Yesterday, I wrote that free agent free safety Dashon Goldson had a strong negotiating position with the Niners because they have no replacement for him. Well, maybe Trent Baalke disagrees.
He gave C.J. Spillman, backup safety and top-special teamer, a three year, $6 million contract (1.8 million guaranteed), according to Matt Maiocco. Spillman is the first 49er Baalke has re-signed this off season.
Considering the Niners will not re-sign last season’s main backup safety, Reggie Smith, I assume Spillman will be the main backup at safety in 2012.
In news which may or may not be related, Dashon Goldson, who wants a multi-year contract, too, parted ways with his agent Drew Rosenhaus, according to Matt Barrows.
Now Goldson doesn’t have so much negotiating leverage with the Niners because they have a free safety alternative. They like Spillman. Just like Carlos Rogers can’t hold the Niners hostage – they like Chris Culliver.
It’s pretty clear that Baalke will never overpay for a player. If Rosenhaus couldn’t get Baalke to offer Goldson what he wanted, no agent can.
Unless Goldson lowers his demands, he’s going to get the one-year contract franchise tag, I’d bet.
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Grant, interesting to hear that Baalke disgrees. Quick question, what is disgrees? : )
Its what happens when a hillbilly doesn’t concur with a point in a discussion.
…lol
I wonder if Goldson was tired of Drew asking for lots of cash and wants to stay with the Niners because he knows this team is going somewhere.
We offered $25/5yr last year, and he had to settle for $2.5/1yr. Is the offer still standing? Forget the agent, he can take that deal and be set for life, and he doesn’t have to give away 4% off the top.
Spillman was a special teams stud last year. They’re paying him Reggie Smith’s money, and they’ll get a young guy in the draft of off the practice squad (Maragos?).
Colin Jones.
sounds right to me…
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@ Grant, i said the Niners had signed Spillman already. I guess it was a premonition. Whatever the timing, it’s great news. Spillman is a MONSTER physical specimen, and since he’s always around the ball, I’d bet he’s got great instincts too. GREAT SIGNING!!!
Shawn: I would bet you’re spot on about Drew Rosenhaus. All I have ever read about that guy has been negative and centered on him going for the jugular – period and/or teaching lessons on how to be a harda#$ (’cause naturally, the more the player gets, the more he gets). Which makes good business sense – but! Imagine he and Dashon had a chat where Dashon said, “Hey man, you work for me. I have told you THIS is where I wanna be – OK. I told you to just go in, get me a “decent” deal, do not try and hold them up – and to get it handled as of yesterday.” Failing that, his butt got canned. Yeaaaa!
franchise tag players are unhappy players. unhappy players are unproductive players. safety is too important a position to have an unhappy player there. sign goldson long term or let him go
Goldson shopped his services last year and settled for a relatively low one-year contract. You could have applied the same rationale last year that, being an unhappy player on a one-year contract, he would be unproductive. Didn’t pan out that way. Players may not like to get the franchise tag, but if he goes in the tank it will only hurt his free agency prospects the following year. How many Niners on one-year contracts played crappy last year?
one yr contract and franchise tag are enormously different. 1 yr contract means thats the best you can do. franchise tag means the team is keeping you away from a large signing bonus and some long range security
Old Coach….still the same rationale though. If they franchise you and you play bad, well, there goes the market for you. Just because a player is butt hurt about getting tagged doesn’t mean they will play worse. It’s in his best interest to play well.
Last year was a strange year with the lockout. If it’s possible there will be more normalcy this year.
Old Coach,
SOME players go into the tank when franchised. As pointed out above, that hurts their stock the next year. So, if they’re smart, franchised players should come in and kick ass, instead of sulking, and I would bet most of them do.
Besides, you could say that Goldson was worse than franchised last year. He turned down $25M for five years, and ended up taking $2M for one year. If he didn’t sulk last year, it’s doubtful he’ll sulk this year if he’s franchised.
I’m not sold on DG as a FS. I believe he’s much better suited for SS. If JH feels that Spillman would be a better FS, then let DG walk, or sign him for another cheap contract.
I like Spillman as a special team player but i dont know if he would be a starting free safety, i didnt see much of him in that situation this past year , so i guess the coaches know more than me.
… its not a “guess”…..they do know more than us…..
Remember when Ray McDonald signed a big deal last year despite being a backup? Now he’s Justin Smith Jr.
Ok, 1st off the coaches always know more than us. I really don’t like when bloggers make those comments. I.e, I trust harbaugh more than u, or the coaches know more than me, etc.. Now, with that said, getting Spillman at this price shows 2 things in my opinion, 1 he’s our best gunner on special teams, and 2 the coaches feel they have a legitimate back up at tha Fs position. Upgrade over reggie smith. Nothing more, nothing less.
Good assessment. Good deal for Spillman. Doesn’t mean anything for the starting safety position. Goldson is still a priority long term sign.
And it highlights how important they feel the special teams are. Field position, field position, field position!
Damn they sure were good at it last year!
Don’t agree on DG, he gives up too many big plays. He would be a better SS than FS.
@DadGum: Agreed with “field position” opinion and to follow that logic, the next signing should be Teddy Ginn Jr.
If CJ plays better than DG, he will start over DG.
You can’t argue that.
And DG is a very hot/very cold performing player.
Yes, Spillman got backup safety money. They must see him in that role or they would not have invested that much.
Excatly…..its obvious they expect Spillman to be the back-up. He’ll maintain his spot on STs for now, but I expect his replacement as ST ace to be either drafted or brought in via free agency.
Why? He was pretty good at it.
I think you’re over analyzing things a bit. Goldson as well as other free agents don’t want to be hung out to dry like they were last season, when they had to accept one year deals as the cash crops for their positions dried up. Players are being proactive to get a deal done to a place they can succeed, rather than be nickel and dimed by an agent to a worst position. Goldson wanted the deal the 9ers offered last season and ended up arse out because of that agent.
Goldson is a top three player on a defense that was the main reason that we were one win away from the superbowl. Get the man signed. Two years ago he played with foot problems the entire season. Last year he played healthy and intimidated opposing receivers all season long. He viciously hit anything that moved. ( Sometimes his own guys ) Put egos aside and sign this guy….
There are no superstars on offense that require big money outside of VD, so spend the money on defense. The bold move would be to bring in Mario Williams baby….
Doesn’t fit Harbaugh’s team over individual. There is no top three, there is only the defense.
I know Bay has no credibility on the blog……as he his a clown…..he his a joke……Gay-Bay showed how hypocritical he his……..
he whines about how Alex is always been singled out as one of the key reasons we won (he is actually ignorant enough to think anyone will suggest Alex was the sole savior of the season) …………according to Bay the Clown if you credit Alex you must be a “smithunist” – “a person who is regarded as supporting Alex Smith or subversive causes.”
but then suggest Goldson is a reason we were one win away…….and spend the york $$$ on him even if it means disregarding talented players on offense….
..I am not going to label you a Goldsonunist or a Goldsoner……just one word a – “hypocrite”…….
Man up and finish that crow…….i am looking forward to the harvest for next season……
@oneniner,
Stop drinking that coolaid ! You must think your a genius. Whiner !
Goldson is a top three player on a defense
I am curious to know who you are leaving out – Justin Smith, Aldon Smith, or Patrick Willis?
I also think that Navorro Bowman and Carlos Rogers had value on par with Goldson.
..also think the reason he had that many picks was cuz of Donte…….
Bay, you spent a week telling DS how stupid he was to want Fitzgerald, then you go and start wanting Williams? Interesting.
Jack
If I said not to put a turned on plugged in electric toaster into a bath tub full of water and he’s in the tub, bay would fight with me telling me that I don’t know what I’m talking about, and to show me up, go ahead and do just that.
DS,
Your such a funny clown with that comparison., you silly goose.
DS, your Larry Fitzgerald love fest was almost as nauseating as your love fest for Alex Smith, and your hate spewing for Michael Crabtree.
As for being argumentative and spiteful you are right up there with the best of them big guy.
You go back, Jack, do it again, wheels turinin’ ’round and ’round
You go back, Jack, do it again
Neal, ???
And your first post was so full of promise Jack.
Too bad it was deleted. Don’t talk to me about hate when you cussed me out for talking about FG. Yeah. Talking about FG deserves being attacked with f-bombs. Know who does that on a routine basis? Bay.
And you are severely mentally challenged if you don’t want LF on your team.
DS,
In defense of Jack and Bay your charming personality can bring out the F-bombs from even the most rational of people.
@Jack,
Classic bash to DS, he is in a severe love triangle between Alex Smith, Larry Fitzgerald and himself. He sings to both of them every night the Frankie Vallie Song.
” My eyes adore you
All my life I will remember
(Though I never laid a hand on you)
How warm and tender we were way back then,
whoa, whoa, baby
Like a million miles away from me you couldn’t see how I adored ya
Oh, the feeling, sad regrets
(So close, so close and yet so far)
I know I won’t ever forget ya,
my childhood friend
(My eyes adored ya)
(Though I never laid a hand on you)
(My eyes adored ya)
(Like a million miles away from me you couldn’t see how I adored ya)
So close, so close and yet so far
DS, silly little buddy. Let’s not start talking about anyone being mentally challenged.
If you can find a post where I said I didn’t want LF I will give you $20. I told you that it wouldn’t happen and to be more realistic.
Jack
Don’t know why you are here except to bother me. You don’t want to talk football. I wrote a football post, if you are here for football, go read it. If you are not here for football, then you’re just bored.
Saw my my name again in your post 49erGirl. Still looking for a girlfriend? Oh, I can only wonder what you are telling others about me. You know so much after all.
Feeling left out Neal?
DS, silly little buddy. Was that before you you went on about Bay in the bathtub? Where is it I would like to read it?
DS – Still tracking my posts, girlfriend? You know how much I like that.
Let me return the favor – you’ve made 6 posts on this thread so far, only one of which was about football. The rest were all to throw stones at Bay, Jack , Neal and me. Please spare us your holier-than-thou commentary about limiting the conversation to football when clearly you don’t abide by your own rules.
Neal,
You pull up some great and relevant lyrics. Funny stuff
Jack
You can’t keep up with your own BS, it has gotten too deep for even you.
How am I a little buddy if I am Norm from Cheers? Wasn’t he the fat tub of lard guy? How was he little? You imagine me as Norm, fine. But how is Norm little.
And you asked a question. I answered it. I considered the thread over with.
P.S. The point of my reply to you is that bay will fight me for no purpose/goal than to fight me. I just added a little flavor to it. Even a 3rd grader uses their imagination in conversations. Maybe you are pre-K?
DS, c’mon little buddy. I haven’t called you a name in a while but you can’t help yourself I guess. If you are going to do it at least use something original, I used that one on you last week.
Like I told you already, I said you would be Norm only for the simple fact that when you post on here people respond, just like people would respond to Norm when he walks in.
@DS,
Come on little buddy. Yes that is it. Your not Norm, you are Gilligan.
Dang Bayareafan. You must really be stomping some toes to make grown men who know you only by an avatar come to a blog with so much venom in their remarks. How do opinions over millionaire ball players turn so personal.
You’ve never read bay’s posts then.
@parkay/butter
Good question – I guess some people have anger issues
Bay,
As right as you were about Baalke yesterday, is how wrong you are about Goldson today.
Here’s a list of 49ers defensive players better than Goldson:
Willis
Justin Smith
Aldon Smith
Bowman
McDonald
Rogers
And I feel you could easily argue that Brooks, Brown, Sopaoga and Whitner are just as good as Goldson.
Dashon Goldson’s poor play cost the 49ers the Cardinal game in AZ [yes, sorry Bay, he played worse than Smith in that game] and you can make an argument that he cost the 49ers the championship game. He knocked two team mates off of sure INT’s, and on one of those plays, knocked Brown out of the game. Setting the missed INT’s aside, Brown’s replacement, Brock, was burned for the go ahead TD, to Manningham.
Don’t get me wrong, DG is a very good player. It’s just that he happens to play for one of the best, if not the best, defense in the NFL. He’s just not a key, must have guy for this defense.
On top of that, he’s out of postition at FS. He doesn’t have FS speed or deep coverage ability. He simply gives up way too many big plays. He should be a SS,not a FS.
Surely you can’t be serious
I am serious. And quit calling me Shirley.
Very fair eval of DG exgolfer.
I would add that DW is better than DG. DW was pretty decent in 2010. DG was horrible in 2010. Both were better in 2011.
DG definitely does some things well, but I blamed DG a great deal for the AZ loss, and those plays in the title game did prevent 2 Int’s and an injury to our best CB of that game. And NY did get their only points of the 2nd half against TB replacement.
If you ignore that, then you also are likely to ignore TB 4th quarter Int’s in the title game and Super Bowl as a big cause for nearly losing the title game and losing the Super Bowl.
Yes, Jack, I’m serious. If DG is as good a FS as you claim he is, why didn’t he get an offer last year? And I don’t mean a huge offer, but ANY offer. Remember, he ended up taking $2M from the 49ers. That’s chump change for a great FS. Surely, if DG is so good, some needy team would’ve scooped him up for $3M, or more. Right?
Look, it’s not like I’m saying he’s garbage. I’m just saying he’s merely very good, and definitely not great.
Thanks, DS.
@msc
You got the quote wrong.
DS,
I have to agree with you on Whitner. I was trying to give DG the benefit of the doubt. I think Whitner is more important to the team than DG.
exgolfer and DS, you two keep saying how Whitner has better ball skills than Goldson. You are joking about this right?
If AS hadn’t driven the team back to win the goat of the NO game would have been Whitner for his complete whiff on Graham down the seem on the TD, not to mention his whiff on the Sproles TD the series before.
There were a few times where Dontae completly miss times his jump on balls and they end up being big plays.
If you don’t like DG because you think he is over paid or because he held out that’s one thing, but you guys are off the mark a bit on this one.
I never wrote that DW has better ball skills than DG. And I don’t think ex did either.
And PW was the one responsible for covering Graham. He said so during the post game interview. He said he would have been the goat.
And it was DG who whiffed on Sproles.
Did you watch the game, or are you rewriting history as you want it to have happened? Not what actually happened.
You are the only one saying that. Ball skils are not the only thing about being a good safety. Angles, tackling skills, knowing your job, those matter a lot.
Little Buddy, Whitner went to the pick instead of the hit and Graham ran right by him. If I misspoke on the Sproles play my bad, there are plenty of other plays from throughout the year where I can point to DW making the same types of mistakes that you are blaming Goldson for.
It’s ok. Now that most others have disagreed with you on your MC hate you are moving on to DG now.
You never answered my question. Have you ever played organized football?
yes we played organized football dont you remember jack it was neal you bayarea myself and jordan23 we played no clothes madden contest at msclemons house winner got to have 7 min in heaven with 49ergirl but when bayrea won he was insecure 9ergirl was hung bigger then he so he let neal go at it with my permission of course but i will give it to bay he has madden skills although he always pick Greenbay
Uh, yeah, Jack, you’d have a point, except I never actually said Whitner has better ball skills than Goldson.
So who’s a bit off here?
ex your statement here is what I am speaking of when I say ball skills, “On top of that, he’s out of postition at FS. He doesn’t have FS speed or deep coverage ability. He simply gives up way too many big plays.”.
To say that Goldson gave up more big plays than Whitner is just erroneous and based on personal judgement instead of fact.
ex, I will ask you the same thing that I asked DS, have you ever played organized football?
Jack we all have seen your video about your ball skills (nice wrap around move) and we all know you played organized football just for the Showers
No, I never played organized football, but what does that have to do with anything?
Jack is collecting used jocks he likes to smell them when he engages in autoerotic behavior
exgolfer says, “No, I never played organized football, but what does that have to do with anything?”
Ex, it helps me understand where your comments are coming from and has to do with a couple of things
1) only someone who never played would make a comment about how Goldson should have been able to hold up on those collision plays, and
2) it will help me know how to discuss football with you. I need to remind myself that not everyone on here understands the game as much as me, and that getting into actual football skill discussion with some of you is a project in futility.
Little boy Jack
Yeeah. Think you know more than PW on whose job it was to cover Graham. PW said he felt so releived when AS lead that victory because it was all on him (not DG/DW) to have Graham.
So you admit not knowing more than JH/TB, but to knowing more than PW on whose job it was to cover Graham?
I have never heard any Smith fan flat out deny AS was ever at fault for something where he flat out said it was his fault.
Are you a “Willther”?
If you ever did play football, it wasn’t for very long.
DS, it is posts like that which show how clueless you can be.
“Think you know more than PW on whose job it was to cover Graham. PW said he felt so releived when AS lead that victory because it was all on him (not DG/DW) to have Graham.”. Never said I know more than Willis, but if you are basing your perceptions off what you hear in a press conference it is no wonder you are off base so much. Willis is a team leader who will take responsibility instead of throwing someone else under the bus. On the play in question it was PW’s job to carry the TE from underneath to the safety help over the top, and he did that. Unfortunately Whitner got caught between going for the pick, and blowing up the receiver and ended up doing neither.
“Are you a “Willther”?”. This comment makes about as much sense as a monkey f’ing a football. To be a Wilther wouldn’t I need to be supporting him like the so called Smithers do AS?
“If you ever did play football, it wasn’t for very long.”. Not that it matters here, but I played for 9 years, QB in high school and then FS in college. After I was done playing I went into coaching where I spent 5 years in high school, 3 as a varsity head coach going to the CCS playoffs in 2 of those 3 seasons. I left that to work as a defensive coordinator at a Junior College in Santa Clara County, and left that position when family time became too important. In fact I both played for and coached in the HS ranks against Coach Lavorato, you know the guy who taught the basics of the Fly sweep to Coach Harbaugh and his staff.
So when I comes to knowledge of football I will put my knowledge up against anyone on this board.
@Hammer
Care to share what org. football you had played?
If you had mentioned it before, I missed it.
What’s the highest level and what positions?
Just for a point of reference. I will take your words for it.
Albert, click on your post and read the one above it. It is all laid out there. If you need me to repost it for you let me know. It is all true.
Little boy Jack
Losing your cool a bit now? Bound to happen when you keep jumping candlesticks. Likely to get burned.
PW said it oh great one. You have a problem with it, take it up with him. How long do you think you’ll last in a fight then?
Watch and learn. Don’t discredit what the player says. No mention of DW was ever made by anybody but you on that play. PW is not hanging his head on the sidelines afterwards either. Get a clue. Even ones standing in front of you escape your observation. PW said it. End of story.
Come to think of it, you really are finding ways to hate a guy who all other exprts not named Jack have said DW really solidified things back there. You say I’m a hater of MC. Look at your posts of DW as a reference guide of hating a Pro Bowl safety.
DS, the Pro Bowl safety from the 49ers in 2012 was Dashon Goldson.
“Look at your posts of DW as a reference guide of hating a Pro Bowl safety.”. Guess that would make you the pro bowl hater. Don’t let actual facts get in the way of your agenda DS.
@Hammer
Sorry.
I was jumping between several websites for news..spring training, drafts. etc. and wasn’t paying full attention.
Albert, spring training? Giants or A’s?
@Hammer
Giants FTW
Albert, not to go all Stan here, but what exciting is happening with the Giants? All players just reported a few days ago…
Little boy Jack
PW said it. You can’t accept it.
Bubba Paris played NFL football. After the first game of the season, he bashed the hell out of AS. Following the Philly game, he sat their looking like a fool. And looked stupid the rest of the year when talking about AS.
So, your point of having played does not matter at all. Your experience is nothing next to his. And he was VERY wrong.
DS: aka Pro Bowler hater,
This conversation is the same as the one we had about Crabtree. It is obvious that you don’t like Goldson, you have your opinion on him, I have mine.
If you go back and watch the play in question you will see Whitner not do his job by completely missing Graham.
For a person who continually stressed the TEAM concept and winning to support your praise for Alex Smith, you sure seem quick to throw others under the bus to support your views. I only mention the flaws in whitner’s game because you and a few others say he is better than Goldson.
Well, the players and in the NFL disagree with your assessment because they voted in Goldson, not Whitner.
As for the experience not mattering, that’s what I said too, because it is a waste of time trying to talk actual football strategies and such with folks who have no idea what you are talking about.
DS, since you are so caught up in what commentators have to say I just rewatched the Graham TD again, and both Johnston and Goose say that Whitner should have made the tackle.
It is too bad you don’t really grasp football, because that was a very basic nickle defense in which PW is to wall off the inside, then carry (trail) under the TE so the ball has to be thrown over him (which it was) and the safety makes the play deep (he didn’t).
Oh well, like you said Goldson played better with Whitner than without, and I hope we can keep this very good pair of safeties together.
K sera sera…
I don’t care what any announcer says. Who said it was DW duty to make that tackle? Was is a first ballot HOF Safety?
If not, then that person really does not have any more say or knowledge than most other people. He is just spouting his opinion. Not his own experience which is what Troy Aikman did in the Giants game in his repeated statements that the Niners WR’s were not getting open.
Besides, which direction was PW in relation to Graham? He was behind him. He got outran by Graham on this play and it cost the team a TD. If you are denying that fact, then you are a Willither and you also have a brain disorder. Because PW said it was his guy in the post game press conference.
That is what I told you to watch. The announcers don’t know who is supposed to have who. There are fewer than 50 peoople in the universe who know this. And those are the Niner coaches and players.
An announcer giving his opinion does not outweigh the player covering the guy from the start of the play admitting that he messed up.
Can you deal with the fact that our best player, PW messed up? Can you accept that? Or do you look to assign blame to somebody else?
PW said it. He knows. You don’t. The announcers calling the game don’t.
As opposed to Aikman calling the game. There is no doubt to a HOF QB if the WR’s are getting open. That is a black and white issue. Who was supposed to cover who at a particular moment on defense is not quite so black and white, and has a lot more gray. But, I can’t discuss gray with you, because you only see black and white, so it makes explaining the world difficult for others to help you out.
And, PW said it. I didn’t. The announcers didn’t.
And you had all that football experience and talking with the media, yet your first football post to me ended up being deleted because you are a wuss who had to cuss and not explain his opinions in a more civilized way.
Little boy Jack
You do know that in the grown up world of football, teams will change personnel from one year to the next, don’t you?
And often times there are some players who were thought to be safe in their jobs who lose them.
This year will be no different. And, the only one hating anybody is you. I didn’t say I hated DG. I said the truth. DG didn’t want to come back last year. He didn’t get a single offer from any other team. And came back here and had his best year. He has significant holes in his game, and a lot of those holes were filled up when DW took over the calls in the secondary and solidified the group.
You call that hating. You have a problem.
DS, it was Daryl Johnston and Tony Siragusa. They have 4 Super Bowl wins between them, but whatever.
This is the type of argument that is unavoidable when trying to have a football conversation with a football neophyte.
You’ve made your point, you hate Goldson but love Whitner. Oh well, as you say haters never change and you are proving that.
Honestly Jack, quit pointing out facts to DS. You know he hates that.
You need to embrace your feelings. That’s what matters in football.
Wow Little boy Jack!!
You are so awesome. That was very insightful. Only from a football guru as yourself could I have learned that.
So, it’s like Bubba Paris knocking AS big time after the first game of the season and looking like a moron the rest of the year as AS disproved everything he said about AS.
You see, Bubba Paris is a OL. And he won a few Super Bowls himself. And he said a bunch of stupid stuff, anyway. And he said things about a QB. A position, he does not know anywhere near as well. Then you have a QB talking about a QB. Who is more reliable on evaluating the QB? The OL or the QB? (P.S. The best QB of all time JM really liked what AS could do, and another good QB, Terry Bradshaw who won 4 Super Bowls has supported AS the whole time. And another QB Trent Dilfer who also won a Super Bowl really likes AS. And another QB who was pretty good Rich Gannon thought AS should be the comeback player of the year so he likes him. And another QB Kurt Warner spoke highly of AS as well.
But, no. You want to get your expert QB advice from players who did not play the position. Just like you want to get your Safety advice from players who didn’t play safety.
And, a DL (Tony S.) who can’t run 5 yards and a FB don’t have as much say about who covers who as a HOF 3 time Super Bowl winner (yeah, with your announcer boy) does about knowing which WR’s are open. More than a fan. More than a DC of a JC team.
When you go to a cardiologist, do you listen to their advice about brain chemistry over that of a neurologist?
Same thing here. The cardiologist may know a lot about the heart, but does not know anything next to the neurologist in regards to how neurons work and brain chemistry.
DS, just go watch the play. You can find it on nfl.com.
Go 49ers!!!
Don’t need to see the play.
Watch the Post game press conference. PW talking about the game. I recorded the game, post game conference, weekly conference, everything.
You think you know more about it than he does?
msc
The fact that PW said it, you can’t handle that either can you?
Ignore the facts. Then re-write history. I’m sure you have lots of experience doing that.
DS, aka Pro Bowl Hater,
I surrender. I never realized that trying to have a football discussion with someone could be so difficult.
I guess I am wrong in saying that Whitner should have made the tackle on Graham. I guess I am wrong to point out how you called Whitner the Pro Bowler when it was actually Goldson. I guess I was wrong to think that I could actually try to explain the defense they were playing in that situation so you would understand what was going on. I guess I was wrong saying that Willis was blaming himself because he is a team leader and doesn’t want to throw a teammate under the bus, I guess I was wrong to say that Goldson benefitted from having Whitner as a partner in the secondary, I guess I was wrong to point out some of Whitner’s bad plays (yes, I know Goldson had some too), I guess I was wrong to say I support AS and look forward to seeing what if he can show more improvement in 2012, I guess I was wrong to think you could discuss the 49ers without having to reference AS, I guess I was wrong (as I pointed out when I said it) to tell you my football experience because you would throw it back, I guess I was wrong.
So run along now and watch your press conferences to get your knowledge while totally disregarding the actual PLAYS ON THE FIELD.
Jack AKA world is flat believer
PW said it.
You can’t admit it.
Don’t know why. But then I don’t know why you cussed me out in your first post either. So I don’t get A-hole logic that well. You definitely do.
And, yes. I will get my football knowledge and acts from the guys who actually played in the game and were in the game. Rather than guys who were not involved in the game. It’s a weakness of mine.
You will continue to get your facts from ex-jocks and you will completely dismiss the words of our defensive leader who was covering the guy.
Yeah. You sound like a smart/loyal fan. Though I don’t know who you are loyal too, or what you are smart in.
Jack,
1) I never said Goldson should’ve held up on “those collision plays”. You incorrectly inferred that was my position. My feeling about those plays is that they indicate that, at times, he plays in a somewhat undisiplined manner. Remember, I’ve never said he’s not good. He’s very good, but, as a FS, he’s not irreplaceable. I happen to feel he would be an fantastic SS.
2) Not having played football doesn’t mean a person can’t correctly analyze what’s going in a football game. Just as having played doesn’t mean a person is going to correctly analyze every play, either. How many times have you heard Jim Mora completely miss what’s going on in a game? He was a NFL head coach, for Christ’s sake. See, being “on the inside” doesn’t gaurantee that you are “in the know”.
Just curious, what are your credentials, since you brought it up? Where, and what level, did you play, how long, did you start, did you coach, etc.
exgolfer, here are my credentials,
Jack Hammer says:
February 25, 2012 at 8:50 am
“Not that it matters here, but I played for 9 years, QB in high school and then FS in college. After I was done playing I went into coaching where I spent 5 years in high school, 3 as a varsity head coach going to the CCS playoffs in 2 of those 3 seasons. I left that to work as a defensive coordinator at a Junior College in Santa Clara County, and left that position when family time became too important. In fact I both played for and coached in the HS ranks against Coach Lavorato, you know the guy who taught the basics of the Fly sweep to Coach Harbaugh and his staff.”
As for our discussion, it appears that I misread your comments and then got off track while responding to both you and DS. I thought you were echoing DS that we should move him out. You actually are correct that Goldson plays the position like a strong safety, that is part of what makes him so good. Whitner is much the same way in that he is able cover and hit as well.
In the 49ers (and most NFL teams) scheme the Safeties are interchangeable anyway depending on the initial call from the sidelines, and then what the offensive alignment
Holy crap, I should’ve read the whole thread before responding. The conversation jumped the tracks and went completely out of control, what a surprise.
Sorry to bring the topic back to football. As you were.
I will guess that ever since “Show me the money” hit big..every pro athlete thinks a agent should be a mix of therapist,butler,and signing every contract far beyond the talent. Zito and Rowans and Russell’s just cement that thinking..I guess.
LOWELLS BLOG IS OPEN AGAIN!!! DON’T LET THE DOOR HIT YOU, YOU CRAZY GEEZER
Your younger and a full fool. Hey-you havent noticed that your never missed?..even your other personalitys hate you.
Stan. Relax. It was a joke. Everyone everywhere loves you because you’re so amazingly prescient!
Unfortunately, Stan’s also present.
…good sign…..not sure about Goldson low negotiating leverage you write about………Am sure there is a team that could give him the big $$$…..
Goldson is not top notch like Polomalu or Reed…..but he is a top notch 49er Safety…………..we need him for 1 more year……Franchise himmmmmmm!!!
…..2013 – USC T.J. McDonald the son of former San Francisco 49er Tim McDonald could be available…..
mcdonald should go very high in the draft. the 9ers hopefully will be picking between 25 and 32 i think mcdonald will be long gone
…possibly……..would be sweet if he replaces Goldson nxt yr……..
….why not just trade the 30th pick for a next yr 1st rd pick……….i really don’t see the value in the 30th pick….
……the rookie WR we need in terms of cost and productivity is in the 2-5 round…
…..sign our FA cuz stability is needed right now…..and get rookies we can develop……
we have 2 yrs to maximize the potential of the 2011 roster…….
Crying out loud stop whining ! lol
i think once the draft reaches pick #29 balke might look to move back. its certainly what new england would do and i think our front office is becoming NE west
Does anyone think that signing a pro-bowl long snapper to push Jennings is meant as a message from Coach/GM? Or maybe they are going to turn him into a running back.
I think they’re bringing in competition because they want competition for every position. And, they may be concerned that Brian will retire in a few years and/or getting a contingency plan in place in case he gets injured. Doesn’t hurt to have another long snapper on the practice squad or familiar with the team.
I don’t think they’ll actually replace Jennings – they’re just doing their due dilligence.
Jennings isn’t getting any younger, they just want to have his replacement identified when he finally retires [to a very fruitful broadcasting career, I bet].
For all we know, Jennings may have already told them he’s retiring. Or, there could be a physical reason he can’t be counted on as he was in the past.
I think this blog would be a lot more civil and fun if we all decided to WATCH what Baalke is doing rather than playing GM ourselves.
drs, how would that be fun? We all know they aren’t paying attention to us anyway. If you can’t play couch GM in the offseason the blog would be very stale don’t you think?
The problem with Jennings is that he can’t hold down the middle. You have a wideout at long snapper. He is your weak link. Look where the few blocked field goals were exploited. Look howany times teams tried to use leverage right over Jennings and JH found himself begging for a flag. We needles bulk at long snapper. The guy they just signed was with Seely in cleveland. Kenning might be in trouble. Although this new guy did have 2 bad snaps that cost the browns a game. Jennings was perfect last year. Hence, pro bowl alternate.
Welcome back 23j. Try not to post drunk next time. Your comments are so mumbled up that that one “needles” to read it 5x to figure out what the heck you are saying.
As for Jennings being the weak link, uh…ok, I guess he was so weak they asked him to play with the BEST IN THE PRO BOWL.
You and DS are brothers in arms when it comes to hating on Pro Bowlers.
Jack,
Your buddy Stan not only think the 49ers listen to him, he thinks Jim Harbaugh quotes him. Someone should throw a net over that guy. I’m referring to Stan, not Jim Harbaugh.
Jack,
I see you’re the new azzhole on the blog. Welcome. Try watching the games before you 2nd guess anyone here. I see you like to chase people and shoot insults. You’re a little Bioch with far too much time on his hands these days. Try to get lucky and find a husband. At least we have a new clown troll to play with here.
Jordo, I think that before you tell anyone on this blog to watch the games that you should try that first. Besides your hilariously stupid, onesided takes on AS you have nothing else to bring to the table.
Calling a Pro Bowl long snapper the weak link of arguably the best special teams unit was too hilarious to pass up.
Whatcha drinking today a 40 ounce Colt45?
…..hmm …. alshon jeffery could be good value at 30……
I respectfully disagree :) Sure, he weighed in at 215 today, but do you want to have to baby sit his weight every year? Plus he’s not a burner. I’d much rather have Reuben Randle or Stephen Hill over him. If we don’t draft a WR at 30, there are many good ones to be had over the next few rounds.
..not gonna argue with that…..
I’m starting to think they won’t go wide receiver at 30. There will be better value at other positions when the 49ers pick. They can get their wide receiver at 2 or 3. Picking a wide out at 30 is reaching.
I’m with you, Crayons [who ever thought they'd ever write that?]. Randle in the first round, or wait until later for a WR. I like Fleener, too. I really like Delanie Walker, but he drops too many passes. I would love to see Fleener paired with VD at TE. Or Fleener with VD and DW. Three TE’s in the huddle with one back and Crabtree. If the defense subs in to stop the run, the 49ers split VD and Fleener out wide as WR’s, along with Crabtree. If the defense stays in a coverage package, the 49ers run power.
a value trap….separation issues
3rd round WR georgia tech stephan hill 6’4″ 215 blocks and can get deep
M. Sanu at 30? had 115 receptions, 6’2, 220+, may run 4.5… basically a slightly bigger Morgan, with huge 2011 production. Too bad Floyd will be gone by then
Sanu may be a solid pick at 30. Let’s see how he does at the combine, however. Pre-combine CBS Sports rankings had him in the top 5, he’s explosive off the line and is a threat to beat the defender over the top. His best attribute may be his natural receiving skills. The guy is very fluid.
http://www.cbssports.com/nfl/draft/players/1664646/mohamed-sanu
Belichick has inside track on Sanu, or so Stan told me…
I’ve seen reports that Sanu struggles to get separation and that he’s likely to run around 4.6 in the 40. It will be interesting to see how it plays out.
yep another value trap
Awesome news Grant!
I was wondering what position Spillman actually plays on defense and thought he would be a wonderful safety if he gets to learn his assignment, read offenses, holds onto Interceptions.
The guy is super fast, excellent open field tackler. 2 things that DG either can’t be (fast), or has never been (excellent open field tackler).
DG needs DW. With DW, he could just attack the ball which he is generally very good at doing. If DG leaves, he won’t have DW, and likely becomes the 2010 DG, not the 2011 DG. Other teams looking for a safety will have to keep this in mind and DG won’t get the pay he wants.
If Spillman can catch the ball, and the other stuff above, he will be a much better safety than DG.
We need DG back. He puts fear in the hearts of opposing receivers like no 49ers DB since Lott. We went 14-4 with him back there, and don’t beat New Orleans without him. Don’t think I remember anyone complaining about his skills after that int and near TD return.
Of course he needs DW. It is a TEAM game! He needs DW just like Aldon Smith needs Justin Smith, PW needs NB, AS needs MC, and so on.
Jack,
Please tell me you don’t think DG is in RL’s league. DG is a SS, masquerading as a FS [he gives up too many big plays]. He’s a very good player, but can be replaced.
ex golfer, never compared him to Ronnie Lott. Said we haven’t had someone who put fear in receivers like him and Whitner since Lott was here.
Tim McDonald, Chet Brooks come to mind.
Merton Hanks was a good safety, though not a guy to scare WR’s.
Lewis was a guy to put some fear into WR’s.
DG did it for 1 year. Lewis, McDonald did it for a decade or more.
Jack,
Glad to hear that you don’t see DG being in the same league as RL.
My problem with Goldson is what you seem to value so much. He wants to blow receivers up real good all of the time, and, as a result, has given up some huge YAC plays [in the AZ loss, he was involved in three plays over 50 yards, two of which went for TD's and the other set up a TD - not very good]. Also, and it can’t be denied, in the championship game he knocked Rogers and Brown off of sure INT’s. Not only that, but he knocked Brown out of the game. He’s too out of control for my tastes. That’s why I love Whitner so much. He hits like a truck, but he still plays under control.
DS, mmmm ok with McDonald, but Brooks was a flash in the pan guy. Who is Lewis?
ex, c’mon, that short attention span will cost you every time. Playing under control huh, how about the great play Whitner made on Graham at the end of the NO game, or that great tackle on Sproles the play before that, or the TD he gave up because he jumped too soon.
Oh yeah, don’t forget that blown coverage in OT against the Cowboys when DW bit on the play fake instead of doing his job costing the 49ers that game
C’mon man, you did remember those right? Get your facts together.
UH, Jack…we went 14-4 with Rachel on the team too.
I agree with you on DG, but the 14-4 argument is silly.
drs, I realize that the 14-4 thing is weak. I was responding to DS, and he is very fond of throwing that stat around in defense of AS so I figured I would give it back once.
I am also fond of AS “clutch” in Detroit. And almost 4:1 TD:INT ratio. And 6 comeback wins. 1 in the playoffs, and 4 on the road. And AS throwing for 3 TD/1TD running and 0 Int (not many QB’s have ever done that in the playoffs). And I like 6TD, 0 Int in the playoffs. And I like AS being tough in the pocket. And I like AS staying in a place to show he can be good.
And if you don’t like any of those things, and you don’t like 14-4, I have a term for you. But you know what term that is.
Stop posting, you don’t know anything about football. Anybody that knows football knows that Goldson is an excellent safety and I bet the niners sign him. You rip a real nfl player like Goldson and praise an inaccurate bum qb like smith who can’t convert 3rd downs and put up 9 straight games of less than 200 yards passing, missing kyle williams, crabtree and delanie for td’s in the nfc championship. Crabtree is a baller, as soon as he gets another qb aside from your sorry l oser boyfriend alice smith he will be at 1000 yds on the season and multiple tds. Who will be the next wr or o lineman that will be a scapegoat for alice smiths lack of skill.
Glad your football IQ doesn’t trump Baalke’s or Harbaugh’s. The Niners probably would’ve been lucky to be 3-13 with you in charge. Such hate and anger. LOL
Jack
Read my posts! I told you that DG had a good game against NO. I said that all by my lonesome.
You are fighting somebody who said the same thing you are. Why?
DS, little buddy, no need to yell. You already responded to that comment. Get a grip.
It is too bad that folks around here don’t like players that hustle and make plays. Blaming him for the loss to NY is total bull$h!t. Do you really think he was trying to hurt Brown? He was making a play for the ball and they ran into each other. My word some of you must have very limited experience playing organized football.
If he doesn’t come back, I am sure Baalke and Harbaugh have a plan, but I would sure like him back.
I never said DG took TB out on purpose. Don’t be stupid. That same line of thinking would lead one to think KW screwed up on purpose.
Just pointing out that DG had a choice. He could have chosen not to go after the Int in both cases. He was actually not supposed to go for the ball on the hit to TB. He needs to recognize that he needs to let TB get that one. You seem to be saying that DG is not to blame at all in either the AZ or NY game. TB could not see DG. DG could see TB.
And if you don’t hear well, then people will shout at you. Just a fact.
@Get a better name
Multiple = more than 1
MC has had multiple TD’s every year with AS as his only QB.
And if MC started the year healthy, he would have gotten nearly 1000 yards or so.
So, you’re point of the post is that you lack in basic language skills and you are a hater.
On both points, Good Job!
DS, little buddy, why do you need to keep throwing around names?
Why would DG know where TB is on that play? He did exactly what you are taught to do as a FS. You stay deep, read the eyes of the QB, and when his none throwing hand comes off the ball you break for it and make the play. He did all of those things and sometimes things like that happen. (very basic FS play, there is a lot more that goes into it based on the offensive set, and such but this isn’t the place for a clinic).
I know from previous posts that you were the LF of your street football games back when. Have you ever played organized football?
DG was playing with his head looking at the QB and the play in front of him in both cases, and was behind the WR/CB. So, he should have seen them. Whether he actualy did or not. He needs to see them, and in both cases failed. The 2nd time it cost his team it’s starting CB.
And names…little buddy? I call you by your name only. I didn’t tell you to call me “little buddy”. You’re doing it because you’re being a jerk. You have no logical reason to do it. Come on now. You keep acting like you are in 3rd grade, and I’ll call you out on it. Stop acting like a little boy, and I’ll stop treating you as one. Adults don’t call other adults “little buddy” unless they have a relationdhip with them. We don’t have one.
>>Crabtree is a baller, as soon as he gets another qb aside from your sorry l oser boyfriend alice smith.
If you know anything that JH has said and done this past season and offseason thats not going to happen in the near future on this team. So you are talking crabtree being traded. Then you can make dimwitted postings on the team blog he’s playing for.
Although its true about the hypocritical
behavior on this blog. Don’t see why you have to call the man out of his name. You better get use to the blame of a player losing a game and smith not being one of those players. Like I’ve stated. To some Alex smith needs the whole universe and stars aligned perfectly for him to succeed. Now I don’t know if these same fans are happy with what they saw last year out of our qb, or they think he needs to improve more. For some reason that question always gets ignored. It’s like when your sick and you got that first swallow of NyQuil in your mouth… Knowing its gotta be swallowed but you stall and stall and stall…… That question is just hard for them to swallow. Once they do! It will all be better! But c’mon maaaan. Leave the Alice name out of it. It’s childish.
Silly me.
DG didn’t have a nibble last year in FA. He signed for a lot less than he was initially offered. Would TP have been picked up if he entered the FA market? DG had a good year. He was good in NO,and his2 hits prevented 2 int’s and knocked out our best CB in that game. His replacement gave up a 3rd and 15 TD pass which accounted for the Giants only 2nd half points. Keep your judgement of players in perspective.
I hope we never go fishing together. We’d starve.
And Jack, JS, PW were all fine and dandy before DW came along. Thanks for reminding me it is a team game. I forgot individual players can actually be considered good.
By the way, you never apologized for your cussing post. So, don’t act like you are better than me. You want to cool things down between us…you need to apologize.
DS, little buddy, please slow yourself down. Are you now blaming DG’s aggressiveness for the 49ers losing to the Giants?
As for your comment about PW, and JS being fine before DW came…uh I never said that DW made them better, only that those around them helped maked them successful. Read the post, and understand it before making assertions.
As for apologizing to you, I will say the same thing to you that Harbaugh told the reporters after the Detroit game, apologies show weakness.
Besides, I don’t care if things are cool with us.
I’m stating facts Jack.
What DG did, where did I lie?
And telling somebody you don’t want to say “sorry” because it shows weakness shows me how you live your life. Not how JH runs his non-football life.
And if you don’t care if things are cool between us, that sounds like a haters perspective to me.
DS, little buddy, never said you lied. I asked if you are now going to blame DS for the loss to the Giants.
How am I not keeping my judgement of players in perspective? I simply stated that without his excellent play all year, and the big plays he made against NO they don’t win that game. The play he made on the interception was nothing short of a perfect read and execution.
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DJ Neal, pure genius!
lol I was not sure if I should of played the entire somg or just a verse but since not much is going on, went all of the way.
Just like said to Harry, let it flow man, let it flow.
Ha ha ha great song. Could have just posted a link for the video and saved me a thumb workout. Lol
I noticed Spillman got in on some packages inside our own 20 yd line as a Safety this past year. My impression though was that Spillman, Colin Jones & Whitner are more SS types. Reggie was more FS/cover type and Goldson good either way. Again that’s my impression. Maybe Fangio really does see the two safety positions as interchangeable, and has faith in the young guys’ coverage skill/potential. I guess they’ll let Reggie shop around.
They already told R Smith he can look elsewhere. If DG wants to make it about money they are in position to let him walk. I really would rather see him stay though.
Works for me.
He’s better than his last contract for 2011, but nowhere near as good as TP type money.
Spillman made that great tackle in Baltimore that prevented the Ravens from getting the 1st rushing TD against our D.
He sure did, and some very good plays on special teams too. We’re you trying to make a point or just let us know he made a tackle?
Just bringinng up a particular play Jack.
And I wrote a post to Grant yesterday where I asked Grant about CJ Spillman not being on his top 5 FA Niner players to resign. So, you know I like the guy a lot.
So, I guess I must have a growing love fest thing now according to your view of me. AS, LF, and now CJ Spillman. Better be an emperor size mattress. Are you mad that I’m not including you?
Or maybe I have players who I really like on the team I like for a variety of reasons. But you just don’t get that. So it makes conversations with you hard.
I like Goldson’s hitting and play-making but he’s a liability in coverage (8 TDs allowed in 2011). If he agrees to a 5 yr/$25 million contract similar to last year’s offer then I’d love to see him back. If he wants to try for Troy Polomalu money then vaya con dios mi amigo. I am not a big fan of the franchise tag.
Whitner was a surprise to me in coverage – everyone in Buffalo said he was a big hitter who couldn’t cover. Sort of like Goldson. He seemed to do okay in coverage though.
msc, I agree with you on the TP thing, but if they tag him for 6.2m I am cool with it. I don’t quite get everyone being against the tag.
I guess it is one of those things where if you have to force someone to stay then let them go and bring in someone who does. Different perspectives.
@Jack I don’t like the tag for philosophical reasons. I don’t think it affects performance much. I just dislike it for personal reasons.
msc, what are those personal reasons?
The franchise tag just seems like a move made by teams that didn’t plan ahead to snatch freedom from a player who earned free agency. If the guy isn’t good enough to pay then why give him top 5 money for one year?
My dislike probably isn’t rational – it’s just one of those things about the NFL that bugs me.
msc, what you say makes total sense. If you look at the teams who actually use the tag, it doesn’t seem to pan out for them any way.
I would prefer to see DG stay, but if he thinks it would be best to move on so be it. After the way these guys proved that they could put a team together last year I am a believer.
Many times it pans out very well for both players and teams, and doesn’t reflect a lack of planning on the part of the team in question.
For instance, two years ago, the Eagle tagged Vick. After Vick being tagged, but before the season started, the Eagles signed Vick to a $100M, long term deal. It seems like it worked out well for both player and team, in that particular case.
If anything, teams plan in advance to use the franchise tag on certain players. Players they may need badly for one more year while their ultimate replacement is being groomed. Also, for players who they want to sign long term, but can’t come to terms with. A lot of times, a long term deal follows shortly after a player is tagged.
Brother … I see Spillman as a big-hitting speedster with great instincts. He’s got great upside.
DS, little buddy, I am quite fine being left off your list.
Signing Spillman is a good step, no disagreement there. Moving on…
No Valentine’s Day card for you. One year.
Baalke gives a great interview on NBC bay area sports on the importance of the locker room. He seems to place this paramount in his function as GM.
Does Mr. Baalke remind you of any previous GM’s as it pertains to his philosophical approach to conducting his business?
Baalke has a very Steelers’ approach in my eyes. Which is sort of odd considering his Redskins’ background.
He’s from Parcell’s tree, isn’t he?
In the spirit of the combine I decided to go see if my 40 time is still close to what it was back in the day…
My 40 time is pretty bad. Usually I run the first 20 and then I stop for a beer before doing the final 20.
Depending on the quality of the beer my 40 time ranges from 15 minutes to 4 hours.
You only have one beer?
Good point Nick. A 20 can be pretty tough. Two, maybe even three beers are sometimes necessary.
msclemons BMI 43 lol hahahaha
49ergirls BMI 41 lol hahahaha
bayareas BMI 39 lol hahahaha
Neals Moobs Double D
Clemons is pure genius when he’s not yapping about He Who Shall Not Be Names!
I just wanted to say Neal and I have been wanting a third we were hoping msclemons or 49ergirl would share their large endowment with us but they are intimidated by Neals large Moobs
Come on Grant start deleting some of this nonsense.
@andrew we can bleach yours also just tell us howc much you hate A.Smith and love aaron Rodgers or dreamy dree Bay and I wear aaron mask when we play
ok, i’m going to toss out an idea for anyone to debate, and perhaps Grant to quash: do the Niners have any realistic chance/desire to trade up in the first round?
seems like the top free agent WRs are going to be expensive, or possibly not available (franchised). do we trade up to go after Blackmon or the #2 rated WR?
fesnyc, I would be very surprised if they could trade up that high even if they wanted to. With the pick being #30 there won’t be a huge desire for teams that are in those top 10 positions to drop back that far. There are others who have 2 picks in round 1 that can put together much more attractive options.
I also don’t see Baalke and Co parting ways with the future #1 that would almost certainly be a part of any trading up they would do for round 1.
Nice topic
Absoultely not.
If we are going to give up draft picks and pay a lot of money (it would be a high #1) there is no need to go for a guy who has not proven anything at the NFL level.
May as well trade for LF or give up the #1 for Wallace.
That kind of trade would involve multiple high picks to go up that many spots. If he is not better than JR, it would be a bad pick/trade.
MC was supposed to be the best WR in history. It has not turned out that way in the NFL.
While I’d surely like to see us pick up an impact player, I think Blackmon and even K.Wright will be out of reach. BW traded up in Rd#1 to get Jerry Rice, but didn’t trade up from 30 to what? #4 for Blackmon? Top 10 or 15 for Wright? I can’t remember for sure, but I think BW went from around 25 to 17 to get JR (and was criticized for over-paying for a possession receiver.)
A second round receiver won’t be able to just step in and be an upgrade from day 1, but should contribute in the first year and continue to develop.
The Herschel Walker trade is a classic example; the Cowboys came away better than the Vikes with all those choices. We might be able to trade out of #30 and get two picks in the second, one a promising WR.
Brotha, trading down as you mention could be a far more likely scenario unless they feel like they JUST HAVE to get their guy at 30. Trade down a few spots, pick up a later round pick this year and maybe another for next as well.
Certainly will be interesting to see where they go.
Grant please delete some of these posts – need to clean up this extreme stuff.
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Biggest news here is that Dashon dropped Drew Rosenhaus. This move will make negotiations with every other team, and the Niners, easier for Dashon. His 2011 play and stats and age will stand on their own and GMs won’t need to listen to hyperbole and talk Drew back down to reality. IMO, Goldson will get a lot more teams making him offers now. Smart move.
I think Rosenhaus has lost some of his luster when handling Terrel Owens it became comical.
Neal, Rosenhaus is going the way of Mel Kiper Jr. Out with the flash…
Goldsons’ personnel move may indicate he wants a deal done with the 49ers. No need to trade up for a WR, more value in rounds 2 or 3. Better to trade down.
@Razoreater
I like the idea of holding onto #30 until just before it comes up; then trading down for someones #2 and #3 or #4. I don’t see a need to be filled at 30, that can’t be filled in the second or third round, and we’d gain one more pick.
2 Tight Ends ran sub 4.5 sec 40 times today. It is crazy how much more athletic that position has become in the last 10 years. Looks like it is a good thing Harbaugh uses the TE as a base for his passing game.
I brought this question up to a buddy the other day, but why is the franchise tag such a slap in the face? Depending on the postion you get anywhere from 5-14 million guaranteed for one year(give or take). Aside from the signing bonus a long term contract holds no guarantee, as the player can get cut any time. Who’s to say player x even gets a sniff in free agency? If some of these players had any financial sense they’d realize they are pretty set with a one year deal worth millions.
They don’t think like us, although I see your logic, they want to feel wanted and get a deal, and although the deal is not guaranteed, they can get a 3 yr 12 million dollar contract and 6 million might be guaranteed.
I see your point, Neal. I guess that’s just one of many differences between pro athletes and the regular guy or gal. One could say that getting offered the franchise tag means you’re pretty wanted too though.
It depends on the player and the guaranteed money. Guaranteed money is huge in the NFL where one play could end a career. If the guaranteed tag salary is greater than the potential contract guarantee then the player is less likely to be upset.
Vincent Jackson would love the tag (at least, according to his agent) because he feels the $13 million guaranteed would be more than he’ll get as a free agent.
In Goldson’s case he’ll likely get $8-$10 million guaranteed vs. $6 million on the tag. $2-$4 million isn’t chump change, even for NFL players.
I had to spell-check “guarantee” about 10 times there. I need to learn to write.
I watched some of the NBA celebrity game. Didnt know any of the celebritys. And Mullin missed an easy layup. I’m not sure he or Richmond can dunk anymore. Ah,getting older..
Genius Stan, pure genius! Please let us know who wins the slam dunk contest.
@ DS,
I was talking with Niner girl and we decided to do a song for you. I am sure you know it http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mQZmCJUSC6g
It goes like this “Your so vain DS you probably think this freakin blog is about you, don’t you”
Neal, relax on DS, he is going into full hater mode. First Crabtree now Goldson.
I think he must have a problem with players’ salaries or somethin.
@JH,
He may of been thrown out of the Alex Smith fan club or maybe he is heart broken because he is in that love triangle between himself, Fitzerald and Smith.
It spread to you most definitely.
DW, the guy who solidified the secondary gets no respect from you at at all. Or the guy who lead 2 4th quarter comebacks against the Super Bowl favorites NO Saints. That guy seems to be rather low on your totem poll of good players as well.
DS, I can appreciate the improvement made by AS, and already told you I was pointing out the flaws in Whitner’s game to disprove your vitriol for Goldson.
At least I am not forgetting which safety actually made the Pro Bowl while calling for our leading receiver and practical pro bowl safety to be let go.
Which safety had not offers from any other teams before DW came on board?
Look at the facts. DG has said that DW really helped him out. DG sucked at making the calls. DW is great at it. Why you can’t admit that DW really helped DG out, that is what I call hating.
*Which safety had not received any offers…*
DS, I did agree with you,
Jack Hammer says:
February 24, 2012 at 4:35 pm
“Of course he needs DW. It is a TEAM game! He needs DW just like Aldon Smith needs Justin Smith, PW needs NB, AS needs MC, and so on.”
Yes.
You did.
But then you continued to bash DW’s individual efforts while praising DG’s. And only pointing out DW’s missed opportunities and not DG’s. Can you write a post on things that DG needs to do better? Or is he perfect?
Some people call that biased and hypocritical.
So, you said what you said. And I asked you what are we fighting about? And you continued to bash DW. You continued to fight me about what PW said. Somehow thinking that he and I are in some sort of conspiracy together or something ridiculous like that. You continued to fight me about Pro-Bowl Safety when he had NOBODY asking for his services last year. Those are facts. Not opinions.
Then you come at me saying that you are some sort of “expert”. An expert who somehow forgot one of if not the best playoff victory in Niner history. I could never have forgotten that game. So, your “expertise” is not all encompassing. Keep that in mind when dealing with everybody here. And when you say stupid stuff like “I will put my football knowledge against anyone else here on this blog” type stuff, and then you are proven wrong in such a simple memory (Garcia never won a playoff game), it does not impress anybody.
Just say you are a fan. Fans don’t know. They never will. Then, if you have a brain fart, it is fine. Don’t make yourself out like you are a know-it-all, then fail on a simple math problem of 1+1=2.
DS, no one is perfect. Everyone can continue to work on their game and improve.
As whacked out as I think some of your comments are, or laugh at how you can hate on some players while despising anyone who dare go negative on AS, I must say that the one thing I can appreciate about you is how easy it is to have a back and forth with you.
Grant a great article to write would be a look back at each of the past drafts and identify what positions the Niners have hit on and ones they have missed. Since TO, the WR position might be the one position the Niners have missed on completely. The other might be defensive tackle.
This is a great list of previous 49ers’ drafts:
http://www.49erswebzone.com/php/alltimedraft/index.php?decade=2000
Other than Owens the 49ers’ history of drafting wide receivers over the last 20 years is horrible (I’m okay with Crabtree but he isn’t a top 10 pick talent).
The football withdrawals are getting bad. I’m seriously considering dropping $30 on NFL Game Rewind.
I’m a bit miffed the NFL changed it up so that the in-season subscription doesn’t carry through the off-season anymore though. Last year my game rewind subscription (for 2010) lasted all the way up until the 2011 regular season started.
Next they’ll want me to pay $8 for a crappy beer and $75 to park.
I wonder what 3-D football would look like? Worth it?
Stan, if you have a 3D compatible TV you can get some football games from ESPN in 3D.
I checked it out a couple of times, but it isn’t that great. I think that is because the cameras are so far away from the field.
Basketball is much better in 3D than football because they can get the cameras closer to the action to make them jump out.
Oh yeah? Thanks, Its good to know I’m not missing much. I remember the first time I saw HD football..I KNEW i had to get one of them! Huge difference.
Speaking of Jeremy Lin-you read Ben and Jerrys put out a Lin inspired ice cream called Lin-Sanity?..with fortune cookie bits.
That should be offensive to the mentally insane. And who the F cares about Lin? This is a 49er website. Quit being espn and cramming it down our throats. He couldn’t even put up 10 on the heat. Go to yahoo with this Lin garbage!
Uh,Yeah. And thanks for reading!
Stupid Combine fact of the day: Cal punter Bryan Anger led all punters in the 40 yard dash with a time of 4.75 seconds.
I guess it would be handy if the defender’s blitz alot and he has to run for his life.
Yeah,I doubt that he can outrun Seabass helps his cause one iota.
lol at Stan the man !!
Stan, you are a freakin Genius! Just lulling ‘Em all to sleep with the totally random posts then, BAM!!! Don’t change a thing, you are awesome.
Randy Moss says he would sign for free?..is he a Harbaugh kind of fella? Inquiring minds want to know..
Don’t think so. Is he any coaches favorite.
So Neal-you think all that T.O. interest on this blog back then was more because he was an ex 49er?
Stan,
Perhaps, he burned too many bridges for me, he really bashed Jeff Garcia, who was a damn good QB, and let face facts Alex Smith is no Jeff Garcia, and the Niner’s didnot want the risk of any cancer on the team. T.O. would still have a job in the NFL if he was not so toxic.
Neal says, “let face facts Alex Smith is no Jeff Garcia”
You are right on that, Alex Smith actually won a playoff game.
Seriously though, if Garcia had this defense back then they probably would have won a Super Bowl.
Um Jack, Garcia won a playoff game. A huge comeback win against the Giants.
@jack
I may not football. But, you don’t know how to interpret PW saying “I was the goat”, so I do know enough language to know what that means. Nor do you remember the great playoff game against the Giants which I believe was the largest (near the top anyway) comeback in playoff history at that point.
Maybe you did play lots of years of organized football. Possible multiple concussion syndromes effecting you.
@JH.
Jeff Garcia did win a playoff game against the Giants in 2003, one of the greatest playoff comebacks of all time in Niner history.
Like I said, Garcia would have won the Super Bowl with this defense. That comeback win against NY was an all time great.
(thx msc, even the great ones have a brain fart from time to time)
Hardly anything is free these days.
I’m sure there is some very fine print involved here. Perhaps incentives like making the team and number of catches etc. If these incentives are reached i’m sure there will be monies involved then. But the upside is that if he could provide an outside presence for the offense he might be an intriguing thought.
It seems like Moss is desparate and hungry to play and prove himself again and after trying retirement (which seems to have failed) perhaps that bodes well for any team willing to give him a shot.
Jack,
Great ones don’t usually refer to themselves as great ones.
Mohammed Ali
For anyone with a morbid interest, Terrell Owens’ first game as an Allen Wrangler is tonight. I can’t find a broadcast of this (non)event anywhere but you can check the stats for the game here:
http://iflstats.fbstats.pointstreak.com/football/tp/scoreboard.html
Correction – ESPN 3 is broadcasting the game. The announcers make Tirico and Gruden look fantastic. This is really painful to watch.
T(oo) O(ld) is having a decent game so far against sub-Arena League competition.
And Owens just had a pass bounce off his hands for an interception.
I am a horrible person but I’m loving this.
msc, TO has made some changes to his game. He also had 2 unassisted tackles. Maybe if DG walks we can replace him with TO ; )-
@DS
Perusing back through some of the comments on the 1453 blog comments, I saw that my statement to you about Delanie Walker was incorrect and not so nice. I will ask you to forgive my impertinance in that I was frustrated with the “let’s get 20 more TE’s on the team” when IMHO we have 3 of the best already. I misread your piece and responded in kind. I hope you understand.
@Jack Hammer
You were correct in questioning me on the piece by DS.I hope that my explanation is suffecent for you also. Thanks for the correction
Oregon, no need to apologize to me. Anyone from Oregon is cool with me.
Apology accepted.
I was more confounded by your post than anything.
Hey,that looked cool- a silver basketball at the shooting event. Nice idea.
DS, quick question. You keep saying that in my first comment to you I dropped the f-bomb on you sor a comment you made about Frank Gore. I honestly don’t remember either your comment or doing that to you.
What was the comment you made about Gore that drew that response from me?
Here is what I wrote Jack
“Because you brought up FG’s past demanding of the ball, and because I brought up FG’s interview and because that Philly game really sealed the players belief in the coaching staff. Why does that matter? Because this has been the most “team” oriented team all season, and in any of our recollections. And that MC steps outside those bounds means more than if this were the Raiders dysfunctional locker room who don’t know what team means.”
And I was wrong. You did post a lot of times before. It’s just stuff that I ignore like your post here:
“Hopefully Alexis will show the same type of growth next year.”
in the link here in the Smith accepts JH award blog
So, this is the great insight we all receive from a coach. Not much better if any better compared to any “know it all” fans.
I don’t know why Goldson thinks he’s worth all that money… I mean, if fans could see him getting routinely toasted by being out of position and gambling for INTs… Surely the GM and HC could, too? Therefore they might be thinking you’re really not worth all that money you want… And that there are a lot of safties out there as good, or better, for half the money he was demanding.
One of Goldson’s biggest flaws is that on per-coverage basis, he allows, on a per-pass basis, more completions and more big plays than most safeties. And while he’s not a run liability, he’s not an enforcer either.
So, yeah, last year he gambled a lot and got some picks. But over the past three years, his total production vis liability has been quite negative as he routinely surrenders tons of yards and lots of completions. I’d really rather try to find someone else as a stop-gap and work on finding a better safety in the draft.
I know.
But the DC of a JC football team himself Jack Hammer says that he made the pro bowl and is thus worthy.
Not taking into account DG’s 2010 season, or who came on board and really helped DG out.
I’m hoping that Spillman could be a great safety. Guy has speed and knows how to hit, and he is way better at open field tackling than DG is (i.e. I bet Spillman has a better chance to take down Sproles in that NO game than DG who missed Sproles has more often than not). There is a lot more to playing safety than that, but I don’t think DG is anywhere near as good as Spillman is at doing these important parts of the game.