Here’s the news this morning:
1. Adam Snyder is visiting the Cardinals according to Darren Urban of AZCardinals.com. Matt Maiocco reports that the Niners offered Snyder an extension during the season but it was “low-ball.”
2. Ted Ginn Jr. is visiting the Lions today, according to Booth Newspapers.
Don’t be surprised if both Snyder and Ginn sign with those teams today. The Cardinals seem to value Snyder much higher than the Niners do, and Ginn would have a much better chance to actually play wide receiver on the Lions. Behind Calvin Johnson, the Lions secondary receivers (Titus Young and Nate Burleson) are nothings special.
In other news, the Niners called Laurent Robinson and told him they’re interested, according to a league source. Robinson is in Jacksonville talking to the Jaguars who are desperate for a receiver. But if you were Robinson, would you rather play for the Jaguars or the Niners? Stupid question, right?
If Trent Baalke really wants Robinson, he shouldn’t have too tough of a time convincing him to fly out to Santa Clara for a workout.
10:23 This just in: According to Maiocco, G Leonard Davis will workout with the Niners today. He’s on the verge of becoming the third Niners pickup who did not play last season. Baalke is unveiling new wrinkles this off season to his bargain-shopping philosophy.
Davis was the No. 2 pick in the 2001 draft and he was a three-time Pro Bowler. Now, he’s 33, 6-6 and 355 lbs. He’d probably be an upgrade over Snyder.
10:50 Further development on Alex Smith: No development.
11:24 The Niners are interested in Mario Manningham according to Adam Schefter. The Bills and Dolphins are also interested. He’d be a step down from Laurent Robinson, but a good flanker signing nonetheless.
12:02 Further development on Alex Smith: No development.
12:51 Free agent guard Ben Grubbs is taking a physical for the Saints in New Orleans.
1:08 It’s too bad that Blake Costanzo won’t be back next year. I’m not saying it was the wrong move to let him sign with the Bears -the Niners want special teams players who also play a position on offense or defense, and that’s not Costanzo. He’s a special-teams specialist.
With him gone, the locker room will be a lot different. He was one of the happiest guys on the team. He bounced around the locker room with the exuberance of an outsider, like, isn’t all of this just grand?
He was always available and happy to talk and articulate. I’ll miss Blake Costanzo.
BULLETIN: 1:39 Super Bowl hero Mario Manningham will workout with the Niners on Saturday. He’d be a better signing for Niners than Brandon Lloyd because he’s younger and he’s still improving. Manningham will be 26 years old next season. Lloyd will be 31.
BREAKING NEWS: 2:16 Further development on Alex Smith: No development.
2:47 The Cardinals are close to signing Adam Snyder, according to Adam Schefter. Daniel Kilgore is the next man up at right guard on the Niners depth chart. They are interested in signing Leonard Davis to compete for that spot.
3:00 The Cardinals officially sign Snyder to a five-year deal.
3:19 According to Josh Ellis, a Cowboys reporter for the Dallas Cowboys Star Magazine, the going rate for Laurent Robinson has gone up to $6 million per year. That’s probably too steep for Baalke and the Niners.
3:39 Robinson just signed a five-year $32.5 million contract with the Jaguars, according to Schefter. It’s looking doubtful that the Niners will sign another impact wide receiver in free agency.
3:52 Brandon Lloyd worked out today with the 49ers, but there is no word yet if he’ll sign. Manningham is still scheduled to come tomorrow. I’d be surprised if the Niners signed either one of these guys because they’re going to be expensive. Signing either guy at market value could make them the highest paid wide receiver on the team. I don’t think Baalke would want Manningham or Lloyd earning more than Crabtree or Moss.
The Niners best move probably is to wait until the draft to get their replacement for Joshua Morgan. They could draft Marvin Jones, a 6-2, 200 lbs. flanker from Cal, in the second round. He would be a good, cheap replacement for Morgan. This move would allow the Niners to draft Stanford tight end Coby Fleener in the first round. Adding Fleener and Jones would make the Niners offense much more dangerous for a bargain.
EXTRA: It’s been two hours since the last bulletin on Alex Smith, and here’s the latest: Further development: No development.
4:45 The 49ers are interested in Eddie Royal, according to Barrows. Royal is scheduled to meet with the Chargers this week, but if he doesn’t sign a contract with them, he might be interested in the Niners. He’s 25 years old, 5-10, 185 lbs. He’s a slot receiver, so if the Niners sign him it means they’re comfortable with Crabtree at flanker and Moss starting at split end, most likely.
6:24 The Seahawks just released Robert Gallery. Perhaps the Niners could sign him to a one-year contract to play right guard. Gallery is 31 years old, he’s 6-7 and he weighs 325 lbs. He played hurt last year.
6:25 John McClain speculates that Peyton Manning will sign with the Titans and run the team after he retires. In that scenario, Bud Adams is Willy Wonka and Manning is Charlie Bucket.
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Nice thing about throwing a little money at Robinson is even if he doesn’t sign we’ll make someone, hopefully the Cowgirls, pay a little more for him.
Probably wouldn’t offer enough to make them pay more but maybe an offer from a successful team at least makes them think about throwing more money to him.
that’s what I meant but you said it better.
I can’t believe that Ted G might go the Lions. He was the main reason our special teams was so dangerous which was a fairly big part of our strategy. Plus I bet he is slightly PO about the signing of Moss as wide receiver instead of letting him step up to that position. But I have confidence in the front office. I am pretty sure they know what they are doing. Good luck Ted, and Godspeed. I for one will hate to see you go.
Leonard Davis G from Det is visiting the 9ers MM says its likely he will sign by the end of the day
Just beat me to it Coach. Here’s the link anyway.
http://www.csnbayarea.com/blog/niners-talk/post/Guard-Leonard-Davis-visits-49ers?blockID=669584&feedID=5936
Not a fan of this move, very old and just doesn’t move very well anymore. Wasn’t he the one that had problems holding everyone in Dallas as well…I hope we don’t sign him. I would rather take my chances going with Kilgore or Person.
Agreed. He never lived up to the #2 pick overall as OT for AZ but seemed to find new life in DAL (maybe cuz he played college ball in TX.
Nevertheless, they waived him and he didn’t even play last year. I absolutely H-A-T-E neglecting the most important unit to our offense’s success. haven’t seen a great RG around here regularly since Gogan.
I would love to see AS have 5 seconds to throw the damn ball like the “Elite” QB’s have and see what our O can do! frustrating.
Im not sure if Leonard Davis is the answer but i think Anthony Davis needs to work along side a veteran to be somewhat successful. BREAKING NEWS Niners clone Iupati to play RG!!!!!
When will John Hannah and Rayfield Wright be in for a look? How about Jackie Slater, he wants to be the first 30 year starter in the NFL. Breaking news……Bob St. Claire says he’ll give it a shot one more time
Good move. It will allow Kilgore to develop for another season.
just beat u both by 24 minutes in last blog
Dang it!!! LOL
a hollow achievement to be sure
would be interesting to know what the front office really think of kilgore…..whomever takes over the LG spot needs to be a certainty with still green anthony davis on the outside…..is leanord davis a sure bet on that …..
need a review of what guards are still out there in FA and the top guards in the draft are
They’re clearly very high on Kilgore, but he’s still pretty small for a guard (6-3, 308). He’d probably need to add another ten to fifteen pounds of muscle to be a viable starter at right guard.
Don’t you mean RG?
yep i am a dumas
Grant,
I would have thought/hoped Kilgore spent the past year adding muscle. Is 308 his new, beefed-up weight?
Maybe not. Maybe he’s beefed up some. Still, he’s probably a year away.
wow, i’m surprised we made a low-ball offer to a starting guard and a guy who solidified out what was a porous o-line prior to his insertion. but i guess that’s why i’m not the Niners’ GM!
Leonard Davis – hope he’s the Larry Allen of the 2010′s. otherwise, i have faith that Baalke/Harbaugh will find something they like. so nice to have faith again after the Singletary/etc years.
Agreed. The FO may be missing the boat on Snyder. When he replaced Rachal, the O-line played much better.
Snyder often seemed frustrated and ornery in the locker room. I got the impression the coaches laid into him often in meetings, but that’s just a guess. None of the other offensive lineman brooded like he did.
wow, great color Grant, thanks. we’ve had some real ornery cusses who played great (Haley…supposedly J. Smith too?) but i guess each case is different. hope he does well wherever he goes, he seemed to be an important piece to a very satisfying year.
Ornery cuss….Are you a Sigma Nu?
Thanks, that’s good insight.
@Grant:
Thanks for the Snyder revelation. That kind of insider insight is invaluable to fans looking in from the outside. Have any other observations you feel like sharing?
Sure. Joe Staley is very close with Snyder. They seem like best friends. In the locker room, Snyder is happiest when he’s talking to Staley. Alex Smith is also very close with these two guys. If Snyder left, I’m sure Staley and Smith would be highly disappointed.
I’m not sure on getting Leonard davis either. I hope its for a backup and not starting role. I would rather they go after someone like Grubbs (probably not since he is being courted by many teams now) or Evan Mathis, or Steve Hutchinson if he is able to move to RG (played LG his entire career). Either way, I would be fine with Snyder back, but as a backup role, and only last ditch effort for starter.
Grant, LOL, no…just come from a long line of ornery cusses.
Claude- agree – Grant, keep bringing on those insights – i’d rather get inside reads like the one on Snyder than spend more time reading about the debate over QB.
When training camp starts I’ll make sure to give the locker room insights every day. Until then I’ll answer as many questions about the players’ personalities and the locker room dynamics as I can.
yep this interests me…..to me it is always about the journey
being the globo hobo i am
The Niners can probably get a guard in the draft better than what’s out there. My thinking has been offensive lineman in the first unless a gift is there.
yep this interests me…..to me it is always about the journey
being the globo hobo i am
You can say that again.
Love it Grant – more locker room insight would be fantastic.
bring back snyder!!!!!!!
Now, we’re talkin’.
I heard a very intersting interview w/T. Dilfer on KNBR this morning. Dilfer likes SF anyway but said that SF was still had high hopes for our own receivers saying coaches believed that Kyle Williams (despite his costly mistakes in last game) could be a very good slot receiver.
Also that he had seen lots of tape on Crabtree and saw hi, run good routes and be open far more often than not. The fact that the ball didn’t get there (pass rush, check-offs, etc.) was something MC couldn’t help. I’m sure the coaches are aware of this.
I’d agree on both counts and (not because Dilfer says so) but because I saw KW do damage in the middle of the field and MC make tough catches and move the chains more often than I saw him fail.
Robinson would be great signing and set TB and his coherts to do some damage in draft. Very nice news. Go TB!
The one problem I see is if we lose Ginn, then who’s going to replace him on the special teams?
Kyle Williams, Perrish Cox and a draft pick would compete for the punt returner job, I’d imagine.
Let’s hope Kyle Williams improves his judegment, Cox developes some speed, but somehow those seem unlikely :)
Draft may also produce a candidate KR/PR
Could we start a trade for Joshua Cribbs campaign? If Chicago got Marshall for two 3rds surely you can pry Cribbs away for less. Reuinte Seely with his boy since we let Blake get away! Or draft a KR/slot WR in the rounds. Free Cribbs… free Cribbs!!!
Wylie-KR/WR
Joshua Cribbs is one of the most under utilized talents in the NFL. I imagine a 4 would bring him in if Browns were receptive.
Dilfer would have to be wrong about Crabtree being open more times than not. Otherwise the protectors would lose a major Alexcuse….
Grant at this point why do you think the Niners have not invited a QB to camp? If anything to let Alex know that they are ready to move in another direction if he doesn’t sign.
Because that would be a stupid thing to do.
@Claude
Only a Smither would think that’s a stupid think to do.
@NickRow:
To the contrary, only a Hater would advocate such a move.
Why needlessly introduce acrimony into what has thus far been a non-contentious negotiation? Smith wants to come back. The 49ers want him to come back. There isn’t a burning need to get this agreement signed RIGHT NOW, so why take a provocative step that is as likely to drive the parties apart as it is to bring them together?
Don’t assume that all negotiations call for the same tactics. This isn’t the Carlos Rogers situation.
@NickRow:
And if you are going to pretend to quote me by using italics, at least make sure you spell the words correctly. People might mistakenly think that I am the ignorant one.
Claude the smart thing would be to invite another QB. Right now its a power struggle. The FO offerred a contract and Smith hasn’t signed it. Why hasnt he? My guess is that either he thinks he deserves more or wants to explore his options. There could be another reasons we dont know. But what if Alex waits and waits then signs elsewhere, then there are no good QB’s on the market, then we’re screwed. If the contract isn’t signed soon we have to explore other options
@Adam707:
Right now its a power struggle.
No, right now, it’s a negotiation.
The FO offerred a contract and Smith hasn’t signed it. Why hasnt he?
I would imagine it is because he does not agree to one or more of the terms. He’s not obligated to accept whatever the team offers. He’s entitled to make a counteroffer because, as I said, it’s a negotiation.
There could be another reasons we dont know.
So, if you don’t know what’s going on, why are you so eager to play hardball? The 49ers know what’s going on and clearly, they don’t believe it warrants bringing anyone in.
But what if Alex waits and waits then signs elsewhere, then there are no good QB’s on the market, then we’re screwed.
What has Alex Smith ever said or done that leads you to believe that he would do something like that?
If the contract isn’t signed soon we have to explore other options
Depends upon what you mean by “soon.” What QB option are they in danger of missing out on at this time? But for the inexplicable Orton signing, the QB market right now consists entirely of Peyton Manning. The 49ers don’t appear to be interested in Manning, so they aren’t losing out on anything there. If he is smart, Flynn will wait for the Manning process to play out before having any serious discussions with teams. And again, the 49ers don’t seem interested in Flynn. I really don’t see a land rush for QBs today. Or tomorrow.
Agreed. If Alex is waiting for Manning/Flynn to sign so that he’ll be the last man standing (and start soliciting higher offers), then why wouldn’t the 49ers start bringing in QB’s. They’re stupid if they don’t from a negotiation standpoint.
I’d like to see them contact Manning, Flynn and Johnson – maybe that would light a fire under Alex’s behind and get him to sign the contract.
Or, they could just lure PM to SF and say “sorry, Alex, you waited too long to sign”.
He might be waiting to see who his WRs are.
Like I said, only a Smither would think that’s a stupid move because they’re delusional about Elite Alex.
If Alex were such a hot commodity, then how come there is so little interest around the league for his services? Even Chad Henne, Jason Campbell, and Kyle Orton are getting more action then Elit Alex.
Adam707,
Sometimes things take time. We all want it done and put to bed, but that’s not the way it works all the time. We have no idea what is going on in the negotiations other than Jed York saying the ball was in his court and they were communicating regularly.
We can speculate any number of scenarios but we know that both parties (Niners and Smith) want each other, so I have to think it will get done unless something unexpected happens.
Looking at the QB market in general, there isn’t much happening. Everybody’s darling Matt Flynn is not receiving all the attention that was predicted and Manning is in a holding pattern as well. If I were in Smith’s camp and not all that thrilled about the money and term, I’d probably wait a little longer to see how things fell too. If you do the math you see a number of teams with a QB need and very few options to go around.
If the organization is trying to keep their reputation of behing hard-nosed negotiators who don’t cater to anyone, then it makes no sense that they’re just waiting for Alex to make up his mind and are trying to be nice.
The hard nosed approach is to start bringing in competition now and treat him like they have everyone else.
Look how quickly Rogers signed once he realized they were bringing in Wright and Carr. Same approach would work with Alex.
Sign, or potentially be replaced.
@NickRow:
Do you have anything to add to the conversation beyond name-calling and asking a question that has already been answered?
I didn’t think so.
@49erGirl:
Contract negotiations aren’t a one-size-fits-all kind of thing. You don’t treat every position the same way; you don’t treat every player the same way.
And as far as I can tell, Alex Smith hasn’t gone out soliciting offers from other teams.
Players don’t solicit other teams…teams solicit players. Unless you’re Peyton Manning or a top FA who can pick and choose where you want to go.
Nobody is soliciting Alex…not even the Niners other than the offer they sent him a while back.
…49erGrl obviously has no clue…….“A hater will look for the negative in everything positive.”
Smith has had the contract since December. To not sign it by this point is a sign of disrespect. Basically playing games.
The Niners front office has played hardball with everyone and is beginning to develop a culture and a reputation. Smith is treading on that right now.
Nick Row you are correct, only a Smither would respond the way Claude did.
BTW Claude you are in good company. With all the responses only oneniner agreed with you…. Nice going.
This is the type of question that shows whether you are a Smith fan first or a 49er fan first….
@oneniner
Don’t bother with her.
She spends all of her time pondering other peoples gender and religion. That takes up all her time. She has no idea how things work. Which in itself isn’t bad. But thinking you know when you clearly don’t and acting like you do…that is wrong.
@49erGirl:
Players don’t solicit other teams…teams solicit players.
You are kidding right? Free agents (or more accurately their agents) often target teams where they think there is a need or where they think the style of play fits their talents.
Nobody is soliciting Alex…
… because nobody thinks he is going to leave SF.
@Claude
Once you get over your delusion and denial, you’ll realize how silly your reasoning is.
right oneniner…the 49ers should sit back and let Alex set the market for what the Niners need to pay him and they should just say “OK” without bringing in any competition. Brilliant!! Why don’t they just back the Brinks truck up to his house and say “gee, take what you want, but leave some for the other FA’s we still need to sign”
That’s bad business and poor negotiation tactics.
I still think he’ll sign with the Niners, but they’ll find a way to ensure he signs at their price.
And if I’m so clueless, perhaps you can give us the link or source that is stating how many teams are going after Alex.
From everything I see, nobody is expressing interest – feel free to prove me wrong.
claude,
You constantly harass Bay for not posting facts.
Where is it clearly stated that nobody is interested in Alex because they don’t believe he’s leaving SF? That is not a factual statement.
Isn’t it possible they’re not interested because they’re just not interested regardless if his situaiton?
@bay:
You think this issue breaks down any differently than other Alex Smith debates? Irrational Haters think the 49ers should needlessly play hardball with Alex Smith, and rational people disagree.
Smith has had the contract since December. To not sign it by this point is a sign of disrespect. Basically playing games.
You have no idea that those are the facts. And how is it disrespect or playing games not to sign a contract whose terms you disagree with?
This is the type of question that shows whether you are a Smith fan first or a 49er fan first….
Actually, asking the question the way you did is a sure sign that your antipathy towards Alex Smith outweighs your alleged fandom for the 49ers. You want the team to take a potentially destructive step for no purpose other than to validate your dislike of the QB.
By the way, you raised this topic, not me. In fact, the vast majority of commenter-initiated Alex Smith discussions come from people like you who cannot stand the fact that Alex Smith proved them wrong in 2011.
DS,
I spend most of my time out and about where you don’t have to wonder about people’s gender because it’s obvious. Normal people don’t try to hide these things. Whack jobs on the other hand….well, who knows what makes them tick.
And, besides, I’m not the one posting all day, every day starting first thing in the morning and going all the way until late in the evening – only taking breaks to eat, use the restroom, and sleep.
Speaking of not knowing things yet trying to pretend you do – when are you going to admit you don’t know as much about Peyton Manning as Peyton Manning does?
….competition??….i thought CK was competition……
The 49ers know they need Alex if they are going back to the playoffs………..he did what was expected of him, so give him the opportunity to get a better deal out there…………..trust me if Condon was your agent you will get an offer…..
@49erGirl:
It has pretty much been common knowledge that Smith intended to re-sign with San Francisco and that San Francisco wanted him back. I have to believe that you have seen references to that understanding in multiple 49ers blogs, 49ers websites, NFL websites, etc.?
If you accept that, then it only stands to reason that no team is going to devote resources to pursuing a player they don’t believe is truly available.
Granted, the longer Smith remains unsigned, the more likely that perception is to change. In my opinion, the second day of free agency is a little early for that to happen.
You are correct that teams may not be showing interest in Alex Smith because they simply are not interested in him. I am sure many teams are not. But I don’t think you can draw any such conclusion from the lack of visits in the first two days of free agency, particularly when the prevailing thought is that Smith is coming back to the 49ers.
Why are some talking about the possibility of JJ when CK is waiting in the wings? Seems like overkill. I understand CK has some skill work to do, but I don’t think it is time to give up on him yet!!
For the sake of competition.
is being part of the competitive mix enough for johnson to be #3 on the niners vs being number two on the bucs especially with a vince jackson and guard nicks on his team if freeman goes down
Why would JJ come here with little chance of starting? He has a better chance with the Jags, Clev, Mia and even Sea. I don’t see it.
Thanks for the post 49erGirl
But since I don’t read your dabble, I don’t know what you said. And I am cool with that. Too bad you aren’t.
Back to the “I don’t read your stuff” again? Then how do you know I said anything?
You know we have had several recent back-n-forth conversations that I could repost to disprove that statement, right?
Typical DS BS.
Claude,
I agree that both the Niners and Alex have put the message out there that they want to work things out. If that’s the case, why wait until FA? Why not get things inked right away?
Seems to me that both sides are posturing – like Grant said a few days ago, they’re at a stalemate.
In order to end a stalemate, circumstances need to change – either someone showing interest in Alex, making the Niners more likely to up their offer, or the Niners showing interest in another QB, making Alex think twice about not signing the contract on the table.
Like I said earlier, I do expect Alex to sign….but I think the Niners hold all the chips and should start showing interest elsewhere to prove their point.
I still say they are trying to determine how much of the overall deal will be applied to this year’s cap dollars. Since they aren’t done in FA, they can’t finalize the deal.
@ rocket: +1
After running camps without a contract last season and 7 years of being on the hot seat, Smith is no stranger to this. They’re negotiating. We can calm down. The only two scenarios I see for not working out another QB is that 1) Baalke is more comfortable with Smith and Kaep than any FA not named Manning (and really, who else is there) or 2) they really are secretly courting Manning – but the lack of any leaks on that front lead me to believe that’s pure speculation.
Smith does have some leverage too – the only FA QB move that wouldn’t be regarded as starting over is Manning (if truly healthy)… and for better or worse, both QB’s are repped by Tom Condon.
As a neutral observer, interested only in the greater 49er good, I must say, Claude is slapping the rest of you in the face with a glove full of facts, reason, and logic.
LMAO!!!! Claude and onelame getting *itch slapped. Its funny how you have no legs to satnd on, but yet you continue to try. Gotta applaud that. You Smith fans never stop. Smith isnt going anywhere because nobody needs a back up QB right now posing as a starter. Sorry but thats what the league see’s. No one thought other free agents wouldnt leave and contacted them anyways. Really! Where is Smith going to go? Smith would die without this team. PLAIN AND SIMPLE. The 49ers would still thrive without Smith. Dont get it twisted Onelame.
I read lots on free agency, maybe not as much as everyone, I never see JJ mentioned anywhere by any team except here.
Andrew, great point! I wonder why? Might there be an *agenda*!! Hmm.
Faithful71,
I was wondering if anyone else heard that from Dilfer. Clowns here seem to think that Crabtree went an entire game and never got open. they don’t even remember 2 intended passes blocked at the line that were headed for crabtree and the 2 that were thrown at his feet and the one that was thrown out of bounds. Yeah, Crabs had a terrible game!(NO!!!!!)
23 Jordan, didn’t Jerry Rice say after the Giants game that he was not getting open and that he needed to lose 10-15 pounds which would help him become a better WR? Did you hear that?
Jordo, ED was on NFL Net stating that the signing of RM helps MC because he has shown not to be able to get separation from the opponents #1 CB.
After one day, I think it’s safe to say that predicting what Harbaugh and Baalke will do in free agency is not that easy. All we know is that they won’t go after players that cost an arm and a leg.
I thought it was pretty obvious they were going to let Snyder and Ginn walk. We’ll see what happens.
But most of us thought Rogers would sign elsewhere though.
True, Rogers and Morgan were surprising. Washington surprised everyone by overpaying for Morgan, and Baalke seemed to get Rogers with those Wright rumors. That was well done.
Why? Rogers must have said 100 times throughout the season and after the season that he wasn’t going to follow the $$ and he really wanted to stay in San Francisco. Maybe you should have believed him the 10th time he said it.
Morgan said he wanted back too Mike, but as we all witnessed, it didn’t happen.
Grant – were you surprised they let Josh Morgan walk? Hofer must have been crushed with sorrow. I know Hofe (among others) has a deep-rooted dislike of Crabtree from the material I’ve been reading the last few weeks.
Harbaugh must not have been too high on JM.
It seems like they were unfortunate Washington became interested in Morgan. The Redskins are the kind of team Baalke never wants to bid against.
He did not talk about coming back the way Rogers did and Rogers was coming back a sure fire starter. Totally different scenarios. In fact, if Josh had listened to anything Rogers said throughout the year he would not have TOUCHED the Redskins.
Hey, Crab! Nice to see you back :-)
9erGirl/Rockstar – Thanks! Good to be back. You like how I go straight after Hofer? He likes when I rattle his cage. :-)
@MidWest
One thing can be predicted, the people that make the decisions are keeping a tight wallet.
@Grant
Ginn would be a 4th WR in Detroit, perhaps 3rd at best. There’s no way he’ll beat out Nate Burleson to become their #2 WR.
$$$ He wants some money and the 49ers want to pay him return money. We are looking for someone who can make a bigger impact not just a ST player.
Yes, Niners are looking for a WR to make a bigger impact than just special teams contribution, but I have to believe they still value special teams contribution. Between Andy Lee and Ted Ginn, 49ers led the league in starting field position margin in 2011. If Ginn isn’t satisfied with KR duties, 49ers need to find another returner.
I totally agree. Ginn supposedly wants to be a regular WR — but in his entire career he has not shown that he can be. If he signs with Detroit (or anyone else for that matter), he’ll blaze around the field, dazzle with his speed, get open, drop some clutch passes, and find himself on ST and a 3rd, 4th, or 5th WR.
Yep. Sad part is that we need him to return kicks. I remember all to clear the kinds of returners we had before Ginn. I hope we can get half the production we had in Ginn and no muffs.
Free Joshua Cribbs!!!!
Kendall Hunter can return kickoffs, and hopefully KW learned his lesson on ball security.
Leonard Davis? Really?
someone save this forsaken franchise
They would view him as a veteran back up. You think that is a bad call? And this is just a visit. They have not signed him yet.
14-4 season and you want someone to save the franchise. Really DSL?
talk to me when it’s 16-3. all other numbers mean nothing
That’s still an impressive accomplishment considering how the team was before last season. There is no reason to worry right now.
Hey.
Its the guy who has not life, so he steals others. Get off loser.
@DS94
Imitation is the greatest flattery. No one on this site tries to be another person. Saying that, if someone came on the site named Andrew from Dehradun I’d take notice.
@Andrew
When the haters are the ones who keep calling you DSL, it is not meant as a term of endearment.
This loser knows that.
In addition to Lloyd, WR Chaz Schilens is scheduled to visit the team. However, I’m not sure why the interest :)
Schilens is scheduled to meet other teams after the Niners. I can’t imagine the Niners are seriously interested.
From everything I hear about Schilens from my Raider friends, is that he is actually a good reciever and is on the brink of a break out season. He just dealt with injuries. They seem bummed to lose him.
When I watched Raiders games, Schilens looked awfully good, if I remember correctly. Really big and really fast and really good hands. Possibility of becoming a star.
I never saw the really good hands. I saw DHB hands.
Schilens is a good WR, he just seems injury prone. He’s a heck of a player when healthy. Would be a good addition to the team.
Schilens can’t stay on the field. He’s been injured every year he’s been in the league and missed a large number of games. No way I sign this guy unless it’s the minimum with playing incentives.
When a team checks out a free agent I’m certain his past injury status becomes a major point in the negotiations. Robert Gallery is always injured, I’d stay far away. Ted Ginn, even though I want to sign here, is on the injured list every season.
Was hoping the 49ers would retain Ginn and Snyder.
Ginn – The Niners were all about field position last year. Ginn had great value kick/punt returns. Maybe the thinking is Cox can replace Ginn. Seely is said to have more influence on draft/FA then other special teams coaches. Maybe dropping Costanzo and Ginn are signs Seely has other players in place.
Snyder – OK run blocker, far better pass blocker compared to Chilo. Will really miss his versatility as he can play center and Goodwin is not getting any younger. We may be drafting guard/center in the first two rounds. What will happen with Chilo?
Seely does seem to be a real power behind the throne or thrones
Here is a list of potential Day Two signings from Trent Baalke. Just having some fun folks, no need to get medieval on me. http://backseatfan.com/2010/04/nfl-players-arrested-in-2010/
Grant, are the Niners showing any interest at all to Wallace?
They have shown no interest so far.
We should have kept Costanzo even if we had to over pay! He had the heart of a lion. You can’t put a price on that!
I like a veteran next to Anthony Davis. Also remember when the 49ers signed signed Larry Allen and he played very good, i see L. Davis doing ok, plus a couple of post i have read have said that Snyder was on the small size and often got overpowered by bigger DT’s. L. Davis 6’6″, 300 lbs plus.
The thing about that was L Allen was motivated by being freshly released by DAL who thought he had nothing left.
He reunited with Norv Turner who was our OC at the time and played alongside Jonas Jennings and even though he was largely disappointing, at his best was a good tackle. Hopefully a huge body next to him makes AD worry less in pass blocking.
I can’t imagine any other team is prepared to offer alex smith starters money…care to speculate on what Condon is up to? Is he just too busy with Peyton Manning to process the paper work?
What about Denver if they whiff on Manning? And Arizona under the same circumstances?
Trying to imagine John Fox with sensitive alex…same thing with Whisenhut…
So the Niners are waiting on Manning to sign with another team, so Alex can sign with another team, and we just what, go into the season with CK and Johnson and Tolzien?
The Niners probably doubt Smith gets another offer.
I cant imagine that Elway has been secretly coveting Alex Smith all this time as a back up to not landing Manning and as far as AZ I just cant imagine that SF would allow that to happen.
What about Miami?
Of course then again, maybe Arizona is trying to get back at us for driving up the cost of Warner a few years back when we flew him out on the private jet. No way they would have any serious interest but they’d love to make us pay a little more for him.
Interesting theory.
why include johnson into the niner speak…he just got vincent jackson and nicks for the OL as a xmas present
Miami will possibly make a run for Flynn and if they whiff again then I’d expect they’ll draft Tannehill. If there were reason to think they rank Smith above either of those options then there would be more discussions from other teams as well about Smith.
There is some speculation that the Browns might draft Tannehill @ No. 4 overall.
Don’t you find it interesting that no one is talking about any other team expressing remote interest in Alex Smith. I mean not even a rumor. The more this plays out the more I am begining to think the deal is done they are just waiting to see how mush they need to adjust it for cap space.
That would be awfully accommodating of Smith.
Seattle is gonna go all in for Flynn(hey that rhymed) knowing they have little chance of being able to draft Tannehill. Between Miami and Celevlend the Dolphins are truly the most desperate for a QB and they have a desperate owner. It’s not impossible to imagine them trying to move up to #3 to get Tannehill. We’re also forgetting that if either Denver or Arizona end up with Manning another free agent QB enters the mix be it either Tebow or Kolb. Either one could go to Miami if they are unwilling to move up in the draft.
So you see no possible way for Alex Smith to up his current offer?
Maybe not. It just means more signing bonus money. That is gauranteed money, right?
No I’m definitely not suggesting that. I’d say that if his intention is to get the 49ers to increase their offer he could continue to wait until Manning is signed and then go on a visit or two. Especially if he did in fact visit Arizona I think SF would be forced to call his bluff and toss a couple more gold nuggets on the table(like the 49er reference?) I believe the 49ers have every intention of bringing Alex back and that they value him above all current options so if Alex wants to get a little more he’ll end up getting it.
Tom Condon is not a stupid man. He’s talking to teams all over the league on a daily basis and if he thought Smith had nowhere else to go for the money the Niners are offering, he would have told him to sign and be happy.
Some of the stuff I’m reading in here is truly naive. There are very few QB’s worth a damn available. Once Manning makes his decision, there will be a number of teams still looking for a QB including two in our division.
Another thing I’m noticing is Josh Johnson is not being linked with the Niners. When does that begin?
Probably as soon as Smith gets linked to another team. Would you give a prediction for a team that might bid on Smith?
I listed some when I did my Devil’s advocate post a few days ago, but here’s a few off the top of my head:
Arizona, Seattle, Jacksonville, Kansas City, Minnesota, Cleveland.
Those are viable. I’m sure Condon is telling Smith he owes it to himself to wait until Manning and Flynn sign, just to see what happens when he’s the top QB left on the market.
regardless on my position on AS and his accommodating JH and the team…..it would be immensely entertaining if a movement for AS by other teams came to fruition….
i may even welcome it just so that the air gets cleared one way or another
@Grant:
None until they think he is available. At that point, Seattle would be a possibility.
Claude,
That’s the point. Nobody believes he will go anywhere so there is no talk about it. The longer this drags on, the more possibility that begins to change.
I think of all the teams that need a QB that the Browns would be the most likely to want him as a potential starter. I’m not convinced that Seattle would see him as a big enough upgrade over T. Jack to get into a bidding war for him and I’ve never thought of AZ as a team that would seriously consider starting Alex Smith unless he suddenly developed a consistently accurate long ball. Miami is gonna make a bigger splash rather then bring in a QB that was once considered a #1 bust.
Holmgren is the kind of guy that can appreciate the upside that Alex can bring to his team and he is an upgrade over their current QB’s. It’s a west coast system that still relies on the running game so it would offer Alex that kind of situation he flourishes in.
So if Alex was available for teams I believe the Browns would be the ones most interested in making him their starter.
Grant,
I wish they would give him whatever it took to get him there.
I really don’t see another team making a significant offer to Smith. Manning’s last name is enough to sell tickets in a worst case scenario and Flynn doesn’t have the baggage that Smith does. Flynn has more of a “excitement of the unknown” factor to him heightened by his performance against Detroit. Manning is the only person that could get the Tebomaniacs to holster their firearms in Denver. I doubt that Arizona would scrap Kolb after one year and a significant money for Smith. Miami is looking to make a splash and create some excitement and I don’t think Smith would do that for their fanbase. We shall see.
BigP,
I’m not sure if it would take a significant offer. If we are to believe what Maiocco reported awhile back, the Niners are working on a contract in the Neighborhood of 2-3 years at 8-11 mill per. If you are one of the teams I mentioned and you can get an experienced starting QB who is in the prime of his career and just came off a season where his team won 14 games, I think you explore the possibility of giving him a deal a little sweeter than that.
It also appears that the market for Flynn isn’t what a lot of the media thought it would be. Lombardi said he may not even receive a starters contract offer. I think Kolb ruined it for everybody who doesn’t have a big resume.
It won’t happen because he’s a jr. system fit. Only for this offense under Harbaugh. No other head coach in the league has the time to babysit Alex. To caress him before every practice and game. JH must not have done more stroking of his ego than Tom Condon did. Alex is trying to play hardball. I wish he’d try and do some of that on the football field.
Thee are no offers for ALwex because everyone knows that he’s going back to the Niners. I hope the Niners aren’t buying that. TB better be out there looking for a starting QB for us.
And you clowns that don’t think Josh Johnson can compete with Alex, I’ll be betting you if and when he gets here. We know how well Alex fights for a job. He doesn’t. He just waits for the head coach to give it to him because he’s such a nice fellow.
The Niners don’t budge on deal. You get an offer, you take it or leave it. Smiths deal aint getting any sweeter. The Niners FO knows he is soft, just like the rest of the league knows he is soft.
I said it last week. Wait on this below average game manager for what. Alex keeps receivers waiting for passes. Now he’s got the Niners front office waiting for him to sign. Let’s move on from this fake already.
Ben Grubbs could make sense at Guard. At first I wondered if Harbaugh avoided talks with Grubbs as a courtesy to his brother. Now I hear since Nicks got such a big contract in Tampa, Grubbs is asking way more then the Ravens 6.5M per year offer.
It’s “Guard Week” in the NFL. Nicks got paid big, which increased Grubbs asking price, which likely will increase Snyder’s price a little.
Both the Ravens and 49ers will be drafting guards. The Ravens draft one spot before the 49ers. It will be interesting in April.
will daddy have to step in…
What time is Lloyd set to visit?
Grant would you see us going after Johnson if Smith would leave?
Is Johnson > Kaepernick? Seems a bit of a push all things considered IMO.
Probably a push. Kaepernick would need as much competition as possible.
In a heart beat.
Could Kolb cause a little arrhythmia in that heart beat?
49ers, Miami and Buffalo have early conversations with Manningham according to Schefter
The Warrior trade that I approve of, has made good old Larry Krueger more insane. THAT only proves it was a good trade. Kreuger hasnt gotten anything right since his unwelcome return. Funny he once bashed Pablo while Krueger wore a Ross uniform…
And for the 157th time Raddy said he loved Larry. And for the 157th time Larry didnt return the compliment..didnt even say thanks.
I love that phony show bizz speak…so ‘Vegas.
I welcome the trade, as it gets the Warriors out of the middle of nowhere in NBA. Still, I wonder if this will be enough for them to lose enough games to keep their pick. Unless they lose every single game the rest of the way, its unlikely with so many bad teams in the East that they will actually be able to keep it.
Funny remark from a Bucks fan in a Mil. paper “Now WE look like Golden State!”
How sorry true-no good big man..and small ball…
Would be great cuz those 2 have great athletic instincts but Kapernick has more tools
With Leonard Davis, his run blocking should be better than Snyder. However, with his age and big size, his pass protection could be a weakness. Hopefully he is in shape and loses a little weight to gain a little more lateral movement and agility.
I say either improve the RT, moving Anthony Davis to RG, or get someone like Evan Mathis, Hutchinson, or maybe Anthong Herrera. Grubb’s pricetag is probably too high now.
One question for Grant..IF Alex leaves…would it make a difference for the 49ers?…I mean would that be a REAL impact?
I think Harbaugh believes the answer is no, so I say no. I really think Harbaugh can and wants to win a Super Bowl with a bargain or unproven quarterback to say he did it.
@Grant:
I also get that vibe from Harbaugh. But I also think he doesn’t want to have to start over from scratch.
I would agree with that. I get the feeling Harbaugh believes he can win with anybody.
…of course the impact will be real……..just like the impact of a QB turning the ball over is real in every game….
….leading the league in offensive giveaways was the number 2 reason (number 1 = coaching staff) we were great last season…….
What would that do for him? Why would he want that? And how is doing that with Alex not doing exactly that? Doesn’t keeping Alex make “that” explicitly plausible?
Quietly, JH thinks he could QB this team to a super bowl win. Right Now. Elite Alex is hardly that. Of couse we could win with a number of QB’s in this league. Thats why the Niners aren’t kissing Smiths behind. That’s why his deal is 3 years, not 5. Thats why the investment protects them from him losing his job in the near future.
The Smither clowns are about to witness the continuence of Smith’s demise. The game manager better be looking for a pen to sign that deal. We are gonna be looking for a new starter anyday now. And Smith is going to be looking for a new team.
then do u think JH speaks with truth or forked tongue when he, and i paraphrase, suggests he will have sleepless nights until AS signs…or was it a predictive comment based on JH’s knowledge that the FA merry-go-round would lead to some queasiness because the niners had a rough road to hoe due to the 19 or so free agents on the team when the season was over…..
I thought his quote was more along the line of “I’ll have sleepless nights as long as a QB is unsigned.”
Well, he didn’t specifically say what team he wanted Alex to sign with, did he, lol!
u both are reaching….many many sound bites on how AS is his QB…
I was kidding, jg…
i have to go back and find the post but there was one post that gave me pause as to AS not remaining a niner….
it had to do with condon, AS agent, he could be telling AS to hold on until the peyton circus clears and see if AS can regain a bit of leverage for whatever couple of nuggets that seem attainable to condon……
and if so then there is a window where AS could visit other teams….arizona wants an answer from peyton by friday so could easily go through the next weekend without AS signed
it was rocket
jg,
I have no inside info or psychic powers. That post was just me thinking it through from a different angle.
Alex Smith wants to return badly. He loves Harbaugh, the system and his wife is from the area with a young child and probably doesn’t even want to hear about a possible relocation. I’m guessing Alex Smith would sign the deal yesterday if it were up to him.
That is why I focused on Condon and the fact the man talks to every team regularly especially right now. If he didn’t think there was a market for Smith I can’t see anyway he would be advising him to wait. There’s just no logic in that to me.
I could be wrong and they are totally bluffing trying to get the Niners to bend a little more, but if they get called on it, and Smith has no suitors, he’s just killed his clients career as a starting QB.
I don’t think Condon is dumb enough to take that gamble.
I like the way you think, Rocket.
…its obvious whats going on in FA…
…All 11 defensive starters from 2011 will return in 2012.
……Upgrade/patch starting Guard, add experience and talent to WR
…….Go young and have versatile players on Special teams
…..niners are building a super bowl team!!!!…..
@oneniner
The evidence so far seems to indicate that.
Yeah, but we need a QB badly! Elite Alex is not so elite.
The return of the one trick pony! Didn’t know the clown convention was back in town. Come on son, can you ever talk about anything else? BWAHAHAHAHAHAHA!!!!!
You should get out from under your Dad’s wing and get a job on your own.
What makes you qualified to comment on anything?
Because he does have a job and your on his blog.
nepotism only.
Wow, Dan, you sure bring a lot to the table.
What do you expect Grant to do, go flip a sign on a street corner for Mr. Pickles?
Wait….that might put you out of a job…nevermind.
mmmmmmm Mr. Pickles.
@ Grant keep up the good work. I like how you handle all the unsolicited/unnecessary personal attacks toward you and your father. Kudos to you, keep up the good work, and remember, if you’re not improving you’re getting worse.
whose mr prickles
obama put me out of a job. did you vote for him? traitor
having daddy get me a job is weak. go out and earn it
Obama put you out of a job? Would that make you George W. Bush or a former member of his staff? Wow, we have a powerful person amongst us!!!
Seriously – sounds like you are jealous of Grant’s fortune. Get over it.
Grant:
I also agree with Claude about wanting more of your inside the locker room insights ! That is the type of stuff we dont get everywhere.
I’ll pump it up.
I think signing L. Davis would be a shrewd move. Remember Chilo Rachal came in last year on jumbo sets as extra beef. They don’t get much more beefy than 6’6” 355lbs! At the least he will fill the back-up guard role that Chilo held. If he comes in and wins a job then they have found a cheap stop gap.
I’ll take a guess and say Leonard Davis is a conservative 360. Pushing to get in shape at that size usually causes more injuries.
If our coaching staff can work with Smith then they can make anyone look decent….
I admit it-for the first time in near a couple of years I’m listening to F&B. I WANT to hear Fitz rip the trade haters. For once his homerism is on the right side. He gave it to Krueger pretty good. Larry backed down.
Wish I could’ve heard it. Though, since working the sidelines at Niner games, Fitz has always leaned towards Red & Gold, imho. I’d love to hear someone have Chris Townsend STFU. Not that he’s down on SF but in my heart of hearts I believe he wishes the faiders were the better team- he’s never up on Alex. Ever.
Nick/Rocket:
I believe Alex will be back and would be shocked if he leftYesterday on NFL net they were pretty much all agreeing on that and were saying Alex is not respected as a QB around the League and wouldnt get a better offer than from the one team that does want him,the Niners. I personally think he might get some limited interest but would be nuts to leave .
So they actually said he wasn’t respected around the league huh Tim? Those exact words were used you’re saying?
They didn’t have to, Rocket – they laughed at the question “What are the possibilities for Alex Smith”. They didn’t say “we don’t respect him”, but it was pretty obvious that was the case.
I posted a link to the segment yesterday. Not sure if it was in the live blog or the entry prior to it. I’ll repost if you like.
So in other words they didn’t say what Tim posted they said.
I saw the segment, I just wanted to see what Tim would say when I questioned him about his choice of words.
Everybody around the league believes the 9ers and Smith are joined at the hip. That is why there is no pub on him going anywhere or them bringing anybody in.
You realize the Niners as a team are not respected on NFL net either, right?
actually, i think ribico’s comment is a good supporting argument
NFL.net is the rest of the league???
Wow…
This is what Peter King had to say on Alex, who has him ranked 13 of the Top 50.
13 Alex Smith
Position: QB Age: 27
Old Team: 49ERS Signed With:
He’ll stay with Niners, barring a major upset. That’s why he’s so low
Read more: http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/2012/writers/peter_king/03/08/top.50.free.agents/index.html#ixzz1p8aCosMA
Everybody knows that txtree.
It’s just that some want to see the world burn.
Sooner than later the bargain shopping will come to
Light. Remember you get what you pay for. And we still have only 1 pro bowl stud on our weakest part of the team. I know we had to resign some of our own. Which I’m glad about. But these bargain basement deals Baalke is doing isn’t making this offense any better than last year. Lose ginn, who stretches the field. Bring in moss who does the same but has a big ?. And whoever else they get will be on Morgan’s level. Smdh
MD,
They are bringing back all 11 starters from one of the top 5 defenses in the league. They’ lost Morgan, who I’m guessing they would have liked to bring back, but he probably went past the limit they put on him and they are looking at other options.
Who else did you want them to sign or bring back?
Just think back to how everyone percieved our FA dealings last year, take a couple o big deep breaths, sit back and for what may be the first time in your life, try to enjoy the ride!
…haters = short term memory
@md
I understand what you’re saying.
But we did keep our defense intact. We did upgrade the WR position (not hard to do) and Moss is better than Ginn as a WR. Considering Moss will be like Ginn and not be a starter (assuming) he will be an upgrade over Ginn playing the same role as Ginn.
But we didn’t (yet) get that guy who will make teams pay for doubling VD on the outside.
FA is a long way from ending. Be patient.
Don’t know if you guys actually read my comment. But I did say that I liked the fact they brought back key players.
Rocket…. I would have liked to see them bring in a big name reciever this year. Im sick of the “no recievers” argument for smith. Like the lame that posted one quick lame comment to mine.. And I’m betting if they didn’t resign his hero he would commit suicide..
Clark like I said you get what you pay for just because he got lucky last year with Rogers and believe me he wouldn’t be so good without
the front seven.. Doesnt mean you’ll get lucky again. I’m not saying he’s a bad GM, but the wr rich free agency this year went by without signing any of the names knowing we need a big time wr. So cool your jets and don’t worry about my ride. I enjoy 49er football year round. Doesn’t mean your always going to be happy. I live on the real world, not a rainbow colored everything is peachy one.
And ds….. This FA period is done with big name recievers. Moss “could” be a good pick up. But we know that’s a coin toss. And with resigning our own now. Don’t think there’s much money
Left for Wallace. We have no clue on what they want to give mr holdout Alex smith… I’m good with what they have done with our own, but it was said by the front office they would look to upgrade the wr group. So far I don’t see one. I see a maybe with moss and anyone that’s left isn’t going to be any better than Morgan especially if they resign smith who has good chemistry with him.
On a final note. Quit judging someone’s mood by words. If none of you didn’t think they would land a big name reciever is a liar. The end!
MD is absolutely correct. The lack of WR signings has been a big disappointment. I understand the FO doesn’t like to overpay, but in the bigger picture, why not sign JMorg to a long term contract while he was hurt? They could have done a team friendly 5 year deal during the 2011 season for half the amount JMorg received. It will be interesting to see *who* the 9ers finally sign.
@md
Just yesterday I was pondering the idea of having Wallace, the fastest WR in the NFL right now along with Moss (the fastest WR I’ve ever seen) on the other. Have VD run deep seam routes, and the defense is MIA.
Earlier today, I posted a link on the the other blog that said SF and the Pats are the teams still in the running for both Lloyd and Wallace. I don’t know how they get Wallace. But then again, I don’t’ know how TB convinced JH to come to our losing franchise either. So, I leave open that hope until Wallace chooses a different option.
Moss could still be a top-5 WR in the NFL, if he is fully healthy and motivated. And judging from his words, the reports coming out of NO, and the speed with which Harbaugh himself pulled the trigger on him, Moss is hardly a coin toss. Is he a jerk? I don’t know. He loafed it on two loser Raiders teams, just as Crabtree loafed it on two loser Niner teams before 2011. To categorically say the Niners didn’t get the BEST WR FA available would be to discount the most talented WR ever to strap on a helmet. Let’s see how this plays out… whatever happens throughout the rest of FA, the draft appears to promise new faces on the offensive side of the LOS.
MD,
Ok you wanted a big name WR, to make the Smith backers put up or shut up. I can understand that, but let’s look at it from a team viewpoint for a second.
The top options in FA just received massive contracts, that would have eaten up most of our cap space. If you do that, it takes away your ability to improve in other places. Right now, they still have the QB to sign, and they are most likely to sign another WR. They then have to have money for their draft class. There’s only so much to go around.
Then there’s the matter of Harbaugh’s system being more run oriented and TE friendly than a wide open passing offense. With Crabs, Moss and a FA, backed up by a rookie and possibly Williams, I think we’re ok at WR. Add in another TE and RB in the draft, and this offense is going to be a lot better imo.
Hem…. You know you used I don’t know and could in your explanation of moss right? That’s why I said its a coin toss. And Hoff. Be careful some may think you aren’t happy and you hate Baalke. Tee hee
I don’t think anyone on this site really thought the Niners would break the bank for any wide out, or anyone else for that matter.
Baalke is doing the same thing the smart teams like the Packers, Steelers and Patriots do. Sit back and let the Cowboys, Redskins and Chargers flail around and throw truckloads of money at one year wonders and older players.
Once the spastic teams have spent all their money step in and grab good players at appropriate prices.
Absolutely wrong to equate Ginn & Moss. Need not say why. You figure it out.
When you stop posting telling others when they can post, maybe I will talk. Not until then.
Thank God!!! I owe you one if you really shut this moron up, Hemingway!
@pork
Still angry because you don’t know what “mentor” means? And that you can’t stay true to hold up your end of our deal that I will disagree with you and you have to live with it?
No evidence. Just a lot of hate. You are a hater.
Rocket:
Yes, those words were spoken. But they have several talking heads on those shows and all sorts of opinions fly. But none of the commentators disagreed and there were nods.I personally respect Alex as a person a great deal ! But as a player,nothing special I am sad to say.
Tim, you idiot. Use the thread reply button. Don’t start a new reply every time when you are responding to a poster.
He’s probably responding from a smartphone. Can’t reply in a thread with those.
Just did it. Have to go to the bottom of the page and change the page view… Try to be helpful instead of insulting ;)
Yes you can. Go to desktop
JG:
Dont be anxious,Alex will sign with us and be back !
Girl:
No, in the segment I spoke about those words were spoken .Of course opinions spoken on those shows are just the opinion of the speaker. But nobody objected and stepped in to support Alex with a differing point of view.
…here you go again……Timmmy!!!!
What’s more funny? The fact that onelame is the biggest moron on here. Or he says he’s a 49er fan? Onelame your a legend in your own mind. And that’s even a miracle. Wheeeww!
Baalke is channeling ‘American Pickers’ so far.
Maybe L Davis can be a Larry Allen for us; hope. Or maybe Jabba The Hut.
Yes, but unlike the antiques found on American Pickers, athletes don’t become more valuable with age.
Unfortonately Alex wont want to go somewhere and learn a new system again. Not an Alex hater but the guy Just doesn’t have it and not all his fault some blame goes to prior coaching staff. He has no wow factor and even the talking heads who see all the stats know he’s average at best..
“It” is called Moxie, and Alex, sadly, doesn’t have any.
Rocket:
Those words were spoken. My memory is not what it used to be but I thought it was from the old dallas receiver/hall of famer. But I was changing channels furiously yesterday and who knows,with my memory I suppose it could have been ESPN. But I firmly believe the words were spoken that Alex is not respected around the League. (as a player).I would never make anything up !!! Besides we all already knew that the vast majority of talking heads felt that way,so nothing unusual in hearing opinions similar to that quite often. Why are you so surprised ?
I’ll take your word for it Tim. I’m not surprised other than they usually aren’t that direct with their criticism. Saying a player isn’t respected around the league is a pretty strong indictment of that player.
Tim, here you go again…”I like AS and he would be good for the team and will probably sign but he isn’t respected around the league”.
I saw the shows. The one on NFL Net that 9ergirl was alluding to also had Scott Hanson state at the end of the segment discussing the signing of AS, “we saw how well that worked out for them did last year – wins.”
Tim, please post the link where they said adamantly they didn’t respect AS. WHY do you make this stuff up Tim?
If it was said I could see Jamie Dukes saying something like that.
Actually, I heard that refernce to AS on KNBR this morning by either Dilfer or one of the hosts.
AS not being respected nationally is an absolute fact. Every sports show I tuned into trashed him until after the Saints game.
PFT has him rated as the 54th overall FA- out of 100. Peyton is #1 If PFT is THE source for football news nationally and that’s not disrespect, I dunno what is.
I think his situation SOMEWHAT resembles Eli’s early years.
“Great, you won a playoff game or two. Now, call me after you win a SB.”
He did and people still there were doubters/critics/a-holes, etc.
I’m not a Smither but I appreciate what AS accomplished. Now, with better pieces he’ll just have to reach the SB and win to shut more people up.
R Moss has always produced when backed up against a wall as in NE’s 18-1 run a few years back. I don’t care that Brady was his QB. Alex will get the ball up there and Moss will either catch it or get a PI call.
I wish we could get a big time effing guard instead of a fat tub of goo that will get owned in pass coverage, though.
In other news, Manningham will be here tomorrow and Dallas signed B Carr 5 yrs-50 mil. That’s more than Finnegan got. Can u say “overpaid.”
Faith71,
Peter King has Smith at #13 and says he’s that low only because everybody knows he’s going to resign with the Niners.
Claude:
I agree and think we all know that one reason Alex is not being sought after is because everyone around the League believe he is certainly wanting to stay with the Niners and that the Niners want him back. Those things could change but I doubt it.
But I think even you would admit that Alex is not thought of around the league as a top prize at qb,even if he were to shop himself. I think he would get a few looks .
Tim you don’t know that. Many are stating the contract is being held up due to FA signings and cap money ramifications. Did you ever think of that Tim.
BTW, yeah the rest of the league would rather sign a “top prize” QB such as MFlynn whose body of work is 2 games. Or what about KKolb last year’s “top prize” what does AZ think of him?!!
Hofer,
no need to get so sour. All season long you said this offense did not require AS to produce big numbers. Whether it’s the system or his limitations regardless, the rest of the league looks at him as limited and is not knocking down doors to sign him up.
And judging from how long it takes for Alex to feel comfortable in a NEW system, it it really in his best interest to sign the contract….
Bay, thanks for coming to Tim’s aid. I see the delay as a way to structure AS’s contract that is friendly to the FO so they can sign needed FA talent as appropriate. It’s already been stated numerous times that they (JH) want him and he wants to be here. Stay tuned.
Hofer,
Many who are saying that? Many Smithers. You clowns kill me. Why can’t you look in the mirror and just say it. “Alex just isn’t very good, no matter how much I pray!”
He’s waiting for the team to sign what they need and he will just take the crumbs. MM has already said the hangup is years and guarenteed money! Hofer says Alex just wants a 10 year deal and he’ll play for free!??!?!?!? Wake up Hofer.
Jordan,
We have to back off. I just realized that the Smithers are like the last 10 year old that hasn’t found out that Santa doesn’t exist.
That poor kid has nothing to go on but innocent faith. Maybe we should just let them and their elf ( DS ) believe. What can it hurt?
Bay, Jordo… I’m not a huge Smith fan either. I will sing hosannas when the 49ers finally lose this albatross.
He’s the best option in 2012 though. Sad but true.
Jordo, enjoy reading your comments and how they’ve come back to bite you here over the years. You’ve been so accurate with your “flavor of the month” QB (replacements) predictions and I look forward to hearing the whine this go round. lol
Yep,on a smart phone. But the label “idiot” may be valid nevertheless. :)
Ribco:
Yep, that East Coast bias. But in reality ,after last season they now often speak of the team as SB contenders and even favorites if we were to sign PM etc. But they have not really changed the attitude about Alex all that much,even though he was the qb for the team they now respect.
Agreed Rocket, they usually are not so blunt. Thats why I remember it, it raised my eyebrows.But I always try to describe those guys as “so called” experts, :)
the consistent winners are never the big shoppers in FA they draft very well and i expect baalkes fa signings to be as good as last yr and his drafting to be very astute
Yep. I’d have been upset if the 9ers were out acting like washington or dallas right now….teams are usually going to overpay for marquee names if they get’em early in free agency.
and all the so called experts in the world can talk about AS but he will be back and i expect harbaugh to get as much improvement out of him this yr as last
Eh,enough of Fitz…he even managed to ruin his own arguments. From how much love he has for Monta (and you know Ellis couldnt care less about Fitz) to calling Ellis the 3rd best offensice guard in the NBA. Yeah? the guy who didnt even make a backup in the All Star game for the west in seven years?
Fitz,Larry,Byrnes…KNBR corners the market on Loons.
he did season those comments with east coast bias….
guess the east coast bias argument could be countered with the lakers league persona…
then it just falls back the warriors are a small town market and ellis just doesn’t get his dues as a result of market size
wonder what it would have been like if koby had been picked by the warriors, assuming koby and his success stayed long term with the warriors…. would the east coast bias argument fall to the wayside
G.S. would’ve traded Kobe for Greg Odom, Sam Bowie, or maybe Jim Druckenmiller.
Look, that franchise isn’t just hopelessly incompetent, its cursed. Nobody’s THAT bad. Clearly, supernatural forces conspire against their every breath. They’re doomed.
Now that I’ve given my thoughts to their futility I’m contaminated. I’ll have to do a Sweat Lodge cure.
I hope we’ve signed Mario Williams & Mike Wallace when I get back. Yeah, Alex too.
Agreed Rocket,they are usually not so blunt in critisizing a player. Thats why I remembered it and why it raised my eyebrows. But that is why I always try to call those talking heads “so called experts”. :)
@tim if we are talking about michael irvin he is the biggest idiot on T.V. he used to defend terrell owens every move
agree
Merrill Hoge’s terribleness is underrated..
Too many hits.
Concerning the signings of Moss and Cox, two players with “character issues” to successfully utilize players like this needs a team with a coach who has complete control, i.e Belechik in N.E when Moss was breaking records.
Using Moss as further example when he was in Oakland – weak coach, Tennessee – Fisher was either gone or on his way = weak coach, his second spell in Minnesota – weak coach, San Francisco – Strong Coach, strong team chemistry, if Moss misbehaves then not only will the coaches turn on him, the whole team does too! the low cost here makes this a very worthwhile gamble, same with Cox (although obviously Cox is different in that his issues are off-field)
Harbaugh is comfortable enough with his authority to take these gambles, I think they will pay off, if not who cares! Best case scenario for Moss is playmaker gamebreaker, difference maker!! worst case scenario? He gets cut for not much $$.
Spot on D!
Sorry Hof. I didnt make up anything and you know I would never do such a thing. What you have personally against me I have no idea (except that I give my truthful opinion about Alex and you hate anyone who does that ?).I have no idea how to find the clip from nfl net or espn when M. Irvin (or whoever it was )said those words. Why would I lie ??? You can read or hear similar things on sports talk radio on nearly a daily basis, you know that. The vastly pevailing opinion about Alex is just about the same whoever is the speaker,at least outside the team . You know this , so why all the hate when I just post what I heard ? Come on Hof, we are both Ninets fans. Dwell on that and be friendly.
Tim, as much as you’ve been against AS (or his skill set) if someone said that, you would definitely remember *WHO* said it. Are you kidding me??! You would post the person’s name on every blog where you cut and paste your way through the internet. Keep looking Tim and so will I…
@hof
I saw Skip Bayless just pound AS over and over again. Of course Skip is a bleep bleeep bleep, so I don’t at all care about what he says.
Skip sounds a lot like bay and 23J quite frankly. All hate all the time. Anger management classes have not been working.
So, I don’t doubt the claims Tim says. I just doubt that they are accurate.
Tim, there is no hate, just a sense of unending frustration that you just simply cannot resist having a dig at Alex every time you post about him, we all know that you love him as a person, but you don’t rate him as a player, and i’m serious we ALL know that yet every post, time after time after time you poke and dig and snip about how your honest opinion is that he’s such a lovely beautiful person and you would gladly marry your daughter off to him in a heartbeat (if you have one) But sadly, oh so sadly your honest opinion is that he will never be a good Quarterback. So please stop, just stop.
Best Wishes
D. Clark
I searched the title block of the blog to see if it was D. Clark’s blog. NOPE it isn’t.
Don’t fall in line with the DS’s of the world and begin telling people what to post. Tim is entitled to post what he wants just as anyone else on the blog is. Unbelievable…..
Bay, don’t be so cynical. You know what Tim is about.
….Hof, don’t be so cynical. You know what Tim and Bay are about….
And D.Clark is entitled to tell TIM that his never ending repetitive posts are annoying.
Now Bay, i was nice, i said please, it was a request, not an order. Just a little frustration boiling over at having to read the same opinion over and over again. All i’m after is an interesting read about the team i support. And i’m finding Tim’s repeated opinion a trifle boring.
As you just said, everyone is entitled to post what they want, so I did.
And please don’t pidgeonhole me with DS.
Oneniner, you as well. lol
Appreciate that D. Clark.
Clark,
you are right. Lumping you in with DS is hitting below the belt…
No offense meant DS, If i’m honest most of the time i agree with what you say, it’s just that sometimes how you say it comes across as somewhat unbalanced.
That’s cool Clark
Just don’t expect too much balance when dealing with fans (AKA fanatics) and especially those of losing franchises. Which we have been for a long time until last year.
TIM:
How many people have to call you out before you realize it is you, not them? D.Clark just described 98% of the comments you post on this blog. Seriously, your schtick is old and tired.
….How come Shawntae Spencer has not been released????
They probably hope to trade him for a late draft pick, or keep him around for training camp depth.
How come you act like a 49er fan? And how come your dream boat hasn’t signed his contract? Your not fooling anyone stupid!
MD, Hilarious! BWAhahahah!!!!
And Hof:
I was one of the firdt to write that maybe since Alex is such a great team first guy that he may just be waiting to sign so the team can get all the fa done and then Alex could adjudt his contract to help with the cap. See we think alike quite a bit, if you can get passed the difference of opinion on Alexs skill level.
Hi Grant, Have you heard anything about Curtis Holocomb?
Hof: I said I thought it was M Irving but I also said there were nodding heads all around whoever it was ( you know how it is during those round table group talking head segments). I also said such similar opinions about Alex are common place, if not always so blunt,so I only mentiknef it because it was the latest and it was in the context of fa .
I as well as many others wonderedwhat the hell the front office was up to last year changing things up the way we did and it turned out to be a huge success,I have faith.
@drty
+1
When people write “In JH/TB I trust.” that means you need to ACTUALLY trust them.
And trust is not the same thing as “I agree.” There is a big difference. Yet a bunch of people here don’t know the difference.
Jim Harbaugh has given his full support to Michael Crabtree – says he’s a hard worker and brings a lot to the team. As you say, you must trust the man.
Afterall, Crabtree saved Christmas.
>>Jim Harbaugh has given his full support to Michael Crabtree – says he’s a hard worker and brings a lot to the team. As you say, you must trust the man.
And that is the *only* reason I’m giving MC a pass.
@ribico
I remember JH saying very good things about Adam Snyder and Josh Morgan and Costanzo as well.
But none of them are on the team anymore. And it seems as if Ginn won’t be either.
Just because JH says nice things about players does not automatically mean all the players will be back next year. I mean that would pretty much be impossible. Unless you don’t draft anybody or pick anybody up, all the players who end a season will not come back the following year. Turnover of personnel will happen.
BS,
Think about all the nice things JH said about your american idol! Elite Alex, he’s not with the team either. Oh thats right, he donated his entire salary to free agents this year so he could sign a 5 year $2 a year contract. Smith, always thinking team.
Lonely 23J?
I understand why. You suck. Nobody wants to converse with you, so you just tag along following my posts.
Get your own ideas. King, ruler, emperor of BS.
BSXYZ123456DSL,
How about a vacation? Why not ask Cohn for a job. You could be his site moderator. You’re up here 24-7! Do you ever sleep, go to the toilet or eat? You’re too stupid about football to add so much dumb information. Your insights are weak and you are a clueless Smith jock sniffer. Is that the aroma of his jock that keeps you up both day and night. I’d advise you to get a life. That way, you won’t have to worry about whther people exchange with you or not.
I don’t have the time or the need to post here every 2 minutes, every day. On the other hand, you are addicted to this blog. Unfortunately, you don’t know crap about football, as evidenced by your sophmoric posts about the players and the game.
Give us all some releif and just shut your computer down and disappear. I can get a list together of people here who would appreciate that. Thank You. AND DONT READ MY POSTS! BWAHQAHAHAHAHAHA!
23J, your fired up! Maybe the 49ers could hire you to be the guy who slaps Alex shoulder pads before the games.
@FDM
23J is a very lonely mad man sitting in his dark stanky basement.
Hof;
I also agree with you about JJ not coming here. He has said he would love to play for JH again but if Alex and Kaep are here he would probably not see much opportunity here. Maybe if Alex leaves ?
Tim,
Make up your mind where you stand. All the backhanded compliments you give Smith. You’re a fool if you think anyone here like the man. I don’t mince words. I hate Alex SMiths game. Watching him play the position makes me sick. He does not have IT! Never will. Now try that on for size. They may call you a hater, but at least they will respect you more and not consider you as a fraud!
D Clark:
I dont hate Alex. I want better for my team than what he seems able to give. But imho I am very fair to Alex and just post what I see. When Alex does well I say so with a happy heart. I widh I could report great things about him all the time but I dont lie.
DeSean gets $48.5M for the 5 year deal with the Eagles
good for him.
Eagles just signed d jax to a long term deal.
Come on DS , be nice !
I was.
The notion going on was that you are lying. I don’t think that. I just think your opinion and that panels is wrong.
That is cool. Blogs are here for such discussion. At least I am here for that.
BS,
We know you’re here BS. ALl damn day and night. Take a vacation.
Mario Manningham is visiting the 49ers Thursday
Here’s an idea for the Manning situation. Since the Cards have until friday to make a decision on Kolb the Niners should make a late push for Peyton just to force Arizona’s hand. Maybe we can keep him out of the NFC west.
hoping the site keeps things in order…. but responding to grime
on peyton….how much weight will he put on being indoors or outdoors as far as his throwing effectiveness goes especially since it appears no one really knows about his arm strenght….will it be weighted more than each of those teams have good running games…
I think winning a SB is Peyton’s top priority. 9ers=best chance. He would have to at least consider. Again I’m skeptical on his arm as well but we can force the Cards to either cut or re-sign Kolb before they know what Manning will do.
Laurent Robinson > Mario Manningham > Brandon Lloyd.
grant i think robinson would cost more than manningham who would cost more than loyd……baalke wo’nt get into a bidding war for any of those 3
Manningham>Robinson
Did you not watch the Superbowl? Robinson is a 1 yr wonder to this point. Manningham has played bigtime winning football in a media circus for a tough head coach. His game is big.
Manningham played well against the 9ers last year.
That’s how I’d rank my interest in them too Grant. I think Robinson would be a great fit in this offense personally.
None of the above.
Too bad Robinson is no longer available
ageed
GC, sounds good but can the 9er FO land one of them. They’ve done quite well with the defense and not so much with the offense that needs weapons at WR and RB. It is still a big *if* regarding RMoss and what his contributions will be this year. Disappointing but not over yet…
It’s tricky because I doubt they want to make a Robinson, Manningham or Lloyd the highest paid receiver on the team. They probably want the cheapest one of the three – they just have to figure out who that is. That’s my guess.
i think you’re right
Lloyd has a chance to sign here. Manningham is just testing the waters. At this point we should find our next receiver through the draft….
Grant, did anyone every come out and give details regarding Gore’s injuries last year? He really didn’t look right for a good part of the season. Just curious….
Also wondering if we are happy with our stable of RB’s or do you think we will draft one? Either way I’d like to see Hunters pitch count go up to 12-15 carries per game.
Details have not come out about Gore.
I do expect them to draft or sign a big runningback (220+ lbs.) to compete with Dixon for the third RB job.
“a”
Not you too…
C’mon Grant! When you get home to the CohnZone today, ask your dad about the mysterious, superfluous “a” that has become part of the NFL eunuch-pundit lexicon since the arrival of Mayock!!!!
The thing about BLloyd is that he is very MC-like. I’d rather see one of the other two. Seems to be a good draft for finding talent in the mid rounds for WR and RB this year.
Agree. The more I think about it, Marvin Jones seems like a better option than all of the remaining 2nd tier free agent wide receivers.
Marvin Jones would be good in the mid rounds, but 2nd round is a reach for him
Grant, you sure you’re not looking for “a” Marvin Jones?
I never wrote that.
manningham would be a good signing and would’nt break the bank
@old coach
True he wouldn’t break the bank, but just from the two games we played it was clear he was the third option in the Giant offense. Can he be a 1 or 2?
More importantly Andrew, can he improve his hands?
D Clark.
If you will notice I was replying to other fans with almost all my posts today, not repeating things over and over, unless I was asked or was attacked unfairly about my opinions and felt I should claify. But if for some sad reason any fan hates another fan, all they need to do is not read the posts from that prrson. no need to attack other fans. See simple ! Be happy, we as Niner fans have a lot to be happy about! No need to attack each other. That is like drunk fans attacking and fighting with other fans on game day at the Stick. Makes no sense to me,at least not among adults .
I’ll drink to that….<>>
Apologies if i caused upset, but i hold to my opinion that your stuff gets pretty damn repetitive. Sorry
@Tim
“But if for some sad reason any fan hates another fan, all they need to do is not read the posts from that prrson. no need to attack other fans”
I disagree with you a lot, but there is nothing to disagree with in your quote here. If 2 people don’t mesh, fine. Don’t read one anothers posts.
But, that does not happen. One of the two will read the others posts and get all upset about what that person wrote. It is like they want to fight. I know pretty much what each regular is going to say about most things on the Niners. If I know I don’t like what somebody says or how they say it, then I am just punishing myself for reading/replying to it. And probably bringing the rest of the blog down in the process.
@tim i respect your opinion of smith you sound alot like i used to sound. the difference between you and i now….is that i believe harbaugh will get as much improvement from smith this year as he did last yr. i think he took smith from being a D level QB to a B- QB last year and i think he will raise him to a B+ level this yr. i think with our D and a B+ level QB and improved receivers we will be in the super bowl
Coach,
where was that improvement specifically? If you look at the eagles game ( boo game ) from last year, Alex’s stats are the same this year from last year. In fact, some of his stats from that point last year through the end of the season last year are a tad bit higher than this year. Even turnovers. So where specifically did Harbaugh improve Smith? Even Smith red zone numbers where better last year versus this year. So if you thought he was a D last year but had slightly worse stats this year, how is this years play rated a B-?
Not trying to be a smart ass, just curious since you threw those grades out….
@bay i think maybe my opinion of smith 2 yrs ago might be much lower than yours. he wasnt jamarcus russell bad but i think he was pretty damn bad. he made horrible mistakes that cost us game after game. he cut those mistakes out almost completely and won about 4 or 5 games in the 4th quarter this yr he still wasnt good enough on 3rd down and the red zone but i expect harbaugh to really coach him up in those areas this yr
Smith was better in the Red Zone this year towards the end when the play calling got better and he has historically been good in the zone (or so I have heard). He was excellent all season when asked to win the game. From Week 17 on he appeared to have solved his problem with go routes down the sidelines.
What I think he has not done is throw the ball to receivers who aren’t open and hope they make a play. Moss is the kind of guy with whom Smith could learn to do that should Moss return to form. Lloyd too. And Smith learning that would go a long way toward solving the 3rd down issue and making Crabtree more productive.
Of course, this is just speculation that will be confirmed or invalidated next season.
@dr
“From Week 17 on he appeared to have solved his problem with go routes down the sidelines.”
I would add one thing to that dr. AS completed those passes when he needed to complete them.
In Seattle, AS had to make a play to help the Niners win the game. He threw a perfect pass to MC and MC made the best catch of his NFL career.
I think AS makes the throws when he needs to make them. Grant kind of touched on it earlier. AS plays differently when the Niners are behind or need a play than he does when he has a lead.
Where I disagree with Grant is that I think JH is in AS’s ear telling him to do this and that. And if the play isn’t open, don’t be stupid and throw the Int. Our ST and defense are all world, and we will get another chance later. Unless it is near the end of the game, when we may not get that chance, he turns AS loose and we had 6 comeback wins vs. 4 losses.
This past year when Alex was behind center I had the feeling he was going to do it. Other years I was waiting for the hit that caused a fumble or the mistimed interception. Fans that aren’t biased can see it. If he has the same progress in year two there will no longer be an issue.
To further my point the instinct I had before KW touched the ball was “Oh No, Just catch the Ball”. Alex knows he’s crossed a hurdle and he wants to be paid, and why not? Stiffs are getting big bucks.
Bay:
I think we need to upgrade Dixon’s spot and also draft Gores replacement if they think Hunter cant carry a starters load.
I just don’t know if Boobie got a fair chance.
Doug Martin!
Or Turbin
I think Dixon has gotten a fair chance. He still doesn’t hit the hole that hard for his size. He still dances behind a line before he hits the hole. If he would learn to be a one cut runner, he could be similar or lesser version of Adrian Foster.
Interesting that ADix ran a 4.5 40 at the combine and never uses it by running north to south.
Agree, he does not move the pile consistently.
Tolbert ?
Orton and Carr,the CB,are now Cowpies.
Off subject and speculating a bit. Anyone else think that JH and TB just might blow up the entire WR core, including Crabs? Maybe offer him in trade during draft time to move u, or for a 2nd or 3rd rounder. I don’t believe for a second that they love this guy. I don’t know the financial ramifications though.
It’s not out of the question. TB did state that MC has to prove he is a number one and based on the dollars being thrown out to WRs via FA this year, better to move on now rather than later. Hmm.
Another thought, if they were making a move for MW, that would exactly be the thing to do. Get another 2nd round pick since their number one would go to Pit and they’ve been hoarding cap money so they could still sign MW. A combo of RM, MM, MW with VD and DW wouldn’t be too shabby.
Hofer says, “based on the dollars being thrown out to WRs via FA this year, better to move on now rather than later.”
Hofer, that makes no sense right now. They need to get to a point where they have 5 decent receivers before trading one, especially if it is only for a draft pick.
As you mention the pay for WR and the FA market is quite high, so why move Crabtree now. Use him as much as possible at his current salary then if he wants too much later you let him go. Squeeze all the value you can first.
@hof
I don’t think MC is going to get you a 2nd round pick.
The financial problem I see with MC is that if he stinks this year, then we will have paid him another year. And if we dump him then, we still have to pay something against the cap for the following year.
But if MC does ok next season, sticks around and is “All world” in 2013, then what do you do? Do you bet that he made good on his potential at long last, or is he having a great contract year like AF did in 2009?
But, if you let him go now, and make a big play for Wallace, you take the cap hit this year (still save $1 million), but that opens up $6+ million for Wallace next year (MC’s salary cap hit) in 2013. The only issue is trying to free up enough money for this year.
But, maybe it is still possible. I think I heard on ESPN that if a team gets Wallace, they can construct the signing bonus in such a way that a big chunk is paid by the Steelers for 2012. So, the Niners could actually have the Steelers pay a big chunk of Wallaces earned income for this season, and then use the money that is opened up by MC’s release to help pay for Wallace’s salary in 2013. Then of course in 2014, the salary cap goes up and they can give him a nice 3rd year pay.
I can imagine seeing Moss on one end. Wallace (faster the Jackson in Philly and a better all out WR as well) on the other, and VD running the seam. Have FG and KH in the backfield. And the stadiums janitorial service will have to be at hand to clean up the mess left on the field by the defenders pissing and pooping in their pants.
Woodside – So your saying Harbaugh was lying when he praised Crabtree most of the season? Maybe your right, he was trying to increase his trade value the whole time? Why didn’t I think of that?
Woodside -Alex must be on the block too since Harbaugh said he was playing like an elite QB. Right?
Crab, missed you yesterday – GC started with a music theme and someone missed the great JHend. I mentioned that was you 9er pre-game music. lol
Hofe – Thanks bro! Did you see my JM/MC comments about you earlier? Thought you might ignore me for a while :-)….It took me weeks to get over the loss to Giants. Weeks man!
Crab, you were right man! I will miss JMorg and so will the offense. Let’s hope the replacements pan out.
BTW, I’ve been easier on MC just for you! LOL
Should have been “move up”.
I would love Manningham more so than the other WRs the 9ers have talked to. He’s a clutch WR and a good fit for our team if he doesn’t cost too much. I really like Lloyd but he would add one too many diva WRs on the team- plus I think he was using us too gain leverage with the Patriots. Robinson might be more in our price range though.
Woodside:
I highly doubt they trade Crabs but anything is possible.He was our top wr last year and truth be told he played well enough that he should have had over 1000 yards. If Moss or another wr can get the heat that will free up Crabs to be what I think he is,a #2 wr who can be a first down making machine.
Please refer to the body of the text. I just posted breaking news which I scooped.
Nice GC. At least at this point make something up. LOL
Holy Cr@p – exciting turn of events there!!!!
:-)
BREAKING NEWS: 2:16 Further development on Alex Smith: No development. Good one, I wished Peyton would sign so will see if another team is desperate and interested in Alex can’t pull the trigger Smith.
Neal,
I wish the Niners would wait until Peyton returns to Miami, then pull a Stephen Ross and send the corp. plane out to Ross’ backyard to get Manning and discuss the possibility of him becoming a Niner.
Payback for the time when Ross made a huge deal about going after Harbaugh right as he was about to sign the dotted line with us.
@ Grant
NFL network is reporting that Carlos Rogers signed a 4 year 31.1 million dollar contract to come back to SF. Can you confirm this?
That’s true, but the structure of the contract has not been released yet.
lol….Where have you been?
Thanks Grant. JS, busy night with the rain. We didn’t get to veg out at the station watching ESPN, so we are in the rig trying to get updates while we wait for the next call.
well shoot, now i feel bad. good luck and get dry.
Not signed yet just agreed.
As I said before Hof. that is a very likely reason Alex and the team are holding off.Alex is a team guy and is the kind of guy who would not care that everyone is speculating about his contract situation and wondering why the team might be playing hardball with him.Its Alexs personality to care more about team than worry about some negative gossip about him and free agency.
Tim,
Use your head man. Why would Jed say the ball is in Smiths court if the team and Smith had an agreement. Don’t listen to Hofer. He is in love with Alex, not the Niners. He has an offer and something about it has him hesitant and not signing it. The last thing he and the team has is an agreement.
Tom Condom, is that you?
Tom Condon, is that you?
Grant, please delete my post from today at 5:16 A.M. Thanks.
Who likes to post comments when their drinking?
I think AS is testing the market. Not waiting to give the niners that big hometown discount after everyone signs. I do believe he will be back next year. If not then CK next man up.
Mario Williams is leaving Buffalo according to Pro Football Talk. He’s now back in play.
giving tennessee a chance to make a decision on peyton
I’m really going to miss Ginn returning kicks if he signs with the Lions. I don’t like the Lions anymore.
I think he’ll be a huge loss to this team.. the STs were one of the reasons why we were so successful. Kyle Williams just doesnt cut it returning punts.
If the Niners do their job in getting quality receivers, Williams won’t make it past August. Tedd Ginn is a really bad receiver.
TG jr. is a mediocre WR, but it appears they are undervaluing him as a returner. He is a spectacular returner and that position is one spot where they can afford to have a specialized player.
Ginn is one of those rare players that is a game changer.
Ginn wants to be a receiver though. He has a chance at that with the Lions.
The Bucs are sure putting their huge cap space to great use !
Cardinals are close to signing Snyder, according to Schefter.
Looks like your prediction about him from yesterday came true Grant. Here’s hoping Snyder keeps to his tradition of inconsistency(meaning one good year followed by a bad year).
Adam Snyder to AZ…five year deal per ESPN…
Losing Snyder to Arizona hurts worse than losing Morgan. Never good to lose a good player like that within your own division.
Not really Jack. He was never able to solidly his position as a starter. He’s a good backup, but not for starter money.
MidWestNiner,
Snyder was a much bigger contributor to the teams success in 2011 than Josh Morgan. He really solidified things when he stepped in. Remember that sack fiasco in Baltimore? That started because Snyder had to leave early with a leg injury.
Glad I’m not the only one really bummed about Snyder leaving.
He’s a good dude though so at least I’m happy to see him get starter’s money.
I agree that Snyder was a big contributor to the the team in 2011, but he has a history of following a good year of play with a bad year. It’s one of the reasons he couldn’t beat out Rachal until this season.
@midwest
I disagree. Snyder had a good year a few years back playing guard. Then the Niners tried him out at RT, and he was not very good. Personally, I don’t think his arms are long enough. If he had faced Aldon Smith, he would have been schooled.
But, as a guard, I thought he was pretty decent. Whatever he had/did to help Davis so much more better be present in his replacement, otherwise, our offense won’t improve at all.
Snyder now can officially go into the Justin Smiley, Kyle Kosier file.
I still think Williams was a bright spot on the team last season. Sure he had a disasrerous nfc championship game but who knows how well he might do at pr if he got a whole camp and preseason to get used to the job ? Either way, he is imho a very quick and fast and reliable receiver MUCH better than Ginn.
Will be long gone if the Niners really upgrade that position.
Totally agree TIM, I hope that he can use the memories of that Championship game to motivate himself to new levels, because i’m sure he has the talent. He could be a devastating slot receiver if all goes well.
He’s got a history of concussions. He’s had four. Kyle Williams has a very shaky future in this league.
Im not sure if William’s problems are something that can be learned and practiced. He hasn’t looked real confident both years he has been back there returning. He can stand back and eye balls punted to him all day and might get a little better but its more of an instinctual thing and you either have it or don’t.
Here is what I want Williams as if he is still on the team. He can be a slot receiver and KR. However, do not let him do PR duties. His decision making even since college has shown itself to be poor and questionable in critical situations that can cost their teams. He has a record of it at Arizona State and now with the 49ers.
I you tube Williams and he also made a few buffoon plays in college returning punts. One he caught on his 8 or 9 yard line, he fumbled and a defensive guy caught the fumble and return it for a touch down. He is done in the NFL.
Might be old News but Manningham is coming tomorrow to SF.
Grant,
Will the Niners continue to hold training camp in S.C. with the construction of the new stadium going on?
Absolutely. It’s a pain to move it out.
Is that hill Singletary built still there? The shin splint hill.
No Stan, it got levelled a few weeks ago. One of the first things to go to prepare for the construction.
With Snyder signing with the Cardinals, does this mean the 49ers are fine with Kilgore? or they are looking at cheap options in FA or wait for the draft?
They’re looking a one-year contracts with older free agents who used to be elite, like Leonard Davis. Trying to squeeze one more good season for cheap before turning the job over to Kilgore.
Check out a current roster Guard named Garrett Chisolm. Good size, great story about him in YahooSports and here http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Garrett_Chisolm
What’s the status on Robinson?
According to Josh Ellis, a Cowboys reporter for the Dallas Cowboys Star Magazine, the going rate for Robinson is up to $6 million per year. That’s probably too steep for Baalke and the Niners.
Will Manningham be much cheaper? I think that Super Bowl 4Q catch has gotten to his head a bit.
Mt. Davis and Manningham would be nice pick ups.
Also… very glad Carlos is sticking around. Secondary sounds solid. Don’t know much about Parrish Cox so we’ll have to see how that goes.
Manningham would be a better get than Lloyd. I haven’t followed Laurent Robinson much so I can’t really gauge that one properly.
Moss, Crabs, Manningham, Williams, Walker and Davis sounds pretty stout to me, maybe Fleener in the draft? Good grief that would sound pretty sweet. I agree with Grant’s earlier point on Williams: He’s working on borrowed time, another concussion or two and he’s done.
Grant! When they work out Leonard Davis can you see if they throw the ball to see if he has good hands? LOL
As for everybody else, i think we need to be more patient with FA. Last year everybody was complaining about the FA pickups last year and the majority of them worked out in our favor, so let’s keep the faith!
Absolutely right, Danny! Good call.
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the 9ers only need to replace ginn as a PR kendall hunter is an outstanding KR
rather keep him fresh as Gore’s backup
Robinson just signed with the Jaguars for five years, $32.5 million.
beat me to it
Robinson to Jaguars 5 yrs 32 mil.
These Tier 2 receivers are expensive.
Seriously! I think they’re dime a dozen. Let’s draft smart Baalke.
They could draft Coby Fleener in the first and Marvin Jones in the second.
No kidding. That is pricey. I think they may be done shopping for WR’s and will look to the draft for depth. I can’t see Manningham settling for what the Niners will want to give him.
The Jags and their approach at the receiver position continues to amaze me
Problem using drafted receivers is their lack of experience. The 9ers used practice squad guys during the playoffs. Can they still do a MW?
At least Marvin Jones played four years in college.
I like Fleener. More TEs = more versatility.
at this point wallace is a pipe dream….
niners i suspect could not structure a contract pitt couldn’t match in their own structured way……
pats and baltimore was spoken about as possibilities and was also noted probably could hold off a pitt retort to the structure….
also cinn was another theory put forward since they have two 1st rounders…but ….
GC, I can’t believe the 9ers want to go into OTAs with MC, RM (risk), KW, and a couple of drafted guys? This wouldn’t be an immediate improvement over last year 1st game WRs.
So you think they’ll make it happen with Manningham?
If not, they are targeting MW which I doubt.
I’d expect Manningham to want what Robinson got – five years, ~$30 million. Isn’t that what you expect?
Jags have a new owner, give him a couple of years and the spending will stop.
does seem to me at this point in time the actions taken by the niners put back some credence into picking fleener in the 1st round since after all JH has been tagged as a TE/RB power centric offense
now that their CB positions have been filled and the teams strong suite defensive unit essentially intact, also think they do pick up an inexpensive OL person as well in FA…i again fall back onto my initial position niners used FA to make their assigned drafting positions more controllable i.e. moving up or down in the draft if they are targeting specifics like a fleener and a RB and another guard in the top half of the draft
KW’s leverage just got a little stronger in the short term as well if manningham is not attained….and maybe by design with this coaching staff and baalke
Did Schilens sign with anyone yet?
No he’s working out with the Jets tomorrow.
Why would the Niners sign the injury-prone Schilens when they could draft Michael Calvin in the sixth or seventh round? Calvin is 6-3, 215 lbs. and he ran a 4.32 at Cal’s Pro Day today.
I’m with you Grant.
Schilens better not cross the bay..Reggie would cut him in a split second.
Agree.. Can we please stay away from Schilens?
I don’t know that guy, Calvin, but with those numbers will he last to Rd 6/7?
He rarely started at Cal – he played behind Jones and Allen – but he’s talented.
He’s very unpolished but we have good coaches here.
Dont you think its odd that Hue settled fo rsuch a lowly position with the Bengals? I would have thought with his resume- his success at Baltimore,his big improvement as OC in Oaklands offense and then his near playoff run as HC..he would have wanted and waited for better?
OR..you think rumors of some weird hi jinx in Oakland by Hue …even convinced Hue to lay low?
Sometimes you need to step back before you move forward. I wish Hue luck. We need more black coaches.
Hue Jackson’s resume took a big hit after last season.
@Stan
What near playoff run as HC?
Hue blew it bigtime. He screwed the Raiders over with that stupid trade. Now supposedly Leinart is coming to replace JC?
You had 1 winning QB, and now you are getting 2 losing QB’s. Not a good exchange there.
He’s definitely not a good G.M. But he’s a great offensive coach.
Hue got too power crazy after Al passed away. The man is a good Coach but made some questionable decisions in regards to the trade and game management; then completed his implosion when he threw everybody under the bus at his season ending press conference.
He’s a good offensive play caller. He’ll never be a head coach again, I’d bet.
I just threw that out there, I don’t see that one happening.
Although… this last season he actually played all but one game. :P
I’d say it’s full-court press on Manningham. Still wouldn’t hurt to pick up a wideout in the draft.
Why would Calvin be drafted in the 6th or 7th round.? He has size and speed, how is his hands any weaknesses. Also Lloyd can’t be that expensive?
With the prevalence of spread passing offenses in college there are lots of WRs available in the draft. you can find gems in every round.
Why don’t we take a look at Eddie Royal . Can’t he return punts as well?
Yup. except there’s a bidding war between Washington and SD. Baalke ain’t getting involved in that.
I think he was picked up already. Washington?
just saw report he’s talking to SD now.
Not yet. Wash wants him bad, ole Shanny boy drafted him. He’s still available.
Let’s hope that Manningham leaves the Bay Area tomorrow with a contract in tow…a wide-out corps of Crabs, Moss and KW doesn’t instill confidence in me…but in Harbaugh and Cousin Baalke I trust…
Let’s go get Ben Grubbs…to tell us where to go when he hears our offer.
Relax, Rocket. Heck, China has built a big economy based on cheap labor, maybe that’s the plan. : > )
@brotha
That China plan falls apart once the Americans stop buying things.
China needs the US a lot more than people think.
Besides, who is the US in your analogy?
Labor surplus is a tennet of our capitalist system as well. Force workers to compete with each other to keep labor costs down.
argument falls apart….china can internalize and redirect a % of their exports inwards to sustain their industrial machine if and when U.S. decides to slack off as a pointed tool action….
did use the cheap labor to jump start that big sucking sound and now with so much IP knowledge at their disposal plus a plethora of hackers china can take their actions indoors so to speak….
china needs europe more…china only needs to support U.S. enough to get returns on the bonds they bought…
lived there, managed there, seen it
Obama sucks. That’s all. Buahahaahahaaaa
I was just making a bad joke Bro. I’m fine with how they are approaching this.
…ninermd…..Obama will win re-election…..and Hillary 2016…….Buahahaahahaaaa dat sucker!!!!!!!
Uh……I didn’t have the US in mind……just a throw-away tavern joke (although Happy Hour is still 90 minutes off at my house).
This one’s like a Lucky bottle cap; don’t over-think it. :> )
just meant they’re working on a low payroll, and just kidding at that. same as my Wal-Mart and American Pickers quips earlier….. trying to keep it light during FA madness
my bad….dark energy vs dark matter fiasco came to mind again…
jg
Get over yourself. The fact you blew your fuse over that is really sad.
Besides, every expert on the most respected news show on TV NEWSHOUR has said the same thing I did.
If you have an issue, take it up with those who know a lot more than you or me.
@jg
zall good. Sometimes I think I can get away with silly statements just by putting a smiley face after them. Perhaps if I told better jokes…….
Does remind me tho, for all of us, what Stevie wrote on his t-shirt:
‘Why so serious?’
No harm done brotha.
jg just can’t get over a post some 4 months ago or so. He takes this blog too seriously.
: – )
come on DS, no fuse is blown here, and sadly who really takes things too seriously and is full of themselves in a pompous windbag sort of way….. u as is typical make comments like you just did and try to pass them off as you being in tune with global aspects of the economy in a supportive twist of a football discussion ….
… then you go running to hide behind your TV sponsored experts as though i have nothing to offer as an actual participant in china’s economic growth as a manger of chinese engineers …..
u take what you want from my comments….but let’s be clear you do remain by definition a blowhard and you tried to assert your headiness with a previously and wrongly learned knowledge about dark matter as a linchpin to why the universe is expanding …. then tried to pass it off as an honest mistake that even professors are guilty of….
all this after an out of nowhere in-game blog about your dna ….
just sayin you have something to say about everything…and you have every right to do what you do … including taking criticism …. so take it like a deep space species….do what you want to do just understand it is all about perspective….
jg
How long are you going to remember this BS?
If you had professors that never mis-spoke, did they speak?
The blowhard is you. Telling me that I can’t reply to your posts. Maybe you spent too much time in China.
And, even if you were in China, the Chinese government along with the “experts” who actually are “experts” have said the same thing. It’s great you have your own opinion. But if you think somebody who has never met you is going to take your word over that of the experts on the NEWSHOUR, newspapers, their own family, then you’re mistaken. Perhaps you can appear on the NEWSHOUR as another voice. Go for it.
Go on over to their blogs and argue it with them.
P.S. Nobody but you cared about dark matter. Maybe you are taking a fun football blog too seriously.
good luck to u niner fan, clearly u are trying to have the last word defending yourself…i don’t believe i said you can’t reply to my post
@jg
Don’t make me go all BigP on you. You have. On more than one occasion.
JG,
Ouch, that really hurt. Hopefully DS, i mean BS will recover and apologize for that lashing. I hurt for it on that one…. Not so much.
Peyton signed with K.C. Peyton Hillis that is.
Maybe he’ll have a better year now that he’s not the Madden coverboy.
Did he get his FBI clearance?
Laurent Robinson signed w/JAX. 5 yr/32.5 mil
Hey kids – have one half a year out of 5 with decent production and you too can get $6 million per year.
The first week of free agency is always nuts. #2 receivers are being paid like #1s and #1s are getting quarterback money.
Can’t we consider R.Moss OUR WR free agent aquisition?
I don’t see anymore fishing in F/A waters for a WR. If we can get T.Streeter or Dwight Jones in the 3rd or possibly 4th rd, we may have a strong corps of WR’ for the future. A week ago, the thought of making a pitch for Dw.Jones would have given me cause for concern, but that is no longer the case in the wake of the Moss and Cox signings.
I believe that Harbaugh and Trent were thoroughly pleased with Moss’ workout on Monday, and who better to make an educated decision on Moss then Harbaugh who was the QB. I can see K.Williams occassionally playing the ‘slot’ and maybe the same could hold true for D.Walker.
The defense will likely NOT load the box when Moss is in the line-up, so with this scenario, even Vernon could move to the slot occassionally. Alex (he will sign), may not need to force the long ball and throw it only to keep the defense honest.
The opportunities to throw to a wide range of Receiver’s will become endless. Any QB would be chomping at the bit for a chance at this offense once Harbaugh works all the pieces together.
C’mon 2012!
AES, hear ya but based on your comment the 9ers are setting themselves up for playing inexperienced rookies. If RM doesn’t last the year, it is even a worse scenario than this last year’s playoff corps.
I agree. The Moss thing is genius if it works, if it’s Braylon Edwards pt 2 (in the context of injury?)
Man-o-man, that could be a disaster.
I think Manningham makes it a win. Possibly a well-schooled rookie (but the odds aren’t good) might make it work but…
Dunno. Moss on his own with Crabs is genius if it works – but it’s a HUGE gamble. I’d feel better with Manningham in the mix.
Not really Hofe. Crabtree, D.Walk, VD, K.Williams and now RM are not rookies. Moss is the X-factor in all this, and any rookie WR’ will likely receive minimum action.
But hey Hofe, hasn’t the perception around here been that if Fleener is drafted that he would receive playing time as a rookie? And if that assumption rings true, why does Fleener get ‘cred’ as a rookie while others are viewed as ‘inexperienced?’
Maybe i’m reading to much into your comment?
@Adam
The RM contract is pure genius. No guaranteed money. So if RM acts up, the Niners can cut him at any point and not take any salary cap hit.
I was against getting RM until I found that out. Knowing that, it is a no lose situation.
The way I saw it, they could cut him before the season starts without paying him, but you could be right.
Here’s the “lose” for me. Let’s say, for whatever reason, he doesn’t work out. Injury, attitude, whatever. What are we left with? We’d be scrambling trying to replace him in the 11th hour. But who’s left out there? You’d be left with Crabs, Hastings and Williams and probably a project draft pick. I mean… I’d love for Hastings or a new rookie to come out of nowhere and blow the doors off but the odds of that are pretty long.
I don’t see a reunion with Brandon Lloyd, that to me looks like due diligence. But… Manningham? Hmm… could be pricey but that guy has sticky hands, man. Moss blowing the covers off deep routes, Crabs in camp getting more comfortable and a guy like Manningham in the mix? Yikes.
I don’t know. I can’t second guess these guys (although the Cox signing baffles me a bit) so I’ll just leave it there. They haven’t disappointed thus far.
I agree on the genius thing. Brian Baldinger said the same thing earlier: Best value by far is the Moss deal. I guess I’d just like a little insurance in case it blows up.
@Adam
I think I was watching ESPN when they were talking about the RM contract. If memory serves (memory pills may be getting low) I am pretty sure they said that the Niners can drop RM during the season, and not owe him anything. Of course he still gets paid for the weeks he was on the team, but there is no financial burden what so ever on the team if they want to drop RM.
The only risk would be if RM has planted a growing seed in the locker room that destroys the unity that made us so good last year.
But, in JH I trust. So, I will trust he can handle the situation appropriately if it happens. And ideally it never does and the Niners offense becomes very dangerous with him on our way to a 6th Lombardi.
Still, it seems like they’re committing to him as a starter. So if he busts, it won’t hurt them financially but it will hurt them competitively.
You could be right Grant. If you are and RM is and he does well, then the Niners got the best FA pickup in the NFL.
But, I don’t see RM being much of a blocker. Maybe being out of football for a year will make him a little more angry and he will take it out and beat up the CB (non-bounty-gate way) as KH and FG run past.
Of course, I thought Spencer was a good could be great CB a few years ago and that TB stank. So, there is a reason why I am home and not actually the one making the decisions.
Manningham has outproduced Robninson in less seasons, between the two I’d much rather have Mario. My WR wish list consisted of VJ, Meachem and Manningham so I’d be quite pleased if we landed him. I’d like to see Moss in the X, Crab in the slot and Manningham at the Z with VD sprinting up the seam!
Who needs WRs when you could have VD,DW, and CF in a bunch to one side. Defenses will crap they’re pants!
oops “Their”
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OK- I tried-I went to CSN’s site to see what Ann,Matt,Ray,and whoelse..had to say about the trade. Couldnt find anything. The usual website ways of smiling faces you click on and get newest scribblings? Not at CSN..No listing of writers to the right,nothing about “our columnists”..just a horrid jumble of video clips…days old.
And when I did type “Ann Killion” into search I got her July ’11 on how Harbaugh and the 49ers have a terrible season coming up as first story.
Terrible design.
The 49ers are interested in Eddie Royal, according to Barrows. Royal is scheduled to meet with the Chargers this week, but if he doesn’t sign a contract with them, he might be interested in the Niners. He’s 25 years old, 5-10, 185 lbs. He’s a slot receiver, so if the Niners sign him it means they’re comfortable with Crabtree at flanker and Moss starting at split end, most likely.
@Grant
Do you think that RM can be a starter? And by that I mean stay in the game the whole time. Blocking on running plays.
I also have some concern on his conditioning. He might be in good shape, but is he in good enough football shape to last the full season? I don’t think so.
No, I think Moss is a situational player. He’d be good in three-receiver sets and one-receiver sets. But in two receiver sets, it would be better to put Crabtree at the X and someone like Joshua Morgan at the Z.
So you see RM blocking half the time as best he can on every play?
I don’t know if you noticed, but I am not so high on MC after the playoffs and interview. But, the guy has done the best job he can blocking.
Not that it is a big deal to me most of the time. Because Niner WR’s have always been good blockers on running plays. But with RM I don’t know. But of course he never had JH and the realization that this is likely his last stop.
Papa the other day said that situational player/decoy was what Moss hated under Turner.
Maybe Harbaugh is crossing his fingers that Moss will be his No. 1 receiver this year, kind of like how Jerry Rice was the Raiders No. 1 receiver on their Super Bowl team back when Harbaugh was one of their assistant coaches.
If Harbaugh is thinking Randy “I play when I wanna play” Moss is anything like Jerry Rice then I will lose all faith in him.
Also, do you know if anybody has shown public interest in Wallace?
All silent.
Kind of like what happens just before a Tsunami hits.
Teams aren’t in a hurry to hand out a huge contract while also giving up a 1st round pick. There’s a reason you rarely see RFA’s change teams.
The way they are approaching WR this year seems very similar to what was reprtedly happening with the CB spot last year. Kick the tires on the big money guys then actually buy the less expensive option that will give you the same thing.
My guess for receiver is that they pass on Lloyd, Manningham, Royal and end up with a guy like Early Doucet. Good slot guy with toughness.
My gut tells me they are going to sign a receiver in FA, and pick one up in the draft. I don’t think they would be comfortable with 2 of their 5 receivers being rookies.
Didn’t Doucet and Goldson throw punches at each other during a game at Candlestick this season?
@ Grant
Like Aldon & Gore trading slaps?
When its Gametime, you know who you’re going to war with. They’d have each others’ back, (just as soon as they’d both won jobs!).
So pride is more important than a championship? -____-
“Didn’t Doucet and Goldson throw punches at each other during a game at Candlestick this season?”
They sure did, Doucet went after Goldson, and from that point on Arizona played right with us the rest of that game and beat us at their place the n
ext time they played.
could be one of those competitively charged altercations where afterwards they probably becomes friends ….
don’t get any ideas DS … grin snicker
6.5 million a year for a guy who has played one good half of football. Glad the Niners didn’t sign Robinson. Too much for him. Hope we get Lloyd, Manningham or get to talking to Royal
I believe Royal would be a good option at pr not only wr! (as I wrote yesterday). But Royal seems almost a clone of Williams.
Yeah but a clone with fewer head injuries . :P
@jgwindsor
This isn’t the place to continue the discussion, so let’s not, but I found your remarks on China insightful and intriguing. Even with my rudimentary knowledge of int’l trade and finance, I clearly appreciate how smart the Chinese have been. The Russians messed up their transition to capitalism, the Chinese didn’t. With wariness and respect I think of them as ‘crocodile capitalists’: focused, patient, and potent. I guess its just a modern variation on long-standing Chinese approach to life.
OK, sorry to everybody else.
ok, cool
Royal would be great, use him in the slot and he can also handle punt returns. Unlike some other slot receiver we know…
Maybe Harbaugh should have coached up KW a little during the season or used Delanie or Vernon or … can’t lay it all on the young man. He’ll be back, stronger and more determined than ever.
Been gone all day too many to read. Other then Snyder and Constanzo gone any earth shattering news with the Niners today?
Nope.
Grant has pretty much all that’s gone on today summarized at the top of the page.
Yes, there has been earth shattering news. Further developments with Alex Smith: No development.
thanks
QB Kyle Orton signs with Dallas
QB Chad Henne goes to the Jags
Q. What’s going on with Alex? A. Not much
WR Mario Manningham is scheduled to visit SF
http://blogs.nfl.com/2012/03/14/manningham-to-visit-with-49ers/
I do not like losing synder to AZ, now they will have a much better understanding of our offense!!!
sorry Snyder
Chicago49er says, “I do not like losing Snyder to AZ, now they will have a much better understanding of our offense!!!”
They watch so much film that there is very little that they will gain by having Snyder from that standpoint. I don’t like losing him because I think he is under appreciated and improves their o-line.
I’ll help you out with that.
Stack the box. When the ball snaps, send guys at AS. If it is a run play, take down FG.
Have your best cover LB and safety cover VD. As long as you have somebody on the outside, they can cover the WR’s.
No matter what the OL is hopelessly outmatched by the numbers every time.
Good point. Also, I’m not sure if we have a replacement for Snyder currently on the roster.
At the moment I think they’re thinking Leonard Davis at RG. I hope that works. It reminds me of when we got Gogan in FA. The FO was tired of all the pressure up the middle and brought Gogan in instead of the McIntyre-style OG. Stout vs agile.
Leonard Davis would seem to fit the job description of stout.
As to offense, imo, by now all teams have disected Jim’s offense. I’m of the opinion that Fox grabbed a few ideas for his Tebow Express mid season last year; that fast.
I think the plan is Kilgore, Boone, or free agent Leonard Davis at right guard.
Garrett Chisolm is on our roster already.
Everyone in the league has enough tape to get a full understanding of the 9ers offense.
Grant: I agree about Fleener, if a top WR does not fall to the #30 pick.
The 49ers are stacked at TE, but Fleener fills glaring needs, including 3rd down efficiency and red zone production. Harbaugh already has an idea what his athleticism is. If Fleener can block half decent, Fleener provides much needed versatility.
Look for WR and Guard/Center in later rounds.
The rookie salary cap really improves the cost of building through the draft. Washington is adding players in ways they would not be able to do a few years ago.
@B2W
When I first heard the Fleener idea presented I was surprised; but its grown on me.
I saw one Mock Draft had SF taking a DL out of Conn. Didn’t see that coming………
There’s OL + DL and lotsa folks @WR in the draft. They want a serious back-up to Brooks to develop. They could go into 2012 with A.Dixon, but they’ll try to upgrade. Goodwin is ok , but aging; is Person coming along? Other plan? Kunz in Rd#1?
Hahaha its f*#* endless!
It’s hard to project the draft until free agency settles down. A lot of folks had the Bears taking a wide receiver in the 1st – after the Marshall trade OL seems a lot more likely. Most folks had the Dolphins taking a DE and now a wideout could be a real possibility. etc. etc.
They are still fun to read though.
Is it me or does Anthony Dixon seem to much of a free spirit? He just seems a little to care free.. I had big hopes for the guy.
Grant are you going to run another live blog on 3/15/2012 or is this one going to continue.
Sure, I could run another one.
I have big hopes!
I still have big hopes!
The Seahawks just released Robert Gallery. Perhaps the Niners could sign him to a one-year contract to play right guard. Gallery is 31 years old, he’s 6-7 and he weighs 325 lbs. He played hurt last year.
Please no. Never was impressed with him across the bay.
Grant, Gallery didn’t just play hurt last year, he has played hurt the last three years. Missed a quarter of the season the last 2 years, and almost half the season 3 years ago.
An injury prone middle of he road guard is the last thing they need.
Grant, aren’t R.Gallery and Kwami Harris twins?
John McClain speculates that Peyton Manning will sign with the Titans and run the team after he retires. In that scenario, Bud Adams is Willy Wonka and Manning is Charlie Bucket.
Unless Peyton turns into a giant blueberry.
Or falls into that river next to the stadium and gets sucked up a giant tube.
huh? robert gallery. Like I said, what makes you qualified to comment on anything?
It’s called speculation and continuing a conversation. If you don’t like it nobody’s asking you to comment.
all i’m saying is lets talk real; not pretend
then add something constructive
Gallery gives off a Tony Mandarich vibe only several notches lower.
He didn’t take enough Roids.
Gallery in his last year or two was actually pretty decent with the Raiders. I think he is a guard. As a tackle, he stank.
I don’t have a clue why Seattle is dumping him though after only 1 year.
hey grant, did you plat sports in college? high school maybe?
all i’m saying is lets talk real; not pretend
Like you pretending to be a ghetto rat?
Whats it matter if he did or didnt. Some people aren’t built for sports. Doesn’t mean they don’t know the game. He has been around sports his whole life. And if you actually read his columns he has really good insight on alot of stuff. Get a life dude. At least Grant gets paid to write about the Niners. That im sure is all of our dream job.
…what columns?
moss vs jackson
hey super bowl bound
u f’n people are so stupid if you think we will win a bowl with this sh it
alex & moss yea. huh??
Thanks for stopping by, please don’t forget your parting gift by the door.
ok mr reporter, what happened with Jackson, 9ers to cheap to want to win>
Oh. OLD TIMEY 49ER FAN
BRODIE
KWALIC
HARDMAN
WASHINGTON
WILCOX
Tommy Hart was a superstar, unfortunately his teams were way off the radar. Anyone that follows this blog knows the thing I still have for Y.A.
Andrew, he had 6 sacks in one game against the Rams that was never official due to the fact they weren’t keeping sack stats at the time. Awesome player!
There are other key areas of need on the team Dan. It wouldn’t do any good to sign VJax and risk losing two or three guys on say our defense due to that signing.
Hoferfan67 says:
March 14, 2012 at 6:54 pm
“Jordo, ED was on NFL Net stating that the signing of RM helps MC because he has shown not to be able to get separation from the opponents #1 CB.”
Glad to see the Org surrounding Crabtree with weapons (lol).
AES, let’s hope they surround MC with weapons, the 9ers need all the help they can get.
AES,
A real weapon would be a better QB!!
“A real weapon would be a better QB!!
Jordo, like your outlandish QB suggestions from last year!!?
I found this stats at another blog which if true might shed some light on arm strenght
on passes on 31-40 yards completion rate for 2011
Alex 4-8
Brady 0-9
Rodgers 7-11
Brees 8-15
Rivers 6-20
Stafford 6-21
Fitzpatrick 1-9
cam 4-15
Matt Ryan 4-17
Eli 6-22
Vick 4-14
How many were to the WRs versus TEs (VD)?
that I dont know I will try to find out
@undercenter
Is that only regular season, or playoffs as well as the regular season?
Because AS was money on a lot of deep passes came playoff time.
Tune to SportsNet Central at 6, 10:30 and midnight on Comcast SportsNet Bay Area for more on this story.
@DS once again I dont know I didnt do the research. If this is true only Rodgers and Brees had a higher pct. then Smith which surprises me.
Hofer, they don’t give you information on the number of times receivers were targeted. You can go through and pull up how many receptions a receiver had in the yard ranges.
Thanks Jack.
undercenter, those stats are bogus. Here is a link that shows the true stats. Passes 31-40 yards he was 11-23.
http://espn.go.com/nfl/player/splits/_/id/8416/alex-smith
Oops, bad info on my part. That 4-8 is correct for Smith not sure about the others.
Interesting to note that of the 4 completions 2 went to Vernon Davis, and the other 2 went to Crabtree (interesting since folks keep saying he is slow, etc).
I liked the selective use of stats by under – it was clever. Most sites consider 20+ to be a long pass and in that category Smith is fairly horrible. But if you only look at 31-40 he’s somewhat decent.
Compare Smith’s 20+ totals to Romo’s. Night and day.
MSC, good point. Regarding TRomo, folds in the clutch. Always has.
msc, Interestingly Smith’s stats for 20+ are actually better than Tom Brady.
Smith – 13-36 (36%)
Brady – 15-48 (31%)
It is in the under 20 yd range that Brady separates himself and kills you. Check out the splits information on ESPN.
@Jack I selectively picked the one of the best long ball throwers in the league.
;-)
As Hof points out, Romo is the anti-clutch.
@jack
What is the difference?
The conclusion is about the same. AS throws about 50% completion for such long throws. I don’t see much of a difference between yours and undercenter’s stats.
Hofe, you’re beating a dead horse with that question. I know you want to prove that the higher percentage of long passes were to VD vs. Crabtree.
Ok, we all know Crabtree is having ‘separation anxiety’ and yet, he will be our Starter in 2012.
Let it go, Hofe, let it go.
Can’t assume that AES.
It would be a safe assumption given all the negative talk about Crabtree’ separation issues don’t you agree?
I would not be surprised if Crabtree is traded in the draft for maybe a third round pick, it depends how much they improve the receiver position, at best Crabs is a number two possession receiver, if they get deep , more likely a third down player.
thank you
Until FA is finished I will hold out hope that the QB and #1 WR on one of the worst passing offenses in the league end up elsewhere.
This season really cannot come soon enough. But this blog sure does help me get through the rough off season. Well and once Baseball season starts, the Giants sure do help too. How many die hard SF giants fans we have?
guilty
I stopped watching baseball after the ’94 strike.
When I tried to watch again in 96-97 I found I had lost interest. The game is simply boring if your heart isn’t into it.
*grouchy old man post*
Same here msc.
Baseball thought I couldn’t live without them.
Turns out I loved my summer more than ever not having to watch/listen to 162 games, and spent that time with my friends doing something else
Never thought I’d meet another. Football’s my passion but I was a baseball encyclopedia until that strike. Matty was going for 61 Hr’s; T Gwynn was going for a .400 average, etc.
I was “grouchy” for years after and never got back into it. What a trip.
The Giants coulda been somebody that year. They coulda had class… they coulda been a contender.
That’s funny. I didn’t know there were other stubborn grudge-holders like me out there. I too bailed on baseball permanently after the ’94 strike. I couldn’t even get excited when the Giants won it.
To me baseball suck. Can’t stand the slow pace. I loved playing it in high school, but watching the game doesn’t do it for me.
sucks
I like this lineup….
http://www.csnbayarea.com/blog/niners-talk/post/The-2012-SF-49ers-as-of-this-moment?blockID=669718&feedID=5884
That lineup looks stronger than last year’s – especially at QB.
DS i dont mean to attack you on your views on MC. You have valid points. I just really like the guy all the way back to college and think he can be something special. You are one blogger i like most on here. Sorry about any hostility
one of the bloggers*
@Adam707
:- )
Have you seen what some people write about/to me?
Trust me, nothing you said was hostile next to that.
And, I have had my favorite players as well without a way to really express it to others. Arnez Battle was one of my favorites here. And more recently Adam Snyder.
I can’t really give you a reason (stat, great performances, etc.) why. Just that I like them.
Unfortunately, Ginn and Morgan had enough time to step up to the plate and both didn’t cut it in comparison to other receivers in the league. Crabtree is a good third receiver but that is it. With Moss he will complain he’s not getting the ball enough as he done in his last few years in the league. He’s a bad pickup and not the answer. Jackson would have been a awesome signing.
3rd WR? He was a decent #1. 850 yards 4 TD’s in basically 13 games (He basically sat out Seattle, and played minimal plays in CIN). With what Jackson was asking for we are better off getting a manningham or Lloyd. Then drafting a WR and letting him develop. Of course my opinion.
Yes, he was decent but only because he was someone else beside VD and Walker.
I think this year will tell us how good he can be. He has improved every year. Just hope he makes camp. Him and Alex got their Chemistry working as the season went on (except playoffs). Just hope he is working hard everyday like the rest of the team. He doesn’t Tweet like most of the other players so its hard to follow him
He’s licking his chops after seeing what his peers got in tier 2 dollars.
Mayock lives in “a”!!!!!!
I agree Ginns had plenty of time and no telling with Morgan off the injury 9ers know more about his progress then we do.
Everyone will complain, as long as we have Alex as QB. He makes the wide receiver position irrelevant!!
Yet he has a great rapport with VD. Must be the hands 23.
Midwest,
Last time I checked, Vernon was a tight end.
NFL Net ” Niners best deal P/U @ WR R.Moss
Who’s gonna take Ginns’ spot as the “dude” in the locker room?
The dude abides.
+1 for the big L.
Maybe Jeff Bridges is available.
ESPN is reporting that Seattle contacted Condon regarding Alex. However, Condon told them that Alex can’t pull the trigger and make a decision.
What an absolutely GENIUS joke!!! Har har har!
Econ,
Nice.
Pretty Funny, That is what gives me pause, Great heart , Good Guy but does not constantly make that big throw. Not Haten Just Sayn, I know he had lots of come backs this last year, Just the confidance in him is just not high.
At face value this is something I would quickly squalch, but then again P.Carroll would make such a deal just to ‘stick-it’ to Harbaugh.
Personally I don’t think there will be any movement regarding Alex until P.Manning is signed somewhere. Manning is the ‘big catch’ and no doubt Condon is busy with the Manning sweepstakes at the moment. Once PM signs the Alex drum will start to beat.
Any news on Reggie Smith, I always liked this guy.
@Andrew
With Spillman getting signed, and his official status as a safety, I am willing to bet they let Reggie Smith go.
My little theory is that they give Spillman a good long look in practice and in the game. The guy can flat out fly and tackle anybody in the open field. If he shows good progress, I bet the Niners don’t pay top dollar for DG after this year. They have Spillman for another 2 years after 2012 at a very cheap price.
“Grant Cohn @grantcohn
BREAKING ALEX SMITH NEWS: http://bit.ly/xxx ”
Wanker.
Been an interesting start to FA…
Just wanted to throw in my 2 cents:
Moss should buy them a year and IF he has his head on right he can be a mentor to whoever they pick up in the draft, if they choose to go WR. I guess the Cal WR is expected to be a value in the second round and Grant seems to like him. I havn’t seen him play but I like his size (6’2″ 200).
The idea’s been batted around here, but I like picking the TE, Fleener, from Stanford in round 1 … having 3 TE’s on the field that can run and with Walker’s ability to kick-out for their bread & butter- power-o, from condensed sets on one play, then shifting to empty or single back sets on the next with TE’s that can run like WR’s will put defenses in quite a bind, personnel wise.
Niners will be able to exploit mismatches in either the run or the pass game, depending on what the defense chooses to try and stop.. they will not be able to guess right …
Or they could go conventional and take Kendall Wright from Baylor (if he is available; doubtful). He is a pretty polished player right now and he would push for playing time right away. In substituting Wright for Crabtree, that would provide 2 deep threats on the outside and really create the same if/then situation against the defense with 2 RB’s and a TE (who can also stretch the field) in the backfield.
It’s all very exciting, isn’t it? And we haven’t even gotten to Alex Smith yet! … they say game manager … I’ll take him, because that’s exactly what we will need to direct the type of attack JH & Co. are planning. Another year in the system and he will be more comfortable pulling the trigger in crucial situations.
Let’s go Niners… Superbowl or bust 2012!
Fired up for the rest of FA and draft…
Here here!
@Larry David
“…they say game manager…”
If you are not managing the game, that means you are not in control. And if you are not in control of the game, then that means you are very likely losing the game. I want a game manager. I want to win.
Interesting Perspective.
http://www.nfl.com/news/story/09000d5d82794c82/article/how-fans-view-the-freeagent-qbs?module=HP11_content_stream
Awesomeness mixed with Ehh? Is it saying the sports fan is a
schizophrenic?
Prediction today……
Alex smith signs today! You heard it here first.
Bet a $1 he won’t MD. He’s trying to play chess with the Niners. Condon’s blowing more smoke up his behing than Harbaugh did. Smith feels like there is nobody else that can perform to the level that he did last year besides Manning. So clearly the Niners are not interested in Manning. Smith feels like hes the next viable option. He figures that Flynn is not an Option because he’s looking for a franchise deal and the Niners aren’t trying to find a long term guy.
Here is the fly in the ointment. If the Titans get Manning, Hasselback will be cut. If Hasselback is cut, does he go back to Seattle or do the Niners give him a call while Smith is smelling himself. After all, Hasselback was a consideration last year and would clearly be an upgrade.
Don’t know what’s up with Josh Johnson. Still feel like he should be signed as competition. Maybe not though. We will see.
DS, Center “borrowed” that post from someone off MM’s board, and as msc later pointed out, that is a very selective stat that does not tell the story. If you extend it to throws of 20+ yards Smith was actually only 13-36, 36%.
Please read the entire thread of comments.
Did you look at it more carefully yourself Jack?
The QB rating interestingly is very good for the 21-30 and 41+ pass attempts. And is lowest among the 3 on the 31-40 yard pass attempts.
So, depending on how you measure success, AS was either very good at all such throws or poor at the one that he is about 50% completion on. All the more reason why using stats in football does not give you the real story. Observation and winning trumps over stats.
DS, Yes I did, but I don’t use the QB rating as a basis for arguments. Hitting on only 36% of your passes over 20+ yards may sound bad, but my guess is that it would probably put him in the top 10 in the league.
Not trying to make Smith look bad, just showing that if you want to talk about long throws it is better to go with the 20+ statistic.
And you are correct about stats, you can use them to make any point you want.
23J, you wasted too much time and energy on that.
Theres no need to beat this to death. Alex will be back and so will Crabtree. On to the draft. What’s your top 3 picks?
AES,
We need a good outside pass rusher. Aldon was great and Brooks is good. But we need a fresh body to play Aldons role from last year. Harrelson may restructure or get cut. Either way, he wont be here next year. A really good Guard is my guess. I say we go Guard with that 1st pick. I like Koonz from Wisconsin if he’s still there. We also have to draft a safety. Goldson may not be affordable next year. We clearly need a solid wideout. I like Wright from Baylor. I don’t care how fast he runs, he makes plays. What say you?
I say your assessments are very good. Koonz is NFL ready and may be available with our 30th pick. I really liked what I seen from Kilgore in his brief stints during pre-season. I also say; If K.Wright is still available between the 15-21 pick, I say we make every effort to manuver to get him.
At this point, I bet Baalke trades up for Kendall Wright, who can play flanker or slot and would be way cheaper than Mike Wallace.
Totally agree with GC and after a WR, I also see them grabbing a CB and RB in the top three rounds.
I like Konz too but the the Ravens are in the exact same spot as the 49ers on the O-Line (hole at guard, old center) and draft ahead of the 49ers. I think they’d have to leap-frog Baltimore to grab Konz.
Up and at it Grant! We need food. Whats the inside scoop??
I’m sorry. But your avatar picture with your statement is quite funny 9999. Looks and sounds like you are about to burst a blood vessel.
lol
Last two day’s kind of feel like it. I can’t seem to get off the computer and nfl net. I need football 24/7 is there treatment??
I know the feeling. I waited all this time for FA, now I almost want it to come to an end so that I know who is on our team.
:- )
Spencer just got cut.
So, how much money do the Niners have left now Grant?
Still waiting on Rogers’ cap number for ’12.
This is why Baalke is taking his time.
http://www.nfl.com/news/story/09000d5d82794c82/article/how-fans-view-the-freeagent-qbs?module=HP11_content_stream
Ehhhh.
Bay, you do know how to read a matrix correct. Not giving you grief just checking. :)
Yes do you? Are you going to give me your interpretation of this graph and somehow tell me Smith is elite and a pro bowl QB?
Let me simplify it for you Hofer. It has the QB’s numerically rated and Smith is dead last at number ten…
@bay:
Then again, it also has Smith rated second highest on the “Awesome” axis.
And do you really think fan perception is driving any personnel decision that Baalke makes?
Bay, you can get snarky, but I was just checking. BTW, I’ve never said he is elite but I can understand your frustration.
Doesn’t that kinda show that Smith is a starting type QB, but fans wouldn’t consider him to have a really high potential to be an elite QB? Nothing wrong with that. I don’t think you need an elite QB to win, just someone who can run the offense efficiently to score and win. We’ll see if Smith can do that this year.
Michael, exactly and well said.
that is pretty funny….bay brings in a fun chart like those myer-briggs charts to support his position and the placement of the #10 place marker has AS as borderline awesome but with some question marks…
as oppposed to’ not this one’ or ‘serviceable’
looking at the other QBs looks like they are appropriately placed as well on that chart
thing at the bottom is called a legend that identifies the place markers
maybe AS is presenting this chart to the niner’s front office as evidence he is the people’s choice
The end of the season made it worse for me this year being that damn close.. Well hope the wife can put up with me for a few more months.Lol
My boys were mad at me last year the wifey got into to the season and decided to take 3 games away. Lol
Alright Alex today is the day you sign. Or else………
Bet5 $1 he wont Adam. He’s playing chess with the front office. Who would’ve ever thought Smith would try and use leverage? Leverage that he does not have!
Adam, the 9ers have quite a bit of cap space left and they already have the core of the AS agreement done. They just need to ensure all of their FAs outside of AS are addressed and there are dollars to do so with limited stress on the cap dollars in the next 3+ years. Stay tuned…
@Adam707:
Don’t take that bet. If he wins, jordan will insist you pay, but if you win, you will never see the $.
Claude,
No cut and paste job. You’re losing your touch son!
@jordan:
Sorry to disappoint you mom.
I’m thinking we may see something happen today due to them officially cutting Spencer loose. Freeing up that money now leads me to believe they have a player in mind that they are planning to sign.
Maybe Manningham.
Wallace, Wallace, Wallace!!!
(from Braveheart)
Any word on if the Niners plan to cut Haralson too?
No word yet, it seems like they may ask him to restructure his contract.
Someone just asked me this question on twitter: Now that it appears the Browns will draft Tannehill @4, what are the chances the Dolphins trade the No. 8 pick for Kaepernick? You could argue that Kaepernick’s a better QB with higher upside than Tannehill.
I’ve been saying all along that it is a possibility. JH knows and likes what he has with AS and why not get top value for CK? He wants to start now and he won’t for the 9ers. This FO is smarter than we know.
If the niners were so confident in Smith he would have been signed already and to a 5 year deal.
Yeah that makes sense. Trade the athletically superior QB who is touted to be the future of the franchise and who also makes less money.
Nice wet dream there Hof….
Hofer,
Your love for Alex Smith is killing your credibility here Hofer. Let’s together , be objective.
1. The team give Alex Smith a contract offer at least a month ago, maybe more.
2. Both sides say they want each other.
3. We know they just cut Spencer to free up more cap money.
4. We all know that that the Niners way is wanting a player in free agency at their price. If the price does not work for the Niners, they pass on the player.
5. The last real contract dispute they had, lasted almost half a season, 6 months( Crabtree). The Niners FO are tough negotiators.
6. We know the deal was only for 3 years and possibly not enough of a signing bonus for Smith.
7. We know that Smith would like more of a signing bonus, if not an extra year.
8. We know that there is something wrong with the contract or he would sign it if it was fair to him.
9. We know that his agent is a good one and a tough negotiator.
10. I think we also know that if that front office caves for a Smith deal, it could create a little discomfort in the locker room. Especially for guys like Goldson and Rogers maybe??
With all that being said, do you rely believe that Alex Smith is saying to himself, ” I’ll just be a team player and give the Niners all the cap money they need, even if it means they have to cut into the money they planned on giving me this year.” C’mon Hofer, I know you love Smith. But right now, smith is smelling himself. He’s holding out.
Jordo, unlike you, I’m happy with whatever JH does. If you check the archives, I’ve always said I’m a JH fan (wanted him on the 9ers even before his last year with Stanford) and will roll with his decisions.
You on the other hand…you don’t have an agenda! Oh the comic relief around here. LOL
I didn’t think you could handle that Hofer. I know you Have that Smith bobblehead in your hand right now, praying Smith signs that deal. He is playing with fire, testing this front office. Yes the deal is done. Need to find us a QB. Smith is done!
Jordo, this is *day three of the Live Blog* and how many NON-AS comments have you made? Have you discussed anything else?!!
Get therapy dude!!!
>> Need to find us a QB. Smith is done!
Is that what the Smith voodoo doll in *your* hand is telling you, Jordo?
@hof
50% are AS only
The other 50% are 23J showing how maturity running around after my posts acting like a jerk.
Hofer,
you really do make no sense. Trading a system ready backup with long term starter potential to keep a starter that they only semi value based on length of contract.
Are you a 49er fan at all? I mean, when they know they have a long term starter, they back it up based on the length of contract they offer. See Ahmad Brooks….
My answer would be: None.
Why? There’s a good chance the Dolphins would bite.
GC, they get *any* choice of WR with that pick other than JB who is supposedly being drafted by the Rams. They still have ST on the roster and could pick up another 3rd tier QB in FA.
@Grant:
There’s a good chance the Dolphins would bite.
Why do you say that?
They’re desperate, and I’ve heard a lot of people say Kaepernick would be the third best QB in this draft.
Id rather have a franchise QB than a good WR. If Kaepernick is that, then this trade shouldnt happen
Does CK really match up to JH offensive philosophy?
@hof
Come on now. JH drafted CK. You are really reaching for something there.
Hofer,
I just got a text from Pat Devlin, he said yes CK is JH’s type of QB.
@Grant:
Interesting. If that’s true, then it makes me think
1. Philbin doesn’t think much of Flynn; and
2. The 49ers could do a lot of damage with the No. 8 pick, even if they had to give something back to Miami. At 8, they could get an elite interior offensive lineman (DiCastro) or an elite defensive lineman (Brockers, Cox, Poe, etc.), or they could trade back for more picks and pick up their choice of the non-Blackmon WRs (Floyd, Wright).
1. I think Seattle is the favorite for Flynn right now.
2. Agree.
Thanks Bay. I remember when you commented that PD was bagging groceries and I had to remind you he was on the Dolphins. Keep trying…
Where did you hear this from Grant?
Sorry Hof,
my bad since I don’t pay much attention to practice squad players…
Grant,
The Dolphins are any other team for that matter could have had Kap last year. He was drafted in the second round and universally was regarded as a project that would take time. What has he done in a year to change that perception?
No way the Dolphins would give up #8 for him imo, although I’d love to be wrong.
He’s been tutored by Harbaugh. That might be worth something to them.
*or* any other team.
Grant,
True, but this kid needs a lot of work and it’s not like he got a lot of instruction in the offense with the lockout and all.
I can’t believe Tannehill is viewed as a pick that high either. Talk about desperation to bump up the QB class in this draft.
You’re right, I’m just counting on Miami’s desperation. They could easily build Kaepernick up in their minds.
AD was drafted just before CK – I’m still thinking that is who JH wanted last year. We’ll never know…
That is a ridiculous offer.
Which I take in a heartbeat. The Niners could get a really great player at #8, or if they choose, make it a #1 in the 2013 draft.
CK was a 2nd round pick with a lot of work to do. You take that trade for a 1st round pick (#8 overall) in a nanosecond.
Weve gone 10 years without getting any productivity from the QB position — the most important position on the team! TB and JH diligently researched who would be a good pick for them, theres no way they would make this trade just for a WR. You can get quality WRs in the draft at later rounds.
14-4
6 come back wins.
better than 3:1 ratio of TD:Int
Were you asleep last season?
It is the QB’s job to find ways to win games. AS did that.
Obviously you think Smith is the answer.
Doesn’t matter does it?
If CK were the answer right now, there would be no AS negotations going on.
And, don’t try to predict the future. 3 years ago, the Niners were a complete disappointment. Now they nearly made the Super Bowl.
Keep your CK hopes in a closed drawer. No need to to open them until you need a new item to wear.
If the niners had ultimate confidence in Smith, he would have been signed to a 5 year deal already. They want to give him a short deal so CK can take over. But keep being satisfied with field goals for wins and overthrown WRs
BS23456548GJIT,
Apparently not work, the Niners are going to replace your idol with Kap very soon, maybe this year, if Smith is even on the team!
So jsand.
Please tell me which stocks are going to be up in 3 years And which will go down next week a lot. Because you seem to know the future.
And tell me how much wealth you have because you must have used this ability to further you own personal gain.
You think you know who/what is going to be good? Give me a break. Every pick for every team in every draft, the experts are saying “Good pick.” Why would I trust you over the “experts” who are wrong more often than I would be calling heads on a coin flip 100 times?
Perspective please.
Not sure if I owe you anything, DS69whatever. But Ill get sucked into your “Smith is an underrated QB” cliche argument for one last post. My perspective is watching great QBs of the Niner past and other teams.. There is no way that you would ever whisper the words “game manager” around the likes of Montana and Young or even Garcia. They went out and won games for this team. They didnt sit back in the passenger seat and go for a ride, they took the wheel. It would be and insult to call them “game managers”. Weve seen Smith for 7 years. 7 years of mediocrity and excuses. I dont know if CK is going to be a great QB or not, but JH does. Thats his guy. He’s the “expert” that drafted him. So Im gonna go with logic here and say that he sees something in him (more than Smith) to the point that he doesn’t want to give Smith anything more than 3 years
That same expert went to AS and asked him to come back. AS was done here. JH had to convince him to give it one more try.
Then JH had to convince TB of the same thing because TB said AS was gone, and it was clear that he meant for good.
JH didn’t need to go get AS. He was not “stuck” with him at all. AS was a FA. AS was not a Niner when JH became HC. The first thing JH did though was get in contact with AS. Why would he do that if he thought AS was noting more than a stop-gap QB? You can bring in any other QB to do the same job. JH could have started CK if he wanted and nobody would have cared.
JH believed in AS. AS believed in JH. Niners 13-3 and OT loss in NFC Title game as a result. Do you think CK could have done that? The correct answer is “No.” I’ll let you come to your own conclusions.
P.S. Stop with the sexual innuendo jokes. The name is DS94. If you want to act like a stupid teenager, find somebody else to play with. Pork, 23J and bay will love you.
Browns has 2 first rounders. Probably use their lower 1st rounder to draft Tannehill.
Peter King tweeted this morning that Tannehill will be a top-four pick.
Yeah, I’ve been reading Top 10 for Tannehill.
wow this came out of left field…..
can’t even imagining this happening……but that would be a good ROI for CK….guess it would depend on how married JH is to him….
JH seems to be more married to AS but you never know….
I would do it for a #8….it would help address a few needs without having to get into any wallace shenanigans…
actually brings up a question….if it was true and niners did get #8 and then went after wallace ….. could the niners still only have to give pittsburg the #30 pick or would the niners be forced to give up the 8th….
what are the rules of a tendered restricted FA
At the risk of stirring up another Hornets nest let’s hear everyones thoughts on the following scenario that could present itself soon:
If Manning signs with the Titans which it appears has a very good chance of happening, and Hasselbeck gets cut, do the Niners sign him?
The longer Smith lets this go, the more likely the team is to explore other options and this would be one I’m guessing they might find to hard to overlook.
Thoughts?
No.
Rocket, think about it. When Snyder and JMorg were sniffing around FA with AZ and Wash, the 9ers sprung in action with plan B and started looking at guards and WRs. Have you noticed they have done that with a QB!!
Hof,
Just throwing it out there as a possibility. The Niners haven’t shown any interest in QB’s yet as you said, but if Hasselbeck becomes available, that could change.
I don’t think anything has changed in regards to them wanting Smith back. All I’m saying is, if this continues to drag out and Hass comes free, it could get interesting.
Rocket,
Crazy that you mention that. i just posted that up above in response to a post from Md. I think it should be a consideration. here is what I posted.
Bet a $1 he won’t MD. He’s trying to play chess with the Niners. Condon’s blowing more smoke up his behind than Harbaugh did. Smith feels like there is nobody else that can perform to the level that he did last year besides Manning. So clearly the Niners are not interested in Manning. Smith feels like hes the next viable option. He figures that Flynn is not an option because he’s looking for a franchise deal and the Niners aren’t trying to find a long term guy because of KAP.
Here is the fly in the ointment. If the Titans get Manning, Hasselback will be cut. If Hasselback is cut, does he go back to Seattle or do the Niners give him a call while Smith is smelling himself. After all, Hasselback was a consideration last year and would clearly be an upgrade.
Don’t know what’s up with Josh Johnson. Still feel like he should be signed as competition. Maybe not though. We will see.
and then there is the desperate dolphins to consider…
better get the CK for the #8 quick
I’d rather see Tolz or Kaep than Hass. Why is there no frigin noise at all with A.Smith its driving me mad..
@99999
My dream theory is that AS will sign for whatever he can under the condition that the Niners get Wallace. If the Niners offer on the table for AS is $6 million for instance, and the Niners need another $3million to get the deal done with Wallace, AS would take $3 million less to get Wallace opposite Moss.
Of course I doubt this is actually happening. But, as long as we are speculating, I prefer to dream of the best.
I think Kaep would benifit right now with our solid roster,Harbaugh will teach him up just like he did Alex.
boy playing against a 1st place schedule after making all these moves to keep the defense intact and bringing in weapons for a run at the SB sooner rather than later and then have to go through the growing pains of CK reading pre-snap defensives and deciphering the defense as it changes it look during the snap is a lot to ask of a 2nd yr QB from a gimmicky offense….especially for someone from turlock…snicker
Hofer, Rocket,
If the Niners don’t attempt to pursue another QB, its an effort not to hurrt Smith’s feelings. However, if you are GM and you’ve given him an offer, and have no intent to budge on that offer, you have to start quietly looking at other options at some point.
If you were the GM of the Niners, how much time are you giving him with this offer? Once Manning signs, the Qb’s that are available are going to disappear very quickly. The Niners are not going to budge, they don’t have to. Jed has said, the offer has been on the table, the ball is in Smith’s court.
Jordo, the deal is done it’s just the matter of base, guarantee and how it hits the cap. AS wants weapons, so as usual he is working with the FO and will restructure the numbers to help out the team if needed. Shouldn’t be that difficult to understand.
Hofer,
thanks for letting us know what you read through your crystal ball…. And then throwing it out there as fact.
Bay, wash the salt out of the wound…you’re getting a bit cranky!
Just tired of your constant attempt to make lemonade out of lemons in regards to Smith.
It would be nice if you put the 49ers first every once in a while…
“It would be nice if you put the 49ers first every once in a while…”
Bay, how would supporting AS be different than what JH and the 9ers are doing? Are you insinuating that JH isn’t putting the 9ers first because your not a fan of AS??! Really?!!
Better look in the mirror!
@bay:
Then why do you initiate so many Alex Smith threads?
Hofer,
The deal cant be done, you must have it with you. Maybe you’re a courier and you’re driving the signed contract over to Niners headquarters with you??
How is the deal done and nobody knows about it except you. That Niner/ Smith deal is far from done.
Grant,
Your 40% is looking better and better and the Smithers are finally starting to squirm. Hofer is tripping all over himself with more Alexcuses.
Alexcuses, Alexcuses, Alexcuses. Now we’ve got Alexcuses as to why Smith has not signed the deal.
In the famouse words of Jed York, ” The ball is in Alex’s court!” = Take it or leave it!
go niners…..