It’s the third day of free agency and the Niner news just keeps pouring in.
First, longtime Niner Shawntae Spencer got cut this morning, freeing up $3 million in cap space, roughly. Spencer was never a favorite of new defensive coaches Vic Fangio and Ed Donatell.
Free agent wide receiver Mario Manningham is scheduled to meet with the team at the Santa Clara facility this afternoon. Perhaps they cut Spencer this morning to free up enough cap space to sign Manningham this evening. That would make sense, wouldn’t it?
Finally, according to an unconfirmed rumor Alex Smith ate breakfast burritos this morning, and they were tasty.
Check back throughout the day for more free agency updates.
11:35 The Niners just signed Rock Cartwright to a one-year deal, per league source.
If Cartwright (32 years old, 5-7, 223 lbs.) is supposed to be Anthony Dixon’s main competition for the big, short-yardage back, Dixon got off easy. Cartwright’s scored six rushing TDs in his career – four in 2003, two in 2005. His last two seasons on the Raiders he got eleven rushing attempts.
12:38 Mario Manningham is in the building, per Maiocco. Will they ask him to work out? They know his body of work. He may opt to become a 49ers’ acquisition.
1:55 Eddie Royal is taking a physical for the Chargers, according to Schefter. It’s looking like the Niners are going to sign Mario Manningham or no one else.
2:54 Manningham has visits scheduled with the Dolphins and Bills, according to Barrows.
Here’s what I think happened today. The Niners tried to convince Manningham to sign for cheap and be a part of “something special,” Manningham said, “I’d like market value, please.”
The Niners said, “We’re not inclined to give that to you,” and he said, “I bet the Dolphins or the Bills are.”
So, I highly doubt the Niners sign Manningham. Baalke will most likely have to find his replacement for Joshua Morgan in the draft.
4:51 Evan Silva of Pro Football Talk just tweeted this: “Wonder if #49ers might end up getting Alex Smith cheaper than initial offer, after FA cools a bit. Not like anyone else wants him. Why pay?”
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I heard that in keeping with his “i’ll sign the contract when i’m ready” rebel image, he refused to clean his teeth this morning! after eating the burritos!!
Grant Cohn is such an uninformed punk. It’s as if he lives in Idaho and reports on the tream from out of state.
I’m pretty sure the only place one can report on a tream is from out of state.
This is offensive…as an Idahoan.
according to urban dictionary a tream is when a male’s balls sag below his knee’s.
http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=tream
I don’t think I’ve ever heard Grant even talk about anything even remotely like that, so I’m just going to assume you missed the blog you were looking for and accidentally ended up here?
How that relates to Idaho is also beyond me.
@tacoman:
Below his knee’s what?
By the way, thanks for the visual. I might as well skip lunch.
@ Claude
Well if you must skip, just be thankful you don’t have a tream yourself. You could end up in the hospital after something like that!
Who am I to say though lol… Justin is the expert on this one.
It’s funny that the word ‘tream’ got the attention of someone who calls himself ‘Claude Balls’.
HAHA!
MAN, as someone who lives in Twin Falls Idaho, I can assure you, we have no treams here…..
And you felt the need to come onto his blog to say this why? I’m guessing he is not the one who peed in your cornflakes this morning.
Finally, according to an unconfirmed rumor Alex Smith ate breakfast burritos this morning, and they were tasty.
Yes, but could he see the whole breakfast table while eating the burritos?
He completely missed the hot sauce in the corner. He checked down to the salt.
Did Akers come in to finish the last bite?
My dad just snorted his cereal across the table on that one.
… and threw it at the waitress’ feet.
No AS gave the last bite to MC, but he couldn’t get by the server so it hit the floor in front of him.
The CohnZone table surrounded by snorters!
You gonna ask Lowell about that mysterious, superfluous “a” you added to your blog yesterday, a la Mayock?
I didn’t do that. Show me where I did that.
Half the contents of his burrito spilled out of the bottom onto his unsigned contract. Too embarassed to sign a soiled document, he’s holding out a bit longer to see if he can get a clean copy….
Did he miss the hot sauce because a piece of bacon broke through the plate on the next table and had a clear shot at him?
By Alex standards, I call that success
@htesreous: the flying bacon was gonna take out Alex’s eggs; fortunately, they scrambled before it could . . .
Brilliant.
Said Grant yesterday:
“It’s tricky because I doubt they want to make a Robinson, Manningham or Lloyd the highest paid receiver on the team. They probably want the cheapest one of the three – they just have to figure out who that is. That’s my guess.”
@PBL:
That bothered you so much that you can’t let it go a day later?
It sure wasn’t Robinson.
Yeah Balls, that’s right! Particularly because Grant is a product of the UCLA English Department. It’s irksome to see Grant perpetuating such terrible English, so it falls to Lowell, the Stanford Ph.D English wizard, to judge. Grant Cohn is not a Grant Cohn, for of he was another of the Grant Cohns he would not be the PD’s Grant Cohn. If the Niners want to sign a Randy Moss, I know a guy who works for NFL Network who’d gladly take $3.3M a year, but he probably wouldn’t strike fear in opposing defenses.
@ Grant, you gonna be a bum and joke about this or man up and distance yourself from the Mayocks of the world?
You’re not citing evidence. I never wrote such a construction.
Hey Grant, the Niners simply have to run a Google search, find a guy named Laurent Robinson, am then sign a Laurent Robinson!
Grant Cohn says:
March 14, 2012 at 1:51 pm
It’s tricky because I doubt they want to make a Robinson, Manningham or Lloyd the highest paid receiver on the team. They probably want the cheapest one of the three – they just have to figure out who that is. That’s my guess.
Dang. You caught me. That was a typo!
Enough said, Grant, your denial shows you don’t want this egg on your face. Just don’t let it happen again, lest we refer to you as Grant Mayock.
You sound like Senator McCarthy. McCarthy Pork Bun Luncheon.
You Ok Pork? Bad start to the day?
Great start to the day! Carmel Valley Ranch poolside is second-to-none…
Sorry, Grant. Kind of. Two things that irk me: Mayock’s lisp and Mayock’s superfluous “a”.
I’m seeking treatment.
u r weerd.
Not to be a jerk here but I’m going to help you out with a recommendation.
Don’t Sweat The Small Stuff: http://www.amazon.com/Sweat-Small-Stuff-small-stuff/dp/B000JGWDT6
I’ve read it myself. Some great reminders in that thing about what’s really important, what you can let slide, etc. The book is cheap and it’s a fast read.
Win/win. Good stuff. Seriously.
nice….
Grants not in the construction business. I think he writes good.
Stan, you are a GENIUS!
the 49er d are all signed through 2013 with the exception of goldson and sopoaga they are trying to work a deal with goldson long term. thats great news for the long term stability of the team. i would much rather be in that position than signing big splash FA’s
I’d like us to land Manningham, if the price is right. Even though he was the 3rd WR in NY — he made clutch catches in the Championship and SB. He has talent. But my guess is that he’ll want more than Baalke wants to give.
The contracts handed out to many of these second level guys are ridiculous. I don’t know why it’s a surprise, but team are grossly overpaying for these guys.
Yes, they are way out of line. It shows that the NFL is a passing league and anyone with 35 catches is worth a multi-million dollar deal. Mario Williams signs for 50mil
guaranteed. IMO teams are showing a certain desperation. The draft will have better potential receivers available at a fraction of the cost. Teams that pay big bucks today, pay little bucks tomorrow (except the Skins).
Manningham drops his share of balls, but is more notorious as one of the worst route runners in the league.
we need to draft well and keep the cap under controll to sign our own in the future
Grant, I just wanted to say thanks for the laughs with the Alex Smith updates. I have always been a big fan of your Dad and have recently become a fan of your blog as well. Keep up the good work!
P.S. Dave (your uncle)
Justin, and yet here you are.
Crabtree, Starter in 2012 and beyond Hofe!
I know, I know! All good.
good morning ds…just to start out on an even keel
Them’s fighting words!
It’s almost afternoon jg.
Hi.
@rocket
I don’t know how to reply to jg. Sometimes he tells me not to reply, other times he encourages me to reply.
Wow. Mario Williams did well for himself.
http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2012/03/15/six-year-96-million-for-mario-williams/
is this a precursor to manning to tennessee
Williams’ sack total has gone down every year of his career, I think. Something like 14, 12, 9, 8 and 5 [last year, injured]. This isn’t the kind of profile I’d shell out the big bucks to. especially with so much guaranteed.
@ex
I think he has been injured for the last couple of years.
DS,
he played 13 games two years ago, so you’re right, he was injured two years ago and not just last year. But still, I wouldn’t invest so heavily in a rush DE with those sack totals. He played 16 games each of his other years in the league.
I’m not saying he’s not great, but the highest paid defensive player in the NFL? Not deserved, IMO. I’d rather have Willis or Bowman, and, by the end of next year, probably Aldon Smith, too.
Hope we an sign Geoff Shwartz, hes very underrated, versatile, and a big upgrade over Snyder/Rachal.
would be good competition if niners picked up davis, as well as kilgore
Camp body, nothing more.
The Niners will sign Rock Cartwright pending a physical, according to Jason La Canfora.
If Cartwright (32 years old, 5-7, 223 lbs.) is supposed to be Anthony Dixon’s main competition for the big, short-yardage back, Dixon got off easy.
Cartwright’s scored six rushing TDs in his career – four in 2003, two in 2005. His last two seasons on the Raiders he got eleven rushing attempts.
Jeez I didn’t realize he was so short…Butterball. lol
Make that bowling ball.
all the better to hide behind the OL legs and then squirt out like a seed
probably not a preferable costanza replacement on special teams as well
I’m only guessing, but not buying that’s how they see him. He’s a tough utility guy who can catch and pass block and play ST. If they want a big body bruiser it will be somebody else. I love K. Hunter, but he was a liability in protection as a rookie.
I don’t hate A.Dix, but he hasn’t yet done much at either HB or FB. Love his enthusiasm on ST!
He’s a pretty good ST player. I’m guessing he’s being brought in to replace Costanzo. Fits the bill of the team wanting guys who can play another position.
Exactly, he was a ST captain across the bay.
Way back in 2006 & 2007 Rock was an excellent kickoff returner. Is this the first shoe to fall in the Teddy Ginn, Jr. news? Anyone is expendable but man I loved Ginn’s contribution to short field position leading to short drives for our offense (which Akers would finish).
Straight line speed with no cutting capacity is near worthless.
I don’t expect Cartwright to make the team, he’s just a body for OTA’s and training camp.
I agree.
He is a really good ST player…any offensive production is a bonus. He will fill the Costanzo spot but give something on O if needed.
He’s not better than Dixon at RB or on ST. But a solid locker room guy. I figure Costanzo’s successor is Colin Jones, actually. He, Spillman & Gooden should lead the coverage units.
Grant,
There you go again, with wild speculation on this blog. First you write that Alex Smith had breakfast burritos based on uncomfirmed rumors. Then you go on to state the unconfirmed breakfast burritos were tasty. How in the hell do you know that? What kind of journalist are you, anyway? What if we find out that Smith thought the burritos were just OK, or, far worse, he didn’t like them at all? What if we find out that Smith was only considering having breakfast burritos, and ended up having an omelette instead, what are you going to say then?
Besides, it’s so transparent why you’re reporting on Smith’s breakfast, too. Funny how we don’t hear a thing about what Brian Jennings had to eat. You’re just trying foment further dissent between the pro and anti Smith camps.
Special note to MD, the above was a joke. I’m just poking a little fun at the knuckleheads here how blast Grant for doing his job. And a fine job he’s doing, too. Thanks, Grant.
Lol. Well next time don’t try and read my mood. Maybe you learned a lesson. I’m a joker by nature. I don’t snipe jokes, just ones that aren’t funny. Buahahahaaa.
Fair enough, MD.
…there you go ninermd -moron….you just admitted you are a clown…….
off subject again just for stan
warriors get richard jefferson and conditional #1 for stack jack….may help take some of the sting off the ellis and udoh move….
though bugot is still a risk since it is a foot issue on a big man
If “The Logo” likes the trade, I like the trade. West was giddy when interviewed about the deal.
I’m telling you all-it was a good trade. In no way were the WARRIORS ever going to make a blockbuster when Monta is the best you have to offer. Now,this JACKSON trade for a nice pick.
TWO years ago I wrote a post that Jerry Sloan (just fired at Utah) should be hired to undo the crap of small ball Nelson had left.
Fast forward past the waste of steeped in losing Keith Smart,and maybe-just maybe the LOGO is using SLOAN like wisdom to get this franchise back to a real NBA looking team.
One last-when the Warriors played the big teams..I couldnt get over how it looked like men vs boys..and Monta was almost never a factor with his 142 pound frame.
Mark my words..guys who want to shoot without playing any defense, no rebounding, and few if any assists are a dime a dozen.
Word on the street here in Utah is that Sloan is looking for a team to coach next year. Pretty sad that it will not be the Jazz :/ I hope Deron never makes it out of NJ!
and then bought a 2nd round pick from alanta for cash
Gasol is going to be moved! Lakers got a center from Houston for d fish. Wheew black mamba gonna have a fit.
Kobe no longer call the shots, his shelf life has a two year expiration date.
Grant,
I am applaud with the Burrito comment about Alex, he is such a nice young man, he deserves more respect. lol
“I am applaud with the burrito comment…” Did you mean “appalled?”
Yes I did Big Sky, whoops
I was appalled when he equated McNown to Smith because they both use hair gel. This burrito stuff is blogging gold though IMO.
What’s worse.. when you talk about the checkdown to the sauce, and whether or not the burrito was successful, how do we even know if it a burrito was what RoBaugh ordered? A maverick burrito on the loose!
Is Rock Cartwright a winner? Such a strange signing. Is he not here to take the sting out of cutting Gore?
Allright! This is just silly. Enough with Alex’s breakfast already.
Can we get serious? What’s he having for lunch?
Pork Bun with Tacos, and Tuna al a carte?
Alex Smith to enjoy a pork bun luncheon on Grant Street!
I’d be like… “Alex what the Pho are you eating, that looks good!”
There’s a Vietnamese restaurant in Chatsworth called Pho King Delicious.
My favorite restaurant in SF was 10,000 Buddhas. I haven’t been in the area in awhile, anyone know if it’s still there?
Andrew,
I don’t think it’s around. Never heard of the place
AS really should get paid for all the times he is mentioned on this blog. The Niners would not have to pay the guy anything. He can collect a nice healthy paycheck by receiving royalties every time Alex Smith is mentioned on this blog.
That 2 year $8 million contract the niners offered him 2 months ago! lol
…there is a rumor “Inside the 49ers” are looking for a new site blogger…….that can write one article a week!!!…..
…. thank …. you …. for …. that …. comment ….
Awww poor wittle one lame can’t stand the check down to the salt joke. Which was funny as $hit btw….. I love that the longer smith “holds out” it’s killing you. Ha ha haaaaa
Grant, how about a piece on Ed Donatell?
Grant, how about a piece on the importance of coaching the WR position? I think you might have touched on this second topic during the season, but it deserves some further discussion in the Bay Area as we fans have seen the best of times & the worst of times. Crisp routes… can you get an interview with John Morton? Can you investigate just what Kim Jong Harbaugh meant last pre-season when he promised to make the WR position “relevant again?”
Manningham is in the building, per Maiocco. Will they ask him to work out? They know his body of work. He may opt to become a 49ers’ acquisition.
I hope so. Don’t think he needs to work out. Do you? Have a feeling they are going to sign if anything it makes the Giants weaker and gives us a Lyn Swan type of player.
He has the option…
At this point I’ll just about anyone besides myself at WR, we have been so deplorable there for so long it was beginning to feel like it was never going away.
BTW, I totally got rick rolled by you yesterday Grant.
I head Alex Smith wrote that song.
Not so fast tacoman. What’s your time in the short shuttle?
If he signs look for a lot of moss in the redone. Decent pick up if they get him.
Manningham would be a solid pickup for this team and a classic Balke-Beanesque signing.
I actually just wanted to type “classic Balke-Beanesque”
Manning to manningham????? Lol
In this market Manningham won’t accept less than 25-35 mill.
A inside source tells me manning will come in for a visit.
Ahh, so you live in Tennessee?
MD,
Who, Hofer! lol
23 ha ha haaa. Maybe it was manningham???? Damn typo’s. Lol
I know the Niners have a plan and they dont want to get into salary cap problems that have hurt the team in the past, but with so much room and so close to being an elite team, you gotta spend in free agency at some point. Now I’m not saying over pay, I’m saying there are certain available players out there that at some point will be overpayed, thats the NFL and those players can sometimes mean the difference between struggling to get to the playoffs or winning the division with confidence.
Im not sure who that player is, or what position that might be, I just dont like the slow conservative approach to free agency. Im all about building through the draft, but you also gotta supplement through free agency and I think the Niners need to take a look at getting one big name free agent.
I agree, lets go out next off-season and get us Breese!!
The way we are doing things, I’m more concerned that they are going to go out and get Barry Sanders.
@FDM
Wallace.
And this team will be the best team in the NFL bar none.
Spend what you need too. Nobody could come closet to stopping us in 2012. We would be the only team capable of stopping the Niner offense (stupid penalties, dropped passes, etc.).
You forgot,
Bad passes, horrible QB play. Missing open receivers. Not seeing receiver that are open. Checking down instead of hitting Moss deep.( Which will also get Ales’s jaw broken!)
@FDM:
I just dont like the slow conservative approach to free agency.
Even though it is a proven winner?
@claude
Both statements have some truth to them.
You don’t want to start building your team with big FA signings.
But, I do think that at some point when you have a really good team, then you should make that push for a top guy in the market who can really improve your team.
This team was soooo close to the Super Bowl. We are a good team with one huge glaring weakness. Do what we must (draft, late vet pick up after final cuts, FA, anything) to solve that one glaring weakness. Even if it means getting a little worse in one of your strengths.
BS,
That glaring weakness just spilled burrito sause on his 2 month old 8 million dollar contract. More updates to follow.
The Cartwright signing seems odd to me. If we were going to have a strictly special teams guy on the team than why not keep Costanzo, that guy was a maniac! If I were Dixon I’d be pretty concerned with this signing.
Unless I was Boobie and was smart enough to read above how you said he wasn’t a threat lol.
Second special team player mistake, first, letting Michael Robinson walk, second Costanza.
Grant,
I don’t think Baalke and Harbaugh actually consider Cartwright real competition for Dixon. I think he’s going to be primarily special teams. I think we’ll still grab a RB in the draft to compete with Dixon (and Cartwright), then trade whomever loses the competition for more draft picks.
Nobody will trade for A. Dixon or Cartwright. They are nowhere near good enough or play critical positions that can’t be easily filled by a cheap FA.
I mean, why trade for Cartwright? The Niners picked him up from FA?
My point was that Cartwright is not competition to Dixon, and that will likely come in the draft. As for special teams, the 49ers are looking for a replacement for Costanzo. If Cartwright can fill those shoes and serve as depth as a return man, he might have a gig with us. As for Dixon, there are teams that would trade some (or “a”) late round picks for him. Dixon still has quite a bit of up side. He’s young and can still develop into a solid back. Teams like Miami, New England, Indianapolis, St. Louis, Arizona, Buffalo, Cleveland…they all might be interested.
Also, my assumption is that JH doesn’t think Dixon fits in well, so he wants to replace him, and any player that he picked up in the draft would likely beat out Dixon for the spot. Cartwright would more or less get his roster spot ST.
The Two knuckleheads on serius NFL seem to really believe niners will push for Wallace, seems like they just tell the callers what they want to hear. Wallace doesn’t seem to be making any noise at all just like Smith situation.
There are a few teams who will try to get Wallace. The Niners have been rumored to be in that mix since the very start.
And, I hope they do get him. Ask AS to sacrifice some of his contract. Go to all the highly paid players and ask them to help out. Get this guy,and we are the best team in the NFL. No other available WR who we pick up will make us the best team in the NFL. Wallace will. Go get him.
Who do you think would have a better shot than us? Pats maybe? I feel if Niners are serious they could grab him but if you’re a receiver Brady sounds way better than Smith.
BS<
Alex SMith does not have a contract. He has an offer!
@99999ers1
Wallace said in an interview before FA that he would like to play in
1. Pitt
then he listed two other teams (in no real order)
SF and NE.
Either team could really use him. Especially us. And Wallace knows that he would be the missing piece for us to win. He saw the Title game. If you go to the Pats, he won’t be that missing piece. They still have a horrible defense over there, so there is no assurance that you will be able to get the team over the hump.
If I am a FA, I go to the place where I can be the missing piece. Just an ego thing.
@Grant
Can you please do something about 23J and others always calling me BS? Delete their posts if they say that, or just ban them.
It is highly disrespectful and does nothing to make any kind of point and lowers the blog environment.
Thanks.
BS,
DS how do you know if I’m calling you BS? You don’t read my posts. You sound like a little baby alien. Don’t cry little confused alien. I don’t call you BS, I call your uninformed posts BS! Now run and tell that. Why don’t you ask him for a job while you’re at it! BWAhahahahahah!
DS,
Could be they make a play at Wallace.
RFAs are tricky though. If you can outspend the Steelers… sure, might be a good pickup. The Niners are trying to cut some dead weight here and there, who knows where they’ll spend.
All this stuff is a risk.
@Adam
Everybody here keeps assuming that Fleener will be available for the Niners. I can’t assume that. I also can’t assume he will be “all that”. I can’t assume any rookie will be.
I know Wallace is “all that”. He has done his thing in the NFL. And done rather well playing against the best teams. He is big in big games. He is also very young.
Generally RFA’s are tricky. But usually they don’t involve such young, speedy, good hands, route running, tough, good teammate as Wallace. Somebody will get him, and the Steelers can’t afford him at all.
As I have been dreaming Adam. Wallace on one side. Moss on the other. VD running deep seam passes down the middle. Add KH and FG as runners and receivers from the back field, and the only defense which could stand a chance against that would be ours. Drop just about anybody to get him. Renegotiate players contracts. No team would have the speed we have with Wallace.
I don’t want to go after an aging player and pay them as much as Wallace will get. Young players are worth the 1st pick.
The 9ers could very well give them the draft pick and pick him up. It’s not out of the question and I’m starting to think manning might not be either. No one saw Philly last year plucking NA. Never know.
@md
I am pretty sure that Philly was a team targeting NA last year. It was thought they couldn’t afford him though.
For the record, I was a little hesitant about NA. All he played was man. And, he hardly ever tackled anybody. Even if you only allow 1.5 catches a game, shouldn’t you be making a tackle or two on RB’s? Especially since the Raiders have had horrible run defense his whole time there.
DS,
Give up your Wallace dream, it’s not happening dude/chick/whatever
Nick, He hasn’t signed anywhere else yet. It probably won’t happen, but why should we not want to see him come here?
Giving up a 1st rounder and the cap hit of signing Wallace is too big a price to pay IMO.
Hold the ham, please. You can put it on Alex’s burrito.
I just got an Alex Smith update. Unconfirmed reports say he was spotted having lunch at an SF Japanese eatery. He had the California Roll and washed it down with an ice tea.
was the iced tea sweetened?
With Splenda.
Well at least it was Splenda, that other stuff is cancerous….
Again with unconfirmed reports? Come on, Grant, you’re better than that.
I figured he could use chopsticks, the man is as talented as they come.
@ Grant
Thanks for the update (but service here is a little slow)
I lol’d
@Tacodude
I didn’t respond to you earlier but I chuckled at yours also.
Gotta have some fun; a live FA blog is kinda like waiting at the airport.
….What’s this?……MM, MB and other writers are out there getting the scoop on FA and writing articles to read…….and you are busy coming up with jokes……are you now a clown?
…….dude…..please write something we can read……even if it is about 49ergrl…….just write something!!!!!!
Now I can see smith not coming back. The Lakers finally got rid of fluke Walton. He was the Alex smith of the lakers….. Meaning he would never just leave. Wheeew! In defense of smith. At least he had a good seaon.
Why do people continue to take small jabs at Smith for no reason when we could be talking about other free agents we could be looking at? Everyone says they don’t have anything invested towards Smith, whether positive of negative, yet it continues to be negative, small pot shots or questions of why hasn’t Alex signed yet? People should give it a rest. Either suggest an realistic alternative to Smith at QB and why, or just stop talking about him until he possibly signs back. We should be talking about the possible FA WRs and also the possible RG/RT options out there. Smith may be a weakness, but not our biggest weakness currently.
Michael,
Smith is our biggest Weaakness. Read this, Then tell me what you believe our biggest weakness is.
http://bleacherreport.com/articles/1105576-peyton-manning-rumors-5-reasons-the-49ers-must-get-in-on-the-action-for-no-18
Michael,
I believe the QB should be one of the top 5 impact players on a team. Do you?
And going on my theory, if the QB isn’t one of those players, then shouldn’t it be ok to discuss upgrading the spot?
In essence, the 49ers have given that indication if the offer they’ve given #11 is what we think it is monetarily and for the length of guaranteed time that we think it is.
Very well put.
If you actually think that way, then start talking about how it can be made possible. If it were just seriously just about improving the QB, stop taking pot shots at Smith and talk about the QB who can replace him.
Also, I don’t consider Smith the biggest weakness because the viable options to get someone like Peyton aren’t realistic to me. First, health is a concern and from what I have heard, he hasn’t thrown for any teams he’s visited. Second, I think Harbaugh isn’t likely to change how he runs his offense to accommodate Manning. Third, age factor into how much he really has left, especially with that injury and missing a year of football.
That is why I think RG and WR are the biggest needs of the team currently. I feel with all the options out there, Smith coming back at a fair price is the best option for the 49ers this year
Bay,
I agree with that, too. I just happen to think that Smith may become such a player next year. Although, if the 49ers could sign a healthy Peyton Manning [which, is something I don't think PM will be, any time soon], that would be great, as well.
BTW, what do you believe the contract terms to be? Years? Overall money? Guaranteed money?
Also, here is another thing about Manning I have not liked since I have watched him play in the NFL. Everyone talks about Manning improving their chances to get to the Super Bowl. I agree he improves your chances to get into the playoffs, but I don’t like his playoff performances at all, especially for a QB you consider elite. He is a little bit like Matt Ryan imo. Regular season stats are very good, but postseason, he’s average. His postseason record of 9-10 is not very convincing to me.
His only Super Bowl win, he had 3 TD’s and 8 ints in 4 games. That tells me his defense was leading the team and having to do more to erase mistakes Manning created. This was in 2006. Now in 2012, Manning isn’t improving upon those years. How many much he has left, I don’t think his postseason numbers will improve either.
Micheal,
Your position is shallow, like everyone elses when you talk about Manning in the playoffs. The comparison you are making holds no weight.
Did you watch our defense and special teams last year? Forget about the 38 tuenovers. Forget about the pro bowl field goal kicker and the pro bowl punter. Forget about the best special teams in the league.
That’s why we were 1 game away from the super bowl. Yes, Alex played a great game in the Saints matchup. He stunk it up against the Giants and we still almost won the game, save the 2 fumbles.
So now, put Manning in this offense right now. We could plug Rachal in the offense and pick up Terrel Owes for a contract half the size of Moss’s with the same contractual conditions and still win the super bowl.
Our defense and special teams with Manning and it is a wrap. Manning is that much better than Alex Smith. You will see Manning when the season starts. Manning is that good. Hid defenses in INdy were horrible every year. They couldn’t stop a nose bleed.
Talk about Elite, our defense and special teams are Elite!
Jordan, why would Manning’s playoff performances be a shallow argument? We should ignore his past performances which indicate he doesn’t raise his game level in the postseason?
Like I said Jordan, if you want to improve your chances to get to the playoffs, Manning has proven he can definitely do that. However, what he has done since he reaches the playoffs should also something that has to be considered too.
There are 2 different Peyton Mannings when I view them. The regular season QB and the postseason QB. Everyone sees the regular season QB, and that is definitely an elite guy if healthy, but postseason, his performances have not shown me to be any better than even Smith’s.
I think we can agree that Indy’s defense overall wasn’t as good as the 49ers and their offense with Manning was obviously superior. If that were true, then how could they win the Super Bowl in 2006 with Manning’s 3 TD’s and 8 ints through 4 games. Does that not suggest that Manning was not a major factor needed to get them to the Super Bowl and also to win it?
Jordan, would I be correct in saying if Smith had those same stats in 4 playoff games, we would be bashing Smith to no end and saying it wasn’t Smith that lead us to the Super Bowl or won it if he had those stats, it was because of the supporting cast around him, right? This is a factor I look at when I wonder what Manning can do for the 49ers. Its not the complete picture, but you do have to look at his postseason when you consider getting him.
Walton was the team resident buddy. He’s been on the bench so long who knows if he can still play. Fisher is being phased out of the league because he is too old, and his union affiliations could play a part. Bynum is a Monster.
Bill Polian had some interesting comments on ESPN just now. He said going into FA he ( & staff) had a player or two in mind for each tier of players at each position, and a budget for that player. And a sense of where the draft might be strong if FAs aren’t available at a position. He stressed flexibility as important to the process.
@Brotha tuna
Very good observation. With all the wide out signings some decent receivers will fall to the Niners in the first three rounds.
Eddie Royal is taking a physical for the Chargers, according to Schefter. It’s looking like the Niners are going to get Manningham or no one else.
Manningham doesn’t make sense. Brandon Lloyd makes more sense. Moss and Manningham in essence play the same position. Too much money for both of them to be part time….
I still think we are going receiver in the draft….
How do you figure they play the same position?
Lloyd only makes sense if he comes pretty cheap to the 49ers. I’d still rather have Manningham at a solid price, like 4.5-5 mil per for 3 years. 6 mil per from what the going rate of WRs out in the market is a bit high.
I meant same type of receiver. Neither one goes across the middle or the tough catch. The both run the go route.
And Manningham would actually give the Alexcuse crowd fits because he drops an occasional ball or two.
I see. I’m still advocating Marvin Jones in the second round. He’s 6-2, 200 – that’s Jerry Rice size. Perfect flanker size.
Manningham has caused 29 missed tackles over the last 3 seasons (better than any other free agent receiver) and is great in tight spaces according to PFF. Where did you see that he isn’t good across the middle or making the tough catch?
@ … Nice, Grant, throw in the Jerry reference to pull more to your cause. I like it. So Grant, we have three WRs now, and drafting MJ (EGADS!!! It’s a Michael Jordan reference, same initials!!!!!!!) makes 4, so what’s the holdup with Manningham? Why do you propose it as an either-or?
They both play flanker. It seems like the Niners want to get a Morgan replacement and a Moss backup – one flanker and one split end. Jones would be a cheaper flanker option than Manningham.
So then Stephen Hill or Tommy Streeter also? If Moss stays healthy, which he has been his entire career, he shouldn’t need replacing, but an understudy might be a nice term to use. Moss will go deep, we all know that. But you have neglected to mention him as a huge, bigtime RedZone target…
In any case, we need 2 WRs, you say flanker & understudy. You say MJ! Would you also recommend that third Cal WR too?
I don’t think Hill will be there @ 30. Streeter would be a good third round pick if he were available. If not, they could take Michael Calvin on the third day. Calvin would make a good “understudy,” as you say.
I like Manningham over Lloyd, too. MM is younger and faster than BL. With Nicks and Cruz at No.1 and No.2, I don’t think the Giants asked MM to go over the middle too much.
McNutt from Iowa may be a guy to look at in the middle rounds.
Manningham is an outside the numbers guy. If he signs, Crabs will be in the slot when they go 3 wide.
I don’t see a huge difference between Lloyd and Manningham other than age and Lloyd making the odd spectacular catch. Same kind of player.
I think Marvin Jones in the second round would be a reach. He could be had in the mid rounds (4th to 5th is more realistic). Streeter would be a better option in the mid rounds. However, if Sanu slips to the 2nd round, I’d take him.
Wait for the draft, I can’t see overpaying for any receiver that’s a left over. I’d be very surprised if they land Wallace.
Grant why can’t Wallace be in the big pic?
He can be.
I liked Eddie Royal, but he was pretty roundly panned a couple of years ago. Why? Not sure, but something about being unreliable and streaky? Why sign Royal when you already have KW?
@Grant … last year you were all about KW! Don’t let the NFCC game change that. He was set up to fail by KJH.
He’s a good slot receiver, but his special teams value is low now, plus he’s had four concussions.
I disagree about ST value. KJH should have coached him up during the season. It was foolhardy to put Glass Ginn back there all season long and then when he shattered to put it all on the young man. His concussions are worrisome.
Grant, weren’t you a big time KW supporter last season, or are you going to disavow that today too?
BULLETIN: It is 2:03 pm Pacific Time and Alex Smith is still unsigned.
…But spotted Caddying for Trent Baalke.
Nice, Rocket.
Can caddies check down?
Grant, a heads up. In scanning the internet for my 49er news, I prefer separate headings for each news story. While lumping them all together, as you are doing for free agency, is fine, it doesn’t meet my needs for quick checking for developments, so I find myself gravitating to Barrows or Maiocco during the day to make sure I haven’t missed anything. I don’t know how others feel about it.
What? are you expecting tears?
Grant, i know a good counsellor if you need one.
I find Adam Schefter to be pretty fast with updates. For the big picture NFL.com draft tracker is where I go. For discussion…..here, of course.
49erswebzone too.
If mario manningham signs with the 49ers, all signs point toward not taking a wide receiver in the 1st round. Probably go get coby fleener for more versatility or an offensive lineman or trade back and draft for depth at any and every position. The last option seems like the best after Baalke and Harbaughs draft selections last year.
I would take Marvin Jones 2nd round, and Fleener 1st round would be a nice choice imo, since he helps improve 3rd down and red zone with his size and skill. What I wonder is what they will do at RG. If they aren’t able to get a solid FA to replace RG, do they use a 2nd or 3rd to get a RG like Silatolu or Brooks? I’m a little worried if we can depend on a 5th round guard to possibly start this year, but we’ll see.
I’d be shocked if they didn’t sign a guard pretty soon.
how do the niners get wallace…..
have to assume AS is the QB
you have to give up the 1st pick….which is like giving up cap space of what ….i don’t know….maybe a mill
http://www.ninercaphell.com/salary
no sure this helps me a lot if at all …can’t tell how current it is
and then you have to clear more cap space….
spencer space helps with that a bit…..3.3mill was it?
cut haralson creates another 3 mill
niners started with 23 mill cap space and used up 15.5 mill of it correct?
this leaves 7.5 mill for AS and the rest of the draft picks
need to sign goldson so his cap reduces from the current 6.2 down to maybe 4
OK what does this leave 7.5 + 2 (from goldson) + 3 from (spencer) + 3 (haralson) gives 15.5 mill for wallace + AS + draft picks
and this is not taking into account leanard davis or schwartz or manningham….
which leads me to what is the hit to the cap for crabtree….
will the niners trade crabtree and pickup both manningham and wallace…
maybe parag is working these numbers for a scenario and a splash….
did i leave out the savings of the 1st round draft cap space….so maybe 16.5 mill
anyways i not even sure about any of these numbers….maybe i am off by 5 mill…..
need some capologists to provide some real numbers so fantasies can be dreamed with some semblance of possible realities
grant do u have any sources that can provide some actual numbers of cap space left and hits to the cap by spencer, haralson, 1st round giveaway, etc.
The league has to release the details of Rogers’ deal first. Until then, we’re in the dark.
You left out the $16.7 mill carryover from last year…
i think that was part of the original 23 mill
before adding spencer and haralson possible cap space adders….
but again i really don’t know
No. It wasn’t. They were around $16M under, and rolled over another $17M. That’s $33M.
matt put out an article with some clarity today….so niners have 18 mill left in cap space….tip of hat to the pork
http://www.csnbayarea.com/blog/niners-talk/post/49ers-scorecard-Rogers-deal-counts-55-mi?blockID=670846&feedID=5936
23J – What’s taking Alex so long to accept the offer? Baalke & Harbaugh should pull the offer tonight if he takes any longer. I would’ve pulled it yesterday and moved on. Alex should accept any offer from the Niners and be gratefull. As a former #1 overall pick, his career body of work has fallen well short of expectations. The Niners owe him nothing!
Gotta let it play out Crab.
I’m not sure, but the next step in negotiations may involve Smith cleaning Harbaugh’s pool.
Stupid to pull offer though. Gains nothing. This is just you being impatient. Pulling offer would make them seem vindictive. Alex has everything to lose. The only way this gets remotely urgent is if JJ gets an offer while Alex is still in the hinterlands, but even then, H-B probably have contingency like RWilson in the draft…
Rocket, Pork_Bun – Harbaugh’s no fool, he has a plan B in place if needed.
Crabs,
I think Alex feels like the Niners need him as much as he needs them. After all, he is Elite Alex. He is pro bowl worthy. He is “clutch!” He is thelong tewm answer and the organization is lock step with Smith.
What would you do if your BFF head coach said all those good things to the media about you? Alex Smith heard all that and either he believes it, or he thinks JH really believes it. Either way, he’s a damn fool for believing any of it.
After Manning signs, Smith feels like he’s the next best qb on the market. He has to remember that Manning could change everything. Manning goes to Tennesee, then Hasselback is the best option.
The Niners can’t pull their offer right now. They can’t afford to hurt Smiths feelings. You know how fragile they are. The Niners have to give Smith a chance to get the bad news from the rest of the league 1st. JH has already scared the rest of the league away with his proclamations about Elite Alex. Smith hurt his own position with his interview with Kim Coyle. SMith said, the deal would get done. If Smith was discontent, he should have kept his mouth shut.
Jed already said, the offer was on the table and the ball was in Smith’s court. Sounds again like the Niners have given Smith a take it or leave it offer. Just like the do ALL their other potential players. Like Goldson last year, like rogers this year. What makes Alex any more special??
The bigger question is, how long do you allow SMith to think about the offer without taking it? When does TB decide to lock us up a QB? After all, the Smithers don’t want to hear it but Smith is a HOLDOUT right now. Here we are, searching for wideouts for a QB that hasn’t even signed yet.
The Niners have to give Smith a deadline. How much time do you give him to take it or leave it? I give him until Monday morning. In the meantime, I quietly make some calls. Unfortunately, you can’t quietly call Mannings agent, he is the agent for Alex Smith as well.
Watch out for Hasselback CrABS. I think Manning is going to the Titans. hasselback gets cut and then all bets are off for Smith. Hasselback had a good year last year, even though Kenny Britt got hurt. It wasn’t like the Niners weren’t interested last year. Hasselback won’t choose another team this year if he can play for the Niners. He could definitely get us over the hump. He’s clearly a better QB than Smith.
23J – I hear ya loud and clear! I wouldn’t wait until Monday though to pull the offer.
Alex is getting way too cute waiting this long. Take it or leave it Alex! Like it or not, that’s all your gettin!
Do you think Harbaugh can continue his development of Alex Smith or based on your comments on this thread, Alex has reached his ceiling potential and cant get better, regardless of Harbaugh, Moss, and any other playmaker they sign and/or draft on offense?
Just trying to understand your logic with Smith.
Latino,
What exactly do we need to get Alex in order for us to win a super bowl? We thought we had all these playmakers last year, however we didn’t have a 1000 yard receiver. Smith didn’t really get Crabtree involved like he should have until all the other receivers got hurt. Crabs is a volumne receiver. He wants 15 passes. The man has the biggest catch radius omn the team. He had about 8-9 drops this year. He also had at least 5-6 catches that were excellent, tough catches on bad throws.
Alex’s numbers were pretty much the same as they’ve been for years except for turnovers, which is major. Ask anyone on this blog if they expect any more than 5 interceptions from Smith next year. 80% of them will tell you that he will have more. Like you noticed the drops from Crabtree. I noticed the dropped ints from Smith. At least 7-8 easy picks. So it works both ways.
Alex averaged 197 yards passing a game. Last in 3rd down, 29 th passing offense, 30 in the red zone. He doesn’t value 3rd down. He leaned on our special teams waaay toooo much. Manning would’nt do that.
It wasnt all Smith’s fault. Part of the fault has to fall on our coaching and play calling. However, the staff wasn’t willing to gamble on Smith throwing too much or for too far downfield. The playcalling was conservative at times for a reason.
People who love Smith can make all the excuses they want. 7 years is 7 years. I’m out of rope for him here. I say we cut bait, even if it means that we go with Kap and pay Wallace.
If Kap can’t find gold with those receivers, he doesn’t need to be in the league. People have to realize that all we need is 24 points to beat anybody. Manning gives this team 31.
Crabs,
You know me. I didnt want to give him the contract in the 1st place. Now that he’s smelling himself, I’d yank the deal if I were the GM. However, they have dug themselves a hole with this guy. JH blew a ton of smoke up Smiths azz. Does he lose credibility if the Niners pull his contract now? What will guys in the locker room think when JH is telling them what they want to hear.
Most players don’t need the coach to hold their hand. Do you think Navarro Bowman needed JH to tell him that he was an All Pro? Hell no. Patrick Willis, hell no. Justin SMith, hell no. Mike Upati, hell no! Alex is special, but not in an Elite way!
Crab, what happen to you? Reading Jordo’s agenda crap and then you believe it!!? Last year JH said he would sign AS. JH said if AS wanted a new start, “why not here”? This year, they both say he’s coming back and you believes Jordo’s agenda laden garbage!!?
Really?
All pretty decent points 23 Jordan as 7 years is still 7 years regardless of all the turmoil that the organization has endured and that includes Smith.
The numbers from last year to me don’t tell the whole story because the deep passing game was never rally part of the philosphy. The 49 ers faced a lot of 3rd and long and it was obvious the personnel never suited this part of the offense and the offensive line never really was cohesive til week 10 realistically.
The offseason limited a lot of things we dont know about what was installed first to last during traning camp and the trust coaches had in players and vice versa. Regardless my thoughts are with another offseason and some established playmakers that Smith can get us a superbowl so to answer your question:
What exactly do we need to get Alex in order for us to win a super bowl?
I would say another year in the same offense with a legit deep threat in Moss, a fit and motivated Crabtree, possibly another possesion type receiver, and playcalling that “goes for it”
As for Alex, still a lot to prove. More guts, more toughness, and a win at all cost attitude just like the last two drives against the Saints. That’s what I think, you?
Do you think Harbaugh can continue to develop him into a winning QB or do you think he cant and or Smith simply cant do it?
Regardless of where you stand on the Smith subject one thing is clear. The offer is telling Smith that at his current level of play, this is all he is worth and he has one more shot to show improvement. They have a team that can win now and need to improve all the league low passing production. The Moss aquisition eliminates a huge Alexcuse.
Crabs,
Hofer hasn’t been himself lately. Ever since he found out that Smith has had that contract offer for over a month and has not signed it, it’s killing him. He’s been praying for Smith to sign that deal. Can you believe that Hofer thinks that Smith has not signed the deal is because he wants to allow the Niners to use as much of the money as they need to, in order to sign him better weapons???? vHave you ever heard of any lunacy like that?? When has the starting QB wanted the team to pay other players for the team before they even give him a contract???? I can understand if Smith had signed his deal and decided to restructure it so they could give Wallace some money up front, however Smith has no deal at all.
Jed told Alex, the ball is in his court. Hofer has gone BS, I mean DS on us. He’s dummied himself down.
Now, about that Smith contract????????? Nothing new to report!
“because the deep passing game was never rally part of the philosphy. The 49 ers faced a lot of 3rd and long and it was obvious the personnel never suited this part of the offense”
LHeat, well said! Good to see a different perspective for a change.
Jordo, speaking of [dumbing down], what other 9er opinion/comment do you have to offer? Any substance at all that isn’t AS related? I know you are holding out hope that the JH and AS bond is all a hoax. You really believe that listening to all of JH’s pressers that he speaks in *hyperbole* and that he doesn’t shoot straight as it relates to his players. Hmm.
Bayarea, your right, an athlete should always have something to prove and I think that the 49 ers offer to Smith can be one or both of these things. If its the length in years there saying, you have 3 years to prove you can win it all, at any point within that three years you prove it, well tear up the exsisting contract and give you what you want. Smith is saying, if I get hurt, how does that help me, give me 5 years and I guarantee you we will win it all. Its now a pissing contest til something gives.
The second thought is, Smith is saying we have deal, get me some playmakers, spend some money, see what you have leftover and give me the rest of the pot.
Does any of that make sense?
Latino,
Everyone has a right to improve. Yes, Smith played decent in this offense in such a short window of time. However, you made a point when you talked about that go get it attitude. A QB has to have that. He has to be agressive. He has to go for the throat when the defense is leaking. You simply can’t have your QB continuously leaving opportunities on the field against quality opponents. Remember when he missed Delany in the Ravens game on the 1st play? You can’t let that get away. The bad part is that Smith knew he had Delaney, he said so himself. Why didn’t he make that throw? Thats what SMith does not have. He is without that intangible you spoke about. JH can’t give him that. The confidence in your own ability. You have it or you don’t.
CK does not lack that intangible, most QB’s don’t. You need extreme confidence to play the position. You have to be a leader of men. Alex is not even a captain on the team. Some QB’s may not have the talent, but they are not short on confidence. That is Smith’s flaw. He does not even believe in his own abilities. How the hell can I?
Hofer,
Now that I know you believe that crap. I’ve got some beachfront property to sell you in Richmond , California. You’ll love it. Just like Smith loves JH. Bring $500,000 in cash. I’ll meet you there at 3:00 A.M. I’ll be the guy in the white van with the ski mask on. Large bills please. lol
Jordo, it’s 5pm…time for your agenda addiction session. BBBUUUAAAHHHAAAAHHHAAA!
Enjoy debating you you!
23 Jordan, I see your point about “it” and having “it”. I know as fans sometimes we think we know what ‘it” is and for the the previous 5 years before last, I would have agreed with you that Smith not only didnt have “it” he didnt have nothing that was worthy of being an NFL QB.
However, its hard to argue that Smith didnt excel last year and there was more than enough signs that say he is a leader, he can win in pressure packed moments, and he can become an upper echeleon QB. Now for the ladder to happen he needs significant help and the club is starting to do that, and on his part, confidence comes with results and winning 13 games, 6 comeback wins, the backing of the lockeroom, and redefined “killer instinct” it can happen.
Keep in mind he’s only 28 yearsold, lots of time to make “it’ happen.
@Latino
SY at age 28 was not getting his team to the title game. And he had Jerry Rice, and John Taylor to help him. Our WR’s combined skills don’t come close to measuring up against JT’s, much less JR.
DS I think any comparison to the glory days of the 49 ers to todays team and players is so insignificant, I dont even think its a comparison. The game has changed exponetially since then and so has the training and the players overall talent and abilities.
Defenses and coaching have caught up to any and all type of offenses. I dont like comparison of players in different eras cause the game is totally different.
@latino
I don’t think we are comparing the same thing. I am comparing the age of AS vs. SY and what each had done at their respective ages. It is assumed that AS won’t get better because he is 28.
The SY comparison is used to throw that theory into the toilet. SY didn’t get really good until he was 30 and older. And he became a first ballot HOF QB.
And, I feel you can compare weapons on a team. You may not compare stats (especially all that combine stuff) but, you can compare how good a player was at doing his job in his era compared to how good a player is at doing his job in that players era.
If you can’t do that, then how do you determine who was great vs. who had the lucky draw of when they played?
DS, regardless if Young became great after age 30 or not, the point Im making is that the game back then was different than it is today. I hate the debate was Joe Montana better than Roger Staubach? They each played in different eras, different style of game.
Im saying there is plenty of time for Alex Smith to get better, hes only 28, how that relates to Young and him getting better after age 30, not following you?
Alex has everything in place now if they get another receiver especially, what else can the organization do for him, its now or never, no more excuses, hes gotta produce now and at age 28 this is when we need him to make another jump to playing the QB position at a very high level.
@Latino
“Im saying there is plenty of time for Alex Smith to get better, hes only 28, how that relates to Young and him getting better after age 30, not following you?”
Most bloggers here (not putting you into this group) who bring up AS age and years in the NFL say that AS has hit his ceiling.
I bring up SY because he too was in the NFL for quite a while (even in Tampa his team was better than AS had in his rookie year and SY also had better offensive talent around him than AS has now) and didn’t look all that spectacular until several years down the line despite having the greatest player ever, JR. People have this idea that SY was great from day 1. He wasn’t. Even after he took over from JM, he had to get quite a bit better before really challenging the NFL for a Super Bowl run. He had a lot of great years after that point, which is what people remember.
The same exact thing could happen for AS. But some people here actually are cheering that it does not because their ego was so invested into the notion that AS can’t win a game (he won 14),can’t do a comeback like all the great ones (6 of them), can’t win a playoff game (NO Saints) that they can’t handle being wrong. They want AS to fail. Which in turn must mean the Niners have to lose in order for AS to fail. The QB is so important that if the QB fails, the team likely fails. So, I don’t consider them fans.
Niners were at $104m before cutting and resigning players (Spillman & Brooks are included in the 104). Since then, they have cut Shawntae and signed a couple of low cost players, so they hold be above that initial #, which was $32-33M, not $23M. Just add $10M to whatever number you have, then consider Goldson at $5-6M and you’ll have your accurate number.
PBL,
Are you including Rogers in there somewhere? If so, what cap number are you using next year?
No. His 2012 cap hit is unknown. As is Goldson’s. Use $33M then add $3.3M for Spencer, then subtract whatever you want to for Goldson & Rogers ($10M?), then subtract for Moss & Cox and you’re there.
again, think the original number was 23 mill…then add spencer to get 26mill…..
don’t think the number ever made it to 32/33 mill as was perceived a couple of weeks ago…
subtract all the franchise tagging and rogers contract i think brought the number down from 23 to 7.5 ,,,, now add the 3mill from spencer gets it up to 10.5+mill……
so at this point with manningham in house the niners have come to a fork in the road…..do they stop and shop and bring manningham into the fold….. and then would they be satisfied with KW, MC, Moss, Manningham going forward and just look to the draft to find a future WR they can groom when Moss is gone….
or do they take a couple of steps further and go for broke on Wallace by releasing haralson for another 3 mill and maybe even trade crabtree to clear a bit more space plus the cap saved by giving up the 1st pick…
…maybe the go for broke scenario is too much money sunk into the WR position without any guaranteed appropriate ROI whether its due to QB or gameplanning or offensive philosophy, i.e. not having enough balls to go around….
so i am guessing if manningham is signed wallace is passe unless something drastic is done like a crabtree trade….i know i have said this a few times and am not advocating it because even with his drops and possible separation issues i like crabtree….but to if was to go to the extreme on this scenario crabtree would have to be a focal point to make everything work business wise….
Think whatever you want, but the number was $33M
don’t know
here is something i found from matt m supporting the 23 number
http://www.csnbayarea.com/blog/niners-talk/post/Brooks-deal-counts-285-million-against-2?blockID=661356&feedID=2800
matt put out an article with some clarification of cap space….hat tip to the pork….18 mill still remains in cap space….wallace still a possibility…maybe not a reality …comes down to philosophy and how much the niners want to sink into the WR position….it would be clearly a major upgrade for the offense with dual speed (wallace/moss) and dual height (VD/Moss) and multiple redzone/3rd down targets (Moss/VD/DW/crabtree/wallace/gore-hunter-miller)…..so if it is not a money issue then maybe just maybe it becomes a QB issue being able to distribute the ball to multiple targets….guess i would go for wallace and if the QB becomes the issue then get it resolved next year….
http://www.csnbayarea.com/blog/niners-talk/post/49ers-scorecard-Rogers-deal-counts-55-mi?blockID=670846&feedID=5936
I still think drafting Coby Fleener in the first round at the very least makes the 49ers offense a top 10 offense because a team cant cover randy moss, vernon davis coby fleener, and crabtree, one of those guys will have a very favorable matchup where Alex should throw the ball up for any one of these guys to go get…
Grant, Any update on what Alex Smith had for lunch?
Awaiting confirmation on earlier reports linking Smith to a California roll and a glass of lemonade.
Not correct Grant, I just heard from the inside he is having a Hebrew National with Kraut in San Diego, this peculiar wiener reports to a higher authority
rumer has it that he dropped the California roll but was able to pick it up and throw it away before being sacked by the waiter..
*rumor
Manningham has visits scheduled with the Dolphins and Bills, according to Barrows.
Here’s what I think happened today. The Niners tried to convince Manningham to sign for cheap and be a part of “something special,” Manningham said, “I’d like market value, please.”
The Niners said, “We’re not inclined to give that to you,” and he said, “I bet the Dolphins or the Bills are.”
So, I highly doubt the Niners sign Manningham. Baalke will most likely have to find his replacement for Joshua Morgan in the draft.
then i guess i will be looking for a tell……
if haralson is cut then maybe wallace re-enters the conversation….
finding a rcvr in the draft like a hill and grooming him is still pretty risky for any sort of early returns if needing to clearly improve the offense (in such a way that an opposing defense has to game plan to take the new WR into account) to reward the niner defense for its presumed future greatness…..
the niners did find aldon smith ….. so maybe i will just have to look forward to the scouting staff coming up with a gem as they seem to have done nicely to date….
Something Special ? He had something Special this year, with a Super Bowl ring.
Bay, Manningham doesn’t go over the middle? Wish that was actually true, because if it were he wouldn’t have caught that slant in the end zone to win the championship game.
Hammer,
That catch was just as close to the corner as it was to the middle. Just inside the numbers. I’ll never forget that play. I’ve watched it 50 times. Brock gets beat on 3rd and 15 f rom the 17 for a touchdown. That was a play we used to give up when our defense was garbage, like 4 years ago.
Any word or update on Manningham situation? That would be a huge pick-up for the offense.
He’s scheduled to fly back across the country to visit the Bills and Dolphins, so I doubt he signs. Too expensive for Baalke.
Hes looking to get paid because he’s already won the SB and still young… I dont think we can entice him with the “sign with us for less but win” like we could with an aging WR that hasn’t won. Its too bad if we cant afford him.
That sales pitch might work for Lloyd though. But that would leave us with 3 diva WRs
If Manningham is to expensive for Baalke is Wallace to? Or is that to expensive for what talent manningham brings?
Too expensive for the talent.
I would not pay the money they want for manningham! he is overrated and played with two great other WR and QB! its time for the draft now since all the good Wideouts signed already.
After locking up Mario and Stevie I don’t see the Bills paying Manningham.
Bills and Dolphins? Really? What a joke! Sign for 2 years, wait for the new television contract to hit, establish yourself as the Niners new “Guy,” win a couple of SBs, and re-sign a monster deal in 2014… what a chump!
Still think the only WR worth paying $$$ is Wallace. I want that speed on our team NOW burrito or no burrito :P
Forget all this Alex Smith Burrito talk…
I spotted his replacement CK7 and his RT Ant.Davis dunking on peeps at 24 Hour yesterday!!! Ck7 is one badass athlete!!!
Is this true?
true… And Ant Davis looks like he’s dropped fat and put on muscle. Dude moves quick for a big guy
CK’s reel from UN is otherworldly! I hope Alex scrams. There’s no point in waiting any longer.
DROP ALEX
DROP ALEX
DROP ALEX
DROP ALEX
DROP ALEX
DROP ALEX …
@Tim
Still think that there is not a CK camp vs. AS camp?
The “start the backup guy” is the biggest cliche in sportsdom. If you know nothing about anything, your default position is start the guy who’s not starting. T’was ever so, will ever be.
Very true rib.
Look at the source and it will all make perfect sense. Pork has a fascination for a guy who has basically not played any real meaningful time over the guy who did and lead us to the title game in spectacular fashion.
Then you have the Jordos who take it to ludicrious extremes, who want *another* team’s backup to be the starter here. lol.
It doesn’t get any more hilarious than that. Except maybe 60,000, md and bay included, chanting “we want Carr!”
How’d that song you did go?
Song did great! It’s still relevant for next year too. Only player I mention is Willis and he ain’t going anywhere
Drop the Wallace talk!!!
Will NEVER happen!!! $10M, #1 pick, more $ than any other offensive player… NOT GONNA HAPPEN
Never say NEVER PBL!!! ;)
Everyone’s underestimating Moss, IMO. I’d love to get Wallace, but the only way to make it worthwhile is to let Alex go. That would be fantastic! Still, though, we’d lose opp to draft Fleener, who at 6’6″ with knowledge of the Harbaugh/Roman offense will have immediate monster impact…
I’d rather get Fleener for the price than pay $$$ for Wallace. And I think Alex knows CK7 is hot on his tail.. even if Alex signs I see CK7 making a push. Dude is freak athlete!
Well go Randy …. Hopefully your knees and ego hold up..
Very true Fleener would be an instant fit.
Agreed.
Breaking News from 49er front office. Press release from Balke.
Hit the road Alex and don’t you come back no more, no more, no more, no more.
Hit the road Alex and don’t you come back no more.
What you say?
Hit the road Alex and don’t you come back no more, no more, no more, no more.)
Hit the road Alex and don’t you come back no more.
Here’s to Grant!
And to a magnificent haul in the draft. Marvin Jones & Michael Calvin! Being me two local studs to stay for a decade and let us be free from the woeful horrors of Jan-Michael Crabtree!
PBL, I love CAL as well, been a huge fan since the days of the late Joe Roth. But can you tell me which awards Marvin Jones & Micheal Calvin have won in college?
We waited 7 years for Alex to prosper. I’m giving Crabtree one more year, before I throw the hate bombs. I guess i’m not to keen on closing the door on our #1 WR just yet.
Are we really that desperate at QB to keep Alex around? The others teams with no QB options dont even want him.
I know you occasionally get railed in here GC but I pretty much get what you’re trying to get across and you genuinely dig the 49ers, but I’m wondering where you developed your theory about what’s going to happen with the Manningham negotiations. I have my own thoughts about that but I wanted to give you the benefit of the doubt and ask you
Just a guess.
So the Niners released Spencer and freed up a little over $3 mil in cap space.
Grant, what’s the theory? Just making some more room to move or you think they’ve got an eye on a guy? Manningham will probably be a bit pricey – could that be where we’re going? Anyone else moneywise out there we’re not seeing?
What I’m hearing is that the draft is loaded with quality O-line guys (pretty deep there) and that if we landed Manningham we could concentrate on one of those guys? M&M with Crabs and Vernon… whew… that could be dangerous.
I guess I could add Eddie Royal to the mix. I’d almost rather see Crabs in the slot though.
Hmm…
Grant… let’s just pretend for one sec that Smith signs with another team. In your opinion would they A.) Try an sign someone like Flynn for the long term or B.) Try an sign someone like Josh Johnson to compete with CK7 or C.) Give the keys to CK7 and sign a vet back-up like Matt Leinart for insurance
B.
Grant Cohn,
You’re very welcome for the information. The Smithers don’t see what we see. They don’t understand that Alex is a MAN and although it may not be huge, Smith also has an ego. He’s not going to let the Niners shove a contract down his throat and make him look bad. He’s been through a lot and he feels like the team shows him how much they appreciate him.
He does not realize that the team does not value him as much as he thinks. JH realizes that you can’t have an open competition at QB if you give Smith starter money, although you know he could lose his job. What Smith did last year is not going to be good enough this year. Just look at our schedule. Look at our division.
Both JH and TB senses that Kap is on Smiths heels and could surpass him this year. Can’t sit your $10 million starter down before the season starts, if he loses his job during the preseason. Not a good look.
Kaepernick does seem like the type of QB who could properly take advantage of Moss on the field.
Jordo, a little agenda? Not much!!! LMAO
grant how about fleshing out your argument a bit by going into other tangibles….not just arm strength
The main comparison for Kaepernick is Randall Cunningham, who was a beast throwing to Moss. He could scramble and throw it down field.
Grant,
You know what Moss has always said, ” Man, just chuck it up there, I’m going to get that thing man!”
Exactly, and that’s not Smith, it’s Kaepernick.
Hofer,
You’re getting a little nervous about losing your american idol? Yes sir you are. Be afraid Hofer, be very afraid. It’s becoming a reality. Pack your bags for Jacksonville!
I personally think CK7 has a legit chance to beat out Alex this year with a full off-season. He has a gun and could easily get it down field. Just needs to work on the touch throws
“You’re getting a little nervous about losing your american idol? Yes sir you are. Be afraid Hofer, be very afraid.”
Jordo, how old are you??
How many SB’s did RM win with RC? LOL
Gary Anderson missed the kick in the NFC championship game that would have sent them to the Super Bowl. It was the only kick he missed all season. I was ten but I remember that clearly.
I used the Randal Cunningham comparison back in January. Good call. Lanky, athletic, great feet, really good twitch movement and the long delivery. Although, they say that they have greatly shortened CK’s delivery….
Grant,
Exactly. Let’s do it. I’ll throw my hatr in the ring with CK. Just need some help with the slant. The hell with it. We’ll substitute the slant for the 9 route. No biggie!
GC, that’s a Randallexcuse! Why didn’t he throw more TDs prior to the missed FG? lol
You got me there!
Those Cohn’s have a good sense of humor!
I wouldn’t count on Moss unless he’s here after training camp. He could be in the middle of a play in camp and then walk away from football just like that. I’m all for the signing but I don’t pin my hopes on him .
They’re all waiting to see what happens with the Manning thing. Always happens this way, gotta wait to see what terms the top dog gets then all the others fall in line afterward.
Grant,
Wasn’t that Dante Culpepper throwing to Randy Moss?
Randall Cunningham went 15-1 throwing to Moss in ’98.
Should’ve known better than to not look it up.
The Fal-cones had this cheap rug that was stitched together with a huge seam in the middle that Garrison Hearst got caught in and broke his ankle. First play of the game on an 8 yard carry. Cost him two years, and us a shot at the SB.
interesting moss was on two teams that only had 1 loss in a season
How about D. Go after Drew Brees. He’s been franchised but can still sign with another team if that team is willing to give up 2 first round draft choices. I know he’s big money but he’s a truly elite QB and well worth the compensation. and if the saints match whatever deal the niners offer it will put them in tough straights with the salary cap. It’s not the 9ers M.O. but…
Matt Maiocco likes Early Doucet as a potential signing for the Niners, for what it’s worth.
We mentioned him here last week along with MManningham and RMeachem as tier 2/3 guys that would fit. If they think they will be outbid, why bring these guys in?
Oh. My. God.
Can you imagine Goldson and Doucet in camp together.
Hahaha. Wow. To be a fly on the wall for that one.
@Adam
I don’t think it is like the old days. Players switch teams all the time. Only a really stupid revengeful player would hold a grudge over whatever stupid thing caused that little tussle in that game.
I mean JM was fine with Jim Burt coming to the Niners after Burt had knocked JM out, nearly killing him. If JM can forgive that, DG better be able to forgive Doucet.
P.S. I remember when the Niners first signed Burt. Burt was being interviewed, and JM came flying in from behind and gave Burt a pretty good shove and ran off laughing as Burt laughed with him. Funny how I remember that interview more than any other from the Dynasty years.
Grant, MM “borrowed” that Early Doucet thing from your board. I brought that up to you yesterday. At least when I take his stuff I give him credit…sheesh ; )
Early Doucet anyone? mini camps should be interesting with him and goldson..
I’d take a shot at QB David Garrard and bring him in – at least – for competition.
Garrard passed for 16,003 yards with 89 touchdowns and 54 interceptions during his nine seasons in Jacksonville. He’s a solid, tough, experienced QB. Full career stats:
http://sports.yahoo.com/nfl/players/5994
We have Gerrard…..He wears #11
He’s a game manager. The NFL is the toughest sport to be away from and make a comeback after being sidelined for a years time.
Grant,
Unless you heard otherwise I’m almost positive Cartwright was signed for his kick-off return skills.
In DC, where I live, this was his primary focus while being a change of pace back for Clinton Portis. He showed signs of flashes when subbing or playing for the hurt DC backs. I see him providing the same services as KH. But not overtaking his job. Maybe they don’t want Hunter returning kicks along side Ginn anymore. If Ginn is gone I can see RC and some young player back there. This is an insurance pick up for RB and a special team starter. It has been noted TB wants special team players that can also fill in on O or D.
If Cartwright is close to his ability from 3 years ago this is a safe low risk signing.
“Cardinals “close” to re-signing Levi Brown”– whatever that means
Looking at our Cap numbers for the rest of the year and who we have left to sign I would do what we can to sign Smith to a reasonable contract and make him continue to earn his long tern existence. This is a QB driven passing league period.
Then I would go after Mike Wallace – HARD. Pay him #1 money. It is only his 3rd year and his last 2 years have been super productive. If we sign him to a 4-5 year deal and he catches 50+ balls and 8+ TDs while keeping the defense honest that is worth #1 dollars even if he is not a 100+ WR. So arguably we can find someone in the draft that can sort of do this and maybe do that…for the cheap. Kind of like the kid in Baltimore. But if deep threat on the outside is what we are missing. Let’s get him. The dude is actually turing into a fine wr, running the curls and in routes too.
Put Crabs in the slot (b/c that is really what he is) rotate Moss and some other WR on the other side. Mix in our TEs. Com’on…
Mike’s stats since joining the NFL
REC YDS AVG LNG TD
39 756 19.4 60 6
60 1,257 21.0 56 10
72 1,193 16.6 95 8
Full disclosure I was begging for the Niners to pick up B. Edwards.
Damn you BE, damn you. what happened.
Still they should go hard for Wallace. Continue to groom CK. It would be sick is CK stepped in mid year or in 2013 with Wallace streaking down the field.
9ers just aren’t giving big money to anybody until they prove their worth in a red and gold uniform.
Then we are stuck with role players at the WR position unless a gem comes in the draft.
Royal, Ducett, Shilins (excuse spellings) these are role playas. Manningham…hmmm, hard to tell. He showed flashes but never really took over when he had the chance ya know.
Maybe they’re intent on drafting Kendall Wright in the first round – trading up a few spots for him if they gotta.
GC, what about CK to Mia?
Probably not worth it to the Niners even if the Dolphins wanted to do it. Best case scenario they could draft Floyd. Kaepernick’s probably more valuable to the Niners than Floyd.
Yup. From a WR standpoint that’s ok for JH and TB. They’ve shown that they can have a great year without a whole lot of production from that position. They draft well so they should have a quality rookie developed by the end of the year. I think they should try and make a splash but the only guy out there worth big money now is Wallace.
For what? unless it’s straight up for a first rounder it’s not worth it.
GC, one thing is for sure, the *delay* in the AS contract has helped add blog hits to your metrics. You better hope they keep him. lol
Grant, or maybe Stephen Hill.
@hofer
Are you out of your mind? Trade CK?
Nick, GC brought up a hypothetical CK trade to Mia for their #8 pick in the 1st round since they are need for a QB. Cool your jets it was just discussion noise. lol
Evan Silva of Pro Football Talk just tweeted this: “Wonder if #49ers might end up getting Alex Smith cheaper than initial offer, after FA cools a bit. Not like anyone else wants him. Why pay?”
Alex better hurry up and sign.
It won’t be less than what CK is making now and they are going austerity program obviously. lol
AS has taken the beating for this long. A 3 year contract with incentives should be music to his ears.
Shawnrod,
+1000. JH really made Smith a believer, in himself! lol
Not unless it’s 3 years but only two are guaranteed. My guess by the way is a 3 year 24 million with an opt out in the third year plus incentives….
They wanted Fitz money I bet which would have been $50 million with a five year contract…
even Fitz isn’t worth Fitz money.
Neither was Bay’s “flavor of the month” last year, KKolb. Now with Jordo it’s JJ.
What brilliance never to be seen before! lol
Hofer,
at least I admit it. And I still think Kolb has upside. His Oline was poor. But he wasn’t what I thought he was. You on the other hand will not admit elevens limitations…
Bay, you and I can have an adult convo and yes you have admitted it. I have also stated here many times that whatever JH wishes to do I’m all in.
I think Kolb isn’t the right fit for AZ. More of a WCO type.
Nobody is worth the money unless someone is willing to pay.
Exactly. Why would you, as a GM, pay a player more than the market demands. That is what this whole Smith holdout has been all about. The Niners can almost do anything they want to do with Smith at this point. Both parties locked Smith in. The Niners are not pot committed to him. Not one dime. Give Smith what he’s worth, not what a starting QB is worth. He’s Elite Alex, he’s A Pro Bowler, he’s “Clutch!” He’s unsigned!
It does make me a little bad for Alex. Has his best year, goes to the NFC Championship game and still gets no respect. Not that he played out of his mind but damn…
Benny,
But it is a business right. We , as fans and executives and players alike, are trying to win the super bowl. Only people who love Alex the person, believe he is Elite. JH obviously does not believe that. Or else, he’d be getting 5 years and $60 million. It’s not personal, its just business.
Hear ya. I like what the Niners are doing. GM very impressive. I think it will get done, but on the short.
The problem is even though JH says the positive media spin he can’t and won’t put full rep on the line with some massive signing. V. Davis and P. Willis, NO QUESTION what these guys have to offer. Above and beyond at their positions. Alex not so much. This was his best year but we can’t wreck the team financially for him. Plus, we are grooming CK. He has to know that. This is open competition, if he improves the next 2 years then the team can make a decision on long term future to end his career here, but for now he needs to stay head strong and know there are questions and CK.
I hope he signs I hope he improves greatly.
Jordo, save it for Tim. He’ll be along shortly. lol
@ Benny
Super Bowl”SSSSS”
;)
Makes me sick to see Pitt and NYG rack up trophys…sick I tell ya, sick
Shawnrhod,
Very well said. We’re asking Smith to face reality. Somehow, he thought he turned the corner after 1 mediocre season. Maybe he believed all the Alexcuses on this blog. Maybe he blamed the bad O lines and the coaching hes had for 6 years as well.
He’s gotta be a bit more realistic with himself about this situation. If he plays lights out for a couple of years, I’m sure the Niners will pay him, or someone else will. The league knows what he has been and what he was this year. My question is, why doesn’t Hofer?
I can imagine that Alex thinks his cell phone is broken right now!
Evan Silva stole my thunder from last week. I said why not get him as cheap as possible. The longer he waits, the price could get lower. Thats good! Harbaughs Jedi mind tricks has Smith in an elite thinking cloud. Now if he could play like that. It would be nice
I don’t think they’ll lower the offer… Alex will eventually sign
Last comment was for 23jordan… .well EVEYONE.
go Niners
You tellin me!! I know 50 Steelers fans and they let me have it regularly before that Bronco game. They are a little groggy right now though and awfully humble and soft spoken. Not very Steeler like! lol
From MM:
“Quarterback Alex Smith and the 49ers still have not come together to execute the document on a new contract. But despite the delay, I sense no less certainty from either side that a deal will eventually get done. . . .”
Thanx for the non-news Maiocco. At least Grant had an update on Alex’s lunch.
No revelation here Hofe. The Org and Alex are only negotiating the ‘guarantee’ monies along with monetary awards for meeting goals and incentives.
In negotiations every positive/negative body of work along with the supervisers positive remarks (regarding his/her employee) are brought to the table. Alex had a good body of work in 2011 and was certainly supported by his coach with words like; “he’s an elite QB” and “he’s our guy.” I have to believe that Alex and Condon are bringing those very comments to the negotiating table.
Final analysis: Alex will sign soon with a bus-load of incentive monies. Sticking point; Org not waving on the guarantee monies.
AES, agreed. AS is not an idiot. The contract will get done and let’s hope he gets some receivers that aren’t only TEs!
@Grant: Is it possible for you to pick up the phone and call Garrett Chisolm to see if he is working out at the 49ers facility? Or call Solari or Drevno to get their read on why they picked him up? The kid is a RG and it would be interesting to hear what the coaches think his role will be in 2012. Thanks.
By the way, how do you change your avatar?
Latino,
Go to gravitar.com and sign up.
Flynn to sign with Seattle!
Miami out of the Manning bidding, owner Ross currently airborne cross-country, headed to San Francisco to try to outbid SF in their attempts to sign Alex Smith…
Payback for losing Harbaugh?
Pork,
I wish you were spot on with that one. I do think you are right about Flynn and Seattle. i heard he was sspending the night there. Usually, that means he’s not leaving without a deal. It seems to me that Miami already has Smith, he wears # 8( Matt Moore). I wish you were right though.
Pork,
We got this defense locked in for the next 2 years. People can call me a hater if they want. I’m not taking a chance on Smith as my QB if all I need to do is upgrade my QB and draft me some elite speed at wideout in order to win 2 super bowls. I say, get JJ in here, watch for Hasselback getting cut, and let’s roll.
Hasselbeck for sure gets released if Manning goes to the Titans but I’d think he’d go to Cleveland to help out Holmgren.
So unknown Josh Johnson gives the Niners a better chance to win the super bowl than Alex Smith?
I hope we at least give him a shot in this offense. He can run this show well.
Your full of pork
Eddie Royal just agreed to terms with the Chargers.
Too bad. I liked him more than VJax. I guess SD should know. They do play Denver 2x a year and saw Royal run thru them.
DS did you read and respond to my post about Crabs continued arrow up type improvement in the second year of the same system? I dont want to go look for it in a 700 post blog.
@waterman
Yes. I did.
You can find the reply rather quickly.
Just use your find (Ctrl + F) option of your browser, and enter “waterman says” Or you can look for “second year” (any word/phrase which you think is unique in your post)
You will move to all the posts you wrote,and find the appropriate one rather quickly.
If you want to reply to it, just copy paste my post and your reply over here and we can discuss it more if you like.
TG won’t get many nibbles so he will be back with a dollar friendly amount from the austerity budget JY has given TB. lol
He’ll go to detroit before he comes back here.
looks like the draft and whatever leftovers the niners can grab on the cheap
TO (too old) is still available. He and Moss could have a wheelchair joust to see who gets #81.
4.5 40 in a weelchair! holy crap!
This just in………Alex Smith is still not a 49er. So I guess bashing him means nothing at this time. He’s not OUR QB. Hmmmmm lol
I’m look forward to CK starting so I can put the bashing shoe on the other foot! lol
Good point,
He’ll hopefully be a Jagusr pretty soon.
lol Hoff…. I wouldnt doubt it. Onelame would be a terror on here if Smith left. “If he didnt jump off a building. lol
J23 You think Jacks would take him if he didnt resign here? I cant see Smith being that stupid. He is nothing without Harbaugh. I cant imagine him wanting another OC lol
Jacksonville already signed another QB. Smith has nowhere to go really. I just tease Hofer about Jville because that was the only place before they signed someone else.
It’s scary that Smith really has nowhere to go. Hofer said Smith is waiting to help the team sign other free agents. Tell me if you think Jed York knows anything about this HoferAlexcuse.
Q: Do you expect to have Alex Smith signed by start of free agency?
York: “We hope so. We have a lot of contact going back and forth and the ball’s in his court. He knows that we want him to be here. We’ll see how it ends up”
characterize negotiations?
York: “Things have been good. I think Alex is just trying to figure out what he wants to do.”
Q: Are you at your highest offer to him?
York: “I’m not going to talk about where we are. We have good conversations going back and forth and hopefully Alex gets everything locked up soon”.
Sounds to me like the ball really is in Smith’s court. I don’t think jed would have said what he did 4 days ago, knowing Smith was trying to help the team out in free agency.
Hofer, can you work on a different spin now with regard to the Alex Smith holdout!
Poor Jordo, too bad you don’t have a little MD in ya! lol
Hofer,
I lead, I don’t follow. You should know that by now if you don’t know anything else. By the way, hows that Smith contract looking? How much of his salary did he say TB could use for free agents. Hopefully ALL of it! Bwahahahahahahah. Your theory is DS, I mean BS!!
Jordo, you need a refresher class in leadership *IF* you believe that is the case. Sad.
Keep it classy. No Alice stuff.
Sorry Grant bad joke.
I’m actually not anti-Alex. I think he’s a solid QB.
Grime….. Just because your anti losing doesnt mean your a “hater” Using the name Alice does.
I see how the term “Alice” is offensive to people but I was actually making fun of the people who call him that. I do think we can upgrade the QB position but only with someone proven(Brees,Manning) or someone Harbaugh developes(Kap,Tolzien).
MD, agree. Too bad the former 2 HC’s didn’t get the lions share of that losing blame. TEE HEE!
Hoff they did from me. Couldnt stand MN and MS. But accuracy and no field vision doesnt fall on them. Ahhh the good ol days. Anyone who stuck it through those years are die hards. Not like these NEW fans and car flags I see flying. My 9 year old flags STILL fly, like they have every year. Even when laughed at. Shoot they have been re-sown 3 times.
“Not like these NEW fans”
Hey MD, I was here! We had some battles on here when MM and EB were running the blog eh?
lol. Yes we did Hoff. I think the layout on this sight is the best, but for quick solid news MM is the man……….No offense Mr Cohn. =-)
@grimey
I don’t think that much about MC. But, I don’t need to feminize his name in some sort of effort to demean him and make him less than any other player.
Haters do that. If you are giving a player a harsh evaluation, you don’t need to make up such terms. If you hate a person, then you do use such terms.
@DS
Sorry I’m having a disconnect here. I would respond but I’m not sure I understand your statement or why it’s directed towards me. Are you lumping me in with the “haters”? Clarification please.
@grimey
No. I am not calling you a hater. That was not my intent. Sorry if it came out like that.
: – )
cool. we’re good.
The Alice term has been back for a while now Grant.
Doing my best over here.
DS…Nobody likes a rat. There has been worse terms than that on here. Check Onelame.
@md
While you are at it, check out 23J being disrespectful and changing my name.
I call him 23J. He does not return the favor.
BS,
I don’t care what you call me. I don’t like you or what you stand for. Whatever you are . How did you like that. I’d prefer you not reference my name. How about that BSBSBSBSBSBS234462hsnxyz
Maybe you are already in hell. Would make sense.
Who was the wide out Parcells used to call “She”.
@Andrew – Terry Glenn
@msclemons67
Thanks, I can’t stop laughing because anywhere Parcells went he took Glen with him.
YEAH!!!! And leave Rachel alone. He’s going to be a stud for us. lol
MD, did you drink your dinner? lol
Hey If it works for Alex then it works for Chilo. Wheeew! And I only drink on weekends. I do work. lol
Maybe its because im old but, whats with all the initials? PM TB JH MC FG DK VD RM KH JJ HJ CX BK? WEll u get the point. has this blog jumped into the im age. I dont speak text. guess i gotta use a SF dictionary to see who everyone is talking about. Lol.. Go Ns
How many times do you wanna type Harbaugh and Kaepernick?
Steel, sorry not going to change. BTW, it’s not that difficult.
I know. They got me doing it too. Sometimes I dont know who the hell they’re talking about. lol <————- You get that one right? tee hee
DS no you did not respond to my response lol.
You did not think crabs could get better in the second year because he cant learn faster and wont have better hands.
Here is what I said
I don’t know everything but here’s a few. Knowing the playbook. Just knowing where to go without thinking about it lets you focus on beating the corner and catching the ball. Hopefully a full off season with reps, lots of reps with AS. Last year I saw flashes of goodness and I hope to see more if he is a 49er. : )
How about a season where he’s healthy all the way through?
I said the second year in the same system will be as good for crabs as it would be for AS. I have mixed feelings about crabs but he had a good year and im hoping for better one next year.
agreed. I was saying being healthy is another benefit. I look forward to a 80 catch 1000 yd season from him.
@grimey
When he was drafted, we knew he had a foot injury.
It has now been 3 full years since. Maybe he never does get healthy. The longer this foot injury lingers, the more likely that is true. So, why keep an injured player who won’t get better?
Waterman, you are reading my mind. My gut tells me it will be 4 years but not sure the dollars. I’m sure the 9ers will cover themselves with a guarantee and base where they have an out after a couple of years – just good business sense.
@DS
Because he worked through it last year and was healthy and productive at the end of the reg. season. So this year he will start out healthy and hopefully stay that way. football is a violent sport though so there are never any guarantees.
@grimey
I remember the same thing after his rookie year and his second year.
His foot was hurting him. He didn’t participate in TC. He didn’t have chemistry with AS and as the season wore on, they slowly got something going.
Thing is….that has been true 2 years in a row. If MC can’t get chemistry with JH’s guy by now, then what does that mean?
DS, It means that he has missed training camp each year, and because of the late start it takes him and Alex to get on the same page.
Crabtree will be in the lineup come opening day.
1st year was his fault he held out for more money. 2nd year he had a strained neck and yer neckbone ain’t connected to yer footbone. 3rd year he had the foot recurrence. let’s hope this is the year where everything works out. If not he can hit free agency and the Redskins can overpay him.
@Jack
Think back to when Edwards first got here. He and AS seemed to have some chemistry going pretty quickly. If not for Edwards injury, they would have had something pretty special.
The point being that AS and Edwards clicked with one another rather quickly. MC and AS have not after 3 years.
@grimey
In year 2, MC was looking all smirk and secure near the end of TC and VD didn’t appreciate it. The two got into an argument. AS said that he needed to get in tune with his WR’s. Then game 1 game, and AS was horrible. But he was only horrible throwing it to MC to start the year. If you take that away (his passes to MC), AS was actually pretty decent in year 2 of MC. I place a lot of blame on MC’s approach in that TC. Injured or not, he seemed rather full of himself like he could just step onto the field and be great. Even when the QB was telling the press he needs reps with the guy. So you know that the two must have talked about it somewhat.
DS says, “Think back to when Edwards first got here. He and AS seemed to have some chemistry going pretty quickly.”
Yes DS, how can I forget that great 3 catch – 24 yard game he had in the season opener. That was an unbelievable performance.
Don’t let reality get in the way of your MC agenda. Truth is, in the regular season MC had only 4 games where he had 3 catches or less.
BS,
You sound like the biggest idiot bashing Crabtree with no foundation. At least when I bash Smith, I have apathetic career to reflect on. Crabtree is a product of a horrible QB and agent. How many times did Smith miss a wide open Crabtree for Touchdowns? How many overthrows? How many drops , 9.
We need a QB, not elite wide receivers.
Jordan, We need both actually. One can’t function without the other right? Where are you finding the drop stat for Crabtree? I have looked for that and this catch/drop ratio and don’t find anything for 2011.
No Jack
There was a preseason game in which AS threw a pass to BE which he never threw to MC before. And BE caught it. A bunch of people here (I was not posting at that time) said that it looked like AS has that missing chemistry thing that he and MC have lacked.
I thought you said you didn’t much care about stats. Especially using the game 1 stats. The Niners offense was anemic in that game. BE looked fine to me. I was giving the whole offense the benefit of a doubt.
And, I was rewarded for doing so. 13-3 record. Title game appearance. Just add another real WR and this team will be as unstoppable as they come.
Unfortunately MC wasn’t in that first game to get more than 3 catches. 4 games is 1/4 the season Jack. Or 25% of the season in which he was the primary WR he failed to get that number of catches. So, is that “good” in your view? Include the playoff games,and that would be 5/17 games or 29%. Add the fact that he had almost as many drops as catches in the playoffs and his bad production games is at 6/17 = 35%.
Nearly 1/3 of the season he had a bad game. Is that “good” Jack? That isn’t even looking into which games he had multiple drops in, which would increase that number of bad games. Add the number of games which he had with more than 1 drop and the ones in which he failed to get at least 4 catches, and I bet it is closer to 50% of all games.
I’m pretty sure one of those games was against the Cards when PP took MC to school. Guess who is going to get better next year? And who MC will be up against if MC is the #1 WR? The Cards will give us fits if MC plays like he did in game 2 (which we lost by the way) and PP gets better (real possibility there).
@23J
Find a place to rot and die. You don’t have any life besides being a jerk. The world has plenty of them. It does not need you.
DS, That was a great catch IN PRESEASON! Really? Your agenda is showing serious signs of cracking.
You are right DS, stats aren’t a big deal, case in point, each of those regular season games where he had less than 3 catches were wins, so it didn’t hurt the team?
“Just add another real WR and this team will be as unstoppable as they come.”
Exactly DS, so why do you want to cut him again when he is one of only 3 on your roster?
“I’m pretty sure one of those games was against the Cards when PP took MC to school.”
Uh, not so much. Crabtree repeatedly beat Peterson like a drum in both games to the tune of 14 catches for 193 yards and 1 TD.
I believe it was a one handed catch on the sidelines. And don’t get mad at me. I wasn’t posting it. Get mad at those who made the statement. How many 1 handed catches have we seen from MC in 3 years?
No Jack. MC was kicking PP all over the field in the first game. He dominated PP. I was all thrilled.
Then the second game came, and MC was toast. In just a few weeks, MC went from taking PP to school to having been schooled. Nice work by the way combining the two games. No “AGENDA” there. Whatever.
The announcers for that 2nd game even mentioned it a few times. How PP was so much better in game 2.
Guess who has the bigger up arrow? The guy in his 3rd year or the rookie?
“You are right DS, stats aren’t a big deal, case in point, each of those regular season games where he had less than 3 catches were wins, so it didn’t hurt the team?”
Then why do you keep bringing stats up. You did again with the 2 Cards games. And it is very comforting to know that the #1 WR didn’t hurt the team by not catching the ball. That gives me comfort. Of course, you are neglecting the most important game when he only had 1 catch.
You are the one who keeps trying to manipulate stats. MC has improved every year DS. Not. He only had 4 games catching this few number of passes. Well,that is actually more than 1/4 of the season. And, which games exactly did he have those few catches in? Did the Niners lose any of them? Which ones? You pull up stats, and I just keep knocking them down.
Guess who is the one with the agenda?
Do you work for a political firm now? You have a habit of only bringing up certain stats and combining them in a way that makes your position look good. And not objectively at them to see what they are really telling you. Combing the totals for 2 games? Come on now.
DS, You are the one who just used a PRESEASON catch to justify your point no one else, unfotunately that was the one bright spot during his time here. Have you forgotten how many times Crabtree had to make leaping catches in full stride to catch an errant Smith pass? Of course you have because you don’t like Crabtree, but you love Alex.
There was no manipulation of stats. Game 1, 7 catches 120 yards, 1 TD. Game 2, 7 catches 63 yards.
Also remember, game 2 is the one in which the defense kept giving the offense in great field position, but they couldn’t convert for TD’s. The field position played a part in the total offensive output being lower in that game.
The only reason I keep pushing back on you regarding Crabtree is because it makes absolutely zero football sense to make that move right now. You have 3 signed receivers and you want to cut the one that is either your best or second best right now? Goofy.
I thought I did. Maybe it was on a different thread.
A real quick summary:
1. Yearly improvements are incremental. And I feel the player who ha the best potential for growth is the QB (any QB). The QB needs to know where everybody is more so than any other player on every given play. The more reps he gets with it, the less he has to think, and the quicker he can make plays. Plays which he can’t make in year 1 because he has to think a little more become possible in year 2 since he does not need to think as long.
True other players have the same improvement, but the QB is the keystone to it all.
2. I don’t think knowing the playbook makes a difference in catching a football. Drops are all on the WR. Not the experience in a system.
3. You get a little better idea of where to sit in a zone, or when to make the cut with experience, but it isn’t that big a deal. You need to get open using your own skills. Coaches can design plays to take advantage of your strengths and hide your weaknesses (that is their job #1) but they can’t get the player open or catch it. That is all on them.
4. Non-QB’s can come into a system and do well. If not, then there are a lot of teams spending a lot of money on players who won’t be very good this FA, right? JM getting $6 million. If VJax isn’t making plays in his new town, do you think the fans and owners and GM are going to be ok with the excuse being “he needs more experience in the system?” I don’t.
5. You don’t see elite or good QB’s enter FA do you? Wonder why? Because the QB knows that his success is heavily based on the system he has on that team and the players who are on that team which make him that good. Last year, the best CB in the NFL (people thought of all time) entered FA. In his prime and all. You see Wallace can be picked up this year,and VJax. All players who are good at their position but yet the team didn’t keep them. You don’t see the same thing with QB’s. I conclude that the QB’s success is thus more dependent on knowing the system than any other position, and that good players given good opportunities will turn in good performances relatively quickly.
“Last year, the best CB in the NFL (people thought of all time) entered FA. In his prime and all.”
And he didn’t do really well.
I bet that CB does better this year because its the second year in the system. Unless they change DC.
What are we paying him next year? VJ money? Or half that?
He is making lots of money because of the rookie scale back then.
If we cut Crabs what do you think he would get on the market?
One more thing. Some people learn systems quicker than others.
BS, I mean BS,
Why the hell is Alex Smith a free agent this year. What is stopping a team from calling his agent and offering Smith a 5 year $60 million deal? I will tell you what is stopping him, Alex Smith.
My real question to anyone is, what is Smith really worth right now in free agency? What would you, as a GM that needed a QB, agree to pay Alex Smith as your quarterback? Would you even be interested?
You just explained your own argument as to why Smith has no offers from anyone else in the NFL. He is simply not a very good QB. That is why he has made it through 3 days of free agency.
@waterman
Yes. You are right. NA played poorly. Largely because he should not have gone there.
The Raiders are exclusively man-man. Philly employed zones. Remember how I said the coaches need to put players in the best position possible to succeed? Well, the coaches stank at doing that. And NA really didn’t do his homework on the teams defensive philosophy.
Quite frankly they need to change their DC to better fit NA’s skills. He may not be a good zone player CB. Just like Joe Montana on a team who wants to throw the ball 50 yards down-field all day long would have stank. Asking a player to do something different from what made them good carries that risk. That is why a smart FA looks at the system to see if it fits them. But you have to be good at something first before you can determine what system is good for you.
I don’t think MC is. He isn’t fast. He does not have a burst out of a cut or at the LOS. He drops a ton of easy catches. He does not find a way to get separation. He is not strong enough to throw defenders off of him (like Boldin in Baltimore). I don’t see those as being system things. I see those as being his limitations.
To be a good WCO WR, you need to have good hands, take a pass and get YAC. MC rarely gets separation so even if AS throws him the ball, and he manages to catch it, he is often tackled right there. So, YAC from MC is a rarity. JR got a ton of his yards from YAC (and subsequently so did JM and SY). And if the offense calls for lots of short passes, it takes a lot more plays to get down field and consequently there are more things that can go wrong than right. If the offense calls for deep passes, the WR needs to have speed to get downfield quickly before the rush gets to the QB. MC does not have speed.
And, I know about the MC contract and why it is what it is. I also know that MC is not remotely worth what we are paying him. Both can be true. And one can really suck.
@waterman
I would cut Crabs and try to get Wallace. Use the extra $1 million saved this year, and the extra $6 million from next year to help pay for his second year. That savings would pay for about half of his salary in 2013.
I also think a rookie WR can put up the numbers and have the impact MC can do, and we can pay him a lot less money. Not all players take a long time to learn a system. A bunch of WR’s this last season are young guys (less than 3 years in a system) and some were rookies with no NFL experience at all (which I think is more important for non-QB’s than years in a system are).
@23J
Go to hell. Stay there. You will like the company.
I agree with a lot you said but I still think crabs will do better in his second year of the WCO. We haven’t had any luck at picking WR in the draft in a long, long time but Crabs was the first rounder. Thinking we will draft someone who puts up 1000 yards? He is the best we have. When we have someone better, no when we have two better WR then get rid of him.
Smith is worth 3 year 30M with 15M guaranteed
But the contract is going to say 4y 44m
BS, Don’t read my posts. You promised! Please BS, dont read my posts!!!! BS357tehcksbs. Don’t read my posts!
@waterman
If MC is on the team, I hope I am wrong. If MC proves to be what you said, I will be very happy because this team will win the Super Bowl.
I don’t remotely care about how many yards he puts up. If he gets open to convert 3rd downs and gets into the endzone, those are impact plays. I need to see him make those.
Meant to post here:
Waterman, you are reading my mind. My gut tells me it will be 4 years but not sure the dollars. I’m sure the 9ers will cover themselves with a guarantee and base where they have an out after a couple of years – just good business sense.
23J
When you see the train coming, just bet that it will swerve first and stand your ground.
DS
You sound SO full of yourself. Is it possible you can write with just a smidge less pomposity? If you sounded less sure of yourself, it would be so much easier to give you a break for your loony tune viewpoints…
(see, no name-calling, nothing inappropriate; see if you can reply in kind… ;) thx)
@pork
I said there would be times I would disagree with you. You said “I’m good”.
Then at the first opportunity to show that you won’t get into stupid childish name calling, you did so.
Here is a little life lesson I like to live by:
“Fool me once, shame on you. Fool me twice, shame on me.”
I am not being fooled again pork. You clearly can’t handle anybody disagreeing with you, least of all me.
Grant….. I mean seriously, do u ever look at some of these posts and go, who the hell is ( initials here)? Lol. And u know the niners better than us all. its ur job. Hmmmm
I do it makes me think. If I don’t know who their talking about then I don’t need to know.
I’m from a different generation. I grew up speaking text. I’m bilingual.
It helps to have a teenager to deceifer some of the code.
Or FBook customer support…naw! lol
Gotta use the context.
Here’s a quiz for you Steel. The questions get progressively harder:
1. PW
2.JH
3.KW
4.CF
5.AS
See what I did on that last one.
For anyone interested in football and not name calling, Eddie Royal just sign with the Chargers.
Guess Its already been noted sorry guys.
Hof.. I understand. If i remember correctly, you started this all. I applaud you because its ur thing. But i still dont know who u guys r talking bout sometimes.
It betr thn Ghetto txt. Yada da mean?
Steel, I sometimes use the first initial and part of the last name (4 letters) maybe that would help??!
@steel
Often times you need to read the whole post/sentence. Then you figure it out.
AS is a decent QB
AS is a beast of a pass rusher
AS is a decent OL
See. You need to read the whole thing. Not just focus on the initials.
Grant. Lol. Man im from the 80′s Im not crossing over. Im un bilangual
Sean good one… I have a preteen, maybe she can help me out when i get on this blog. lol
Steele, my daughter is 15 so any texting code I have questions about I can fire at her. My son is 4 and he takes care of i pod related queries, so I’m pretty covered.
Day dreaming is fun during FA and all, but were still 10 times better than these teams picking up 2 or 3 guys shelling out a fortune. This year will be hard fought, and we will see exactly what our beloved Niners are made of.
Thanks for the “Who’s got it better than us?” moment. Appreciated.
Yep were going to be playing the big boys this year. Lets draft smartly.
Lol. Naw i dont even have a facebook account. Think im the last guy on eart without it. hmm
Nope makes two of us, and ok with that.
I’d be a third who is not on there either.
Facebook=Overrated.
Agreed. If you only knew what they can do with any and all data that is posted. I can’t tell you why I know…lol
Besides use it to sell people as a commodity.
I ask this question to all the present generation, why do you have to have sooooooo many pictures in every part of your life. I guess PeeWee Herman’s phrase, “Take a picture it lasts longer” applies. From my philosophical viewpoint it’s constantly looking in the rear view mirror.
People have been fascinated with pictures since cave paintings. The only thing that’s different now is technology gives us the ability to take more pics with less hassle.
The Chargers are giving Royal $13.5 million over three years, $6 million guaranteed.
These teams went into a lockout last year because of revenues now they are acting like they are *ALL* DSnyders.
Of course with the exception of our beloved 9ers. lol
That doesn’t sound unreasonable. perhaps the market is coming down. Too bad there’s not much left.
Erler just tweeted a list of remaining FA WRs and I nearly wept.
MSC, exactly but hey who can argue with the *PLAN* until we see the end result (just remembering last year)?!!
That’s doable.
Was that what you were thinking he would get Grant?
Hof. im down. dont get me wrong i know my team but man these initiAls stomp me sometimes. Thanks for the handicap though.
Grime…See i know who those guys are but dont understand what u meant by the numbber 5 guy. unless you were saving the best ( alex smith) for last
Multiple answers there. Alex & Aldon.
Ds. thanks. guess i be in a hurry alot
Hey GC, do you (or LC) like Sauv Blanc? Just had Villa Maria with my Salmon. I favor Napa Cabs but for whites I’ve moved from Napa chards to NZeal SBlancs. Now back to football…
My dad’s on a diet so we’re drinking less wine recently, which is sad. I’ll write that one down for a special occasion.
Diet? He looks like he is in pretty good shape on Chron live! No gut.
He wants to get down to 165. We’re getting a gym membership this week.
Who here thinks AS is waiting for all the free agents to sign and structure his contract to help the niners? I keep seeing bloggers saying that.
I think it’s more likely that his agent is instructing him to sit tight until Manning signs.
He is the logjam of the FA. I wish he would hurry up.
Grant, AS isn’t an idiot. Why mess with the 9ers FO? I’m telling you once all of the maneuvering is done, AS will sign a contract that has helped the FO sign the FAs needed to help the team.
Because it’s a business, the 49ers seem to be offering him a modest deal and he’s following his agent’s advice?
i kind of agree with that just so the agent can see what the next tier of QBs get….but also subscribe to the helping the team cap structure in a naive sort of way just because i want to…
The 49ers are low balling Smith just like everyone else. They have a price they will pay take it or leave it. MHO
I hope he leaves it. Please another team , take him off our shoulder”s.
I do waterman.
I think AS is trying to help the Niners get better players/keep the team together knowing that they are a Super Bowl team if he does.
He can win a Super Bowl, and get rewarded handsomely for doing so later on anyway. If he signed for PM like money, the Niners would not be as good as they were last year, and he won’t win the Super Bowl.
If he is doing it like how I think, he can get both. The Super Bowl first, followed by the money afterwards.
@DS
I do waterman.
We don’t care who you do. Just keep that to yourself :)
I’d like too Nick.
But Pork has other ideas. Very gross ones.
Waterman, I just addresses that above. Look at the Jed York interview about Smith a few days ago. That will tell you that this Smith helping the Niners out in free agancy is abslutely not true. If it is true, York is being ungrateful for it.
The world’s smallest violin!!
Thank you everyone for the good football talk. Its been a nice change. We can even talk Smith without it getting to crazy. Just FYI I have been reading this blog for a few years and im a older niner fan. I enjoy reading what you guys have to say about football. Who remembers JM last game with the niners? Without goggling it who did they play? Where were you at that time? Did they win?
Its Joe not josh. lol FYI
Wasn’t it Detroit? I was watching the game on TV!!
I was thinking it was the rams but i dont know. I was at my best friends house who is no longer with us and I was so happy Joe won and looked good.
I hope we can actually talk about football or even Smith without resorting to any namecalling or pot shots. Seems like some of the extreme people with viewpoints about Smith can’t though.
Detroit at home.. last touchdown was to Brent Jones … probably Y Stick, about 8 yards. I can remember it like it was yesterday. He was something like 16-26 for 126 yards in the rain. I think he threw 2 tds but the one to Jones was exciting ’cause he had just led them on a classic Montana drive. It may have even been a 4th quarter comeback victory, but I could be wrong.
Great prompt, water!
Niners have a 3 year $7 million deal on the table , take it or leave it for Ted Ginn. I like the way we negotiate. Just Business.
That was reported by Adam Shefter.
Do you think that’s fair?
More than fair for an ST player with inconsistent WR skills.
yup.
Seems a bit high. $2+ million per year for a guy who can’t catch?
Although… a guy who had 4 good games in a 5 year career just got $6 million per year, so who knows?
Ehh, I’d prefer they not sign Ginn. I think we can get solid ST KR and PRs from other players like Cox, Hunter, and even Kyle Williams (KR only though, no PR at all). Ginn is very good, but he said he wants some playing at WR and I just don’t see him being any good as a top 3 WR on this team. I’d even consider playing Manningham around ~$5-6 mil per if the FO believes he is a #2 receiver.
5-6M is what we are paying crabs. Do you think he is better or the same as crabs? From what i read he don’t run good routs. Does he block really good?
Look, Ginn secures the ball which keeps me from getting nervous plus he is very dangerous and aquired great field position for the offense. I hope he comes back to where he once belonged.
I think the offer is fair. Clearly, Finn wants to be used as a receiver more instead of a special teams player. That is why he is still looking around. He said that Detroit views as a 4th receiver. That’s why he didn’t sign. He’s a 3 with what the Niners have now but he’ll end up being a 4 with us too. I like Ted. I hope he changes his mind.
Whose Finn?
Agree I want Ginn. I remember Battle and all the crappy returners we had had before Ginn. Not a good receiver, great returner. With a good STC remember. Is it the system? KW looked good before he freaked out.
Actually, no I don’t think he is as valuable as even Crabtree. However, with the going rate on WRs right now and having to overpay Ginn on the team, I think I would rather overpay a little to get Manningham to fill a receiver spot.
Ginn cant catch and runs bad routes. 2 year 3 million, what did he make last year 1 million?
I dont like Mannigham because he will be unmotivated. He’s a lazy receiver to begin with and holmes after winning the superbowl he just wants to cash it in!
I think Manningham wants at lest $6 million as well as everyone else. I say we sign Ginn if he wants the deal. If not, draft us a couple of rookie WR and go to work. Let them learn from Moss. He is vocal in the locker room and he is going to show up big time for those who dont belive in him. He didn’t sign that bonehead contract because he knew he wouldn’t ball. Remkember, you heard it here first.
@Jordan But if you realize that he should be the 4th WR on this team, why would you offer your 4th receiver over 2mil per? Even if he is your main ST KR/PR? I think they can fill the ST holes currently with the players on the rosters and through the draft. I think Ginn’s role can be replaced by Cox for PR and Hunter/Williams/Cox/Draft pick for KR roles.
Michael,
Ted Ginn won the
1st game of the season for us. We had lost all momentum on offense and Seattle was Goung to beat us. That could’ve killed our whole season. Instead it lit a fire underneath the whole team. Ginn didn’t fumble 1 time all year and gave us great field position and that fly sweep is hot. He is a burner and TB and JH know what he is worth. He’s a special team demon. We would’ve at least been in the duper bowl if he had not gotten hurt.
What I love most about him is he knows his job and genus good at it. He said himself, we win that game if he plays. Said that today.
Ginn is a good returner. He wants to be a receiver.
My sentiments exactly Mr. Jordan.
Jordo, straight line speed is great but a KR that is quick in a small space and can change directly quickly is a better option. TG takes a while to get to sixth gear.
@jordan Hmm, but I’m not sure if I’m willing to pay him to be our 4th WR just to be our KR/PR. If he could actually be our 3rd, I would pay him that price. Unfortunately, he hasn’t be able to handle the 3rd WR role. That is why I am hesitant to spend money just for his ST skills. Also, we couldn’t give him more 4th or even 5th WR spot anyway. We will definitely draft WR(s) and maybe a FA too. I just don’t see the cost working for the 49ers.
No one caught my blocking comments. What kind of team looks at blocking as a must for WR. Does Manningham block very good? Does anyone know?
sorry for the typos. it was going/ super bowl.
JH has a staff of teaching coaches. MM would learn to block fairly quickly.
Hofer,
I like ball security. We might have had a 6th trophy if Ginn had been healthy.Everytime the ball is punted to us, I always say, “Catch the ball and don’t fumble!” Kyle wasn’t listening to me! I know it takes him a while to get going, but he is fast though. ASlso, he is a great locker room guy, an experienced guy. I still have hopes for his receiving game. Especially since he wants the ball.
Micheal,
You forgot what I said in the beginning. The Niners offered Ginn the deal. He has not accepted it yet. It is on the Table much like Alex Smiths deal is on the table. The Niners have already made the offer.
Hmm, well, at least that means our ST will be nearly intact for a bit. Still think when we got Cox, we had a nice PR person who could possibly replace Ginn, but if the 49ers want to offer him that for being 4th WR imo, then I guess thats ok.
Jordan, I agree with you that Ginn is very good with returning and the fly sweep stuff. I would like to see him back too, but only as the 4th or 5th receiver. He seems to what better than that though.
We don’t know how the contract the 49ers offered Ginn is structured. They may have included bonuses based on receiption goals he’s not likely to achieve, and if he does, they won’t mind paying him the whole contract. If he ends up being mostly a return man, maybe the total goes down
No he didn’t Jordo. That is just patently false. Those points were unnecessary in a 16 point win. If you’re going to hold people to account (no BS allowed), then don’t crap your own pants! Don’t be a stinker!
Pork,
The 1st punt return put the team ahead 9 points. The Seahawks had all the momentum in that game. They came back and IMO, would’ve won that game if it had not been for the punt return. The offense had no been moving the football in the 2nd half. Apparently, you didn’t see the game. The last 14 points were scored in the last 5 minutes of the game. So I guess you are the one crapping your pants. The game was much closer than the score. You missed a good one.
J
Ginn gave us 14 pts all season. Hardly worth a $mill. Those 14 points don’t add up to 16. 14<16. We all saw the game. Speaking in what ifs doesnt make sense. Niners #1 D didn't allow any more points. Your opinion is speculation. Ginn is a total loss. Completely worthless. Can't spout off about what would have happened in the NFCC game, dude, you're Glass Ginn! Broke Ass Glass Ginn!
Pork,
Jordan’s right on this one. And Ginn’s value wasn’t just in scoring. How many times did he break a big one and instantly put us in scoring range? Did you pay attention to our average starting point after a special team return last year?
I was at the Arizona game in Phoenix last year. Ginn brought a big return and got tackled at the 3 yard line. ( And #11 still couldn’t punch it in ).
And if for anything else, experience and sure hands. As bad as #11 Alex Skip Smith was in the 4th quarter against the Giants, if Ginn is in that game we all know we are in the superbowl.
>>And #11 still couldn’t punch it in
Nor could #21.
Are you sure you were at that game?
@ribico
Well then. Why don’t we just dump every player who could not get it in on that drive.
Start all over. That seems like a smart move considering how close we were to the Super Bowl.
Pork,
I trust the Niners judgement on Ginn. I trust Ginn as well. He had a very good season on special teams..I hope he signs. If he does not, we’ll have to use someone else, and hopefully not Williams.
<<<RIB, IF YOU ARE GOING TO DIALOGUE WITH ME, THEN ADD SOMETHING<<<<
Yes I was at the game. Alex was terrible that game. Defense was good but not great. Special teams was money. 175 yards passing, not good. 3-17 3rd down conversions not good. And yes when Ginn returned that big punt return, Alex choked from the 4 yard line. Happened right in front of me. 2 out of the 3 plays were passes.
If you really want proof, I texted Grant that I was sitting next to Joe Fonzi and they exchanged hello's through me.
The thing that I am adding is you fail to mention that Gore last a yard down there on that drive. But that was all Smith’s fault too, right?
I hope no one bids higher.
If NO ONE was returning punts, we win that game and would have been in the SB.
You are going to far with that one Bray.
If nobody is returning punts, and the Giants get a lucky roll, the Niners may be pinned back at their own goal all day long.
The football can go in 4 directions when it hits the ground, only 1 direction ‘hurts’ the offense, slightly higher than a 25% chance maybe.
But DS, if you go that far and ‘we’ don’t turn it over twice on PR, the Giants score 10 points less.
It’s the thing to do late in the 4Q when you have a lead of 7 points or more. A few yards at that point mean absolutely nothing, taking time off the clock was job #1, especially when we have the best punter and coverage in the game… Oh yeah and the toughest D to make long drives against too.
@Bray
No denying the 10 points thing.
But the chances of the ball bouncing in that one direction (I think a lot higher than 25%) results in catastrophic damage. If the ball bounces back up-field, the punt team will down it quickly, so you don’t gain much field position. If the ball bounces back, the return team won’t be able to stop it, and the punting team will just let it roll till it stops. Could easily be 8 yards. If the punter kicks it far (and the Giants punter was) he was kicking it nearly 50 yards + 8 on the roll that is a big change in field position. If the ball bounces right or left, it is still a net of 50 yards field position, which is still a big difference. Especially considering the weather conditions and the overall defensive direction of that game.
The only way your philosophy may work is if the punter sucks. and he only kicks it 30 yards. But the Giants punter was like top 5 (maybe #2 in NFC behind Andy Lee), so he was not going to stink it up.
8 yards, even 15 wouldn’t have made a difference. At that point time was was HUGE, yards didn’t matter. I’m not saying do it the whole game, just under 4 min left or so with a lead.
We only had to kill 45 seconds or so, and tha Giants would have never had enough time to tie the game.
So me and Hof agree AS has a 4 year 44M contract on the table and he is not signing it. Like how I did that Hofer? No a 3 year 30m 15g contract sitting there and fitz got how much? lol I love the niners.
Lets start a pool, I say 4 year 24 million is on the table, the Smith camps says 20 guaranteed, 49 ers say 15 guaranteed, there haggling over 5 million.
It then becomes a debate on years, 3 or 5 then, this might not get done, its been a week?
I all ready put up or shut up. 3 years 30m with 15g. The press will report 4 year 44m.
Or he will sign with the Browns for 5 year 50M with 18g
I’d say 4 year $40M but he has to last 4 years to receive all of the dollars. Guarantee is $15M and an additional $10M in incentives.
Latino,
We may never know what the deal was if he doesn’t accept it and goes to another team. It’s going to be 3 years no matter what. I’ll say 3 years for $ 25 million. Guarantee $10 mil. Option after each year.
I wouldn’t offer that much but the Niners might.
I would agree also, I would offer around 24-30 mil for 3 years, 12-13 in guaranteed.
Eric Davis made a good comment about Ted Ginn, he is a great return guy and not a elite receiver or even a good one. He would still take a receiver spot, and the Niners would be better served having a DB taking that spot instead of wasting it on Ginn.
Yup I’d go 3 years 21 million, 15 guaranteed, take it or leave it. But by not signing him they may screw themselves because its not a very good free agent QB class.
If Manning and Smith are not signed by the weekend, we could be looking at some whooooooo doggy!!!!!!!!!!
If the Titans aquire Manning and Alex signs with Cleveland we could hire Mr. Hasslebeck.
Razor, if we are going to hire a 35+ QB might as well go with PM. Or better yet, austerity program friendly, just play CK.
Razor, I would want CK to start.
I’m not sure “austerity program” is fair Hofer.
The 49ers are already near this year’s cap and are projected to spend $12 million above the cap once Smith and the draft picks sign.
The 49ers won’t get a $12 million bonus to the cap next year so Baalke has to plan carefully.
MSC, just using that tag line compare to some of the other teams spending ridiculous sums of money unless you are on the receiving end. Like they say, the amount is never too high if they are willing to pay it.
Razor, I said that earlier in this blog. Watch out for Hasselback if Smith doesnt fall in line. There is no question to me that Hasselback is better, and not to mention that the Niners tried to sign him last year. He was having a great year until Kenny britt got hurt. Still had decent numbers anyway. We just need 2 years max from a starter other than Alex, like Manning or Hasselback. I want you all to see Josh Johnson in this offense. May not happen but we will see.
I’ve never been a fan of MH. Why not start CK? AS started day one and CK could be ready. But we jump the gun…AS WILL be back!
I wouldn’t mind Hasselback for 1-2 years. I really think Kaep needs another year before he is ready. I don’t have anything to say he needs more time or is ready, just my gut that I think he is still raw and needs another year of work before he is ready.
Only one problem with that idea, Razor; Hasselbeck is done. His play deteriorated last year, to the point where he’s just a good backup, and nothing more.
MH=Brittle
Hoferfan 67, its not for sure the 49 ers sign Alex Smith or that he won’t sign with another team. Both those things could happen the longer this goes.
LHeat, true there are no absolutes and anything can happen. But MM stated again tonight that both sides see a deal happening at some point.
Here’s an interesting take on the hype machine that is the NFL off season and how the media pushes certain players to the forefront through the reliance of group think at the expense of actual evaluation, with Vontaz Burfict as an example:
http://brophyfootball.blogspot.com/2012/03/dusting-off-cobwebs-of-this-thing.html?utm_source=feedburner&utm_medium=feed&utm_campaign=Feed%3A+blogspot%2Fbrophy+%28Cripes!+Get+back+to+fundamentals…%29
Bottom line, the football people (ie Baalke and Harbaugh) are getting the evaluations done and they know who will fit and who can walk. The rest is just “flash” being shoved our way, creating endless speculation and increased focus and exposure, padding the mother ship’s (NFL) bottom line.
It’s only March and I want to see some football!
They certainly have done their job in creating the year round demand for the game and we have bought in, hook, line and sinker!
Will CK be Cam with less int and Better D? Lets all hope because we don’t have a starting QB.
Waterman, your prayers will be answered and AS will have a superb year. Stay tuned.
Hofer,
My man. I appreciate the banter Hofer. Theres no me without you. Haha!
Jordo, there is no you in awesome, but there is me.
Jack,
Took the words right out of my mouth. I didn’t see your prdiction up ABOVE.
prediction, i meant.
You are correct waterman.
As of right now we don’t. We have two 2nd year players who may be good, or may really suck. Our starter is not signed.
Seahawks are talkin to Matt Flynn, maybe we should get in the mix. Flynnsanity?
Oh you had to go there didn’t you? The Lin jokes had finally stopped and drop this on us?!?
:-)
Flynn is likely to get franchise money from one of the teams that misses out in the Manning race. He might be better than Kolb – last years’ one hit wonder – but I can’t see Baalke diving into that.
I hope they do msc.
Then we can kick Flynn’s tail just like we kicked Kolb’s tail. For all but 3 plays we played him (Kolb) until he got injured.
I would love it. Flynn and Kolb. Two guys who people got excited about for no reason at all. And we can make their life miserable.
Msclemons – I owed you one for dissing Crabtree so much. :-)
BTW, I’m still enjoying the Lagunitas brews you told me about. Gained about 10 freaking lbs thanks to you pal!
Make a file and put Kolb, Johnny Castle, A. J. Feeley, Scott Mitchell, and others along with Matt Flynn and name it Over Rated Backups.
@Andrew
Check out the Detroit defense Flynn played against. That same team took that defense on the road the next week into NO, and could not get pressure on DB for 7-10 seconds. Could not follow their assignments letting a few of those TD passes come off of broken plays.
Wait till Flynn plays us (or anybody in our division for that matter). Then he will find out what a defense is.
The numbers on Rogers are finally in – $5.5 million cap hit in 2012. Not too bad. According to Maiocco that leaves the 49ers with $18 million in cap space which is a bit more than cap hell is reporting.
Figure $12 million for Smith and the draft picks which leaves $6 million for FA and an emergency fund.
Unless Baalke pulls an upset surprise (always possible) the 49ers are probably done for now in free agency. Of course, trying to predict what Baalke will do is a fool’s errand.
Love it when people tell me I’m wrong on the cap. JsWindsor you seeing this?
Yea im sure you are right and Maiocco is wrong. HAHAHa
If you are going to go and insult somebody pork, you might want to try and get their name right. It is jg not js.
And this from somebody who freaks out about the slightest misspelled word.
DSL
FuQ off. You have too much pork in your mouth.
yep i saw it…and tipped my hat…my rain hat and now the front of me is all wet
of course the gist of what i was muddling around yesterday doing was trying to get a handle on what the definitive cap space was for the real point of the conversation of what actions the niners could take going forward…..one thing became clear to me going forward is that crabtree does not need to be traded to make things fit and haralson doesn’t need to be cut as well, both positives in my view……
also did the matt number include the extra 1.6 mill washington and dallas gave everybody…..
@pork
Again. With the childish stupid insults.
And, again, you can’t even spell the word correctly. If you are going to be a jerk, go all the way and at least stand up and do it properly.
And, sorry. I don’t roll that way with “pork in my mouth”. You are disgusting.
@jg
From Matt’s blog if you didn’t get a chance to read it:
“There is no indication whether the 49ers will pursue restricted free agent Mike Wallace, but the organization has the cap space to easily fit an offer sheet for the Pittsburgh receiver.”
I didn’t see anything about the extra money due to the penalties given to Dallas and Washington as being a part of the $18 million.
2012 Cap Space with Top 51 Rule $18,751,104
lets get creartive. c kap goes to wr. picture kap 6’6 an runs like the wind. Get coupe of les welcher or victor Cruze types. Then hopefulluy Tolzein or Kellen Moore can make those passes. Two super accurate throwers working our wideouts. It could happen.
then we woud need a couple of real good o-line guys to pass protect.
that woud make our 49ers like the 1980s and 1990 teams, too many weapons. Beautiful.
then we woud
wake up?
…its obvious Alex has the upper hand in the situation…..if the 49ers think they can do without him, they would have looked for a QB in FA……..even if CK is their choice going forward they would still look for a vet QB in FA……
…bottomline is 49ers know they are not making the playoffs with a new starting QB…..its just common sense……
@oneniner
No way does JH have AS go and pick up his NFL HC of the year award with the idea (at all) of getting rid of him.
And likewise, no way does AS have any thoughts about leaving the Niners. This will be his 4th contract signing with the team, and the first one where he will be going onto a winning team which he was a major part of their success. Why would he leave the team once they started winning when he didn’t leave the other 2 times he resigned when they were losing?
The best answer to this (will AS want to leave back and do the Niners want to get rid of him) is the Vince McMahon theme music quote:
“No Chance. No chance in hell.”
….remember his family advised him to leave before last season…….it was JH that convinced him to stay……..
…..i know it seems Alex won’t wanna leave now that we are winning but I am really not confidence in that thinking………if he leaves that means he got a nice contract from another team and its means the 49ers are not making the playoffs next yr…….if he stays he gets his contract and the 49ers return to the playoffs…..
….so bottomline he gets a contract (whether with us or not)……and there is a high chance the 49ers don’t make the playoffs with a new QB…..
so who really has the upper hand?
@oneniner
If he leaves, he is likely going to a team that is losing. As is any other FA QB, including PM.
Teams don’t pay a lot for FA QB’s if they are in fine shape. They also don’t look to find another QB. They all know how hard it is to get a QB and to stick with what they have if the guy won you 10+ games. I mean the Jets paid Mark Sanchez way too much money.
…….”If he leaves, he is likely going to a team that is losing”……
bet CK thought he was coming to a losing team when he was drafted………
…as the last season has shown us, you really can’t predict a losing team…..easier to predict a playoff team based on the division…..
@one
How many of the playoff teams had a FA QB at the helm?
Every team that went that direction really stank. The Bengals went to the playoffs with a rookie QB. Lesson from the story: If you want to get into the playoffs, don’t go hunting in FA for that QB. Develop that guy yourself.
I am sure AS could go to AZ and just kick butt having LF as a real WR for the first time in his life. But, he would be competing against the Niners who may still be a challenge even with CK at QB next year (if that all happened).
And CK shouldn’t care at all what team he is going to. He should (and I am sure was) thrilled just being drafted and getting an opportunity few people ever get.
…that is my point…..Alex number 1 priority right now is to get financial stability for his family….while the niners priority is to get back to the playoffs…..
Alex can get financial stability from other teams……while its not likely the niners get to the playoffs with a FA QB or a 2nd yr QB with limited experience……
You and common sense go together like hot grease and water.
Yeah alex smith can make or break this team. Ha ha haaaa. Newsflash genius.. David akers is more important to this team. He was our offensive MVP. If harbaugh can turn one of the biggest busts into a mediocre qb in one season, just imagine what he will do with ck. i lnow its killing you, but your dreamboat’ time is running out. To the term of 3 years. Oh and way to back up your team. Fn hater! Pathetic!
…why are you so angry, poor little Nimrod……..
…lol….you are so dumb u thought a quarterback was a refund.
……ninermd is so dumb he went to the SUPER BOWL with a spoon
…..sad you can’t even convince yourself Alex will be gone…..you are now satisfied with 3 more years…….
…ninermd is so dumb he looked at an orange juice box for 2 hrs. just because it said CONCENTRATE…….
Ted Ginn told the Detroit Free Press the 49ers would’ve been in the Super Bowl had he played in NFC Championship game. He left Detroit without signing a contract and stated he would take his time in finding a team.
From MM – Here’s a status report on some of the top free-agent receivers (2011 catches, yards, touchdowns in parenthesis):
Unrestricted
Marques Colston, NO (80-1143-8) Re-signed with Saints
Reggie Wayne, Ind (75-960-4) Re-signed with Colts
Brandon Lloyd, StL (70-966-5) 49ers are his only reported visit
Pierre Garcon, Ind (70-947-6) Signed with Redskins
Vincent Jackson, SD (60-1106-9) Signed with Buccaneers
Laurent Robinson, Dall (54-858-11) Signed with Jaguars
Early Doucet, Ariz (54-689-5) No known visits
Robert Meachem, NO (40-620-6) Signed with Chargers
Mario Manningham, NYG (39-523-4) Visited 49ers, and is scheduled to visit the Rams on Thursday night, Yahoo! Sports reported. He is also drawing reported interest from Bills, Dolphins.
Harry Douglas, Atl (39-498-1) Re-signed with Falcons
Eddie Royal, Den (19-155-1) Signed with Chargers
Ted Ginn, 49ers (19-220-0) Visited Lions
Joshua Morgan, 49ers (15-220-1) Signed with Redskins
Restricted
Mike Wallace, Pitt (72-1193-8) No hurry, has until April 20 to sign offer sheet with first-round pick as compensation.
TREAM is another term for field goals. Grant will kick 3000 treams this season. who are you people?
Spencer is a classy guy and will be missed. This interview provides interesting insight into his character:
http://www.csnbayarea.com/blog/niners-talk/post/Shawntae-Spencer-This-is-a-classy-city?blockID=670392&feedID=5936
……..to the real fans we knew that already…..if you had paid more attention to the other players instead of spending your time hating on Alex you would have seen that…….oh well better late than never…
49ers are being very smart so far. Every position on a football team is important of course and lack of good enough receivers probably did prevent us from going to the SB last year. But if there’s any position that one can find good ones in lower rounds of the draft of free agency EVERY YEAR, it’s receiver. What SB team has EVER spent a lot of its money on wide receivers? Tampa paying over TEN million bucks a year for a receiver? We’ll see where TB and Jacksonville and some of these other teams end up. Have the Steelers and the Patriots ever over-spent on receivers? Or Green Bay or the NY Giants? A team needs to spend the bulk of its moolah on QB, pass rushers, off tackles, linebackers and CBs. Usually a team can pick up good enough WRs, RBs, guards and def tackles. I do think a “super” TE is a premium pick though. We got Moss, which is a good start. I think we’ll pick up at least another WR in free agency and then one in the top rounds of the draft, though I hope we get Fleener in the first round. A tall, athletic TE going out for a pass at the same time as Vernon, Moss and Crabs sounds like fun. We might still go after Wallace, but it would suprise me.
@Kezar
“What SB team has EVER spent a lot of its money on wide receivers?”
JR was highly paid.
The Rams I believe were paying Issac Bruce a nice amount of money.
I am sure there are a lot more.
Paying lots of money on WR’s is all fine and good. As long as the WR is worth it.
…i still can’t believe we got Randy Moss……..sweeeeet
We still need someone to throw him the ball. We need an upgrade at QB. Alex is a dime a dozen. There are 20 other QB’s that we can plug in and play instead of Smith. They will get us the same results if not better. Let’s turn the page on Smith. Time to move on. See yo Smith and Onecolt.
…lol….you yourself don’t even believe your own words……why should anyone?
@jordan:
Still whistling past the graveyard. You are way too obsessed with Alex Smith.
Claude,
The inventor of the cut and paste. No info from tge archives this morning?? So sad.
Jordo, Microsoft invented the cut and paste. Jealous ’cause your Commodore64 doesn’t have that feature?
Man… I hope that’s a good thing.
From PFT – Former Bucs backup QB Josh Johnson wants at least a shot at a starting gig. [Editor's note: May we interest you in the CFL?]
Onecolt,
He could get one here. We may need a new name for you. How about Onecolt or Onecard?
Don’t see Josh Johnson coming here, unless we got lucky and Mr. Smith goes to Washington.
Neal,
Smith is not going to Washington. They have RGIII. Alex better sign that deal soon. I hope he doesn’t. Get his azz out of here.
Pffft… please girlfriend. What are you doing insulting people? You shouldn’t even be here.
Jordan’s way worse than typical sports yokel crying for the backup to start. He wants *another teams* backup to start.
As opposed to our starter who should be a backup?
I’m sure if our HC thought advice like that from someone on the internet was worth taking he would have taken take it. Did you see him take it???
I heard that Alex Smith had Wheaties for breakfast today, he hopes one day he will be on the box, the breakfast of champions. I think he might need more then Wheaties to do that.
@Grant
Where do the Niners stand now in how much money they have left to spend relative to everybody else in the NFL?
And which teams have the same or more money than we do?
Very interesting interview with former Niner receiver John Taylor on Alex Smith and Signing Randy Moss.
JERMS: Randy Moss Signs with the Niners, your first initial thoughts?
JT: Wow, they better watch out……
JERMS: In What sense should they watch out?
JT: Look man, his attitude. It’s his attitude. Jim is a great coach but he needs to have Randy on a short leash. The locker room does not need a guy like that especially with those youngsters. Now Randy does not go over the middle, all he wants to do is go deep and maybe run a deep post. They do need at least 2 more receivers. Crabtree has not done much as a pro. Niners need to get another receiver via free agent and draft another one.
JERMS: That touches on my next question, if signed can Alex Smith get Randy Moss the Ball deep?
JT: Alex probably can……he should be able to. Jim has done a hell of a job with him. Wait, he has not signed yet?
JERMS: According to all the reports he has not.
JT: What did they offer him?
JERMS: I believe they offered him a 3 year contract and rumor is he wants a 5 year. Have not heard anything abou the numbers.
JT: Really? He is a fool if he does not sign whatever the 49ers have offered him. They could of let him go years ago. He needs to be happy and sign the contract. Colin is ready anyway. Let Alex walk.
JERMS: You think Kaepernick is ready?
JT: He is more than ready, he has been able to sit back and learn for a whole season. I remember watching him in college, he faced a lot of different looks. He is a hard guy to game plan for. Colin is smart, he can run, and has the arm to get Moss the ball easily. Jim will have him ready, believe it.
JERMS: You know I am still in pain with that playoff loss……
JT: Worst part is the returner knew he touched it and didn’t admit it, terrible. Its football, things happen. The Niners are good, Jim has them working really hard. They are going to make a run. That defense is great. You’ll see.
Wait. Was that cut and pasted????
Where’d you find that, Jordan?
Interesting take from JT. I like what he has to say about CK, sounds promising. And JT has seen a few good QB’s in his day :-)
J
Now we’re talking! Let those other bums crap their pants over this one, especially that bum dsl who slobs JTs nob day n night. Great find, Yordo!
this seems like a mock interview…..need link
…lol….you are so dumb u thought a quarterback was a refund.
……ninermd is so dumb he went to the SUPER BOWL with a spoon
…..sad you can’t even convince yourself Alex will be gone…..you are now satisfied with 3 more years…….
…ninermd is so dumb he looked at an orange juice box for 2 hrs. just because it said CONCENTRATE…….
Wow! Now I know your a white male and somewhere around 24. Those were funny 20 years ago. Try looking up new jokes for dummy’s. You definitely fit the name of onelame! I’d bet you looked these up and took 30 minutes to remember them had a big smile and a snicker hit the enter button gave yourself a pat on the back and thought this was funny. Wheeew! Pathetic onelame.
Hey, MD, what does being a white male have to do with anything?
White males are responsible for every horror imaginable, didn’t ya know? :P
…guess you didn’t know ninermd is a racist…..he actually confirmed it several times….
I agree with ex.
What does white have to do with anything? Why bother pointing out a color?
Nah, I don’t believe that. Besides there’s no such thing as racism in football. We’re all red and gold. ;)
The same as me being a puerto rican dummy…..But I guess you morons missed those comments by onelame right? Get the **ck outta here. Im also a quarter welch. So now what? Only a white kid would throw those old jokes out like the were new. And thats coming from a quarter Honky.
…obviously it was funny…cuz you responded……just like you said you are a clown by nature…….
Jason Cole guesses a team will have to pay $8 million a year for Matt Flynn.
Flynn just unfriended Kevin Kolb.
will the niners sign and trade AS for the #8…..i kind of liked that thread
Was wondering if anyone else saw Jordan on KRON last night. Check this out. He is a star!
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eSOSJ68xOBA – Cached
You think he’s put that thing on mom’s station wagon?
Adam,
You mean Jordan is a TV reporter? That’s a little hard to believe. And I don’t know if I’d use the term “Star”.
Oh I thought he invented the whistling noise coming from the rear-end. That’s how I took it. :P
Figured maybe he’d finally figured out a way to monetize all his hot air coming out the backside.
@jack
Nahh.
At least the whistle muffler goes away eventually. 23J does not.
Plus, you can’t blame the muffler. But, you can blame 23J 100% for what he does.
At least the whistle muffler goes away eventually. 23J does not.
Are you saying jordan is like herpes?
@claude
No.
Herpes is a lot better. They actually have some treatments for that.
There is not treatment for 23J’s hateful posts. He does nothing but attack others (players/bloggers).
Herpes is a disease. It does not exist for the sole purpose of harming somebody. It exists to propagate itself. It is not knowingly or willingly harming somebody. No disease is.
But 23J does exist for the sole purpose of harming/attacking others. Don’t ever lower Herpes down to the level of 23J. That is disrespectful to an organism.
23J is much, much lower on the totem pole than any disease.
You know, you should not get offended by other people for making “childish insults” (like Pork) when you go off on someone comparing them to herpes.
Yet another example of extreme hypocricy.
And here is 49erGirl
Desperately seeking attention. She needs it. Even from those who don’t care for her at all.
Stan has a scoop!..KNBR has just been ripping Matt Cain ALL morning. MURPHY pecon-Raddy..unmerciless. Even personal calling him a phony pretentious guy with his HS education.
The last time KNBR did that to a player for a team they carry? Anthony Randolph,who went from Rileys great pick to a no talent malingerer…who was traded a few day laters after the KNBR ripping.
Matt Cain must be a soon to be ex Giant..
The Warriors weren’t making a championship run back when they had Randolph. The Giants absolutely need Cain this year for their World Series run. They’ll hold on to him this season for dear life, I’m sure.
But Randolph wasn’t asking for 20 mill a year and 130 mill total..in his last year.
Well,90-130 mill…another in the ballpark of Zito contract.
Attaboy Stan.
:/
KNBR ripping the Giants? I doubt it..
It only happens after 9am.
Nope-when Murphy and Pecon get on Cain as a phony..somethings up. And Cain huge salary demand and also wanting it doen by opening day? Sabean might be burning the cell phone batterys to get some slugger for a wealthy team to take Cain.
A trade before opening day is that feeling I get.
.
Hmmmm…They’d need a slugger AND a pitcher in return, though.
This teams built on pitching, they’re not going to trade him.
Freak,Bum,Vogel. ..add another decent starter via trade and a slugger 2nd baseman..all for 100 mill less then Cain.
And amid all the putdowns KNBR was emphasizing that contract negotiations(That Cain wanted done by opening day) had broken off..ADD IT UP PEOPLE!
Adam Schefter just called the Niners long-shots but the mystery finalist for Manning.
Harbaugh and Roman flew to Durham to watch Manning throw. Were very impressed. Sent doctors to give him a physical. Whoa.
LMAO! How could they? Just wait until Alex hears that Harbaugh may have eyes for someone else. He will be crushed.
now this is a story line….sure do like this staff and front office…..
i’ll mention it again….the biggest pick up last off season was JH and staff…..
Evan Silva just tweeted: “ESPN’s Adam Schefter reports #49ers have been in contact with Peyton Manning. Had him take a physical. Are “clearly 1 of the 3 finalists.”
i could get on this train….
so 18mill cap space…..wallace or peyton….
now that is holding your cards close to your vest
also a neat way to take away some garnish from the warriors…
i am down with this development
but it remains high risk
but if keeping CK it would be great to have a film room mentor like PM teaching him how to read defenses pre-snap and on snap…..
damn my sitting heart rate just went from 52 to 95
guess i am getting excited
only thing better is if they could have signed and traded AS to miami….or maybe that is why AS hasn’t signed because he has a heads up on the situation…
Bonus’s,
1. Improve at QB immediately.
2. Division rival doesn’t get him.
3. MOST IMPORTANT TO OWNERSHIP. SELLING PSL’S.
4. Number one seed to win superbowl… They would now be the team to beat.
Bye – bye alex Smith,
Looks like we now have the elephant in the room. Introducing the NEW starting QB for your San Francisco 49ers. Peyton, he’s too old, Manning!!!
Bwahahahahaga!!!
Jordan,
whatever happens, the Smithers are awfully quiet. You could hear a pin drop in this room…….
http://www.nfl.com/news/story/09000d5d827a5f69/article/peyton-manning-reportedly-works-out-for-niners-harbaugh
Manning worked out for Niners on Tuesday. What was Tuesday? Hmmm the deadline. Alex screwed himself by not signing deal that had been on the table for three months……
What say you to that Hof? Prime? DS? Midwest? Beuller? Beuller?
…..Peyton F. Manning at $12 – 18 million a year……this is getting interesting!!!!