This is the official live blog for free agency. Please leave all your free agency comments here. I’ll keep you updated on the day’s events and I’ll answer any questions you may have.
I’m blogging from the Cohn Zohn. I’m sitting at the dining room table with my dad eating cheese and salami and listening to the Beach Boys. “I Get Around” is playing right now, and it’s much different than the 2pac version. but I like it nonetheless.
We do not play the Beatles in the Cohn Zohn, unless my mom is around. She’s out right now, so we don’t have to hear no “Eight Days a Week,” or anything corny like that. The Rolling Stones are up next – Beggars Banquet.
BULLETIN: 2 pm Pacific Time. Adam Schefter reports that Joshua Morgan is on the verge of signing with the Washington Redskins. If this goes through, the Niners have essentially traded Moss for Morgan. How do you feel about that?
Moss theoretically is what the Niners didn’t have and needed – a deep threat/red zone target. But he’s old and he’s got a problem personality. Morgan is young and likable. He’s a good No. 2 receiver, a great blocker and a great teammate.
They swapped an every down player for a selective down player. Do they really expect Moss to start? Or do they have to find a replacement for Morgan at flanker?
5:02 According to Matt Barrows, former Oakland Raider Chaz Schilens is scheduled to work out for 49ers.
Schilens (6-4, 225) is big and fast – he ran a 4.38 at his Combine in 2008. But he’s only played a full 16-game season once, back in ’08, and he’s never caught more than 29 catches in a season.
I’ve watched him play many times for the Raiders and I’ve always felt he has bad hands and poor ball skills. He’s similar to Darrius Heyward Bey when he tries to catch a jump ball down field, meaning he doesn’t even come close.
If the Niners sign Schilens, he’ll be Moss insurance, nothing more. He will not be a starter or a replacement for Josh Morgan.
It’s looking more and more like the Niners plan on starting Moss, which would be a very risky move, or they plan on picking a starter – Joshua Morgan’s replacement – in the draft.
If they choose the draft route, Cal’s Marvin Jones would be a good pick – perhaps an eventual upgrade over Morgan. Jones is taller, quicker and faster than Morgan, plus he returns punts.
5:18 According to a league source, the Bills expect to sign Mario Williams AND Robert Meachem by tomorrow. That’s good and bad news for the Niners.
It’s good news because Mario Williams isn’t going to the Bears or the Seahawks or any NFC team, or any serious Super Bowl contender.
It’s also bad news because another wide receiver appears to be off the market. The Niners probably won’t be able to adequately replace Morgan in free agency, which puts a lot of pressure on their draft.
5:23 Now Vincent Jackson is off the market. He’s signing a five-year deal with the Buccaneers, according to Adam Schefter. No word yet on Mike Wallace.
5:59 Harry Douglas is re-signing with the Falcons, per his twitter. Another receiver off the market.
6:52 Reggie Wayne re-signs with the Colts on a three-year deal, according to Schefter.
9:19 The Bills may have expected to sign Robert Meachem earlier today, but they will do no such thing. The Chargers just announced they agreed to a four-year deal with Meachem.
BULLETIN: Brandon Lloyd will workout for the Niners Wednesday morning. He would be an upgrade at flanker over Joshua Morgan in 2012. He could also demand to be the Niners’ highest paid receiver. Lloyd (6-5, 192 lbs.) will be 31 next season. He caught 77 passes for a league-leaging 1,448 receiving yards and 11 TDs from Kyle Orton in 2010.
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The Beatles are more than the “corn”, guys. Helter Skelter, Revolution, Glass Onion, etc.
It’s too bad if the Niners lose Morgan but I’m hoping they take advantage of this free agency class to get a proven #1 receiver as we unfortunately already have a proven #2 receiver in Michael Crabtree. Let the Redskins over pay as they surely will for an unproven #2 coming off a knee surgery. Moss is proven, but also old so who know’s if he will even make the team? Has anyone heard any details about his contract and the amount of guaranteed salary? That’s the real issue here. If Moss is “on” and that’s the only way he’ll be on the field, then he will be way better then Morgan.
Receiver Order:
#1… (maybe Wallace, Jackson, ????)
#2 Michael Crabtree.
#3 Randy Moss.
Already looking a lot better the last year, right? Remember our receivers only had one catch in last years NFC Championship game :(
The Beatles, by far the best and most influential band of their time!
GC, to keep that theme of music, how about the Everly Brothers, “All I have to do is Dream”??!
Of course, I’m tying back into FA market musically. lol
The Cohn Zohn loves the Everly Brothers. I’m sitting here with my dad, he tells me Bill Walsh loved the Everly Brothers. Bill Walsh and he used to talk about the Everly Brothers when they weren’t talking about boxing.
GC, thanks for sharing that knowledge. They were before my time, but I’m into rock history and they top my list. Can’t be bad if liked by BW!
The Beatles studied the Everly Brothers harmony when they first stated out. Paid homage to them with “Cathy’s Clown”.
No “Help” by the Beatles?!
Not my cup of tea, but I’m not hating. The Beatles sound saccharin to me most of the time.
Guap, yes we all need “Help”! lol
No love for the Beatles! Har-rumph!
Run this by your dad, Grant – The early Beatles were essentially the Everly Brothers with Chet Atkins guitar riffs.
Rib, yes with a bit of Buddy Holly as well!
When I was a kid-near tyke,a local kids show played “Wake up little Suzy,wake up” every morning. I cant remember what show it was.
NO wait-maybe it wasnt just a local kids show..so long ago …It had a Cowboy type host.
And all that singing about lying to ma and pa sounded so naughty to little me going to first grade Catholic school!
The 9ers should adopt Stan Kenton’s How High The Moon before the games. All you youngsters missed some the worlds great music. Elington, Basie, Shorty Rogers and Stan Getz, and Spike Jones was entertaining also. There seems to be a generation gap here.
The Everly brothers joined the Marines and I remember seeing them on tv performing in uniform. They would get into fist fights backstage before concerts.
Not Chet Atkins, oh youthful one, Carl Perkins. George Harrison was a Carl Perkins FREAK! Why do you think they covered so many Carl Perkins tunes early on?
You children don’t know anything – about music OR football.
“Took some honey from a bee dressed it up an called it me” …did you see George on the Carl tribute before he died( with Clapton and Dave Edmunds -George combed his hair back… nice -God rest em’ both).Grant if you think the Beatles sound overly sweet -check out the Everly’s “Songs our Daddy Taught Us”open your heart to the Schmaltz son!
Round and round, round we go…
ANY NEWS ON ALEX SMITH YET?
He and Generalissimo Franco are still dead. No wait…
Another Zinger!!!!
He’s going to the AFL!!!
Stones > Beatles, 8 days a week.
Yeah gotta say Eleanor Rigby is one of the greatest tracks of all time. Gotta give The Kinks some airtime as well.
True, and Penny Lane, too.
Zombies, She’s not there.
Can I get GH best song……. Here comes the sun? It’s ugly out here.
Yeah but the 49ers approach in free agency seems to be more Helter Skelter.
Charles Manson’s favorite Beatles song!
Some of the best-produced music ever made (The Beatles, that is.) Not really a close second, although in recent times, Radiohead and Wilco come close. Kings of Leon and Auerbach/The Black Keys (on some of the recordings) are done very well also.
In the era of MP3 downloads and people listening to stuff on their cell phones with ear buds… I guess none of that really matters anymore. :(
Jeez, thanks for sharing.
The Rolling Stones are up next – Beggars Banquet.
Excellent choice. It appears the Cox signing was announced prematurely. “Sympathy for the Devil” would have been appropriate musical accompaniment.
Nice play Claude!
But “Jigsaw Puzzle” works well for postings about free agency signings.
You may not know football, but you got good taste in music.. Lol
Glad we have something on which we agree.
Like Dan Webb says, what’s the latest on alex Smith?
Who cares? As long as he leaves!
Aww… a Raiders fan.
Nope, NOT a Raiders fan. I want Alice GONE. The sooner the better.
On one hand I think these first two signings are great examples of bargain-hunting by Baalke. He has signed two players with lots of talent to low-risk contracts. The best possibility is getting a legitimate #2-3 corner and a #2 WR for almost no money.
However I am nervous about the off-field issues for both players. It shows how confident Harbaugh is that he can preach the team attitude, but both of these guys are risky. I don’t think Cox will be an issue because the defense has an established personality and veterans to keep him in line. Moss on the other hand, could prove detrimental to the team-first attitude of the offense. At no point in his career has he been a willing blocker or run routes at full speed if he wasn’t getting the ball. In the 49ers offense those are the top two priorities.
Thoughts?
moss has no off field issues compared to cox its night and day
Agreed, but Moss has proven to be a much bigger on the field concern in terms of bringing a me-first attitude to the locker room. If Cox makes one wrong step off the field, the Niners will cut him. I don’t know if that will happen if Moss is just being a diva with the team…
he doesn’t like meter maids, right?
SF has a meter maid issue don’t they…..or is it all electronically driven now
wheres the ramones?
How about the Dictators?
Ramones, 1-2 3-4
I need to be sedated about now
Beatles /Ramones bingo!!” Beat on the brat…”
CBGB’s, Hilly Crystal, RIP.
If I can comment on one FA signing, Moss obviously, I’d just like to say I think everyone who is losing their minds over him disrupting the locker room and so forth are kind of forgetting the humble-pie Moss had to eat the last couple of years. Both he and T.O. are in desperation mode right now, the clock is winding down on their respective careers and they have zero championships between them. They both know demand is low for their services, they’ll have to play for cheap, and they better work their tails off to shake the doubts about their abilities. Harbaugh wouldn’t bring Moss on if he didn’t think the guy’s hunger for a title wasn’t legit. Furthermore, if he goes awry, cutting him wont be anymore difficult than it was for Braylon Edwards.
I think that’s valid Jesse. I just worry that his attitude will affect the work ethic of other WRs, namely Crabtree and/or any rookie that we draft.
I get that, but I believe that Harbaugh has everyone drinking the Kool-Aid so absolutely, that the players would turn on any dissenters before a real impact could be maid.
What do you think of the Cox signing? Our new PR/KR?
Don’t forget to play “Who’s Next” with “The Bargain” (for Moss) and “Won’t Get Fooled Again” (for Nate Clements).
Alas” My Generation” for Randy ..”I hope I die for I get old”(too late Pete!)
Brandon Marshall to bears for two 3rd rounders!
then manning and garcon to miami
or reggie wayne
Real cheap, what are the Dolphins thinking.
Is there a possibility that the niners don’t re-sign alex smith, please give me some hope of a superbowl and say yes! We can’t rely on the greatest turn over margain in 30 years every year. Our defense is gonna wear down with alex’s constant three and outs if we just had a little big play ability at the qb position I would be so happy, I’ve watch 8 years of alex the human blooper reel smith.
It’s a possibility until the moment he signs a contract.
Brandon Marshall traded to Bears for A3rd rounds picks, we couldve got him for the same picks.
I know 49ers are taking a big gamble taking Moss. Historically, he is a trouble maker and at times has a poor work ethic…let’s pray he changed. I could only believe the Miner’s would have rather signed Jackson or Manningham but was not willing to spend money. I want to see wins!
Alex Smith is officially a free agent. At least make a call to Manning for crying out loud.
Randy Moss, Perrish Cox… Makes me wonder, with $20 mil and some change under salary cap why spend so little on key needs! Are they saving up for a surprise Manning push? Or Mario Williams? Carl Nicks?
I don’t see them getting into a bidding war for PM. BTW, the current lead contender, the Denv Broncs have around $50M under the cap.
looks like theyre saving big for… Tavares Gooden!!!!
Mario Williams would be an incredible feat. I hope they are trying to pull that off.
I still dont understand why we cant just CALL Manning for a workout.
With all this money to spend, I don’t know who we are looking at. Hopefully Nicks, 2 WRs, and a CB.
yeah, i already put in my vote for nicks
I “second that emotion”!
Sounds like a guard might be in their future. If they don’t get Carl Nicks. How about hutchinson for cheap?
One of those two would make me happy. I know football guys are not choir boys or maybe some are, Tebow? but I know your are inoncent until proven guilty but a player that possibly commited rape:? Moss I believe is very Narcistic and may not be great for a young wr class, so like all of you I am scratching my head, but at the same time did any of us think 1, Ninners in championship game,2, Alex on the niners much less a championship team, 3 Aldon Smith who is that:? looking back this weekend on SI’s prediction piece, it had the niners 4th in the NFC West, shows anything is possible:?
Hutchinson is 34, go for a newer model or upgrade to a Mercedes in Nicks.
Hutchinson could start this year and mentor Kilgore Andrew.
I knew you didn’t have a soul, but jeeeeeez. Get Back? I Want You (She’s So Heavy)? Happiness Is a Warm Gun? Dammit man, I love the Beach Boys as much as the next guy, but come on!
Anything by James Brown.
Please Please Please!Beatles Ramones & JB turn it loud!
Bears just traded for WR BMarshall from Mia – two third round picks.
Can you believe that? Why weren’t we on the phone for that one? Lol
Bears have better picks this year and probably next as well. Plus Marshall is the last thing the niners need right now. Moss and a rookie or 2 is the right way to go. You will see!
Reuniting Marshall with Cutler – two players with poor reputations around the league. Maybe they’ll bring the best out of each other like they did in Denver. If the Bears get Mario Williams, too, they could be Super Bowl favorites.
Good point but they still need to keep Cutler upright and off IR.
#3 ILB?
Tavares Gooden re-signed, per the team.
Ooooooo!! Well done!! Gooden was an AWESOME ST’er!! I hear he was a great locker room presences, as well!! I like this!! 9ers showing some continuity!!
And he’s from “The U”. Frank Gore, T. Gooden and Cory Nelms (who is better than Perrish Cox). Now let’s get Tommy Streeter and Lamar Miller in the draft.
Would rather have costanzo
I wonder if TB has the skills to get a trade like Chicago just got? That was a great trade for the bears. Who will be here next season. Wheew
@md
Wallace…please
Sorry, Wallace is not going to happen. I would start bracing yourself for that!
I think his philosophy not his skills are limiting him from making that sort of trade. He wants to build the team through the draft that means stockpiling draftpicks and trading up and down in the draft to get the players they want. The only trades I see them making are to get other teams draft picks.
I disagree.
In 2 drafts, TB moved up a few spots to get Davis and CK.
So the idea that TB won’t trade away picks is false.
Re-read my statement, I said
“trading up and down in the draft to get the players they want.”
Meaning if there is a player they want they will trade away picks to move up to draft players they want.
What is the difference?
If you lose a 1st round pick now, or you lose a 1st round pick come draft day. You still lose that pick. You still end up drafting the same number of players either way.
Well you don’t get the same number of picks if you trade a draft pick away for a current player.
What I’m unsuccefully driving at is that when you build through the draft you dont trade away draft picks for current players. You build up a large pool of draftpicks through various trades and trade the excess picks to move up in the draft. Remember a few years ago when we traded away our 2nd round pick for Carolina’s 1st round pick for the next year. That next year we had two 1st round picks and drafted Anthony Davis and Mike Iupati.
My only point is that TB is less likely to trade away draft picks for current players.
@Htesrepus
No. I understand what you are saying.
And the supposed king of doing this are Patriots.
But, wanna know something kinda interesting? The Patriots have not had the best drafts in recent years. They have gotten a lot of picks, but many of them did not turn out.
The Patriots got Moss from either FA or trade with the Raiders. I forget which. The point is that they didn’t get their great WR threat in the draft. They got a guy with NFL success.
The Pats have had a ton of picks. Yet, they are still basically Tom Brady and a defense that tries to hang on. After several years of so many picks, shouldn’t their defense be better than this? If this strategy is such a sure fire way to build, how come the Pats (on defense especially) gotten worse? During their 3 titles in 4 year run they had a great defense. Then those guys retired. And, they have never been anywhere near as good. You know the Pats know their defense sucks. They keep trying to improve it, but they can’t.
How come? The Pats have had the most picks by far since that time, and yet their defense for the last 5-6 years(?) or so has been mediocre on their best day. It has been quite awhile since their last Super Bowl, and they still have their franchise QB. So, why can’t they build a complete team around him?
There is some thought that their are two ways to build a winner.
1. The Redskins way where you sign a bunch of FA’s. Though they have never really won.
2. Draft a lot. Do minimal work in FA.
Well, in the case of Wallace, I think he is worth a 1st round pick. He is no 29 or 30 year old player. He is just entering his prime. With a rookie, you likely need to wait a few years to get him up to speed. With Wallace, you have a guy who can make an instant upgrade in our greatest area of need. And who will be there for a decade or more. So, you get an experienced NFL winner with Wallace. And another 10 years of good production all for one 1st round pick and some money. Likely double that what we are paying for Mr. 1 catch. That seems reasonable.
I think you need a happy medium to be great team. You have to be smart (and a little lucky) in the draft and smart in picking up free agents. Basically balance out the risk and reward and, because of the salary cap, do your best not to overinvest in a player. Most important of all though, the coaches need to know how to use the players they have.
Well the patriots aren’t exactly awful, they’ve been to the superbowl what 5 times in the last 10 years and I can’t remember the last time they’ve had a losing record. They’ve lost alot of coordinators to head coaching jobs, that’s one thing that hurt them. But, I digest I kind of hate the patriots so I don’t have that much in depth knowledge of their roster troubles.
The Patriots are Tom Brady.
Tom Brady goes down, and they are in a lot of trouble. It won’t be like last time. Randy Moss was in his prime and Cassel just had to throw it up and Moss made plays.
I see them in a lot of ways like I saw the Niners at the end of SY’s career. The Niners were 1 really great QB, and WR and a bunch of other guys. When SY went down, the Niners had to rebuild. They looked to have done so until York fired Mooch and the decade of failure began.
Now, QB’s are protected so much now, TB can still play for awhile now. By and large the NFL is a passing league, and if you have TB doing what he does well, then you will have a winning team. But only as long as TB is playing. TB goes out/down, that slack has to be picked up (primarily by the defense) and it won’t be. The Pats will lose a lot of games.
@DS94ever
I think Belichick is not as sharp as people think or maybe he’s lost some of his edge. The past years he would have multiple picks in the first and second rounds and come away with nothing. When he couldn’t close the deal at 18-0 a little voice told me he’ll never win another.
DS, if Brady goes dwn they might be ok. They drafted my cousin, Ryan Mallett last year.
@Andrew
I don’t know if I would go that far. But I do think BB has done everything he knows how to do, and it isn’t getting the job done anymore.
@jack
Really? Supposedly a long lost cousin of mine coached PM in high school.
Like a 747 DS. What are your thoughts on the 49ers free agency moves so far?
DX If i recall correctly (i’m too lazy for wikipedia) i believe it was for a 4th round pick trade with the Raiders…low risk, HIGH REWARD.
That could be it.
And, you are right. Low risk. What are the chances of drafting a player of RM’s caliber in the 4th round? How long would it take to develop that player, or does he just walk in and win games for you?
I think Wallace can do the same for us. Though for a 1st round pick. Still can’t be assure of getting a better player than him though, and he will be around for a long time. In its own way, I see it as a low risk high reward deal. If we are able to win 1 Super Bowl it is worth it.
There’s something about Mike Wallace that doesn’t let me believe he is a legit WR, honestly i would take Dwayne Bowe over Mike Wallace. Don’t ask why, i have my reasons…but if some OTHER team gets Mike Wallace i don’t think he will go over 1,000 yards (called it first)…i may eat my words but i just don’t think if he goes somewhere he’ll have as much success
@redhanddan
Ok. You have your right.
But Wallace is not a trouble guy. He has been in big games playing in Pitt. And he has produced big.
So, he won’t freeze up like MC did. And, we don’t know if Bowe would freeze either.
If Cox is “slow”, could he be converted to Safety?
Not big enough I don’t believe
If Alex Smith doesn’t re-sign then Cox can be converted into the new Niner Blog Lightning Rod (NBLR or hate nibbler).
Jimi Hendrix and a Band of Gypsys, Power of Love.
HP, good stuff where’s our boy Crab15? JHend is his pre-game 9er music! lol
It was either that or some Bay funk. A little Sly and the Family Stone, Higher.
Jimi = Van Gogh = unique
Robert Meachem is visiting Buffalo along with Mario Williams.. damn Also Garçon is talking a contract with Washington
Laurent Robinson is better than those two.
Shoot at this point anyone can help
Dal got hit with a $10M cap fine so most likely won’t be resigning LR especially since they are in need of CBs desperately.
Looks like Laurent Robinson is on his way to visit the Jags
If Robinson signs there, the Niners would have a better chance at re-signing Morgan.
Yeah, Im still hoping we get Morgan and a bigger name out there. If were not spending big on WRs and CBs then how great would it be for the 9ers to be saving the cash for Mario Williams?
They already signed Ahmad Brooks. It’s more realistic they’re saving that money for Manning or Wallace.
If healthy, Manning can help but is so not their style. Wallace, I can definitely see them jumping on.
I agree.
GC, PM and MW doesn’t fit their frugality plan. Don’t see it. If TB was speaking straight, he wants to sign their FAs and that $20M gives them the money to do so…
@hof
I believe the new agreement requires teams to spend virtually all the salary cap money.
You can’t be cheap.
@DS:
believe the new agreement requires teams to spend virtually all the salary cap money.
Not this year.
@claude
Does it roll over to next year(the unspent money)? If not, then the Niners will be looked upon as being cheap and rightfully so.
I like the idea of Robinson. Size is good, was a playmaker for the Cowboys. Fits the system and won’t have to give up a kidney to get him here.
@DS:
I do not know whether rolling over unspent cap money into the next year is a one time thing this year or an every year thing.
In addition to spending on free agents, the 49ers could get closer to the cap by extending the contracts of current players they want to keep long term. Navorro Bowman may be a logical candidate for such treatment.
As for free agents, I would expect Baalke to do what he did last year – let the frantic first wave of signings die down, survey the remaining players, and sign quality guys to reasonable contracts.
I know we re-signed Brooks, but Kamerion Wimbley is available (with a guaranteed $5 million from the Raiders coming his way). If teams somehow overlook him in the Mario Williams frenzy, he would be a nice pick up. A team can never have too many pass rushers.
As for cornerbacks, Rogers may come back, and other quality guys will still be available next week. Tracy Porter comes to mind.
Rogers, Nicks, Wallace, Morgan, and Grubbs. From this list, who do you think has the best chance of being a 49er Grant?
Morgan.
With Morgan signed to the Redskins, who do you think may be a 49er now Grant?
Morgan.. whoops you said “Grant”
wouldn’t assume morgan would be much of a cap hit…..correct…..
still leaves the door open for nicks and this may be the best ROI which allows AS to calm down and wait for WR and others to come open as well as being a road grader…..
getting a wallace and not being able to have a few extra moments to survey the field ala brady-like would reduce the ROI…..
and aren’t the niner trying to be like the patriots…or the 90 cowboys in the trenches
probably would help with the tipped passes at the LOS if the oline can really keep a clean pocket and allow AS the opportunity to throw in open windows along the line
I still have concerns about anthony davis …. since in my estimation he was the reason the supposed wheel route to DW that AS missed in the championship game and was sacked was because A davis let his man come thru and flush AS to his left into other giants….
getting a nicks may really help A davis with outside rushes …. A davis seems to do a lot of helping out on inside stunts and loses vision on the outside pressure
Nicks would solidify the left side for years. Any mistakes Davis makes inside would be wiped out by Nicks. Please sign him.
seems very quiet on both thier right g’s and several special team players. Will they replace the guard internally. seems like management doesn’t value the special teams players as much as the fans.
I’d bet they’ wait on signing a RG to make sure they don’t overpay for one.
Given how much Blake wants to be back I’m surprised they haven’t signed him yet.
Perhaps he feels low-balled.
Personally, I don’t think JH likes Costanzo’s over aggressiveness. It got the team penalized on a couple of occasions. I saw JH tell Seely to address CostanZo after a personal foul he committed.
Grant, if they re-sign Morgan are they done with WR in free agency?
Probably, unless they can resign Ginn, too.
But I still expect them to draft a receiver, perhaps even in the first round. The Bears won’t be drafting a receiver, so it’s more likely Kendall Wright and Stephen Hill will drop. The Niners will want to hedge their Moss bet in the draft.
yep that does appear to take the floyd and hill speculation out of the equation at #19
could prove to be an interesting development if the niners are targeting fleener and hill or floyd are still there for a trade down possibility
I doubt the Niners are targeting Fleener, but depending on how the draft breaks he could end up the best player available at 30.
I’d be surprised if the Niners drafted Fleener over Kendall Wright, Stephen Hill, Janoris Jenkins or Stephon Gilmore.
Up until Orson’s DUI, Fleener at 30 was looking good. He may go higher now, unfortunately.
What about Eddie Royal Grant?
He seems like strictly a slot receiver, and the Niners need a flanker if they lose Morgan. I don’t think Crabtree is quick enough to be a good flanker. He’s better at split end or in the slot.
True. How about Meachem?
Meachem would be a better option for the Niners than Royal.
Pierre Garçon is signing with Washington Redskins
Possibly to *lure* PM over to the fold??!
Doubt it Hof. They didn’t give up so many draft picks to the Rams just to pass on RG3.
Yeah but do you think they have the money to sign PM? They are gonna have to spend for him because they can’t promise him a playoff berth with the team they have
Wires crossed! I was thinking Mia not Skins.
Hofer,
Put the wine down Hofer.
Please keep it football only. Knbr used to kill me when pauli would go off for days on a music tangent.
Any rb’s out there yet?
Garcon signing with the Redskins and VJax in negotiations with Tampa. Looks like all the WR’s are signing quick. And the Niners aren’t on any reports. Hoping its like last year
Think 2nd tier.
@Adam707
Good. I don’t want any of those guys anyway. Go for Wallace. Or look towards the draft or some great talent we don’t know about who becomes available. One who we say “Why him?” in August. And come February, we are like “That is why”!”
If we made no push for VJAX we will not make any towards Wallace either i think. Especially with CHI getting Marshall they will not be drafting a WR first. Maybe Hill or Wright drop to us.
There are complaints about VJax.
There are no complaints about Wallace.
And Wallace is the fastest WR in the NFL. Imagine him with Moss on the other side. The middle of that defense would be open for runs.
wow! just read this:
Redskins on verge of signing 49ers WR Josh Morgan
Im really hoping that we can resign him..
Whoa. Now, that’s big news.
If that happens, so much for my prediction and Grant’s.
That actually would make a lot of sense as much as I would hate to lose him. That is home for Morgan and the Skins have a need and not as much Cap space as they thought.
Adam Schefter reports. Damnit 49ers. WTF are we doing
JasonColeYahoo:
Redskins may get Morgan done for a 2-year deal
Its only been an hour into FA. I trust that The niners have a plan. As it is, our only real WRs are Moss and Crabtree, they have to be working on another FA
I’d hate to see JMorg leave. Very bad news. I know they have a plan and it better be more than RMoss!
MManningham or RMeachem?
After last year, are we really going to sit here on the first day of free agency and moan about the 49ers’ lack of activity?
Did no one learn anything?
That said, I share Grant’s concern about the possible shift in the locker room.
I liked Morgan a ton but look at his stats, he never had that breakout year. If he had stayed healthy he would’ve had it last year IMO.
Yup, just heard it from Adam Schefter on ESPN. Dang!
garcon did sign with redskins
There saying Morgan close to deal with Washington.
I say go for Wallace, but Moss looks like he’s a lock as our #1.
If not Morgan, then Meachem.
Although it doesn’t seem like their usual style, I’d be OK with paying up for Nicks to play RG.
There are only a few WRs in the draft who’d be better than J.Morgan, so I’d like to see him re-signed.
Whoops. Day late and $ short.
Gotta keep Morgan, that would be a big loss
Not happening. He’s going to the Redskins.
I just posted something up above in the text about Joshua Morgan. If you’re interested, please refer to it.
Now the Bucs are in talks with Carl Nicks….here comes Torture 3.0 wondering what Cousin Baalke is going to do…plus Garcon is gone, and Josh Morgan is on his way to the Skins, too…ugh
EZ, Bro’
Last year I was stressing early, but final roundup was just fine.
Losing Morgan would be a huge loss for us. He was a Pro’s pro. Hard working and dedicated. Have to feel the Niners low balled him in their offers, driving him away
They have to find a replacement for Morgan. When they signed Moss I imagined them using him for certain situations and not really an every down player since they like to have a rotation at WR. I’ll be highly disappointed if Baalke doesn’t make a move.
Any word on Snyder or Costanzo?
Snyder was one of the worst rated Guards in the league by Profootballfocus, 49ers should let him walk.
Snyder is a good backup though. We need him for that.
He’ll probably get starters money from a foolish team just because he was a Niner.
remember the 9ers MO from this summer they didnt sign anyone early and people were screaming for baalkes head but when we did start signing we ended up with the best FA class we’ve ever signed. i expect much of the same this yr
Any word on Rachal? (jk)
I’ll scour the cfl sites….
If you look at it as a trade of Moss for Morgan it is a bad trade. Morgan will make the crutial catches and play tough ball every play. He was Smith’s security blanket. Moss will strictly be a deep threat like your dad says, he will probably get limited plays per game. Niners have to go after robinson, meachem or any one of those second tier FA’s. May rely on the draft and get wright or hill. We need a Morgan type of receiver to fill in
Moss will be limited, Niners know that. We will make a run at another WR. We have too much money to sit and do nothing
We didnt have Morgan for most of the season and look at our final record. Im sure theyre looking for a WR as we speak—type
That was because of our defense. Our pass game was one of the worst and that was partly because of our WR’s. If Moss was our only FA signing our WR core will be the same it was last year
If JMorg is gone and they signed RM for one year, they will move up in the draft and get their WR. Probably KWright or SHill. Hmm.
Or Floyd. If there’s one thing the Niners have demonstrated over the last 24 hours it’s that they aren’t worried about adding players with character concerns.
GC, that is so true. Interesting. If they need to release guys mid year, hope they have backups. It hurt them big time in the playoffs with the practice squad guys.
They could get a damn good reciever with their #1 pick. His name is MIKE WALLACE!!!!! :-)
Good to see you come around md.
Ds I’m still in like with MC though. You watch he will be a good one
@md
If MC does the things I said I wanted him to do (make big time plays in big games in big moments and learns to catch the football and not drop it and I’m talking playoffs here) then I will eat a straw hat.
You can buy it for me. Send it to Grant. I’ll give Grant my address and he can mail to me.
If MC does not satisfy my requirements for him, you will have to eat a straw hat.
Whatcha say?
Staw Hat Pizza is top-notch, but I’m not sure it would survive 5 minutes at the famed CohnZone dining table!!!
But who can say with any certainty that lightning will strike twice for the Niners and Baalke…I have faith, but its wavering a little…however, its still early in the ballgame, so to speak…
Washington signed Garcon. Are they still signing Morgan?
if your looking for early signings for the 9ers you will be waiting along time. do you notice who else is absent from the early signings……the patriots
@ old coach
… and the Packers, the Giants (except for Martellus Bennett), the Ravens, and other teams that have good track records over the past 5 years.
Right now, the big players appear to be the Redskins (perennially the NFL’s best team in March), the Bills, and the Bucs. Which group do you want the 49ers to be part of?
I think a lot of people here are curious to see if something happens with Mike Wallace today.
Too much to pay…maybe for a QB but a WR? I think not!
@Grant:
Yeah, but I don’t have a good grasp on the typical mechanics of RFA signings. Do they typically happen early in free agency?
…damn….we shldn’t lose morgan…
…….damn damn….he’s heading home…..
With Morgan likely to sign with Washington, I say 49ers go strong after Meachem, and consider Royal as a slot option. If not, we should get Kendall Wright, Stephen Hill and/or Marvin Jones in the draft.
Going after Wallace is looking better now because of the lack of WR options, although the teams that would want Wallace still have the cap space to pay him more.
Royal is going to Was also. How can they sign all these players when they lost some cap room?
with vince jackson going to tampa probably means SD will push hard for meachem…
Reggie Wayne anyone?
RMeachem may sign with Bills. Hmm.
Cal’s Marvin Jones would be a good replacement for Morgan. A flanker/punt returner. Second or third round pick.
I agree. But weren’t we hoping to upgrade? There has to be something to add to Moss.
Not whining, just speculating…….
Good call Grant, I like Jones. Good fit too.
Lay off the BEATLE put downs. I’ve heard it all before..even Dylan said their songs (then) had nothing to say and others called them nursery rymes. But that band grew like EINSTEIN on steroids crossed with Keats and Beatle-hoven all rolled over into one.
That Brian Wilson -the real one- to this day- say’s the Beatles WERE a greater band and songwriters then the BB’S is to his credit,brilliant honesty.
The battle as I see it-BB’s or Creedence?…
Great tidbit from Branch: “In their final 9 games together, Alex Smith had a 125.7 rating when targeting Joshua Morgan. (28 of 36, 482 yards, 2 TD, 1 INT).”
But,could Jim have settlled for a 45 point win? NOoooo…
And the Niners didn;t find it necessary to bring him back. This is BS.
Ouch. That makes Morgan’s exit hurt even more.
Adam707,
Relax. Whatever happens we’ve seen HarBaalke prepared and ready to handle what comes their way. It would suck to lose Morgan but there are a lot of other moves left to be made.
MC’s production now has to go up just that much more if we lose Morgan.
So much for letting the market establish the offer and then match it. More like this is our number: take it or go home. I guess we can always sign TO. (If nothing else just to keep new #84 Randy Moss entertained).
Good Luck, Joshua Morgan
Grant, what’s going on with Alex? Is he signing anytime soon?
Alex Smith signed with the Browns… :)
Haha – Beat you to it by a few minutes (see comment below :-)
i had assume morgan was a keeper as well….
kind of throws a wrench into my thoughts…..
i still can’t get my mind around trading the 3oth pick for wallace and a big dent int he cap space for what i don’t think would be a big ROI at the WR positions just like i thought when the niners took VD at #6 that it was a good investment since TE don’t really touch the ball that often for that kind of money ….. just seems like too much money in one postion for the amount of targeting if the idea of the WCO is to distribute the ball to 6 or 7 playmakers…..and the JH offense tends to do this….
VD at #6 was not a good ROI in my opinion to correct a mistype above
suppose one could say my infatuation on getting nicks is too much money into one position as well…..and probably not conducive to the future harmony of the oline two and three years down the road
Sorry to see him leave such a team player, and true professional.
Rule #1 of NFL FA:
Never, ever get into a bidding was with the Redskins.
Let them do what they are good at and bid against themselves. There’s no way that Id get into to a bidding was for Morgan
whoops * bidding war
WR Pierre Garcon signed a five-year, $42.5 million deal with Redskins that includes $21 million in guarantees, according to league source -
–and this is why they are forever bad.
Daniel Snyder makes a splash in FA and he’s still spinning his wheels since he bought the team.
Alex Smith signs 1 year deal with Cleveland per Matt Barrows…
TE Alex Smith, that is :-)
Ha! Nice
Hahaha! Got me for that one millisecond! : >)
HAHA i saw that. Thats very clever. It was like the Jed York tweet yesterday about “A former Colts pro bowl QB throwing to Moss, Harbaugh that is”
Barrows did the same thing on Twitter…I just stole the idea ‘cuz it sounded like fun :-)
They can have both AS’ Lets save our $$ and get Josh Johnson and go after Wallace!!! (Probably not gonna happen)
Would y’all PEASE give it up with this lame Josh Johnson stuff? I apologize if that’s disrespectful, but damn Sam!
If we didn’t sign Moss I’d say go for Wallace, but getting Wallace now would mean him and Moss will be battling for playing time at the same position. I’d rather draft a reciever in the draft that won’t have to come in and start. He can sit behind Moss for a year and be the starter come ’13.
@mayo63
“..but getting Wallace now would mean him and Moss will be battling for playing time at the same position.”
No it doesn’t. Why can’t both be out there at the same time? Imagine Moss on one side. Wallace on the other. VD in the game along with FG and Hunter.
Why can’t the Niners do that?
People need to stop the Josh Johnson crap. If Alex leaves we need an UPGRADE.
I’d much rather let CK start to getting JJ.
@tutomate
“People need to stop the Josh Johnson crap”
Won’t happen. I share your opinion. But they wanted JJ when the Niners were 9-1 and JJ was sitting on the bench in Tampa.
LOL.
San Francisco, Washington and Tampa Bay both pursuing free-agent CB Eric Wright. Per @AdamSchefter
And since we’re all posting about what we’re listening to at the moment
‘Time For Heroes’ by The Libertines
I guess it’s fitting….c’mon Baalke make some magic happen (just like last year)
So long as he doesn’t wear #21…wouldn’t be Wright :-)
hahaha i thought the same thing!
“@AdamSchefter And now the 49ers also jumping in on Chiefs free-agent CB Brandon Carr.” LETS GOOOOOO!!!!!!
i am on board with this getting carr….or fineggan
I would choose Carr since he’s a bit younger, but Cortland Finnegan is a great CB as well…
Well, Finnegan is another character puke, he might be the better fit at this point
Do you know what type of corners the two are? Cover? Man-to-man? I’m not too familiar with them
Carr would answer a lot of questions.
Niners pursuing CB Eric Wright. Looks like they really have no intent to resign CR
And pusruing Carr. I like this one
If the Browns want both Smiths…Vince Young is there. Or of course, Payton.
Young-he could turn his career around too like Smith with a coach who pounds on his pads to build confidence. Payton doesnt need that,he would be worried Jim misses near the neckage area..
@Stan
Vince Young needs to get hit in the head and heart. Not his shoulder pads.
What a loser Vince Young is.
Its not looking good for him…
Vince Young makes Randy Moss look like George Gipp.
Come on it’s worth a few laughs.
Looks like the Niners are pursuing both Eric Wright and Brandon Carr. Looks like Carlos Rogers is definitely not coming back…
Yes to Carr, No to Wright.
Even though I know that no other team is interested in alex smith I pray a team executive for the Seahawks gets drunk and they swoop in and sign alex smith, it’s a win win, the niners will be way better and the Seahawks will be a non factor. Alex Smith going to Seattle is the football equivalent of giving the Seahawks AIDS.
wow
Know who wouldn’t be missed Dan?
Hint: last part of the bloggers name is Bunz
Lay off the hate for just one blog, ok Dan?
Wright is a smurf corner. I think the Niners like them big.
Well its gonna come down to if the player wants a chance for the playoffs and SB(49ers) or the cash money (Washington and Tampa Bay)
I like hearing this, but could be just a feeler like Nmandi was last year
@AdamSchefter And now the 49ers also jumping in on Chiefs free-agent CB Brandon Carr.
Any thoughts? He will be more expensive, but he is younger and could be better than Rogers.
If a team is going to go after a free agent, Carr is the kind of free agent you want to see it pursue: young and emerging. He’s only 25, and he’s already quite good. Plus, he’s 6′ and weighs > 200 lbs.
He’s just about the only FA CB I would prefer to Rogers.
That said, if his main goal is to maximize his income, the 49ers are not likely to land him.
If they are going to go hard after a CB and pay him, I’d rather it be the younger guy with upside like Carr. The Cowboys are after him as well so he isn’t going to come cheap.
Maybe the Niners are showing interest in Carr to make Rogers nervous and back down on his demands and re-sign???
Get Carr, he’d automatically start over Culliver.
If Smith hasn’t signed that deal yet, Baalke would be stupid not to at least begin conversations with Josh Johnson. If for any other reason than to show Smith’s agent that they are willing to walk….
I like Carr…..
Wonder how much Morgan signed for….
2 years 6 mill
Is it 6mill a year?
no
Why do so many Niners fans have a hard on for Josh Johnson? Reminds of when Nate Davis was playing for the Niners. Geesh
Because he is their current QB “flavor of the month”.
@Shawn
Not named AS.
They had the same anatomical excitement over McNabb, Hasselbeck, Kolb, guy down the street.
Best advice I can give you is to skip their posts. It won’t take you long to figure out who is always saying it.
I heard 2 yrs for 6 mil per. for Morgan. Washington is overpaying for players again, seems like they didn’t learn from before, now they will give weapons to RGIII, but kill the rest of their team because they can’t pay any good players money, like their defense.
How can the Redskins afford $6million/year?
They have been forced to drop their salary for this year 20-30(?) million, and they gave Garcon a huge contract. And they want to draft the #2 overall pick from the NFL draft.
Something isn’t right here.
@Michael
It seems like Washington has been doing that continuously since when George Allen was HC/GM in the 70s.
No way they paid 6 per for Morgan.
3 mill per year
washington can split their debt over a couple of years so they are probably finagling…..
Surely, the 49ers would be willing to pay Morgan $3 million/year.
I was thinking the same thing Claude. If they think that highly of him, 3 mill is not outrageous imo.
Although if Morgan really wants to play near home it’s a moot point.
@Claude
If JM gets $3 million from us, no way you keep MC around then.
@rocket:
Good point.
@jgwindsor:
Sorry for calling you Shirley.
@DS:
I’m not sure why you say that. The team does not appear to have excessive funds committed to the WR position.
Because the Niners would be spending 8.5-9.5 million the next 2 years on two WR’s who have never really proved themselves better than average.
That is a lot of money going to two guys. Niether of which is exceptional. And whose total sum of salary cap hit could be used to sign 1 player who really is great.
Better to have 1 dangerous great player than 2 average players. Teams never have to scheme around average players. Teams do have to scheme around great players and that opens up things someplace else to exploit the opposition.
@DS:
I think it’s more like 8.3-8.4, which I do not have a problem with, but that doesn’t really address your point.
I am not as down on Crabtree as you are and have no problem with his salary for 2012. If he’s a problem next year, they may want to think about moving him, but this year seems too soon.
If he is a problem this year, then that would be two straight playoffs when he was. And the Niners won’t win the Super Bowl.
That is one to many for my tastes. I am not forgiving 1 catch in the title game and not pointing the finger at himself so easily, and having almost as many drops as catches the the entire playoffs.
I don’t think Moss can be an everydown WR. So, MC will still be facing the other teams #1. And he can’t beat an average #1 CB.
Do the Niners feel that Rogers great season was due to their defensive scheme as opposed to his talent? If they are willing to go after Wright or Carr, it appears that they feel its more scheme
That, and age. Rogers is 5 years older than either Carr or Wright. Carr would be an upgrade for sure. Wright would be a slight downgrade, IMO, but not terrible. Culliver would challenge Wright for the job, but Carr would easily win out over Culliver.
Yes, but the Niners just went with a 35 year old in Moss over a younger Joshua Morgan. I guess Baalke can be inconsistent about age if he wants to be…
@OpenMinded:
I am not sure that I would look at the events of the last two days as a trade of Morgan for Moss. They fill two different roles.
Still not happy about losing Morgan, but I will not lose slepp over it.
Open, may be right if this RM signing backfires…
@hof
No. I agree with open.
If the RM thing backfires, then it didn’t cost the Niners much financially. And, M is basically a less mature more expensive version of JM. Both players fill the same role on offense. No big loss to lose one. Just would have preferred it to be MC. JM did things the way I like.
Would you pay Morgan a two year 12 million contract and 7.5 mill is guaranteed and missed most of the season which he got from the Redskins or take Randy Moss at 2.5 million not guarantee and it is a low risk and a possible high gain and has scored a touchdown or two in his career. I would go with Moss, if he acts up, throw to him to the curb.
It is more due to age. They are both significantly younger than Rogers. I would prefer us to get Carr over Rogers becuase we can sign Carr for 5 years as opposed to 2-3 for Rogers
I think scheme is a big deal. Look at how T.Brown looked so improved when playing in a system he was better suited for. Even Nate would’ve looked better under Fangio. I like Carlos, but I’ll trust Baalke.
I think the 9ers pass rush is the key to making corners look good. They don’t have to cover as long and can jump routes cause they know the qb is under pressure. I’m looking forward to some young aggressive corners this year. Goodbye Rogers thanx for the best year of your career.
Rogers re-signed with SF. 4 years, $29M. Now you’re the guy who’s stuck rooting for someone you made that comment about.
Finnegan would cost more than Carr would…and isn’t he a bit of a headcase?
I’ve not seen that JMorg signing by skins is confirmed.
Come on Niner hacker fans.
Give the Redskins a virus to stop any such official transaction allowing the Niners a chance to get Josh back here.
Hasn’t signed officially yet
Time to match that deal, Trent! Fake 5yrs and $12M with $7.5M gtee can be easily matched or trumped! GO Trent!
The 9ers interest in CB EWright fits their 2nd/3rd tier plan for FA.
…he also fits in the system…….he will be great playing under coverage, something carlos did well last yr…….
bad teams panic and pay way to much on the first day of free agency. the 49ers are no longer a bad team and i do’nt see any panic. i wonder how many people on this blog were highly critical of baalke early in the process last yr
@oldcoach
Think of the biggest number you can imagine.
Then subtract from that number the smallest number you can think of.
Then you have your answer.
I’m one of those. Aldon who I said.
Desperate teams don’t make the playoffs.
NFL Net should change their name to the PM Network. Jeez.
Is Eric Wright of the Lions,relateted to the former 49er of the same name?
No
Blake Costanzo two offers on the table. None from Niners. He’s our best special teamer. Would be foolish to let him go
Disagree.
Spillman is better.
But, it would be a bad move to let him go none the less.
I’d say spillman is more valuable because he got in defense on som redzone packages. But not better when it comes to special teams.
Look for CJones to be the guy on ST this year!
@hof
If so, then why did the Niners resign Spillman? Only place left for him would be to play safety and be the replacement for DG after this season.
DS,
There’s room for both Jones and Spillman on STs next year.
If Carr is signed does he start over Brown?
Definitely, he was a top 10 corner last year.
They could also be floating their interest in Wright and Carr out there to put pressure on Rogers. Lot of mind games this time of year.
Rogers is an old fart. I don’t want him back.
J Morgan was a true football player with huge upside. I am starting to dislike the Redskins!!!
For good stats on Brandon Carr:http://www.profootballfocus.com/blog/2012/01/12/cornerbacks-a-glance-at-the-2011-numbers/
Qb rating allowed: 61.7 (8th best in the league), Rogers was 9th best with 61.9
Catch percentage: 49.4%(10th best in the league).
Sign him!
gee, maybe i will have to tip my hat to grant on the wallace call….that would take some of the youngster luster off his resume
With the players leaving the Niners makes me wonder if it’s because players were unhappy and did a good job of hiding it or Money talks.
It’s business. Nothing more. Biggest offer wins the day.
Yup! money talks, man. Plus I think he saw the “writting on the wall” when Moss was signed. Didn’t want to be a 3rd Under Moss and Crabs. Damn!! This sucks! I was a HUUUGE fan of Joshua Morgan!!
What players leaving?
So far, it’s only Morgan.
And yet Moss signed for no guaranteed money. $0. Base salary of $1.75M. That barely scratches our cap. Grant makes a point. Moss wasn’t brought in to be the 49ers #1 WR – not at that salary. He’s filling the role expected from Edwards: 500-700 yards and pulling coverage, allowing Crabtree to finally play the slot. With the cap space we still have, we were able to shore up the last starter on defense, Rogers. There’s still room to grab another wing receiver and even re-sign Ginn. Baalke is getting it done.
Skins now have officially signed Garcon, Morgan and added Royal to the mix as well. These poor guys are really suffering from the cap penalities aren’t they?
Yeah no kidding
That sucks we lost Morgan.
Of all the FA’s except AS, I thought he was the most likely to sign.
“Straight cash homie.”
Peter King just posted that Morgan got $6m
$6M per or total?
It’s per year so 12mil total
Total.
Just saw a breakdown of Morgans deal on PFT. It’s actually a 5 year deal that can void to 3 if certain targets are met. He’s guaranteed 7.5 mill but can make up to 12 mill in the first two years. Another one of those deals that pushes the cap hit back into future years.
*voids to two years not three*
Anybody know the latest on Nicks or Grubbs?
looks like the skins are about to get Royal too.. Too bad they currently have no one to throw them the ball
Until April
WR Josh Morgan agrees to five-year deal with Redskins that will void to two years. Worth up to $12 million. $7.5 million “guaranteed.”
Garcon signing with Redskins
http://m.nfl.com/news/09000d5d82792745/freeagent-wr-garcon-announces-intent-to-sign-with-redskins/
Garcon got like $40M over 5 years or something from the Redskins. Anyone know what the hell their doing?
over paying
Doing what they do best..
The redskins are getting targets for RGIII, the cowboys should be worried
They shouldn’t, Redskins D will be hurt in the future. If they are paying all these players now, they will be hurt in future years.
They’re doing exactly what they should be doing. RG3 will now be in an offense that he can immediately succeed in. Luck will struggle/
It’s $40M over 5-yrs with $21M guaranteed, for Garcon? Their crazy.
It was reported Gracon would get 7-8 Mil per. So thats a little under that. I’m sure his contract is back loaded and they dont intend to keep him the full length of the contract
At a minimum it looks like the Skins are going to be fun to watch.
…two-year deal worth up to $12 million, with $7.5 million guaranteed…….gotz to be da home advantage
Has Alex signed yet?
Yup!! Sure did!! Here’s the link:
http://www.dawgsbynature.com/2012/3/13/2868936/cleveland-browns-re-sign-te-alex-smith?ref=yahoo
elGuapo, that’s old news.
elGuapo says:
March 13, 2012 at 4:20 pm
Oh?! It is?! Whoopsie …. But just in case … HEY EVERYBODY Alex Smith signed with the Browns!!
Here’s the link:
http://www.dawgsbynature.com/2012/3/13/2868936/cleveland-browns-re-sign-te-alex-smith?ref=yahoo
That was so two hours ago!! LMAO!
I totally scooped you, Guap :-)
LOL!! 49erGirl, you’re my guy-inside!! haha! and you didn’t even know it!! ;)
….this is not Free agency blog…..where are the updates on FA???………
…..Grant i think its time you get your self a source in the org…….or write something!!!
Grant’s busy reading PFT.
I think Grant’s asleep or something.
I’m here.
Yeah, Grant, we want our money back. Oh…wait…
It’s too bad if the Niners lose Morgan but I’m hoping they take advantage of this free agency class to get a proven #1 receiver as we unfortunately already have a proven #2 receiver in Michael Crabtree. Let the Redskins over pay as they surely will for an unproven #2 coming off a knee surgery. Moss is proven, but also old so who know’s if he will even make the team? Has anyone heard any details about his contract and the amount of guaranteed salary? That’s the real issue here. If Moss is “on” and that’s the only way he’ll be on the field, then he will be way better then Morgan.
Receiver Order:
#1… (maybe Wallace, Jackson, ????)
#2 Michael Crabtree.
#3 Randy Moss.
Already looking a lot better the last year, right? Remember our receivers only had one catch in last years NFC Championship game :(
Let me know when you play Sympathy for the Devil for the Redskins.
May I re-state once more…. M.Crabtree will be our Starter in 2012. And as an addendum; 2012 and beyond!
2012 Starting Receivers:
R.Moss
M.Crabtree
Vernon Davis
And a WR T.B.A. (F/A or rookie)
K.Williams may be on the bubble (he must dominate in TC).
Not crazy about J.Morgan leaving but he has to do what is best for his career. He would have warming the bench here, period!
You can state it as much as you like AES.
I’m not going to be excited having Mr. 1 catch and blame others as my starting WR.
DS, if you are refering to Crabtree (as I assume you are), can you confirm all the times he has blamed others?
The post game interview after the game.
I saw it. I watched it twice. I don’t need to see it again. I saw every other player saying I/we lost it. VD said “We just didn’t finish.” KW took all those questions and didn’t give any excuses.
MC though…. he knew he played bad. Really bad for two straight games. And, he says that he needs to be given more opportunities? How about looking at yourself and making those opportunities happen instead of wanting somebody else to do it for you? How about you get open, so AS does not need to wonder if I should throw it or not. If I got open, then AS can give me the ball without wondering about it. How about I practice catching the ball so that AS will know that if he gets it to me, I won’t drop it.
But, nope. Not from MC.
Like I said. If MC had acted like KW, I would have been able to accept MC’s bad days. Having a bad day is not a choice. Acting/saying what he said is a choice. I forgive bad days readily. I am not so forgiving about bad choices.
Then the comments made last offseason about who is my QB when it was clear that AS would be. He may not have blamed per say, but his attitude was negative. And that is what matters (bothers) me.
Crabs will get better just like smith. Second year in the system etc.
How does 2nd year in the system make you faster, not drop the ball, get separation and lose weight (JR suggestion)? Or get open 1 on 1, or get a better attitude?
The second year in the system will have minimal incremental improvements for most players. The one who will benefit the most is AS since he will know where everybody else is just that much better. But the thing that will matter most is getting a real WR core. AS would have looked better this year with one. The Niners win the Super Bowl with a better WR.
Even ESPN blowhards said it. The Niners WR’s accounted for 1 catch in that game. That won’t get it done year in and year out. We need to clean house and start all over again with our WR’s. Starting with the guy who never wanted to be here. He needs to earn his job this year. And, I don’t think he really wants too here. He wants to go to Dallas. Let him.
I don’t know everything but here’s a few. Knowing the playbook. Just knowing where to go without thinking about it lets you focus on beating the corner and catching the ball. Hopefully a full off season with reps, lots of reps with AS. Last year I saw flashes of goodness and I hope to see more if he is a 49er.
Plus he couldnt stay healthy. Im waay tired of injury prone players. Last year was our first healthy year in a long time. Ginn didnt help though.
I’d like to go after Williams, but I think we’re better off drafting a WR and let him sit a year behind Randy.
@mayo
Mario Williams?
Yoops, I meant Wallace.
JasonLaCanfora:
Randy Moss deal – 1yr, $1.75M in salary, $46,875 per game roster bonuses (max $750K), $1.5M in PT/rec/pro bowl incentives. No guar $ [via Twitter]
Really good contract work by TB. Really good.
All that’s left is pulling the trigger on M.Wallace. Alex would do good to receive what the Org is offering, because with these weapons he only stands to prosper and have great negotiating leverage in two years.
I agree with you on Wallace AES
Losing Josh Morgan stinks.
Good for him though, he gets to go home. And… with the addition (it’s presumed) of RG3 in the draft? Might be interesting.
I wish him well. Seems like a nice kid. Hope his leg has healed up and all that.
If the 49ers sign Wallace it makes sense to let Morgan walk.
Andrew, that is a big *IF*! Still not thrilled with the RM signing. UUGGHH!
Hofer, if Moss makes it through training camp I think he’ll be ok. If not he packs it in early.
Andrew, hope so. I’d like to see at least 8 tds and 4-5 in the RZ.
This is not a live blog on free agency. The host is MIA lol
Grant, mix in some info.
He has nothing to mix in
What have the Raiders done?
Raiders, suck.
@Stan:
What have the Raiders done?
Looked at their salary cap situation and cried.
At least that’s one thing Reggie has done right and no arguments. Get rid of the termites.
Grant, just go to Maiocco’s page and copy and paste.
Much rather have Morgan then Moss.
The last time the 49ers played 4 qtrs of solid offense was when Morgan was healthy… against Tampa. Since the Tampa game, the 49ers offense was never the same.
Only 26, Morgan was much better then his stats, and was due for a breakout year.
The 49ers are weaker at wide receiver now compared to 24 hours ago, but I won’t fret (too much). Lass year’s FA period seemed to have a bad start as we were losing key players left and right. But turned out very well in the end. Looks like the Balkie way… act slowly early in FA. Grab bargains later.
Moss’ deal has ZERO guaranteed money, so I can live with that. We are definitely going to get two or three more receivers via FA or the draft though.
Not when you consider washington paid him 6 mil per year for 2 yrs. Sorry, he’s not worth that much money. If they paid like 3-4 mil, then I could see the argument we should have tried for Morgan, but not that offer.
I’ve been waiting for someone to say that. Josh was overpaid. Especially for how our QB uses receivers. Look at Morgans best season. He’s gonna blow up next year. Because he’s not here. The league knows Morgan didn’t get the numbers he could have because of the QB. He catches the ball when it’s thrown to h. He blocks like no other.good luck Josh!
Haters gonna hate.
Jordo, you are so easy. Thanks for stopping by…
@Jordan I don’t think Morgan underperformed with the 49ers, nor was Smith a reason either. Smith and him had good chemistry and he was a safety valve for Smith, as he converted more 3rd downs for Smith, even more than Davis did I bet. Morgan did well because Smith was able to trust him.
Ok i know football. But who the heck is parish cox? Was he a good cb before he was let go? Did he have return tds? Ppl are talking like tgis is a carlos rodgers type signing. Could someone plz enlighten me on this guy. And if we really wanted a good replacement, Brandon Carr would have been a steal at cb. just my opinion
He was accused of raping a girl in a hotel, but both were drunk and he got off. Is only 25, but was a projected 1st rd pick that fell to the 5th rd. Could be a solid backup and PR/KR specialist.
Harbaugh sure didnt learn that from Al who never would have signed somebody who came so close to being locked up for woman abuse.
Well,thats the reputation. Cable seemed to get by now that I think of it.
Harbaugh has said he has no use for some one that puts his hands on a woman.
Agree. Maybe they “see something” in Cox? I hope the Niners nail down either Carr or Eric Wright.
Anyone else here expecting the next announced signing to be Terrell Owens to the Niners? Aaaaaaaaaaaghhh!
It’s now many hours later and the name is Brandon Lloyd…
DS, you tip-toed around my question. Show me where Crabtree has blamed others?
I didn’t tip toe anything.
It was on TV. MC blamed others for not giving him opportunities instead of making some for himself.
During the press conference on Monday, JH was asked about what MC said.
Hows RM attitude going to affect Crabs? Not the best role model for our young WR. We have a big challenge this year. Playing the big boys .
I thought the reason we didn’t add someone like Moss last year was because of the kind of players the 49ers were looking for. If were OK with this why not do it last year and win the darn super bowl. Its confusing to me.
@waterman
It was in the middle of the year.
By doing it now, all the players can meet RM in person and come to their own conclusions about the guy. If you do it mid-season, then that will distract the players having a new element who does not have the best reputation.
Also, if RM turns into a dud, then the Niners can dump him before the season and have paid him zilch. So, this offseason is a very long evaluation of RM’s attitude.
Of course, I am just a fan and have no idea.
The Niners are scheduled to work out big WR Chaz Schilens, according to Barrows. I wrote about that in the blog text above. If you’re interested please refer to it.
Must be something in the Raider locker room that causes highly paid players to catch foot problems. I would pass unless..he’s very cheap and last in line to be picked.
he’s probably cheap. Big guy. good blocker.
Glad to have you back, Grant. But, Schilens? Do you think Baalke will give Wallace a ring or is the draft the way they’ll go for that WR and let him sit behind Moss for a year?
Dominique Ziegler, come on down!
He’d come cheap. Thats right up our Gm’s Alley. what a joke
MD,
Are you kidding? What a joke? Come on, man. Didn’t you learn anything from last year’s FA period? You never admitted to slamming Baalke last year during free agency. Well, I guess we don’t need you to admit anything now, since you’re doing it again. After a 13-3 season and a trip to the NFC Championship Game! You are one funny dude.
Golfer when did I bash Baalke? And Im sure you the almighty saw a 13-3 record coming. Get real or get lost.
WHO?
Hey-did pork buns and gravy get banned..or did he take a vacation?
Hey Stannnzzz
Still around, just less so due to big-time dumpster fire.
Thx
Ima take a wild, wild, WILD stab in the dark here and say Peyton Manning visits the 9ers in the near future. I’m over analyzing the situation and just have a hunch “PM” (as he’s affectionately known ’round these parts) will see what the 9ers have to offer. Man, am I crazy or what?!?!
Yeah, but crazy in a good way. I’m hoping to hear the same thing…
It’s eerily quiet on the Alex Smith front as well…
You didn’t hear he signed with the Browns. Well that’s what the bloggers on NN said.
haha…not talking about AS the TE here :-)
It is, isn’t it?! I just have a gut feeling’bout this one. I’ll eat my words if not. But I don’t think anyone takes me serious, anyway :’(
Morgan just made it official… He is a hog head. Oh and for the ppl who will be broke up because of this, dont be. He has been here his whole career. What has he done? He was paid way more than what we offered. I cant say ill miss him because the only thing that stood out was his blocking. So was Arnaz Battles. Great blcker who showed signs evry now and then. Ill miss his blocking… hmmmmmm Hope all works well
Yeah Morgan didn’t do alot here, like no wr does cause he has pathetic alex smith throwing him the ball. Every other team knows sf wr’s numbers are tainted cause they have alex inaccurate smith throwing him the ball.
I think Moss is stopgap until we draft the next great 49er WR. We will try to do that this year. We will sign second tier guys to fill holes and draft our future stars.
Any guess as to which WR they could be targeting in the draft?
No because after the Aldon thing last year I was so mad I never even heard of him. Big and fast. Someone who separates.
Hill & Streeter
I agree Pork. They have size and speed. Plus they can be slowly inserted into the starting lineup.
Hmmmm. Thanks Mayo. OH n enjoyed the laugh. He got off huh. lol
I really hope he 49ers sign Eric Wright CB from the Lions he basically had the same stats as Carlos Rogers did and he’s only 26, so the 49ers could offer him a 5 year contract to play through his prime with the 49ers… IMO, he makes almost too much sense.
If they sign him, then the draft basically becomes a look for offensive players only just about…
When Baalke actually spends big money on a CB, I’ll believe it. Until then, I’m skeptical. It seems like he’s comfortable with bargains at that position.
Eric Wright allowed the 6th most yards for a corner in the NFL last season. Thats one reason the Browns and Lions have been so quick to part with him. Theres better corners out there.
Good bye Vincent Jackson. FU***************************
Vincent Jackson deal in Tampa: 5 yrs $55.55 million. Does that make the price too high for Wallace?
Who knows? The Steelers have to match. I dont think its going to be that much, plus we would lose a #1. Dont count on it. Looks like we got a cheap skate as a GM
Looks like our GM likes playing Beane ball.
Look where it got the A’s.
I know. Im an A’s fan =-(
Dude, it hasn’t even been 5 hours of FA yet. Loosen your seatbelt, this flight takes a few days.
Tuna……This was a WR thick free agency this year. A spot we need bad to carry our QB. And whats left? Wallace. This is a poor and cheap way the 49ers front office is going about it. period!!
@Ninermd
I’ll admit they hold their purse strings close. Also Wallace is the only FA difference maker left who we probably won’t spend for, and we don’t know who we can get draft day, but let’s see what they’ve got in mind before we think they’re blowing it.
I made that mistake last summer.
I just got a gut feeling there wont be a big splash. I hope Im wrong. Pitt doesnt have the money to match I wonder if they are at least interested. This dude from Oakland is a Joke. Moss isnt Smiths and the passing games savior. Yeah Im a little riled up. lol
Warriors to trade Ellis, udon and kwame brown for Andrew Bogut and Stephen Jackson? Oh my God. The warriors are sick. That’s just plain stupid!
Thats Warrior basketball. wheeew
Makes me proud to be Kings fan, lol!
Speaking of which, I’m off to the game! Goooo Kings!!!
49er girl. Boooooo GO LAKERS! You might see me with those Laker flags flying in Sac. I live in Natomas. WHEEEEW
Don’t get me started on the Lakers…I still have painful nightmares from 2001/2002.
Although seeing Rick Fox get punched by Doug Christie will always be a fond memory – one of my favorite Kings moments :-)
I put holes in my ceiling from the Horry shot, and Fox was jumped by Christies wife. NO FAIR. LOL
Jordan,
Where are you seeing that? You’re right, that would be a horrible trade. I would do that trade if Udoh was not involved.
Shefter broke it on Twitter..
Udoh I meant
I wish it was udon (noodles) and not Udoh.
Not really a bad trade..Warrior fans were fixated on the blockbuster propaganda. The NBA laughed at Monta for Howard or Paul.
Its a start. Its just more proof of how bad in quality the team really has been.
Look,Lacob kept RILEY..this trade has “As deep as I can think” of RILEYS all over it.
If the had a great GM..then-possibly a better trade. But Lacob kept the Nelson small ball enabler as GM.
They’re tanking the season in hopes of getting a high draft pick. They’re trading small for big. Now they have a very good front court – Lee and Bogut. The Warriors have never had a front court like that.
They shouldnt have had to give up Udoh too..
They are totally tanking. They lost their best defensive big(Udoh) and brought back an injury prone center who isn’t even playing now. Jackson for Monta is kind of a wash. We’ll see how they look shorthanded against the Kings. Hopefully their record is bad enough at the end of the season to get a top seven pick.
Dammit GRANT-that was my next post. They can lose…get a great pick..Its next year with a real team re built.
They could luck into Harrison Barnes from UNC in the draft, run out Curry/Thompson/Barnes/Lee/Bogut next season. Better than this year.
Jesus-the Warrior hope meter blipped. Cant remember the last time it did.
@Stan
You got your wish and got a little Warrior action on a Niner blog.
23J, where did you hear this?
If this is true the warriors just lost a fan of over 30 years, period!
The trade went down. Too bad they had to include Udoh, and I hope Curry and Bogut are healthy.
Curry
Thompson
Wright
Lee
Bogut
That’s not a bad starting lineup, but the bench is depleted
That should’ve been, I hope Curry and Bogut are healthy going forward.
Costanzo will not return to 49ers.. our ST has taken a big hit without him and TG
My guess is they viewed Spillman and Gooden as the essential players on the coverage unit.
HOLY CRAP!!! Just heard that McDonalds is bringin’ back the McRib!!!! For good!!!!!! I’m trying to confirm!! I’ll post the link when I do!!! WOW!!
LMAO!!!!!! Can he run routes and catch for the 9ers?
I don’t know about McDonalds, but I know the ‘King’ from Burger King can make some plays as a DB!
That is when he’s not creeping me out with his frozen smile stare. (lol).
(lol) El Guapo, classic!
The McRib is the Randy Moss of foods. You want it so badly, even though you know it’s no good for you. You break down and order it, it smells good and the first bite is delicious, but by the time you’re finished, you’re grossed out and completely disgusted with yourself for giving in to your worst impulses.
Yeah Golfer……..Great way to trust our GM and his decisions. Are you for real? What a joke!
MD,
That was a joke. I trust Baalke, unlike some who are calling it a joke that he hasn’t signed Wallace [who, by many reports, may end up going to end up back with the Steelers] yet.
Sure it was Golfer. 30 mill in cap space and they sign a reciever off the streets, and 2nd tier CB and are looking at a walking crutch from oakland? With your chants of get a deep threat reciever for Alex. Im suprised your not in shock. I hope they have something big up their sleeve, but after last year and so far this year, it doesnt look like thats Baalke’ MO.
And another thing. quit putting words in my mouth. The last time I was upset at the GM not getting a big name was when Peppers was on the market. And guess what. Baalke wasnt here. Dude you will never be a bigger fan than me. You are really out of your league against this die hard. Stick to your other guys to argue. Im just trying to get through this FA period. With no arguements. Ya Dig?
That is absolutely true! Hah!
MD,
You’re going to play the “I’m a bigger fan than you” card? What makes you think I care which one of us is the biggest fan?
MD,
When have I “chanted” for a deep threat? I’m not saying the 49ers couldn’t use one, but I don’t think I’ve chanted for one.
The only thing I chant for is world peace and to ward off posts by you, Bay and Jordan. Before you go getting all bent out of shape, that was a joke, too.
MM- Costanzo won’t be back, team looking for special team players that play positions—-Bummer.
Hence Gooden over Costanzo. Gooden can backup the inside linebacker spots.
Looks like Buffalo is going to sign Meachem.
Grant- Schilens to visit 49ers. What is his height and is he a deep threat.
6-4, 225 lbs., runs a 4.4, no ball skills. Never cared much for him as a player.
you forgot injury prone.
Thanx Grant, just talked to my friend he’s a Raider fan, and he said the same thing but that he was playing pretty good before he got injured and didnt look the same after it.
He’s usually injured.
Dropped balls are drive killers. Big possession receivers have to have great hands.
Stephen Hill is big and faster. I hope he drops to #30. I also like Fleener if Hill is gone.
Youtubes of Hill show speed, toughness and circus catches in traffic, but he also had clean drops of sure TDs with no one near him. Is that correctable?
Grant Cohn says:
March 13, 2012 at 5:54 pm
“They’re tanking the season in hopes of getting a high draft pick. They’re trading small for big. Now they have a very good front court – Lee and Bogut. The Warriors have never had a front court like that.”
Bogut’ injury history scares me more than the Randy Moss experiment (didn’t want to deviate to far from football). Curry’ persistent ankle injuries also gives me pause. Monta has been at the center of trade talks for a while, but trading him for the oft injured Bogut makes no sense. And if they’re throwing in Udoh as well (especially for Stephen Jackson), I would have to agree with, they are ‘tanking’ the season.
Bogut isn’t injury prone – no bad knees or bad feet like Greg Oden – he’s just had freak injuries happen to his elbow and ankle. When he’s healthy he’s a world class defender who can board and score in the post.
Andrew Bogut:
“It’s a frustrating injury because you don’t know the extent of it,” said Bogut, who will have another ankle scan in two or three weeks. “If we made the playoffs, I would like to be back.
“But at the same time, with these injuries you have to be 100%. You come back at 80%, then you have an Achilles’ problem or a calf problem. As opposed to the elbow, where I knew I wasn’t coming back 100%.
Not a ringing endorsement, but if he can be what you described perhaps he could be a good fit. Another run with Stephen Jackson makes my stomach turn.
They should shut down Curry and Bogut and pray they heal for next season. Still, that’s a tough spot to be in.
Like your take, You are actually being soothing!
As a Laker fan I would love to trade for Monta, and one of your bigs in exchange for Pau.
But Monta doesnt play defense Priest. Lakers are probably going to wait till next year to get that point. This year doesnt count anyways. IMO * LOL
2 first round picks and a strong draft.
*agree with you*
Makes sense that Josh Morgan left because, he wasn’t going to go up against Randy Moss for a Jersey Number Dispute…
I would love for us to draft Marvin Jones.
He’s solid. good middle round choice. I’d like to see them draft Doug Martin from Boise. Huge upgrade over Dixon+future bell-cow.
Marvin Jones will be gone in the second round, third at the latest.
Do you think Balke and Harbaugh are on pins and needle’s regarding Alex Smith. My guess is that they are already on Plan B, Alex is probably going to have to wait till Peyton Manning chooses a team, and see if anyone is desperate. If he does leave it will take him a few more years before he learns another playbook, by that time another head coach will be fired along with 3 offensive coordinators.
It seems to be taking longer than expected. Maybe something is going on.
AS is probably shaking his head like the rest of us trying to figure out what kind of receiving corps he will have after JMorg leaves and the long in the tooth RM was signed. They must have their eye on one WR in the 1st round and will move up to grab him.
The only WR they should be ‘eyeing’ is Kendall Wright who may be available any place between the 15th thru 21st pick. Hofe, I want the ‘moon’ (well, figuratively at least) which would M.Wallace, but I agree with you that he would come at a ‘groundshaking’ price.
Washington over paid for Morgan, guarantee 7.5 million, 12 million dollar contract. Good for the Niners that they didnot over pay for Morgan. He is a dime a dozen
AES, KWright was slow (4.61) at the combine but his pro day number should be better. He’s not the big WR we need but I guess he’ll have to do.
Bill Barnwell said the 49ers and Alex are $4 million per year apart but he didn’t cite any sources, so take it for what it’s worth. It’s the only thing I’ve heard anywhere that mentioned details.
MSC, who the hell is BBarnwell?
Barnwell writes for Football Outsiders and ESPN.
Article here: http://www.grantland.com/blog/the-triangle/post/_/id/20119/free-agent-countdown-teams-that-should-empty-their-wallets
Thanks MSC. I read quite a bit of what is out there, but not them/him.
I wonder how the Alex Smith sweepstakes is going ? Alex please don’t call home.
Do you really think the 49ers were going to pay a WR who just broke his leg anything close to 6M a year?
Hated to see Morgan go, but 6M (7.5 guaranteed) per year is alot.
With all that cap room who will the 49ers go after in FA?
Finnegan to the Rams 5 years/50 mill. Doubt we sign Carr now.
No way. Back loaded I hope.
That may help us keep Carlos though. The Rams were rumored to be one of his biggest suiters.
True that Priest.
Called it.
MD,
Are you kidding? What a joke? Come on, man. Didn’t you learn anything from last year’s FA period? You never admitted to slamming Baalke last year during free agency. Well, I guess we don’t need you to admit anything now, since you’re doing it again. After a 13-3 season and a trip to the NFC Championship Game! You are one funny dude- by Ex Golfer………………………………This what this clown had to come in and say to me.Then———————————————————->
The McRib is the Randy Moss of foods. You want it so badly, even though you know it’s no good for you. You break down and order it, it smells good and the first bite is delicious, but by the time you’re finished, you’re grossed out and completely disgusted with yourself for giving in to your worst impulses-Exgolfer
Then he comes out with this nugget. Yep Sounds like full trust in our GM.
Had to smack you in front of the classroom Golfer. Your pathetic. Wrong one to start some $hit with.. WOW!
MD,
The McRib post was just a joke, take it easy.
You’re the one who is complaining that Baalke is cheap and not signing anyone. You were ripping Baalke last year for not signing any of the top FA’s. You won’t find any posts from me saying anything like that, ever.
Oh snap!! My intentions were not to start a feud. Sorry fella’s. However, Exgolfer, your joke was pretty funny, I hafta admit, lol!!
MD, it was more a parody of this process having all of the *fans* on the edge of their seats trying to figure out what the 9er plan is since we are on the outside. I didn’t see it as a put down and I found it humorous since we all take this so seriously.
Thanks, Hofe.
Grant…… Do you think the 49ers arent going big in FA because of the Smith “holdout?” Could this be a problem for them getting a reciever right now? Just wondering if not having a qb this moment is slowing things down.
The Niners are checking at the poker table. They want to see more cards before they push their chips. They’re being patient for patience sake.
It also helps that this is limit poker, and we have quite a few chips left.
Nice. My friend said the same thing. Yeah Im a little more crazy and the, “get it done now type.” Patience has never been a strong quality of mine. =-)
Grant, sounds like a rerun of last year. I remember several days of hand wringing over losing Franklyn, missing out on Namdi and not re-signing Goldson right away. It all turned out pretty well.
Seems to be the Trent Baalke way…
1) Make moderate contract offers early but avoid bidding wars. (Also helps increase slightly the prices rivals have to pay signed players)
2) Get value later
My question is… does Baalke’s gift for spotting underpaid defensive talent translate to receivers? With a sport so talent diverse as football, one would think scouting abilities would be more position specific.
You’re exactly right B2W.
I’m actually sort of surprised Baalke has made this many moves so fast.
According to Schefter Wayne re-signed with colts. 3 year deal
What an idiot. lol Hey maybe he believes he’ll get “Luck”y.
heard only one team has contacted nicks…..
who is that team
Tampa
Tampa just signed V. Jackson, I doubt they’ll go after Nicks as well.
Why not Nick? They have plenty of cap space to get anyone they want. If they want Nicks, they can easily out pay anyone for him. That is why the Cowboys decided to bring in Grubbs instead of Nicks. They heard Bucs were really interested and once they got hit with that $10 mil cap from the league, Cowboys went with a cheaper option.
I thought TB and JH wanted to keep this team together. So far we have lost Morgan,Castanzo,maybe gonna loose Rogers and possibly more.
Well at least we signed Moss and some backups.
Any word on other free agents such as Ginn, Snyder?
I would like to see Ginn and Snyder signed, even if they are not starters.
Ginn has value on special teams. Snyder because he is versatile. He can play center and guard. He pass blocks better then Chilo. (OK, parking meters are more nimble then Chilo, but you know what I mean)
They kept the most important part of the team together. All 11 starters on defense returning. The D will carry whatever Baalke patches together on offense.
MSC,
All 11 defensive starters? Rogers signed? I missed that.
@Grant
What’s going on with Alex Smith?
We have been asking that for 7 years Nick . :)
Just for you Tim we’ll “free TSmith”! LOL
Hof,I think it was MM that had a tweet today that another team had signed Alex Smith…the TE ! He couldn’t resist !
OUR Alex will sign soon !
…Who is TSmith ? (we have had soooo many Smiths on the team I thought they were going to change the name to “The Santa Clara Smiths”.
Meant “Free NDavis” lol
Nate was already set free…from the NFL . :) Nice kid though !
Tim, admit you’re still following his career he was your favorite here. lol At least you are loyal. lol
You seem to know more about Nate than I do Hof,lol. Is he even trying out for the Arena League ? But in college he was a great player ! Too bad he couldn’t absorb an NFL playbook,he would have been at least a great backup ! He was a leader and carried Ball State on his shoulders. Great arm and a very good scrambler and a big kid who didn’t go down easily and made things happen when the called play broke down. And he was a very nice kid,like alex. Sad he had that learning disability :( .
Tim, not the point and you know it, but could way to deflect and divert your 100s+ previous comments!
You had a point ??? All I ever said about Nate Davis was that he was a more naturally talented QB than Alex. I also said that there are no guarantees and that he would have to prove himself on the field in the NFL. Then when he couldn’t handle the playbook and had a few other issues I said it was too bad that he had to go but it was the right thing to let him go because he couldn’t handle the playbook.
I never got YOUR point ?
…You are one weird guy Hof. I try to be friendly with you but you have some sort of chip on your shoulder .Get over it and join in the adult football talk and get off your high horse and obsession with what you imagined I once thought about Nate the Great.
…Why not just TRY to be happy for a change and be friendly with other fans of OUR team ??? If you feel you must snipe then why not just kick your dog or something to release your hatred and then come back on the site and be friendly with the other fans?
After all the backhanded comments, you want to be *adult*? But I’ll let bygones be bygones until your next snarky comment. lol
TIM,
Knock it off. You’re trying to rewrite history while people still remember what you wrote and how hysterically you wrote it.
Why are you guys talking about old stuff?
…NOW,if YOU will drop the snide remarks ,we can get back to football and free agency. That way we can enjoy the site as it was meant to be enjoyed.
Thank You !
Oh great, Claude has to get his 2 cents worth of hatred in. Now you made your day. Hope you are happy !
What some people do when they are hiding behind a keyboard. Pathetic .
Yes, TIM, that is what you are.
I love you Claude,I love you Hofer !!! Now can you quit ? Do your Mommas know you act like this on the internet ? lol
Football,remember that ? If you want to get therapy then go to a shrink,not a football site.
Tim, everyone knows your MO. Now on to your next blog…
Kiss Kiss ! Now do you feel better ?
What do you two think about Rodgers or Moss or even Alex,or is football something you know nothing about and that is why you feel you must lie and attack other fans with your nonsense ?
Come on fellas,I try to be nice tyo you and all you want to do is attack? Sad !
Good night,feel free to lie about me and others some more when I leave. If it makes you feel like you are not inferior.
Good night friends !
Tim, relax.
GC, because it is Tim. He is notorious here for years posting backhanded comments and saying outlandish things that only he can add. He is known as the cut and paste hit and run blogger – you’ll see his comments (usually multiple times) at all of the 9er blogs.
I don’t know about all that, but he’s being polite enough tonight.
Come on hof/claude
There was no fight there. No insults started.
Take Tim’s advice and skip his stuff if he has done enough to piss you off. I’m not going te tell you that you have no right to feel as you do. Just don’t start fight when there was no fight to be had.
If you find yourselves doing that with Tim, then you two don’t mesh. Cool. Skip his posts. Problem solved.
The Moss contract is incentive laden and could be worth as much as $4million, but there’s no guaranteed money. The cap hit is $1.75 million
http://blogs.nfl.com/2012/03/13/moss-contract-with-49ers-has-no-guaranteed-money/?module=HP11_headline_stack
CB Carlos Rogers about to re-sign with SF. Deal will avg about $7.3 mill per year Jason Cole tweeted this
Beaten to it haha. Glad to see us hes coming back.
Me too. I wish I could be in the room with TB and JH just to listen to what their plans are you know.
If no big moves in FA…..Keeping our own is just as good. Im happy if he does. Next..Rachel? lol
If accurate, that’s great news
Knew he was coming back when the Rams signed CF at CB.
JasonColeYahoo: CB Carlos Rogers about to re-sign with SF. Deal will avg about $7.3 mill per year
So stoked… Now, the 49ers are just about completely set on the defensive side of the ball… Next up is running back, wide receiver, and right guard…
Fantastic! Hope it’s true. The defense would be intact! Also hope its a shorter then 5 year contract, or incentive weighted.
TKamb, good to hear. It has to be 9er (TB) friendly. It will be interesting to understand the details.
My question is who will cost more: Flynn or Smith? I still believe Smith hasn’t signed yet because he wants to see what weapons will be available to him here. If Moss can’t cut it, then the team still has the same problem it did last year.
Mid, same as last year. KKolb was overpaid on a limited amount of work and now their ready to kick him to the curb. So yes, MFlynn will get more money based on *two* games. Good luck to them!
Great news about Rodgers ! MM was saying all day today that Rodgers was not coming back .
Your right he was saying that all day. I wonder if the Niners are still gonna go after Wright?
Maybe the reports that said the Niners were interested in Wright prompted Rogers to take the deal.
You could very well be right on that Grant.
If Rogers signs, the first day of FA is grading out well despite losing Morgan (I agree, 6M per year is a bit much for Morgan).
If Rogers signs, the Niners have no more money left for wide receivers in free agency and they’ll have to go to the bargain bin to pick from guys like Chaz Schilens.
Waaaay too much for Morgan.
Great that Rogers is coming back.
Or they go bargin bin and draft – which is a bit more likely. There is more value for WR in draft than free agency.
That’s probably what they’ll do. They could draft Kendall Wright in the first round and Marvin Jones in the second.
Grant, that’s assuming they really, really want to sign Alex Smither Smith.
It *seems* they spend the lion share of the budget (cap) on the defense. It will be interesting how the next several weeks play out before the draft. They need a WR and RB on offense. Hmm.
@Hoferfan67:
I would expect Baalke to target both positions in the draft. Further to what Lemonpie89 wrote, there’s probably more value for both WRs and RBs in the draft.
They also need a RG. I question whether Kilgore is ready to assume a starting role yet.
Exactly Claude. I can’t imagine them not addressing the RBs and god forbid FG goes down and it is the WR situation all over again in the playoffs. They need those areas addressed ASAP. BTW, I’m not disappointed with the signings for the defense but the offense needs help as well.
Grant
Can you please reveal the identity of the loser who has no life if he is a double poster.
Morgan is getting $6 million over two years, not per year. That was a fair deal and we had the cap room to make it happen. Disappointing
He’s guaranteed 7.5 mill and can make up to 12 mill in the first two years. It’s a lot but I agree I would have liked to have seen him come back. Thing is he might have already decided he wanted to go back home.
It’s clear that contrary to media expectations, the Niners were not all that interested in Morgan or Costanzo as they hardly pursued them. No need to panic after only the first day of free agency.
Grant:
How many years for Rodgers ?
4 year 31.3 max. So glad to hear that
Same here. At Rogers age a 4 year deal makes more sense.
Management wasn’t going to let Rogers walk. The probably saved a few pennies by waiting till today.
$7.3 is WAYYYYYYY TOO MUCH FOR CARLOS CHUMPY ROGERS
The team must think different.
I think different.
LOSERS STEAL ID’S. Wuss. See cliff. Jump. Then you will be in a happy place.
Grant……Any looks at Bush from Oakland? I think he’d be a great fit for this team. I see Gore slowing down some, and Bush is a spitting image and the power back we need to back up Gore or take over if he goes down.
Bush wants to be a strater
Thx for the knowledge. I havent heard his name linked to anyone. Be a good fit though
i also like Bush. he could be the starter in SF. remember throw the ball out on the field and may the best player win. i keep hearing Harbaugh and Baalke say that they are always trying to get better at each position. Gore only has about a good yr or 2 left b/c u can clearly see over the past 2 seasons that he is starting to slow down. Dixon and Hunter clearly are the future.
Dixon and Hunter are NOT the future
Dixon? The future? You really think so?
Never mind.
Rogers signs a 4 year deal worth a maximum of 31 million…
VERRY HAPPY! About this one. He belongs here.
They realized they would have to pay more for BCarr.
Official Blake Costanzo to Chicago
Not an earth shattering loss, but I will miss the name “Blake Costanzo” as it has a certain ring to it.
Good luck to Blake “the guy from Jersey” Costanzo. Live!
Could they afford a receiver like Early Doucet? He’s 6′ 211lbs, faster and better than Schillens! He had 54 receptions last year as a third WR in AZ and they had no QB.
grant
I.thought.the.niners had20+mil in capspace??how can they.not have enough.space for a decent.WR
I was wondering the same thing….plus we get a little more because of what Dallas and Washington lose.
I believe even after this deal, they should probably have like 13-14 mil left in cap space. Also, if they release Spencer, they would gain 3.3 mil to spend as well, and I think they will now that they are pretty set at CB.
Shouldve signed Carr 5 years $31 M
Rogers old old old
Smither Smith probly gettin the Brinx truck too
Baalke just went all weak-kneed
Get a life of your own loser
lol
The big cash is being thrown as receivers, cornerbacks, pass rushers (and likely quarterbacks when Manning signs). Yup… the NFL is definitely a passing league.
ROOOGEEERRRRSS!!! Gonna be a tight secondary! Especially if Cully makes strides. A couple changes to come: Spencer (gone) & Reggie Smith (gone). This will give us a few more million $$ toward the Cap. However, anymore FA moves will involve trades (probably for picks). But then again….who know’s what will happen.
@NinersRoc:
Discount double coverage?
Yes! I wasn’t sure if anyone would get it!
Rogers is back way too much money but hell it is not mine
Veteran cornerback Carlos Rogers, who tied for the 49ers lead with six interceptions last season, will re-sign with San Francisco on a four-year deal for approximately $30 million, Yahoo! Sports reported. The deal will average $7.3 million annually.
Finnegan just got a 5 year 50 mill deal from the Rams. Rogers at 4 years and 30 is fine with me. Good deal on a pretty good CB as far as I’m concerned.
Well HarBaalke achieved their goal of keeping the band together…on defense anyway. All 11 starters will be back next year. That is huge. Great job.
He might be only good for two more years, before age kicks in. better then Nate Clemmons that was a waste of money.
“It’s looking more and more like the Niners plan on starting Moss, which would be a very risky move, or they plan on picking a starter – Joshua Morgan’s replacement – in the draft.”
I had to copy and paste that and reread it again to make sure I was reading that right! Are you kidding me? We sign Moss to an incentive laden deal, a probowl incentive, a playing time incentive, and you actually dont think he will start? Risky? I just can’t even believe I’m reading this. The report from the Saints workout with Moss was “OFF THE CHARTS”. There isn’t anyone that has grown to hate Moss over the years more than me, but for the love of all that is Holy! What are we gonna do with him then? This man is going to be obsessed. We just gonna put him in when we get to the Red Zone? Just stick him in there when its time to go deep and just stick a big sign up that advertises this? Holy Cow! This man on the field is gonna have to make defenses think. No more stacked boxes to stop Gore! Who do you double team? VD? Moss? The possibilities are endless. If we draft Fleener, we are going to be very difficult to defend. Am I the only one seeing this? Please tell me no!!! Oh ya, How in the hell is he gonna make the probowl if not a starter.
If you want to see the bad side of Moss then go ahead and not start him. Go ahead and limit his playing time. Yep, then we just signed a cancer. This isn’t going to be the Moss you saw in Tennessee. I still cant believe I read that!
Montana, hear what you are saying but based on history both playing and personality, of course it is risky.
Outrage aside, what percentage of the snaps do you expect Moss to play in 2012? I’d be surprised if he ended up playing more than 50 percent of the snaps. He’s old, he doesn’t block and he runs two routes – the go and the slant. He has arthritic knees. He doesn’t run full speed in practice to preserve them.
@MontanaMan:
Please allow me to play Devil’s advocate for a moment. If Moss’ workout with the Saints was truly “OFF THE CHARTS,” why didn’t the Saints offer him a contract, especially a modest incentive-laden contract?
The 49ers did not sign 2007 Randy Moss. They signed 2011 Randy Moss. Let’s not get ahead of ourselves.
The 2011 RMoss that didn’t play in 2011.
Sorry, I meant the 2012 Randy Moss.
Thanks Hoferfan67
I definitely think he will start. I believe he has something to prove. I believe he still runs in the 4.3 to 4.4 range. I do belive there will be packages that he wont be out there in. And I believe there will be packages that he will be the only wr out there. I’ve never really tracked percentages of anyones time but I would guess 70%. And I believe that some people are gonna be surprised at his youth. Just a feeling!
Do you think the Niners receiving corps is better today than it was a couple days ago?
Grant that question is a joke, right? Moss is the most talented WR ever to play in the NFL. Bet you Harbaugh knows how to keep him happy.
“Do you think the Niners receiving corps is better today than it was a couple days ago?”
Grant, to date, that is a big NO!
Grant, you only take the Bentley out on weekends.
@ Grant
Oh definitely! Don’t you?
No, Morgan is a young, up-and-coming every down flanker. Moss is an old specialty player. You can only use him in certain packages and situations.
A couple days ago we had Crabs and Williams under contract. Now we added Moss. Did I miss someone? If you believe we got the Moss we last seen then we didn’t. If we got a motivated Moss with a chip on his shoulder then we improved vastly. I think the latter!
A couple of days ago Morgan was still technically a 49er.
I bummed we lost Morgan but we didn’t really have him.
Alright, I’ll give you that.
Hey moron DSL
I don’t have DSL.
Jump off a bridge. Nobody cares about you.
@Claude. I believe a workout is a 2 way interview. We may never know if they made an offer. In a workout the player is also interviewing the team. Maybe Moss wasn’t impressed with the whole bounty thing! I don’t think he was desperate enough to jump on the 1st team calling. Instead, used the workout as publicity for other suitors!
Montana, you are one rev up dude.
It just caught me off gaurd!!! Hmmmmmmm. Ok I’m settled down!
Lets not forget we need WR’s and our starting QB has not signed
I understand we need depth at wr but how many times do we go with 3 wr sets. maybe more in the future and injuries may have dictated that but did anyone see the Moss signing and there first thought was he’d come off the bench?
In the words of the GREAT Michael Crabtree…
“who’s the starting QB?”
Really?
Sorry, i was late getting to the party? Kinda stunned reading that. Great news on Rodgers. I wonder if he’ll start!
LOL !
there’s more movement and volatility than i would have guessed (Morgan, Moss, Castanzo, etc), but the first of my must do/let’s-see-the-forest-from-the-trees moves seems to be happening when many thought it was a lost cause: Carlos Rogers.
good cornerbacks, as it turns out, really are worth their weight in gold…actually, a couple mil more per annum.
next up: impact player at WR, and young talent at G and RB. then they better hide that SB trophy cause we’re comin to get it.
I think I’ve figured out the Moss-Cox plan.
If Moss acts up in the locker room Cox will slip him a roofie.
hilarious…maybe slip Alex a shot of Jack on the occasional 3rd down? :-)
Or beat him with a stick.
PS. Nice feint on Eric Wright, Mr Baalke. I’m sure you were sincere – you dont know CR is coming back until he signs…but it worked.
If the Niners can give Rogers most of his bonus in ’12, his cap number could be low and Baalke could still conceivably make a run at Mike Wallace.
Interesting! I think Baalke has a plan this year that is similar in last year in value shopping, but I think he’s being more aggressive early (smart though) because he’s going to make a big move somewhere. So you might be right about Mike Wallace. However, that would be pretty interesting because we still have Crabtree. At that rate K-Dub will ZERO playing time and there will be an odd man out between the top three. Of course, we’re all watching!
I’m expecting Kyle Williams to be an odd man out when the Niners finally cut down to a 53-man roster in the summer, but I could be wrong.
That would be the likely situation, but there’s no way we could pay Crabtree that kind of money as a #2 (and certainly not a #3). That would also be putting a lot of faith in a return guy that didn’t play ball last year (I guess the same argument could be made about Moss).
with cox in the fold may be correct about KW
That would be great!!!
What would you estimate our Cap will be after signing Moss, Rogers and assuming Smith signs at 8-10 million?
Hard to tell – we have to wait and see how Rogers’ contract is structured. They could do it in a way where his cap number for 12 is low, maybe around $2 mil. Maybe they could do the same with Smith. Then cut Spencer. They could make a lot more cap space.
WOuldn’t back loading all our contracts essentially screw us in a couple years? Or would we just restructure later
The salary cap drastically grows in two seasons I believe, so there’s not too much to worry about.
In a couple of years the cap goes up a fair chunk. The new TV deals kick in and they’re reported to be 60% higher than the current deals.
I need to refresh the page more often.
O nice. That would be good for them to do that. But i have a feeling we will pick up a middle of the pack WR FA the draft another WR.
The Raven’s would be happy if we signed Wallace out of their division. They would also be happy if 49er interest in Wallace forced Pittsburgh to re-sign Wallace to a higher contract.
Re your earlier question… I think the 49ers are weaker at wide receiver then they were 48 hours ago. Still, 6M a year is steep so I can see why they let him go.
I’m hoping Hill falls to #30 (though unlikely) or Fleener. Fleener at TE does not fill the position need, but he fills a performance needs like 3rd down and red zone receiving.
If wallace doesn’t sign his tender couldn’t he be signed by a team after the draft for next years pick?
the rogers signing did surprise me a bit….how much cap is left (10 mill now?)….and how much cap do the niners need to set aside for the draft….
still need a rcvr or two and RB and LG ….
although moss is here the offense has not really gotten dangerous……IMO
Yep! I thought Rodgers was a gonner. I do agree with Grant tho on this one.( I think he said it) He caught wind of the 9ers looking at that other corner and jumped.
And just maybe C.Rodgers got on board because of the Randy Moss signing? Not only will Rodgers be practicing against Moss (what a challenge!) but if he seriously wants a SB ring, I can’t think of a better team with a better chance of delivering then the 49ers.
The Warriors-just as good -if not better- without Monta..I knew it!..dang they are going to blow the draft pick when Stack Jack joins…
The Bucks will soon see a one trick pony…
MTII reports they want to trade Stack Jack again before the deadline.
beating the kings is going to affect their draft pick negatively…..can they hold on to their pick or will utah get it
My fears realized Grant-this might be a better team without Monta..and if Jackson joins..goodbye suck for seven.
If you read John Hollinger, the +/- numbers say the Warriors are better off playing without Ellis anyways. When Curry was playing and Ellis was on the bench, Warriors were positive in all 3 of the previous years. Vice versa, it is all negative points for the past 3 years. Just something to think about.
Grant,
So what kind of game is Alex and his Agent playing? Does Smith really think the Niners are going to adjust their offer? They’ve not done so for anyone else. Why would they do it for him?? With every day that passes, it becomes more interesting. Time to make that call to Josh Johnson. See if he’s ready to be a Niner. So these cats that don’t know your skills in this offense can see
Your work. After all, iron sharpens iron right?
I think Smith wants to wait until Manning and Flynn sign so that he’s the best QB left on the market, and at that point something could happen in his favor. That’s my best guess.
You mean in the Niner favor.
At this point, even Chad Henne, Jason Campbell, and Kyle Orton appear more highly rated than Alex Smith. Teams like Seattle, Jets, Jags, Bears, Cowboys, Redskins have shown interest in one or more of these guys. Alex is no sniffing any actio. I say the Niners should tighten the pressure by talking with Flynn, PM, and J. Johnson.
Appear using what criteria?
You are desperate Nick. Give it up. None of those QB’s you mentioned made the playoffs and scored 6TDs and threw 0 Int.
And none of those guys will be back in the playoffs leading their team to their 6th Lombardi trophy. AS will
DS
The point I’m making is there’s little interest around the league for Alex. The Niner FO is smart to realize that and proceed with negotiations accordingly.
Or Nick.
Perhaps the other teams are not trying because they know AS is not interested. If AS really entered the FA market, he would easily be the second best QB available, and the best one to get if you plan on having that QB be around for more than 2-3 years.
josh just got vincent jackson….he is in heaven
also i am of the opinion just like last year when AS and JH had a gentleman’s agreement to sign and AS is allowing the team to do its business cap wise …. so AS’s 3yr contract is structured properly…
Could be.
jgwindsor,
If we don’t start hearing rumors attaching Smith’s name to other teams as possible destinations, I would put a lot of stock in your theory.
@ex
That theory has been owned by many bloggers here.
Even tho we tagged Goldson, Other teams can make him offers right? If so, we have to be ready capwise to make a move there dont we? Whats happening there?
If another team signed Goldson, it would have to give two first round picks to the 49ers. That’ll never happen, but if it did, I don’t think the 49ers would be upset.
I thought I read that and I was wondering about them 1st rounders. That would be 3 1st rounders this year? Or how would that work?
for two 1st round picks the other team has to give up i think
Ya, that’ll never happen!
Goldson is not worth more than his tag salary. He’s good, but I don’t think any team is that stupid to pay 7mil+ TWO 1st rounders.
The other team would have to give the 49ers two 1st round draft picks.
I’ll take 2 #1′s for Goldson.
That would be right up there with the Redskins and RGIII. Rams are laughing.
I still can’t beleive Ann Killion just sold out on Cox..shame. The pressure to make Comcast happy cant be that great,Ann.
imagined what she may have said if brandon marshall had come here for 2 3rd round picks after his NY club alledged altercation…..
hmmm nicks, nicks, nicks
what is the interest in brandon loyld….c\
He says he wants to play for the Patriots.
Raiders free agent WR Chaz Schilens is visiting 49ers, and Rams free agent WR Brandon Lloyd also is expected to visit San Francisco
I’m idly wondering whether having Goodwin here is any help in attracting Nicks (assuming TB would be willing to go that way). I think Nicks would help the Offense as much as Wallace would. If we lose Rachal AND Snyder then those youngsters better be ready to step up.
Nicks wants to be the highest paid guard in the NFL.
Might be right. Trent’s looking more like a Wal-Mart or Target guy today than Neiman-Marcus.
He’s not shopping with my wife, I can assure you!
Nah Brotha, Baalke waits until the initial rush is over and then goes to the Neiman Marcus outlet store to grab the good stuff other folks missed.
I like this metaphor. Randy Moss is the outlet for the Nieman Marcus outlet.
yep 9-10 milll is a lot was kind of hoping the market would come down on him…but he is the beast
Maiocco threw out Mike McGlynn as a possible free agent guard pickup.
@Clemons
He did well with that last year. It was weird then with FA after draft. Trying to readjust for this season…….
mcglynn…a work in progress…..
What about Ben Grubbs? He’d be worth exploring.
Definitely worth exploring.
I’m all in on Nicks, he’ll get top dollar, but if there’s a bidding war the Niners probably won’t go there. The top unsigned free agents left are Snyder and Ginn. Snyder should get a decent deal from someone. I don’t think the Niners match. Ginn is another matter, I can’t remember a better 49er return man. He has that rare ability to make the fans hold their breath whenever he returns a kick-off or punt. He seems to be injury prone, that’s his only drawback. The Niners can keep him, I hope they do.
ginn…yep he was key in determining field position advantages
I think Cox is replacing Ginn as the KR/PR. If you look at his college stats, he was a prolific returner there.
Was Costanzo a good interview? He seems like a decent guy.
Absolutely. He seemed like a real normal, cool guy. He paid for his own college education, and he spoke with a New Jersey accent.
It’s sad he won’t be back next year. Morgan, too. He was really decent.
Is MC a good interview Grant?
When he wants to be, usually after games.
Came in like a lion, going out like a lamb. 3:30 comes early. Later!
@montanaMan
3:30? Are you a rancher, farmer, or trucker?
Tell me mañana….
Warriors..proving that anybody a “scorer” who isnt Kobe or MJ, isnt a team player.
Ask Jeremy about Carmelo….
What about Durant?
Good night!
I don’t know what you can “prove” against the kings.
Randy Moss career stats
Year Team Games Rec. Yards TD
1998 Vikings 16 69 1,313 17*
1999 Vikings 16 80 1,413 11
2000 Vikings 16 77 1,437 15*
2001 Vikings 16 82 1,233 10
2002 Vikings 16 106 1,347 7
2003 Vikings 16 111 1,632 17*
2004 Vikings 13 49 767 13
2005 Raiders 16 60 1,005 8
2006 Raiders 13 42 553 3
2007 Patriots 16 98 1,493 23*
2008 Patriots 16 69 1,008 11
2009 Patriots 16 83 1,264 13*
2010 NE/Ten/Min 16 28 393 5
This guy is good!
Notice a pattern here? Moss played almost every game of his entire career with the exception of 6 games. Good stuff, plus a year off could benefit his slightly older body…
If he could put up those kind of numbers for 6 or 7 more years he could come near #80. I’m hoping he has a huge chip on his shoulder because of the remarks by Chris Carter.
His worse year is better than MC’s worse.
And his best year, he has 11 more TD’s than MC has in his 3 year career.
The guy can make impact plays. Just have to hope he can be a hard worker and block. Our WR’s need to do that. RM never has.
DS, saying of Moss that “His worse year is better than MC’s worse” is false unless you are only looking at TD’s, and even with that MC played 2 fewer games.
Crabtree’s worst season was his rookie year, and his line was:
11games 48rec 625yards and 2TDs
Moss has been terrific at getting the ball into the end zone throughout his career. I just hope that he can still get it done.
Yes Jack
TDs are the thing that matter more than yards.
And MC only played fewer games because he wanted more money out of college and skipped 4 regular season games. While I was getting all hyped about seeing the best college WR of all time, he was relaxing on his lazy bed sofa choosing scoffing at a contract that would make him millions of dollars.
Get the story straight Jack. There was a reason why MC didn’t play in his rookie year. An objective observer would have noted the reason.
DS, Given that he was playing in NFL regular season games only 2 weeks after signing I doubt that he was sitting on his lazy boy sofa.
Your lack of college football knowledge got you with this one. Anyone who watched Crabtree play at Tech should have realized that he was more of an underneath catch and run threat than over the top receiver. He benefitted greatly in college fom the gimmick Tech offense which over inflated his numbers.
On another note, Wallace would be a tough get because they are quickly running out of cap space, and if they re-sign Smith I would venture to guess that Wallace is off their radar.
@Jack
Did MC receive the highest honor that can be bestowed onto a WR in the whole of college football? Twice?
If AS won any equivalent QB award, I was not aware of it. And if he did, I doubt he won it twice. If you are wondering why I am harder on MC than AS, that is one reason.
So, in my view, MC had the tools and talent to come out and be something truly special. I mean JR and RM didn’t win the award twice, did they? They were great college WR’s and became great NFL WR’s.
And, if you drafted a guy in the top 10, you would get him out there pretty quick yourself. At least I would. Over $30 million for this guy, and you are going wait to see what he can do. And in some ways, MC was better in his rookie year than he has been since. Maybe its my memory playing tricks on me, but I think he actually got open a lot more that year than he has in the two years since combined.
You could very well be right Jack about me being fooled by MC’s college career (I actually never watched it, just heard about it from the “experts” at ESPN). That wouldn’t be a hard thing to do since I don’t know college football at all. But, I find it very disturbing that the NCAA or media or whomever votes for the best WR in college football could be so wrong twice with the same guy.
Yes he did DS, and Tim Tebow won the Heisman too. They both played in gimmicky offenses that helped build up their stats, and unfortunately the awards in college football are mostly based on stats, how else would RGIII win the Heisman over Luck this year?
Crabtree has the tools, but the hold out and foot injuries have slowed his progress. With a full offseason and other weopons around him this might just be his breakout year.
Those “experts” at ESPN are nothing but talking heads who people give credit to as talent evaluators based on their playing careers. How did that work out for Detroit when Millen was the GM?
@Jack
Just to be clear, I never cared for the talking heads at ESPN. But, when they are the main source of information, and they cover the draft, you don’t have much choice.
As for Tim Tebow, even I could see him having issues at the NFL level. A QB who runs is an exciting side attraction. 2nd only to the ambulance which pulls up to find all the body parts after that running QB plays against a real defense (Niners).
We just resigned rodgers. Cox is a backup n insurance in case brown doesnt come back strong from that injury. Spence is gone.Peace Out
Carlos Rogers singed a 4 yr, $31 million deal with the Niners a few hours ago….
With rumors of Carlos Rogers signing, not sure of it’s impact on the cap, will there be enough left to sign Alex, the rest of our free agents, and draft picks?
from Matt M
–WR Randy Moss (UFA, Titans, 2010): 1 yr/$1.75 million, roster bonus up to $750,000. 2012 cap: $1.75 million.
–CB Perrish Cox (UFA, cut by Broncos): 2 yrs/$1.17 million. 2012 cap: $540,000.
–LS Brian Pontbriand (UFA, cut by Browns): 1 yr/$826,000; 2012 cap: $826,000.
Re-signings
–CB Carlos Rogers (UFA): 4 yrs/terms unknown.
–LB Ahmad Brooks (UFA): 6 yrs/$37 million, $7.5 million signing bonus; 2012 cap: $2.85 million.
–DB C.J. Spillman (RFA): 3 yrs/$4.2 million, $925,000 signing bonus; 2012 cap: $1.08 million.
–LB Tavares Gooden (UFA): 1 yr/terms unknown.
–CB Tramaine Brock (EFA): 1 yr/$540,000. 2012 cap: $540,000.
–DT Will Tukuafu (EFA): 2 yrs/$1.02 million; 2012 cap: $465,000.
Franchise player
–S Dashon Goldson (UFA): 1 yr/$6.212 million (guaranteed when signed); 2012 cap: $6.212 million.
Restricted free agents
–LB Larry Grant (original round tender/7th round): 1 yr/$1.26 million.
so niners have spent 15.5 mill of whatever the cap was….not including rogers and gooden and AS…
so still don’t know how much is left over
With the top 51 rule in effect that should leave around $14 million in cap space after Rogers (assuming a $5 million cap hit for Rogers).
Smith and the draft picks should take around $11 million give or take leaving $3 mil to play with.
The team could probably create extra cap space with some cuts and restructures.
Thanks for the info JG and MSClemens
Mario Manningham is a good option at this point.
at what price? 3.5 mill/year 3 yrs?
I agree Grant, but it looks like they are going to take a look at Brandon Lloyd.
Manningham should get Garçon money – $7 million per year. Seems a bit much to me.
You think he’ll get more than Lloyd?
No clue at this point. All of the receivers seem to be getting crazy contracts today. $3 million a year guys are getting $6 mil.
Good thing they had that lockout to restrain salary growth.
Seems like the Niners are intent on corning the market on questionable character this year.
They will lead the league in divas.
Honestly. Harbaugh better be able to keep them happy and in check.
@Grant
The beauty about the RM contract is that if Moss does act up, the Niners can drop him and not owe him any more money for the rest of the season. And they get cap space back.
Agreed. Always was. Underrated.
Brandon Lloyd is visiting the 49ers according to Schefter. If we added him that would be a pretty good group with Crabtree, Moss, Lloyd.
Oh hell yeah!! I like this!! He had some AWESOME one handed snags!! One vs the ‘Hawks and later vs the Giants (even though that one was negated by a holding penalty)!! Word around the camp fire is we wants to come back. This will be a niiiiice addition.
Guap, don’t forget that amazing fully extended diving catch he had during his first go around out here. Think it was against the Rams at The Stick.
Yeah maybe he can repeat his patented head duck move too!
Something happened to Lloyd several years ago, he became indefensible. Maybe he was abducted by aliens or found the juice
Not much speed in that group. Moss may still have something left, but not yet sold on him. I’d suspect the Niners will draft a WR in the 1st round. Now that Rogers is coming back, the need at CB is not as pressing.
Taking a look at Lloyd too. Smart move. Very good receiver with an asking price that wont be near a wallace or vjax and he will get the same production in our system as any of them would.
I like the idea of Lloyd, too. But if the 49ers do sign him, I’ll be wondering why in the hell didn’t they trade for him last year, when teh Rams picked him up. They could’ve used him in the Championship Game.
Lloyd’s agent is Tom Condon (h/t matt barrows). I wonder if this is a little quid pro quo. “We’ll let Lloyd visit to put pressure on the Pats if you come down a bit on Alex’ contract demands”.
If the Niners had Crabtree, Moss and Lloyd in their wide receiving corps next season, which two would start?
Ooooo … You pose a dilemma right there, Granty ma’ boy!! But I’d have to go with Lloyd and Moss. I’m COMPELLED to say that!!
Lloyd and Crabhands with Moss coming in for 3 wide sets would make the most sense but Moss would freak out and kill a meter maid.
I can’t see Lloyd or Crabs accepting the 3rd spot quietly either.
It could be high drama.
Crabtree and Lloyd would start, with Moss playing in 3 wide sets and Crabtree sliding inside to the slot.
Gotta get Crabtree inside wher he can move around, find space and run after the catch.
Lloyd and Crabs, but I’m thinking there would be a lot of substituting and more 3 WR sets than we saw last season.
@Jack
To really run after the catch a WR needs to be able to do at least one of 2 things.
1. Be really fast. MC is not. His 40 time is not that great,and I’m talking in game 40 time. I don’t remotely care about Combine 40 times.
2. Have a quick burst. I don’t think MC has this either.
If the WR is fast, then the QB can hit him in stride and he can just outrun defenses.
If the WR has a quick burst, then MC can stop and find a spot in a zone, catch the ball and turn upfield. Since he starts in the stop position, he needs to be able to get up to speed quickly. I have never seen MC do that either.
So, I don’t think he can do either very well. If he did, JH and AS would have found a way to take advantage. Supposedly both are smart guys. Why wouldn’t’ they have found a way to get MC that separation?
Crabtree was a great college receiver. However, that does not translate to the pros where the corner backs are faster and smarter. I watched both playoff games several times and the when they showed Crabtree he was blanketed. If he pulls his Houdini act during training camp for the 4th time he may get his walking papers.
@Andrew
I don’t know anything at all about college football, so I can’t say if that is true or not.
What I can say is true is that whenever a camera was on MC, he was covered by an average #1CB. He never got separation, and a HOF QB confirmed what the cameras showed. And about an hour after the game ended and all the immediate emotion had already passed, he said what he said.
@DS94
George Siefert said that JT was the strongest player pound for pound he ever coached.
The 2 that have the best preseason/training camp.
I think Crabtree and Lloyd would start with Moss getting into a rotation with Crabtree depending on the play design and if they go to three wide receivers Crabtree would play the slot. Moss doesn’t block well enough to be a starter in our system.
Open competition.
Forget about their contracts. Start who ever is best in TC. Nobody has earned anything as a Niner (none are a Niner Pro-Bowler type skill), so they all need to try hard.
Plus, if we draft a WR and keep KW, you then look at how much each makes. And if there are two similarly skilled WR’s. One makes a lot, the other makes pennies, then you drop the one who makes a lot. Free up cap space to maybe add a late comer FA who was cut in the final cuts before the season starts as an added bonus.
I have my doubts that RM can be a starter. He would have to become a willing good blocker, and keep interested the whole game. As opposed to a situational guy who we bring in, and he does not need to be in the whole time. Also, have to wonder about conditioning towards the end of the year especially.
Of course, I also thought T. Brown sucked at this time last year. So, take my opinion with a grain of salt.
That’s right ‘Open competition’ at QB
@nick
In which AS will kick butt. I agree. Just like open competition at MLB and DE, OLB.
Always have competition. Just don’t expect any pro bowl level talent guys to be replaced by nobodies.
AS will win his job just as assuredly as PW will.
I’d bench Crabtree. In fact I’d cut him. Not even close in my opinion. Crabs is sub par in speed, hands, and making DBs turn there shoulders the wrong way. Hencehe never gets seperation….. then there are his hands and his ego. Personally I really would cut or trade him for a song and some beads.
While his playoff performance was pitiful, he had a pretty good regular season. Just because he isn’t a number 1 guy doesn’t mean he can’t be a good/great number 2.
Start Crabb and Lloyd. Moss come in for around 20-30 plays a game. Or we would see alot more 3 WR sets and see Crab work the slot and see what he is capable of doing there
A good/great #2 WR could still get more than 1 catch against a very average #1CB.
I mean John Taylor was a #2 WR. He could beat a lot of #1 CB’s. And any #2′s.
And MC had a horrible last 7 quarters of the playoffs. In those 7 quarters, he had more drops than catches. And no TD’s. That isn’t good for a #3 WR. Much less a #2.
Besides, why does everybody assume that MC is going to be ok with not being the #1 guy anymore? He held out 1/4 into the regular season because he felt he was robbed of not getting a respectful offer. This is not a guy who is humble.
Taylor was a #2 cause he played with Rice.
Yes.
And Taylor accpeted it. And actually loved it. He didn’t like the media attention and didn’t care as much about his won stats.
Do you really see MC in the same mold as Taylor? Taylor accepted being #2. Do you really think MC will? If not, then he will be an unhappy player who we are paying a ton of money for.
If MC gets to produce for a winner yes. Also we didn’t think of #1 and #2 back then it was flanker and split end. Harbaugh would probably say the same thing now.
JT was SO AWESOME. I saw him play in a charity basketball game. HOPS!
JR was the number 1 WR on the Niners. Call it whatever name they want. Every team had to account for JR first and JT second. Few could account for either.
That is the same thing in effect as a #1 and #2
Rumored at the time was JT had better hands than JR did. Of course nobody ever confirmed that I don’t think.
Both of those guys were great. JR was the best #1, JT was the best #2. And JM benefited by having both at the same time in their prime. Some guys are just lucky.
yeah like 9er fans in the 80′s
John Taylor and Jerry Rice, the best wide receiver combo in NFL history. In 1989 they had a combined 27 touchdowns between them. They could take 5 yard slants to the house.
@Andrew
Want to see a WR make a big jump in production from year 2 to year 3? JT is the model. Dwight Clark retired in 1987 (JT’s rookie year), and JT hanged around the edges in 1988, then in 1989, he made his presence known.
http://www.nfl.com/player/johntaylor/2503261/careerstats
Nice string. It would be an interesting story to see Lloyd return to the 49ers. He was there for Smith’s rookie season but Smith only played 9 games. Lloyd did turn in 700+ yards though – solid for a season with an uncertain offense. Lloyd really turned it up when he reunited with Ron Turner, his college head coach, in Chicago… so he seems to respond well to good coaching. Lloyd is intriguing but not at a high price. At his age, I expect Moss to rotate in to keep him fresh. Depending on Ginn’s tenure, I would expect 49ers to take a good look at a WR/Returner like Royal because, as much as I’m hoping for the guy, Kyle Williams probably won’t have the returning job this year.
@ed
Some nice thoughts.
But, I don’t want another WR to rotate in. I want a starter guy. Assuming RM isn’t one, this offense needs “A guy” on the outside who plays every down and the defense needs to worry about. That means no doubling VD unless you are doubling the guy, then how many defenders does that leave for the rest of the team?
Hmmm, so now that Alex is a free agent, which teams are lining up to sign him? Even Chad Henne – that’s right, Chad freakin Henne – is getting more action than Alex Smith. Things could change, but so far not much is happening.
Side note: Meachem signs with the Chargers
McNabb, and Kolb especially got a lot more attention last year at this time as well Nick.
AS was way better than all of them combined.
Your point being?
here’s a funny gif http://media.sacbee.com/static/weblogs/49ers/archives/blduck.gif
Your bitterness towards MC is getting old fast. Say what you want, I believe this year his play will do the talking. And then you’ll drop this nonsense
“Your bitterness towards MC is getting old fast”
Not my fault. I did what I said I would do. He had his year. He stank when it mattered.
“Say what you want”
I will.
“I believe this year his play will do the talking”
It’s about time.
“And then you’ll drop this nonsense”
If he does, you bet I will.
I was wrong about TB. I thought he stank big time. Then he turned out to have a very good season. And an ever better postseason.
So, I was wrong about him Adam707. I might be wrong about MC.
I was happy I was wrong about TB. And, I’ll be happy if I am wrong about MC.
rogers is coming back thats huge, its enormous we will be measureably better on d this yr with everyone in their 2nd yr. i kept saying that they wouldnt be signing any big money FA’s they would sign their own and now draft well. i still say it will be fleener
Crabtree certainly has his detractors around here and perhaps some of the concerns justified.
But I feel at this point It’s his job to lose. The Moss signing and talk about another WR coming by way of F/A and draft sends a clear signal to Crabtree that he better get his butt to teaming camp on time. And while at training camp he better pit out to best effort of his young career.
I believe he can meet those goals and have a banner 2012 season and beyond.
i think smith [if he signs] and crabtree will both have much better yr in their 2nd yr under harbaugh. if they stay healthy
@AES
I think that MC is caught up in the same whirlpool as Alex. I believe that Alex 2011 season redeemed him, and if MC has a breakout year, I think that the fans will embrace him. They both came in with overly high expectations from the fans, and now have to live up to ‘some’ of them. I also think that we as fans have grown up with them. Now, let’s start collecting Lombardis.
@Oregon
The main difference between the two is what they have done and how they have done it and what they have said.
If MC acted like AS, I would not be nearly so hard on him.
If AS acted like MC, I would not have defended him.
Simple as that.
*put out the effort*
#&$%% blasted! cell phone buttons
It’s kind of funny the first way you wrote it AES. I prefer the original. It’s also kind of more accurate. If MC does not do what you say, then he will be in the pits.
I generally agree with everything else. And I’d add that MC needs to look at what JR said about him and take his advice. He needs to be quicker/faster and if losing weight will do the trick, then do it. Even if it sacrifices a bit from his blocking, it is a worthy sacrifice.
FA Day 2. Here’s to not letting Lloyd leave the building unsigned. Would rather have Wallace, but it looks like his price will be to high.
It would take a minor miracle to get Wallace now.
But, miracles do happen. Just ask the Russian Olympic hockey team. And then seek confirmation from the USA Olympic hockey team.
Just saw this from some rumor mill website. Take from it what you will.
“The two teams that we were expected to fear in free agency are both in the market for a receiver still. San Francisco and New England are both in the market for a receiver. ”
http://www.yardbarker.com/nfl/articles/mike_wallace_and_brandon_lloyd_are_the_last_big_name_receivers_on_the_market/10306558
I don’t see how. The article was posted 6 hours ago and after the first full day of FA. So that was with the knowledge that the Niners signed CR to a nice contract.
Give up your Wallace dream. It’s not going to happen
It might not happen.
But, Nick, your Chad Henne dream won’t happen.
@DS
I don’t want Chad Henne. I just mentioned the fact that some teams have him rated higher than Alex Smith.
So excited for the Defense gladRogers is back!
drafting well is how consistent winners stay on top. i think thats the 9ers plan. i hope they sign loyd if we get him on the cheap and in that he could’nt find a home on the first day he will end up being a bargin
@old coach
That would make sense.
But look at the Pats in the past 5 or so years and who they drafted. And how many picks they had. Evidence suggests that you can be a winning team for awhile (5 years I say constitutes awhile) and draft poorly.
The Pats stay on top because of TB and the NFL makes sure TB is protected at all times.
Those clamoring for Carl Nicks at RG will be unhappy to learn he is now a Buccaneer. Signed for 47.5m according to Schefter.
That is way too much for a RG. That sounds like OT money.
again josh johnson is in heaven….he gets vince jackson and nicks…..
rumor….lenard davis from arizona
I think you mean Josh Freeman.
Johnson is the backup on that team.
hmmm…not crazy about this Brandon Lloyd visit…i realize he’s now a regular who caught 70 passes last year, but the Brandon Lloyd i remember would rather make one spectacular catch near a sideline and then avoid the next 3 potential catches in traffic. not the kind of guts i think this Niner team needs, or Harbaugh wants. but i’m glad to declare myself wrong if he proves to be the guy who takes the top off the defense and helps us get a SB win. but i’d bet fairly heavily against it.
It’s funny that I brought Lloyd up awhile ago and got crap for it. Funny how things come full circle. Ha ha haaa
Lloyd is NOT an upgrade over Morgan. Lloyd has had one and only one decent season as a professional, go check his stats and try to disagree with me:http://www.nfl.com/player/brandonlloyd/2505600/profile . Other then 2010 he’s never even come close to hitting 1k, 733 being the closest back in ’05 with us. People talk about Laurent Robinson being a one year wonder but they should be saying that about Lloyd!
Lloyd has never been known as a great run blocker and Morgan was an excellent one. Lloyd is far better known for his acrobatic circus catches then for anything else, he’s never been consistent. First it would be a mistake to sign him and second if they do and he’s the highest paid receiver then seriously WTF are they thinking at that position?? Moss and then Lloyd, very poor choices IMO.
lets wait and see what kind of guarenteed money he gets. if we get him cheap he’s worth a shot
According to the stats you linked, Lloyd had 966 yards receiving last year. That’s close to 1000.
I’m not saying he’s the answer at WR, but let’s at least discuss his career accurately.
True I suppose but that is adding the number from two different teams and you cant just assume he’d have that single total if he stayed in one place.
You’re right. I’d expect him to have a higher total if he stayed in one place.
Based on his career history there would be no reason to have that expectation unless you are basing it off of one season.
There would be a reason to have that expectation if you believe that changing teams mid season would present issues with regard to offensive continuity and QB familiarity. Lloyd luckily avoided half of that problem when he was traded to a team running an offense with which he already was familiar.
Why would you assume he would have a lower total by staying in one place?
The fact is, with the not insignificant exception of his relatively low catch rate, Lloyd put up to 10 WR numbers in in 2010-11. Only Calvin Johnson, Roddy White, Larry Fitzgerald, Mike Wallace and Wes Welker put up better numbers:
http://espn.go.com/blog/nfcwest/post/_/id/60897/wide-receiver-brandon-lloyd-then-and-now
Look, some guys take longer than others to grow up or to figure out the NFL. The 2012 Brandon Lloyd isn’t the same player as the 2007 Brandon Lloyd. There may be plenty of reasons to be lukewarm on Lloyd, but who he used to be isn’t one of them.
Why hasn’t Morgan been close to 1000 yards?????
Answer: mediocre QB play. He can’t throw the ball to himself
Shame on you nick. Lol
http://blogs.sacbee.com/49ers/archives/2012/03/source-49ers-showing-interest-in-wr-laurent-robinson.html
Hasn’t had much production but I’d still prefer Robinson to Lloyd; younger, bigger and isn’t a Ducky: http://i15.photobucket.com/albums/a368/amono21/lloyd_ducks.gif
Agree, Robinson would be the better signing.
Classic^
I’ve been high on Robinson. He’s bigger, younger, and faster than Lloyd. A bit unproven, but has higher ceiling.
MM reporting that Adam Snyder is visiting Arizona today. Would hate to see him go, especially within the division.
The Niners must not think much of him if they lowballed him.
how about davis from arizona to niners
I’d like to see Snyder back, but the FO may have other plans.
Snyder is valuable as a backup, but he’s a marginal as a starter.
snyder gets over powered by bigger d tackles on run plays pretty consistently
The post says – Lloyd (6-5, 192 lbs.)
Really? Would be one tall lanky, skinny receiver.
Not to mention the NFL should test him for height enhancing steroids.
When he played for the niners he was barely 6 feet tall, IIRC
Lloyd 6-0 188 http://www.nfl.com/player/brandonlloyd/2505600/profile
Ted Ginn is scheduled to meet with the Lions. If he goes there, he’ll be their 4th WR. In such a senario, why not saty with the Niners?
http://www.nfl.com/news/story/09000d5d82797a72/article/report-lions-to-meet-with-ginn-eye-him-as-fourth-wideout?module=HP11_headline_stack
In his mind he could go there and compete for the No. 2 job. Burleson and Young are nothing special. Plus, it’s closer to home for Ginn.
MM reports that the 49ers are interested in G Leonard Davis, reminds me of a G the 9er signed a long time ago that did pretty good Larry Allen.
You should get out from under your Dad’s wing and get a job on your own.
What make you qualified to comment on anything (music?)