The Niners just announced they signed free agent quarterback Josh Johnson to a two-year contract.
What does this mean?
Jim Harbaugh is going to say it’s all about competition. But what this really means is the Niners think they can do better at quarterback. They’re not satisfied with the production they got from the position last season, and they’re not satisfied with their current trio – Alex Smith, Colin Kaepernick and Scott Tolzien.
With Josh Johnson, the Niners not only hedge the Alex Smith signing, but they hedge the Kaepernick draft pick as well, and it’s now a four-horse race to become the Niners’ quarterback of the future.
That’s how I read it. How about you?
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YESSSSSSSSSSSSS SIR!!!!!!!
Bench warmer thats all JJ is ! hahahahaha
Ricky,
get your popcorn ready. And you’re gonna need a Kleenex. Alex is done, son!
Comedian ! hahahahahaha
not even a bench warmer more like a camp arm!!!
And Tolzien will out play em all
Indeed. Harbaugh and Baalke are invested in Kaepernick. I don’t see Johnson ever starting ahead of him unless he absolutely lights up camp. If it happens, good for us but I’d be cautious about high expectations. His 3-year average QBR is about 69 whereas Smith’s is about 84. Before you go making excuses for Tampa Bay, understand they’re the same excuses people make for Alex. It’s been 7 years since JJ and JH have been together and JJ has had more years as a QB without him than with him. And as we all know, a QB can change dramatically between college and years in the pros. Grant, thanks for the board boom boom but it’s a reach.
Niners just re-signed Ted Ginn Jr!
…nice
FN A…. J23 you called this one from the gates. Good call and after reading what smiths contract really looks like. There is no question he’s got to produce better than last year. I think Tolzein is a goner. That sucks I wanted to see what he had. May the best man win!
“I think Tolzein is a goner.”
I hope not. He’s got something – don’t know what it is but he LOOKS like a QB.
…Grant (a site blogger) – “But what this really means is the Niners think they can do better at quarterback.”…WRONG AGAIN….
From MM (a real reporter) –
Alex Smith remains the 49ers’ undisputed starter.
That point was made clear to free-agent quarterback Josh Johnson, who signed a two-year contract with the 49ers on Thursday, a source said.
What a couple of Clowns 23jordan & ninermd are eh?
What JJ is now going to take the 49ers to the Promise Land?
I mean after all JJ WAS a 5th RD Draft pick right? And there were so many Teams lined up to get him once Free Agency started right?
Oh but wait a minute….we’re going on the 3rd week of FA so how come no other Team signed the Great JJ?
PLEASE
@f49er
No, what this means is that Smithers are nervous that Alex will get pushed for the starting QB position. Will the 4 trick poney – aka Alex Smith – win this ‘four-horse race’?
ROFLMAO….
I really do not care who is the quarterback at the end of the day, I trust that the niners have done their due dilagence, and are putting the best team out there. However, There are several on here, to include the current mangaer of this blog, that want anybody but smith…..
F49er,
Clowns are the guys that are misinformed. Clearly you are the clown because you are misinformed. Josh Johnson turned down a contract with Tampa. He turned down other visits because he want to go to a team where he can compete for a starting job.
I think you got Josh mixed up with your boy Elite Alex. The guy who is here on a glorified one year deal. Alex is in trouble son.
Hey f4…. Who the hell said I thought jj was starting? Please post where I said that. J23 was right on this one. You and one noob sound nervous. Yep the FO really cracked on the smith holdout. Wheew you two are pathetic.
@NickRow
The “Smithers” are nervous?
Of what? A QB that’s only had 96 Completions in his entire NFL career? Complete nonsense but I’m all for Competition.
@23Jordan
Alex is in trouble? Ya I can see the Great JJ taking Alex’s Job…..
BAAH!
@ninermd
Well….No need to reply back to your drivel
It’s pretty obvious that Grant doesn’ like Alex Remember that this is the same guy who wanted us to get Tebow. Tebow is a great guy just not a good QB.
I didn’t advocate trading for Tebow to play QB.
I’m guessing they looked at A.S as the known quantity. The others have some potential, they WILL be given the chance to show they are as good or better. I will tell you that JJ has some poential, but he hasnt exactly “done” any more than CK. I really have a good feeling about CK. If he has the mental stamina, I think hes gonna be a good one.
Jordan,
No matter what anyone thinks about it, you were right. Josh Johnson is a Niner. Try not to have too much fun gloating ;-)
Personally, I don’t see him beating out Alex as the starter, but signing him should light a fire under Alex’s @ss – he always seems to do better when someone or something is pushing/threatening him.
49er girl,
Alex is about to get pushed right to the bench.
And yet another full-of-potential-unwanted-by-other-teams player.
I’m excited. May the winner of the competition be the starter.
O snap
I guess we really do have a QB competition fellas. Did you all notice that this was a successful stealth signing. I hope they spoke to Alex about it!! Bwahahahahaha!!
Don’t forget to take your medication…hahaha
Ricky, don’t feed the piranha. He’s never been right about anything in the last 3+ years or so. Chuckle and move on…
I really like this and have been hoping it would happen. Alex still has the edge going into camp but now he’s going to have to take it to another level or that ship will have sailed!!!
This is going to be a kick-booty off-season!!!
Benny,
get your popcorn ready. Josh is about to bench Alex. Josh is no joke in this offense.
23Jordan,
I know its your last hope for you (if you really intend to stop blogging should AS start next season), but I’m actually hoping that Josh works out.
I just hope ST doesn’t end up on the chopping block because of this signing. I think the kid has a tremendous upside.
If we can hold onto all four QB’s, I’d be willing to wager that one of the other 3 (regardless of who the starter is) will garner trade value before 4 regular season games have been completed.
Don’t hate the move unless it means a loss of ST.
MCofSac.
Well said. I’m embracing this competition! I’m also hoping that ST doesn’t take the hit.
So, Hofer, how about if you quit responding to any posting that involves him.
Drs,
He Can’t help it. He’s trying to save Alex. Does it bother you or something. It shouldn’t if you mind your business.
Good call Jordan. Unbiased, all out competition is what we need at the QB position. Based on past history, I’m sure if Alex can win out.
CRICKETS!!!!!!!???????????????
Welcher.
How about vowing to never post here again is JJ’s butt remains planted on the bench. BWAAHAHAHAHAHA.
A competition between what a few people call a bad QB and a worse QB. Boy! I’m excited!!!
@Grant
I think you have your take all wrong here.
JH said that there will be competition at all positions since day 1. He is the first Niner HC to actually stand by those words with actions.
None of that means that JH is unhappy with anybody. He can still like AS, CK, Tolzein as much today as he did at the end of last year. May the best man win.
Not to spoil it for you, but it will be AS.
I didn’t say Harbaugh was unhappy or didn’t like anyone, just that he wants more from the QB position.
JH wants more from every position Grant. To me, that is a wash (meaning nothing can be concluded by this move).
He wants more from the CB, DE, TE, WR, etc. as well. He is holding true to his philosophy. But do you really expect somebody to best PW or JS or CR? I don’t. But they will earn their starting jobs just like the starting QB will. That might be part of the thing that actually made us the “complete team” we were last year.
Are you comparing Alex Smith to Justin Smith?
Grant
JS is my favorite Niner. I’ve said this a lot. I want to make sure he stays young and can play forever. Maybe get the guy some blood transfusions from people who live over 100 years of age to get whatever they have to stay healthy so long. I harped on people saying JS was a Pro Bowl player since he arrived here, before he actually made the Pro Bowl. Much like I have this year with AS.
JS is better than AS. But JS does not take every snap in the game and does not hold the whole game in his hands. If AS gets as good as JS, we are winning 4-6 Super Bowls in the next decade Grant.
How often do you see anything run successfully on JS side of the field? Run (never). Pass – rarely. Heck, how often do you see anything run successful that JS does not come from out of nowhere to make a play? A quick run off RT, and JS is there to make a tackle (assist, whatever) virtually every time.
There is not a QB playing at an equivalent level JS has played his DE position at. Last year was not new. It was no fluke for JS. It was a just new that the rest of the team got better so that it showcased JS. JS was this good all the time.
And if AS reaches this level, then several years down the line if you and I are still here, you will do a blog about how great AS is, and how all these blog posts that are all to common now about doubting the guy are funny.
Realistically, how much better do you think Alex Smith can become?
GC, the better question is how much better can CK become. Clearly he is a world beater taking out AS in two years!
@Grant
If AS is 1/2 as good as JS, then I say we still win 2-3 Super Bowls in the next decade. And that is HOF type work. Phil Simms won 2 didn’t he in 1 decades worth of work. And he is a HOF player.
You can say this or that about AS. But how many QB’s are the legit starter for 3 different HC’s? Not that many. If he has nothing, he isn’t a legit starter for even 1 HC. Much less 3 of them.
And the things you hear about AS from former QB’s is a lot different from what you hear about him from non-former QB’s. JM said a lot about AS. A lot about how he had no chance before JH. And now with JH AS did what he did. After 1 year! I put more stock into what JM says makes a good QB, or Gannon or Terry Bradshaw than I do some fat lard of a defensive player on the sideline or know it all expert with zilch experience either playing in the NFL or coaching (Cossel comes to mind. If he does have experience, it wasn’t very good).
I also don’t look at years as being that indicative of a guys potential/ceiling. I’ve been talking about games a lot. You don’t get a sense of the speed by doing anything but playing the games. So, AS may have 7 years, but games wise, he is about 4.5 years.
Knowing how bad that first year was Grant, you can’t judge anything about the guy from that. So I subtract those 9 games as meaningful games to really gain experience. Plus he had a different system in year 2 anyway, so system wise, he didn’t carry anything over. The only thing he learned in the first year was the NFL players are faster and hit harder. I knew that, so I don’t think he learned anything of real substance which he can carry over to year 2.
I also subtract those 4 games in year 3 where he played after he was injured. When the opposing player is talking about the QG not looking healthy or right (Peterson said), then that means he isn’t performing at his best and should never have played those games if a decent human being was the HC. Too bad for AS, a decent human being was not the HC.
And of course his time off when Martz was here can’t really count either. No games played at all and a different system. Can’t evaluate anything there.
When you look at the 3 year mark (real 3 year games mark) as the time to really evaluate a QB, that is right around the mid point of last season. And the Niners were 7-1.
Add everything together, and AS can get way better. Much better. And he started year 3 with the 2nd best record in the NFL in a situation which all the experts said the Niners would be lucky to win 5 games all season (they had 7 wins in 8 games).
P.S. I am going off of memory of previous posts here, so the exact numbers may not be accurate. But the conclusions one can make are.
Don’t ever compare the nowboy to the cowboy.
Don’t tell me I can’t talk about JS and compare him. That is what you do with great players.
Stalker.
@ GC,
Can we have a word count on reponses, DS reminds me a couple of people on FaceBook, you open up your page and you see nothing but one person taking over newsfeed. What a freaking blow hole.
Hey Neal
How about we limit your posts. Nothing of any football is discussed in any of them, and you suck.
DS,
You are a self-described “At least 55 year old with fingers too chubby to type correctly into your Nintendo DS handheld.” I’m sure you wish somebody was stalking you. You run your mouth all day on the blog thinking you have the conch, like Piggy from Lord of the flies.
Stalker
Lol. Why don’t you go tell Grant how to police the blog again, he seemed very interested in discussing your BS off of the blog.
@Grant
Realistically noone thought A. Smith would be the QB he was last year.
“49ers won’t have a chance against the Saints if this becomes a shootout. Better hope the niners defense can keep them under 21 points to give them a chance” There isn’t a rule that says you can’t get better by doing something over and over…..hold on there is “Practice makes perfect”. He may have hit his ceiling or he may in his 2nd yr in JH’s offense and an off season get that much better and surprise us. THE BIG Question is do you root for him to be a better QB or pray for him to FAIL because…hmmmm I can’t even think of a reason I would want a player on my favorite NFL team to fail. Where are the real fans at? #GlassHalfFull view of the world.
BigP = Stalker
Lol.
http://www.xboxlivescore.com/profile/DS94everXev
LOL nice find Big P. I’m still laffing
LOL Big P, how did you find her!!! Just classic
DS, is really a girl? lol, ok, so what? I just love the discovery….
Grant,
You write stuff like you just watched your first football game. Really? Josh Johnson coming in to take over for AS? If he was that good in the pros (not in college, as that was 4 years ago) he would have been a hot commodity as a free agent. He only got signed by the 49ers cuz JH was his coach in college. So far, Josh Johnson has not shown anything except a few plays running the wildcat for the Tampa Bay Bucs.
All of you AS haters stating that Alex is going to lose his job, really? To Josh Johnson? Really? Look at his pro stats, and even come up with some footage and tell us fans where he wowed anyone. Also, CK is not a bust, for Christ’s sake. CK is a young qb going into his second year. Niners bring in JJ and all of you haters are all the suddenly saying there is a competition, really? JJ is built more like a wide receiver, and maybe the niners are planning to convert him into one because he sucks as a pro quarterback!
Do any of you really think that an avatar for somebody needs to look like them?
Seriously. If you think that, you are stupid. One option is to have a panda be your avatar picture. Does that mean a panda is actually playing? Pure stupidity.
In some of the best games out there (Fable, Mass Effect) you can play as either a man or woman. And the game changes accordingly. Do you really think people only play as their own gender?
Pathetic. Hating because that is all you are good at doing.
@REC49er
Why not! It worked pretty well for Arnez Battle. If we could go back in time an bring him to our time, he would have been our best WR last year. And we would have won the Super Bowl.
Until his last year here, Battle was “clutch” in a ton of situations. Finding a way to get a 1st down on 3rd down was an art form for him.
well bringing in a JJ is helpful to the whole QB group because JJ doesn’t have to spend much time coming up to speed and the QBs can converse about different aspects of the play called which will help with reading pre-snap defenses and the whole after snap vision thing…this is why i am excited about having JJ here he brings something more to the table than CK or ST….he has been reading these nfc defenses a bit already so he and AS can go in depth in what each other are seeing in game situations and with clued in coaches make in-game adjustments a bit more readily…..this is my take on this whole competition thing
So does every HC…being greedy is good.
Agreed!
BS,
Watch your words. Smiths deal is basically a series of 1 year deals that were designed to allow the Niners to cut bait if he’s not the Answer. I’ve said it for years, he’s not the answer. You’re about to find out now. How are the Smithers feeling right now. Just a little uneasy!!!! Oakland’s finest, JOSH JOHNSON! you don’t think he’s about to light it up for the NINERZ!!!
Welcher
Don’t feed the piranha!
JJ is the same wash out like your boys T. Smith and N. Davis… crying out load…hahahahahahaha
Yeah, this sends a message to CK. If he doesn’t up his game JJ will be AS’s backup this year! Wow! Didn’t imagine CK losing the FO’s trust this soon! Hmm.
BS, Alexfan11, little Ricky,
This is going to be a tough pill to swallow. You clowns better get used to it. Its gonna be a difficult season for the Smithers. Josh is no joke but you clones will have to tale this medication sooner or later.
LMAO! JJ probably won’t beat out ST. LOL
Tiny Jordan, calm down little boy.. Your boy better be a good back up or he’ll end up #3…hahahahaha
yea, we understand how the contract works….why the needling….AS got a 50% raise for 1yr….he is OK with it and he looks forward to competition as he has noted…..JH is running a football team in the appropriate manner…..time to let it go….because bottom line AS is on the team and has taken care of all the moving point targets you provided throughout the season….except for your after the fact crappy 3rd down deficiencies escape clause in the nfc championship (which was evident during the season as well)….we get it as well AS has to improve…he knows this as well and accepted the structure of the contract because he is a balanced thinker and of course he knows this is his best chance at success and a SB at the same time…he has shown promise in the past in these areas (redzone/3rd down eff) and for some reason it escaped him this year…yet he displayed other nice plays during the season under pressure…so i give him the benefit of the doubt because i am only going to consider what he has accomplished under JH not the previous regimes….and will give him his second season in the same system as well….i look forward to it….
i like the signing and i am sure whoever it is you consider an AS uber-supporter likes this signing as well….having a JJ here provides AS with another sounding board as well as in your face competition from someone that was in the system as well…..
Everyone climbs on As for one reason or another. Both good and bad. This argument about 3rd downs and red zone has gone on all year and he has received the blame. No one blames the play calling. No one blames the receivers for not getting open or dropping touchdown passes. With the new receiving corp I feel that you will see a much better AS as well as greater production on 3rd downs and in the red zone. Outside of Josh Morgan and and one tight end their production was horrible. There were more dropped balls and bad route running than on many high school teams. There is one hope and that is that we don’t have any 3rd downs. We get there on first and second downs. Oh! Well, the season hasn’t begun yet and the blog pundits once again know more than the coaches and the front office.
Somebody is gonna be real dissapointed!
I agree, As will retain his starting role and play way better than last year… JH is doing the prudent thing by bringing in a veteran backup verses having two throw a 2nd year guys if Smith gets hurt…
Bingo, give this man a cigar!
I actually like Tolzien, who seems to be the odd man out. But curious how this will play out. last year Kap was the back up, and might get bumped to third string?!?
Don’t we have other needs on this football team?
How are you coming to that conclusion?
Isn’t it possible that JJ is dropped? That this is JJ’s last chance possibly. If he is dropped by his mentor, by the QB guru, then maybe he doesn’t have anything.
Johnson threw 113 TDs and 15 INTs at USD.
bs,
You’re butt hurt!! Get over it already!
GC, mor apropos is to list his NFL stats. LOL
*more*
Grant
Great. What college player stank and went to the NFL?
@23J
Welcher
Those are impressive numbers no matter the competition.
I think this puts more pressure on CK than anyone else. Just last week there was talk that he’s the next starting QB for the Niners. Alex got through the Peyton Manning show this will only make him chuckle. It could be the team is covering all its’ bases. Injury, performance, future trade, upgrade in the draft, this could be a move to something larger. Harbaugh and Baalke are really sharp, they’re making this team for the now and later,
Of course they are Grant.
Point is every wash out in the NFL was really good in college. Just like the average, good, great, all world players were.
True, but Johnson is unique. Most potential washouts don’t get to play again at 25 for the coach they had wild success with in college. Johnson is set up to succeed.
@DS,
You are confused young lady. Getting mixed up with JJ and AS you meant.
How are you coming to that conclusion?
Isn’t it possible that AS is dropped? That this is AS last chance possibly. If he is dropped by his mentor, by the QB guru, then maybe he doesn’t have anything.
You’re right Grant. JJ seems to have fortune on his side with that. I am sure it has happened at some point, but Wow!
One has to hope that JJ didn’t get any bad experience or habits. Ones which he picked up for one reason or another playing for a team who has nobody at QB.
@Neal
“You are confused young lady. Getting mixed up with JJ and AS you meant.”
No I am not confused, or a young lady. If I were, I would imagine being Angelina Jolie. I am quite old. Or at least for bay to be right about the world, I have to be at least 55 years of age.
But your sentence structure is quite confusing. What were you trying to say?
Go back to watching hockey Neal. I think the Sharks could use AS’s late game heroics more than you would like to admit.
I am watching hockey young lady, commercial break, anyway you can post away on Sat night, as the Sharks will beat the Coyotees.and I will be at the game That was quite funny about AS, too bad we can’t see many repeat performances.
Grant,
Did you just bring up his Division I-AA, aka Football Championship Subdivision, aka Pioneer League, stats. Wow….
Go talk to Jason White, Matt Lienart, Pat White and Troy Smith (and countless others) how well college stats equate to NFL success or ability.
JJ is nothing more than a camp arm at this moment. If anything he’s here to push CK and Tolzien. Smith will be day one starter.
4 qbs on 1 roster? Someone is going to get cut. Tolzien most likely
I thin harbaugh loves competition and 2 years on the contract leads me to believe he’s taking a flier on a guy he likes and has worked with, successfully, before. Roll the ball out. Let the best player start.
I think I recall Harbaugh saying last year that he will bring in the best people he can find to compete for every position. He must feel that JJ has some potential to play in his system. The QB position was healthy last year but you can’t count on that. Having 4 young QBs vying for 3 spots should bring out the best. May the best men win.
What happen to.the love birds of coach and qb? Jimmy has a new guy in town. They have J J DYnomite
Neal,
Josh is no joke in this offense. Alex’s BFF is cheating on him again!! It is about to be some fireworks in training camp. Watch when you see JJ run this offense. We have a new QB!!!
Great News,
The Niners now have a chance to be a much improved third down team along with a better red zone team. David Acres is upset now when JJ takes over he won’t be kicking a 1000 field goals like he did last season. Alex is a elite QB hahah Jim Harbaugh new name is SLICK JIMMY. I love it
@Neal
David Acres is upset now
Good one. I bet Andy Lee is also pissed.
Like to place a friendly wager on who starts the season? I’ll take AS you take JJ? You can even throw in CK and ST if you want.
Evan Silva just tweeted: “If Josh Johnson is ever going to hone his talent, he’s gone to the right coach. He’s got a LOT of it. Can rip it downfield, runs like wind.”
Grant,
Now, we have an official QB controversy!!! Sorry Smithers. It’s a bad month for Alex!!
Don’t feed the piranha. He may get cut before KW!
I wouldn’t call this a “real qb controversy” just yet Jordan. You might want to hide your red rocket till AS gets hurt
definitely what the Niners would really like to do, get more vertical. looking for the guy who has the total package out these select few.
The starting QB doesn’t have a problem. Now the 2nd/3rd string guys need to elevate their play. JJ hasn’t played well his entire NFL career. He didn’t displace JF and he had very little interest in him other than the 9ers. He won’t be more than a career backup at this point that may or may not displace CK or ST. He’ll most likely only be camp fodder. Next article please Grant.
Alexfan11,
Are you still on board with JH choice at starting QB this year? I don’t reall give a dam- but you better get ready to see your boy get benched. Tell Alex we want that jersey # 11 too!! BwHahahahahahahah
Yes I am. BTW, whatever happened to if AS gets a contract you are gone. At least I wouldn’t *welch*!
Jordan,
I’m afraid that this year the coaches are going to give it to Alex unless he gets severely outplayed in preseason. This is his last chance Jordan, but I think they are going to give him a full season to sink or swim.
The good news is the FO has spoken. He plays average like last year and it’s over.
I’m not an Alex hater or admirer, I just want the QB that gets us the SB. One thing though, anybody that has bet against Alex and his last shot are broke.
Bay,
That is not going to happen my man. He will have that job at the start of training camp. Unfortunately for Alex Smith, pressure will bust a pipe. Alex, for the 1st time in his caterer, has a real threat at his position. apparently, you’ve never seen Josh at work. I thought you knew. better get on YouTube. You will Soon find out what I’ve known already. Josh didn’t come home to lose this chance to Alex Smith. I can tell you. He can show you. The difference is going to be so clear. He won’t be denied.
Nice comment there Andrew about betting against AS.
“He plays average like last year and it’s over.” — Bayareafanatic.
Ssmith played well last year. Not great, but well, not average.
playing against NO and NYG in playoffs is a real threat…JJ not so much
@Hofer, You know my thoughts all these, its about this coming draft, I think CK is going tobe package on a deal in the 1st round with out 30th pick.. I think Baalke has something going on his sleeves..I just hope they’re doing the right thing..
Ricky, AS is the starter and if he is lucky, JJ is third by beating out ST. Not a big deal. Trust me!!!!!!!
Hofer,
I think the niners are going to trade CK and our 30th pick to get a lower pick in 2012 draft.. I think baalke and Harbaugh are eyeing on a player already that they really like in the draft..
Ricky, the only thing that has trade value in the NFL is unproven talent in the draft. DeMeco Ryans goes for a 4th round pick, go figure it.
@Andrew, I think the 49ers are going after G David DeCastro…That makes sense , niners building a wall..
6’4 3/8 from Stanford another Harbaughs student..
Ricky, that’s my dream.
@andrew, you never bradah is might come true DeCastro is the only missing piece for our offensive line, will be awesome for years and years to come..
Unlikely, but DeCastro obviously would be (well for lack of a better term)”awesome”!!!
freeman had great things to say about JJ….about his field vision and his offensive acumen…..i think it is great he is on the team…..he is the nate davis Tim never had….
lol !
JGW
+1
good one!
A lone voice of reason in the wilderness.
@ bay, you have more common sense than 23jordan ! He won’t understand what is logic to you.. I won’t say his ignorant, but i think this guy is denial.. peace bradah !
I’m happy about this signing because I was never comfortable relying on Kaep or Tolzien if Alex got injured behind our porous offensive line (that has not been upgraded, though losing Snyder and Rachal is almost an upgrade by default, since they played so far below replacement level). Hopefully Kaep and Tolzien will improve a lot in their first offseason with this system, but I won’t be surprised at all if Johnson outperforms both of them and proves to be a quality backup.
Raiq,
I’m telling you right now. Don’t be surprised if Josh Johnson is the starter buddy. You’re about to see him game soon enough. He owns this offense!
Raiq, agreed! Clearly JH is putting the pressure on CK and ST. Maybe JJ is AS’s backup this year. Hmm. Maybe CK isn’t “all that” after all!
I wonder how close the current offense will be to the one Harbaugh used at a school like San Diego University. The football program does not offer scholarships, and competes in Division I-AA (Football Championship Subdivision) in the Pioneer Football League.
It’s not exactly a source of NFL talent.
The only thing this means is that Scott is out and Johnson is in. I feel that they will keep Alex as starter and Kappi as second. What team can say they have three potential starters on their team? A year ago no one wanted to go to the niners, now everyone wants to come to play with us. Who’s got it better than us nooobody
Who did JJ turn down to come to the 49ers? I like having him on the team as talented potential.
Ht
Tampa Bay for one.
Htwaits,
He refused to resign with Tampa bay for an opportunity to fight for a starting position. So if you think he came here to accept a backup role laying down, you’re wrong. You will soon see. Hopefully you can accept what you’re about to see. Sound like a Smither to me. Get your popcorn ready!!
“Sound like a Smither to me.”
Man you just keep digging your hole deeper and deeper. Why? What’s the point?
@Adam
You may have a point if 23J were to get punished for anything. But he isn’t. So there is no hole.
The welcher can’t hold true to his own word. Hate to break it to everybody who thought he would be true, but that was never going to happen.
Welcher.
He’s happy that one thing he has stated is correct. That the niners signed JJ. I will give him that. The rest is the same crap he always states.
Adam,
I don’t recall addressing you in thus thread.
23J
Would that make you a Johnsoner?
>>He refused to resign with Tampa bay for an opportunity to fight for a starting position.
He wasn’t even in the running for starting against TB’s crappy current QB? lol. Tampa knows something the welcher is soon going to find out.
Hey welcher, vow to stop posting here if JJ starts the year on the pine.
NICE!!!!! IT’S ALL ABOUT COMPETITION. Alex won’t even have a chance to be complacent, knowing he has two athletic QB’S waiting to snatch up that starting spot. Remember, A players feed off of other A players!
I like Alex . . . think he can win a Super Bowl.
If, on the other hand, Josh can beat him out then
I like Josh . . . think he can win a Super Bowl.
I like Alex, If CK can bet him out….
grin
I know he is versatile…but can he play Right Guard?
Thats what I have been wondering too. Who is the starting guard.
At the moment…Daniel Gilgore…
Who the hell cares…just put the best QB out there(and I don’t really care who it is as long as we’re winning) and quit playing all these games. Sign some FA positions that we actually need!
Which games are you objecting to? The one after the lockout ended, or the one leading into Harbaugh’s first chance to teach his complete system?
Hate to break it to u all, but Alex Smith is and will b the starter. The JJ signing is all about insurance. A player who knows what JH wants, and has experience in our offense. Bill polian was fired because he had no back up plan. I wish we knew more about CKs progress, but JJ will push Tolzien out, and we basically have 3 decent qbs. Im glad we signed Ted Ginn Jr. back, but only if he doesnt call in on the Nfc champship game again. With Moss and Ginns speed defenses will have to respect their deep halfs/3rds with davis running down the seam. Ive wished Alex the best, But if he doesnt improve his defense recognition, his deep ball, and leading wr to become open, we will always fall short. Alex will light it up in the competition and pre season, but be timid to throw deep on a consistant basis. We need a stud gaurd, another rookie wideout (HILL, or WRIGHT) another cover/blitzting olb, another DL, and Rb, and maybe depth @ Safety- I love how we have kept our team intact. If Ginn could frigin catch. Webalright
Rick,
Stay tuned. keep an open mind. Enjoy the show. Josh Johnson is about to change your mind. Whatever you do, when you see his work, just respect it. Don’t be a hater! You sound like a Niner fan, just watch Josh work.
Ive seen him play. Not as pmpressive as you are making it out to be.
So, there can only be Alex haters and not JJ haters? lol
Cant wait to hear the Joshexcuses!
Have you watched him work? Where and when was that?
Or… it means we had NO backup plan last year for if Smith got injured. No contingency whatsoever. So quick to be sensationalistic… For SHAME good sir.
Harbaugh wanted JJ to be signed by the 49ers because he could see immediately that this blog was in trouble without new fodder for the rabid pro/con Smithers. There was rational discussion all day and Jim couldn’t stand it. Enjoy.
I agree with this, seriously sometimes i’m wondering if Grant is writing for the press democrat or TMZ. This is such a melodramatic response to the signing of a career backup QB with nothing on his NFL resume to suggest alex and CK should be shivering in their boots.
In 4 years this guy hasn’t played much, but when he did play he played horribly. 54% completion, and 57.7 QB rating LOL. If you guys want to hate on Alex Smith and think he sucks, feel free to do so, but my god stop letting your hatred cloud your judgment. Just because this guy played well in Harbaugh’s system at a no name college football program does not mean he’s going to be the next great 49er QB.
Greg,
You sound like a hater to me. Hopefully you’re a Niner fan and not an Alex Smith fan. If you are a Niner fan, you are in for something special with Josh. Don’t be a hater. keep an open mind. Josh is a master of this offense.
How does that make me sound like a hater? I don’t give a damn who is our QB as long as we’re getting wins. Whether that’s alex smith or curtis painter if we’re winning superbowls i will be a happy fan.
Like i said, Josh Johnson has not shown anything to suggest he’ll be a great or even good NFL quarterback. What he did in San Diego doesn’t impress me. If your college success meant anything then Alex Smith would be a top 3 NFL QB.
I think it’s so funny how shifty 49ers fans have become. After the saints game everybody was literally swinging on Alex’s family jewels like a bunch of Tarzans. Now everybody is convinced he’s completely useless again. I’m pretty sure it’s somewhere in between.
don’t get it as well…j23 hates but can’t allow hating on his new boy…..greg does have a point about u j23….there was martz, UCD and JTO and now we get to witness something similar with JH, Univ of SD and JJ
all that is missing is the shrapnel
Greg,
They were excited because they saw Smith play the best game of his career atbthe biggest moment. That excitement was quickly erased the very next week when he reminded us as to who he was.
23J….Yes he did, a QB with very little help at the receiver position.
Niner61,
You mean a QB who wouldn’t throw to his receivers in the championship game. A QB who threw balls at his receivers feet and over their heads. A QB that threw more passes into defensive linemens hand than he did into his wideouts hands? C’mon man.
As I pointed out above, the University of San Diego has a non-scholarship athletic program. JJ may know much of the terminology, but he’s going to need to learn Harbaugh’s NFL offense.
Ht,
Yeah, that’s gonna be trouble. (sarcasm) JH signed him because he knew JJ couldn’t learn new terminology.
so you pointed out the obvious….how much credit do you want?
I haven’t seen enough of this guy to form a real solid opinion.
This is clearly what JJ wanted so I’m happy for him. I’m not sure who to root for though. I like CK and Tolzien.
Could be that CK might be used for trade bait? :/
I just don’t see that happening though. Dump a younger 2nd round guy for an older 5th round guy.
Dunno. Weird.
@Adam
The Niners didn’t just sign AS for a lot of money, then to sign his replacement for a lot less just a few days later.
If the FO did that, they are stupid. They are not stupid.
Hofer ..
If I remember correctly …
Steve Young didn’t do much with the Buccs, either … it wasn’t ’till
Bill Walsh got his hands on him, that he flourished …
Is history repeating itself ?
Good call…
Mid West,
get your popcorn ready!!! We got us a quarterback buddy!
As I pointed out above, the University of San Diego has a non-scholarship athletic program. JJ may know much of the terminology, but he’s going to need to learn Harbaugh’s NFL offense.
Where have you seen JJ do all these wonderful things?
You tube apparently.
MW, It looks like 23jordan use tobe with a circus, selling popcorns ! LMAO !
I read it as picking up a back up who knows Harbaughs offense already.
Josh Johnson is a backup qb, and went where he felt most comfortable, to play for a coach he obviously has tremendous respect and admiration.
Josh didn’t sign with Tampa because he stated clearly that he was only going somewhere that he could compete for a starting job. He won’t take losing this job laying down. Get your popcorn ready!
Its the other way around, TB don’t want anything to do with JJ. He also knows hes on his way out, with nothing to show. Harbaugh was just to nice of a person thats why he took your homeless boy…lol
Little Ricky the hater. Yeah you’re a Smither, not a Niner fan. Enjoy Alex while you can. He won’t be here in the bay very long!
Jordo, what are you? Always bad mouthing others here that don’t believe what you are spewing. When was the last time you were correct here?
How about that bet Jordo? You could always welch like you did with your other bet. Right?!!
@3jordan, Ya right.. mean while show JJ the ropes in selling Popcorns at Raiders game ! hahahaha
Your take is pretty off-base. First he is at a minimum a quality camp arm and makes every rep that much better. Who was the additional Qb’s of the past? A nobody from sacramento, a running QB from West virginia, and dyslexic Nate. In order for a team to build on its young foundation a coach has to ensure every rep counts… hard for receivers to work on their craft if they dont have talent throwing to them.
Second the most obvious point, competition. No its not that the niners arent satisfied with last years results… its that Alex is finally looked at as the guaranteed starter, so unlike in prior years he will not be playing much in preseason. That allows the staff to get a better look at their options behind Alex in game situations so why go into preseason with CK, Tolz, and random scrub. If you’re gonna have 3 guys competing for 2 backup spots, why handicap it with a QB who’s just a camp arm with no real shot at landing a spot.
5280,
That post was hilarious. Don’t be a hater. Be a Niner fan. May the best guy win the job. Get your popcorn ready!
You’re kidding yourself if you actually think Josh Johnson is going to be competition for Smith. The guy was awful in Tampa Bay, we’re talking Alex Smith rookie year awful. I find it so funny that Alex Smith having a 90.7 qb rating for last season isn’t good enough for some of you but you are so ready to bank on a qb with a 57.7 career qb rating. If you think Alex Smith isn’t good enough thats fine, but all you are accomplishing by hyping up a career backup is making me laugh. So thanks for that I guess.
I actually wouldn’t be surprised if they switched him to wide receiver, hes athletic enough for it and is 6’3.
Tkamb,
Are you saying that you know more than JH?? I didn’t sign him, TB and JH did. Don’t be a hater! Get your popcorn ready!
I’m not saying I know more than JH at all, I’m just saying that you guys thinking this is competition for Alex is laughable at best. If this is competition for anyone its Kaepernick, they obviously don’t think hes ready to even be a viable back up in case Alex gets hurt.
Wildcat anyone?
With anyone, it would be Kaep. But about 4 years too late, the wildcat is already in the dustbin of NFL fads.
Jordan, want to make a wager that Johnson doesn’t start a single game? Unless smith is injured
I’d make the wager that even if Smith gets injured, Kaepernick would start before Johnson.
Tkamb,
we shall make that bet my friend. You will soon have to face reality. Alex is done, son!
Jordo,
Speak up. Is there a bet. There are a few on the table so put you money where your mouth is ok?
Adam707,
We will have plenty of time to make that wager and we will. Enjoy the moment. Your team just got a new starting QB!!!
The end of AS starts now.
NINERZ,
You just said it. Watch Josh work. Get your popcorn ready!!
Repetitious I know.
As I pointed out above, the University of San Diego has a non-scholarship athletic program. JJ may know much of the terminology, but he’s going to need to learn Harbaugh’s NFL offense.
I had them ready, since we drafted CK.
Jordo,
Bet for you… If JJ beats out AS in 2012 I’m done here. If JJ doesn’t beat out AS in 2012 you are done here. Are you in? We’ll know in August. How about it?
Alexfan11,
I don’t want you to leave, you are a Niner fan 1st right. So you’re going to quit the Niners if your hero loses his job? Good news for you. You got that home grown QB. Josh is from Oakland!!!!
Bwahahahahaha!!
Just as I thought…YOU’RE GUTLESS. Cheap talk period!
@23jordan, is an Oakland Raider fan ! Who loves to stir up shhh. with the niners blogg..
Because he sucks like the Raiders do! Take your pill…
Jordan23, “its better to be silent and be thought a fool, than to open your mouth and remove all doubt” Mark Twain
Jordo,
I’m still waiting for a response. If you really believe it will happen then put your money where your big MOUTH is!! Come on man…
Yeah Hofer, crickets….lol. He can’t even agree to a bet he will just later welch on. 23J, the board’s gutless wonder.
talk about setting the bar low. if i see the stats right, J.Johnson has attempted a whopping 52 passes in the last 2 years combined. Alex comes back as the incumbent starter, and will get primary reps in camp. if he isnt the starting qb in august, then resigning him for starter money (granted, he’s getting paid less than 18 other starters in the NFL, per CSN website) was a huge mistake. what’s next, taking bets that Alex ends up higher than Tolzein on the depth chart? go out on a limb, why dont you! :-)
fesnyc,
So why did JH sign him? Oh that’s right, a camp arm. You will see. Hopefully you can support Josh, the new starter, like you did Smith, the old one.
Unless he wins a SB, which I doubt.
I’m not an AS fan, but I think Ginn resigning was more valuable to the team than this one.
NINERS SIGN JOE SMOE AT QB. SAVE THE MONEY AND SPEND IT ON STANTON. A WAY BETTER QB THEN JJ. JETS GONNA TRADE HIM. DAMN IT, I WANTED HIM. NOT JJ THE SUBPAR BACK UP. . THE MORE I THINK ABOUT IT, ALEX, JJ, COLIN, AND TOLZIEN, THATS A BUNCH OF GREAT BACKUPS. ALEX BETTER BUST OUT 25TDS 8PICKS 3700 YDS THIS YEAR OR TRENT DILFER WILL START. HA HA
You must be kidding. Not even Miami could find a spot for this guy. Should have saved the money. How many San Diego University (not SDSU) are even in the NFL? Very questionable signing.
So you don’t trust JH??
Another wasted roster spot!
Betcha CK gets traded.
Good call!! That’s what I’m thinking. Based on timing, it has draft day trade all over it! Hmm.
Why not trade Smith???
It’s possible, he is the only QB on the roster that has any trade value.
I meant that about Kaepernick.
Why not trade 23 Jordan?
@dr
1. For what in exchange?
2. Who would want a welcher?
I must be getting dyslexic. I saw “welcher” and read “wheelchair.”
I was going to agree with you. Who needs a wheelchair?? :P
I need a nap and it’s only a little after 10 am.
@Adam
Well shoot.
If you were going to agree with me and you need a nap, I say stay up longer. lol
@23Jordan, Lets make a bet if the niners trade CK, we all don’t want to hear your ignorant comments here anymore, just stay with your sorry a.s.s raiders….
Little Ricky,
The trade might be for Smith after he loses his job in the preseason. Oh that’s right, Alex Smith has no value. He was a sympathy signing. He will be missed, not by me.
Huh, Tory Holt was going on about how well Smith did last season on NFL net this morning.
Guess the Pros don’t know as much as the Schmoes.
Old saying: Start listening to the fans and you’ll soon be sitting with them.
This is excellent news. I was a strong advocate of Josh Johnson last year. Now the competition gets better and better. I like all four of our QBs I kind of wonder if CK becomes trade bait – lets say the Dolphins or the Browns or Jacksonville. AS still is the man but JJ will push him.
Yeah, let’s bring it on. The one that loses (or is traded)may be a surprise!!
JJ had something like 45 TDs(?) to one interception while he played for Harbaugh. I think JJ was in the wrong system is why he hasnt performed.
As I pointed out above, the University of San Diego has a non-scholarship athletic program. JJ may know much of the terminology, but he’s going to need to learn Harbaugh’s NFL offense.
Undercenter,
That was actually the year after herbage left. The one pick was a ball that bounced off a wide receivers shoulder pads.
Under center,
I respect you whole heartedly. Josh will show you who he is. Josh will take Smith’s job. The relationship is over. Watch and see. Watch Josh work. You’ll see. At least I know you’re a Niner fan and not a fan of one player.
I am being optimistic AS will be thrown to the pine by October.
Not sure how an older 5th round guy with pretty much no record beats a high 2nd round guy with… pretty much no record.
But whatever it might be interesting, if nothing else.
I wonder what we could get for CK.
LMAO! Harbaugh has said repeatedly that he was happy with Alex Smiths QB play last year. There is no QB compittion here at all. There is no horse race here at all. Alex Smith is the starter and will be for the next 2 years. What this means is that Harbaugh isn’t happy with Colin Keapernik and Scott Tolzien as the backups and wants a capable backup in case Smith gets hurt. Tolzien prolly wont make outta camp now. This has no bearing on Alex and listening to you guys pretend that it does is freakin hilarious.
@Fred P Soft
No. I still stand to the idea that JH wants competition everywhere.
Fred,
You really are soft, and a hater as well. Let the best man win. Josh is the new QB!
Jordo LOGIC, let’s pay AS $9M to lose out to JJ a guy that the FO signed for basically nothing! MAKES SENSE HUH!
Yeah baby bring on the competition! LOL
@hof
Now, come on.
Your first two words of your post here don’t belong next to one another.
“Jordo LOGIC,”
Even I know that.
Alexfan11,
So we start Smith becuse we pay him the most. You are a real hypocrite indeed. Remember what JH said, remember what your idol said yesterday? “The best player at the position will play!” you are a real clown Alexfan11, a real clown. Credibility=000000.
Will you support the team no matter who the starter is?
Wait… didn’t you all just use the same argument for the Smith vs. Manning competition?
“You think they’d sign a $90 mil guy to ride the pine?”
Huh… seems like the same logic. What’s different? The price tag?
The difference Adam is amount of money. $8 Million dollars was not commitment money. That is why Alex held out. They knew all along when they offered that amount that they were bringing in competition. The amount of money they offered was what they were willing to eat if Alex gets beat out.
Look, no one is hoping Alex fails. I hope he can finally step up and consistently produce finally. All the pieces are there. But if he doesn’t produce, then we have options….
The agenda guys are crystal clear though. They only want Alex to succeed. As much as I’d love CK to be the guy, if he comes in and given a reasonable amount of time still fails, then I say bring in someone else. The Alex guys don’t speak so rationally. They won’t admit the flaws and point blame in every direction possible.
I’ve asked Hofer 8 straight times what Alex’s flaws are and he still can’t answer. Agenda’s quite clear…
There you go again, Grant. Fomenting dissension where none exists.
You are a yellow journalist, and should go work for the National Enquirer rather than the Press Democrat. Frankly, I read PD articles much less frequently than in the past, primarily due to your cynicism. You constantly see everything that happens as a negative reflection on the team you are supposed to be covering. Go be a Raiders fan, if that is how you see the 49ers. The signing of Josh Johnson is simply Harbaugh’s way to improve the team; he coached JJ at UCSD; JJ knows his offensive system; therefore, he sees JJ as a good QB to have on his team. The JJ signing IS NOT an indictment of Alex or CK or Scott Tolzien. As you generally do, you are reading into this signing the worst possible motives rather than the best. Why is that Grant? Do you really go through life believing that people only do things as negative statements on life? According to your apparent philosophy, nobody ever does anything because it is a good thing for all parties concerned. Nobody does anything for positive reasons!
That is a real sad way to live. I feel sorry for you.
Not the only one.
Mike Florio has the same outlook. Maybe Grant should apply there for a job, there is an opening.
..+2…..
I expect that Tolzien goes to the pracice squad (if he clears waivers). That is an indictment of sorts.
I don’t think it has much bearing on Smith’s future.
I have no idea how it impacts Colin K. No one outside the organization knows how he’s progressing, as far as I can tell. 49ers keep even their practices close to the vest under this regime.
It is a genetic defect
I agree. Why even bother posting football related content here? Grant is just throwing out chum, and reeling back troll commentary.
What Harbaugh isn’t happy with is the compitition for 2nd string.
I LOVE THIS SIGNING!!!!!! ROLL OUT THE BALLS AND LET THE BEST MAN WIN. Buwhahahahahahah!!!!!!!!!!!!
Prime, I’m with you. Let’s start the competition NOW!!! Can’t wait…bring it on! WwwwOOOOHHHOOO! Yeah baby! ALL IN! To be the best you have to beat the best! WWWOOOO!
…lol
rick ..
you should call the Geek Squad ..
I’m sure they can fix
your caps lock key !
Baalke and Harbaugh are not foolin around.
They know they have a Super Bowl-quality defense, have spent a lot of draft picks on the OL, will nurse a good RB and probably add to that position, and have started to address the WR position with 2 free agent signings. This team is ready to challenge again. It wont fail in this because they didnt have a stable of QBs.
Alex is obviously the starter, but if he is hurt or falters, its next man up.
Yes sir, that is what it will be.
He’s his dads son that for dam sure. The apple doesn’t fall to far from the tree.
I think the signing is a good one. But its going to take Alex losing games for josh to become a starter. Regardless of Alex’s stats.
Adam707,
Well we all know Alex is familiar with losing games. You sound shallow assuming that if we win close games early and Smiths stats are bad, he will still start. Come on Adam707. I thought you knew more about football than that!
Raider fan 23jordan ! Loves to put his washed up boys in the lime light, but at the end his group of QB’s are all going to be an employed in the NFL..
Smart man tell everyone here why did the TB sign Orlovsky tobe the back up for J Freeman..Thats your boy run to harbaugh, asking him for a job for peanuts…lmao ! Your number clown , just stay in the circus and sell Pop corns thats where you’re good at.. LMAO !
You’re correct, Young Adam. It’s how it works throughout the league. The first man up generally has to play himself out of the game and on to the bench. Based on Smith’s performance (as noted by most of the Pros) last season, he’s the guy unless he somehow collapses. Better system and coaching improved his performance with a very limited offseason last year. I suspect he’ll look even better this year. The improvement at wideout (I hope) which most were asking for (and got) should help. I’m kinda thinking RB in the first round of the draft couldn’t hurt either. Debatable.
This is not completely unlike what the discussion is with Sanchez and Tebow right now other than Tebow has a resume of winning whereas JJ doesn’t have much to show and CK didn’t play last year.
A lot of interesting (and unanswered) questions.
Yours truly,
Old Adam
:P
@Adam707
I (Niners) want to win.
JJohnson NFL career stats:
54.2 % comp
5 TDs
10 INTs
57.7 QBR
8 Fumbles
Yeah, I think AS, CK and ST are *shaking* in their cleats! pfft.
But Hofer, He lit it up against non-scholarship low Div 1-AA talent. Surely he is the upgrade we need : /
Jack, yes he did. Can’t wait for OTAs and TC! Wow – wish it were tomorrow!
You’re the second person to point that out. I’m no longer alone.
Hof, judging by Flynn and Kolb he should have received at least 15 mill.
Andrew, those franchises will always overpay because they are desperate!
He ruled in Pop Warner! Seriously though, he is a good kid with some athletic ability and knowledge of the JH system. He may improve a lot just like Alex did. I’m hoping he does well.
Great! Glad he is on the team. Welcome.
Now what do the haters keep fighting about?
We need a freakin RG bad. Thats what we should be signing. And trust me. alex is on a very long leash. Not 1 of those other QB’s are anywhere close to bein ready to play in an NFL game. No idea why any of you so called niner fans would want to sabotage our team like that
It’s pretty sad
You want a gaurd Soft, I think Mark Asper out of Oregon might just be your man, he can play tackle also. Should be able to get him in the fourth round.
I like Asper also. Very underrated in my opinion. I watched every Duck game last year and Asper was their best o-lineman. Don’t know why he has not received more love.
probably because the QB was too mobile to get a consistent read on asper
“No idea why any of you so called niner fans would want to sabotage our team like that”
As I’ve said since last year it’s an agenda based on having to be proven right. That’s more important than the team going 13-3. Obviously it has nothing to do with football – all these types have to do is listen to the objective pros on the radio or TV – hell listen the THE GREATEST OF ALL TIME on the topic of Smith for God’s sake. How much more of an authority do you need??
Some people take a position and then will never be reasoned with. They can be proven wrong over and over and over and it won’t matter – ever. It’s clearly delusional but it’s an ego thing, so there ya go.
@Adam
“Some people just want to watch the world burn.”
- Batman – The Dark Knight
Might apply to one or two people here, I’d say.
Have some patience. Last year people were panicking that we needed a CB and eventually we got Rodgers and he had a pro bowl year. Trust in TB & JH, I’m sure they are aware of this and have a plan.
With Ted Ginn, coming back, no more KW seeya dude, hope you never ever have a chance to return punts again.
Good stats. Two INT’s to every TD. Cohn’s guy may create competition but it will be in the defensive backfield.
STATS PCT YDS AVG TD INT RAT
2011 Season 52.8 246 6.8 1 2 60.6
Career 54.2 1042 5.9 5 10 57.7
Hope they keep. Tolzien. I see he is currently on the roster.
Man whats this blog coming to, I am agreeing with 23Jordan. Your right Jordan there is a decent chance he starts this year.
Under center,
This is an offense that Josh Johnson mastered. His Sr. Season, after Harbaugh left for Stanford, Josh threw for 45 touchdowns and 1 interception in this offense. The 1 pick was a pass that bounced off his receivers shoulder pads and bounced in the air. If he cant succeed in this offense, he won’t be in the NFL. Get your popcorn ready!
the competition will be for backup QB. The Niners didn’t sign Alex to that contract to actually have him be a backup. Johnson will “compete” for the starting job the same way that Larry Grant will compete with Bowman for the starting LB job.
+1
Yes Brady. Thanks for that.
This is a move to get CK off the dime. AS isn’t going anywhere and CK doesn’t look like much competition this year. But what happens to poor ST??
Tolzien is better thanCK. CK is better trade bait.
Remember Tolzien came from a WCO at Wisconsin. Has
been in WCO type system for a long time. Besides he looked smooth as silk against us in SD.
Yeah Hofer,
It couldn’t be to motivate the QB that the FO was try to replace completely.
In fact Hofer go ahead and embellish those contract numbers again. Alex fan…
Same bet for you Bay that I offered Jordo below. Are you all talk or are you a taker??! Come on man!
Hofer I accept nothing from you because you are an exposed fraud.
1. In your opinion what are Alex’s weaknesses as a QB. Things he needs to work on?
2. Are you tied to Alex through friends or family?
Scott Tolzien is garbage, which is why he went undrafted. You guys over value him because he poses no threat to Smith. Go team! Lol.
Competition is competition. I wouldn’t throw ST under the bus just yet.
Eye roll….except when it isn’t a competition. Tolzien is Pat Devlin part 2.
ST won the Johony Unites award as the most accurate college football QB in th nation when he graduated. ST looked really sharp for the chargers when they allmost beat us. St can THROW THEBALL very well under pressure. may thebest man win.
@56niner
Johnny U-N-I-T-A-S
Andrew, Glad you did that instead of me, lol!!!
Yeah well Devlin made a team so there ya go.
There’s no one at this level that is “garbage.” They’ve all worked hard to get here, regardless of where they are in the order.
Tolzien had a decent Combine and some thought he could go as early as 5th round. Basically where JJ got drafted a few years ago.
I agree with the sentiments that this may be more about CK. JJ won’t be happy as a 3rd stringer – he can’t go backward without really looking foolish. He has to take CKs #2. If not this was a waste of time.
Pat Devlin is on the Miami PS. The same team that just signed David Garrard to compete with Matt Moore. The dude wasn’t even drafted, just like Tolzien. There is a reason 253 players were chosen and he wasn’t.
First of all JJ has not played well when he got a couple chances in the NFL.Alex also couldnt play well in his first 6-7 years either but did fair last year. Maybe being back with JH will make the real JJ come out,who knows?
What I do love is now we have two QB,s that can fly and scramble and have arms . Wheather or not those 2(kaep,JJ),can play top of the line QB in the NFL remains to be seen. But that goes for Alex as well.
I hate to lose Tolzien since I thought he would be a very good long term backup for Kaep. I guess anything could possibly happen in camp! This is fun!
If at some time in the future that offense is tailored for Kaep/JJ then the one not starting will be a very smooth transition since their styles are similar. That might be part of the thinking. Also, I think Harbaugh wants to work with JJ again. He’s referred to it as a father son relationship in the past.
Actually htwaits I think Alex is also in the same mode as CK and JJ. He’s an athletic guy who can run and throw on the run.
A trio of Smith, Kaepernick and Johnson would give the 49ers three QBs that could come in without radically changing the playbook. That’s a good thing in the NFL because quarterbacks tend to get hurt.
It’s also a good thing just in case Alex goes back to being Alex.
Common Tim you thought Nate D was the answer…you should be DQ’ed from further QB opinions
EITHER WAY-SMITH AN 8 YR. VETERAN, AND THE QB THAT DID PROTECT THE BALL AND LEAD US TO THE 2 FUMBLE PROMISE LAND WILL B OUR BEST OPTION. JJ JUST LIKE SMITH HAS A LIL POTENTIAL, BUT HE WONT B A STARTER FOR US. BET MY RIGHT NUT ON THAT ONE. I THINK WITH A FEW MORE TARGETS OTHER THAN VD MAY HELD SMITH. IT CANT HURT. SMITH IS SMART, SO LETS HOPE HE STARTS READING DEFENSES AND GETS BETTER AT THAT SIDELINE 9 ROUTE. TIME WILL TELL BUT JJ WONT B STARTING. COLIN CAME FROM A PISTOL PROGRAM, BUT HE IS ATHLETIC AND HAS A GUN, ALL 3 QBS ARE ATHLETIC. SO MAY THE BEST 1 WIN AND AS OF NOW, THATS AS U ALL!
Why the shouting?
He’s jacked up and he’s right.
Jack, always with the cheap shot! Any opinions of your own? Football knowledge? Anything?
Hofer, Settle down and look at my opinion and football take below and answer the question please.
I can’t wait for Josh Johnson to throw his TD’s against 5th/6th stringers in the preseason and everybody on here and the webzone to begin their next Kory Sheets/Nate Davis/Cody Pickett “undiscovered hero” act.
that’s funny but true
+1
Tim, Jordo, all the 3rd string-lovers will be all over themselves.
Ok I’m no gettIng into feelings. You have to create competition at every position. Well done Ninere brass.
Yep, after the AS contract, this sends a signal. If they were all in for JJ, why finalize a contract with AS just kick him to the curb right?!!
This is to light a fire under CK! Wow.
Hofer…Relax man, it will be okay.
Jack, I’m loving it. What’s happened to common sense and LOGIC. It’s like taking candy from a baby. SAD!
Hofer, like I said below, As Jeff Garcia was to Bill Walsh, Josh Johnson is to Jim Harbaugh.
Jack, I like your comparison.
Hofer, find one positive comment from you when we were courting Payton Manning. I mean, you are a 49er fan right? You support the front office right? WRONG! You support Smith. You hide it behind a nice manner, but it doesn’t change that fact that you are as much an Alex first blogger as Oneniner. Just more polite about it.
Thank you Andrew.
Alexfan11,
You are killing me. You are losing your mind aren’t you. Don’t hurt yourself. Get it together dude. This Niner offseason is kicking your azz. Both you and Alex.
JJ is taking a big risk. There’s no guarantee he can beat CK out as #2.
I can’t imagine they guaranteed this guy anything. If he can’t beat out CK for #2? Then what? This dude wasn’t happy being the #2 in Tampa but couldn’t do anything to change it. I can’t imagine this guy being OK with #3? Tolzien’s college tape looks just as impressive as a lot of other guys, JJ may not even be able to move him.
Camp arm would be pretty cruel, JJ’s wanted to be back with Harbaugh.
Dunno. This is a weird one.
Tolzien has practice squad eligibility according to Barrows, since he was inactive for every game.
Jordan,
BTW nice call on JJ coming over.
Thanks bro,
Just know that he’s from Oakland and he came for a reason.
Bet this guy doesn’t make the roster. Hope the contract was only in effect if he does. Always need someone to throw in camp. If any of you saw him play for TB, then you know he is not an NFL calibre QB.
How much? Name your price?
Johnson might not be the best answer in the world, but maybe Harbaugh feels he can give the team more than 3100 yards and 17 TDs. We shall see.
9er1,
Thats what the Smith fans can’t see. JJ doesn’t have to be Peyton Manning. He just has to be better than Alex. That’s not a tough nut to crack. Someone check on Alex. He has to be mentally drained.
All he had to do was be better than the other Josh in Tampa, too.
That worked well.
Hofer – you’ve got to admit this signing sends a message to Smith: “You must improve. Matching your production from last season will not cut it.” Signing Johnson lights a fire under all the Niners’ QBs – not just CK.
Not logical GC. Read below…
Of course it’s logical. If they were satisfied with Smith they would have given him a five-year contract and they wouldn’t have signed another QB to a two-year contract. They’re demanding improvement from Smith. They want Johnson to push him, not just Kaepernick.
GC, you are WRONG WRONG WRONG – respectfully of course. There is absolutely no GM of the 32 teams that would give a QB $9M guarantee if they can sign a Walmart discount guy and start him. We’ll just have to agree to disagree on this one!
There are also no other NFL GMs that would give Alex Smith $9 million guaranteed except for Trent Baalke. They brought back Smith because he’s the incumbent and they were successful with him. But he’ll need to keep winning and improving his production to keep his job. If he continues to rank near the bottom of the league in third down and red zone production and the Niners happen to lose a couple of games in a row during their brutal schedule, I’m betting Harbaugh gets antsy. He can’t let a QB hold the whole team back (not saying Alex Smith will hold the team back – that’s just the worst case scenario.)
Hofer, you are starting to embarrass yourself. Take a break, seriously. You are getting too invested in this and looking silly.
“GC, you are WRONG WRONG WRONG…”
Jack, do you have an OPINION or do you just sit on the fence? BTW, quit playing referee. No one needs your help!
Hofer, I will say it for a third time and maybe you will finally get my opinion. Jim Harbaugh sees Johnson just as Bill Walsh saw Jeff Garcia, as a guy who played great in college, is undervalued and in the right kind of system could help a team.
Do I think he will start? No, but he will push Kaepernick and Tolzien, and should something happen to Alex, then maybe he steps in and becomes the next Jeff Garcia.
Let me ask you one question, Do you believe that Jim Harbaugh can evaluate QB’s?
Hofer, Answer the question, Do you believe that Jim Harbaugh can evaluate QB’s? It is a simple yes or no question.
Jack, quit playing Alex Trebek and post something instead of being an instigator. I’m not interested!
Hofer, Instigator? Just asking you a question, what is your problem? It is very simple, Do you think that Jim Harbaugh is a good evaluator of QB’s?
Alexfan11,
You have completely lost it. Watch Josh Johnson go get that starting job from the fraud Elite Alex.
Grant,
You can’t talk to Hofer right now, he’s a wounded dog. 1st by manning, now by Josh Johnson. He thinks that we are going to stand by Nd watch Smith stink without replacing him because he’s making 9 mil. He better be careful, he might be a camp casuality. He can have that 9$ mil. This is a business!!!
23j/LowHangingFruit, I responded to your bet request check it out and let me know. Johnson will not beat out Smith. Sorry clown, BWAHAHAHAHAHAHA!!!!
Are there still a bunch of Jack Hammers and alt accounts?
Totally confused by some of these responses.
“GC, you are WRONG WRONG WRONG…”
Like he hasn’t been in the recent past? 40% chance that Alex resigns… 9ers MUST sign Tebow…. I could go on, but with deference to Grant don’t want to further embarrass him.
I agree. I think Alex gets the message. They didn’t rush to give in to his contract demands. There is now plenty of competition at QB. I like what Harbaugh is doing. Build up Alex’s confidence, but let him know he has to produce. I’m excited! I wish we could keep all four quarterbacks. I would really like to see more of Tolzein this preseason.
I wonder if Harbaugh will be doing the Walsh trick of making a backup QB look like a world-beater, then trading him for value.
I wonder if Tolzien is practice squad eligible. Would be nice to see him stick around.
Of course, if he’s any good some team would snag him of the PS. Nevermind.
I believe he is eligible. I’d imagine that’s the scenario that will play out.
Not eligble
Section 4. Eligibility:
(a) The Practice Squad shall consist of the following players, provided that they have not served more than two previous seasons on a Practice Squad: (i) players who do not have an Accrued Season of NFL experience; and (ii) free agent players who were on the Active List for fewer than nine regular season games during their only Accrued Season(s). An otherwise eligible player may be a Practice Squad player for a third season only if the Club by which he is employed
I don’t think he was ever activated. They all traveled but that doesn’t count.
Seems like you can’t have actually played more than 8 or 9 games. He didn’t play any games.
previous nfl accomplishments doesn’t support ur thesis grant
Grant, No disrespect to you ! But you know what, logically, do you honestly believe that they 49ers believe that CK is their future QB??? The answer is no.. They are keeping Scott Tolzien in the wing for the future.. Guarantee the niners will trade CK on draft day together with the 30th pick for David Decastro G from Stanford.. They signed JJ for the safety valve, just in case something happen to A. Smith they have a backup.. 2 to 3 years Scott Tolzien will be a legit back up for Harbaugh and teh niners..
Harbaugh & Baalke is showing no respect to the 2 young QB CK & ST, theres no loyalty to their players, its all bussiness.. Ray Ratto was right on KNBR the other day telling CK its all bussiness its time for him to move on..Ray you’re right..
Grant,
You are trying to rationalize with someone who is hurt and can’t reson. You’ve been reading Hofers comments for over a year. He is out of character right now.he is clearly bias and clear a Smither. He knows his QB is in trouble.
Dude. Seriously, you’re nuts.
Give it a rest.
THINK about fellow bloggers, WHY would the FO have to give AS a guarantee of $9M (or $16M) this year if they were going to sing JJ today to take over the starting position??? Is that logical?!!
OR
Is it to light a fire under someone else?? Hmm.
Kapaernick is sweating bullets tonight.
thats what I am thinking
YOU GOT THAT right! I’m an *all business* guy and it is always about bottom line to me and you don’t sign a guy for $1M after giving your playoff QB $9M and then expect that he will displace the starting QB. Just won’t happen. When the fellow bloggers sleep on it they will get it!
…Hof is right…..especially after all the drama last week…..and the fact the niners actually increased the offer on the table…….
……obviously Grant has no clue…..he knows jordan is the reason this blog is full of nasty controversial comments……he needs to back up jordan or else this blog will actually turn back to a place where logical comments can be discussed…….and as you can see Grants posts the last couple of weeks have been a lil retarded…..
$9 Mill Hofer for one last year. One last year to prove.
Get on your soap box Hof and explain how Alex is the long term QB again Hofer? Wrong again.
When backed into a corner I would have expected rational compromise from you, but you are losing it and you look bad. But go ahead argue with bloggers, argue with the blog reporter. Very DS like Hofer.
Bay are you going to bet or are you running from your comments like you mentor Jordo. Speak up..
Be respectful, stop your avoidance. Answer my questions and then I’ll talk to you about a bet.
Your head coach told every player on this team, and Alex just repeated it yesterday in his conference call. “Every position is open on this team and may the best man win!”
Hofer is a wounded dog. He can’t deal with facts. Hofer, do you trust JH?
Why did you avoid Jack’s question about JH being a good QB evaluator? Seems pretty harmless. I’ll answer yes he is. To assume that JH is trying to send a message to AS is just pure speculation. JH must feel he is a good addition and better that one of the other 2 backups. If it does motivate Alex that’s a bonus.
MauiDave,
Well said! You should post more often I enjoy your reads!
As Jeff Garcia was to Bill Walsh, Josh Johnson is to Jim Harbaugh?
jack
Why do you keep saying this? And FYI, I liked Garcia a lot.
DS, Jim Harbaugh sees Johnson just as Bill Walsh saw Jeff Garcia, as a guy who played great in college, is undervalued and in the right kind of system could help a team. He will compete for a backup spot and if he earns it and something happens to Smith he will play.
I liked Garcia a lot too, but I was biased because I grew up in the same town, watched him in high school, junior college and at SJSU, and our parents were friends since high school. If not for the belief of Bill Walsh, Garcia never would have been in the NFL.
@Jack
So you were a coach at a school in the Garlic Capital of the World? In Gilroy?
If you are not making all that up, that is pretty cool stuff there Jack!
And even if you were, who cares! It is still a cool read.
: – )
DS, Thanks. Yes I grew up there, but coached elsewhere. My brother played for his dad at Gavilan, and his dad helped me out a bunch both as a player and later as a coach.
My brother and I had been season ticket holders since ’85 so in ’99, to see someone we knew actually playing for the 49ers was wild.
His first regular season start against Tennessee was awesome, but then the wheels came off, until he got going again at the end of the year. Do you remember those days?
He was ripped apart just like Smith early on. Then when Walsh got the team back together they made a little run. People tend to only remember the way things are towards the end, when he was a Pro Bowler, but forget the bad stuff from early on.
For the sake of the 49ers I sure hope Smith makes everyone forget those early, awful years.
If you ever get a chance to see Garcia again, send out plenty of thank you’s from this weird guy on a blog I spend time on.
Garcia is kinda like AS to me. Both just never stop and give their all. Their personalities are different, but I always knew that Garcia would put every effort his body could into every play in every game. If he couldn’t do it, I know it wasn’t because he didn’t give his all. That is all I can ask for from any player.
Maybe the player doesn’t have what it takes, but I won’t rip a guy who played like Garcia. Never.
P.S. I thought Garcia could have become a HOF player if York had not fired Mooch and that team could have stayed together. That was a very talented and young team. Much like what we have now.
Comparing Jeff Garcia to a nobody like JJ is an insult to a guy who won an NFL playoff game and the Grey Cup. Has JJ even won a game.
See this for what it is, a guy to throw in camp. Nothing more.
McCabe,
Funny how some people forget history. When Garcia was signed they said the same thing about him, then Aeneas Williams came along….
Jack,
I’ll bet you $500 Josh Johnson makes this team. He will challenge for the starting position. I have a Paypal account. Put you money where your mouth is.
23j/LowHangingFruit, Like I have been telling you, he was brought in to challenge Tolzien for #3, and push Kaepernick. If you want to bet on him challenging for the starting spot, you are on. How will the winner be decided?
My issue with you regarding Johnson is how you think he is better than Smith. I don’t see it. He was brought in to help make the QB position solid from 1-3, and if he does that, I am all for it.
Jack,
You’re the wrong jack. I wasn’t talking to you. I’m talkingto Jack McCabe.
We will see what Josh is here for. When alex craps his pants In the preseason and starts getting booed, you will know.
They all see the genius in me so much they are trying to steal my identity now!!!
>>I’ll bet you $500 Josh Johnson makes this team
In other words he’s this year’s Tolzein. Hedging a bit from “JJ is taking AS’s starting role.” Lost your faith???? lololol.
How about higher stakes, welcher? $500 says Alex is season starter and not JJ. Take that bet?
I didn’t think so.
JGwindsor:
you are right. Kaep and JJ are the ND we never got. Who knows if we will ever get either of these two either but they sure are my kind of QB’s,QB’s that can move and scramble and have great arms.But although those things are preferred by me they are no guarantee that they have all the other things it takes to make it big in the NFL. But a great arm and and great atheletism is a great place to start. We will see when they get in games. Great stable of young talent at 2-4 right now !
I wouldn’t wanted to miss Montana because he didn’t have a monster arm or amazing athleticism.
For some reason this is the day and age of the sub 4.5 40 and laser armed QB. They forget that the best ever had an average arm and a 4.8 40. Last I looked PM, EM, TBrady, etc, are pocket guys. It will be interesting if the raw athletic guys get over the hump.
@Tim, he got no NFL intelligence to read a NFL defense, buy maybe Harbaugh can pump up his shoulder pads too.
MwNiner, just like alot of so called fans on this site, you would rather talk about caps LOCK THEN 49er FOOTBALL. GEEK SQAUD? HA. here buddy is dis better u poor bastard? Its my phone. I have a buddy who is 60 percent blind so when I text him i do it IN CAPS. Just like jJ, wHAt a WaSte of space. ha ha ha. Go 49Ers!
I agree that Mr. Tolzein and Mr. Kaepernick are the two QB’s on this roster that are gonna have temperatures of 103 all summer long. One is gone unless they plan on keeping 4 QB’s on the roster. Now with the 1st Round pick they can hope another Aldon Smith drops into their lap. That would be ideal. Need another OLB/Elephant dude. If not and there is that 1st Round Guard that slipped and fell into my lap I’d take him. Absent that I’d take Fleener if he’s there but I would not trade up for him. So OLB/RG/WR we can all agree are must hit draft pick positions. Running back would be my next position and this too could be considered a must hit draft pick in Round 4. After that looking for that Corner/KR or Safety, DT. In my opinion Mr. Baalke and staff are working very hard for Jim and I am very pleased with the improvements ‘on paper’ that they have made thus far. This team should be ready for the Gods Of The Arena. May this team be the best of the 32 and may the best team win.
Maybe they dont like Tolzien
Prime:
I agree that JJ has certainly not shown much in his NFL career. But I do agree with one thing Jordan said,that JJ wanted to come here to compete for a starting spot. He could have stayed in Tampa but he knew he would never get a chance to unseat Freeman. Let the best man win. There might be a surprise but I doubt it . Alex starts but in 2013 all bets are off.
Tim,
Get your popcorn ready son. You still don’t see it. Alex has been done. Alex is over.
Nuts.
According to Matt Maiocco, the 49ers can part with Alex Smith after the 2012 season for $1M if they do it before April 1, 2013. Smith is guaranteed $9.5M for 2012. That’s inexpensive starter money, but very expensive backup money.
The Niners need their offense to rise to the middle of the pack. Alex Smith couldn’t bring them to that level last year, but he won so it didn’t matter. If he doesn’t do those two things this year, he’ll get replaced. It doesn’t matter how much he’s earning.
That will happen if they aren’t winning. If they are winning and Alex hasn’t made enough improvement then 2013 before April 1 is the termination date.
They need to their passing attempts to be at least in the middle of the pack for their offense to rise there. This past year was a feeling out process. Question is, if he does those two things and more, will they need to pay him more?
GC,
You have good sound football knowledge for a young man…..
The one mistake that will be tough for you to live down is the first picture you posted of yourself on this blog. It was bad brother!!!! Bad!
I can live with that.
Grant,
Hofer doesn’t believe that. No, he’s just in denial. Alex won’t win the job. If they give it to him to start the season, our competition we face will bench him. You can’t repair the flaws Smith has. You can’t make him see the field, lead receivers, throw receivers open, pull the trigger!
Wouldn’t be the first SF team to have an expensive back-up (cough, cough…Zito…)
Not that I see that happening with the Niners.
Going in to camp Alex will be the #1 QB. For Josh to take the job he will have to dazzle the whole entire team and coaching staff, and Alex will have had to regress from last year. I’m all for Josh being our starter if he in fact makes us a better team than Alex does.
Using JJ stats till now are a little irrelevent because he has been on a bad team and never really given a good opportunity to play. And he has a limited body of work, He clearly has alot of potential if he is still in the NFL. We should all wants what is best for the team. Whther that be Smith or JJ. I picture Smith starting and playing every game but who knows
@Adam707
Know which other QB on the Niners fit the description of your 2nd paragraph?
Haha i know. Different situations though
And the Joshexcuses are starting!
ADAM707,
Now that is the Adam I know. Always neutral, always Niners 1st. That why I repect you but I’m gonna give you that bet and you are going to lose. Just like the last bet ! Lol.
We got the most athletic QB group in the League. I’m getting tired of all this AS Bashing. Go back and look at his stats since middle of 09 season. 2nd Best Red Zone QB rating n the League. Last year was more about conservative play calling in the Red Zone than Alex. Is Alex an elite QB? No. However is a good QB. When we get an elite QB on the roster that is better than AS , let me know. Tell then Support our current 9ers. Support our current QB! Be true fans! Stop the hating and the Soap Opera Drama! Go 9ers!
@bigmike
I see nothing wrong in that post.
bigMike,
Well said! You are way too logical for this group.
thanks>>>>>>>. True 49er fans got to stick together and stick by our team. Win or lose I am a 9er fan. I support my team and this is best we have been in a long time. So why is everyone complaining?
Big Mike,
Yeah I hear ya. Enjoy the ride is the best way to look at it. Looking forward to the draft, OTAs, and TC. Go 9ers!
BigMike,
Answer this question. Why were we conservative in the red zone?Especially if you feel like Alex was so effective in it the last year.
He was better is the red zone the season before because we were always playing from behind most games and defenses were in the prevent. We played from behind almost all season.
interesting 23j…
so last year behind on the scoreboard a lot so more passing in redzone and offense did well with a tendency towards passing
this year not behind so much, therefore, more ball control meaning a tendency towards running plays in the redzone in a supposedy power centric offense scheme and the results not so good….
that is a chink in the armor of your argument from my perspective
..”Go back and look at his stats since middle of 09 season. 2nd Best Red Zone QB rating n the League. Last year was more about conservative play calling in the Red Zone than Alex”….
..its funny how Grant never responds to facts…….
Exactly right Grant.I think you are just stating the truth and not hating on Alex at all. But it sure is working out well for your site hits that Alex looks to not be the long term plan of the HC and FO. :).
Jim Harbaugh made it clear to newly signed QB Josh Johnson that Alex Smith is the 49ers’ starter. http://t.co/4GkXejyE
Go9, of course he did. In the meantime, Jordo wet himself getting all excited about some competition for CK. lol
Yeah… were Harbaugh’s lips moving?
Just checking.
hard to say his arms and legs were moving quite competitively on the racquetball court probably exchanging barbs with CK, JJ and AS
First of all, this 23 jordan character is shady because he already should be observing a self imposed ban from this site after smith returned, it is 2012, he IS on the roster. Mr. Cohn, if Alex Smith repeated his stats with a 90 QB rating 17 td’s and only 5 picks and then you take into consideration the weird incidences like braylon edwards’ clueless plays on a few nicely thrown end zone fades etc. you could easily be looking at a 92, 20, 5 kinda year with still 3000+ yards. NOW… if he simply matched his production but throwing was a more viable option by play call alone, then instead of the 31st most attempts in the league, the team could vault to 15th or something in attempts and Smith is at 3500+ guaranteed with 25 and 7. That’s a great year. Any better than that and he starts threatening franchise records.
Josh Johnson is simply insurance and camp competition as many have observed already. He is familiar with Harbaugh yes, he is mobile yes, and has a good arm yes. So we now have 3 fast, athletic, strong-armed qb’s which is ideal. You never want to have to change the timing on PA call etc just to match the new signal caller. This is beatiful because Harbaugh is creating a machine. If Smith goes down, Kaepernick is not guaranteed to be there as the backup, he must battle Johnson. If Tolzien earns a roster spot in camp, all the better.
Get your popcorn jordan! because you’ll need something to deal with your stress (and apparent oral fixation) when you have to deal with watching Smith rip the league up this year.
Bently you’re a clown. Which games were you looking at where you saw smith throw Braylon a nice fade pass. Even the biggest lovers of smith on this blog will tell you that the passes were waaaay off target. I didnt even bother to read the rest of your post because you clearly are an alex lover. You exaggerate his play. Be gone son!
Oops, he owned you on that one, son.
Wrong on the fades too, Jordan. There’s a difference between a fade route and a curl.
nice
DS:
No comparrison,Alex sucked for over 40-50 games , while JJ sucked for a few games.That 2nd paragraph you referred to had no comparrison to anyone on our roster.Lets dwell on the fact that maybe JH can get the best out of JJ like he did Alex.
No Tim
A number of posts have broken down AS play. The last 3 years, (38 games) AS has a winning record. Add to that the fact that AS did not start and finish all those games (meaning things happened without him having a chance to respond) and the numbers are even better.
TD:Int ratio, Wins. Effort. All up. All what winning QBs do.
JJ has shown nothing good from limited play time. That is all that anybody can say. This BS (for you 23J) that he is great or can do this or that, or that he sucks to high heaven are just stupid things. Not enough data to make a conclusion. Of course there might be a good reason why he has limited time that may reveal him not to be good enough.
But, that is all conjecture at this point. What is not conjecture is that AS has played very well for a while now, and won a lot of games despite being in the worst situation any expert can come up with.
BS,
Alex didn’t win shi-. He a Jr game manager. You clowns don’t get that. What’s wrong with you BS? you need another nap. take a vacation. You’re killing me with your lack of football knowledge. Beat it idiot!
welcher man
Tim we all know about the problems with Alex and I certainly dont want to bore you with what you call excuses. JJ was not in the best system like Alex wasnt. In this day and age most QBs are system QBs. They will excell in one system and a complete flop in another system. I suspect Alex will improve greatly and I see JJ moving into the number two spot and pushing Alex big time. CK is not a third string QB. I suspect we are going to see a trade soon if not early next season. I personally think going into next season its going to be AS starting JJ pushing his butt and ST hanging in there.
Bay:
But Hof is sooooooooo much more polite than Jordan ! :)
Tim, is that suppose to be a joke? When have I called anyone names Tim? Really Tim!?? Speak the truth for once without backhanded compliments ok!
…why do you care?…i thought it wasn’t about you
I could get along without either one of them. Or I would be very happy if Hof would never reply to Jordan again. That would go a long way to cleaning up the puppy do-do in this blog.
HT, thanks not a bad thought!
Hofer= Alexfan11,
Your lapdog BS told you to do that a long time ago.I don’t give a damn if you respond or not. You clowns don’t get that. I’m going to post what I want regardless. I don’t sit around and wait for responses. I post what I feel and I relax. I have a life, unlike DS, I mean BS, who posts here 24-7!
Oh and Tim, i think its not that Alex is or isn’t in the long term future plans of the FO, moreso, they just aren’t sure what they have. Smith before ’08 or Smith after ’08? If you consider his career since that year he completely missed, he is going into his 4th year with a career rating of like 86 and getting better… you throw in those first 3 with the injuries and the coaches etc 21 year old baby faced kid, it gets weird.
Point is, this deal is ideal because if AS does tear it up for one or two years at a probowl level, you don’t have to deal with him holding out or restructuring, you just throw it out and sign him again for upper tier money. If he doesn’t deliver you just throw him out.
Pretty sure that at the end of the day, to a man, the FO would LOVE to see Alex Smith surpass expectations and be somewhere between Garcia and Young in the near future. They root for him. He’s our starting QB. Im just a realist.
Bently ,
It takes 10 years for NFL executives to see what they have in Smith. That’s a joke. Trust me, we know what we have in Smith. Take another look at that contract. He’s done, he’s over. Did you see him wandering around in free agency. This kid is fried. He’s hurt, confused, distraught and dejected. He might be on suicide watch. Did you hear him lie in the conference call yesterday. He wanted to compete with Peyton manning?!?!?!? He didn’t even realize that his azz was getting cut as soon as the Niners would’ve signed Manning! He’s lost, he’s washed up!
Amen brother. Amen. Thought he was going to compete with PM lol.
No QB that’s not named Smith beats him in training camp.
Razor,
Josh is gonna outplay Smith as well. It’s just a matter of whether or not JH has the nuts to give the right man, the winner, the job. We shall see.
So now your sorry a– is going to call out Harbaugh? C’mon son, Put down that Natural Light and quit making yourself look like a clown.
I’m thinking, all these nonsense wanna be famous reality tv shows should be thrown in the deep, deep ocean. Now imagine a reality series with JH and Baalke, it would be like the Saturday matinee cliffhangers of the 1940′s.
Hof: I was serious.You are very polite and Jordan is not. Thats what Bay said. Except now you jump on me because YOU misunderstand my post. Maybe I should take back my compliment ?
You’re just to good at disguising your sincerity. I’ve admired your disguise for some time now, but I must admit that I’ve never thought of it as a straight forward disguise — more of a crooked one.
Tim,
You’re a clown. Stop kissing so much azz. You make yourself look bad. You get hammered on every blog on every sports site here in the bay area. Nobody respects you or your azz kissing. Get off the fence. You can’t be everyones friend. I just told you that you were the laughing stock of bay are blogs. Did you even know that?
…nice…the battle of the Haters!!!!…..Tim vz Jordan……
Tim, take Jordy’s advice, you can’t be everyone’s friend and it’s easy to dislike him. He practically makes it an invitation.
Sad, actually.
Grant, given your recent track record on personnel matters, if you think JJ poses a threat or real competition at QB, that probably means its a benign signing. He might push Tolzien out, or he might get traded at the last moment.
As a matter of fact, please stop saying that the 49ers will draft Fleener. Instead say “there’s no way we draft Fleener”. This way come draft day we’ll get the usual opposite of what you say.
What no apology Hof ?
Tim, why state a compliment followed by a happy face…either you aren’t sincere or you are making a joke. If it is neither, thanks for the complement!
DS:
DS:
Alex sucked for 6 years and over 40-50 games Jj sucked for 3-5 games . Hopefully J H can work with both of them and improve their many flaws ?
My wife wouldn’t want me to point out the math error that you’ve made. Please subtract two years (minus two games) from your stunk total.
Tim
Here are AS stats. Pay especially attention to the TD/INT and games played the last 3 years.
http://www.nfl.com/player/alexsmith/2506340/careerstats
The Niners record the last 3 years was
8-8, 6-10, 13-3
That is 27-21 0.5628 win%
For comparison purposes the record of the NY Giants last year 9-7 (win % 0.5625)
Interesting isn’t it Tim.
AS record the last 3 years is 0.5628 (0.563) vs. EM lead Super Bowl team this year is 0.5625 (0.563). And they both met in the title game and played each other to a draw as much as two teams can.
And AS sucks the last 3 years?
Explain Tim. Using the data I provided how that works.
DS I’ll let the FO explain instead. Not good enough. No long term contract. No interest from around the league. Sorry X-ilicious
Can’t stay away lately can you bay?
Please do.
LOL Ds you always seem to pull out half stas to make your arguement look good. This record your posting. How many of those wins were against crap teams? How good were his stats againts good teams? You know those stats came from blowout games that were over at halftime. You pulled out a couple of Mannings stats and buried his lifetime achievments. Lets pull out Smiths lifetime stats and see what we get…….Oh thats right the excuses will come flying out. Some of you Smith fans are pretty smart. But being a true fan I can see what youguys are doing. So how about it DS wanna pull out ALL of Smiths stats? Because if your going to use his stats when Sing and Raye were here, then the OC and coach excuse are done.
@md
The record we posted was against the teams we were scheduled to play.
No different from the teams the GB Packers faced this year. Yeah. How good were those teams by the way when the Pack played them? Chicago had lost their starting QB and RB when the Pack played them. Detroit’s great D at the start of the season was all gone by the end. Those are 4 easy games.
Look at our division. Both Seattle and AZ were a lot harder as the season progressed. The opposition we faced was a lot greater than the opposition the Pack faced from Det or Chicago when they played them.
Anyway, the Niners beat the darling Super Bowl team Saints, so why does it matter? If you want to play the schedule game, then I can find you a bunch of experts who can point to the Niners teams of the 90′s. Our division stank big time. 6 easy wins right there. You go 4-6 the rest of the way (would include bad teams as well as good teams) and you get our 10 win season right there.
Your point?
I pointed to the most recent stats of each player. Unless you are telling me that things that happened a long time ago have a greater ability to tell you the likely results in the near future, your argument really falls apart fast.
Recent data supports recent results, and is the best thing to use to judge near future events. I can find a nice expired drug dose for you to take. Works great when if it isn’t expired. Might kill ya if it is. Wanna take that, or the one that is not expired yet? PM successes are all ancient ones. Against, guess what, really bad teams. AS successes are recent and guess what, are against good teams. The Niners had one of if not the toughest schedules (all 5 east coast games, playing on Thanksgiving on the east coast, and more) in the NFL and the Niners had the 2nd best record in the NFL.
wildly inconsistent
They’re right Tim. It’s more accurate to say Alex stunk for 4.5 years and was injured for 1.5 years.
The 40-50 games is correct though. He stunk until midway through 2010 which was 46 games.
@DS you’re giving Alex credit for games that were won by other quarterbacks. Alex was 5-5 in 2009 and 3-7 in 2010. Including 2011 in the argument is irrelevant as Tim was clearly talking about Alex’ first 6 years. When he stunk.
@msc
2009 Niner 8-8
2009 S (using your numbers which I’ll just go with) 5-5
Same difference.
2010 Niners 6-10 = 0.375
2010 Niners with AS (your number are 3-7) = 0.3
The actual differnce msc in 2010 win % wise is 0.75. Keep in mind that AS had the lead in Carolina when he left the game due to injury and the Niners lost that game which AS gave them the lead in. So, if you either subract that game (he didn’t play the whole time) AS is 3-6 = 0.333. And that winning % differnence drops even more.
Also, remember AS came in to relieve Troy Smith (2nd Rams game) and was behind in that game, and nearly pulled it out at the end. That loss counted against AS as well. Take that loss out and AS is
3-5 = 0.375 AS in 2010
Niners Win % in 2010 = 0.375
Huhh? Same exact winning % as the team overall. Maybe that means something. You think?
Anybody else care to play the numbers game with me at all? Come on, I know you are all just dying to.
msc,
Smith wasn’t great before last season, but the two years previous he was actually starting to improve a great deal. His numbers and rating were on an upward climbe before last season when he was able to put wins together along with the improved numbers.
Alex has never lived up to the draft spot and that is the underlying problem when most fans look at him. Quietly he’s been a much better QB since coming back from his second shoulder surgery and replacing Hill 5 games in to the 09 season.
Tim, JJ can’t suck in games he doesn’t play in. What does it say about a QB that rides the pine behind another sucky QB?
Good question Ribico. What does it say about a quarterback who rode the pine behind Troy Smith and Shaun Hill?
Hof:
You always seem to object to my smiley face ??????? That is just plain weird buddy. I complimented you in a post directed to bayarea and you misunderstood and ripped me. You should apologize. And for future reference,when I podt a smiley face at the end of my post itmeans I am being friendly and smiling . I understand it could be taken as a symbol of sarcasm,so I understand why you made the mistake.
Thanks Tim.
Jordo, speak up, bet or no? I’m sure you’d not pay up just like the last bet correct?
Why don’t you two start your own blog? I’ll bet it would be the talk of the Bay Area.
I think everyone’s missing the obvious. This move is to trade CK. 1) no player has more value then value perceived, and CK’s value is high because has a lot of physical talent and ‘promise/up side’. 2) ST showe JH what he thought he’d see. 3) AS is the best QB he has this year, 4) AS and JJ should be fighting for the starting spot next year, 5) they can get a nice player for CK to move up in the draft. Can’t believe no-one realizes that CK is now trade-up bait. Dang.
I have already stated what you are saying. I also believe CK is going to be trade bait. This could get quite interesting.
Logically it is stacking up that way. TBD.
If the Niners get a #1 for almost any player, I go for it. Especially for a guy who contributed next to nothing for the team on game day and is considered by many to be a project.
@DS
A car loses what 50% once it’s driven off the showroom. If CK could bring in a 4 it would be a great haul.
Ayup Andrew. One of the better inside linebackers in the league just got traded for a #4. I can’t see CK fetching more than a #6.
NFL GMs like the two birds in the bush a lot more than the bird in the hand.
Don’t do that to me Andrew.
I hate cars. Cost me money. I don’t want to associate cars with NFL players. Bad comparison for me.
They aren’t going to trade CK.
think i already lead this charge in grant’s previous article at 7:29pm….tongue in cheek of course….with a hint of wondering
I wonder how cheap did they signed JJ for ? Baalke you’re the man ! The yorks got the right man up there. Doing there kind of bussiness, good job TB..
i wanted this last year.
For some reason tis guy left an impression on me at some point in the past, Before the Bucs decided just cus they drafted some one in the 1st round he must be given the job.
It must have been his 0-5 record. Don’t get me wrong, I think it’s great we have him, and I’m very interested to watch what Harbough can do with him. I see it as a win win.
Sheer,
That is exactly what happen with Freeman. That is exactly why we still have Smith. Watch Josh work. You will be impressed.
We have JJ on the roster and his name is CK! I think we have three young QBs with room to grow and I’m excited. There is nothing wrong with adding talent to your team.
Hof:
I would love being able to comment about Alex or anything 49ers and not have you or DS etc etc jump to the conclusion that I am trying to start an arguement. I am not Jordan or Oneniner and dont treat you or anyone like they routienly treat those who disagree with them. I just state my opinion and sometimes a counter point to those opinions I dont agree with. Nothing personal against those with opossing opinions.I welcome other opinions,how else do we learn?
@Tim
What are you talking about? I have not read all of hofs posts to you, but I don’t know how I got in this.
You are posting to make a comment of some kind, right Tim? If you comment, other people have the right to disagree. If you choose, you can reply to them or ignore them.
Your last post to me was about me being wrong about AS’s games and how long he has really stunk. I replied with the stats and win totals.
@Tim see my respone to you above. Tim what the deal is we all know both sides of the arguments regarding AS. It hasnt changed in months. Your post goes on and on about the same things. You have good arguments not just about AS but other things also. Its old and tiring. I rarely agree with you but the continuing argument about AS is way old. Let it go.
Tim and Hofer are you guys really sad pathetic Raider fans ?
DS
Stats mean little to me. I watched every snap of Alex’s career and I have news for you, imho Alex sucked for 6 years and then had a mediocre year in 2011.Keep quoting stats and I will use the old eyeball test that has worked for me for 45 years .
All I am saying is something ant unbiased fan will admit, that Alex and JJ have flaws in their games and I hope JH can fix them.
You didn’t watch many snaps for two of those years. Maybe you were dreaming.
My eyeball test showed somebody who was getting better with the worse coach and organization in the NFL for quite a long time until now. My eyeballs lead me to think that if AS had a decent chance, he can deliver. Last year he finally had a decent chance (if that because of the lockout) and he took us as close as you can to the Super Bowl game.
Seems my eyes are working just a tad better than yours.
Besides, what do you think of the winning % thing? If you think it is coincidence, it is still pretty cool.
@Tim
I’m using the eyeball test too and that’s with 59 years as a fan, which if you want to mock be my guest. Alex was making great strides in his second year, at the end of that year he beat Seattle and in the last game beat Denver to stop them from making the playoffs. Next year in the first two games he brought the team from behind to win in the final minutes.
Part Two, and this is where most fans start the Alex chronology, the Rocky Bernard hit that cost him 2 years. From then on the story is about Suits and no offensive coordinators and dropping pants and naming yourself the next great Coach, etc. etc. Now a real coach comes on the scene and my eyeball test tells me Alex can do the job when it counts. That mindset did not exist since the “hit”.
Is he slow releasing the ball, yes, does he take too many hits, yes. Would I have rather have Peyton Manning as QB, yes. Do I think this team the way it is made up right now can win a SB with Alex, yes. And you know something, the point is open to debate.
By Jove Andrew!
I believe you’ve got it! I’d like to point out a comment earlier made by oneniner, relating to all the criticism levelled at Smith for red zone woes. In the two years prior, he had the best redzone rating in the nfl, or something like that. Conservative playcalling has as much to do with all hte FG’s last year as anything else.
Yes Angus. Yet Grant does not discuss this. He really should. And he needs to compere those years with last year and find some non-emotional way to describe what he thinks happened.
What is that difference and can AS regain that form? Or much better, can the Niner offense regain that form? Did the change in offensive philosophy result in the huge drop off? Is it some inherent thing that comes with JH’s approach and something that will never go away no matter who the QB may be?
I’m never emotional over football – speak for yourself.
Smith was plain awful in the red zone last year. He was better in the past, but he also threw more picks in the past – 3% for his career, 1% last season. Smith went ultra conservative last year and it led to good and bad – the good was 14 wins and just 5 picks, the bad was the red zone and third down production. Smith can’t repeat last year’s ultra conservative performance. By his own admission he’s going to have to get better in those areas. He must play more aggressively.
1% vs. 3%?
That is your argument Grant?
Knowing full well that the 3% includes an n value that is WAY higher than the 1%.
By the way, that 1% came in a game in which the Niners were clearly going to win the game and AS tried to fit it into MC who had a good game that day, but no TD’s. If not for that, it would be 0% (if you are counting where he threw it, not where the ball landed).
And 2% difference is insignificant. If AS was 96% in getting TD’s in 2013, and 98% in getting TD’s in 2014 (in the redzone), does that mean that AS got WAY better in 2014 compered to 2013? No. It means he is really awesome in both years.
2% means nothing.
Until last season, Alex Smith had thrown more interceptions than touchdowns. In 2011 he threw three times more TDs than picks.
2% means everything for him.
Grant
AS threw more than 320% more TD’s than Int’s this season. And if you remember drs post, he has thrown for a lot more TD’s than Int’s for like a year and half now. If his WR’s could catch the ball, it would have easily been above 400%.
320% is a lot more statistically significant than 2%. It is a what have you done for me lately league and AS delivered a title game and 2nd best record in the NFL.
17 TD passes won’t cut it in 2012. The schedule is too tough.
Neither will 4 dropped TD’s by the playmakers.
And I see no reason why it would not work again. Our schedule last year was not easy. 5 East coast games. Playing on Thanksgiving.
A bunch of those teams Grant we played, were doing well at the time we played them. Regardless of how their record ended. And we got 13-3 from that.
Our division will get tougher. All 3 away games with our division opponents were very hard games. I expect it to be no different next year.
Besides, TD’s don’t guarantee wins. TO’s do. Want to talk about stats, that is the only one worth really discussing. It is true now. It was true 10 years from now. It was true 100 years from now. And it will be true in another 100 years.
DS ; your last post made no sense and couldnt have supposed to have been directed at me. Calm down budits all good and I an not after you .lol.
As a president with a lite case of Alzheimer syndorm once said, “There you go again!”
Is that the same president that starred in “Bedtime for Bonzo?
Is a “syndorm” a college living facility in which sex takes place?
*groan*
Good signing. They needed another vet for the QB position. Now that position is solid with AS, CK, and JJ. Hate to see what that means for ST though.
I think CK is going to shock the Niner nation and take that #1 spot, he has the best physical attributes of any QB on the roster and unlike the other two he has not tasted loosing as a professional. He only knows how to be successful.
According to Matt Maiocco, Harbaugh told JJ that he would not be competing with Alex Smith.
From MM @ CSNBAY:
“Alex Smith remains the 49ers’ undisputed starter.”
“That point was made clear to free-agent quarterback Josh Johnson, who signed a two-year contract with the 49ers on Thursday, a source said.”
Well I guess there isn’t any *competition* except for the backups. Will there be a trade of one of the talented backups? Hmm.
Hofer,
It’s possible, they are the only QB’s with trade value.
Big, good point. I’ve always thought that if AS doesn’t continue to elevate his play this year, they will draft the franchise guy. I guess we’ll find out.
So Hofer, like I said settle down. My question to you about Harbaugh knowing QB’s wasn’t to be a smart a–, but remind you that he knows what he is doing and the “Johnson is going to start” or Alex better watch out crowd” is ridiculous and is not worth getting so excited about.
Isn’t it sad that that even need to be reported? Its Josh Johnson…
tkamb, It had been a slow day and Grant needed to pick up the blog hits….
Stay tuned Alexfan11, WHEN Elite alex vegans to stink in the pre season and you see Josh shine, you will see the light my son. Your boy is done. Get rid of the jersey while you can.
Maybe next we can get 40 yr old PM from Denv after they win 4 SB’s in a row. LOL Enjoyed the debate Jordo!
That makes sense. After trying to replace Alex for four years in a row and then signing a guy that was wildly successful in Harbaugh’s system the team needed to make a statement to boost Alex’ confidence.
After all the “we have no interest in Manning statements” don’t we have to take their public comments with a grain of salt and wash it down with just a hint of doubt?
Yes we do, 49erGirl.
Ht:
yep Iw as dreaming we get a real qb and now my dream has come true with kaep and tolzien and maybe now jj?
A real qb like in a real he-man? :-}
You need glasses . :) difference of opinion. We will just leave it at that, ok
Your opinion reeks of vodka and orange juice, put down the bottle down Tim and get some freash air.
Latino,
you just came into this room. A lot of us have been here for a few years. My advice to you is come in humble and feel it out before you start attacking folks.
Oh and maybe you should rethink your name. It has SF Bathhouse written all over it….
Bay is always good for a morning, afternoon AND evening insult even to the new contributors here. BTW, L Heat, that was your *welcome aboard* comment from Bay. lol
OK, its getting late .we can solve the ills of the world tomorrow . have a great night folks !
Good night Tim!
All I know is once and for all Alex Smith will be officially out of excuses if he can’t get this offense into the top half of the NFL this year. He will have the best team he has ever had the keys to.
Right. Isn’t that great!
Be serious Razor. There will *always* be excuses for Alex.
Alexcuses 2012:
1) Going after Peyton hurt his confidence
2) Randy Moss said mean things to him
3) He needs two years in a system to be good
Just off the top of my head.
Excuses for what? Alex played well last year, did what he was asked to do, and then some.
3rd down and RZ especially, sure he needs to improve, but those poor numbers are more Harbaugh’s doing than Smiths. Look at Smith’s qb rating in the RZ for the couple years prior. Off the charts.
For 2012, either he performs, or he doesn’t. If he doesn’t, he’s cut, guaranteeed at the end of the season. If he does well again, neither backup sniffs the field.
From Mike Sando on the 49ers signing JJ.
“I would consider this a depth signing that does not change immediate plans for Smith or backup Colin Kaepernick.”
Just some thoughts. JJ goes from a backup to a third string QB? If that doesnt work then he is going to backup Smith. If that happens it means CK to third string. I dont think thats going to happen. Very interesting signing to say the least. CK gone?
I’m sure JH consulted with Sando before and after the Niners signed JJ. Hilarious!
FU, U, You shouldn’t be satisfied either….
All day gathering in the BIg Table……
SLAKER!!!!
The Niners are not paying any of these Q.B.’s like they’re the future of the franchise. They’re being paid like quality backups. They way I see it, Alex Smith with his signing bonus has solidified his position on the team whether it be starter or backup. That’s what he was holding out for, he wanted job security and not be released to the street if.. (Smart Guy). But between Colin Kaepernick, Josh Johnson, and Scott Tolzien somebody is going to be gone. You’re either going to take the reigns or get rained out. Let the competition begin. Between the three anyway.
AS is being paid very well and starters money but not *elite* starters money.
AS cap hit in 2012 will be 12th ($9.5M). Just behind him are BRoeth, JFlacco, MSchaub, RFitz and MSanchez. Can’t use base because of the way they move dollars around. For example EManning base is only $1.7M but his cap space rank in 2012 is $9.6M.
Alex Smith is paid 8 mil. a season with 16 mil guaranteed. The guys you’ve mentioned have longer contracts and a much higher signing bonus. Many of those Q.B.’s will make well over 40mil througout the life of their contracts. There are backups that have contracts equal to Alex Smith. So again, Alex Smith did a good job of securing his position on the team whether it be starter or no.
Don, your numbers are off. He is only guaranteed $9m. Read the link to Maiocco in my earlier post, it is all broken down there.
He is guaranteed $9 million. I said it last night, people said I was wrong and I wasn’t. The other $7.5 million is only guaranteed if he is still on the roster next season. I called cap shenanigans and I was correct.
BigP, You were right then….I was waiting for the numbers to be released. Good job.
BigP, exactly. Same is true of PM’s contract with Denv, If he is on the roster each year he makes the guarantee. That’s a good business decision.
BTW, the salary info is listed on Sando’s blog.
I have said I don’t care what they pay him, but I knew the guaranteed numbers were way off because it would completely undermine the way they do business going forward. It didn’t make sense to double the guarantee from their previous offer when they have been so steady in their approach to contracts.
No matter what the numbers he’s going to be with the team for a minute. Even if they do go with Johnson.
Parkay,
Just this year. He’s done and he won’t have the job this year if he’s the alex I know. He’s done.
So, looks like the ex is moving in after all, lol!!!
Not surprised – I suspect Tolzien won’t make it past the preseason. Not basing that on stats, just a gut feeling.
I would be surprised if you are incorrect 49erGirl. This team is really coming together from top to bottom isn’t it?
@49erGirl
I posted this ‘guess’ over a week ago; my only disagreement is that rather than Tolzien, it would be CK…Tolzien doesn’t have enough value as an UFA, trading up for CK in the 2nd round becomes a value pick if we can get a !st rounder for him.
this is beautiful josh has a big arm an is quick on his feet. if he adapts an progresses well i can see him an alex goin back an forth for the starting spot all season. an maybe if josh can think on his feet quickly an intelligently theres no reason he wudnt start he does have a few years of watching the league. alex will make the smart, move the chain decisions, but josh will always be there to make the big plays happen, kinda like the alex/ troy smith thing a couple years ago cept better.
3-4 guys for the starting spot and still people complain i dont get it as long as we dont have at least a good probowl QB its the best way to put the best man in
EL Cabron Mas Chingon, nos Va a llevar a ser los Mas CHINGONES……….
SIEMPRE, PURO PINCHE CUARENTA NUEVES:)
Y al Que no le guste el lenguage, Que Chinge Su madre, Lo lle vamos a Chihuahua a un vaile…
For those who don’t speak Spanish – that was about as foul as Spanish gets.
Ay Caramba.
How much of this signing has to do with JJs ability to mentor CK on the nuances as AS is himself working to better understand it?
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We know which guys have the best physical tools of these four. It will be fascinating to watch Harbaugh develop these guys…
It’s possible and a very good point Porkster.
I don’t get the love fest for J.J.? So he had good stats at a low level college. Big deal. He has done nothing in his years in the NFL. College stats don’t mean squat once these guys get to the NFL. If he was so good, he should have cracked the Bucs line up. I hope the best player wins, so the Niners can be successful, but I think the best QB on the roster is still Alex Smith. Another year in the system and I think he will show improvement. Grant keeps talking about the numbers that Johnson put up with him in college, well give Alex the same time and see what he does.
Instead of playing this QB game any further, please go take care of the guard position, and find a good RB to spell Frank.
VABeach,
Johnson is to Harbaugh as Garcia was to Walsh. If was brought in to make the bottom of the QB depth chart as strong as possible.
I can see adding depth, but many on here seem ready to back flips over the signing like he is going to be some savior. If he was that good, why did they wait so long and then sign him? But, if he turned out like Garcia, that would be pretty good.
They needed to sort the Smith stuff out first. Those on here acting like he is a savior are the ones who dislike Smith and think anyone is better than him.
Unfortunately it will go on all year, in part because Grant keeps stirring the pot. These young guys are all about Fantasy Football stats. Wins-Losses are secondary.
I keep forgetting that some people actually live in a fantasy football world. Thanks for reminding be Jack.
By the way, the 49ers don’t need JJ to inform Alex Smith that he has to be more productive this coming season. His contract has a cheep out at the end of each year.
Agreed 100%. :)
Nothing wrong with a little competition at the most important position on the field.
I see it as competion for the 2nd or 3rd quarterback. I see Alex as the #1.
Also, they didn’t sign Alex to $24M to sit on the bench.
You didn’t hear. Only this year and 9$ mil of his contract are guaranteed. He could get cut at the end of this year and the Niners wouldn’t lose any cap and Alex would need a new job and that other 15$ mil disappears. Hoope that was helpful.
Actually ST may win the starting job from all of them! lol
Smith isn’t going anywhere. He’s going to be a 9er for 3 more years. So don’t get your hopes up Jordo.
Welcher Willy, what the hell are you doing on here, you promised!
http://www.joebucsfan.com/?p=29132
Super interesting Buc’s fan blog about Josh Johnson.
He fits in perfect with the 49ers, a QB that gets no respect.
I agree Andrew, JJ has a huge upside and he may develop well in our system with JH. I dont understand why everyone is making such a big deal out of this signing. GO NINERS
Ninja edits at midnight.
Go to sleep Grant.
If you insist.
Do you know how to say Camp Fodder Grant? Remember who was the indisputed QB2 before Tolzien was picked up?
I think Johnson may be with the team next season but… :)
Grant,
First I would like to thank you for your constant blog updates. Living in Prague for that past few years it has been hard to get my football fix. So with yours and the Matt’s help I have been able to get by. Now that I moving back home to Cali Im looking forward to simple things like watching ESPN again.
But enough about me, I feel that the move to sign Johnson has more to do with kicking the tires and providing a better backup to Smith. If anything this seems to go opposite the assumption that CK is ready. Im guessing the plan is for CK to sit for 2 more years and wouldnt be a bit surprised to see very little guarenteed money in the final year of Smith’s contract. Has it been announced how much money is Smith making in his final year?
Walsh turned one pathetic bucs qb career around. Who’s to say harbaugh couldn’t either. Let’s the games begin. And hof. At least he’s a home grown kid from Oakland I believe?. ;-) let the best qb win.
Can any of us say that we thought we would be very close to the Super bowl in Harbaughs first year? I am concerned with Randy Moss and the CB cox signings but overall, He and Balke know what they are doing. They will constantly try and upgrade the team, that is probably why is respected, Tough Schedule this year! I am thinking manningham could do very well! Who ever is our QB we hope it is enough to get where we want!
Grant you need to get a source badly……get out of the basement, break that piggy bank and pay the gateman or someone in ninerland…..
from MM….
“Alex Smith remains the 49ers’ undisputed starter.
That point was made clear to free-agent quarterback Josh Johnson, who signed a two-year contract with the 49ers on Thursday, a source said.”
…lets just say the purpose of the blog officially is to argue over Alex Smith…….Please Press Democrat we need a new site blogger!!!!……its my mission to call and write the press democrat until this fraudster is replaced……
…go ahead delete it…..
Shhhhhhhhhhhh, Grant went to bed.
Oneniner,
where did you go hide when it was announced last week that the Niners were courting PM? You disappeared. You and Prime and DS and a few others. Gone….
It’s made things pretty clear for me as to who the Niner fans were. And Hofer who is an Alex fan first, to his credit hung out, but never said one positive thing about us seeking Manning. Hofer instead said he prefers the Niners starting CK than bringing on Manning. Funny enough though the second Manning signed with Denver then Hofer said CK should be traded. Protect Alex Smith, insulate Alex Smith, get Alex a better line, get Alex better receiver, don’t bring any competition in for Alex. That’s how you guys think. Know what’s missing? 49ers…. There was a pretty strong CHAIN last year and the front office figured out that there were two weak links in that chain. WR and QB. They fixed one and are closely watching the 2nd one. If it shows weakness, it will be replaced too. As a 49er fan it should make you happy. But it won’t because you are not…
None of you guys are 49er fans. NONE.
The real 49er fans see JJ come in, see CK getting more recognition and we ( we real 49er fans ) are happy that we have a solid foundation of QB’s. I am satisfied that Harbaugh will run a true competition and that we are not settling for the league low production that you guys were cheering for last year.
It made me sick to my stomach to see Alex pass for 130 yards and just because he threw a TD at the end DS was blogging how Alex was CLUTCH CLUTCH CLUTCH…. I threw up on my keyboard.
Anyway oneniner, now that you and your whole group have been exposed, why don’t you go back to the place you were hiding when you first found out that Manning was potentially coming here. We won’t miss you I promise.
we real 49er fans
So anyone who disagree’s with you is not a niners fan?
So self important…
That is a defensive answer txt. It’s not about me. It’s about how one portrays themselves. Either team first or not. Can’t fake that.
Bay HOW is rooting for AS NOT rooting for the team scenario?? Please tell me! He is the starting QB of the SF 9ers is he not? I’m rooting for the SF 49ers and JJ was told last night that AS is the starter period. Correct?
Hofer,
Alex was not our QB last week. We spoke about bringing in PM. Show me one positive thing you said about that move.
YOU CANT.
Then you said, don’t bring in PM, let CK start instead. Then Mr. Flipflop, as soon as we lost out on PM and they brought back Alex you said trade CK.
No need to debate you, your agenda is clear. Mine has always been to upgrade a position if the production is weak. I have never turned on a player and pushed for their being replaced if that player produced.
You can’t even answer a simple question that I’ve asked 7 times now.
What do you perceive to be weaknesses in Alex’s game? Things he needs to improve on this year?
Are you tied to Alex through friends or family?
To your credit Hof, you haven’t lied to me, you just wont answer. Because answering would betray your hero…
And please don’t quote me what the front office says. We all saw how honest they are last week right. Harbaugh said Alex was his long term guy, yet there they were trying to bring in PM to replace the caddie. And then we find out that his contract is not a long term starter contract. So please Hofer, don’t bore me with Harbaugh said…… The moves they are making prove otherwise.. You are really getting your a$$ kicked this week Hof.
Lets give Jordan some credit too. He’s been calling for JJ for some time. Now we have him. He’s system ready too.
As
..yaaaaawwwwnnnn!!!!!
The only credit we should be giving 23J is his ability to welch on bets!
…damn this hurts!!!!!…..
“First, Raheem The Dream called Josh Johnson a “career backup.”
Now, Greg Olson compares third-year pro Johnson, known for his intelligence and grasp of the offense, to an undrafted rookie quarterback.
For a short TBO.com feature story about interception-happy former University of Mississippi quarterback Jevan Snead trying to make the Bucs roster after being signed as an undrafted rookie free agent, Olson told beat writer Anwar Richardson that Snead should be on “equal footing” with Johnson.
“The good thing is we have two younger players in Josh Johnson and Rudy Carpenter that aren’t that much older than him and haven’t been in the league that long, so development wise, they shouldn’t be much further along,” Bucs offensive coordinator Greg Olson said. “He has an opportunity to come in and compete with those guys as opposed to a four-, five-, six-, 10-year vet guy. He should be on equal footing with those guys.”
Poor Johnson, taking one on the chin from the offensive coordinator.
Joe’s all in favor of coaches tyring to foster competition in the offseason, but Olson’s comment crosses the line.
If Johnson is on equal footing with Snead, then the Bucs better pray harder for Josh Freeman’s health than they ever intended. …”
What are Greg Olsen and Raheem Morris doing now? Certainly not coaching the Bucs.
This is excellent news. I trust in Jim H. You can never have enough good QBs. Now there is more competition for all the QBS and Josh gets a chance to improve with JIM H. GO NINERS
What this means =
This year we:
–Start Alex
–Backup JJ, clipboarding while re-learning offense, start in case Alex injury
–Site Kap again all year.
Next year we:
–Cut Alex (therefore gaining lots of cap space)
–Install Kap as the starter
–Because of the 2nd year of JJ’s deal, have JJ as the inexpensive backup (who is essentially as good as Alex at that point anyway, having theoretically spent a year holding a clipboard and re-integrating himself into Harbaugh’s offense)
This move is all about next year.
Exactly what I was thinking. Baalke is big picture.
You may be on to something here. My initial reaction is that CK would become trade material, but futher thought leads me to believe that CK has no NFL game-ready experience which voids any interest from other teams. Now, if a team wants to trade for CK based soley on potential that is always a possibility, but a huge gamble for a team that really wants to improve their QB position.
The fact that the Org went after a QB with 4 neck surgeries and a year on the mend leads me to believe that Alex’ position is not completely secure. The Org appearently believes that Alex has some flaws in his game that cannot be remedied. Or, as Hofe said; ‘maybe the Org does not feel that CK is ready to be a starter or a backup (paraphrased). Too many layers here, to make any educated conclusions. We’ll just have to wait for TC and see who emerges as our starter. Whoever it is, has my support (if they win of course).
Thank you for the intelligent post
Anything is possible. We’ll know by the 1st of May depending on who is still on the team after the draft.
…dude…aren’t you guys tired of cutting Alex…….we all know what happens when you think that…..he re-signs……deal with it haters!!!!
I like the signing myself. You can never have enough QB’s, at least ones that can play. I think Johnson has been brought in to create more competition, and also because Harbaugh knows him well. I don’t think they are looking at Johnson to start, but to me more of a supersub. If Alex stays beyond this season, he could wind up being the long term backup if they part ways with Kap. If Alex is gone after this season, he could be the backup to Kap, or the bridge to the next guy if they don’t feel Kap is the long term answer and they have to draft somebody else.
In other words, Johnson gives them a lot of flexibility. I think it was a really well thought out signing and a good move for this team.
what are u saying about your fandom ….. why are u setting up this kind of premise for the upcoming season …. u basically state cut AS next year because of the FO actions this year….
therefore, you are desiring failure for this 9r team where 53+ other team players are battling to get into the playoffs and beyond, just to get rid of AS….this is not being a 9r fan…..and bay you agree
Anyone who believes that Alex welcomes competition is clueless. Ask Hill and O’Sullivan. In a true competition, CK will edge out JJ, with Alex and Tolzien competing for Clipboard Holder (#3). Thank you, Jed.
Grant: You posed the question of 2012 last night — “How much better do you think Alex Smith can get?”
Can we have that as a single-question topic someday? How about rational responses only — no name calling, no insults, no rants and no off-topic posts allowed, just a football question with analytical answers.
Kind of a different approach for this blog, but I think it would be great!!!
@dr
The name calling will always happen as long as Grant allows it.
I was hoping he might try an experiment.
If you need any volunteers dr, I ‘ll be the first.
Just no shots.
lol
Trent Baalke is a puke. shouldn’t of got exec of the year. Sellout.
I like CK7 but I like Josh Johnson more! Dolphins are desperate, send CK7 to Miami for first round pick. Something might happen (CK7 trade) before or during draft. Tolzien is good 3rd stringer.
Let’s keep it real, Alex Smith is the current starter. Johnson will clearly have to beat Smith out. He is very capable though.
An original second round pick of the 49 ers has now become worth a 1st round pick after playing in zero games last year, really Crabs15? Your joking with that comment right?
L Heat – Of course he’s not worth a first round pick. I said the Dolphins are desperate.
They lost out on Manning, Flynn and AS. They have no QB and nobody wants to play for them. You didn’t know that?
Maybe they’re dumb enough to offer a first rounder. Desperate teams do desperate things bro.
If the 9ers can get a 1st round pick do it now. Again, very interesting the time of this JJ signing.
@Latino
Crab15 is working off a rumor that Miami is stupid enough to take a 2nd round QB and give up their #8 overall pick for him.
I know, it is stupid. But the rumor is out there. And you 100% correct.
If that did happen, and CK does not win them at least 1 Super Bowl, it will have gone down as one of the stupidest moves ever. And didn’t involve Jones or Snyder to boot.
:- )
DS -Future first rounder. C’mon man! :-) Even the Dolphins are not that irresponsible.
I will be more specific from now one.
I know thet Dolphins are desperate but take at look at that comment about giving up a 1st for CK, they could draft Tannehill at#8, and keep Matt Moore who did not play all that bad last year. CK for 1st is a pipe dream.
It’s true Crab.
Of course the rumor is likely not true. Most rumors are not after all. If they were, we would call them facts. Not rumors
just for arguments sake…..CK would cost miami less contract wise than a #8 tannenhill pick….maybe the niner throw in something else to make it equitable….what are miami’s other needs…..maybe a TE like bynham and/or lower round pick….
only entertaining this line of thought because if this could happen the DeMarcos guard action could happen….as has been suggested by others and i like their thinking….DeMarcos would be a contributor this year vs what CK could
even though it initially was very hard for me to believe as i spouted out this possibility last nite at 7:30…..it is growing on me because making the JJ trade at least allows the possibility for this maneuvering to occur and still have a fallback position if AS is injured….
to further this notion….JJ will have a better feel on how to communicate in the JH/roman QB jargon with AS than would CK based on his real life JH experiences as well as his game room nfl experience with tampa and if the comments freeman has made about JJ have merit to them it seems appropriate….
OK, i am all in…..meaning i won’t be surprised if a trade is made
Scary isn’t it jg?
How you (anybody) can reason a really ridiculous notion thru with logic. Just depends on what logic you use to justify yourself.
@23jordan I actaully feel sorry fo you cause your the guy from the story the little boy who cried wolf only this time you’ll be wrong again. I don’t know if your just really incompetent but every prediction you have made regarding Alex failing has never come true.
Now I’m all in for competition at every position including Smith but really bringing in JJ is only going to fuel Alex which is a good thing and realistically, this is more of a move by the FO for competition between CK and ST.
Whatever though, I’ll let you get back to creaming yourself over the move but btw, why are you on here welcher willy?
are you saying that your long term starter #11 that has a contract with a one year out clause, the one that the FO tried to replace a week ago is not being competed with? The one that tested free agency only to have the entire NFL turn their backs on him except for Miami? just want to get it straight.
As a FORTY NINER FAN, I am glad that there is competition as well. I am also glad that the FO has made it clear that this is a superbowl ready team and league low production from the QB will not be tolerated no matter who the QB is.
Bay it is called an opt out clause. BTW, PM has the same opt out in his contract. I presume if PM can have it in his contract so can AS ehh?
“I am also glad that the FO has made it clear that this is a superbowl ready team and league low production from the QB will not be tolerated no matter who the QB is”
I hope thats true at WR, TE, Offensive line RB, CB,NT, DT, OLB, ILB, SS, FS, and coaching right 49 ER FAN?
I’ll explain it with small words for you Hofer. They both have an out Clause because they both have question marks hanging over them.
Mannings is related to his neck and Alex is related to his ability.
Like I said Hofer, you’ve been exposed. You know it.
Bay, there you go again stating something that isn’t true. If PMs health becomes an issue OR he *under-performs* the clause would take effect and let Denv off the hook for the additional dollars.
Bayareafanatic, every players contract has an outclause, thats the business side of sports, especially in the NFL where cap flexibility from year to year is vital based on injuries and performance. Iit does not mean teams think their players are gonn geta hurt or underperform, it just means they have the option to refill the shelves if things go sideways.
Your trying to make it sound like the 49 ers were forced into giving Alex this type of contract because they think he is still not the answer, that is a pessimistic perspective if I have ever heard one, football fan or Alex Smith hater?
It comes down to Guarantee. Ryan Fitzpatrick has $24 million Guaranteed. Even if they release him. Alex had $8 million guaranteed, they increased it to $9 million.
How does that spell commitment? What it spells to me is one year commitment and the production better increase or we will bring someone else in. ( Which they tried to do last week )
They didn’t even budge on their offer. No negotiating. The FO’s feelings are crystal clear…. And as a 49er fan I am happy that they are making folks compete.
Mark Sanchez cut or not is guaranteed $27 million over the next two years…
Alex Smith $9 million.
I’m not arguing, just asking. Where is the commitment?
Thats not the wording of the contract I heard, it was guaranteed 16.5 million with some logistcs between year one and year two based on escalation clauses and incentives. Bottom line its lawyer lingo and I have no clue how it works. The one thing I do know is Alex is back, the incumbent starter (Branch) and as a fan I have full confidence that he will improve on the year he had last. I know you don’t, I respect that but I know I will be enjoying watching the games more when Alex is helping us get back to the superbowls insted of a fanbase saying the most annoying pharse ever ” I TOLD YOU SO”
I think the committment and this is hypothetical and based on my opinion alone is this, the 49 ers are saying we will give you 16.5 million guaranteed over teh next 3 years in addition to earning the potential of 8 million per year, your our guy, you get us close or win us a superbowl, we tear this agreement up and redo a deal that is rewarding and more cap friendly for the entire organization. I dont think its a you fail, your gone scenario, their invested in Alex, there gonna do everything they can to make him successful, thats the committment, bringing guys in like Moss, Manningham, keeping all their coaches in place, bringing guys in to compete and make Alex better, thats committment. What have the Jets done to show a committment to Sanchez, they brought in Tebow, what does that say? Its not always about money.
Bay, KK had the same out clause with AZ this year for the $7M on the roster “by this date”.
Bay, MSanchez guarantee is $20.5 – he gets $8M signing bonus, $3.25M base 2012, and $500K workout bonus. Like AS if he is on the roster next year, he gets the balance of his guarantee.
Hofer, you just compared Alex to Kolb and Sanchez.
I’m not disagreeing, but it seems strange coming from you.
MSC, a bit early to be nipping at the scotch. Re-read what I said. LOL
Bay,
It’s not a lack of commitment, it’s strategic planning. The Bills and Jets [although I heard something very different regarding Sanchez's contract] are screwed if RF and MS underperform, were as the 49ers are not, should AS not perform up to expectations.
This guy can play, like I said yesterday AS is average at best. Just moved the niners into a much better place to really make it to the SB AND WIN…
…..and your basing this on his NFL experience and days at USD? Cause thats all he has shown and last time I checked it was very below average production in the NFL and yes he ran Harbaughs offense against college players, different than against NFL players in case somebody wanted to know.
@23j and your boy toy Bay disagrees with you that he can win the job from AS, see I told Bay to refill his meds and now he’s thinking clearly again, nice work old timer.
Hey Bay, clutch, clutch, clutch, get used to it, we’re gonna make some T-shirts for Alex with this on it, I’ll send you one, just get me your address via Grant.
Give CK time, Aarron Rodgers did well has he did not play the first couple of years, yes some come in early and do well like Newton, but we need to have patience. Good to see all the competion, who will our right guard be? Kilgore or another free agent or draft pick? Looks like the spring camp and summer camp will be more productive, I am thinking we need a young rb in case gore goes down, what do you fans think?
@bay what I’m saying is all these moves the FO is making is only going to motivate Alex. He’s a warrior and now they are making moves to throw gas on this guys fire.
Alex is the honey badger, he just keeps on going and proving haters like you wrong, Time and time again. It’s the story that sports is made of, just when morons like you doubt, guys like AS rise to the occasion.
So grandpa, fill your little hateful heart full of pessimissm from now til training camp and the best QB will win, I have no doubt about who that will be.
Prime thats what its all about for me. The rags to riches story with Alex. Throw him down, critisize him but he keeps coming back and getting better and better. To me Johnson is there to push CK and see what they have in Tolzien. Alex has to be looking over his shoulder but thats the NFL, what have you done lately is so true. This will play out but I see Alex getting better this offseason and Johnson if anything is an insurance policy.
Prime,
I give you credit. The FO tried to get rid of Alex last week. They only gave him a contract that has a one year out, and the entire NFL basically let him know he was not wanted. Yet here you are talking about him like he’s Aaron Rogers.
Who’s on meds really me or you? You are the Leon Spinx of bloggers.
Bay, PM has the very same opt out clause. It’s not revolutionary. If AS continues to elevate his game (which is likely based on the additional talent and off season work he’ll do) he won be going anywhere and he’ll possibly get a raise.
Hofer, PM has that clause in there for an entirely different reason than Smith does. PM’s is due to injury concerns, while Smith’s is due to performance concerns.
As long as he does what he needs to do he will get all of the money.
Jack, I’ve researched it. PM has both health and performance clauses that can give Denv an out.
Jack, I’ve researched it. PM has both health and performance clauses that can give Denv an out.
Thanks for doing the research Hofer.
JJ will be the backup. CK is a work in progress. Bye Bye ST. AS is the starter. Any takers on bets?
I don’t like JJ but this is good for competition. If he is better than Alex then by all means start him but if they don’t start him then I guess my suspicions would be correct.
I fear this means more that they feel that CK may not be ready to take over if either AS gets hurt or if he plays badly. I really hope this does not stymie CK’s growth. Four Quarterbacks is too much me thinks. Maybe one of either CK or Tolkien is just not cutting it. I hope that is not true but if it is i hope it is Tolkien because CK just has so much upside.
From our good buddy at Sfgate Eric Branch
“No one is expecting Johnson to unseat Smith, but Harbaugh famously promotes competition at all positions.”
http://blog.sfgate.com/49ers/2012/03/22/kindred-spirits-johnson-harbaugh-reunite/
For a different perspective than the one provided here.
Hmmm… interesting move. I hate to root for a guy to be a camp arm but I liked the three we had.
Really pulling for Tolzien. He’ll probably blow it and let me down though. :( Odds are horrible for a UDFA third string guy to ever do much. But what a story that would be!
One word .. ROMO…
Kurt Warner
@Adam
What is the confusion?
He wears our uniform, I cheer for him. If he does not, I boo by default (some exceptions do exist).
No problem there.
@DS
I cheer for him. If he does not, I boo by default (some exceptions do exist).
Is AS one of those ‘exceptions’?
@nick
AS is not,and has not ever played on any other NFL team.
I cheered for Garcia. Even as a Raider. And that means I must really like the guy. So, will that tide you over?
Adam,
Tolzein looked so good in one preseason quarter, against third string DB’s. His performance was impressive, but it should be considered in context.
Still, it would be pretty cool if he got there, somehow.
@bay where I mentioned Rodgers in my post is beyond me, I told you to get that dementia looked at, it’s causin you to see things that are not there. Like the FO trying to get rid of AS. Guy, they inquiried late in the game for a HOF QB, when Alex was takin his time to sign his deal, they went to his house to tell him this, how that is wrong I don’t know. You wanna hang your hat on what happened during free agency to discount Alex, go ahead, the real Niner fans are moving on to the draft and OTA’s, Grant hint hint pal! Haters can glorify in this camp arm signing all offseason, I think it’s funny, have at er crusty.
Tolzien > JJ
The battle will be for backup QB unless CK really comes out firing and makes a quantum leap.
Who Niners do you guys predict will make Pro Bowl in 2012 that did NOT make it last year? I say Bowman, VD, Aldon Smith and Iupati have a solid chance.
What Niners? Sorry
Which Niners? LOL….long night last night.
3′rd time is the charm Crab15
:- )
(hint – one reason why I don’t often correct my own error. If you keep trying and don’t get it, it just sucks more)
I don’t really care all that much about the Pro Bowl. Once a player is recognized once, that should be enough.
No PW Crab?
I gotta think you had a brain freeze on leaving him out.
Which Niners will make the Pro Bowl that did NOT make it last year was the question.
Wasn’t Bowman given honors? The fans didn’t vote him in (- us) but the players did. If not, then sorry. I thought he made it. He sure deserved it.
Navarro was voted All-Pro (players vote) but not voted Pro-Bowl (fan majority), go figure. All Pro is the most prestigious award a player can receive, short of a SB trophy.
Wait.
I think I remember how it went down now.
Bowman was given All-Pro honors but did not get into the Pro-Bowl.
Wonder how often that has happened?
All-Pro is a combination of players and the AP, I should have clarified that. All-Pro’s are basically the best of the best.
DS – You’re killin me today, you misread my question, insult my intelligence (PW) and then you say you thought Bowman made the Pro-Bowl. I expect a swift apology. :-)
@Crab 15
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Some people are always a step ahead Crabs…. :P
Isn’t mis-reading the question and insult of your intelligence kind of the same thing in this case? I mean it took you 3 times to get your own question right. Seems to me that we are at an even 3 pair.
lol
BigP – It’s nice to know I have a good allie out there! :-)
Crabs,
I understood your question perfectly. You even emphasized players that did NOT make the PB. DS has a bad habit of not measuring twice before she makes her cuts. It’s funny how she remembered how it all went down after I just posted how it all went down. No integrity.
Leave it to the stalker to ruin some harmless fun between 2 bloggers.
http://www.xboxlivescore.com/profile/DS94everXev
Stalker is BigP. Scary.
Gosh, Grant – Do you think Kaepernick and Smith feel betrayed?
Nope not buying it. Harbaugh has put together a stable of hyper competitive QBs that will compete with each other. Iron sharpens iron.
Alex will start. CK or Tolz may be the odd man out. CK is a freak of an athlete. Tolzien looked more polished in his stint against us while with the Chargers. J.Johnson will likely be 2nd on the depth chart and give Alex a nudge in camp.
The fight in camp looks to be for 3rd on the depth chart between CK and Tolz. The WestCoast favors CK. C’mon July!
AES, remember VY was a freak of an athlete also. The 9er brass is sending a message.
Agreed Hofe. VY is quite the athlete, but he is his own worse enemy, a total ‘head’ case. CK was a monster at the High School and College level. Harbaugh thought highly of him enough to make a move to grab him early in the second round. Alex is the incumbent, JJ will likely be 2nd on chart, and CK will need to fight off Tolz for the final QB position. One thing is abundently clear; The Org is not not resting until we win a Superbowl. KUDOS FRONT OFFICE!
AES BTW, KAnderson and JMontana were QB’s that ran BWs offense. Not the strongest arms or the most athletic. SY was athletic but he got better when he learned to stay in the pocket trust the offense.
Hofe,
AES is right, there is no comparison between CK and VY psychologically. CK is smart, VY, not so much; CK is coachable, VY, not so much; CK is stable, VY, not so much.
No comparison between the two.
Exg, just talking about the raw athletic skills coming out of college.
OK, Hofe, but what’s the point then? Psychological traits are what separate the great from lesser QB’s.
Look at whatever you can find on Tolzien’s college tape. He was no slouch, good pocket passer, etc.
I suppose it could hinge on what they want the identity of this thing to finally be. The athletic guys who can run if needed? Or more traditional pocket passers?
The JJ thing still seems to be a bit of a weird deal – other than the mutual affinity aspect, I get that part. And Harbaugh had success with him at the small school level, but… eh… I don’t know. Josh Freeman was tanking last year, if the Bucs thought highly of JJ they’d have brought him up – I would think?
I’ll have to wait till pre-season I guess to see what he can do (with us). Never been sold on this guy as an NFL-caliber QB. We’ll see :)
I’d like to see more of Tolzien this off season. Might be something really special there.
But with regard to JJ, Adam, I haven’t seen much from him that impressed me, either. BUT, despite his off-the-field behavior (ahem!), I think we’d best not discount Harbaugh’s capabilities when it comes to grooming QBs. He may not have impressed the Tampa coaches, but they aren’t “Quarterback Whisperers”.
And overall, I like the signing, because I NEVER thought CK was going to be ready to step in, if Alex had gone down with an injury last season. We’ll see how it all shakes out, but I think this adds some stability, and some better options in case…
Rusty – “Quarterback Whisperers”….Clever, I like that.
I agree Rusty. We’ll have to see what we have. Just strikes me as odd. A two year deal isn’t a camp arm it’s a “shove someone out of the way” contract.
There’s no way this guy comes here with the understanding he could be #3. So I don’t know what that means for CK. Trade or slide to #3.
Tolzien has a long shot at all this but actually may be more secure at #3. I can’t see CK sitting still while he’s bumped to third. I would have to think he’d ask for a trade.
Dunno, just seems weird to me.
I’m kind of torn myself. I was intrigued by Tolzien last year but I’m also intrigued by Johnson’s amazing success in Harbaugh’s system in college.
Last year the 49ers were dredging up the corpse of Josh McCown to be the third QB. Now there are 4 quarterbacks on the roster who all have promise. Times change.
Agree with Htesrepus. Thinking about the Montana, Young days, it seems we always had backups that could step in and keep the ship moving. And this process creates value in the #2,#3,#4 QB’s spots, something we haven’t had in a while.
Nobody referred to as a “Smither” has hated on JJ at all. Read the posts. If there is one, there are not many.
Yet the haters are making a fight where there is NONE. Great, we have JJ. JH’s first real QB under his wing. How does that make me angry or mad or an a-hole? I want the best players on the team. Including back-ups. I see no problem with liking this signing and still liking AS as our starting QB. None at all.
i think ck should feel more betrayed than AS
Based on M. Maiocco’s poll question today (Who will be Alex Smith’s backup in 2012)? It’s crystal clear who he wants to start at QB. He obviously thinks there’s no QB competition for AS this training camp and pre-season.
So is MM a bias smither? :-)
@Crab15
Eric Branch basically said the same thing over at sfgate. See my 8:37Am post.
I said it better.
Maiocco’s feeling is based on the leak that Josh was told “Alex is the undisputed starter.” Something that Johnson apparently never heard.
The leak came from the same front office that claimed the team had no interest in Peyton Manning.
Trade Ck now while we might get something for him. It would be considered a blunder though since we traded up for him in the first place, but how can he not possibly beat out AS? well I think he goes in the camp in an open competition and ,may the best man win. I hope to see a world of difference in him but we’ll see.
Josh Johnson should come in running since he knows the system. He should actually be the favorite to win the job since he’d played in the system for a few years. The terminology should be easy for him. If I were him, I’d get a playbook quick and open camp Josh soon. This job is his to lose.
I wonder what Tolzien has got. I liked him during preseason but haven’t heard or seen anything else from him.
These players need to be hungry and realize that this is their chance to interview for the job.
No one is gauranteed anything!!!!
CK is the superior prospect out of the three, even if he isn’t ready yet. They aren’t going to trade him. He is bigger, stronger, faster and has an elite arm. He hasn’t even been on the roster a year yet. This is his first offseason with the team. Ideally, they have a roster loaded with attractive QB prospects and can eventually trade them for draft picks after a clear-cut long term starter is established.
“He is bigger, stronger, faster and has an elite arm.
BigP, just a reminder, JMo didn’t have any of those skill attributes that you mention.
Hofer,
Unlike you, I don’t feel the need to disparage the other QB’s to put Smith in a better light. Kaepernick is a superior PROSPECT. It doesn’t mean anything unless he develops. I would be happy to have a strong farm system of QB’s that would represent strong trade value, regardless of who the starter is. That is my agenda. Yours seems to be insulating Smith from competition. What I said was absolutely correct.
BigP, agree that the 9ers need quality backups. A reminder was the pickle the 9ers were in with the WRs when JMorg and TG went down and how it affected the outcome of the championship game.
See Hofer,
a true FORTY NINER FAN would say, “the niners need quality Quarterbacks”.
You say, The 9ers need quality backups. Agenda is clear Hofer. WE are see you man….
So you agree with me that CK is the superior prospect?
They aren’t going to trade CK. A) He won’t get them a premium draft pick after being viewed as a project who hasn’t played much yet, and B) Why would they trade a player they like and knew they’d have to develop for a couple of years when they drafted him?
The JJ signing is a move to give them more experience and flexibility. If Kap is ready this year, he’s the backup and JJ is probably the 3rd guy. If Kap isn’t ready JJ is the backup and Kap is the third guy.
Imo, this move is more about next year. By then they’ll have an idea of where they are going at QB long term. Either Smith will be the long term guy or Kap will be the long term guy. One will be traded (Kap) or released (Smith) and Johnson will be the backup going forward.
If JJ actually competes well enough to contend for the starting spot, all the better. Nothing bad about having 3 QB’s capable of starting.
Hofer,
Bay is right. I just didn’t feel like getting into a pissing match with you about it.
lets take a look at it from a different perspective….
Is CK a better prospect than tannenhill……
if tannenhill gets past a cleveland then maybe a desperate miami at #8 would go for a CK since he would not be as expensive……if indeed they saw CK as a better prospect…..plus add a player and/or a draft pick to juice it up a bit…..
i am not qualified enough to make the tannenhill vs CK argument at this time….just throwing it out there
only because #8 could get the niners a DeMarcos if he is a talent….
VD on KNBR this morning was interesting. A lot of VD feedback regarding the QB position. A good listen!
I wonder if they have that on PodCast.
Yes they do!
Must have said something pleasing about AS.
Of course, they are teammates.
We know this, that Slick Jim does not think Alex is so elite, that line was just to build up his confidence.
Neal, no one is biting any longer. We know your deal!
Hofer … great response. Now, next time try not responding at all. That’s the strongest strategy. By the way, Hofer is one of my favorite 49ers since 1946. :-}
@ Hoff man,
Must be tough to be a Smither these day’s. Your man crush will be sitting on the pine pretty soon. We have JJ, we are moving on up to the top. have a cup of your Kool Aid on me.
HT, Hofer being my tag/avatar lets everyone know where I’m coming from right? I’m always for the underdog. lol
“Must be tough to be a Smither these day’s.”
Check out the new guy! Got the lingo down and everything. Got the memo.
Good times. :P
@htwaits
I’ve suggested the strategy for many people here. Few take it up. Or rather my strategy is to not read their posts at all. Then you won’t respond, or get angry, etc.
I don’t know why anybody thinks this says anything about Alex… In what circles is Josh Johnson considered a starting QB? The only reason he’s even thought of in this light by 49er fans is because he was a starter under Harbaugh some 5 odd years ago. Any other team signs JJ and it’s the obvious and correct assumption that it’s to be a backup. He’s here to push CK maybe. But Alex is the starter this season, no question.
He’ll be a good teammate and according to Sando, received little if any attention from the rest of the league before this signing.
Exactly. With as many teams out there looking for starting quarterbacks as there are…and nobody was looking at him? That tells me nobody views him as a starting quarterback. Potentially? Maybe, but as high as we are on CK, it’s doubtful. CK’s younger, just as athletic, with a significantly better arm…He’s our future.
Josh Johnson’s conference call is today at Noon. Any questions yous guys would like me to ask him?
Please ask what his expectations are coming to the 49ers? What role does he see himself filling? Thanks.
I don’t have any right now.
I’m sure you’ll do a great job Grant!
TT flew in on a Lear Jet. How did he get to SF?
I flew on a southwest flight with Josh Johnson and Marshawn Lynch during the lockout.
Anything you can share via a blog article?
I left them alone, which I regret. That was before I was the crack reporter I am now.
…dude…you are not a reporter…..you are a site blogger….Press Democrat did not list you as a reporter!!!!!
Dude………yes I am.
….nice…..didn’t think you had the balls!!!….ok Mr. Reporter…please give me something to read and leave the whinning and gut feelings to the blog commenters……
….thanks for the advice Mr. Reader….
Grant,
I think you meant Mr. Crabtree when addressing Mr. Reader.
“Dude………yes I am.”
HAHAHAHA.
Nice one!
I can vouch for Grant. I worked with a ton of reporters back in the day. And Grant? Well, he acts like, writes like and probably even walks like a reporter. Yes, they have a certain walk. :P
I suppose you could ask to see his press pass. The Niners, as I recall, are actually kind of picky as to who they give those out to. Some of the guys I worked with years ago were refused access.
I’ve got the reporter’s gait for sure.
@oneweiner,
What a tough guy you are bashing a young kid trying to get started in the business, what were you doing when you in your early twenties, working at weinerschnitzle.
Ask him how similar the offense he ran in San Diego is to the offense run in San Francisco and how long he thinks it would take to re-aquatint himself with the whole offense.
Will do.
Bay, That’s a very good question. You beat me to that one : )
Did anyone in the Niner organization indicate to you, that you would have an opportunity to compete for the starting QB job?
Got it.
Thanks Grant.
That’d be mine too.
According to Maiocco, Manningham’s two-year contract is worth $7.375 million, and will count $2.487 against the Niners’ 2012 salary cap.
Based on what Garcon and Josh Morgan got paid, this is a bargain for Manningham. Baalke did a solid job.
Like that deal a lot.
I see some nervous smith fans in here. Posting jj will not start. Take it easy ladies. It will be ok. The best man will win.
Not really MD, just feeding the Piranha known as Jordo. I really enjoy the entertainment and was trying to get him to bet again. We know what happened last time he bet. Not to worry, he hasn’t gotten much right here. Remember his comments regarding DMcNabb, TSmith, and KK. lol
……Alex Smith and competition….I always find this topic amusing……
…Who has more familiarity with environment
…Who has a better chemistry with the other players
…Who articulates the offense better
…Who listens to the coach better
its like the whole thing about competition is always a set up for Alex to win!!!!……competition my azz…….
@ almost OneDolphin
Who articulates the offense better?
If you’re satisfied with articulating the 30th ranked offense in league, then by all means go ahead and celebrate.
I should have said “with Alex Smith articulating the 30th ranked offense “
NickRow says, “If you’re satisfied with Alex Smith articulating the 30th ranked offense in league, then by all means go ahead and celebrate.”
Nick, now that you have clarified yourself you are still showing how inept you are. The 49ers had the #11 offense in the NFL in total yards. They were #8 in rushing and #29 in passing. All of those rankings are based solely on yards gained.
While at first glance #29 looks terrible, you need to look deeper to realize that the 49ers attempted the second fewest passes in the league, due to their balance on offense. If you break down the passing numbers a little further you would realize that the 7.1 yards per attempt for Smith last year would rank #16.
As for your comment about my coaching experience, I can take that with a grain of salt coming from a guy who watches a Sanu highlight clip on YouTube and pronounces him as the real deal.
@Jack
OK, so you like stats? Let’s try these: 24th in 1st downs/game, 25th in TDs scored, 30th in 3rd downs made, and 31th in 3rd down %.
In fact you answered my question of medoicre QB play: the Niners were ‘#8 in rushing and #29 in passing’. That’s not what I call balance.
Not all of these can be pinned on the QB. However, in obvious passing downs, the team struggled and some of that blame should definitely fall on the QB.
As for Sanu, read the scouting reports. Listen to his coach. He’s being compared to Ray Rice in terms of character and work ethic. Check out his stats. I also am friends with a WR coach (from the Big East) who thinks highly of Sanu. What do you base your analysis on?
I base my opinions on several conversations I have had with Schiano over the years. I got to know him when he was recruiting some of my players and we have kept in touch.
As for the stats, I wouldn’t expect big changes other than the red zone and 3rd down conversions. Harbaugh’s offense is very balanced in a league where that is no longer the norm. Like I said a better stat to use is yards per attempt, and they ranked #16 in that stat.
The 29th in passing stat is a direct result of also throwing the second fewest passes. In a league dominated with passing the 49ers flipped the script in 2011, calling 498 runs to 452 passes.
Before you say that it was because they didn’t trust Smith, go look at what Harbaugh did at Stanford with Luck. Even with the best QB in college football he kept it balanced, and this ended up costing Luck the Heisman because his stats weren’t crazy video game like.
If you want to throw stats like 29th around at least understand the context, and that it shows your lack of knowledge.
I can’t find the stat right now, but I read a few months ago that Sanu had very few 20+ yard receptions at Rutgers – I’m talking single digits. Seemed like a red flag. Do you know anything about this?
@Nick
Grant, He had 6 20+ yard receptions on the season with a long of 31. He was used a lot as the QB out of the Wildcat as well, and made some big plays there too, mostly against the lesser D-1 schools, but he will not translate into a big play receiver in the NFL.
Thanks, Jack. Would you say he’s a second round pick?
Grant, He would be a reach early in round 2, more like a late 2 or early 3rd. He will be a decent slot/3rd receiver type.
Like Crabtree?
Grant, not quite. Crabtree has better body control and speed. Even with the additions Crabtree will still be the leading receiver in 2012. The additions of Moss and Manningham will stretch the field and open up the underneath and mid level zones, giving him space to work.
@Grant
Sanu is faster, much more physical, and has better hands than Crabtree. His career yards/reception average is 10.8 which is not bad.
Not sure where Jack gets his info. But Sanu has very good natural receiving abilities, is good off the line, and is not afraid of going over the middle.
He ran a 4.41 and 4.48 in Rutger’s pro day a few days ago. Here’s his profile on CBSSports.com:
http://www.cbssports.com/nfl/draft/players/1664646/mohamed-sanu
That’s what I thought. I can’t imagine that Crabtree is actually faster than Sanu.
Grant / Jack
Here’s a review of his pro day results. This guy is much faster than Crabtree and plays faster too:
http://www.cbssports.com/general/blog/rob-rang/17951955/rutgers-wr-sanu-fb-martinek-surprise-with-speed-at-rutgers-pro-day
MM wins MCs rol/position. If RM works out, they don’t need MM and MC sends a signal.
Nick, 10.8 yards per catch is very average for today’s college game. By comparison, Fleener averaged 19.6ypc as a tight end.
For a guy that can run in the low 4.4′s that avg per catch should be a red flag Nick. It shows that although he is fast he has trouble beating college DB’s. Not only is his avg low, but his longest reception in 2011 was 31 yards and he only had 6 receiving touchdowns.
He will be a decent 3rd receiver. Look for him to go no sooner than the Giants at the end of round 2 to replace Manningham.
And Nick, I already told you where I get my information. I got to know Schiano while he was recruiting some of my players, and spent time with him at the AFCA conventions. He should get Tampa headed in the right direction.
Jack,
Yeah, good points on yds average, TDs, and longest reception. Anothet component is the work ethic and character. These factors become somewhat magnified in the pros. If Sanu is being compared to Ray Rice in that regard, that’s not a bad thing.
Oneblindniner,
why did Donte Whitmer tweet that he was excited for PM to be the QB?
NickRow says, “If you’re satisfied with articulating the 30th ranked offense in league, then by all means go ahead and celebrate.”
Nick, That statement shows very little about your knowledge of football.
Right Jack. And we’re to believe that you were a coach at one point?
C’mon Bay, don’t go there. “Wow.”
And VD said he’d love to catch passes from McNabb.
So what? These guys (unless they play for the Jets) aren’t going to disparage other players. If they’re pros they will always be positive with regard to the brotherhood of players.
For one thing it is an elite fraternity (and most of the players have some amount of class) and secondly they’d be stupid not to put other players in a positive light because they have no idea who their team mates are going to be year to year.
Adam that’s what I think is Bays issue, he does not understand the brotherhood of football. Guys just want to win and for Whitner to say that, Alex understands that, and pursuing a HOF QB is okay. Im surprised more teams didnt try, its business, never personal because at the end of the day, once training camp starts, its all about playing hard for the guy who is there battling and working beside you day in day out. There not thinking three weeks into camp, if we only had Manning, no, there thinking, lets do everything we can to help Alex, and Alex is doing the same thing.
I coach for a living, not football, but thats what I preach to my players everyday, comraderie, and the brotherhood that you mentioned.
FDM, exactly. BTW, he didn’t mention what FG or VD said when all of this was going down. Of course they backed the starting QB.
@FDM
“..he does not understand the brotherhood of football.”
I never played football, but even I know that.
“he does not understand the brotherhood of football.”
I have no idea what he knows and what he doesn’t. I like the fact that he has a ton of collectables :)
I just think we can’t base any conclusions on any of this kind of stuff. We have no idea what kind of pressure these guys are under to say and do the right things.
Not a big deal. There’s no loyalty with any of these guys really. It’s a paycheck. They move around (or get moved around.)
As much as I hate to say it: it’s a job.
Nick
You are welcome to believe whatever you want. It really does not have an impact on any of us.
Part of your problem is you seem to have no imagination. Everything has to be as it is. No move to grow or move or anything. Blogs are here for fun. At least this one is.
Jack is welcome to say he is/was a coach of some kind. So are you. Maybe one of you is making stuff up, maybe both. I really don’t care. I only care about the posts and not about much else.
Stop putting so much stalk into things that are said (personal). Assume everything personal is true, or not. What you can’t do is pick and choose what you WANT to be true and what not to be true, then hold fast to those notions forever.
Onenoob is sweating bullets again. Remember when manning was suppose to come he pulled off the old whodini act again. Whoever defends this moron I’m slapping you too. This lame isn’t a 49er fan he’s a smith stalker. Onenoob I can’t wait till your shelf life is done.
Here’s a quote from Josh Johnson. Sounds like he was a Niner fan growing up (reminds me of CK). This is an exciting signing. Bring on the competition.
“I’d get to come home, be with my family, play for a coach that changed my life and play for a team that I grew up loving.”
Sounds like a great kid. I hope he comes in here and does really well.
Heres a great video Big P, Nickrow, Bayareafanatic and 23Jordan have put together, enjoy!
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EJVt8kUAm9Q
Here is FDM doing his pregame ritual in the Candlestick parking lot.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=i2dpZa9h5fE
Clearly not as funny as your boy band, I think you guys actaully have some potential to be stars!
It was actually very funny. You are like the little guy screaming “fight, fight, fight!” but would never have the guts to step into the ring.
Big P anytime, anyplace you need the ugly slapped off your face or the yellow off your teeth, please, indulge me!
BigP,
ignore FDM. He’s got permanent PMS. He’s an unhappy dude.
FDM – I counted 5 intelligent Niner fans in that video. Who did you leave out? ;-)
That was good though man.
Im unhappy coming on here listening to children try and explain the game of football. In your case Bay, the elderly!
Beware of the frightening blog bully.
Crabs 15, thats me producing and directing, if you want I can send you the entire 12″ version.
FDM, if you haven’t noticed, Bay and Jordo tend to tag team their factless comments. I caught Bay throwing out contract knowledge this morning that was incorrect yet again.
Behind the keyboard we are all Clint Eastwood. lol….the good the bad and the ugly.
Hofer,
now you are towing a fine line. What did I throw out that was not factual?
I’ll give you factual, you like to come off as a blog know it all and a gentleman. Really what you are is an old dude with more of a love of Alex Smith than the 49ers. You’ve been exposed and you didn’t like it. I’ll ask for the 9th time.
1. What do you think Alex Smith needs to improve on as a QB?
2. Are you tied to Alex Smith either through friends or family?
Tired of your bias….
FDM,
You just proved my point. Chirping because you are hiding behind a keyboard. If you really want to threaten me, I live in Danville. I would be happy to make you scream uncle, or in your case…Daddy.
Hof I will make you a deal, it seems that you and I are too stupid to ignore these two haters you speak of so to clean things up on here (cause we have been the longest posters on here) if either one of us replies to the negativity of these haters, the other must buy and mail a 49er jersy of the other persons desired player and number to them. Deal?
Big P, just thank yourself daily that you live in Danville, I dont even know where that is but if I did you wouldnt be screamming, you would be crying!
FDM – What good would that do? You both already have #ll jerseys.
FDM,
My reply to your offer above is give me a day to think about it. You realize if I don’t respond to them that all of my comic relief here is gone. lol
BTW, as I contemplate your offer, I’m also suggesting that the jerseys *must* have a # 11 on the back. But I’ll get back to you by tomorrow night. Ok?
Heres the thing Hof, the haters are on here only to stir it up, once they have no fuel ( us to reply back) they will be gone or the blog dies and someone will have to come and actually write some stories instead of Alex all day. Otherwise, just reply to the ones who want to talk legit 49er football, either way its less stress for all of us and cleans up the blog. Seriously, how many times a day is Bay gonna keep asking you that tired 2 questions, its time to end the Alex debate and it starts with us two vets!
Im okay with #11 on the back of my jersey, you can have the weekend to think about it! Cheers man!
FDM,
You are a coward. That’s what cowards do, threaten people with violence when they know it would never come to fruition. I have never threatened anybody with violence or made a threat period. I don’t need to and I would feel like an idiot doing it, especially behind a keyboard. Grow up and don’t dish it out if you can’t take it. Nobody gives a rats a$$ about your tenure on the blog, it means nothing.
FDM, in this deal you are neglecting. Prime, DS, One, Claude, Rocket, Niner61, Adam, L Heat, RSmiler, drsgrosse, Chicago49, tkamb, Oregoniner, Sean in Canada, LSX, Ceaderman, JGWindsor, Papa Stan, etc, etc.
Too many that disagree with those two that will continue to feed the piranha. Somehow it was thrown out that there were *only 5* that disagree with these two? Hmm.
If you don’t like what someone is saying just ignore it…
Its starts here with you and I and will snow ball, Im guaranteeing it, you think about it and get back to me.
Prime, DS, One, Claude, Rocket, Niner61, Adam, L Heat, RSmiler, drsgrosse, Chicago49, tkamb, Oregoniner, Sean in Canada, LSX, Ceaderman, JGWindsor, Papa Stan if you guys want in, we can start a new bet where all proceeds go to charity.
My point in all this is to clean this up. After the saints game I thought it was done, was I wrong! Just tired of debating the same topic with fans or supposed fans that keep bringing up one player. this will allow some self accountability if we put it towards a good cause.
@hof
Ummm. No. I have been trying to get you to stop replying to 23J for a long time now. You are the one who kept feeding 23J.
And, in case you have not noticed, they reply to me no matter what.
I have suggested nobody contact 23J and a few others (much like what FDM is proposing now if I understand it properly). Besides hof, if you toss something overboard and keep on going, the piranha has nothing to do but write lots of posts to people that don’t remotely care to read his stuff.
I don’t read any of his posts. I see him acting like does, and I reply “welcher”. And move on. If everybody did that, what would 23j have to do here?
@FDM
I’m game. With or without hof. With him, cool. Without him, just the same.
Smithers are the HATER’S and are such hypocrites, they get so sensitive about their boy toy getting insults, well Slick Jim does not think that highly of your man-crush either, that was your ammo last season which is devastating news, now go take your daily dose of Prozac or Abilify, because you do know that Smith won’t be on the club after this year. put that in your pipe and smoke it. Children !!
Please.
Ooops sent that too early.
Please. By not acknowledging that there are haters in both camps, you wear your bias on your sleeve.
Making absolute statements about what Harbaugh does or does not think about Smith is pointless.
1) You know nothing, just like the rest of us.
2) What they say and what they do are two very different things and we don’t know who is talking and who is doing. So again, you know nothing, just like the rest of us.
Fear not, Neal. The KnowNots is a big club. :)
Grant, Just heard this news, The forty Niners are talking with the KC chiefs for their 11th rd pick in the draft..In exchange for CK and the 30th pick of the 49ers in 1st round..
The 49ers think highly of Stanford G David DeCastro, if niners get the 11th pick in the draft ahead of the Cowboys 14th spot , who’s very interested also on DeCastro….DeCastro is guard thats ready to start in the NFL, he will solidify the offensive line for the 49ers for years to come..
Scott Tolzien, will be the 49ers future QB and by next year Scott Tolzien will be the legit Backup for Smith… JJ is just a safety valve just in case A. Smith gets injured.. The 49ers took an awefull risk last year without a bonified backup for Alex, with only CK and Scott Tolzien who are still under achievers in the NFL..
@23Jordan is taking this JJ signing like his a world beater..This guy is a first clown, and underrated comic..Everything this guy 23jordan say is BS and I think this isn’t even a niner fan..this is #1 troll..lol
I just heard that the Niners are in discussions with the Colts and are offering this year’s #1, next year’s #1 and #3, CK, Bowman, and Culliver for their #1. Luck gets to be reunited with JH!! Huzzah!!
I however, am willing to reveal my source. It’s the similar to yours. I pulled out of where the sun don’t shine.
Go Niners!
Huzzah!
Again, logical but not the norm thinking that way. Hmm.
Yeah but a CK move kinda makes sense in a way.
A KC thing might make sense. Cassell and Quinn is what they’re going with right now. CK is probably an upgrade over Brady Quinn and could certainly put some pressure on Cassell.
JJ doesn’t want to go from #2 with the Bucs to #3 with the Niners, no matter how much of a mancrush he has on Harbaugh. That won’t fly. And he’s got a 2-year deal so he doesn’t sound like a camp arm to me.
On the flipside, CK won’t be happy sliding from #2 to #3. I would think he’d ask for a trade.
I don’t know but we’re not carrying four QBs, something has to give somewhere. :P
really…..i guess i was going the cheap route….
didn’t think it would take both CK and the 30th pick…..
but i am down with it
it isn’t april 1st is it
didn’t read paragraphs 3 and 4….dumass
Best post IMO belongs to,
Rick Carroll II
March 22, 2012 at 8:02 pm
Tells it like it is.
This move is clearly meant to light a fire under Kaepernick.
rickysmiler,
Where did you hear that?
Unless Rick backs up his claim with a link to the source, it’s safe to assume that he pulled that news out of his ars. He’s been repeating the ‘trade CK’ chatter like a parrot on steroids.
Kinda like you posting stories 2 weeks old?
FDM
I’m not talking to you little kid. Stay out of it.
Ok Nick, gotcha ya!
You move up in the draft to get a tackle, not a guard.
Here’s my big board for the Niners @ 30:
1. Coby Fleener. 2. Kendall Wright. 3. Stephen Hill.
I would go with Wright over Fleener and Fleener over Hill.
Why Wright over Fleener?
Hill has Darrius Heyward-Bey written all over him in my opinion.
DHB was never a deep threat – not even in college. He never had good hands, nor could he track the ball. He’s always had low yards per reception averages, unlike Hill.
Scouts say Hill can catch the ball with his hands and he can track the ball. He could learn a lot from Moss, theoretically.
Grant,
The guy is explosive. They already have very good TE’s. I’m not opposed to Fleener, I just think Wright would be a better long term option for them. They will need receivers again after this season and Wright will a year under his belt by that point. Walker will be a FA as well, but V.D. is a Pro-Bowl caliber TE. Weapons are weapons, I just see WR being the bigger need. I don’t think Wright will be there, but I would be stoked if he was.
I just see Fleener easily doubling as a wide receiver, and I’d be more inclined to draft the 6-6 guy rather than the 5-10 guy if they’re in the same prospect tier.
I’d take Fleener over Wright. Fleener paired with Davis would give us a better version of the Gronk/Hernandez duo in NE. Walker has one year left on his contract and has never provided the kind of production Fleener would in this offense. I’m convinced if he’s there, he’ll be the pick. Problem is after his showing at the proday he probably won’t be.
I was thinking KWright before the MM signing. Now they go with SHill or CF. Not sure either will be there so then it gets interesting. BPA.
I hear you, he is very talented. I feel V.D. should be a 1,000 yard TE. I look at what happened to NE, the two TE’s ripped it up but the team still suffered from not having a deep threat. Those guys were 2nd and 4th round picks. If Fleener falls to #30, it’s basically a 2nd round pick so maybe it’s a wash. It will be interesting.
BigP,
Gronk was coming off a major back injury which dropped him into the second round. He was a sure fire first round pick other wise. Fleener is the same size, faster and played in this system under Harbaugh. He’s pretty much a no brainer imo if he’s there, although there will be other good players that will tempt them I’m sure.
I’m aware of the back injury, but they still suffered from not having a deep threat. That is why WR was their top priority this offseason, specifically a threat to stretch the field.
Moss, Manningham and Davis all stretch the field, as does Fleener who is considerably faster than Gronkowski.
GC, exactly. VD was the only consistent deep threat that got separation. AS didn’t over throw VD last year that I can remember. Adding CF gives AS a receiver that can win a battle over a safety or LB that is not currently on the roster.
GC,
Then VD should be able to replicate his playoff performance throughout the season if that is true. Gronkowski just destroyed the record book, despite not running as fast as Fleener in a straight line.
take out wright and put in cordy glenn for me as a possibility
This guy stinks on ice. I cannot come up with a logical reason for this but then again, I’ve never worked for the NFL. Only thing I can figure is they are thinking of trading Alex — now that he is signed — to someone combined with their number-one pick to move up in the draft. Then they have a backup QB and can turn Colin loose. Otherwise, I dunno…
Na. They have to give smith another shot to improve. No Manning meant Alex smith was the starter. If harbaugh truly means that there will be competition at every position. That would be the only way smith wouldn’t start. If harbaugh felt he got beat out.
Grant, both had prolific QB’ who will be #1 and #2 in the draft. The numbers speak for themselves.
Coby Fleener – 2011 season – 34 rec. 667 yrds.
Kendall Wright – 2011 season – 108 rec. 1663 yrds.
While Fleener is ‘intriguing’ because of his size and speed.
Wright is a flat-out ‘production machine.’
I go after K.Wright if i’m GM.
AES, Fleeners numbers are impressive when you consider how balanced the Stanford offense is. He averaged 19.61 yards per reception compared to Wright’s 15.39 ypc.
Wright comes from a gimmick system and this inflates his numbers. He is going to be the WR bust of this draft.
In my opinion Wright is just a shorter Crabtree.
Josh Johnson was signed for barely more than the Vet minimum. He’s clearly not being looked at as a potential starter. He’s a cheap backup who’s familiar with Harbaughs offense.
Exactly ! sorry bradah, I can’t disclosed my source, wait when they get the deal done..Plus i don’t Grant getting an ides where i’m getting it..
Rocket, your comment is all logic, that is why you’re not the norm here.
Really Rocket?
Because I think JJ was brought here to kick the tires. Harbaugh had great success with this kid once. He knows the playbook. He isn’t expensive to bring over. Why not bring him in to see what he can do.
At this point, Harbaugh is not committed to anyone. Does Alex have a leg up? Yes. If he doesn’t improve his league low production will that change? Yes…..
Just like when JH wasn’t going to sign AS last year ehh Bay. If JH makes a switch to JJ, I’m all in!
Bay, whats the chances that JJ can unseat Alex after 2012.. With alex having a full offseason with harbaugh system and another full season? Alex is more likely to improve more on all aspect of the game.
The forty niners took a risk not having a bonified backup QB last season.. They had 2 young QBS that arn’t ready to take the helm just in case anything happen to smith..
Hofer,
if you want to lie to get cred back then go ahead. When did I say Harbaugh wasn’t going to sign him?
I do remember saying that Baalke and York didn’t want him back. And I also remember saying Alex didn’t want to come back.
Your character is going to take a hit if you keep going down this nasty route you are going in Hofer.
Sorry you’ve looked bad this last couple of weeks. It’s your own doing….
Bay,
No argument with anything you said except that I believe Harbaugh is committed to Smith as the starter, at least for this season.
With Johnson signing a contract that small, it tells me they weren’t looking at him as a starter and are not even convinced he’ll make the team. This looks like Harbaugh giving a former pupil who he is very fond of, a shot to stay in the league.
I’ve looked around a bit since the signing, and it appears Johnson didn’t have much interest around the league and TB had already signed his replacement before he had signed with anybody.
This kid may have found the only job an NFL team was going to give him. I wish him well and hope he’s able to play like he did for Harbaugh previously, but it’s obvious he’s not being brought in with much expectation and most likely will have the #3 job if he makes the team.
I’m pretty sure Mike Shanahan was interested in Johnson, for what it’s worth.
Grant,
Possibly, but it would have been for the same role and money he got here which isn’t much.
I don’t want it to seem like I don’t like the guy, I don’t even know much about him. I’m just connecting the dots is all. It seems more like a HC doing a former player he liked a solid by giving him a shot when there doesn’t appear to be many opportunities out there for him.
Recall all that buzz surrounding the J.T. O’Sullivan pickup?
Smells familiar.
Theres nothing familiar about the JJ signing with the JTO.. Because, theres no M. Martz lover boy here ! M. Martz thought he can bring his quire boy here, because he knows Martz system, but eventually lead to both losing jobs with niners..That set back the niners..lol
@Big P, you seem to be the tough guy behind the keyboard, why dont you come up to Canada for some a$$ whooping?
If I was BigP I’d say “buy me a ticket a Hotel and I’ll be on my way”.
Why would I want to go to Canada when I live in the Bay Area? Hollow threats. I have never threatened anybody, it’s stupid. I would rather have a big tailgating party with everybody and get to know each other since we are all fans. It’s no coincidence that the threats are coming from a person who doesn’t know where Danville is and the other coming from a person in Canada. Like I said, it’s the equivalent of yelling “Fight! Fight! Fight!” when you would never have the guts to step into the ring.
You guys make sure you get it all on Youtube so the rest of us can be entertained, too. :P
It sounds like Harbaugh is pissed off he has to settle for Alex Smith quality after seeing Manning slip through his fingers…Josh is a “rebound love”. Right?
Stan, what’s the latest on the Radders?
Hofe – TGIF bro!
This is still “hands down” the best NFL blog. Wouldn’t you agree? It just keeps getting better!
The gift that keeps on giving!
I still appreciate you bro, even if we don’t always agree. Have a great weekend old pal.
Crab, back at ya! This is the best blog. Too bad we can’t get the universal good feeling we had when JH was hired. Damn, drank too much (beer) that night! lol
What? and veer off topic?…
Not Stan. Not ever!
: – )
Dammit Stan! I think I’m getting used to you; can’t be good.
Grant,
After LC’s article a couple of days ago stating CK is not ready, etc, etc, it now seems that the 9er brass feels the same way. Can we expect an article from LC with the opinion that perhaps CK is now a trade possibility??
Fleener and VD would make a formidable TE tandem. I’m not so sure how this effects VD’ mindset. Will VD have to fight for more passes? Will VD like the idea of a rookie TE getting media attention without having proved anything? Players have very fragil egos, with the Org making moves at an almost frenzied pace, it will be a challenge to keep evveryone happy.
I think Vernon would welcome anyone who got the constant double teams off of him.
@tutumate, why don’t you carpool or plane pool with Big P, there more than enough for you. BTW Big P, isn’t Danville where Phineas and Fern the cartoon is from, your kinda childish, makes perfect sense!
Alex Smith is now the ONLY QB on the Niners NOT hand picked by Jim Harbaugh.
A bit debateable..last year Baalke wanted to cut Smith loose..Harbaugh saw greatness on film,brought him back. Thats hand picked.
He had no one else. He was hand picked from a group of three. Carr, Alex and Troy.
Remember the lockout???????????
Bay, the 49ers could have let Smith walk in free agency last year, got Hasselback and or move up into the first round a get a QB. Instead JH likes AS, he’s his guy, won 14 games with him and if you think like a real fan, will win a superbowl, but thats meaning you would have to be optimistic or drunk or high to think that right? Maybe you should try it sometime, it will help you enjoy life more geezer!
Fdumb
If they could have gotten Horsesbutt last year, he wouldn’t have chosen Tennessee. Alex was serviceable and usable last year, that’s it. He knew the entire team and was the only choice in the lockout year. He was not picked by Harbaugh, he was picked by Mike Nolan.
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Summary:
Jim Harbaugh
- CK
- ST
- JJ
Mike Nolan
- AS
No,FDM clarified my position. And JJ wasnt drafted by the niners..so again,”handpicked” is debateable..there isnt a QB on the team that Harbaugh HAD to keep-even Smith.
Rusty_in_OC says:
March 23, 2012 at 12:28 pm
“I’d like to see more of Tolzien this off season. Might be something really special there.”
Rusty: From the little i’ve seen of Tolz, I would be inclined to agree with you. I don’t see the team keeping 4 QB’ going into the season. Either CK or Tolz will be gone. Two second year QB’ are to much of a project especially after the JJ signing.
It wouldn’t surprise me if the Chargers want to take another look at Tolz since they already know what he has to offer. Rivers underacheived last season and the Chargers may look to tweek their offence now that V.Jack is gone. Tolz is very accurate, and a passing type offense with Turner as coach may want him back.
JJ sucks, why did we waste money on him?
From Kevin Lynch..
.”The 49ers extended their three-year $24 million weeks ago and no matter what other quarterbacks got, or where Smith went to get free-agent offers, the 49ers were not going to budge.
The 49ers offer to Smith was crafted by research. The 49ers probably made dozens of calls to figure out if Smith had any free-agent value. They likely determined that Smith’s value was minimal and that was reflected in their offer. Smith, according to CSN Bay Area, is now the 22nd highest paid quarterback starter. “.
Smith’s value was minimal ! Yep !