Phil Barber, the great staff writer for the Santa Rosa Press Democrat, wrote his Thursday news story on Alex Smith’s relationship with the Niners, and I want to pass it on to you. Enjoy.
Told he was “our guy” from the start of free agency, only to find there was a different guy who looked even more attractive, another NFL quarterback might have sounded bitter. Or chippy. Or even defiant.
But Alex Smith, the QB who seems to give as many fresh chances as he gets, was the epitome of grace and solidarity on a conference call with Bay Area reporters Wednesday, taking the first public step in repairing his potentially fractured relationship with the 49ers.
“I was not offended at all,” Smith said, referring to his team’s ardent pursuit of a certain four-time league MVP last week. “I would have relished the opportunity to compete for the starting job with Peyton Manning.”
As it is, Smith probably won’t have to genuinely compete with anyone to be the 49ers’ starting quarterback in 2012. He can pick up where he left off – guiding his team to an overtime loss to the New York Giants in the 2011 NFC championship game, with young thrower Colin Kaepernick firmly positioned as his backup.
Finally, there is resolution to a situation that seemed cut and dried a month ago, then suddenly erupted into full soap-opera drama when the 49ers unexpectedly jumped into the Manning Derby. Coach Jim Harbaugh and offensive coordinator Greg Roman flew to North Carolina to watch Manning work out at Duke University – an overture reportedly initiated by Manning – and the Niners soon were cast as one of three teams in the hunt, along with the Broncos and Titans.
That development apparently prompted Smith, who played last season on a one-year deal, to explore his own free-agent options. He visited the Miami Dolphins over the weekend, and supposedly even began discussing contract language.
Were those discussions serious?
“It seemed serious at the time, but this was the plan all along,” Smith said. “Get back here and get it done.”
As we all know by now, Manning chose the Broncos, Miami signed David Garrard to compete with Matt Moore at quarterback, and Smith’s leverage was reduced to almost nothing. He signed a three-year pact at 49ers team headquarters Wednesday. It had long been reported that the team was offering Smith $10 million guaranteed money. The Associated Press reported Tuesday that the signed contract calls for $16.5 million guaranteed.
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I’ve never heard where the source of Smith’s alleged hurt feelings were. It seems to me that it has just been repeated so many times by so many different media commentators that people just accept it as true. Alex knows as well as anyone that football is a business and JH has said from his very first moment here that the team will always be looking to improve at every position including QB. That wasn’t just a talking point and Alex has never been under any illusion the team would hesitate to bringing in a better QB should the opportunity present itself.
I would have much preferred that Smith come in a little perturbed — with a chip on his shoulder to prove he is the answer at QB. The fact that he just accepts everything is either disingenuous to me, or sad that he lacks a certain aggressiveness in his personality. I hope he was just playing nice for the media and is really intent on competing with a hard edge to him this season. I think JH would welcome AS challenging him with an little attitude this year.
Love him or hate him, I just think he is generally a nice guy.
Alex doesn’t necessarily need to show that “chip on the shoulder” but I’m pretty sure it’s brewing inside him & will be a motivating factor thru out the Season next year.
Yep you nailed it dangle,
This should be a lesson for all 49er bloggers. And that is….
Unless comments are coming directly from the Source then you can’t believe anything that’s coming for our Dearly Beloved Local Media.
I learned that a long time ago.
TROLOLOL
Very good point Dangle. Alex is a professional and he understands this is the NFL and regardless of your status you can be replaced any time if there is an opportunity for the team to improve or if the team is changing direction. I believe the media as always tries to create drama and some groupies which call themselves fans that live in a totally delusional world perceive that Alex deserves more than what the niners offered him!!! I am glad everything worked out and as expected Alex handled this whole situation professionally. GO NINERS
Thanks for the read!
Regarding hurt feelings, AS had already gone through two poor inexperienced HCs, MMartz and his hand picked QB JTO, the courting of KWarner, etc. AS is the epitome of “armadillo skin”! He was cool throughout the process letting his agent’s staff handle the details until the PM mega-deal was out of the way. Interesting that AS got *more* than was anticipated. A win for both parties since CK isn’t ready and JJ wasn’t really a viable option based on his NFL body of work to date.
@Hofer
Thanks for sharing insider info regarding Alex. We know of your close ties with him :)
Hofe, we all know that Alex is the consummate professional. No one has ever doubted that for a moment. But if Alex is willing to move on from this why can’t many here move on from continuing to blame all of Alex’ past woes on HC.’
Will Alex always be insulated from any future mistake because any flaw will be traced back to Nolan and Singletary!
Let’s see, if Alex throws an INT let’s blame it on NolanTary. If the 49ers fail to make the playoffs because Alex regresses from last season, hey, no fault placed on Alex, you guessed it, blame it on NolanTary!
C’mon folks, when can we officially forget about the past like Alex is willing to do and begin to give Alex credit when it’s due, as well as give him criticism when he makes a mistake without using the NolanTary excuse.
Alex has shown through this recent process that he’s all grown up now. I hope the Alex crowd is ready move on and grow up with him.
OBTW, welcome back Alex – let’s go win a Superbowl!
AES, once CK starts he better be lights out better than AS because he has *no excuse* with the infrastructure he was integrated into with JH and staff. TBD.
@AES
You have a good point in that not every flaw/mistake should be traced back to NolanTery. I think he should be judged by the same standard applied to rookie qb is the league they generally get 2-3 years to show what they have. Now I know AS is not a rookie so lets shorten his leash to 1-2 years year 1 he had 17 td 5 int with 90 ish qb rating if we see a steady increase in his second year (2012) then we can reasonably believe that he is on track to evolve in to a good qb. You have to admit that NolanTery didnt do him any favours running up the middle on 1st and 2nd leaving third and long with a s*ity line and no WR threats
@BOS49er
Better to use Games played as a true measurement of NFL experience than years in most cases. Especially for AS who basically missed 2 years worth due to injury and that first year….that should not count for anything. That team stank more than the team that got the #1 overall pick.
If you used games played AS has more like 4.5 years of actual NFL experience. Subtract all but the last 16 games with a real coaching staff for him and it is only 3.5 years of experience. Experience in a bad system, bad coaches, bad players.
And what is the time most people give QB’s? 3 years.
And what was the record AS had at his 3 year mark? 7-1 (mid point of the season record of the Niners). That is who we have. And he is just now starting to play well. You don’t just get rid of 7-1 at the 3 year mark.
Smith got more then anticipated? What I’ve read fox-espn-the Chron an so on!! They said the same think, that he took an under valued contract for a QB. That he took less then Flynn! and I sure the hell don’t think it’s a big win for the niners to even sign him for 3 yrs, even though only 10 million is guranteed. Tell me what they added to the pot?? If maybe we could get more then 3 yrds to are WR from are Qb-We’d be in SB. Watch Bress sometime when the “D” is hanging all over him an see where his eyes are looking at. Check Smith out when the rush is on where he’s looking!! Smiths looking at the ground or rolling to the right to throw it out of bounds!
Did you not read that he got $16.5 mil guaranteed? That is 60% more guaranteed. Additioanlly with incentives it maxes out at $33 mil.
MF’s total without incentives was $19M and $26M total with $10M guarantee. AS received $24M and $33M total with $16.5M guarantee. See the difference?
Hofer,
Sorry to bust your bubble, but Smith got $9 million guaranteed.
http://www.csnbayarea.com/football-san-francisco-niners/niners-talk/Source-49ers-raised-Smiths-offer-slightl?blockID=674522&feedID=5936
I’m confident the AP report of $16.5 million is correct.
Guaranteed for injury? Skill? 2013 might only be guaranteed if he is still on the roster by a certain date. I call cap shenanigans until the breakdown is released.
Looks like two years combined. That’s where they’re getting the $16.5 mil
DS
Thats what I was trying to say that even though he has 7 yrs in the league, circumstances reduced that to much less games than normal. Im 50/50 on AS I dont want to give up on him untill he has proven that even with all pieces in place he cant produce. But at the same time how much rope do u give him. I think this contract is perfect for him because he has 2 years to show what he can do in the JH system and if he falters CK will be here in the last year of his contract to show what he can do
@BOS49er
“But at the same time how much rope do u give him. I think this contract is perfect for him”
I have no problems with the contract from AS side. I mean, he clearly didn’t, because he signed it. So it would make no sense for anybody else to be upset about it from his angle.
The side I don’t like about it is from the Niners side.
If AS wins a Super Bowl this year or next, that is going to up the price of his next contract by a lot. The Niners are set to win, right now. So it is very possible for the team to win next year and/or the following year. If that happens, then the Niners will HAVE to put up more money in say 2014 for AS than they would if they gave him a longer term contract right now and had him in as some set amount in 2014 and beyond.
Well, some players who are very good right now, like Bowman happen to have their contracts come to an end in 2014. So, the Niners will have to pay him a lot more money than they are now in order to keep the guy around at around this point.
If AS isn’t under contract for that season (and has another few years added after it, meaning he got a long term contract right now) then the Niners will need to lose a great player more than likely. And instead of having Bowman and AS, they will likely lose one. How does our team get better by losing great players?
That is why the contract length is a big deal. Sure AS could renegotiate the contract after winning a Super Bowl. But at the very least, he is under contract here to stay at a set price lower than if he wins the Super Bowl later. The price of the contract set now would be lower (and consequently the starting point of negotiations) than it will be when AS wins the Super Bowl. Consequently, the middle point is reached at a lower price, saving the Niners money at that time to keep/get somebody who the Niners may not have been able to keep/get.
It is about saving money in the future to sign players who we need to keep then. Not just about AS now.
I would have given him a long term contract for like 6 years, with most of the guaranteed money in the first half of the contract and plenty of incentives thru out. That way, if AS is not the guy JH wants the Niners are not in salary cap hell for dropping AS. But if AS is the QB I and JH think he can be, then the Niners will have a future lower staring point to open negotiations to restructure his contract than they do if they have a short term contract.
Did you not listen to Smith?
The relationship was never broken. Note to media. Stop making stuff up.
@DS
Again valid point I guess where we differ is on whether its better to overpay now or later.
The reason i favor the shorter contract is that if we win the next 2 SB then during the 3rd year (AS contract year) we could renegotiate w him and granted while the price will be higher it will be well worth it. After all PM with his 1 sb win just got 19.2 mil/year deal. so even if its 15-17 mil/yr it will be worth it for a two time SB winning qb
On the other hand if we gave him a good deal that was front loaded (like u sugested) then we would have less money to spend NOW when both u and I agree were trying to win. the deals that fitzpatrick, sanchez, shaub ,kolb etc signed are killing their teams cap. AZ had to give up on PM to pay Kolb that bonus which he clearly didnt deserve. Id rather overpay after the wins than overpay and get litlle in return like the players mentioned above.
Also if we win 2 sb maybe bowman or AS give us the hometown/SB winer discount. If not im sure there would be a line of guys ready to take less for a chance to play for a winer and perenial contender. like they did in NE for years
Just a difference in philosophy i guess but Id rather have the problem of trying to keep a 2 time SB team together than worry about building one
@BOS49er
“On the other hand if we gave him a good deal that was front loaded (like u sugested) then we would have less money to spend NOW…”
I’m sorry. Mis-understanding. I say keep the same type of contract he has now (just signed) in terms of the upfront money we owe him this year. I’m fine with that. I just say you add a couple more years to the contract while keeping the guaranteed money the same (or slightly higher but not much). We can add incentive stuff towards the end of the contract. If AS is still the starter, he will have earned them anyway.
We will still compete fine with the contract the Niners gave him right now. We still have some money left (though maybe not for Wallace and if Wallace wants LF money, we never had that much money) to do something.
I’m in complete agreement with you about those other QB’s you brought up. They stink. Especially Kolb. 2 wins? The Cards instantly started winning when Kolb instantly stopped being the starter. Think that was coincidence?
AS is a classy guy … glad he’s back. He’s earned the chance to lead this team once again in 2012.
…Alex is having a great day…..He gets a financial commitment from the 49ers and next season he avoids seeing Gwilliams the one defensive coordinator that loves blitzing him …..
…..done 7 + 2 more to go = 9th live is the superbowl…….Myth much!!!
@oneniner
I actually wish Williams was on the Rams. Get payback twice a year. Now that may never happen.
I don’t care who the DC is over there. We are better than the Rams, and will crush their will when we play them.
This is why I’m a fan.
Rule the West and Stomp the Rest!
Class act all the way!!
Its funny how the media’s goes to the extent just to get a story, and its not even a reliable stories they get. Maybe they got some of the scoop fromGM 23jordans. lol
Nope. 23jordans would have leaked that in a fit of sheer desperation Alex Smith dropped to his knees cocked his revolver and tried to end it all. He would have followed that up with…
“See people Smith can’t do anything right”.
23jordan should stick to Basketball and being a Bulls fan.
Still not convinced it’s as simple as Alex makes it sound. As I said $6.5 million goes a long way to soothing hurt feelings.
I think the $6.5 was more to show future Free Agents as well as those Players currently on the roster, that the 9ers aren’t above correcting their mistakes.
I was calling for Baalke’s head yesterday. I can let this mistake go. Cause that’s what it was imho. A young GM going through a learning experience. Everyone gets one of those right? :)
Exactly !
….it could be the incentives…..
Give it a break Cead, I read your comments here and on other blogs where you were ripping the FO and were noticeably annoyed because of how they were handling the AS situation. Which are you (a) Niner fan or (b) Alex fan?
Which are you (a) Niner fan or (b) Alex fan?
Those things are not mutually exclusive. Why do the Haters seem to have so much trouble understanding that?
I don’t understand this. It’s like Jordan sent a memo around from his lair with talking points that must be repeated. It’s like a mantra. Maybe if it’s said often enough it will come true.
I was annoyed, too Nick. Yet, I also said Manning was an upgrade.
Must be confusing. Am I in the Smither box or the Hater box?
Hmmm…
Adam
Kind of like your ‘bastard’ comment regarding the Niner organization.
There’s a difference Mr. Balls. Fans of the team support the team first (regardless of the FO, players, etc.). Alex fans support Alex first, then the team 2nd.
Nick, I’ve been thinking a lot about that lately. It’s not about supporting Alex first, it’s about supporting the players first. They make the team, not the other way around. I’ve been a fan for over 30 years but without the players, what exactly is there to be a fan of? An emblem? A color scheme? People come first.
@Ed
I agree with your premise, but I was referring to a select few on this blog – the staunch Alex supporters who seem to go beyong irrational in their fandom.
“Fans of the team support the team first (regardless of the FO, players, etc.). Alex fans support Alex first, then the team 2nd.”
Nick, you can’t see how contradictory that statement is?
No Nick
Alex fans cheer for the whole team to look and play well. Kinda what you do when a player is on your team.
The non-AS fans cheer for AS to be bad so that they are right at the teams expense.
If you are a Niner fan, then you must really hate yourself a lot if you hate the QB of your team for 7 years. Never did anything to you.
Get perspective people.
I’m not advocating hate. Alex is a solid person from all indications. As a football player, however, he’s average. All Niner fans should want to field the best team possible (at all positions, not just QB). I think we can do better than what we’ve seen so far from Alex. Let’s hope Alex transforms himself and gives us better production.
Smithers, after this year, all Alexcuses will go away – better WRs, better OL, better coaching, 2 consecutive years, etc. – not to mention stud Defense and solid Special Teams. Alex better light it up or we’ll be on his as$ harder than ever.
@nick
You can’t say that with any certainty (better WR bit).
What if RM is the Oakland Raider RM, and Manningham gets hurt. Then what? You just kick AS out because of that?
You also need to hold every other player under the same tough criteria. What criteria are you using? You need to use the same (if possilble) for every other player.
I’ll help you out some. You can’t hold AS or any other QB like you can with any other player on the team. Blogs spend way too much time talking about what a great QB does. Not enough time on how the QB is the most dependent player on the field on his teammates. If a pass play is called, and the OL cracks, what can the QB do? If the WR can’t get open, what can the QB do? If the RB can’t run the ball, and the defense is playing nickle and dime all day long , can you blame the QB for not finding an open WR? If the defense is giving up a lot of points, do you expect the QB to not throw it into coverage to try to get back into the game, or does that make things worse?
There are a lot of questions/situations which no QB has any real power over. He may be the general, but if the soldiers all suck, or are basically an undisciplined mess, no general is going to do you any good.
By all expert accounts all those pieces are in place for the 49ers win so Alex has no more excuses.
Nick,
Alex won’t have excuses but the guys that follow him have so many….. They remind me of the magician that pulls the color tissue out the sleeve. You think to yourself, man there can’t be anymore tissue in there, but there is. More and more and more. That’s how the apologists are with the Alexcuses.
Alex to his credit doesn’t make excuses. He doesn’t consistently play well either.
Lets see if he busts out with anymore 120 yard games. Then he throws one touchdown and these morons yell “CLUTCH” LOL.
@nick
True for right now.
Of course, every NFL team had a great draft and found some gems that others passed on who can really contribute to the team immediately.
Ever hear that?
Thinks look good right now. We have no idea what happens when the bullets start flying.
@NickRow:
Speaking of irrational, why does Smith have to light it up? If the team wins the Super Bowl, but Smith doesn’t put up fantasy football numbers, you will be on his a$$ harder than ever?
That’s what I am talking about when I say that you Haters put your dislike of Smith ahead of your fandom for the team. Your priorities are completely screwed up. The 49ers went 13-3 this year and came within a hair of the Super Bowl, and you have spent more time bitching about Alex Smith’s perceived shortcomings than you have enjoying what was a fantastic season of football. You guys are the ones who are irrational about on Alex Smith.
@NickRow:
Alex better light it up or we’ll be on his as$ harder than ever
I have noticed that you, jordan, bay, etc. frequently drop references to Alex Smith’s a$$, jock, nuts, etc. in your comments. What’s that about? I’m no psychiatrist, but the frequency with which your comments turn homoerotic is curious. It’s almost like you’re trying to repress something, but it keeps breaking out.
@bay:
Then he throws one touchdown and these morons yell “CLUTCH” LOL.
Why are you talking about Harbaugh that way?
@claude
Nice try at diverting the argument with the ad hominem attack. You can’t argue the fact that Alex is a flawed average QB. He’s what I call a 4 trick pony:
1. Throw to primary WR
2. Roll right
3. Check down
4. Create a sack by holding on to the ball too long
Nice one Eco
@EcoEnrico:
I am not sure which comment you are replying to. How did I attempt to divert attention with an ad hominem attack?
By the way, I applaud you for your proper use of italics for the latin ad hominem.
As to the merits of your comment, I don’t think anyone here denies that Smith has areas in which he needs to approve. But don’t make the mistake that others have made, namely, that the Alex Smith we saw pre-Harbaugh is the same Alex Smith we have seen since Harbaugh arrived. He showed much more game last year than ever before. I look forward to what he can do with an off-season to actually learn the system.
Not really sure that fits the definition of an ad hominem attack.
He was giving them a little poke, there was no fallacy of relevance or an argument of any type. You see what I mean?
Generally an ad hominem would be akin to what the haters often say: “…of course you’re going to say he’s great, you’ve been on his jock for years now.”
You see the confusion of the two topics? Trying to remember logic from college but if I recall it’s called an argumentum ad hominem. One has nothing to do with the other but it’s a way to insult the person and not attack the actual topic. Or… playing the ball instead of the man.
Those who use the ad hominem attacks have generally lost the argument before it’s begun.
There are several posters here that do this on a consistent basis.
And to be honest, I’ve caught myself doing it a few times, too. :P
@Nick
I’m a big time Smither and I agree with you. With a 2nd year in a system, more talent in the receiving corps and Iupati and Davis entering their 3rd year on the O-Line, it’s up to Smith to definitively prove he should continue starting. All depends on Caepernick proving he’s ready for the role. Smith’s contract is structured for that to happen – which I totally agree with. The question is, what are his critics’ metric to determine success? Are we talking Tom Brady numbers? Matt Flynn numbers?
*needs to improve
Holy crap, that was horrible.
“your ‘bastard’ comment.”
Plural: bastard(s).
@ Ed
One metric could be to improve from the 30th rank passing attack to somewhere in mid teens (team stat). Improve in individual stat areas: yards/game from 197 to ~280, Yards/attempt from 7.1 closer to ~8, minimize sacks by getting rid of the ball quicker, etc.
Grant, i guest your blogg on A. Smith has died down ! Thats okay something will come up, you’ll get another story to stir up.. maybe with J. Johnson or CK..
I can see Alex Smith passing for about 3600-4000 yards next season along with 27-34 touchdowns and around 10 interceptions… Because if anyone watched every game last year, they would know that in each game it seemed like there was at least 1 dropped 30 to 50 yard touchdown pass by a receiver.
The most memorable one to me was the Delanie Walker touchdown in Detroit which would have put that game out of reach instead of need last minute heroics to win. And i’ll take Randy Moss’s hands over Ted Ginn’s hands at Wide Receiver every day. Hopefully Manningham will be healthy the entire season because losing Josh Morgan to me felt like the season would have ended in a Super Bowl if Morgan never caught that 19 yard pass from Kaep in the Bucs game.
With the schedule next year is brutal but, I can see the 49ers winning at the very least 10 games and possibly 16 games considering they are returning arguably the top defense in the NFL with all the players in tact with a much improved offense. Also, the Saints game this year is looking more and more like an easy win for the 49ers since their franchise seems to be imploding from their bounty scandal.
Hopefully in the draft Baalke and Harbaugh draft anyone who is 6’4” or taller in the 1st 4 rounds to catch the football. At this point, trading back in the 1st round seems like the best option, especially if the 49ers get like a 2nd rounder and like 2 3rd rounders or something of this nature. For the most part this draft will seem like a draft for back ups and depth while looking for draft prospects who could possibly be ready to start come 2013.
Is it Draft day yet?…
Serious ADHD….
Tony,
Gotta put that stuff away. It’s not good for you.
23jordan says:
September 20, 2011 at 8:55 am
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Mcosac,
I’ll stop posting here altogether if Alex Smith Is a 49er next year. Write that down and locknot in.
Alex Smith should have been paid a radio flyer, a pound of good weed and a talent transplant.
Go back to your side of the world ! Don’t let the door hit you on your way out chump..
I invite you to force me back to “my side of the world,” whatever that is. Come to my home and try to force me.
Alex should really work on his mechanics & consistency. He tends to lock on one receiver/TE and by the time he realize they’re not open it’s too late. Too many balls being batted down by the D-line. My gut tells me that once he starts throwing highs, lows, behind the receiver passes…. Moss & Manningham will lose interest to be part of it. Only this time we have a tougher schedule and opposing teams are somewhat familiar with our offensive schemes….. it’s not being negative I’m just keeping it real!
Good Jon 49ers! Got the right man signed. Grant & all the Smith haters can eat some crow! Man can’t believe Grant’s hating on Smith lately?? Hopefully he’s doing it to just create some buzz?? Who knows who cares! We got our man that lead us to 13-3!!
Cohn’s reporting is like he’s covering a bunch of 3rd graders…………These are grown A** men, the NFL is a big boy league, they know what they are getting into. Glad to have mr. Smith back, now let’s focus on 12′
They’re grown men but like the discussions earlier on ESPN radio (on the Jets and Tebow) they want to be treated with respect.
Nothing wrong with that idea.
Just give Josh Johnson a shot. Let the chips fall where they may.
http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/football-insider/post/free-agent-qb-josh-johnson-says-he-will-visit-redskins-and-49ers/2012/03/20/gIQAGoTbQS_blog.html
Seriously!??
Seriously.
Why not? Surely Alex can beat out Josh in camp, right?
I sort of like the Josh Johnson idea but not because I think Josh is all that great. I just think all 3 QBs on the team would have similar skill sets so in case of injury the team wouldn’t have to drastically alter the playbook.
They’d all be athletic enough to roll right and throw it out of bounds.
23jordan says:
September 20, 2011 at 8:55 am
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Mcosac,
I’ll stop posting here altogether if Alex Smith Is a 49er next year. Write that down and locknot in. He may get benched before the season is over. He will NOT be back here next year.
23jordan says:
September 20, 2011 at 8:59 am
Sorry, lock it in.
Cut and Paste Sall,
I’m not going Anywhere!!! You Smithers get used to it.
Gm 23 jordan, If j.johnson is so good of a QB as you say, why couldn’t he even beat out J. Freeman for the starting job? Doesn’t it tells you something that the head coaches, OFC in TB knows more than you do, why his only a back up at best…lol
Ricky,
My little puppy dog. You have to know football to talk football son. Josh Freeman was a number 1 draft pick. Josh Johnson was a 5th round pick. TB is not going to give up on Freeman after 3 years. We’ve stuck with the horrible Smith for 7 years. you give that #1 pick every chance to succeed. Just not 7 years. We’ll see what happens if the Niners sign Josh. Then you can see for yourself.
Learn how to sign on using your name, while you continue to post ignorant comments. You’re not in my league. Now go take a pee little fella.
Jordo, who will have better stats this year JJ, JF, or AS? Come on I want to hear your WRONG prediction again. Can you state one thing you’ve been correct about in your prognostication over the last two years? lol
What stats are you speaking about Alexfan11? We know Elite Alex is arrows across. Lol 197 yards per game. He better not falter, he’ll be sitting on the couch right next to you. How much does he pay you to post in his favor??? He should pay BS as well.
Not much to say now. Gotta wait for training camp. We know how Smith loves camp battles. Bwahahahaha!
Jordan,
if I were Ricky I’d hide my name too. Most Alex fans don’t show their face or name in public.
I can’t even get Hofer to admit that he’s tied to Smith and that’s why he makes emotional based decisions versus smart football decisions when discussing him.
23jordan says:
September 20, 2011 at 8:55 am
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Mcosac,
I’ll stop posting here altogether if Alex Smith Is a 49er next year. Write that down and lock [it] in.
GM23Jordan, How long have you been a niner fan?
Sure I am not in your ignorant league, I been a forty niner fan since 1970 ‘s ..Probably you were still on your diapers… Don’t tell me i don’t know football cause i seen the best of them..Your boy J. Johnson is the same as your previous boys T. Smith and N. Davis who’s are unemployed from football…lol
Talking about your credibility, you don’t have one … Can’t stay away, thought you said you won’t come if? Will see when niners sign JJ , dream on dude ! Now take your anxiety medication to calm your head down..lol
Welcher.
That welcher comment is for 23J
BS,
Is my little dumb troll. I think you’re football stupid on purpose so you can get attention from more knowledgeable posters. I heard you went to sleep last night! Pretty damn exciting isn’t it. You are everyone’s punching bag up here.
Have you found out who Geoff Schwartz is yet. You’re a real dweeb!! Just plain football stupid! Might
Be your bedtime again.
23jordan says:
September 20, 2011 at 8:55 am
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Mcosac,
I’ll stop posting here altogether if Alex Smith Is a 49er next year. Write that down and locknot in.
Welcher
Welcher
As much as it pains me to agree with DS and Claude… you did welch Jordan.
BS , Claude, Msc
Still here and not going anywhere. So it really does not matter. I’ll be here as long as the 49ers are playing football in the bay area. Long after Alex is gone.
23J welcher
>>Still here and not going anywhere.
Then maybe you should put a curb on your posting diarrhea, not make moronic vows you don’t intend to keep. That would go a long ways in bringing your credibility an inch from the gutter.
Then you can post nonsense about JJ, and put yourself right back there.
@23welcher:
Still here and not going anywhere. So it really does not matter. I’ll be here as long as the 49ers are playing football in the bay area. Long after Alex is gone.
Should we write that down and locknot it in?
23=welcher
23J=Willy the Welcher!
@FDM
If I am replying to anything from 23 J it will basically be
“23J is a welcher” Nothing all that different. It will drive him crazy after awhile.
Ds, copy that, its only fair, I mean he put it out there, no one asked him to do it, but these haters are all the same, talk, talk, talk, talk!
You’ve done it now Jordy.
Gonna play you some Elton John cuz you still makin’ friends. :P
If Matt Flynn post better stats than Alex Smith this upcoming season, then then answer is we got the wrong QB under center…
Great point
QB are only as good as the people around them.
Edge,
Are you saying that’s what you expect?
Doesn’t sound like a fan of the 9ers.
Was that Warner that said that the other day? One of the QB commentators said that the other day on NFL Net.
Made me giggle like a little school girl. I always think of this blog whenever the Pros say something that the Schmoes would find totally offensive. :P
@Adam
It is hilarious when the same people who worship at the JM shrine, completely dismiss the guys opinion on what it takes to be a good QB and what you need to even be good.
He said IF. And he is right, the niners didn’t even make a push to try and work out Flynn. Meanwhile the hawks wanted to fly in smith then laughed as they blew him off while offering Flynn a better deal then the miners wanted to give smith! You can be a fan of a team and still be critical.
@ Shawn also the niners have a pretty good team this year. Any failure to compete on the field can’t be blamed on the lack of talent on the team
This isnt fantasy football. Stats matter not. Wins matter. If Smith has 22tds, 10int and a 12-4 record, and Flynn has 28tds, 12ints and a 8-8 record, you going to be mad? You think he’s the better qb?
Why would fans of this team be happy they got back a poor qb that nobody else wanted I don’t understand? Gotta be a physical attraction thing or something with nothing to do with football right?
No it’s called continue building what was started last year.
Damn, you new haters make the old haters look downright pleasant.
We need some new kooky Smithers to balance this out.
You’re a Smither so I guess you qualify.
@Adam, I resent being referred to as “pleasant”.
How do you feel about “mildly obtrusive” msc?
Good one um… .
Do we call you, “point” or “period” or “dot”? Give a brother some help on that one, would ya?
Does anybody truly and honestly believe that Smith’s feelings and pride wasn’t hurt just a little bit? That he didn’t say to himself and one point or another, “DAMN?! Can I get just a little respect?” I don’t care what anybody says … He’s HUMAN!! Of course he was hurt. He had to of been. However, he is a consumate professional and he knows the business. He did what he had to do and the 9ers did what they had to do. They’re back together now and it’s time to move forward and prepare for the twenty-twelve campaign. But make no mistake. He was hurt, but he’s not gonna go an’ say that now because no good will come of it. He will move on like he always does. Alex is a fighter.
I think that Smith has been put through so much with fans,media,and even coaches that he let it roll off. If he did n’t then I don’t think he would still be playing football today.
Guapo – No matter who’s side you’re on, their ALL liars!
They all say nothings changed. Riiiiigggghhht!
@el
So, you would be hurt then?
Wellllll …. Yeah!! Just a little. Or felt disrespected in some way. Anyone who says they wouldn’t have is straight LYING!! Or full of themselves. The NFLN had reported a source close to Alex said he had been upset over the situation. But Alex has this great ability to roll with the punches and put things behind him. That’s what I like about him. He doesn’t let his emotions get the best of him, and it pays off. But to answer your question. Yes. I mean, I wouldn’t have hung myself in my basement over it, but I woulda felt a little somethin’.
As would I. Just checking El.
I hope Kaep & Tolzien gets a chance to compete for the starting role. All we hear are speculations only. But I want to see how they react, respond and deliver under pressure through the rigorous course of the season. I’ve seen enough of Alex that’s all I have to say…..
Josh Johnson—-right, because he has done so well in the NFL…05- in his starts….josh johnson= anybody but smith to the haters lingo
Mark,
Donyou know anything about Josh Johnson. If you don’t research, you ultimately sound like a hater. What if his NFL coaching has been worse than Smiths? What if the offense has been just as bad? You sound like a hypocrite. Let’s see if Josh gets signed by the Niners. Would be exciting.
We know that Mia chose DGerard over the great JJ! Who is courting JJ Jordo Blamertude other than you!!?
Actually, jordan have a point. Josh Johnson is an unknown in the NFL. How many OCs has he had? Did he have to learn new systems every year or was there scheme consistency? More importantly,
23jordan says:
September 20, 2011 at 8:55 am
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Mcosac,
I’ll stop posting here altogether if Alex Smith Is a 49er next year. Write that down and locknot in.
23j, Quit it with the Johnson talk son. He would be hard pressed to challenge Tolzien for #3 you clown.
Go back to nipping on your Natural Light and leave the football talk to the big boys biotch, (that should just about cover the dialogue of a typical Jordan post).
Jack: “23j, Quit it with the Johnson talk son. He would be hard pressed to challenge Tolzien for #3 you clown.”
Then why do the Smithers get so upset at the idea of the 49ers signing Johnson? I’m not a Josh fan at all but some folks get completely spastic at the idea the 49ers might sign him.
I think there are some insecurity issues. Not surprising really. The 49ers have been trying to replace Alex for 4 years now.
msc, First off are you implying I am a Smither? Second, Johnson has been pretty bad when given the opportunity to play. The only reason these guys bring him up is because they read an article or two at some point over the last 14 months since Harbaugh was hired, saw that he put up huge numbers under him at USD, so he must be good right.
Look at the guys numbers, 54% completion rate and only 5td’s to 10 int’s.
He would have trouble beating out Tolzien, and probably won’t even make a 2012 NFL roster.
Jack: “First off are you implying I am a Smither? ”
Nope. Sorry if I gave that impression.
I agree that Josh isn’t “all that”. But the sense of panic from certain commentators when his name is mentioned amuses me. I’m also not sold on Tolzien or CK for that matter so bringing in another body to camp is a good idea in my book.
Sure…Bring him in to compete for the backup or 3rd spot. I think the Smithers go crazy about it because those that bring him up want him to be the starter, and if you look at Johnson objectively you can see how off that is.
Jack,
Fuc- you punk. You sound like a rank idiot claiming that Hohnson couldn’t out perform any QB on our roster. We will find out if he gets signed. Different QB’s perform differently in certain offenses. Just ask your idol Alex about that. You’re a complete fool to think he won’t be on a roster. I hope he signs here and then you can see for yourself you dimwit!
@msc
Who has ever panicked when JJ is brought up?
I didn’t even know the guy existed until this blog talked about him. And, I only see him talked about here. So…pardon me if I laugh at the notion that JJ is real competition for AS right now.
I don’t care at all if they brought him in. Let there be a 4 QB try-out in TC. AS will win the starting job. JJ will only kick out one of the guys the haters have wanted in place of AS all year long. CK or Tolzein.
I have nothing against any of them, including JJ. But NO GM’s are even trying to call up JJ. At least with AS, I heard confirmed reports that nobody was pursuing him because they were convinced he (AS) wants to stay in SF, so why bring him in? What kind of reports have you heard about JJ? The only thing I have heard was that he is without a job right now. Nobody has brought him in, including the Bucs.
If JJ were to brought in, it would be to pressure CK into getting better. That would be the realistic purpose of such a move. And, that would kind of worry me in a way. That CK can’t just work at it just as intensely as if he is not “assured” his role.
What are you still doing here welcher?
I personally want to see CK and Tolzien here this season. I don’t know why, but I have a gut feeling on Tolzien.
If JJ comes in, we’re not carrying 4 QBs so one goes. I like the hand we were dealt right now.
>>I’ll stop posting here altogether if Alex Smith Is a 49er next year. Write that down and locknot in.
In fairnesss Claude, Jordo is no longer posting here, he’s just throwing around insults like like feces coming from the zoo’s simian cage.
Jordo: Fuc- you punk. You sound like a rank idiot claiming that Hohnson couldn’t out perform any QB on our roster.
@ribico
You know, normally I don’t like the type of thing you wrote in your last paragraph.
But, this is not a normal situation.
I also bet 23J is coming on here as some of these “new” morons who show up here with nothing to contribute but to throw insults at anybody. Get onto a new computer/phone/etc with a new name and just continue the barrage.
DS,
I was quoting Jordo there. Sorry that I left out my trademark <<'s
It seems to me that the Media is making a bigger deal out of the Niners and Smith’s relationship needing repair. I guess if you can’t find something true to wright about then you have to create something.
Alex Smith will throw more INTs this upcoming season than the previous one. And here’s the reason why:
-Tougher schedule
-Familiarity of our offensive schemes
-Passing ave. will up by (30-40+/game)
-2 F.A. receivers whose strong assets will be mainly use for vertical passing (High reward; susceptible for INTs)
-Batted passes
-Questionable O-line (pass protection/inconsistent plays esp now without Snyder)
Harbaugh and Roman knows what they’re doing ! They already have someone penciled in place of A. Snyder guarantee ..
Yeah it’s Daniel Kilgore or Mike Pearson I believe is what I heard that they will be competing at RG, unless they bring in a veteran Guard
Or the ex-cowboy Davis..
Heh- Harbaugh sure didn’t know what he was doing when was trying out Manning. But now that Alex is back Harbaugh knows what he’s doing again. Love it.
msc, Hit the nail squarely on the head with that one.
He won’t throw more INTS. He’ll take more sacks because he doesn’t know how to go through a progression. Or he’ll bail out of the pocket like he did against the Giants in the 4th quarter with no pressure. Then he’ll check down but at least that will get his QBR higher….
@Bay, i am not hiding my name, Why would I? How long have you been a forty niner fan? I have been a niner fan since the Vietnam Era in the early 70′s..
IF you think that I play little boys game, your mistaken my friend.. Seriously you and 23 jordan are made for each other…but you fools are whiners and Alex haters..
So thats it for Alex, no room for improvent, cant get better, wont get better, seems a little negative from a fans perspective Bay?
I’m just tired of going on blind faith year after year with Alex. I want more bodies brought in. I truly want the best man to win. Not the one that is getting paid the most and that the entire NFL thinks is a bust.
I want the weakest position on our team addressed. Eight years of this crap is enough.
Yes there are past reasons why but god dammit let’s deal in the here and now.
The 49 ers are there, really one bad fumble away from an appearance in the superbowl. Nothing was fluky about last year, this team is built for now and in the future to compete against the best. They did it last year and now there even better and after the draft and a full offseason, that includes Alex, they are for real.
What were you saying the past 7 years, were you as critcal with the offensive line when they coul’nt baock, or the secondary that could’nt cover, or the coaches who could’nt cooach, or the front office that couldnt draft?
@Bay, If you look at the perspective the only QB right now that can take the niners to the SB is A. Smith, his the best option for the niners..Last season the 49ers were just 2 miscues away into the SB. Honestly i do believe the niners wouldv’e won it all..
If the niners don’t make it with Alex to the Sb this year and makes all the same mistakes hes done in past.. I’ll side with you in your opinion of him, but till than give the kid a chance in his 2nd year with harbaugh era, than judge his ability after..
Understood. But look at it from this standpoint. Let’s say that Alex has hit his ceiling which could very well be.
While it’s true that CK’s first year he will go through some struggles, at some point it will be a necessity won’t it? Whether it’s this year or next.
Why are we in this constant cycle of starting a year with this guy seeing if we can answer another question about his abilities? If we get better coaches, if we improve the line, if we get him better receivers. Then if we do this, will he begin to trust his receivers, will he give the vertical routes a bit more time to develop, will he finally go through progressions, can he throw receivers open, will he pull the trigger more, can he finally get more accurate, can he finally learn to look the safety off. Gosh darnit after eight years???????????? Really?
That’s why the entire Niner nation had a wet dream for a week about PM coming here. We are tired of this same QB cycle and we deserve better at this point.
Bay, Please give me one FA QB that you want them to bring in to challenge Smith.
I’m still recovering from not getting Manning. Sorry lol. I Want JJ brought in and I want a four man competition. I don’t want a starter named yet. What if CK outplays Smith in preseason? Does Smith still get the job because he got paid?
Oh Bay. Do you even know anything about Johnson other than that he once played for Harbaugh? I agree that Smith has things to work on, but Johnson would be hard pressed to beat out Tolzien. He was awful in Tampa Bay.
Even when Josh Freeman was killing Tampa they didn’t switch to Johnson, and now you want him here to compete with Smith. Sorry, but that is laughable.
@Jack
“Oh Bay. Do you even know anything about Johnson other than that he once played for Harbaugh?”
Still don’t get it do you? What bay knows about Johnson is that he is not AS. So, he wants him. It has nothing to do with thinking Johnson is actually better. It only has to do with his hate of AS. Anybody but AS in bays eyes is an improvement.
Check the archives from last year at this time if you don’t believe me. The names bay and his buddy was throwing out there as better alternatives to AS….only hate can lead one to think those guys were any better.
Little Ricky,
since you’re as old as dirt, that makes you a super Niner fan or something. I see that you’re an ignorant Niner fan. Especially if you think Alex is elite, as I’m sure you do. In case you didn’t know, the NFL players dont wear leather helmets. Lol!
“@Bay, i am not hiding my name,”
Don’t put a website in the field when you comment. It turns the text white. Just leave that field blank, it’s not required.
@23jordan,
In “Nam ignorant individual like yourself, pee in their pants…And for your information dirt bag , I never said that A. Smith was an elite QB.. And we don’t wear leather helmets in NAM..You’re really a first class idiot, keep it up..lol
I’m still kinda iffy about Smith and the reason I say that is he lacks consistency on his passes. One throw will look like it’s being delivered from an elite QB and the next looks like I’m out there throwing it. With the WRs he has now there can’t be any excuses from the organization, the coaches, and the fans, this is the year he must deliver and look like a real QB, one that makes consistently good throws, if he can take that part of his game to another level with the team that the 49ers have there is no reason why this organization and its fans won’t be hoisting #6 at seasons end! But if he can’t, then the FO needs to move on to the kid and hang up the Smith era in SF
@Andrew, you should also take Ray Ratto advised to CK in KNBR this morning, to move on..Because the next 3 years he’ll be just a bench warmer, while A. smith is at the helm for the niners…lol
Let me aksed you a question, If A. Smith improve more from last season 13-3 and go on to win the Superbowl in 2012, do you honestly think CK would detrone A. Smith if Smith improves in his 2nd year with harbaugh?
again that was not the tenner of what ratto was saying…..he was referring to the fiasco that has historically surrounded the niner QB saga by both the management and fans…
I think Ratto may have said something like
“CK leave this place. It won’t get better for you.” Kinda more of a warning to CK than anything else about being a Niner QB. Look what happened to SY and your own teammate AS. It won’t get better for you. So for your own sake, leave!
It was typical shallow writing from Ratto. The starting QB in *any* city receives a ton of scrutiny unless he is great. And by “great” I mean “not 29th in the league in yards”.
Ratto trying to say it’s worse in San Francisco shows how parochial his knowledge is. Jets’ and Giants’ quarterbacks get it far worse than Alex. Quarterbacks in Denver not named Elway get thrashed and Dolphins’ QBs not named Marino get eviscerated.
Being a starting QB means scrutiny. Being a mediocre starting QB in a town that has had great quarterbacks brings even more.
@msc
Disagree here.
AS plays for THE QB team. No other team has ever had 5 Super Bowls from 2 QB’s back to back over a 20 year (rounded) period.
Then to be a #1 overall pick (which neither SY or JM were) and come here to live up to that? Nope. The Giants and Jets certainly don’t have anybody like that. Much less 2 somebodies like that who came consecutively.
Also seeing how this is where the legend Bill Walsh (I’m thinking he is like Vince Lombardi) dreamt up the WCO system which really showcased the QB in a different manner than before, and this place is the #1 worst spot to be a QB.
You will never be loved as much. You will never be respected as much. You are absolutely nothing next too those guys. And it will always be that way because those guys played before DVR and youtube and people only remember the good they had. Not the bad. And even if you do win a Super Bowl, it wasn’t because of you. But your teammates who dragged you along.
That is a hard thing to live with msc.
“…and the next looks like I’m out there throwing it.”
Heh. I like how you put that. :P
Maybe you just need some practice. Smith, too!
Ya I think that was the point, now don’t get me wrong guys I’ve been a huge supporter of Smith I want him to succeed I’m just asking for him to be consistent with the football, he has the talent to make NFL throws he just has to do it on a consistent basis, if he can’t he needs to go, I’ll hate to see him go like the other 49er fans that wanted him to succeed, but it’ll be the right thing to do
@DS
“to be a #1 overall pick [AS] (which neither SY or JM were)”
Reminder: 2005 draft was weak in QBs. So being #1 in a weak class doesn’t mean crack. Hypothetical scenario: if AS had come out last year, he would have been picked after CK. Stop trashing SY and JM in order to make AS look good.
@Nick
“Hypothetical scenario: if AS had come out last year, he would have been picked after CK.”
Ok. I can play that game.
Hypothetical scenario: If CK came out when AS did, AS is picked above him.
Know what? I am just as right as you are. So, are you ok with not being more right than I?
And sorry. Teams don’t wait to the 3rd round to pick up a HOF QB. Nor do they wait to trade for them from a historically horrendous team. Coaching and personnel have a lot more to do with being a HOF QB. Just thought I would let you know those little facts.
@DS
Joe Montana, Tom Brady, Kurt Warner, Brett Favre, Tony Romo, Andrew Dalton, Jeff Garcia, etc. are some of the QBs – who come to my mind – that were drafted 2nd round or later – or not at all. This sort of thing happens and draft position cannot be used as a guage of success in the NFL.
I’ll repeat if Matt Flynn or even Andy Dalton became studs next year with the personnel they have, better than Alex Smith’s no. and yes including 3rd downs. Then Smith doesn’t deserve that guaranteed money!
Thanks for coming.
I am sure the NFL Players Union and the NFL lawyers are working hard to make sure you are/will be correct.
schwartz a viking
I’m sorry jg.
Who is that?
i am assuming it was the guard the niners were checking out….i saw something on another site like a tweet or something
Thanks.
there it is on 49erparadise…..it is a comment by a blogger there i guess…so clearly not official
Where is that (49erparadise)?
I typed in 49erparadise.com, and get nothing at all about football.
http://www.49ersparadise.com/
so now i am looking at the draft…..cordy glenn G georgia , hill WR gerogia tech , or fleener TE stanford
some tough choices there….
get another 1st round OL to go with the rest of the 1st round lineman which kind of includes VD….
get Hill to groom behind moss
or assuming delanie walker is not here next year….fleener who already has a heads up on the TE power centric offense JH runs
Click on the “Press” section if the stories don’t show on the right hand side. Sometimes they don’t, and they never show without clicking on it on Sunday’s.
I don’t know if I’d worry too much about guards. The draft is supposed to be thick with them all throughout. We could very well land a really good one.
So now they are saying the contract was constructed with a guarantee of $9M this year and $7.5M for 2013. Hmm.
Right, so he’s got $16.5 million guaranteed. The AP had it correct this morning, and they stand by that number and its source 100 percent.
Ok, thanks Grant. I know you know Janie so good to hear the real deal.
You’re welcome.
http://www.csnbayarea.com/football-san-francisco-niners/niners-talk/Source-49ers-raised-Smiths-offer-slightl?blockID=674522&feedID=5936
Thanks BigP,
Smoke and mirrors. At least we didn’t overpay. We gave him an extra million to sooth hurt feelings.
Will make him easy to get rid of if he gives us more of the same. We boldly sent that message this year.
We know Baalke has balls. Let’s see what size Harbaughs stones are. See if he has the guts to make a QB change if his caddie underperforms again.
I don’t really care what they pay him, it just seemed out of line to significantly alter the money when they have set a precedent with the other players. It would make it harder to get guys to accept their offers in the future.
Big P,
You and I were on the same page. Under no circumstNve should that offer had been increased. If anything, it should have been decreased, just like they did Goldson.
Hofer, which probably means they feel CK is 2 years away from starting and they can move on from him in year 3 without much trouble. Kinda sounds more like a 2 year deal.
If CK can’t beat out Alex by 2013 then the 49ers need to hit the draft again.
Or it means that AS has won a Super Bowl or two.
This wasn’t some over blown drama to anybody besides the public. We made a big deal out of something that happens to almost all free agents. Plain and simple this didn’t effect or change anything. So I think we should stop wasting anymore time talking about, because were literally talking about nothing.
What a bunch of wasted hot air and blathering on . . .
Seriously . . . how many of these same arguments have been stated OVER AND OVER for almost 7 years.
Basic facts – AS is a class individual and a mediocre QB.
Get over it and get over yourself.
Did anyone see what Dr. Phil said on the NFL.com website.
Hey Grant when are we going to start to focus on the draft, the major FAs are done, the AS thing is done, Manning is done.
So grant or anybody are the niners going to sign anymore free agents?
http://blogs.sacbee.com/49ers/archives/2012/03/g-geoff-schwartz-signs-with-vikings.html
maybe only the lenard davis guy seems to be on or under the radar now…..
don’t see much else happening….wallace was just an inflatualation of mine ….
the only thing really left to do is go back and revisit the goldson franchise tagging and get him a 3yr or so contract….since i am assuming there still remains plenty of cap space …
all just opining on my part
I don’t see any new insights in Barber’s rehash of recent events that haven’t already been hashed in several other sources. What’s the point?
i have one side comment ….
the warriors can only wish they could conduct stealthy like operations like the ellis trade as well as the niner where able to conduct their stealthy road trip and most importantly inform the in-house players of the activities before the media gets ahold of it and spill it to the players first….
this is one faction of the media vs organization that could stand some rewrite so that trust can be developed or we just need to resign ourselves to the cold shoulder/war between the likes of harbaughs and cohns
@jg
The Boston sports press, a large, loud, pushy and opinionated group, has adjusted to Bill B. They don’t like it, but they deal with it. The fans have to accept it also. One writer there said the only day all year they’re allowed to interview position coaches is Player Interview Day leading up to the Super Bowl. No SB, no interviews at all.
After all this mostly made up exaggerated nonsense about Alex’s hurt feelings, maybe Harbaugh playing info keep-away from Lowell, Grant, and us begins to make sense. Oh, and that’s not a shot at local press. Mortenson, Sheftner and the rest of the ESPN choir were spreading that stuff thick. Even after Alex said that Trent & Jim clued him in, Woody Paige is spouting off about it saying all wrong stuff. Way too much idle speculation being repeated and embellished.
According to Matt Maiocco and CSNBayarea.com, Alex signed a three year $24 million contract which includes $9 million in fully guaranteed money but the total package can reach up to $33 million base on his performance. So he did not get a $16.5million guarantee! Oh will i am glad this is over and can not wait for the draft. GO NINERS
Chicago we posted the same sht the same time.
lol
except that he gets only 9million guaranteed not 16 and the total package may max at 33 but its 24. Anyway good payday for Alex.
Two years: 9 and 7.5 = 16.5 guaranteed.
That’s where that number is coming from.
I’m guessing the second year is only guaranteed if he is on the roster by a certain date. Basically, if they decide to keep him for the second year, his base salary will be guaranteed. That is why Maiocco emphasized “truly guaranteed.”
Interesting. I’ll look into it. Thanks, BigP.
This is the perfect example of how goofy the guarantees really are in NFL contracts.
http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2012/03/14/garcons-deal-comes-close-to-deseans/
He’s got one year period. Basically he’s on a very short leash. He’s gotta improve basically turn it completely around.
He’s actually benefiting the team big time though. Give the kid one more year to improve…. Only chance Smith has to tap into the 2nd and 3rd year of that contract is play lights out and be consistent. Something he’s never done in the NFL.
BigP, you do realize every comment from you the last two days has been about AS. Any other 9er related insight that you can offer?
Hofer,
It seems to be the popular topic, doesn’t it? Please scroll down the link and tell me why it wouldn’t be.
http://49ers.pressdemocrat.com/
Look at Hofer! His boy is back and he is loving life! You have definitely gone into full Smither mode yourself Hof.
Glad he is back for the sake of the team, but settle down. BTW, you never did answer Bay’s question on where you think Alex can improve so I will ask again.
What areas do you think AS needs to work on this offseason?
Jack, don’t try to be cute. I’m not interested.
Hofer, Not trying to be cute, I really want your perspective on where Smith can improve.
@jack
You have 3 paragraphs in that post hof scoffed at you for.
2/3 were condescending. Do you know which 2?
Hell never answer Jack. My assumption is that he is personally tied to him which would explain his over the top protection of Smith coupled with his inability to critique him.
DS, The first paragraph was, the other 2 not so much. If he has a problem with me saying settle down then oh well.
It isn’t like he has been Mister Rogers around here lately either. He used to be decent with his takes but he has been a bit over the top the last few days. Even Grant called him on it.
If he doesn’t want to, or can’t answer the question so be it, life will go on.
Bay, I don’t agree with you on Smith either. I seriously just wanted to see what his answer would be because I thought it was a valid question.
@Jack
Don’t do this. Don’t get on somebodies case for something they wrote on another thread where they displayed “non Mr. Rogers” attitude and bring it onto a new thread.
We have all done it, but it just sucks for everybody else. If you think hof has been bad or whatever, fine. Take it up with him on that thread. If he wrote something on this thread you didn’t like, then quote it or something so that everybody else knows what you are mad about.
Just don’t throw this stuff around. That’s all. If hof disrespected you somewhere, then go there and take it up with him there.
Now they are saying its a 3y 33M contract just like I said. lol Maxed out that is. And with 16M G.
Scroll down to third video. Send the apologists the ones that support one of the worst production QB’s in all of football, to Dr. Phil. He’ll set em straight on the Manning situation….
http://www.nfl.com/news/story/09000d5d827c3992/article/dr-phil-offers-advice-for-recovery-reconciliation?module=HP11_content_stream
I really, really don’t like Dr Phony.
@ Waterman
Yeah, Bro; I’m 100% with you on that. Nincompoop.
Bay, pulled that out of you *$$ ehh?
Dr. Phil? Really?
Grant,
How much cap space is left?
Is FA over for the 49ers?
What happened to Tedd Ginn?
I hope not. I wonder what the plan is at guard. Does anyone have any ideas?
Alex Smith hitting free agency reminds me of the movie Hall Pass. Hall Pass is a movie about a group of married guys that get a “hall pass” from their wives and get to go out and for one night “hook up” with women and do whatever they want. Only when they hit the town, no women wanted them hahaha.
Alex upset and feeling jilted when he hit free agency said to himself, ” I’ll show them”. His agent announced he was “available”. You could hear the crickets….
Then Seattle said, hey ummm, forget it we found a backup we like better than you. And then Miami said, ah $hit no one wants to play here. Crap lets call Alex betcha he’ll come. Every other team in the entire NFL took a pass….
Well, he may be garbage, but he’s our garbage and dangit, he’s good enough, he’s smart enough and gosh darnit, Harbaugh likes him……
That’s nice.
There’s a thiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiinnnnnnn liiiiiiiiiiiiiiiinnnnnneeee………..between love and hate……
Come on Bay i know you are a true fan and team comes first, lets cheer on Alex now that he has been selected by JH and TB to lead out team. Hopefully he will continue to get better and take his game to the next level this year. GO NINERS
When CK is announced the new starter of the 9ers, he better walk on water because he’s had a very easy road being drafted into a QB friendly infrastructure built upon success. Absolutely no reason not to excel! I don’t envy him.
Hofer, CK apear to be a good kid with strong work ethic just like Alex so it nice that he will have a great foundation for support and growth. I truly wish for both Alex and CK to continue to develop so we have a few very good Qbs to lead our team. GO NINERS
Chicago, agree. Unfortunately, based on the FO, if AS is ever replaced by CK, it will be a cost cutting move.
I hope not
And production increase.
if either QB is dealt it should happen after the next two seasons for draft picks…and if it is CK it better be for a couple of picks one of them being high first round just because of the head coach pedigree…..assuming of course JH is still plutonium as a coach….
Alexfan11, i mean Hofer,
Why would the Niners replace Smith with Kap to save $$$ if they were willing to sign Manning at 5 years 95 million?? If Smith gets replaced, it’s because someone is better. You must be Alex Smiths brother in law. Your love for Smith is special. Are you in love Hofer?
I have been crazy busy the last few days, but I’ve had a couple thoughts I just can’t shake.
1st – the resigning of Alex Smith, as expected, has left me feeling completely ambivalent about the QB position now. No excitement about change, but not sinking into gloom and doom about Alex returning either. It is what it is and the team will do just fine.
2nd – if the rumors are true about the Niners still pursuing Josh Johnson – isn’t that like having Harbaugh move the ex into the house while still in a committed relationship with Alex?? ;-). Would seem a little unsetteling, lol!
9ergirl, we’ve gotta trust in JH! Now with some decent receivers, lets go! Looking forward to the draft.
Josh Johnson is a career backup, just like Shaun Hill. Talented but not talented or smart enough to be an everyday NFL starter. If he was the Bucs would have done what the Eagles did with Kolb. The Bucs are so far under the cap they could have signed him last year and dealt him if he was in such high demand. H’s not especially in a starved QB NFL.
The 49 ers like Tolzien, there not gonna cut him because of Johnson and the fact he played under Harbaugh. Keep in mind Baalke is running the show from the personnel standpoint, just like he did in the pursuit of Manning. JH from what we have seen has some input, but it seems to be the Baalke show when deciding who is a 49 er.
Latino,
You lost me with that post. How did you classify Josh Johnson as being a backup after being in the league for 4 years. Hardly sounds like a career to me.
JH says that Josh Johnson has more raw talent than any QB that he has ever coached. Talent may not be a problem.
I’m really troubled by this statement you made. You said JJ wasn’t smart enough to be a starting QB in this league. Would you like to share his college transcripts or some wonderlick scores with us? You sound like a real idiot making that assertion.
Apparently, you haven’t been following 49er football very long. The Niners tried to trade for Josh Johnson last year and Tampa wouldn’t trade him, period. They didn’t want to lose their backup assuming they were going to the playoffs. They thought they were a playoff team.
Heres a little background information for you. In his sr. Year in college, after JH left for Stanford, Josh Johnson had an unbelievable year. He threw for 43 touchdowns and 1 interception. The 1 interception was a pass that bounced off of his receivers shoulder pads.
He may not be able to win the starting job here. Id Like to see him get a shot. We will see if that happens.
“isn’t that like having Harbaugh move the ex into the house”
Big Love.
My fav actor boy.
Hudson, dorky punk in Terminator, and starred as the lead actor in two of my favorite dramas ever:
A Simple Plan
Frailty
Bill Paxton. Love the boy. The Justin Smith of actors to me. (and Justin Smith is my fav Niner).
Big Love – lol! Guess Kaep is the younger, prettier one…
49erGirl, I completely agree with your first take. Now that it is over lets move on and get to the draft.
As for Johnson, who really cares? Even if he were to sign here, all he would be doing is fighting with Tolzien to hold a clip board on game day. My guess is now that Smith has been re-signed they will lose any interest in him.
I don’t really care about Johnson, just find it somewhat amusing that they’re considering bringing in Harbaugh’s first project to compete with his most recent one.
Alex and Harbaugh have a strong bond that’s being questioned – Harbaugh and Johnson have history…..it does seem a little polygamous of him, lol! (All the references to “the ex” stuff are tongue in cheek…)
But in all seriousness, I wouldn’t put it past them to have 4 QB’s going into training camp. However, I highly doubt any of them have a shot to unseat Smith at this point.
I really would like for us to sign up Ted Ginn again for special teams and another RB just in case if Frank Gore goes down. Also there are several very good LB in the market, could we pick up another inside LB for protection if Pat goes down! I cant wait until the draft!!!
@23jordan, what are you doing? You said you wouldn’t come back if and when Alex resigned, that’s bush league man, weak, weak, weak!!!!!!!!!!
@Prime
Just reply to his posts saying
“welcher”
It’ll annoy the heck out of him after awhile and he will show us all a:
something or rather the likes of which we have never seen and get banned.
Grant,
Your dad just wrote a piece about Bountygate.
I agreed that SP should’ve been suspended for life as well Loomis too.
Many sports commentators are saying that the punishment is too severe. I don’t think it was severe enough. These coaches were promoting criminal acts, and trying to rob players of their livelyhood.
It would be cool if there was a way to poll the readers to see if they think it was too severe, proper, or not enough.
Of course I would say not enough. They should’ve lost their SB title, this yrs Franchise Tag, next yrs 1st round pick, all picks this year, as well as the lifetime bans for the coaches & GM.
This is a contact sport. No where did Sean Payton tell any player to chop block, lead with their head, go helmet to helmet, or to take out the knees of any other player. He demanded his players play with intensity. It is moves like this that have turned the NFL into flag football.
I have no problem with the bounty program and I think had more teams found the heart to play with that sort of intensity, you wouldn’t have 0-16 teams.
This is exactly what the SF coaching staff since Singletary have preached. Hit them in the mouth. Make the team quit.
@ Medic One
I agree that the NFL is a contact sport and the commish is making this a weak league. However, I disagree with your point of view on the bounties, any time a team is telling their players to intentionally try to injure opposing players that is “bush league” and completely classless by an organization such as the Saints, they got what they deserved. No one is saying ban hard hits (except for the commish), but trying to intentionally injure other players is garbage and I hope the commish suspends the players involved in this bounty program the last however many years
Hoferfan67 says:
March 21, 2012 at 5:01 pm
“AES, once CK starts he better be lights out better than AS because he has *no excuse* with the infrastructure he was integrated into with JH and staff. TBD.”
Believe me Hofe, if CK has a couple of ‘bad’ seasons do you really think that Harbaugh will keep him around. If CK does start at some point and fail, I will not tow the line for him with any excuses. Each starter in my opinion should have a 2-3 year window to prove his worth or be removed from the team. No tears for CK if he fails here.
The so-called Alex excuse of having to endure coaches like Nolan and Singletary have in fact worked in his favor. Seems like the Org felt the same way as many Alex apologist have felt, and that is, that Alex deserved another chance with a better coach. Not to many Org’ would have had the patience the 49ers FO has shown. Alex is a very fortunate person on many levels. But he will still be on ‘blast’ throughout the 2012 season. It is what it is, like it or not.
Now wait just a minute AES!
We have to give CK7 six seasons of suck before we decide whether he’s good or not. And even then we have to evaluate all of the excuses. You can’t just rush into these decisions.
I’m stunned that Baalke caved so quickly. I predicted he would eventually, if Alex held out long enough, but I thought Alex would cave first. Makes me highly suspect that Harbaugh intervened here, which would make me feel a lot better about this whole situation. Either way, this should get Alex even more respect in the locker room and help him maintain the upper hand over Moss, Manningham and Crabtree. Though of course none of this matters if he doesn’t improve his own play, as I fully expect he will.
@raiq
I’ve liked your stuff so far, but why are you and hof talking about winning and losing or “caving in”?
The Niners need winners. If one Niner position wins and another loses, we are 0.500. We (I am) are tired of average or sucking. I don’t get this view of Haaa! AS wins or TB lost, WUSS!
WE WON.
And I think at least part of my theory must be correct. JH really likes AS and believes he is going to lead the team to…and win the Super Bowl. I bet you’re right about JH talking a bit to TB about getting AS in here ASAP so that he can run damage control and try to bring as much of that feeling from last year to this year.
Well, I was concerned about our QB being undermined and Harbaugh’s word being questioned for her previous enthusiastic support of Alex. This way it appears everyone came to a reasonable compromise. Baalke doesn’t lose, because he got our QB back, one of our most important players, and he didn’t pay Fitzpatrick or Sanchez money to do it.
I also didn’t want Alex feeling so undervalued that he’d leave the team after his contract expires. If he plays as well as I believe he will, we’ll want him here for the next 10 years.
@Raiq
Cool. Nice way to look at it.
lol, I meant his, not her. Disturbing Freudian slip.
@Raiq – Alex was the 49ers’ 2nd choice.
MSC,
AS might of been second choice to PM, so what? You could say that about all but a hand full of QB’s in the NFL.
We don’t know if the 49ers were ever really in it. I’m not saying they weren’t interested, it sure looked like they were. But, remember, PM called the 49ers, not the other way around. It would’ve been crazy for the 49ers not to look at PM. I’ll bet the 49ers were never close to $96M over 5 years, and, as a result, were never really in the hunt for PM.
@latino heat, in case you haven’t noticed Bayarea likes to only address the negative when it comes to Alex. Once you counter his arguement with facts or a different insight, he turtles or makes up some wild statistics to not make himself look like he’s wrong. Fact is this old timer is senile, he doesnt know his arse from a hole in the ground.
Bayarea likes to only address the negative when it comes to Alex.
.. while simultaneously stating that he is being objective. It’s his version of “fair and balanced.”
Whatever Prime there will always be doubters, just didnt think it would come from the its own fanbase. Whats ironic is he’s avatar is a Harbaugh jersey and clearly coach has made Alex into a different, better, much improved player so how does that path of development not continue with both guys working towards that?
Grant, there seems to be an Avatar problem. I don’t…… I don’t know who I am anymore.
Thanks Grant, my equilibrium is coming back.
I think what is being missed here is what some of us called out when the team showed interest in Peyton Manning.
I believe the front office showed some great manuvering and put a lot of pressure on the division. I think Alex Smith confirmed our suspicions that the team never had any real interest in Manning. Instead, they used him to sign Manningham, made AZ pay Kobb, forced STL to worry about trading the number 2 pick, and forced Seattle to secure a QB. The whole time the team and Alex Smith knew where they were going.
I think Baalke out smarted the entire league by just throwing a name out and I don’t think anyone in the media is realizing how great of a game he played. I read a report that said his free agency work has been mediocre. I think it has been astounding. Seattle is stuck with Flynn for three years while their coach is already backing out of saying he is the starter over Jackson.
I am impressed. The team is intact, chemistry will continue to grow, and we have some offensive weapons. I think in a couple years when the league looks back on a busted Flynn, Baalke just might get some credit.
Change your name from Medic to medicinal. And give me some of that stuff you’ve been smoking…
Bay,
While I agree with you that Medic has spun quite a yarn, I have to tell you, many of your theories are in the same category.
Really interesting take, Medic. “The whole time the team and Alex Smith knew where they were going.” Man, I hope you’re right about this. It’d make it a lot easier for everyone to move on…
Great except one thing. Manning called us……….
Medic, great take. That was actually something that I was thinking about today as well, but you summed it up pretty well.
The 49ers went after Manning and left Smith dangling for any team that wanted him (none did).
How does that entice the Seahawks to sign Flynn exactly?
More Alexcuses. Alexconspirathies.
msc, you are right on the Flynn thing, but the Kolb and Rams thing do make some sense. Maybe it was only coincidence that the leak came only 2 days before the Cardinals had to pay Kolb, maybe not. Interesting theory though.
@Bay I think the Smithers are trying really hard to convince themselves that Alex was the 1st choice at QB.
Otherwise, the whole “In Harbaugh we trust” thing sort of goes out the window.
@Jack Manning told the Cards he wasn’t interested. Now, that may have been because the 49ers were interested, I’ll grant that.
msc says, “the Smithers are trying really hard to convince themselves that Alex was the 1st choice at QB.
Otherwise, the whole “In Harbaugh we trust” thing sort of goes out the window.”
I completely agree with you on this ms. They are struggling to realize that Harbaugh isn’t quite the Smither they thought he was.
MSC,
It could be the Seahawks read the situation correctly, meaning that they believed Smith was going to end up back with the 49ers and, therefore, chose to sign Flynn before another team beat the to the punch.
It sure looked like the Seahawks had some level of interest in Smith. They did schedule him for a visit, after all.
@Exgolfer – you may be right. But how does the 49ers’ interest in Manning have anything to do with that?
The premise of the OP was that the 49ers’ interest in Manning “forced” the Seahawks to sign Flynn instead of the equally available Albatross… er, I mean Smith. I simply pointed out an incongruity in that thought process.
Bay, MSC and Jack,
Who are the “Smithers”? Not what is a “Smither”, but who, acutal names. If you’re going to attack a group of people, they should know who you think they are.
BTW, do all of you guys thinnk it’s a slam dunk that PM would’ve been a better QB for the 49ers this year than AS? Not possibly better, but definitely better.
MSC,
Fair enough.
So, you really think Smith is garbage. That’s amazing to me. I’m not saying he’s elite, at all [although, I do still believe he is clearly ascending], but to call him an albatross just seems out of reality.
BTW, ironically, “albatross” is what a double eagle in golf is called in the British Isles. I wouldn’t mind a couple of albatrosses of that kind around my neck.
Ex, the 5 that I can rattle off the top of my head are:
DS
Hofer
Adam
OneNiner
Ribico
As for Manning, I think he would have been better than AS. He gets the ball out more quickly, and sees the field better. That being said, I think Smith is now the best option. My biggest complaint with him is that he would be dynamic if he played the whole game the way he does when he is trailing and the game is on the line. JUST LET IT GO ALEX!!
@exgolfer I think you answered your own question exgolfer. The folks who somehow think Alex Smith is a better quarterback than Peyton Manning are “Smithers”.
The team had a chance to make a massive upgrade at the most important position and a certain group said “NO! We want Smith!”
Screw improving the team; they just wanted Alex.
Bay,
Who is this “Alexconspirathies”, a minor Greek god, or is your writing developing a lisp?
@Exgolfer: “So, you really think Smith is garbage.”
1) we’re cross-posting over each other, heh
2) I don’t think Smith is “garbage”. I think he is adequate. After Manning fell through Smith was the best option for the 49ers. He’s certainly better than the Hennes or Brohm’s that are out there.
“Adequate” is a far cry from great though. The 49ers need to upgrade the position.
MSC,
I’m not so sure signing PM as QB over AS would’ve upgraded the 49ers as a team going forward. I’m not saying it wouldn’t have, just that I’m not sure.
PM is not fully healthy right now. Considering how long ago the last of his four proceedures were, that’s mildly concerning, at least.
His production has slipped from 2004 to 2010. You can say what you want, but it just has.
On top of that, considering his reputation, PM’s playoff resume is average, at best. I had a sense of this on my own, but a new poster, Raiq I believe, did some very good work unearthing the actual numbers. And they aren’t flattering to PM.
Finally, PM would’ve been coming into a new system. One reason PM is looks so comfortable in the Colts offense, is because that’s the only offense he’s run. We think he wouldn’t have any trouble picking up the 49ers offense, but he’s never done it, so we don’t really know.
My frame of reference is that Smith will almost certainly improve next year. I further believe that significant growth in his game is the most likely outcome [not guaranteed, but most likely].
The final piece is how much PM would cost. And I’m not just talking about this year. Signing PM would’ve severely hamstrung the 49ers cap-wise going forward.
You must realize that the question is not Smith vs PM in a vacuum. It’s Smith vs PM minus all the players the 49ers wouldn’t be able to sign because of PM’s ridiculous salary. Most people don’t seem to understand that.
Had the 49ers decided to sign PM, I would’ve been OK with it, because I’m sure they thought about all of these things and probably much more, and still decided PM was a good risk.
I think one reason the 49ers didn’t get PM is they weren’t willing to meet his ludicrous salary demands. Other things went into PM’s decision for sure: The NFC/AFC thing, John Elway, and PM didn’t want the SB or bust pressure that was going to be in place here.
MSC,
I’m not sure a QB who is merely adequate leads a team to victory in the NO playoff game or leads six come back victories [4 of which were on the road].
One thing we do agree on is that AS isn’t great, at least not yet. If you agree he improved last year, why are you so sure he won’t continue to improve next year? It seems to me to be clearly the most likely scenario.
@exgolfer We’ll have to agree to disagree. To me Peyton Manning was a no-brainer upgrade over Adequate Alex.
At least 6 NFL teams agree with me. Including the 49ers.
MSC,
I’m surprised that you don’t see that signing PM could’ve ended in disaster. Not WOULD’VE, but COULD’VE.
Thanks for the back and forth.
@exgolfer Signing Manning certainly could have ended in disaster. No doubt about it.
I agree with Baalke and Harbaugh that it was a risk worth taking for a clear upgrade at the most important position on the field.
Medic one – Nice try!
I love this blog. Like I said before “free entertainment.” Where do you guys come from?
Rusty, I can’t believe a solid guy like you fell for this nonsense. Good to see you in here though Rusty!
Thanks, Crab, for the gentle reality call. I guess my need for a feel-good ending to this nonsense has partially blinded me! But hope springs eternal.
Medic, Occam’s Razor says they really were interested in Manning.
Good Points, some of U. It’s like this; yes the media is full of crap 90% of the time.
Give Alex a chance that’s our Quarter Back( talking like i’m about to cry, with a tear in my eye. lol ) I just can’t wait to see if he looks improved with actually having gone through another training camp in the same system, and a good system at that! Tried to land someone better didn’t go our way, thats just the way it works out sometimes.
Go 49ERS!!!
Ricky Bayarea is a Raider fan, there is no way a fan can have that much pessimism and hate towards one player after the year he had and not give the kid the benefit of the doubt. Before the Eagles game last year he said it was a big test for AS, didn’t think he could do it, what happened, great 2nd half comeback. Same exact thing said against the Lions, same exact thing happened. Then it was Alex couldn’t compete against the elite teams, well AS was great against the Giants and Steelers and good enough against the Saints and no help in the championship game. So tell me what fan cant see that AS is the 49ers best option at QB, a hater or a Raider fan!
Come on Prime. You gotta name call and attack? I’m stating my position and I don’t waver. I’m actually a very nice caring guy. By the way I was worried about you. How did your Labiaplasty go?
Bay,
Nice mysoginist crack, pal. You’re a piece of work, aren”t you?
I think you meant misogynist.
I object, exgolfer.
Bay has never shown me anything but respect. A true misogynist would never have shown me any courtesy given my screen name and would have gone out of his way to be cruel.
Please don’t abuse the term.
9erGirl/Rockstar – What’s your forecast for tomorrow in here? More drama?
Did you see my declared CK7 theme song last night?
I don’t know if it’s misogynist or not but I just googled “labiaplasty” and all I have to say is “EFF YOU BAYAREAFANATIC!” I did NOT need to see that.
Bastard.
Thats Bayarea for you, always making a slight to someone wether its being a women or homosexual. Most annoying guy on the blog right there.
@fdm,
And you are the most annoying person in your home. What’s your point?
The point is jackpot, my home and family is off limits, kinda like what you said to prime, you bring that stuff to me and I’ll slap the ugly off your face!
Crab,
I predict cloudiness with a chance of thunderstorms, lol!
I didn’t see your CK theme song – where is it posted?
>>Please don’t abuse the term.
49erGirl, so you are cool with a jerk throwing around Labiaplasties as an attempted insult? As long as they share your opinion on AS?
Situational ethics, much?
“I did NOT need to see that.”
That’s one of those things you DON’T want to look up while you’re eating dinner.
Looks kind of drastic if you ask me.
Exactly! That’s bayarea, the biggest knob on here and he thinks he’s cool with stuff like that.
@FDM
He didn’t see what was wrong with the “Alice” remark. I mean, really? He does not even know what “bad” is. How can he? Bad IS Bay. The two are in separable.
Overanylization never hurt anyone however the 49er front office went after Manning and lost out. Game over. Now lets go win the fans Super Bowl 6 & 7!
@ bay the only ones that are tired are the idiots like you who don’t understand the reality of the last 7 years and what Alex endured. Until you come to the understanding that offenses in the NFL rely deeply on continuity, you’ll understand what the game is all about. Until then shut your incompetent old man pie hole!
Thanks for explaining continuity. I won’t call you names back. Your life is sad enough as it is CrabPrime.
We have had continuity. Alex has played with 80% of these guys for a while now. And all that continuity has gotten him is league low production. Stats are on my side. Speculation is on yours…..
Stats are a tool of convenience to support arguments made by people without the expertise or effort needed for real analysis.
Stats are for losers. Alex has not played with IUpati, Davis, Goodwin, Crabtree, Walker, Morgan, Ginn 80% of his career. Nor has he had coaching like Harbaugh for 80% of his career or in the same system. Continuity moron means playing in the same system, same players for an extended period of time.
Once again making up wild, far fetched comments and using good old reliable stats to create an arguement. Dude just admit your an old tired dog. You would Think for being on this earth so long and watching football, you would understand the game, clearly you have no idea, sad man!
Thats hilarious Bay, now take your dentures out, take your geritol and get some rest, comeback tomorrow with some more crusty opinions. Night night grandpa!
They say its three years right? What if Alex plays this year and then next year they cut him and go with CK. They pay him 9M and move on or am I missing something?
You are correct. It’s a big smoke screen, which is very common with NFL contracts. When the details are released you will see.
Smith said it wasn’t the money it was the structure. Which is what I thought all along. You better believe the FO doesn’t want a year like last duplicated. They want more. That’s good because expectation is high again in 9er land. Alex better take his game to the next level. And for some reason I think he will next year. It’s that Ol gut feeling again.
……yea hater…keep trying to convince yourself…….ha ha ha….
Right onelame. Because the FO is soooo happy with his play last year that they gave him a 6 year deal. Oh that’s right it was 3 and the structure was the problem. Hmmmm. Not to worry onelame. Smith will be better than last year. Your life can continue… For now!
The Seahawks just signed offensive lineman Frank “the Turnstile” Omiyale.
In related news, Matt Flynn just took out a huge life insurance policy.
Early prediction for 2012.
Niners go 11-5
Crabtree has his breakout season because it’s his last here( I don’t think he ever wanted to be here)
Gore gets injured this season.
Moss helps lift us out of redzone hell
Manningham sits 2-3 games with injury and has a decent year
Vd and walker emerge as the best TE combo
Akers misses a big kick for us but still has a good year
Defense will suffer a big loss this year and will rank 3 in the league
And here’s the gut feeling…. Alex smith improves on last year and ranks a TRUE 7th in the league. Not just the crappy qb rating..
Finally the 49ers get healthy at the end of the year and go to GB after beating Chicago in the NFC champ game. The 05 draft rivalry will live again for Super Bowl rights. Sorry I spoiled it for everyone but that’s what’s going to happen. Wheeew!
I dunno man.
Crabtree has had a different OC every year. He’s had bad coaching, no continuity and bad quarterbacking.
I think you need to give him at least three more years before you expect him to be good.
..you are right…”you dunno man”
@md
Not to quibble too much, but if the 49ers beat Chicago in the NFC Championship, how then do they meet GB in the SB?
Don’t ruin it brotha.
Replace “Chicago in” with “Chicago for” and it makes sense.
OK then, that’s an easy fix. Let me just say, if we can get 11 wins with this year’s schedule, I’ll be a happy camper.
Lol tuna. That would be a first. Didn’t see the typo. But ds knew what I meant. ;-)
Yaaawn…. That’s all you got onelame? A typo mistake? Obtw how’s our GM now? Hater? Don’t think for a minute im letting that one go. Dump on my team for one player. What was Baalke again? Your desperate. Oh. And are we a little jealous that I get to see your hero in person? Don’t worry onelame. I’m married and SHE is a great woman. I fly straight. Men in uniform aren’t my cup o tea. He’s all yours. Chief
@md
Anything that ends with us winning the Super Bowl, I am all in for.
I’ll take winning a Super Bowl even if it’s held in Green Bay.
…the haters on the blog remind me of Mittens….just like mittens they’re the gift that won’t quit……
I definitely see smith td.total be close to 30 cuz this past year it seemed that there were anywhere between 8-10 tds dropped by wr/te/rb….so we have our defense in tact upgrade on wr smith with the same system dont see y we shoudnt be in the superbowl this year…GO NINERS!!!!!!
..”….A league source said that Wallace, 25, wants a contract that surpasses the eight-year, $120 million deal that Larry Fitzgerald signed last year with the Cardinals. Combine that with the first-round pick any team that signs Wallace to an offer sheet would lose if the Steelers didn’t match the offer, and you start to understand why we’ve heard so little about Wallace in the last week and a half…..”
Wallace may find it hard for anybody to put up that type of money if true. But, without any real source, it is all conjecture. It may not be accurate at all. Just like most of the posts here. Most are opinions, and unless you can confirm this came from Wallace or his agent or the team (Pit) then it is as reliable as our posts.
Yeah Wallace is a good speed WR & all but he’s on crack if he thinks anyone is going to give up all that for him. He’s no Calvin J, or AJ or a Larry Fitz IMO. I think Hakeem Knicks is better too when he is healthy. Mike Wallace needs to chill and just sign with the 9ers for 5 million for one year just to win a Superbowl real quick.
23 Jordan u need to chill. I feel sorry for people who get so upset about some dude types about Donna message board. Weird.
Ok, I have heard enough. AS is very lucky young man. He appears to be a nice guy, who the hell really knows. He is an average c plus qb lucky enough to be the student of a good coach. He has reached his potential and please don’t exspect more from this guy. There is a solid reason why teams did not other than the fish did not fly him out, they see this and know he is average at best. He will be replaced as soon as they find another qb that can be trusted to guide this team to a sb. and not rely on their defence to win games.
23j/LowHangingFruit, LMAO! Me a fool? C’Mon son, me a fool? You have that market cornered.
Your passion for a lousy back up QB that you’ve never watched play is laughable.
Now go back to bed before your mommy finds you out of bed and biotch slaps you clown. bwahahahaha!!!!!!
DS, I don’t have a problem with Hofer, and if Je can’t take a little jab every now and then so be it. I just want to know where he thinks Alex Smith can improve. Is that so tough to answer, or a question that shouldn’t be asked when the entire topic is about Smith?
Ok. Thanks.
@FDM, that’s exactly it, Baayarea likes to hit below the belt with family and Mom insults and he is supposedly well over his 60′s. You would think at that age you understand a code of not attacking someone’s family especially a MoM insult like he did to me a couple weeks ago. This also comes from a guy who says character does not matter, now we know why!
After what bay said to you Prime, you can say anything to him and it won’t be out of line.
I’m 44 handsome….. Your surgery must have made you delusional I never said I was in my 60′s.
44, 54, 64, your still an ahole and dont know jack about football! Live with that!
BTW, anyone who self praises their looks, is usually ugly as a$$.
Iwas calling prime handsome. You angry drunk.
And I was calling you old and delusional, what’s your point old timer?
…dude you are 44?……what a waste of life!!!……I really thought you were 16 ……..damn dude……..i bet ninermd is also in that 40 range…..
no wonder you hate Alex so much…..you are jealous of his life……
onelame ive said befoe im in my mid 30′sAnd Im VERY happy with my life. Im gonna assume your in your mid 20′s which explains why you are in love with a qb that stunk for so long. You never saw the 49er greats play. Now its all clear. Your a noob to this football thing. You’ve got a long way to go onenoob
Wallace is not coming to San Francisco. Check this out:
http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2012/03/22/report-mike-wallace-told-49ers-he-wants-more-than-larry-fitzgerald/
Not worth that salary cap hit. At least until he reaches FA.
If he really wants that, then Pit is not going to pay him that. Ever. He will be a FA come 2013. Pit may have a bad season coming up here, so maybe the experience of being on a mediocre team will lower his salary expectations come next year.
Nice link. Wallace is crazy if he thinks he’s getting that kind of money. He’s not in Fitzgeralds league.
This will never happen for him. He’ll be back in Pittsburg this year. They were smart for putting a 1st round tender on him. I think they know he needs a bigger and more impressive body of work to command the amount of money he’s asking for, so having a 1st round tender puts any deal he might consider from other people well out of reasonable reach.
And Mike Wallace is certified insane.
Don’t you have to be MJ to be a football player? At least just a bit?
…Grant = Wrong Again
+1
Meanwhile, Grant is laughing at you for giving his site another hit.
ok i will let go of my inflatualation of him and move on….
sign goldson and find that guard who will make a difference this year
anthony davis needs to really step it up this year and stop getting beat on speed rushes around the outside…..
find that running back of the future
and i await the decision between getting a TE or WR in draft…..depending on how JH/roman really wants his offense to run
Off topic, any news on Goldson?
Franchised. Needs to sign his tender.
Still working out his long-term deal, but he hasn’t signed his franchise tag yet. He’ll probably wait until the last minute to do it so that he can try to work out a contract.
Wasn’t sure if he had signed it or what during the last weeks circus. Thanks.
It’s never too early to break down the NFC West for 2012.
The Rams landed two real good free agents. Stud cornerback Finnegan from Titans and center Scott Wells from Green Bay. They also acquired three first round picks from Redskins for their 2012 first round pick (#2 overall). They will be a team on the rise under Jeff Fisher.
Seattle signed Matt Flynn which should be an upgrade over Tarvaris Jackson. They do need to repair their O-line, Robert Gallery was cut and they haven’t replaced Steve Hutchinson yet. Left tackle Russell Okung is the only stud starting offensive lineman they have. We can blitz the hell out of them this year.
The Cardinals are hoping to get more from their bust QB Kevin Kolb this year. Quality backup John Skelton could overtake Kolb during the season.
The Cards are dealing with cap space problems. I believe Adam Snyder is the only FA they signed so far. They did resign Early Doucet but they have not improved this offseason.
There’s no reason to believe the Niners won’t dominate the NFC West again this year!
@Crab15
Of course we will win the West!
But, don’t think less of your opponent than that in which they are. If this were some kind of RPG or fantasy style point thing where you assign a number for how good a team is and how good you think it is, and that team is better than what you think, and you played down to that, you will lose.
So, if you think a team is a 50 on a 100 point scale , and you play them like a 50, but they are really a 51, but you didn’t prepare for a 51, then you will likely lose. If you did that for 16 games, you are probably picking #1 overall come next years draft. That is why you always hear this BS about other teams not taking anybody for granted. Because if they do, that will happen.
And if you give any team any hint that you are bad, they will pounce as you. So it works both ways. You never see BB disrespect another team during the week. At least I have not. Fact is most NFL teams are not really all that different in talent level from one another. That is why upsets are not rare. There is usually at least 1 a week. And one or two in the playoffs as well.
“You only run this town because others think you run it. They stop thinking it, you stop running it.”
- Millers Crossing
DS – Good post.
Thanks Crab!
I think I’ve got this thing figured out. This week of all weeks made things very crystal clear for me regarding our QB situation and the rabid small group of “fans” that loyally protect their marginal average game manager QB.
Alex is a nice young man. He looks all american. He is apple pie. His values are strong. He’s not had an easy go of it, yet has shown strength and fortitude in dealing with the adversity and challenges he’s been dealt.
A situation like this has NEVER ever happened before in all the years that I’ve been watching football. A player with such marginal talents that is playing one of the top two or three most critical positions on his team and he is brought back year after year after year even though he is so highly criticized.
Three years ago he should have been released. After being benched for the 2nd time. He’s been benched in favor of JT O’sullivan, Shawn Hill, Troy Smith. He should have been gone the year Sing left. That was the wise thing to do.
Last year you couldn’t argue with the Niners sticking with him. He had familiarity with the players and with the lockout, we lacked adequate time to bring someone in and have them learn the system. We were stuck with him. He had a nice year, took care of the ball, but had league low production in most offensive categories. In the end, he and the WR’s were the weak link on a team that was ready to win now. The FO believed this because they went and upgraded the WR spot and attempted to bring in a new QB. They also low balled their “long term QB” in his contract offer. To mend fences they basically have given him a new contract. But when you dissect it, it’s basically the same contract with incentives. They gave him an extra million to wipe his tears.
So the FO has spoken, he needs to step it up. The NFL has spoken, no one wanted him. He is embarrassed Nationally since everyone saw this play out over a period of a week. Even his teammates were tweeting that they wanted manning.
Having said that, this year he makes sense again to bring back if you couldn’t make the big free agent splash. Why? Because it gives the future QB one more year to sit. But it once again leaves us with a QB that I can only associate with guys like Kerry Colins, Marc Wilson, Elvis Gerbac, Brady Quinn, Ken Dorsey….. Alex Smith doesn’t elicit any more excitement than any of those names. We can argue that none of these QB’s had a good QB coach, or a good offensive line, or elite weapons to succeed. In the end, they weren’t good enough and their teams made the wise football moves that had to be made so their teams could move forward.
Looking at this room the part that makes sense now are the people that follow Smith. They fit a certain demographic. They are either older 55 plus and they place quite a bit of value on Smith’s values. They like the mold that he comes from and are willing to overlook his lack of success. They as a group have more patience and are willing to continue to have faith that he will get there. This group does not like the direction that football is going in. The transition in the game. Bigger passing, more scoring, more production.
The other group that hangs on and defends Smith are folks that see the abuses that he’s endured and they relate it to their own lives. Stuff that happened to them unfair situations that they had to overcome. This group feels a kinship with Smith.
Both of these groups have one thing in common. None go to games. If they do, it’s not very often. The stadium is filled with put simply, football people. And most support Smith being gone. The Niner nation was rabid for PM to come here. The FO has a new stadium to build and they need a poster child at QB that is going to get folks to spend money. Which folks? The most important folks. The stadium crowd. The ones that spend money. The ones that are going to pay for seat licenses in a new stadium. I mentioned this during the season and had the few crazies in this room challenge me. Well the front office has spoken and based on the contract that they offered Smith, they agree with my assessment. In a stadium of 57,000 Smith’s is the least worn jersey IN THE ENTIRE STADIUM.
Just stating what I see and making a point. This is the last year of excuses. I think even his supporters know this. All areas around him have been upgraded. And with no where else to go ( except Miami ) he’s got to light it up or else…..
Wow, talk about self-delusion. No wonder reason, data, and thoughtful analysis have no effect on you.
again three years ago surgery to remove shrapnel from shoulder benched AS not JTO…..
Bay – The entire defense is back, then we add weapons like Moss and Manning to a pretty good offense, it’s 100% Super Bowl victory or bust.
The pressure is on Alex, he says he is worthy of competing to start over Peyton Manning.
Peyton Manning likely would have won back to back Super Bowls with this Niner team. So If Alex is as good as he says he is, I expect some rings!
IMO, there’s probably 30-40 current NFL QB’s that could lead this team to a Super Bowl win. I hope Alex can do it. As a Niner fan I’m pullin for him. If Alex slips, I know help is on the way with CK7 knockin on the door.
Peyton Manning likely would have won back to back Super Bowls with this Niner team. So If Alex is as good as he says he is, I expect some rings!
Crabs you dont know that, its a team game and alot of things could happen. Injuries could happen so to put it all on one guy is farfetched, its a team game, everyone needs to peak in January, not just ALex.
“IMO, there’s probably 30-40 current NFL QB’s that could lead this team to a Super Bowl win”
Theres only 32 starting QB’s, you said up to 40, so that means some backups could come in a win a superbowl, who might those be in your opinion?
FDM – These eight 2012 backups are as good/bad as Alex Smith.
1. CK7 – SF
2. Jake Locker – Ten
3. Chris Redman -Atl
4. Derek Anderson – Car
5. Kyle Orton – Dal
6. T.J. Yates – Hou
7. Josh Johnson – FA
8. Rex Grossman -Was (RG3 projected starter)
The Niners are STACKED, an average QB could get them to a SB. These guys are all average NFL QB’s. Jake Locker & CK7 have not reached their potential YET so they are currently average. Unfortanately so is Alex.
Ok Crabs, lets look at your list in detail:
1. CK7 – SF-never started an NFL game and could win a superbowl? Thats lofty for you to think considering our schedule next year.
2. Jake Locker – Ten-could not beat out Hasselback for the job so what makes you think he can a win a superbowl?
3. Chris Redman -Atl-WHO?
4. Derek Anderson – Car-Now your just being dumb, he got cut in AZ, now he’s 49er/SB calibre, cmon man!
5. Kyle Orton – Dal-maybe, Id take a look at him.
6. T.J. Yates – Hou-did you see how he crumbled under pressure in the playoffs against BAL, not Alex, stepped up in a clutch moment(s) against the Saints.
7. Josh Johnson – FA-if this guy was the real deal, why didnt TB sign him and then deal him like the Eagles did with Kolb and get some assets, because he’s a CAREER BACK UP!
8. Rex Grossman -Was (RG3 projected starter)-the gunslinger in Harbaughs offense? he would not make it past week one of training camp.
So in summary of your list, maybe one guy Orton who the 49ers had a chance to trade for last year but didnt because JH has his guy and until you haters relaize that Harbaugh knows more than you, me, and the entire fan base when it comes to what QB’s can get us a SB, I suggest you leave your fanatsy comments to yourself!
FDM – Good effort, thanks for the good debate. Now let’s move forward.
To set the record straight…..Alex was not benched in favor of JT (Int machine) O’Sullivan. Martz never really got to work with Alex. Alex was injured that entire season. Martz ‘s choice boiled down to O’Sullivan and Hill and he went with his guy JTO.
Also, Smith was never benched in favor of Sean Hill. In fact, It was the other way around. Sing benched O’Sullivan and put in Hill when he took over for the fired Nolan in 2008. Alex was injured at that time and was not in the mix. The following year, under Jimmy Raye, Hill came in as the starter (having gone 5-4 as the starter the previous year). It was Hill who was benched by Sing in the Houston game and replaced by Smith. Smith went 5-5 as the starter the rest of the year. In the off-season, Sing got rid of Hill and decided to go all in with Alex. We all know what happened in 2010 with Jimmy Raye and Mike Johnson and Troy Smity, and Sing becoming more and more irrational until finally (thank goodness) Jed came to his senses and fired the Fraud Singletary. Now you know the rest of the story..
I know it is a nit, but if you post incorrect facts, however minor, it makes your entire argument weak.
@Rick
Your annoying facts of the historical events of AS and the Niners and benched and such are getting in the way of the BS.
Stop it.
You talk about Alexcuses, how many more times are you gonna use the analogy that because certain fans dont wear AS jerseys it means no one supports him? Again, just because you go the games does not mean you know more or you are the majority of fans who don’t support AS, in case you havent noticed, its a world wide sport.
Now your judging the demographic on here and stereotyping the ages of people who support Alex, WOW! Do yourself a favor right now, ask the closest person next to you to slap you upside the head and bring you back to reality.
@FDM:
Your opinion doesn’t count because you are not one of the one percenters, you know, the “most important fans.”
As to the suggestion that the vast majority of 49ers fans wanting to see Smith gone, I can only point to Matt Barrows’ recent poll: http://twitter.com/#!/mattbarrows/status/182551618603057153
*49ers fans want to see Smith gone
@FDM
Sorry. Have to call you out on this one man.
“Now your judging the demographic on here and stereotyping the ages of people who support Alex, WOW!”
Wasn’t it him who started the whole “If you are an AS fan, you must be 55 years of age” thing? So, it isn’t new material at all FDM. He is just rehashing the same stuff.
No way he does that with the rest of his material, is there?
Lol Claude…. Mb poll. Dude what’s that 100 people? Although I believe most want him back next because manning didn’t come… In the past when he stunk the 10 people on here and maybe the 200 fans that didn’t post wanted him gone! Trust me. He plays like last year and that was ok. And fails to take this team to the Super Bowl with a game like his last one. Fans will be screaming for CK. man up Claude. You know smith has to take it to another level THIS year.
And onelame. Your lame opinion means nothing. I know your ripping off some lettuce on that shoulder meatball of yours. Your a laughing stock with ONE follower on here. Wheeew
@md
Even if you are right about the past, how is it relevant to the poll or the present/future in this case?
And I am sure the poll is not claiming to be scientific at all, and it was not a random group of people and all the things that go into a “real poll”.
…I stopped reading after… “rabid small group of “fans” that loyally protect”……a false opinion you have been trying to put out there….which means the rest of what you wrote is garbage……
Bay, just a couple comments. Smith is way better than Quinn, Dorsey or Wilson, but I can see your comparing him to Grbac and Collins.
While the stadium crowd spend a lot of money to go to games they aren’t the only ones who spend their hard earned cash. I have a basement full of Niners gear that wasn’t free and have travelled out to a game which wasn’t cheap.
At least your opinion came without some of the childish garbage that shows up on here all too often.
Thanks Sean. I too have a small fortune of precious 49er paraphernalia. ( My wife calls it trash ) lol. I trust you support, especially if you travel to games from time to time : )
@Sean
Keep in mind the stadium crowd included all those wonderful citizens who fought and nearly died (or did that guy die?) in that Raider exhibition game.
So, just because you (rather bay) goes, does not make you (him) a better anything. People can be bad anywhere and everywhere. Claude I think posted something once about being in a large crowd lowers your IQ by like 10 points.
Wonder if the effect is cumulative when it comes to bay going to all the games he attends having an impact as the years go by? It would explain a great many things.
Any word of a similar follow-up study Claude?
Sean,
ever see the movie Sybil? DS has the same affliction. One personality is a man, one is a woman and one is an alien….
Welcher’s pal
Only been to the one game, so far, but it definitely won’t be the last. Nothing but great things to say about my experience at the game and the city of San Francisco. My wife has purchased most of what is in my basement so she takes my fandom in stride.
DS, my comment was just that there are others who spend money and they aren’t any less of a fan than the lucky ones who can afford to go to games. Not meant as a slight to anyone.
Bay=dumbs cousin
I know Sean.
Bay you hit that one out of the park. I agree on almost everything you said and have stated the same myself. Some on here do have a personal attachment to smith. And you are dead on with the small crowd in this computer world. Going to every game I know for a fact that last year the opinion changed a bit for smith at the stadium. And this year he will be accepted. But the expectation is high again. This year it’s elite or bust. People
Like onelame that sit on a computer and stalk a certain player while bagging on our GM have no idea what its like at the games. They live in tv land. Totally different at the stick. And he wonders why I use my season ticket line. He’s clueless like others on here. The fans that actually get off the couch and puts the chips and soda down to go to games are bar none THE REAL FANS… Not all that can’t afford to go aren’t REAL FANS, they are a lot of NINER fans that can’t make it, but when you invest your time and loud mouth defending a single player for years, your not a true fan.
Real talk bay! You know and the thousands of fans and hundreds of tickets holders know. You hit this one out of the park my friend.
But smith will be a top 7 qb this year, and like a real team fan I’m sure you’ll cheer him like everyone else. Because he earned it for once in his career. Smith die hards might be right one day, but how would that affect any real 9er fan? Answer….. It wouldn’t a bit. Winning = happy fans. Great read bay!
..ninermd we know you are dumb and your IQ is low because you have a ‘smooth brain’ meaning you have no wrinkles in your cerebral cortex, meaning no learning is taking place.
I believe claude said it perfectly…..again
Which are you (a) Niner fan or (b) Alex fan?
Those things are not mutually exclusive. Why do the Haters seem to have so much trouble understanding that?
Which are you (a) Niner fan or (b) Alex fan?
Asks onelame…….
In your world and on this blog these two are not the same in all cases. How could you be a 49er fan when calling our GM names? In order to defend smith who didn’t sign the contract in the first place. How is this onelame? All you are concerned with is smith. I don’t buy tickets to see smith. I went before him and I’ll be there after. I don’t think anyone can argue this fact. You on the other hand raises doubt. Bay said it perfectly. Which categorie do you fall under onelame? The good Ol American boy Alex your in love with or the poor I got my a$$ kicked in school and leave him alone categorie? It’s well known on here that your a smith supporter and nothing more. Your delusional if you think your fooling anyone on here. You are not a 49er fan. I would rather here a raider fans take ‘like Stan over yours. At least he doesn’t pretend to be a 49er fan. Onelame feed that little hamster upstairs and realize. You aren’t fooling anybody. C ya hater!
One and Jordo have made it about them and not the 9ers. Who cares. Now on to the draft…
…actually Hof…..when last did you read ninermd comments that didn’t mention oneniner….
you keep saying no one cares but you keep defending the moron
Well shoot, I guess because I was born and raised in England, a mere 6000 miles from San Francisco, I should burn all my memorabilia and stop supporting the 49ers then. That’s a real bummer, guess i’ve wasted the last 27 years of my life following the team, the joy of the 80′s wasn’t real for me huh, that sucks. But I suppose I must be lucky because it means that all the pain i went through over the last 10 years wasn’t real either.
The insinuation that a fan who doesn’t go to candlestick cannot be as knowledgable as a fan who does is laughable!
If you seriously think that you can get a better overview of a game from a seat in a stadium, then i’m guessing you haven’t checked out the television coverage recently. I haven’t been to Candlestick, but I have been to many sporting events finding myself sat right by the pitch on some occasions, and right up by the rafters on other occasions, and I can honestly say, that wherever I end up, a better view of the action will be found on TV.
If you argue that by going to the stadium you are more in touch with the atmosphere and the raw emotion then fine, but to say that you are therefore more knowledgable about football(or any sport) Uh-uh don’t think so. So some of us are not fortunate enough to live within reach of the stadium, that does not mean we either care less than you about the 49ers, or indeed that we know less about the 49ers! to suggest otherwise is crass and insulting.
My friend, the way you support the 49ers is admirable, but the way you and many others here take such pleasure in demeaning those who disagree with you is abhorrent. Smither or hater who the hell cares, this board is so much more abour slinging mud at those you don’t like that the actual subject matter is now irrelevent.
@d Clark
“…that the actual subject matter is now irrelevant.”
The subject of the blog is….
You might be right about that D. Clark.
Bay,
Well put. I’m not surprised by the angry responses since they are who we thought they were.
I wear a lot of Niner gear when I’m out and about and find myself having conversations about the team with complete strangers. Alex Smith almost always comes up and I have yet to hear one person declare faith in him. Most people I meet or know outside of this blog either want him gone, have lukewarm feelings about him, or think he’s just “OK” and are waiting things out until the the team finds their QB of the future.
Everyone agrees he’s a great guy – but I have never met anyone say “he’s going to be great, just you wait and see!!!!” outside of cyberspace.
..Chris Rock told a joke once…..that everytime a man opens a door for a woman or is being nice to a female, he his thinking about how he could have sex with her……
maybe they agree with you because they want to get laid……..just saying
if you were hot, I probably will hate Alex too……:)
You are EXACTLY right 49erGirl ! Well said and completely true in my experience.
49erGirl and MD Thank you. Just keepin it real. You guys are both RF’s…….
Most are TRYING to move on the to Stanford pro day or the draft. Now who has the AS problem??! Jeez not MUCH!!
Lol hof. You are posting on here too. C’mon bay said the truth without putting down the man. And by claude onelame and the rest commenting on it with frustration and anger. Means he was pretty much right. He got you all to respond. So which categorie do you fall under with the smith lovefest? Gotta admit his opinion on why you guys love him are on point.
MD, this is my last comment on the subject. There are some here where it ISN’T about AS. They are trying to make a name for themselves.
Very similar to debating religion or politics, there is no right or wrong and no one wins here! So why continue to waste brain cells beating a dead horse? I love football and more specifically, 9er football. If they chose PM or JTO for 2012, I’d be happy but I would move on. Why do we continue to discuss the same thing over and over unless there is an agenda?
*unhappy* but I would move on…
HOfer,
these are pretty strong words but I stand by them. You are a liar.
If what you say is true, show me one positive thing you said in the last week when it was disclosed that the 49ers lowballed Alex and were interested in bringing in PM as their QB. Show me one positive comment from you backing the FO and staff for moving in that direction and then I’ll believe you do not have an agenda that is pro alex first.
I know you can’t. And I know you’ll blow this off, but I’ve had fun this morning exposing the small group that fights for Alex every day….. And I know which group you fall under.
@ninermd:
Who reacted with frustration and anger? bay’s comment simply boils down to this: his opinion is more valid and counts more because he goes to games. Just because you agree with that idea doesn’t mean it isn’t complete and total horsh!t.
Believe me, I understand why you guys want to promote that idea. Your “facts” have been disproved, your “reasoning” has been shown to be faulty, and your arguments have been discredited. On the other hand, bay’s suggestion is a foolproof way to declare victory in arguments that you have been losing for months. “Since I go to games, and you don’t, my opinion is more valid than yours, so therefore I am right.”
It’s kind of clever, I guess, but it is still horsesh!t.
claude……facts were what???? you put up a poll of what 100 fans at the most? if polls were right McCain wouldnt have gotten blown out of the election. Get real. Fact is Bay called you Smith defenders out without saying anhing negetive and here you are posting on the subject with sword showing. Pathetic. You’ve been exposed. Dont me mad. Except it like your 25 year old leader onenoob. It liberates him.
@md
McCain was blown out during the last presidential election. Pretty much every not solid red state went for Obama.
@bay:
The only small group that you exposed was the group of arrogant people who think their opinions are somehow more valid merely because they go to games.
You speak the truth once again Bayarea ! But it falls on deaf ears for the few fans who simply refuse to hear.
I do somewhat disagree with you about the team needing Manning to sell tickets.They have already sold millions of dollars of seats for the new stadium and they won’t even be in it for another 2 years or more. They WILL sell out (as they already have sold out the stick for 2012 !).
Fans who know the score,like you ,will pay up,even if we have a less than decent QB starting in 2012 because the knowlegable fans know that Alex is just a placeholder for Kaep (or whoever), and they know that the future looks verey bright with Jed and TB and JH and staff AND a different starting QB on the near horizon.
But as you know,some FEW fans (or pretend fans in the case of the ONE),only care about Alex and not the long term (although Alex has become “long term” hasn’t he ,lol ? 8 years !!! ).
But maybe they are all right and we are wrong and JH didn’t really try to move Alex out(yeah right lol). Maybe Alex will improve soooo much that by his 15th year on the Niners he will become average or even a bit better ? If he keeps improving as he did last season ,in the year 2020 he might even make the PB ? Anything is possible.
And I think you will admit that if Alex ever does start to play really good NFL QB,that you and I will be happy for him and the team,because he is such a likable guy..
The 49ers need to upgrade the QB position and they made a legitimate attempt to do so. That attempt didn’t work out so Smith is the now the best option for 2012. I’m satisfied with that. Alex Smith is an acceptable Plan B.
bay, if that “logic” is what gets you through the season … by all means, go with it.
@bayarea thanks for your long and boring homily, I stopped readin about three sentences in and wanted to tell you please for the love of mankind, go renew your meds ad seek out a good psychologist, you need professional help now.
@Prime
At least he should add spaces between his paragraphs. It looks like one convoluted mess. It likely is anyway.
Thats sums up his entire exsistence, “one convoluted mess”.
@FDM….ouch…that hurts
Wow FDM.
If oneniner thinks that, it must be true.
But you all replied with anger or displeasure. What’s that mean? Means he was right about you guys.
Nice logic.
DS, I do get it. I just wanted to hear who Bay wants to compete with Smith. The QB free agent market is very weak at best.
@Jack
When has the FA QB market ever been good/great?
Never.
More to my point Jack,
How many HOF QB’s were ever in FA? I know it isn’t quite a fair question since FA is relatively new in the history of the game, but go with me here.
How many HOF QB’s who were in FA when picked up by their new team maintained the same level of play?
If memory serves, SY was traded for. And he sucked! If you are looking towards FA to solve your QB problems, you are looking in a desert for an ocean of water. Good luck. Only be sure not to fool yourself by seeing any mirages. Remember, they don’t really exist. Only in your mind.
Payton Manning, Drew Breese, Kurt Warner… Just a few off the top of my head from the last couple years..
Oh sorry DS, i forgot one for you, Alex Smth… ;)
@jsand
Drew Brees – Never in FA. Was traded for because his first team got a QB who went to the Pro Bowl and won a lot after DB left. See SY rule.
Kurt Warner – An all that QB in St. Louis. Went to the Giants, and really stank it up there. Then went to AZ, and was suddenly revived. Know what AZ and the Rams had that the Giants did not? WR’s who are worth something. WR’s who didn’t need to be “thrown open” all game every game long like he did in NY.
Thanks for proving that point. QB’s need WR’s to be great to be great themselves.
Alex Smith – Cute and thoughtful you thought of him. But nobody till the last few days thought of him as a FA until a few days before he signed with the team everybody knew he would play for. And that visit to Miami apparently got him another $6-9 million more. So, I know gas prices are high and plane trips are a hassle, but that is a worth while trip. Don’t you agree?
:- )
@ DS
Brees became a free agent in 2006
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Drew_Brees
DS,
This was your specific question:
“How many HOF QB’s who were in FA when picked up by their new team maintained the same level of play?”
I gave you 3 qualified answers.
Brees was a free agent. The Chargers low-balled him in 05 because of his shoulder surgery so he went to the Saints. This wasn’t too long ago, check your facts before you get to self righteous.
This is why my eyes just roll whenever you post something. You argue in such a definitive manner using false facts and off topic arguments. King of red herring arguments.
Thanks txt. Who was it that the Chargers traded then? I thought they got a bunch of draft picks for something around the time Brees went to NO.
@jsand. Sorry. Not buying you here. I shot your Kurt Warner down, and PM has not been playing at HOF level for the past few seasons he did play. A few posters have pointed out PM stats the last few years with AS. PM was not blowing away AS. And, who knows if PM will ever come close to his HOF play again.
Also, jsand. This is a blog. Not something that really matters to the world at large. No lives are really effected. We are not discussing treaty stipulations to end a war which killed millions here, and any mistake in the writing can just start it all up again. Perspective jsand.
I admitted to not knowing. You’ll find a few here who can’t. And at least one person who thinks that it is proper to quote the sentence:
“So- and so really sucks, not”
as
“So and so really sucks.”
Then proceed to tell you how to write and that you you said something which was clearly wrong.
P.S. If you don’t like my style of posts, you are free to skip my posts. There. Solved that problem for you. Wouldn’t want your eyes to roll so far into the back of your head you lose them.
“And please, don’t say Colin Kaepernick is ready and has a stronger arm and is a better dancer in the pocket and could lead the Niners to the Super Bowl.
No. And then again, no.
Kaepernick is a virtual rookie. And it doesn’t matter how many snaps he took in practice or that Jim Harbaugh may or may not love him. Kaerpernick is not ready. He is not the answer. He doesn’t even figure in the question.”
The quote above was from LC’s article yesterday. If AS fails, what leads us to believe that CK is ready? I know some think JJ can lead the team but he’s barely a thought at backup for any team at this point. LC was correct. The move was good for both the 9ers and AS. Now on to the draft…
Stanford Pro Day: Coby Fleener will run at 11 am. I’ll write a draft blog afterwards. Stay tuned.
Thanks Grant! Are you there in PA? It’s too bad they don’t open it up to fans but I’m sure it would turn into a circus if that were the case.
No, but they’ll broadcast it on ESPN3 and I’ll post a link. We can all watch.
Just a thought, Grant, but could you change the name of the blog to Inside the Alex Smith featuring the 49ers? Regardless of what you write about everything ultimately turns into an AS debate.
Keep up the good work, I enjoy keeping up with youir blog.
“But smith will be a top 7 qb this year, and like a real team fan I’m sure you’ll cheer him like everyone else.”
It’s unfortunate that personal agendas get into the way of logic. The team chooses AS because he is the *best* option this years as most columnists and beat writers have written. It is up to AS to elevate his level of play or force the 9ers to draft the franchise QB that will compete with CK. Either way, I agree with MD that as a fan of the team, I will not be happy with poor play or losses, but I will be “all in” based on JH’s plan, program, and system. I’m looking forward to the draft!
You weren’t all in when his choice was Manning. You are just trying to play the team player card now that Smith is back. I would have more respect for your opinion if it didn’t sound like an Eggo popping out of the toaster.
Grant, thanks for linking ESPN3. Looking forward to seeing CF run his 40. I’m thinking he does a 4.55, what do you think he’ll run??
4.55 sounds right.
4.5 but is his right ankle chronic
4.45 with wind
4.51 against the wind
@jg
Which means what in the swirling winds of Candlestick?
4.45 for a few steps, then drops to 4.51 for another few steps, and so on.
Seems like a blog about hating Alex Smith? I thought this was where Niners fans came? Get over it he is the qb move on!
Its beyond hating and loving Smith. Its about hating the ones who love and hate Smith. Nice post but it isnt going to end untill next year.
“Its about hating the ones who love and hate Smith.”
You just nailed it right there. Exactly!
23jordan be a man keep your word leave the blog! Alex is more of a man than you bro take that to the bank!
Sourdough Sam – 23J probably knows more about football than you know about fermenting dough!
You’re right, this should be a place where Niner fans debate football. Unfortunately, the Alex Smith diehards (spin doctors)rejoice for Alex more than the team. So some of us real Niner fans have to balance the budget, you catch my drift?
The spin stops here!
>>23J probably knows more about football than you know about fermenting dough!
Debatable. But 23J did vow to exit. If a cat’s word means nothing, what does that say about his opinions.
@Crab15:
That’s funny. I find the Haters’ argument just as full of distortion and spin, if not more so, than I do the “Alex Smith Diehards”
As for people who focus on Alex Smith to the exclusion of the rest of the team, compare jordan’s, bay’s, Neal’s, and NicRow’s posts to those of oneniner, DS, Hoferfan67 and whomever else you want to label as an Alex Smith Diehard. I guarantee you that the former group’s posts will have a higher ratio of Alex Smith posts to total posts than the latter’s. I don’t think it will even be close.
*I guarantee you that the former group will have a higher ratio of Alex Smith posts to total posts than the latter group. I don’t think it will even be close.
Sorry for the poor grammar/syntax.
C Balls – Well said, you may be right.
I did find it puzzling that the so-called “Smithers” (first time i’ve ever used that term) appeared to be so overjoyed that the Niners missed out on Peyton Manning.
When that happens it makes it difficult to remain neutral. Atleast for me.
ribico – I didn’t see 23J’s post but if he did say he’d leave this blog if Alex resigned with Niners, then it’s up to him to explain why he didn’t own up to it.
If it’s true, 23J should clarify if he was serious or if he was just being sarcastic.
Crab15,
you hit the nail on the head partner. Not all, but a select few of the Smithers were not overjoyed to bring in Manning. The agenda is clear with those folks.
It is not about the team with them. They are …. well you know what they are but more importantly what they are not. Not 49er fans first. You know who they are……..
Do you have something personal against Alex Smith Bayarea fanatic, everytime I come on here your talking/insulting Alex or fans that like him, I dont get it?
Just stating my opinion. It’s a blog for 49er fans. It’s what you are supposed to do….. Just calling out some people that obviously are more fans of one player than they are of the team….
I understand its a 49 ers blog and a forum to express your opinion but I sense some very strong hostility towards the player and people who support the team. I mean is that not what a fan does, support the team, you seem to be doing the opposite by critisizing the player, therefore, the organization as he is part of it right?
Now I get not everyone is going to like each individual player, but Ive been on here 2 weeks and Im gonna say 99.9% of your opinions are negative and directed at Alex, I dont get that as a ‘fan’?
Latino Heat – Two weeks in here is not enough time to be judging people that have been blogging in here for years.
Give it some time bro, this blog in an acquired taste (like beer). My first taste of beer was a Lowenbrau my buddy and I borrowed from his dads fridge in 8th grade. It was awful man.
Welcome to the blog (two weeks late).
Sounds good Crabs, Ill check back with you in two weeks and see if my observation was correct on this bayarea guy.
@Claude
“I guarantee you that the former group will have a higher ratio of Alex Smith posts to total posts than the latter group. I don’t think it will even be close.”
Most of the time, the posts I write about AS is in response to somebodies post about AS.
L Heat, thanks for the comment. Good to hear a different perspective from a neutral (newer contributor) party once in while. I’ve enjoyed your viewpoints and look forward to more reads from you.
I hardly think this story -or Barber – is great. It simply repeats what we already know–that Alex is a balanced fellow, almost Buddha like in his equanimity, and that upper management(JH and Baalke, not York) will do anything to win, breaking trust if need be. I would have preferred some insight into the nuts and bolts of the change: What kind of team exactly does JH envision and is Alex an obstacle or, just the opposite, the ideal qb to run it? Would Manning have been a luxury but also perhaps a diversion of sorts, since the offense would have had to been built around Manning? What exactly does Manning bring, given that his stats in playoffs and in recent years was less than extraordinary (of course, the team around him was often less than good)
Alex comment (I look forward to competing with Peyton) shows great wit too–unless he was serious.
Stanford’s Pro Day live stream: http://espn.go.com/watchespn/index/_/id/425781/stanford-football-pro-day-featuring-andrew-luck
Not getting access… something about service provider nonsense??!
It didn’t work for me in Google Chrome, just Internet Explorer.
Yeah I use chrome also. I switch over…
Got it – thanks!!
i hope moss doesnt ruin the team by tryin to chew up AS
Fleener’s running now.
Fleener just ran an unofficial 4.45. Wow.
GC, you took the words out of my mouth. He will prob be gone when the 9ers draft. UUGGHHH!
CFleener unofficial time 4.45 WOW! He may not make it to the 9ers #30 pick.
JMartin only 20 reps – not much – shouldn’t stop him from being a top OT drafted!
It would be nice to have him but I think he might have just jumped up a lot of draft boards. With his size/speed ratio he is almost guarannteed to be drafted by the Raiders and have a miserable career lol!!!
Yeah it’s sad he may be wasted on a poor team. Hope not!
I have a strong feelling Harbaugh wont let a Stanford receiver slip through his hands this yr. With that being said I think we draft Owusu instead if Fleener. On another not RB Ganaway ran under 4.5 at 245lbs yesteday at Baylor pro day. Wouldnt mind him as a short yardage back to eventually takeover as starter. Him and Hunter will be a deadly combo.
Didn’t Owusu run a 4.35 at the combine?
I wouldn’t draft players with heavy concussion histories.
ALuck is getting ready to throw albeit it is windy as hell at Stanford right now.
Yeah I think he tied with S.Hill and Streeter for the fastest time. He has good size and I know he is gonna block only down side is his concussion issues.
Grant. RG3 had such a good day at his pro day do you see Indy switching it up and picking him over AL and AL ends up in Wash?? Would be an interesting twist!
@latino heat, it’s easy to explain, he’s a crusty old Raider fan trolling on a 49ers blog. I’ve said this all year, no fan puts that much energy and distaste towards a player of a team he says he is a fan of. You said yourself, you’ve been on here a week and 99.9% of his comments is horse beep, something like that!
Hey Prime Harbaugh spent some time as a Raider coach. I’m sure he valued that experience. I’m not going to hate on that. I save my hate for divisional opponents.
Now go away little angry man.
CSN Bay Area’s Matt Maiocco reports that Alex Smith’s new three-year deal with the 49ers only contains $9 million guaranteed. The AP previously reported that Smith got $16.5M guaranteed. Smith’s three-year deal has a base value of $24 million, with another $9M available through incentives — $33 million in total possible.
I read that too, the guarantee originally was 8 million, and the Niners went up to 9 million, a good offer for a middle of the road QB, who underperformed until this past year. Also said a million times, he had no other place to go, other then holding a clipboard with Uncle Norv.
@bay, what the hell that means about JH working as a Raider coach an you gettin called out from a newbie on here is beyond me. I told you last night, go get some professional help soon, your dementia is kicking in and needs attention soon!