There’s a lot of buzz this morning that Alex Smith will sign a three-year contract extension with the 49ers soon.
And he very well may.
The buzz comes from a CBS 5 blog blurb by Dennis O’Donnell, in which he summarizes an interview between Smith and Kim Coyle, saying that reports of Smith requesting a five-year contract are “completely false.” Those are the only two quoted words in the blurb.
I found the video of the interview on YouTube, and for the life of me I can’t find the moment when Smith says those two words, nor when he addresses the length of the contract. Maybe Smith talked about those things with Coyle off the record.
Here’s the video of the interview. KPIX uploaded it to YouTube yesterday, but I can’t tell where or when it took place.
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now that smith is all but a done deal is there any news on morgan or snyder. are they negotiating
I don’t know if this helps, but it is the only thing I could find.
http://www.nfl.com/news/story/09000d5d82787cea/article/niners-reportedly-want-to-keep-morgan-from-free-agency
@Grant
It isn’t that shocking at all.
So, with this the stupid PM talk will die forever. Thank God.
Yeah why would the niners want a legend when they have a bust bum at qb…. Go watch sex in the city you don’t understand football fruit loop.
Threeandout,
I keep waiting for to back up your hate for Smith with some tangible evidence, but it seems you are only interested in hating with limited vocabulary. At least Bay and 23 try to show proof of why they don’t like Smith.
@midwest
3 and out was out as far as I was concerned with his first.
no player signed under the old rookie salary system is a good deal its just something the teams will have to live with for a couple more yrs
Mr. Cohn’s predictions generally signal the kiss of death for his assertions!
Yes good to move on from what was much ado about nothing. Ya…. like Alex wasn’t going to Re-sign to the only “Sarting” QB Slot in the NFL.
Time to move on to Morgan, Grant & Snyder, now those moves are Priority.
@midwest
Nahhh.
That would be reasonable and a sign of a good team guy. Can’t hate a guy who does that. So, is easier to lie and just make BS up that defends your view in light of any facts which are presented.
Cool Off Smithers he’s only signing a short-term deal so that means he caved in
What it means is you are stuck cheering for a guy you booed.
Seconded.
regardless of the reasons it means we can move on to other topics moss/morgan/snyder and if we dont sign these 3 who will they sign with all that remaining cap room
a cap space which is not as high as first reported ….down in the teens now…..
RM not so much. You would think they would learn a lesson from the BEdwards fiasco.
I’m not in favor of signing Moss either. Too much bagage. Also, he’s not a good fit for the team.
If he is happy about the deal and has his agent working out the final details, then how are you coming to the conclusion that Smith caved in? Maybe he was making sure the team has enougg salary after signing him so the Niners can resign some of their free agents and get a WR as well.
What it means is this:
1. The Niner FO and JH aren’t totally sold on Smith and don’t want to commit to him long term. Good news there, IMHO.
2. We may be pissing away a golden opportunity at winning a Super Bowl unless last year was not an anomoly and Smith improves. Under this scenario, I expect a very short leash. Plan B may become reality much sooner than some expect.
Have you ever thought that this is the amount of time the FO thinks Smith can improve on and Smith is willing to take up the challenge? Or maybe even he wanted this type of deal so the team can acquire other key pieces? Don’t assume it’s just because the team doesn’t believe in Smith Neal.
Nick you are dead on…. Smith has to come back with his tail between his legs because no other team would offer him more LOL, niners aren’t going to bid against themselves. Also #2 is right… Smith last year played very very pedestrian and it was his best year ever, it took the best defense in the nfl, the best special teams in the nfl , best starting field position in the nfl and the best turn over differential in 30 years, it took so many things breaking right for a qb to average a pathetic 150 yds 1 td a game and get to the nfc championship game. They will NEVER get that far again with smith at the helm.
By week 7 at the latest alex smith will not be the niners quarterback ever again. JH got stuck with him due to the lockup, he had to play puppetmaster to even get a mediocre year out of this inaccurate wimp, alex smith is done all his school girl fans can stop following the nfl after this season. Finally this cancer will be removed. Alex Smith you a punk little criminal that has stolen so much money from the niners you should be in prison.
Threeandout,
Free agency hasn’t started, so how do you know other teams weren’t interested in him? Plus if you try to think about it, the whole offense was pedestrian because they were not fully utilizing the playbook. Why don’t you try being optimistic about the team next season?
To have you call Smith a cancer proves you don’t have a clue about sports since that term is used to describe a troublemaker that cause discourse on a team.
i still think we will sign rogers just after the tuesday
So, glad to hear people saying the 49ers need to sign Snyder, Grant and Morgan !!! On other sites people are OK with letting them go.
1. Snyder was huge last year. He is a true WCO Lineman – mobile, versatile, smart.
2. Grant played well enough to be a starter on most teams and when you play a 3/4 you NEED a great back up MLB because they take so many hits.
3. Morgan looked GREAT in his limited time last year. The 49ers showing him loyalty will go a long way with FA’s. IF you treat people right, guys will want to play for the 49ers.
Jed, Yu, Trent and Jim are the best young front office in football – they will build winners
FYI
There are lots of people who want to get rid of virtually every player we had in FA here as well.
AS, CR, Snyder, Ginn, etc. Basically, the guys who were the difference makers in the Niners winning between last year and this year.
Makes a lot of sense, right?
tghe stupidest part is theyl let ginn rogers an possibly morgan GO. anyone else remember how SOFT our our secondary was before last year?? rogers came in an changed that…gone…anyone remeber how we had the best ST return average an who was our return man running back 2 TDs in one game..gone.. anyone rememebr our best receiver with of the best YAC averages in the league…gone. we could be in for a long year folks
@Ahhh
I like CR a lot. And, I want him back. But I don’t think he changed the atmosphere in the secondary from being soft.
DG and TB were already here, so they didn’t do it either. The guy who I give the most credit for making a “non-soft” secondary is Whitner. His football IQ was higher than DG and due to his presence DG could focus on making plays and not worrying about where to line people up. DW was also able to make a few big plays himself while managing the secondary. Something DG could not do in 2010.
It was never about the length of the drafted contract only about guarantee and base pay – if he has another very good to great year under JH’s tutelage, they will quickly modify the length for the longer term.
@Hofer
That’s the logical and prudent thing to do. Since nobody really knows how Smith will play next year. If he stinks it up, then he’ll be gone sooner than later. If he dramatically builds on last year, then an extension will be warranted.
That’s why I think the contract is more to challenge AS than to discourage him. It also leaves open the door for CK. It is beneficial to both QBs.
That’s what I said.
On a side note, NFL network’s Adam Shafter is reporting that the Peyton Manning sweepstakes may be over. Denver is the front runner.
tebow fans will pitch a fit. i ca’nt wait to hear what skip bayless will have to say
Good. Too much Favre-esque drama. Hope they get what they wished for. Poor BAdams in Tennessee won’t be too happy.
oops, meant Adam Schefter
I am looking forward to the buzz from Grant. Other sources might not be so reliable..:)
Anybody see the video Grant linked?
Sure seems to me that AS wants to stay here and that he has been under the impression that the Niners want to have him back.
All these posts the past few weeks, and for what? To expunge your anger and hate?
Of course he wants to stay here, no other team is interested in him.
So you are an insider on every NFL team Neal? Of not, then hush.
if that were true the 9ers would have offered him the veteran minimum, knowing that no one else would offer him a dollar more. sometimes we forget its a business the 9ers could spend their cap money alot of other places if no one else was interested in AS
Well said Coach.
Old Coach,
That was ridiculous statement the veteran minimum, they want to give him a fair deal, not a lucrative deal that other QB’s are getting. He is not the worst QB in football, he is just in the middle of the pack
Neal
Please connect the lines between you last post and the one at 9:49.
How can both be accurate? Average means that half the teams have worse QB’s. That means half the NFL would want to have AS.
Never has so little been expected from a quarterback before yet been rewarded so handsomely for it.
Unless you know the exact details of the contract, I’d say this was a foolish post Ghost. You just did a great disservice to the memory of Bill Walsh.
I agree with Ghost and I think Bill Walsh might too. Alex is no Joe or Steve. But at the right price, maybe it makes some sense for Alex to hold the position while Kapernick is groomed to replace him. If Smith doesn’t show significant improvement, especially with 3rd down and red zone efficiency, they can transition this year.
I interpret this contract as a sign of confidence in Kapernick.
Alan,
If Ghost had posted what you did, then I wouldn’t have called his post foolish.
you must not have seen Sanchize’s new contract
this is really kind of bad news, sure Alex had a good season last yr can’t complain about it. but, putting all the eggs in the basket that Smith is gonna win us a superbowl is quite risky Imo. He has been quite inaccurate to Wr’s throughout his entire career, and don’t come back with the no good Wr excuse please. I’m willing to give him another season with a new Wr threat but, this is my last season, if he doesn’t get it done with new talent at Wr, possibly moss I can’t take it anymore. We all want the 6th ring, now its up to Smith to lead us there I guess.
There is a huge difference between an excuse and a fact.
Is giving Alex Smith “another season” your final offer? What are you going to do after your “my last season” if you “can’t take it anymore?” Only one team from the NFC gets to go to the Superbowl. Are you going to switch to rugby if the 49ers don’t make it to the Superbowl?
“Are you going to switch to rugby if the 49ers don’t make it to the Superbowl?”
Gosh, I hope so. lol
Besides, this issue is now closed. AS will get a 3 year contract. You may think it stupid. Good for you. I’ll be sure to tell the Niner FO that.
Sounds like he is finally ready to sign the deal that has been on the table for a few months now.
TC wouldn’t play it that way. Good deal both ways. Now get the offense some receivers. Go 9ers!!
You’ve seen this contract on a table for a few months now? Amazing.
@nickrow i agree smith will have to continue to improve next year to keep his job. i think harbaughs expectations will go up. i think he will need to pass for five or six hundred more yards throw at least 5 more TD’s while throwing less than 10 ints. overall the offense will have to score 10 more TD’s next year and the team will need to win the west.
Agree, Coach…but I’d add that EVERYBODY will be expected to improve this year…including Coach Harbaugh. And I think all our guys will be up to that challenge. You’ve probably seen the stories where Harbaugh’s theory is that the greatest improvement comes between year one and year two. I think he’s right, and I think all the surprise last year at how much of an improvement the team made in it’s first year under Harbaugh will be forgotten, overshadowed by THIS year’s improvement!
GO NINERS!
@rusty i agree everyone will be expected to pick up there game if only by a small amount it just easier to track a QB’s improvement and its also the most important position on the field
The 5 year contract was obviously some troll who just wanted to get the hopes up of all Smith haters. Probably the same dude that started the rumors of PM signing, or JH trading the entire draft for AL, or even better, wondering if AL might hopefully renounce the rest of the NFL and declare he would only play for JH… hahaha!!!
Welcome back Alex!! A full training camp and maybe a wide receiver who can catch will join you this year.
Another 3 years of 150 yards passing 1td 0int and 5 sacks somebody shoot me please!!!
well if you insist…..
Coach,
LOL.
Any wr we get will just be another ferrari alice smith can’t take out of first gear. Sorry idiots he played like CRAP last year, yeah he had 5 picks because he never took a risk, no risk dumb dumbs, no reward. No other fans in the nfl would say a qb that averaged 150 yds and 1 td a game a good year. You idiots need to go back to football school. Alex Smith is a loser cancer who will be beaten out in training camp and then he will kill himself cause the loser has no confidence.
no risk no reward? after 9 yrs of losing i think a trip to the nfc championship [at home] is at least a little reward.
Wishing death on someone shows what type of person you are threeandout.
Alex3andoutSmith, words of wisdom my friend.
what a sad little boy you are…
When looking at this list, based on what I see, Alex Smith should not receive more than $6 Million a year in base salary and guaranteed for no more than two years.
http://www.spotrac.com/top-salaries/nfl/quarterback/
An old sales guy once told me, “kid if you want a raise, your raise is out there on the street. Go sell more.”
Well Mr Smith, if you want more money, your raise is out there on the field. Produce more. Develop a sack and learn to pull the trigger….
Bay, check out EB at the Chron. He writes an article and back it up by fact why AS should get paid more than MS. I don’t really care how much he gets paid. JH and staff will have this offense humming with extra time during the offseason. MC, VD, AS, new receivers (possibly CFleener) will be cranking. Stay tuned…
If the Niners sign Moss, Fleener seems like a logical and likely pick for Niners in the first round.
I’ve got all the FACTS I need. But thanks anyway. You need to look no further than his rankings in yards, scoring, third down conversions.
If you watch games closely the other telling sign is that if a play breaks down Smith is not gifted at all in terms of creating on his own.
Like I said, these are all the facts I need. I know what our plan is now. Offer an average contract for an average QB. Should he step up his production then he will retain his spot, otherwise the stud behind him will eventually take over…..
Three big targets instead of just one will make a big difference and maybe allow Crabtree to break out.
Agree, but I’m thinking Moss is good for only a year. I’m not a fan of them signing him, but if he still has the speed as stated, AS can hit him in stride a la VD? CFleener will be the best option at #30 – other top WRs will be gone and they won’t overdraft.
Bay, I can see you are being your normal close-minded self when it comes to AS. BTW, who gives a rats a** what the 9ers pay him? It’s not our money! lol
Don’t forget WR drops and play calling played a part in those stats Bay. I expect the offense as a whole to improve next season.
Hofer,
I UNLIKE you am a 49er fan. Not a Smith fan first. You’ve been labeled that quite a bit over the last two years on several sites.
I give a rats a$$ about how much they play him because the CAP figure has an effect on my team the 49ers. If they overpay for Smith league low production it affects the overall health of the team and its ability to bring in better talent.
We know you have a tie to Smith somehow Hofer. Good for you, route for your guy. Just remember that most of us here care for the team first…..
Bay, so it’s *only* about the cap number and not the fact that AS is their long term choice at QB? Hmm.
It does not matter what you say hof.
Bay ain’t budging.
Bay won’t budge but he will have to come to grips with the fact AS will be here for the next 3-5 years. That alone puts a smile on my face knowing that once again, the hater king is wrong again. I think it was Prime who had a list going on all the things the haters predicted would come true regarding AS and to date they have been right not once. That alone shows they have an agenda that agenda does not coincide with what Harbaugh is doing, and Harbaugh is the man! Someone please find that list?
@FDM
I think it was around week 8 or so. There were like 20 or so reasons.
predictions. Not reasons.
LOL what a bunch of little girls in here hahahaha. Everybody in the nfl knows alex smith is garbage, even other wr’s like Roddy White make fun of that bum on twitter. Only these prius driving rainbow flag fans think alex smith is any good. Dude can’t even make half of nfl throws. Do you know what a 20 yard comeback route is feminine fans? Well it’s one of many throws your pathetic girlfriend alex smith cant make hahahaha.
Rainbow flag fans? i thought the hate speech was going to stop.
Wow. Another hater that’s all whine and nothing else.
That’s Dan, not you Coach.
Dan just go away. Peddle your hate somewhere else.
obviously someones still mad we worked his team
As usual you are telling it like it really is bayareafan !
DanBunz: Although you have a few valid points you lose all credibility when you call other fans childish names etc.Stick to talking football and lay off attacking loyal Niners fans just because they dont agree with your point of view !
The agenda addicted session is over…Timmy is out.
Well said tim
@Tim
Although you have a few valid points..
And what are those valid points??
True Hof, it’s not our $ .I guess bay was just using $ and probable years in the reported contract to say that it looks like an average nfl qb’s contract for an ordinary qb ?A valid point if you ask me . In other words if JH was sold on Alex, as he says then they would be trying to lock up Alex long term and for big $. On the other hand if the truth is that they want Kaep to step in as soon as he is ready then they will want to be able to either have a lower year and $ contract with Alex so they can more easily move on when that time comes.
It’s not our $ but we all do pay attention and care about how they are building the team with THEIR money !
Why are there still arguments about smith signing? Who didn’t think hed be back. The question is if his agent wasn’t holding out for five years , then why so long to sign? Right before FA starts? It’s because they did hold out and cracked. Smith had no leverage in FA. No big deal now get him for cheap and get a wr in FA. Cross your fingers for harbaugh getting smith into real “elite” status and we get to the Super Bowl.
Three years says they dont have full confidence that smith will be here for long haul. Plain and simple. Smith and his agent wanted more money than the niners offered and more years. They Caved to the years lets see what the money is going to be.
He hasn’t cracked and signed anything yet.
Quit messing with us Grant…we all know he’s going to sign eventually.
Teasing us is just not nice :-)
Ds arguments about his performance yes. But the free agency deal is going to end soon. Smith like private Mayo’ “has no place else to go” lol
MD,
You have no way of knowing if that’s true. All you have is a narative that supports your “Smith is the Worst QB in the NFL” story arc. Just as I don’t know if he does have any other teams interested in him.
What I do know, is that every article I’ve read, or analysis I’ve heard, that contained an opinion on the subject, indicated that if Smith was really looking to go somewhere else, he’d be sought after. For example, Peter King [you know, the contry's most respected NFL reporter] ranked Smith as the 13th most valuable FA, and commented the only reason he was so low on the list, is that everyone knows he’s signing with the 49ers.
It is a tough choice, to go with the opinion of a couple of uber-biased anti Smith fans, or a legion of reporters and analysts with direct sources in the NFL. Hmm, tough choice, but I’m going to go with the latter.
@md
I thought reading your first sentence of this post that you were a newbie here.
There will be arguments about AS signing next week, month, year, after a Super Bowl or two. It won’t end.
Last year, the same people said “I will be happy if we win games dith AS.” AS did, but the people were not happy. They just keep moving the bar. Eventually they will ask for AS to win more Super Bowls than JM did and anything less (since he was the #1 pick in the draft) is a failure.
Any other QB could have done it they will say. And, you can’t stop somebody from saying something.
He might be waiting to see how Moss does and if the Niners will try to sign him.
The question is if his agent wasn’t holding out for five years , then why so long to sign?
Yeah, his agent couldn’t possibly be busy with other clients. It’s not like the guy represents Peyton Manning.
What? …
He does? …
Never mind.
You honestly believe Smith hasn’t signed yet because his agent has been busy, not because his agent has been pushing for a better deal?
Yeah Really Claude,,,,, This is why I told you to stick to your copy and paste projects. Everytime you open your trap about anything else but lame comebacks you sound foolish. Yep Im sure his agent is VEEEERY busy…TO DO HIS JOB!!!! WOW
@Grant:
No, of course Condon is trying to improve the contract terms. I think that there has been back and forth between both sides for however long they have been doing more than talking in generalities.
I also think that the lead up to the Manning Circus and the actual Circus has been a bigger priority for Condon, so he likely has been slower in firing back counter proposals than he was earlier in the process.
I also disagree with the opinion that the parties have taken an excessively long time to reach final agreement. There has been no pressure on either side to sign anything quickly, so it should not be any surprise that this hasn’t been a quick negotiation. Smith has said he wants to come back, and the 49ers have said they want him back. Where’s the pressure? Hell, even when the Saints had real pressure to get a deal done with Drew Brees prior to the franchise deadline, they were unable to do so.
I certainly don’t think that Condon has held up negotiations for months insisting on a 5 year deal and now suddenly has caved because free agency is coming. It’s not like the 49ers are going to withdraw their offer to Smith. Unless they jump very quickly into the Peyton Manning derby, there aren’t going to be a lot of (if any) better alternatives out there for them.
It seems like Alex Smith and his agent want the Niners to meet them in the middle and the Niners won’t budge. Alex may yield completely and take the Niners offer, or he may hit free agency tomorrow to try to gain leverage.
“trying to improve the contract terms.”
Or reword the contract in a way that AS and the FO don’t take a negative hit PR wise. It will end up looking good for the org and AS. Next.
BTW, with all of the AS contract talk, where are the other 9er FAs that are in limbo out there??
How do you suppose the Niners will make this look good for Alex Smith?
Tramaine Brock and Larry Grant just got tendered.
@Gratn:
It seems like Alex Smith and his agent want the Niners to meet them in the middle and the Niners won’t budge.
That’s a whole lot of supposition you have going there, particularly when you pair it up with your belief that the 49ers are sticking by a months-old proposal.
Alex may yield completely and take the Niners offer, or he may hit free agency tomorrow to try to gain leverage.,/i>
Or the two sides may do what usually happens in these negotiations. You know, reach a negotiated agreement.
York said it’s up to Smith, not that they’re going to reach a negotiated agreement. He basically said take it or leave it.
*@Grant
And I screwed up the html again
Sorry about both of those.
I think Claude makes some very good points. We see contracts going down to the wire every year for a reason. Both parties want every minute possible to explore their options. In this case both parties want the same thing so it comes down to coming up with an amicable solution for both. We know the Niners have a contract on the table for Smith, but that’s all we know. There are a ton of details that need to be taken care of and we don’t know how many ammenities have been added or changed over the past few days after the Sanchez restructure.
Too many times we want to paint things Black and White when most of the time you can’t. There are so many factors involved that make it a long and tedious process.
That is a good thing Grant.
What does that have to do with showing faith in AS or not?
Grant:
Yes, we know he didnt sign quite yet.But everyone knew he would,since he really had no other options. I guess we are just jumping the gun a bit because we trust your “buzz” so much ,:)
Yes AS will sign and if he continues to make huge strides as he did last year he will be the long term QB and it won’t matter if the contract on the table is 2, 3 , 4 or 5 years. Now the 9ers will take care of the receiving corp via FA and the draft.
From horrible to average. I guess those are huge strides. Lol
AS signed so half the blog is screaming I WAS RIGHT I WAS RIGHT he only signed for 3 years so the other half of the blog is screaming I WAS RIGHT I WAS RIGHT. it does’nt damn well matter who was right. Now its just time for ALL of us to fall behind AS because he will be our starter next year which is the only thing that matters for now.
now lets move on to rogers/snyder/morgan and the draft
…we can hope we can move on from the Alex agenda…..
maybe the neighborhood dogs will stop barking at the Mail carrier too…….
There are some Cap Casualty Cuts around the league. It will be interesting to see if any of the older players get any interest from TB
the raiders cut CB chris Johnson he could come cheap and with some quality coaching could be solid
is i me or is our team low balling our guys?
Ds:
I think all true Niners fans hope Alex will lead us to several SB wins. But the difference between your point of view and most other Niner’s fans point of view on the subject is that yoy believe Alex led the team to the NFC Championship game last season and the rest of us firmly believe Alex rode the coat tails of the defense and st’s and a wise coaching staff who used Smith wisely and didnt let him mess it all up for the others with his limited talent and his usual team killing performances of the past. They got the most out of Alex that Alex had to give. But Alex was rarely much of the reason they won games,but he wasnt his usual , a main reason they lost games. Hopefully Alex will improve greatly and maybe JH will start to truely trust him, who knows? I hope so !
and the truth lies probably half way between your opinion and DS’s
@Tim
Well, we can agree that you like run-on sentences.
“But the difference between your point of view and most other Niner’s fans point of view on the subject is that yoy believe Alex led the team to the NFC Championship game last season and the rest of us firmly believe Alex rode the coat tails of the defense and st’s and a wise coaching staff who used Smith wisely and didnt let him mess it all up for the others with his limited talent and his usual team killing performances of the past. ”
@old coach
My opinions largely stem from JH’s opinion. Take from that what you will. I have not said too much that is all that different than he has regarding AS.
Like I said. The current theory on my true identity is that I am the president often AS fan club and the president of the AS is the HC JH who stood up and defended bringing back AS, so I am JH.
Old Coach
I actually think my opinions about Alex ARE the middle of the road opinions about him. Between the real haters and the Alex can do no wrong crowd there is me and I believe are the vast majority of fans..
fair enough
Tim sees it that way but not reads that way. Check out the archives. BTW, other than maybe one on here, who said AS does no wrong??! Most of the time I see a comment stating *if* he continues to improve under JH’s tutelage. Your statement belongs with *all* of the people that post here that say AS is *elite*. I never saw anyone say he was elite currently.
For the record Tim, I never considered you a hater.
Many people have. I have not. Largely due to your post to bay about name calling. You have not done it (or very much of it, and never started it).
I did like our little conversation before about you me and reason. Where you stated that I am wall between you and reason. Taken literally, that would mean that I am closer to reason than you are.
Tim – Me (wall) – Reason
And “hater” has nothing to do with AS, or MC or football even. Some here can’t get past that. Some people can’t get past the fact that the wold was not flat. They never did, and went to their graves thinking it. Doesn’t mean they were right.
What I have been calling for in Alex’s new contract is about a 5 year deal that has the heaviest salary in the last 3 years, with the contract being allowed to be voided by either Alex or the team after 2 years.That way if JH’s guy Kaep is ready to take over in a year or two as expected, then either Alex can take fair salary and bonus money he already got and opt out,if he thinks he can find a more promising landing spot where he might one day be able to start again. If he wants to stay (as is my personal preference) then they can re-negotiate a fair backup QB contract for him to stay .
If the 9ers sign PM, he will be good for 4 years give or take and they can use CK for trade bait a la KKolb. Keep the team in draft choices for years and keep up with the recent STL trade with Wash. Hmm.
Sorry Hof if my lack of writing skill leads you to misunderstand how I feel about Alex. I like Alex quite a bit and respect him and cheer for him with all my heart. On the other hand I am sorry that I feel compelled to report my humble opinions on his lack of talent on the NFL football field. I just try to give mho,good and bad and it’s up to Alex tp perform differently on the field to change my opinions of him. I already changed from a devoted backer of Alex , who was very slow to judge,to finally being forced to change to facing the reality that he is simply nothing special on the field of play,as he is a rather special guy off the field. I hope to be able to change once again but that is up to Alex to play much better ,its not up to me to become a liar and post opinions that I dont really believe,just because I like Alex as a person so much.
DS:
Glad you see I am not a “hater”. I do however think you mixed me up with someone else about the “wall” thing.
: – )
That was a fun conversation we had Tim. No putting down other bloggers and I had fun writing it. I hope you did as well.
Actually DS, he also could mean that a bunch of teams already have “average” qb’s and therefore it would be no step up for them to aquire another average qb.Those teams are hoping for upgrades,as the Niners are also hoping either Alex becomes or Kaep becomes. Alex is not there yey,imho not close but there is still the slight possibilitythat Alex might make tgat jump if he greatly improve. who knows ?
@Tim
Did you see Kolb this year? Or that QB AZ had the year before? They are both way worse than AS has been – his rookie year.
Seattle’s QB wasn’t lighting the world on fire. And for much of the year, the Rams back up wasn’t either.
So, right there, AS was better than any of the 3 QB’s in our own division who started multiple games. So, he was the best QB in our division. No telling how Sam Bradford is going to turn out. He is on his 2nd HC and 2nd (or 3rd) OC. So, as of right now, he is not better than AS.
I’d say AS is the best in our division. Wouldn’t you?
Besides, the contract thing is between AS and TB. TB didn’t want AS back. JH had to convince both AS and TB to come back here. JH won’t let AS walk. And AS is wearing flip-flops. He can’t walk that far right now. Not because he can’t. But because his flip-flops are just more comfortable.
Yep DS, it is a rare pleasure when two fans on this site who disagree can make their differing points witout one or the other feeling the need to lash out at the other. We are hopefully all Niners fans here, so friendly conversation should be the norm.
Tired of reading all the hate comments, probably same “fans” that can’t let me enjoy a game w/ my sons in the stadium. O well nothing beats my lazyboy and hi-def. “To a great draft, retaining snyder, ginn, morgan and another run towards the SB!” IN HARBAUGH I TRUST!
avg nfl Qb meaning he is between #12 and #18 best qb in the leauge. does that pretty much describe your rating of AS?
AlbertS:Albert !
I went back and looked and you were right. Danbunz really had no real valid points. I mixed him up with Alex3andoutSmith,who is just about as rude and a childish name caller like Danbunz, but does seem to make a few valid points in betwern the name calling.Nice catch there Albert
This year, we’ll see what JH thinks of Alex. The play calling will say a lot. If jH is 100% sold on Alex, then he should trust him 100% and let him rip – i.e put trust in his abilities.
Oldcoach:
If you are asking me (not sure),then in referring to Alex as “average”,I would mean less than good enough for me. I want a special QB, so yes, saying Alex is average is rather a put down. The word I usually use is mediocre.But Alex last year is the best he has ever been,although still mediocre in my book.I dont much care how you define terms,I simply desire a better qb,a much better qb than what Alex was in even 2011. If Alex can make a big jump in his abilities then GREAT, maybe then he can become the upgrade himself, thats fine with me . But Alex ladt year , to me, was average and mediocre and not a good enough QB for my liking. Sad to say .
I have to play Devils Advocate on a couple of issues here because they are being repeated so often, it’s as if they are fact which they aren’t.
1) Alex Smith has no other options so he has to sign in SF.
Complete BS I’m sorry. Whether you like him or loathe him, Alex Smith is a QB of a 14 win team, just coming into the prime of his career, in a FA market and draft devoid of quality QB’s. Let’s look at it this way: Ryan Fitzpatrick signed a big deal. Mark Sanchez just signed an extension and netiher one of them are as good as Alex Smith. Nevermind the fact that there are numerous teams including: Seattle, Arizona, Jacksonville, Minnesota, Tampa Bay, Kansas City, Cleveland, and Miami who have unsettled or shaky QB situations. The truth is, Alex Smith could find another team, but neither he nor the 49ers want that.
2) It’s expected that Kap takes over in a year or two. Bullsh*t. I like Kap, think he’s extremely talented and would love to see him fight for the starting job, but this expectation of him doing it is ridiculous. This kid ran a High School offense in College folks. He couldn’t have been further away from a pro offense if he had played in the Italian League. He was also a second round pick. If you aren’t a 1st round QB, then your expectations are not to start right away. They are to try and improve and get there before your rookie deal runs out. I guarantee you the Niners are not looking at Kap like he’s a slam dunk to take over in the next year or two. It’s why they wanted Smith back and it’s obvious that Kap was a project that needs time.
@rocket
About Point 1, I agree.
About point 2, I agree. With one added part.
Guys, don’t turn this into an AS camp vs. CK camp. Didn’t we learn from the JM vs. SY camp fighting between fans that both were completely stupid and wrong?!
I get the feeling that the blog is swinging towards the direction of “AS fan” vs. “CK fan”. DO NOT DO THIS. When in fact I am fans of both. And want both to succeed. I never liked the Joe vs Steve thing, and I won’t like this Alex vs. CK thing anymore.
P.S. You can replace CK with Tolzien or any future QB and my thoughts are the same.
Let’s look at it this way: Ryan Fitzpatrick signed a big deal. Mark Sanchez just signed an extension and netiher one of them are as good as Alex SmitH$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$4
Whats the glaring similarity’s???? They RESIGNED!!!!
As far as you thinking Alex Smith will be wanted as a franchise qb is ridiculous. I want what your smoking!
Would love to be a fly on the wall of the GM’s office @ the headquarters of any NFL team that is interested in Smith.
The conversation would go like this. GM to Owner : “Maybe we should look at Smith. We could get a bargain.”
Owner: ” What did he do last year?”
GM : Well he was one game from the Superbowl”
Owner: What were his stats again?
GM: “Hmmm. Dead last in yards, dead last in 3rd down percentage and…… hmm dead last in scoring.
I really didn’t know it was that bad. Let’s keep looking.” “I hear SF has a low ball offer out to him though. I’m friends with Condum, maybe we call him just to help him get the money he’s seeking. “
MD,
I didn’t say anthing about a Franchise QB, and it’s not what I think. It’s the reality of the league. Look at the QB situations of the teams I listed and tell me Alex Smith couldn’t get a contract to start for any of them. If you don’t think so, that is fine, but you’d be wrong. Your negative opinion of Smith is not shared by teams with worse situations, of which there are many.
Negeative opinion on Smith? No its just truth. He could start for those teams, but it doesnt mean he will. You would have to roll out EVERY Alex excuse thats been thought of over the years on here and add them to him again if he goes anywhere else. Stop Gap QB at best. He has NO leverage with the 49ers. Plain and simple. If he leaves its because of money. So you can take the “Stand up team guy” talk out. He hasnt signed because he has nowhere to go and is trying to stick it to the 49ers. Has he even had a visit yet? I havent heard anything about that. While Manning is on a National Tour. That tell you all you need to know!
If you already now what there going to say then why would you need to be a fly on the wall? It seems like you have everything figured out with Smith.
You said he wouldnt start last year, he did. You said he couldnt get the Niners to the playoffs, he did. You said he would benched by week 4, he started all 16. You said he couldnt lead a team from being behind, 6 comeback wins last year.
You said alot of things AS couldnt do and what happened Bay, you were wrong. Can you admit that?
Id love to be a fly in your house hearing you curse and scream everytime Alex has proved you wrong. Now tell me again how Im an angry alcoholic, I love that part clown!
FDM,
on top of being an angry alcoholic, you are a liar. You show me one post where I said any of those things….
I’ve basically said Smith is a decent guy, but he is a marginal QB. I hate that my team hasn’t moved on in a better direction at QB, but you show me where I wrote any of those things you liar.
If you can produce, I’ll put Alex’s avatar up under my name for one week….
If you can’t find it, then I’ll take payment of you shutting your pie hole for a week….
Bay,
I understand you’re trying to be funny, but you missed a few things that other teams would be looking at:
49 TD’s 27Ints the past 3 years
22 – 16 with poor Coaching until this past year
Was the QB of a 14 win team that had a new HC and no offseason of preparation
I can guarantee you these points would be considered much more than your passing yard stats.
If you can get a young QB with experience, who has shown an ability to persevere under extremely negative conditions and who has a playoff win under his belt, a lot of teams will jump at that.
It amazes me how close minded some of you are when looking at this guy. Have you looked at some of the starters around the league? Have you noticed how guys like Jake Delhomme had long careers as starters? Get past your biased opinion and look at it from another teams point of view. You’ll see a very different perspective.
MD, true. But for all of the questions relating to AS, same can be said of CK but even more so. What has he proved? Many here think he is the “stud” QB waiting in the wings as the savior. They’re *all in* on someone at QB they’ve never seen play more than a couple of downs. Hmm.
MD,
What your comments tell me is that you don’t know much about this.
Smith can’t take any visits until FA begins. Manning can because he was released.
If you don’t think Smith has leverage, then you haven’t been paying attention. Harbaugh wants him back desperately. It’s easy for people in here to cast him off like it’s no problem, but for the HC, he’d be losing a player he likes and trusts in return for question marks, and he does not want to go down that road.
Smith is not sticking it to the team either. His agent plays the game like every other agent does for every other player around the league. Smith and Harbaugh have stated over and over the fact they want to stay together. Today we here Alex is fine with the offer and will sign it soon. Doesn’t sound like anybody is sticking it to anybody to me.
*hear*
Great Rocket,
except the best QB’s in the land put up in one year scoring wise what Alex took 3 years to do.
There is more bad than good with this guy. It’s easy to do a checklist of pros versus cons on Alex ( Grant idea for your next article ) The cons outweigh the pros trust me.
@ Hofer, when CK gets his shot he deserves all the patience that Alex got. And no, CK should not get 7 or 8 years. We will know by year 3. and BTW, I knew by year three that Alex was mediocre….
Bay,
The teams I mentioned aren’t looking for “the best QB’s in the land.” They are looking for an upgrade on what they have and Smith would fit the bill in most of the situations I listed.
I also disagree with your more bad than good comment. If you focus on the past 3 years as I’ve advocated people do for obvious reasons, there’s a lot more good than bad.
Bay, you keep bringing up past history of poor ownership hires, inexperienced HCs, etc. Luckily for CK he has the QB guru as his mentor. Imagine how the blogs will light up if he fails with all of the infrastructure he has in place to succeed.
Okay Bayarea, time to put up the avatar, or just shut your mouth completely, I prefer the ladder.
On August 31, 2011 at 9:12 am bayareafanatic says:Don’t get me wrong, Alex has skills. Unfortunately not the skills to start and lead a team.
Well he started all 16 games on a playoff team and one win away from a superbowl!
September 29, 2011 at 8:43 am bayareafanatic says:Rib,
if Alex leads this team into the playoffs and they make a statement in the playoffs, I would be one of the first to say he deserves another shot. That is not an emotional decision, it’s a business decision.
So why all the Manning, Johnson, CK talk? I thought AS deserved another shot or are you a liar like you have been the past 5 years?
October 31, 2011 at 9:34 pm: Bayareafanatic says:
Don’t bring up peoples families in here punk. It’s as classless as it gets.
Did you not tell Prime he had no Dad and his mother worked 3 shifts at a dinner?
Point is your a hypcrite and its time to man up, like I said, your a fairweather fan, finding the new and latest BS in which to discredit the 49ers starting QB, you have an agenda and its time to admit to everyone, your a hater! I cant wait to see your new avatar for a week or just stay silent for the rest of eternity, either way, you will always be a hater
@FDM
What you have bay telling prime is one of the nicer things he has told prime. Nothing compered to his comment about his mom and dying.
Yeah Grant, Alex’s agent must be a one man office who doesnt have time for his clients ?lol
Seriously Rocket,you really believe there are teams out there who would see Alex as their Franchise starting QB if he were to come out tomorrow and say he was leaving the Niners ???I am sure he would probably get backup job offers or even get some stop gap starting offeres like he is getting from the Niners, who knows. But Alex Smith is not a Franchise type QB in this League. Maybe if he comes out this year and completely changes his game and blows up, then maybe. But if that happens we will have him under contract . Right now the Niners are his only real option .
Tim,
Read what I wrote. I said nothing about Smith being a Franchise QB. I said he would have other options if he didn’t resign with the Niners, and he would. It’s common sense when you look around the league and see the dearth of quality QB’s. He could start and be an improvement for any one of the teams I listed. He’s not a franchise QB, but he is experienced, is coming off of a very successful season with no time to completely learn the offense, and is a good character guy with no baggage. His stock around the league is higher than a lot people on here think.
That is 2 people now rocket who used the term franchise QB when you didn’t.
People read what they want to read. Even if it isn’t written.
Yep. Damn annoying too.
Why can’t BS, I mean DS mind it’s business instead of antagonizing when it isn’t even in the exchange?? That’s what I hate about it, BS the most.
It’s been a particularly dazzling display of a lack of reading comprehension by MD, today. Well done, MD. Not to mention that he didn’t realize that Smith CAN’T visit any other teams until tomorrow. Brush up on your knowledge, bro, then spout off.
How do those guys put it? BWAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!
I have to admit DS that Alex, playing and being held back by JH was probably better than a couple other poor QB’s in our division. But I fail to see how saying that one poor QB was possibly better than two other poor QB’s is saying anything all that good about Alex. Brussel sprouts are better than okra imho but I would rather pass on them both :)
@Tim
1. If you have the best QB in your division, you will likely win the division more often than not.
2. If you win the division, you will be in the playoffs and have at least 1 home game.
3. If you win just 3 (or4 if you don’t get the bye) games in a row in the playoffs, you win the Super Bowl.
It all starts with getting to the playoffs. I mean look at the Giants this year. Dallas flops, again in December. They get to play the Falcons who couldn’t beat a pee-wee team in the playoffs. Then they go to GB right after one of their coaches had a tragic loss and that team did not seem ready to play a game. Then they come to SF and get some stupid bounce and ref blowing the whistle too early to aid them in winning a game they should not have. Then they play NE and TB who pretty much threw the game away with some stupid Int, and once again a great WR catch in crunch time to help seal the game.
If you can get there (playoffs) anything can happen.
That is true regardless of your QB. AS, AR, TB, JM, anybody.
Something to think about if you call AS average anyway.
Add to that the notion that JH thinks AS is the guy, and I see no reason why he can’t be. The Niners did not lose because of their QB. Average or not. They lost the game because their WR’s can’t get open. Ray Ratto said that. I just happen to agree. So, guess where I want to really focus on upgrading? The QB? Or the WR?
DS:
I dont want Alex vs CK either. I just want what we have now as a starting QB vs beter. Much better I hope. If that better is CK or Tolzien or another QB we bring in (Johnson ?),or even a much improved Alex, I dont really care,as long as there is a significant upgrade at QB and any other roster spot that needs it.
@Tim
I don’t think any sane Niner fan will argue with that point of view
@Tim
Just for a second, put aside any feelings you have about AS one way or the other.
Look at the blog the last couple of weeks. And tell me my concern is without warrant.
I had a hunch at the start of the year that the blog environment was going to get worse. It did. So, I have been right about sensing the direction of the blog in the past Tim.
DS:
We did win our division and in the playoffs we would have overcome the fumbles etc if we had that upgrade at qb in that game. It cost us a SB win.So, we need a better Qb for when mediocre is not good enough . And the other teams in our division are seeking upgrades at QB and their rosters and coaching are improving and we have a more difficult schedule this year. We cant stand pat just because we won our division last year with a mediocre QB .
Tim if alex throws for approx 5oo more yards this seaon than last. throws for 5 or 6 more TD’s than last and throws for less than 10 ints while getting us to the playoffs again would his performance be satisfactory to you
DS:
I dont see the blog as having gotten worse. It has always been a bastion of name calling and personal attacks. zAnd most teams fans will start chanting for the backup qb when they are disatisfied with their starter,so yes,look for more chants for Kaep and even Tolzien .
Old Coach:
Possibly. I will have to see how he looks when playing. I dont like to use stats but like to use the eyeball test. I hope Alex can pass both tests but so far not really close.
ok i think the QB you want is the QB that harbaugh will expect AS to be this year. i think alex reaches those goals if he improves as much this year as he did last year. if he doesnt reach those goals i think we may see CK starting in 2013
Come on guys,we were doing so well there for a while without the name calling. :( Oh well, its almost tee off time for me,so have fun and enjoy the coversation ! Fore !