A “well-placed source” told the great Matt Maiocco that the 49ers have an offer on the table for Alex Smith and they have no interest in signing free agent Quarterback Peyton Manning, to which I say, slow down, 49ers.
That’s a lot you’re asking us to accept there. Let’s break that claim down bit by bit.
First, Alex Smith has an offer from the Niners. Good for him, but we don’t know what that offer is. Smith and his agent, Tom Condon, could see it as a low-ball offer. If they didn’t, Smith probably would have signed it already.
Until Smith actually signs the contract, the Niners must look at all Quarterback options, and signing Manning is the best one – don’t overthink it. He’s one of the greatest quarterbacks of all-time and he’d make the Niners instant and big-time favorites to win the Super Bowl in 2012, and probably 2013, too.
He’d demand to run his own offense, you say. Good. Let him. He’s a better offensive coordinator that Greg Roman, that’s clear. He’d make the Niners good on third down and in the red zone.
He’d make Michael Crabtree look good and Vernon Davis look great. He’d get Pierre Garçon to sign with him on the Niners for a relative bargain.
Manning would make the Niners offense good, as opposed to mediocre, as it is with Alex Smith.
The Niners should not settle for a mediocre offense. They should aspire for better. They should sign Peyton Manning.
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I used to be in love with Barbara Feldon who played Agent 99 on Get Smart. I thought she was so beautiful and would have loved to marry her (I was 11 at the time). I saw her in a movie not too long ago and she was an old lady. Memories of Peyton do not match today’s realities.
Great Analogy Ray,
I don’t believe Grant has been paying attention the last couple of years on Baalke’s Philosophy…..
He’s building a Young & Powerful Roster that will be competetive for the forseeable future, that goes directly against that Philosophy. If the 49ers signed Manning which I don’t believe they would do you would set back the Future 49ers QB (K-Gun, Tolzien) at least 2-3 years not to mention the Cap Hit to sign Manning.
Makes No Sense Period.
You guys are idiots, if you think Harbaugh and Baalke are happy with having the 29th ranked passing offense and our fg kicker breaking records you guys have down syndrome. Grant is right on, you guys are too slow to see the obvious or want to be alex smiths wife.
Tully,
The biggest reason the team shouldn’t go after Manning is the offense. It is set up for a mobile QB, which Manning is not.
At first I was like no way Manning is old and injured. But now that I’ve thought about it a little more it sounds like Grant may be on to something. Think about it, most of us here have let go of the fantasy that Alex can develop into an elite QB, thus what is he? He’s sorta a stop gap QB while CK develops. If we sign Peyton your talking at least 2-3 good years left in him. And who else would be a better mentor to CK than the great Peyton Manning.
Do I think it will happen…..hec no. Should it…..maybe. There’s no way we’re out-bidding Miami, Seattle, or ARZ. But hey its a thought.
@TullyBanta-Cain
Who’s the Idiot here?
First off who said anything about Jimbo & Baalke being happy about standing pat the 29th ranked passing offense? Where did you see that posted? This is where FA & the Draft comes in to improve that area Cave Man.
DUH!
When the QB is mediocre, you’ll have problems on offense. Manning will bring legitimacy to the QB position, something we’ve been missing since Garcia left the team.
If we want manning so bad, then we need to fire Harbaugh and find a Coach who runs the system that Manning runs. Lets just give up on all that was done last year, start from scratch and bet everything on the next couple of mediocre years that Manning can give to the 9ers.
@Ray P.
I think in no way shape or form will the the 49ers go after Manning. However, if he is medically cleared and did sign with we become instant favorites for the next two or three years. I remember in 1960 the 49ers traded an over the hill, bald, middle aged QB named Y.A. Tittle. He was 36 years old and was a throwaway . Well, he brought the then NY Giants to 3 Championship games and showed the East how the position was played. He was a master and I saw him play many times. Some QBs age like fine wine.
Please excuse my grammar in the second sentence, I’m watching the Knicks-Spurs game and lost focus.
No… just…. no. He’s old, would demand craploads of money, old, and doesn’t fit the offensive philosophy. Not to mention it would be a slap in the face to Smith, which could be seen negatively within the locker room.
Horrible idea. I’m appalled at your more recent posts, Grant.
It would not be seen negatively in the locker room. The players like Smith, but Ahmad Brooks just said on the radio the Niners should still look to upgrade the QB position. They want to win the Super Bowl, and Manning would give them a better chance in 2012 and 2013 than Smith would. Simple as that.
It’s not about Smith, it’s about the team, and Manning would make the team better.
agree Grant. the NFL, like some other arenas, aint about making friends, its about winning.
No, you are wrong, Grant (as is so often the case).
It is all about the team, and Manning would require changing the chemistry of the team, and that would be bad for the overall team.
Furthermore, the money the team would have to pay Manning would cause problems with the rest of the roster, thus further harming team chemistry.
Finally, Manning would revise any offense to suit him; Harbaugh is the 49er coach, not Manning. Manning’s presence on the team would undermine the team unity that Harbaugh has created here.
If we could get Manning without having to change anything else on the team, then I would say go for it. But that is not possible. Manning would cause too much disruption to a team that came a few plays from being in (and probably winning) the Super bowl.
If it ain’t broke, don’t fix it!
I agree longtime
The Niners looked to JH as the one holding all the cards. It worked to the tune of an amazing 13-3 season.
If PM were here, there would be a question as to who is running what. That formula has reared its head here before with Nolan and Sing especially. We all know what happened as a result.
Where do people get the idea that Peyton would demand to run his style of offense?
From what all of his ex HC’s and Coordinators are saying he’ll learn any offense put in front of him and run with it. He’s a team first kind of player. His talent level changes offenses because there is so much more they can do with him on the field.
What Peyton brings to the table is the uncanny ability to recognize defenses and change plays based on what he sees on the field. The audible options also come from the HC/OC, so it’s not like he’s just be making them up on the fly.
Peyton would bring flexibility and a whole new dimension for the QB position that we do not have today.
Yeah, he’s old and yeah he’s been hurt. But he’s still better than most every other QB playing today.
Well said 49ergirl and I agree.
There’s this notion that Manning will want to bring his offense with him and take over as a defacto OC, and I think it’s ridiculous. He’s not an idiot. He can learn a different offense and certain elements can be changed to something he’s more comfortable with. This is being made into a much bigger deal than it really would be.
signing manning would show the rest of the team that the niners expect a superbowl now. manning would not have missed a wide open delanie in the nfc championship game (granted he didn’t play last year).
Seriously.
Nobody talked about that play because DW was not wide open. Only the agenda fans here talked about it, and Cossel. Eric and Kevin didn’t write about it because it never happened.
Cohn we have been around a bit longer then you and have seen such things transpire. How old were you when T.O. and Jeff Garcia tore the Niner locker room to shreads. Give it a rest. Seriously. Harbaugh is a 2 year NFL coach and you think it is a good idea to now tell him he loses half his team to a player. REALLY ?
Scott just because you are older doesn’t make you more knowledgable.
Longtime49erfan You’ve got it all wrong. Manning isn’t all about the money, he’s at the point in his career were he wants a ring, and is more worried about getting there than getting big money.
I would HOPE dearly that Manning would change the offense to sui t him instead of Harbaugh, because Manning is the one on the field making the plays not Harbaugh. I hope he would change our current offense too, There is no way were are going to ride Franks back offensively like we did this year for much longer, and on top of that our passing offense was pitiful.
How would bringing in one of the greatest quarterbacks of all time undermine a team who wants to win a superbowl. If anything it would light a serious fire under them in and give a real belief that front offices believes that they can win a superbowl as well.
Not winning the Super Bowl means something WAS broken. Then what was broken? The defense? No, the Special teams? Besides two plays its arguably the best in the league. The Run offense? No, Passing Offense? Yes. I don’t know how people can blame the lack of passing offense and a lack of deep threat receivers, when you have the fastest TE ever to play the game on your offense. It was clearly an offense that played to Alex Smith’s strengths which is clearly, is not throwing the ball deep.
If you add a quarterback who can throw the ball deep and keep guys from stacking the box, there will be a domino effect. Passing yardage will go up along with long passes and Long TD’s, which will result in less red zone situations and more 7pt drives vs 3 pt drives. At the same time forcing teams to put less men in the box, allowing wider running lans for Frank. Teams won’t be able to blitz as often because if they do they will pay for it with the deep ball. Less blitzes means less sacks, which means more time in the pocket to pick a D.
All in all a deep threat QB is the only missing part of the Puzzle.
Ds… Dw was wide open. Everyone in the stadium saw it. And you don’t need jerry rice for that fact!
@ninermd
I could see it on the TV. Both AS and DW. And AS was getting sacked. That is why the defender stopped chasing DW.
Same “O” line, so I guess PM gets sacked about 60 times instead 44 like AS. One hit from the back and give PM a wheel chair. He is not and will not be the same. The “OLD” PM is that, old and injured.
well said Jo Show
>>It would not be seen negatively in the locker room.
After Harbaugh praised AS to the high heavens last season, and then dumps him. Oh no, no way would that not be seen negatively in the locker room. Geez, Grant. Think about it.
That’s highly questionable if Manning at this time could make the Team better. Jimbo likes his QB’s to be mobile & clearly Manning is not.
As a matter of fact 1 Lethal Pass Rush that Manning could not & will not escape and he maybe done for good. Time to move on to more important stuff like how to REALLY improve the Offense thru FA & the Draft.
49er Girl,
These are called Manningcuses. These clowns have 1000 reasons why Manning shouldnt come here.
1. He wants too much money? Most of you clowns want to GIVE Alex SMith 10 million for what?? Caddying for JH during the Pro AM last month? He damn sure hasnt earned a 10 million dollar contract. If he had, he’d ave other teams lining up to give it to him. Smith is a one year 5 million Dollar backup! Manning said he would be willing to sign an incentive laden contract. He wouldn’t cost the Niners more than 15 mil max! Bet on that. He has something to prove and he wants to win a super bowl. He’d probably take less money with the defense we have!
2. Manning would mess up team chemistry?? Didn’t you clowns seee his press conference today. He is a pro’s pro. He is a hall of famer. He is one of the smartest QB’s ever to play the game. He would welcome this team and the challenge. The team would love him because they love and want to win and they know he would give them the best chance. Brooks already told you clowns what he thinks about going after Manning. Do you clowns really not know that the defense knows why we didn’t win the super bowl last year? We need an upgrade at QB clowns. Our QB is limited.
3. Manning would want to run his own offense?? Manning would run any offense that any team asked him to run. He’s a team player and you clowns have no proof that he would want to control the offense by himself. Dungy said teams would be scared to play the Niners with Manning. Alex Smith gives opponents hope. He is the weakest link on this entire team. In the most important position. Period.
4. Manning might get hurt? Smith might get hurt too. His shoulders are fragile and all it takes is one hit on any QB. He might not get hurt. What about that?? The only thing that might get hurt is you Smithers feelings and Alex’s feelings as well.
5. Alex has a deal on the table. I said it last night. Apparently, Smith does not like the deal on the table or else he would sign it. Why the hell are we waiting for a mediocre 1 year wonder. 1 decent year because the head coach changed his diaper, burped him and kept a bottle in his mouth the whole year. He didn’t even appreceiate being spoiled like a baby from the head coach. He’s got the nerve not to be satisfied with the deal. Let him shop his tired azz somewhere else. He can come back and be a backup. Thats what he is anyway. 10 million for a backup. You gotta be kidding me!!!
Tired of the clowns with the Alexcuses and Manningcuses.
After Alex signs his contract I’m going to be laughing deliriously as I contemplate so many venomously unhappy people as they watch Alex lead their team for the next several seasons.
Jordo, we don’t need excuses, Manning or otherwise, for a thing that has a much chance of happening as you getting on the Harbaugh/Smith bandwagon.
I know your dream is going to die hard, but you can make up for it by rooting against 49ers/Harbaugh/Smith combo during the season.
Oh, and lose some money when the Manning team comes to town and gets destroyed.
@ribico:
I am afraid you are wasting your time. jordan doesn’t have the sack to engage in a meaningful discussion with anyone who is online. He’s only good for coming in, complimenting those comments that mirror his views and hurling insults at commenters hours after they made their comments.
I know Claude. But it’s like poking a stick at a caged animal, kinda fun in a way to watch it flail about. And I don’t have feel guilty about animal cruelty to do it.
Oops, did I admit to trolling there?
Some are saying that Peyton would alter the chemistry of the team. IMO he would turn the performance on the field radioactive. If the 49ers were moving into the new stadium in Santa Clara for the 2012 season I’d say there would have been a better than even shot that he would be signed.
Then go root for the Cowboys and the December Choke 23.
DS is BS,
I have the game on dvd. Ive looked at that play 20 times. The defender never stopped, Walker was open as soon as he cut upfield. Alex was not sacked you liar.
Peyton said he would be willing to play under an incentive laden contract before Irsay cut him, so where is all this “Caploads” of money talk coming from? Peyton is an upgrade if healthy or not. He may be immobile, but he would get rid of the ball quicker and throw recievers open which equals a much better 3rd down and red zone percentage. You also have to look at the knowledge that the back-ups can gain from working under him. That said, I would still sign Alex short term until Kap is ready… LOL
JJJ,
Well said!
@JJJ:
Ignore jordan. He doesn’t know what he is talking about.
where is all this “Caploads” of money talk coming from?
It comes from the fact that other teams (think Miami, Washington, and Seattle) are going to throw lots of non-incentive laden money at Manning.
Peyton is an upgrade if healthy or not.
Healthy, yes. At some point of diminished health, no. At this point, no one knows where he is on the health scale. And what if no one will know until June? July? August? September?
@Claude
“Ignore jordan. He doesn’t know what he is talking about. ”
You can be rather direct at times, can’t you?
@DS:
It’s one of my charms.
JJJ,
There were times that Smith was immediately met by a player from the opposing defense because the protection just wasn’t there. How well do you think Manning’s neck will hold up if he is on the receiving end of a night like the OL has in Baltimore.
If the OL was better at pass protection and Manning was a couple years younger, then I wouldn’t have a problem coming to the Niners. But the fact can’t be ignored that with the team’s inconsistent pass protection that a mobile QB fits this offense better.
Hahahaha You guys should be in a mental hospital!!! LOL If the niners signed Peyton Manning the locker room would have a new years eve kind of celebration! The whole offenses stock will go up, Crabtree will mysteriously start balling, everybody knows what’s up except for alex smiths groupies on here. Just have his baby and get it over with.
Alex smith has a cult following him. Its a bunch of nerds that got their lunch money taken everyday when they were in grade school. You should have stood up to the bully. Peyton Manning is the bully. He’d kick Smiths azz all day every day. With 4 neck surgeries!
Alex smith has a cult following him.
He sure does. You, TIM, nick and the rest should find someone else to stalk. He’s just not that into you.
>>Alex smith has a cult following him.
Can we help it if the coach of the year has his back? And then us following after that?
Flailing your hate in the direction of Harbaugh now, Jordo?
You chose Tully Banta-Cain for your identity on this blog. It’s obvious that anything you say won’t have any merit at all.
Please explain “our” offensive philosophy????
Punt…….
Kick a field goal…….
This is not an offensive philosophy that anyone should fit. What it is, is an offensive offense! Smith sucks, always has always will. Has only had 2, 300 yard passing games. Manning has had 64. Manning is a huge risk but who cares. Ever heard of Risk/Reward???
He would not fit this offense because he isn’t mobile. If you were talking about Drew Brees, then I would say sign him.
Midwest,
Who gives a damn about mobility when you are a savvy veteran that read defenses like God and has the quickest release in football. Running backs run with the football. If Manning is healty, he is the guy. You have got to stop denying this. He’s 4 times the QB Smith is.
So if the pass protection remains inconsistent and he is sacked like five times that would be ok because he isn’t a mobile QB? Get real 23. A QB with four neck surgeries is not someone you want behind an inconsistent OL.
Midwest,
manning has the quickest release in football. He’s not alex. That is your problem. Average alex is your problem.
Grant is sounding more like a fan and less like a sportswriter. I can get all Grant said from the 49ers messageboard.
YES: Niners must go after Manning. But it wont be easy, and its to some degree dangerous.
I have GREAT respect for Alex Smith as a man – he could have left after the crazy carousel of coaches here and looked for a place where he could start over, but he didnt – he stayed here, with a fanbase which wasnt fully sold on him. Whether that was just stubborn, cagey, or courageous, he has my deep respect. And his play in 2011 was better than prior years, no question about it. He’s still young enough, he could continue to improve. We almost got to the SB with him, and he might be good enough for us to get there in the next 1-3 years.
But let there be no doubt, Peyton Manning is a Hall of Fame talent, as long as he’s healthy. And therein lies the rub. Baalke and Harbaugh have to take this seriously, but i’m ok with whatever they decide – they’ve earned my trust with the amazing turnaround in 2011.
How they evaluate Peyton without alienating Alex is the key. Alex seems to value the respect he has from Harbaugh, and having a QB with his head screwed on straight is step #1 to winning a SB. But having a HOF talent would trump a lesser talent with his head screwed on straight. That is, if your goal is truly to win a SB first. If your goal is for the Niners to win a SB WITH ALEX SMITH, as i think many fans here may actually prefer, then that’s a different thing. And i dont completely knock that view, there’s something about having a home grown guy do it for you that’s particularly special. If he can do it for you. I’d like to see Alex win one for us, but I think we have better odds with Peyton. Imagine our studly defense with a good air attack.
Who CARES if they alienate Alex? Seven years and he still needs training wheels.
Bust incarnate. Loser. get rid of him.
Alex smith is an inaccurate cancer, maybe they can re-sign him to be peyton mannings personal assistant, go pick up peytons dry cleaning bum!
Said the one who chose a bad player for his name.
“But let there be no doubt, Peyton Manning is a Hall of Fame talent”
The ‘is’ should be ‘was’ in your statement. The present is not a given at age 36w/ health issues, especially on a team that’s had pass protection issues and no #1 receiver for 10 years now. I’m with Harbaugh because he’s proved he’s got a pretty decent plan on how to put together a very good NFL team along with Baalkes very solid start in helping him. Signing Manning seems more like a desperation move that Nolan or Singletary would’ve done.
“desperation move that Nolan and Singletary might make” – hmm, Nolan drafted Alex Smith, that was his move, and when that proved to be one of the great misses of all time, he’s now a coordinator-for-life, he’ll never get another shot at a head coaching job. as for Sing, Sing stuck with Alex for every year of his coaching tenure. those are the moves that Nolan and Sing made!!!!!
Niner61,
Like the move JH made to get us those 2 wide receivers when Ginn and Edwards went down. There should be a limit to the blue collar crap. You still need talent as well.
14-4 season after years of not even mediocrity and you’re complaining about the blue-collar motto on the team? Sad 23. Just plain sad.
@midwest
We drafted AS to get us into the playoffs and win games, and he has finally done that, and now our plan is to get rid of the guy?
Whatever. Some people here need to remind themselves what it has been like until this last season to be a Niner fan.
Makes sense, don’t it DS?
I hope Manning signs with AZ with all this hoopla and we beat the crap of them twice next year!!!
i hope he signs with seattle and exposes alice for who he is. and shows harbaugh what he deserves with 2 defeats in 2012 for being a damn fool!! alex is not a qb, he is a qb impersonator! period!!
There you go loyal fan, hoping we lose to an arch rival just to prove a point, good on ya loser!
How will he expose Alex? Does Alex play DB? Youre a tool.
And you call yourself a Niners fan Gary? Ok.
Well if I remember right, We played the Colts in ’09 at Indy. We held Manning to 0 td passes and 4 FG attempts until the 4th qtr when they needed a trick play- a half back pass from Addai to Wayne- to beat us. It moved the Colts to 7-0 and I think it was the first time Manning was sacked all year.
I’d venture to say that the 49ers are better now than we were then and I would also venture to say that Manning Seahawks or Cardinals would not be as good as that Colts team was. They passed on perfection that year and sat players. I really don’t think it would be a good career choice for Manning to sign with an NFC west team and have to play against the 9ers D twice a year. He did watch his brother take a beating.
I did say in another post that Manning was my favorite active QB. That he got me thru a decade of 49er bliss and as much as I would like to see him in a 49er uniform…thats not reality.
I remember in all of Bill Walsh’s greatness that he also had an ego. He liked to be credited for things. He brought the 49ers to greatness and he was upset cause he believed he wasn’t getting the due credit for that at that time. Was it JM or was it BW? and that ticked him off.
Well I think as much as JH likes to pass the credit elsewhere publicly, deep down it boils inside him too! If he brings the 49ers to a SB win in year 2 with AS, he’s gonna be credited for doing the impossible. He’s already credited with that just for last year. If he brings Manning in, Who’s gonna get the credit for a SB victory. Is it PM or JH? Exactly what Walsh went thru and sorry to say it but that ain’t happening. At least in my opinion!
Benny if you hope the niners have to play Arizona with Manning twice a year you are a moron. Peytons hall of fame, your boy alice smith is a loser bum.
You’re the loser, big time. Go root for the Raiders. You’re just an Alex Hater.
Tully….nah, too easy.
I am an Alex Hater. He is a bum, a bust. Last season was his ceiling and it took near-perfection from every other facet of the team to make up for the deficiencies that accompany him.
He is a cancer on the organization. Not in a Terrell Owens kind of way but in a way that leads to mediocrity more often than not.
No on in their right mind can expect the 49ers to get as many good bounces as they got last year. Every accomplishment outside the Saints game was in spite of Alex, not because of him.
The sooner the Niners remove this walking tumor, this lame excuse for a QB, the better.
I am not a Raider fan.
+ 1 Benny.
And when we win the division by 4 plus games, a lot of people here are going to look really… ummm… not so bright.
@ribico
How would that change anything? Those people said a lot of things that turned out to be wrong this past season. Those same people are on the blog right now.
If he signs with them, that wont happen. They would have a QB, we wouldnt!
Because our defense is so incapable of putting a hurt on the opposition’s offensive players.
Are you switching your hate to the defense now, jordo?
This according to the one whose famous line is “We are a QB away from a playoff win.”
-1 Stupid idea, be careful what you ask for! Fitz killed us last year with a scrub of a QB, imagine what he’d do with one of the top 5 QB’s ever.
Alex took more sacks than any other QB in the league. Peyton, while phenomenal at getting rid of the ball, is a statue, and wouldn’t last behind the pass protection of this line. I’m all for getting a HOF QB, but only if he has a chance of actually lasting the year.
I’d bet PM would take less sacks in 2012 behind the Niners o-line than Smith. Like you said, PM is phenomenal at getting rid of the ball. Smith is below-average. He holds it too long.
@Grant
“I’d bet PM would take less sacks in 2012 behind the Niners o-line than Smith.”
No doubt.
PM would get injured and not play anymore if he played behind our OL from last year.
So, in effect, PM would take fewer sacks. He would also play fewer games.
I dont even think some “fans” watch Niner football. Yeah the O-Line was bad in the beginning of the season & vs the Ravens, but they jelled & made major strides towards the end of the season and playoffs. Plus, Alex Smith holds on to the ball way too long sometimes… & not to mention, rather take a sack than to throw a pick.
“…rather take a sack than to throw a pick.”
As would I and JH and the defense.
We were good because we got TO,and we didn’t turn it over ourselves. Look no further than the playoff games.
Besides, this team should never consider a guy whose teams have stunk in the playoffs more than they were any good. If I were to replace AS, it would be with somebody who is a proven playoff winning QB. PM is a proven regular season machine, who enters the playoffs and breaks down.
But is he gonna do his famous turtle move and crumble to the ground before getting sacked?
@FDM
In PM last season, the Colts had lost 4 straight games. In one of the plays, PM flinched anticipating a hit because he had been crushed all game long and all season long really.
The WR was open in the endzone, and PM threw it in the dirt because he saw a pass rush that was not there and closed his eyes as he threw the ball anticipating a hit that did not come. PM panicked. Add on top of that this injury.
He’s done.
amen!!! couldnt have said it better myself. i trult dont understand why people think a well below average qb can win them a superbowl. we are one elite qb away from winning a superbowl, or one alex smith away from staying a dormant offense,
Grant wasn’t even born yet so he likely doesn’t even know who they are but, both the Chargers in 1973 and the Rams in 1977 acquired aged and broken sure-fire HOF QB’s whose team’s gave up on them. The Chargers got Johnny Unitas at the end of his illustrious career and got 5 games out of him, a 44.7 completion %, 94 ypg, 3TD and 7 Int’s. The Rams tried the great Joe Namath and he only gave them 4 games, a 46.7 completion %, 3TD and 5 Int’s. Those guys were going to “resurrect” their careers and lead the Chargers and Rams to the promised land. The Chargers & Ram’s fans praised those QB’s prospects just like Grant is doing for PM.
I’m not saying it isn’t possible but, after 14 years in the league and 2 fused vertebrae it is extremely unlikely that he has very much left – certainly not enough to gamble millions of dollars in cap space and the fortunes of a very promising football team.
Yeah and more than half of Alex sacks were 2.5 seconds or less. And who will run the offense. PM or JH??? You’re an idiot.
Grant,
These clowns are Alex Smith cultists. They would follow him off of a cliff. The guy Smith is a stiff. Time to sign that extension Smith before we make a move and you’re down there is Jacksonville stinking it up!
That would make you an anti-Smith cultist 23.
Pure… Your dead wrong. Pm is a master of getting rid of the ball. He’s a statue because he doesn’t get scatter brained like Alex and run or panic to early. Smiths protection was pretty good this year. Manning with this o-line would shred defenses… Especially with the west coast offense. Don’t have to have a super mobile qb to run it. Manning if here would take this team to the Super Bowl in year 1.
I don’t get where people think that the 49ers o-line pass protection was pretty good this year? If you have looked at Football Outsiders, Pro football focus, and Scout Inc., they don’t even consider our o-line average. Scout Inc at the beginning of the playoffs rated the 49ers line 12th out of all 12 playoff teams. The 49er’s line is solid run blocking, although when they needed a good surge on 3rd down or goal-line, stats said they were one of the worst. I think Manning will reduce the amount of sacks, but he will also take some sacks Smith was able to get out of because of his better athleticism as well.
I already stated he gets rid of the ball. Manning is not a statue simply because he is not ‘scatter brained’, but because he runs as fast as Rex Ryan and has the elusiveness to match. Smith’s protection was atrocious. He will always take sacks that are his fault, but that is no excuse to write off the situation. If you are pressured at the end of a 3 or 5 step drop before you can even step up that is a formula for failure for any QB.
“Especially with the west coast offense. Don’t have to have a super mobile qb to run it.”
No idea what to even say here, have you watched any of Bill Walsh’s offenses?
@ NinerMD – That is a pretty stupid comment for anyone to make about the WCO. Everytime Bill Walsh spoke of the WCO he emphasized that at the very heart of it stands a mobile QB with outstanding footwork. The best WCO QB’s the 49ers ever had were Montana, Young and Garcia, all mobile QB’s that could run. Others were Favre @ GB and McNabb @ Philadelphia. At Stanford, Harbaugh had Luck who moves and runs exceptionally well. Show me a comparable list of immobile QB’s that have excelled in that offense.
Peyton won a superbowl behind a line not even as close as good as the niners o line of last season. You guys need to go back to football school and let the men talk about football. Eli Manning saw alot more pressure than alex did in the nfc championship game but he balled, alex folded and played like trash. Hate to hurl insults but you people arguing a bust like smith over a hall of fame legend like manning are the most stupid people on the face of this earth. You should probably all off yourselves.
Someone telling others to off themselves sounds really intelligent to me… yup.
Threeandout,
I thought I told you awhile back to talk about something else other than your hate for Smith. You’re just too boring and predictable when you do so.
It would be looked upon in a negative way? I don’t think so. Bringing in Manning would command respect from the whole locker room. They wouldnt be bringing in some scrub to replace Smith, theyd be bringing in one of the greatest QBs of all time.
exactly!!!!!!!! 100% agree!!!
+1 my man. The smithers know it as well.
Kenny are you any relation to Benny?
Besides Warner, name the last QB over 35 to guide his new team to a Super Bowl during his tenure there. Everyone who hates Smith seems to think that getting Manning is the greatest elixir for this team. I recall the Chiefs and most recent the Jets thinking that same way. How’s that work out for those two?!
“He’d get Pierre Garçon to sign with him on the Niners for a relative bargain.”
I hope so. Because the Niners could not afford to hire him above minimum wage for what PM will be asking.
I somewhat agree with you, Grant, although I just don’t see it actually happening.
I don’t think the organization should just dismiss the idea. Getting Manning (even if only for a year or two) would make this team better. Alex has played well, but he’s not (and imo, will never be) in the same elite class as Manning.
I also don’t think they should pay Manning a king’s ransom. They should make him a reasonable offer and sell it based on the fact that this is a solid team with a great defense and is already SB caliber material. If Manning is looking for more rings rather than padding his bank account, then SF would be a great place for him to land.
I also see him traveling with Reggie Wayne, not Garcon (but only because thats the rumor flying all over ESPN radio…). With either guy and Manning as QB, our WR corps are automatically better than what they are today.
Thisis the first valid argument I have seen for picking up Manning. I disagree that Smith won’t be in the same class as Manning because no one knows what the future will hold, but other than that, I can say you have a good point. Especially since there isn’t any feeling of pure hate for Smith from what you’re saying. Great post 49erGirl.
someone is going to pay out the ying yang for this guy who’s career we’re all going to watch go under like the fusion in his neck. Please, do not make this move. We need to look toward the future.
well whatever the move, it needs to be moving far away from alex smith! period!!!!!!!
Na you’re an idiot. Peyton has said he will agree to an incentive laden contract and he will be playing with a chip on his shoulder, and he is a winner not a meek little loser bum like alice smith.
If I count how many times you use the word ‘bum’ do I get a prize threeandout?
The 49ers almost did make the superbowl with alex smith as qb. It’s not his fault they didn’t make it. Look at the two Tds he threw to Vernon. If the rest of the WRs knew how to get that open he would have thrown more and been in the big game. SF can win a SB with Alex Smith at QB
I made my thoughts about this subject known on the Free agency thread, but quite simply: I agree with Grant. We can go round and round about the positives and negatives, the money it would take and it has to make sense for cap purposes but if everything could be worked out in that regard and Manning was open to coming here, I think it would be foolish for the Niners not to do it.
Players want to win…period. They like Alex, think he’s a good guy, and they know they can win with him. What they don’t know is if they can win a SB with him. That’s where Peyton Manning has the obvious edge.
I really doubt it happens for many reasons: money, proximity for Manning, Harbaugh giving his word he’d bring Smith back etc, but this is a business and more succinctly, a business of winning, and if you have a shot to add a healthy Peyton Manning to a team on the cusp of winning a SB, I think you do it.
Peyton Manning releases the ball faster than any QB in the league. Majority of the play designs are quick routes. So regardless of protection he’ll get the ball out. I remember watching a game and the announcers saying you could almost not block the D line and he would still get rid of the ball before being sacked. THe Niners should at the bare minimum give Peyton a serious look. He is one of the greatest ever and is available, that almost never happens. With Peyton, assuming he’s 70-80% of the old Peyton he would still be a top 5 QB and make us a SB favorite . Wishful thinking yes but its an option and the Niners should look into it. Regardless i still believe in Smith, its just a matter of common sense, if a QB like that becomes available then unless you have Brees, Brady, Rodgers you should look into it.
Yeah.
PM had a lot of weapons in Indy. WR weapons who could make plays. How many times have we seen AS try the same thing, and have nobody to throw the ball too?
PM was spoiled with his cast in Indy. He comes here, he will remember the good ol’days. PM loses his cool too quickly. I’ve seen it happen a lot. That is why he is so bad in the playoffs. He needs to learn to cool down.
we will never know if we even have good recievers until a real qb throws the ball to them.
Peyton made his WR’s great, they did not spoil him. You are trying to put the cart before the horse with that one. Like the great Jim Mora always says “you think you know, but you really don’t know”
Peyton spent hours upon hours daily (during both the regular season and throughout the off season) working with each and every one of them to ensure they were always on the same page.
If the WR’s were really the reason Peyton was so successful, then they would have all played better in 2011 while he was injured.
@Gary
A 2 year old can catch a ball. Our WR’s would be challenged by them to catch the ball as frequently.
Thank you for stating what so many people are ignoring! Does anybody really think he’s going to be happy with this WR corps? Maybe if we upgrade a few pieces. You can’t make chicken salad out of chicken sh*t. There’s only so much that PM could do with these guys.
By the way, has anyone seen my paycheck??? Oh, and can I keep the red stapler?
The niners would still add WR’s. We only have 2 under contract. But i gaurantee you VD would be very appealing
Here Goes DS with the BS. You sound like a damned fool. So now we don’t want Manning because he has a bad temper! You idiot!
BWahahahahahah!
Clue to anybody wondering if what they write has some truth to it:
23J and his little band come knocking on your door and sound like fools trying to bash you.
Then you know you are onto something.
And the argument can be made that he made the WR’s who they are. All Peyton needs on a team is WR’s who will be in the right spots, and he will put the ball there. To say our team wouldn’t instantly be better by signing him is ridiculous. He is one of the greatest QB’s to ever play. Assuming he is healthy then he would be worth any amount of money he is asking. Alot of the reason he is as you say ” bad in playoffs” is because he has always been forced to put the whole team on his shoulders. Indy has never had a defense that complimented the offense. He would more than get that here.
+1
Alex Smith buckled at the end of the Giants game. Even before Williams fumbled, I knew we werent gonna win. The defense was keeping us in the game. He was throwing balls into the dirt just like his old self.
exactly!! but the defense kept us in the game all year. did alex blow out any teams with his awesome passing? no!!!!!!! not a single 300 yd game all season while guys like brees were throwing 300 by halftime. pathetic!!!!!!
A round of applause for the two greatest Niners fans ever. NOT!
No they shouldn’t. What happens if he can’t play? Whats the contingency plan, if they pay Peyton big dollars and his surgically repaired neck can’t hold up to the pressure, pun intended. The Niners can win now and don’t need uncertainty at the most important position.
Change the offense? Why? Why change the course that led to hosting the NFC championship game in year 1, without the benefit of giving the status quo a proper offseason first. Horrible take, knee jerk reaction, but it got you the desired reaction: blog hits of dozens of people telling you how wrong and deluded you are.
And believe you me you are wrong and you are most certainly deluded to think the 49ers coming off their best season should up and change their entire organizational structure (the team, the team, the team) for a 36 year old quarterback who was out of football last year with a 4 times operated broken neck.
Contingency plan is Colin Kaepernick.
Pretty gutsy contigency plan going with an unknown in CK with a team that is SB ready.
Isn’t CK the current contingency plan with AS as QB? Why would his status change with PM (or any other QB) joining the team?
It’s not gutsy, it’s reality.
Reality is Peyton has had 4 procedures on his neck in the past year and represents a huge injury risk.
Reality is that Peyton will be signed only after a bidding war raises his pricetag to a hefty sum.
Reality is that Peyton will never be 100% again, injury, age, system, et al. seeing to that fact.
A team on the outside looking in might look at the risk/reward and decide its worth the gamble. However a team that was a fair catch away from the Super Bowl would be foolish to put all of their eggs in such a shaky basket.
CK is probably 2-3 years away like Rodgers was behind Favre, that 4 years sitting behind him did wonders for his development.
If the 49ers go with Manning next year, he gets hurt lets say in week 4, do you think CK can lead this team to a Superbowl tittle, honestly from what you have seen of CK, is he really ready after 2 offseasons to be a starter? I say its better to let him sit another 1-2 full years and develop.
FDM – so are you guaranting that if Alex is the starting QB that he won’t get hurt and be unable to play in week 4?
49erGirl,
CK is not the contingency plan if Smith goes down. DS is ! Bwahahahahahaha!
In order to be signed and receive a contract he will need to pass a physical. He cant pass a physical he doesnt play he doesnt cost money. Plus i’m sure wherever he goes his contract will be incentives based.
well, nothings worse than resigning alex! thats a gurantee free ticket to watch the superbowl from your couch to root for a team that isnt the 49ers!
Can you focus on other things Gary? Smith was not the only reason the Niners didn’t make the Super Bowl. Get over your stupid hatefest.
Gary the Niners have a chance to make the superbowl with Alex. A small chance, but a chance. The defense has to be world class the whole time. They have to lead the league in turnovers. The running game has to be solid. The special teams has to consistently give us the ball in our opponents territory, and our field goal kicker has to set a team record for field goals. IF ALL OF THOSE THINGS HAPPEN, then our QB can be dead last in yards for a starter, TD’s for a starter, worst meaning dead last in 3rd down conversions for a starter and we can still make it to the superbowl or at least close to it.
See… we have a chance with Alex….
Wow Bay, you just repeat the same whine over and over and over again. Can’t you come up with some new material? Honestly.
Nice midwest, but listen to what Kurt Warner has to say….
http://www.nfl.com/videos/nfl-network-total-access/09000d5d82653eb0/Manning-to-the-49ers
Sorry Bay, but I can’t bring up the video on my phone. What does Warner say?
its important to understand that any arguement on this post is with grant not the 49ers or TB. Balke has made it crystal clear he is not signing PM. so before the name calling and personal attacks start. the anger and vitirol. the sophmoric attacks and questioning of personal hygiene. this is nothing but a exercise in menyal masturbation
@old coach
this is nothing but a exercise in mental masturbation
And page hits. Don’t forget about the page hits.
yeah you’re right but grant just seems to be pandering to the lowest common denominator lately. i dont see barrows or maiocco doing the same
Grant. I wonder if Balke knows that Payton has priced himself to high for the Niners? I wonder also what the price might be given that three years ago the Niners were trying to Kurt Warner away from Arizona?
To all those who think Alex Smith is the “answer” to Niner QB woes, realize this: WHAT ELSE IS HARBAUGH AND BALKE GOING TO SAY.
“WHAT ELSE IS HARBAUGH AND BALKE GOING TO SAY.”
YEAH
HARD TO ARGUE THAT THE GUY WHO LEAD THE TEAM TO THE 2ND BEST RECORD IN THE NFL AND NFC TITLE GAME SHOULD NOT BE SIGNED. TO NOT SIGN HIM WOULD BE STUPID, RIGHT?
>> WHAT ELSE IS HARBAUGH AND BALKE GOING TO SAY.
Look back to what JH said about Braylon before they cut him. That might give you a clue to what else they could say if that’s what their plan is.
BS,
The defense led us to a 13-3 record in the regular season. Also the special teams. The offense was horrible. Look at the stats, look at the QB clown!
It gets tiring mentioning the comebacks led by Smith this season, so I’ll just let you love in your delusion I HATE ALEX SMITH FOREVER world 23.
You’re making the assumption that Manning can still throw a football. I’d ask four questions:
#1 Can he still throw a football for distance and accuracy?
#2 When can we trot Manning in and have him do a workout to determine what he can do physically?
#3 How much will it cost us?
#4 How much cap space will have have left to sign one of the many free agents that need to be signed?
Lets say we sign Manning for 2 years at $20 million per year with some incentives and let Alex walk. Its blows up our salary cap and we duct tape together our remaining roster. Then training camp rolls around and come to find out Manning can’t throw the ball 30 yards. What do we do then? Or week 1 rolls around and around the 3 quarter a blitz rolls in and a guy blind sides Manning and cripples him for life. There is an enormous risk signing Manning and I would argue that quarterback isn’t our biggest need. I’d rather have us spend a ridiculous amount of money on a diva wide receiver than take a gamble at Manning.
Manning said he will sign an incentive laden contract.
First of all its not going to happen. Reasons, 1. the amount of money required wouldnt allow for upgrades at other positions. 2. you have CK and Tolzien in the wing. 3. what about Manning health. 4. finally have a team chemistry after ten years of crap, why would you want to mess with it. 5. Why would Manning want to come with weak receivers corps. 6. Manning isnt going to play in the NFC with any team. 7. Playing at the Stick for two years, come on man. 8. Possible clash of titans between Harbaugh and Manning. I repeat dont get your hopes up it isnt going to happen.
@undercenter
Good points.
Also, our division has some pretty good defenses. If PM comes here, or AZ, he will have to face 6 tough minded teams who are not going to cower away from him. Teams who can get a good pass rush without blitzing. And PM like many other great QB’s survives off of teams having to blitz him and then making him pay for it.
The defenses in the NFC West will not let him get away with it so easily.
Your right the defense in the west is much better. And if I remeber right a couple of years ago when we played the colts we almost beat them with our defense which was good but not great. I suspect Manning is going to the Dolphins, maybe the Jets, Chiefs, Broncos. Too me the Dolphins are the only team that makes sense.
To be a head coach in the NFL takes trmendous ego and JH already has one of the biggest (I also know students and coaches who know him from Stanford).
As much as I like your idea Grant I don’t see anyway it’s considered because JH turned AS around with no OTA’s, another new offense to learn, no training camp, and a shortened preseason.
He has to say to himself, “Imagine, what I will do when I have everything to work with.”
I would L-O-V-E for Manning to come aboard as an insurance policy back-up but being one of the GOAT takes its share of ego as well and he’ll never accept that.
Hopefully it’ll work out for us because if AS demonstrates that he’s reached his ceiling and we fall short again while PM turns some sorry team around that hindsight will be one big biotch!
Of course we all know in our hearts that we need an upgrade at QB for the team to actually become elite. But I doubt JH and Baalke will go the PM route. Alex can himself be somewhat of an upgrade thios season,since I expect him to be somewhat better in his 2nd year in the system than in the 1st. Then of course there is the much more talented Kaepernick,that should be taking over in a year or so anyway,and that will also be another upgrade.
If Manning were to come here we WOULD be THE favorite to win the SB in 2012,that is for sure ,but if we are patient we SHOULD have our pwn home grown stud QB for the next decade in Kep.
But of course there are no guarantees in any of these senarios. Alex could revert to his usual pathetic,PM could be a shadow of his former self,with a lingering neck problem,and Kaep could be a bust,although that seems unlikely.
Whatever happens in 2012,we are on the right path with Jed and Baalke and JH etc,the future looks bright !!!
But it would be great to upgrade at QB now,while we have the defense and ST’s that make this team special,so we could pick up an additional SB trophy or two (as we could have had last year,if we had a better QB)before the kid takes over and starts the new era.
…And I believe it would be unfair to Alex to go after PM,IF they also are putting an offer on the table for Alex ,and talking so sweetly to him and his agent about how they love him and he is our guy etc.
If PM were to be in the sights of the Niners,I believe Alex would want to go elsewhere to get started on a new team as soon as possible,so he could start to learn their system etc. Maybe that is one of the reasons Alex has not signed yet,because he wants to wait to be sure there is not a vet being brought in to upgrade the position and to start? I tend to believe that is one of the reasons and also that Alex is helping the team by not signing and letting them spend whatever $ the team needs to spend on FA’s ,and then Alex can structure his contract accordingly. He is after all a team guy !
Everyone but the Smithers want an upgrade at QB. The Smithers want Alex Smith even if that hurts the team. I’ll never understand their logic and love affair with Alex.
Would BW do this move? I think not! BW typically would let release players 1-2 years before their decline. BW knew that a dynasty isn’t built with a 36 year old QB pipe dream. The 9ers have a plan. They won’t deviate for a few fans that don’t understand business.
Hofer,
Plans change especially when better options present themselve. Peyton is a better option than Alex if (1) he’ll sign for the same amount of money as AS and (2) if he’s healthy.
Both of these have a good probability of being true. Peyton wants to win another Super Bowl (given that his little brother just won one and now has 2 rings to Peyton’s 1) and the Niners give him a better chance than the Jets, Redskins, Cardinals, Seahawks, and Dolphins. For this reason, he may sign with the Niners for a lot less than most people think.
Nick,
There are bigger needs on the team now and most likely in the future. Just thinking one guy can solve all of a teams’ woes is unsound judgment.
Yeah, long-time SF fan here, Niners first, then SF Giants…Signing Peyton is an AWFUL idea. Signing PM is a fantasy, like hooking up with the hottest girl in the bar, for some one-night loving. Maybe you score…dicey. And when you wake up in the morning, alone, empty wallet, hung over, you ask yourself (Talking Heads) “What have I done?”
Did you think of that one all by yourself? Really cute….. Now leave the football talk for grownups.
If PM is 80% of who he was, he is a huge upgrade and with our defense makes up instant SB favorites period. And the added bonus is that Alex and CK can sit and learn from a HOF QB. Alex has never had that opportunity and neither has CK. At this point poor CK thinks it’s ok on 3rd and 8 to throw for 2 yards and pray the check down route can break tackles and run 6 yards for a first.
Like I said before. This topic separates the true Niner fans from the Alex fans period….
PSL’s will sell like hot cakes. PM t-shirts and jerseys will almost pay for the salary alone.
And lets get real. Our offensive line is not the offensive line of old. It is gelling, it was much better the 2nd half of the season and PM has a ton more pocket presence than Alex. The sacks will come down by 15 at least….
This guy is not brittle either. He’s never missed a game in his NFL career I believe…
This guy is not brittle either. He’s never missed a game in his NFL career I believe…
You mean besides the entire 2011 season, which he missed because of his neck required 4 different surgeries.
Bay he just missed 16 games this past year.
“Like I said before. This topic separates the true Niner fans from the Alex fans period….”
I do like Alex but I would rather go with CK the Manning.
Claude,
shhhhhh. Knowledgeable football fans are trying to have a conversation. Claude go sit in a corner with DS and leave the football talk to Niner fans and not Alex first fans….
Do you really think Alex would stay in SF if the Niners signed PM? That would be the biggest slap in the face.
No way Alex stays after all the public support hes gotten from JH and management, your so dumb its not even funny anymore.
Undercenter, I want CK too. But I would love CK in two years after sitting and watching a master…
Thanks FDM,
and you are a sofa king….
@bay:
Knowledgeable football fans are trying to have a conversation.
Where? The ones who actually acknowledge that courting Manning is an incredibly complicated, obstacle-strewn undertaking with a speculative upside, but very real risks? I don’t see very many of them.
Oh, you mean people like you, the guy who is screaming, jumping up and down and panting like a 12 year old girl at a Jonas Brothers concert?
Yeah, you are displaying a ton of knowledge today. First, you compared Shaun Hill’s and Alex Smith’s performance in the “same” offensive system by pointing to Hill’s numbers in 2008 under Mike Martz even though Alex Smith did not play in 2008 and never played for Martz. And now, you dismiss concerns over Mannings’ health by saying that he’s never missed a game in his career even though he just missed an entire season due to a neck injury that required 4 surgeries.
You’re the ultimate font of knowledge; it’s like you are the Walter Cronkite of this blog.
Your welcome most annoying guy on the blog!
@ Claude, Bays the biggest knob ever, there were times you could talk football with him but lately hes just hate and outlandish comments with no rationale, I think its called PMS?
Claude,
the blog writer and I share the view of the benefits of Manning coming to this team. We both obviously view the shortcomings of our current QB.
If you differ from the view then why are you here? Is your life so sad that you hang out in a room picking through peoples posts, and arguing. What’s next Claude, you gonna start copying parts of Grants subjects and pasting them in italics so you can argue that you are smarter than he is ?
I have an idea. Go take a nap with DS. The two of you can spoon together and talk about how dumb us Niner fans are.
Now now FDM
“…I think its called PMS?”
That is an insult to all women. To relate them to whatever bay claims to be.
DS – Unless you own up to actually being one, you really don’t have the right to speak on behalf of women and what we might find offensive.
If you differ from the view then why are you here?
If your view of Alex Smith is so different from that Jim Harbaugh, then why are you follow the 49ers?
Is your life so sad that you hang out in a room picking through peoples posts, and arguing.
Not as sad as the life of the guy who bitches, moans, picks nits and whines about the QB of a team that went 13-3, went to the playoffs for the first time in 9 years, achieved a rousing playoff victory over a favored opponent (led by the QB), and came within a muffed punt of going to the Super Bowl, all in the first year of a new coach’s regime and without an off-season to thoroughly learn new offensive and defensive schemes.
C’mon, you have to admit that is really sad. Arrow up little buddy, arrow up.
* from that of Jim Harbaugh
*then why do you follow
If we sign Peyton, then Alex will no longer be on the roster and that does’t set well with the Smithers.
Bay,
Why is that offer for Smith on the table? Why has he not signed it ? Like to know your opinion. Mines is above at the top of the thread.
>>Why is that offer for Smith on the table? Why has he not signed it ?
To annoy the hater brigade for as long as possible and watch them froth at the mouth over the fantasy of signing PM is as good as answer as any.
@Grant, welcome to the dark side my son lol
Wow im really torn, in one hand we could get a HOF qb, but what would it tell the team, that the coaches and front office lied to the players about how important they are to the team. It would also tell the players that the team is commited to winning superbowls. So it can be a double edge sword. So if they keep Alex then they need to surround him with top notch Wr’s, at least one from free agency Mike Wallace sounds great. That would show that they are always commited to winning. With Manning no top Wr in free agency.
Erm, Peyton has been in ONE OFFENSE his entire career.
The 49ers offensive line has good and terrible games; you have to be mobile. Is Peyton mobile?
Who is he going to throw the ball to? Giants MVP Kyle Williams and 2nd stringer Michael Crabtree?
And Grant, I seem to remember us being a fumble away from a Super Bowl last season, with the mediocre Alex Smith. Not too shabby. I wonder what we can do with an actual offseason.
Phorty:
We were also one good QB away from overcoming the mistakes of Williams fumbles and winning another SB in 2011. If we had a better QB then the defense and ST’s (williams) would not need to be perfect to win those types of games. Great QB’s overcome those kind of things ands mediocre QB’s play mediocre and lose winable games like that Championship game was.
And the last time I looked,it took a QB to get the ball to the receivers to make them look good. All receivers look like 2nd stringers at times ,when the QB plays like a 2nd stringer.
I phully agree
Correction – QB has to be either mobile or have a quick release.
Peyton has one of the quickest releases….ever.
Quicker than 0.00001 second 49erGirl? Because at times that seemed to be how long Smith had to throw.
Alex Smith will be the Niners’ starting QB in 2012.
Thank you. And good night.
Let’s not forget that Wayne would likely follow Manning too. You would have Manning, Wayne, Garcon, Crabtree, Vernon Davis, and Gore. With their defense, you could argue they would be one of the greatest teams in the history of the NFL. Of course, this assumes Wayne and Garcon would follow and that Manning would be close to his old self…
Now you are talking…. If PM gives us a discount to bring those guys in…
@jeff
…and that the salary cap is infinite
One word: “backloaded”
Also, I want to make clear I see absolutely no way that the Niners would pursue Manning. I don’t think Roman and Harbaugh would hand the reins over to a QB like Manning would demand. And obviously the salary cap would make things very difficult to pull off anything close.
This shouldn’t be an “Alex sucks so we need Manning” argument. What it is, is an opportunity for a team on the cusp to add one of the best QB’s in NFL history. That is not a knock on Alex at all. It’s a situation where a number of things have happened and the stars have aligned to present the Niners an option that I’m sure they didn’t even consider.
The only point I’m personally trying to make is, if Manning is given a clean bill of health – which he already has been given by the surgeon who worked on him – and he is looking to go to a team ready to win a championship instead of trying to get a bigger pay day, then the Niners really have to look hard at trying to pull it off.
Great comment. Thanks, Rocket.
Hey Grant,
Tony Dungy agrees with you too…
http://www.nfl.com/news/story/09000d5d82770d65/article/dungy-manning-would-land-on-his-feet-with-49ers?module=HP11_headline_stack
My favorite quote from that article,
“I can’t speak for Peyton. There’s a number of teams out there,” Dungy said. “San Francisco, I look at what they did and whether they’ve made that commitment to Alex Smith yet, I don’t know. I don’t know where they stand, but that’s a team that’s got great defense, it has some young receivers, a very good tight end and a good back, that, you put Peyton Manning in that offense and people are going to be scared to play them.”
Love the last sentence…
Now if only Dungy and Manning ever talked about this kind of thing……oh wait…they do :-)
My pleasure Grant. What’s that old saying “even a blind squirrel can find a nut once in awhile.”
Rocket,
Damn straight!
it shouldnt be a argument at all balke says its not happening
Baalke said they’re not talking about Manning “internally right now.” That’s different than saying it’s not happening.
@old coach
This blog will make an argument over the color of the sky.
If they’re not talking about it “internally right now,” then maybe they’re just waiting for Alex to reject their lowball offer so they can say “we tried to resign him”. Then, internally, will start putting a little more effort into investigating the possibility of Manning wearing red and gold.
I still don’t see it happening, but it’s fun to speculate.
If I were Peyton Manning, I’d much rather sign with the Niners than the Dolphins or the Redskins.
Totally agree with you there – have a feeling Manning’s preferences are with up to three teams and he would be willing to work for less to sign with them.
If the Niners really are on his short list and Peyton reaches out to them, the FO would have to be completely obtuse to not give it some serious thought.
Grant, you would rather have Crabtree over Marshall? Plus how do you think Manning would gel with Harbaugh. It would potentially be a clash of two head-strong personalities.
Vernon Davis over Marshall. Plus that elite defense.
He wouldn’t be behind our defensive line Grant. He would be behind an offensive line made for a mobile QB. Unless he has Luck’s mobility, I just don’t see Manning being able to accomplish what he did without an offensive line like he had in Indianapolis.
On the surface it sounds enticing…but, when you look deeper, it loses its attraction. At this point in their relative careers, Alex has considerably more upside than Peyton. Baalke’s charter is to upgrade RG, get some better receivers, get a top RB, augment the secondary as required and insure there’s good depth throughout the roster. Signing Manning could undo all or most of that…and wouldn’t be prudent. So, I join many other posters in saying, thanks, but no thanks.
You should have said “we hope” Alex has more upside than Peyton. In reality PM at 80% plays better than anything even the most optimistic fans hope Alex ever gets to. And who knows,we may have seen the best of Alex last season. I personally think Alex will get better in 2012,but not very much better,since he just doesn’t seem to have what it takes in his bag of tricks to be a playmaker. Alex imho is a very good backup quality QB in the NFL. That is not a bad thing at all,unless you have unrealistic expectations because he was drafted so high. He is who he is,and we can win games with him,if the defense and ST’s carry the team on their shoulders.
You just drew a line in the sand. Any Niner fan can see this. Unless you are a #11 fan first.
What is happening right now is that stars are aligning for us right in front of our eyes. It’s something called opportunity.
Arizona did it with Warner, we are poised to do the same thing only we would be an even better team than AZ was with Warner. The one thing that Harbaugh will do better than Arizona did in their situation would be to have his backup QB’s ready to take over when Manning retired. AZ didn’t have a very good transition plan….
Bay, KWarner was healthier and younger than PM is now so not a good comparison. Again selective incorrect data that you use. It’s not about AS, it is about team and organization – you are supposedly an astute businessman correct?? Well then you should understand business plans and how to be successful for the long term.
Hofer,
Smith is not in the Niners long term plan. That is why that offer is still on the table. Why has alex not signed it??
Jordo, you are an interesting dude. You are agenda addicted! AS will sign and JH will make a name for himself mentoring AS and making him a pro bowl QB!
Hofer, what will you say IF Smith does not sign the offer, and the 49ers move on like they did last year with Spikes, etc?
YeE! do it!! haaha
Love the idea, but it won’t happen. I have a sneaking suspicion that Harbaugh will do whatever it takes to nix any possibility of it happening. Harbaugh is to much of a hands-on type (QB guru), who needs a challenge in order to work his magic. Could anyone really see Harbaugh pounding PM’ shoulder pads before a game? Ain’t happenin.’
As much as I love the notion of Manning in a 49er uni, Manning at this stage in his career (even if he still can play), is not likely to be pliable enough release the QB reigns over to an OC. I believe the Harbaugh system (which is firmly established) can deliver a Superbowl in time and unfortunately, even a healthy Manning might hurt those efforts.
I don’t think Manning is the kind of guy that needs his shoulder pads pounded before the game. He is as confident and motivated as they come. He doesn’t need to be propped up. I don’t think Manning would be the right decision long term, but people are getting carried away with the reasons why he wouldn’t work out here. He is one of the best QB’s of all time.
Man, there is some serious Madden-fueled, uninformed, speculative, impulsive wishful thinking going on here. The fanboys have come out of the woodwork. Please let me know when the rational portion of the discussion starts.
Good job Grant. This thread will get to 1000 comments easily. You can take the rest of the week off; the page hits will take care of themselves.
I never played Madden . But you must realize that every time a possibility comes up,even if it is a slim possibility like this,that the discussion will turn to QB upgrade.It’s only natural ,since QB has been one of the weaki links on the team for many years now . It’s not fantasy football or Madden.it’s just fans wanting a better QB that can take the team on his shoulders when the defense and ST’s faulter. That guy is not Alex.
That guy is not Alex.
So you say.
But then again, you said that Nate Davis was a future superstar. In fact, you screamed it. Your QB-evaluation credibility score is less than zero.
I never said Nate Davis was a Superstar,stop telling lies,it makes you look bad,not me !
All I ever said was that Nate Davis was much more naturally talented than Alex and that I liike Davis when he was in college and was pleased we drafted him. But Davis had a learning disability and couldn’t make it in the complicated NFL,not to mention what some thought was a lazy attitude.
But Davis was a 5th round draft pick that had potential. Kaep is a qB that JH loved and loves that he personally went to scout and that he and Baalke traded UP to get in the early 2nd round . HUGE difference my friend !
@TIM:
Don’t make me go find your old posts on the other 49er blogs/websites. I’ll bring back a 5 page fully-italicized comment listing all of your hysterical postings about the great Nate Davis.
Or maybe I should find ftgambit and a few of the other commenters on Matt barrows’ blog, and ask them to drop by to discuss your irrational excessive affinity for Davis.
People here think oneniner is over the top? Wait until they get a load of you.
…And Claude:
When I spoke of Davis as I always do now when I speak of Kaep,I always said that there are no guarantees in the NFL,the QB or any player,has to prove they can bring the talents they showed in college into the NFL and be great,before anyone should say they have it made.
That also goes for PM or Alex and of course for Kaep and Tolzien. Alex shoed he is not going to ever be a great QB,imho. He looked like he might be when he came out of college,but like Kaep or Davis etc,he has to prove it on the NFL field. But here and on other sites,we often go by “potential” . Kaep has it in abundance,while alex seems to have shown he does not. Alex has risen to being an adequate NFL talent and has not come near his potential we THOUYGHT he might have, Davis flopped and had the physical tools galore but not what it took to bring those talents into the NFL game. The future will tell about Kaep and Tolzien.
PM has proven himself and if he is 80% of what he was then he is much ,much better than the best we have ever seen from Alex . But it is just all talk,JH and Baalke will not want to bring in PM.
…And Claude:
Why don’t you try to stick to talking about football instead of irrationally attacking other fans like me (and others). ? Does it make you feel good to attack other fans from your keyboard ? Why not show some class and just tell your opinion ,like I do.isn’t that what these sites are for. (For some they are a venue to release their pent up hostilities I guess,lol ).
Everything I ever said about Davis I stand behind and if not taken out of context is still my opinion now. The FACT that I often added in my posts that there are no guarantees that Davis will make use of his great physical talents in the NFL and he must prove it on the field,puts all my praise of him in context. If you or other choose to not take my praise of Davis in that context,then that is YOUR problem.
Just like i now say that Kaep is a much more talented QB than alex imho does not mean that if Kaep flops like Davis did (and Alex has),that I will not admit that fact. After all I was a huge Alex fan and wanted us to draft him over Rodgers,but when he showed he was not very good I faced that fact and changed my opinion. Just like I will do if Kaep comes in and flops.But I at least hope Kaep gets his chance,like Alex has received 7 years of chance after chance after chance,no matter how pathetic he played.
…And one more thing Claude:
I always said ,over and over again,that I wished they could take Alex Smit’s smarts and work ethic and transplant them into Davis. Then(I said) we would have a true Franchise QB . Sounds like if you read all my stuff in context you would not have misunderstood me so badly ? Unless you choose to misunderstand,just so you can go on the attack top defend the one player you love,Alex. Well,I also likie alex,I just know he is not as good a QB as I hope for my team to have. That makes me a fan who wants my team to be the best it can be,no matter if I have to admit my pet player could be upgraded to make the TEAM better .
@Tim
If you think Claude does that, then you really need to call the Seal 6 Team that got Osama for stuff that bay and jordan and the like have written to those such as myself.
Claude has never written anything near as damaging as they have. Nor has he done so with the ease at which they do it.
@TIM:
Why not show some class and just tell your opinion ,like I do.isn’t that what these sites are for.
No, TIM, I don’t think these sites are for the repetitive posting of the same predictable unchanging one opinion that you insist on posting over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over, not only on this blog, but on 3 or 4 others. Your trumpet only blows one note. Give it a rest.
And you make it worst by writing like Richard Simmons speaks. I swear to God, every time I read one of your comments, I hear Richard Simmons speaking the words. Mere words cannot convey how annoying that is.
*make it worse
Too many mistakes. Time for a break.
The two main arguments are $$$ and his health. Well a team will NOT sign him if he is unable to pass a physical. So basically if he is deemed not healthy then he will not find a job anywhere. And the money situations isn’t as big as everyone thinks. Coming off of being injured for a full year and being realeased he wont be making the 20 mil a year he is accustom to. It will probably be more around 14-17 million. So they money isn’t a real issue
the two main arguments are….balke says its not happening and balke says its not happening
We’re talking hypothetical situations. I know its 99% were not signing him but nonetheless its a fun idea to entertain
And JH repeatedly saying “AS is our guy.”
@Adam707
How is spending o4-17 million (your numbers) in an area which was not our weakest link and in the most need fun or necessary?
At least my fantasy was getting LF over here. He would make our weak link the strongest chain. PM coming over here will not solve our WR problems at all. You are dreaming about a 80″ LED TV when you are stranded on an island and what you really need is good cell phone reception.
I don’t get the line of thinking that PM gets us a Super Bowl. He’s only won 1 time, and he’s had plenty of chances.
*14-17. Well we got to the NFC Championship with the offense we have, so to add a healthy Peyton Manning to it how would that not put us in the super bowl? We have all but one starter returning on defense (assuming we don’t resign Rogers, and in the hypothetical world we sign Peyton, we wouldnt). Even if we were to add no WR’s to our roster via FA our offense would still have improved by simply having Manning as our QB. I’m not saying Alex is incapable of taking us to a SB, i just believe PM (IF HEALTHY) would instantly make us a better team. And i know you claim he sucks in the playoffs but the fact is hes never had a solid defense to rely on, and besides Wayne and Harrison not much talent as receivers. Plus we would still have cap room to sign a mid tier WR if needed.
DS, The difference between your LF fixation and the Manning deal is that you can get Manning without having to get another team to trade him . All you have to do is be willing to pay him.
Arizona would NEVER trade LF to a team within its own division, especially the team it is trying to catch.
Adam,
pure and simple, this signing would change us from a team that hung on to leads and win, to a team that destroyed teams.
The only ones that would hate this move even if it improved the Niners would be Hofer, DS, Prime, Claude, FDM, old coach, gross and David Akers…
“and David Akers” LOL !!! Classic BA !!! Very funny,but also very true !
@Jack
The difference from where I see it is that the whole team will have to change their identity if PM comes in here, and with the bargain price of $14-17 million, we sure won’t get any guarantee great WR’s afterwards, unless we draft one, but that can happen with or without LF or PM.
PM will have to come in here and play second fiddle to the HC. He has not done that. I don’t think he would want to either. After all, if you have a choce between 2 companies, and one company tells you that you will get paid less than what you will get at the other one, and that you can’t do what you have always done and freelance vs the one that will let you freelance and pays a lot more, which one will you choose?
It’s a no brainer. Besides, like I pointed out earlier. The NFC West is going to have some great defenses. Ones that will crush a QB. Especially one who was never mobile and with several neck/spinal cord surgeries. So PM would be risking serious injury if he came to us or AZ. Look at the defenses he would face if he went to Miami. Which defense there (other than Miami which of course he would not play against) is anywhere near as tough as the NFC West defenses? With the exception of Miami, they all stink.
Bay…you forgot….oneniner. he…would….probably….jump off a bridge…
:-)
And I have to stick up for Hof – he’s a fan for life regardless of our QB.
@Adam 707
“Well we got to the NFC Championship with the offense we have, so to add a healthy Peyton Manning to it how would that not put us in the super bowl?”
Because PM has a very poor performance record in the playoffs year in and year out. And if you are going to bet on it, the chances that PM would have a great playoffs within the next 2 years is minimal.
This is not at all like the JM situation Adam. JM was great in the playoffs. The Chiefs built an entire team around Joe as well. PM sucks in the playoffs. There is a reason why JM is called the best QB ever, and a reason why PM is called the best regular season QB ever. The difference is how they perform in the playoffs. JM was as good as there ever was. PM is almost the polar opposite.
This Niner team needs a QB who is going to be “money” in the playoffs. How is getting the biggest playoff chocking QB in history going to get us into the Super Bowl? It took PM something like 3 or 4 years of making the playoffs to win his first playoff game. Playoff football requires something that PM certainly has lacked for much of his career. And I doubt he finds it now.
@bay:
You do not read very well. I don’t argue so much for Alex Smith as I argue against your wrong-headed, ill-conceived, biased arguments against him.
I have no problem with the team bringing in Manning if he is healthy. If Manning is healthy, the 49ers no doubt would be a juggernaut.
But that is a huge if. So, all this talk about the 49ers dominating, winning 3 Super Bowls, going undefeated (has anyone suggested that one?) is nothing more than pointless speculation at this time.
And it is an if that should be resolved prior to any serious consideration of the idea. Unfortunately, I don’t think it can be resolved that quickly. I suspect it will be months before anyone knows whether Manning can return to form or anything close to form.
If Manning can’t come back and play anywhere close to his prior level, the downside to the 49ers is substantial. The money that goes to Manning initially won’t be going to the free agents that we would re-sign or pursue if we don’t sign Manning, so all the holes that Manning was supposed to mask will be unmasked. The disruption of continuity that Manning’s talents were going to overcome? It”ll be there, in full force.
With the pursuit of Manning, Alex Smith likely will depart, leaving who, as the starting QB, Kaepernick? I know you think the guy is a beast, but he didn’t exactly light up Division 1-A opponents in college. He’s a project, and the likelihood that he will be ready to start this year is low. Plus, the whole idea with Kaepernick was to let him learn for 2-3 years before throwing him out there. So, now you have risked screwing up his development.
We know that the team as currently constructed is already a serious competitor for the Super Bowl. In its first year under Harbaugh, with no off-season, the 49ers knocked loudly on the door. With a second season in the the team’s offensive and defensive schemes (and a first offseason), this young team is highly likely to improve and has a real chance to kick that door down. Baalke is more than competent; he should be able to fill in some of the missing pieces through free agency and the draft. Harbaugh is a proven winner, and the players believe in him and his system. The team is close, and the arrow is up.
So yes, I have some real hesitation about throwing all of that away to pursue something that is far from a sure thing. It has little to do with Alex Smith and everything to do with the team.
And, finally, if the team goes after Manning, they had better be certain they will land him. Manning and Alex Smith share an agent. That’s a bigger impediment to signing Manning than you think. But, never mind that or the conflict of interest it creates. The point is that there is no way the 49ers start talking with Manning without Alex Smith knowing about it. As soon as he finds out about that, there is a good chance he is gone. If you don’t land Manning, you are back to playing Kaepernick prematurely, getting into the Matt Flynn sweepstakes or bringing in some journeyman. None of those options is exactly a step forward for the team.
Speculative benefits plus real risks is a gamble that I would be very careful about taking. The team is so close now. Why risk fncking up a great thing?
Claude,
That was a good post.
@bay:
Thank you for saying that. You didn’t have to.
As appealing as the idea of Peyton Manning is, I don’t think it is the no-brainer that some have made it out to be. The 49ers need to tread carefully here. Anyway, that’s what I concluded after thinking about it this weekend.
What scares me is that Ratto wrote something similar. That almost guarantees I will have second thoughts.
“What scares me is that Ratto wrote something similar. That almost guarantees I will have second thoughts.”
OK, that made me chuckle! When you find yourself agreeing with Ratto it really might be time to re-evaluate :-)
Well said Claude Ratto-esque or not.
Claude,
Your 1: 49 P.M. post sums up exactly how I feel.
@ adam 707
Def. Payton jus wants to play money aint the issue.. he wants a ring.
@old coach.
thats a fact.
but again.. obv balke gunna lie to media.. he has a offer out for smith..
DS your discredit of Mannings playoff play is a little ridiculous. Alot of his failures is because he was the ONLY player on the team. One player can only take a team so far. Alot of those teams squeked into the playoffs. Are seriously implying that Alex is a better playoff QB with a 2 game sample. You cant claim Alex to be a good or great playoff QB until he gets more games under his belt. With your reasoning that would Brees is also a bad playoff QB. Hell he didnt even make the playoffs 2 of his 1st 3 seasons with the Saints and has lost 2 of his last three playoff games. But the fact of the matter is they are both SUPERBOWL WINNERS. That alone erases the whole claim of Manning “sucking” in the playoffs.
>> Are seriously implying that Alex is a better playoff QB with a 2 game sample.
When AS has the sample size that PM has, we’ll let you know. As of right now, both are .500
Sorry Adam707
PM was not the only good player on any team he went to the playoffs with.
Quick list of good/great players who were/are on PM’s team going to the playoffs off the top of my head:
Harrison
Faulk (I believe he was there with PM)
Dwight Freeney
Reggie Wayne
Robert Mathis
Jeff Saturday
Adam Vinatieri
Pierre Garcon
Dallas Clark
And most of those players are the ones who are currently on the team. Not counting all the other good players who came and went to help PM. I bet there have been quite a few over the years. If I were a Colt fan, I could name a lot.
Also, you might want to check out how much the Colts are paying a few of these guys. If PM is the only good player, then the Colts are REALLY stupid paying these guys the salaries that they are getting
http://www.spotrac.com/nfl/indianapolis-colts/
Please check back in with me when you see who plays DE on the Colts and what happened in the last Super Bowl PM played after one of them couldn’t play much if any of the second half.
“Alot of his failures is because he was the ONLY player on the team.”- That quote was a statement made about his 1 couple of years. Not recent years. But you describe Wayne, Freeny, Mathis, Garcon, Clark, Saturday as being good/great players. Well they were ALL on the team last year and got 2 wins. Clearly PM is way more valuable than you are giving him credit for.
I would disagree about Indianapolis “sneaking” into the playoffs since they have been division winners for most of the past 10 years. I would like to see the 49ers kick the tires on Peyton, but even DS has a point in Manning’s playoff performance. It is not up to par compared to his regular season performances, especially a 9-10 record. Even since college, he’s never been great in postseason games. If they get Peyton, he should be better than Smith, but he’s not quite Warner or Rodgers who are even more spectacular in their play compared to the regular season.
@Adam707
“Well they were ALL on the team last year and got 2 wins.”
True. Which is why I say not to sign any Indy FA’s. They showed no heart, and they did not look like they wanted to play football.
And, a big reason why they only got 2 wins is because of the system they employ. PM was the system! When he went down, the HC, nor the OC could help the new guy out at all. It is a system with an inherent flaw. If PM learned the system from an OC, and PM went down, the new guy can learn the system. You can’t learn a system nearly so easily if the system is a person. And in Indy, it is.
Those are good players Adam. They went to a lot of Pro Bowls. But, they did not lead the team when PM went down as they should have. Eric Davis said it himself. Those guys need to step up, and they didn’t.
And those other players were responsible for helping the new kid out a lot more. What I did see of them was a lot of lazy bums not going over to him on the sidelines talking with him. That poor kid was not going to win.
It’s not a matter or hurting Alex Smith’s feelings. It’s a matter of Harbaugh’s ability to be the coach. Haven given his word publicly and privately- That 13-3 comes from a team that knows Harbaugh is part of them, and can be trusted — Harbaugh’s word — the confidence the team has in “If he says it’s so, it’s so” — so if he then turns around and chases after the first hottie to come down the pike, makes him Newt Gingrich.
Peyton Manning, Bret Favre — we remember how great they WERE. And it doesn’t even matter if manning is the one in a million who comes back full power from spinal fusion. It will destroy the trust the team has (“Just go out and do it this way — trust me.” And they did. And it worked) if he betrays his promise to Alex.
It’s ok if it takes 2 more years or 3 to reach the Super Bowl.
Absolutely right, Josh. JH would lose this team, they’d never trust a word that came from his mouth ever again.
Grant, have you ever played organized Football? Do you even play video game football?
Too many neophyte fans (and media analysts) believe football is like baseball where you can just plug and play players into teams. In baseball, hitting for one team is fairly similar to hitting for another team. Pitching is pitching etc… Football is a TEAM sport. It requires all of the players to be on the same page.
So in the case of Peyton Manning and the Offense, Manning will want to run HIS offense. Nevermind that the rest of the team hasn’t run anything similar to it. Nor is it important the the skills and attributes of the team are not built around the passing attack. You think a team that heavily used Jumbo Goaline run formations is a PASSING TEAM? And while a significant amount of the sacks Smith took can be attributed to him being slow to read coverage and make decisions, the greater amount of the blame goes to the Offensive Line for just letting pass rushers get by them (Smith is actually statistically pretty good against the blitz which means 4 man rushes got by the 5 pass blockers for sacks often times). Mike Iupati and Anthony Davis were drafted to be ROAD GRADERS and not pass blockers they aren’t going to magically turn into Pro Bowl Pass Protectors…which isn’t a good thing for a guy with neck problems. Roman/Harbaugh’s passing game is designed to feed off of a power rushing attack…you know the kind of thing the O-line was built for. Certain runs set up certain kinds of passes. Plays build on each other. Or we could just chuck it all out the window and go with the square hole and round peg theory and tell the receivers that despite the fact that opponents focused on the run game that they still couldn’t get open most of the time, that now opponents will focus on the passing game (HELLO MORE PASSS RUSH) and the receivers must run downfield more and definitely get open. But hey, this is plug and play fantasy football. Just plug Manning in and make everyone else learn and execute a new offense that isn’t tailored for the rest of the team.
Astute observation AFFNP.
Grant,
I’ll applaud you on being the only local reporter to really question the kool-aid drinking reporting of your colleagues. I, too, read Maiocco’s report and he passed it along as fact as opposed to saying “sources said” or the “49ers said:. That is irresponsible, in my opinion. In Baalke’s radio address yesterday, it seemed he tried to deflect the question about Manning, as opposed to denying interest, specifically.
Alex Smith and Peyton Manning share the same agent. How else should the 49ers play this other than to state that they have no interest? If they lose out on him, Alex is protected; if they sign Manning, Alex is jettisoned without much controversy. The reality is, if Smith really “is our guy”, they would have already inked a deal with him…yet they have not, at the cusp of free agency, no less. With two second-year QBs on the roster with no game experience, isn’t that a fairly huge gamble under normal circumstances?
What is also overlooked here, is the new stadium issue, which may open in two years? If so, wouldn’t our young owner be inclined to ask for a premium on luxury suites with a perennial Super Bowl contender led by a HOF QB at the wheel during the most important sales period prior to the stadium opening?
This is such a no-brainer on so many levels, I just don’t buy that the 49ers aren’t interested. They are playing it this way because they have to.
I love Peyton, and I think he is one of the greatest quarterbacks ever, if not THE greatest. I really feel that he’s right there with Montana and Marino.
Would I be happy if the 49ers signed him? Of course. But it won’t happen, and I don’t have any beef with that. I trust Harbaugh and Baalke to do what they think is best for the team, and I have faith in Smith.
JUST GET ANOTHER WR AN WELL BE FINE WHOEVER OUR QB IS. PERIOD.
Which WR you think would work best?
v. JACKSON… or wallace..
just think…. Vernon an Jackson on side of field…. walker, crab, and gin/willams…. on other…… pick ur poison bitches!!!!!!! lol with that.. alex has everything he needs to get us to SB and to be top qb in leauge…
LOL Wallace would just be another scapegoat for alex’s lack of skill. Alex is trash.
Is that why Wallace said that he’s interested in playing for the Niners? You don’t come to a team with a trashy QB to get a Super Bowl ring. He probably believes like the rest of the league that Smith will be the Niner’s QB in 2012. Very bad post threeandout.
Cooter,
Don’t believe the Hype. Smith can’t do it. He will fall flat on his face again and we will be wondering why we took another chance on him. His 17th chance!
Peyton Manning is one hit away from being done. I don’t see any offensive line protecting any QB well in the 4th quarter under 7 minutes to go down by 2 TD’s. The risk is not worth it.
I think Alex Smith is the guy for a few reasons:
-He knows the playbook.
-He knows his capabilities within the system.
-Coach Harbagh wants him.
-With a new receiver corps passing numbers will be better.
-He is young and under 30 years of age.
-He has the skill to play at a high level.
-His attitude is that of a leader.
Yes Manning is great, but for a season or two in the Bay Area, I don’t think so. I see him fitting in well with Arizona.
Just my thoughts.
Doc
Doc,
If you stop think about it, aren’t all QB’s essentially one big hit away from being done?
49erGirl
I see your logic, although my argument is…..
Youth has a better chance of taking punishment versus age. If I am a coach or GM I would put my money into a younger guy that can take the punishment.
For example, look at guys like Steve Young and Bret Farve at the end of there careers they could play at a high level but could not withstand the punishment. I believe the same is true for Peyton. I would much rather have a more susceptible QB that has a better chance of taking a hit, such as a younger guy without a critical season ending injury history.
49erGirl,
Doc has got to be a real doctor to make that assessment. Especially since Manning’s surgeon gave him a clean bill of health and said he isn’t susceptible to injury in that area any more than any other play with or without the injury.
But I guess DOC from the blog knows better….
Like I said Ninergirl, this topic shows who the REAL 49er fans are. What I’ve known all along….
I don’t have a problem with Doc, he usually posts very reasonable arguments.
I get that Peyton’s neck surgeries make people nervous. But Alex has had multiple should surgeries and, technically, he is also one hit away from being done.
Wherever Manning signs his guaranteed salary will probably be small for that reason alone. Even he knows teams are skeptical. He’s already stated he’s willing to sign an incentive laden contract with the right team in order to ease their fears about his health.
bayareafanatic,
One doctor out of how many? Any neurological injury needs to be taken seriously. You know a vicious hit could render Manning physically disabled the rest of his life because of the pre-existing condition. Keep in mind the injury left him on the bench this last season.
I like P Manning and he is an excellent competitor, skilled player and leader. Although, his injury is too risky in my opinion.
Being a true 9er fan I believe T. Balke will make the right call as proven in the past. But how can GM go without a youthful A. Smith after this last season with a subpar receiving corps?
I think Alex Smith will be better improved next season.
*shoulder surgeries*
49ergirl,
I thought about Alex Smiths shoulder too.
Although I believe there is more success with rotator surgery versus neurological issues like fused vertebra and highly controversial stem-cell procedures.
Side bar: I too like reading your posts, you bring out great points.
Doc
I agree that from a health standpoint, Alex is the safer bet for next season. I also agree that he is still going to be our QB next year and will improve in 2012.
From a speculation and throw-caution-to-the-wind point of view and thinking that both of them will be healthy and able to play, there’s no question in my mind which one is the better choice – Manning.
Honeslty, I think the organization views CK as the true future of the franchise, and that either Alex and/or Peyton are considered “stop gap” for the next couple seasons while CK continues to develop. If they were to get hurt, CK’s status of starting QB would just happen sooner rather than later.
I still don’t believe the Niners will sign Manning, but if they did I’d see it as a “can’t lose” situation.
Doc,
None of those attributes worked this past season. We had the 29th ranked passing offense and the worst offense on 3rd down. We were 13-3. Doesnt that tell you about our defense and special teams?
23jordan,
Not quite sure what you are getting at, your point?
If you are referring to A. Smith breakdown in the passing game, then I would say there is a correlating factor with the receiving corps.
Fact is Smith was ranked #9 of all NFL passers this last season and turned the ball over fewest of the top 10. B. Edwards was not the guy the organization relied upon and once he was out or gone Crabtree became double teamed. J. Morgan gone due to injury left the team with Williams and Swain. Yes AS held the ball a bit much but he did not turn it over giving opponents opportunities.
Hands down comparing and contrasting the two AS & PM, Manning is superior. But, is it the right thing to bring him in with the risks involved?
You know your stuff Doc. There is no way I would be able to state it like you said. It affirms how serious a neck injury is. I like Manning but I would rather see him retire before some irreparable damage occurs around his neck. There’s life after football.
MidWestNiner,
Excellent point.
Peyton Manning will go down as one of the all time greats and will be an NFL icon. He will be voted into the HOF first time up. It is important that he is preserved injury free and remains in excellent physical health for the next chapter in his career as a commentator or analyst. More importantly he has a family and being healthy for them is just as important.
The 49ers absolutely should pursue Peyton Manning and try to get him to agree to a contract low in guaranteed money, and loaded with incentives, and I will tell you why.
49ers fans who have been around for more than 20 years should find this whole situation very similar to what happened out here in the early ’90′s. There was nearly an identical debate around the future of Joe Montana. Flash back for a second, Montana gets crushed in the NFC Championship by Leonard Marshall, and misses not only 1 season, but 2 (unless you want to count the second half of the season finale against Detroit). He is then traded to KC, and guess what happens, not only does he perform well, but he leads them to the AFC Championship game his first year back and the playoffs again the next year. And those teams in KC where no where near as dominant on defense and special teams as the current 49er team.
In Mannings case, he has been out for 1 year, and like Montana has spent the first 14 seasons with the same team. Unlike Montana who had multiple back surgeries during his career in SF, Manning has been completely healthy until this past season.
If Manning is cleared to play, and can demonstrate he still has the ability to make all the necessary throws you owe it to the organization to pursue it. Many of you will/have said, “well what happens if he takes a shot and is knocked out?”, and the answer is that you will still have the same QB’s in waiting in Kaepernick, and Tolzien.
The next question is, “but what about the future of Kaepernick?”Whoever finally gets Manning will probably only have him for 2-3 years, so even if Manning is healthy and able to play every game for say 2 years, that is pretty much the same thing that you will get if you re-sign Alex Smith, and who would be a better mentor for Kaep than a QB who many regard as the best of this generation.
By loading the contract with incentives you will greatly reduce the cap hit that will go along with the signing, thus allowing you to go after the other players you need to target. Right now the assumption is that Smith will be offered somewhere in the area of $7-10m/year. Offer Manning $5m guaranteed with the remainder built on easy to reach incentives. Bring in the receivers, guard, and draft picks that you need and you are now the front runner for the Super Bowl in the NFC.
Will it happen, most likely not, but it isn’t as if it would be without precedence. Only time will tell.
ok
If Manning is healthy I fully agree with you. Manning could come in and play for a few years, dominate, prove everybody wrong and then retire vindicated. In the mean time, we could groom Kaep with the best QB and coaching staff in the league. I’m just concerned that nerve in his neck isn’t 100% right and we won’t be able to do a full evaluation of him prior to signing him.
“If Manning is cleared to play, ”
He “seems” to be cleared to play.
“and can demonstrate he still has the ability to make all the necessary throws you owe it to the organization to pursue it.”
As I understand it, there’s a very big possibility that Manning will sign a contract with someone before there’s a chance to see him make all the throws in any thing like a realistic situation.
I see no evidence that Manning is going to take a low ball contract loaded with performance incentives, or that the owners of the Dolphins, and Redskins wouldn’t counter with more money up front.
… also, Manning has been able to get the ball away fast because he had better receivers than the 49ers had last year. Some of that speed was based on his superior understanding of his offense and his trust in his receivers to do what he expected — built over years together.
I don’t see any reason why he would favor Miami or Washington over the 49ers. I doubt he wants to go to a team that is in a rebuilding mode.
Talk about emotional drama. People are saying Manning is the best QB of all time, I’d agree if he retired but now comin off 4 surgeries and not playing for a full year at age 36, will he be the same? Cant see that happening
Many people also thought that Joe Montana was done after his back surgeries and almost being killed by Marshall in the Giants game, but that turned out good for KC.
And montana didnt have the gift of the scientific technology they have today for surgeries. Plus montana didn’t work out like the players do today. A blown out knee back them=career over. Now 1 year tops and players come back and play well!
It’s would be a great idea but I don’t see it happening. Like I said before it would be a shame if they didn’t at least kick the tires. But it’s going to be another year of hope rather than knowing. Gotta hope smith becomes the qb most of us want. Elite!
Agreed md.
just to weigh in…..i am for kicking the tires on peyton…it is an opportunity and let the front office figure out if health, and money mitigated so that the organization can shoe horn in a running back and a WR along with a CB…..i will let the right guard idea fall by the roadside….
as far as commenting on egos well those are always stumbling blocks as well….AS is clearly JH puppy dog and if peyton was brought it it would be interesting to observe those dynamics…..
clearly, i am assuming peyton can read defenses better than AS……giving rise to improved timely releases of the ball….
i did see peyton at some skills drill for the probowl and i wasn’t impressed….but that is neither here or there…..how do the niners get a read on his arm strength ……
and would a randy moss be that bad of an addition if peyton was in a niner uniform….
it would be more dicey with AS i suspect….
would moss really want to go to the saints if their organization was going to be hit with sanctions so to speak
and next year schedule is a 1st place schedule
@adam 707 i agree it a fun idea to entertain i just hope it does’nt turn into another name calling fest over something that has a 1% likelyhood
i dont believe manning is as great as people talk about. i place alot more emphasis on play off success. he might be the greatest regular season QB of all time
Give him our coaching and ST’s and especially our Defense ,and he will look better than he did with Indy.If he is at least 80%.
bro u cant win play off games by yourself…
and that was before 3 neck surgeries
I wonder what the team that knows the most about Peyton’s medical condition thinks.
Oh right, they just cut him.
You guys are idiots, if you think Harbaugh and Baalke are happy with having the 29th ranked passing offense and our fg kicker breaking records you guys have down syndrome. Grant is right on, you guys are too slow to see the obvious or want to be alex smiths wife. Mark Sanchez “took” the jets to two afc championships their fans want peyton manning bad. Why dont you morons want to win, explain it to me after you get off the short yellow bus.
lol raw name! hahahaah
Feelings! Just plain feelings for a man with millions. Good luck trying to get an honest answer. Imagine what you would be reading if drew brees wanted to come here. Some on here would look for every excuse not to bring him and to keep Alex smith.
I think Brees coming here would be a different issue. He is younger and healthier than Manning is. I have no worries at all if he were available instead of Manning. The only thing would be the cap situation, as he would take a big chunk of the cap, leaving the team to not be able to resign some players. Like if you sign Brees this year, Rogers is gone for sure, and so would Brooks, maybe a couple key ST players that would needed to be replaced.
Smith is better than Brees…… As a caddie lol.
Absolutely would love to see Brees come to the Niners. Just don’t see it happening though.
When did Dan Snyder start writing this blog????
Who wouldn’t want a healthy Manning who is reasonably sure of surviving blows to the head and neck? NOBODY!!!!
Who is going to get a Manning who is reasonably sure of surviving blows to the head and neck? NOBODY!!!!
Then there is the possibility that he can survive being hit, but that the nerve regeneration never gets his arm back to normal.
That’s a gigantic risk just to get rid of Alex Smith.
/sigh Grant every time you put out an article on who you think the Niners should sign you sound more and more like a typical Homer.
Not going to happen…
Too much invested in implementing Harbaugh\Roman Offense
Harbaugh’s invested too much in Smith already
Manning would want to run his O, not the WCO
Manning, at least, would come with serious medical baggage for the $$$$
The offense would have to learn a new O, seriously
Nice idea and thought, but unrealistic, IMO.
Signing Manning would be a disaster for the Niners. That’s not to say that he’s not an incredible quarterback but the problem here is that he’s used to calling his own plays and dominating the locker room.
The Niners are built as a team that is not ego driven. This is probably the best reason that Alex Smith showed so much improvement last season, if there was ever a team player, Alex is it.
Manning, not so much. He’d be poison in this particular locker room and I can guarantee that Manning and Harbaugh would not work out.
First time anybody ever has refered to a great guy like peyton as poison. Harbaugh likes confident winners like peyton stupid. Your boy alex is garbage and you are a stupid fruit cake that should shut up when it comes to football.
Your user name exudes football knowledge, along with your vocabulary when you enlighten us about football — stupid, garbage, stupid fruit cake, shut up.
Yeah, just because I don’t comment doesn’t mean I don’t know football. I’ve been 49er Faithful since the early seventies and I’ve watched them at their best and their worst.
The point I was making about Manning and Smith is that while on paper (if he’s even close to being the quarterback he was before his year in a headset), Manning is a better quarterback.
But that’s in a vacuum. If we were to sign Manning, we’d probably have to scrap most of our existing offensive scheme. If you want the benefit of Peyton Manning, you need to play the scheme that he’s so good at because he’s carrying an encyclopedia of that scheme around in his head. Can you really see Harbaugh and Roman just giving up both the offensive scheme and play calling (because Manning calls his own plays — he’s been called the de-facto Offensive Coordinator in Indy for years)? Can you see Harbaugh ceding that much power to ANY player for what might be at best a short term gain? Remember, fused spinal vertebrae, 36 years old, questionable recovery. What can we honestly expect to get from him, two years? What part of “spinal injury don’t you understand?
What about Harbaugh’s credibility with the team? He’s been very very upfront with his support of Alex Smith and how will the locker room handle it if he just abandons the quarterback that he’s slapped on the back and punched the shoulder pads and repeatedly told anyone who is listening that “Alex is the man”? What does that do to the trust in the locker room? What does it do to Frank Gore and Vernon Davis who have voiced strong support of Alex Smith for years (even while Alex was benched)?
Then there’s the money. Yes, the Niners have some cap room and that’s great. Honestly, how much cap room will Manning eat up? What about re-signing our own critical free agents? What about the most glaring need of all, wideouts? If we pick up free agents, that will be spendy, if we go high in the draft, that won’t be cheap.
Manning doesn’t make sense for the Niners for a whole lot of reasons.
Alex Smith, meanwhile had a great season. He made some amazing plays (4th Quarter against the Saints in January, anyone?). As he put it after one victory when the other team had been trash talking him he “managed the game to a victory”. With Harbaugh and, finally with a stable coaching staff and team, there’s a very strong likelihood of him improving even more next season — and giving Colin K time to develop, something he never had himself.
I’m not saying Smith is a better QB than Manning, far from it. What I am saying is that, right now and for many reasons, Smith is a better quarterback for the FORTY NINERS than Manning.
As for htwaits. When you get out of junior high school, we can maybe have a discussion. Right now your idiotic homophobic and, quite frankly childish drivel is just sad.
Don’t forget bum htwaits.
I should have been explicit. I was replying to Alex3andoutSmith not you markhayesdesign. I’m sorry that you misunderstood my post.
I’m so sorry htwaits!
“Alex3andoutSmith” is a bit of a tool judging by what he wrote in response to me and throughout the comment stream.
Oh well gotta love that series of tubes the interwebs…
sports teams are full of egos….that is just the nature of sports and elite players and all players who make it to the nfl or nba or mlb are all elite as compared to….
peyton i can only assume would not want to dominate the locker room and i think he would adjust to this offense…..he would need some weapons just as AS would …..
it would be interesting to see peyton show up in ariz or seattle……
For all you brain children. Let me ask you 1 ? What do you think Eddie “D” an Walsh would do?? He’s be signed by now an they knew when a player like Manning was there, they’s be all over him! Good job Grant!!! But then again after reading some of the lame comments makes me wonder if they knew who Walsh an Eddie D were all about! And I don’t even want to hear some GONAD tell me Walsh would rather have Smith then Manning. If he gets a complete health release-GRAB HIM-
different erra without cap consequences …. so even if true premise is awkward at best……..
and the money thing can be back loaded if the cap is clearly increasing for the next few years….
If Manning is ready to play then he needs to have a Pro Day in the very near future so the teams that are interested and the team that signs him can set up their draft accordingly. If his arm is ready then he needs to show it off and not on a u tube either.
This why Payton makes sense to the 49ers!!! What nobody is talking about is if CK7 or Tozlin becomes the QB of the future, who would you rather have them learning from (Alex or Payton)?…Thank you that what I thought!!!!
Worked REALLLLLLLLL well for Jim Sorgi and Curtis Painter.
In Payton’s fourteen year career, what young quarterbacks has he mentored?
How many SB’s has Peyton won? Whats his playoff record? How many Qb’s have won a SB with 2 different teams? How many have taken 2 different teams to the SB?
Answer those and thats the answer to this JOKE of an idea.
past success or failure on marginally related stats is not indicative of future pass or failures of the portfolio that is the SF niners
This isnt a small sample size. Its the history of the NFL. And its HIS history. His entire career he’s 9-10 in post season play. I guarantee he will not win a SB with whomever he signs with. I’m 75% possitive he won’t even make it to one.
Secondly. Havent all over 35 year old qbs shown that its a failed experiement? Brett Favre had 1 good season. He was the exception.
No thanks.
BTW. No qb’s have won a SB with 2 different teams. 1 QB, Kurt Warner, has taken 2 teams to the SB. Yeah!
u missed the point because u are caught up in your stat filled world…..because after all it is a team game…dynamics would be different…..because the defense and special teams are different….
Ok. Marginally related. His career is not marginally related when it comes to him. WHy would he somehow become a post season wizard now that he’s playing in a new city, new team, new teammates, new (old) age? Why is it that not one QB has ever won 2 sbs with different teams? Why is it that only 1 qb has taken 2 teams to the sb? Is Manning somehow the great qb magician that will break this fact? Tell me wise yoda.
cause niners are still relying on defense and spec teams to take the team to the SB precipice…not peyton….would be asking peyton to marginally improve the offense more than AS would in his second season in the system….again a team event not a just a player event
ps…
i am not in the peyton camp…..just want it to be explored and maybe it already has and baalke and JH have already come to the conclusion you have…..which is perfectly fine
I know one QB that took two teams the the SB — and the Niners just threw him away.
Anybody remember Jeff Garcia? A Walsh favorite for years before the team signed him after he excelled in the CFL and, if there’d been an offensive line in SF at the time (and no T.O.) he might have done great things here.
Instead he went from backup to starter with the Eagles and the Bucs and took both teams to the big game.
One of the dumbest moves the Niners have ever made, though not as dumb as Ericson…
2012 Manning = 2009 McNabb, not saying their careers are even somewhat comperable, just the fact that this is all hyperbole and at the end of the day someones going to sign a QB who’s best days are behind him and still be looking to fill the QB void 2-3 years down the road. I think where the Niners are now is, we have a confident and competent coaching staff, we have a serviceable QB in our sights (Smith) that helped us get to the NFC championship and we have a young hopefull (Kap) waitin in the wings. That to me sounds like strategy, not to say were settling, because we did make it to the NFC championship with Alex at the helm, it’s a sound strategy to continue to get better, add needed skill players and O-Line help an in a year or so (or this year if Alex doesn’t sign) let’s give our young QB a shot and see what he has. After last year and all the pre-season crying (myself included) about the lack off activity early on in FA, we were all proven wrong, so whatever decision the Front Office makes at this point I will trust is the correct one! Go Niners!
If Manning is NFL Quarterback healthy..
If Manning wants to play for us….
If Manning is willing to accept a mostly incentive laden contract….
If Manning is willing to accent Harbaughs offense and not his own…..
That’s a lot of ifs, but if they were to be true, then I say bring him.
Will Manning give the Niners 4 good years? Nope. Thats what you lose to start with.
True,
But can Alex give the 49ers 2 Manning level years. I don’t know its definitely possible but still an if.
He went 13-3 this season, NFC championship, all with just 1 month of off season instruction. Why can’t we believe he can get even better. 25 TD guy? 4k yards? Give him the Giants WR core, you dont think that happens. I believe.
… and if his agent want’s to displace one client with another client when there are other good offers elswhere…
Wow these alex supporters are the dumbest human beings I’ve ever seen. Can you guys go commit mass suicide like the heavens gate cult you so closely resemble?
More great football insights — dumbest, go commit mass suicide, heavens gate cult. You’re insight blinds me.
Great football insights? Taking Alex Smith over Peyton Manning, take your medication and get back to the mental hospital immediately. You guys are some serious mental midgets.
Why don’t you read the postings from doc before you talk again threeandout.
You are pathetic wishing death on a fellow human being. I hope you mature some day.
Comparing Harbaugh to the leader of a death cult. Pretty low, even for a hater.
Ya but by then C.K. would have it down packed!!
Too many posts to read-but has it been mentioned Alex Smith and Manning have the same agent? Like I said on COHNZOHN, Jed will never payout for Manning. And to add-this is the same man who low balled Harbaugh and stood up in front of the media and announced he had a world wide search for a great GM…then signed the he work’s cheap,Baalke.
The more Harbaugh does,accomplishes..the more Jed will cut corners because Jim “can do it”. Mark my word.
still have to stay within 90% of cap space….so jed being cheap or not is not a team player related issue ….maybe the locker room, practice fields, coaches, and stadium stuff…but even though he signs the checks he has left football issues to football people…..that is the persona jed exudes at the moment…
heck maybe can help peyton get some auxilary pay via promotions on top of what he does get from the sponsors he already has…
UMMMMM. Did Baalke not deliver a 13-3, nfc championship game playing roster…from a 6-10 team the year before? Did he not draft Aldon Smith, when everyone was saying “WTF you idiot”. Did he not sign Rogers and Whitner and Akers and Goodwin, when everyone was screaming for Nnamdi?? Take your insanity back to the Cohnzone.
@Stan:
Maybe you should stick to the goofy, unintelligible comments. I can understand your point in this one, and you couldn’t be more wrong.
Don’t visit the sins of the father upon the son.
I as a fan will support whomever is QB next year. I don’t see JH giving up on Alex Smith to sign Manning. JH likes a challenge and thats what he gets with Smith.
Why did the Colts release Manning? Was it because of the 28 million that was owed or is it that Manning isnt ready yet. Some people here feel its not about the money he just wants to win a SB. If thats the case why didnt he foregoe the 28 million and stay with the Colts which he claims is the team he loves. Its always about the money, Manning is going to an AFC team that pays him the most and that has a realistic chance of going to the SB. (if he is healthy that is.)
Better question for me undercenter is why didn’t PM just stay in Indy to mentor AL if it isn’t about the money?
No team on the cusp is going to get PM. The Dolphins are the front runners and they weren’t on the cusp of anything. Neither was AZ or Seattle. Is there a single cusp team who non-fans are saying are in the hunt for PM? If he goes to those teams (Miami, AZ, Seattle), he isn’t going there to win a Super Bowl.
If the reason isn’t money, it sure isn’t to win another Super Bowl. That is for sure.
“If the reason isn’t money, it sure isn’t to win another Super Bowl. That is for sure.”
I didn’t realize you were so close to Peyton to know exactly what his thought process is regarding free agency and what’s motivating him to continue playing.
Perhaps your favorite saying applies to you as well – “You think you know, but you really don’t know”
Maybe you should just go ahead and admit that you don’t know as much about Peyton Manning as Peyton Manning does.
49ergirl
Yet another reply to somebody who does not care at all what you think.
Get another girlfriend.
Poor baby, did I strike a nerve?
Don’t you know this is a public forum where people are free to respond to any posts regardless of whether or not you care what they think?
BTW, I’m still waiting for you to admit you don’t know more about Peyton than Peyton does.
And the definition of stupidity is revealed once again.
Go play with your dolls, or converse with somebody who cares for a change.
Yep – definitely struck a nerve. That makes my day :-)
Prove that definition true 49ergirl
No need to prove the obvious.
Still waiting for you admit that you don’t know more about Peyton than Peyton does.
I have a feeling that the retirement of his center Jeff Saturday played a role into why Manning is no longer with the Colts.
And it is pretty obvious the Colts are entering a major rebuilding phase. Manning could have easily delayed the $28 million bonus due but chose not to.
Manning wanted out of Indy as much as the Colts wanted to move on. It was a good move for both parties really.
I was just curious to look at the stats turns that Peyton in his worst season ever was worse than Alex… in his best season ever. After that almost every season he had was better than Alex. So the question then becomes how healthy is Peyton, if hes at 85% we should be bringing home lombardi’s within the next few years if not… then its a big set back. The question is how much of a gambler are you?
People say Payton is only a short term solution, but I think back to how much Aaron Rogers benefited from playing behind Brett Favre, even though Brett was old and a shadow of his former self. Seeing how a GREAT quarterback prepared for the game, handled the other players and managed a game would make Kapp a MUCH better QB in the future relative to what he might learn watching Alex Smith (even if Smith plays pretty well).
Again. Who has Peyton mentored. How well did Jim Sorgi(?) and Curtis Painter do? He wont mentor.
Yes, PM mentored them so well, they had to bring in Kerry Collins for further mentoring.
@Grant
Here are the conditions:
1. He accepts the same deal as they have out to Alex, maxed at 3 years
2. He plays within the system
3. He brings Garcon with him
4. He competes to earn the starting job
Here are the benefits:
1. Alex is gone, freeing Kaepernick to ascend to QB of the future
2. Even if Peyton gets injured, Kaepernick has an HOF mentor to learn from
3. Peyton instantly upgrades the passing game
4. Stadium seating sales on the rise
Here are the drawbacks:
1. Peyton is a statue and might get bountied in his first few games
2. If this goes south, the naysayers and boo birds descend upon Harbaugh
3. Peyton’s only the 2nd best Manning anyway.
An intriguing ingredient in this calculation is the prospect of CK7 gaining by Peyton’s presence alone. Whether this is actually a measurable benefit is debatable, given the fact that Harbaugh is already considered to be the primary QB Whisperer in the league right now. Considering Sorgi & Painter, there’s no evidence that Peyton’s presence does a darn bit of good for any other QBs around him.
@pork
“2. Even if Peyton gets injured, Kaepernick has an HOF mentor to learn from”
Why don’t you ask SY how much he learned from JM first? PM isn’t going to mentor CK? Why would he? If he wanted to mentor somebody he would stay in Indy and mentor Andrew Luck.
HOF QB’s don’t mentor other QB’s while they are still playing. The competitive juices are too strong.
Trent Dilfer taught AS a lot more than JM taught SY. And TD had a lot more nice conversations with AS than Joe and Steve ever had.
@DS
Really? Did you do a study on the effect Trent Dilfer had on Alex Smith versus the effect Joe Montana had on Steve Young? I’m sure if you did you can provide the evidence.
Otherwise, please do us all a favor and shut your trap!
You make such lofty assertions, as though you have some exclusive avenue into the inner thoughts of all these professional athletes! It’s preposterous. You are a fan of a local QB, whose perspective is just as warped as those who you argue with every day. You are the EXACT SAME as Jordo & BayAreaFanatic. To a tee! The exact same, don’t you get that???!!!
Of course Steve Young would never admit to learning from Joe Montana, but he’d have to be a complete dolt not to have. Walsh said everything Montana did was perfect, from his footwork to his timing to his accuracy. A lot of Young’s attributes when he finally won a SB resembled Montana’s skills more than those Young first displayed as a wild-legged, happy-footed freak in the pocket.
Of course Trent taught Alex!!! Alex only had 1 year with a real coach, with Norv Turner, so of course he was a sponge around anybody else who might offer insights. You want to say Dilfer’s insights are valuable, fine, go ahead. But that guy is just another pathetic game manager who hung onto the coattails of one of the best defenses in history to make his only mark in the NFL.
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DS, you really ought to have someone censor what you write, lest you embarrass yourself. Saying Young didn’t learn from just being around Montana is just asinine. Want to quibble on the word mentor? Yeah, you probably do… mentors can be adversarial, they don’t have to hold your hand. They can challenge you every day, make your life miserable, etc…, but as long as they’re setting an example of excellence that you are following, you are the apprentice… you learn.
@Pork
It has been widely reported at the time and since that TD really helped AS out. AS admitted it. TD admitted it.
You need to keep up with the events sa they happen more often pork.
Pork, JM has said that he didn’t mentor SY. SY has said JM didn’t go out of his way to help him out. Haven’t you ever seen a SY interview when JM is brought up. SY is always stumbling to phrase things nicely so as to not start up a stupid fight. JR said that there was a gulf between the two. How can you not remember this?
@Pork
I notice you like to correct peoples vocab and spelling a lot.
So, thought you might find this handy about the word “mentor”
In Greek mythology, Mentor (Greek: Μέντωρ / Méntōr; gen.: Μέντορος)[1] was the son of Alcimus or Anchialus. In his old age Mentor was a friend of Odysseus who placed Mentor and Odysseus’ foster-brother Eumaeus in charge of his son Telemachus, and of Odysseus’ palace, when Odysseus left for the Trojan War.
mentor (ˈmɛntɔː)
— n
1. a wise or trusted adviser or guide
— vb
2. to act as a mentor to (someone); train
And some people have a job which is basically mentorying some youth. They are not doing their job if they behave in the manner JM did to SY.
Next time, please use the right word if you are going to fight me about censorship or word definitions, you just might want to do some research on it yourself.
P.S. If a mentor is teaching like you said, I know the teachers in America are having to do more than just doing a task. They actually have to teach it. In the sports world, we call that coaching. And the sentence “JH is mentoring AS” has come up many times.
Please show me article after article where people said JM mentored SY.
You did notice the word “friend” being brought up with the origin of the word “mentor”, didn’t you?
And why would you trust or wish to be guided by somebody who you don’t like?
So you’re saying the Greek meaning of the word applies over real life contemporary application? (thx by the way, I like your inclusion of intellectual fodder!) Have you ever worked? Your boss isn’t always your “friend” but is quite often your “mentor.”
Your entire argument completely ignores the reality that many many people learn by imitation, as their (friendly or adversarial) mentors teach by example. It is the way of busy industry. There is no time to coddle. There is money to make, and the weak don’t survive. Those who follow the leader’s example, by and large, ascend to positions of leadership. Mentor. It is a word that has plenty of value in today’s real world.
Who cares that Alex thanks Trent! Alex is 50x the QB that Trent ever was, an worked with him for what, 1 year?
You don’t have to grasp at straws to try to defend your indefensible position. OF COURSE JOE MONTANA TAUGHT SY more than Trent taught Alex! You are NuTs, just like Jordo and BAF!
I’m waiting for all those articles form you where SY said a lot of things he learned from JM.
I remember a lot saying he learned a lot from Bill Walsh. Somehow JM was left out.
And, it is typical of your, my boss to say hi and talk with me (maybe not you). Not to give me the cold shoulder. That doesn’t teach me anything except that I don’t want him as my boss.
I can remember “mentors” in my life. I may not have hung out with them after school/work, but I certainly looked forward to seeing them and interacting with them when I was at school/work. That is what a mentor does/is.
What you are describing, may as well have a computer teaching you everything. No need for any human connection at all. My computer can teach me a lot of things with its ability to go on the internet and such. My computer does not “mentor” me though.
If your computer “mentors” you, that is sad thing, and I truly feel sorry for you.
Not to butt in but your both right and wrong to some degree.
Steve has repeatedly said he learned a lot about how to prepare himself from Joe on KNBR (when he was talking to Ralph and Tom). However he said he learned a lot by watching Joe, and has never mentioned Joe taking him aside and teaching him.
They were both highly competitive… so that can easily be understood.
@shoup
I actually state that they were c”ompetitors” in my 4:35 post.
That word is much more fitting than “mentor” in my view.
Okay here is why you’re wrong:
1. The man will be 36 and won’t accept a short term contract. How many qbs have great seasons after 36? Not many and we’d have to pay a huge contract since there will be competition with Stephen Ross driving up the price.
2. Peyton Manning has never played in a different system in his entire career. Now of course you’re saying hey why not adjust to what Peyton did in Indy? You do realize how ridiculous that is? You are asking coaches to teach a system they don’t know to players that don’t know it for a quarterback that practically needs perfection? Does not exactly sound like the recipe for success.
3. Not only is Peyton getting to the ages where arm strength declines dramatically but he has had multiple surgeries that diminish arm strength and hasn’t thrown in the NFL for a YEAR. He hasn’t faced an NFL defense in a YEAR. He hasn’t been hit in a YEAR.
4. Our o-line doesn’t pass block well and Peyton is now an injury prone quarterback who moves like a snail.
5. Alex Smith is entering his prime as a quarterback and just came off his best season as a pro. CK has had one year to develop under Harbaugh and should know the playbook. We are fine at quarterback, we need receivers.
This team went to overtime against the Super Bowl champions and likely would have won if it weren’t for an injury to their kick returner. Peyton has won one super bowl in 14 years, by signing him you are risking the future for a guy who is a huge risk right now and likely won’t win you a super bowl anyway. It isn’t a good decision.
@tkamb
What is so funny about this is that the people who claim that stats are facts are the same ones who completely ignore the 1/14 years of winning a Super Bowl.
They make a big deal about numbers (stats) except for the only one that matters most.
Stats are numbers. Odds are numbers. And both the stats of PM career in the playoffs and the odds (1/14) are so clearly stacked against the notion that PM will win us a Super Bowl that it is truly laughable to those of us who actually understand numbers and stats and odds.
I’ll take 1/14 over 0/7 any day.
how about 1/8?
I’ll take those over both.
umm…Smith still has 7 more to get that one. Get real.
@ribico
49ergirl is really showing her lack of mathematical skill here.
1/14 has twice the number of opportunities. n=2x than what it is for AS. It is the kind of thing you see on FOX News when they are trying to prove something.
So, that 1/14 is really not any better than AS 0/7. Especially since you don’t know how long it took that 1 to come by and how long it has been since just by looking at the number.
Add to that the known facts of the situation (HC/system/etc) and there is no way one can say that AS at n=14 won’t also have at least 1 if not more.
Took more than 7 years, Im pretty sure of that. :)
DS, it sounds to me like 49erGirl is willing to give AS 7 more shots at it. How magnanimous!
If only she could talk that sense into some of her loud mouthed pals here.
@ribico
“…sounds to me like 49erGirl is willing to give AS 7 more shots at it. ”
+ spin on that – She is willing to give AS another 8 tries to get that 1 super Bowl.
- spin on that – She is allowing herself and her gang to say all the crap they want for another 8 years.
Which do you think is most likely? Which do you hope for?
The answer from me is the not the same.
DS, it could be worse. We could be comparing AS to Elway. It only took that HOFer 14 years to get the ring. At least Manning got his in what, year 10?
@ribico
Cool
“HOFer ”
Way to go hofer.
lol
There is nothing wrong my my math skills, but it’s a stretch to say that Alex Smith gives the 49ers better odds to win a SB when all other constants remain the same.
First off – fractions are a simple mathematical statement. 1/14 = .0714 and 0/7 = 0. As simply as DS phrased her argument, mathematically speaking, the odds favor Manning.
And, if you’re going to break it down by experience, let’s look at their career statistics in making the playoffs. Calculating the odds of winning a SB should also factor in a players history of getting into the post season, because a SB is not possible when the team does not make it past the regular season.
How do the two QB’s match up in the playoff appearance statistic? Manning – 11/14 and Smith 1/7.
didn’t he have to beat up his little brother to get that one
“The 49ers should sign Manning”
To this I say slow down Grant.
The man has had 4 neck surgeries over the last year.
He’s not yet available unless something has changed over the last 24 hours.
Now say he’s available. That means changing our Offense yet again. All so we can get a guy who while proven isn’t going to be playing at the same level he was 3 years ago. Standing him behind this Line that would have to learn yet another Offensive protection scheme is abject stupidity imho… unless he comes with Jeff Saturday to speed along the learning curve of the rest of the Linemen.
Then you have the Receiver issue. Peyton Manning is not going to make 15 or Teddy Ginn better. Maybe Kyle Williams and Morgan, but then Vernon Davis would have to adjust to another QB. This would set the 9ers back. Smith and Frank have good chemistry. Peyton and Frank do not. Bruce Miller would have to learn another Offense. He’s a converted DE. It would set him back to a degree to be on the same page as Peyton.
This is the same guy that is not going to be anywhere near what he was pre Super Bowl Championship.
Now this said, if he would sign for Backup money and want to finish out his career taking snaps in emergency situations that would be fine with me. But you have him Starting for us and the guy can’t even Start for Indy right now. That’s the only reason they’re even going to walk away from him. If he was 100% and healthy Irsay wouldn’t even consider releasing the man.
Just like the Anti Drug Commercials of my youth, say No to Peyton Manning. Too many negatives to take the chance of reaping the benefit of ONE positive. This Line would get the man killed.
Good point Ceadderman
I hadn’t even thought about the fact that PM likes to pass the ball as oppose to running it. And how that works itself out if he were here would be a soap opera all unto itself.
How come no other team is trying to sign alex smith if he is so good? The fact that people can advocate for smith over manning, it just scares me we have such mutants in our midst. Alex Smith is a 3 and out joke.
The speculation is that at least 10 to 12 teams will contact Manning’s agent with interest in signing him.
I’m sure all of those teams are just overlooking Smith’s potential.
Or because hes not a free agent yet… Peyton was cut so hes not under contract, Alex is under contract til the 13th.
Fair enough. What 10 to 12 teams do you see actively pursing Alex?
I see one team. One very, very good team. That’s all thats needed.
Those other 12 or 13 are welcome to stake their short term on a gamble that could keep them in a salary cap mess for years.
Replied to the wrong post but I don’t see many teams pursuing Alex because like has been reported most teams expect Alex to sign here. If he doesn’t I could see Seattle, Arizona, Kansas City, Miami, Cleveland, Denver, and maybe Jacksonville looking to sign him as their starter. Look its obvious that Peyton would draw more interest in the open market since he is a hall of fame qb and teams that don’t have any real long term options on the roster will be happy to sign him, but that doesn’t mean that he is the best fit for us.
No other team is trying to sign him because he’s EXPECTED to sign with the 9ers and no team wants to be used the way Warner used us when he was negotiating his final deal with Arizona. Comprende?
Uh…because free agency hasn’t started and the Niners could file tampering charges? Please think before you post threeandout.
Never will happen, not going to happen. Lunacy thinking that it could even possibly happen. This same meme will be sprouting by the fanboy blogs of every team.
Earth to Grant, how about a realistic column on how the Niners plan to improve the team?
Ribico, He has done that quite a few times over the last couple weeks. Take a slight break from reality and try to have fun with the concept. Don’t be afraid to hurt Alex’s feelings, he isn’t paying attention to any of our bologna any way.
Besides, the only people who know what the 49ers are going to do is the 49ers front office. Everything else is speculation anyway. Relax and try to have some fun.
He’ll maybe we can sign Manning and then trade him to Arizona for Larry Fitzgerald! ; )-
>>Besides, the only people who know what the 49ers are going to do is the 49ers front office. Everything else is speculation anyway.
Jack, the team has given sooooo many clues as to their stated direction, it’s is pretty piss poor journalism to even dredge this PM topic anywhere close to speculation. Only the hating brigade have hands over their ears yelling WE CANT HEAR YOU.
Let the fans of the crappy teams hope for a broken-down mirage of a savior. We don’t need it, and the FO is never going to go down that road.
ps: I do like that manning for fitzgerald trade idea though!
‘Not your best piece, Grant
That’s not true OREGONINER, this is the best piece he has written since the AS piece before leaving for vacation. Over 250 comments and counting.
Yes, quantity = quality.
Probably true in the “eyeball” business.
@Jack:
You got that right.
Vernon Davis was 208 yards away from 1000 yards this season (792) or 173 away from matching his career high (965) in what was considered a bad year for him. Crabtree was 126 yards away from 1000. They dont need Peyton Manning, all they need is another 1000 yard reciever and a full off season together.
If he can make Crabtree look good and Davis look great and he can bring Garcon here for a song and probably stop the seas from rising in his spare time, why are the Colts letting him go? How did Carson Palmer work out across the bay? This isn’t going to happen, nor should it. Great quarterbacks at the end of their careers are merely slightly better than average. The league has had several of them over the years. Johnny Unitas, Joe Namath, Joe Montana come to mind, but there have been others and Peyton will be the next.
First of all, why does Lowell Cohn’s son get to anything for the PD?
Second of all, there is no way the 49ers are going to give away a zillion dollars on an older quarterback with chronic neck problems. I’m not a great Alex Smith fan, but this is not the answer.
Are you guys nuts?
Who cares about alex smith?
Sign Peyton Manning to an incentive laden 5 year contract…he plays for 2…wins 2 Super Bowls…2 parades…
This place is haven for Alex Smith fan club Lovers, getting PM is a small risk, he get’s hurt, we go with the future with Kaep, if this sets us a back a year or two big freakin deal, and if we lose Alex Smith, I would say again, big freaking deal.
if this sets us a back a year or two big freakin deal, and if we lose Alex Smith, I would say again, big freaking deal.
Solid evidence that this place is a haven for Alex Smith haters instead of 49ers fans.
risk on…..
that is pretty unbelievable ….. if peyton gets hurt half way thru season …. then big frackin deal….don’t even get this concept….lose all that money because doubtful peyton will have a heavily incentive contract …which leads to not getting a couple of weapons that could carry the team into the future…. lost the cap space and going with CK who JH has pretty much intimated is not ready for the field even though he is working hard and has improved….
@ Mr Balls,
I don’t hate Smith, Mr. Balls, I want a great QB, go have some Kool Aid now. Also Skip Bayless, Jerry Rice and Tony Dungy, all said to go for Peyton Manning, will take their opinions over your cut and paste bull crap.
@Neal:
You have made it clear that you don’t like Alex Smith and would like the team to replace him. Your 2:57 comment essentially said that you didn’t care if pursuing Manning set the 49ers back for a year or two. After years in the wilderness, the team is on the cusp of the Super Bowl and you don’t care if it gets set back for two years? And if that same pursuit also means that Smith leaves, you’ll be happy?
Sounds like you are more interested in seeing your anti-Alex Smith wishes come true than you are in seeing the 49ers succeed. That may or may not be hate, but it certainly is a screwed up set of priorities.
Also Skip Bayless, Jerry Rice and Tony Dungy, all said to go for Peyton Manning, will take their opinions over your cut and paste bull crap.
I understand wanting to align yourself with Tony Dungy and Jerry Rice (although I don’t think Rice meant what you think he meant), but Skip Bayless? Are you kidding me? How about Colin Cowherd? Is he on your side, too? What about Bill Simmons?
Cut and paste bull crap? Why do you dislike being quoted? Do you wish you hadn’t written what you wrote?
Tony Dungy is biased. He coached the man. But he hasn’t seen him play this last year. In fact nobody has. Take this opinion with a large grain of sodium potassium.
Jerry Rice. As much as I love the guy and will ALWAYS respect the man when it comes to Receivers, he’s wrong about Manning. He stated that the 9ers would never Win with Alex Smith under Center back when Smith was drafted. Funny, seems to me that’s all the 9ers did last year. Jerry also stated that we need Receivers. So which is it? Sign a broken down QB for a lot of money or pick up 1 or 2 solid Free Agent Receivers? You won’t get both and be able to retain the Defensive Free Agents or get better Defensive Free Agents should Rogers and a few others leave.
Dip Clueless is a Fool. He’s CONSISTENTLY wrong, so you’re more than welcome to hitch your wagon to what he says if you want to but he’s an opinionist and a blowhard. He sees PM for what he WAS not what he IS. PM is just about done. I guarantee that PM will not be hoisting a Lombardi over his 4 time surgically repaired neck. It’s not going to happen.
Peyton Manning would NOT make this team instantly better. Maybe on Madden twenty-whatever. But this is the real world where the 9ers OLine gave up 44 Sacks with a Mobile QB under Center. Nobody is going to fall for Manning’s fake audibles when they can stack the Box with their ears pinned back. If you think he will that just speaks to your delusions of the talent on this team. We have alot of the pieces in place but this team needs Receivers who won’t drop the ones that hit them in the hands when they are hit in the hands. Adding Peyton Manning over Alex Smith is NOT going to fix that.
@Ceadderman
If there was ever an argument against freedom of the press, Skip Bayless would headline it.
Don’t worry Claude Balls, the Niners management is like Alex Smith, they don’t not have the BALLS , they don’t have the NUTS, to pull the trigger in getting Peyton Manning. We will be stuck with MR. Safe. Mr. Dull. Mr I don’t take risk SMITH. I hope Kaep get a chance to compete because he has the wow factor, compared to dull Alex Smith.
If there was ever an argument against freedom of the press, DS would headline it.
Did you see how well the FO drafted last year Neal? Don’t post something so dumb again. You will just make yourself look like Tully and Threeandout.
Steve Young said not to go for PM if you are the Niners so there.
See how stupid this argument is.
@midwest
Neal is one of those bloggers who should have a majority of his posts deleted. He does nothing but act like a school yard bully contributing nothing but fights.
@DS:
Neal is one of those bloggers who should have a majority of his posts deleted. He does nothing but act like a school yard bully contributing nothing but fights.
You think so? I see Neal more as the hanger on little guy who stays in the background while the bully beats up some kid and then walks up to the victim afterwards and says “yeah bitch!”
Either way claude. He even stated that he is here to fight other bloggers.
All of you Smithers just can’t stand controversy, you can’t stand that some people, just don’t think AS is the guy. We are a QB away from winning a Super Bowl, so go ahead and bash me, who cares, I guess you think Grant is a idiot too, because he wants the Niners to go after PM. Alex is well coached but his accuracy is horrific, and he can’t improvise. You guys are a few fries short of a happy meal. Damn you all are so darn thickheaded.
I managed to support both JM and SY without acting like an ass attacking either of them Neal.
You have not manged to do that Neal
Just saw all of you Smither’s going to Smitherville in that little yellow school bus. If Smith is so good, how come the Niner’s haven’t offer him a 6 year 60 million dollar deal and the contract is signed, you know why because he not going to get anything close to that, he is now looking at something at 3 years, maybe 8 million a year, and he is holding out. Holding out for what, holding a clipboard in San Diego, hanging with Uncle Norv. Gawd you Smither’s are thick.
Whatever term and or money Smith gets Meal, it will mean that you and all your small friends on here will have to endure Alex just a little bit longer. Hopefully you haters will get sick of hearing us say I told you so and the winning drives you away with Alex at the controls.
FDM,
Of course he is going to be signed, but it does not mean that much, he can be cut at anytime, or be replaced by Kaep or someone else down the road, the plan fact Smith is not going to get the contract that other QB’s are getting because he is a system QB, is enough of a victory for me.
Meal, who cares about money, term, game manager, system QB, its about winning! Thats what matters! You idiots think that you get a “victory” by the terms of the contract, just goes to show what kind of fan you are and your agenda, grab a brain moron!
@ Neal:
Wow, that’s a nice little stream of dia … tribes you spewed there. I see lots of myths, uninformed speculation and insults, but I don’t see a single citation of fact or piece of thoughtful analysis to support your claims.
DS says that you have stated that you want to battle other bloggers. Bringing a knife to a gun fight is not the smart way to go about it. You are going to have to step up your game if you want to be taken seriously.
@Claude,
Thought you were a little smarter then DS, and not take every word verbatim, I am here to state my two cents and that is it. I want the Niners to win and if I feel that we need a better QB, then I will state it.
@Neal:
The 49ers won 14 games last season.
We are both smarter than you Neal.
Oh yea Alex Smith and the 29th best offense and worst red zone and third down conversions in the NFL last year was the reason the Niners won all 14 games, keep drinking your Kool Aid Smither’s what a laughable group you are, our offense was not very good.
@Neal:
You said:
I want the Niners to win
I merely pointed out to you that 49ers did win in 2011. They won a lot of games. More games than they had won in 14 years. They won so many games that they went to the playoffs for the first time in 9 years. So the 2011 49ers gave you what you say you want.
Why then are you so pissy?
Neal, I’m not so sure you are against AS. Sounds more like you are against JH!
You Smither”s just can’t make a good argument, you all love Alex Smith but then you back up and realize that it was the defense that win games , our offense was way too inept, if our defense was bad as our offense this past year, we would be back in Rev Country.
Neal, keep crapping on coach Harbough and you are going to have some pissed Niner fans on your @ss.
@Hoffer,
I respect Harbaugh, after the last two Mike’s, what a improvement, he is at times a little too conservative for me, but we don’t have a great offense, we don’t have a QB that can throw for accuracy, who can check out more then two options and also our receivers are not great. Also I think Greg Roman needs to step up his game, if he got the Penn State job, it would not of been a great lost.
@Ribco,
Where do I bash Harbaugh, great investigating reporter.
All this pomp an circumstance regarding Peyton Manning coming to the Niners. Its nice to be a fan and wish for something but a lot of your comments are childish and non believable gibberish starting with Grant.
AS and PM have the same agent… Tom Condon. PM to the Niners ain’t gonna happen
Ray Ratto’s take on this is worth a read.
http://www.csnbayarea.com/blog/niners-talk/post/Reasons-Manning-to-49ers-doesnt-work-?blockID=665034&feedID=2800
@ed
What is really freaky is that he brings up the same arguments that I do.
I know huh? It’s always scary when you find yourself agreeing with Ratto. 28 teams in the league (including ours) must consider Manning but they must understand the risk. It’s not a no-brainer. The organization is finally on course and has a long term plan. Changing course now is for Harbaugh, Baalke and York to second guess themselves and to put the long term future of the organization on the betting table. I’d rather not suffer through another 10 years of waiting.
Pipe dream.
1. JH would not want to adjust/change his *team* offense for PM.
2. There is no guarantee there is a SB with a PM signing.
3. Any short term gain will set this team back for 5+ yrs (see Vikes after Favre).
4. The 9ers were 13-3 last year – no need to panic – JH has this team on the right track.
5. Risk you say? What happen if the teams record is less than 13-3 and they fail to make the playoffs? There are *no* absolutes in life or the NFL.
6. After 4 surgeries and a year off, even an elite HOF QB won’t be the same QB at 36 that he was at 32.
7. JH and TB have a plan – they won’t deviate from that plan for *one* player. (Remember JH’s mantra: team, team, team)
8. JH will leave his mark on the NFL by creating a top QB within his offense/system/program/plan and not by bringing in a ready-made PM to run his Indy (modified) offense.
Pipe dream.
Good list, Hofer.
We all know it’s a pipe dream, more like a pipe nightmare. Grant must have felt his last QB oriented thread didn’t get enough response.
When the team AS has signed to his deal within the next week and this whole PM craziness has blown over, the haters can move on to spinning his contract numbers in whatever crazy direction they want.
Thanks Rib. How do we know AS hasn’t signed his contract and the 9ers were waiting for the “bounty” news to die down? Now the PM news is headlines! The AS deal will get done.
50% of Peyton >>>>> 110% of Alex …
Yeah that’s about the size of things HoFer. :)
@pork
To show that I am not a dork, I’ll go first.
Here is an article from sfgate about what TD did for AS:
http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/article.cgi?f=/c/a/2006/12/30/SPGFRNAG991.DTL
That took me all of 30 seconds to find by typing
“Trent Dilfer helps Alex Smith”
into a search engine.
I did a search for
“Joe Montana helps steve young”
But have come up empty with anything resembling JM “mentoring’ SY. I get lots of JM vs SY things though.
I did find this quote from Marcus Allen about how JM thinks about SY from a Sports Illustrated Article:
“At 38. Another old-timer in the Chiefs’ locker room, Marcus Allen, 34, a Los Angeles Raider reject, had his own lake on the Montana vs. Young-and-the-49ers angle. “It’s deep, deeper than Joe will admit.” Allen said during the week, “I went through it last year here. Vindication, poetic justice. I already got mine. His is coming. He feels it even though he won’t talk about it publicly.”
That does not sound like a mentor though. More like anger and maybe a bit of hatred. Do mentors hate the ones they are mentoring Pork?
@pork
The article link is:
http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/vault/article/magazine/MAG1005661/2/index.htm
if you are interested.
Yeah, DS, often they do “hate” the ones they’re mentoring, because they see the end of their own reign. Have you never read Shakespeare? I find that hard to believe? Have you never seen Star Wars? You are SO thick it pains me not to be able to reach through the interwebs and throttle some sense into you!!!
Have you never read the definition of the word “mentor”? I even gave it to you. The origin of the word uses the word “friend”. Yet you continue to insist that your definition is more fitting. I think the word “competitor”is a much better word than mentor for the JM and SY thing.
And Luke was mentored by Obi-Wan. And loved Obi-Wan. And Obi-Wan loved his mentor and teacher as well. Even the bad guy in Episode 2 loved Yoda even after he became evil because he was mentored by Yoda.
You just proved my point there Pork.
Who in your life do you say mentored you and you feel the way SY feels about JM? Gosh, your life really has sucked if that is what a mentor did for you. When you introduce somebody as a mentor, it is meant as a sign of like and affection for the person. Not one of seething hatred which lead you to become a better player.
@Pork
So, I give you an article proving that AS was mentored by Trent Dilfer. And an article about how JM does not even want to talk about SY, and somehow you are right in that JM mentored SY and I am wrong that Trent Dilfer mentored AS.
Did I get that right?
That is how “haters” think by the way pork. They completely dismiss the evidence presented before them in favor of what they want the evidence to be, while at the same time presenting no evidence themselves about their claims besides their own lofty opinions.
Pork dude, go back to your Bong and leave Football alone.
Montana did NOT mentor Steve Young. He looked at Young as an unnecessary distraction. The information is all there if you weren’t old enough to have lived through the Dynasty era. Joe did enough with Steve because that was his job. But he wasn’t going to give Steve any help to take his job.
That simply did not happen.
Thanks for the assist Ceadd
Maybe Pork will re-evaluate much of what he wrote with your comments coming to light.
CEAdder
you’re as big a dumbsh*t numbskull as DS if you think that Joe didn’t mentor Steve Young. What, you think Joe refused to practice so long as Steve was on the field? You people are so gorddannm dumb!!! They were teammates. Steve sucked from Joe’s teat, no matter how withholding Joe tried to be.
CEAdder, how can you possibly want to ally yourself with DS/Jordo/BAF?
Hey JC thx for the assist where have you been?
“…where have you been?”
I’d wager band camp.
Just based on his play, if Alex Smith had been a third round draft pick and had not been paid so much money, would he be on the roster today as a starter?
Question is for anyone….
@bay:
After Smith agreed a few years ago to reduce his salary, I don’t think his salary or draft position had much to with anything other than fan resentment.
Sorry Bay but that is a stupid question.
The facts don’t change just because Smith doesn’t fit your expectations of a QB. In fact neither Joe or Steve would have fit your expectations and they weren’t drafted in the First round by the 9ers.
Fans wanted Steve gone before ’94. Lots of fans still to this day do not like him because he simply was not Joe.
And neither of them were perfect. They had their moments, but Neither of them ever had a full season with only 5 picks. I’m not saying that Alex is Montana/Young reincarnate. Just saying your expectations are not realistic. Neither Montana nor Young took every snap. Smith pretty much did it twice during his career. ’96 and last season. If Kappy doesn’t go into a couple games for experience Smith would have taken every snap. This is more realistic than what you’re asking.
Here is something else for you, if Smith was taken with a 3rd rounder instead of the 1st, would 9ers fans be acting all butthurt over him being a 49er? I don’t think there would be a lot of 9er fans whining about Smith had he been taken with a 3rd. I think people are peeved that he was given that huge contract. That’s what I think pisses you off more than anything. That he got a $50 million dollar contract and didn’t live up to your outrageous expectations with Nolan & Sing coaching on the Sidelines.
Lord knows those two Coaches were Hall of Fame Head Coaches.
WAHHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAH!!!
I apologize I couldn’t go any further without chortling. Nolan and Sing HoF HCs’. Geez I crack myself up. :P
If Smith was in any other franchise, he’s be bagging groceries. I cringe when I hear the 49ers owe Smith ANYTHING! I wonder what the reason would be if Brees was rumored to be coming here. When the whole football world says Alex Smith is mediocre. Compared to the 8 on a blog that thinks he the poop. Something is wrong with one of those sides. 50 grand booing a player says a lot. Just going to have to face the facts….Smith has incriminating photo’s of someone in that front office. lol jk
MD, you can’t have it both ways. You said that you were on the JH bandwagon and starting to believe in AS NOW you do your 180 degree routine. Which is it? Can you say flip flopper?!!
Compared to the coach of the year who thinks he’s all-pro ;)
But 50,000 chanting for David Carr can’t be wrong, can you md?
@ninermd:
50 grand booing a player says a lot.
Yeah, in this case, it says that they don’t know much about football. Or that they were drunk. Or both. How much had you been drinking the day you chanted for David Carr?
He’d be holding a clip board in San Diego. Right near his home.
Agenda addicted!
Claude and Ceader, one of your buddies said basically the same thing about Crabtree about a week or so ago. Funny how things change when the subject is Alex Smith.
@Jack:
I’m sorry, but I am not following what you are saying. I don’t see anything wrong with bay’s question. And who said what about Crabtree? Can you clarify?
grant instead of worrying about hits why do’nt you try to raise the level of the discourse on your site. your professional goal is to be a serious sports journalist is’nt it
You might be onto something here coach.
Maybe GC is being paid by the comment and not by a salary amount or by the hour? Number of comments = increased advertising $$$
That’s completely unecessary old coach. He wrote an opinion piece on his blog. If you don’t like the angle that’s fine but there’s no need to question his integrity.
@rocket
My interpretation of coach’s post was that he would rather Grant try to do something more to stop then name calling and such. And for Grant to get better, that would be a good start.
And I agree.
2nded DS. *thumbs up*
He insinuated that Grant wrote to solicit blog hits with his topics instead trying to promote discussion. That is questioning someones integrity in my world.
@rocket:
To be fair to old coach, others of us (me) have suggested that Grant chose this topic in no small part because it would generate a sh!t ton of comments and, thus, page hits.
Point taken Claude, but there’s no need to question a guys intentions. He wrote an opinion and posted it. What does that have to do with whether he wants to be a serious journalist or not? It’s a blog. He is trying to stimulate conversation. No need to question his intentions regarding blog hits or his future ambitions.
How many other NFL team’s message boards and blogs are sobbing for PM?
If they were business people (which NFL owners are) they would pass on this nonsense. Why? Name one successful 36 year old QB that left their initial team after being off a year rehabilitating a severe neck injury has taken another team to the playoffs and SB and has won??!
We’re (supposedly) fans hof. If we were business people, why on earth would anybody support a company that lost tons of money (games) over the past decade?
Right! If the new business plan is yielding results and the company is NOW on the right track and is making money, why change the course correct?
We are in agreement here hof.
By the way, did you see ribico had you winning a Super Bowl’ HOFer
DS, but only after 14 years on the blogs. *no one* could take that!
Brett Favre.
Oh wait.
Mmmmm
Kurt Warner.
Oh wait.
Mmmmm…
Nevermind carry on. :)
Oh wait!!!
Jeff George? o_O
Here is what I believe this comes down to. Let’s say the 49ers take a risk and sign Peyton Manning to a 3-4 year deal at $15 million/yr. That severely restricts the 49ers cap space this year and in the future to sign their own players (Bowman is a free agent next year, for example). It would also mean that Alex Smith would go somewhere else.
Best case scenario is Peyton stays healthy and the 49ers get ONE GAME farther than they did last year. Worst case scenario is they spend the money, Peyton gets hurt early in the season, and the 49ers are forced to rely on Kaepernick before they really want to. Weighing those two scenarios, do you all think it’s worth the risk?
@BamBam
CK still needs a WR to throw too to become a great QB.
What great QB do you know that didn’t have a great WR?
That’s what he’s essentially saying DS. ;)
You guys really have a special bond dontcha?
Dear Grant,
For the very first time, I completely agreed with everything you said.
Sign PM 2-3 yrs contract. CK will take over after that.
Alex, nice knowing you for the last 7 years.
This opening post and thread is proof positive of two things.
Fans make the worst team managers.
Journalists, the 2nd worst.
Signing Manning would set us back two to three years??? Hmmm…word on the street is there is a deal on the table for Alex and it is a three year deal. Hmmm..Three years with Manning, or three years with Alex. Can we get a poll? Sorry, Alex, if this were the case. I am going for Peyton.
Past history has shown that Alex plays best when the odds are stacked against him. Alex needs to be provoked to play at optimum levels.
He has been proving himself and his worth to the team for 7 years. Looks like after the smoke clears with all the Manning talk, that Alex will once again come in ready to prove himself. Alex’ albatross it seems is that he will need to prove himself throughout his career even if he wins. Not an idea and fair situation, but it is what it is.
AES, I’d be more interested to see if PM is worth all of the Favre-esque hype after not playing last year and going to a new team, players, offense, etc, etc. Fans always want instant gratification.
Agreed Hofe, I thought long and hard about the prospect of having a HOF type QB on our 49ers team. My heart says ‘go for it,’ but my brain says, ‘how do I know that he is still a HOF QB in the present?’.
That is not a resounding absolute for me. I hope the best for P.Manning, I just don’t see a ‘good fit’ for the long range with us.
Now, if PM is willing to come in at a substantial (shocking) low pay rate commenserate to his ‘present and questionable status’ rather than his past success, I may be willing to change my mind. But the underlying truth is that Payton is facing something he hasn’t faced in over a decade; He has to prove himself all over again.
Hofer, Joe Montana sat out for 2 years and then led KC to the AFC title game his first year back. Why is it so hard for the pro-Smith group to remember that?
Jack, as great as JM was he wasn’t much for KC in comparison to his HOF status in SF. He had 29 tds and 16 INTs in two years. He was the greatest ever but on the 9ers not KC. Not a good business decision to bring in PM.
One of the main arguments against Manning is that he hasn’t played in a year due to injury, he might get hurt and will be rusty. Montana came back after 2 years off and took a KC team that didn’t have a defense that is as good as this defense to the doorstep of the Super Bowl the first year back, and to the playoffs the next.
All I am saying is that the arguments against are weak considering it has happened before.
AES,
Peyton Manning is a FREE AGENT. He will work out for you before you sign him. You will be able to have him take a physical as well. You will know if he is healthy.
@AES
“Alex needs to be provoked to play at optimum levels.”
If you actually think that AES, then the Niners should hire a hypnotist and have AS think that the team is behind all the time so that the odds are stacked against him.
Of course the post game questions will really confuse the poor guy asking him how good it feels to beat some team 35-3. But, the hypnotist can work Overtime and solve that problem right on up.
I wonder if he will remember his name after a month though?
I think the team did hire a hynotist (of sorts) in Harbaugh.
The truth is that Alex played much better after almost being yanked by Singletary. And played better after his atrocious game against the Eagles (last year). Alex needs a fire lit under him to get motivated. Now, to be fair, Alex did seem to relax much more this year under Harbaugh’ coaching, but Alex has needed some prodding at times.
actually fear of failure is a great motivtor…..worked for montana, worked for rice, and probably is a transcendent quality among highly successful players
Reports are that the 49ers have an offer on the table with Alex Smith. If true why hasn’t he signed it? My guess is that they are offering him what they feel he should be slotted at, which is below his expectations. What would the Smithers do if they don’t get a deal done?
Would you blame Alex or the 49ers?
LMAO
Hofer, why are you laughing so hard? It is a possibility that Smith does not get re-signed if the sides don’t agree on terms.
Have you ever thought that all of the sweet talk from Harbaugh, caddying, etc might have been done so Alex would be so happy to play here that he would take less money, and maybe he and his agent aren’t going for it?
@jack
I am hoping that AS will reduce that salary whatever amount he has too in order for the Niners to get Wallace in here.
It is a hope, and I have no proof. But none of us has any real evidence beyond the offer that is supposedly on the table for AS.
If its true that its 3 years 10 mill. The front office are idiots. Smith isnt wanted anywhere else. WHY would you offer 10 mill a year instead of 7-8? That is one of the worst negotiation plans Ive ever heard of. NOBODY is beating Smiths door down. Not saying dont sign him, but 10 mill for a guy nobody is pushing for…….REEEETARDED!
MD, cool your jets it’s not your money!
No it’s not, but some of that could be going to that receiver we really need.
Hofer… Cool your jets. I know you dont care about what the team could do with that money, as long as your boy is happy. Way to look out for the TEAM Hof. It must be your money to throw around. WOW! Thats pathetic negotiating! You were doing OK for a bit, but now your back to being the “alex is evrything” guy again. Worthless!
oooh. here’s md, king of the internets and david carr chanter dissing the niners front office.
so when the niners DONT sign him for 10 a year, he’ll be back here saying what a chump change loser smith is.
pathetic.
MD, Paraag is playing the bad cop and he’s good at negotiating deals – not to worry – there will budget available for key upgrades.
So ribico……Smith is worth 10 mill a year…….When the only team thats wants him is the 49ers? Please answer this, so I can laugh at your dumba$$. One more thing. I have season Tix. HA HA HAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA Shows how much I hate this team. Your pathetic, And Im glad your not my accountant. Id be as broke as you are. GO NIIIINERS AND WHOEVER OUR QB IS!!! WHEEEEW!
Hoff. You dont know this. Im just saying that is a stupid offer if it’s true. Rumor is Smith wants a longer deal. I dont know why they wouldnt start lower than that a year, with incentives. That’s to much money a year for his play.
You said it, md. A guy with season tix for a team he claims is being run retardedly is THE ULTIMATE in retardation.
So go to your games and chant your boos. The rest of us will enjoy another fantastic winning season, no matter where we are.
MD, clearly you haven’t looked at QB’s ranked from #8 to #18 – check it out – AS isn’t asking to be overpaid based on other QB’s below number 8.
md, just because you pay to attend the games doesn’t say much about your fandom or knowledge of the game. Based on most of your posts one could conclude you spend most of your time in the beer line.
Production Hofer. QB’s get paid on production. Here is where your silly QBR won’t matter…
Alex last in the league in all major production, his contract offer will reflect that… Game manager money…
The annual money isn’t the key thing, the three year contract is. They don’t want to commit to five years and 20+ million guaranteed for Smith. They want the opportunity to move on without cap ramifications if they choose. If Smith thinks he is worth more, play on a one year deal again and prove it. If he does that he will have leverage. Until he does that, the team has the leverage. Just ask Dashon Goldson.
Actaully Bay, the hold up is term, not money so game manger money is a term you and that other loser 23j can say and giggle and tickle oneanother with!
If the 49ers actually let the 13th pass without having Alex signed I’ll be surprised. That would indicate they don’t believe any other team has any interest in Smith.
The NFL is a deadline driven league. We probably won’t see anything on the contract front until Monday the 12th.
Exactly. Wait and see. But I think a deal will get done.
Jack,
As much as I hate to say it, we actually agree on something. That is exactly what is happening with that contract. Smith didn’t go for the bannana in the tailpipe! But he should have.
Joe Montana, the great qb to ever play the game, was traded form the Niners after 14 years (sounds familiar huh?). goes to KC and takes the team to finish in 1st place. Next year they finish in second. End of career. Peyton should just hang it up before he can’t walk.
Hey everybody
The fat grumpy guy who wins awards for his sports writing had this to say:
“You can’t buy everything you see in the store window, damn it. And if you could have one thing, wouldn’t you rather have Larry Fitzgerald anyway?”
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Guess that makes me a fat grumpy award winning sports journalist. Or maybe I am Ray Ratto as well as JH?
In fact, that whole article by Ray is full of things that I have said.
Maybe I really am Ray Ratto!
But, that would be depressing. The guy says its a a cloudy day if there is just one little puff of a cloud in a sky of blue.
DS, Jim Harbaugh, Ray Ratto, an alien, a woman, it seems like you have a bad case of multiple personality disorder ; )
@jack
How could you forget Norm?
You need my memory pills. I know a great doctor who can give them to you. He works out of this well kept VW Bug. He is super reliable unlike those “losers” who work out of a rusty pinto. The expiration date on the pills says 01/13. But the doctor assures me that the pills are good for well over 100 years.
I have also been called prime, oneniner, FDM, ribico, and a bunch more.
It seems to me that people assign me to have multiple personality disorder, so I just play along with it. Adding my own personal vibe, and logical reasoning to really piss them off sine it is what you have to conclude if what they say is true and if you trust and like JH.
I’ll tell you though. It is freaky. If you actually read Ratto’s article, you would swear that was me. I am getting screwed all over the place Jack. You said I should get paid or a free subscription to the Press Democrat, and now I am getting ripped off by a TV station and the Chronicle to boot!
DS, we need to pair you up with Stan. That dynamic duo would be unstoppable.
The Ratto thing is pretty funny. I kinda felt the same way with Grant last week when he laid out how the 49ers would get Wallace etc. It was as if he was stealing from me. I guess great minds think alike ; )
@DS you get accused of multiple personalities because it’s hard to believe more than one person would like Alex Smith as a QB.
:-D
@Jack
I was on this Cohn blog before Stan, thank you very much.
@msc
I’m pretty sure AS’s mom and dad still like him. So that proves you wrong. lol
You’re right DS. You can’t keep up with Stan anyway. That guy is a GENIUS!!!! ; )
Wow?!?! Really?!?! I mean … I’m not suprised … but I just can’t believe that there are folks that are not even entertaining the thought of Peyton
“f!@#ing” Manning coming to the 9ers?!? Did I just walk into the Twilight Zone or somthin’?! It’s Peyton Manning for BLEEP sakes!! Yes, I know-I know …. he’s oooooold. He’s got that neck thing. He’d want to run the O his way (which is all specualtion, by the way), and he’d want a butt load-a-money (↑). But, come on!! It’s ludacrisp [sic] to say the man doesn’t have some football left in him. He’s by far one of the most dedicated and passionate football players to have ever donned an NFL uniform. This ain’t Donavan McNabb or Donte Culpepper … IT’S PEYTON MANNING!!!!! wow. But that being said … I’m behind Alex 100% :) (seriously)
Well said elGuapo .. it’s good to hear from you once in a while
Thanks NickRow!! I try to make myself relevant from time to time, haha!
You’re always relevant in these parts Gaup :-)
Peyton Onetime
Eli Twotimes
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Eli is the Better Man(ning)
HAHA!! Sho’ you right 49erGirl!! ;)
One thing this topic has accomplished is mass hysteria. Let’s all chill and really think this through.
1) Manning will not play unless he’s 100% healthy. The man is not looking to cripple himself before he’s 40. The reason he wants to play is because he’s been told he can. End of story.
2) Manning is not going to ruin a locker room or try to undermine his HC and OC. He is 36 years old, lost a year of his career which probably increased his desire to play at this point, and I’m guessing wants to win more than make money.
3) He is not an idiot. He can learn another system especially when many offenses are similar with the exception of verbiage. The Manning we saw talking non stop at the LOS in Indy was a guy who was in complete control of his offense because he knew it like the back of his hand. Any team Manning goes to will not offer him that luxury. He’s not going to sign with a team and then act like a Diva. This is one of the best competitors the league has ever seen. He will do whatever gives him the best chance to win.
Ok so we can stop with the hysterics now hopefully and look at it from a team point of view:
Manning is a HOF QB. One of the best the game has ever seen. His playoff record isn’t great but neither was Marino’s. Sometimes there are obstacles you just can’t overcome. Mannings was Tom Brady and the Patriots for many years. Any team that gets a healthy Peyton Manning will automatically become a contender because he is a difference maker. This is a player/Coach on the field. He’ll make teammates work harder, study harder and will kick their ass if they make a stupid mistake. He is a leader who won’t wilt in the face of adversity. If the Niners sign him it will be a great move imo.
That brings us to probability or likelihood of this happening which is minimal. As much as I support the move, I also understand that it probably won’t happen for many reasons. First and foremost is money. There are other teams who can and will offer more and blowing the cap for Manning at the expense of other players is counterproductive.
Second, Harbaugh truly likes and believes in Alex Smith. We can all throw our views out on this but that’s the reality. The HC wants Alex Smith and I’m guessing that will happen and I’m fine with that. Smith should improve in his second year, they will add some more talent on the offensive side of the ball and the learning and teaching will continue.
So I guess what I’m saying is, I like the idea of Manning under the right conditions, but our fallback isn’t too bad either. It’s nice to have options, which seem to be readily available when you have Coaching and talent.
@rocket
You keep harping the 3rd point, but you’re not hearing the answer very well.
I didn’t say he couldn’t learn the offense. I don’t know if anybody really has.
What I have said is why would anybody want to go to a job where you didn’t have the power and control you once and always had your whole career for less money to try to get what you already have?
And, take a look at the defenses in our division. There are no push overs. PM has been lucky in one respect in that for much of his career, he never had a really tough defensive minded division to play in. The only team which I would say was a defensive powerhouse for long were the Titans. If he came to any team in the NFC West he would go up against 3 teams with better defenses than what he is used to seeing.
And, it was in the playoffs where he had to face the tough defensive teams. And it was in the playoffs where his record is below 0.500. Much of what PM does does not work against well coached defensive squads. He tries to trick defenses a lot. But, if the defense is well coached and knows their assignments, his little trick does not work. That is why we almost beat him last time we played the Colts at Indy.
You keep harping the 3rd point, but you’re not hearing the answer very well.
I didn’t say he couldn’t learn the offense. I don’t know if anybody really has.
Sarcasm DS. I’m reading responses that state Manning will have to be given complete control, and any team that signs him will have to install the offense he ran in Indy and it’s complete nonsense. The guy wants to play and he wants to win.
What I have said is why would anybody want to go to a job where you didn’t have the power and control you once and always had your whole career for less money to try to get what you already have?
Seriously? You think he’s satisfied with one SB? That he’d rather have his ego fed than win? He’s already stated he would accept an incentive laden deal from any team that signs him. Doesn’t sound like a guy who is going to dig his heels in and demand the moon to me. Guys like Manning play to win Championships DS. He’s not going to demand anything other than being given the best chance to do that.
The stuff you wrote about how he doesn’t play well against well coached defenses is your personal opinion which I don’t agree with. The man is an 11 time probowler, has taken his team to two SB’s and won one, and is viewed by most as one of the best QB’s of all time. You can find things to pick anyones career apart if you really look hard enough. Somehow I don’t think playing the Seahawks, Cards and Rams is going to bother him too much.
Eli is better
Rocket
How does going to Miami give PM a real good chance to win? They are the real front runner team supposedly. Followed by the Redskins. Neither team was close to winning a title last year.
I’m cool with us not seeing eye to eye about PM facing tough defenses in the playoffs as a reason for his failures there, but you can’t tell me that if he wants to win a Super Bowl, that he has his mind set on Miami or Washington, can you?
DS,
Not Washington, but Miami is a pretty good team if you add Manning to the mix.
I have to go away for a few days. Have fun.
Enjoy yourself rocket!
Claude you da man.
@rocket:
Not sure what you are talking about, but thanks.
By the way, I think you have done a good job of presenting the pro at-least-consider-taking-a-look-at-Manning position in a calm, thoughtful manner and of knocking back some of the speculative arguments against the idea. Those comments help elevate the discussion.
Claude,
What you didn’t notice the Italics in the post?
@rocket:
What you didn’t notice the Italics in the post?
Completely missed them. It was so easy to follow your argument and know to what you were responding that all I paid attention to was the substance. Be careful doing that with ninermd, however. Italics make him angry.
rocket,
Awesome post!
Thanks 9ergirl. You to Claude. The best thing about topics like this is the multitude of different opinions they bring.
What a wacko idea. Pay big bugs to a 36 year old player with a bad neck. Alex Smith has proven that he can take to Niners and make them a winner. What happens if you shell out big bucks and Payton’s neck acts up and he needs another operation. We W R’s and some one who can do a days work for a days pay. Get rid of Crabgrass. He is a prima donna and did not carry his weight last season.
Would some desperate team sign Manning sans workout already and put an end to this drivel?
so why did the colts let peyton go…….i read somewhere it is because he didn’t pass their football related physical……even though the surgeons said he was OK……
anyways do i want wallace or do i want peyton…..
wallace it is if had to choose
Wallace or Peyton? Wrong question. The question should be Alex or Peyton?
peyton money vs wallace money would probably be equivalent….although the pesky 1st round pick should also be considered…
so my question stands….
on the other hand
keep AS and get a JH/roman type receiver in garcon and have a longer shelf life and pick a CB or fleener in the 1st round
Alex looks like a little boy next to Manning (literally). Check out this picture:
http://content.usatoday.com/communities/thehuddle/post/2012/03/jerry-rice-49ers-should-sign-peyton-manning/1
Lol. love that pic. considering the last time the colts played at the ‘stick, Alex *was* a little boy.
in that article rice says peyton goes to washington/miami they win 10 games becoming contenders….so what is so different from what happened last year with the niners…where they not contenders
first thing the niners needed to do was get a coaching staff to shape them into contenders….so rice’s assertion of getting peyton would be a moot point…. attaining the goal of becoming a contender has been accomplished and the niners were a couple of mishaps and OT away from nirvana… so rice’s words ring hollow
so rice’s comments although made by an NFL accomplished icon may ring true for washington or miami but …. what if niners with a 1st place schedule wins 10 games and make it to the playoffs….does the act of making it into the playoffs enough to moniker the attainment as being a contender this year as well…..and will a peytonisk 0.500 playoff record be an adequate reward as well because after all by rice’s definition a peyton niners team are contenders….or will AS have to get a little brother into the SB so AS niner team can win one….
Place odds on this. Will this Manning circus end up in a prime-time special “The Decision” a la LeBron? To announce he’s taking his talents to South Beach? Or wherever.
Come on NFL, you are missing your chance if you don’t hype this for as long as you possibly can.
@ribico,hopefully by next week ull have a avatar of alex smith holding up a washington redskins jersery!!!
lol. that i can agree on
Flip-flopping again md?
ESPN is doing a good job of doing that. BTW, ‘The Decision’ could upset some of the folks on this blog if it envolves North Beach instead of South Beach.
Nah, the other way around.
As long as Manning doesn’t take his talents to the NFC West I don’t care where he goes.
23J time refill the prescription, your getting mental again.
BTW I talked to Crabtree and he told me to tell you that his ass is getting bigger and needs to lose his junk in the trunk.
An entire coaching staff, an excellent one at that, attempted to implement an entirely new offense to this team last year, with mixed results. It is not even near rational to think that one PLAYER is going to come in and install an offense completely different than one we run now, and achieve success. I understand this article is not stating that it is likely to happen, rather it would be a good idea, that I contest. What’s best for this team now is Alex Smith, and then Scott Tolzien in the distant future.
Scott Tolzien? What? You must be from Wisconsin!
There’s no denying that Tolzein outplayed Kap during the last postseason. And by a country mile at that.
They never played in the postseason craps, but I know what you meant. Using that logic the 49ers must suck compared to the Saints since they got crushed in that first preseason game right?
Tolzien played a nice game as a Charger.
Kaepernick was perfect in the regular season.
Ahmad Brooks just said on the radio the Niners should still look to upgrade the QB position
Thats coming from a 49er. Anyone want to argue with him? Manning would be an upgrade, and anyone who wouldnt want him here “if cleared to play” just doesnt want to see this team win. Your just Alex Smith fans. Plain and simple. The 8 of you are the ONLY people on Gods green earth that would keep Smith over Manning. You can’t be serious!
But its not going to happen, but atleast we know where your loyalty is…….Its with #11. Not this team.
You calling out Harbaugh now, md? Wow, low even for you.
Talk about overpaying…
When did he say that? when i listened to him last week the only thing he said the team needed was more weapons for Alex to utilize.
Which is contradicting to what you claim he said. Im not disputing it I’m just wondering what interview you listened to.
If you are going to make audacious and outlandish statements, at least back them with factual, or at the very least tangible evidence, got it reverend? And by your rationale that makes coach an Alex homer as well, considering his support for Alex returning for the 2012 has been well documented, thus he doesn’t want Manning coming to San Francisco which means coach would satisfy your requisite for “not wanting to see this team win…”
Donte Whitner would argue with him md.
Along with the heart and soul of the team FG. And the guy who showed up bigtime in the playoffs AS. And the guy who recovered a ST fumble in the NO game Blake Costanzo.
Those are 3 big impact players who have AS’s back.
You know, once the Manning issue dies down poor Brooks is going to be even more hated by the Smithers than Crabtree.
Only if AB sucks like MC did in the playoffs.
If he plays like he did last season, nobody is hating anybody msc.
Jack, as great as JM was he wasn’t much for KC in comparison to his HOF status in SF. He had 29 tds and 16 INTs in two years. He was the greatest ever but on the 9ers not KC. Not a good business decision to bring in PM-Hof
Sound familiar Hof? Except JM was older than Smith, didnt have the defense Smith does, and if not for a bad call, would have been in the Superbowl in KC. So if JM wasnt good enough in KC, why is Smith any better here?
I love acronyms.
Actually, I would say this about those Chiefs teams. While I can’t compare defenses from different eras, I would not scoff at those Chief defenses, they were top 5 in the league and hard nosed. You have players like Neil Smith, Dale Carter, Derrick Thomas, etc. on that team and there was Marcus Allen on that team too, Will Shields blocking. Looking at that team makeup, reminds me of the 49er’s 2011 team actually.
No way Jose. Let Seattle have him so we can pound him into the ESPN wheelchair and the send the Seahawks to salary cap hell.
Gregg Williams – is that you? :-)
Besides, this team should never consider a guy whose teams have stunk in the playoffs more than they were any good. If I were to replace AS, it would be with somebody who is a proven playoff winning QB. PM is a proven regular season machine, who enters the playoffs and breaks down….ds
What has Smith proven in his 2 games of playoff football? He’s 1 and 1. Manning has more yards in the playoffs than Smith has in his career. Manning is a Super bowl MVP. So with that being said, why wouldnt you take him if he was to replace Smith? He’s a proven playoff winner! So its an improvment. I think you know there wont be another chance at a free agent HOF qb while Smith is here. Thats why you said this.
Heres a number for you, mr meaningless stats – Smith has a better playoff winning percentage than Manning, lol.
@md
PM took 4 tries to get his first win.
AS did it in his first try in spectacular fashion.
And, you really are going to go to yards? Tell you something else PM has a lot more of in the playoffs…Int’s. Lots of them and at critical times. His last Super Bowl ring a bell for you? If AS had done that, you would have massacred the guy.
I already told you which QB I would have taken. You can and have disagreed. Cool with me. But nobody has shown me anything I haven’t heard or thought of before regarding PM to make me re-think my position on him. I want the Niners to win now. I want AS to win now. Why get rid of the guy who wins?
Sorry DS but using playoff wins as a reason to rate Smith above Manning isn’t great logic.
Rex Grossman is 2-1 in the playoffs with a 4th quarter comeback. Trent Dilfer is 4-0 in the playoffs. Brad Johnson is 3-0.
Something those 3 guys have in common? They were carried by great defenses.
@msc
Which of those 3 QB’s you bring up did anything remotely close to what AS did? And against the new favorites to win the Super Bowl at that (the Saints were the new darling of all the experts heading into that game).
And how often did JM lead the Niners into the playoffs with a bad defense? Just for the sake of an argument, I would say once. But every other time the defense was good, and the offense took advantage. That is fine. They are supposed to do that.
The last problem with your argument is that you are projecting AS using those 3 guys. Only one of which is still playing. So, you have the benefit of hindsight on 2/3 to say that is all they ever did. And lets be honest, Rex was not called “clutch” and he just sucks. He lost his job (partly due to injury) in Washington to a guy who is going to lose his job to anybody else along with Rex next season.
All 3 though only had that one playoff run in them, then fizzled. Since AS just started his career (or he was reborn with JH) I can say just as easily that AS will win the next 4 Super Bowls as I can say he is like those other 3 QB’s. It is unlikely that either scenario comes true. so therefore both are equally wrong and right.
@DS where did either of us mention Montana? You keep saying that playoff wins is what counts.
I simply mentioned three really bad quarterbacks who had a better winning percentage in the playoffs than the Precious.
“Which of those 3 QB’s you bring up did anything remotely close to what AS did?”
All three of them went to the Super Bowl and two of them won it. None of them choked in the championship game.
Ds…. More games! Flat out answer. All that counts is wins right? That’s what you claim. Do you want to compare? Nope! Superbowls.. Wanna compare? Nope! MVP’ wanna compare? Nope! Ds I’ve warned up to you a bit, but you can’t go defending your boy over a hall of fame qb and their playoff stats/ record…. It’s not a smart move!
@md
“more games” right back at you.
We have seen PM play in more playoff games and playing at his best for a much longer time (over a decade) than we have seen from AS, who has 1 year of playoff history and is starting to do what he has to do due to the variety of reasons everybody has discussed.
Therefore we know a lot more about PM in the playoffs than we know about AS. Have to give AS the benefit of the doubt since he is 8(?) years younger, knows this team, and has a tremendous upside potential which JH (the QB guru by the way) sees has just now started to allow us all to see.
PM has no more upside. It is at best a flat level. With a very good chance of it being a downward slope from here on out (really his last season it started).
So, why do you think that getting a guy who is very likely on the downside of his career is a better option than the guy who (a) got you to the title game last season so you know he can do it and (b) has a lot more upside onto a team which is also on the up and up?
Do you see the dichotomy here? Team is rising higher and higher and you want to give it over to a guy who is going down and down.
Can you give me an example besides JM (and that is not nearly the same circumstances) in which such a move was made that was rewarded with a Super Bowl victory? The Vikings tried Favre, and they had a pretty good group of guys who were in their prime. A few years afterward they are now a team in a complete rebuilding mode.
And md, I have made several ‘non-smart’ moves over the course of my lifetime. Somehow I don’t think wanting AS over a HOF QB is really going to make the list of ones that are relevant. Plus, I have made a great many more ‘non-smart’ moves which later on turned out to be pretty smart. So, maybe they were smart moves after all, you think?
Thanks for your concern though.
Grant, at this point you’ve been wrong on ALL of your personnel calls. In sure many folks have said it, but I’m going to say it again. The 49ers WILL NOT sign Peyton Manning!!
1) He’s Peyton Manning, NOT God…and he’s got a busted neck. One good hit and it’s all over for him.
2) It goes entirely against everything we’ve built over the past season or two. To dump a guy whom all of your locker room rallys around is completely foolish. Harbaugh would lose all of his credibility as a “player’s coach”.
3) You can’t suddenly throw yot team away and build aroubd one guy (especially when that guy has an astronomical question mark by his name). It took Indianpolis years to finally win a Super Bowl, and Peyton was in his prime at that time. This would set our team back several years if not more, because when Peyton gets hurt, we’re screwed.
4) REALLY!? You want our guys to learn ANOTHER playbook….h3ll nooooo.
5) Alex not signing his offer yet is no reason to be alarmed. He’ll sign it, and there will only be faux-drama created by the media.
C’mon NinersRoc. Do you really thing Harbs’ credibilty would come under fire if we signed Peyton? It’s not like they’re ditching Alex for Matt Flynn, Vince Young, or Jason Campbell. It’s Peyton Manning!!! I truly believe in my heart of hearts the team would back this decision 100%. For Peyton, I believe Harbs would not come under extensive scrutiny. Any of the aforementioned, most definitely, he probably would. But there are always exceptions. And yes, your item number 1 rebuts that statement, but really?! ANY and EVERY QB is one hit way from it being all over. Doesn’t Alex have a bum shoulder?
All offseason coach has “Alex is our man” do a complete 180 would threaten his integrity. He can’t tell his guys “trust me! I say what I mean”.
Peyton couldn’t even throw the ball for real a couple months ago, he’s been out of football for a year! He’s not gonna come in and be in top form. He’s old. Those things don’t guarantee that he is completely done, but they are huge indicators of where he might be. As for Alex’s shoulder, no his shoulder is fine, and has been for years now. Peyton had a serious neck injury. There’s a chance he doesn’t even get cleared to play.
I agree, Guap (said the same thing earlier today).
Saying that the locker room won’t trust Harbaugh because the organization opted to sign Peyton Manning in lieu of Alex Smith is ridiculous.
Isn’t that like assuming a 16 year old kid will be mad after he was told he could get a nice Honda Accord…..but an incredibly fluke thing happens and he winds up getting a used Corvette instead. Yeah, he’d be totally pissed and would never trust his parents again because he didn’t get that Accord he was promised.
OK. Fair enough. But I would still go out on a limb and say for Peyton … Harbs does not lose ANY credibility. And he can’t throw a ball? Have you seen the vid of him throwing at Duke? I mean, I know he’s not being pressured and all that good stuff, but still looks good to me. But who knows. And just FYI, Peyton HAS been clear by Doctors to play. He’ll be ready.
FEB 3rd, 2012.
“Peyton Manning underwent a thorough medical re-evaluation as part of a postoperative visit with his surgeon Dr. Robert Watkins Sr. of the Marina Spine Center in Marina del Rey, Calif. As a result of this examination, Manning is medically cleared to play professional football.”
http://www.indystar.com/article/20120203/SPORTS03/202030352/Doctor-not-team-clears-Colts-Manning
Nice 49erGirl!! I’m pickin up whatchur puttin down!!
@49erGirl
I love the Accord / Corvette analogy. I was thinking perhaps Honda Civic / Ferrari would be a little more accurate :)
I’m not saying coach losing the trust of his players is the biggest concern (I listed 4 others), but it is a big concern, the problem with the car analogy is that…they’re cars NOT football players. They’re people who care about how they and their teammates are being treated. To make such a big 180 at this point would be counter to everything we’re trying to build. One of the things that every player says about coach is that {paraphrased} “you know he’s being genuine with you, and because of that you play harder on Sundays.” Now you lose that “do it for coach” mentality you get a team that’s a small set above Singletary’s 8-8 team.
All that said, we were 1-2 plays away from going to the super bowl. QB wasn’t the reason we didn’t win (not to rehash the pain of defeat). We spend all of our bucks PM then we’re left unable to address our real needs at WR. PM can make Crabs get separation. I won’t get into the “PM did this, PM did that” because that was BEFORE he had THREE neck surgeries. He may be cleared by the docs who worked on him, but he still has to pass team physicals. Even if he does, nobody knows what he’s capable at this point. To put all of our eggs in one basket is just foolish, that’s why the Colts are picking #1 right now, and that’s where we’ll be shortly.
I dont think one person thinks Alex Smith is better then Peyton Manning. There is no gaurantee that PM will take us to the Super Bowl. Do people really think with three maybe four years left in his career that he wants to play at Candelstick for two years. Doubt it. Lets just look back at the playoffs. You had three elite QBs Breeze, Brady, Rodgers. Not one of them won the Super Bowl. Two of them didnt even make it to the championship game. All three of them had good to great receivers on there team. Niners only have one good reveiver, VD and that is debatable. Of course there is Walker, Morgan, and Crabtree which at this point are average receivers, with potential to be good. Okay we bring in Manning how do we upgrade the rest of the team when he is going to command lots of money. Some say he would be okay with an incentive based contract. That sounds good but if that was true why didnt he stay with the Colts? There is just too many reasons not to sign Manning. Many of the Pro Manning bloggers are the same ones that said last year sign Kolb, and sign McNabe. We all saw how that worked out. There is zero gaurantee that Manning will take the Niners to the Super Bowl. Of course there isnt a QB out there that can gaurantee that. I am not saying Smith is better then Manning that would be stupid. I am saying I think Smith is better for the Niners in the long run. Harbaugh and Baalke seem to know what they are doing and until proven otherwise I will trust them to make the right decesions. I would like to see a dynasty like the 80s and 90s and I dont see that happening with an old QB. I dont know what CK or Tolzien will bring to the table but I have a feeling with Harbaugh at the helm they will bring everything to include the desert.
This is what we don’t have with Alex Smith. Star players around the league stating that they will follow where he goes. Reggie Wayne is in, now LT says he wants to follow Manning.
http://www.nfl.com/news/story/09000d5d827744c4/article/tomlinson-would-consider-following-manning-to-ny
I have yet to hear ANY receiver say, I want to come to SF because…… The defense is great, but the defense doesn’t throw the ball. The special teams are great, but they don’t throw spirals. Bottom line, our QB doesn’t excite anyone. And it seems the contract they gave him didn’t excite him lol. Sorry Alex, I think the 49ers offered you “game manager” money. It is what you are…
Bay I dont remember if anyone said they would follow Montana to the Chiefs. Not sure if that particular argument holds water. You have made better arguments then this one.
There was no free agency when Montana went to the Chiefs.
msclemons67 – that is true
This one has a hidden cam shot of Manning throwing to receivers. Looks like a camera phone…
http://bleacherreport.com/articles/1091225-2012-nfl-free-agent-predictions-manning-to-sf-would-be-last-piece-of-sb-puzzle
You will hear receivers say they will want to come to SF cause they can be the legit number one on a team that is close to winning. You will also hear them say they probably will be the feature pass catcher that outside of VD, would be targeted repeatedley.
You will also hear WR say they want to play for a coach who is offensive orientated and just an overall great guy. You might also hear free agent WR’s say Alex is only 28 years old, won 14 games and is on the verge of becoming one of the NFL’s best after another year in a system he is suited for. Finally after 8 years, heres a word you should staple to your head, CONTINUITY!.
What you dont want to hear is that your a fan who is fairweather where after Alex had a good game you were all I was wrong, but come the offseason, your all Alex is terrible, fairweather fan and a loser all in one !
Do you have links to sites where WR’s are saying these things?
I don’t disagree with your logic, but Bay also has a point. WR’s aren’t thrilled about playing with Alex because of his history of low production numbers, they’re more focused on winning with a good team that he happpens to be part of.
WR’s want to follow Manning because they know wherever he lands will automatically be a good spot for them as well, and will probably also be a playoff contending team just because Manning is QB.
49ergirl,
he’s talking out of his a$$. Claude perfect time for you to jump on this guy for making stuff up. Or do you just reserve that type of treatment for me?
” WR’s aren’t thrilled about playing with Alex because of his history of low production numbers”
Do you have links to sites where WR’s are saying these things?
The bottom line girl is that the history of why free agents sign is money, location, coaching, and the opportunity to be a focal point. I think every player and coach in the NFL recognizes the fact Alex Smith has had poor coaching and a raw deal in his development since being drafted. Now after a year under good coaching and limited playmakers on offense, he managed to win 14 games and play good enough to get within one game of the SB.
The other idiots that cant see that have a poor IQ for football. To say that no WR wants to come here because of AS is false, basically a lie to set up their hate agenda on AS. But for me to use the history of why free agencts want to sign with a team is pretty accuarate when you look at why Edwards signed last year and Carlos Rodgers, and Whitner. Money, climate/location, opportunity to start and be a focal point, and good coaching. Don’t tell me the free agent WR would rather go play in STL because of Bradford as opposed to going to SF to play for an instabnt contender. Lets see how well STL does in free agency for WR’s then SF because both teams need help there.
Bayarea, you get constant junk thrown your way cause you stick to the same old arguements with AS that frankly you have been using for the past two years, its all horsebeep. But then again thats what salesman do , they BS their way to making a living!
@bay:
If FDM is saying that WRs have actually said those things then, yes, I would ask him to support the claim because I believe those would be invented quotes.
But I read FDM’s comment to be more predictive or speculative. By his use of “will hear,” I interpret him to predict that WRs will say those things once free agency opens and players start visiting teams.
And although I cannot say with certainty that he has never done it, I don’t recall that FDM has made stuff up before, let alone done so repeatedly.
I hope that satisfactorily answers your question.
Claude,
You’re a damn liar and so is FDM. Cite the quotes. FDM or shut it. No receiver has said they want to play with Alex Smoth at QB. Put a link up or it’s just DS, I mean DS!!
@jordan:
Why is it you only address me when I am not here? What are you afraid of, son?
What did I or FDM lie about? What quotes? No one has claimed that any receiver has said he wants to play with Alex Smith. All FDM did was identify other reasons WRs may want to consider coming to SF, reasons that have nothing to do with the QB. His second post makes that clear. You misinterpreted his comments badly, son.
Is that the best you have? That’s the big comeback you are going with? You are losing it. Son.
Get ready to welch again.
Folks are forgetting that the Colts kicked Harbaugh to the curb when they drafted Manning. I doubt he’s forgotten that.
Even if that weren’t an issue I still wouldn’t like this move. If the team seriously pursues Manning then Smith will likely sign elsewhere. I realize that wouldn’t break many hearts but the remaining free agents aren’t any better than he is. If the 49ers miss on Manning, or Manning turns out not to be healthy, the team would be stuck with scrubs and unproven youngsters. Smith has at least shown he can avoid crapping the bed and provide the occasional big play.
If we could look into a crystal ball and know for sure that Manning would be 100% healthy in time for training camp then heck yeah, sign him. Otherwise, no way.
@msc
If I have a crystal ball, I want to see what PM does for us in the playoffs. Forget about TC and the regular season. We’ve seen what he does there.
I want to see Manning take half of the hits Smith did this year, hold on the ball and be able to proceed.
Like Mr. Dio used to sing, Most Unlikely.
the ball would be out way before he got hit.
He’ll still take the hit. And likely it will be worse. If you have the ball, you can protect yourself with your arms. But if you just get rid of it, then you expose your ribs and your chest without having your arms to shield you and take the brunt of the impact.
QB’s are most exposed the moment after they throw the ball.
the ball would be gone before manning got hit…guy has mad skillz
I would like to raise the point that I truly believe the Colts are not “getting rid” of Peyton because of his neck, or he’s getting old, or they don’t want to pay him. It’s because they have the opportunity to draft a great QB in Andrew Luck and build around him. All great things must come to and end, but you better be damn sure you’re ending that great thing to move forward with a great plan. And Luck is a pretty damn good plan if I do say so myself.
Let me put it this way. Do you honestly believe that if the Colts absolutely did not have the opportunity to draft Luck that we’d even be having this conversation right now? I believe the Colts undoubtedly roll with Manning if they DON’T have the opportunity to draft Andrew Luck. Plain and simple.
The point I’m trying to make is, the Colts are taking full advantage of drafting a great QB they can start new with and invest their future in. And not so much getting rid of a QB that no longer has “it”. It’s just the bizz and Manning knows the nature of the beast. But make no mistake. Peyton Manning is about the team. There is no I in Peyton. Anyone that watches football knows damn well that Peyton makes his team better.
So, in my opinion, I think it’s crazy to hear thoughts that Peyton is gonna want it his way or no way at all, or demand high dollar, and he’s old, and things of that nature. I understand that Harbs’ philosophy is one of a Blue-collar-stand-by-your-man philosophy, but this is a once in a life time deal! There has to be an exception, no?!? If this isn’t a time to invoke an exception, than I don’t know what is! I’m all for Alex, don’t get me wrong, but if he have a chance to vie for Peyton Manning’s services, PEYTON MANNING?!?!?! ….. man, we gotta strike or at least look his direction!!
i can buy that cup of soup….what a great opportunity for indy….
Yes I do.
No way is any player, especially an aging QB worth ,what was it…$25-28 million roster bonus.
Forget it.
Peyton would have restructred his contract to stay with the Colts. The financials could have been worked out. I completely agree with Guap. Without the assurance of getting Luck (say the Colts had the 2nd pick in the draft), they would have found a way to keep Manning on the team.
Hey DS, please give it a break. It makes you look bad to bash a HOF QB in an attempt to make Alex look good.
Nick
Ray Ratto basically has said the same things I have said.
And if the financials could have been worked out, they would have been. And if PM is as good now as he was 6 years ago, they would have either paid the man, or restructure the contract.
Since neither happened, the Colts want to part with their franchise, and why do that if he is as good as he was before?
I for one don’t care about Ray Ratto’s take on Alex Smith. I’m sure you’d say the same had he bashed Smith.
By the way, if the Colts didn’t have the 1st pick in the draft (to assure them of a shot at Luck or RG3), PM would still be a Colt.
Alex is an Unresrricted free agent!!! It’s not like JH is cutting him….there’s a contract on the table that hasn’t been signed yet, go after Manning now!
@big niner
Read the article from Ray and you’ll have your answers.
http://www.csnbayarea.com/blog/niners-talk/post/Reasons-Manning-to-49ers-doesnt-work-?blockID=665034&feedID=5884
Grant,
Well done! You threw out a provocative argument and got over 500 posts in response. And, you didn’t even have to go on vacation and leave your site idle for a week to hit that total. That’s the blog equivalent of a grand slam home run.
Despite what anyone may think of Alex Smith’s weaknesses or strengths, there is not the proverbial snow ball’s chance in hell that Peyton Manning will be playing for the 49ers. That’s a pipe dream. We all need to get a grip and stick to reality.
Yes. It is. But it’s a fun thought to entertain. :)
400 of them are DS trying desperately to prove that he’s really good buddies with all the Niners greats!
Another 50 are from you Pork insisting that JM mentored SY and not providing any evidence for the claims.
AS is a regular car, Manning is a F1 car thats the difference.
AS needs to get out he is a cancer on our franchise cuz there are still extremists who defend him for no reason.
I wouldn’t call him a cancer. But PM is wayyyyyyyyyyyyyy better
Anyone who thinks AS is better than Manning should go to a shrink
lol
I am torn. Manning is a great QB, and I don’t know if Alex Smith will be anything more then mediocre. Manning is old, hurt, and unproven on what he can still do. Smith has had seven years, and although he did better last year, I have said it before, I don’t think he is the answer. I seriously doubt they go for Manning anyway. Too much money to put out.
manning is worth more than 300 million. I don’t think it’s about the money. It’s about the rings now.
Huhhh
PM is worth 300 million? Is that what he has in the bank or what you would be willing to sign him to a contract for?
And, it should have always been about the rings. If it wasn’t for him, then that explains why he only has 1.
The team that pays Manning is not thinking about the Super Bowl. They are thinking about putting butts in the seats and selling jerseys. The next time Manning goes to the Super Bowl it will be to watch it, maybe even broadcast it.
yes, if he goes to a garbage team. But in SF we’re a good offense away…
The garbage teams are the only teams for which signing him would make economic sense. It would better for us if we put our cap money into a great receiver who can get open. A $14 million QB with no one to throw to does not make any sense.
Dennis, well said, build around the areas of need. Dont give up on a 28 yearold battled tested QB who finally is in a system with coaches who know how to make it work. Manniing as great as he is or was, is a risky gamble ta take.
@Dennis:
I have to respectfully disagree. A team with lots of holes to fill will be more hampered by giving a big cap-eating contract to Manning than will a team that already has most of the pieces in place. The former will still have lots of holes to fill and no cap room to do it. The latter will have used its cap space to fill one of its few remaining needs with an elite player.
The foregoing assumes that Manning can return to form (or a reasonable approximation thereof), an assumption I don’t think one can make at this time.
Of course, if Manning doesn’t return to form, then the “garbage” team is in even worse shape. It will have blown its $ and cap room without filling any holes.
For those reasons, signing Manning (1) does not make sense for a bad team and (2) makes the most sense for a team that doesn’t have a reasonable expectation of contending for the Super Bowl without Manning, but that would have such an expectation with Manning.
@claude
Outside of this blog, the rest of the football world is thinking PM is most likely to end up in Miami or Washington. Possibly the Jets.
All 3 of those teams have some pretty big holes. Especially Miami and Washington.
@DS:
I am not sure what point you are trying to make.
@Claude
That PM is not/will not come here.
@DS:
There are plenty of reasons that Manning won’t come to SF. The fact that the rest of the football world speculates he will go somewhere else is not one of them.
By the way, reports coming out of DC state that Manning has already let the Redskins know he is not interested in playing for them.
is it me or does grant just hate alex smith lately? this is like the second or third article in his last couple of bloGS that are just pointed at hating on alex smith
The rookie writer is just trying to increase the volume of hits on the blog. You dont see the good writers use Alex every other day, why? Cause they are established.
It lets the hater fans or what I call “fairweather fans” have a forum to spew their incompotence over, and over, and over, and over……again!
Grant doesn’t hate Alex, but the Cohns have never been his staunchest supporters, ever…
Thx, bud. Sorry, had it up to here with that goon.
Not going to sort through the over 500 comments, so my apologies if this has been mentioned. The biggest reason, if not the only reason, that Manning isn’t going to be a Colt anymore is his health. Why would any team, let alone the Niners, just close their eyes and roll the dice in the hopes PM is healthy enough to give them 2 or 3 good years? Not to mention the entire offense, coaching staff included, needs to learn a new offense, again.
No, sorry. Wrong. Biggest reason is Andrew Luck – as pointed out by Guap.
NickRow, you think that the Colts would rather have an unproven rookie than a healthy PM?
@Sean
Why wouldn’t they want both if money and ego were not involved?
DS, I thought that they’d keep PM and have AL learn under him like the Packers did with AR. The huge bonus that PM was due I’m sure played a roll considering no one really knows his health status and if he’ll even be close to what he was. My belief is his health was the number one factor in his release, otherwise why get rid of a HOF QB when you don’t have a known option to replace him.
@Sean
“I thought that they’d keep PM and have AL learn under him like the Packers did with AR.”
That was my point. Pork and I got into a little something about mentoring your successor. PM could do that if he wanted. If he/Colts really wanted too, why couldn’t the Colts release PM (like they did) have him enter the FA market, then pick him up after he does not sign after x days with a new team under a new cheaper contract that allows PM to become a Colt again and at the same time really coach up Andrew Luck on the finer points of being an NFL QB?
Why wouldn’t that be an option? I think it would be legal. To cut a player, and have them re-sign after they don’t go anywhere under a new contract agreement with the team that cut him.
It wouldve cost the colts $51 million next year to keep Manning and Luck next year. Hopefully that answers your question why Manning is no longer a Colt. He may have 2-3 years left in his career. Do you pass on luck and not have a franchise QB in 3 years?? Cmon man!!
@Jordan I sorta disagree they couldn’t have kept both because of the huge salary. If it was the #1 overall pick salary from before the lockout, then yes, having both would have been cap prohibitive. However, Luck’s salary would average about 5-6mil at most for the top pick in the draft. 5-6 million would prevent them from keeping 1 good player, but at least its only 1. If both Manning and Luck are paid $51 million combined for the Colts salary cap, then that means most of the cap money is to Peyton. That means both Peyton and the Colts agreed to push a big amount of the contract towards 2012, when they knew they had some good amount of players that would become free agents. Its not because of the money that Manning isn’t a Colt, its more because Manning is an injury-prone risk and they have a viable option to build for the future to replace him.
@jordan:
It wouldve cost the colts $51 million next year to keep Manning and Luck next year.
How do you figure that Luck would have cost the Colts $23 million in 2012?
So I have read on other sites of people saying Manning and Harbaugh would not be a good fit because Manning calls his own plays at the line of scrimmage. Didn’t Luck do the same thing when Harbaugh was at Stanford? I’m not saying lets go out and get Manning and forget about Smith. I am saying lets look at everything before we say yes or no to Manning or Smith.
+1
People are completely convinced that if PM signs here, we’d have to re-do our offense for him. Who believes that? I don’t. The guy has only known one offense his whole NFL career. I doesn’t make him stupid. He can learn just like anyone else. He might even excel at the WCO. Just think of his quick reading ability and even quicker release.
I’m tired of people saying, he’s one hit away from retirement, blah blah blah. So was Steve young!! The offensive line can give him enough time since he’ll get rid of the ball quicker than Alex. It’ll take pressure off of Gore and maybe add some years to his body that is done in my opinion. Gore’s running on fumes and PM would fill his tank to 1/4. PM would make everyone around him better. The Wr’s, TE’s Rb’s and o line. Its an immediate boost!! CK would also benefit from it. He’d learn from a hall of famer instead of wondering when he’d see the field behind Alex. We didn’t pick CK just to waist a pick, not to mention Tolzien…..we don’t even know what we have with these guys.
I think PM would excel in the WCO, just like Joe did!!! yes I said it. quick release, stronger arm and command of the huddle plus respect from the defense. Just imagine him with a grasp of the offense, at the line of scrimmage, tinkering with the defense calling audibles and doing that whole arm and body motion thing he does. He’d be the perfect compliment to JH, another mad scientist!!! Don’t forget that Roman was a horrible play caller. I didn’t like a lot of his calls!!!!!
PM for president!!
@big niner
What other WCO QB can you think of who is/never was mobile?
Big Niner,
That is keeping it reL from a true. Niner fan perspective. The people that don’t want manning here aren’t Niner fans, they are alex smith fans. Listen to the Manningscuses they give for why he couldn’t lead this team.
Someone as stupid as DS citing his playoff record! He didn’t have our defense and special teams. Manning has the table set with this team. he can be 1/2 of what he has been and we still are in better shape than with Smith.
BORING!!!!!!!!!!
Jordan – come on man, think about what you are saying. I have been a niner fan longer then you have been alive. I dont want Manning and it has nothing to do with Alex. And yes I do like Alex, I dont think Alex is elite and I certainly dont think Alex is better then Manning. The people are trying to tell me that we get Manning that we are going to the super bowl and winning it. I dont believe that for a second. Now if you want a new QB the guy from the Packers would be much better for the Niners then Manning. And I didnt say he was better then Manning.
For those who have tired of the Manning debate, I offer you this analysis of NT/DT run-stopping prowess:
http://www.profootballfocus.com/blog/2012/03/08/2011-run-stop-percentage-interior-defensive-linemen/
Isaac Sopoaga finished tied for 7th best in the league last year.
Soap is a beast. He’s the anchor of the front 7
Grant i’m not sure if you are around this morn but i have a question for you. In writing this blog do you consider it primarily op ed writing or reporting? I ask this because the other blogs IE: barrows miaocco branch etc. they seem to do alot more reporting than they do editorializing. also i was curious how much time you spend at 49ers headquarters each day?
That is a point that I have tried to make. If this is an editor type blog then I have zero problem with it. If this blog is a reporter type blog then I have problems with it. An example is Grants dads comment about this subject. Reporters are suppose to report the news, editors offer their ideas and thoughts. Grants dad is a reporter and should not be editorializing. I do believe Grant does a better job then his dad does. My question for Grant is, are you a reporter, editor or a blogger or all three?
actually lowell cohn is a columnist which makes his writing primarily opinion while a beat writer is reporting. i would describe miaocco barrows and branch or lynch as beat writers. thats why i was wondering if grant considered himself more of a beat writer or a columnist
I second that definition coach.
It is my observation that papers give their best reporters the column pieces. So, a reporter can express their opinion in a column more freely than he can anyplace else in the paper. Maybe it’s just me, but that is how I see it.
ok got ya
Big niner i totally agree with you.
Baalke should contact him this would make him a big fish in our organisation first in getting Harbaugh and than couping Manning cuz sometimes you need to be agressive otherwise you are a grey franchise who only likes to stand still.
Someone tell me this,
Why are the Niners only offering Alex Smith a 3 year deal if TB and JH believe he is our franchise QB. If JH and TB are seriously convinced in Alex Smiths potential, why not give Smith his 5 year $50 million deal???why is it a 3 year deal?? Smith is only 28. Clearly Alex is allegedly the Franchise QB. Kaep can’t win the job from the franchise right? Please tell me why the Niners aren’t giving the franchise QB what he wants??
News flash, JH and TB are not sold on Alex Smith. JH has told everyone what he did to boost Alex up and now he is contradicting himself by offering Smith a 3 year deal. Alex has apparently stopped drinking the JH Kool aid as well. He realizes that JH was blowing smoke up his behind and if JH really meant what he said, he’d give Alex his 5 year $50 million deal. Wy is that contract not signed???
We clearly have a rift in the Alex Smith , JH relationship. Alex has been betrayed. Ingress he won’t be caddying for JH anytime in the near future.
I guess**
You tell me this:
>>Alex Smith a 3 year deal
Where is your source for that?
That is what has been reported by CSN, by kevin lynch on knbr 10 minutes ago. By Espn through a source with the Niners. Smith wants a longer deal and more guaranteed money.
Ribico,
Here the link Lil fella.
http://www.rotoworld.com/content/playerpages/playerbreakingnews.asp?sport=NFL&id=3119&line=229231&spln=1
Ribico… Read something else besides this blog stupid! Proof that all you do is hide behind your computer with your finger muscles!
OK, Isn’t this supposed to be a source of Niner news? Lately, just a fount of speculative crap.
So where are these reports of a 3 year deal? I don’t see it on Maiocco ether.
@ribico
From such reliable sources as us other bloggers, thats where.
Get with the program rib. AS is toast. JH is on the hot seat. JY made TB be a cheap scape and we (bloggers) are the solution.
DS, it doesn’t matter to the haters what the final contract numbers are.
Low $ and fewer years and it’s an indication of:
a. The team has no confidence in AS as their long term answer
b. AS doesn have the balls to ask for respectable starter money. Just another example of his low self confidence. You know, that part of him that needs a bash on the shoulder pads before each game.
High $ and more years:
a. the Front Office is insane to commit to x years, y dollars for JH’s caddie.
b. Alex is a selfish oaf, robbing the team of cap space to aquire of ther playmakers.
What do your “sources” say?
@ribico
“..the Front Office is insane to commit to x years, y dollars for JH’s caddie.”
Well, Jed can’t be made to look like a cheap scape right now. He can do that after the stadium is built and they charge $10 for a tiny little hamburger and $15 for a small soda.
And since the haters have never lied or been wrong in anything, they claim that I am the president of the AS fan club, and logic and reason (which they claim to use unlike the smithers who only use emotion) stands that the president of such a club is the guy who convinced AS to come back, and that person is JH, and that person is me. (If that sounds ridiculous, then ask the haters about it. Since I don’t know any football).
So, my sources tell me that we have over 600 posts about a QB who I don’t want on my team and that AS is coming here and we are going to win with AS.
Your right Rib, whatever scenario plays out with AS and the contract, it will be met with a flury of hate never seen before by the haters.
I cant wait to hear the BS then!
I think that the Niners will probably give Alex a 5 year backloaded contract eventually. I wrote an analysis of it on Niners Nation:
http://www.ninersnation.com/2012/3/7/2851074/what-will-alexs-contract-look-like
Nice write up mood.
I basically agree with the length and with it being back-loaded and cap friendly to make changes as necessary. I don’t know/have an opinion at all on the guaranteed money.
I would add that I think AS will be willing to change his contract if it allows the team to get a real #1 WR for him to throw the ball too, and who ideally will catch it for a change. And perhaps that is what both the FO and AS are thinking and a reason why the deal has not been finalized.
No way does AS want to go to a new team and a new coach. He made his feelings very clear in his acceptance speech of JH’s HC of the year about how important a quality HC is.
And just as equally, I don’t see JH not wanting AS back. Not after he convinced him to come back here, gave him his playbook(!) showed faith in him and helped him mature as a QB and giving him the highest of praise calling him “elite” and “Pro-Bowl”. He didn’t say that about everybody.
@ Mood Indigo:
Thanks for the link. Your analysis is rational, objective and meaningful, and you provided support for your position. Thanks for informing the debate.
I also appreciated the link to the nyjetscap.com article. I would be curious to see the numbers for the weighted average version of his rankings. Is he thinking about putting that out?
In reading the comments to your Niners Nation piece, I noticed that you also posted a link to the following feature, in which Jimmy Raye, Mike Martz and Norv Turner discuss Alex Smith:
http://www.nationalfootballpost.com/NFP-Sunday-Blitz-5497.html
the franchise tag was thrown out the window years ago when AS took his pay cut…
nobody(ok let’s just say me) is saying AS is the franchise QB….niners front office is wading through the waters for now with their fly rod…catching the fat juicy ones with skilled knowledge of the river’s eddies caused by rocks and shore structure….
so arguing about contracts and associating with franchise tags is not a basis for argument….
Funny, the Smithers have not answered the question. Why has Smith not signed the deal on the table?
BECAUSE NO ONE KNOWS WHAT DEAL IS ON THE FinG TABLE.
Is that clear enough for you. Jeez.
@ribico
Maybe if you bolded the last post, it might help 23J.
Doubt it. He needs medical and psychological help first.
Oooh look, shiny!
Once everybody has realized they won’t be getting a pony for their birthday, Grant can you get back to 49er news and discussion that has an actual bearing on the team?
I would like a piece about Adam Snyder and where he fits in on this team. When he played, the Niner OL (Davis in particular) was much better.
Supposedly A. Snyder may not be resigned or get his starters job back. I would like Grant to discuss his thoughts on that matter. Especially if we are talking QB and WR. They all need time to be any good. And they can’t be good without a good OL.
Why was it Davis did so much better with Snyder in the game?
ribico … easy there fella. 99.9999999999999999% of folks here know damn well that Peyton Manning is NOT … I repeat … IS NOT signing with the 9ers. It’s just not going to happen. We know that. But it’s fun to discuss. So please. There’s no need to patronize.
I’ll try to refrain, ElGuapo.
After all the insults and counterinsults this topic has generated, I think mere patronization is pretty mild, don’t you? ;)
Tuche’ ribico!! :)
He cant help himself. He feels big puffing out his chest typing like he would really do something in person. It makes his lonely home life an after thought. Here he can stand up for himself with no repercussion. He can’t have his opinion at home… So he’d be damned if anyone else will. He doesn’t realize Alex smith could give two *****s about him and every other “bodyguard” on this sight.
One more thing ribico… I have season tickets ha ha ha ha ha haaaaa! Your another fraud of a 49er fan! Truth! Deal with it.
md, You know even less about me than running a football team, and that is saying very little. But do let your imagination run it’s course like you have during the PM discussion.
And after hearing that that ‘Stick chant for Carr, believe me, season ticket holder status is nothing to be proud of.
Cant fully agree with you jordan i still think Harbaugh believes in AS, Baalke on the other hand he was not so convinced of AS before we hired Harbaugh, i think Harbaugh needs to put the feelgood show away and not comparing himself as a QB with AS, he needs to think about winning a SB with a guy like Manning or Brees or whatever
i would like to read more on negotiations with snyder or rogers. are the 9ers even talking with rogers? will they wait untill after mar 13? grant use your sources at 49er headquarters to find out about things that might actually happen. what pro days have baalke or harbaugh attended?
old coach, I think Snyder is kinda getting lost in the shuffle(by the fans, not the front office). A guy like that who can play all positions on the o line is very valuable.
We all know how well the colts did last year without manning. That’s all!
@md
Don’t you think that at least a good part of the problem lies in the fact that PM was the system, and with PM not there anymore, there was no system?
Nope it’s simply because he didn’t play. They have a system. Manning just knows it better than the coach. From a playoff team to the number 1 pick in one year. Hmmm coincidence? I think not! Manning is a beast and IF he came here it would be a sure fire Super Bowl! Bottom line! But we will have to “hope” smith improves to at least 70 percent of what manning is to get that Super Bowl. Harbaugh better get it right Alex too! No more excuses after this season especially after we sign Jackson :-)
@md
@md
I heard the Indy HC (former) say during an interview that he couldn’t help the kid because he (HC) didn’t know the offense. Apparently he included the OC as well.
If that doesn’t mean that PM is the system, then I don’t know what does. A HC/OC may have difficulties losing their star QB, but they should at least be able to help the back-up understand the system. From that interview it seemed to me that they didn’t. And that PM was the one trying to help the kid learn it more than the coaches were.
If he could do it for that guy, then why can’t he do it for AL as well?
Apparently????? That’s not a fact ds… So your “fridge has no butter”! Who’s to say wherever manning goes he won’t roll with that offense? He did play on the same team for 12 years! You can’t stand on apparently’ ds.
That is pretty funny md.
The “Apparently” had to do with the back up QB not having any help from his coaches at a level conducive to what is required for him to have a chance.
I don’t know what you area talking about in your reply since my post was more about the HC/OC not helping the kid out, and not about PM learning a new system.
But, your post is quite funny.
miaocco is reporting that the 9ers have made an offer to larry grant [grant scooped by miaocco again]
Don’t be a old gieser Old Coach, Miaocco has been doing this for years and he has the inside sources, Grant only 24 and is new to the game. and won’t have the resources that MM has until he grows into the position, were you all that successful at 24.
i understand what you’re saying i just want to encourage grant to do more reporting and less editorializing
Fair enough old coach.
I know I suggested going after PM right after the loss to NYC. I stand by it now. Granted the Niners almost went to the SB anyway and looking back AS had a good year. He made some plays and he will get better. I think it goes beyond winning the SB but being a great team. If PM still has any gas left in the tank, the Niners, with that defense, and some playmakers on O, like FG, VD, and MC who has the same body type as Reggie Wayne, they could be un stoppable. Pierre Garcon is a FA and can come here. Trent is smart, so I’m sure he’s putting something together for PM if anything, to get AS to accept a low ball offer, which won’t be a bad thing because then we can sign some other good players. But if PM can play, then we don’t need other great players because we would have solved on big piece of the puzzle. We just need 2 years from PM until CK is ready.
Bet this is what’s being considered and talked about. JH was a Colt too!!!!
“But if PM can play, then we don’t need other great players because we would have solved on big piece of the puzzle. We just need 2 years from PM until CK is ready.
Great. Then what about CK when he inherits the job? Will he be as good as PM is? Because if he isn’t then he will need some great players to assist him. And if PM does not win us a Super Bowl, we will have lost out on a great chance, and have to start putting pieces around CK that were absent and not needed (according to you, not me) when PM was here. How long is that going to take?
You may have been a fan since 77 but you don’t seem to have a plan beyond 2 years.
can get those weapons for CK in first round this year and first round next year….build through the draft and it is less expensive….meantime PM can make those newbie weapons relevant…
just sayin logic is multi-directional
Or you can get those same weapons for AS or CK. No need for PM at all.
If you build thru the draft, the player has to go to the team that drafted him (-EM deal)
JG,
Did BS forget That we had the draft and free agency. What is wrong with this guy? BS knows nothing about football. He is an alex smith cult member!!
>>JH was a Colt too!!!!
Yeah, a Colt that was dumped once they signed Manning. How much love is lost there?
We all know the niners are gonna stick with Alex to their demise. He’s been around almost ten years, they will give him ten more…
please keep manning out of the NFC WEST….please
3rd,
I Second everything you said. This guy Smith is like a cat, 9 lives.
3 years ago I would’ve said “AT ALL COST GET EM!” But not now! It doesn’t make sense to do so. The 49ers have something special here and we’re small steps away from turing this thing into something pure magical. Right now we need to focus on WR, TE (Delanie got lost last year), RB (Frank is getting old and Dixon may not be a good backup to Hunter). I’m sure Baalke will stay focused right now and get us the guys we need to win the super bowl.
This storys legs are broken. Aint gonna happen. Lets move on.
Grant has to actually do that razor.
A link showing the potential down side to grabbing PM.
http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/2012/writers/kerry_byrne/03/07/peyton.manning/index.html?sct=nfl_t11_a5
Excellent read, Sean. And I’m sure that thinking is right there with this team’s decision makers.
It is summed up in one sentance: “It all depends on how desperate they are.”
The niners are *not* a desperate team by any measure.
I’ve read “pipe dream”, “nonsense” and “mental masturbation” and have to add “Joe Thomas Syndrome”. Some of the folks in here would sign OJ Simpson and Nate Davis as an alternative to the 14-4 team that was two muffed punts away from the SB. We should be talking about singing Ted Ginn, Jr. to be our PR/KR for 2012 rather than wasting time on the currently flawed yet still expensive Peyton Manning coming to the Niners.
Amen bro! I do not understand letting Ginn hit free agency. Head scratcher.
@Razor: Who do you think Baalke sees as our starting PR/KR in 2012 if Ginn. Jr. gets signed away next week? Guy took a pay cut and was one of the top returners in the league. The short field position he gave the Niners was a huge plus, right?
No clue dude. Just hope its not Williams.
Doing the same thing over again expecting different results is the sign of Singletary not Harbaugh, I hope.
i think ginn might still feel he can be more than a return specialist and might be looking for more money. he is a hell of a returner though
Obviously nobody but Ginn knows what he is thinking but in SF he knows the team is serious about Special Teams. He also saw first hand how a WR who sits sixth on the depth chart can start in the NFC Championship. TG gives the Niners that reverse sweep play on offense too. Pay the man already!
Continuity please! I have all the respect in the world for Peyton and his achievements, but my opinion is that we have spent the last decade in the doldrums, praying for some stability and continuity, when we finally achieve that very thing, there seem to be plenty who want to rip it all up and head off in another direction.
Alex Smith’s career is unique in the annals of the NFL, I can’t think of another Quarterback EVER who has been through the same cr@p that Alex has battled through, now we finally have continuity in place, now is the time to stick with what we have, to fine tune it. This is a team that at the most needs a gentle tweak, Signing Peyton would not be a gentle tweak, more a purple nurple, the adaptation period would basically consign all the hard work done over the last year to the dustbin. The size of the contract would mean that the teams depth would be compromised. No thanks!!
If we are going to wast time dreaming of signing a marquee free agent, why drool over a nearly has been QB in Indiana who’s on the downside of his career, why not drool over a massively destructive Defensive End in Texas who is just approaching his prime?? Y’know?!? if we are going to destroy our cap why not sign a man who could make this defense genuinely Legendary!!!!
Sod Peyton, sign the man named after an Italian Plummer!!
Im standing and clapping right now based on your comment!
And if smith fails and doesn’t get better than last year? What’s the continuity good for? This is still a question mark season. So continuity cant be used again. It’s a freeing HOF qb were talking about here. Not an old has been that’s washed up. His numbers have declined why? Because the team around him has… He’s never had a team like this one in sf! Period. He would have been the key we were missing last year for that Super Bowl!
@md
Maybe PM hasn’t had a team like this one.
But, I know for certain that PM has never had a WR core as bad as this one either. If you are a QB, what great WR do you have here? PM has a few years left tops. He doesn’t have time to hang out waiting for MC to mature.
What we have here is almost the exact opposite of what PM ran in Indy.
@ninermd:
It’s a freeing HOF qb were talking about here. Not an old has been that’s washed up.
The two terms are not mutually exclusive. Peyton Manning has had 4 neck surgeries in the past year, nerve damage and a weakened throwing arm. How are you so sure that he is not finished? Because you saw 30 seconds of grainy cell phone footage filmed from a distance?
@D.Clark++++++++ i’m not sure AS is the answer but thats why we have CK in the wings. i think for the first time in a long time we have a long term plan in place. in Baalke and Harbaugh we trust
i reckon no-one is sure if Alex is the answer, I think that’s why this is comment number 5’681 or something. It’s why i love sports, you just don’t know whats gonna happen. I know this tho, i don’t think there is a person in the whole sports world (and i watch a LOT of sports) that i would be happier to see reach the pinnacle of his/her profession, cos if he does, my worD he will have earned it!!!
What, you didn’t have any idea the Niners would go 14-4 in Harbaugh’s 1st year with Alex at QB and a lockout to throw a wrench in the works???
Here’s an interesting Kevin Lynch article with a couple comments about Smith at the end.
http://blog.sfgate.com/49ers/2012/03/07/49ers-showing-little-interest-in-peyton-manning-and-for-good-reason/
that’s “recent” comments
@niner61
Funny. That is what myself along with quite a few others have been saying as well.
Are we all crazy? Or are all just the same person? Judging by this blogs history, I suspect both reasons will be stated for those who agree with the article.
Free agent rankings by position….
http://www.nfl.com/news/story/09000d5d82776cb3/article/positionbyposition-look-at-nfls-top-free-agents-in-2012?module=HP11_hot_topics
If the Niners aren’t able to get CR resigned I’d like to see either Brandon Carr or Courtland Finnegan. I’ve heard good things about Carr and I think Finnegans aggressive style would fit in with the Niners aggressive defense.
from what i’m hearing carr and finnegan will each get more money than rogers because of age
True and I’m not sure where they’re sitting for cap space and whatnot. Looking forward to free agency starting up and seeing what the Niners have planned.
Niners know they can get Alex cheap because there is no demand for him in free agency. He eis about to be a fee agent in 5 days. I’d advise his agent not to wait by the phone for Smith calls. They’ll actually be for Peyton Manning. Maybe you Smithers might be able to put in a call to Tom Condon for Smith.
” Hello this is T.O. Tom.” Just checking to see if Alex Smith is still available??” ” I need a QB for my team I own down here in Texas.” “No, not the Cowboys, the Allen Wranglers!” ” Give me Smiths number,” ” Tell him I need him to caddy for me too!”
There you go, hating on Harbaugh again.
@jordan:
Look at you, whistling past the graveyard. That’s so cute.
http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2012/03/08/length-of-deal-holding-up-alex-smith-contract/
Hofer,
question for you. How can someone be called the long term QB of the team yet only be offered a three year deal? If someone is truly your long term QB and you can get em on the cheap, wouldn’t you assume that they would wrap him up for at least five year since he’s only 28? Unless…… he isn’t the long term QB….
It is being called a “lack of commitment” by the Niners to sign Smith…
http://www.nfl.com/news/story/09000d5d82778872/article/smith-reportedly-wants-more-years-in-49ers-contract-offer?module=HP11_headline_stack
Talk is cheap, when it comes down the the business side of things it tells you exactly where you stand…
Not Hofer
I know TXT, I am asking Hofer since he keeps spouting off that Harbaugh said Smith is the long term starter…
Compared to what you’ve been spouting, Hofer is a model of foresight.
So why ask after my link?
I happen to disagree with signing PM, and I think you are overreacting to these news stories.
Rather then get into the PM bidding contest for a QB that is possibly one hit from retirement, would it not make sense to resign CR, JM. TG, and the rest of our own free agents?
Rather not be drawn into the anyone but Alex Smith debate.
I trust that the front office will do their job and sign who they think is best, maybe you should too.
I’m sorry your simply a idiot if you think niners shouldn’t sign Peyton. People say Alex smith took the 49ers to the nfc championship. Wtf? Do u people watch niner games. There defense put them on there back all year! No rushing tds all year! Did anybody actually realize why we really lost against the giants. Because Alex smith couldn’t pick up a first down on 3rd down, EVER!. Alex smith is a under average QB period! There’s 12 qbs in the league better than him and peyton is one of them.
old coach says:
March 8, 2012 at 10:54 am
“i understand what you’re saying i just want to encourage grant to do more reporting and less editorializing.”
And yet Old Coach, Grant may have the largest 49ers blog following in the region. If we want inside and concise reporting this blog may only present provide tidbits, but what it does allow is a platform for us to present our cases. We may agree, dissagree, rant, rave and complain, but we have a platform. Although we come together like a disfunctinal family, we are still 49er Faithful at the end of the day.
Thanks Grant…
I say the 49ers should try and sign Peyton Manning. He is a great quarterback & is good in the redzone were the niners had a little trouble in last year don’t get me wrong Smith did a hell of a job last year but the niners have a great offense & I think Manning can get the niners more points on the board
Niners would have been crazy to pass this up!
The reason why Smith was sacked so many times last yr was because he couldn’t read a defense nor his own offense. Haurbaugh was so frustrated with AS last yr, look at some games and see the anger on Jim’s face when AS couldn’t handle a simple post pass patern. I challenge anyone to show me one game from last yr where AS was able to corner drop a jump pass in the end zone. No timing, no guts and no skill…..