I’ve posted the transcript of Jim Harbaugh’s Wednesday press conference, courtesy of the 49ers, below.
Here are the salient points:
- The Niners never “pursued” Peyton Manning, they merely “evaluated” him.
- If they had signed Manning, they wouldn’t have paid nearly as much as the Broncos paid – $96 million over five years.
- If they had signed Manning, they still would have signed Alex Smith, and the two would have competed for the starting quarterback job.
Here’s the transcript:
When you get guys who are switching from one side to the other, what’s the benefit there? Is it just to gain them some knowledge, say if it’s a DB playing wide receiver, is he gaining knowledge on how to be a better DB, or is it something you want to see that, “Hey, maybe we can sneak him in somewhere?” Or is it both?
“Well, you can gain knowledge by playing the opposite side of the ball. But the greater share of why we’re doing that and most of the share is to utilize a guy’s talent on the other side of the ball. Possibly find a player that’s a three-way player to play defense, offense and special teams. That’s the 98 percent of it.”
How are some of those guys doing? We saw DT Will Tukuafu playing a lot of fullback yesterday.
“Very well, very well. Will is doing an outstanding job. Right now, we’re in the athletic portion of these practices and workouts. He’s done very well with that. I think the fun will start with him when we put the pads on. [CB] Cory Nelms, [DB] Ben Hannula, [DT] Demarcus Dobbs, are other guys that are doing that. And so far so good, doing very well.”
We spoke with RB Brandon Jacobs recently and he said that the 49ers had identified burst as something that he might need to improve upon and he’s doing squats for the first time in six years he said. Is that something that you identified, or the training staff identified? Or how did that come about?
“Don’t have that answer. Don’t know who identified that.”
Do you think that’s accurate? That he’s a big guy and he needs to hit the hole like a big guy should?
“Well, he’s looked good. He’s looked extremely good in terms of burst. Every guy out here’s working on something and everything. Usually the athletes will pick out one thing, two things to work on in a practice and really focus and concentrate on those one or two things.”
QB Colin Kaepernick said he’s focusing on releasing the ball quicker. How do you go about coaching that with guys to get their—without overhauling their motion?
“Very little to the motion actually. More with the feet, with the eye discipline. With making decisions ahead of the play, not waiting for them to happen, but anticipating things. And all young quarterbacks go through that, and all young quarterbacks have a lot to work on. But definitely to concentrate on that specific thing is really good for Kaep[ernick] right now.”
When you’ve got this many guys in camp at this time of year, how do you divvy up your time and try to see everything?
“Well, one way we’re doing that is splitting the squad almost like the baseball teams do in Spring Training, and getting double the amount of reps. And then we can watch that on film, but they also get to do it on the grass as well. So, you’ve seen that the few practices that you’ve been out here, which maximizes everybody’s reps because people get better at football by playing football. So, that’s one way.”
One of your undrafted guys, LB Kourtnei Brown, bears a visual appearance to LB Aldon Smith. Does he have any similar traits besides his body frame and position?
“Well, position, there’s some similarities in size. And I’m not going to make a comparison with Aldon Smith at this point and Kourtnei. Somebody would get diminished there and I think I know who it would be. So, he’s doing fine. Kourtnei’s doing just fine and will keep progressing.”
What do you like about him?
“I like the size, the stature on him, the athletic ability. I like his attitude out here and I like the way he works. So, there’s a lot to like there and we’ll just keep trying to build every day.”
Let me ask you about another outside linebacker, Eric Bakhtiari. Did you remember him from San Diego?
“Of course.”
Did he play that position for the Toreros, or was he a lineman at that point?
“He was a defensive end. He was a defensive end in a 4-3 scheme and he had a tremendous college career. He was our best player on defense when we were down there and he’s had a great career. He’s obviously one of those guys who’s trying to get over the hump. He’s been in camps. He’s been on practice squad. His goal right now is to make the football team. And he’s doing fine.”
You guys had an injury at that position. Does that open a door for somebody like Eric that he could make the roster?
“Well, certainly that’s a focus and we really think Eric’s got the ability to do it and he’s getting plenty of opportunities out here. And we’ll keep evaluating that. That could be him, could be somebody. Somebody’s going to have to fill that role. So, we’ll keep looking at it and evaluating every day.”
CB Tarell Brown had said he wants to lead the league in interceptions and go to the Pro Bowl. [Inaudible]
“He played tremendous for us last year. The thing I like about him the most is he’s a winning cornerback. He’s a 14-4 type cornerback. And that’s the most important thing to us as a football team. He’s going to keep chasing. What I like, what you’re saying that he’s saying is he’s chasing perfection, and that’s a great thing to chase.”
Let me ask you about safety. S Dashon Goldson obviously not here, Donte Whitner wasn’t here yesterday, you’re getting the chance to see some of these younger guys play. Is that valuable because you don’t have a lot of experience behind your two starters?
“It’s real valuable. Those guys that are competing for those spots really think it’s valuable, and so do we. [S] C.J. Spillman has done a very nice job. [S] Trenton Robinson is getting a lot of reps. [S] Donte Whitner’s been out here quite a bit. So, everybody in that mix. [S] Mark LeGree, they all benefit and they’re all working very hard to find a role. Whether it be a starter, or as a backup, or as a contributor and a guy making the team.”
Can the number three safety see a lot of action just given the way opponents pass the ball these days?
“Well, definitely can, yeah exactly. Especially when you go to your dime package and if our starting nickel comes out of the safety group, or whether it comes out of the corner group, remains to be determined. But yeah, they’re all competing for those types of roles.”
Does your starting nickel change when it’s a short yardage, or goal line situation? I remember S CJ Spillman coming in in that Baltimore game when the Ravens were on the goal line and had a great hit down there.
“The packages do change from nickel out on the field to goal line. And could be going to a dime package in that situation. But yeah, they change. A little more thump. C.J. gives us a lot of that.”
Is S Michael Thomas getting looked at both at safety and corner?
“Mainly as a safety, and he’s done a real fine job. So, he’s got a little bit of an advantage knowing [Defensive Coordinator] Vic Fangio’s system, but I know Michael really well. We know Michael really well and it’s no surprise how hard he’s competing and how well he’s doing.”
Was he sort of a team leader down there? Was he sort of a personality guy?
“He was very much a team leader. He was a captain there his last year and was a leader from the day he stepped on the campus. He just has those attributes, those traits. Great leadership ability.”
Do you remember the first time you saw DT Isaac Sopoaga throw the ball? And what were your impressions?
“He throws a very long ball. And a very tight spiral too. Yes, throws as well as any big man I’ve ever watched. He’s amazing that way.”
Is that something that you’d ever utilize?
“You never know. You never know, could be.”
Do you remember was it in warm up? Do you have it in your mind the first time you saw that?
“The exact time, no. One of those early weeks in the season, or it could have been training camp. He likes throwing the ball. Oh, one other thing. There’s the perception out there, and it’s an erroneous perception, that we were flirting with [Denver Broncos QB] Peyton Manning. I keep hearing that over and over and over again. It’s silly and it’s untrue. It’s phony. Even the perception that we were pursuing him. We were evaluating him. I’ve said it all along, [QB] Alex Smith has been our quarterback. There’s no scenario, other than Alex choosing to sign with another team, that we would have considered him not as our quarterback. And don’t like to compare or talk about somebody else that’s on another team, but in this case it’s time to set the record straight. Alex Smith is our quarterback, was our quarterback, and had every intention of always bringing him back. There would be no circumstance that we would have let Alex Smith go. Now, were we out there seeing, evaluating if we could have them both? Heck yeah. And you evaluate that, you eliminate the possibility. And further evidence, we would not have given any player that was out there in free agency a sixth of our salary cap, and let six, or seven of our own guys go here. So, hopefully that sets the record straight and you don’t have to keep reporting the silliness and phoniness.”
Did he contact you guys then and express interest in joining the 49ers? Is that how it went?
“Yeah, like I said, there was interest and we evaluated it, pursued it, further evaluated it and there was conversations. I’m not going to go into all those personal conversations, but there was nothing said to Alex that was not said to Peyton Manning or in house here, on the record, off the record. Both those young men knew exactly what our intentions were. And I was very clear about that, that Alex Smith would be back here as our quarterback in 2012, if we could make that signing. We said the same thing to Alex as we said to Peyton.”
Was Alex going to Miami just a part of the game, with the free agency and seeing what was out there for him?
“Well, he was a free agent. He went on a visit, yes.”
When you evaluated Peyton, when you went out to North Carolina, what did you think of him?
“Well, we thought that was a critical thing to do. He’s coming off of a season where he was injured and he didn’t play. He’s going to be a fine player in the National Football League. And he made the best decision for himself going to the Denver Broncos, and we wish him nothing but success. He’ll be good. He’ll be fine.”
If he did sign, you would have had to severely adjusted your roster to fit him under with his salary obligation?
“We’re not going into all the—it’s not your right, or anybody else’s right to know exactly what those implications would have been. But, you could understand the best fit for us was Alex Smith. And we weren’t going to give a sixth of our salary cap to anybody out there. We like six or seven of the guys we’ve got on this current team that much.”
If Peyton had said he wanted to come though, would Alex still have been here as well?
“That would have been the hope, yeah. Like I said, there was no scenario where we weren’t going to have Alex Smith on this team if we could help it. Now, you don’t control all those factors, so I think that’s very clear, very concise. Hopefully everybody can understand that.”
One more thing on the clarification because from what we inferred, was when he decided on Denver he contacted you personally to tell you he was going to go to Denver instead of coming here, or that he was not interested? That’s one of the perceptions. Is that accurate, or no?
“That’s accurate. That’s accurate. Like I said, Peyton chose the Denver Broncos and we wish him well.”
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And Crabtree (of the 12-drops) has the best hands ever….
…guess we can’t believe his story about…”who’s got it better than us”……hmmm……
…..haters plz chill…….the rule is you can’t call anyone a liar unless you actually catch them in a lie……
It sounds like you know a thing or two about lying
Signing Manning is stupid. 1. He is damaged. 2. His salary is large enough to hamstring an organization for years. 3. Football is a team sport where coaching and scheme, teamwork, and depth are more important than one superstar. It would be irrational for the Niners to sign Manning, because his superstarness will not outweigh the sacrifices required to obtain him. It does make sense to believe that Harbaugh and Baalke acted rationally, and did not pursue Manning, but did take the opportunity to evaluate him.
flip3
All concise valid points that I agree with & should make everyone Move On!
Enough of the stupid, worthless speculation. It’s insignificant in terms of what’s happening now with the 49ers which is putting in alot of good work on the practice field for the Players.
Once Crabtree was as healthy as he was gonna be, the last 11 weeks of the season, he was just about as good as any receiver out there as far as production! Look it up!
If Harbaugh wasn’t pursuing Manning, why did he fly across the country to watch him work out? Isn’t that the definition of pursuing?
Because Manning contacted them……and why not go see if he is healthy secretly…..key word it was a secret……
Why did he bring this up today? How does it help his team? How does it help Alex Smith?…….Why should we assume he is trying to help his team or Alex everytime he speaks to the media?…….its not like they released Alex, so what is the point of helping him?…..Why not bring it up?…..its be speculated to death……
Do you think Harbaugh was being completely sincere?….why won’t he?…..its not like we have a game tomorrow…or his job was on the line
If your answer is yes, how much do you think the Niners offered Manning in free agency, considering Harbaugh said they wanted to sign Smith, too?
…..definitely not what the broncos offered him…..
…….Why not think Condon used Alex and 9ers as leverage to drive up Paytons price.
If your answer is no, what do you think Harbaugh was trying to accomplish?…..shut the haters up!!!!!
Thanks for your answers. I have a bonus question for you, if you don’t mind: If Manning was pursuing the Niners as you seem to be suggesting, why didn’t he fly to Santa Clara or somewhere else in the Bay Area to work out? Why did Harbaugh have to come to him?
……maybe the 49ers really didn’t want him……and would rather meet him in secret……so has not to put out there a false impression that they wanted him
Media followed PM a lot more than TB/JH.
……..looking back at the time….it was common knowledge that the HOF player would control his destiny……
…Condon could have used this perception to his advantage and made it seem Manning was perfectly healthy and you better come see him if you want him…….
I mean cmon Grant we are talking about a NFL QB with screws in the shoulder/neck…….you don’t think Condon had to play it perfectly for the media to buy it….
If I recall nobody was going to touch young Brees after his injury…..NFL teams don’t gamble on signing starting QB’s unless they are absolutely sure they can deal with the fall out…….
…these agents have to feed their family too…
oneniner
At this point PM’s feeding his family problems come down to eating from solid gold plates and gold plated plates.
lol
The whole PM thing wasn’t going to happen. Especially if he went for the money. Haters want to think the Niners would give up AB/AS/CR for PM for at best a couple of years. No way. No how.
And it doesn’t disprove my notion that PM didn’t want to compete at all with anybody. AS/AL/MH/JL nobody.
@DS…no it does not……its pretty clear PM didn’t want to compete……the perfect place for him was Denver….
Grant, I just read a good article in S.I. about Manning’s odyssey in searching out a new team. Apparently the media circus that awaited him everywhere he went REALLY disturbed him. And since he was Payton Manning, HE was able to dictate who saw him at all, and where. Pete Carrol surprised him by just showing up in Denver, and offered to meet with him there, or fly him anywhere he wanted to go, and talk along the way in his jet, or to meet him later, at Payton’s convenience. According to the writer (Peter King? I’m not sure), Payton doesn’t like surprises, and told Carrol “No thanks”, and never even talked with them.
He had the Miami guys meet him in Indianapolis to work him out, just because he knew that’s the last place the press expected to see him.
And according to the article, there were times when Manning had to throw in a public park, but had to hide the ball and pretend to be jogging when people came by…because immediately after Manning gets recognized, the press shows up…instant messaging being what it is today. And Payton doesn’t want the press around.
So, if Harbaugh was truly just evaluating him, it’d make perfect sense that he’d just show up wherever Manning was already working out. Even if he were there to test the waters with Manning, to see if he were interested in going to the Super Bowl, as opposed to cashing in, and compete with Alex for the gig, it STILL makes sense that he’d go where Payton already was. Doesn’t tell us who chased whom. And neither did the S.I. article.
Remember, this whole Manning as a Free Agent thing was of historic size in the football world…never been anything like it. What was it? 7? 8? 9 teams that were lusting after the guy? From what I got from the article, they were treating him like a goddam KING, and even Elway sounded like he was tip-toeing around, being very careful NOT to upset the king.
In the end, Manning went with the team he was most comfortable with, who’d play the teams he’s always competed well against, and the team with the $$$.
Meanwhile, WE get the Lombardi!
Exactly.
Oneniner,
Very Nice…
….thks
They met him in secret because they didn’t want to ruffle Mr. Sensitive’s feathers.
That might make sense if Smith didn’t know about the visit, but he did.
@Claude
Fair enough, I was under the impression that Smith didn’t know about the ‘secret’ meeting.
Two months after the visit Alex claimed he knew all about it.
And of course we believe him.
@NickRow:
That’s all right. There hasn’t been a lot of focus on the actual facts in this story.
@msclemons:
And Harbaugh affirmed it today. Of course, he too must be lying because it doesn’t fit your fantasy narrative.
Still waiting for you to show where Harbaugh lied.
Why don’t you write about the team instead of trying to cause trouble? Sorry I just don’t get it.
This was Harbaugh’s big talking point today. He invited the discussion.
@Mosin:
Harbaugh volunteered this information without anyone asking for it. This is the story for today and the rest of the week.
News cycle…meh!
Grant is is trying to make you think. There are plenty of porno sites out there if that’s what you’re after.
HAHA! NICE!! But yeah …. Harbs pursued him!!
Funny thing
I made all 3 salient points from day 1. And a bunch of you said I was full of it.
You were right. Full of the truth! Suckers. Now we find out who the “men” (admit that I was right) are from those acting big-bad but really are weak.
On day1, you were no where to be found. Probably went into some kind of deep depression and this blog was free of the DS nonesense and clutter.
One less man here.
I was here a lot when PM was being pursued.
Better more important question is:
Where were you when the Niners (AS) won so many gamest this season? Then you appear after a game in which you deem AS the reason for the loss? How does your life/work in such a manner where that is just coincidence?
Right … I was here and rooting the Niners. Besides the D and special teams won most of those games for us. As for AS, he had his moments, I give him that. But, I was getting sick of the 3 and outs and red zone struggles.
DS,
What 3 points did you make?
You did state that Manning would not be signing here, but not sure of the other 2.
When they flew east to evaluate PM, Alex wasn’t signed. Who really knows if it was an evaluation or interest. Maybe they were messing with AS and his agent because they left the contract on the table so long. Again, who knows? Maybe they were concerned PM would be signed by Seattle since there was known interest by PC, especially since he invited himself to Denver to take a look, but again who knows? PM isn’t on the team, so at this point it doesn’t matter. Support this team.
“Coach Norman Dale: I would hope you would support who we are. Not, who we are not. These six individuals have made a choice to work, a choice to sacrifice, to put themselves on the line 23 nights for the next 4 months, to represent you, this high school. That kind of commitment and effort deserves and demands your respect. This is your team.”
“At this point it doesn’t matter.”
Then why did Harbaugh bring it up today?
Why don’t you ask him, you’re the one with the access not me!!
My apologies for sounding so curt, but I believe we beat this dog enough!
What I meant to ask was why do you *think* Harbaugh brought it up today? He wanted this to be the talking point, not me. I was thinking about the Niners matchup with the Patriots.
..Claude gives the logical answer below
“. Probably in response to the Beason tweet. Helps by clearing up continuing misconceptions in the media/public.”
It may be that in reading the various NFL news sites recently, he saw the AS comment regarding passing yards and the follow up articles discussing the 9ers so-called interest in PM. JH is supporting his team.
JH also said….”hopefully that sets the record straight and you don’t have to keep reporting the silliness and phoniness.”…..
thats a good reason to bring it up….
I think he brought it up because Beason hadn’t shut up. Probably still hasn’t.
Well Hofe, maybe we’ll never know the truth. All speculation at this point and lest I blaspheme, I’ll say it anyway; I don’t believe Harbaugh.
But it’s all a moot point except for those who are inspired by the fact that this makes AS look good.
… and for those who are desperate to deny it for the same reason.
AES, it’s also a moot point except for those that think JH is a great coach but speaks out of the other side of his mouth. Touche?!
AES is used to that…..he is a known flip flopper …..am sure he understands that part of it
If its a lie,or a way to publicaly support his QB, for anyone to know the real reason is really not important from a fans perspective. The only thing now is Alex is the 49ers QB, if they really didnt about professional managers and coaches, they had options to upgrade outside of PM if they wanted to.
And Josh Johnson was not it.
Well Grant, why doesn’t PM come out now and say that JH is lying?
1. It doesn’t matter.
2. It is the truth.
LOL I think Peyton is busy preparing for his season with the Broncos and couldn’t care less what’s going on with the niners right now.
@Grant:
Quick responses to your questions:
1. Because he’s Peyton Manning, and if he is healthy, he’s a first ballot HOFer still pretty close to his prime. You have to investigate that. “Evaluating” versus “pursuing” is semantics (hah!).
2. Probably in response to the Beason tweet. Helps by clearing up continuing misconceptions in the media/public.
3. Yes. He may be prone to exaggerations when expressing opinions about his players, but he doesn’t strike me as a guy who would lie or be insincere about non-strategic matters.
4. Not enough, if they ever got to the point that they made an offer.
5. n/a
….dammit….once again your answers are better than mine….and anyone else….
Well said Claude.
Claude,
You used the word ‘investigate.’ It means to ‘inquire’ ‘observe’ and to ‘examine.’ All these point to one thing; The Org showed interest in PM.
But to this point the only post that has made sense comes from Hofer’ 5:07 post. ‘oneniner’ also referred to Condon (PM’ and AS’ agent) using both players to hasten to Org’ hand.
@AES:
I don’t think anyone, including Jim Harbaugh, is denying that the 49ers showed interest in Manning.
The questions is, what did they do after the NC trip?
Did they bring Manning to SF? No, they did not.
Did they make him an offer? No one has reported that they did.
If they did, how much did they offer?
There has been a lot of speculation regarding the 49ers’ interest in Manning, but, until today, few statements of actual fact from people with knowledge of the situation. Harbaugh offered some today. I find it amusing that some people are so quick to conclude he is lying, but cannot point to a single established fact contradicting what he said.
Great point Claude. I wasn’t thinking of the Beason tweet.
If the national perception among NFL players is that Smith was gone then I can see why Harbaugh addressed the matter. He doesn’t want the world to think that Plan B Smith was the 2nd choice.
It’s not the first time Harbaugh has told a blatant lie to pump up his players.
I like the fact he has his players’ backs even though he lies like a rug.
@msclemons:
I don’t suppose you would care to name the untruthful statements of fact (“blatant lies”) and point to the established facts that disprove them, would you?
“Crabtree has the best hands of any wide receiver I have ever seen”
“Alex Smith is an elite, pro-bowl quarterback.”
Some recent, blatant lies from Harbaugh.
msclemon – Much respect and I like your beer advice (still enjoying the Lagunitas you recommended) but you’ve been doin some MC bashing of late.
Was it the drops or the funky cleats? :-)
Those are his opinions, not statements of fact. I don’t expect ninermd to understand the difference, but I thought you were smarter than that.
These are statements of fact:
“… we would not have given any player that was out there in free agency a sixth of our salary cap, and let six, or seven of our own guys go here. ”
“Both those young men knew exactly what our intentions were. And I was very clear about that, that Alex Smith would be back here as our quarterback in 2012, if we could make that signing. We said the same thing to Alex as we said to Peyton.”
What evidence do you have that they are not true?
The Smith haters will claim that Harbaugh is a liar and he’s only saying this to boost Alex’s “fragile mind”. Guaranteed that’s what they will say, since they know everything.
Anyway, does it really matter if they pursued him or not? It’s Peyton freakin Manning, I would have wanted him too (but not anywhere near the money Denver paid). I’m not sure why coach brought it up, but I do believe he is being truthful.
What a load of crap from the lips of Harbaugh. If he actually believes the media and the public are going to swallow this crap, he is crazy and drinking too much of the Jim Jones’ kool-aid. Why doe she even think that he needs to revisit this whole episode?????? It’s over and done with, and by bringing it up again, he shows he own personal weaknesses. Grow up Jimmy!!!!
oneniner says:
May 30, 2012 at 5:31 pm
“AES is used to that…..he is a known flip flopper …..am sure he understands that part of it”
Back to the name calling eh ‘oneniner’? Hahaha, well I knew that your true character would surface sooner or later. Looks like my comments drowned out your exuberant ‘drum-roll’ announcement (lol).
Harbaugh explicitly said “we were evaluating him (PM)”
Soooo, were they evaluating him so they could give him a ‘clean bill of health’ to pass on to another team?
I’m not knocking AS here ‘oneniner.’ I’m only questioning Harbaugh’ intentions with making an unsolicited statement. Harbaugh’ comment comes over as rehearsed and awkwardly endearing himself to AS.
Grant –
1. He is a first ballot HOF QB and the only free agent QB that would have been an upgrade.
2. He brought it up today because he keeps hearing about it, and he wants to put the story to bed before they get to training camp. No distractions.
3. I think that for the most part he was being sincere, but not completely.
5. I don’t see any way they could have brought in both Manning and Smith and still had the cap space for everything else they wanted to do. That part doesn’t ring true to me.
Manning could have requested a low or minimum salary……in the name of winning a SB……..its not like other players don’t….
if you can’t see Manning requesting a low salary how can you see the 49ers paying him what the broncos paid him which will in turn cost us players………ding ding ding….knock knock…anyone home!!!!
oneniner,
It’s obvious that Manning didn’t request a low or minimum salary…he went to the highest bidder…
@oneniner
I know. The salary thing was always a little odd to me. The Niners last Super Bowl came off the backs of players who would sign for cheap to win a championship.
True PM already has one. But there is a solid reason why he is called the best regular season QB in history, and never is seriously considered to be the best QB in history. I’d think he would want to get rid of that “regular season” part of the statement a lot more than he would want more money if he is the player many think he is.
But competition and the fact that he could not run the ship (take control of the offense from JH) have a lot to do with it I think. In SF he would get neither. And he used the money as the official reason, but not the real reason. Since JH was never going to do that, the Niners were never all that serious of contenders.
…thanks for making point Jack…….the 49ers were never going to sign Manning under any circumstances, they knew it, I knew it and you should have known it too.
Can PM guarantee anyone that another ‘hit’ will not re-injure his neck?
Four surgeries to such a vital area of the body has to make PM think about his immediate future.
A Superbowl is likely less important for PM then the ability to insure his financial future in the case of a re-occuring neck injury don’t you think? Securing a financial future in the event of a careert ending ‘hit’ certainly makes more business sense to me.
@AES
Technically, both AS and PM have the same amount of guaranteed money the day they signed their contracts. Zero.
All the pre-regular season money this year and money for next year is tied into PM passing a physical/other tests to show he is as healthy as can be expected and able to perform the tasks of a QB.
For AS, he gets a lot of money in the playoffs and a lot more if he is on the roster April 1st or so.
Look it up yourself if you don’t believe me.
retiring with health and longevity with the money he has already pocketed seems the most prudent because PM is not playing for his legacy by going to denver
yes i am saying if there is any chance the neck is more sensitive or susceptible to a whiplash damage because of the injury and subsequent surgeries then why play just for the money….seems rather a reckless decision IMO
sure i understand he has been cleared and there is always the darryl stingley (if i have the name correct) anything can happen to anyone but i have to believe the fusing of the neck vertebrae freezes/eliminates some natural absorbing motions by the very act of traction….
JH did seem to hesitate a bit about directly answering a question about his perception of PM health and just chose to say he will have a nice career in the NFL…
JH had told AS back at the time that AS would compete for the QB job vs PM as AS had already alluded to in an earlier interview…
seems rather disrespectful to say JH is a liar when he decides to put the whole business to rest since he is the head coach and is responsible for leading the troops into another season of battles and wants the focus on football with as little distractions as possible from the media…
i too think the beeson tweet is what made JH clear the air….because it had transcended the media to an actual opponent….otherwise if it was a media thing only he wouldn’t have given it much thought and let the media play at their games and just use it as them against the world attitude but didn’t necessarily want the locker room bulletin board to have an out of context quote
Harbaugh brought it up TODAY in response to Jon Beason and the stupid Carolina Panthers/Cam Newton story that just won’t die. His quotes are almost as if he was directly responding to Beason’s comments and then addressing: ESPN, NFL Network, Mike Sando, and even Peter King who have all chimed in on this issue over and over the past 6 days. Jim, ever the team defender, wanted to set the record straight and give his two cents.
I disagree with your reasoning. But even if that were true, that does not make what JH said any less true at all. About AS, PM or MC.
Just because an event follows another one to extinguish it does not make it untrue.
I didn’t give an opinion as to whether Jim was lying or telling the truth when he says they were “evaluating” Payton Manning. I addressed why Jim Harbaugh picked today to bring this up. If you were paying attention that was Gran’ts #2 question above.
@mike2
Your first sentence implies that you think this is why JH brought it up TODAY. And you never referenced Grant’s question directly. Yes. I know what Grant said.
…I agree with Mike…..Peter King talking about it I believe deserved the record being set straight…….cuz we all know peter is the king…isn’t he?
DS94everXev – I never referenced Grant’s question directly:
Grant asks: “Why did he bring this up today?”
Mike responds: “Harbaugh brought it up TODAY…”
Was the all CAPS not obvious enough? LOL. Moving along…..
Mike
That is why people such as myself quote things they are answering. To avoid any confusion. Or at least say something in the post about Grant’s question like:
@Grant
To answer your 2nd question….
And I agree. Move on.
Cam Inman and Ray Ratto are laughing at the nonsense JH was spreading today. Ratto had it right when he said it doesn’t matter that JH was going against the history the whole World knows about the Manning persuit by the Niners.It only matter if the locker room will buy the nonsense and thereby give Alex the leadership credentials he has been lacking. And it also matters if Alex buys the nonsense that he was the only QB JH ever really wanted,really,truely,for honest,…then they can all put the hurt behind them that was caused when they offered a poor contract to Alex and then DID go after Manning to replace him(just like they went after Hasselbeck last year and Warner before that,etc ).
JH will build up all his players,expecially the weak ones who really need it. Let’s hope it works and the locker room buys it and Alex buys it and it helps us win more games ,although everyone always says Alex is so smart,so he knows it is nonsense,just like Ratto and Inman and all of you know it,deep down.
But this is all silly,since all we all want is for alex or whoever is playing QB,to do better than what we have gotten out of that position in the past. Hopefully Alex can step up and surprise all the so called experts,who think he is the weak link of the team ! .
…snoooozzzeee……what you got next timmy?…..
If anyone is interested Manning was number 50 and VD was number 43 in the top 100 NFL players.
Manning #50? That’ not bad for a player who didn’t play in 2011!
Tells you what a joke that program is…popularity contest!
Yeah that program is a joke. Those NFL players don’t know a thing about playing in the NFL.
It’s actually quite simple really. Harbalke wanted to evaluate PM (they would be crazy not to). Harbalke liked what they saw and made an offer an offer on their terms with the intent of keeping the entire D so not anywhere near the Broncos offer. The incentive for PM was a Super Bowl ring and not money. I believed they were willing to keep AS and drop Tolzien and not bring in JJ.
Seems as likely an explanation as any. And IF true it would render everything he said as true or at least honest enough.
In such a scenario PM would be the starter AS the back up/future and CK the future/ future backup.
A good idea.
But JH is adamant about bring in all the competition he can find. And right now, the Niners could have had AS/PM/CK/Tolzein/JJ if they wanted. Or rather if PM wanted. Look at the recent sfgate blog with our long snapper Jennings if you doubt JH’s truthfulness in creating competition for every position.
If PM signed for min salary, he would be competing with those other QB’s for a job. In Denver he competes with nobody.
Harbaugh is like every other NFL head coach and he’s a control freak. He’s trying to control the narrative like he should. Unfortunately, in this instance the story is too fresh in people’s minds and he can’t rewrite history.
“I did not pursue Peyton Manning.”
“I did not have sex with that woman.”
“The check is in the mail.”
G-D-, but I love Jim Harbaugh. I want to hear him talk about the definition of “is”, and other funny lies. Just hold onto your wallet, Boys. And I say that in admiration.
whatever you say slick Jim. you’re a great coach but your bull crap is pretty high.
I think Mike Sando explains it perfectly on his NFC West Blog:
http://espn.go.com/blog/nfcwest/post/_/id/66697/what-jim-harbaughs-thinking-on-manning
Don’t know why Harbaugh is so sensitive about the truth and has to contrive his own story. Any sane coach worth his salt would have explored Manning as a free agent if all he needed was a quality QB for his club to advance to and possibly win a Super Bowl. Harbaugh would not be much of a head coach if he had not explored the option because his obligation is to put the best 22 players on the field, and Manning surely is better than Alex any day of the week. Just because Harbaugh did not get him does not mean he has to walk back his PURSUIT of Manning to attempt to make Alex feel better and to attempt to prop up Alex as a leader in the clubhouse. It’s not like Harbaugh was attempting to replace Montana or Young with Manning.
Seifert replaced JM with SY. If you were around then, that was a big controversy.
@DS
Still is.
Mike,
Smith has confidence issues. This is something that so many coaches andnobservers around the Niners have said. He looked over his shoulder for so many years with the Niners for good reason. He has never been good enough. Harbaugh can’t tell the truth. Smith didn’t sign his deal in the 1st place because the contract didn’t have any security. It still doesn’t. There is no question that Harbaugh protects his players.
In golf, the caddy protects his player. In this case, Harbaugh is protecting his caddy!!
Smith has confidence issues. This is something that so many coaches andnobservers around the Niners have said.
More made up b/s from the king of made up b/s. Name the Niners coaches who have said it.
Or did you get this information from your secret inside source? You know, the source who told you that Josh Johnson was the No. 2 QB, even though Colin Kaepernick keeps getting the snaps with the second team?
Jordan, given the experience Alex has had with the Niners and their cavalcade of horrendous coaches over his tenure with the team, it’d be pretty friggin’ amazing if he DIDN’T have confidence issues, at least to some extent. Wouldn’t be surprised to learn that he still sees Singletary in his nightmares.
But I’m with Claude: You took it WAAAAY over the line when you say coaches have talked about Smith’s alleged lack of confidence. Gonna have to cite a specific, if you want to sell that one. And personally, I couldn’t care less what “observers around the Niners” said, or didn’t say.
Come to think of it, I’ve never heard of “confidence” ever scoring a single point in the NFL. Don’t know that “confidence” ever won a game, either. Alex, on the other hand…
Jerry Rice on 49ers pursuing Peyton:
“I think you go for it, you really do,” Rice said in an interview with The Chronicle and the Bay Area News Group. “You have to go after him. You’ve got a defense that’s going to smack you in the mouth, but you need a little more from the offense.
…how the F… is this relevant to the story…..lol….dude you are really trying …….do us a favor and think it through again……maybe you should add Steve Young quotes……that might help for another second….
Houston, all of these quotes are 2-3 months old. Last time I looked PM is the QB of the Broncs. Move on already. Jeez!
…take it easy on the guy…….its like a chicken running around with no head…….nothing makes sense right now
….at least let him try to make sense of it by posting irrelevant quotes…..he is not hurting anyone
Steve Young and Jerry Rice both saw Alex as Plan B. The guy you settle for if you can’t get a real quarterback.
Did you have a specific quote on that, MSC? Because it seems to me that Young has had some pretty supportive things to say about Alex, when I’ve heard him talk. Never heard anything about “Plan B”. Haven’t heard Joe talk about him at all, so maybe I missed something?
Steve Young on the 49ers pursuit of Manning:
“They (49ers) know that they’re the best answer for Peyton Manning,” Young said on ESPN SportsCenter Friday, as reported by the San Jose Mercury News. “They know they have the best defense in the league to offer. They know they have the offensive weapons. They know they have a plan. They know they have Jim Harbaugh. They know all the things are in place for a guy like Peyton Manning.”
houston
At some point, are you going to get to the only one that matters in the pursuit of PM in your posts? That would be JH if you were wondering.
Ok guys. I like Steve Young as an analyst. I liked him as a player. But remember last year when Steve looked into the camera and told us all that it was a lock that Hasslebeck was coming to the Niners? It wasn’t a lock, and no one should say that it is in that moment unless Matt told him over the phone ‘I’m gonna sign with SF’.
Steve mis-speaks sometimes. Those in the media who prepaid to talk, sometimes let loose some statements that don’t hold up.
…lol….damn you actually did bring up SY quotes……OMG …this soo funny
I’ll be impressed when the Hacksaw Reynolds quotes show up.
Why are the opinions of a Hall of Fame QB amusing?
I would think those opinions are better than the opinions of a failure at QB.
The only silly part of that was that I believe Young said that the Manning thing was a done deal. I don’t remember the exact quote but I’m pretty sure he took it to the bank.
Looked a bit foolish when it didn’t happen.
Adam – I think Young said the Niners had the best chance to win Super Bowl now of the teams EVALUATING him or the Niners were the best situation for him. Something like that?
I think this is what I saw: http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2012/03/17/steve-young-harbaugh-threw-with-peyton-probably-will-sign-him/
Young made it sound pretty much in the bag.
Your right Adam, Young sounded very confident in that article.
BTW, your avatar still has that annoying line under it. :-)
Yeah, I’m not sure what’s causing that. It’s either a pixel short or I missed something in photoshop when I cut it out of the background. Weird.
>>Why are the opinions of a Hall of Fame QB amusing?
Amusing would be a kind thing to label what some around here are calling the statements of our coach.
I don’t think I’ve ever seen anything like this. Fans of a team calling the head coach a liar purely due to the vitriol towards the QB that coach has faith in.
Tony Dungy on the 9ers pursuit of Manning:
“You put Peyton Manning in that (49ers) offense, and people are going to be scared to play them,” former Colts coach Tony Dungy told the NFL Network when Manning got released March 7. “There are other teams that fit that same feel, but San Francisco comes to the top of my mind.” …”There are some pretty good fits out there, but it’s going to be a unique situation,” Dungy added. “You have to feel like you’re pretty close to the Super Bowl. You have to feel you have some pretty good offensive weaponry in place and that you need a quarterback.”
We’re talking about a guy that had the choice between the 9ers and broncos. One is SB ready the other not so much. Who did he choose? Why are we still talking about him? He’s no Joe!
Oh you poor haters, wrong again! Man how much rejection can you guys take? Manning pursued the Niners, that is fact, not the other way that some of you have been saying for weeks.
The Niners were never interested in giving him the salary he was asking as that would have strapped the team and they likely would have to part with at least 2 starters and some depth. No way, that is not the Niners way as we have seen Paarag likes to sit on Yorks wallet.
So haters, it’s back to the hater drawing board, good luck losers!
Thank you. some of this crew — all the way to the top — remind of dorky underclassmen trying to sound big by dissecting the BMOC’s moves. Harbaugh is a stud, he is so far above this crap. Who cares if he was bulpuckying??? The guy is a genius coach, maybe one in a generation. Alex owns the locker room, has for years because he is tough as nails and keeps his head down.
Next?
Mosin…….Ask Onelame. He’s the one who thought he was rubbing this “lie” into the faces of who he calls ‘HATERS”. Dont get it twisted.
..@DS….why do you think he contacted the texans…..that puzzles me…
…could Schaub be done ….after all those injuries and the promise of their backup QB……
any ideas?…
…the only thing i can think of is Condon doing his job…..confusing the market ….
Come on oneniner!
The Texans are a good young team. Much like our Niners.
But most importantly of all, PM would love to stick it to the Colts for dumping him in favor of Andrew Luck. Before he was drafted, he told the Colts that if you don’t draft me, I will kick your BLEEP forever.
PM wanted to show the Colts that they made a huge mistake in dropping him. He wanted to play the team 2x a year and just demolish them. Considering how bad the Colts may be, I could be the Texans QB and beat the Colts. Just imagine what PM can do to them.
Whether you think PM is a jerk or revengeful or just competitive nature of things, PM is not to be confused with being nice. He wants control over everything. When the Colts got/get Luck, that was out of his control. And he could not handle it. PM is not remotely loyal to the team that drafted him and got him to where he is now. If PM had gone thru in Indy what AS did here, PM would have dumped that team. AS did not. That is a huge difference in their personalities.
Plus, I stay in the AFC because it is weak. Especially the AFC West. What real good teams are there? More importantly, how good are those defenses next to the NFC West D’s? If PM came here, he wouldn’t last another year. In the AFC West, he can last for several.
A little bit of it is that his brother is in the NFC and he didn’t want to play him. Again, what happens if he loses to his brother now? Coming to the Niners, he would have to play him. In Denver, he does not (especially come playoff time). Can you imagine PM getting his butt kicked by his brother in the playoffs? PM can’t. I would have thought the competitive nature of him would push him to go for the best team and best chance to win it all to tie his brother. It didn’t.
Although, like I said, the NFC West is the toughest division now. Maybe not record wise yet, but physically, it is. In the AFC West, it is easy to go to the playoffs. Just look at the Giants. They got hot in the playoffs and won the Super Bowl. PM won’t get so hurt and won’t play as good of teams in the AFC as he would here. 8-8 can win the AFC West this year. SD sucks now. KC is in the ruts. Raiders…HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!!!!!!
Easiest road to the playoffs for him is in Denver.
Boy. You have a lot of questions for everyone. And yet you cant answer any that will shed some truth and kill your love for Smith. I SMEEEELLLLLLLL COWARD!!!!!!! HA HA HA One chicken. Wheeew. Still waiting!
One more thing on the clarification because from what we inferred, was when he decided on Denver he contacted you personally to tell you he was going to go to Denver instead of coming here, or that he was not interested? That’s one of the perceptions. Is that accurate, or no?
“That’s accurate. That’s accurate. Like I said, Peyton chose the Denver Broncos and we wish him well.”
Uh Ummmm Now who was the clown that said I didnt know what I was talking about? After I posted this same thing over an hour ago? LOL This whole thing is so wishy washy its hard “if your a realist” not to buy anything our great coach tells the media. Its all a big chess game, and you Smithers buy right into it. HA HA HA HAAAAAAA Onelame. got all fired up. HA HA HA HAAAAAAAAAAAA ………………Anything ……… for ,……………Alex………… Buahahahahahaaa
Oh and Ds………..I sunk your “battleship” buh bye Titanic!!! LMAO!!!!!!!!!!!
6:30 post md.
8th grader? more like 3rd.
“The Niners defense lost leads because they were not large enough in the 4th quarter.”
Still a hoot! Keep it up md. This blog needs a comedian. And comedians are only funny if they don’t act/think they are.
..@DS…..be fair lets be clear about the quote…
…..”The defense gave up late leads… After the offense couldn’t build a good one”….
…lol…ha ha ha…lmao
Wheeew You like that? Thats good stuff ehh? Sounds about as ridiculous as you calling out the defense. Sorry that your the headliner comedian, and I stole some thunder. So ds…..Who was better. Defense or passing game? Waiting on your answer too. Cmon. You can do it.
..comedian.????….ninermd is the blog clown or like Crab called it earlier the blog bum……
I just had to paste this again…….ha ha ha
…..”The defense gave up late leads… After the offense couldn’t build a good one”….
one
Makes more sense the way I write it. md’s thinking is so advanced he needs some translations to common English. Besides, he hasn’t said I am wrong with the basic message.
…….lol…no he hasn’t…..I don’t think he gets it….Dude is a genius clown……it comes natural to him…..lol
None of this matters. JH is just trying to pump up Alex Smith. Don’t you guys remember that JH called AS elite and an all-pro?
I have to add having Peyton in the same locker room as Jim Harbaugh might of been a clash of the ego’s.
PM is being compared to and often (by his fans) regarded as better than JMo. Not hardly!
Hell that is crazy, you can argue that PM is not even the best QB in his own family. That is why they are fans, JM is the best ever, and PM is in the top 10, I will take Steve Young over Peyton and Steve is probably the 6th or 7th best ever..
“Elite” is a Catch-22. He was damned either way he responded on that one.
Pro-Bowl? There was an argument that could have been made on that one I think based on the wins and based on the comebacks, fewest INTs, QBR, who was going to be available, etc. That one would have panned out as an alternate of course. Whether he deserved that over guys like Stafford…? Eh… debatable. Some of it’s a “beauty pageant” with fan votes and all that, too. It’s an interesting argument if had reasonably and logically.
Personally, I don’t think he was quite there yet and probably didn’t deserve the nod, but if he makes some more progress this year? Could happen.
@Adam
I wasn’t knocking AS, instead I was trying to point out that perhaps JH is trying to instil confidence in AS.
Yeah I get that. No worries. Just seems to me like the “elite” thing was a trap Harbs couldn’t get out of. Pro Bowl? Eh… dunno. I could argue it either way. :P
…..MM says … Dashon Goldson wants eight years, $40 million…….I think thats not overpaying…..
No way 8 years. More like 3 for $13 million with incentives up to 15.
He isn’t Troy good. Not close.
He wants that, draft a safety or get another, or best yet, get Spillman to learn the position.
…..but 5 mil a yr isn’t that bad …….for DG….he does have a chance to make multiple pro-bowls playing in this defense
oneniner.
….8 years $40m for pro bowler Goldson….only 2 years less than they gave Brooks….not a bad deal if they structure similar to the Brooks deal…only concern is he would be 36 at the end of it…
…of course he won’t see the whole 8 yrs as a niner…….at least the next 4 yrs…..
….that would be a good deal…
From Andy Benoit of the New York Times:
“Smith recently recorded a postseason victory with a team that is built around defense and running (i.e. hiding the quarterback’s limitations). But Matt Barrow of The Sacramento Bee writes, “Smith almost assuredly would leave the 49ers if they were to sign (Manning).”
Kind of blows the idea out of the water that the 9ers would still sign Smith if they landed Manning.
Still waiting for your JH take. You know. The one who actually knows what happened.
lol……dude is from houston….that is down south…things are very slow down there….
I know that when I want to know the inner workings of the 49ers’ front office, when I want to know what Trent Baalke and Jim Harbaugh really think, I read Andy Benoit of the New York Times. Nobody has the inside scoop on the San Francisco 49ers like Andy Benoit.
Andy Benoit was quoting Matt Barrows. The beat writer who is in the 49ers’ locker room on an almost daily basis.
But don’t let facts get in the way of your belief that Alex is an elite quarterback. Harbaugh said it, so it must be true.
@msclemons:
Matt Barrows assumed Smith would leave. He wasn’t reporting any facts because he didn’t talk to Smith to find out Smith’s plans. That’s why he used the word “assuredly.”
No one is arguing that Smith is elite. I understand why you want to change the topic; you’ve got nothing. Don’t kid yourself, however. You haven’t cited one actual fact in this thread. It’s been nothing but your uninformed, unsupported and unqualified opinion. But you keep being smug. It’s working so well for you.
*That’s why he used the words “almost assuredly.”
Wow, I just glanced at the posts and one thing is clear. The Smithers – especially oneAlex, DS94, Prime ‘Alex’ Time, and few others – are fired up like there’s no tomorrow. Calm down fools. JH is just trying to pump up AS, nothing more. Besides, we’ll soon find out what kind of QB AS is. I hope he does well, but history is not no his side.
You mean you, right nick?
We are the same person. It’s been proven. I said it.
How do you like your crow Nickrow?
Nick, you forgot Neal, Houston, etc. Just wait, Jordo is sniffing this out since it is about the QB situation. Ooh Rah! lol
Who cares what Jordan thinks? Does anyone actually bother to read his comments anymore? I know I don’t. That kid is the laughingstock of this blog, by far.
I don’t LSX.
Nick ate so much crow …he added row to his name…
“I hope he does well, but history is not no his side.” …….typical hater comment……..history was not on his side in 2010 either…….new coach, new offense ……Alex took them to the NFC championship……
…looks like history hasn’t been on your side Nick-Crow…
OneAlex
Eating crow is for someone who’s prediction turns out to be wrong. I’ve been critical of AS, but never have I made a prediction about his fate. The fact is, nobody can predict the future. But, objective fans realize that QB was the weak link on the team last year. It’s now show me time for Alex.
Jordan posts rock !!
Well Neal, it’s safe to say that you’ve cemented your position at the loser’s table. I feel extremely sorry for anyone that thinks his clueless ramblings are the least bit intelligent.
I find him entertaining and I like the way he describes the Smithers man love, AS will be gone after this season.
Yes, he sure does like to talk about “man love” doesn’t he? We have all noticed.
As far as Smith is concerned, Jordan has said that exact phrase the past several seasons. And guess what? Jordan’s 0-for-lifetime. If you want to hitch your wagon to that loser, so be it.
LSX
To be fair, 23J kept his word that he would welch and not hold up his initial promise of leaving if AS resigned.
Gotta give a guy credit when it’s due.
Thanks Neal. But you know the truth hurts sometime. These clowns sat on the edge of a bridge waiting for Harbaugh to say Manning was a Niner. Mass suicide. Don’t you remember how all these clowns disappeared except Hofer? Hofer was here equaling like a baby about how he’d rather have Kap start, than Manning. How about that one?
Harbaugh has been holding Smith’s hand and spoon feeding him bullishi- since Harbaugh got here. The sad part is, Alex knows Harbaugh is full of shi- now and Harbaugh is still trying to reedit to him. Alex is not a good QB but he is no dummy. I do know that for sure. If I were Smith, I’d tell Harbaugh not to defend me. It now only makes Smith look worse.
The Niners never really wanted Manning?? Harbaugh is truly full of shi-!
Wrong again 23J, what is that now 0-20, that’s your new name, o for! Buwhahahahahahahah!!!!!!!
“Jordan posts rock !!”
Neal, does that make you a Jordan-er? Maybe a Jordanite?
Man love indeed.
@ Adam,
I will say it again , that your lovely wife Eve, had to settle with a bozo like you. Poor Eve.
>>Harbaugh is truly full of shi-!
Hates AS… Hates coach… Dude, it is time for you look for another team until the Harbaugh/Smith era is over.
FDM, you fed the fire after calling me out. Didn’t we have a truce (?) and if memory serves me correctly, you (caved in) responded to the comments before me. lol
hof
You’re losing it.
What fight/truce, and what are you replying to? FDM has1 post here and it has zilch to do with you.
DS last time I looked your name wasn’t FDM. The comment wasn’t meant for you and FDM knows *exactly* what I was talking about. Mind your business.
Yep.
hof’s lost it.
This is a public blog. And FDM often shares your opinion on a great many issues. After all the crap 23J writes, it must have been a deleted post because I didn’t see anything that was bad or….
Aye-Aye Captain. I will stay out of the way. Just be good if the Captain told his crew what to move out of the way of. Just some friendly advice for future encounters.
Ummm after 8 years. The crow thing is spoiled. Whoever has defended Smith all these years, and thinks they will be right. You will this season, but 1 for 8 isnt something you can brag about. 1 for 8……that looks like Smiths 3rd down % numbers. On the other hand the “haters” have been right 5 out of 7 years. Crow servers…….Your losing badly. Buahahahahahaaaaa I know Ill be right every year I predicted Smiths season by season. Wheew TOP 7 SUCKAS
ninermd,
I respect your opinion, but I beg to differ. Jordan has hated on Smith for as long as I can remember, and I’m fairly sure he’s never made an accurate prediction in his life.
…@ninermd the clown…just wanna be clear you mean “you” when you write “haters”……..
..help me out here clown and i am confused
Group A brags for 1-8 (I get the 1 season in 8 yrs)
Group B are 5-7 (Not sure was Alex good or sucked 5 yrs)
“I know Ill be right every year I predicted Smiths season by season. “……lol..LMAO (I had to, just too funny)
so you predicted the 5 yrs (and you are a hater, I get that)
And I believe the facts in terms of games played indicate Alex has not played 8 full seasons….even 7 counting the time off for injury is a stretch…
Dude..this puzzle is hard!!!!
…you really expect anyone with a brain to believe you predicted 5 yrs of Alex Career………..TOP 7th clown!!!
…Clown Please!!!….after speculating wrongly on the “manning chase” and using it has a Trump card to all debates you have had related to bashing Alex……
instead of just accepting or use your brain and say:….”you know maybe I really didn’t know what was going on BEHIND the scene”……….”maybe the coach I believe and trust can take my beloved 49ers to the SB after years in the ghettos of the NFL is actually just setting the record straight”……
…..But instead you are ranting like a clown who just found out he got scabies…….chill out dude…….if it makes you feel any better Alex threw a 45 yard pass to Moss yesterday……..am sure you predicted that also…….
…Clown Please!!!….after speculating wrongly on the “manning chase” and using it has a Trump card to all debates you have had related to bashing Alex……
Not bashing smith. I’m bashing you loyal sheep. Big difference. But why would I expect you to know. You are the only moron that took harbaugh’s words and ran with them. Thinking you were going to make everyone shut up. Lol jokes on you jack. The answer. I’m still waiting one chicken. Man you and your lame duck partner Ds are pathetic. Seriously pathetic. Your two last posts have been the laughing stock of the blog the last two days.
@md
“Not bashing smith. I’m bashing you loyal sheep”
Hmmm.
Sounds to me like you said you bash people who are loyal to the team/players/organization of the one thing you spend so much time discussing and proclaiming yourself an expert on.
And once again, md proves his fandom is greater than all others by bashing those who remain loyal.
I think the Titanic was raised and md’s plans are to sink it again.
#1 Comedian = ninermd!
Today has been an educational day for me. I learned from DS and the Bunko club that the 49ers defense wasn’t all that good and the offense carried the team. Steve Young, Jerry Rice, and Tony Dungy disagree with this assessment but what the heck. I give the gals at the Bunko club the benefit of the doubt.
I learned from Harbaugh that flying cross country to attend a private workout, sending your doctors to examine a player, talking contract with an agent, and then waiting for the players decision while the guy you supposedly really want negotiates with another team DOES NOT constitute pursuit. That is technically an evaluation. Lord knows Harbaugh couldn’t be saying these things to control the discussion and rebuild his relationship with the QB he ended up with as his starter.
LOL Isnt that the funniest thing you’ve read? Ds. Is the HEADLINER on this blog with jokes. Her and Onelame…..A tag team made in heaven.
“The defense gave up leads in the 4th quarter because they weren’t big enough.”
And that was serious!
md. #1 joker here. No way is Stan the man better than that. md #1!
Wheeew. Keep using that ds. I love it. It exposes your post in the first place. Ha ha ha Thats right. “The defense blew the lead againts the Saints”………After 5 T.O and a huge 13 point total. Yep Thats good enough to keep a top flight offense down. LOL Keep it going DS. pleease
“The defense gave up late leads because they weren’t big enough.”
Help ya here:
That quote is appropriate for the #32 D. That means they suck.
You thought you defended the D and insulted the offense. You did the exact opposite! But in your diluted world view, you did your team good.
Hope you are no lawyer!
#1 comedian- ninermd!
@ Houston,
You better watch out Houston 9er, your making way too much sense and the Smithers are going to call you a hater pretty soon. Great post. !!
“I keep hearing it over and over. It’s silly and it’s untrue. It’s phony. Even the perception that we were pursuing.”
“Were we out there seeing and evaluating if we could have them both? Heck yeah.”
This reminds me of Rick James on Chappelle’s Show regarding Eddie Murphy’s couch.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Gc20DK6m24A
LOL I wished I had two more hands, Id give Onelame and ds fo thumbs down. lol Classic Good vid
LMAO! “The milks gone baaaaadddd!”
Speaking of no life! Spend your days on youtube thinking of one and me.
We are delighted to be in your head 24×7.
“The defense failed to hold leads late in games because they weren’t large enough.”
Classic. Screw the 5 yr waiting period. HOF worthy right there.
Houston,
Please find one single quote where one of us in the “Bunko Club” [can we use that name, or have you trade marked it? It's so clever] ever once said the defense wasn’t all that good and the offense carried the team. Just one.
Of course you can’t, because it’s, how did you put it, oh yeah, “utter poppycock”. “Utter poppycock”? OK, Mary Poppins.
@ex
He can’t.
But in houston’s screwy little world, if you don’t worship the D and don’t think they are perfect at all times, you are bashing them.
That is why I came up with that post of mine in the first place. At no point did I say the D was bad or anything remotely like it. At no point did I say the Defensive unit was not as good as the offensive unity.
I wanted to see if my hypothesis of a certain group was correct regarding “neutral observers” and it was correct.
DS,
It’s so funny isn’t it? ANY comment, no matter how qualified, no matter how much praise is given along with it, against the defense is considered by some to be heresy. On the other hand, the Anti-Smithers can bash Smith endlessly, and then freak out when someone suggests they might be going overboard. And, no, I’m not saying Smith’s play is as good as the defense’s.
I hope, for his sake, Houston was willfully being disingenuous. The alternative is not good for him.
@ex
“And, no, I’m not saying Smith’s play is as good as the defense’s.”
Shhhhhhh
Neither have I. That would be insane. Our D was like top…ever in a lot of things. But they did give up those leads and they did fail to stop the Giants from scoring after that first KW fumble. If the Niners sack EM on that 3rd down play, I wonder if the Giants even try for a FG. If not, we win that game. If they do try and make it, what happened after (KW great return and a FG of our own) still wins us the game. If we held them out of the endzone right there, there is no OT, no 2nd KW fumble, and yes, we win the game without ever converting a single 3rd down!
To imply the defense can’t improve is just…wrong. Even my #1 boy Justin Smith can improve.
Wanna see how the tag team of Onelame and ds started? Guess who’s who.
http://youtu.be/FMEe7JqBgvg
So is slick Jim saying that the Niner’s were evaulating Peyton and that was it, no contract was offered. I find that hard to believe would love to have heard Jed or Baalke point of view on this.
While I don’t understand the why of Harbough choosing to bring this up now, I do believe him when he says they weren’t “pursuing” Manning but were “evaluating” him (I’m assuming that Harbaugh’s definition of pursuing means offering a contract). I’m sure they talked contract numbers, but to me that is part of the due diligence process. Get a feel for what the player wants and let the player know where they value him. The big question is, was an offer ever put on the table?
Put it this way; “you had me at hello, (plane ride to North Carolina, sealed his fate)!”
No one disinterested in someone takes a flight that far for nothing. Harbaugh may have played his cards wrong on this one. This is a statement that would have been better left unspoken.
I think it comes down to semantics. I don’t believe Harbaugh is trying to say they weren’t interested – of course they were. But Harbaugh clearly thinks that being interested and checking out a player is not the same as pursuing.
@scooter
I am interested in a Ferrari. May go check it out if I know where to see one, or even test drive one.
That does not mean I am remotely interested in buying it, or that I am unhappy with my non-high performance sports cars.
So I’ve got the Giants on (come on Timmy, this is your night!) and I’m talking Niners with the boys. Doesn’t get better than this.
So I’m re-evaluating this a bit and here’s some thoughts:
1) Harbaugh was clearly responding to Beason’s interview (after the tweet thing.) It wasn’t any of us knuckleheads that he pays any attention to.
2) The salary cap situation looks believable to me. Doesn’t make sense to dump a bunch of dudes (possibly on defense) to get one guy.
3) Odd that the serious teams in this Manning thing had Manning come in and check out the facilities firsthand. Not sure what this says exactly. Could be that Manning was uncomfortable with the circus but it also could be (as reported somewhere, I believe in the beginning of this thing) the Manning was adamant about visiting the suitors. Wanted to see the facilities, etc.
4) Both Smith and Harbaugh reiterate that Smith was in the loop the whole time.
5) Smith said he looked forward to competing against Manning, so it’s possible that there was never any intention of dumping Smith. Probably would have moved Tolzien out and of course not gone after JJ. Sounds like Smith was in the loop the whole time.
6) Smith is not immune to competition. Hell, they’ve got a guy in competing with the long snapper.
That’s the fly in the ointment to me. I’m suspicious of Harbaugh but those points above are (I guess) mitigating circumstances?
The “Crabs has the best hands I’ve ever seen…” thing though is either Harbaugh pumping Crabs up or he actually believes it. Crabs has potential, don’t get me wrong but… “the best hands?” I’m not a coach but I’ve played and watched my Niners for over 40 years and something about that statement rings hollow to me.
I understand his statements about Rachal. He’s going to say all the guys are working hard, trying to improve, etc. Rachal took whatever deal he thought was best for him (Bears) and whether he’d been re-signed or not is anyone’s guess. My thought is NOT but I can’t prove it.
The other consideration here is that with the wheeler-dealer agents and GMs in these things now… who knows what games these guys play behind the scenes? Billy Ball anyone?
I watched the video on CSN and it’s hard to nail Harbaugh. He’s either telling the truth or he’s pathological. No real telltale body lingo that would say he’s being dishonest.
My conclusion is that I have serious doubts but some of this stuff at least rings true to me. I can’t prove anything one way or another so… let’s play some ball! :D
Manning going for the money makes sense to me too. I read somewhere the other day that Montana’s health insurance is $100k a year.
That’s not chump change. ESPN radio guys always talk about the average career for an NFL player is three years so… these guys really need to figure out what they’re going to do after football and make sure they’re taking care of themselves and their families. With possible neck issues in the future for Manning? Makes sense, take the money.
Man… speaking of that, TO! What a mess. Gets dumped from arena league and still can’t pay all the baby mamas. Dude had $30 mil (it’s estimated) at one time and now is completely broke. Unbelievable.
Too much Penis action, which leads to child support.
What do you know about that male anatomy part, your a little child trying to talk with adults. Go play son!
Confucius say: When raining, wear a slicker.
Prime and Adam,
The last thing I want to discuss with you is my ding a ling.
It baffles me that Harbaugh would stoop to Beason’ level to make a point. As I said earlier, some things are better left unspoken.
But I totally agree with watching the Giants tonight. I heard that Kemp re-injured his leg running the bases. I never cheer for injuries, but I only hope the Giants can make up some ground if Kemp is out for an extented period of time.
*extended*
AES
He is not stooping to any level. This is who JH is. Look at his career in an unbiased view. Both as a player and coach.
JH could care less what anybody outside his locker room thinks of him. They don’t matter to his job/performance/etc. JH is only concerned about those people who were his teammates/now players who entrust him with everything they have.
JH isn’t stooping. JH is being himself. Maybe that first year record hid your eyes from who he is. It didn’t mine. I don’t watch college football at all (hence no opinion on college players/draft) but even I knew JH was loved by his players and hated by the media for not kissing their rear ends. And if I knew it, so must have you at some level.
JH is doing the same here and now. Wake up from any dream you were having of him having a different personality. Because that dream world is an illusion. JH is a testament to what I think may be one of the best compliment a player/coach can have. “You want/love him on your side, and hate him if he isn’t.”
from AES …”It baffles me that Harbaugh would stoop to Beason’ level to make a point. As I said earlier, some things are better left unspoken.”
…it baffles me you didn’t consider that advice before you wrote that……..
Just told my wife I was not pursuing Eva Longoria, I merely evaluated her. Nothing was said to Eva that I didn’t say to my wife.
Eva will be fine and my wife will return home soon from her business trip in Miami.
I just want to say I only listen to Shakira for her voice, nothing about her looks or dancing interests me.
Neal,
You listen to Shakira? How? Why?
Are you going to believe what your wife tells you when she comes home?
Thanks for asking, my wife just arrived home from Miami. She said she was “not offended at all that I evaluated Eva Longoria and she would have relished the opportunity to compete with Eva to remain my wife.
…….he has no choice but to believe his wife, without her he is just another black hole….
Tell your wife it was nice meeting her and the next time she is in town, to look me up, she knowes where I work.
“…and she would have relished the opportunity to compete with Eva to remain my wife.”
Hahaha. Ah… the competing during the organized team activities!
The media days would have been populated by skeezy dudes with camcorders from San Fernando Valley. Ha!
:P
undercenter/water – Hilarious!! Belly laugh!
undercenter,
Why would Crab15′s wife call you, does she have a thing for Vienna Sausage?
Why not listen to her ex golfer, would love to give her a hole in one.Maybe with my putter.
Brilliant, Crab!
I guess discussing trade possibilities would be out of line, huh?
Rusty – You’re way too funny man. How’s it goin in the O.C. bro? You ever get to the stick for Niner games Rusty?
Did I ever tell you I grew up in the O.C? (2 miles from D-Land).
Glad you didn’t take offense, Crab! Life’s pretty good down here in Lower California. Dland sends it’s regards; we hear the fireworks every night right next door here in Orange. I’ve never gotten up there for a game, but my favorite fantasy is to win the lottery, then contact a bunch of the guys from here, and buy tix for everybody to see the game together. Of course, not EVERYBODY here…but there are a lot of guys here I’d like to meet.
Rusty – I hope you can win the lottery and take all your buddies to the stick.
I get the NFL ticket to watch all games but I try to ge to the stick once a year.
I’m still in the area bro, just over the hill (Corona).
We have small Niner game parties. You are welcome over Rusty, just don’t know how to privately contact you or if you’re interested. As you know, it can get creepy on the net. Go Niners!!
Creepy on the net is right, amigo. Still, this is a dead thread for most people by now, so if you get back here, you can contact me via my website at http://www.RustysVoice.com. That’ll weed out some of the undesirables!
This story is going to go on and on. You can bet the reporters are going to flock to PM and get his version of what is what. I can fully appreciate the reluctance on the part of Harbaugh and others to say anything about anything.
You may be right Underwater. But I believe PM will not give it any life and take the high road.
Shoots, did it again@$#$@! Sorry ‘UnderCENTER’
In non-Manning from March news, Michael Crabtree, Anthony Davis and Donte Whitner were back at practice today.
Sure hope that one day excused absence didn’t throw off the developing chemistry between AS and MC too much….
I have to be honest, I’m more interested in Whitner than I am in Crabtree or Davis.
The defense matters – the offense is the weak sister on this team.
Whitner. I agree.
Although it’s good to have Crabs healthy and involved. Good sign.
I’m wondering if Spencer is the Whitner-in-training.
Brotha, “I’m wondering if Spencer is the Whitner-in-training.”
Who is the Spencer you are referring to?
@ Jack
Uh-oh. Senior moment on my part? Isn’t Spencer the 6th round draft pick safety? Mich State? Short guy, so that’s why I’m reminded of Whitner.
@ Jack. Nope. I was thinking of Trenton Robinson. Just the Alzheimer’s, not drinking yet! : >)
No sweat Brotha ; )
I am looking forward to seeing Robinson play as well. He might be a good value pick based on how good he was in college, and where we got him.
According to some, it was devastating news (lol).
Theriot, RBI. Ties it up! Sweet!
OK, back to football.
Hahaha! Nice Adam.
Go Giants!
Ack, Timmy gave up a run. 2-1 D-Backs.
Ugh. Timmy needs a win. Got to get some confidence back. His ERA is atrocious.
Now a ground rule double.
Urgh…
….The Cam Newton thing got a lot of coverage. .
Smith: “It did. . . If there’s a good thing that came from all the drama that kind of came of it, hopefully people didn’t catch on to the fact that we let out a team secret that around here we don’t really care about individual stats. If I can say anything, that’s the one good thing. Hopefully, it kind of covered that up.”…..
…..nice……
Jim Harbaugh doesn’t give a damn about what anybody thinks of him. He only cares about what his players think. Alex Smith is the only player on this squad whose feelings need nurturing. Harbaugh does a wonderful job of doing that. He’s the master. Looking out for his caddy.
Harbaugh was channelling his inner Waylon Jennings,
“Everything I told him then was true
Everything was true at the time
But time has a way of changing everything
Truth has a way of changing all the time”
“We have always been at war with Eurasia”
@ Clemons
LOL @ Orwell. I had an anti-warfare rant all typed-out but in a rare bit of grace I had the sense to delete it. I tend not to like it when others here stray into politics or religion, so I didn’t press ‘send’. The morning caffeine must be wearing off and its easier to just say: “Om”.
Harbaugh and Baalke are way too smart to not have evaluated Manning before choosing whether to try to sign him. While PM has been one of the greatest QB’s ever, he may well have been on the decline prior to his surgeries. Any NFL coach/GM would ask the question, “Can he still do it” after a year off and several surgeries.
Perhaps they then evaluated PM’s financial requirements.
After these two steps, pursuit begins and I believe it begins with an negotiation in which an interested team makes an offer it can live with that they think the player might bite on.
It sounds like that is what Harbaugh is talking about.
As for the “there was no scenario in which we let Smith go” thing, I always thought the Niners had having both of them in mind. Obviously, PM would be a great mentor for Smith. Additionally, at any price, PM is a big risk to suffer a career ending reinjury at any time.
If we signed PM, who would we had to release???
Asked if the 49ers would have been unable to fit Manning under the salary cap, Harbaugh said: “It’s not your right or anybody else’s right to know exactly what those implications would have been. But you can understand. We weren’t …. The best fit for us was Alex Smith. And we weren’t going to give up a sixth of our salary cap to anybody. Because we like six or seven of the guys we’ve got on our current team that much.”
Read more here: http://blogs.sacbee.com/49ers/archives/2012/05/harbaugh-perception-that-49ers-pursued-manning-is-phony.html#more#storylink=cpy
@txtree
I did a post awhile back on the salary PM got and who we would have lost to get him. Basically came down to losing:
1. Our best CB (Rodgers)
2. Who would be our best young OLB prospect on any other team (Brooks)
3. Our best ST non-ball possessor player in Spillman
4. And now our all world punter Andy Lee, among several others.
So, basically we lose the best players we have in our best units to get a guy who may not get up the next morning and have full motion in his neck.
Do the math yourself. If you like those little games where you balance the state/federal budget, you’ll love this.
http://www.spotrac.com/nfl/san-francisco-49ers/
See who/how many players you need to get rid of to get PM in here. You can do a lot of different things, but in no scenario do you end up with a greater depth of talent coming in (PM) than you have going out (all the other players we lose/cut/don’t resign).
That’s where the “evaluation” versus “interest” statement has been validated. Those that don’t want to believe JH, how would the 9ers handled the salary cap challenges if they signed PM? Easy to say, oh there was interest, but really, those that don’t believe JH can’t possibly address how the 9ers FO would have paid PM and kept all of their players. Now they need to move on…
Baalke and Harbaugh are smart people. I am begining to think that the money part wasnt going to be anywhere near what PM wanted. Reason is salary cap issues, there is no way that the Niners purge there roster for PM or any other player. The niners have worked for 10 years to get where they are at. I believe the biggest part of any offer to PM was the real chance to get to the Super Bowl. I do believe the Niners were serious about getting PM but not at the price that PM wanted. The hard thing about Manning making his decesion was money versus a real shot at the Super Bowl. Manning choose money not glory. There is no way with Mannings neck does the Niners go out on a limb and screw up a really good roster, to take a huge risk without a 100 percent gaurantee, that not only they go to the big dance but to win it.
Essentially, I think it comes down to the 49ers were interested in Manning at a price that suited their budget. The budget was well below what Manning wanted, and what other teams were willing to pay, so the 49ers didn’t “pursue” him (i.e., bring him in for a visit, offer a contract, etc). Its the same principle they apply to every free agent.
……nice feedback from the OTA…….the pictures of Moss catching a pass against the defense is awesome…..
http://www.bayareasportsguy.com/49ers-ota-notes-and-photos-all-eyes-still-on-randy-moss/
What’s new? In ds’s warped world. Anyone can catch a pass against this defense. Lol that’s you “it”
…whatz new?..…..”The defense gave up late leads… After the offense couldn’t build a good one”….
Reading comprehension issues?
No surprise. Came to expect that before I ever started posting after reading your stuff for a few years.
Never said that md. Never implied it.
The comedian keeps them coming at a fast and furious pace!
“The defense gave up late leads because the lead was not large enough.”
Classic!
dr,
Perhaps in this case, there are many layers in regards to interest. In a business world maybe interest begins with contract negotiations rather than evaluations?
If this is the case maybe Harbaugh is absolved, but his statement and the timing of it still smacks of being rehearsed, awkward, and suspiciously unsolicited.
Why would you suddenly shift gears (when speaking about Sopoaga throwing the ball) to make this statement? Huh????
dr,
Harbaugh also said that “Alex Smith was the best ‘fit’ for the 49ers.”
Then why not re-sign him before he became a free agent?
If the mindset of the Org was convinced that AS was their man, but all means why take a chance in him possibly signing with Miami?
The mystery surrounding “Lie-Gate” may not go away quitely into the night (lol).
A dead horse aes… Guess who started this crap? Some “neutral” posters say the “haters” are always stirring up problems on here. Let’s look back at the moron beating his chest in an attempt to start a new fight. Hmmm it’s the same coward who keeps ducking my question. One player, one agenda, one train of thought….. Onelame!
*by all means”
When it comes to Alex Smith his contract speaks louder tha Harbaugh. Matt Barrows talks like a AS hater too?
http://blogs.sacbee.com/49ers/archives/2012/05/when-it-comes-to-alex-smith-contract-speaks-louder-than-harbaugh.html#more
Good to see you continue the non-biased trait in your comments. lol
I think there is probably some truth in what Barrows said too. I would think Smith was not happy about the interest in Manning, and I’m also guessing the contract he was offered may have been reduced had Manning signed, which is why he went to Miami to see what they would offer.
The point I keep coming back to is would Harbaugh lie about something he needs Smith to collaberate? Everything he said yesterday would involve Smith knowing the truth and I find it hard to believe Smith would go along with it if it was all fabricated.
Why is Alex Smith the only Starting QB in the NFL that needs his confidence boosted? I say the Smithers need to offer Alex a group hug!! Now I know why Singletary called him “meek”. That’s why Jimmy Raye said that Alex lacks confidence and has confidence issues.
Alex Smith was that kid on your little league baseball team that got to start in right field because his dad was the coach!!! the kid that cried when he struck out! Lol. Harbaugh clearly got the memo. Nolan called Smith soft and hurt Alex’s feelings. Thank Gos Smithers for Harbaugh. He protects Alex from all the bad guys!
Jordo, anything new to add? Seems like you’ve been down that road many times. We get it…over and over and over!
Hof, why do you fuel this clown with any response?
hof
why do you keep asking?
FDM, it’s my extreme “fix” for the day. lol
Its a bad joke now, kinda like knock knock, whos there jokes, you have heard them all before so its not even funny or worth listening to, he is so irrelevant now that its not worth even looking at.
Hof is wierd like that……..next he will complain Jordan Welcher posts too much…..
…he is the blog bipolar commenter….
just like ninermd is the blog clown and bum
and AES is the blog flip flopper
Per Adam Shefter, Espn.
” They did try to sign Peyton Manning. This is Jim Harbaughs attempt to boost Alex Smith’s confidence.
How many times did Alex Smith get his lunch money taken in elementary school?? What happened to his confidence? Hover, Fdm, Claude, ribico, BS, onecolt, FDC, LSX, how often was your lunch money taken??? Obviously, too often. You clowns are pathetic. Where will you go after Smith is gone this year.
By the way. Crabtree has the best hands I’ve ever seen! Bwahahahahaha!!!
oneniner
hof and 23J are like Golem and the ring. Where Golem loathes yet needs the ring.
Why he can’t skip his posts like he does mine, I don’t know.
…..I can see the Golem comparison……Golem is bipolar also……
….. I am very sure he pretends to skip your post but actually does read them…….
oneniner
I actually didn’t think of the bi-polar thing with my comment till I posted it.
You may be right about hof reading my posts. He somehow makes an appropriate response to anothers comment about my post that can’t happen unless he read my post.
If it weren’t for Hof the haters would be non exsistent. Why he engages them in repeated conversations is beyond me. Let them have their childish tantrums and move on.
The reason the Niners didnt want Manning was for salary cap reasons. Like JH said, they were not willing to give a player a 6th of their cap and then have to release possibly 6 guys to fit him under.
Alex is not elite like Manning, he might not be a HOF, but one thing is clear, he is the best fit right now moving forward. The Niners are finally a team out of salary cap purgatory, they have depth across the board, why would the organization jeopardize all that for a 36 yearold, high priced player who we dont know is fully capbale to play an entire season based on 4 surgeries in 19 months?
We are already a contender and were two fumbles away from a SB appearance. Now with another offseason with the same staff and very good upgrades in free agency and the draft, we should be even better.
Well stated FDM. Grant’s bullet points at the top of the post are pretty much what I got out of it all along by reading between the lines. I think too that in Peyton’s perfect scenario, he’d be able to strongly influence the offensive scheme. JH would’ve (imo) limited PM more to the team’s system, while Elway likely trusts PM enough to give him a freer rein. Besides, it gets Elway & Fox out of Tebow-Hell, since neither were big believers.
Athletes, especially QBs who’ve been successful hate to change. Listen to Big Ben whine & fuss about learning a new offensive scheme; Peyton being able to run his own show made a difference in the agreement. The money? Heck, hard to resist.
The main thing I’m getting out of this thread of comments is that most here are just sticking to their preconceptions about Alex/Manning/Harbaugh despite what is written or said by anyone.
Propagandists know that if you repeat something enough times, some people will believe it is true. Recent evidence? How about Donald Trump reviving the ‘Birther’ issue? JFC!
The only thing that seems clear out of this whole mess (to me) is that Baalke respects “value” over “need”. We’ve seen it in the draft (twice) and it must be the case (to a certain degree) with FAs, too. Coach also seems to go along with this, that’s why he’s got players playing both sides of the scrimmage line – the more you can do, the greater your value.
Baalke is proving to be pretty shrewd. If there was a case where six or seven roster spots had to be eliminated in order to sign Manning? My guess is Baalke squashed that like a bug.
One of the top priorities this off-season was for Baalke and the front office to keep the defense together. If there were cap hits to come along with Manning, who’s to say some of those sacrifices wouldn’t have come from defense? With two out of three phases operating on all eight cylinders and an offense that is starting to come alive in its own right, why mess with the chemistry?
I don’t know who to believe in this mess. I just want the season to start. Pro sports anymore is turning in to this nasty reality show kind of crap. Who needs more drama?
@Adam
TB and JH have done what they promised they would do. Everybody else said they would not, and made up stories based on nothing but uninformed speculation.
Listen to what JH/TB have said/done. It is nothing like what the media and fans say. So, ignore all of that. Look at the facts. Not the perceived facts. Things do acutally make sense when you do and accept them. If you (not saying you are) don’t, then you are in going to be doing one conspiracy thing after another to explain how things happen. Going off of one superstition or another instead of known facts.
There was a time people did that routinely (take superstition over fact). It was called the Dark Ages. I prefer living in this age much more, don’t you?
The whole Manning courting didnt work out because its always about the team, the team, the team with Baalke and Harbaugh. They obviously believe Manning is one of the best QB’s ever, why wouldnt they evalaute/pursue that option, why didnt all the other 31 teams do it? The reason it didnt happen because ownership didnt believe the salary demand was right for them. Also, Baalke was probably not thrilled about losing the depth at certain positons which he has done pretty well over the last two drafts and free agency, and at the end of the day, Harbaugh believes he can win with Smith.
There is no underlying message here.
Its the NFL business of trying to get better and win a championship without sacrificing your long term cap structure and depth.
@ Adam
I agree completely on Baalke being a value guy, and he and his FO have some clearly defined specific values for players around the league. The dancing around PM and Namdi and David Baas seem to show that. Dashon too.
Adam,
I agree with you on Baalke. Pre-injury, Manning’s numbers were in a clear, steady decline. There is no reason to expect Manning’s QB rating to rebound back up to around 100.
If healthy, Manning will be a very good QB, but, IMO, there’s no guarantee he’ll reclaim his elite status. Add to that his age and salary demands, it’s easy to see why the 49ers passed on him. I think it says a little about Smith, but much more about how the 49ers saw Manning.
@ex
PM is like a Ferrari which was refurbished, and being sold at a price as if it were brand new.
Sure, everybody will come take look at the car. But practically nobody really is serious about getting it. They just want to see it/touch it/maybe drive it a bit, but the insurance costs alone may be that to a small mortgage.
yes. Most teams GM’s took a look. If a Ferrari were parked on your street, you would take a look at it I am sure. Some may even talk to the owner about the car. Some of those may ask about buying it or one like it. But in truth, hardly any of the spectators are remotely interested in getting it at the asking price. If it costs as much as a Honda Accord, they would be serious about getting it. But not at the price asked.
Same thing with PM.
I agree with what you posted, the 49ers had to try for manning. Duh. Who wouldn’t besides a hand full of teams. Other than that since manning isn’t coming here. I can’t see why anyone but smith would take the position. Smith played as harbaugh’s freshman last season. And with the qb guru record harbaugh’s possesses. I believe smith will take every advantage of his knowledge and succeed this season. After playing not to make a mistake, and played well that way, we gotta see if he can take it to the next level.
MD, well said.
After looking at what Harbaugh said and trying to piece together the events that took place during the non pursuit of Manning I think it went down like this:
The team and Smith aren’t agreeing to a contract but the parameters are in place.
Manning either wants to drive the price up or is genuinely interested in playing for a SB ready team and instructs Condon to contact the Niners
The Niners not having Smith signed, decide to “evaluate” Manning and go to NC to watch him workout.
They then decide he’s healthy enough and they are interested for the right price. Remember the reports stated that the teams were comfortable with the numbers Manning and Condon were working off of but there was never any link to the Niners offering the kind of money Manning actually got.
Manning decides on Denver, calls the other two teams, Smith gets a mill added to his offer and signs.
Here’s what I think happened. The Niners were exploring the idea of having Manning, but only on their financial terms. It was a take the money or come and win a SB situation. If they were able to sign Manning to a contract meeting their terms, they were also intent on signing Smith as well and having him as the backup to Manning in case Manning got injured or didn’t have the ability he previously did. Manning decided to take the money and avoid the SB or nothing pressure he’d face in SF.
If this is how it played out, then Harbaugh can say what he did yesterday and it has elements of truth to it. First, pursing a player means you tell him you want him and offer him a contract. If the Niners hadn’t discussed contract but let Manning know they weren’t going to pay him what the others were, then Harbaugh can characterize that as “evaluating.”
I didn’t think it was possible, and it probably wasn’t, but I now think the hope was they could sign both Manning and Smith, and that Harbaugh is telling the truth in this regard. There is no way he’s going to lie about something Alex Smith was privy to, which in this case was pretty much everything because Smith and Manning share the same agent. Unless Smith has decided to ignore his Coaches lies and just go with it, I think most of what Harbaugh said yesterday is true. The only gray area is the pursuit vs. evaluate reference imo.
Rocket, the evaluate versus interest versus pursuit, as I stated above was validated by the salary cap. You can evaluate, but how can you possibly keep all of your players and sign PM? The one year deal wouldn’t work here unless like Denver, the signing risk is only averted by re-injury. So yes, I think it was only evaluation.
Hofe, only my opinion, but I believe the Org tried to low-ball (money) PM with the hopes in selling him with the notion of a Superbowl.
PM did not bit, end of story!
AES, I would add that PM chose Den because he could run his offense plus they could pay the bucks – both conditions high on the contract must haves.
rocket
It is as I said it would be. PM would have to compete with AS. PM didn’t want to do that. He never competed for a job in the NFL at any time. If he was interested in competing for a job, he would have remained in Indy.
Like I said, there is no way the Niners FO would ever put up anywhere near as much money as the Broncos were. Many here said they would (and none have admitted it yet). To get PM they would. I knew they would not, because the Niners are run by logical thinking now,and logical thinking tells you not to sign PM for near $20 million/year. Doing so would result in the team losing pretty much every Niner FA. And nobody is worth that. If there ever was a contract or even discussions on contracts, it would probably be for not that much more than what AS was going to get. I’m guessing no more than $12 million a year tops.
Then the TC competition would be on. The loser would be let go and a mad rush to get a quality QB for dirt cheap (way less than 12/8 million) would have happened.
Everybody who wanted PM didn’t see the pattern that was already present here. Competition happens everywhere. Every position. If there is anybody available who is remotely near the skill of the player they already have and they can sign a deal which does not kill the teams salary cap in the process, that player will come here (assuming they are interested of course). No matter the position.
JH said that in his opening few days as HC (I think his introduction as Niner HC even). And that has played out. It would not change for PM. Not for anybody. But people didn’t take the guy at his word. I did. For me, I will take everybody at their word until I have reason not to anymore. JH never gave me reason not to.
The other point that validates “evaluation” is the need for PM to run the show on offense. I could never see JH agree to that condition. They knew that up front because PM was only talking to the three main teams, that had to be laid out in the terms of any agreement.
Rocket,
Great comment. The way you laid it out makes a lot of sense.
Hopefully the Manning discussion will just go away soon. This is a 2 1/2 month old story. The team and player seem happy, so let’s move forward.
>>Hopefully the Manning discussion will just go away soon.
And when the Alex supporters say that Harbaugh has his back we’ll be spared of BUT HE WENT AFTER MANNING!!!”.
Hopefully.
Exactly Rib! Just don’t call him a Smither ; )
If the 9ers were intent on signing Smith AND Manning why did they let it get to the point where Smith was negotiating a contract with the Dolphins? Why did they increase the offer to Smith only AFTER Manning picked the Broncos?
I can see no realistic scenario whatsoever where Peyton Manning would sign with a team to be the backup. It’s a fantasy to believe there would have been a competition at QB. If Manning signs with the 9ers then he’s the starter and Smith is gone. IMHO it would be insulting to Peyton Manning to say, “we want to sign you to compete with Alex Smith at QB. If you win then youre the starter.” I just can’t see that conversation ever taking place.
Houston 9er,
They had the offer on the table but Smith didn’t like it so he did what he needed to do by checking other alternatives.
Once Manning signed with Denver they knew they had some extra $ to spend so they gave Smith an extra million to get it done.
Because the Niners would not be baited into paying more. The Broncos were fooled (fools). No other team was going to pay that much for PM. PM played the Broncos like an ace. Using the Niners as a trump card to get the Broncos to pay him more.
AS was going to resign eventually anyway. The only question was “Will he be joined by PM?” And as I said this whole time, “No”.
Why do you keep thinking that there would be a backup to the loser? The Niners can write the contracts so that they don’t pay anything (or like very little) until the season starts. The other QB would simply be let go. The Niners would not keep a backup QB for 8-12 million. No team would.
PM was scared about competing and wanted total control. 2 things he never would have gotten coming here.
Houston,
You can’t see that conversation because logical thinking 49er fans know it didn’t happen. Some jackazz up here said that Manning didn’t sign with the Nuners because he didn’t want to compete with Alex Smith! That would’ve been really tough on Manning.
Why did Smith fly to Miami the day after JH and Roman’s visit became public? Especially if Smith claims that he knew about the trip to see Manning? Jar sigh is a good coach and a bad liar. Smith has no spine at all. JH continually tries to buy him respect in the locker room. The Smithers all say that the team respects Alex and support him. What the heck are they supposed to say? We don’t?
It will be great to have a QB that the head coach doesn’t have to spoil and defend. That the fans don’t have to defend. A QB that can defend himself with his play on the field.
In the famous words of a great jets linebacker. “Can’t Wait!”
DS,
Peyton Manning is not afraid to compete with anybody. If you really believe that, good for you. If you really believe Harbaugh when he says they weren’t pursuing Manning, good for you. Harbaugh sounds like Bill Clinton during the Lewinski scandal.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RX9tKkNzSSo
Houston,
No he wouldn’t sign to be a backup and I can’t see the Niners doing that. However, if the plan was to sign both, then the Niners would obviously not be offering the same money as Denver which would explain his decision to go there instead.
It’s pure speculation on all our parts and Harbaugh just gave us another topic to argue endlessly about. Thanks Jim.
Nothing to argue rocket. The facts are consistent with the TB/JH mantra. Everything lines up. Maybe not how many wanted, but it does line up.
So DS you’re argument is that 1st Ballot Hall of Fame QB Peyton Manning was told that the 9ers plan was to sign both Manning and Alex Smith who Manning would compete with for the starting job with the loser being cut before the season? And Alex Smith was also under the same pretense about his contract offer? Do you honestly think the 9ers went to Manning and said that they wanted to sign him to see if he could beat out Alex Smith for the starting job? You don’t think for a second they went to him and said, we want to sign you for the right money to be our starting QB? You will be our starter and we think we can win a Superbowl with you at the helm.
IMHO there is no way in HELL future HOF QB Peyton Manning would even consider signing with a team without the full understanding that he would be the unquestioned starter from the day he signed the contract.
@Houston:
Manning didn’t sign with the 49ers.
@CB. No kidding. What’s your point?
@Houston:
You said:
IMHO there is no way in HELL future HOF QB Peyton Manning would even consider signing with a team without the full understanding that he would be the unquestioned starter from the day he signed the contract.
Peyton Manning did not sign with the 49ers. His non-signing is consistent with DS’ speculation.
I am not saying that I share that speculation (I don’t), only that it is not inconsistent with the facts.
So if you follow DS speculation,
Manning flatly turned down a starting job with the Dolphins. Manning turned down the starting job with the Cardinals. Manning turned down the starting job with the Titans.
Manning took over a week to decide between being the sure fire starter in Denver and the opportunity to compete as the starter in SF with full knowledge the 9ers still intended to sign Smith after they signed Manning. That is a plausible scenario to you?
@Houston:
I said that I didn’t share the speculation.
I also am not convinced that things ever got to the stage where the 49ers made any kind of offer for Manning to consider. I suspect that the 49ers let Manning know that there was ceiling to their interest (i.e., we’re not giving 1/6 of our salary cap to a single player), and that once Tennessee and Denver went past that ceiling, Manning crossed the 49ers off his list.
I think it’s pure silliness to suggest Manning even considered the 9ers with the understanding he would have to compete with Alex Smith. I find that notion to be asinine.
Houston
Before you start turning things around and make electrons into positive charged particles, we need to get some things straight:
1. It is not MY plan. It is the plan that the known facts provided this whole time. TB/JH have said that they believe in competition in every position, and they do.
2. Just because things don’t makes sense to outsiders (us) does not mean that the plan was ever deviated from. We don’t know what is going on unless they want us to know. Deal with it or find another hobby.
That being said, nobody was going to pay PM a ton of money besides the Broncos.
Look at the 3 final teams:
1. Niners
2. Broncos
3. Titans.
The Titans already have their placeholder Super Bowl, often injured vet QB in Matt H. They already drafted their supposed QB of the future in Jacke Lockler(?) I believe. The Titans are building a team for the future, not the present. If they signed PM, they would be in the same hole the Niners would be in. Losing a lot of good/young talent at the expense of getting PM. And PM won’t be taking that team to the Super Bowl either. Pitt/Baltimore/Pats are more than a match for PM and the Titans.
Niners – Same as the Titans in many respects. Except we may have our future QB as our present QB already, and we are a Super Bowl team without PM anyway. We get PM for the price he seemed to want, we lose all our own FA’s in the process.
Do my little game in my post above (9:19AM). See how many players and talent we lose to get a guy who sucks in the playoffs. And tell me the overall talent on the team improved.
And you’re right. PM would never consider a job where he had to compete. If he did, why not come here? If you think you are better than AS, then it isn’t that hard to prove, then. Is it? You just come in here, knock the crap out of AS and take the job. You win the Super Bowl, get your agent to renegotiate an even higher salary for 2013 and if the Niners don’t cave into your demands, they are without their Super Bowl HOF QB. So eat that! he can say to the FO. Just like he did the Colts.
Fact is PM has never competed for a job. Fact is the Broncos first act (even before introducing PM) was to ship Tebow off somewhere. Why? Why not keep Tebow as well? Let him learn from the HOF QB. They shipped him off for two reasons
1. Elway hates the guy
2. PM didn’t want anybody who had to worry about taking his job.
Tebow couldn’t have been that costly for them salary wise. That would be like shipping CK out if PM came here. Young talent, not costing you a lot, you keep them. If you don’t, you are stupid or following the orders of somebody who thinks the world revolves around them (AKA PM).
“I think it’s pure silliness to suggest Manning even considered the 9ers with the understanding he would have to compete with Alex Smith. I find that notion to be asinine.”
Well then houston;
Maybe PM never did consider the Niners then. He just used them to gain leverage to get a lot more money than anybody not named Denver would offer him. Which is what I also suggested.
+2
“So if you follow DS speculation,
Manning flatly turned down a starting job with the Dolphins. Manning turned down the starting job with the Cardinals. Manning turned down the starting job with the Titans.”
What???
My speculation has to do with the Niners plan of competition. And, yes, PM did choose not to go to those clubs. That is fact. There is a lot more to it than that, but it is fact none-the-less.
…houston and his made up facts….”why did they let it get to the point where Smith was negotiating a contract with the Dolphins”
…….Alex never negotiated a contract with the dolphins
rocket:
Wow, instead of assuming facts that support a preconceived theory (or making up facts), you actually took known facts acts, applied logic and thenformed a theory that is consistent with those facts.
I am afraid that sets the bar too high for this blog. Why can’t you post comments like everyone else?
We are a QB away from the SB!
@rocket
Good points.
Did anyone else speculates one of SF’s selling point might be there won’t be pressure on PM to start 16+ games in SF?
That might be a good option, healthwise, for PM in his first season back from rehab.
The AS/PM combo allows PM time to fit into a new system. Didn’t JH try to go with a 2 QB system at Stanford?
Its kind of ironic to me that Harbaugh, who seems to not like all the media fluff, second-guessing and speculating, can’t extricate himself from it completely. The way the the PM/AS thing was brought up, he clearly had something on his mind to say; and he expressed it that way. Seems funny that he cares enough to ‘go there’.
I’m reminded of the AD/Grant non-issue in that in both cases, AD & this one with JH, they’re responses showed knowledge of and opinion on what’s written in the media. I didn’t think they cared, but in this Facebook & Twitter age, and sports news reacting like TMZ, it would be hard not to.
I think he feels the need to support his players even if it is sometimes over the top. In this case, given all of the crap AS was dished regarding his contract, JH didn’t want to be added to the “AS thrown under the bus” crowd JH discussed back in February of 2011.
Per Adam Shefter ESPN,
“the San Francisco 49ers did try and sign Petton Manning. This is an attempt to boost Alex Smith’s confidence.”
We all know Adam Shefter is a hater like Greg Cosell and the rest of us! Bwahahahahahaha!
OK…so now on to current news. Grant any new articles on the OTA’s?
Hofer,
I am at headquarters and I can confirm that there are several players walking around drinking Gatorade.
Adam Shefter stating the obvious.
Yeah, I don’t know why Harbaugh even brought it up again. Elite Alex and Crabs G.H.O.A.T. = Super Bowl, that’s how I’m rolling.
The only thing we know about Shefter is that he’s calling Harbaugh a liar. And Jordo takes up his case.
Way to go there “Niner fan”.
So you’re saying Shefter is a liar?
Houston,
There’s another possibility: Schefter’s source could be wrong. I’m sure that’s happened a time, or two.
I suppose that’s a possibility. But then Shefter would have to chose between his source and Harbaugh. Shefter did not say, According to sources. He emphatically said the 49ers did try to sign Manning.
What is Shefter’s motive for lieing? Why would he put himself on the line and potentially ruin a relationship with a team?
@Houston:
But then Shefter would have to chose between his source and Harbaugh.
Hmmm, let’s see. Whom would he choose, his source, who by definition provides Shefter with information and access, or Harbaugh, who has a testy relationship with the media and who has made it clear that he isn’t interested in cooperating with them?
Yeah, that’s a tough choice. It’s just too close to call.
Yeah Claude. It’s a tough call.
Shefter emphatically contradicted Harbaugh because Harbaugh is mean to the media. That’s brilliant.
@ex
“Schefter’s source could be wrong. ”
Yeah. Same inside source 23J’s friend is I betcha.
@Houston:
That’s not what I said. Shefter has no incentive to cultivate Harbaugh as a potential source because Harbaugh has made it clear that will not play that game. The possibility of offending Harbaugh is of little consequence to Shefter.
Well Cb. I would say Shefter has a professional interest in reporting accurately. Shefter has an interest in building and maintaining good relationships with all 32 teams. You’re premise that Shefter emphatically contradicted an NFL coach because he has a source and doesn’t care what the coach of the team has to say about the matter is foolish to put it mildly.
You can’t report what people don’t discuss. And organizations (good ones) control what is said and not said.
What is known is what has been said in public. Everything else is speculative.
@Houston:
Whether Shefter’s source is right or wrong, Shefter flatly contradicted Harbaugh, so he obviously is comfortable with the risk.
>>So you’re saying Shefter is a liar?
One of them is. I have my team’s coach’s back. You?
@ribs, You’ve got his back? What? Are you in middle school? Do you think Shefter and Harbaugh are going to meet in the commons and throw down? Are you at the ready to have Harbaugh’s back in case some of Shefter’s friends jump in? Jeesh. That was silly.
I think Shefter, Maiocco, and Barrows all reported accurately that the 9ers did discuss contract parameters with Mannings agent. I think many posters on here have it right that Harbaugh is twisting the circumstances of the story to protect Smith after the Cam Newton quote. IMHO, Harbaugh said what he felt he had to say but it was a tactical mistake on his part. Instead of deflecting attention from Smith, he has now revived a dead story that will cause Smith to have to go back and revisit all the crap he went through in the 49ers “evaluation” of Manning.
Houston there you go again with your faux news…..
Where is your article to back this up???
“I think Shefter, Maiocco, and Barrows all reported accurately that the 9ers did discuss contract parameters with Mannings agent.”
Those guys never reported 49ers were discussing contract parameters with Manning……what they all reported was JH pursued Manning and JH is saying he only evaluated Manning…..
your lack of knowledge and ability to make up your own facts is consistent tho……
97 days to go……can’t wait!!!!
Best comment today!
That is 97 days too many. This is going to be a great season.
What do you think of P-Diddy’s kid accepting $54,000 in scholarship money to play football for UCLA?.And the Diddy’s haven’t offered to pay ..even though he flaunts being wealthy?
Interesting that Denzel Washington’s kid turned one down..because his Dad could afford to give that scholarship to a low income student.
Slow news day Stan?
Heard this topic on Mike & Mike espn affiliate this morning.
If the kid earned it, he deserves it. Many people get rewarded people for less accomplishments.
A good take from MM on the Manning saga and how the 9ers could have afforded both QB’s.
http://www.csnbayarea.com/football-san-francisco-niners/niners-talk/Decoding-Harbaugh-Manning-Smith-was-all-?blockID=717180&feedID=5936
I have respect for what Harbaugh did last season but i hope he doesnt make a mistake with putting his eggs in Smith his basket cuz that will be his downfall if he wants to be elite he should do what Walsh did with Deberg and Montana.
Personal pride should be put away in this case cuz its only our franchise that counts no i make Alex Smith better fairytales.
I think fans project their biases and prejudices of Alex Smith in interpreting Harbaugh’s comments. I take Harbaugh’s words at face value. Why? Because I feel his views and his words are self consistent.
I’ve followed Harbaugh for too long to second-guess what he says. Back in 2007 when he arrived at Stanford, he declared that his team will play hard-nosed physical football and “bow to no programs”. Many Stanford fans rolled our eyes because we were used to Walt Harris team playing soft and throwing in the towel mid-season (or even mid-game and getting blown out). Meanwhile right after he arrived, Harbaugh overhauled the strength and conditioning program at Stanford and got to work. He knew what he wanted but the fans were not clear about it. Harbaugh went against the grain of spread offenses in college and installed a pro-style Schembechler-influenced WCO at Stanford.The results were soon apparent in the historic win over USC on October 6 2007, ending USC’s 35-game home winning streak.
I suspect a difference in opinion between F.O and coaching staff over Peyton and Alex. I believe Harbaugh always wanted Alex over Peyton all along because Harbaugh wants a QB who will implement his offensive plan. He does NOT want a hired gun for a couple of years — a QB who has his own ideas of what an offense should be like. Harbaugh just doesn’t want to win a Super Bowl — he wants to win it his way.
However, York, Marathe, and others, perhaps, Baalke (not sure of Baalke) may have wanted Peyton in order to win a Super Bowl this year at the expense of cutting other players to get under salary cap. F.O. asked Roman and Harbaugh to go to NC and evaluate post-surgery Manning and help in doing the cost-benefit analysis of getting Manning and shedding other players to get under the cap.
However, Harbaugh’s contract may have something that gives him a say over QBs. So Niners did not remove the offer to Alex and kept the latter informed all the time, and may have also made a low-ball offer to Peyton. I’m just speculating here, but the sequence of events is consistent with this interpretation, and this “reading between the lines” makes sense to me.
Harbaugh would be against the idea of getting a superstar at the expense of other good players. That’s his philosophy. He wants a team of stalwarts, not a few overpaid stars and a bunch of journeyman.
Mood
Good thoughts. But I think JH is a bigger believer in AS than JH. Remember each intro when they were hired. TB emphatically saying the starting QB is not on this team (I know AS wasn’t on contract, but he wasn’t on contract this year, but TB never said anything remotely like “The starting QB is not on this team.”) Conversely, JH first thing he did was talk to AS. He had to convince both to be here.
“But I think JH is a bigger believer in AS than JH.”
Well said.
What happened to my correction? How did it get down there?
*than TB*
Don’t worry about it, it made perfect sense.
Right ds…….That means you looove Crabtree right? And onelame you looooved T smith and S hill too. LOL And onelame how would you know what I predicted for Smith? You were booted, and you vanished every game he sucked in. Now I can use the hypocrite card again. Its to easy for you two morons. Its a cycle of babbling and ranting. All over Alex Smith. Im sure he’s proud to have two special people in his corner. And Latino…….I smell some jealousy…..You mad because you cant go to games? Obviously you’ve never been so when you actually go to one. Ill take my apology then. Unless you have special access to extra cameras Nobody on earth has, Id shut up and speak about what you know. MOSES HAS SPOKEN. BUAHAHAHAHAAAAAA Smiths years he’s played 1…sucked.. 2 …. sucked… 3 sucked…4 sucked….. 5…. played pretty good because of Harbaugh. like I said…… 6 He will ball like never before………Bet you’re wishing like hell Im moses this season. Ceeeeeeeee YA Losers!
md
Please seek the guidance of a professional Neurologist ASAP.
Dude. Latino didn’t even post on this thread. You replying to the one below?
…Mood…I agree with your thinking…..especially the “fans project their biases and prejudices of Alex Smith in interpreting Harbaugh’s comments.”……
the thing is a true fan would problably say..”you know what maybe i was wrong about what I thought about the manning chase … it was behind the scenes, and I had no clue what was really going on”…….”i trust my coach…lets move on, even if i hate Alex, the least i can do is wait till after game one to nit pick his game”….
but the negative commenters on here are not fans they are HATERS……it is so obvious how they reacted calling JH a liar……..they have an agenda and it purely hate Alex agenda…..
Can’t argue with your last 2 paragraphs. And some here know how hard that is to do.
lol
oneniner,
Since you brought it up, who are the HATERS that you are referring to?
the thing is a true fan would problably say..”you know what maybe i was wrong about what I thought about the manning chase … it was behind the scenes, and I had no clue what was really going on
Ha ha ha haaaaa. True what???? Alex smith fans? Yeah that’s what you meant. How about you admit you don’t know shizzy and thought JH was telling the truth? Ummm who was the first moron beating their chest claiming they were right? Oh that be you. You just don’t get it. Being a smith fan ONLY. Doesn’t make you a 49er fan. Your a poser and you’ve been exposed for years now. One player, one agenda, one Niner….. One lame!
Here you go Ds, because I know you’ll be putting in your worthless change…. The defense gave couldn’t hold games, because the offense didn’t put up enough points…. Ha ha haaaaa. Keep em coming Ds and onelame. Wheeew. Still waiting on those answers cowards.
“The defense gave couldn’t hold games, because the offense didn’t put up enough points…. ”
Is that English? I have no idea what ‘The defense gave couldn’t hold games…’ means.
But you do realize this whole time you are insulting the defense? Maybe you don’t. Man. Sucks to be you.
….top notch football knowledge from ninermd…..”The defense gave up late leads… After the offense couldn’t build a good one”….
Lol you two keep it going. Ha ha ha haaaaaaa wheew!
No, no.
We can’t compete with your post about how it is wrong of us to be loyal the the Niner players.
That is how I describe a fan. Hate the players unless I have a mad crush on them as you have md with AS.
So, loyalty is out of the window as well as blame towards defenses which can’t hold 4th quarter leads.
Your infinite wisdom shines down on us all oh Great One. Please guide us to our salvation.
I sure hope you are not the second coming of Moses. Your sense of direction in leading others would have lead them to the Himalayas.
….lol…..not moses…..he might the second coming of john the baptist…..since he claimed he predicted what happened to Alex in 5 yrs
No DS, because when you go the games, those fans see what actually happens, the game on TV is way different according to Ninermd, unbelievable what these guys come up with.
@latino….that was good one…….lol
…I never really understood why he always brought up “i go to the games” until now……..now i get it…..
“Go get us a Superbowl “Jimmy!”
Mood, good read. Along the lines of Rocket, Adam, etc. Great stuff.
Thanks, Hofer.
I’m not trying to stir the pro- and anti-Alex pot. All I’m saying is that one should think twice before questioning Harbaugh’s version of current reality because he sure is going to change future reality to match his version of the Niners world.
When he uses the present tense, he is, in a way, using the future tense. When he says “Alex is a Pro-Bowl QB”, he means: “Alex will be a Pro Bowl QB if gets with my program”.
…Mood …good job of not taking the bait from Hof…..
Hoferfan67 says:
May 31, 2012 at 9:27 am
“AES, I would add that PM chose Den because he could run his offense plus they could pay the bucks – both conditions high on the contract must haves.”
Hofe, that logic (PM to Den) would definitely hold up in court. Go where you have the money and total offensive autonomy. But Harbaugh’s case is full of semantic holes (lol)!
*than TB*
Kicked the tires and found them flat.
JH used the ‘look but don’t touch’ clause.
They were only flat on one side.
Who is silly enough to kick the tires on a Ferrari? (lol)
PM calls, Niners answer, PM works out, Niners make offer, some money and real chance to go to Super Bowl. Manning has difficult problem – Lots of money or Super Bowl. Manning calls Niners with his regrets, show me the money, the Niners didnt end of saga.
You forgot one thing undercenter – the post mortem makeup of JH with AS. After the Cam Newton – AS blowup last week, tweats were made that the Niners were going to dumb AS if they had signed Manning. JH wanted to nip that thought process in the bud.
+1
Sorry hard to keep up with all drama, its not my forte.
Can we move on to the Matchup with New England now? Gol-ly!
Yes
I can’t wait for the AS vs TB comparisons. So much better than the AS/PM discussion.
Let’s start now then.
The Pats have no running game so they will be one-dimensional and be forced to pass nearly every down. Brady is very difficult to sack but we can pressure him into some poor throws to create some turnovers. However, this matchup is in week 15 at N.E. so anything can happen by that time (injuries, trades, etc).
Crabs… I don’t see us pressuring Brady with lb’s. they will be covering all game. The front 3 or sometimes 4 will have to get it done. I see tons of zone coverage against the pats. The real story is. How are they going to stop our juggernaut of an offense? We will finally have a passing game to fear and the running game won’t be stopped by them, well balanced offense vs high powered passing attack. Thinking a high scoring game sorta like the N.O game. I think we lose that one. Only because of where we’re playing.
Crabs15, “The Pats have no running game…”
They averaged 4.0 ypc in 2011, 49ers avg 4.1 ypc.
MD
Wow – well said. I am thinking that Justion, Aldon, McDonald can get pressure on Brady. If as you say our “juggernaut” offense is performing up to expectations that keeps Brady off the field. The game should go much like the Packers game. The difference I have is I think we win that game, along with the other 15 wins. I know I am a homer but what can I say.
Let’s not forget that the Patriots vastly improved their defense (at least on paper) in the off season. This will be a tough road game for the Niners.
Hammer – The Niners averaged 127.8 yds per game, ranked (8th) in NFL. The Pats averaged 110.2 yds per game, ranked (20th) in NFL.
More impressively, our opponents expected us to run and New England’s opponents expected them to pass.
md – Nice post!
@jack… If I remember correctly the pats used play action with perfection. No doubt they throw to open up the run. No doubt it will be a huge task stopping those guys, but if any defense can it would be ours. Got that DS??? Lol
And under… It will be tough if A Smith is forced to cover but our d line can get it done. This ones a coin toss, like crabs brought up a good point. Injuries could play a roll or playoff position too. These two could have their division wrapped up by then or could really be fighting for that playoff spot. Gonna be good to see us playing good teams with a very good chance of winning for once. It’s been awhile. Can’t wait
Hey md
I said all along the Pats have never seen a D like ours and will get their rear ends kicked so bad TB will consider retirement after the game.
The Pats vs our D? Our D dominates.
Reading comprehension issues lure their ugly head once again, hey md?
Crab, the yards per game difference is due to the 49ers running the ball 498 times compared to 438 for NE.
The reason no one notices the run game is because all of the attention is focused on stopping their QB.
md – The biggest concern to me is their bigs (Gronkowski 6′ 6″ 265 with 17 TD’s & Aaron Hernandez 79 catches & 7 TD’s). Hernandez plays bigger than 6′ 1″ he weighs about 250 so we will have our hands full in the red-zone. Similar to how that monster Jimmy Graham caused us trouble.
Hammer – Nice job, good football debate. That’s how you do it!
Here is a link Crab. It is easy to sort for averages, etc.
http://www.nfl.com/stats/categorystats?seasonType=REG&offensiveStatisticCategory=RUSHING&d-447263-n=1&d-447263-o=2&d-447263-p=1&d-447263-s=RUSHING_AVERAGE_YARDS&tabSeq=2&season=2011&role=TM&Submit=Go&archive=false&conference=null&defensiveStatisticCategory=null&qualified=true
Ha ha haaa Ds…. Those heads do don’t they? Again how was our defense against N.O? Keep it coming Ds. The hole is getting deeper and I’ll be there to cover it. Buh bye!
You are the expert at holes.
Just put an “a” followed by two “s” and you got me beat.
Sinking till you get crushed I see is your motto. Reading comprehension has lead to all sorts of problems. You are the proof
Take care under the sea. I hope you like “The Little Mermaid” You won’t be getting to the surface any time soon.
…lol…”he is the expert at holes”……lmao
@Crabs…..Thats what Im saying. Our LB’s will be covering all day. Their TE’s are no joke, by far the best tandum in the league. The front line will have to get nasty. Thats how the NYG beat them in the last two SB’s they played them in. Need a great D-line pass rush for this team and zone or bump and run them to death. They dont like Fhysical play. lol
A nice piece with video on Harbaugh
http://espn.go.com/blog/nfcwest/post/_/id/66761/lessons-from-harbaughs-qb-comments
Hammer – Thanks for the link! Stephen A. Smith really lights up Harbaugh. Good stuff.
lol Stephen A…..I love the honesty this guy brings. I remember the Kwame Brown rant. And Im a LAKER FAN. Priceless. I love it when people keep it real. I like Harbaugh, but he set himself up for this. Maybe he will learn.
md,
Is it just me or does Stephen A sound like he is reading from a recent Jordan post?
Jack…. J23 is saying what he feels. In his case he hasn’t seen anything from smith that will make him think otherwise. J23 go’s on like this because some on here refuse and refused to see the truth about smith. They will not take another’s opinion on smith nor will they take the facts. I think you learned this recently. Although I disagree with smiths future on this team, I agree 100% with his past and his faults. The grudge matches between posters are far bigger than the smith saga itself. J23 is saying what he sees, nothing wrong with that. Heck even onelame and Ds and the other smittys see what they want, although I think they are one big group of morons, they are entitled to their opinions also. Like I’ve said before until smith and only smith shuts up the doubters you can’t blame them for being suspicious of his play. It’s been a long strange trip with #11 for the past 8 years….. That nobody can deny. Until there is stability for the qb position. This will continue to go haywire.
md,
My comment was not meant as a knock on J23, but the exact opposite. I have seen a lot of similar comments from writers both local and national, and just thought Stephen A sounded like him. He gets blasted on here for speaking his opinion by those whose only opinion is to blindly support the players and organization.
I agree with a lot of his takes on Smith. As you say there are reasons to be suspicious. He has shown the ability to be a top flight QB in flashes. I just want to see that play consistently from him, and can’t wait for the season to start so we can see how all of the off season work has improved him and the team. Only 96 days left!
Got cha Jack. That rant was to let the others know where I stand with the J man. Lol the more I look at the days the longer it’s gonna seem. Got a huge summer coming up, so the old saying time flies…… Let’s just hope. Have a great weekend Brotha.
>>he hasn’t seen anything from smith that will make him think otherwise
Nope, he totally ignored a 14-4 season, our QB outplaying the league’s best QBs in the playoffs and a fumble away from the SB. Nope, didn’t see a thing.
But right. If was the defense and akers leg that won EVERY single one of those games.
The only thing Jordo keeps real is the reality that he is blinkered. But thanks for a new nickname for him – Sgt Schultz. I see nothinnnnk!
Rib,
if the front office agreed with you, they would have offered Alex franchise QB money and they wouldn’t have taken a look at Manning.
Like it or not, it’s the truth.
So are you framing this as front office actions vs Harbaugh statement conflict then?
Me? I’ll take what has actually been said by one of the principles as opposed to outsider speculation on the motives behind the other entity.
Forward me your address so that I can fed ex you a white cane…
Nope, he totally ignored a 14-4 season, our QB outplaying the league’s best QBs in the playoffs and a fumble away from the SB. Nope, didn’t see a thing.-ribico
Outplayed the best qb’s? Wtf? Did brees get. 5 t.o.’s? If he did the game wouldn’t have been close, and manning won the Super Bowl. Who did he beat? Kind of thinking the 26th passing attack in the league beat anybody. Thank god for the defense. If they were as good as years past, this team would have ended up at 9-7 best. You know it. And everyone else knows it. They give up just 1 more td a game and we don’t see the playoffs. Get real. Smith pulled out some big moments last season. And barely pulled off wins. These comebacks are great, but a good passing attack wouldn’t have close games with that defense. That simple. Your a year early. This is the season smith blows teams out with his passing.
He was evaluating Peyton to see which was more important! Money or a ring? Peyton chose the money. That simple. Everyone knows the niners ain’t signing any FA that’s not a bargain!
+1 Montana man
The earth is flat- Jim Harbaugh
The Sky is not blue- Jim Harbaugh
This guy must not think much of the collective IQ’s of niners fans to even try to attempt such a obvious (but funny I give him that) lie. I think Alex Smiths meager contract (relatively speaking) speaks much louder than anything Harbaugh can say right now.
DS:
“It is as I said it would be. PM would have to compete with AS.”
DS, please say you were only kidding with this one, because if you are serious I may laugh myself to death!!!!!
PM competing with AS? Ahh,___ ahh,____ ahhh,____ hahahahahahahaha!
Thanks DS for your daily humor….
It’s JH’s humor. You know the HC who you said was “off limits”. So which is it AES?
Is JH open to reticule like AS is, or isn’t he? Just a day or two ago, you told me that JH is off limits. Now he isn’t?
Hmmmm. Interesting.
If I said those words. Please show me DS.
…..AES flip flopping again..!!
@AES
What you said in your post May 29, 2012 at 2:21 pm in the Cards blog:
“Trying to put a blemish on our D is like putting a blemish on Harbaugh.”
So, unless your translation of “reticule (basically lying)” does not somehow count as a “blemish or off limits” you are really stuck here. How can he be off limits, then when I repeat what he said back at you, it is now open to reticule?
What is up with you lately AES. I get you not reading my posts and just responding willy-nilly. But you seem to be forgetting what YOU write a lot lately. Not to mention “underwater” twice. Still don’t get that. One weird typo there.
So, AES, who claims to be an “all team guy.” Are you in or not? Sound familiar at all? It is kinda fun to be on this end, though I won’t stay…much.
lol
DS do you own a reticule?
http://www.thefreedictionary.com/reticule
Jack
You sure don’t use that dictionary. Still have not learned that I don’t care to converse with you. Save yourself a lot of time and ignore me.
“Is JH open to reticule like AS is”
How do you know AS is open to purses DS?
zzzzzzz.
Ignore button please Grant. Jack lacks the basic principles that are taught in elementary school about following directions.
DS, you lack the basic principle of spelling taught in elementary school. It is ridicule, not reticule.
Hammer, how old are you? Why do you keep needling people on here, if your bored, go outside, get some fresh air or maybe you can post somemore links from CSN bayarea or ESPN because nobody knows this sites exsist so we need you to provide the links, now go fetch…..
Thanks for taking the time to comment Latino.
jack please take the time to get a life
Life is great Latino. Thank you for the suggestion. If I ever need advice I know who I can turn to now.
sorry jack, no advice to give, were all sold out of crazy, good luck somewhere else…
Jack you know Latino is Onelame. Comes out of nowhere and says the same lame jokes. See what happens when you keep it real, and disagree with their dumb way of thinking. Its nothing new Jack!
Hammer, how old are you? Why do you keep needling people on here, if your bored, go outside, get some fresh air or maybe you can post somemore links from CSN bayarea or ESPN because nobody knows this sites exsist so we need you to provide the links, now go fetch- Latino
I have yet to see you take a second and detach your firm grip on onelame and ds’s *uts to post ANYTHING about the team or football. Kettle meet Mr Black! Wheeew
there it is, the classic double poster hater analogy, because two people on this blog could never have the same idea, md, are u mentally stable?
I have yet to see you take a second and detach your firm grip on onelame and ds’s *uts to post ANYTHING about the team or football. Kettle meet Mr Black! Wheeew
Well according to your infatuation DS, you have reading comprehension so I wont bother explaining.
md
Please hold a job that requires minimal higher brain function. I’m scared for us all if you don’t.
Latino and myself have not conversed for awhile. I am so many posters here now, I need NASA to help with the mathematics to figure out how many exactly.
For some reason I have this sudden urge for a taco…
…I miss Tacos……
And get this.. Our defense wasn’t the best part of our team either. And it was Alex smith who won everything. There is no way the defense shined when smith had to come back 5 times. Even though the defense handed the offense turnover after turnover and the offense couldn’t blow a nose with those turnovers. Thus giving her the green light to be critical of a defense that held opponents to 14 points and had to work with a hair of a lead…. Yeah Ds’s outlook on football is from another universe. Hmmm just wondering if your getting the clue now Ds? Yep let’s blame the defense because they couldn’t hold EVERY game down with no support from the offense. Maybe just maybe my little poke you like to throw up lately makes sense. Ha ha ha haaaaa keep using it Ds. I’m loving every minute.
Should I tell you about my post to ex on May 31, 2012 at 9:34 am?
Nahhh.
Reading comprehension gags are more fun right now.
lol Im sure your a real legend in that dungeon we call a basement ds….. Have at it. Light it up. Claude and you are newbies. Have NO history.Reading this clown is sooo easy.
@MD
Notice how DS pulls the “Reading comprehension” card every time her logic breaks down?
Nick its her Go to card, but whats funny is “it” couldnt comrehend two posts in a row. Funny how that works. Its been riding Claudes idea for the past couple of days. Dont forget the mighty old vanish from the smacking it got. Ds and Onelame love to vanish from a topic they’re getting hammered on. Its a daily thing. Poooof gone
md
Reading comprehension issues again? Maybe that isn’t quite right all the time. I think you have writing issues.
May 31, 2012 at 3:42 pm
“I have yet to see you take a second and detach your firm grip on onelame and ds’s *uts”
(Implies that you think I am a guy)
May 31, 2012 at 5:54 pm
“Nick its her Go to card, ”
(Her implies you think I am a girl)
You can’t even make up your mind as to how to insult me. Problems man. Problems.
Ds. I have problems?? I’m not the one who doesn’t know what I am? Your a girl a guy and an alien.. Yeah I have the problems. Wheew
The Nat’l media is all over this s—; drama of the week.
I do wonder though……….. is Harbaugh looking for a ‘Circle The Wagons’ theme for the team? Us vs Them? Or is he maybe trying to direct some attention to himself instead of Alex? I dunno, he’s usually more direct than that. Otherwise its an exercise in semantics; evaluating vs recruiting.
“Once you get inside my head, there’s no turning back, baby.” Harbaugh was heard saying to Matt Maiocco of CSNBayArea Sports.
“Jim Harbaugh is obviously a fan of George Costanza: “Jerry, just remember…it’s not a lie…if you believe it.”
lmao!!!!! gotta love the guy though
md,
No doubt Harbaugh is a fabulous coach, and when it comes to his dealings with the media they are quite entertaining. He always provides good fodder for the blogosphere.
He does, The only gripe I have is his Monday Morning interviews with Murph and Mac. Better than Sing, but not by much. I hope he’s more comfortable next season and open up a little more.
Only George Costanza could get into a fight with a ‘Bubble-Boy’ and set up his office under his work desk.
Classic Seinfeld (love it)
LOL Can you imagine Jeb coming into the office while JH is under the desk with a Hogie stuffed in his mouth and the playbook in hand. lmao!!! DEEEEEVILS!!!!!!!!!!!!!! LOL
Speaking of Tv shows. If you havent yet, you gotta check out Total Blackout on SciFy. lol
There are a lot of Costanza like qualities in Harbaugh’s sessions with the media. I wonder how fat his wallet is…
Total Blackout is a riot.
@Neal…….Is that ????Poop? lol Great idea for a show.
I love how Harbaugh is just toying with the media and got you haters playing psycholigists. “He said this, but meant this, oh, he must be lying, the contract says it all’, bunch of mary’s.
Same old Onelame except the …………… ya ……………..dig?
Latin, they will turn on anybody – coach included – if it somehow contradicts their ingrained notion that AS will never lead the 49ers to the promised land. Last season’s success put the first nail in. They were hanging their hat on this myth that the 9ers were pursuing MP hard. Now they cling to the last thread of AS’s contract terms. I wonder what they will use this year? It is really sad to see supposedly grown men flail about like this.
*PM
Ribico,
Not sure who you are refering to when you make the “they” reference.
I for one, have said that AS can lead the team to the SB, and even have a good chance at All-Pro this season.
Yes, I called Harbaugh a liar, but that doesn’t mean he can’t coach and bring us a SB. I hope your conclusions are well thought out if you have determined that i’m part of the ‘they’ group.
AES, there is a continuum of Alex opinions. We have Jordo and Neal at the far end and …. I don’t know who, there is no one, on the other side as extreme as those cats. You can decide where to put yourself on that scale.
But why would you call JH a liar? What evidence, other than hearsay from talking heads and other blowhards, is there that contradicts him on what came down on the PM saga?
..AES…calling JH a liar without evidence, other than hearsay from talking heads and other blowhards puts in you the same category with ninermd. jordan welcher, bay etc…..
“…they will turn on anybody – coach included – if it somehow contradicts their ingrained notion that AS will never lead the 49ers to the promised land.”
Very true rib
I remember when JH was hired. Every single one of the regulars here including bay and 23J were writing more or less “In JH I trust.”
Then when JH said that he liked AS and wanted to bring him in to COMPETE (which PM did not want to do), that little high was gone. They stopped saying/thinking that.
Same thing here.
I am a huge fan of Harbaugh. But unlike your group I can be objective and critical. Even of my favorite people.
You guys wouldn’t understand this because the whole lot of you have your lips firmly planted you know where with Alex.
Name one time you were even slightly critical…… Ok I’ll end suspense. NEVER.
I still want to hear about the goings on at OTAs. All this Smith stuff is nauseating.
Grant what did you see??
@Adam
“All this Smith stuff is nauseating.”
How have you survived on this blog for so long then?
Adam,
I don’t think Grant has been to the open practices the last two weeks. They generally are on the field between 11-2 and he has been on here during the last couple open media days.
He hasnt been there since the AD mess. Since then we have had the AS mess now the JH mess. Lots of drama I am personally getting tired of it. Watching my team doing drama is disgusting. Wish all Niners keep their mouths shut. Moss is the smart one he isnt saying anything.
Did he get banned because of the Davis thing?
I dont know but the way things are going it wouldnt suprise me if getting information out of the Niner camp becomes very difficult.
@undercenter
I also like the old media more. Too much stuff gets out now that never would before (MS rear).
I really hope Grant isn’t banned from the facility. Can’t imagine him still holding this job if that were the case. But it is weird to hear about practice stuff from everybody but Grant.
DS
I am in total agreement with that media thing. Seems like the media is searching for anything so they can have a story. I can hardly handle the drama its getting out of control. In my day guys would never ever talk the way that some do now. But in my day they didnt wear earings either. Its the modern world so be it I guess. I have been thinking of not blogging for awhle until people start to talk football and not all this other S**T.
undercenter,
You can’t blame the media for the Smith/Newton thing or the new Harbaugh/Manning/Smith thing.
Smith and Harbaugh caused this on there own, unprompted by the media both times.
Jack
I dont blame the media for what is said, but to blow these things up yes I do blame them. AS, AD, and JH spoke, tweeted or whatever was wrong, but none of it was a big deal especially the AS comment. But the media blew it all out of shape. Let me ask you this Jack would you speak to the media after all this? I know I sure wouldnt. I want to know about OTAs and football not drama. But lots I guess like this stuff I dont.
Under, exactly – great point!
undercenter,
Sure I would talk to the media. Harbaugh speaks in such great coach speak that 95% of the time he is saying nothing anyway. The national media is having a field day with this stuff because they can see that all Harbaugh is doing is trying to control the message that comes out of Santa Clara.
This is the one area that Harbaugh has not been able to master. At Stanford no one really paid too much attention, there was very little media scrutiny and he was always in complete control of the message coming from his program. Now he is one of only 32, and he needs to deal with a large number of local and national media. He tries to keep things guarded by limiting media access to the minimum but with all the ears now listening to his each and every word he is no longer the master of his own domain.
If JH’s plan/system/ program continues to win with this team and make the playoffs, who cares what the media thinks or if there is access. I’d like the media to feed me the facts and not their opinion. MM does the best job by reporting what has transpired and dealing only in facts not hyperbole or hypotheticals.
Jack
Isnt that what a headcoach is suppose to do is to control. The media doesnt like that, they fall back on the laurels of the freedom of the press or they go crying to the league and saying Harbaugh wont talk with us. I dont blame Harbaugh for talking in circles, look what happens when he speaks. Like I said in an earlier comment I wish the Niners would just shut up and play ball.
I agree with you JH is out of his realm with the media. Best thing for him to do, is say is the famous “No Comment” and dont elaborate about anything. However with that he would be accused of this and that. Arnt you tired of all this crap? Dont you want to talk football?
Under, JH is being paid for wins. Talking to the media is down on the bottom of the responsibility list. He may get ridiculed for his lack of being media savvy or skirting the issue, but again it is all about performance and in the NFL, winning is King!
Hof
So true, its all about winning, and right now JH seems to know how to do that and thats all I care about.
I should have added that EBranch is equal to MM and finds creative ways to give us insight in feature stories that haven’t been addressed before. How many more days til football? 97?
undercenter,
I am tired of the Manning talk, but Harbaugh brought it up, and made it a hot topic again.
As far as football, what would you like to discuss?
I much prefer Grant. He gives you the same information as “the other guys” while not being afraid to express his opinion.
Enjoy him now while you can, because he has big things in his future.
Adam, maybe Grant is over at the 9ers field now. He hasn’t been on today correct?
Dunno, I had stacks of work today, didn’t check in much.
That would be BS if the Niners took his press pass though. I’ve only seen it happen twice. Once for a paper that only sporadically covered the Niners during a season and wanted post season passes (they were refused) and the other I can’t remember off the top of my head what the deal was.
Both sides need to remember that the two guys involved, Grant and Davis are young. Maybe neither one used the best judgment but so what, it’s blown over now. It’s a learning experience, be done with it. Let’s get back to football.
Adam
In a very real sense that press pass is the one thing that differentiates Grant from all of us.
Harbaugh might have better luck with his message by aiming one of those Men in Black neuralyzers at the media.
Yeah, Harbaugh is a Machiavellian A-hole who can lie like a rug. So what? Most successful people don’t succeed by being angels. The only people getting their panties in a twist over any of this are the Drama Queens. So long as JH does not break laws or league rules, I don’t care about anyone’s feelings. Man up, play hard, go for the Lombardi Trophy, or GTFO.
Hear, hear!
AES says:
May 29, 2012 at 2:21 pm
“Defensexcuses? Nice try at nothing DS!
Trying to put a blemish on our D is like putting a blemish on Harbaugh. We had 5 defensive players finishing in top 10 NFL catagories. And we had 26 defensive/special teams turnovers.”
These are my exact words DS. How do you derive where I said “Harbaugh is OFF LIMITS” from this?
Are you sure your moniker DS is not an acronym for D esparately S pinning? Nice try in your futile attempt to convince me of something I said.
I don’t happen to believe Harbaugh on his PM take. So be it. What’s the big deal? I’m exercizing my right to do so.
Someone once said; “don’t pee on my back, and tell me it’s rain.” I think you get the message DS. And how you shifted gears from my original post about PM competing with AS, only confirms your desparate attempts to preempt the truth. Almost like what Harbaugh did yesterday!
I respect Harbaugh, like I graciously respect every person I meet until they try to patronize me with a lie, and expect me to quitely and happily accept it.
LOL And she says I cant comprehend. Ill give the moron this. “IT” can spin posts like no other, evade staright up questions, and answer without saying a thing. At least it cut it’s long blabbing paragraphs down. Amazing Ive never seen someone blab so much without saying a thing. Now it’s trying the claude copy and paste project. The world would benefit a whole lot more if it would actually get a job and make the perfect golden brown french fries a troll could make.
Lying is a blemish in my book. You say JH is lying about PM competing with AS. Yet, in your post before, you say that I can’t blemish JH. But whatever. Little politician in you yet.
And I already said I am JH. Why not. I’m everybody here. If it has not happened yet, I will be accused of being you at some point. Most recently I am Latino. md is also from a latino heritage so I guess latino, md and myself are the same. Bet you didn’t know that 39 minutes ago.
again……onelame is latino. Sucks that you try and call out people for not comprehending……….SAAWIIING AND A MISS. Thats two since 400 pm. lol
md
Your buds and yourself have said that one and me are the same. Therefore if Latino is one, and oneniner is me, I am Latino, and since you claim Latino heritage I say you are him, and he is me. Thus you are me md. Just the very juvenile version lacking basic social skills and plenty of infatuation with holes of all sizes.
Thank goodness. Consistency in lack of memory.
Latino, MD, DS, who’s who? I’m so confused!
No ds. I didnt call you Onelame. You’re dumb, but not that dumb. Latino is Onelame, Onelame hates Latino’s, Iam Latino (PR), And Ds, hates me. Get it Prime? lol
…”Latino is Onelame, Onelame hates Latino’s, Iam Latino (PR), And Ds, hates me.”
…no shyte…I am latino and I hate latino’s ??/
damn dude…….you are really losing it!!!
..if there was one thing achieved on this page is showing who the true ninermd is……….”a paranoid clown who has scabies, running around a circle without its head”……
……Hof you don’t need to be scared of the crazy…..this goes to the others as well…….ninermd is my b………….; well you know!!!!
Hof you don’t need to be scared of the crazy…..this goes to the others as well…….ninermd is my b………….; well you know!!!!
LMAO!!!!!!! HA HA HA HAAAAA The funny thing is you truly believe this. HA HA HAAAAA POOOOOF!!!!! Anger shows the losing heart, laughter shows a winning heart. To bad you’re known as the Blog anger ball. Hey didnt you get booted from this sight because me and telecat drove you to cussing? LMAO!!!!! True story! Wheew
>>again……onelame is latino.
Big deal. You are bay also. And Jordo as well. Or might as well be.
I take that back. You have said you expect Alex to do well this year. Those other two are still trying to p*ss on his grave.
@md
A breakdown of how to respond to md’s posts:
“No ds. I didnt call you Onelame.”
I’m pretty sure at some point you called me and oneniner the same person, and you certainly have not come to the defense of either when the many posts which claimed I am prime/oneniner/ribico/so on were made. I remember you cheering them on in fact.
“You’re dumb,”
Typical.
“but not that dumb.”
Could be the most complimentary thing you have ever written about me. Thanks!
“Latino is Onelame”
You sure about that? Latino and Oneniner have way different writing styles. To maintain two completely different and consistent writing styles for so long is not an easy thing to do. How do you make this determination?
“Onelame hates Latino’s,”
Really? I have seen oneniner write slightly more than 1 post which if he were in a bar/stripclub he would have a drink thrown in his face for saying such things to people (I get some weird feeling that this has actually happened to him, sorry one lol) and he is rather brash, but hateful against Latinos? Where did he say that? I think he hates you more than the general Latino population. May have something to do with how you can’t seem to remember his name.
“Iam Latino (PR)”
Yes. You’ve made that point painfully clear. We get it. Maybe if you didn’t bring it up every blog, oneniner wouldn’t even think about talking about Latinos (don’t think he really does anyway). So, if you want him to stop with the hating on Latinos, you may want to stop bringing it up. It is likely, that over time, oneniner will stop with the thing that he never did in the first place.
“And Ds, hates me”
Didn’t I just say that you are me? I am really messed up if I hate me so much then. And the other side of me is also equally messed up for hating the DS side of me. This is getting rather confusing.
I called you the #1 comedian. And that translates into hating you? It might take a lifetime to figure out how to communicate properly with you.
“Get it Prime?”
I think prime got it a long time ago. Nothing more to be gotten.
There are those kids who get punked but continue to try and become popular. In time the “Cool” kids except this kid because of its spirit.
Then there were the kids who got punked and no matter how hard they tried to hang in there and come back, they just werent liked. Ds you are that kid. Id bet my life I could pick you and onelame out of a lineup of Smith addicts without even seeing your faces before. Ill save the life I see you living, because Im sure everyone can see it. Just remember. You’ll never be cool or popular on here. You will always be the stinky kid with tore up hair and glasses. Thank you, Now Im done. Until you answer my question you’ve been dodging!
What ?
Gee you don’t even comprehend your own posts.
And I suspect the answer has already been answered in my post to ex at 9:34.
PS
The world is run by nerds. Not jocks.
Is that a confession of your geekism?
Adams all day. Nerds run the computers, Jocks run the Football world. See why you cant keep up in here,Without Stats and info the internet gives you?
@md
“Adams all day.”
??????
Do you mean Atoms (the thing that makes everything we call “matter”)?
Or do you mean “Adam” as the person? So, I am Adam now? You make no sense either way.
Atoms are around us everyday. You are made of atoms md. So is your phone, computer, everything.
Can we beat this dead horse any more….NEXT!!!
There should be a 100 comment limit per blog article. Next is not soon enough!!
TxTree,
I have respect for you because you said you are/were in the military. I had two uncles (now deceased) who served in Korea.
I get and respect your message. On to the next….
I respect TxTree and I respect him even more for his service.
I thank you for your comment; I did serve proudly for 20 years, and have the honor to still work with those still serving.
I also have respect for Txtree for his service but he is a 100% positive contributor to the blog unlike both of you and I….
FYI – There are other commenters on the blog who I know have served or currently serve…..you should respect all not just because someone is the military…..
Much Respect TX…..Dont know if you were a Bulldog, but Hooo Raaaa Anyways.
Zoomie…
But semper fi
http://www.strategypage.com/humor/articles/military_jokes_200472723.asp
LOL Im digging your Air force one. Just sat with about 12 of you guys, last weekend at my buddies BBQ, He is a Zoomie also. That link is classic, and so true. Especially the last. http://youtu.be/O6vHOR8lzTg
AAAHHHHHHHHHHHH!!!!!! LOL
DS94everXev says:
May 31, 2012 at 4:03 pm
“Lying is a blemish in my book. You say JH is lying about PM competing with AS. Yet, in your post before, you say that I can’t blemish JH. But whatever. Little politician in you yet.”
And in which section can I find your book DS, the Comic section?
I’m no politician just like you are not the other posters you mentioned. You just want to attach yourself to anyone who even slightly agrees with you. If you need to embrace these posters to stroke your ego, you go for it bud.
OBTW, stop trying to ‘spin’ my comments to fit your ‘book’ i’m not worthy of such a ‘best seller’ (lol).
You left out one very important matter when you said that I addressed “Undercenter” as ‘underwater’ (i’m sure it was a sincere oversight on your part, hahaha), I apologize to him. But i’m sure your interpretation of ‘i’m sorry’ will have a different meaning in your book.
Others said those other names for me.
I have only said to be JH/Nickrow/md. And 2/3 don’t agree with me like….ever. I just go with it. But whatever.
Spend some time in the history section when you get to the bookstore.
Nice touch DS (lol).
Taking the wife to dinner.
Peace out!
AES, it’s only 5pm…early bird special?!! jk lol
…lol…
Nothing wrong with a early bird special, played bingo all day and late afternoon of shuffel board. Then time to eat.
Bingo and shuffle board? Neal, come on bud, I know you’re that old.
Hey Nick,
Just miss your email, I was at early matinee. Some old women was sitting next to me and was drooling on my shoulder and then 1/2 way watching the movie, her dentures fell out. What a day.
You guys wanna talk OLD? Hell, I don’t even buy green bananas anymore!
Ninermd says:
May 31, 2012 at 4:04 pm
“Speaking of Tv shows. If you havent yet, you gotta check out Total Blackout on SciFy. lol”
I’ll give it a look MD…
SyFy guys. Not SciFy.
And they have better shows as well.
Its pretty cool what your mind thinks when your in the dark, and ds……No show beats scare tactics. “SyFy’s best ever. All of the other alien and Sci Fi shows Im not a fan of.
Sci Fi Channel was ruined when they brought in that fake wrasslin’ nonsense in my opinion. Now a name change “SyFy” to confuse and dilute the brand even more and then add some crappy straight to DVD B movies from Canada. Mission complete.
Horrible.
Don’t know who the genius was at Universal who thought that up but sometimes just going after the buck at the expense of the brand is a REALLY bad idea.
It ain’t that bad. Worse part is how they don’t give a proper send off for their top shows. And the B-rated moveis are more fun to watch than most A titles. Most A-titles suck and think they are good. B-movies suck and know it, and let the audience in on it.
Watched “My Name is Bruce” last night on TV, now that is a guy who knows how to live off his characters. Funniest film since Groundhog Day and Braindonors.
Jack
Okay lets talk some football. How do you think the offense is going to perform baring injuries in the coming year? I was cynical of the Moss signing but from all reports he seems to be doing well. I am slowly becoming a Moss fan hope he doesnt dissapoint me.
I think the offense can take a step forward this year. It will all come down to how much they improve on 3rd down, and Red Zone.
Converting 3rd downs will bring additional plays, and opportunities to score TD’s.
Plus converting the 3rd downs increases the time of possesion and with Rogers, Eli, Brady, Staford, and Brees coming up would be good to keep the ball away from them.
Agreed, look what it did for the Patriots. Their 45% conversion rate has a lot to do with their strong offensive numbers. With the balance the 49ers have the ball control thing would be crazy in their favor.
With the defense that we have and getting 40 percent or better, this would be a team that would be scarey good.
When AS is gone next year, JH will say that AS was never our QB, we were just evaulating him for a couple of years. He never was in the long term plans.
Hoferfan67 says:
May 31, 2012 at 5:12 pm
“AES, it’s only 5pm…early bird special?!! jk lol”
(lol) Hofe. Just got back and reading your post. Good one…
Positive note: Crabtree was at practice today! Hallelujah….Breakout season? Just messin with you MC bashers :-)
Can’t wait until we invade Lambeau Field!
Since the 9ers have signed JH, I,ve taken a pretty big interest in reading stories about him. I’ve read more articles on him than I can count. I am not implying that I’m a JH know-it-all, I’m just pointing out that I’ve read enough to have a certain take on his stance. JH is no dummy!
The one thing that I can take from him is that there’s always a method to his madness. For every proaction, there’s a reaction. Alot of stories and questions to why he even brought this PM thing up. All of this reminds me of a quote from an interview last year. One of my favorites!
“We just feel a more certain assurance of success when all that’s written is written against us. It’s when honey words of praise are flowered upon us that we begin to feel exposed before our enemies.”
I love that quote! I dont know about you guys but about everytime I turn the TV on or my Sirius radio, I’ve been hearing them honey words of praise. People picking us to win the the division, people picking us to win the NFC and people picking us to win the SB. People are talking! Personally, I think Harbaugh threw this out there to give them something different to talk about, redirect there thoughts if you will. Harbaugh also bashed the media last year for not giving the 9ers enough national attention. Well guess what? Harbaugh just accomplished 2 things.
Good take
Great observation MontanaMan16.
Nice piece of analysis.
Hey DS,
Hey I just wanted to say that although we have our differences, I hope you know that I know you are a 49er fan and that I’m cool with you when the dust settles. All good I hope?
@AES
What dust?
: – )
Thanks DS….
Neal says:
“May 31, 2012 at 7:55 pm
Nothing wrong with a early bird special, played bingo all day and late afternoon of shuffel board. Then time to eat.”
Ahhhh, what a life!!!
One tidbit that swings back the other way that I just remembered.
If Smith says he was in the loop the whole time then why were there reports that he was going to fire his agent?
I think Smith is toeing the company line. I suspect Condon did exactly what was reported – he kept quiet for several days and let Smith twist. Then when the story broke he got off his ___ and set up the Dolphins thing even though it was too late in the game and all the musical chairs elsewhere were full.
My take is it ONLY worked out for Smith because Manning wanted the money (and possibly a huge say in how the offense was going to be run.)
With that said, there are a few things that ring true.
1) Salary and cap space are real issues. Like I said before, Baalke is about value and not need and we didn’t necessarily need anything. Smith had a good season and will probably be as good, if not better, this year. So Manning would have been a luxury Baalke may not have been willing to pay for in any form. Manning’s paycheck might have done more harm than good.
2) I very much remember that it was reported that Manning wanted to see facilities where he might play. Most credible sources say he didn’t come out here (although I’ve seen at least one report mention that he DID do just that thing so who knows.) The media won’t chase the Owusu concussion story so it may be too much to ask them find the truth here.
Final analysis, I’m giving a percentage – or odds if you will (or maybe it’s half-truths, I really don’t know. Just a gut feeling.) Anyway, 85% lie, 15% truth. Most of this stinks and the analysts all over the place seem to agree. This will be somewhat of a black mark on Harbs, in my opinion.
Great football coach but the Sun Tzu deception stuff or the trial balloons he’s throwing out there to the media smell to me.
Personally, I won’t bother much with any more of his press conferences. I’ll read and listen but with a jaundiced eye or bucket of salt as they say. I like the player interviews and the OTA/Camp analysis better anyway – that’s where the focus should be, in my opinion.
@Adam
If AS is fine with it, I can’t find reason why I shouldn’t be. And most people toe the company line and not get paid $8 million for a years worth of work. Sign me up for the company that will give that to me, and to quote from “Ghostbusters”
“If there is a steady paycheck, I’ll believe anything you say.”
When it was all going down, I expressed my feelings if I were AS (I am JH as well as “Smalls”). Well I’m not. If I were, I would have left this God forsaken franchise a long time ago and let them wallow in their own created misery, so maybe my reaction isn’t the best indicator of how AS would/did react.
Adam,
I couldn’t agree with you more. Was Harbaugh lying? Not completely, but he was certainly choosing his words to come across a certain way. There was so much spin control going on I kept looking to see if Michael J Fox was in the background.
I am sure he had his reasons for bringing this up yesterday out of the blue, and only he knows what those were. The guy is a tremendous football coach, and I have great respect for his abilities.
And like you I don’t put too much stock in anything he says to the press. He is paid to win games and he has done that. He is paid to put together the best team possible and he has done that. As long as he stays successful he will be fine, but the minute things start to go the other way a lot of these shenanigans will not so easily be swept away.
I loved Mangini’s take on the situation: “Alex Smith is our quarterback and therefore Alex was always our guy.” Harbaugh lives in the NOW. Not the past, not the “what if”.
I tend to agree with Mangini. Harbaugh isn’t necessarily “lying”, he’s simply putting his stamp on the NOW. Right NOW Smith is the QB of the 49ers and therefore he is the best and only choice.
Also – how did such a useless weasel of a coach (Mangini) become such a good analyst? He’s one of the few bright spots on ESPN.
Also part II: I think Harbaugh embellishes a bit (okay, he lies like a rug) but I don’t give a darn. He’s supporting the players that are on his team and not giving a damn about players on other teams. That’s good leadership. As long as he doesn’t go overboard too often with stuff like “Crabtree has the best hands I’ve ever seen” it doesn’t bother me.
Also part III: Alex still sucks.
My take and speculation.
I remember Baalke said a few weeks before the Duke visit that SF had no interest or talk about PM. I bet a call from PM’s side changed that.
So PM/Tom Condon was the first one to pursue the possibility.
I think when JH talked to PM, it was all football, things like sharing QB duties with AS and level of PM’s input, etc. Money talk was between Condon and Baalke and nothing was revealed to the public.
Maybe Baalke gave Condon some take-it-or-leave-it terms to join the Niners. This was the lowest level of pursuit in my book. LOL
I’d always thought SF knew it was a longshot to sign Manning at a
huge discount, and the interest was limited.
So JH knows he can lie because Baalke is gonna back him up?
Baalke and JH doesn’t care about their reputations since PM and Condon knew it’s true or not?
And call JH’s opinions on AS and Crabtree as lies, might as well call
People Magazine’s 50 Most Beautiful People as lies too. LOL
@Adam ..”If Smith says he was in the loop the whole time then why were there reports that he was going to fire his agent?”…
WRONG……those reports were denied by Alex and later were said to be false…..
…Condon was the winner in all this….
Funny you engage in the conversation now. You completely disappeared the entire week that the Niners pursued Manning.
…@Bay……you didn’t see my comments about the now “fake chase”?
you wanna bet?
Part IV game on hehehe
Look people, so they went and saw him throw. Just because they didn’t tell everyone doesn’t mean they were at fault. They were exploring options or if you want to believe, playing poker with alex since Condon is both of their agents. When alex found out he had to find a way to save face, so he flew to Miami. They might have asked what mannings demands were $$$$ and ran back to SF afterwards. They had real interest, “evaluated” the situation. I like their mentality. Always try to improve and don’t show your cards. We’re not used to them sneaking around for free agents. Usually it’s broadcasted that so ans so if flying in or so and so is being looked at. I believe because of Alex’s fragile confidence, They snuck out there to see what was available. They wanted the better QB and the money didn’t make sense.
The Niners are strong contenders to represent the NFC in the next Superbowl.
Other than the usual variables (injuries, the bounce of the ball, critical officiating mistakes, etc), their biggest personnel question mark is Alex Smith.
Smith’s lack of success on 3rd down and in the Red Zone last season is well documented.
So are the significant number of clutch performances he produced last year.
The Niners’ biggest strategic question mark is the offensive philosophy of Greg Roman-Jim Harbaugh. Was their ultra-conservative offensive approach a product unique to 2011 (no off-season, poor pass blocking, inferior receiver corps, questions about Smith, etc.) or will they continue in the same vein.
Hopefully, they will rely more on Smith in 2012. Nobody really knows how he will do, but for the sake of the Niners’ future, it would be good to make push come to shove and find out.
This blog article is EXACTLY why I can’t stand the pro Alex crowd. We all saw what unfolded. We saw our front office and head coach fly out. We received feedback that Manning looked good. The Niners engaged in contract negotiations and lost. Alex was pissed. He attempted to shop himself. He was angry with his agent. He felt betrayed. I do believe it was the front office pushing for the signing. New stadium, they needed seats sold. Alex isn’t a main draw. He can’t even sell jerseys. It played out. The Niners took their shot. Feelings were hurt.
When we didn’t get our HOF QB, we went to plan B which was Alex. Harbaugh went in and mended fences. We are now back at camp. Move forward.
But the Pro Alex camp can’t. They have to weave their fairy tale ending and make believe story so that they can hold their heads up high all season and pretend it didn’t happen. Makes me sick. It’s a 7 year trend. At least we know the excuses don’t end with the play on the field. This time the “Alexcuses” are being used in Harbaugh’s lie.
We all know that Harbaugh dislikes the media. And I do believe that he is very calculating as far as what he feeds the media. I just don’t get the reason for this lie.
Unless you were there in person, you have NO IDEA “what unfolded”.
And this is exactly why I can’t stand the AS hater crowd (can’t stand ? no that’s not right, I’m a lover, not a hater. Let’s say amuses me). They are so wrapped up in their vitriol they are now directing it towards JH merely because his actions and now unequivocal statements contradict their egos.
Get some therapy, guys.
Hey Rib,
If you are buying everything Harbaugh is selling to the media, give me a call. I have a nice bridge that you might want to take a look at.
So you were there with Harbaugh and Manning, Jack?
“Unless you were there in person, you have NO IDEA “what unfolded”.”
@ribico
“Unless you were there in person, you have NO IDEA “what unfolded”.”
And I got an itchin for my favorite quote right about now:
“You think you know. But you don’t. And you never will.”
Notice the vast majority of those who are pissed are the same ones who insist they know things?
Coincidence?
DS, we do have the word from a guy who was there. And since he’s saying what “they” don’t want to hear, their recourse is to slime him as a “liar”. Pretty odious, if you ask me.
Rib,
Never intimated that I was. I just don’t take his word as gospel, especially when there is a lot of contradicting evidence from numerous sources.
As long as the players buy into his program and he is successful it doesn’t matter what I think. Regardless of my belief or lack thereof in what be says to the media my belief in his coaching ability has never wavered.
Contradicting “evidence”, Jack?
You know hearsay, rumor, opinion and circumstantial “evidence” are not permissible in a court of law. But in the court of shaping fan’s opinions? Why, it’s gospel.
Hallelujah, bro.
ribico
What we have here is a bunch of wanna-be pros who weren’t nearly good enough to get in the NFL so they come here and “enlighten” us all with their esteem knowledge and wisdom.
These people also think they are always right and know everything.
Just to show you that I am not one of those people this is what I would have done if I were really JH last year.
1. I would have cut Terrell Brown. He sucks. Lets give Spencer, a rising CB who just had a bad year another shot.
How did that turn out?: What would have happened without Brown? We saw what happened in the Title game. Brown was the player of the year for me from where I thought he was (crapper) to where I was genuinely freaked when he got hurt in the title game knowing how important he is. I wasn’t all that mad about the KW fumble. I thought our D would hold up. And for 2 downs they did. But when Brown was hurt, I knew with the Giants WR’s skill, they would hurt us (they did).
2. I would have called a lot of different plays during the games.
How did that turn out: In the live game blogs, I was right about 1% of the time. And usually the things that I said to do weren’t the things that actually worked. So, we would have scored 0 and given up about 50 a game and have gone for it on 4th down like all the time.
3. I would never have given AS the playbook. He wasn’t even a Niner. He could have gone off to another team (Seattle/AZ) and given them all my plays!
How did that turn out: Camp Alex was really the start of the rebirth of AS. If the lockout had not happened and JH didn’t give the playbook to AS, I don’t think we are the most complete team come playoff time last year.
So, guess what? JH knows what to do a lot better than I do. The problem here is that nobody (not really) can admit that they don’t know what JH knows.
Never was any evidence beyond what the Niners said. Everything else was fabricated. And a lot was fabricated here.
Ribico,
They are permissible in the court of public opinion, and that is where we are.
For Harbaugh to say they weren’t flirting with Manning and that the reports of them doing so are erroneous and false either he or Manning are stretching the truth. Why would Manning call to let him know he was going to Denver if they weren’t more pursuing/evaluating?
And based on the contract Manning signed with Denver it wouldn’t have taken up 1/6th of the cap as suggested by Harbaugh. Manning only counts $5m against the cap this year, so unless the cap has shrunk to $30m that statement is incorrect. This is all low hanging fruit for Harbaugh to feed to those that swallow every word he says without question.
@Hammer
And based on the contract Manning signed with Denver it wouldn’t have taken up 1/6th of the cap as suggested by Harbaugh. Manning only counts $5m against the cap this year, so unless the cap has shrunk to $30m that statement is incorrect.
I read PM’s 2012 base salary is $18 Mil.
Isn’t base salary go directly under cap hit?
I know Maiocco stated $5 mil cap hit, without more details. Maybe $18m is no longer the base salary, but many sites still go by it. Maybe JH is going by that also.
Unless DEN and PM modified the supposedly reported number of $18M base, $18M is a cap hit.
Maybe I overlooked something, Maiocco knows better.
Albert,
It depends on how it is structured. From MM:
“They could’ve structured the contract in a way to award Manning the same $18 million he received from the Broncos in the first year of the contract while taking a cap hit of around $5 million.
So, in other words, the 49ers never would have been forced to invest one-sixth of their cap in Manning. In future years as Manning’s cap figure rose, the league’s cap would also be rising from the new television contracts.”
PM is getting a lot more than $5 million if he plays the season guys. All of that money counts against the cap.
Peyton Manning has a base salary of $18 million in 2012. And although he seems to not have any signing bonus, that salary is guaranteed
$18 million guaranteed (2012 salary)
See for yourself
http://www.spotrac.com/nfl/denver-broncos/peyton-manning/
The point that Maiocco is pointing out is that by being creative the 49ers could have matched the 5 yr $96m with the cap hit being $5m in year one then escalating which would have been risky in later years.
No one is saying that he is getting less. Denver had the cap space to do it spread out evenly.
Maiocco can assume all he wants, I guess.
Outsiders don’t know what Condon wanted.
Many articles go by the $18M base salary number for the 1st year, maybe that was part of Condon’s demand and DEN accepted while SF refused. Then DEN/PM might have changed the terms.
When did the Niners engage in contract negotiations????…….ha ha ha…..
“He was angry with his agent”……..
I just don’t get the reason for this lie………ME TOO!!!!!!
Like I said onelame go look back. You disappeared that entire week. Why?
That’s what I thought. Explain why you disappeared.
…why are you scared to bet me then?
First thing, I don’t bet with low lifes.
Second thing, why are you avoiding the question?
..(anyone with a brain reading this please ignore, its friday and just need the entertainment from Bay)……lets have a bet….if I can prove to you that I commented that week……you will go away for the whole month of june…….wz up?…
…to answer the question you will have to bet……or don’t you get it?……..
..it does not makes a difference if I answer you, you will still want proof……and i am saying bet with me so i can debunk your claim…….
He won’t bet, he just likes to run his mouth, its called verbal diarrhea. Most annoying guy on the blog right there!
Why would you bet onelame. He can’t even answer a simple question. If he ducks that, I’m sure he’ll back out on a bet.
And Latino. How would you know? Your another newbie bandwagon “fan”. I’ve seen morons like you all season. New hat, new shirt, new flags. You got no cred here. Most on here stuck with the pathetic team they’ve been for 10 years. Beat it.
md
Your whole line of reasoning to hating oneniner is based on how how he treated you when you first arrived here. You said he was a big meanie.
Well, Latino is a “newbie” (though I think he has passed that point), and how do you treat him? The same way you say oneniner treated you. Very grown up of you.
Ds….. Inever said squat to onelame when I first came on. He didnt like my accurate readings on Smith at the time. I had issues with other players as well. He didnt mind those rants. Just Alex Smith. Ive never started anything with Latino……He came in defending Onelame and others. Get your buddy Claude out here and have him check the archives. I never start it, I finish. Some cant take opinions of others, and whine like p****’s. Not my problem. Latino can take a hike.
md
There is so much wrong in your last post, it would take a day to write a full comprehensive reply. I’ll leave you to wonder which part.
Hint: Start with 100% of it (being wrong) and make your way backwards. As opposed to starting at 0% and making your way forward. It’ll save you lots of time.
Lmao exactly. But when other media news comes up that helps their smith cause. It’s all true. There are tons of panties wrinkled. They say move on, but can’t do it themselves. Onelame beating his little bird chest started all of this. Checkmate you p***y! Buahahahahaaaaa.
You sure have a unique way of trying to convince others that your opinion is accuarte. However, its not, its not even close to modern reality of the entire Alex situation, but hey, you keep trying kid.
Latino swinger,
MD is pretty fair and usually dead on…
Bay, i was referring to you, keep giving er
Ok Swinger….
“I do believe it was the front office pushing for the signing. New stadium, they needed seats sold.”
Bay, I said that from the get go during that week. I don’t think JH was pushing as much as we needed a face of the “new stadium” from the FO perspective. If JH/GR we’re all in, why did they hide in the car and watch from the parking lot? Den and Ten didn’t do that!! OK, now out of my system…
Hofe – You said the PM story was old news……and to move on. You hitting the vino early today? :-)
TGIF Hofe!
..just like Ribico pointed out….it all comes down to..
…”I don’t think I’ve ever seen anything like this. Fans of a team calling the head coach a liar purely due to the vitriol towards the QB that coach has faith in.”……
……insane in da membrane………
Not entirely accurate. We saw it last year as well. Consistency is what we have here. Before then though? He’s right.
Anything to protect your qb. I’m sure his feelings aren’t hurt every time he looks at his bank account. How much of a bigger p***y can you be? Get over it. Alex doesn’t care about you having his back. If this story was about Crabtree you wouldn’t give a damn about it. God your a wimp…. Pathetic
….Based on the tone of your comments, its obvious you are deeply hurt about how things turned out…….I knew I was the baddest, but didn’t think I had this much influence over you……..
..Look at the bright side, I am going to be here all season feeding you crow…….am very sure you won’t be missing me due to any presumed disappearance ……
Look at the bright side, I am going to be here all season feeding you crow…….am very sure you won’t be missing me due to any presumed disappearance ……
Feeding me crow? LOL You’ve said that for years now. And unless you think Smith will be better than 7th ranked in the league. What Crow do you have to serve me? LOL Yoour a joke
>>Look at the bright side, I am going to be here all season feeding you crow……
Logic fail, md. You’ve said you expect Alex to play great this year, right? How much crow is that to a guy who’s been saying that all along?
Or are you going to jump and down and post ad nauseum on every single overthrown ball or 3rd down non-conversion? That is not crow, that is idiocy.
……”The so called media is outraged by JH’s comments because it was they and not the 49ers that presumed so much about how real or imagined was the 49ers pursuit of Manning. Now the media feels like they are being called out as dupes – and they are”………
http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2012/05/30/jim-harbaugh-says-49ers-never-pursued-peyton-manning/
Love the sarcastic ending…..
Harbaugh should have just kept his mouth shut. The scab was still fresh but the wound was healing nicely. This whole thing is a distraction right now. It’s kind of like when my five year old son sneaks a fruit roll-up before dinner. I’ll ask him “did you take a fruit roll-up?” and he says “no” despite having fragments of strawberry goodness stuck to his lips.
…….just because fragments of strawberry goodness was stuck to his lips does not mean he took a fruit roll-up……..
….seeing him take a fruit roll-up means he took a fruit roll-up……..
…….parenting 101…..
….your 5 yr old saying no, means he is actually smarter than you BigP…….kudos for having a smart kid…
OneAlex,
I’m sure you think O.J. didn’t kill those two people. You consistently say stupid things. You are right about one thing, my son is very smart. He saw your screen name and asked me why Michael Crabtree was still posting on the blog.
Big P,
this is another article I found by Monte Poole. Love the last sentence.
http://sportsmediamasters.com/49ers-harbaugh-feels-need-to-re-explain-manning-interest/
Bay,
I’m good with Smith and I look forward to him playing well this year. I just don’t make excuses for his play or the attempts by the team to upgrade the position. Some of the crap people come up with to manipulate arguments around here is absolutely ridiculous. If people believe the crap about evaluating versus pursuing, good for them. If they really believe Smith would have been competing with Manning, good for them. They sure were skeptical when Harbaugh said Crabtree had the best hands he had ever seen.
Meh. Another media-head who has as much inside information into what actually happened as you do.
Well, that will satisfy them then.
oneniner says:
June 1, 2012 at 8:27 am
“..AES…calling JH a liar without evidence, other than hearsay from talking heads and other blowhards puts in you the same category with ninermd. jordan welcher, bay etc…..”
Yes I did! Get over it…
I’ve moved on, you need to as well.
All I have to say now is;
Go get us a Superbowl “Jimmy!”
….are you a Nazi?….why do i have to do what you do?…..just because you moved on…(which I really don’t care about)……..does not mean I should move on…..
…maybe you moved on because your opinions on the subject are useless……
Go get us a Superbowl “jimmy!”
Aes… If you had replaced Jimmy with Alex, onelame the great will forgive you. :-/ lol
Still no Grant? One last comment about Peyton Manning. I agree with what Skip Bayless said a while back, he said “I think (PM) feared Jim Harbaugh.”
Here’s the link, skip to 5:50 mark for Skips comments.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=y95ZjxhXAAo&feature=related
Crabs,
I like the comment @ the 5:56 mark too. “San Francisco is a QB away from winning the superbowl”. Think they stole that one from Jordan lol.
bay – LOL!…….”The prominent 23J” has the power to influence people well beyond this blog.
Bay,
As a matter of fact they did! As a matter of fact , “we are, a QB away from the Super Bowl!”
Guys don’t sweat the small things. Harbaughs ego makes him want to try to win the super bowl despite alex smith, not with him. This brainwash job with Smith isn’t even good enough for Smith anymore. Alex realizes that all he can do is the best he can. He knows he’s not a good QB. He also knows that there are lots of bad teams in the NFL. He won’t be a Niner for long but he will be in the NFL. He might start somewhere next year.
The only thing I’m pissed about is that we have to fall short of another super bowl this year because we are weak in the most important position in football. I need Josh to step up and lead us to a super bowl.
I’ll say it one more time. We have deep threats and nobody to throw the ball to them. Smiths deep ball is trash. Can’t wait for training camp.
23j if your boy can’t read defenses, how can he win a SB?
@Prime
“23j if your boy can’t read defenses, how can he win a SB?”
AS will be in his ear telling him what to do.
: – )
Bayless and Jordo – two peas in a pod, thinking with their mouths.
All you guys calling Harbaugh a liar as if it’s no big deal.
What would think if people called you a liar? No big deal? You wouldn’t care that your integrity was being called into question? Seriously?
Never happens here.
: – )
We are talking real world, DS.
I bet you a million stupid/imaginary/useless cred points which hold no value anywhere in the known universe including here that you can’t find a single post where somebody loses their cool because somebody calls them a liar.
: – )
Found in: 3….2…..1…..
OK, then no biggie. All these virtual comments on a virtual site by virtual commentators virtually don’t mean a thing.
But it could get interesting if and when those same comments spill over into real life by the columnists/opinionators who have real physical interaction with Harbaugh. I imagine JH wouldn’t take lightly to being called a liar to his face. I’m not saying there would be a Rome/Everett outcome, I’m just saying the Cohns of the world should tread lightly ;)
@ribico
I’d love to see the people claiming JH is a lier actually come face to face with him and tell him face-to-face.
Then, we wouldn’t see that person again.
I hear ya, DS. A line-up of AES, bay, md, jordo, neal, etc… I’d fly out from the east-coast and pay good money to see that!
Yes ribico, I’m calling Harbaugh’s integrity into question. But I seriously doubt that he gives a hoot.
Just move on, dude… It’s a done deal for me.
Now, go get us a Superbowl “Jimmy!”
AES
I seriously doubt he knows you or I or ribico even exist.
You lose hair caring about what other people think. Do you think for one minute you’re going to convince everyone that your not what they perceive you as? You have a lot to learn then. His Job involves the media, he knows what comes with the job. He makes good money doing what he loves to do. Being called a liar by fans or the media is probably worth it. He hasn’t quit football yet.
Truth is painful ribico, continue to blindly walk around waiting and hanging on every word Harbaugh says. Is call him a liar to his face. He’s a man , just like. I am. He is a liar. He doesn’t try to convince anyone any different. Just keep winning football games with this team and the sub par QB we have. If Smith accepts the lies and they help build his confidence, so be it.
One thing JH has not done. He hasn’t promised Smith he wOuld have a job here next year. JH is a liar. Smiths contract is the truth.
If Harbaugh is a liar, what does it make you when you told everyone on here you would stop posting if Alex was the 49ers QB this year?
Guys and Girls
Please get a grasp on it. Whether you think JH/TB/Niners did the right thing with PM and AS is not relevant now. It is only relevant to how AS feels. And if AS says he is fine, why not believe him? How does doubting both him and our HC, the guys who led us to that wonderful 2011 season help show support for our team?
I was originally pissed as hell at the Niner FO. If they were going to go after PM, fine. But they should have let AS know before hand so that he can find employment elsehwere. That has nothing to do with liking AS or not. That is just being a genuine employer.
But, AS says he is fine with it. Why should I hold a grudge against somebody(ies) for doing something to somebody else who is not holding a grudge against them as well? Really people. Have you learned nothing in your years of school? I am sure there are those of us who have substantially more years of schooling than others, but even still. It is a basic principle. One taught from TV shows for crying out loud!
Get over it. All of you.
DS,
much respect for at least being honest. You didn’t like the front offices move. Obvious to many since you like oneloser cut down your posts significantly that week.
And I agree that everyone has moved on. Except one thing, Harbaugh brought it back up. He should have just let it die….
DS,
I like Alex. I have always wished him the best. He is a hard worker and he is loyal. He is also smart. He went all in with Harbaugh and Harbaugh repayed him by attempting to sign Manning. That trust level will never be the same for Smith, regardless of what he says publicly. That is just human nature.
Big P,
unless he lets him caddie again after the season is over…
I’m sure Alex will be busy next time….
First….. I don’t give a rats ars who feels what, who’s fine with what, or who said what…. I was a fan before and I’ll be a fan after every one of these guys leave/retire. I pay a lot of money every year to see them perform at the highest level. And that cost doesn’t include players/coaches feelings.
Secondly….. I didn’t know Alex smith played defense too.
DS94everXev says:
June 1, 2012 at 9:22 am
AES
“I seriously doubt he knows you or I or ribico even exist.”
Bingo! DS…
Another good reason why it’s time to move on.
Lol.
500+ comments and counting and the first one I read is this, from Crab15,
“Just told my wife I was not pursuing Eva Longoria, I merely evaluated her. Nothing was said to Eva that I didn’t say to my wife.
Eva will be fine and my wife will return home soon from her business trip in Miami.”
Well done, Sir.
barleyfreak – Much obliged.
Grant,
would like to know where Dixon is on the depth chart. Gore’s flame is slowly going out. Jacobs is damaged goods.
Hunter and James are going to be exciting but neither is going to be able to be the warrior Gore has been. Which takes me back to my original point. Dixon the the only “young” big back they have. Just curious if you see him making the final roster this year.
I like boobie. He was a shoe string tackle away from taking one to the house in the NFL championship game.
…..poor Dixon…..he just got cursed……now we just have to wait for the day he gets cut……..
Bay,
Gibson won’t make the roster. That’s why Jacobs and Cartwright are here. Cartwright will take his place on special teams. Gibson will get a job somewhere. Just didn’t get a real chance here.
Or you can put a picture of him next to Alex’s on your “crush” wall.
Is there a player in the NFL that’s more confident than Tarell Brown?
Joe Flacco thinks he’s the best quarterback in the NFL.
Cam Newton, Ndamukong Suh, Phillip Rivers, Terrell Suggs, DeSean Jackson?
Who did I miss?
Check out Harbaugh as a kid 35 years ago running on field at Michigan after TD! He’s the skinny kid standing alone next to pylon at goal line, then he fearlessly goes onto field to celebrate with QB.
You gotta love this guy!
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QqlBGQti2RU
……the “11-85 connection” is gonna be a monster in 2012…..
Nice ‘oneniner’ but the 11-15, 46, 84, 88 (believe it’s Manningham?), 32, 21, 17, and LaMichael James#? might be pretty good as well! But I agree, 11-85 will be huge!
You mean 1-85 son.
Alex Smith is the biggest on-field question mark on the 2012 Niner team that seems Superbowl-ready. The offensive strategy of Roman & Harbaugh is the next-biggest question: will it be as conservative as last year?
Hopefully the coaches will open up the offense enough for us all to see once and for all whether Alex Smith can be good enough. His 3rd down and Red Zone stats for 2011 are well known. Less recognized is the number of clutch performances he produced last season.
drsgrosse – Even if Roman tried to be as conservative as last year it won’t happen. Just too many new explosive weapons now with Moss, A.J. Jenkins & LaMichael James.
Alex Smith has a smorgasbord of ammunition to work with now. Alex just needs to trust his O-line, relax in the pocket, take a few more chances and things should be fine.
and guys have to catch the ball.
You had to throw that in there didn’t you? :-)
I was trying to talk football and be positive. lol
Well the OL has to block. AS can trust them till Congress gets along all he wants. Still needs time.
I heard after the Super Bowl, TB was pissed at his WR’s for all those late drops. So that was true for the #2 team last year, not just ours.
Didn’t mean to imply what you thought, but I understand why you thought that.
DS – I thought you would think that. That’s why I thought I should say it like that.
: – )
“I heard after the Super Bowl, TB was pissed at his WR’s for all those late drops. So that was true for the #2 team last year, not just ours.”
DS, I’m going to go the ‘oneniner’ route on you here.
Where is your source and proof of this statement?
Just something I heard on TV. You can go the JH route and just have faith in it if you are open to other options.
lol
Fair enough DS.
Giselle was the one pissed about the dropped passes not TB.
Hammer,
Which TB are we talking about? I thought DS was refering to Trent Baalke.
Maybe I missed it.
Tom Brady.
I was referencing the Super Bowl, so clearly Tom.
Sorry. The initials thing can get confounding at times. Like AS.
Adam Snyder
Alex Smith
Aldon Smith
Tom Brady
Thanks DS, my bad.
You’re welcome good sir.
ribico:
“But why would you call JH a liar? What evidence, other than hearsay from talking heads and other blowhards, is there that contradicts him on what came down on the PM saga?”
OK ribico, although I said that I was done with this subject I will give you my reason:
Harbaugh and Co. flew to N.C. (secretly) to observe PM. You may not see a reason to doubt Harbaugh and Co. with this occurrence, but this act alone puts a flaw in his statement. And as I mentioned earlier, “it’s silly to kick the tires on a Farrari.”
Having said that; “Now, go get us a Superbowl “Jimmy!”
How does it put a flaw? It was a secret meeting….meaning nobody was to know about it… If it was not a secret meeting you can assume they want other suitors to know they are pursuing him so it becomes a bidding war….
Yesterdays news. Just move on ‘oneniner’ we’ve all had our say. You know how I feel and I know how you do. It’s over for me.
The final word on this non story…
http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2012/06/10/harbaughs-comments-on-manning-now-a-running-joke-in-league-circles/
Harbaugh while a great coach, his arrogance and his beliefs that anyone that is not a 49er, fans, media etc, has a very low IQ. Makes Harbaugh look like a cocky ass. Harbaugh thinks he is Einstein and the rest of us flunked logic at school.
That’s right Fitzbob, what I’ve been saying this whole time, your the guy coach is talking to, the guy who flunked out of life!
Harbaugh is a good coach while also assembling a host of great assistants. Fangio is turning out to be maybe the difference in this defense. Manusky never brought pressure and kept our defense on for long draining drives. Lord Fangio called a lot of good games last year and his tweaks have made us a top 3 defense next year for sure!
The other coaches such as Seely, Leavitt, Roman, Chryst, Solari/Drevno, Donatell, Rathman, Tomsula
are all bonafide coordinators and or future head coaches. So cocky works for me.
Hey it is Fatnich
Slime did you move out of your Mommy.s basement yet.
I would say Fatgio is the only legimate coach, Roman was pretty inconsistent but then again he has to coach your man crush, that is a tough job. LMAO on what a buffoon you have become.