Top five questions as we head into training camp, starting Monday:
- Will Dashon Goldson hold out? He wanted a multi-year extension from the Niners, but the July 16 deadline passed and the Niners didn’t give him one. All he can do now is sign the one-year franchise tender. The same situation happened to former Niners nose tackle Aubrayo Franklin two seasons ago. Franklin wanted an extension and didn’t get one, so he decided to sit out training camp and wait to sign the franchise tag in September. Franklin had a down season, signed a one-year contract with the Saints last offseason, and then a one-year contract with the Chargers this offseason. He has yet to receive a multi-year contract from an NFL team. Can Dashon Goldson afford to go down Aubrayo’s path? Probably not. He’s in a contract year, and he has to face very good quarterbacks to start the season, including Aaron Rodgers in the first game. If he has a rough start to the season, it’s unlikely he’d get a multi-year extension next offseason. On the other hand, the Niners absolutely need Goldson. They gave up three receiving touchdowns against the Cowboys last season when Goldson was hurt. C.J. Spillman is his backup this season, and Spillman has only started one game in his professional career – not at free safety, but at strong safety, back in 2009 for the San Diego Chargers.
- Who will be the third down running back – Kendall Hunter or LaMichael James? At first I thought James would win this job because the team spent a second round pick on him this offseason (Hunter was a fourth round pick last year). But Hunter has the lead in this competition and here’s why: He’s already a surprisingly good blocker – he only gave up one sack on a blown block last season – he’s a good running back when he doesn’t have to run up the middle, and he has more experience catching passes at this point than James does. So, it’s Hunter’s job to lose.
- How will Alex Boone fare at right guard? Boone has never played the position before – he’s a tackle who is switching positions. How will he play now that there are full-contact practices? Is he a powerful run blocker? Can he hold his ground as a pass protector?
- Who will be the short yardage running back – Brandon Jacobs or Anthony Dixon? This seems like Jacobs’ job to lose. Jacobs has rushed for 16 touchdowns the past two seasons, while Dixon has only rushed for four. But Jacobs is 30, and Dixon’s turning 25 in September. If Dixon can match Jacobs performance in training camp and preseason, the Niners could choose to keep the younger player.
- How will Randy Moss hold up to the grind? He looked terrific in non-contact OTAs, but how will the 35-year-old wide receiver handle the daily hitting in training camp? The Niners offense needs Randy Moss next season. They can’t afford to lose him like they lost Braylon Edwards early last season.
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I would add is Greg Roman going to step up his game, he at times was brilliant, other times not very good. He is probably pretty happy that he was not offered the Penn State job.
+1
Great question, Neal. Not too many people wonder about Roman. I suspect that last year’s questionable play calls were a product of not having an off season, but we will have to wait and see.
When Norman’s finally had more than 7 years with the team, we’ll talk. Until then you cannot accurately judge his performance.
In addition to Roman, another coach that needs to step up is Mike Solari. He was a highly touted o-line coach during his time at KC. He is credited for his zone blocking schemes. The o-line needs to perform at a higher level this year and much of the heat should fall on Solari if they don’t.
Nick the oline is the most difficult units in all of football to teach and implement the system as well as develop the chemistry and commraderie needed. Those guys have to study and know every play just like the QB. It takes a lot of years for a offensive line to become good let alone great. Solari like Roman had no offseason last year but towards week 8-16, they played a lot better. This year I think they should be a top 5 line.
I just don’t think any other coaches on the 49ers staff deserve any criticism considering what time frame they had to work with last year.
But like the typical hater you are, this is par for the course for you hey Nicky doo!!!!!!!!!
The o-line played better weeks 8-16, because they only faced 3 winning teams, one of which was injured.
I am so tired of people saying there was no off season. Guess what? The entire league went without an offseason. That is why you saw so many special teams tds that essentially locked down the second half of the season. There was no advantage or disadvantage, because everyone was on the same boat.
@Medic One:
everyone was on the same boat.
Yes and no. Every team had the same amount of time to prepare for the season, but not every coaching staff had to install new offensive and defensive schemes or evaluate an entire roster of unfamiliar players.
Yet another uninformed comment by Claude. 5 of the 12 teams in the playoffs were going through coordinator changes. 2 of them included new HC’s as well as coordinator changes.
C’mon Claude, you need to pick up your game pal. Try knowing the facts before commenting.
@Medic One
“The entire league went without an offseason.”
But that wasn’t as much of an issue for most other teams because they didn’t change systems. Continuity makes a HUGE difference when there is no offseason.
LOL, Poor wittle Claude,he dishes it out but can’t take it.
Do you think those knew coordinators just stepped in with knowledge of their players or did they also have to evaluate and install their schemes on the fly?
If you want to make it about more than coordinators, that’s fine. 2 of the playoff teams, San Francisco and Denver had changes at the top requiring entirely new systems to be implemented.
To take it beyond just the playoff teams, there were 14 total new offensive coordinators in 2011. Of those only 4 had total offense numbers lower than SF, again proving Medics point.
As for my game I have plenty of it. And as I remember someone on here once saying, “it’s a full time job bitch slapping uninformed fools like you.” Pick up your game chump.
@claude
“If you cannot distinguish between those two statements, then I guess you aren’t as smart as a fifth grader. ”
When I was in 5th grade, I knew the difference. You are insulting 5th graders around the world. I think you need to lower the education level down to pre-school.
LOL DS, You want to join in on this too? You are an insult to alien beings everywhere.
@Jack:
I apologize for the name-calling. It was wrong of me, and Grant rightly deleted the comment. However, your 10:33 pm comment deserves a reply.
I did not say that no other team faced the challenges that the 49ers faced in 2011. I said, in response to Medic One’s assertion that “everyone was on the same boat,” that “not every coaching staff had to install new offensive and defensive schemes or evaluate an entire roster of unfamiliar players” like the 49ers did. That statement is accurate. Not everyone was in the same boat when it came to the lockout.
The fact that a handful of other teams also faced the challenges that the 49ers faced doesn’t detract from my statement that not every team had to face those challenges. In fact, it reinforces my assertion. I am not sure why that is so difficult for you to understand.
What kills me is that, although he was responding to Prime, Medic One’s comment was a smackdown of anyone who has argued that the lockout hurt the 49ers’ offensive line disproportionately. wait a minute, that argument sounds familiar. Who else has made it? Oh yeah, you did. Remember when you wrote the following?
-The missed offseason last year affected the O line more than any group due to the cohesion they need to establish, and as a young player it slowed his development.
So, in jumping on me for correcting Medic One, you were in effect championing his smackdown of your own argument. You just weren’t bright enough to realize what you were doing. Way to go, genius.
You are not very good at this. You should stick with the name-calling. It’s the only ability you seem to possess.
I have no idea what went on last night but obviously some posts have been deleted. I want to respond to this comment you made though Jack:
Yet another uninformed comment by Claude. 5 of the 12 teams in the playoffs were going through coordinator changes. 2 of them included new HC’s as well as coordinator changes.
Now lets look at the comment from Claude you responded to Jack:
Yes and no. Every team had the same amount of time to prepare for the season, but not every coaching staff had to install new offensive and defensive schemes or evaluate an entire roster of unfamiliar players.
You either didn’t read what he said closely Jack, or you just put your own spin on his statement and responded to what you perceived he was saying. Claude didn’t say there were no teams facing what the Niners were facing, he said not every team had to do what they did. In fact ONE other team faced the same level of Coaching job the Niners did and that was Denver who backed into the playoffs with an 8-8 record and were destroyed by the Pats in the playoffs.
What Harbaugh and Co. did was unprecedented. The best teams in the league last year and 3 of the final 4, were headed by long established Coaching staffs. A few may have been breaking in a new defensive or offensive coordinator, but they already had a system and knowledge of their players in place. The Niners did not have that and were the only team in the league who went to the Championship game with a completey new Coaching staff.
Instead of trying to find something to jump on Claude about, try reading the statement and thinking about it for awhile. You are a smart guy but you enjoy stirring up trouble and often times you do it based on something you have erroneously taken out of context; sometimes purposely.
Name calling and personal insults are the last desperate act of a beaten man. It is the lowest form of communication that comes out when somebody either is frustrated or has been backed into a corner they can’t get out of because their argument is flawed. This is a football discussion forum. Enough of the drama already. Make an argument as to why your opinion is the right one and convince people with knowledge and information as opposed to deriding them for not agreeing with you.
Just my two cents.
Oh Claude, you are too funny. You say nice things in the part that comes up in the recent comments section and then throw in the little jab at the end.
Of course not every team had to deal with the changes, there are never absolutes genius. On the same hand 5 of the 12, almost half of the playoff teams did go through those changes, and of those the 49ers were the worst offense of the bunch.
The missed offseason did effect the O Line group the most, just like it did for every team in the league, yet somehow the coaches on all but 6 other teams found a way to have their o line play at a higher level. To strengthen the argument even further against Solari is that although the coordinator changed, he didn’t. He was here in 2010, so he already knew his players. He didn’t have to evaluate unfamiliar players.
In conclusion, going back to the original argument that Solari needs to step up, he does. He wasn’t dealing with the obstacles you bring up regarding not knowing his current players. He needed to adjust due to the lockout, and didn’t do an effective job getting his unit ready. There were 14 OC changes in 2011 and his unit played a major factor in the 49ers being the 5th worst of those teams. So while I agree with Prime that the O Line is the group needing the most time to play together, the lockout cannot be used to excuse Solari from getting his unit ready to go.
Claude, you need to stick to regurgitating stats, because you aren’t very good when it comes to making informed comments otherwise. I would say way to go genius to you, but you are more like a chump.
Jack, sure Solari knew what his personnel could do but what he didnt know was what scheme they would be playing in. The point is, he had limited time to teach them the offensive scheme, play calls and audibles.
I dont care how good a coach you are, time was of the essence last year and there was only so much he had in order to teach the playbook.
@Jack:
You can try to change your position, but you cannot change the facts. My comment to Medic One was focused on what he actually wrote and was responsive to it. Your “correction” of my comment was neither.
I also never disagreed with the notion that Solari needs to step it up. I have been saying for months that the offensive line was a problem. You previously tried to argue against that idea, but my regurgitation of statistics revealed your ignorance. But, it’s not just the coaching. From C to RT, there were some real performance problems last year.
And you can pretend that you didn’t argue out of both sides of your mouth by championing a comment that completely refuted an argument you made in a different thread, but we both know you did. Anyone who bothers to read your comments (a dwindling number I suspect) knows you did. You can’t hide from what you wrote. Unless you can get Grant to delete one of your messages.
Again, stick with the name-calling. It’s the only thing you do well.
Nice ad hominem attack Claude. I shouldn’t expect anything different from you though. You like to dish it out, but don’t like when the tables are turned.
Jack what’s your deal anyways, your always in scrums with people on this blog? You say talk football but if you ever follow your comments it always turns sour with you callin names, maybe you need to take some time off or take an anger management course.
Grow up already!
Prime,
I am talking football. Did you see me call you anything last night? Nope, because when you actually talk football you make sense, and I agree with you more than either of us would like to admit.
Another question I’m eager to have answered is how much will Alex’s offseason work on mechanics effect/improve his accuracy. I happen to think that a lot of the passes that are called off-target or inacurate (over the head, in the dirt) are intentionally thrown, to avoid Ints. So I don’t have the issues with his throwing that some guys have. But I’d like to see a lot more hitting the receivers in stride, so we can get some of those Jerry Rice style “catch a 12 yarder and take it to the house” catches. I think that kind of timing and accuracy have been evident between Alex and Vernon Davis, but I’d like to see it spread around, and I’d like to see it happen with devastating consistency!
I too think a lot of those in the dirt passes were on purpose.
For years I have come to this blog after watching AS throw the ball away/in the dirt when the WR(especially on screens) will have been clobbered or dropped for a loss, and some know-it-all says he threw a bad pass. And says AS isn’t accurate.
Well, if he isn’t, how do we win in Detroit or the Saints game? Sometimes trying to “be accurate” and throwing it to WR’s who can’t catch a cold and who will tip balls that will be picked off, is the bad play. AS did that a lot before last year. Then JH tells him it’s ok not to make every pass, and AS throws only 5 Int’s. Coincidence? No.
In his review of NFL QB’s, Ron Jaworski referred to Alex Smith as being an accurate passer.
Rusty… If he threw those passes over the head and in the grass just this year you might have a good point, but that’s been a problem of his for years now. He doesn’t go out and hire a mechanics teacher if they were on purpose. No way were they on purpose.
I’m not sure why people are down on Roman. First off he had zero to little time to install one of the most complex offenses in the history of the game. He spoke this offseaon about installing the pieces of the offense and once they figured out what their personal could do, it was identified they did not have the guy(s) to have a legit vertical passing game.
He is a well respected coach not only because of his experience but obviously being mentioned in every head coaching job in the college game and whispers of some in the NFL.
The one question I have is can the 49ers replicate their road record. They have some difficult games on the road again this year and it will be key to stay .500 or better if they want to win the division again.
If they lose Greg Roman, they already got that other guy in place, can’t remember his name, ( just hired this season) and ofcourse with Harbaugh,it would not be end of the world, unlike in previous seasons where your rebuilding Rome each season , pun intended.
Are we are talking about Paul Wulff who was at WSU to possibly replace Roman? Wulff had a combined record of 9-40 before being relieved of his duties for the Cougars.
Roman and JH implemented – for the most part – very conservative game plans. See link below, for example, where they ran on 3rd and longs on two consecutive drives.
Anyway, this was partly for the reasons you mentioned Primate. The other main reason for the conservative game plans was their lack trust in Alex Smith. With 1+ year of history with AS, it remains to be seen how much they’ll trust him this year. Will they take the training wheels off? I’d like to see it happen. Let’s see how it plays out.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lpkX2O__wGs&feature=youtube_gdata_player
Consevative playcalling and lack of trust does not win you 14 games. Good coaching and using the strengths of your personnel get you to 14 wins.
They had no WR last year nick, it wasnt about Alex cause as you probably don’t know, Alex is still there, they revamped the WR core insted.
No conservative play calling does win championships, please see Raven with Dilfer, Defense wins championships.
neal, the ravens were an anomly,that defense was once in a lifetime. How you can compare lat years niners with that team, it typical of someone who has no clue, YOU!
It was clear the niners offense was behind the 8 ball from day one last year. They had to go conservative because they had no one to stretch the field, not morgan, not carbtree, not even ginn. putting it on alex is lazy
I guess I just did, we have a number 1 defense and special teams minus Kyle Williams and our offense was ranked 29th last season, so why can’t we compare.
LH,
Did I just see you on a episode of cops. You got a DUI driving your roach coach?
neal, youve used that line before, can you think of something else, move to the mom jokes, you can google them and use those cause we all know your lack of intelligence is well lacking.
How you can compare the ravens championship team to last year niners is beyond me. That team was veteran ladden and poised to win, the niners had barely 30 days to prepare for the season under a new regime.
But you go ahead and compare, and make more reasons as to why Alex was the reason the Niners lost in the championship game.
Fitzperv, did you find those other quotes where I insulted your Mom, all you have to do is find 2 more and I will never blog again on here, do you wanna make a bet on finding them big mouth or are you gonna pull a Bayarea lunatic and turtle when challenged on previous comments said?
Haters run their mouth and then can’t back it up!
ok LH,
Did I see you fall of the roof, too much beer. I actually feel sorry for you. Even the Smithers think your a moron.
First of all Prime Perv who wants to bang my Mom, I am not going to be DS and look things up,. secondly just saying it one time, just shows hows sick you are perv. Also I could care less if you blog or your don’t. Fatnich Perv hahahahah
neal, dont tell me show me?
Neal your big talker Betty Crocker! The guy that talks big but can’t back it up.
Neal
That would be BigP who does that. Besids I need not look any further than your most recent posts on any given day to see your true nature come out.
And I said a few days ago, some here are in love with me so, they bring me up out of the blue routinely.
You wuld be among that group of lost souls Neal.
Of the 5 questions, Goldston IMO is the most critical one.
Goldston is a key player on our defense who would be sorely missed if he chooses to sit. If DG holds out there will be a mad race for someone to replace/win the position during TC. I would not be surprised if the Org signed a F/A to help fill the need.
I like your logic behind K.Hunt being the 3rd RB. I never viewed L.James as supplanting KH this season because of the reasons you mentioned. L.James will get his opportunities, but they will come in special packages that will likely not require blocking.
Alex Boone is penciled in as the OG, but i’m not convinced he is the slam-dunk Starter at the moment. I few of us here touched on this subject over the last two days. If Boone does not convince the Org during TC there could be a F/A signing here as well unless one our second year or rookie O-lineman can sneak in and snatch up the position.
I like Dixon a lot, but he has been his own worse enemy with his style of ‘dancing’ rather than exploding to the line of scrimmage. I would like to see him win over Jacobs because i’ve never been a huge fan of BJ’ upright running style which makes him susceptible to fumbles. I think BJ’ experience will win out and Dixon will go packing.
Moss is a special athlete. Not many players his can retain their speed at this age like RM has (Darrell Green type). Plus, he will have fresh legs not having played last year. He will get his catches, but he will also attract coverage that will allow our other WR’ to prosper.
You don’t replace a RM if he gets injured, but I see the Org keeping KW, A.J. Jenkins, and my personal pick Nate Palmer as insurance.
its goldson
Top 5 Answers To Questions:
1. Mr. Goldson has made the same mistake twice with two different agents. Am I to believe he will not make another foolish decision by waiting until the last moment to sign and report? Nope.
2. Mr. Hunter will be the next back in for Mr. Gore. Why? Because he is an excellent back who can do it all including the ablility to run between the tackles.
3. Although his height is not conducive to the position, Mr. Boone will be an upgrade over Mr. Snyder who was by my estimation one of the worst RGs in the NFL last year. He will solidify the offensive line.
4. I can’t bet on a guy who waits until his back is against the wall to perform at the level demanded to beat out a proven starting running back with fuel in the tank. Mr. Jacobs will be the guy.
5. A rolling stone gathers no Moss, and this team is on the Super Bowl or bust express train. I fully expect this coaching staff to utilize Mr. Moss in the same fashion as Mr. Gore. Keep him fresh for the playoffs. Ofcourse having the best trainer in the league might also help him out. Can you say Mr. Uyeyama?
Can you say their first names please?
Brian
Mr. Snyder= Adam Snyder. Last years RG, no longer with the team.
Mr. Jacobs= Brandon Jacobs. FA signing from the Giants. Said we were the toughest team the Giants played in both games.
Mr. Uyeyama = Uso (?) as his first name. Giants pass rush specialist.
Mr. Goldson = Dashon. Our starting safety who did not sign and will have to take a 1 year deal as a franchise player.
Mr. Hunter = Kendall Hunter. Our promising young 2nd year RB.
Mr. Gore = Frank Gore. I hope to God you know who he is.
@DS94everXev
I was obviously being facetious. I know who every player is. I said can you say their first names please because it was really annoying that you referred to them all as “Mr.” The last thing you said was “Can you say…”
@Brian
Good to know. But some people do get confused with the initials and names. And instead of calling them “stupid” or some other word, I just try to help them out. At times, it does get confusing to everyone at one time or another.
I don’t recall having seen a lot of your stuff, so welcome to the blog Brian!
:- )
Good stuff Razor.
I’m not too concerned about Goldson. Vic Fangio showed what he could do last year and if Goldson flops then Robinson, Spillman or Jones will fill the void. The front seven will take care of business.
@DS gotta chuckle,
Mark Uyeyama is the 49ers fitness coach, I beleive that was the reference Razor made, rather than Osi Umenyiora, the Giants DE.
“Mark Uyeyama is the 49ers fitness coach, I beleive that was the reference Razor made, rather than Osi Umenyiora, the Giants DE.”
See what I mean Brian.
Grant, since you see Hunter as the 3rd down back, who do you see filling in for Gore on the early downs or if injured? Since you indicated you don’t think Hunter can run inside, who takes on that role? Jacobs? Somebody besides Gore has to be able to run between the tackles. Would you see Jacobs making the roster just for that purpose and short-yardage, too? Do you have any stats on Hunter like YPC running inside vs outside that you are basing this on? Thanks
Maybe a better question then if Boone can play the position would be what if he CANT? Then what do we do? If Boone emerged as the clear candidate to fill the role given who else is currently on the squad plus the fact that all of training camp and pre-season will be spent trying to get Boone to be able to play RG leaves us totally hosed at that position if he ultimately fails. I would feel a lot better if I knew what our contingency plan was…or maybe I wouldn’t.
I’d like to hear why you think Gore cant be a third down back, with all of the fresh legs why not mix it up on the early downs and use hunter/gore for third down since they both can pick up blitz’s and catch out of the backfield?
I think the problem with Jacobs as a goal line/short yardage back will be the obviousness of it. Not unlike our years with Jimmy Raye and Iron Mike, when it was so bloody obvious when the niners were running and when they were passing simply by looking at who was on the field. Unless they run a play action pass or naked boot the defense is going to be queuing off of Jacobs every time he comes in the game if it’s only on short yardage situations.
Another question would be; has the offense added the right tools along with internal player growth to be better on 3rd down and goal line situations this season?
@Stryker I like your points about Boone and RBs on third down, but I disagree about worrying about putting BJ in short yardage only.
Many teams do this. You know exactly what they plan to do and you can’t stop them. Sometimes, you just have to beat them off the ball and make it happen. Besides, like you said, it really opens up other options off of pay action.
That said, I believe, if they keep BJ he will be used sparingly on first and second down. He has been a starter every down back before, so while there will be little threat he’ll catch a ball, it’s not like the Niners threw to their running backs much last year anyway.
1. If Goldson is smart he will sign immediatly, he needs to prove himself, that he deserves that long term deal. Holding out does him no good. Coming in late is a dangerous ploy as most who hold out seems to take them 4-6 games to get it togeather.
2. I am all in on James, but Hunter is a very good back and now has that experience of a year its his job to lose. If James wants to make an immediate impact he needs to learn SP teams ASP.
3. RG is up for grabs, Boone seems to be the one choosen. I believe this might be the biggest battle in training camp.
4. Running backs making the team, another interesting battle I think Dixon isnt going to make the team. But you never know.
5. RM is going to be fine. Limit the contact in training camp and pre season games, he doesnt need much of it.
1. Agree. I think along the lines with Grant here. AF seems to be his hero right now.
2. Disagree, though maybe we aren’t seeing eye to eye on this point. I want both James and KH in the game simultaneously. What LB core is going to stop them in the short passing game, which becomes the long passing game YAC wise when they can’t get them.
3. I really have no idea here. Boone could be. He is the strongest guy. But we had nice discussion yesterday about switching Boone and AD if AD does not improve, and have Boone go back and play the position he knows better.
4. Toss up. I don’t think Jacobs is a sure fire hit to make the squad either. And he does not play ST. So, he needs to be spectacular on offense the few times he is in there.
5. Agree.
For all of you who want to see high lights of Joe’s last game as a Niner:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CKEzSJsNBp8
Pay special attention to what is said at the 3:50 mark
“This conservative high % offense.”
in reference to the JM led Niner team. Or SY led team if you prefer to view it as such in the middle of the glory years.
So, those here who keep asking about the training wheels being let off of AS this year and “the check down” comments, guess what that is called?
“…conservative high % offense….”
Otherwise known as the one that got us 5 Lombardi trophies quicker than anybody else in such a short time span at that.
Another interesting point, is that I didn’t see JM throw open a single WR in this highlight reel. That is because the WR’s got open by themselves. Because, you know. That is their job.
Nick, you might want to check out the throw JM makes at the 1:24 mark. JM had a wide open Jones, and his pass was a bit off, making Jones dive for it. Remember that pass you referenced in the Detroit game to MC where you said a better pass gets more YAC? This one is for you to compare the two. If JM is allowed to miss one, so is AS.
DS,
Thanks for that really, I still remember that game. Brent Jones still the best 49er tight end ever.
Nice – brings back the good times when the 49ers had great quarterbacks.
Watching the way Joe led the offense just makes the abomination of the NFCCG feel even worse though. 3rd down conversions, actual touchdowns in the red zone… ah well. Those sorts of things were in the past – we have to deal with average now.
Stop living in the past msclemons, its 2012, Joe Montana has retired and your an old fart who cant stop talking about remember when, the lowest form of conversation
msc
Things to note:
1. Jones was open Lee had his own zipcode on those 2 TD’s.
2. We seemed to not run up the gut on every play near the endzone. Why? Those plays take practice and reps. We didn’t have that last year due to the lockout and yet another new offensive system.
@Latino – living in the past? Are you saying there are no great quarterbacks in the league today?
The 49ers need to keep trying to get a great quarterback. Until then we have a decent placeholder.
@DS – two things to note here:
1) Joe saw the open receivers
2) He threw the ball to them instead of over their heads
Those two things help separate great from average.
You really need to stop trying to denigrate the greatest QB ever in order to make the Precious look competent. Every time you do this you make the guy no one wanted look worse.
@msc
You’re right. I did want him. Of course JH wanted him here.
Something you can’t reason out. You wanted JH, but the first thing JH did was to get AS. AS was gone. He said so himself after the last game. TB said it. The only reason AS came back was because JH saw the precious and everybody else, and picked him. JH convinced both TB/AS to give it another year.
You can’t deny it. You prefer to ignore it. Doesn’t mean it didn’t happen though. You got what you wanted. AS had no contact. AS was thru here. JH is to blame, 100% for AS not going away and fulfilling your wishes.
By the way what QB do you compare AS to? What other QB has remotely gone thru what he has in the whole history of the NFL? None.
Thus I compare him and CK and everybody else to the standard. JM.
And so must you if you don’t want AS. You must. You have no choice. Because nobody has gone thru what he has, and you need a frame of reference to determine how good anything is, you compare him to …. Without a reference to compare you can’t say who is bad/good.
I do it to JM. And so do you. Unless you don’t make comparisons of players. And you do. If you compare AS to AR, you’re just as wrong as I am in comparig AS to JM.
If you didn’t compare to JM, after last year, why aren’t you all in? 14-4 is tied for third best in the NFL. You’d be overjoyed! You sure aren’t comparing him to AR. AR last year lost his first playoff game. So, if you were, AS got further, so you take him. You aren’t seeing AR being called a placeholder. So why would the guy who got further get called one? You compare him to JM because that is who we all know best.
Please make up your mind about things:. If you go by “What have you done lately?” then you love AS. What he did before means nothing. Only what happened last year matters.
LH,
Are you angry all of the time? You bring up Joe Montana and you go crazy, wh0 cares Jose, it is just July killing time, not much to talk about. I can’t get enough of the greatest football player ever.
Not you bringing it up, other blogers. Get over it, ignore it, I guess you can’t.
Joe Flacco is in the same boat as alex smith in terms of nfl careers and fan disgust.
Their 2011 numbers are similar:
Joe Flacco
2011 Regular Season
Attemps 312
Complettions 542
yards 3,610
Post Season:
attempts 36
completions 63
Yards 482
Alex Smith
Attempts 445
Completions 273
yards 3144
Post Season:
Attempts 68
completions 36
yards 495
The career completion percentages for the two are very close. Flacco has a career of 60.8 while Smith has a career of 58% completion percentage.
Passer ratings are similar also.
There is the comparison you asked for.
Hey loud mouth Neal, you find those quotes about me calling out your Mom yet? Yeah didn’t think so you lying sack!
Neal, Prime, & Latino… please get your backpacks and report to Mr Beldings office immediately.
Hack Jammer, once again to the rescue for Neal, what’s your deal with the perv anyways? BTW, mind your business, is that not what you advised me to do with DS? Frickin hypocrite!
Whew. Saved by the bell. Bad pun I know.
Chill out Primetime. Jack was most likely joking.
Midwest without knowing the history and/or unless your sitting beside jack, how the hell do you know, mind your own business too………..
And thankfully you got it MWN : )
Thanks for having my back Heat, jack, whats with the reference to a 90′s kids show? Are you unable to think of something post 2000 or is this like lemons where your living in the past talking about Joe Montana?
The Mr. Belding part was a dead giveaway to me at least. And I know what it’s like to be skewered over the coals because of something being posted that is taken in completely the wrong way. For example, a little while back I mentioned one thing Alex Smith and Joe Montana had in common, and the I knew, I had people blasting me for ‘saying’ that Smith was on the same level as Montana when I had simply just made one innocent comparison. So yeah, I think it is my business Latino, because I’ve been there. If you don’t like it, then lump it. Unless somebody personally attacks you here, there’s not real reason to get upset.
TV post 2000 has pretty well stunk so I can understand Jack using a ’90s TV reference.
Guys Montana retired a long time ago. Comparing him to any modern day QB makes no sense on so many levels. Not going into his entire career and all his accomplishments, the one thing it makes no sense to compare him is that the NFL games has changed 180 degrees from the time he retired til now. Bottom line is there will never be any comparison because he was and always will be the best.
You guys bringing it up as a debate is a joke
Speaking of post 2000 TV, who will Emily choose tonight? : )
Primetime,
Do you know what my comparison was? That they both have a Catch attached to their history. That’s it. I’ve said it before but I DON’T MAKE COMPARISONS PERIOD. It takes away from the accomplishments of the players. Plus the mold of a player and the style of play are on constant flux.
Latino,
You just proved my point.
ET. That way she can phone home if thing don’t work out.
I’m on a roll. If I keep this up, I’ll start to make 4 yr. olds cry.
LH , you got to be the most unhappiest person in the universe, calling Jack a queer because he watches a peciculatr TV shows, just shows that you are one unhappy taco.
@medic one
Was Joe Flacco drafted onto a team that had no talent?
Was Joe Flacco drafted onto a team whose HC had him continue to play after a major shoulder injury for another month or so, where he risked his whole career by playing those extra 4-5 games?
Was Joe Flacco’s coach ever stuck looking at the film and getting nothing from it? (MS reference)
Was Joe Flacco’s OC system to run it up the middle twice, then ask him to convert 3rd and long over and over again?
Has Joe Flacco endured 5-6 (lost track myself now it is so many) different offensive systems? Often going 1 year and done and on to a new one the next?
Does Joe Flacco play on a tea which has historically great QB’s with that pressure on him to perform just as well as they did?
There are a lot more questions/situations I can go thru. Though I think my point is made loud and clear. No way, no how are JF and AS remotely the same. They have each undergone vastly different experiences in the NFL.
Besides, I don’t know (you didn’t provide any reference) to suggest that the Raven fans were chanting for a 3rd string QB in “Carr, Carr!” while Flacco ripped the opponent apart.
If the only thing you have are statistical comparisons, that means zilch.
TV post 2000 has pretty well stunk so I can understand Jack using a ’90s TV reference.
It depends on where you look Midwest. I agree there is too much fluff amid the reality shows and lame sitcoms but there is a ton of great shows that we wouldn’t have seen on the air 20 years ago.
Breaking Bad, Mad Men, Dexter, Rescue Me, The Wire: just a few examples of amazing TV shows that couldn’t have been made in the past because there was no outlet for them on Television.
Completely off topic and not football related, but I’ve had this conversation with friends and it is interesting to look at the difference between TV now and then. Some really high quality stuff coming out sandwiched between the mind numbing reality trend.
Rocket,
You are right, there are some quality shows, but the comedy genre has really been on fumes since Seinfeld ended.
Rocket,
Good list. I’ll add “Homeland”, “Sopranos”, “Boardwalk Empire”, “Damages” and “Justified”.
Jack,
For comedies, try “Curb Your Enthusiasm”, “The League” and “Louie”. They’re all hilarious. I don’t watch it often, but “Modern Family” is pretty good. You are right, though, comedies are a little down, these days.
@exgolfer:
You are overlooking Archer, South Park, Eastbound and Down, It’s Always Sunny and others. Archer is so good, it made cancer funny.
As for the network stuff, Parks and Recreation, 30 Rock and Community have had their moments. Community in particular has done some impressive stuff. And I am not just talking about the Alison Brie jiggle work.
Some nice additions to the list guys, especially Boardwalk Empire suggested by exgolfer.
Almost all the suggestions come from cable networks and not the traditional big 4 Networks. That is why I said these shows could not have been made 20 years ago. It took Networks like HBO, Showtime, FX etc to start making some quality TV and change the model.
There are a few pretty good shows on the big 4 but most of the programs I find myself watching are off the old grid.
>>but the comedy genre has really been on fumes since Arrested Development ended.
Fixed that for you, Jack ;)
Claude,
I really like “South Park” and “Parks and Rec”, and Archer looks interesting, but I’m cutting my TV back to one hour a day. Maybe when I’m retired, whenever that is.
Rocket,
Steve Buscemi is the man! Did you know that they were considering Alec Baldwin for the role of Nucky Thompson? AB would’ve been a good choice, but they made the right call with SB. Such a disconnect between his feeble appearance to his being a complete cutthroat criminal, borderline psycho. Not to mention he’s a brilliant actor.
exgolfer,
Interesting. I had no idea AB was considered for the role. I think it worked out well with Buscemi. I’m a big fan just like you. Fargo is one of my all time favorite movies because of Buscemi’s performance in it.
Sorry guys, but none of those shows work for me. I am probably one of the worst critics when it comes to watching a TV show or a movie. Trust me on this.
Perv Time,
You had said it on several times, I don’t need to prove it to you, thinking about it just once shows what a perveted mind you are. I have a life, today just alone, pool, kids, high school football meeting, out to dinner with friends. I am not going to spend my time, trying to look up all of the stuff of you wanting to bang my 82 year old mom, You are a very sick person. Gross!!!
Coward or stupid, you called prime out and saying he he spends his time making mom remarks when in fact its you. You call him a perv when in fact your the one posting pictures of women on here, neal are you sure your not leading a double life or are yu really that clueless?
Neal,
Just read your comment over on Lowell’s blog from this morning. Thumbs up.
Thanks Jack I appreciate it :)
2 things you do well jack
Really? Show me one time where I ever used either of those terms on this blog.
BTW, do you ever talk football? You do know this blog is about football correct?
This blog has become a joke since Eric Branch left. Nothing but an endless morass of ad hominems and other BS. Too bad, it was once worth reading.
There have always been idiots on the blog no matter who was writing it. This perception that the blog forum has gone down hill since Branch left is nonsense. I remember back to Maiocco times when we had numerous posters on here that were worse than most I see on here now.
If there is an open forum to express personal views you will have uneducated knuckleheads commenting to get attention. It is the same everywhere you go and on any subject matter you choose to seek out. If you don’t like it, don’t read it and ignore it. It’s not a hard concept to grasp.
The point is, Rocket – when those idiots started posting nothing but ad hominems and racist BS, they got banned pronto. Of late, nobody seems to be moderating this thing – which is why it’s no longer really worth the effort to wade through the pages of middle school BS to find a few decent comments.
Grumpy Guy,
People got banned when they went over the line egregiously. I personally have not seen that but maybe I’ve missed it. Point is, you can skim over the posters you know you will not like material from. It gets convoluted with stupidity at times I agree, but I’d rather just ignore the posts than put some type of restriction in place. That’s just me but to each his own.
Good piece Grant. Another question I would include is can Crabtree stay healthy. If Crabtree survives TC without an injury, he could be looking at a potential Pro Bowl season. If he gets injured in TC, then we could be looking at a changing of the guard if Manningham and/or Williams excell in his place. I’m hoping for a healthy Crabtree and a Pro Bowl season from him as well.
MWN,
As you probably know by now, I have been on the forefront of MC’ defense around here for some time.
As much as I have defended MC, I will be the first to wave him goodbye if he has a poor season/playoffs. MC is where AS was a year ago. He must prove himself by having a better TC/season and playoffs. I’m not particularly happy with MC’ playoff showing, and can’t believe that he is either.
I believe he is capable of being an All-Pro based on his ability to catch about everything thrown his way. He needs to work on his concentration, running precise routes, and become a posession WR which I believe is more suited for him given his lack of stretching the field.
R.Moss will prove to be a very valuable player on offense because he will stretch the field and open-up opportunities for our other WR’s.
AS will need to open-up more as well. I also believe that he is capable of making the long throws when given the chance. If MC becomes an All-Pro it will be because AS gets his as well.
midwest
Quite an “either or” there.
Do you mean MC has to make the Pro Bowl, or that he be of that caliber? Difference is popularity vs. performance.
I can care less if AS or MC make the Pro Bowl. Stopped caring about that game when Justin Smith was getting ignored for so long.
@AES
There is no way anybody could know you are a defender of MC. Good thing you said it. lol
DS,
You don’t have to be named to the Pro Bowl in order to have a Pro Bowl season. There have been many times where a player was better than another player at the same position but was not chosen because he didn’t win the popularity contest.
I think Boone should be the number #1 question really. That hole at right guard is huge.
#2 for me is Randy Moss. He has quit on every team he’s ever played for. How much will the 49ers get from him before the inevitable melt down?
Gotta disagree with you on your top question Msclemon. Boone has shown the strong capability to adapt to whatever is thrown at him. He came into the league out of shape and a huge character risk as an undrafted free agent. The next season he came in chiseled and a model citizen. He then proceeded to take over as the backup OT for both positions on the line and has even excelled in filling in when needed to where some believe that he should be a starter. I’m making the bold prediction that not only will Boone excell, but that he will finish the season as one of the top give RGs in the league.
Five, not give.
msc,
I agree with the Boone issue being #1. That pressure up the middle really killed the passing game far too often last year and needs to be much better this season. I think the dark horse in the competition is Looney. This kid would have been a higher pick had he not injured his foot at the Sr. Bowl. I think he’s got a shot at winning the job if he can get healthy before camp gets too far along.
In regards to Moss, I may be drinking the koolaid but I think he’s past the old petulant child he was at one time. He spent a year out of the league and I think it humbled him. He seems to be appreciative of getting another chance and is doing the offield things the Coaches wanted from him. He won’t be the vintage version of Moss we grew accustomed to seeing in his prime, but I think he will give us the big play threat at WR we haven’t had in sometime. He’s already making a big contribution by getting Crabtree to focus more in chalk and film sessions, so he’s off to a good start.
I think will be just fine this season. Goldson is easily the #1 question. If he holds out, how much will that affect his performance on the field? If he struggles in any way this season, then our secondary could potentially get shredded by a team strong in the passing game.
Boone will be fine. Don’t know why his name didn’t go through the first time.
1. Will Dashon Goldson hold out? I expect him to hold out a couple of weeks into training camp like last year. He is really gambling on his future, because if he falls back a bit the offers will follow.
2. Who will be the third down running back? Kendall Hunter. He will be the first RB off the bench behind Gore. I think it will take a little time for James to get comfortable in the offense and find his role. Missing all of the offseason but the two rookie only sessions will slow him down a bit.
3. How will Alex Boone fare at right guard? Boone will prove to be a major upgrade at the RG spot. His experience pass blocking in space as a tackle will make the transition inside a smooth process, and he will be a road grader in the run game.
4. Who will be the short yardage running back? I give the nod to Brandon Jacobs. His career shows that after a tough year in 2011, he will pick it up in 2012. Plus Uyeyama has him doing squats for the first time in his pro career, stronger legs equal running some fools over.
5. How will Randy Moss hold up to the grind? The staff will keep him fresh during TC with the occasional day off they provide for veterans, and Harbaugh/Roman will get him the ball enough to keep him happy and engaged throughout the season. Even in his worst years he was still a strong red zone threat.
squats? wow, how can an Nfl athelete especially a rb get away with ever doing squats? amazing…..I think we’ll get a few 20 yarders out of him.
big niner,
Not sure if you’re messing with me. Anyhow here is a link to a story about it just in case.
http://blogs.sacbee.com/49ers/archives/2012/05/brandon-jacobs-didnt-dodoin-squats-in-san-francisco.html
This will be a real off season for Roman to get his game right, install plays and learn how to win with this offense. I want to see better 3rd down and red zone efficiency. If he does that then we’ll go all the way.
Jacobs needs to be our 3rd and short guy, period. I’m done with Boobie…James is a beast in disguise waiting for his chance.
http://www.mercurynews.com/49ers/ci_21128011/five-questions-san-francisco-49ers-begin-training-camp
Here’s my view of the The Joe Montana, Alex Smith comparisions.
Both right-handed and both wearing the 49er red and gold. End of story!
@AES
“Both right-handed and both wearing the 49er red and gold. End of story!”
Which is one more thing (wearing red and gold) than comparing AS to AR/TB have in common.
You’re right DS; There is NO comparision!
@AES
Then by what measure can you judge good vs. bad if there isn’t any standard?
My question #6: Will the OLBs stay healthy and have enough energy to win games at the end of the season (especially Aldon Smith)? Will rookie Cam Johnson be able to spot spell Aldon Smith or Brooks to keep them fresh (better then Harrelson)?
Just because we don’t have enough drama around here already. Discuss amongst yourselves.
http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2012/07/23/preseason-power-rankings-no-4-san-francisco-49ers/
@Rocket
Thanks for sharing that link. I’m not trying to stir things up :) but here is a quote from that article:
Quarterback Alex Smith gained plenty of support during the Niners’ 13-3 season, but he is the weak link on offense.
Nick,
That’s been a well vetted out point of contention. Let’s give Alex a few weeks with the new weapons. Maybe he won’t be, as the experts have suggested,the weak link any longer.
That stood out to me too Nick. Perception is still mostly negative on Smith. He needs to have a big year to turn it around the other way.
A “pedestrian wide receiver corps” and a QB that’s a “weak link”.
Ya think one influences the other? Nah….
It’s hard to take Evan Silva too seriously on Alex Smith. Silva simply hates Smith. I think Alex stole his girlfriend or his Nutter Butters or something.
I like most of Silva’s writing but in this case he’s got a blind spot. Alex isn’t a strength on the team but he’s not a weakness either. He doesn’t do things on the field to hurt the team.
The San Francisco 49ers announced they have signed CB Darcel McBath to a one-year contract. A training camp depth guy or someone who played for Donatel who could be part of the nickel and dime packages, anyone know anything about this guy?
He’s actually a safety, and additional insurance against Goldson having an attack of Suddenly Stupid Syndrome and staying out of camp.
http://blog.sfgate.com/49ers/2012/07/23/roster-moves-49ers-sign-s-mcbath-place-3-rookies-on-injured-lists/
Suddenly Stupid Syndrome? Nah, I’d say more like Stuck on Stupid Syndrome. Good move by the staff picking up some insurance.
Interesting column that Kaep should be traded. I know some of you don’t like the Bleacher report, but this has a interesting twist. I would keep Kaep, don’t want to put all of my eggs in one basket with AS.
http://bleacherreport.com/articles/1268104-san-francisco-49ers-why-now-is-the-time-to-trade-colin-kaepernick?utm_source=newsletter&utm_medium=newsletter&utm_campaign=san-francisco-49ers
Now is the time to trade Kap, I agree wholeheartedly. If Tolzien or JJ can step in and hold the fort if Alex gets hurt, then its a great idea to trade Kap.
Just like the Eagles did with Kolb, you can get valuable picks in return for the future. Alex is only 28 years old and if he continues to improve like he did last year, the Niners can afford to draft a project in the later rounds and use the picks from Kap to get more depth at other positions. If he is not going to be our future starter, then yes deal him.
@FDM
Right now isn’t the time. Just before or during draft day is the time. Teams go by emotion then. Not logic. If nobody offered anything of worth before, they won’t now.
A better time might be right before the conclusion of training camp. Possibly an injury to a starter or a team that drafted a potential starter and are not sure of his durability or development.
FDM,
Unfortunately, the Eagles were in a little better position with Kolb, than the 49ers are with CK.
I’m not necessarily saying that Kolb was better when he was traded, than CK is now. I’m saying Kolb’s percieved value by the rest of the league is likely a good deal higher than that of CK, right now.
Kolb had significant playing time and was behind McNabb and Vick. CK has had very little regular season experience and is behind Alex Smith.
If the 49ers somehow get offered a “Kolb to Arizona” type package, the should grab it. Otherwise, unless they feel CK is bust, they should keep him on board.
I agree the return on Kaep would not be as high as Kolb because we haven’t seen Kaep in a real game. But if you could get a 2nd & 5th or a 3rd and 5th, or some combination of those picks, would you guys do that deal?
Prime if after this training camp the 49ers have determined Alex as their future and Kaep as a career back up then yes. You can always find another project in the draft or veteran QB via free agency.
The team does have multiple picks next year but at some point they will need to get a stud defensive end and maybe acquiring picks now will allow them to go after someone in the draft in the top 5?
I’d keep Kaep, both because of his potential and the lack of a return you’d get right now. Nobody is trading away high picks for a second year guy who was considered a long term project and hasn’t had any playing time to change that way of thinking.
The Niners need to be patient and let the kid develop. He’s got all the physical talent in the world. He just needs time to adjust.
The most interesting battle in my mind will be between JJ and Tolzien. I’m still not convinced that JJ makes this team if Tolzien looks better in TC. They paid him little more than the vet minimum with a small signing bonus. It would be easy to cut him if Tolzien outplays him in preseason.
@FDM
If a starter gets injured, teams will want to trade for a proven commodity. A vet guy. CK is not that guy. CK is a guy you trade because he has future potential. Think Steve Young minus his actual playtime in Tampa.
If a vet goes down, nobody will come calling for CK.
…I like kid….am just pissed he has not held down the number 2 spot……
…….after that great season last yr, he should be ready to go…….unfortunately I read/feel he is not…..
@oneniner
“I read/feel he is not…..”
I get what you’re saying. But remember, a lot of the people who said AS were done are the same ones writing that CK isn’t ready either. So, I won’t go by what they wrote at all.
Also, I have not heard anybody who does know (actual NFL QB’s) talk about CK. When you hear what the actual QBs said about AS and what reporters/fans/experts said about him, it was night and day. Terry Bradshaw, Joe Montana, Kurt Warner, and several others who are responsible for about 1/4 of the Super Bowls played have all said what you and I have said. Give AS a real chance. Can’t grade him yet. He’s still here, when nobody else could go thru this. Then, in his first year with a real HC who knows offense and QB, he led them to the Title game.
By what you feel….nobody can tell you how you feel. Only you.
@DS…..you lost me on that post……CK had the opportunity to learn from a great season, he had the chance to see JH and Alex work for the first time….
…he had the best opportunity to learn and grow……..even better than Tolzien since the org drafted him that high
….if by now he is not the solid number 2 (according to JH)…..there is a huge problem…
….not grading AS after his 2nd season or not having a clue about how he would project is plain dumb…….any objective mind would have thought Alex was going to grow……and he did…….(people keep forgetting not only the niners had Alex going first in the draft)
After spending his rookie season on the bench, with a coach like JH, there is no excuse why CK shouldn’t be the solid number 2 QB on the team……..unless of course!
…..lets keep it real and simple…..
the number 2 QB is not expected to learn the whole playbook…..based on limited reps with the 1st team……the #2 QB is expected to own or know at least 25% of the playbook or at least have an offensive package he can successfully run if the started goes down………
After 1 yr you are telling me our #2 QB who was drafted in the 2nd round does not have the confidence of the head coach (a coach who has no problem hyping his players i.e great hands, best WR, pro-bowl QB) to assigned him the number 2 spot….
….I am not happy about that……we need our #2 QB spot solidified by now….
Interesting thought, but I’d keep CK around for a couple more years. He has too high of a ceiling to give up on at this stage in his career. JH and the 49ers FO realize this. On top of this, JH most likely views CK as ‘his’ QB project.
The 49ers are not going to trade away CK this year. He is still developing and no one is going to give you high picks in return.
The real battle in training camp at QB is going to be between Johnson and Tolzien for the #3 spot. They have a lot of flexibility here. If Tolzien wins the spot they can release JJ with minimal penalties. If JJ wins they can try to get Tolzien on to the practice squad and keep him around that way.
..”a lot of the people who said AS were done are the same ones writing that CK isn’t ready either.”….
the only person I listen to when it comes to our QB’s is JH………and JH is not saying CK is ready to be the number 2………..even TB is not saying it, or else he won’t have signed JJ
…guys I am not talking about trading him or if he is a project….i am saying what happens if that fatso DL comes thru the (center and RG) or (RG and RT) – slams Alex again resulting in an injury…….
shouldn’t we feel comfortable our #2 gives us a chance to win going forward………right now the coach does not…..and I don’t either……
oneniner says, “shouldn’t we feel comfortable our #2 gives us a chance to win going forward…….right now the coach does not…..”
One, are you having private talks with Harbaugh, because when asked about it back on November 28 he said the following,
“Every week you see backup quarterbacks being called upon. How would you feel about having to send him out there in a situation?
“I’d be confident in him.”
That is pulled directly from Grant’s post on that day, and Harbaugh has never said anything to show that this is still not the case.
the only person I listen to when it comes to our QB’s is JH………and JH is not saying CK is ready to be the number 2………..even TB is not saying it, or else he won’t have signed JJ
Hey Jack……..Looks like he doesnt trust Harbaugh unless its about his hero Smith only. See how it works in this clowns world. He and Ds are fantastic Alex Smith fans. I wont disagree with that. As far as being 49er fans??? Ha ha Yeeeah Right.
@oneniner
The thing I found most concerning about CK was in the last game of the exhibition season. CK vs. Chargers D against Tolzein vs. or D.
And I know they are scrubs, but Tolzein looked so much better than CK.
CK was in a perfect position. If he had played like Tolzien in that game had, thru the pre-season, I think the Niners pick CK to start. New HC, New QB. Not that rare to find on a team that went 6-10.
@jack ….I know u hav issues but didn’t think it was this bad………the answer to this question will help u understand my point……..who is the official #2 qb on the depth chart?
oneniner,…compared to you I am Einstein…you claim Harbaugh doesn’t have confidence in CK, and I just proved you wrong so now you change the question…according to all public reports CK is the #2 QB..per Maiocco yesterday, “Kaepernick enters training camp as the No. 2 man”….any further questions?
Do you have any proof other than the JJ signing to show otherwise?
…Jack….if you are Einstein …I am Newton….
..you left out the rest of MM quote..”but he’ll have to hold off Johnson to retain his job.”…….
you also didn’t paste MM’s question..”Who do you think should be the No. 2 QB behind Alex Smith? “……
and finally the last words on this subject…….”Jim Harbaugh was clear that Alex Smith not only is the No. 1 quarterback but that he’s put distance between himself and No. 2.”………that number two we will find out after camp…..
LOL oneniner…you are more like Newman than Newton…
…you stated that Harbaugh has no confidence and I proved you wrong…
…you said that CK is not the #2 and I proved you wrong…
of course he needs to hold JJ off to maintain his spot…is there any #2 guy on the team that doesn’t have to compete for their position?…in case you haven’t been paying attention, Harbaugh has been preaching competition at every position going back to his days at Stanford.
…do you have anything other than your own gut that proves that a) Harbaugh has lost faith in CK, and b) CK is not the #2 QB heading into training camp?
I have no clue in how many draft picks the Niners would get for Kaep, I do know the Niners have a healthy amount next year. Kolb was more established then Kaep. I would like to keep Kaep for another season, see if AS can make the big jump with his new toys.
@ Jack
There are a couple of different ways to look at the signing of JJ. When it first happened I couldn’t help wondering if it made a statement about lack of confidence of CK or in his rate of development. What we’re hearing now from JH could be, repeat: could be his usual positive spin on what he says about his players.
I’ve come to not think Harbaugh has any problem with Colin. For example, look at bringing in a Long Snapper to compete with Brian Jennings, one of the best specialists in the NFL. Too many QBs, too many RBs+WRs+TEs.
So, I’m buying that Harbaugh actually does like CK as his probable #2, but I understand people wondering.
@Tuna,
I agree about people wondering, that’s natural, I just don’t buy oneniner’s claim that Harbaugh has no confidence in him.
How many more days until the first preseason game? It’s time to start settling some of these debates : )
Too much is being made of the JJ signing imo. First off, Harbaugh has clearly said he wants competition at every position and they have stuck to their edict on that. However, JJ signed for peanuts so there is little expectation from him because of it imo. This is a case where Harbaugh saw a former player of his available for a song and did him a favor while also solidfying his QB depth chart with another guy well versed in his system.
I know some on here believe JJ is Harbaugh’s guy and will be given a chance to start, but the evidence and actions don’t back that up. You don’t sign a guy you think can start for barely more than the Vet minimum. You also don’t put him at the bottom of the depth chart to fight with last year’s #3 for a roster spot which is exactly what they’ve done.
I obviously don’t know for sure, but my guess is Harbaugh sees JJ as a competent low cost #3 guy who can play if needed and will help the younger guys with their knowledge of his system. I also see no way they keep him if he’s outplayed in preseason by Tolzien. They’ve given him a small bonus with no future repercussions if they cut him.
@rocket:
I share your view.
Traditionally, teams split their backups into (a) the experienced backup who could come in and play a couple of games if the starting QB was injured and (b) the developmental starting QB of the future.
Of course, many teams have deviated from the traditional approach as QB salaries have gone through the roof and owners have demonstrated less (a lot less) patience in developing QBs. That said, JJ looks like a category (a) backup to me, while Kaepernick would be the category (b) future starter.
But jordan says that JJ will take over the starting job this year, so what do I know?
But jordan says that JJ will take over the starting job this year, so what do I know?
Well Claude with Jordans prediction history, I guess that means Smith and Kaep are a lock to play well and JJ should worry about his future in pro Football.
Anyone know if the 49ers can franchise Mr. Bowman next year if they can’t get a deal done?
…..i believe bowman is signed thru 2013……so 2014 would be the year to franchise him……
Interesting list. Not surprisingly 4 of the top 5 questions revolve around the offense. I don’t really disagree with any of your items on the list but I think a few belong on a top 10 question marks list and not in the top 5. I would put the development of Alex Smith as maybe number 1. Will he continue to improve under the tutelage of Harbaugh and perhaps actually play like a top 5 QB or will he continue to miss open receivers and lead a unit that’s in the bottom 5 in the league in many categories.
I also think we may have to change our thinking about Frank Gore. I’m a huge Gore fan but his age and the wear and tear on his body are taking their toll. What about Gore as the 3rd down back. Great blocker, fights for yards, and making him the 3rd down guy would limit his touches to keep him fresh. Depending on training camp I might have early down situations where Hunter was my primary guy while mixing in James in a few sets.
@ Houston
Yes, I think Frank will get some third down reps, and I think that’s part of the reasoning on B Jacobs; he, (BJ) will get some of those other reps along with Hunter, not just short yardage. Frank will get plenty of work on 1st & 2nd too. I see LaMichael worked in gradually all over the place including the slot and running some of those Fly Sweep and other gadgets.
…isn’t it strange Joe Looney foot is not healed yet……its been 6 months already……
Lisfranc is a b!tch.
Not to be confused with Liz Frank, who is one of the nicest, most giving people you will ever meet. She always remembers your birthday; she volunteers at the soup kitchen; she rescues greyhounds, and she is willing to pick you up at the airport when your significant other forgets. She’s a real sweetheart.
Is Liz Frank that nice even to a lawyer? :)
She is nice to everyone.
Except her grad school roommate Stephanie. They hate each other. Do not invite them to the same party, especially if you have a margarita machine. Sh!t will get thrown.
Your favorite 49er Michael Crabtree has been dealing with a broken bone in his foot for 3 years…and he only weighs about half of what Looney does…so nope, not too strange….
No team will show interest on a player who has yet to show anything on a NFL playing field.
At this juncture, JJ may actually have more trade value than CK because he does have NFL real game experience.
A question I would have regarding a possible CK trade is this; What immediate need do we have on the team that warrants trading a player who may be our future QB? I don’t believe in making a trade just to make one.
CK will likely garner some serious TC attention this year. We need to see if he shows significant progress this year before throwing out the trade card.
@AES
JJ has no trade value at all. If he had, Tampa trades him for it. Why release a player who can give you a draft pick?
And nobody else wanted JJ in FA. If they did, we don’t sign him for the the minimum.
AES:
When the team drafted CK they said he was so raw that it would probably be a 3 year learning curve for the kid. He is just starting his 2nd year and is starting his first real trainin g camp.
If he is not the future then we may be in big trouble unless Alex surprises or JJ comes out smoking in JH’s offense.
There is NO reason to trade CK or even have that thought enter anyone’s mind. JH loved/loves the kid and hand picked him and is grooming him and it is probably right on schedule. We as fans always want instant results,like Cam Newton showed last year but it rarely happens that way,expecially with a kid like Kaep who had no experience in a pro type offense in college.
Have patience ! We will know in a year or two if he is going to be the future as was planned .
>>We as fans always want instant results,like Cam Newton showed last year.
We, kimo sabe? Maybe fans like you want a QB “leading” a team to a losing record. Other fans prefer the NFC title game and beyond. Which is what we got with “surprising” Alex.
TIM says:
July 24, 2012 at 11:18 am
AES:
“When the team drafted CK they said he was so raw that it would probably be a 3 year learning curve for the kid. He is just starting his 2nd year and is starting his first real trainin g camp.”
Tim, i’m not sure if your agreeing or disagreeing with regarding by your comments.
But it could be my fault if I wasn’t clear about my take. In any case, I’m advocating that we keep CK and allow him time to develop under perhaps the best QB coaches in the league.
Got back from Tahoe, what a weekend. Was strolling around the old golf course and saw mr smith. He was surrounded by some kids. Went up and simply said. “Alex don’t make me wear a Bears jersey this season” he looked puzzled and I explained quickly “you’ve gotta break top 7 this season” he smiled and said “I’ll be working hard every day”. Said it before this guy is a class act. And I guess no autographs were allowed. Mark Mulder is a nice guy also. Didn’t get to see mr Rice or Barkley. Two guys I wanted a picture with.
Oh and how bout them A’s right now? Dem boys on fire. Wheeew!
Sounds like a great weekend MD. I haven’t been to Tahoe in years. Last time I was there I went to the golf course at Incline Village on the Nevada side. All good!
From what I’ve seen and heard, you are correct about AS, a total class act.
Bam: 5 new blog posts by Grant in one day!
DS94everXev says:
July 23, 2012 at 2:29 pm
@AES
“Then by what measure can you judge good vs. bad if there isn’t any standard?”
DS, one of the issues in comparing JM and AS among the bloggers here is that there are no specific standards. It’s become comparision by convenience.
Some look at AS’ comeback wins last season and begin to draw comparisions. Some may look at AS’ managerial/leadership skills and make comparisions.
My scale is different. I can’t judge AS’ overall performance based on one good season. I will judge AS based on his body of career work.
AS at this moment still has a below 500 win-loss record. Now that will likely change this season, but as of now it’s below 500.
I’m a somewhat patient man so I’ll wait for AS to string together a few more winning seasons/playoff and SB win before I mention his name in the same sentence with Joe Montana.
@AES
If there are no specific standards, then anything goes. I prefer comparisons to people I know best. And to people who were the best. Being a Niner fan, I am fortunate that JM satisfies both.
I don’t understand why anybody is angry about comparing AS to JM. The only person in the world who really matters in doing so is JM. If JM is offended by it, then it should stop. If not, then people need to get over themselves. Nobody is hurt/insulted by making the comparison whom really matters (JM).
And how can you possibly use pre-JH data at all to measure AS winning abilities?
Nolan continued to start him after his injury, and then drove the bus over him. AS was quite an up and comer after year 2. He starts 2-1 in year 3, gets injured and Nolan should have taken him out. Everything after that point with Nolan shouldn’t count.
As for MS, he was such a great LB coach for the Vikings last year, he was fired after 1 year. Reasons were he didn’t show up for work and the LB’s hated the HOF LB. So, again, how do you extract any meaningful data from that?
You are neither in any science nor in any education field AES. If you used such standards in science as AS’s after his injury to before JH ‘s hire, those standards would be deemed worthless of any valuable info from which any meaningful data can be extracted.
Last year was basically year 2 or 3 if Nolan/MS weren’t the HC. The fact that JM says that he quit even watching film of AS in the Niner offense from before JH after like 5-10 minutes because he saw no good options for AS if his #1 read was not open should mean more than some lunatic fans impression of AS on some blog.
At least it should if you truly hold JM as the best ever. If you really don’t, then you will dismiss him out right which means you really just hate AS, and can care less about JM.
DS,
We all know about AS’ cautionary tale. He made big strides last year as no one should deny.
But you can’t discount AS’ pre-Harbaugh era either. Whether he played under the worse conditions known to man makes no difference in the NFL. Records are records, period.
My contention with the standard you set about comparing AS to the best, is that IMO based on AS’ record, he does not even belong in the JM conversation. I made my standard clear in my last post and that’s where I remain.
My take on the comparison is, you are comparing two different levels of play. Montana had a grasp of his offense that Smith has never had a chance to achieve because of all the changes. Sucks for Alex but it’s reality.
Montana’s precision is so far ahead of Smith that comparisons make little to no sense to me. Comparing numbers is a waste of time as well seeing as though the game has changed drastically since Montana played. The numbers he put up were always in the upper half of the league during his time whereas Smiths similar numbers in yardage place him near the bottom in the current NFL.
What we can hope for is that Smith gets a chance through his own improvement, to play for a few years in this offense and reach a level comparable to Montana. I hope he can do it, because it would make this team a contender for a long time and make the QB position a strength instead of a question mark.
“Records are records, period. ”
And AS has remained here despite all of it. Period.
Listen to JM for a change instead of making things up. Listen to what he says about his career. What he says and what others say are vastly different. And I think JM knows a little better than anybody else how/why things happened.
“But you can’t discount AS’ pre-Harbaugh era either. ”
Then you can’t discount that AS as the QB is responsible for getting VD to the pro-bowl. He is responsible for leading the team, and every player -1 this whole time has believed in him and wanted him as the QB.
Stop putting words into JM’s mouth and actually listen to what the guy says. If JM says you can’t go off of what happened much before (as he implies in his stop watching of film comment), then I say you can’t. He goes on to say what AS has to do, but at no point says he can’t/won’t. Of course JM I bet didn’t see the Niners winning 14 games last year either.
Everybody’s comment that AS looks panicky in the pocket makes a lot more sense now after hearing JM explain it. That is because he should be panicky. He has nowhere to go with the ball. Then last year, with places to go with the ball, he was Mr. Cool back there. 6 Comebacks don’t happen if you are not cool back there and are panicking all the time.
Besides you can’t use tainted standards (Nolan and MS). No matter how much time you put into making them (7 years). You defintely are not a scientist or any sort.
@rocket
I don’t much care about stats at all. But if you do, compare JM’s stats in his 1981 season to that of AS’s last year.
While you are correct that the game has changed, JM was in his 3rd year at that point using the same system. AS was doing it on the fly. So, that balances out in a way.
And JM had flat out better WR’s when he started. MC is not as good as DC or FS were. By the title game, AS was throwing it to 2 guys who were on the practice squad on a different team earlier that season. Comparing that to JM’s weapons in 1981,is not fair.
What is fair is what they did manage to achieve. Both found ways to win games on teams that came out of nowhere. AS in 2011 is a lot like JM was in 1981. And that is with JM having a known HOF HC, better WR’s, a system which basically nobody else was using for the most part (thus their opponents dont’ know how to stop it). JH’s offense is not as revolutionary as BW’s was in 1981. So teams know how to stop it more easily
DS,
You can’t make that comparison. At the beginning of the 81 season, Montana had 8 starts under his belt. Alex Smith had 7 years and a lot more starts before this past season. We can talk about the lack of a cohesive structure during Smiths first few years in the league, but he started quite a few games and got the experience Montana didn’t have going into the 81 season.
You can argue that Montana had better WR’s, but he didn’t have a TE remotely close to Davis’ caliber and he didn’t have much of a running game either.
Smith improved a lot last season but you can’t compare him to one of the best who ever played. There is no comparison to be made there yet. As I said, I hope Smith can get to that level playing in the same offense with the same OC and HC over a number of years, but he’s not there yet.
@rocket
You don’t consider the 1 thing that JM had, that nobody from here on out will ever have.
He had an offensive system nobody else was running more or less, and the Niners kept their coaching staff. Therefore when teams played us, they didn’t play teams that ran our system 5-6 times before. You only saw our offense playing us.
They don’t see what we do every day, they aren’t use to it, advantage Niners. Add to that the great players and we were a force.
Won’t happen again. Coaching staffs/players move around quickly.
VD until the playoffs/end of the year was playing poorly dropping a lot of balls, going down easily. It is no shock that once VD stopped that, AS suddenly looked good when VD looked good.
VD is 1 player. JM had 2 good targets in the passing game (DC/FS). He needed both in that ’81 Title game. Had he only had 1, he loses. Like AS did.
Besides rocket, JM had 8 starts and 3 years (no fair either comparing years to games when AS missed about 2 years worth of games) to learn it in his head. AS didn’t. When JM went out there, he knew everything. To compare that part of the game to AS’s last year isn’t fair. About 1,000 days of prep (3 years more or less) vs. 120 days (4 months) isn’t fair. And JM was only shown how to do things 1 way. AS has had to learn/unlearn (new coach/system) every year practically till just now. That is a really hard thing to do, compared learning it 1 way.
@AES
Jamarcus Russell, and a ton more have no place else to go, and nobody wants them. AS has had a home here. Like it or not.
And still no real reply to “tainted standards”. It’s a fact. Milions of $ may have been spent. But regardless, all such information gathered from those standards are likely completely useless and you need to start over again.
And in the meantime 3 signings + 1 re-negotiation means something.
Yes DS, it does mean something, it means he’s our best option for now. When have I debated that?
But what does all this have to do with our original topic of trying to compare AS to JM?
In our original comments on the subject I don’t once remember denigrating AS. I merely stated that one good season does not put him in the JM conversation.
Your emotionally tied to AS because he was given a bad deck of cards. Hey, no problem DS, to each his/her own.
I’m not emotionally tied to any player because in football players come and go. I’m strickly going by stats and at the moment AS is a molehill looking up at Mt. Everest which is Joe Montana.
DS,
Actually Walsh started running his system when he was an assistant with the Bengals. People had seen it before. They also saw it while the Niners were losing 24 games his first two seasons as HC.
Believe whatever you want to believe. Montana was playing at a different level in year 3 of his career with 8 starts under his belt. I’m pulling for Alex and I hope he builds on last season, but I’m sorry; you cannot compare him to Montana. He’s got a long way to go to merit that kind of comparison.
Rocket
I know. That is why I said “more or less.” Since the Niners play in the NFC, we saw a lot more NFC teams (and those teams saw more NFC teams) than they did AFC teams.
True they can look at film. But they can look at film of any team. Playing the team (system) is another matter entirely.
And, who do you compare him to rocket? Nobody has come up with a single player who is remotely like AS. So, I compare him to the player I know best. That is JM. I watch the Niners. I don’t watch the other 31 teams nearly as closely. Even if I did, I don’t think any of their QB’s have remotely near the same story/life/experience as AS. So comparing him to say AR/TB/EM/Kolb/Ryan/Hasselbeck/etc. is just as futile. With the added bonus of not knowing any of them nearly as well as JM.
If you compare, you MUST compare to that which you know very well. JM I know very well.
Sam Bradford
rocket
You like to bring up the 8 game thing.
JM under competent coaching looked good after 8 games.
AS under competent coaching looked good getting the Niners to a 7-1 record after 8 games.
Both teams had great D’s. JM after those first 8, continued to grow and play better. AS after the first 8 games continued to grow and play better.
Perfect match…until 2 fumbles by the ST.
Why anyone but a Smither on ROIDS would compare AS to JM. This Smither on Roids knows nothing about QB’s. This Smither Roid believes that Dan Fouts and Dan Marino are not elite QB’s and they donot deserve to be in Canton. Comparing JM to DS is comparing a Palace to a dump in the ghetto. AS would even laugh at this Smither on Roids.
DS,
At this point in AS’s career he is barely in the same discussion as Jeff Garcia. Comparing him to Montana is to put it nicely, nonsense. You are trying to compare a guy who had one decent season to arguably the best QB that ever played, and they are so far apart it’s not even funny.
As AES said earlier, give it a rest for a few years. If Smith takes off and continues to play like last year and wins a Super Bowl or 2, then we’re talking. Until then it is as Rocket said, a complete waste of time.
DS94everXev says:
July 24, 2012 at 10:04 am
“Records are records, period. ”
“And AS has remained here despite all of it. Period.”
Maybe he would do well to repeat Richard Gere’ qoute in an “Officer And A Gentelman” when he said; “I got no where else to go” (lol)
DS, I say this with all sincerity; You are actually doing AS a big disservice when trying to compare him to the ‘great’ Joe Montana. No matter which formula or barameter you use, it doesn’t work. I like AS, but let’s wait until he puts together a few more good-great seasons and throw in at least one SB win before the JM comparisions have merit.
IMHO there is only one burning question for the 2012 Niner’s season.
Will Alex Smith continue to be the weak link of a great team or will he become at least good enough in his 2nd year in the system to actually help the offense .
We all hope it is the latter ! We will find out in a couple Months ! Good luck Alex !
Broken record still skipping the groove.
F… O.. TIM !
LOL. Tim’s act gets old in a hurry these days. One post and you’ve had enough.
@rocket:
I had enough months ago.
What makes it worse is that he feels the need to post the identical message on multiple 49ers-related websites.
@ Claude, FDM, Ribico
What’s wrong with what Tim said? He stated his opinion that Alex Smith is the weak link on the offense. This sentement/perception is on Alex to change. He needs to step up his game and play like an overall number 1 pick.
In other words, he needs to gradaute from game manager to game changer. There are no more excuses. He has the coaching staff, offensive weapons, same system 2 consecutive years, etc.
For some reason, however, I get the feeling that the next set of Alexcuses are being prepared :) Like a weak offensive line, WR’s not producing, Roman/JH implementing conservative game plans, etc.
@Nick:
“at least good enough in his 2nd year in the system to actually help the offense”
Blatently crap, even as an “opinion”. But it’s TIM, what do you expect?
>>For some reason, however, I get the feeling that the next set of Alexcuses are being prepared
Just as I hear the next round of Alex bashing. Not being prepared , already started – TIM and yourself have beaten us to the punch.
It was the defense/akers/running game/ that got us 14 wins, Alex was along for the ride/holding the team back, etc. etc.
I make no excuse for 14 wins, NFC championship, why do you make attacks for the same success?
@Nick,
There is nothing wrong with what TIM said. It is an opinion shared by analysts and experts across the country.
Claude telling him to F off is just further proof that he’s a chump.
Nick,
I don’t think it was the weak link part that Claude and Rib are referring to. I think it was this, at least it was for me:
or will he become at least good enough in his 2nd year in the system to actually help the offense
Even the most ardent Smith hater would have to label this comment as complete nonsense if they are being objective. To insinuate that the QB of a 14 win team didn’t help the offense is beyond the scope of ignorance.
I agree with some of the negative comments on Alex. He misses too many throws to open receivers, he needs to deliver the ball quicker at times, 3rd down and Redzone needs to improve. But a comment like this one Tim made is complete nonsense because not only is it not true, but it reinforces the negative and biased view Tim has had since seeing Smith throw with a bad shoulder on a Monday night in year 3. He and a bunch of other simple minded fans formed an opinion that night that they are unable to let go and continue to base opinions on a player who hasn’t existed for 4 years.
I couldn’t agree more with Claude and Ribico in regards to Tim. Same old crappy posts spewed all over the internet. Nothing interesting or truthful in them. Just a bunch of nonsense laid out in run on sentences.
@Nick:
TIM was trolling, like he always does. I responded accordingly.
From where I sit, it is not necessarily up to Alex to change perceptions. Last season demonstrated that some critics will never change their perceptions regardless of what he does. In my mind, it’s up to the “perceivers” to forget the largely irrelevant perceptions they formed during the Nolan-Singletary years and objectively observe what Smith did in 2011 in a competent offensive scheme (albeit under difficult circumstances) and what he does this year in his second year in that scheme. Take responsibility for your own perceptions.
I would be perfectly happy with another, appropriately improved game manager performance from Smith. He doesn’t need to be Aaron Rodgers for this team to win the Super Bowl.
As for budding “Alexcuses,” if you don’t think the offensive line has been a major problem for years, and has the potential to again be a big problem in 2012, then you haven’t been paying attention. LT and LG were the only positions on the line that played above average. The other three positions were below average, decidedly so in the passing game.
And although I have faith in Harbaugh, I have to go solely on faith because I have difficulty understanding the logic of, or seeing the promise in, (1) inserting Boone at RG, where his build is likely to get him stood up trying to block in the run game, when he has shown, in admittedly limited snaps, good pass protection skills at OT and (2) leaving Davis at RT, where he has real, demonstrated problems with pass blocking, even though he is a decent, beefy run blocker built for interior line play (which he showed playing guard his freshman year at Rutgers).
F… O.. Jack.
@ Claude
I agree with you regarding the o-line. I’m hoping for improvements there. However, I don’t think another game manager type performance from AS will get us a Super Bowl. Like Rocket stated, AS needs to improve on 3rd downs and red zone, needs to improve his field vision, and accuracy (to name a few). Once that happens, all will be happy in Ninerland because we’ll be celebrating the 6th Super Bowl title.
Tim, just shaking my head at you now.
Tim,
the protectors may get tired of hearing it, but it is the truth. And like Nick Row said, it’s up to Alex to change the league wide perception of him.
Time to see if he can go from game manager to game changer. I like that Nick! As an overall number one pick that now has an over abundance of weapons, the expectations will be very high. 2012 the death of the alexcuse. Sink or swim baby, sink or swim.
>>it’s up to Alex to change the league wide perception of him.
F the league-wide perception of him. Hey league, how about just worrying how to beat him and his team. Few teams did last year, fewer will this year.
All
Tim wrote what I’d expect him to write. He didn’t call names. He’s just wrong.
If you’re going to get bent out of shape about a post that didn’t attack another person here or call Alex “Alice” or some other BS, then you are what doing I’ve been saying. Taking this too seriously.
If this upsets you, get a clue. You and Tim don’t mesh and it’s best to not read his posts. Ask him politely to do the same and that will end it right there.
Done.
Regarding Tim’s comment, we’ve had our comment exchanges over the years, but he is a fan. His style is to talk out of both sides of his mouth with backhanded compliments. It was interesting how he changed the GC top 5 to add in AS with the comment above. Now if AS has a stellar year, Tim will act as a long time backhanded supporter. His way, but he is a 9er fan. lol
One last thought, it’s always been amusing to me how the blamers pull out the “Alexexcuse” term when the factual examples or reasons don’t digest mentally because they wish to dismiss the overriding facts.
Good to read you again Hofer! More of you around here would be a good thing. How many more days until that first preseason game : )
wow……..hoferfan finally notices the haters or has he calls them (blamers)……..
…..I think we better get Bay and Jordan back in here with the leash…….we already have one confirmed flip flopper on the blog….
I wish I could be a fairweather fan like all these haters. Ill take the wait and see and approach and when things go north I will vow I always believed. Then when things go south I will tell everyone “I told you so”, how convenient……
Well said Tim. And its the truth, BUT Ive got your answer already. HE WILL BALL LIKE NEVER BEFORE. Bet on that Timmy Boy. You watch Brotha.
I posted a somewhat negative article towards Alex Smith from Evan Silva yesterday, so now I will post a positive one from Eric Branch.
This backs up a point I’ve tried to make for awhile now, in that Smith has really been a different QB the past couple of years not just last season. In fact you can go back all the way to when he first came back from the second shoulder surgery and his numbers are pretty good. Even the Philly game that Eric references was an impressive performance with the exception of the fumble that set off the nutty crowd chants for David Carr.
http://blog.sfgate.com/49ers/2012/07/24/inside-the-numbers-alex-smith-peyton-manning/
Somebody needs to inform Eric that Tim says Alex doesn’t help the offense so he can stop wasting his time and throw this useless factual info in the garbage.
@rocket:
That doesn’t mean anything! Unless Alex Smith throws for enough yards to be be a good fantasy QB, he sucks at quarterbacking.
ribico says:
July 24, 2012 at 1:15 pm
>>For some reason, however, I get the feeling that the next set of Alexcuses are being prepared
Just as I hear the next round of Alex bashing. Not being prepared , already started – TIM and yourself have beaten us to the punch.
It was the defense/akers/running game/ that got us 14 wins, Alex was along for the ride/holding the team back, etc. etc.
I make no excuse for 14 wins, NFC championship, why do you make attacks for the same success?”
Ribico,
The reasons you stated were not excuses, they were facts. The defense did play a major role as did Akers and ST’. And yes, AS did his part by having his best season ever.
Except for a few here that have stated their dislike of AS, most here give AS credit for helping us to a great and unforgettable season.
But giving AS more credit than he deserves, and trying find ways to compare him to JM creates the conflict among the faithful.
Alex will always be having to prove himself if he tries to live up to JM, SY, and even Garcia. I wouldn’t want to put those kind of expectation on him. If AS locks up the QB position for the next 3-5 year, then let’s take a look at his career numbers and see if he has merit to be in the JM convo.
@AES
” I wouldn’t want to put those kind of expectation on him.”
AS is a pro player. Getting paid lots of mony to do things you and I did as children. If he does not expect greatness, we should dump him. As we should any other player. If DG and DW are scared to be compared to Lott, MC is scared to be compared to greatest ever, JR, then they are not worth their weight in coal.
AS does expect greatness. He shows up for work. He keeps at it. He doesn’t blame others for his own faults. Therefore, he expects it. I expect it.
DS:
“AS does expect greatness. He shows up for work. He keeps at it. He doesn’t blame others for his own faults. Therefore, he expects it. I expect it.”
For that matter every professional player should set their goals high. I don’t think I’ve heard one player ever say that I came into the league to be mediocre, have you?
I would be shocked if AS did not continue to push himself to improve. There’s no questioning his upstanding character. I certainly don’t have any issues with AS doing whatever it takes to push himself to the next level.
But I do find it completely asinine to compare any player with one good season under his belt to the legendary Joe Montana. No standard, barameter, or measurement remotely gives this thought any validity.
I would love AS to acheive greatness because it means we as 49er fans are winners. But to say to him that he must acheive what JM or SY did is to much for any player to bear.
Even JM’ own son’s who played/play in college aren’t put under such pressure.
Just not fair DS.
There are very few QB’ who have acheived greatness following the careers of legendary QB’ J.Elway, D.Marino, and even D.Fouts. Hey, even the dreaded raiders have not had a great QB since K.Stabler. Plunkett had a nice run (who BTW, can be compared to AS’ bad stroke of early mis-handling by lame coaching), but his success was short lived because he was already in the league for a while before coming to the raiders.
DS, I know your emotional attachment to AS knows no boundry, but to continue to compare him to JM hurts his image more than helps him.
AES, has Crabtree done anything to endear himself to fans? When I say endear I mean performance on the field, comments after games, comments after practice?
He was labelled as a diva coming out of college and for the most part has done very little to dispel that label.
Yes he has had injuries but not enough to say it has limited his performance in 4 years. I think the defenders of Alex would defend Crabtree just the same if the circumstances and adversity that Alex endured were the same for Crabtree.
Dont forget many Alex supporters were all over Vernon Davis during the Sing days and since then Vernon has done a lot to change fans perception of him. Performance and leadership combined!
You can’t say it’s the Alex supporters, it’s the entire fan base that needs to see Crabtree prove his worth, to date I think of one catch in Seattle last year, after that, it’s hard to come up with anything to say he is #1 WR picked 10th overall and paid accordingly.
AES
Hate to break it to you bud. But in pro sports, you are expected to win. And the idea is to win the title.
“I know your emotional attachment to AS knows no boundry, but to continue to compare him to JM hurts his image more than helps him.”
Well, please inform AS that he can forward his medical bills (including any psychological) he receives due to my comparing him to JM, and I will help pay for them. So, now that is settled, I will continue to expect greatness from my players on my team.
Guess what AES. AS isn’t hurt to be compared to JM. Only fans who lack full faith in their team are afraid of such comparisons. Any NFL player should be honored to be compared to a HOF player at their position. If that upsets, them, dump them.
AES, I defend good people. AS is a good person. If you make it more complicated than that, the world sucks. Go ahead and come up with your list of exceptions, and see the decay around you everyday. Have fun explaining why you don’t defend good. If AS turns out to be a bad person, guess what? I won’t defend him.
“But I do find it completely asinine to compare any player with one good season under his belt to the legendary Joe Montana. No standard, barameter, or measurement remotely gives this thought any validity.”
HELLO!! When have I compared the careers of AS to JM? I have said from the start that I am comparing AS 2011 to JM in 1981. If you mean to tell me you knew that JM will win 4 Super Bowls in 1981, I’ll call you a liar. You want me to include years of AS where his coach played him after injury, and his next coach is so skilled, the year he was hired after getting fired from here, he lost his job as a positions coach because his LB’s revolted against him and he didn’t show up to work. This compared to JM having the genius BW as his HC for nearly a decade. Yeah. Really fair there.
AS with one good year of having one good coach who understands QB’s (just as BW did) went 14-4 in a lockout year and if not for a fumble by a backup return guy, goes to the Super Bowl and likely beats the crap out of a 3-1 Super Bowl record TB sounds pretty good to me. JM was in the system for 2 whole seasons + offseasons before making his splash with the best HC in history.
@Prime
Since I wasn’t posting back when, I always felt VD was doing his best. He just wasn’t getting it. I remember reading a lot of articles about how VD would stay after practice and work on his hands. VD was a hard practice player. He worked hard in games. He just didn’t put it all together.
In addition, not once in those years where he just wasn’t doing what he knew he could and what many here thought he could did he attack AS/other players/coaches for his failing to live up to expectations.
Looking for differences in me in how I viewed VD vs. MC. Those 2 things are it.
@Prime
And yes. I was jumping up for joy after that Seattle catch. I was hoping it would be the pivotal game in MC’s career. Much like the Texans game in Houston was for VD when AS started the 2nd half and threw him 3 TD’s to nearly win the game was for VD to become an elite player.
Sucks to be wrong when you were hoping for good.
>>were not excuses, they were facts.
Moot point. So are the facts that haters blamers call excuses.
>>most here give AS credit for helping us to a great and unforgettable season.
Yes, most. It’s just when the usual suspects chime in with their nonsense, it raises my ire. I’ll try to keep under control ;)
>>Alex will always be having to prove himself if he tries to live up to JM, SY, and even Garcia.
Unless he’s been on record saying that is what he is trying to do, I have to beleive he is not trying to live up to anyone (fans on the other hand will always do that). He is going to have to succeed on his own terms. Going 14-3 with a competent team/coaching around him (the same as those who shall not be compared to had), indicates he is well on his way to that success.
Ribico,
The word haters is bandied around here quite a bit.
But the problem is that it only arises when AS’ name is mentioned.
Just a simple question if you care to answer; What do you call those who come on here to bash MC?
Ok, one more question; Why do you find it important to protect AS against the few so-called haters but make no effort to protect MC?
I always thought a true fan was a supporter of the entire.
AES,
Ribico is on record as not liking Crabtree. Seems to be a trait shared by Smith protectors.
>>Seems to be a trait shared by Smith protectors.
And also those who think idiotic holdouts should be backed up off-the-charts balling.
4 years ago Rib. Get over it…
AES,
>>What do you call those who come on here to bash MC?
MC Bashers? Hey, if you want to call them haters by all means, it’s not trademarked.
>>Why do you find it important to protect AS against the few so-called haters but make no effort to protect MC?
Again. MC colored my opinion of him with his assinine me-first behaviour coming into the team. I’m on record as stating that. Repeatedly.
Yes, that is water under the bridge.
Yes, I recognize he is a valuable member of team now.
Yes, I know coach and the front office give him props.
But for *me*, he still has to prove himself to remove that initial I’m getting mine-screw the team stance. He hasn’t yet. Does that clear things up for you?
>>4 years ago Rib. Get over it…
When MC gives me reason to, I will.
What would satisfy you?
Saving Christmas, Chanukah and New Years.
*entire TEAM*
Jack Hammer says:
July 25, 2012 at 4:35 pm
AES,
“Ribico is on record as not liking Crabtree. Seems to be a trait shared by Smith protectors.”
You may be right about that Hammer. Seems like a double-standard has been created by the ‘Alex only’ supporters. Protect AS at any cost, even if it means throwing another 49er under the bus.
What’s the theme here? It’s ok to be critical of the QB but not the WR or other players? Is it hypocritical? Yes!
Hofe,
If you can get both parties to agree to that, perhaps the great divide can begin to narrow the gap (lol).
It has defintely cut both ways around here.
No Hofer. It is that if you are going to come running to save one player you should do it for all of them.
Hey Schwetty, what’s up chump?
@Hack:
Not much. You’re back to trolling. Couldn’t resist for more than half a day, I see.
So it’s fine to bad mouth the QB for 6+ years, but when some are critical of the other players (WR) it is off limits? Can’t have it only one way then call it protecting because you disagree. It’s not protection, it’s opinion like everything else here. It’s fair game and every player is open to criticism. Debate the person that posts the comment but don’t make rules along the way especially after the precedent has been established by those who dislike the QB and have stated that openly here over the years.
I happen to believe both players will have outstanding career years in 2012.
Hack? C’mon Schwetty, you can do better than that can’t you? At least be original.
Was good to see you cut and paste some more statistics, I guess discussing the actual play on the field is too tough for you : )
@Hack:
Sorry, but somebody already cornered the market on cleverly quoting played out 15 year old SNL sketches, so I have to make do with descriptive nicknames.
I apologize for posting something that conveyed too much information and required you to think. I know thinking makes your brain hurt. And math is hard! Let me try to put it in terms you can understand: The secondary played good last year.
I promise, from now on, when my comments contain big words or lots of numbers, I will provide a translation, with lots of small words, and maybe some pictures, just for you.
Schwetty, At least come of with something original you chump. And my nickname for you is equally descriptive.
Your ability to look up useless stats is the best I have ever seen. If they had an All Star game for stat geeks you could be the captain.
Seriously, what was the point of your little exercise today? Did you really need to look at stats to realize that the secondary played well last year, but struggled to maintain their responsibilities when plays broke down and the opposing QB extended the play. Of course you did because you don’t have the ability to watch the game and make coherent observations otherwise. You’re a stat geek.
Now why don’t you run along and find another board that you can post your useless drivel about your o line concerns on. You have done it here and at least one other. Keep it up and we can start calling you TIM.
And as your comment about me “trolling”, welp since you responded I guess I hooked a catfish. Hey, there’s another descriptive nickname for you.
Jack,
Just watching the game can lead to subjective opinions. Stats back up what we think we saw. You can’t use them solely, but they are valuable when looking back on the season and trying to see where weakness’ may have been hiding that we didn’t see the first time around. Claude always posts factual info that gives insight into the performance of the team last season. For instance, I was watching a couple of games a few weeks ago and noticed the middle of the Oline seemed to be collapsing an awful lot. I posted that thought here and Claude posted a link that showed Goodwin and Snyder were among the worst at their respective postions in pass protection. Now that may seem obvious to you but during the season I don’t necessarily see that as closely as I can going back and reviewing. I know the RG position was a mess but it’s surprising that Goodwin was as bad as he was.
There’s nothing wrong with stats as long as you use them in the proper context. Personally, I like Claudes posts. They are informative and intelligent. We don’t get enough of that here.
Rocket,
“I know the RG position was a mess but it’s surprising that Goodwin was as bad as he was.”
Don’t you think that those two things go hand in hand? Same thing with Davis. With the hole at RG it forced them to help cover for that weak link. If Boone can solidify that spot I think you will see a major improvement in the play of Goodie and AD.
As for Claude, like I said, he is an All Star with stats, the best in the business.
@Jack:
I am sorry that I wasn’t original like you and ape something I heard on Saturday Night Live years ago.
And, wow, you completely missed the point of my comment on pass rush pressure. Nowhere did I say anything like “the secondary played well last year, but struggled to maintain their responsibilities when plays broke down and the opposing QB extended the play.”
First, the stats I linked to had nothing to do with plays breaking down or QBs extending plays. They focused on how well teams defended the pass when they got pressure on the opposing QB vs. how well they did when they did not get pressure. I am inspired that you can semi-function in society without the ability to understand what you read, but you may want to ease up on the condescension. It’s more than a little ironic and definitely annoying.
Moreover, if you actually understood what the numbers measured, you would see that, relative to the rest of the league, the 49ers were quite good at defending the pass on the plays where they did not pressure the QB, and that’s contrary to prevailing wisdom. I pretty much fed you that conclusion with a spoon, but you still managed to spill it all over the front of your shirt. We are going to have to get you a bib to go along with your helmet.
Finally, the guy who watched the tape of Michigan defending AJ Jenkins by consistently giving him 7-10 yard cushions and concluded that it proved Jenkins cannot get open against tight man coverage isn’t qualified to judge whether anyone else is capable of watching a game and making coherent observations.
As promised, a Jack translation of the foregoing:
Jack doesn’t know what “original” means. Too many sillabulls. Jack don’t read so good. 2+2
=5. Jack likes watching TV, but gets confused by what he sees.And, here’s a picture that made me think of you. It perfectly captures your online quintessence. You should make it your avatar:
http://www.whattofix.com/images/CranialRectalEntanglement.jpg
Thanks for playing, Corky.
@ Jack:
Goodwin’s numbers for the past three years are bad:
https://www.profootballfocus.com/blog/2012/07/14/three-years-of-pass-blocking-efficiency-centers/
He spent two of those years in New Orleans. I didn’t realize that Goodwin had to cover for weak links Jahri Evans and Carl Nicks. I thought they were Pro Bowlers. Or were Rachal and Snyder were so bad that they affected the performance of offensive lineman on other teams?
Maybe, if you took the time to learn the facts before jumping in to provide your expert opinion, you wouldn’t embarrass yourself so often.
@ Jack:
I don’t have time to translate my last comment for you, but here is a picture:
http://ohinternet.com/Doing_it_Wrong
Hey Sack,
Thanks for answering my question to Rocket.
I still believe that he will improve this year with the upgrade at the RG spot. As I said earlier to AES, last year is last year time to move forward. According to your stat geek friends the 49ers are also going to finish at 7-9 while many of the experts are looking at them as Super Bowl contenders. See what happens when you only pay attention to stats.
@ Jack:
Who only pays attention to stats? As rocket said, the stats are useful to verify if we really saw what we think we saw. They tend to cut through the subjectivity and can provide a solid test of one’s analysis.
If I had to guess, I’d say that you run screaming from stats for that very reason. You don’t want any reason to test or question your own subjective analysis. If you ignore the numbers, you don’t have to admit you are wrong. Every disagreement simply becomes a difference of opinion, and since you are the all-knowing expert, you are right and the other guy is wrong.
But, understand, that’s just in your mind. The rest of the world sees you as a condescending pr!ck who doesn’t know nearly as much as he thinks he does.
Allow me to provide two examples.
1. The 49ers give up too many sacks. It’s a real problem and has been for years. There are conflicting opinions in the on this blog and others as to who shoulders responsibility for all those sacks – some say the line, others say Alex Smith, some say it’s a combination. Each person can cite anecdotal examples that support his position, so each person is absolutely convinced he is correct.
FO’s has numbers on sack times that offer a way to cut through subjectivity. Their numbers show that the team gives up quick sacks (line’s fault) at a rate nearly twice the league average, and medium sacks at a rate above the league average. By contrast, it gives up long sacks (not line’s fault) at a rate slightly below the league average. All of which combines to suggest, strongly, that the offensive line is primarily responsible for the 49ers’ sack problem.
Your response when presented with those numbers? First, you misinterpreted them so say something they didn’t say. Then, when it was demonstrated to you what the numbers actually showed, your response essentially was, “I don’t care what the numbers say, I think Smith takes too many sacks that he shouldn’t.”
2. The exchange earlier today regarding Goodwin’s deficiency in pass protection. You refused to accept rocket’s analysis and dismissed the numbers supporting it on the theory that Goodwin’s poor ranking was due to him having to cover for Snyder. When I showed you that Goodwin’s pass protection numbers were bad in New Orleans where he played with two Pro Bowl guards, you stubbornly insisted that replacing Snyder with Boone would solve the problem and sneeringly dismissed “stat geeks.”
You are correct that one cannot solely rely on statistics, and that one must watch and understand the game to make any sense of those stats. But that doesn’t mean you should ignore them, and I don’t know how you justify ignoring relevant statistics, while simultaneously claiming to know what you are talking about.
Balls,
“regarding Goodwin’s deficiency in pass protection. You refused to accept rocket’s analysis”
No I didn’t, I asked him for his opinion and also gave him mine.
Regarding the quick sacks thing, I still do believe that he takes too many sacks. You’re stats were interesting, but as is often the case don’t tell the whole story. There are times that it appeared he could have gotten outside of the tackle box and thrown the ball away. I also put some of it on him to recognize that there may be pressure depending on the look pre snap from the defense and change the play accordingly.
I don’t mind the use of stats one bit. I don’t argue that they can be useful. I just find it funny how you consistenly use them as a crutch.
Now to you calling me a “a condescending pr!ck.” That’s funny. I am a tool, my last name says as much, just like your last name shows that you are a hairy sack. : )
Ribico is on record as not liking Crabtree. Seems to be a trait shared by Smith protectors
Oh really? Who exactly are we talking about?
Why bother paying attention to what individual commenters actually write and responding to their individual points when you can simply label them as a homogenous group and dismiss their opinions collectively?
That’s much easier, and it doesn’t require all that pesky thinking.
“for the record” I want Crabtree to be insanely good. Now that he might actually take part in a training camp, there is possibility of that. Actually, last year he “saved Christmas” according to our coach. Who is regularly accused of lying – a trait shared by haters. You know, protect their ego at all cost, even if it means throwing coach’s credibility under the bus.
But back to my point, how can you dislike someone who saves Christmas? That’s like hating Santa Claus.
Nice Ribico (lol)!
And the haters want Smith to be insanely good. What’s the difference?
“And the haters want Smith to be insanely good. What’s the difference?”
They do? Or do they want to be right?!! Some are just hedging their bet to say I told you so. Works both ways.
Well Hof, I guess we will find out this year right?
Jack, BTW – thanks for the kind words the last couple of days. Good to be back with my 9er brothers!
Hoferfan67 says:
July 25, 2012 at 5:39 pm
“So it’s fine to bad mouth the QB for 6+ years, but when some are critical of the other players (WR) it is off limits? Can’t have it only one way then call it protecting because you disagree. It’s not protection, it’s opinion like everything else here. It’s fair game and every player is open to criticism.”
Hofe, you are one of a handful of bloggers who have been fair over the years. I have always respected your well thought out posts. But you must agree that it cuts both ways. Posters who have bashed AS normally get a strong rebuke from the AS supporters. It cuts the same way for those who bash MC. It’s all fair game, no problem.
I only have a problem when one or two of the AS supporters blame MC for some of AS’ dropped passes, but make no mention of MC having to make some catches from AS that are not necessarily accurate. I agree with you, that you can’t have it both ways. If you have the answer on how to stop it, I’m certainly all in.
AES,
99% of the people that comment here are 9er fans and they support the team but it doesn’t mean they can’t question or be critical of plays, org, or the players. Regardless of what some have said, I’ve criticized AS on the live blog when he misses a pass that should be a slam dunk. I’ve also criticized MC for his demeanor and play. He’s coming around and his numbers were decent last year. Both should have increased productivity under JH and his playbook in their second year. Looking forward to it!
My point is that you can’t say it’s ok to be critical of one player and the others are off limits. Everything is fair game.
Now on to the positive…as Jack mentioned, the first preseason game is around the corner!
Hofe, we’re saying the same thing only in different words.
BTW, I’ve always advocated that it’s everyones right to critique/praise players. Just try to be fair about it.
Passionate fans like us will step out of line every now and then, but we should know when to pull back on the reins. Unless you love the drama (lol).
Well said Hofe. I think the criticism for both Smith and Crabs goes over the line. Whether you like them or not, they are 49ers. Unless they completey suck and are costing the team games, you support them imo. Both of these guys were key components in the Niners winning last year and hopefully both come out even better this season. We’ll need that to happen if we want to tie the Steelers at the top of the SB list.
@AES
1 difference between AS and MC that seperates the 2.
“Attitude”
But you don’t care about that or understand it, or why it matters to some.
So, you’ll never get it.
DS94everXev says:
July 25, 2012 at 6:34 pm
@AES
“1 difference between AS and MC that seperates the 2.“Attitude”
But you don’t care about that or understand it, or why it matters to some.
So, you’ll never get it.”
Well DS, I prefer to dwell on the similarities:
1. Both 49ers
2. Both 11-4 last season
3. Both had good seasons
4. Both 2012 Starter
5. Both spoken highly of by coaches and teammates
@AES
1 difference between AS and MC that seperates the 2.
“Attitude”
But you don’t care about that or understand it, or why it matters to some.
So, you’ll never get it.
I won’t defend somebody with a bad one. Regardless of who they play for.
But you defended Smith after bringing up Cams name for no reason at all. Since when has MC been a T.O and has ruined the locker room? You just dont like him because he didnt care for Smith before. And because he’s Black. Racist Rat!
LOL md, there’s a couple “R” words for you DS.
GC, that’s a comment we might want to delete, yikes!
Wow… that’s uncalled for MD. C’mon man; you’re better than that.
I do agree however that the primary reason Smithers dislike Crabs is because he was mean to the Precious. Not the only reason though – a top 10 draft pick that is only average is a real disappointment on any team.
DS:
“If loving MC is wrong, I don’t want to be right” (lol)!
C’mon DS, calm down bud…
DS just likes the white players, Justin Smith and Alex Smith. He is a hater of Michael Crabtree, the damn guy been hurt for 3 years, I think he will have a great year, someone once said he had the greatest hands that he ever saw.DS Black is beautiful baby !!!
Whenever the thread gets out of control the first ahole to throw gas on the fire is Neal. Low life!
And any time DS needs backup or Neal posts Primer is soon to follow.
C’mon Prime, try mixing in some football with your trash talk.
DS:
“But you don’t care about that or understand it, or why it matters to some.
So, you’ll never get it.”
So far, I don’t recall anyone saying that MC has been a cancer in the locker room. You condemn MC because according to you, he committed the unpardonable sin of slighting AS; well, I’m glad I don’t get it (in your world).
@AES
“If loving MC is wrong, I don’t want to be right” (lol)!”
When did I say that? Get the quote with person right at least will ya?
“So far, I don’t recall anyone saying that MC has been a cancer in the locker room.”
Correct, because they are all doing their job. They don’t insult their teammates! But the article in the paper I quoted to you on Thursday September 2, 2010 by both Tim K and Daniel Brown about the fight between VD and MC sure seems like MC isn’t the cure to cancer by any means.
But when AS was talking about getting everybody together to practice with one another as an important thing before MC’s second season, who was he talking about? VD? No. FG? No. JM? No.
Hmmm…who was the player who sat out all of TC and didn’t get that practice? I don’t know. Do you?
md
Your post about soccer players is all anybody needs to know:
“They aren’t men. They are foreigners”
Jack
I hope you die and go to hell.
LOL DS, You are the best! CRAZY as heck, but the best. Keep up the good work little buddy.
Prime Perv is addicted to me, he can’t stop looking for my posts, and responding in his childish ways. Prime Perv, not only is DS your roommate he is also your BFF. hahahaha
Jack
DS is giving you the cold shoulder, he is ignoring you, he, she or it is just so rude.
Neal, Are you ready for some football? I can’t wait for the games to start in a couple weeks.
Then we won’t have to listen to DS talking about how MC is a bully to AS and how he blew it by holding out 4 years ago, or Claude copying and pasting links to stats. It will be about watching the team that will be the 2012 World Champs come together.
Who’s this jack hammer guy?
@JHammer
“Claude copying and pasting links to stats”
Better a library on wheels than trolly wagons, that’s for sure. LOL
@ Jack,
I am ready for some football, can’t wait, no more DS trying to compare JM to AS, Prime Perv unhappy living in his Mom’s basement, baseball is not cutting it for me. Although I am going to miss a couple of games taking my talents to South Beach for 8 days mid to late August.. But will catch this site off and on to see what is happening.
I personally like the copy and paste approach. Its a valuable tool to use when someone says things and it comes back to haunt them.
Last year was great when everyone said Alex would lose the starters job in camp, couldnt win any games late when he had to throw multiple times, could not get us to the playoffs, would be benched mid season, would not get re-signed, man, I must have copied and pasted over a 100 quotes from the haters alone on Alex’s predictions.
FDM,
I agree with that. If you want a few good laughs go back to the live blog from the NO game. Even the most cynical Alex critics were going out of their minds. Funny stuff.
Fitzperv, take your time down in South Beach and don’t hurry back on the blog, you won’t be missed whatsoever low lifer!
Neal
Try not to be yourself. It would be a remarkable improvement.
Stop using me/referring to me because nobody in your life wants to be in your life.
Can you go a week without thinking of me?
DS must be the Dummy Convention Neal is going to and he’s the guest speaker on how to say and do all the wrong things.
I’m surprised Jack is not going cause wherever Neal is Jacks right there up his arse!
C’mon people keep it to football. This is when things go off the rails. Claims of racism and wishing people to die and go to Hell really don’t fit with 49er football imo.
@rocket, dont be general, look at the thread and call out the people who started it, thats how this crap gets eliminated.
@ Ninermd
Dude, imo the Race Card should only be played when it fits. I don’t think you have a shred against DS to play that. Yes, DS favors Alex and criticizes Michael, but that’s not nearly enough to go on. I also recall DS proposing a trade of P.Willy for Fitz (with extras thrown in), and that certainly doesn’t fit with your accusations.
Racism IS reprehensible and should be challenged, but false accusations ring hollow and delegitimize real complaints. The boy who cried “Wolf”.
I’m not the moderator here, I’m asking you for self restraint on that point. Perhaps attack the words/ideas rather than the commenter? And, Go Niners!
Football Primer, try talking football. : )
Jack I’ll talk football to you when you stop piggy backing all the drama you instigating pest!
Tag teaming with a low life like Neal says it all, the guy admitted his only purpose on this blog was to fight and you back him up, what does that say about you?
Primer,
I don’t care if you want to talk football with me or not. You have good takes when you stick to football, and they are interesting to read.
Prime Perv, you are the lowest form of life, you are a bottom dweller living in your Mommy’s basement, you are a free loader. DS I know it is tough for you, but stop responding to my posts. You scary biatch. I hope Prime Perv and DS have a nice happy life together. haha
@Neal, looks like someone has gotten under your skin? Prime Time is a guy who you want on your team, not playing against, reminds me of Courtland Finnegan? Guy knows how to fire you up!
FDM, Fitzperv is my little toy project, I can say anything and it will set off this hothead. He adores me and can’t let it go, just watch, he will say something about seeing me on cops, my Mom, DS and I best friends, he’s used everything comment in the book and it burns his a$$ he can’t hang with me.
Neal, stay down bro, and I will leave you alone!
Alex Smith will be “Working hard all year long” so I dont have to wear a crappy Bears jersey. Its true……He told me so. ;-)
Got a good laugh from that story md. Just imagine what was actually going through his head.
Probably something along the lines of … “best Niners showing in a decade, 14-3, NFC Championship, what is this guy going on about? (where is security?)”
DS94everXev says:
July 26, 2012 at 12:22 am
@AES
“If loving MC is wrong, I don’t want to be right” (lol)!”
When did I say that? Get the quote with person right at least will ya?
“So far, I don’t recall anyone saying that MC has been a cancer in the locker room.”
“Correct, because they are all doing their job. They don’t insult their teammates! But the article in the paper I quoted to you on Thursday September 2, 2010 by both Tim K and Daniel Brown about the fight between VD and MC sure seems like MC isn’t the cure to cancer by any means.
But when AS was talking about getting everybody together to practice with one another as an important thing before MC’s second season, who was he talking about? VD? No. FG? No. JM? No.
Hmmm…who was the player who sat out all of TC and didn’t get that practice? I don’t know. Do you?”
DS, the “if loving MC is wrong, I don’t want to be right” was my quote and response to your 6:34pm comments.
Also, who didn’t VD have a fight with during his first few years in TC (lol).
And since you rely on professional opinion to formulate your AS – JM comparisions, who on the pro level has made this comparision?
AES
I don’t get it. You are replying to me with your own quote from a previous post and you “” it. Oh well.
Look back at articles of 2010 pre-season and such. If VD got into fights with AS/FG/Morgan/ other offensive players now in regards to effort and not practicing, show me.
Until then, it was only MC. And judging by how 2010 started for MC, VD had a point.
Answer to your last question, I already told you.
1 I don’t rely on anybody elses comparisons. I simply stated truthfully that if you look at what actual QB’s say/think about AS it is so vastly different from most non-QB’s that something is missing from most other peoples opinion. If all doctors said one thing about a medical condition, and all accountants said something else (and there are a lot more accountants than doctors) whose opinion holds more water with you?
For me it is the doctors. Simple majority is not sufficient to overcome the opinions of those who know best. Therefore when it comes to QB’s I trust former QB’s (and especially HOF QB’s) over that of a fan who was at the same game.
And JM/Terry Bradshaw along with a number of QB’s just below HOF merits in many peoples views(K. Warner and Rich Gannon) say things that the haters dismiss.
2 I told you before if I am going to compare players, I need to know them. I know AS/JM.
DS94everXev says:
July 26, 2012 at 8:24 am
AES
“I don’t get it. You are replying to me with your own quote from a previous post and you “” it. Oh well.
Look back at articles of 2010 pre-season and such. If VD got into fights with AS/FG/Morgan/ other offensive players now in regards to effort and not practicing, show me.
Until then, it was only MC. And judging by how 2010 started for MC, VD had a point.”
DS (lol), I used quotations because it’s not my own original qoute (copyright law).
Regarding the VD/MC spat. VD and MC have put that well behind them. Why do you need to resurrect something that the players themselves buried?
MC will never do anything to please you. You have sworn him as your life-long enemy. But hey, I don’t think he will lose any sleep over your opinion of him.
DS, just keep nit-picking and finding reasons to hate MC. You seem to come up with new ones each day. It’s actually starting to add a little entertainment value (lol).
AES
Not paying attention are we. I said more than once that MC needs to defend his QB just as everybody defends him. I said MC needs to accept the blame for only 1 catch in the biggest game of his life.
But you ignore it and read only what you want.
AES,
There are too many things to be excited about to waste your time on this. Veterans report today, pads go on Sunday and before we know it we will be in the middle of a championship run.
Leave the wallowing in the past to those that can’t get over it.
Let’s just say that there’s no better defense than making some pretty good catches on more then a few inaccurate passes.
And catching one out of give inaccurate throws really is not all bad.
Oh and since i haven’t given up on MC, I will state that he yet to play the biggest game of his life.
*five