The 49ers cut 12 players yesterday and they will cut 22 more on Friday, trimming their roster down to 53 guys. After watching them all preseason, this is my best prediction for who those 53 guys will be.
QB: Alex Smith, Colin Kaepernick, Scott Tolzien
OL: Joe Staley, Mike Iupati, Jonathan Goodwin, Alex Boone, Anthony Davis, Leonard Davis, Daniel Kilgore, Joe Looney
RB: Frank Gore, Kendall Hunter, Brandon Jacobs, Anthony Dixon, Rock Cartwright, LaMichael James, Bruce Miller
WR: Michael Crabtree, Randy Moss, Mario Manningham, Kyle Williams, Ted Ginn Jr., A.J. Jenkins
TE: Vernon Davis, Delanie Walker, Konrad Reuland
DL: Justin Smith, Ray McDonald, Isaac Sopoaga, Ricky Jean Francois, Will Tukuafu, Ian Williams, Demarcus Dobbs
OLB: Aldon Smith, Ahmad Brooks, Parys Haralson
ILB: Patrick Willis, NaVorro Bowman, Larry Grant, Tavares Gooden
CB: Carlos Rogers, Tarell Brown, Chris Culliver, Perrish Cox, Tramaine Brock
S: Dashon Goldson, Donte Whitner, C.J. Spillman, Trenton Robinson
K: David Akers
P: Andy Lee
LS: Brian Jennings
These are the people who I do not think will make the 53-man roster: Josh Johnson, Kenny Rowe, Ilaika Alama-Francis, Garrett Celek, Kyle Nelson, Michael Wilhoite, Chris Owusu, Nathan Palmer, Joe Holland, Cam Johnson, Tony Jerrod-Eddie, Kenny Wiggins, Derek Hall, Michael Person, Al Netter, Brett Swain, Michael Thomas, Darcel McBath, Eric Bakhtiari, Chase Beeler, Anthony Mosley and Colin Jones.
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Grant
And you’ll have a practice squad list tomorrow?
Yes.
Grant, Don’t let 23jordan hear you say that his home boy J johnson, is not making the team..
I like Josh Johnson and I think he will become a starter one day. He can do it all, he just needs proper development.
yeah for the local flag football team in oaktown….he is done……
No, he has a bright future in the NFL.
Josh Johnson not only won’t be a starter imo he may not make another team if he gets cut here. He had no interest in FA other than from the Skins and 9ers, signed for peanuts and was let go by a team who replaced him with Dan Orlovsky. He is a talented guy but any chance he had to be anything more than a fringe NFL player left the station a long time ago.
I bet you a nickel Josh Johnson is on an NFL roster this season and starter one day.
He’d be the best quarterback on the Cardinals right now, and the second-best quarterback on the Raiders.
Are you sure you want to go down this road again Grant? Your record against me hasn’t been too good. How’s your man Hill doing in NY anyway?
I’ve got my nickel ready. Ante up!
Well Grant, the Houstons 3rd QB not only started several gams last year, we managed to win a few. Including a playoff game. Something the starter never has managed to do.
So, there is a sliver of reason to believe your bet.
49erman,
JH was not happy with the overthrows from Josh. However, I believe that Josh is the more NFL ready player now. We’ll see what happens. I’m a Niner diehard 1st. If you can’t make the team, see you later pal. Josh had a chance, we’ll see if those 2 overthrows killed his chances to be a Niner. He will be on someone elses roster if not this one. He still has a chance. A small one.
Grant
You would be the best QB on the Raiders right now.
Why thank you.
Ok Grant, your on, although I’m not completely convinced he’ll be released by the Niners.
We both keep our nickels if he makes the team, deal?
That should say “you’re”. Now I’m doing what I ridicule others for.
Deal.
Ill raise Grants nickel and say he is a Cardinal this season if cut.
This is a good bet to take. If Buffalo is willing to trade for Jackson and get rid of Vince Young, which is splitting hairs on an upside down cake of crap, then Josh can find a home.
He’s not far off, but after roughly 6 years in the game, he’s behind most of the new talent. He can be someone’s Steve Bono.
Cardinals / Jaguars/ Baltimore/ TB (Freeman has to show his old self or else) and JJ already knows the system there.
We sure have a harsh judgement of Josh here. He’s had bad coaching, different coordinators, bad receivers, bad offensive line – I mean, come on guys, give him a chance. Next year is his 7th in the league; he might become average!
The problem with Josh Johnson is that he cn’t hit the broadside of a barn. This preseason he looked just like he did last year during the season, when he came off the bench. At this point, after 7 seasons, if you can’t hit the broadside of a barn you won’t start anywhere at anytime in the future. More developement is not going to help you. It is too late.
MSC, he had the same coordinator for 3 years before coming to the 9ers.
Rocket,
It’s not like you not to do your research. Josh Johnson was not replaced. He elected not to resign with Tampa Bay because he wanted to sign with a team that would give him a chance to compete for a starting job. He also turned down an opportunity to sign with washington to compete with Rex Frossnan for the Redskins backup job. Instead he chose yo come here. This system is a bit different than he he anticipated so it took him a little longer to pick it up. Just needs more time in it. Josh no longer wanted the backup job in Tampa. They did not sign the other guy until Jodh informed them of his decision to look elsewhere. Check your facts before you post like you normally do.
Dennis,
You obviously know nothing about Josh Johnson. This blog isn’t the best place to guess. Someone like
E will call you on it. He’s been more accurate this preseason than both of the other backups and he’s actually thrown the ball down the field, not sideways like everyone else. Have you even seen the preseason games? If not, watch the game Thursday and you’ll get a chance to see what Josh has. Your comment has nothing to support it. You’re just talking so you can be a part of the conversation.
23,
Wait a minute. You give JJ a pass and cite a new system that might be more complicated than most with an individual needing more time to develop in as an excuse, but when people use the same point with Smith you discredit it. Talk about hypocritical.
23welcher how clueless are you? You say JJ left TB so that he would have an opportunity to be a starter and he chose SF to do it? In case you have not noticed he is battling for a roster spot or maybe if you can see the writing on the wall, he might be lookin for a job outside of football?
Now I know your not the brightest guy but c’mon on, now your looking like you need serious medical attention!
23 j welcher vato is a troll….yesterday he said that when jj talked to baalkee abut comin to sf, baalke told him that they already had a starter and he could compete for a chance at the 2 spot…now he says jj left tb to come to a spot to compete for a no.1 job…which one is it 23…you cant keep track of your own lies…
Jordan,
You know something’s wrong when sledpunch is telling you that your QB takes are off.
2 weeks fellas. Then we all get a chance to see what we have in a QB. This year is make or break for the unwanted Alex. We will find out what he can do against the best in the league. 183 yards a game is not gonna cut it. If we’re winning those games. It will be behind our special teams , defense, and turnovers.
Too bad you Smithers cant play for him. He’s gotta do that himself. 2 weeks. I can’t wait.
JDilla, especially since Jordan claimed that JJ “knew” the system from his previous work with Harbaugh.
But come on, guys. Lets not be too hard on JJ – he’s a pretty good player just caught up in the numbers game. And *if* he is cut, remember once a 49er, always a 49er*
*does not apply to Jim Druckenmiller
@Jack:
You know something’s wrong when sledpunch is telling you that your QB takes are off.
Actually, that’s when I know I’m right. Sled is still waving the Nate Davis banner.
23, I have watched JJ play in Tampa and in the preseason. He looked the same to me. He missed the same throws in Tampa as he has missed this preseason. He cannot hit the broadside of a barn. You wanting it to be otherwise does not make it so.
I specifically watched him play in Tampa Bay games last season because you, at the time, highly recommended him to start for the 49ers. He was terrible then and still is. He can’t make easy throws. There is much more upside with Tolzien.
We are talking about our possible 3rd string QB or possibly a roster cut because some idiot welcher/troll has decided to flood he blog with his repeated trash.
I’ll give him credit though, nobody trolls like him and nobody sounds as pathetic. Great job 23welcher, keep up the bad work!
@23welcher:
What’s with all the Joshtifications for JJ’s inability to rise above third on the depth chart?
@ all other commenters: Sorry, I could not resist.
Dennis the scout.
What easy throws has he missed in this preseason? What age did you see last year? You’re a liar and I saw him play last season and he plated well. Their entire defense was hurt last year and that’s why TB was so bad. Not to mention Freeman couldnt hit the broad side of a barn. You got your players mixed up son. Either that or you’re a liar.
23,
No mistakes, Freeman was hurt and didn’t play. Johnson played and stunk the place out. He sucks at the professional level and that is not lie. No need to make it personal. It’s is not my fault he isn’t very good. We will find out Friday when the cuts are made. I don’t think he is going to make the roster, but if he does – he won’t be starting and he won’t be the back up. And that is the truth so deal with it. But calling me a liar is not going to change the facts. After 6 years in the league he is no Alex Smith or Josh Freeman. Hell, he is no Colin Kaepernick
23welcher, you act like Johnson has been wronged his entire career. He has been in the league 5 years, yes under Freeman, but he started some games and was average if that. Your acting like he should be an NFL starter. He got his chance to compete here in SF, in a system he knows all too well according to you, and now he is fighting for a roster spot, let alone a starters job. Add the fact no other NFL team made him an offer to go and compete for a starters job, why are you making him look like a great QB?
For every excuse you give Johnson, you have to also consider, he had his chance and did not capitilize. He got bad advice coming to SF. No way the Niners were giving up on Kap, and when your starter wins 13 games, a playoff game and two fumbles from a SB, what made he think he could start in SF?
Seriously 23, its time to swallow your pride and admit you were wrong.
So Dennis, which game did you allegedly see last year when Freeman was hurt and josh stunk. Let me help you out liar. The one game he started and played was against Carolina. He threw for 250 yards and a long touchdown. He threw a pick that was deflected by the receiver into the air. He had a good day but tamas defense was decimated by injuries and they couldn’t stop cam newton. You never saw the game because if you had, you know josh had a good game. Don’t allow your racism to cloud your judgement. Try to learn to be colorblind. Josh will outplay Tolzein again today like he has in 2 of the other 3 preseason games and we will see what happens. Either way, I’m a Niner fan, not a fan of a player. Go Niners. May the best man win.
You uninformed Niner fans that can’t judge a player truly by his stats are useless. Keep it real or stay off of the computer. Any more fabrications? Support your “he stunk” assertion with numbers. If not, please turn the computer off.
23welcher, every game he played in they lost last year. You can blame the defense all you want but wins are what matters most. That’s the NFL way to measure success. Not QB rating, yards, completions, WINS!
So moving forward if JJ gets cut, what will be the excuses:
He is black.
Never got enough reps.
Tolzien is younger
Alex is no good
WR’s and Oline never helped him out.
I just can’t wait o hear your other excuses!
@Prime:
They’re not excuses. They’re Joshtifications.
Prime/claude
You know I agree with your basic assessments.
But expecting 23welcher to hold his word and admit wrong doing? Really?
I just don’t see that happening at all. So, why bother asking?
>>Don’t allow your racism to cloud your judgement.
Oh! that must be it! *slaps fohead* Of course! every marginal player cut from the roster is due to their skin color. Damn whities Harbaugh and Balke didn’t see JJ’s potential becuase they were too busy attending klan rallies.
Claude, when in doubt, use the race card, how convenient!
@DS:
Don’t worry, I am fully aware of the welcher’s lack of character, untrustworthiness, and hypocrisy. I don’t expect him to act honorably. He is what he is.
It doesn’t mean, however, that I won’t call him on it. He deserves it.
Regarding your agreement with my ” basic assessment,” I am not sure what assessment you refer to. I have tried not to offer any assessment on Josh Johnson because I haven’t’ seen him play enough. Whether or not he makes the team, Harbaugh clearly has faith in Johnson, and I have no reason to doubt Harbaugh’s judgment.
@ ribico:
You have to admit that it is suspicious. Smith is white, and he is the unquestioned No. 1 QB. Kaepernick is half white, half black, and he is the No. 2 QB. Johnson, who is black, can do no better than battle for the No. 3 spot.
Those decisions are clearly race-based. There’s no other explanation.
@claude
” basic assessment,”
Refers to your assessment of 23welcher. Not JJ. I’m in the same boat as you in that regard. Know very little. But between what I’ve seen of JJ and ST, ST is better in my view.
Well based on the haters assessment, the organization bases all their personnel decision on race and ethnicity.
The coaches lie in each and everyone of their press conferences reagarding free agents and current players on the roster.
And now they might cut Moss because they are afraid he will go public about Alex not being able to get him the ball deep and do not want to deal with a backlash of fans booing Alex.
The 49ers organization is corrupt and needs an immediate invesitgation from the CIA or FBI.
@DS:
Got it. Thanks for the clarification.
Jordan,
I remember reading an article from the Tampa Times or another local paper that said both parties were ready to move on. Whatever the case, there was little interest in JJ around the league. He had two suitors: The Niners and the Skins. He was signed to a contract barely more than the vet minimum and has been fighting for the 3rd QB spot on the roster. I have no doubt JJ wanted to go somewhere an fight for a starting job, but both places he visited, along with the team he ultimately signed with, did not offer him that opportunity. This was a guy with few options, and if he is cut by the Niners, I’m not sure he has any left. I’m not convinced he will be cut just yet, but he’s on the bubble.
My bet with Grant is not based on JJ signing with another team. It is based on him signing and eventually becoming a starter which is what Grant predicted. I can see JJ possibly latching on as some teams 3rd guy. I just see no way that he becomes anything more than a journeyman fringe NFL player if he is cut by Harbaugh is all.
To All,
Sorry for posting this again, but I cannot, and will not allow Jordan to either mistakenly [I'm giving him a huge benefit of a doubt, here] or, worse, lie about my paying off a bet he alleges we made. He’s never produced the thread where we made this supposed bet.
Jordan,
You are a fool’s idea of a fool.
First off, I don’t believe I agreed to the bet you think we did. I’m pretty sure we bet on whether or not the 49ers would beat the Steelers [I took the 49ers]. Unfortunately, I couldn’t prove that [I asked you to produce the post in which I agreed to the bet you claim i did, you've never come up with it. I couldn't find where we made the bet you claim we made, either]. Since I couldn’t be 100% sure I didn’t make the bet you claim we made [I am 99.99% sure that you're misremembering, or worse], I “paid off”, and stayed away for a week [9 or 10 days, actually].
Besides that, I’ve been away from the blog for more than a week several times since the bet you allege we made.
So, please don’t try to use non-payment for a bet that was almost certainly never made, which was paid anyway, as an excuse. It’s beneath even you. At least, I think it is, probably.
While we’re on the subject of paying off, can you explain how you’re still posting on the blog? As has been well documented, you promised you would leave the blog if Smith was the starting QB this year, right?
23Jordan
Here are the facts about Josh Johnson’s season last year in Tampa:
He played in 9 games and for the year:
He had a QB rating of 57.7
He had a completion percentage of 54.2
He threw for 5 TD’s and 10 Int’s
Now, I don’t care if he is black, green, yellow or white. In any color, this guy is not very good.
Accusing me of racism, telling me I don’t know what I see and suggesting that I am a liar is not going to obscure the facts. So just deal with it and stop the name calling. It is not making you look very smart and it certainly isn’t turning Josh Johnson into a better QB.
@Grant: Correction: JJ would be the BEST QB on the Raiders roster. Both Palmer and Lienart are garbage. Palmer has been overrated for a long time. I’m glad he’s finally being exposed. If JJ is cut, the Raiders would be a perfect fit. Cut Palmer.
http://www.nfl.com/videos/oakland-raiders
But hold on. This is what I think may happen. Harbaugh may end up keeping JJ because he already knows what he can do from the USD days. That might also be the reason why JJ has gotten limited reps all camp. Just a theory. Grant, you were out there. You think I might onto something?
Dennis,
Gotta get that computer away from you. You spoke about last year playing in 9 games. Those are career stats you gave me son. He started one game last year . He played in a couple of others.
Exgofer,
These clOwns would’ve told you if I bet against the Niners when they played the steelers. If I knew how to post what the bet was, I’d do it. Ask cut and paste Claude to do it. He’s the best up here at it. Adam 707 made the same bet. He lost and stayed off the blog. You caught a case of abnesia!!
23Jordan
You mean 9 games in 6 years? Wow, that’s worse than I thought? I understand now why you were calling me all those names – you haven’t a clue as to what you are talking about. I just thought he was going through a rough patch. This guy is real bad. How can you stick up for him?
Jordan,
No amnesia here, you incredible dolt. If, and I do mean if, I agreed to the bet, it was a result of me not paying close enough attention to your blather. It’s the equivalent of misclicking a button in online poker and folding the nuts by mistake. I may have said I agree to the bet, assuming you were talking about my terms, not yours. Still not proven by you, but OK, I paid up anyway.
Why don’t you pay up, and leave the blog?
I think colín jones makes the team and rock doesn’t.
The way CJones played ST last year (and with his speed) I see him as more of a ST standout and candidate to stay on the roster over RC.
I went with RC over CJOnes because Cartwright is a better running back than Jones is a safety.
GC, you have to follow me here…youth, youth, and youth. LOL
I would have given CJones the nod if he had shown one good moment at safety this offseason, but he didn’t. He has poor instincts and poor hands. Cartwright is a special teams stud and a pretty good running back. We’ll see.
Brilliant thinking going with the 7 RB’s and 3 OLB’s. That makes perfect sense ST’s wise and covers them if Jacobs is down for the first week or two.
Kicking myself for not thinking of that first : )
Thanks, Jack. The idea came to me this morning.
All the trashed talking by @3jordan his boy Josh Johnson gonna be the 49er starter, comes the begining of the 2012 season..lol !
49erman,
What’s your deal?? Never got a chance to win the Job. Harbaugh spent too much time kissing Alex Smiths behind and repairing his feelings from the Manning fiasco to evaluate Josh fairly. Smith got the job handed to him like he has his entire career. You guys never look at facts. Mesmerized by blue eyes Alex. Where will you go next year? He won’t last this season. His ceiling is in the top of his helmet. Can’t wait until this season starts. Se old Smith won’t be good enough this year.
Jordan: A bunch of slanderous nonsense regarding the Harbaugh / Smith relationship. Then:
“You guys never look at facts.”
Pure undistilled Jordanism, I love it!
This continuing debate about QB was more entertaining last year and an NFC West championship ago.
Jordan,
Sorry for posting this again, but I cannot, and will not allow Jordan to either mistakenly [I'm giving him a huge benefit of a doubt, here] or, worse, lie about my paying off a bet he alleges we made. He’s never produced the thread where we made this supposed bet.
You are a fool’s idea of a fool.
First off, I don’t believe I agreed to the bet you think we did. I’m pretty sure we bet on whether or not the 49ers would beat the Steelers [I took the 49ers]. Unfortunately, I couldn’t prove that [I asked you to produce the post in which I agreed to the bet you claim i did, you've never come up with it. I couldn't find where we made the bet you claim we made, either]. Since I couldn’t be 100% sure I didn’t make the bet you claim we made [I am 99.99% sure that you're misremembering, or worse], I “paid off”, and stayed away for a week [9 or 10 days, actually].
Besides that, I’ve been away from the blog for more than a week several times since the bet you allege we made.
So, please don’t try to use non-payment for a bet that was almost certainly never made, which was paid anyway, as an excuse. It’s beneath even you. At least, I think it is, probably.
@exgolfer:
I don’t think you have anything to worry about. jordan lost credibility a long time ago. No one is going believe anything he says on the subject.
This is what he does, he lies, says and predicts things and then lies some more. Constantly brings up Alex on non-related issues and criticizes relentlessly.
Dude is a troll, no way any Niner fan can repeatedly hate that much. He thinks he is messing with us, really he is our entertainment, you know, like a clown!
Thanks, he really got under my skin for a minute.
Claude,
That was a great analysis of the QB’s shading, relative to their position on the depth cart, but how do you explain Tolzein’s languishing at the bottom? Is he a civil rights activist?
@exgolfer:
how do you explain Tolzein’s languishing at the bottom?
Everyone knows that Serbs are filthy degenerates.
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Unfortunately, because some people on this blog are not too bright, I feel like I need to expressly state that the foregoing is a joke, even though that should be obvious from the over-the-top nature of the comment. I bear no ill will towards Serbian people and do not believe they are less worthy than other nationalities. I also have no idea whether Scott Tolzien is of Serbian decent.
Political Correctness has ruined the ability to tell a joke. So sad.
*of Serbian descent
Man, that is just embarrassing. I swear I hit the “s” key. Really, I did.
Nice list Grant. I think the team will carry four OLBs though and, unless he really impresses, Dixon will be gone.
If you were paying attention today, Baalke and Roman both said in separate Radio interviews that Dixon has all but earned a spot on this team.
Mike, I don’t have the capability to get those radio interviews. One in a blue moon I can listen to something from the Niners website, but other than that, no dice.
And Pete Carol said that TO was an outstanding receiver and “terriffic for the seahawks”. He was cut. I think there is a misconception that because it was said on the radio, it is now prophetic. There isn’t a team in any professional sport that goes on to the radio and gives the inside information about their team’s future plans or personel transactions.
I take that back, the Jets do, but there isn’t another team :)
yeah – no worries. I actually heard 2nd hand from all the 49ers beat reporters on twitter. I recommend following them on twitter for these type of nuggets.
Chris – Unless Baalke is working on a trade before the cut-down date (Which the more I think about it could be exactly the case) I don’t see why both Roman and Baalke would say in interviews today that Dixon is going to be a 49er this year.
I don’t like the idea of only 3 OLB but I can’t see a guy at that position who has really made a case for the 53 man roster. Bakhtiari’s concussion history isn’t good and Alama-Francis isn’t much better than a street free agent. Maybe a guy from other team’s cuts?
Seven running backs and only eight OL seems a bit unbalanced to me especially considering Harbaugh’s love of the jumbo packages.
btw Grant – the CSN camera is live for about 30 minutes before the pressers. You need a shave. :-D
You caught me. Can you hear what we’re saying, too?
Can’t really hear. It’s funny to watch the beat writers meander in though.
I’m a big meanderer.
Maiocco knew the camera was live. He turned and smiled. You should give him an elbow for not warning you.
I should and I will.
Cam Johnson?
Will you wear your hat?
Now that I know I’m on candid camera I’ll make it interesting.
8 O lineman actually works as you stash an additional 2 on your Practice Squad and they can be elevated anytime do to injury. We would only dress 7 for games.
I think Al Netter will make the practice squad.
I guess I’m just used to 9 being the magic number for offensive line. With the backups being inexperienced or limited 8 seems risky.
Grant, good list. I still feel there will be a different group at RB, TE (and Safety – CJ). The 9ers may even pick up a player off of another teams cuts (CB?).
I think Dixon and Ginn are out and Bakhtiari and Owusu will be kept We are STACKED both at WR & RB and can afford to build toward the future here and those two definatly have the talent… We also need more depth at OLB and KR/PR with Ginn getting hurt all the time. My reason to release Ginn is NOT because of play but because his constant injury problems hold up a starting position on Sundays.
Wow Erik, I had the same thought when I read the list. I want to take it one step further and ask if Randy Moss really makes the team. Season tickets are sold now. The team showed he wasn’t on the same page as Smith, and basically they got to test drive with all the benefits and no cost. I think Randy Moss fulfilled his need on this team and now he will be let go to, as you said, make room for the future at WR.
Dixon, Ginn, and Rueland will make the team. Also, they’ll try to sneak Owusu and NaPalm onto the P Squad.
Nick
You think they will use up 2 out of 8 PS positions with a WR even with the 6 on the roster?
I kind of hope ur right cuz I dont want to have to chose beteween CO and Napalm but fear that they might only keep 1 WR and fortify another position M.Thomas or Nelms perhaps?
BOS49er
They may end up with one WR on the P Squad. Keep in mind that both Owusu and Palmer will have an option to sign elsewhere – especially on a team with less depth at WR. There’s a good chance that at least one of them signs with another team.
I don’t see Niners keeping Reuland but cutting Owusu- not cuz both are Farm products but cuz Owusu is multi-functional and thus a more valuable player, though I guess Reuland could block…
Owusu is as fast or faster than AJ, and probably had a better camp. If egos and spending far too many millions on a skinny kid weren’t in the way, Owusu would be ahead of AJ. Speaking of egos, keeping that kid K Williams, instead of cutting him out right is nice, but last week he was again making bad decisions when fielding the ball. Cut him and give Owusu the spot. (As for earlier question about s hill, he is leading his team in receptions, is a beast, and we’ll be regretting not getting him for years.)
@Mark
I completely agree with you regarding Owusu and giving him a shot over K. Williams. Regarding Stephen Hill, we’ll be regretting not taking him. Let’s not forget other WRs that Baalke passed up: Rueben Randle, Mohamed Sanu, Marvin Jones, Brian Quick, Alshon Jeffery, Ryan Broyles, T.J. Graham, and T.Y. Hilton (Grant’s dark horse pick).
Grant, I agree with your list but don’t kmow if Rock Cartwright will survive if a decent OLB come along on the waiver wire. I hope Chris Owusu makes it to the practice squad but I wonder.
Grant,
How can the Niners keep that many RBs? Obviously Cartwright/Dixon are special teamers – but how do you get touches to Gore, Jacobs, Hunter and James?
I don’t think James will suit up.
He’ll never party with Barney then.
Grant – What record do you expect out of Mora’s Bruins this year?
I think they’ll win eight games.
I think we would have to consider that a good year, for year one!
There’s no way UCLA is winning 8 games this year
UCLA winning 8 games. Did you dip into the wine cellar Grant?
It’s the only team I root for – I’m allowed to have high hopes.
Looking at their schedule I see 6, maybe 7 wins this year, I think they will start improving with Mora now at the helm.
It’ll be tough, but Mora will have them playing better than Neuheisel ever did in a pretty short period of time imo. Lots of new Coaches in the PAC 12 this year it’s going to be interesting to say the least.
Rocket,
Skippy was pretty bad, but do you think Jim “I’m Not Going to Answer That Question” Mora is going to be much better?
…….but why do you think…..
exgolfer,
Mora is a solid Coach on the fundamentals. UCLA will improve simply due to having more discipline. 8 wins is a fantasy but they will be better because…well they couldn’t possibly be any worse.
Not a bad start for Hundley’s career.
What a run – he looked like a slightly slower Kaepernick on that play.
Rocket,
He was an abject failure in the pros, but maybe he’s better suited to college.
He’s also a jerk. Of course, that has nothing to do with being a good, or bad, coach. It just makes him hard to root for.
They will have a better defense because Mora is a good defensive coordinator. As far as a head coach, he is two for two in failings.
Grant from what i have read most special teams coaches get to pick 2 or 3 guys they want to keep before any cuts are made. i have heard that when harbaugh brought in brad seeley he promised him at least 5 players. have you heard anything like that. that might make for a couple of surprise keepers if its true.
I’d be surprised if 7 RBs are kept – even if 1 of those guys is really solely a ST player. Despite all the positivity about Dixon, I reckon he still gets cut.
I was wondering why he got so many touches on Sunday…especially for a guy who many of us thought was on his way out. Looked pretty good on a couple of runs, but then again, that was against 2nd and 3rd stringers. Gonna be interesting…
After further review…
I’d guess Dixon got all those opportunities in Sunday’s game because his good showing makes him a better trade possibility…and a trade’s better than a cut (duh!). Best of luck, Mr. Dixon.
I say Scott Tolzien goes back to the practice squad so the 49ers can keep 4 qb’s, I don’t see Harbaugh letting Josh Johnson go.
Tolzien will be gone faster than a hooker in Tijuana on nickel night. No chance he even makes the PS at all.
Sounds like you know a thing or two about hookers in Tijuana on nickel night.
I guess I’m going to have to start paying more attention to CG’s comments.
CG – Hilarious!
I doubt Tolzien would clear waivers.
I know AZ wants him.
Arizona, Jacksonville, Buffalo, and New York Jets definitely. Maybe Miami, Cleveland, Oakland, Kansas City, Tampa Bay, Minnesota, and St. Louis too.
I agree. History of the relationship, experience and over-all talent leans towards Johnson. If Alex goes down, they need an experience back-up behind Keap to provide stability. Tolzien may or may not make it to the practice squad and if another team picks him up they will have a nice 3rd string QB.
Give it up ! lol !
If JJ is a stable backup, he never showed it here. And he produced horribly in Tampa. That is why they let him go. The only people who think JJ are stable are the ones who are invested in him.
He has some talent. All NFL players must. But ST has played a lot better with a lot less experience behind his belt than JJ has.
Wrong, Scott Tozien is an NFL ready qb..Do your homework buddy, don’t used your imagination…lol !
Where have you been ?
Tolzein did not outplay JJ in the preseason so far. If JJ had hit those 2 deep balls, this conversation would be moot.
BS throws crap up against the wall like a female in divorce court, just hoping it sticks. Stop guessing clown and use any football knowledge you have. Oh thats right, you dont have any. JJ did not get outplayed by tolzien. Tolzien never even threw a pass over 25 yardsin the preseason. Passes that he threw in that range were not completed either. Look up the stats. If the niners keep Tolzein, it because they think he is too valuable as a backup to lose. I see the same thing is Josh so we will have to wait and see.
Jordan,
So, now you’re a “Misogynist”, too?
Jordan,
You are a fool’s idea of a fool.
First off, I don’t believe I agreed to the bet you think we did. I’m pretty sure we bet on whether or not the 49ers would beat the Steelers [I took the 49ers]. Unfortunately, I couldn’t prove that [I asked you to produce the post in which I agreed to the bet you claim i did, you've never come up with it. I couldn't find where we made the bet you claim we made, either]. Since I couldn’t be 100% sure I didn’t make the bet you claim we made [I am 99.99% sure that you're misremembering, or worse], I “paid off”, and stayed away for a week [9 or 10 days, actually].
Besides that, I’ve been away from the blog for more than a week several times since the bet you allege we made.
So, please don’t try to use non-payment for a bet that was almost certainly never made, which was paid anyway, as an excuse. It’s beneath even you. At least, I think it is, probably.
Don’t be on denial, Josh Johnson is a gone ! Niners is set for teh future with all the 3 QBS ! Except for JJ sayonara…hahaha
49erman,
I’ll be looking you up on Monday to say you’re right or wrong.
Jordan,
How about if you admit you were wrong? Have you ever once admitted you were wrong about something? God knows, you’ve given yourself plenty of opportunities.
Ex,
You still owe me a week away from the blog from last year. Pay your debt welcher, then address my posts about being wrong. You lost a bet to me and you’ve not paid it. A week away from the blog was the bet. Remember? Did you forget. Several people have reminded you, yet you still haven’t acknowledged it. Well????
@23jordan:
You still owe me a week away from the blog from last year. Pay your debt welcher, then address my posts about being wrong.
Are you kidding me? Are you f’ing kidding me?
Congratulations on wresting the Blog’s Biggest Hypocrite Award back from Bay.
23j
Thanks for making me laugh bro. calling someone a welcher and then taking them to task for welching classic.
I know you did this on purpose. Nobody has that little self awareness.
How has JJ goten less of a chance to prove himself than ST? Each had practice reps with the 1s and got about equal pt in the games
According to Jordan, Coach Harbaugh is so preoccupied with his starting QB, he utterly failed to see the good play that JJ made on the field, thus never giving him a chance.
Seriously, can’t make this stuff up.
BOS, you may want to reconsider Jordan self awareness evaluation.
Jordan,
You are a fool’s idea of a fool.
First off, I don’t believe I agreed to the bet you think we did. I’m pretty sure we bet on whether or not the 49ers would beat the Steelers [I took the 49ers]. Unfortunately, I couldn’t prove that [I asked you to produce the post in which I agreed to the bet you claim i did, you've never come up with it. I couldn't find where we made the bet you claim we made, either]. Since I couldn’t be 100% sure I didn’t make the bet you claim we made [I am 99.99% sure that you're misremembering, or worse], I “paid off”, and stayed away for a week [9 or 10 days, actually].
Besides that, I’ve been away from the blog for more than a week several times since the bet you allege we made.
So, please don’t try to use non-payment for a bet that was almost certainly never made, which was paid anyway, as an excuse. It’s beneath even you. At least, I think it is, probably.
Jordan,
Who are those “several people”, Jordan? Show me their posts. Also, show me, if you can, the post in which I agreed to the bet you claim I did.
I like Reuland…a lot. But I think that Dobbs will make the roster in spite and that will give Harbaugh the flexibilty to carry an extra OLB. And I don’t know if that will be Can Johnson or Erik Bakhtiari.
I think that Rueland has the best pure hands of any TE on the team this year and I personally haven’t seen him drop a pass. In fact, I’ve seen him make several great catches.
If Ilaika Alama-Francis improves from his impressive performance I would not count him out. He’s a big body that might thrive in this defense.
I agree with the list above with 4 changes.
The four cuts I see are this:
Randy Moss , Ted Ginn, Dixon, and Cartwright.
Making the team instead of being cut are Michael Person, Al Netter, Eric Bakhtiari, Chris Owusu.
I don’t think the upside for Randy Moss is worth cutting the youth of Owusu/Palmer for a 1 year contract. You can cut Moss for free, the upside is that you’ve already sold the season tickets. Downside? I don’t see one. Smith isn’t connecting with Moss and we all know that he will quit on the team.
I’d like to amend this by saying that Dixon gets traded to Detroit Lions instead of being cut.
Hard to imagine the 49ers and the Lions doing business together right now.
I think this is going to be one of those NFL selective short memory moments. I haven’t ever seen Baalke and Roman on the same day talk about a prospective player making the team. It just screams trade.
@Grant
Well, maybe the Niners can get Undercenter to show up and help moderate the trade then with his family being in Detroit and all! lol
“I think we can look to ‘Dix’ to have his most productive season as a Niner,” said Roman, noting the former sixth-round pick.
I think its safe to say Dixon makes the 2012 San Francisco 49ers roster. I agree that he should.
Let’s cut the most accomplished WR and Kick returner and two of the best special team aces on the team. That’s brilliant!!! Not.
@Chris.
Well, at the very least, you have some new names on the list. Gets tiresome to read the same guys on the chopping block in post after post.
And if you are wrong, who cares? Not like we are getting anything for being right. It’s a blog. Throw ideas out there, discuss them. Trust the team to do the right thing and be cool with what they choose.
Great point DS! There isn’t a prize for being right and I agree. It is nice to see some new names. It’s definitely out of the box thinking.
Thanks medic.
The blog gets boring when the same names come up all the time. That is why I brought up Delanie Walker and Leonard Davis yesterday as surprise final cut players.
Heard on the radio today though that Leonard Davis is going to be in on the Jumbo goal line packages along with several other guys whose combined weight resembles that of a Hummer. So, I guess he is assured a spot then.
Bakhtiari has a history of concussions. In fact, he just got concussed last game. I doubt he’ll make the team.
Grant,
Subtract Reuland. Add Derek Hall. Niners are not going into the season with just eight O Linemen. And who’s this Chris Beeler you plan to cut?
I meant Chase. Good catch. Fixed it.
Grant – Do You think Baalke/Roman were doing a little gamesmanship on the Radio today regarding Dixon in an effort to trade him? That was very un-49er-like for them to talk about him in this way and for them both to do it on the same day seems even stranger. If teams think he is getting cut in 3 days, why bother trading for him.
I think he makes the team long enough to trade to Detroit.
I have trouble seeing them give Dixon to their week 2 opponent.
I don’t think the 49ers defense would worry about Dixon for one second.
I would normally say the same, but the DET is in a real bind when it comes to RBs. Their starter Smith hurt his ankle against Oakland. Best is on the PUP list. Leshoure is suspended for violating substance abuse policy.
Baalke and Mayhew could work something out. We hold all of the cards on this one.
We hold all of the cards on this one.
Except for the having-a-running-back-that-someone-would-want-to-trade-for card.
Who would have thought that somebody would trade for Taylor Mays?
What exactly has Dixon done on the field to make anybody want to trade for him?
Same thing could be said for Mays. Aside from his one great special teams play, he didn’t do much either.
@MidWestNiner:
Justified or not, Mays came out of school with a much bigger buzz about him. He also possesses tremendous athleticism. Dixon has neither of those things. Because you can’t make a guy more physically gifted than he is, coaches tend to value the physically gifted players more (perhaps too much).
You’re right. He did. But Dixon is a big back that many teams want in certain situations. Where he is learning to play the FB position as well adds to his trade value. I’m not he’s worth a high pick or even a fourth or fifth round pick, but I could a team offering at least a sixth round pick, probably conditional.
mwn,
Mays brought back a 7th round pick two years after the fact. Dixon may get us a Jason Hill autographed football in 2015.
I’m just saying that it can’t be ruled out Rocket. Some team might have their eye on him even now. But either way, I just don’t see the Niners with seven RBs on the roster.
Mwn,
Just kidding around. I would be thrilled if you were right and the Niners got a pick for him. I just can’t see anybody giving up a draft pick for a player who has done so little on the field.
I totally agree with you on the fact this team won’t carry 7 RB’s. I predicted 6 with Cartwright beating out Dixon, but maybe Dixon beats out Cartwright, who knows?
Not bad Grant, but no way do I see them keeping 7 RB’s even for ST’s purposes. I’ve taken the liberty of cutting and pasting your roster with a couple of changes that I’m predicting:
QB: Alex Smith, Colin Kaepernick, Scott Tolzien
OL: Joe Staley, Mike Iupati, Jonathan Goodwin, Alex Boone, Anthony Davis, Leonard Davis, Daniel Kilgore, Joe Looney, Mike Person
RB: Frank Gore, Kendall Hunter, Brandon Jacobs, Rock Cartwright, LaMichael James, Bruce Miller
WR: Michael Crabtree, Randy Moss, Mario Manningham, Kyle Williams, Ted Ginn Jr., A.J. Jenkins
TE: Vernon Davis, Delanie Walker
DL: Justin Smith, Ray McDonald, Isaac Sopoaga, Ricky Jean Francois, Will Tukuafu, Ian Williams, Demarcus Dobbs
OLB: Aldon Smith, Ahmad Brooks, Parys Haralson
ILB: Patrick Willis, NaVorro Bowman, Larry Grant, Tavares Gooden
CB: Carlos Rogers, Tarell Brown, Chris Culliver, Perrish Cox, Tramaine Brock
S: Dashon Goldson, Donte Whitner, C.J. Spillman, Trenton Robinson, Colin Jones
K: David Akers
P: Andy Lee
LS: Brian Jennings
Practice Squad: Konrad Reuland, Chris Owusu, Derek Hall, Jason Slowey, Kortnei Brown, Cam Johnson, Michael Wilhoite, Michael Thomas
Who are the special teamers in your scenario?
With BJac out for an unspecified period of time, it makes for a better argument to keep ADix but I can’t see 7 RBs making the team. I watched the ST this last game and the Gunners were TBrock and CJSpill who were first to the PR. Right behind them were ADix and CJones. I see those 4 making the team.
If you mean the guys being kept mainly for their ST ability it’s: Cartwright, Gooden, Spillman and Jones.
@Rocket:
Just so I am clear, your list differs from Grant’s in that you have Person and Jones instead of Dixon and Reuland?
Correct Claude. I guess I could have saved a lot of room by just posting those two names. I’m such a blog hog.
“I’m such a blog hog.”
Especially yesterday! jk lol
@ Grant, rocket:
How do you rank Cartwright, Dixon and Jones in terms of special teams value?
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Hof,
No kidding, I am. I wrote a novel yesterday and one almost as long today. God I’m full of myself.
Claude,
I think all 3 are very valuable ST’s players. I just see Cartwright as better than Dixon and having too many at one position can leave you in a bind somewhere else. Anything is possible, but I’d be shocked to see them keep 7 RB’s.
I believe grant got it 95% right in the 2012 53 man roster !
I think Palmer will be on the PS instead of Brown.
Konrad Reuland makes the team..I hope they let Kyle william go !
Williams will make the team. Despite his blunders, he is the best option behind Ginn in the return game.
Nice practice squad Rocket. Would be nice to keep Owusu in the fold for next year.
The Bill and Dolphins are looking for WRs. Hope Owusu clears waivers, maybe he will due to his concussion problems.
under,
There is a lot of chatter about the quality of WR’s that GB will be releasing, and nothing from out here. My guess is he will get through just fine.
Under, good call. Perhaps CJohnson and Reuland get signed off PS if they end up there?? Tough to keep em all.
You rarely see teams claiming cuts from other teams. It happens once in awhile with the bottom feeders trying to improve their depth, but I can’t see WR’s who have played sparsely in the preseason without much production being highly sought after on cutdown day. We as fans place a lot more interest in these guys than teams around the league do. I’ve watched a lot of preseason ball (pretty sad I know but I’m an addict) and every team out there has their own Owusu and Napalm. If the Niners want them on the PS, they should have little problem doing that. I only see them keeping one though.
A lot of cuts get made not because the team and coaches don’t want the player but simply because of the number game. These are the guys that get snatched up by other teams when cut.
What do you mean cut him?
We can trade him!
If every player were traded who the fans thought had trade value, the draft would have to be at least 20 rounds long.
:– )
Slowey is gone for good. A team does not cut its draft pick in the first round of cuts and then bring him back in PS.
Mood,
You could be right. I put Slowey in there because they liked his strength and prospects for development. He was injured for much of TC which I think was a big factor in him being among the first wave of cuts. We’ll see what happens, but I think they’ll have a couple of Olineman on the PS when it’s all said and done.
Harbaugh loves his TE’s so I can’t see him only keeping 2: VD and DW. You could be right though, assuming Dobbs gets a lot of snaps at TE.
Why didn’t we see any of them this preseason then? There was more talk about DL/OL being TE’s than any actual TE’s.
Player’s playing offense and defense, ie Dobbs, Tukuafu are not the norm in the NFL so the writers eat that stuff up. That is why you keep hearing about it.
Detroit is looking for a RB.
Here is the link
http://blogs.detroitlions.com/2012/08/28/twentyman-mayhew-wouldnt-be-doing-his-job-if-he-wasnt-calling-around-regarding-a-rb/#comment-20366
Medic,
Detroit may be looking for a RB but Dixon does not fit their style offense.
Despite the drops t.o. Has looked faster than moss to me in preaseason.
I think that part of the reason we haven’t seen much in terms of explosive plays from the offense is that they want to keep Green Bay guessing. Knowing what Alex’s weaknesses are and what the play calling lacked last year, there is no way they don’t open it up.
I am really hoping that they are sandbagging right now and that they open up in full attack mode in Green Bay.
If they don’t, and Smith doesn’t improve his production, I truly believe this is his last year as a starter.
You just don’t go out and get a weapon like Moss just to use him as a decoy.
Bay,
Here’s the rub. You would like to think that all these weapons could be used. However, lets keep this in perspective. Smith finally threw a deep ball to Moss last week. He threw it into triple coverage. Moss wasn’t open but he did have 3 defenders with him.
I think the Niners are relying heavily on the running game. I don’t see Smith throwing a ton unless we get way behind. I know we don’t trust him to sling it all over the field. Hell, the man is once again going to be in the top 8 in sacks for sure. We know that field vision is questionable. That’s why I think we run it almost 40 times a game. Screens, screens, and more screens!
If he can develop a rapport with Moss similar to how well he executes the wheel route with Vernon down the left sideline, he can and will sling it to him. They need to get the reps in. I still have no idea why we went for field goals so often in the Denver game instead of giving them 4th down and red zone experience, unless they are playing their cards reeeeeally close to the vest.
I think we ran maybe 5 total screen passes last year…just saying.
I think you nailed it on the head. I believe Alex Smith will have some very good numbers this season. I think he’ll have Cam Newton type numbers.
Here is why I think that.
In NO last year, the team was forced to air it out to stay in the game. Tthe 49ers face several offensive juggernauts who will force SF and their weak secondary to try to play catch up. So, I expect Smith numbers to be more competitive.
I agree with other posts which say that Randy Moss is not the answer. The front office has shown it’s not willing to mortgage the future to win today. For that reason, I think you’ll see some veterans cut. Perhaps Moss is one of those veterans.
Alex has weaknesses?
Only when he throws the ball.
hahahahahahha.
That was funny, MSC. I don’t agree, but it was funny.
Bay,
Nice to hear you have some kind of optomism in this post.
Jordan,
Here’s the rub, you are consistently wrong.
If Ted Ginn is out for a significant amount of time, they will need to find someone else on their roster to return kicks or someone from the outside, because KW is not the answer, he almost screwed up again and went after a catch in heavy traffic and made a difficult catch, the clown should of let it go, he is one fumble away of getting his head cut off from the 49er crowd.
Neal,
They’re not going to cut him but he is going to cost them a few turnovers. He has no feel for the game and the game is still to big for him in the punt return game. He does not know when to get the heck away from the football. He clearly does not have his decision making intact back there. He’s going to hurt us but he will make this team.
What I don’t like is that we don’t have a big body for all of our red zone issues. We need someone who can out jump a defender and catch a high pass. The red zone passes will be high! Alex’s red zone issues are here to stay. Bet on that. There is nothing he can do about what he does not see in the red zone. It’s NEVER going to happen for him and he will need a home because of it after this year. David Akers can’t beat Green Bay.
23,
those stats you posted on Tolzien aren’t fair. Everybody knows there have been about 6 dropped high school passes on WR’s who will no longer be 49ers soon.
Perfect example of how these numbers carry very little truth. Don’t know why you don’t like this guy, but he’s gonna have to wait a bit.
Sled,
Trust me dude, I have nothing against the man. I don’t even know him. Everyone who has frequented this blog for the past 2 years knows that I’m a big supporter of Josh Johnson. If it’s someone game I do not like on our squad is Alex Smith’s game.
Tell me this, what has he done to beat out Josh Johnson in the preseason. Johnson’s numbers are clearly better. If he completes those 2 long balls, we aren’t having this conversation right now.
All the samples on the QB’s are small. That’s what makes Thursday huge for both Tolzein or Josh. May the best man win!
I know none of this is personal towards any one player from any of us on here. At least I hope not.
Solely based on last year and this year, a guy who knows the playbook better and has more time in our locker room, it tips to Tolzien. Plus, when you lose a player after he’s learned lots about our strategy, he becomes an issue down the road when you play the team he joined.
I think this was a big waste of time and $$ to bring JJ here. Leaving Tolzien to fight for the exact same position he was in last year. So many other teams where JJ could be very close to being named the starter, maybe Tampa will have him back.
Will be interesting to see how long it takes them to pull Alex if he shows up like he usually does.
Jordan,
I agree with what you have to say, but I do feel that KW will be on a short leash, if he goes back to his stupid ways, which is below Pop Warner intelligence.
Sled,
I think the Niners expected more from Josh. I did as well. I feel like any player has the capability to takes secrets from a locker room to another team. The beauty of this game is that it is played on the field, not in the locker room. You can know everything about your opponent but if they are superior, you still won’t stop them.
Tolzein knows the players in the locker room. Josh knows Harbaugh. I think thats a wash. It’s about who performs on the field. It’s all about this thursday. Let’s see what happens.
What we on this blog don’t talk about is the defense. I personally think the defense has issues this year. I think our secondary is suspect. I hate that we give up so many yards underneath and Goldson always finds a way to get beat deep. Yes, we stopped the run last year and we got turnovers. However, this year, our offense has to do more and I don’t know if they can. Our defense was amazing last year. I feel like we drafted wide receiver and running back when we should have been drafting outside linebacker and cornerback. Brock is horrible and we will get punished against Green Bay unless our defense steps up and decides to get pressure on Rodgers.
23,
Agree with you on the secondary. Before the defenses monster season last year, our secondary was always blowing games, especially in the last two minutes. Saints game, Falcons and who can forget old man Favre on that hail mary touchdown, all prior to last season. Goldson gets a lot of flack, but imo he is a good saftey who takes chances, but in big games steps up. I’m more worried about Carlos Rodgers. Yea he had a pro bowl year, but still gave up way too many big passing plays. We should have drafted a corner last year in rounds 1-3 and I still think we need to address that need, even with Culliver coming into his own.
Calling a player a clown is classless, especially from a so-called fan who probably has no clue what it is to put on the pads. KW is an excellent WR and a dangerous punt returner. Grow up.
+1
So far, Kyle Williams has put this team and himself in danger as a punt returner. His decision making back there is seriously questionable. This is not college ball. You got guys running full speed downfield trying to take your head off. Half the time, he’s shown that he doesn’t even know where they are.
It’s not just about the championship game last year. Remember the Seattle game when he got the concussion? Then just last week against Denver. He doesn’t know when to get away from a ball in the air with defenders bearing down on him.
Dumbledore, I mean Harry Potter, oh I mean Old Wizard, you sound like a broken down wizard. Let’s see KW against the Giants, dove for a punt, let a punt hit his knee and then fumbled, now fumbles happen but the other two punts were inexcusable, look it up in college he did the same thing, You tube it. !!The man lack Pop Warner knowledge, you don’t need to be a ex football player to know that, you old gizzard.
Ted Ginn is not good enough to make the team as a WR. His problem is that he’s made of glass, and hurt far too frequently. Remember, he was out of the NFC Championship game last season and is just not reliable. Either Owusu or Palmer will be a surprise pick.
Willis was out for even more games though… Gore gets hurt every year, and PR/KR is arguably a more dangerous situation, albeit with far fewer touches per game.
Love this, especially Tolzien over Johnson. My only gripe is I think they will take another OLB and cut a RB. Hopefully Dixon. I don’t buy it that he is suddenly worthy of a spot because he ran through some gaping holes our line made for him. Rock looked shiftier in the running game. Either way, I think we took a big risk with 3 OLBs last year, and with how many are already injured right now, it’s an in-your-face reminder that it could happen later on as well. Not sure what my prediction would be for OLB, maybe Cam, maybe Ilaika Alama-Francis, considering Fangio seemed to say he has done very well considering his limited time here…
I’m really hoping the 49ers keep Dixon and Jacobs. At some point the two would be in the backfield together and we would see the first ever tango dance on an NFL field.
Keep in mind the trade implications and games.
They seem to be showcasing Anthony Dixon — I suspect the keep him on the roster initially because they are seeing a 7th rounder for him or something. Then they put Cam or Bahtiari on PS. If they don’t move AD in a trade, then they cut him and elevate an OLB before the regular season games.
Looks good Grant, don’t see Reuland making the cut with Dobbs versatility, also I think Ginn goes on the PUP for six weeks which opens the door for Owusu in Reulands spot and Josh Johnson in Ginns spot, until they trade him to GB in week 2, after we kick their butts!!
That’s something I hadn’t thought of that seems extremely feasible. The PUP list would open a roster spot for Owusu or one of the other tough cuts. Great Point!
Would you really want Ginn out for six weeks? If we’ve actually got someone who can take his place for that long, why keep him at all?
You keep him to prevent someone else from helping their squad. It’s like playing Ginn at this point in the season. You keep certain players to prevent another team from getting him.
this is the wrong place to say this, but i’ll take Owusu and Palmer (and their future) over “one year” (randy) and “hey? he plays WR?” (teddy). and just for kicks I want coby fleener over Jenkins, and Turban over James. but that’ll never happen…
The best thing about all of this is its fun to just throw ideas out. If those idea offend you, then I apologize. I think we’re one fan base with a wide spread imagination. That has made the whole off season and preseason so exciting.
I personally don’t want to read the same post rewritten 120 times. I like the creativity I’ve seen so far. It’s exciting to see things from different views.
Might all come down to the Volt game. It will be interesting to see the fringe players make one more attempt to stick including Palmer and Owasu. Have the been told to sandbag it cause they’re headed to the PS? Is Dobbs heading for IR? Will the Rock play like a man possessed? Will my burger thaw out in time for dinner? These are the BIG questions…
I don’t see Ian Williams making the squad — too one dimensional. Plus, there have been too many injuries at OLB. Can’t afford to be thin there.
Then who will backup Soap at NT?
http://www.49ers.com/news/article-2/Michael-Crabtree-Maximizes-First-Preseason/09ed06dd-7ce9-4e2e-827e-0a5b75573f15
If we get any injurys to our OLB’s we are In enourmous trouble
Not really. The Niners play nickel half the time.
I agree, Grant, especially now that we’ve seen that they can use Dobbs as a nickel pass-rusher. Just how many back-up positions can one player eliminate? He is quickly moving toward being one of my favorite players on the team.
If we don’t get pressure with four guys we’re in trouble.
Denver kept in 6 to block most of the game. That left 7 defenders vs. 4 receivers and Manning still carved them up. Now, it was one of the best QBs ever but still… the secondary looked bad without pressure.
Any secondary will look bad without pressure when facing a good QB.
Trouble, trouble, trouble…
MSC, without all of your typical cynicism, how well do the 9ers do this year? The offense? The defense? The season record? Do they make the playoffs? Win in the playoffs? To read your comments, the 9ers are the Dolphins. Your act is getting old.
How about an upbeat comment for once!
I think football outsiders is closer to correct than most of the Pollyanna-ish posters.
The 49ers can’t count on 6-2 record in close games again or a +28 turnover differential. Those numbers aren’t historically sustainable. The defense will likely regress this year if only due to injury luck.
So in order to repeat last year’s success the offense has to step up. I don’t think the defense can carry the team again.
Unfortunately, the offense has shown no improvement so far. We still have the 29th ranked QB in a passing league. The team added two speedy midgets who won’t contribute this year, a known cancer and a 3rd string WR to “improve” one of the worst offenses in the league.
The red zone is still Akers’ territory. Third down is still Andy Lee territory.
I’m hopeful that the defense can carry the team again.
Keep your head up buddy. Wish for good things to come and hope that maybe our prayers will be answered; maybe a QB falls into our lap like Seattle.
The NFC West is tougher then the east coast press realizes. Certainly one of the more physical divisions in football.
The 49ers schedule is not that horrible based on opponents 2011 win/loss record. But when I examine the road schedule, its like it was designed by a diabolical 49er hater.
Packers home record: 8-0
Saints home record: 8-0
Patriots home record: 7-1
Jets home record: 6-2
The Saints at home is one of the toughest outs in sports. The 49ers have to fly 3000 miles to N.O. after a Monday night game. The Saints won their 2011 home games by an average score of 43-19. At home New Orleans beat the Giants 49-24 and Detroit 45-28.
I’m thinking 49ers will be 10-6, but peak late and go to the Super Bowl. Seattle will have a winning record and squeak into the playoffs.
2011 preseason passing performance -vs- 2012 preseason passing performance. We have improved in every way.
2011 Ptts/G: 11.8 – 47 total points – 23 att/g – 435 total passing yards – 5.5 avg/att – 108.8 avg yards/g
2012 Ptts/g: 18.3 – 55 total points – 25.7 att/g – 466 total passing yards – 6.4 avg/att – 155.3 yards/g
In every measurable facet our offense appears better then our offense did last preseason. Also keep in mind that the numbers for 2012 only include 3 games. This should indicate that when we’re in vanilla mode our offense is operating better then it did last year, I would call that an improvement.
I don’t get why people put all the blame for the red zone woes on AS. Prior to last season, AS was the #1 rated red zone QB. To me, that mean’s last years struggles were a direct result of a new playbook and system. I’m guessing we were using <%40 of red zone plays last year due to lockout ect. Don't tell me all of a sudden Smith forgot how to throw or somehow regressed from the #1 red zone QB to the worst. Red zone offense is a team statistic and we ran a fair amount of vanilla run and pass plays down there. I expect that area to improve vastly now that the offense has a better grasp of the offense
Jdilla…. If you say a smiths problems in the redzone were because of a new playbook and he was great before last season. Then that would debunk any excuse of a new OC every season he’s been here. Makes no sense that his best coaching staff he’s had since being here makes him worse? Not buying it. He’s also struggled on third downs his whole career. What’s your take on that?
..”I don’t get why people put all the blame for the red zone woes on AS. “…..
Because they are clueless and Hate that Alex is the 49ers QB……
……best you ignore them, if they can’t find a legitimate issue to whine about they will create one……as you can see ninermd the clown stating Alex has struggled on third downs his whole career, he states this without providing numbers of facts to support his asinine comment….
@jdilla
Look at your first few sentences. Nobody can have any legit reason to place all the blame on AS knowing that he has been quite good in the redzone.
Since it makes no sense why people don’t get that (and believe me, they’ve been informed of what you said a zillion times), it is best to ignore them, or at least not have any hopes of real meaningful dialog with most of them (not all, but most).
No need for me to rattle off a list of names. You’ll figure it out soon enough.
ninermd response alone shows how much he lacks basic intelligence……its not his fault tho, he didn’t attend college or finish high school…….that is why he can’t figure out 1 = -1
Say what you want, but it’s pretty clear that
Oneniner=Latino Heat
Double post much?
MSC,
Two quotes, both from you, both from the same post:
I don’t think the defense can carry the team again.
I’m hopeful that the defense can carry the team again.
What gives?
Jack called out a few of the negative Nellies here the other day by posting their comments from the live blog during the playoffs last year. They are negative until they aren’t (can’t) – like during the NO playoff game. Everyone approaches their 9er fan enjoyment differently. lol
ninermd,
I think it makes perfect sense. It speaks more to the complexity of a Harbaugh offense and their philosophy last season to not call any plays the team hasn’t grasped yet. Harbaugh and Roman said it themselves, without an offseason, they were only utilizing maybe 30-40% of the whole playbook. All previous offense system, and this is an educated guess based on comments by coaches and players, were no where near as complex and detail orientated compared to our current staffs. It is fine if you want to blame AS, your entitled to that, but explain to me how he goes from the #1 QB to one of the worst in the red zone?
sorry nickrow vato….i am not one niner….but you are a hater…….tat is clear……
Here’s a question for the Alextremists:
Will the diapers come off this year?
Let the man swim or sink. We’ll either have an Alexplosion or an Alexit out of the starting QB spot.
What a dumb question!
….@Prime – you should know by now Nick and Neal are two “special” people……..Its a mission of mine to always ignore their kind…….
@primate and OneLatina
You dimwits just acknowledged that you are Alextremists.
And you Nick continue to prove that you are the dumbest guy on the blog. Not even Neal is dumb enough to come up with a question like “Will the diapers come off this year?
What are you 10 yearsold? Grow up and realize that not everyone understands dumbinese on the blog. I feel sorry for you.
Jdilla…. Who knows why smith went back to almost last in the redzone. If you read my comments from yesterday I am starting to also question the play calling in hand here. I also know that the new OC excuse is ridiculous now. It was used when he sucked and it’s being used now? Not buying that. Let’s see this season because I think we all agree there are absolutely NO excuses after this season.
And onelame…. Dude you are so pathetic now I’m almost done smacking you around. When you come on here and say “I didnt watch the game” and jump to other peoples conclusions with certainty what little cred you have is gone. Now I know why you never answer the question I’ve posed for years now. “does smith have ANY flaws?” it’s because you don’t know because you don’t watch games. You have 1 follower and we all know bs is the blog punching bag. Wheeew!
Ps jdilla… Now that you have my answer. What about his 3 rd down %? And I’m wondering if smith and his passing was that good in the redzone or gore and the running game that did a lot. Can you clarify team or personal stats on that? Because I know smith in the redzone had a good year with raye, but the rest is unclear.
@exgolfer Logically I don’t think the defense can carry the team again.
Emotionally I hope the defense can do it again.
Can’t help it if my heart isn’t logical man ;-)
ninermd,
As far as 3rd down % goes, I would agree with you that is an area AS needs to improve in order to continue to be successful, no doubt. However, I don’t think it is as simple as saying AS sucks and is solely responsible for the %. I’m sure you noticed last year a lot of our 3rd downs were 3rd and longs, a lot of the time 6, 7yds or greater. Why? I thought we called run plays on 1st and 2nd too often, not being able to pick up enough yards to put us in a manageable 3rd downs, especially with our inconsistent receiving core. AS also played inconsistently at times, but having an Oline ranked 29th in passing situations sure didn’t help. If the Oline can improve their protection to somewhere in the middle of the pack, 14th -17th in passing situations, I have every reason to believe the 3rd down % will be vastly better this season. You are right though, the receiving core should be consistently better this season with all the additions that were added and the results will speak for themselves, for better or worse.
Back to the red zone:
2009 Smith was 23/43 Att 142yds 10td/0int, Gore had 28 Att 103yds 7tds
2010: Smith 30/42 Att 177yds 9td/0int, Gore 25 Att 57yds 3tds
2011: Smith 30/71 182yds 10td/0int, Gore 52 Att 109yds 7tds
I didn’t list the other years due to missed games, injuries ect, but if you look at 2006, AS threw 9 of his 16 TDs all in the red zone with 1 INT. I think it is fair to say each year varied slightly, but for the most part was 50/50, 60/40 either way in terms of rushing and passing. The one thing that stands out to me is the number of passes and rushes last year compared to previous. As you can see, both Smith and Gore had considerably more attempts than any other year, yet similar TD ratios compared with the past. I know you don’t like to hear the playbook excuse, but I do believe it contributed to a lot of the inconsistencies. You would agree it is a vastly more complicated, detail orientated offense with all the formations and different motions used than previous ones right? Not using it as an excuse for poor performance, but it is hard not to make an argument without bringing it up.
JDilla,
My theory with regards to Smith in the red zone in the past has been this. We were a losing team. Most of those games, we were definitely behind. Some of those games, we were behind big. Some of those games, we had no chance of coming back to win. Some of those games, the defense wasn’t as committed to preventing us from scoring touchdowns because of leads, time left in games and the opponent as well.
When Smith has to score, he tends to take more chances. When he feels like it not as critical for him to score. I think he tends to say to himself, “We’ll get’em next drive.” I think he did that last year more than any other time in his career. He was aggressive when he absolutely had to be, but when he didn’t, he wasn’t.
He and the coaching staff was leaning on the defense
and special teams.
The red zone issues from last year are in part because JH doesnt want Smith to turn it over. Smith doesn’t want to turn it over either. They both relied way too much on the defense and special teams. Smith has lacked confidence, agressiveness his entire career. His safe play might ultimately cost him his career.
Look at our schedule this year. We are playing against some high powered passing offenses. We are not going to beat those teams with ineffective red zone play and conservative play calling in the red zone. The staff has to trust Smith to get the job done down there and more importantly, Smith has to trust himself and the receivers to get it done.
Goodpoints jdilla. And I agree with most of them. One that I don’t is the blame of Alex smith only. I don’t blame smith only, however I do put most of it in his shoulders. I try to be fair and equal. The extremist’ on here don’t want to hear ANY fault on smiths part. I think I’m pretty fair in my personal judgment of smith. When he came up big I gave him love when he didn’t I criticized him. And it’s because that’s how the football world is. The qb is the leader of the offense. He gets the glory and grief to most. The problem with smith is there has never been any consistency in his career. Until that part is concrete, he will be criticized on his play. You see his past brought up daily because. A. It’s the offseason. B. there is no consistency. I honestly believe he will have a monster season. My concerns of this not happening are.
The 3rd down problem
The redzone problem
Field vision
Pocket awareness
Play calling
And trust issues from the coaching staff.
I’m hoping these problems were fixed this offseason.
Jordan makes some great points that I agree with also.
Thanks for being fair and for the stats. It’s hard to find on this blog. It’s also great to disagree on some things and not calling each other a hater or smither. Good post. Go niners!
msc,
You make some valid points on why the season will not go as well as we hope, however I disagree with your contention that the defense carried the team. The defense was great, but on a number of occasions they gave up a lead that the offense overcame and pulled out a win including the playoff game vs. the Saints.
The defense was excellent for the most part, but a big factor in that is that the offense didn’t put them in bad situations with costly TO’s and poor field position.
The offense was ranked near the bottom in passing yardage but that was due to having the fewest attempts, not because it was ineffective, and that is what gets lost in some of the rhetoric on here. This team found a formula that worked, but that doesn’t mean they are going to stick to it if the defense doesn’t perform as well. We saw last year that when the offense had to go to a more pass oriented attack and score points in a hurry, they were able to do it more often than not, and I think they will only be more effective if put in that position this season. 3rd down efficiency was poor as was the RedZone TD percentage, but even with that, this was the 10th best scoring team in the league last year. If they get the percentage up even 5%, it will be a huge boost to the teams fortunes.
The history books say the Niners most likely will fall back to single digit victories this season, but if we base our predictions on performance only and not try to predict injuries, I can’t see it happening. This team is too good to fall that far.
MSC,
Fair enough.
Carry on with your regularly scheduled Smith bashing, if you will.
When did everyone become so rational?
@rocket, msc, etc.:
I think it is worth noting that, although the 49ers will face more powerful offenses this year, they also will face weaker defenses. I am not predicting how the two will balance out, but the relative weakness of opposing defenses tends to be overlooked when fretting about the 2012 schedule.
I think its funny how 23welcher engages all the newbies on the blog because everyone else knows what he is and the newbies are the only ones who dont know his act, just yet, too funny!
Claude,
Good point. Another area that is overlooked from last season is the Niners played a number of top ten defenses. This year that is not the case in fact in GB and New England, they play two of the worst from last year. We know there is no proof that how a team plays one year carries over to the next but if we look at the two sides equally, there is as much evidence of continued success as there is for failure.
exgolfer,
Rational? Who are calling rational? You can take your rationality and shove it up your %$^&
Rocket,
That’s more like it, you sack of #$%@!
I just think there has to be some strategy to keep unwanted teams from getting inside info from us. That’s why I think J. Johnson and Dixon make the first cut, because GB needs a backup QB and Detroit is desperate for Runningbacks, therefore I’m thinking we try to hold onto those boys and control who gets em via trade!
I got a pretty good idea who I would like to stick on the 53 man roster based on value as offensive and defensive players. It’s close to Grants list.
As far as special teams goes, I have no idea. I’m guilty of not paying enough attention to who excels on special teams.
I’m hoping Chris Owusu, Nathan Palmer and Cam Johnson sneak past 24 hour waivers onto the practice squad if the don’t make the roster.
I’m still thinking Harbaugh will sneak Jenkins onto the game activated roster more then most think this season despite the packed receiver corps. Just a hunch.
Interesting scenario bdizzle. There is some hidden truth in in this. But I don’t see JJ going to the Pack, and after GR’ interview on KNBR yesterday I’m beginning to have my doubts about ADix getting cut.
In my opinion, JJ will be a numbers game casualty. He will latch onto another team, but I don’t see him becoming a Starter anytime soon.
If we did not have a promising young QB like Tolz, JJ would likely make the team and flourish under Harbaugh’ tuteledge.
ADix will my odd man out this time last week. I noted going into the Denver game that Dix would need a big game to ensure his place on the roster. According to GR he may done just that. Roman noted Dix’ explosive running, good vision, equally good blocking, and diversity. These are strong attributes for an NFL RB.
If ADix in, R.Cartwright is likely out.
ADix *was
Darcel mcbath was involved in virtually every play he played the other night…kids a baller!
I’m reposting this because it got caught up in a “why cant everyone just get along” loop:
2011 preseason passing performance -vs- 2012 preseason passing performance. We have improved in every way.
2011 Ptts/G: 11.8 – 47 total points – 23 att/g – 435 total passing yards – 5.5 avg/att – 108.8 avg yards/g
2012 Ptts/g: 18.3 – 55 total points – 25.7 att/g – 466 total passing yards – 6.4 avg/att – 155.3 yards/g
In every measurable facet our offense appears better then our offense did last preseason. Also keep in mind that the numbers for 2012 only include 3 games. This should indicate that when we’re in vanilla mode our offense is operating better then it did last year, I would call that an improvement.
coffee
You’re new, so I’ll help explain the importance of that.
It means nothing. If there are improvements it is most definitely not due to AS. If there are regressions it is 100% due to AS. Even if on D. Because AS didn’t give the defense a large enough lead. Sounds stupid? It is. It is also an argument one blogger here proposed.
Pre-season is the time for many here to find fault. Not to get excited for the upcoming season. Sad, but true.
DS, all you’re doing is propagating the argument. Why derail what could be a legitimate conversation by trying to antagonize everyone into the same conversation again.
Ok. Just letting you know.
…@coffee …you should listen to DS……you thinking that will result in a legitimate convo shows how clueless you are…..
yes, I’m clearly totally clueless. Here I thought i had everything figured out but then you came along and cleared it all up for me. I’m forever in your debt, thank you.
…you welcome….
I hope you’re enjoying the blog.
Coffee listen to ds and become the third punching bag on here. Hey bs “it gets better” oh and since onelame doesnt watch games it might be wise NOT to take this clowns advice. You will end up with the world news and sports from other bloggers instead of the source itself. Ha ha haaa these two the best.
yawn
Coffee,
Well said. Those were interesting stats you shared. I’m really hopeful that the 49ers follow the same pattern this year that Stanford did in Luck’s second year under JH. Compare Luck’s stats from his first to second year. There’s a huge jump. I’m not saying Smith is Luck, but……….
DS,
Someone has to quit fighting first.
Oneniner,
Give peace a chance.
ex
1. I have many times read/participated in many blogs where there is plenty of activity among non-haters agreeing/disagreeing. Then the moment a hater shows up, they throw insults around ruining it. They weren’t invited or instigated. They just post insults for no reason. Whether your “invited” them in or not. They just hate.
2. I am not making peace with a guy who calls me racist. I am only willing to ignore his posts. But ignoring posts only works as long as both parties are doing it. If one does not, then it is a free lunch for the other to write/do as they want. Doesn’t seem fair and balance to me.
3. Add up the number of posts I have not replied to where I am insulted and the number that the haters ignore insults. The results are lopsided in favor of the number I have not replied to. Seems to me like I have “quit the fighting first’. But if the other side continues it, that matters not.
DS,
Oh well, there goes my Nobel Peace Prize. Damn it! Thanks for nothing!
Coffee, if those incremental improvements transfer to the regualar season, I’ll be very satisfied. I never expected a complete offensive transformation.
Coffee,
I see and understand what you are saying. On paper, it looks good, no doubt. I would like to be be as optimistic about preseason stats as you are. Personally though, I put no value on preseason statistics/wins. I use it as a time not to evaluate the first team offense and defense, but rather a time to evaluate all 2′s and 3′s, the bubble watch players ect. The sample size is just way too small to draw any legitimate conclusions about the 1′s. Especially with Harbaugh, they purposely use a vanilla playcalling style in the preseason, as to not give our opponents anything to put on film. Only need reference the detroit lions in 2008. 4-0 in the preseason with both Kitna and Orvlosky putting up impressive stats. Subsequently, like I’m sure you know, they went 0-16.
Sept 9 cannot get here fast enough….
Regardless of the quantity if the sample sizes are equal then the improvement is valid.
The bottom line is, there is reason to believe that our offense has improved. Stop expecting a preseason offense to perform like the previous regular season team because you simply cant(starter playing time, no game planning, basic plays being run.) If you look at a valid comparison then it would suggest that we have become a better passing offense.
Coffee,
Your points are valid. We won’t know for sure until the starters play a full game, but I tend to agree that there will be improvements on offense.
Grant,
Can’t say I disagree with your list. You see the team in practice alot more than us. Most of this will boil down to how many OL, WR, and RB’s Harbaugh/Baalke think they want to keep and how hard it is to find replacement guys at any one of those positions. Seems to me backup WR’s and RB’s are a dime a dozen and suitable replacements can be found relatively easily.
Quick question on Tolzien: Does he have an NFL caliber arm in your opinion? I think Tolzien has definitely shown promise in all facets of the game and hopefully the 9ers find a way to keep him. I just can’t seem to get around that his arm looks somewhat weak to actually develop into an NFL QB. I could be wrong on this but it looks like he floats alot of passes. If the 9ers determine his arm strength is a liability they could go with Johson because of his NFL experience.
Grant the niners should keep Tolzien, to me he loked like he is ready to play in the NFL, JJ has moré NFL experience but did not convince, if Tolzien goes to another team and play against us he is going to make our D Have a long day…..and why not keep Owusu instead of KW? Owusu has better hands than Williams and I think he is faster then Jenkins….just saying….
It will be interesting how many of the 9er cuts get picked up by other teams. There was a time in the not so recent past that our roster was so bad no one would touch a 9er cut with a ten foot pole. I think this year 4 or 5 of the guys baalke might want to put on the practice squad will be placed on other teams 53 man rosters
I think 4-5 guys are a stretch, but a couple guys being snatched from Niners’ PS is a distinct possibility.
Old Coach, “I think this year 4 or 5 of the guys baalke might want to put on the practice squad will be placed on other teams 53 man rosters.”
Which 4-5 are you thinking. I only see two possibilities, Reuland and Tolzien, but then I also see those guys making our 53 anyway.
tolzien, rueland, ian williams, chris owusu, palmer and colin jones or michael whilhoite if a team is looking for a special teams player
old coach,
Anything’s possible, but you just don’t see a lot of claims being made on cutdown day. Every team has their preseason allstars and most want to keep the guys they know rather than claim somebody they don’t. I don’t really see anybody other than Tolzien being of interest to other teams as a waiver claim. I could be wrong of course but it normally doesn’t happen very often.
I hope that they keep the guy who can rap in German. I can’t see seven running backs. I’d guess Cartwright is gone. Worry about OLB depth.
Konrad Reuland is another player that would be hard to keep on the PS if he doesn’t make the 53. Not in this day of the pass-catching TE. Colts could give him a call to join Luck and Fleener – and then, maybe Owusu?
we should sign chris cooley
Why?
with dwalker becoming a free agent, dobbs hurt, and reuland not strong enough, a vet presence might be good to have…the guy does not drop passes
That makes very little sense since he would not be here past this season. Cooley has missed 16 games over the last 3 seasons, including 7 last year. His better days are behind him, and at this point Reuland catches everything as well, hence the “Garbage Man” nickname.
This one isn’t happening.
because you said so right jack…….he is a vet and an insurance…..reuland catches everything but in case you have not noticed….this is a running team and need TE to block first…reuland cant block, thats why he didnt make the team last year or this year vato…..this one might happen…..
Cooley wants to go to a team where he can start. I doubt he would want to come in and be a #3. I still think Reuland sticks and he catches everything, too. Sure, he has to work on his blocking, but I don’t think that is detrimental to making the team as some might think.
blocking in this offense is critical…..why do you think dobbs got a chance, cause of his size and power to block, pretty sure not his hands…..cooley is an option, he is vet, can block, can catch and probably wnats to go to contender…not unreasonable at all to take a look….reuland didnt make the team last year cause he couldnt block, did you see him against broncos, still couldnt block….vatos….
Two rules to live by on a blog, one, never make a bet and then welch, you lose respectability and people always razz the snaut out of you. Second, never speak to absolutes and say never, you look like a pompous, arrogant a hole, see Jack Hammer as clear definition.
That’s all for today folks, carry on.
11-85 connection!
@Latino Heat:
Chris Cooley is not a blocking TE either.
No vato…just because it won’t happen…
Prime Crabtree,
Never post using someone else’s name and then decide to try and explain it away , only to end up hating that players guts 6 months later while kissing your QB’s behind and defending him at every turn. Even when said QB can’t be defended! Lol . Bwahahahahah!
claude you dont spend 8 years in the nfl as a te and not be able to block….he could be veteran insurance and can block and a good pass catcher…he is better than reuland right now
A lot still depends on the seriousness of Dobb’s injury. If he gets back early enough, the 49ers have their blocking TE. 49ers also have their jumbo packages for the run as well. But the stated reason for Cooley being cut is that Shanahan said he wanted to be a starter and that wasn’t going to happen. So I understand what you are saying about wanting to go to a contender like the 49ers, but when the reason for being let go is to give him a chance to be a starter on another team, that doesn’t fit the bill in SF. Guess we’ll see that one, too.
I don’t hate Crabtree, in fact I’m a big fan, do you wanna bet on it? Loser never to return to the blog?
The Dobbs injury could force the Niners to keep Rueland on the roster. I didn’t see him making it but this throws a wrench into things for sure. I also don’t think anybody would claim Rueland if they cut him to put him on the PS. Another guy that is a fan favorite but doesn’t register around the league.
Cooley is purely a pass catching TE, we need more of a blocker. DW and VD work fine in passing game
Would rather see Reuland stay, but if they look outside for a 3rd TE a more likely scenario would be bringing Peelle back. He is available after being released by Pittsburgh, and is already familiar with the system.
Onelatino,
You are the perfect example of why everyone shouldn’t own a computer and a screen name on a 49er blog.
Why the heck would we need Chris Cooley? A slow pass catching TE who has just been cut by the Redskins in their 1ST round of cuts?!?!? He’s also coming off of a surgery last year. Yep, you are a genius. A regular junior GM in training. Go smoke one and fall asleep!
no instead we should sign a career backup who cannot read a defense and came to SF on some bad advice thinking he could start, are you his agent or does dumbness the main gene in your family….. your related to jj are you not……later vato…..
…J Welcher …I love how I get so much attention from you…..everyone that smacks you is one-xxx……
Will Brock make the roster? He’s looked really bad lately. My guess is that the 49ers will find a defensive back cut from a cornerback-rich team.
I’m guessing they keep T Brock and he’s with the team all season. I did see the last game, yes. I just don’t think its likely they’ll dig up any castoff CBs that are better. Teams don’t throw away CBs lightly. Picking up someone with equal skills is a step back since they aren’t familiar with the scheme or team mates. TB has showed improvement over time so hopefully he can do better than his last outing.
I was just looking at the available CB’s out there right now and didn’t see anybody that looked like an upgrade to Brock. Of course there are still cuts ahead.
Barrows seems to have Colin Jones making the squad based on that he is receiving a “lifeline” from Seely because of the amount of ST play against Denver. Guess we’ll see who is right on that one in a few days.
49ers released Chase Beeler and re-signed Matt Masafillo. Need DL depth for Thursday. Looks like no Dobbs.
That does not make me happy.
“That” = Dobbs being so injured that he cannot play.
I sure would like an update on Dobb’s injury, but can’t find anything new. Anybody got updates that I may have missed?
@ ninersrock
.. according to my source he’s working through something……..
Sorry, Man, I couldn’t resist
That’s still better than saying, “I’ll have to look at the film.” LOL
“…passed through the locker room this afternoon on crutches. His lower left leg was heavily wrapped and he was not placing any weight on his left foot.”
http://blog.sfgate.com/49ers/2012/08/27/49ers-injury-report-ginn-jacobs-and-surprise-demarcus-dobbs/
Thanks, coffee, I just wonder what kind of injury it is. The fact that he is not able to put weight on it is what has me worried.
Cant imagine you can go from leg wrapped and unable to put weight on it to playing the next day. Unfortunate. Hopefully they’ve already decided to keep him /shrug
Coffee, that’s why the released Beeler today and brought Masifillo back.
I watched the NFC championship game last night and saw a few things that really disturbs me now that a new season is upon us.
1. Trumaine Brock is not improving. Mr Brock, I need your play book. That 17 yard touchdown on 3rd and 15 said it all for me. Not to mention he played the same way during the preseason last year. Besides a pick or 2 on a tipped ball. He gives way too much cushion to the wideout.
2. Kyle Williams has horrible judgement on punt returns and that judgement has not improved. He is still not reading the coverage unit from the other team heading downfield.
3. Alex Smuth does not play very well when he perceives pressure from a defensive line. His composure is not intact and he anticipates a heavy pass rush when often times, there isn’t any immediate pressure at all. In an attempt to avoid this pressure or perceived pressure, he always takes his eyes off of his receivers.
4. Bradshaw did not fumble. He had lost his forward progress.
5. Carlos Rodgers got murdered by Cruz in that 1st half. Wow!
6. Our front 7 on D is freaking Amazing!!!
7. We need our offense to produce big time in the passing game. If not, we won’t win 8 games!
“watched the NFC championship game last night”
JH and staff watched that game a few times also – that’s why they upgraded the WRs and added depth to the RB position.
It’s a new season, new team, new day, stop living in the past welcher. No one cares what football crap you bring here. You need to clue in that your a zero on here, no credibility, your a welcher and a hater. Anyone that replies to you is usually making fun of your stupidity. Clown, move along now!
Prime,
So when are you taking the diaper off? You didn’t answer the question??? Nick asked you a question simpleton. I demand that you answer it!
I demand you come over here and sux this fart out of my arse!
Primate
That must be the chronic brain fart you’re talking about. That would explain your stupidity.
And the blog has reached an all time new high.
I still haven’t been able to rewatch that game. I keep trying but at the last minute I close the window. Just too painful.
msc,
Good call. I have watched it again and it’s frustrating to see how close the Niners were to #6 and failed. So many game changing moments in there that could have made the outcome different. Ah well, new season in a little over a week.
MSC and Rocket,
I find it painful, too, but also encouraging. Not many [any?] people would’ve put the 49ers in the NFCCG before last season started. And the game was their’s for the taking, if not for some “game changing moments”, as you called them Rocket.
What’s more, the entire franchise’s culture has completely changed, and will remain so for the forseeable future.
The 49ers are relevant, again, and that’s a very good thing.
exgolfer,
Way to fill up that glass. It has changed around this team dramatically in a very short period of time. I’m so thankful we wound up with Harbaugh. Talk about the antidote to the inept disease that hovered over this franchise for nearly a decade.
Jordan,
Bradshaw non-fumble was a fumble. Just because forward progress is stopped, doesn’t end the play. The whistle blew almost simulatneously with first contact, and Bradshaw was still fighting for yards.
Gotta be objective and not just a fan. He was not fighting and he was going backwards. We were begging if we thought that was a fumble. It was not.
Jordan,
Yes, objective, that’s you, alright.
Anybody concerned that we are going to have replacement refs for the first game of the year. Way to go NFL, you greedy bastards. !!
Don’t get me started on that one!
We can’t win in Green Bay with Alex Smith AND replacement referees. Replacement referees and a replacement QB! Forget it!
…snooooze……
Jordan,
I should’ve known better. I was all set to agree with you, but then I read your post more carefully.
You’re still a boob.
Players need to call a wildcat strike in sympathy. That would get the League back to the table in a nanosecond.
Ha, who am I kidding.
talking heads said new cba had a clause preventing sympathy strikes by the players.
That’s why I called for a wildcat strike – which is a work stoppage not sanctioned by the union.
@neal just wait for a truely horrible call that costs a playoff bound team a win and watch them settle the next day. the greed of the owners is sickening
Okay, this is totally off-topic, but I like to have a little fun before the season starts.
What was the worst injury or damage caused by yourself during a 49er game? This could have been caused by the excitement of winning/big play or losing/bad play – or your wife/girlfriend deciding after being quiet the entire game, to stand in front of the TV on a 4th and goal with 8 seconds left to win the game to talk about her girlfriend’s new shoes. Due to Michael Vick, kicking the dog should not be listed! LOL
I’ll go first. Broken big toe (right foot) during the 49er/Dallas playoff game for the ’93 season when my Dad (Dallas fan) said, “I told you so!” Hey, better a fence post than my dad, right? LOL
No, if your dad is a Dallas fan, better your dad.
Ribico, not if you saw my dad and his 21″ pythons back then. LOL
That’s a good one, brotha tuna. I guess I should have included friends and relatives in this. Going forward, please feel free to make it about anybody, folks.
I attacked an orange tree in my backyard with a 34″ easton after losing to Giants in 1990 NFC championship game (three-peat dreams ruined by Roger Craig Fumble).
I’m dead serious, it lasted several minutes.
The tree took a severe beating but outlasted me.
crab15, guess you beat that tree to a pulp. I was in Monterey in a hotel watching that game and I remember my wife giving me the, “No you don’t!” look. That was a tough loss.
Kicked in the door of the TV wall unit cabinet during a loss to the Rams in ’92-’93 (somewhere in there).
The loss in the ’90 NFCCG just left me numb. I think I spent the next 6 months in a semi-coma drooling on myself and saying “wtf… wtf…” over and over.
You all know that this is just a game in which we really don’t gain or lose anything right?
This one wasn’t me, but at the moment of The Catch #1 a friend leaped off the couch and raised his fists to signal TD, only being 6’7″, his fists went through the ceiling. It wasn’t my house, so it was pretty funny.
>>Ribico, not if you saw my dad and his 21″ pythons back then. LOL
All the better ninersrock – perfect metaphor for when the Niners took on big, bad Dallas for their first SB berth. :)
I’m pretty non-demonstrative. Saturday before that ’81 NFCCG, I was working as an engineer at a recording studio in the South Bay. Cat had scheduled a session, and shows up in one of those gigantic foam Dallas Cowboy cowboy hats. I say, dude you are not coming in here with that. And he didn’t. Nothing broken, no bodily injuries ;)
Last 49ers vs New York playoff game when KW Fumble the punt I hit the wall and three of my wife’s family’s pictures Came down and one of them hit the glass cofee table and broke it I finish the game picking up pieces of glass from all over the floor… Now its funny but back then you just can imagine…LOL Hahahahahahaha……
Willie, that one got my rally hat thrown at the TV. Lucky for me, I didn’t break anything!
Holy crap, the stadium is going up quickly:
http://www.newsantaclarastadium.com/live-view
C Balls – Wow, thanks for the link. Jerry Jones must be jealous.
Hey – the new stadium is going to block the view of the practice fields from the Hyatt.
You just know Harbaugh had something to do with that :-D (kidding)
According to Niners Nation, the Sports Illustrated NFL Preview issue has a feature on Justin Smith titled “American Badass.” The title comes from an Aldon Smith quote referring to Justin Smith as “the last true American badass.”
That is awesome on so many levels.
Niners Nation piece here
God, I want the season to start now.
Here’s a teaser
And another:
San Francisco’s Justin Smith is everything a defensive football player should be. Smith is fast, relentless and as strong at the end of the game as he is at the beginning. Last season, at age 32, Smith played 91% of the Niners’ defensive snaps and was named All-Pro at both defensive end and defensive tackle. His workout regimen has become legendary, not because of the amount of weight or types of exercises he does, but because he never lets up. He inspires his teammates to work as hard as he does. San Francisco linebacker Aldon Smith calls Justin, “the last true American badass”
From something called sportsmedianews.com
Too bad, Justin, “the last true American badass” was not in attendance at Aldons’ party.
claude
JS when he wasn’t in the game…the D blew a nice lead to the pitiful Rams when he was being rested. The game got too close for comfort (Rams weren’t so pitiful looking whenJS came out), then JS came back in, and the Rams were pitiful once more.
Can’t argue that he is a Niner MVP. You can name others, but you can’t make an argument he wasn’t.
That quote from Aldon is fantastic.
Heard a couple rumours on Sirius that Moss was on the bubble. Anyone else hearing this? Hoping it’s just talk as I would like to see him play in a real game to see what he has left.
Sean
As I’ve said all along, TC determines all. Especially for the WR’s.
What were they saying Sean?
Prime, it was basically that he hadn’t shown enough in practice and the preseason games. It was being coupled with the fact that he doesn’t want to talk to the media. Just something I heard on two different shows today and was wondering if anyone else had heard anything from other sources.
The only reason I can see that rumor being true is that when you take a year off from competitive sports and try to come back, it’s almost impossible. Add the fact he is 35, it would not surprise me if he was cut.
As for the media thing, that might have been mandated by the organization to keep things low profile.
Sean,
I highly doubt this rumor is true. BUT, if it were true my feeling would be that Harbaugh is committed to winning this year and would not want negative media distraction for Smith. Fully knowing that Smith cannot successfully utilize Moss and the boo birds will get on him every time he misses him deep or just doesn’t “see” him open.
Moss will finally expose Smith’s biggest weakness, the ability to get a wide receiver the ball.
That really is the most ridiculous thing you have ever said. Do you seriously hear what you say about Alex? Are you infatuated with him? Did he not say hello to your son cause for you to be so biased as to conjure up stories like this are borderline Robert de Niro in the movie The Fan. Dude you are messed up!
Hey Bay, you should get Grant to ask JH if he is afraid of boo birds, hahahaha that is priceless! What a joke!
Sean,
Sad but true. The one thing we all know that can happen is that Smith can completely overlook Moss in this offense and continue to connect with Vernon Davis. He favors Davis and few others get opportunities in this offense under Smith. Moss could get discouraged because of the lack of opportunities. Especially ones like the deep throw he made to Moss in the Denver game into triple coverage. I can see Moss running down field with that white glove in the air like he always does. Where he just wants his QB to chuck it up there. What he will soon find out is that Alex SMith has no chuck in his game.
Yeah, the myth was that this year was supposed to be different. Think about this. Alex Smith has been missing wide open receivers running around the field his entire career. There are countless examples of it, including last year.
Thank god NFL.com has the coaches 22 film this year and I will be looking at Smith under the microscope weekly. The eye in the sky won’t lie. We finally get to see what Cosell sees, what Harbaugh sees. What the Smithers see and deny. What Alex Smith does not see. Receivers running free, guys not named Davis.
Moss isn’t going anywhere, that is a rumor that was most likely started by some butt hurt media hack that doesn’t like the fact that Moss could care less about them.
I wasn’t mentioning the Moss thing to get the anti Smith crowd reved up, but I guess if he got cut the only reason is AS. I also heard AS gave Lance Armstrong the PED’s.
Now that I think about it, I bet it wasn’t the neighbourhod cats using my wifes flower bed as a litter box, but AS!
The term alexcuse gets fired at the pro Smith crowd but it can be used for those of you who think every player that struggles only does so because of AS.
@ Sean, well said!
@ 23 welcher says “Think about this. Alex Smith has been missing wide open receivers running around the field his entire career. There are countless examples of it, including last year.
Not so much with Antonio Bryant, Josh Morgan,Vernon Davis, Delanie Walker, all guys that can and have gone deep, and have caught a lot of ball with Alex.
Who else did I miss welchy?
Yeah 7 years in the league and not one coach has said he can’t make the throws. Instead the QB coach guru Harbaugh has said ad believed otherwise. But 23welcher says this year is the final year, sure clown, keep making your famous predictions!
Do you wanna bet on it 23?
I agree with BigP. This has the smell of being thrown out by some hack who doesn’t like being snubbed. Moss has been a model player during his short time here. He’s had a positive effect on the young WR’s and the team as a whole. If used correctly I also think he could have a good impact on the offense. He’s not a full game starter anymore, but if you put him on the field about 20 times a game, I think he could make some plays.
Bay and Jordan,
Take off your tin foil hats and back away, slowly.
Sean,
I find it hard to believe that this is a serious rumor. I agree with your take that RM has not had the opportunity to prove his value with such a small sample thus far. It wasn’t that long ago that RM was blowing-up TC.
But having said that, stranger things have happened.
Do you the person who made this statement?
AES,
No way this is true. He did blow up training camp. He’s caught those weak 4 yard slants that Smith has thrown with ease. He’s dropped one ball that was thrown to him in preseason. He’s been held out of most of the preseason. If he was on the bubble, he’d be playing a lot more than he has been. That rumor is just that.
There once was a welcher named Willy,
His football IQ was rather silly,
He would say he is a Niner fan,
But deep down a true lover of man,
He won’t stop hating all day and night,
Just upset his butt’s not right!
I would be surprised if that happens but AS has the talent or lack of to make Randy Moss look bad, unlike Tom Brady a few years back, Moss had a career year. AS would make JR look bad.
Grant,
who’s had the most success connecting with Moss in training camp?
Their once was a free loader name Prime Slime,
who lived in his Mommy’s basement and said
this is all mine
He had a roommate named DS who was always
full of BS.
He has a man crush with AS, and always saved his hine although he didnot play QB very fine, he was only worth a dime, and Prime later died as he chocked on a lime, and AS finally quit football because he played like slime, dedicated his play to prime slime.
Neal you know what I love about you man, everytime you make a comment, you prove my point that your tied with Nick as the dumbest guys on the blog.
Prime you know what I love about you man, absolutley nothing, I actually feel sorry for you. LMAO !! You can’t compete with Edgar Allen Poe. Don’t croak on the lime man. HAHAHH Your good material. HAHAHAHAHAH
Saying Primate’s IQ is the same as a rock is a major insult to the rock.
Nick,
Thanks for the morning laugh. You crack me up on Prime lack of intelligence.
Neal
Did you hear that Primates mama kicked him out of her basement? Poor guy had nowhere to go until animal control picked him up and took him to the zoo
LMAO good one Nick. If I can talk to the animals.
AES, I heard it on the Blitz with Shein and Gannon then again on Movin’ the Chains with Marvez and Kirwan. They weren’t saying he was on the bubble, it was one of those “sources” say he may not have done enough, yada yada. I’m not trying to start something, just trying to get added info.
I think both Moss and Harbaugh will be cut based on unsatisfactory press relations.
Tuna,
Harbaugh will be cut, book it, it is in the bank. Moss will be the QB so he can pass the ball to himself,and also will bethe head coach. That is a stone called lock.
Sean,
Thank you sir.
No problem, AES. Hopefully it’s just one of those slow media days and there isn’t anything to it. Like I said, I’d like to see what he still has left to give in a game that counts.
I’d like to give Grant’s readers credit for this “rumor”. If you scroll up over the last few day’s comments, you’ll see that Chris was the first one to mention a Randy Moss possible cut.
Chris says:
August 28, 2012 at 3:26 pm
“…I agree with the list above with 4 changes.
The four cuts I see are this:
Randy Moss , Ted Ginn, Dixon, and Cartwright.”
Bayareafantatic and 23Jordan also mention how Moss isn’t working out, but put that responsibility on Smith’s shoulders.
Medic One follows it up
Medic One says:
August 28, 2012 at 5:34 pm
“…I agree with other posts which say that Randy Moss is not the answer. The front office has shown it’s not willing to mortgage the future to win today. For that reason, I think you’ll see some veterans cut. Perhaps Moss is one of those veterans.”
Great work here Grant! Your readers are 2 days ahead of the media on breaking this news. You can go on air saying the story “broke here first!”. Kind of like the old News Chopper 4 Helicopter that crashed into the Hudson…”News chopper 4 was again 1st on scene!!!! “
Madden 13 is the shhhhhhhh!!!! Of course I finally bought a Madden game since my NINERS are good again. Game play is cool, Moss, Manningham and crabs are good, ginn is fast. Moss has crazy hands and good speed. VD has Dr scholls for mits, he can’t catch a cold!! The team has no pass rush but no one can run on us. Sound familiar? oh, and AS is not accurate, sound famliar again? :/ still fun though. Their overall ranking is 89, while the raiders are 87, go figure? wtf right?
What does a 49ers fan do after Alex Smith throws for 300yds?…. Turns off the Playstation.
interesting thought….lmfao!!! I’ll try next time.
Hahahah Jack.
HAHAHAHA!!!!
Is there a Madden 13 game blog section for Alexcuses! (lol)
All in? Right!
prime
+1
Fell out of love with madden years ago. Was thinking of getting it this season for the reason you stated. The 49ers are back. But I think I’ll stick to the new COD coming out.
…no wonder you are clueless when it comes to understanding play calling……
The game play is better than past. I’m just happy I can use them without throwing my controller all the time, lol. But AS isn’t that good, he’ll miss wide open throws down field, middle or even sidelines……I thought it was me but nope, it’s the game.
…@big niner…you are the one not good……..try coming up with a winning strategy that includes running, play action……. instead of throwing passses all over the field…….
Oneniner, I do playaction, run and mix it up. He’s way too erratic in the game though. You crack me up though cuz you even defend him in a video game. If I didn’t know better, I’d think you were him, lol
Oneniner, I do playaction, run and mix it up. He’s way too erratic in the game though. You crack me up though because you even defend him in a video game. If I didn’t know better, I’d think you were him, lol
Hey oneniner….did you finally watch a game from this season….
Jack why are you always up in everyones business playing blog police? Why don’t you mind your own business and work on that hall of fame coaching career?
And don’t use my dumbinese comment ever again, it’s been copyrighted!
Lmao!!!!! I dont know playcalling because I havent played Madden in years HA HA HA HAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA… Its coming together now. Onelame doesnt watchgames and his football knowledge comes from a video game.HA HA HA HAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA.
Might be hard for you to belive Onelame but Ive played football most of my life. But hey…….I didnt play Madden in forever. WOW! You are the cnn of football knowledge. HA HA HAAAAAAAAAAAA
I won’t be surprised if we see some run play package with Kaep and LMJ. Because he’s run threat, Kaep rolling out will immediately draw ILB(s) . He may then toss the ball to LMJ who runs to the outside on the other side of the field. Something like that leverages Kaep’s mobility threat and LMJ’s speed.
Lots of good stuff goin on here. That rumor is crazy on all kinds of levels, whatever it is.
I agree Indigo, they might believe the answer for year 2 domination is to stay ahead of the pack, utilize CK in the ways that Alex just doesn’t possess. They would love to try this in Jets land, but things are not as sharp over there.
When you aim high like they did with Manning, that sets the bar for how bold they want to go. It could definitely baffle to have a mobile youngster in for a few then Alex comes back in.
Agreed Mood.
I would be very surprised if Harbaugh does not use these two players in special packages. CK7 is a definite X-factor with his ability to cause the D to draw LB attention. LMJ, RM, MM, and even KHunt could benefit in any schemes that involve CK.
But I feel that AS can be effective as well when he rolls out. But it has to be a roll out by design as opposed to running when pressured.
…I see the haters and the rethugs have something in common = Amnesia
And a bad case of regurgitation. How many times have they said Alex was done, could not win coming from behind, cannot throw deep, cant win a playoff game, wont be resigned, it goes on and on and on.
Hey Grant,
After reading some of these recent comments, maybe you should start the Live Blog now. lol
Great call Hofer, I second that request.
hof
Grant was supposed to have the practice squad predictions yesterday. 3 days now, and the blog does get out of control.
I think Grant needs to be hoisted on one of those construction cranes during practice sessions. You might say he would get a birdseye view of the practice sessions and we would get updates. It wouldnt be bad Grant, you would only be up there for about three hours. Heck you could even wave at the pilots as they flew by.
@undercenter
No. I don’t want Grant to do that. Sounds too much like a cell phone tower job. And those are dangerous.
Besides, he can just get a pair of elevator shoes and go on his tip-toes. lol
Wow, Grant I think your roster predictions are startlingly plausible. And I have to say that I agree with pretty much all of them, although I will be mildly surprised if both Dixon and Cartright make the roster. I’m strongly in favor of keeping Tolzien. Also it would be interesting if Reuland makes it, he’s got great hands but it could be hard for him to get PT.
Grant,
It’s time for a new blog topic
By the way, wouldn’t it be ironic if the 49ers cut Tolzien and he gets snatched up by San Diego?
Why so you can tell us some more how clueless you are or more of the same jabs at Alex. Either way you are useless!
Grammer nazi here: No it wouldn’t actually be irony because it isn’t an ironic statement.
situation is often said to be ironic (situational irony) if there is an “incongruity between the actual result of a sequence of events and the normal or expected result.”
It wouldn’t be unexpected for San Diego to claim Tolzien back if he was waived so it wouldn’t be ironic.
Don’t be that guy.
Coffee
You’re right, it wouldn’t be a surprise if San Diego picked up Tolzien.
By the way, San Diego has its own ‘Tolzien’ in Jarret Lee. There is also a league wide trend in carrying only two QBs on the roster. So if the Niners cut Tolzien and he ends up in SD, it may be a surprise afterall.
*Grammar :-)
Yea, I know. I’m in desperate need for an edit button on this blog.
HAHA!! Im just messin with ya, Coff!! I couldn’t find the irony in it either, but I knew what he meant!!
I would not mind if he goes to San Diego but not Seahawks.
First of all no one cares what you think and secondly, you dont even have a brain in which to think!
Why don’t you post more perverted pictures on the blog or better yet, tell us who the Niners are interested in for the supplemental draft? Dumb, dumb, dumb!
rocket says:
August 30, 2012 at 10:11 am
“You rarely see teams claiming cuts from other teams. It happens once in awhile with the bottom feeders trying to improve their depth, but I can’t see WR’s who have played sparsely in the preseason without much production being highly sought after on cutdown day. We as fans place a lot more interest in these guys than teams around the league do. I’ve watched a lot of preseason ball (pretty sad I know but I’m an addict) and every team out there has their own Owusu and Napalm. If the Niners want them on the PS, they should have little problem doing that. I only see them keeping one though.”
@rocket
Totally agree. Although S.Tolzien’ example was somewhat different when we claimed him last season. This is a player that looked every bit like a Drew Brees against us in preseason. He had complete control, pocket presence, and made accurate throws under pressure (albeit against 3-4string).
And a year later he is likely going to be a 3rd string QB.
There is a very small group of players cut who latch on to other teams. And if they do it is even more rare to see them start at skill positions.
Let’s not forget the flip side. Owusu and Palmer may want to explore the possiblity of signing elsewhere especially on a team with less depth at WR. It works both ways, let’s see what happens. I agree that the team will seek to retain one of those guys on the P Squad.
There was some interest in NaPalm after the draft, enough the FO gave him a signing bonus to come here. Teams could sniff around if we waive him. But one of those two (Palmer/Owusu) should still be there for PS.
The only trade I can imagine right now is if someone makes an offer on Kyle Williams.
AES,
Very true, Tolzien is the exception not the norm. You rarely if ever see UDFA’s claimed on waivers upon their release. It just doesn’t happen because teams have to put claims on the 53 man roster. What teams are looking for is quality depth at this point and finding that in somebody elses castoffs rarely works. The PS is a whole different story.
Jason:
“Great work here Grant! Your readers are 2 days ahead of the media on breaking this news. You can go on air saying the story “broke here first!”. Kind of like the old News Chopper 4 Helicopter that crashed into the Hudson…”News chopper 4 was again 1st on scene!!!! “”
@Jason
This is not a story when it’s purely based on rumor and opinion. RM has already proven his value during OTA’ and TC. If we all agree that Harbaugh is not game planning during the preseason, we should include RM in this equation as well.
RM will not only make the team, but will be making some big plays this season. Harbaugh knows what he has in RM, he’s just letting the rest on the league in on it yet (lol).
*not letting
Let’s give some credit where its due: Jordo has the entire blog in an uproar today. Now if he can negotiate some kind of royalty/kickback agreement with Grant for all the web hits he generates, he’ll be watching the games from a VIP suite at a Vegas hotel.
We dont need haters on the blog!
Snooze. If this place affects your day, your thinking of people on here, your dreams of Jordan, that is pathetic, and might be time to get a life. This place is entertaining to me, yea yea yea. I did say I am on here to get under people skin, but the truth is I have learned a lot about football on here, then any other blog, from people like Adam,Hofer, Jack, Nick, Rocket, Jordan, Under the center,tuna and several others. Their are many intelligent football bloggers on here, and people dish it out as much as me. I hate Hitler, Jeffery Dahmer, and Natzi’s. I don’t hate Alex Smith, just think we need to do better to get us some championships.If that calls me a hater so be it.
Tuna,
All in fun bro. Go Niners. Yes, I am flattered. Grant will soon dedicate a blog to me like Niner Girl. I’ve got just as many followers as she does. I’ve even got one that hates her. The dreaded Bs, I mean DS!
I am legendary. Go Niners! Go away Alex!
Perhaps 23J. But I’m going out on a ledge here by saying she is probably much cuter (lol).
AES,
A limb, don’t go out on a ledge, you could end up in a psych ward.
True exgolfer (lol). But my ledge is only 3′ above ground!
Jordo is a legend in his own mind. lol
I’m still thinking they keep CJones, ADix and STolzien. Looking forward to seeing ST have a great game tonight.
Headline on NFL.com that TBrady is better than JMo.
Yeah right, that’s why the NFL uses a TBrady signature moment in their ads. lol
Two more losses and he will tie Jim Kelly. Come on Tom you can do it. Of course we don’t want you to win one more either to bring this conversation back up.
He lost the shot at G.O.A.T. when they lost the first Super Bowl against the Giants, blowing up an undefeated season in the process. With the second Super Bowl loss last year, it’s game over. He may very well end up with another Super Bowl ring before his career is over, but I could also see him losing another Super Bowl or two. Joe will always be a cut above everybody else because of his record and performance in Super Bowls.
One of the comments below the article stated that TB was good for getting the Pats within FG range, but not for game ending winning TDs. AVinatieri’s FG was their signature moment.
I would agree with that, and they haven’t won a Super Bowl since the Spygate scandal.
Where will you be at during the game today GC? Do you get press box access or are you in the stands?
Press Box, right between Phil Barber (Skinny Post) and Cam Inman. My pops makes his press box debut tonight, as well. Big night.
Where’s EB? Say hello to the crew cut wearing dude!
Three down. He says hey dude!
Thanks GC.
FDM,
I agree in part that we don’t need haters on the blog. But your interpretation of hate can be subjected, as is mine.
Best thing to do is move on from any comment that fits your interpretation of hate.
We often give life to these bloggers by responding.
Prime
A hater is somebody who calls a person racist because they like AS and JS, despite knowing that this persons fav player of all time is JR.
That is hate.
Hey everyone, I’m a commissioner of one of the fantasy leagues and we still have a couple more spots to fill up.
go to yahoo fantasy football and the league# is 403777, password: go49ers. The draft is TONIGHT at 9pm Eastern time (that’s 6pm for all you west coast guys). Hurry and sign up because I’ll have to open it up to the public in another hour or so to make sure there are 12 teams in the league.
Lots of hate. Let me jump in. I HAAAAAAAAATE THE PACKERS!!!!!!!!
@Prime/DS
Hahahaha! Having you two Bozos’ attempt to describe the definition of hate, is like trying to interpret one of Latino “vato” Heat’ posts (lol)!
In any case, who do you guys see as ‘bubble’ players who will be playing for their 49ers lives tonight?
As recently as last week I had A.Dixon on the bubble as the only real surprise. Any other player cuts will likely fall under the usual suspects category, which will include free agents and undrafted free agents.
Ninermd says:
August 30, 2012 at 5:22 pm
“Lmao!!!!! I dont know playcalling because I havent played Madden in years HA HA HA HAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA… Its coming together now. Onelame doesnt watchgames and his football knowledge comes from a video game.HA HA HA HAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA.
Might be hard for you to belive Onelame but Ive played football most of my life. But hey…….I didnt play Madden in forever. WOW! You are the cnn of football knowledge. HA HA HAAAAAAAAAAAA”
@MD
Back around Christmas last year, ‘oneparolee’ threw a Q & A what would you do, play at me. It was totally out of a Madden game (lol).
Now he finds the need to defend AS from a Madden game because he is not that accurate on his passes. That was worth a hearty laugh. I’m laughing now just thinking about it (lol)!
sounds like a loyal fan to me……
Josh Johnson’s been cut. Darcel McBath made the team. Wow.
at what point can a group of supposed fans be so wrong all the time when they finally realize….maybe they really dont know jack squat about football……every single hater last night was wetting their pants over johnson….only to realize its too late to shine in the 4th preseason game………grant you talked him down, then up, now you got egg all up in your grill vato……
After all the off-season, training camp durm and strang , we end up with the same QB depth chart as last year.
Latino Heat and Oneniner are the same person.
You don’t say…? How…could……you tell………?
threw in too many Caps there, msc…..
no they are not…..nice try vato…
“Latino Heat and Oneniner is the same person.”
The sad part about this is that no one really cares (lol).
Never had any credibility with either character.
Doesn’t surprise me. There are a few other double posters that were crowing all afternnon long and now they disappeared. I wonder why?? lol
Oneniner adds very little. I’d like to ban him but he uses a proxy server to change his IP, so I’m going to delete his posts manually. Does anybody object to that?
nope
No complaints here.