SANTA CLARA – Here’s Part II of Jim Harbaugh’s Thursday press conference – the part where he talks about football. He confirmed three things: 1. Colin Kaepernick is the No.2 quarterback. 2. Brandon Jacobs has made the team, and 3. Harbaugh doesn’t want to talk about Peyton Manning.
This third preseason game – do you see this as the closest thing to the regular season as far as a dress rehearsal for your starters?
“I know that’s often talked about. We approach this like we did the first two, and we’ll do the last. Very similar in terms of how we prepare for it, our approach in all facets. They’re equally the same.”
Would you expect to play the starters longer, into the third quarter even?
“Like we said the other day, it will be pretty similar to what we’ve done. Now, game conditions can dictate that. Who gets the ball first in the first half. How many plays you run. Are there three and outs or are there long drives? Do you get 20-25 plays in the first quarter or the first half combined? If not, then we’re probably looking into going into the third quarter with some of our guys. Things like the opening kickoff dictate how many plays each side of the ball would get. Then, factors after that – turnovers, or three and outs, or long drives. That’s our approach, it won’t be dissimilar to what we’ve done the first two games.”
When you look at Broncos QB Peyton Manning now these last couple of preseason games, do you see a difference between him and Peyton Manning of the past? Pre-surgery Peyton Manning.
“I don’t like to make comparisons.”
It’s the same guy.
“Yeah. Past, present, no comparisons, even that kind of comparison.”
What challenges does Peyton Manning present to your defense? Is it a nice test for your team to have, to face him?
“We’re facing their ball club, and they’re a good team. Solid on both side of the ball. Mainly in a preseason game there’s going to be a lot of things that we’re going to be trying to get done as it relates to the regular season. That’s a lot of the work that we do during the week, and things that we’ll get done and accomplished in the game will be toward situations that we’ll be in in the regular season. So, we really don’t focus as much on opposing players or even opposing teams as much as we will in the regular season.”
Do you think Peyton Manning has something to prove?
“Does it matter what I think in that regard? I don’t think so. I don’t see the relevancy of what my opinion is on that. Don’t think it’s relevant at all to our situation here.”
Did you game plan for the Broncos this week?
“Somewhat. Yeah, definitely, like we did last week. Like we did the week before. It’s just in an amount that’s not the same as the regular season.”
Will your quarterback rotation remain the same?
“We’ll see. Definitely with [QB] Alex [Smith] and then [QB] Colin [Kaepernick] and then we’ll see how it plays out after that.”
You’ve mentioned Colin Kaepernick has emerged. Is he your number two guy?
“Yeah, he’s the number two quarterback.”
And that’s carrying into the regular season?
“Well, yeah. Everything’s fluid and ongoing. But as of today, right now, yes, that’s the way it stands.”
Has RB Brandon Jacobs done enough to earn a role when the regular season gets here?
“Yes. Yes he has done enough.”
When you came back from an injury when you were playing was there an extra chip on your shoulder, just going back to the quarterback position, was there more to prove?
“The neat thing about these guys, these professional football players, and always felt this way as a player as well, is that they’re not the ordinary people that are out there walking around. They’re not the ordinary people that go into a doctor’s office and are seen and evaluated with a leg injury. They are different. They’re some of the world’s most perfectly formed men. They take pride in getting back in half the time that it takes other people with the same injury. They’re in tremendous condition. There’s just a real pride about getting back onto the field and confidence that your body’s going to be able to just heal faster. A lot has to do with the doctors and the medical staff, there’s no question about it. But I think there’s something about these 49ers. They seem to heal in half the time as the rest of the population.”
With guys playing two positions, does that give you more roster flexibility, especially when you look at the depth of the roster?
“Sure does. Yes it does.”
What can a young guy like K Giorgio Tavecchio glean from being around K David Akers for four straight weeks?
“He has gleaned, which is so much, just on the subtleties of kicking. The details of a true professional, probably one of the best to ever play the position and he’s taken full advantage of it. He’s done just what he should be doing and that is being in David’s hip pocket, asking him questions, watching every stroke that David puts on the ball, every conversation that David has with the holder and the snapper. He’s been a sponge in that regard. He has grown exponentially. The steady improvement plus the inflection point that we saw the first week into training camp. He is an outstanding kicker and a lot of that has been being around David and Brad Seely this offseason. You have just seen it. You’ve just seen how much improvement. He was already good to start with, with good tools. He’s a long way from being a carpenter, but he’s a lot closer now after spending this time with David Akers.”
You are a big baseball fan, are you surprised to see a couple positive drug tests in a week’s span? I know it’s not your sport, but you follow the sport really closely and there are two right here in our backyard.
“I just don’t know anything about it. I don’t know enough about it to comment intelligently on PEDs. I don’t know anything about them. I really don’t.”
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“What challenges does Peyton Manning present to your defense? Is it a nice test for your team to have, to face him?
“We’re facing their ball club, and they’re a good team…”
What a GREAT ANSWER. Acknowledges that the QB isn’t the whole team. Something a great many here don’t understand.
So your saying Tom Brady doesn’t make the Patriots?
What???? I’m saying the QB isn’t the team. The HC of our team just said that. If you think he’s wrong, ok. But I certainly won’t agree with you.
I believe he’s saying the QB isn’t important. Normally I’d disagree but Harbaugh did prove last year that a team can win with a mediocre QB so he may be correct.
MSC,
LOL. You and Neal…great schtick!
ds is saying this……….
DS94everXev says:
August 23, 2012 at 10:15 am
Jed York sure hires a lot of dishonest people. Maybe he should check into his accountant.
lol
DS94everXev says:
August 22, 2012 at 9:58 pm
Chris
Point 1: I woud like to see AS take the next step as well. But he can’t do that because the OL can’t pass block and provide any place to step up.
‘Q …You were under pressure against the Houston Texans. How do you see your pass protection developing this year? Is it better now?
A SMITH ……..“I do. I feel like it’s much better. I said this to [Comcast’s] Matt [Maiocco] after the game, I take credit for quite a bit of that during the game. I felt like a lot of that was self-inflicted. First play, definitely my fault, that 3rdand7 sack, I really felt like I ran into that. Same as the other sack, which was really kind of a no-loss, it was right at the line of scrimmage, but on me as well. I really felt like protection was pretty good. There was the one where I got the roughing the passer. That’s the only one that really stands out in my mind. Other than that, protection’s been great. And I think we’ll do a better job. Same thing, it falls on all of us. Offensive line, it starts there, but it’s on backs, quarterbacks, receivers, getting the ball out, understanding when we’re getting pressure, things like that.”: A Smith
Then ds says he’s saying it for team reasons and he doesnt throw anyone under the bus. WOW. A hypocrites world is like a series of McDonalds arches isnt it? HA HA HAAAAA
md
Do you do anything but look at my posts? If they are so stupid, you are doubly stupid for looking and reading them.
“mediocre” is a compliment
BS,
You gotta admit. Lots of your posts lack facts or objectivity or creativity for that matter. However, you are the blog bum so you get away with it. You love Alex, you hate Crabtree. You believe JH when he speaks positively about Smith. You question him when he speaks glowingly about Crabtree. You say Justin Smith is your favorite. Justin Smith is 94. Alex Smith is 11. you got the numbers mixed up. Wrong Smith!!!
23welcher
Can’t hear you. Your so full of the “S” in the “BS” it is muffling your voice.
BB makes the Patriots.
11-5 with Matt Cassel at QB speaks for itself
Especially when the QB in question is probably only going to play one half, if that.
Know your football DS. Don’t you think that question would have much more merit if this were a regular season game?
You make much ado about nothing, sheeesh!
“You make much ado about nothing,”
No. You’re the master of that. And way to be “All In” with our HC. You still are, aren’t you?
Singletary said something similar in that regard and ppl on here bashed the guy. ….all losing teams had lousy QB’s last season.
Cam Newton was a good QB on a lousy team P Rivers too (although rivers contributed to the team being lousy)
love how JH always makes a point to say ” all fluid and ongoing “. He always leaves himself an out.
Tolzien might ask to be let go if he feels ready and doesn’t get more snaps with starters. Jaguars gonna nd to replace Gabbeert soon
I completely agree with you and give you credit for saying something that no one else has thought of in regards to asking to be cut. I’ll expand teams who might be intersted in Tolzien. I’ve said NE, SD, and AZ, but I also think Philly might be interested.
A pocket passer might feel a little better in Philly than a QB who cracks his ribs every year. Before I take the shots for Vick, I know the latest injury was in the pocket throwing. I think his body is feeling the hits of running the ball and he is more inclined to try to establish a pocket presence. That effort (in my opinion) no doubt is leading to some extended pocket time and some monster hits in return as he has to learn a new clock in his head.
Chris
I see ARI and SD being interested in Tolzien but NE has a backup qb battle of their own with mallet and hoyer and the kid in philly (foles) came in and was more than solid when vick went down vs NE.
In any case it is IRRELEVANT because even if he asks to be released the FO will not do it if they think ST can help the team
Sled,
The Jaguars are going to replace Gabbert? Check out his stats in the first two preseason games.
Grant
Why haven’t you asked JH about the starting WR’s?
If Jacobs has made the team, then what are the odds of cutting Dixon?
DS, I think the appropriate question would be; Who is the starting WR opposite Michael Crabtree? (lol).
Zzzzz….Is it the regular season yet? Has JH announced the starting WR’s yet?
Get a life.
Yes, he announced Crabtree, but not the receiver on the opposite side.
DS, sooo, you really believe Harbaugh is so dumb as to bench his team leading WR?
Yep, you know your football alright (lol).
I have a sneaking suspicion that Harbaugh does not ascribe to your MC hatred!
But hey DS, one can dream right? (hahaha!)
DS can you say weirdo?
Prime
No kidding. Who said anything about benching anybody? JH has many times pointed out we have 4-5 starting WR’s. So, we’ll rotate them all in and out. In AES world, that is benching I guess.
AES is just fighting. When there is nothing to fight about, he makes up stuff people say to fight about things that only exist in his head.
Hey, maybe I’ll say:
In JH I trust
In TB I trust
In Jed York I trust.
Now, I really asked for it. Mr. All In will have enough steam coming out of his ears to run a dozen steam driven locomotives. How can I possibly compliment anybody but MC? After all he was the leading WR on a team that doesn’t pass the ball a lot.
DS,
Harbaugh has announced Crabs as the starter. You just choose to ignore it saying we’ll see what happens after the preseason. There is competition at WR between the guys vying for the spot opposite Crabs, but not for Crabs spot.
He announced the starter for pre-season rocket. Not the actual season. Now, since MC has started two games, it would seem likely he is a starter. But, JH never flat out said MC is the starter like he did AS at the end of mini-camp. Thus ending any kind of speculation what so ever. In a similar issue, JH hasn’t announced a starting RG either, but since Boone has started both games now, it would seem likely he is the starter. That is speculation though. Not absolute fact.
If JH announced the starter for the actual regular season, please show me a link to that article. I never saw it here, or SFGATE. And I’d think there would be a title of a blog saying:
“JH announces starting WR, MC among them.”
Maybe I missed it. But I never saw it, and nobody here has actually provided a link. They just keep saying it.
If you can find a link to an article that states it, I will appreciate it. But like I said, chances are high that he is a starter based on the fact he started both pre-season games.
This edgy blog really needs a “W”
@ Primate
Can you say hypocrite?
@Nick:
Can you say hypocrite?
Yes, but it’s spelled “bayareafanatic.”
Hey Ballz,
look up the meaning of Hypocrite. I am not one. I have my opinions and I don’t waver…
@ Claude
I don’t remember reading anything hypocritical about Bay. He is critical, but not hypocritical. Now for Primate, that’s a different story. It amazes me how this thing keeps escaping the zoo.
@crab15
We had one after game 1. There were still lots of groans. After a loss (even pre-season), do you think it gets better?
DS,
Crabtree was their leading receiver last year. It is understood by most that you don’t bench your leading receiver the following season. Harbaugh has continually praised Crabtree and has never wavered in his support for him. Crabtree was named the starter on the depth chart with Kyle Williams the backup on his side. There is no question he is a starter. You just choose to ignore the evidence so you can keep from admitting you were wrong. It’s your prerogative to do so, but you aren’t being realistic in your thinking on this matter.
DS,
You have a serious case of “Crabtree Denial” going on little buddy.
I didn’t ignore any evidence at all rocket.
I know we got a bunch of new WR’s because our play at the position as a whole stank last year.
I know JH didn’t announce a starter (he could have announced MC as the starter with competition at the other).
I was willing to even play with the idea that AS was in competition this TC prior to JH’s announcement that he is the starter. Neither AS or MC are up to the level of a PW/JS/FG type status. Those are guys who I see as absolute starters without any mention of them announced. If you aren’t at that level, then nothing is guaranteed. Look at CR. People here were wondering if Culliver would pass him up as the #1 CB after CR had a Pro-Bowl year. All positions are open for competition rocket. And it remains that way into the season as well.
I have repeated this to you a ton, but you somehow don’t get it. Now can you find the article or not? If not, then don’t get on my case for asking about it when there was no proof.
Have a nice day.
DS – I’m talking about the regular season, sorry I need to be more specific sometimes.
Preseason is mostly meaningless to me.
The NFL makes a lot of money on these srimmages. I think two games is enough but Goodell & the NFL owners want the extra cash. Same with the pitiful Pro-Bowl game.
Does Harbaugh & staff really need four games to make proper player evaluations? Harbaugh already knows what he has.
DS – The Niners will be fine man, even if we lose to GB.
DS,
Those folks that you mention who think Culliver has a chance at replacing CR are almost as delusional regarding the reality of the situation as you are with Crabtree. My guess is those are the same folks who were calling for Tolzien to be the backup QB. Clueless…
@crab15
“Does Harbaugh & staff really need four games to make proper player evaluations? Harbaugh already knows what he has.”
I don’t think he does yet. We have a lot of new pieces, and it takes time to figure out a puzzle. We may not have it figured out in GB, but we will when the playoffs start. And that is what I care about. Get in there, have his puzzle done, and I don’t care if we have to play 10 straight in postseason (I know it never will happen) I believe we will win 10 straight games.
As for GB, if we lose it gives us the revenge factor if we play them in the playoffs. Just like losing to us gave the Giants that same revenge factor. I think it helps. That is why I wanted the Cowboys to win the season finle against NY. We lost to them in gut-wrenching fashion (M Williams just has to fall down on the fumble!). Just as the Giants did to us (losing on 4th down in our redzone on a batted down pass).
@ Bay:
look up the meaning of Hypocrite. I am not one. I have my opinions and I don’t waver
I think you are the one who needs to look up the meaning of “hypocrite.” Stubbornly sticking to a discredited opinion is not the opposite of hypocrisy; it’s the opposite of reason, self-confidence, and wisdom.
A hypocrite is someone who publicly asserts a belief or value (and typically criticizes others for not sharing it), but does not himself act in accordance with that belief or value.
You don’t have to take my word for it. From Merriam-Webster’s Online Dictionary:
hypocrite: a person who acts in contradiction to his or her stated beliefs or feelings
You’re the guy who criticizes Smith supporters because they only care about one player instead of caring about the team. You tell them that they are not “real” fans (or REAL fans as you so subtly put it). You smugly predict that they will disappear from this blog and cease following the team if Smith is no longer on it.
Standing on their own, those assertions are merely asinine. What makes them hypocritical, and you a hypocrite, is your recent vow to leave this blog and “lose interest” in the team if Alex Smith has another season like last year and the 49ers don’t replace him. Regardless of how well the 49ers do as a team, you’ll stop being a fan if Smith doesn’t play the way you want him to play. In other words, it’s not about the team for you; it’s all about one player, Alex Smith.
That’s what makes you such a hypocrite.
DS,
You see what you want to see. Case in point, you don’t think Crabtree warrants the benefit of the doubt as being an unquestioned starter that some of the others you mentioned do. That is called selective opinion. The truth is, Harbaugh has not named starters at virtually all positions because it is common knowledge who they are. He doesn’t need to come out and say Crabtree is the starter in a press conference because most understand that is a given just like Justin Smith, Rogers, Willis, Staley and all the others he hasn’t declared starters.
The team acquired more WR’s this offseason because they had 3 under contract and had nobody they were comfortable with to start opposite Crabtree. Spin it any way you like.
He made a point of naming Smith the starter because he was constantly being questioned about it. He doesn’t get questioned about Crabtree because everybody…well not everybody here apparently, knows he’s going to be a starter. Every beat writer has labled Crabtree as a starter at WR because it’s an obvious conclusion. You are just stubbornly sticking to a stance you’ve created because you didn’t like Crabtree the individual.
I understand what you are trying to say just fine; I just happen to think it’s wrong and based on nothing but your personal feelings toward the player.
rocket
Paragraph 4 of my 10:42 post pretty much points out much of what you said. Though I say JS/PW/JS are the unquestioned starters. Not just because they are all pro bowlers (and worthy) and AS/MC are not.
MC led a stat. If you are telling me that alone guarantees his position on a team, then a former Raider LB who led the Raiders in tackles would like to have a word with you. He was cut.
Since MC is not a pro-bowl WR, he has to hold off the competition. He does not get the benefit of a doubt like PW/JS do. They earned theirs. It was not given. Until MC is on par with them, he and any other Niners will need to earn their job. Doesn’t mean he doesn’t get the job. But your name isn’t getting you the job like it is for JS/PW.
That isn’t hating anybody rocket. That is the JH philosophy. Try reading it one day.
DS,
I know Harbaughs philosophy just fine thanks, I also know that he values Crabtree a great deal and has no questions regarding his status as the #1 WR on this team.
You are judging who should get unquestioned starter status instead of looking at who actually has it. Crabtree did more than lead a stat as you say. He was the leading WR in catches with the next closest candidate at his position more than 50 catches behind. He also was on pace for a 1000 yard season once he recovered from his foot injury. Oh and he was constantly singled out for his blocking by the HC who values that a great deal.
He has earned unquestioned starter status DS. You just refuse to accept it because it would mean admitting you went off on a nonsensical rant that never had any basis in reality.
@ Rocket,
+ 2
Wow,
thanks for the various definitions of hypocrisy Claude. Now I can sleep tonight. Thank god for guys like Oneniner who obsesses so much over Smith that it’s “creepy” almost crush like.
Thank god for guys like Prime that like oneniner also obsesses, but doesn’t come across like he searches for profiles like Smith’s on Match.com for potential dates. In the end guys like Prime are alone, mostly because they are bitter. Replace your Alex “fathead” with a Crabtree fathead Prime. It will be good therapy for you. Oh wait you can’t. They don’t make an Alex fathead hahaha.
And thank God for posters like Claude who really truly are not football fans. Sure guys like Claude enjoy watching the game. Guys like Claude believe they know more than the next guy. They view the game not in its purest sense, but more from a cerebral perspective. Like a chess match. In the end guys like Claude watch the game so that they can enter into debate. Because that is what Claude likes best. A good debate that he can WIN. It’s how he’s programed. Go ahead Claude, cut and paste away. Find your evidence and pontificate it to the blog. It’s how you get your enjoyment : )
As for me, I’ll just enjoy the game in its simplest form. Cheering for the good, ripping on the bad, hoping for the best…
Bay,
+ 2
rocket
VD had 67 catches. MC had 72. +5 for MC.
Don’t hand select your stats rocket. MC had 50 more because the other starter WR, and the #3 WR at that point because they got injured early on. Had they not been hurt, MC isn’t so dominate in the WR stat. In fact, many think Josh Mogan would have become the lead WR. We had Swain start in the Title game. A guy who wasn’t on the team the whole season! Of course MC has more catches than any other WR. If MC played the whole season, he wins that by default.
But he had 5 more than VD. That is it. And VD had a down year. He stank for most of it. Dropping sure TD’s here and there. He was being held in to block a lot because AD can’t go 1 on 1. All the while, MC was going out on routes so he at least has the chance to catch the ball. You make it sound like MC led the team in recepetions by a huge number. Like JR getting 130 or so when the Niner QB was not throwing it 40 times a game. 5 more than VD. Who stank much of the year and was held in to block is not overwhelming me at all.
If you are going to point out how many more catches MC than any other at his position, then I can point out that AS had about 3,000 yards or so more passing yards than CK. Can’t do that and have it mean anything. To bring up that 50+ more catches is almost bay like of you in picking and choosing your stats.
Oh, I have never said MC was a poor blocker. In game blogs/weekly blogs in fact, I wrote what great blocks he had many times. Don’t make it sound like I didn’t say something when I have pointed it out about as much as any other here.
Unquestioned starter rocket (to me) means the Niners unquestionably sign him/are in the middle of signing him when FA comes and then actually sign him.
If you think MC or any player fits that description, then he is an unquestioned starter. If you don’t think MC or an other player does not fit that description, then he is not unquestioned.
To me PW/JS/AL/JS/VD/FG (though maybe not for long)/AS/pretty much our whole defense and some others are unquestioned starters. Everybody else is fair game.
Feel our pain now Rocket? BS will never admit when its wrong. just move on.
If anyone deserves the hypocrite label it’s DS, but Clause won’t go there. The Smithers always give themselves a pass…
@ DS
Blah blah blah .. how many meaningless essays are you going to write today? :)
Hey Bayarea, it’s comical seeing you squirm like a fish out of water. You get all insulted when people call you out. Sore loser much?
@nickdoo, you probably could not read past DS’s first sentence so how would you know that what he is talking about makes complete sense. Go take some classes and get that highschool diploma, YOU CAN DO IT!
@Bay:
Nice attempt at a diversion. That’s a whole lot of words slandering other commenters instead of addressing the issue of whether or not you are a hypocrite. I guess it’s settled that you are.
A few additional observations.
You obsess over Alex Smith as much as, if not more than, oneniner. In fact, I am confident that you have posted more Alex Smith comments over the past year/six months/three months/pick a time period than he has. What’s weird is that your comments come across as bitter and angry, like those of a jilted ex-girlfriend. And yet, you have the stones to call oneniner creepy? I guess once you get on roll with the hypocrisy, you can’t stop.
I love how every time someone refutes one of your arguments, your only response is a feeble claim that the other commenter is not a real football fan.
It does not surprise me that you don’t appreciate football from a cerebral perspective. Yet, for some reason, you claim to be a fan of Bill Walsh. I think you say that only because you think you have to. Let’s face it, you’re like a squirrel when you watch football; it’s the shiny things that get your attention. “Long passes, Yay!”
As for me, I’ll just enjoy the game in its simplest form. Cheering for the good, ripping on the bad, hoping for the best…
That’s a nice platitude. Too bad it doesn’t describe you at all.
Claude,
You just made my point. The shoe does fit Claude…
@Bay:
The shoe does fit
Yes, the hypocrite shoe fits you perfectly. Do you want it in a box, or will you wear it home?
Look, it’s not like I am arguing with myself here. You “debate” as much as anybody on this blog. You’re just not very good at it. Quit while you’re behind.
…damn Bay…….this too easy, claude can’t be this good…
……dude is just straight crushing you……
DS,
I’m not picking and choosing my stats. They are as I said they were, and what that should tell you is Crabtree was the leading receiver despite having a dogs breakfast starting opposite him for most of the year. You get things backward sometimes I’ve noticed. Having Morgan and Edwards healthy last year would have helped Crabtree not hindered him. The more receivers you can get on the field that actually command respect the better it is for your #1 guy.
Having Williams and Swain as the other options did nothing but let defenses focus more attention on Crabtree. Even so, Crabtree’s play improved as the season went along and his foot healed leading him on a pace for over 1000 yards the second half of the season.
My view of the unquestioned starter is the player who is clearly the best at his position. Crabtree is that guy for us at WR.
Crabtree is the starter, he’s respected a great deal by his teammates and Coaches and your idea of Undrafted FA WR’s taking his job and making him expendable was far below any competent reasoning.
Your views on Crabtree are predictably off base because you don’t base them on the player. Analyzing a player based on how you see him as a teammate or your disdain for a holdout 4 years prior leads to a poorly formulated argument DS. I’m not an unabashed Crabtree fan, but I am able to see how high his value is to this team.
Good luck Rocket. I have been saying the same thing all offseason.
Rocket,
This is DS you are arguing with. She once romantacized about Smith restructuring his contract to help out the team when the reality was that he had to take a pay cut or he would be released.
rocket
If you think choosing your WR stat only is not picking and choosing your stats when the #2,3 guys to start the year didn’t finish the year, then more power to you.
VD had 6 TD last year. MC had 4. Despite having 5 more catches, and VD having a poor season till the end, and being held in to block so that AS and MC have time to play catch, VD had 50% more TD’s and only 7% fewer catches.
In the playoffs, when VD showed up, teams feared him. They knew VD could beat them (and he nearly did). They didn’t think MC could (and he didn’t). MC didn’t need anybody opposite of him at WR to help him out in the playoffs. Teams were running after VD. If he showed up, we beat the Giants easily.
And please. No mention of players/coaches not putting down MC. Who have they put down? After the last game, JH nearly let it slip out whose fault it was (OL issue). Then caught himself and told the press he would tell the player(s) in private. You don’t think MC was given a similar speech after the title game? I do.
Tell me rocket. If MC has a year identical to last yea (stats/regular season performance/playoff performance), will the Niners keep him around for 2012? MC is more or less in a contract year with this year being optional. I don’t think they will. MC needs to show up in big games in big moments to make big plays. Do you think the Niners start negotiating with MC during the season if his performance/stats/etc this year are similar to last year? I don’t. If you do, great.
MC’s fate for me and I am sure the Niners brass as well will be determined in how he plays in week 18 and beyond. We drafted AJ for a reason. We got MM for a reason. Those are two guys who can stay here for a long time if MC slips up. If he doesn’t then we have more weapons. But we got them to get ready for MC to possibly leave. Looking to fill holes that aren’t quite open yet is a trait all good GM’s have.
BigP/Jack
Stay out of it. None of your business. You had your chance.
LOL DS! You are arguing with one of the most respectful guys on this board.
BTW, I will comment as I see fit. You are funny little buddy.
DS, I’m not a big fan of MC ( small fan? lol), but it’s hard to dispute Rocket’s well constructed comment. If MC plays well and is very productive, it helps the team. Maybe MC is around in 2+ years maybe he isn’t? If he has an outstanding year this year and next, then that means the offense is doing well. Like or dislike isn’t important. It isn’t personal – winning is the goal. Good times.
Hack Jammer, how long have you been on the blog? How do you know who is respected and who isn’t?
Oh thats right, besides being a hall of fame coach, you have been on the blog a very long time, just an observer from afar, I love it!
hof
If MC satisfies my requirement of any player really (Big plays in big moments in big games) he will guarantee help my team win, and of course I would want him back.
I won’t get into the stats thing. I don’t believe it for him/AS/FG/etc. But if MC does satisfy the requirement, the stats will likely take care of themselves. See VD’s playoff. Big plays in big moments in big games led to some pretty decent stats. The opposite isn’t always true though since a player can pad their stats in games that are pretty much over in a blowout either way, and stink it up in critical moments in big games.
Thus I favor my requirement over some arbitrary “MC needs to have 1,000 yards and 10 TD’s for me to want him back next year.” comment.
MC’s fate will really be determined in Week 18 and beyond. If he has a horrible regular season, and shines after, that regular season will vanish from my memory. If the opposite happens, that would make him 0/2 in the playoffs. And I don’t think the Niners are interested in signing him up for big money (which I think MC will command at least at first because of his regular season), so the playoffs will determine MCs future as a Niner. No doubt in my mind about that.
Appreciate your point hof. :- )
PS You have to be fan or not a fan. Not a lot of middle ground in there for me on this subject.
Good times indeed Hofer ; )
DS
You’re going to like this. Taylor Mays knocks out Crabtree. But don’t get too excited until you check out the link.
http://www.cincyjungle.com/2012/8/24/3264801/the-jury-is-out-taylor-mays-hit-looked-legal
nick
I don’t want anybody getting hurt. MS and I agree on that thought.
BS,
I will stay out of nothing. I will comment on what I feel like commenting on with zero regard for your delusions of grandeur. You are full of it, alway have been and always will be.
“Do you think Peyton Manning has something to prove?”
During a preseason game? He’s hoping he doesn’t throw pick #4. PM is trying to get the rust off after two poor showings in preseason. Nothing more.
Doesnt he already have four, and I have read that PM is having problems throwing to the right.
Under, when I looked the other day it was 3 INTs. I’ve heard he’s having problems throwing deep. It’s interesting…I didn’t hear about him having challenges throwing to the right. Hmm.
Thanks Hof, hadnt heard about the deep problems so who knows guess we will find out on Sunday.
I thought Manning looked pretty good against the Seahawks last week. He had two picks, but one came inside the redzone on a ball that was tipped at the line so really Manning only threw the one bad ball. He had almost 200 yards passing in the first half so he was moving it pretty well. This will be a good test for the D this week.
Rocket,
unlike Hofer’s ” I heard”, I actually watched the game. Manning looked terrific. I only saw the one interception and it was tipped. He looked fantastic. No excuses about new system, lack of weapons, needs time to build chemistry.
His three step drop is perfect. Three steps and ball is out. No chance to touch him. Looks really good. I did not see him attempt one deep pass though.
Bay,
I agree, he looked pretty good to me. He didn’t throw anything beyond 30 yards from what I saw, but for the most part he was sharp. The one truly bad pass I saw him throw was the 2nd int. when he overthrew the TE running a seam route. Other than that, he was moving the ball pretty well against a pretty good defense.
“I did not see him attempt one deep pass though.”
Bay, have you watched PM in practice? If we can’t watch, where do we get that news? It seems your last line in quotes above validated my “heard” comment.
well peyton has a good secondary to practice on….just trying to shift the tides
I’m loving that cardinal O line….lol
I saw that they suck, Snyder is there hmm.
Our D is going to eat them alive!!!
Why is monday night football on thurday?
Jack Hammer says:
August 23, 2012 at 5:09 pm
“Yes, he announced Crabtree, but not the receiver on the opposite side.”
DS is very selective in what he accepts from Harbaugh. He salivates over Harbaugh’ praise of AS, but sulks over the coaches praise of MC.
Hey, but he’s leading Prime’ new rah-rah cheer. Go figure?
AES
Just go on writing.
I was the first person to report on the blog about MC’s hands. Not Grant, or you. I did. And I never called him (JH) a liar or anything like it. You actually have doubting his comments about Pro-Bowl AS. Not All in now are you?
You have never given credit to the other WR’s. Somehow, you never mention what JH says about them. In the same interview no less. I have continuously stated I have no problem with what JH said about MC. You though, again, never seem to have read me posting that. Maybe because you couldn’t fight me. You’d have to agree, and you have an inability to do so. Thus you act like I never said it (I reported it!) because you hate. Here to fight. Not discuss.
DS94everXev says:
August 23, 2012 at 8:10 pm
AES
Just go on writing.
“I was the first person to report on the blog about MC’s hands. Not Grant, or you. I did. And I never called him (JH) a liar or anything like it. You actually have doubting his comments about Pro-Bowl AS. Not All in now are you?
You have never given credit to the other WR’s. Somehow, you never mention what JH says about them. In the same interview no less. I have continuously stated I have no problem with what JH said about MC. You though, again, never seem to have read me posting that. Maybe because you couldn’t fight me. You’d have to agree, and you have an inability to do so. Thus you act like I never said it (I reported it!) because you hate. Here to fight. Not discuss.”
@DS
Well if you want to say that calling you out on your MC bashing is fighting, it’s on you.
Now you want to take credit for being the first one to report on MC’ hands. Hahaha! Maybe you should start your own blog DS.
Let’s see, Prime would be your faithful poster day and night. ‘oneparolee’ could give you advise on how ‘less is more’ but you won’t be able to handle that kind of advise seeing you’re on here 24/7 (lol).
ABTW, I am on record as saying that I believe AS will have an all-pro season. But hey DS, I’m sure that was a little oversight on your part by not catching that.
You say I’ve never given credit to other WR’s? Hmmm, Can you show me where I have bashed them?
But then again, you have set the tone for bashing our team leading WR. When it comes to assessing QB’ and WR’ you really are not the best resource for fair analysis are you?
Oh, there I go annoying you again (lol)!
Good night, bud.
AES
You’re also on record as saying something like “BINGO” in reply to “AS can be garbage” and “MC will catch all the inaccurate balls by AS to make him a Pro Bowler”.
So, once again, you pick and choose which things YOU said about AS. If you are All in, then you can’t say anything with negative connotations to anybody, or you have to do it to everybody.
“Now you want to take credit for being the first one to report on MC’ hands”
I didn’t say I was the first person alive to report it. I was listening thought to the interview at the time and relayed what JH said. MC’s hands being one of them. Reading comp issues big time here AES. I said:
“I was the first person to report on the blog about MC’s hands. ”
Notice the word BLOG. Another time you once again don’t bother reading what I wrote and instead turn things around to suit you, even if it flat out something I never said. Like you saying I hoped MC is hurt. I never want that. I never wrote that. People have in the meantime written that they want AS to get hurt. You strangely have been absent in defending AS there, haven’t you?
“You say I’ve never given credit to other WR’s? Hmmm, Can you show me where I have bashed them?”
I am sure I can if I want to look far enough back. What did you post about KW after the Giants game? Besides, I didn’t say you bashed the other WR’s. Once again read comp issues from you, I said:
“You have never given credit to the other WR’s. Somehow, you never mention what JH says about them.”
You somehow get a message that I said you bashed the other WR’s even though I never said the word “bash” or use any of its synonyms.
You DO simply choose to neglect any compliments JH gave to them in your defense of MC. If you are “All In” you must happily talk about how Ted Ginn is a starter, and KW is a starter and defend their honor when they are attacked. Have you defended TG when people say he isn’t starter WR material? No you have not. People have written it, you have chosen to not defend them. Not “All In”if you don’t defend them with the same ferocity as you defend MC.
And why haven’t you? Because it would mean that you must be open to the idea that MC may not have become the starter and may not play every snap. Then you would have to admit you’ve wasted all your time here defending a player while you yourself have not been what you claim I am not’ “All in.”
“Would you expect to play the starters longer, into the third quarter even?”
Sheezus!! I’m hoping Harby is just beating around bush and going in full dress rehearsal mode …. ’cause I’m going to be at this game!! First time good ole elGuapo, here, is gonna see our 9ers fresh and in the flesh!!! However, I don’t wanna see any of our starters go down in preseason, so I won’t be too dissapointed if he pulled them sooner.
Harby? What is that all about?
Watching the AZ-TEN game, funny how the haters were clamouring for Kolb and Hasselback as better options than Smith.
Now both guys look to be bench warmers. Funny how everything they want turns to zero!
Harby. Harbs. Harbatronic. Harbafunk. Take you’re pick, LOL!! And I ain’t gonna lie Prime …. I was kinda pullin’ for Kolb to be a 9er. And entertained the thought of Hasselbeck. WHHHEW!! Dodged that bullet!!
Gratz on getting to see the 49ers for the first time. Enjoy the game.
Cool Guapo, enjoy the game and the experience.
Thanks fellas!! Got some kick azz seats, too!! Field level, caddy corner to the endzone, “visitors” side, haha!!! Ima do some live bloggin as well ….. SIIIIKE!!! lol! Unless you guys wanna read some posts that go along the lines of this:
2:05; Damn! Akers booted the shiza out that ball. This beer is EXPENSIVE!!!
2:25; Pee break. According to the old lady, Smith completes to Moss for a 25 yard catch.
2:45; Geez. Payton Manning has a big f*&%ing head.
etc., etc, etc!! Nah. Ima play close attention! I’m freekin pumped!! Don’t know if anyone cares, but I’ll post about my expereince. A DS type essay post!! ;-)
@elGuapo:
It would be great to read a live blog of your game experience. Please let us know what happens.
And you are right. Peyton Manning does have a big f*&%ing head.
Ofcourse Claude Balls, Manning big head and your small balls would not be a match. hahahahah
Hilarious Guap- THAT is a live blog …Mannings head… (I lost it!)
Congratulations to the Petaluma LL team! Next up US Championship game. Go get ‘em boys!!!
Homeiz Rock! How much fun can that be for these boys?
Love it, damn I miss little league, so much fun.
Jeez……let’s get on with the regular season already…all of the speculation regarding who’s gonna start at WR, I’m losing sleep ove this…is it Maningham? Is it Moss? Is it Crabtree??? God, the suspense is killing me…I could care less who starts, and for this reason…our coaching staff is among the best in the league, and I seriously doubt they’re gonna play someone that doesn’t fit the program…..sometimes things get to the point of redundancy, and this is one of those times..
Through only 5 quarters of play Justin Blackmon is 8/120 1TD. Although Gabbert is better then most are giving him credit for he still a second year QB which adds to the impressive numbers of Blackmon so far. Obviously too soon to say he was worth the first WR off the board designation but so far he definitely looks like a first rounder.
Looks like Gabbert isn’t gonna be checking down much….
Let it go
So pick him for your fantasy, Bay. Then pick Jack to follow when Alex turns in an “average” season this year.
Hey Rib, that’s not cool. BTW, despite my many comments on the area’s where Smith needs to improve I have also stated that I see him having a much improved year. I can see him going for about 4,000 yards with 25-30 TD’s, and hopefully the int’s don’t go up too much either.
Jack, directed to bay and his “i’m leaving if Alex is average” snit.
Ooops sorry Jack, that abbreviationon was for Jacksonville, not Jack Hammer ;)
Private Pyle reporting for duty! : )
Thats quite a demotion. ;)
Hammer – Here’s the real-life Gomer Pyle.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2bYiLol6XbE&feature=fvwrel
Mike Mularkey is already having a positive effect on Gabbert. He looks like a much better QB under his tutelage. Amazing what happens when you have a Coach that knows how to deal with QB’s.
I can see Alex Smith having a much better statistical season this year too. I expect the team to be trailing much like Cam Newton was last year. That will open the passing attack.
I don’t expect the same number of wins, but it appears that 5-11 will win the division this year. I’d say 6-10, but everyone is entitled to get lucky once in a game. (I’m not predicting 5-11/6-10 for the 49ers. I’m just saying that record would win the division.)
I’ve noted that Jerry Rice has been an ethusiastic supporter of this young WR talent. Stars aren’t always right…….I remember J. Montana thought a young U/Miami qb would be good……….
How about Kendal Wright? Nice!
Comment about Peyton Manning’s evaluation from the San Francisco 49ers.
“I’ve gotten to know some good people. Munchack’s a stud, I enjoyed getting to know Harbaugh – something about the ex-players I bond to those kind of guys. They were all great, I just had to pick one. I had to pick a place, and I knew a lot of things felt right about Denver. And now it is up to me to go and make it the right decision.”
Sure sounds like an evaluation to me. Unfortunately, Manning was the one evaluating us and not the other way around. We also completed our evaluation by giving him a physical and waiting on him to choosing Denver instead of us. Why were we waiting on a decision and why did he call Harbaugh and Balke to infirm them that he had chosen the Broncos if we were evaluating him.
Now the Smithers may be dumb enough to believe Harbaugh and Roman. I just hope Smith isn’t. Hahahahaha!
I guess we will see Sunday who made the better decision welchy!
Prime
Are you related to BS?
Do you wanna bet I am or am not? Loser never to return?
Jordan,
Are you really that thick? What do you think Manning was going to say? Well, the 49ers had a better situation, but the Broncos offered me a ridiculous amount guaranteed money?
@exgolfer:
Jordan,
Are you really that thick?
Ooh, may I answer that question?
Guys! Don’t forget Harbaugh. Would he have given up the OC’s job to Peyton? That’s a deal killer for PM. I’m thinking its a deal killer for J.H. Don’t y’all?
Yep.
Tuna,
That’s not a deal breaker for Manning. He’s running a new system now in Denver.
>>He’s running a new system now in Denver.
And he has the picks so far to show for it. If Manning falls flat this season, do we get to hear Peyton-cuses? New OC!!! lol.
The deal breaker was that PM didn’t show enough during the ‘evaluation’ for JH-TB-GR in to even make an offer.
@ribico
How many Int’s did AS have last pre-season? Or any pre-sesaon for the most part since he has had a new OC every year.
Now, it is PM is learning a new system, we have to give him time? Interesting. And accurate. Too bad this “it” doesn’t get that our own QB has faced the same issue his whole career.
If PM has been in the NFL for 14 seasons, and is having trouble learning his 2′nd system, how much harder of a time is it for AS to learn a new system every year? And PM is a HOF QB. So you’d think he has an advantage. Interesting he doesn’t.
Haters. Wish they’d hold up their end of the agreement and leave.
The point I was trying to make is that Peyton was not shopping around teams to go learn a new offensive system; he was going to bring his Game wherever he set up shop. Elway & Fox had no problem with that and have accommodated it in OTAs and TC. Manning may have had to learn new vocabulary and the run blocking schemes may be different, but he’ll be running the P.M. Offense. He’ll need a few more reps with his receivers to get into his groove, but barring injuries Denver will likely make a playoff run in the second half.
My guess is that Harbaugh has a philosophy for game management and wouldn’t let Peyton just go out there and do his thing at the LOS. I doubt the discussion ever got that far, but I think they (JH & PM) would’ve had that kind of thing worked out before any final commitments were made.
Of course that’s pure speculation on my part.
DS, word is that PM is still having physical issues as well. Which no doubt showed while we were kicking his tires. Will come out in the wash in regular season. Who’s Denver’s backup QB?
@Brotha bingo – my bet would be that control of the offense was Manning’s priority.
If Manning’s goal is another SB then he blew it – he picked the wrong team. Harbaugh took a team with Alex Smith at QB to the NFCCG. Imagine what Harbaugh could do with Manning.
ribico
Off hand, I have no idea who the back-up is. It would be Tim Tebow on any team, but they had as a starter last year.
Hey! Is it Nate Davis? The haters would love it if that were the case. Imagine PM and Davis on the same team! The haters would have an orgasmic experience with that.
IMHO the reason Manning isn’t a Niner is money. I think the Niners weren’t willing to offer the kind of money the others were and that was the difference. Control of the offense could have been dealt with and Manning seemed willing to do something new, but the contract he got from Denver was staggering and I’m guessing the Niners weren’t interested in those kind of numbers.
“Now, it is PM is learning a new system, we have to give him time? Interesting. And accurate. Too bad this “it” doesn’t get that our own QB has faced the same issue his whole career.”
HaHaaah! It has finally come full circle hasn’t it?
@montana
Not quite. More like 300. The other 60 happens if PM has a new OC every year of his contract and Denver gives MS a shot at being HC. Then we’ll see how elite PM looks. And of course all of this happens after PM has had major surgery like AS had when MS was our HC.
@ Jordan,
I thought they were not related but are roommates.
>>Now the Smithers may be dumb enough to believe Harbaugh and Roman.
Manning’s statement is not at odds with what H and R have said.
And even if it was, you are taking a competitor’s word over our own teams’? Hey, go be a Bronco fan – annoy and welch on the fans on their blogs.
“Hey, go be a Bronco fan ”
What makes you think he isn’t? Afterall, I bet the Broncos are pissed as hell about what we did to them back in the Super Bowl.
And if he isn’t a Bronco fan, he is a horrible Niner fan for choosing their words over our own teams statements. Unless there is a real trial and it is proven your team lied, you need to stand with them. That is what a fan does. End of story.
@ribico:
Surely, you weren’t expecting accuracy from anything the welcher writes?
He and Bayareahypocrite have one agenda, namely, to attack the starting QB of the team they say they root for. They’ll write anything, including tons of made up nonsense, in service of that agenda. 95+% of their posts are about Smith; either they’re obsessed with him and/or with defending their discredited opinions about him.
Either way, it’s an unrelenting drag on the blog. I take some comfort, however, in knowing that, no matter how much they try to make the rest of us as miserable as they are, it won’t work. There are many reasons to be confident that the 49ers will once again do well this year with Smith as QB. Fans of the team will be happy, but those two miscreants will be miserable, just like they were last year.
>>There are many reasons to be confident that the 49ers will once again do well this year with Smith as QB.
True that claude. I’m hoping for better numbers from AS this year, but I’m not sweating it. Last year the team proved they could win big with “average” play from the QB. Plus “average” means bay is kicking his own @ss outtahere. What could be sweeter?
Exgolfer,
You missed the point clown, the point was that Manning was doing the evaluation, not the Niners. The Niners were All In!
If they were all in, they would have at least made an offer.
Bray,
You fail to realize than Manning ran that entire process. The Niners didn’t make an offer because manning chose another team, then negotiated a deal. Not the other way around. The Niners didn’t have a choice. It was Mannings choice. Okay????
23J/DS or anyone – What will happen if the Niners beat GB week 1 convincingly and both Alex & Crabtree are the offensive stars of the game?
I’m hoping for that scenario vs GB but I’ll take a “W” even if they both suck.
23J- So Manning called up the Niners and said “why don’t you come check me out”. Not.
Of course it was Mannings ‘choice’, that goes without saying. What you fail to realize is that they weren’t ‘pursuing Manning’. If the Niners REALLY wanted him, they would have made an offer BEFORE he made his choice. They kicked the tires and didn’t like what they saw.
Crab15
I’m ecstatic.
From AS what I need to see is him continue not to turn the ball over, making good decisions. It sounds like nothing. but if it was, every QB would do it. He does that, with our added weapons, we are going to be very hard to beat.
From MC: I don’t care about his stats (or any player for that matter). I want to see him show up in big moments in big games (the same goes with VD/DW/RM/MM/KH/etc). In my view, MC seems to start games off well, then as the game wears on, he disappears. See the NO game. Started off like LF with that first pass he caught making a great move after the catch, showing lots of speed. And later on that quarter, he and AS fooling the DB for his TD. was awesome!
Then the next 7 quarters, MC vanished. Had more drops than catches.
I need to see MC show up when the game is on the line type stuff. Now, he needs to do it in the playoffs to really put the issue at rest with me. But if he made the winning catch as time expired in GB, nobody can get off to a better start than that.
And not having a drop rate of 10%. Need to get that down a lot.
Between the two though, big plays in big moments in big games is by far the most important.
PS I can’t see the Niners winning if AS sucks in that game or pretty much any other. Other players can suck (FG/MC/VD). But if the QB sucks (throws Int’s, mis-handles snaps, etc), you’ll lose almost 10/10 times.
DS – I agree with most of what you’re saying about Alex and Crabtree.
I would like it if Alex took a few more chances down field early in the game though, to loosen up the “D”.
Especially to Moss and VD.
As Hofer says, check downs are part of the WCO but IMO, Alex is still too comfortable dumping the ball off to his RB’s and he does not scramble enough. The guy is a damn good athlete, tuck it and run more Alex.
You’re right, for some reason Crabtree has not had the strongest 2nd half performances yet. Don’t worry I’m not going to blame Alex for that. Not yet. :-)
As for the drops, way too many from Crabtree but as 23J has said often, Crabtree has saved a lot of inaccurate throws from Alex with spectacular catches.
We’ll see how it plays out this year.
Crab,
I’m sure if that happens I will find 1 Alex mistake to dissect for the week (sarcasm…I think, LoL)
Crab15
I don’t want AS taking more “chances”. I want our improved offensive players to get open, and have AS find them and get it to them more often than not. I don’t want AS to throw it to covered players hoping things turn out all right. Other teams did that to our defense, and it worked to the tune of them losing 14/18 times. Not good odds to copy. If our players are not open, we didn’t improve.
I have said all offseason that the Niners need to work with Silicon valley to get some special glasses/visors. One for AS that fools him into thinking it the 4th quarter all game long, and one for MC that fools him to think it is the 1st quarter all game long. If that were possible, none of them would play the 4th quarter because CK and AJ are in their for mop up duty. :- )
What are your thoughts on MC being able to catch the high ones (‘I like the high ones!’) better than the ones that are more “on target”? I think MC does great catching the ball high where he has to reach up above his head (not have to jump) than he does throws between the numbers. Thinking back to last year, AS threw high to MC a lot more than any other WR (he throws low to VD), and I think he does it on purpose because MC is better at catching the high ones.
DS…………It gets better!
9ers were all in? Didn’t JH say they woulda had to get rid of about 6 of our starters to sign him for that kinda money? All the 9ers were hoping for was to see if he would sign for cheap and a ring!
Hey Josher,
Let the Manning thing go already…he’s a Bronco not a 49er. PH was in the drivers seat on this deal. Personally, I think without the huge cap hit the 49er’s would have taken by signing PH, the 49er’s are better off because of the players they were able to acquire through free agency…all of which are going to help them win.
We are a great QB short of a nice run for 3 or 4 years.
Neal, so how do you characterize last season?
Rib,
Giants a much team in the playoffs because of a Hall of Fame QB. The Niners are lucky because they donot have great QB’s in their divinson. We have great special teams, great defense and a great field goal kicker and punter. That is how I characterize last season. Even when Mr. Smith had his one game wonder with a playoff win, he was pretty horrific in the second and third quarter. He is not a playmaker and that is Bill Walsh criteria for a great QB. When you think about the Niner glory days, AS would not even be a third string QB. Steve Bono was a hell of alot better. Sorry I went past last year.
Josher23,
Is that you under a different moniker/avatar?
No it is not 55 wanna be
Rib,
When Neal starts getting crazy on Smith just remind him of this….
Neal says:
January 14, 2012 at 5:14 pm
Greatest Game ever. I will never ever insult AS again. He has my repect.
In fairness Jack, Smith held true to form and followed up his great game with a disaster. That’s been the pattern of his entire career – he has that great game once a year that gives people hope and then he goes back to being Alex. If he could harnass that talent consistently he’d be a top 5 quarterback.
What’s that msc?
msclemons67 says:
January 14, 2012 at 5:45 pm
I’d like to sign up to join the Alex Smith cult now. I’m a believer. What a game.
Jack,
We all got caught up in the moment, we thought that game was the end of ordinary Alex and he becoming what a #1 draft choice should be, and then the following week he was hideous 1- 13 in third down conversions. Same old crappy ass Alex.
Even the great Bill Walsh once said that” Rick Mirer was the second coming of Joe Montana” We all make mistakes, I was just a exciting fan, and realize that you can dress up a pig but it is still a pig. I can see Alex say oink on 3 as he huddles up to the next play.
Pleading temporary Alexanity?
Yes I am Jack. It is a clear cut case.
Jack, it’s too easy. They’ll flip like Sunday morning pancakes once the 9ers are on a winning roll and AS is serving up big yardage. Everyone loves winning.
LoL Neal! All good, just bustin your chops. That live blog is full of good stuff.
Hofer, that’s just the nature of fans and sports. Even back in the Joe & Steve days fans would boo and say all kinds of crazy things, and those guys were Hall of Famers.
I know Jack your pulling my very large chain lol hahaha.
Hey Hoferman,
I don’t like pancakes so your explanation is not for me, but everyone has a moment of weakness.ha
Where art thou 49ergirl?
“Even back in the Joe & Steve days fans would boo”
Jack, tell me about it! I was on the side of starting SY over JMo in 1992-93 even though JM was the best of all time. I usually support the underdogs. Now that was a debate!! LOL
“I was on the side of starting SY over JMo in 1992-93″
Hofer, you’re dead to me. LoL!! Now those wre GOOD TIMES ; )
I remember being on the Joe bandwagon. Although after the great one was traded, I was rooting heavily for the Niners to beat KC, to see Young and the Niners beat KC, Joe got the last laugh on that one, also remember the game when KC beat Denver, what a freaking great game that was.
“”That live blog is full of good stuff.”
Jack, you may even find a few tidbits of mine mentioning AS’s weaknesses. But don’t tell Bay. I’d hate to spoil his pointed comments to me and quite frankly, I’d miss seeing them. LMAO!
Neal, so basically you are saying a run to the final four NFL teams, a four that excluded a lot of “elite” QBs, was not a run. Just circumstances due to weak divisional rivals. Okaaaay.
Enjoy this year’s non-run.
Yep Jack, I got caught up in the moment and for a brief time I was suckered into thinking Alex was a good QB. I suppose that will haunt me forever.
Luckily, Alex set me straight the following week by being his usual self against the Giants.
>>They’ll flip like Sunday morning pancakes once the 9ers are on a winning roll and AS is serving up big yardage. Everyone loves winning.
Actually No, Hofer. If the 49ers are on a winning roll and Alex is not serving up big yardage, the haters will stay on that one side until the pancake is burned to a crisp.
Me, I’ll take the 49ers winning big with average Alex than 49ers winning big with big yardage Alex, if just for the hilarous pretzel logic thrown around here.
Hofer,
Based on that live blog, one can assume you are not a big fan of Greg Roman ; )
Jack, yes at that time I was disappointed in the offense but realized without OTAs, they were simplifying the offense for all of the players. They were winning with that offense and that is the objective. I do want to see more on offense this year and believe we will now that the players know the offense and playmakers have been brought in to supplement VD and FG. Good times indeed!
“If the 49ers are on a winning roll and Alex is not serving up big yardage”
Rib, with this tough schedule, I don’t see the same type of wins as last year – all defense and just enough on offense. I’m thinking the defense has a slight fall off this season but the offense picks up the slack.
Greg Roman has to be twice a good offensive coordinator, then the offensive coordinator’s for the Aaron Rodger’s, Tom Brady’s of the world because he is working with a faulty QB, who has poor pocket presence, tends to hold oto the ball, or dump it to a back for a one inch gain.
Hofer,
It’s ok to say you were frustrated with Roman : )
The next week I couldn’t help wondering why he abandoned the running game, which was rolling, in the 2nd half.
I too am excited to see how things look this year, with a full offseason and camp together. On paper the WR group looks more explosive, I think the addition of Boone will shore up the line issues, and the added depth at RB will pay dividends by keeping all the horses fresh. Let’s Get It On!!!
“The next week I couldn’t help wondering why he abandoned the running game, which was rolling, in the 2nd half.”
I think FG was banged up. He had the hip issue from the year before and evidently, a bad knee was affecting him. Don’t you remember the hit he took from JPPaul during the Championship game? He didn’t run the same after that hit. They had no choice but to abandon the run.
Yes, but Hunter was gauging them pretty good too. Oh well, enough of that misery…how many more days until Sept 9th : )
Jack, I know, I know. Why are we putting salt into an almost healed wound?!! uuggghhh!!
Looking forward to the game tomorrow against the Broncos. I’m hoping we don’t overly scrutinize every play, unless it is positive of course. Can you say 11 – 84 connection (please)?
“Do you think Peyton Manning has something to prove?” What the?
What nitwit asked that question?
Even if the Niners cut or released Peyton Manning that would still be a half-wit question for a scrimmage game? Are you kiddin me?
A first ballot hall of famer, something to prove in a practice game?
Whoever asked that question step into my office, cuz you’re F’n fired!
Another fascinating look into what makes Harbaugh tick. No better look inside the man than through his Twitter account.
http://blog.sfgate.com/thebigevent/author/phartlaub/
@Jack:
Thanks for the link. That’s good stuff.
Once again, can someone explain how it is that people don’t like Harbaugh?
Claude,
If you asked how a 49er fan could not like Harbaugh, I’d agree completely.
On the other hand, if, for instance, I was a Seahawk fan……….
@exgolfer:
I meant on a level unrelated to team fandom/loyalty.
@Claude I love Harbaugh as a coach. On a personal level I wouldn’t want to spend time with a guy who has such barely hidden disdain for those around him.
Seifert was the only 49ers coach in my memory that I could imagine hanging out with on a non-football basis. And maybe Singletary.
msc,
Are you kidding me? If I had to choose someone from Bay Area sports to spend a day with, it would be Harbaugh hands down.
I find him to be very interesting and would love to talk about life and success philosophies with the guy.
Msclmon – I’d have a beer with Jimmy Raye, just to ask him “sup brah?” “What the hell were those play calls?”
@ Clemons
I agree that George Seifert seems like a laid-back guy I could hang out with.
Harbaugh might be fun; I’ve heard he has a good sense of humor. He seems like an ‘all-in or not’ sort of guy; great if he likes you.
I have this mental measure for athletes and celebs in my head:
1/ Would I have them over to my house for dinner?
2/ Would I want them as my next door neighbor?
For instance, I’d want a young Charles Haley as my Linebacker, but maybe not my neighbor; ya’ know?(he’s completely matured and I’d totally take him now).
Harbs? For dinner? Absolutely; If he didn’t like you he wouldn’t come. Neighbor? Sure, I’m pretty easy to get along with so I can’t imagine any problems, but he isn’t a guy you’d want to have bad vibes with!
I could be wrong, but I get the impression that Harbaugh is far less guarded away from the cameras. I think he’s developed this mildly combative persona when dealing with the media to keep everybody guessing and to also keep the us against the world mantra going with the players. He seems to be a genius in manipulation which an NFL HC has to be at times.
@msclemons:
Other than certain members of the media, for whom has Harbaugh shown disdain? I am not disputing what you say; I just haven’t noticed it.
Awesome, thanks Jack. Harbaugh is a fan of the “Wreck of the Edmund Fitzgerald” by Gordon Lightfoot??? Double awesome! ;)
Rib,
The 49ers need to get Hootie back together to play halftime at the NFCCG this year…
Well maybe Jack, if it pleases Harbaugh :)
I knew is was a bad omen when they had Kristin Chenoweth, more known for her work on Broadway than anything having to do with the Bay Area, singing the national anthem at the last NFCC.
Jack,
Great piece Jack, I never been on twitter and JH is a real poet and a interesting man, he is just very clumsey and awkward with the media. Nice to know the other side.
Jack Bauer, Coordinator of Defense?
Well DS, that’s quite an accusation. Care to find where I made that comment verbatim? You are known tomake your own interpretations of statements around here (lol).
Right around the time we found out MC was injured. I gave a professional reply. You gave an “Arrrhhhh” type reply, and then you went on the offensive big time on myself and prime. Either in that blog or near it. I don’t care to spend my time looking at the BS you write about how you know I think/hope regarding MC. I’ll leave that to you.
As for the other stuff, you have chosen to remain silent about a great many posts where the involved player being attacked was not MC.
And what of your interpration of what you said I wrote? Yeah. Just ignroe that. As if it never happened. No “Sorry, I should have asked you what you meant” type comment before saying that of you.
You don’t write it because you aren’t that way anymore. That sucks.
See AES. I told you awhile ago. Even if you are right about MC being the starter, you are wrong in everything involving that/fights/etc.
nice read on barrows blog this morn about von miller and tony jerrod-eddie
Pretty arbitrary around here about getting your posts dinged.
Grant mentioned some problems with the spam filter; maybe that’s why yours is missing.
No, it showed up. I mentioned how ugly the hate is by some people around here. Maybe the powers that be like that, I dunno. Wasn’t like that before though…
@IP
Specifically, what words did you use? If you can remember what they were. Some words will cancel out your post.
Jeez DS, I’ve forgotten, something about revolution, riots in the streets and cross dressing on away games. I forget… ;- )
.
No, nothing bad, just an admonishment to some to keep it civil. FWIW I ALMOST made it through last nights Cards/Titans game. Boy, that was u-g-l-y…
Then I am at a loss then. Have you tried emailing him dirctly about it?
grantcohn@gmail.com
I hope Grant doesn’t mind. And please, for Grant’s sake, don’t use the email for just any reason. Like: Why didn’t you answer my question… type thing. Only for stuff that is important (like your posts not showing up) and private.
From what you describe, I among others have posted similar things and it showed up fine.
NFL.com is reporting that the Denver Post is saying that PM will play less against the Niners due to our defense. They dont want him subjected to possible injuries.
Center – Time to dust-off those old Barry Bonds (intentional walk) rubber chickens!
If true (and I kinda doubt it is), then I bet PM never wanted to come here for a second. He saw our schedule and our OL issues for the past…forever, and said, “No way”.
He only used the Niners as leverage to get money. Denver was stupid enough to fall for it. We were never remotely going to get him unless it was a RM type contract. Which PM clearly does not want. So this whole PM thing is just like the “AS missing on throwing to RM in a preseason game” issue. Stupid.
DS, If you’re right, he took a play out of Kurt Warner’s contract playbook. Instead, I think he wanted to see what his options were. It’s like buying a car. Just because you like a Mercedes C class, doesn’t mean you don’t drive a shinny BMW 5 series also if it’s on the lot.
@Chris
I think we were a lot more serious about signing Warner than we ever were PM. I agree though with the basis of your statement. It helps to screw a team out of a lot of money if that team perceives you have other teams who will sign you at any cost.
Denver never did their homework. No way is TB paying for an aging repaired neck QB who is not mobile a lot of money. The Titans as well were never that serious at the price PM got. PM certainly fooled the Broncos who hated Tebow so much, that blinded them from the fact nobody was going to offer PM nearly what they did. Bad business.
Lol, that is why Manning called Harbaugh to let him know that he wouldn’t be signing with the 49ers. The fact that the Titans were willing to pay him the most money is another dent in your theory. If it was about money, he would have gone to Tennesse-plain and simple.
http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2012/07/10/report-bud-adams-was-willing-to-pay-peyton-25-million-a-year/
“Measure twice, cut once.”
So I guess we’ll find out who the backups are…..ha. I know they drafted that 6’8″ QB from AzSt to sit and learn, kind of like Malik at NE last year. I doubt he’s NFL ready as a #2.
Actually NFL.com twisted the interview around. PM said he doesn’t know how much he’ll be in against SF. The team doesn’t have their team meeting until today for Sunday’s game.
Here is the actual link that NFL.COM was citing:
http://www.denverpost.com/broncos/ci_21387609/broncos-could-decide-reduce-mannings-playing-time-against
Would be nice if there was a separate blog for AES/DS/Jack/Crab/Brother/Under/23 to insult each other in and leave this one for the adults.
coffee
It would be nice if the adults would accept the requests of others to please stop replying to them.
That one thing would stop virutally all the fighting.
Grant just wondering if you put any thought to having the bloggers name/ID posted under trending topics?
It would be a great idea so that people coming on here could pick and choose the comments they would like to read insted of going thru the entire thread? What do you think?
Here’s an idea that will easily solve that problem FDM,
Don’t respond to it. No one is forcing you to respond to a comment that you don’t agree with.
FDM – Hofefully Grant will check in and see your good idea bro.
Would be cool if there was more than only last 5 posts listed too.
It will just clean things up Jack because as you have noticed, DS has asked you so many times to not reply to him, but you still do. Maybe some people cannot police themselves, case in point YOU!
So by having the persons name present upon entering the thread, you know that you can avoid certain individuals or even better, not enter the thread altogether.
Im just saying some people on here just want to infuriate one another, examples:
23Welcher-and everyone under the sun.
DS & MD
Prime Time-AES
Claude-Bay
Jack-and everyone under the sun.
This would just help keep it civil for the most part if actually Grant wants to keep it clean and football related?
FDM,
You can also add Prime Latino and everyone under the sun.
Good point Neal, Latino Heat is a ruthless SOB. We should maybe add you and Pigskin as well as you guys seem to be one player, one topic of blasting Alex at every chance you can. I mean I remember you saying when you first came on here that you didnt care and that you were only here to start fights, correct?
@FDM:
It’s an open, public forum. There shouldn’t be any expectation that other commenters will not respond to a public comment.
I am confident that, as much as DS doesn’t want Jack responding to his comments, Jack (and others) don’t want DS commenting in the first place, or at least don’t want him commenting so often. Neither desire seems particularly appropriate in an open forum.
FDM
I don’t know if Grant saw that thread Crab15 started.
claude
The fun part is, if I don’t reply to THEIR post, they get all mad at me. Then if I reply to somebody else’s posts, I am posting too much. Something seems wrong with that.
Check it out sometime. It’s true.
@FDM
I just say what I want, if that get’s under your fur so be it, have no idea who pig skin is. Prime Slime is the biggest insulter and bottom dweller on this blog. Now I know you two might be second cousins so I don’t expect you to be objective.
See Neal thats what Im talking about, you get so defensive and personal and lash out, why? Cause I called you on something you said and that you were here only to fight, tell me that you didnt say that?
@claude, I agree, in an open forum, its buyer beware but in trying to police ourselves, it was a suggestion. There are certain people I know on here that I want to talk to and avoid. If I see their name on trending topics, I am most likely to respond or avoid, therefore, saving others the displeasure of personal attacks. This blog is notorious for that since Branch left. Crab15 made a suggestion and I followed up, thats it.
Not defensive at all FDM, I am cool and collect.
Really Neal, cool and collect? Associating me with “Prime Slime” is cool and collect?
I could find 10 comments of yours and 9.9 of them have a direct insult on someone or Alex. But whatever man, you do your thing and if that means you being cool and collect, right on brother, enjoy life.
Claude,
I have no problem with the volume of comments from DS or anyone else, I could afford to slow down a bit too. If there is a comment or topic that I agree/disagree with I give my opinion.
Some on here either need to get thicker skin or work on there comments.
FDM,
Who cares? You once threatened me with physical violence and are the only person to have done so. You are hardly the voice of reason on this blog. DS’s rants are just as annoying as the people that wish for Smith to blow out an ACL on every snap, but both are equally entertaining in their own way.
claude
This is a public forum, but so is a park.
Imagine everybody here is at a park instead (in a public place). We are discussing the Niners amongst us. Now, if there is somebody who I don’t like and/or doesn’t like me, I will not be talking to them nor them to me. They won’t hear what I have to say, and I won’t hear them say anything. So we can still be at the same place but not listen to one another and thus enjoy ourselves even if there are some who you may not find enjoyable to be around.
So, we can all be in a very public place, but still have some privacy in that public forum. And in the parks I go to, I don’t often see people fighting like they do in here. If people start to disagree or get mad, they leave the person, and can go off with somebody else.
This isn’t like that. Public forum does not have the same definition it once did. Thus, why is it unreasonable to expect some new rules/behavior when the setting is not the same?
@ Jack:
Sorry, I did not mean to speak for you.
@FDM:
I only meant to address your chastisement of Jack for responding to DS’s comments; I don’t have a problem with your suggestion.
@DS:
You have been posting on this site long enough to know that it is nothing like the public park you describe. The owner of this site has created and maintained it as a no-holds-barred public forum (not merely a public place) in which each discussion is open to anyone who is interested in participating in it. There is no expectation of privacy, and other than certain slurs and obscene words, there is no censorship. Each of us who posts comments should expect that others will read and respond to them. I am not particularly interested in censoring anyone who wants to participate in the discussion, although I could be talked into an exception for trolls come here not to participate in the discussion, but merely to, well, “troll.”
I am not sure why you keep wanting to limit discussion or otherwise change this site, but if it too rough for your tastes, maybe it’s not the place for you. Niners Nation seems to enforce the “no personal attacks” rule pretty effectively and the ratio of knowledgeable, thoughtful commenters to self-professed experts just looking for a fight compares often favorably to this place.
FDM………Ummmm Its MD – BS and Onelame. Dont leave out the biggest Idiot on this board. .
Also its funny that I read this because about 30 minutes ago i was thinking…..I wonder if the other teams football blogs have fans arguing with each other everyday. Or is this normal? When you invest yourself in the well being of your TEAM or invest your feelings into 1 PLAYER, I guess there is no room for love on here. Is was it is Bro. All I know is that in 3 weeks Ill be back at my 3rd home. Pole M and the Stick. WWWWWHHHHHHHEEEEEEEEEEEWWWWWWWWWWWW!!!!!!!!!!!
DS94everXev says:
August 24, 2012 at 11:53 am
claude
The fun part is, if I don’t reply to THEIR post, they get all mad at me. Then if I reply to somebody else’s posts, I am posting too much. Something seems wrong with that.
Check it out sometime. It’s true
Who believes this bafoon? Ds skips questions or comments that it cant answer without “bashing AS. Thats when it skips town. Just like Onelame. PAAAAATHETIC!!!! There you go FDM its maaaybe my last dig and DumbS*** for the weekend. Because I have a life. CHEERS FAITHFUL! ITS FRIDAY
I suggested the private chat room for those who want to get into it. I don’t see what is wrong with that.
And the blog wasn’t always like this claude. I don’t know if you read the blog before you started posting (about the same time as me I believe), but it was a lot nicer. I keep coming here out of habit of having come here for years as a reader/now a blogger and in hopes of it getting better. That is why.
I have seen Niners Nation as well, and I do like how they discuss items no doubt.
Coffee,
Youve only been here a month. Here’s your chance to leave. I promise you won’t be missed. Go someplace else, then you won’t have to read insults from me and my followers. See ya!
Please feel free to join me everyone else would appreciate it I’m sure.
He already promised last year, remember welcher? You said that if Alex returned to the 49ers this year you would never be back on this blog? Own up to your words!
How else could he get attention. With that kind of personality you know everyone at work and home just tries to tune him out.
Coffee – I’m not being rude, you’re just insignificant.
Maybe you’re trying too hard to get noticed.
that must be it.
Hammer -What did I do to get on your ***t list? :-)
Crab15,
We are cool amigo, but you have to admit our styles can be construed as insulting to a “cherry” like Coffee, who by the way is extremely witty.
Hammer – Right on…thanks man! Maybe I went overboard on the “blog-haizing” with the new guy (Coffee). Did I just invent a new word? :-)
Crab,
Don’t think that’s not a new word, but you misspelled hazing. LoL : )
Hammer – Not the first or last time I spell a word wrong. Pathetic :-)
TGIF!! Almost time for a cold one on this West Coast!
Coffee,
I have enjoyed your additions to the discussions. As for insulting others I find your inclusion of brotha quite odd. He is one of the most respectful contributors on here.
Add undercenter to that list. He is a straight up good guy as well.
Then it was my mistake for adding him. I thought he was one of the names I frequently saw in the fray but If I’m wrong then I’m wrong and I take it back.
@Cfc:
Yeah, you probably want to take brotha and undercenter off the list and add me to it.
Oh, and add Neal. He only comes here to hurl insults.
check.
/erases Brother Tuna and Undercenter and adds Claude Balls and Neal to the no x-mas card list.
;)
@ Jack & Claude
Thanks for that, amigos
@ Coffee
I don’t think of myself as insulting, …………maybe just annoying? : >) Just scroll past; its easy enough.
Look at you Claude, we finally agreed to something and now you throw your insult. You Smithers really need to try some testosterone pills, or other enhancing performance drugs, because your unconditional love to AS is getting pretty nauseous. Coffee I have not heard about you, but if I have more then 2 cups of coffee a day, I get the freakin runs.
Also J @ J ( Jack and Jordan) keep up the good work.
I’m just as prone as any to lose my cool and have an ill advised and immature pissing match. I just wish they didn’t have to happen in the same place as all of the football convo. Would be nice if there was a ‘take it outside’ section where we could all go and whip’em out and get these arguments settled.
Neal,
Me too! More than one cup and my bathroom looks like that scene from “Hall Pass”…
@ Jack,
lol, I once had Vietnamese coffee, seriously I was so wired up and needed a bathroom so bad.
coffee
For the record the blog has talked about private rooms for such a discussion. Most favor it.
@Neal:
How did I insult you? I merely stated a fact. You have said more than once that you come here to start fights and insult people.
If I want to insult you, I’ll mention how unimaginative, unintelligent and unfunny your comments are.
…..wtf…..you listed a bunch of amateurs….. the one-niner should be number 1……..
…….7 yrs standing strong against the haters….
@ Claude,
All you are is a copy and paste man, you don’t have a original thought in your head or your balls. Your kind of like the guy, that ran the projector for Coach Rev, when he said I need to look at the film. snooze
@ FDM,
I have no problem with you, but your point of view with AS has become more objective, last season you were on the AS band wagon. I will give you that, you don’t throw the insults as Prime Slime, hell the guy is gross, saying several times that he has banged my mother, very sick dude and disturbing.
cfc
All these guys – Hof, M67, Bay, 23Jordon, Aes, Prime, oneniner, Jack, DS, Razor, Adam, Big P, Tuna, Crab, FDM, Neal, Nick, Nickrow, Tim, Rocket, MD, Grumpy, Old Coach, Claude, Ribico, Midwestniner, Houston, are all guys that have been here for quite awhile. They ALL bring there thoughts and ideas to the table. For the most part they all understand football. I myself like all these guys. They are funny, intelligent, and for the most part good people. Yes some discusions go way over the top and arguments ensue, and yes the name calling is troublesome, but one thing without a doubt is that they are all Niner fans and all have different ideas on what is taking place. So be it. Its no big deal. Have a mighty fine day cfc.
undercenter
Whether anybody agrees with your points or not, that is an impressive list. Did you come up with it all in a flash?
DS – well it took a few, but its just guys that are here lots so its easy to recall. I hope I didnt leave anyone off.
@ Undercenter
I enjoyed your comments about the many personalities here. I think Stan helped me better appreciate the milieux: when he first joined us I was thinking ‘Who IS this guy?’ Then I just went with him and enjoyed it whether or not I agreed. Lately I’ve been able to appreciate all sorts of contributors and provocateurs just as they are, again whether or not I agree.
I’m still working on my spiritual development in trying to embrace some of the Bomb Throwers; there’s a few that still are a challenge for me! Om.
Super Stan is a GENIUS brotha! He get’s it and comes up with some funny stuff.
I am not a Harbaugh, because as a fan who likes to hear up to date information about the team, His secretiveness drives me bonkers. I respect what he’s done with the team. I think The pieces were there for him to succeed last year and I am excited to see what he can do this year. I think his biggest challenge will be that the NFL has had a chance to adapt to him.
I see people posting questions about asking Harbaugh about receivers, ask harbaugh about the QB status, ask Harbaugh about team status. He gives a generic non-answer each week. So, I read those and think, what’s the point?
I am excited for my team though. I disagree with some of the choices he’s made, but I am more than ready for the season to start. He can show me his brilliance then.
Chris
At the end of mini-camp, JH stated that AS is the starter. He complimented all 4 a ton, and at the end said AS is the starter. For WR’s he did the exact same thing. Except he didn’t announce starters.
He announced CK the #2 yesterday. The #3 is not announced. I doubt JH knows for certain yet.
And I’m sorry, I have not idea what you meant to say in your opening sentence. Please explain.
I’m sorry I was trying to comment on an Jack Hammer’s early post about Jin Harbuagh. I am not a Jim Harbaugh fan.
I don’t agree with you at all, but I appreciate you clearing that up for me.
Though I suppose I can’t agree or disagree really about somebody else being a fan of x. Kinda doesn’t make sense in that light.
Chris,
Those same generic responses are given by pretty much every HC in the league. Nobody wants to talk about strategy for fear of divulging too much information to other teams. HC press conferences are a running joke because they really don’t say anything.
That’s a great point. Still frustrating, but it puts it in perspective. Thank you.
Chris,
I see where you are coming from, but if you really listen to Harbaugh and read between the lines he is easy to understand, and he tells you all you need to know about the players.
I find his media interactions to be fascinating theatre.
DS:
“How can I possibly compliment anybody but MC? After all he was the leading WR on a team that doesn’t pass the ball a lot.”
@DS
Now that comment deserves a BINGO! Keep working at it DS. But this is not bad for starters (lol).
But about the 5 starting WR comment, well???
Just another one of Harbaugh’ great deflection answers. Unless DS, you can actually visuallize 5 WR on the field?
But in regards to MC, I’ll be eagerly waiting for your comments after he catches TD’ this season (lol). Oh, I almost forgot, AS will garner all the credit in your world!
AES
“Unless DS, you can actually visuallize 5 WR on the field?”
No. Shortly after he made that statement I said there is a chance we rotate our WR’s a lot. It won’t be like the days of old with JR and JT on the field all the time. And know what JH said about a week or two ago? We will roate our WR’s out in different combinations. Sounds to me like I was right.
See, I managed to be “All in” when you are not “All In” calling our HC a liar, and not believing in him.
All in includes the HC, right? Nope. Only MC.
“But in regards to MC, I’ll be eagerly waiting for your comments after he catches TD’ this season (lol).”
You really don’t read any posts do you? Nobody here has made a bigger deal of the Seattle catch (and it wasn’t even a TD) than I have. I gave him credit for a great catch. I talked a great deal about it. On the live blog. On the weeks blog that followed. And even now. Certainly more than you did. Of course, you weren’t “All In” yet. So, you are safe.
Know my history some before you make up the version that suits you AES.
….AES why are you trying so hard to create a “hate Crabtree” club, its obvious you are obsessed with trying to find an equal to the “hate Alex” club…………
we know you as the blog flip flopper……you were once a fence sitter and now you are All IN…….a pass to the designed read instead of long ball Moss and you run back to the fence………….
…the last person I would expect to be ALL IN is you AES, cuz its an easy setup, you will flip back once it looks messy out there……and claim you are just being objective of the current situation……
…its who you are…..only a flipper will claim he is ALL IN…….
oneniner says:
August 24, 2012 at 2:48 pm
“….AES why are you trying so hard to create a “hate Crabtree” club, its obvious you are obsessed with trying to find an equal to the “hate Alex” club…………”
@oneparolee
Hey bud, tired of seeing your boys DS and Prime getting crushed for constantly flashing their MC hate cards? (hahaha). BTW, the club that you speak of seems to include only two people, DS and Prime. If that’s your idea of a club, then you can have it (lol).
I think you’re having comprehension issues with the term flip-flop as well, but I have to consider the source.
Oh, and just a little advise, keep working on your credibility oneparolee, perhaps one day some of us may actually forget that you were banned from this blog for spewing all your venemous hatred. The day you become the voice of reason around here will be the day I believe Harbaugh never pursued PM (hahaha!)
“ALL IN” (with ALL 49er players)
What an idiot! No clue anymore what he is talkin about!
AES
Questioning credibility Points:
1. I thought you said you don’t care about it either way. So why point it out to somebody not having it if you don’t put any stock in it?
2. You being the “All in” guy. Last year, you changed your stance on AS at least once a week. You still don’t defend any player like you have MC. TG’s WR’s skills have been put down here. Why aren’t you telling those people to be “All in”? Because you don’t care. Only here to fight.
Is it relevant I think Jim..inside his football world…is a ass? Probably not.
But,his ma loves him..so he cant be all bad I guess..lol.
Just don’t lose Jim..or your fricassee to the press..
Will Crabtree be a starter this year or not? i do’nt know but i will sept. 9th so lets all just wait till then. what i would really like is if he starts and does’nt play well no one blames smith and if smith does’nt play well no one blames crabtree. all players success is interdependent on other players but for the most part they succeed or fail on their own talents. i beleive its even more true on a team as talented as the 49ers are
oldcoach
At this point it would shock me if he isn’t. I said if he starts 2 games like he did, he will be the starter. Even if he doesn’t start the Denver game.
It won’t mean as much as it did with JR/JT. JH has said we will rotate WR’s in/out like we will RB’s. MC is the starter like FG is the starter, but will be subbed out depending on the situation.
miaocco is predicting the 9ers may keep 4 qb’s on the 53 man roster. he is saying if it comes down to johnson or tolzien he thinks right now it would be tolzien
I was just getting ready to post that Old Coach. Here is the link.
http://www.csnbayarea.com/football-san-francisco-niners/niners-talk/Projected-49ers-53-man-roster-and-practi?blockID=762427&feedID=5936
@old coach
I saw that. Maiocco is also predicting that Rock Cartwright makes the team. I doubt that. If A. Dixon outplays him the next two games, Dixon will make the team. He brings more value to the team. Owusu is predicted to make the practice squad. I hope he clears waivers.
I too hope Owusu makes it to the practice squad, but teams like the Dolphins and Bills are in big needs for WRs.
@ under, Great link, thank you.
I disagree with Matt that Ginn makes the team. I think Mario Manningham could be a punt returner if needed and that would move Williams up the list also. Ginn has made great progress at WR, but I don’t think he makes the cut.
I also don’t see Dixon making the team. With the new IR rules, I can see the team putting Jacobs on IR until week 8. That gives them some leadway to carry an extra player. I don’t think the extra player is Dixon. I think if it works out that way, the extra player turns out to be Ginn or Owasu, while they wait for the teams Nick mentioned to fill their receiver needs. Then they can put Owasu on the ps to activate Jacobs.
I also don’t think that Johnson makes the team. They Colts owner is taking about “trade winds”. Johnson might just end up in Indy for a late round pick.
@medic
At this point, we have no way of knowing that Ginn won’t be a starter.
@ DS True. We don’t. However, I think the needs in other areas dictate Ginn’s role on this team. There are plenty of options at PR. There is a very deep receiving core which hurts Ginn’s value. Randy Moss in particular has performance incentives. His potential value to this team and the his affect on the defense even in the preseason, leads me to believe the team will put him on the field .
Now you have Crabtree and Manningham. Both are signed beyond this year. In Williams you have an established receiver who can also KR/PR. Owusu has had a good camp by many accounts. Maybe Ginn is the trade option. It’s just my opinion though.
We’ll know in 7 days though and I am super stoked for Sept 9th!!!
….the last and only time MM returned a punt in a professional game was in 2005 at Michigan for 17 yrds………….why would you think he should return punts now on a team looking to win now?
Hey one…When did Michigan become a professional team?…LoL…
@ oneniner,
I don’t think Manningham will return punts. I am instead saying that to make this team, Ginn would have to have value somewhere else. Manningham trumps him in the receiving game as does Williams. Both are “capable” of returning punts. You also have LaMichael “capable” of returning punts. That drives down the Ginn value to the team.
…..dude….you just don’t get it…….
Medic
I’m nearly done trying to predict JH personnel. I thought Swain is off the team long before TC. Then he was the best WR in game 1.
I would agree with you, but JH doesn’t do predictable things (see giving AS another shot last year).
I really could see JH changing the starting WR lineup depending on who we play. And it has nothing to do with benching any of them.
@ Jack
I think Div I went semi-pro right after WWII; still is!
….that response was to Jack….
@Medic…….could be wrong but it’s a no-brainer that we carry 6 WR’s……..not just cause of the high talent, but just the fact that we had no WR deserving of pro-bowl conversation after a 13-3 and missing the SB on bad luck season…….6 WR’s is very easy to foresee…
…get what oneniner…that you are a goof…oh I get it….
@Medic:
I doubt Harbaugh/Baalke want someone merely “capable” of returning punts. I think they want someone who can excel at it.
What player would you put on the team in Ginn’s place, and how would that player provide more value than Ginn does as a returner?
Medic,
There is no change to the IR rules. They were thrown out because the NFLPA wouldn’t agree to some other conditions the NFL wanted. It also looks like Jacobs injury is not long term and he’ll be back possibly for opening day.
I personally see no way Ginn doesn’t make the team. They’ve made a concerted effort to get him more snaps as a WR, he is far and away the best kick returner on the team and one of the top 5 in the league for that matter. I don’t think Manningham has ever returned a kick or punt since entering the league and certainly hasn’t here, so I doubt he’s even been thought of in that capacity by the Coaching staff.
I agree with you that the Niners won’t keep 4 QB’s. That doesn’t seem like a Harbaugh thing to do. He’s trying to find guys who can be flexible and do many things; taking up two spots with QB’s who will be inactive every week seems like something he’d be strongly opposed to. At this point I would give the edge to Tolzien, but Johnson has a history with Harbaugh and played pretty well in Houston, so that is as Harbaugh likes to describe it: a fluid situation. I also doubt they’ll be able to trade either of them. Teams aren’t generally looking to give away draft picks for backups who are likely to be cut anyway.
If they keep 6 WR’s, which I agree with Maiocco is likely, they most likely only keep one on the practice squad. One of Owusu, Tymes and Palmer will make it to the practice squad and possibly two.
Grant, Tell Maiocco nice try but this is how the 53 man will shake out. As an added bonus I will also give the depth chart : )
QB (3)
A Smith – Kaepernick – Tolzien
RB (6)
Gore – Hunter – Jacobs – L James- Cartwright
Miller (FB)
TE (3)
V Davis – Walker – Reuland **Dobbs will play in Heavy sets**
OL (8)
Staley
Iupati – Looney
Goodwin – Kilgore
Boone – L Davis
A Davis **Boone is swing Tackle**
DL (7)
McDonald – Dobbs – Tukuafu
Sopoaga – Williams
J Smith – Ricky Jean Francois
OLB (4)
Brooks – Bakhtiari
Smith – Haralson
ILB (4)
Willis – Grant
Bowman – Gooden
CB (5)
Rogers – Culliver
Brown – Cox – Brock
S (4)
Goldson – Spillman
Whitner – Robinson
Specialists (3)
Akers
Lee
Jennings
Only possible change will be if they decide to carry Person with OL, in which case they will remove Bakhtiari.
I agree with his PS, but since I have Reuland on the 53 along with Williams, I would replace them with Nelms and Tony Jerrod-Eddie.
@Jack:
I think your roster is more likely than Barrows. If I made any change it would be to add a 9th OL in place of either Tukuafu or Bakhtiari. Only protecting 8 OL makes me nervous. It seems like Tukuafu may be the odd man out on the DL, but I really have no clue what they think of him. Bakhtiari’s strength is supposed to rushing the passer, but I think I’d rather see Dobbs in on passing downs that him.
I also have no real opinion on Tolzien vs. Johnson for the No. 3 QB spot. The argument for Johnson is that if Smith goes down, Kaepernick isn’t ready yet, and Johnson probably is the best answer for 1-2 games. The argument for Tolzien is that it would be nice to see what he could do with some more coaching. He seems like he may have a higher ceiling.
No Cam Johnson on the practice squad? Do you envision them cutting him or putting him on the IR?
*more likely than Maiocco’s
*strength is supposed to be rushing the passer
Jack, good stuff. I agree I don’t see them keeping 4 QB’s. I’d like to see them keep Reuland but don’t think they will. Where I differ with you is at RB. I like Rock, but believe they will go with youth and ADix makes the team. Rock will be 33 in December.
Claude,
I hear you with the O Line, which is why i mention them possibly going with Person over Bakhtiari. Also, with Hall on the PS that could in effect be the 9th o lineman. Grant has mentioned that Tukuafu is a coaches favorite.
As for Johnson I think they hide him on the IR this season.
That’s quite possible Hofer. If you have 2 guys of equal ability I would always go with the younger guy. Question is, Is Dixon a better runner AND blocker than Rock?
@Jack:
We are too much in agreement on this. Where is the fun in that?
Your mother was a hamster and your father smelled of elderberries.
I fart in your general direction.
@cluade
I don’t want to talk to you no more, you empty headed animal food trough wiper
LMAO Claude! Isn’t it true that your family was the basis for Darwin’s Theory?
The San Fransisco 49ers will keep 4 qb’s. Heard it hear first. My “sources” never let me down. ;-)
Looks pretty good to me Jack. I concur with Claude that it is a more likely roster than Maiocco’s, but who knows? I think they’ll likely keep 9 Olineman at the expense of a Dlineman or OLB, but they have flexibility thanks to Dobbs being able to do so many things. Last year they kept something like 3 ST’s specialists besides the kickers and Jennings so Colin Jones may even make it at the expense of one of these guys.
@Jack:
Actually, I think many would say that the continuation of the Balls’ family genetic code tends to disprove Darwin’s “survival of the fittest” theory.
@Txtree:
Is there someone else up there we can talk to?
LMAO!! You are on fire Claude ; )
Self deprecating Darwinism. You are the man Claude.
@claude
Oh, but you can’t expect to wield supreme executive power just because some watery tart threw a sword at you
All you guys are in great pre season form, except maybe Claude, he is in mid season form. Great stuff tonight.
@Claude
That’s called propogation of error :)
WR (6)
Crabtree – Williams
Moss – Manningham – Ginn – Jenkins
I brought up a possible scenario when the PM story first broke. I guessed that the Harbaugh/Balke strategy was to force the hands of the NFC West by feigning interest in Peyton Manning.
They forced Arizona out of the Manning picture by showing interest. They forced Seattle to sign Flynn. They forced St Louis to draft and sign Defensive players.
The results of all that is this as of 8/24/2012: Seattle isn’t sure who will start. They signed Flynn (3 years 19.5 million), but there is talk about Russell Wilson at 5’9″ beating out Flynn.
Arizona doesn’t know who their starting QB is either. It could be Skelton, it could be Kolb. Either way, they weren’t able to address their issues at QB since Manning was removed from the equation.
St. Louis drafted and signed defensive-mindedly. (if that’s a word) They left themselves no answers at the run defense which ranked among the worst in the league. Their LB’s are a bunch of no names who are more acclimated at stopping the pass than stopping the run. Since the draft, they have feverently tried to sign bigger DE’s to address the run.
I’d like to see a reporter actually take a look at the damage just feigning interest in Manning did to the rest of the NFC West and ask Jim Harbaugh if that was the intention all along. I think that interest was worth far more to the continued success of the 49ers in this division than what could have been done with PM in the 2-3 years he has left in the league. Salary cap issues are going to plague Seattle and Az for years to come.
He won’t get credit for it, but I’m still a conspiracy theorist believer on this one anyways.
I too have contemplated such a master plan, and while 98.9% of these “conpiracy theories” are imagined…I believe when you consider the source, Coach Harbaugh…the odds are it indeed was a Master Plan.
Good points. Whether it was intended or not, the damage was done. I’d be interested to know if you can pretend to be interested in a player in the NFL only to handicap the opponent, admit it, and avoid fines. I know with the Rooney Rule, a violation is $200,000. This might have to wait for NFL films to take the topic up 30 years from now.
medic
Whether or not the Niners pursue PM, the Cards were still going to evaluate Kolb vs. Skelton vs. anybody else. Seattle was going to look into another QB as well.
Everything that has happened would have happened if the Niners never evaluated PM. Seattle is still stupid (sign Flynn for that much money after the guy played in what 2 games?) either way. AZ has a QB controversy in the midst either way. We are still the team to beat either way.
DS
Big clue with Flynn was the Dolphins didnt pursue him. The headcoach being Flynns QB coach with the Packers, didnt go after him – well that says a lot in my book.
undercenter
I don’t know much about him at all. But in no way do you give a guy that much money when he has barely played and has the advantage of all the Packer weapons to help him out. Add to that the Lions D at the end of the year was an embarrassment. That is bad business flat out.
I would agree with that, SO much of that type of stuff goes on behind the proverbial ‘closed doors’.
It’s just like blocking someone who just cleared waivers in baseball, preventing the other team from getter better is absolutely part of the game plan for front office’s across the league, at least the ‘good’ teams.
Alex Smith ranked #17 of list of 32 starting QBs in the league over at ESPN (Clayton). Yep, on the wrong side of the the median. No surprise there. Certainly living up that #1 pick status.
We also have the #1 MLB, the #1 DE\DT hybrid, #1 P, #PK and many others top 10 at their position.
What’s the point of your post?
Try a little reading comprehension. I’m not going to explain what #1 pick means to you.
Last year he was ranked in the high 20′s. Means nothing, other than Clayton gets people to read it. Jaworkski ranked Smith #16 so he’s probably where he should be.
befitting of a guy picked #1 overall, huh? he has set this franchise backwards in more ways than one.
@Fourth and Alex:
I know you are only trolling, but I am looking for a good laugh. Please educate us as to how, exactly, Alex Smith has “set this franchise back in more ways than one.”
I’d say 16 and rising is about right. Good times.
Seems kind of high, more like 22 or 23.
Giants playing the Bearst tonight, now we can watch and remind ourselves why Eli is so darn good and Alex is just a plain Jane.
Yes, Neal, you can, but some here would wonder why that gives you pleasure. It’s OK, free country and all that, just seems to me like wallowing in misery. I guess when our D starts walloping fools, then you and I will be cheering the same thing. Go Niners
Tuna,
If our offense can be as 1/2 as good as our defense we will be in good shape.
Russell Wilson of the Hawks does look impressive at this point. This guy can run, run, run. Just threw a nice TD. Turbin is running very well also. Hawks looking decent against the Chiefs. Four possesions – 3 FG one TD. Hmmm sounds familiar.
Hawks looking real good against the Chiefs. 6 possesions 6 scores. Turbin running very well. I think the Hawks found their QB in Wilson.
2 areas the Hawks are better than us, their secondary and WR’s. They are big and physical and can run at both positions.
They will be a force to reckon with for the NFC West tittle.
Totally agree Prime, they are looking very impressive right now. They are going to give us a run for for the West tittle this year.
Carroll has them playing well. If they ever figure out how to play on the road they could be dangerous!
This Turbin guy along with Lynch they are going to have a fine running attack. This Wilson can also run the ball like a back. T.O. just made a nice catch. Playing on the road is tough but this isnt the same Hawk team of last year. I am impressed
I’m impressed to Under but no running attack scares me. We have the best run defense in the league.
Where I’m impressed is their WR’s getting separation and shielding off defenders with their size.
Both Rodgers and Brown are small, could be a factor?
Until proven otherwise I agree we stop the run. I already have expressed a little doubt our pass defense see what happens. This Wilson guy is similar to Vick he can run. From what I can tell this is going to be a dangerous team. But its pre season who knows. They have just scored on special teams, defense, offense. 3rd qtr 44 – 7
There well coached and play great at home, almost to the point where they are world beaters.
There are no easy games in the NFL and as we have seen, even as bad as the NFC West looks, every game is tight.
Their schedule is similar to ours. They get the , Packers, Patriots at home. Lions on the road. They dont play the Saints.
pshhhhhhhhhhhhhhh f the sea chickens!!!! That QB is 5’7” so just squeeze the pocket and keep him there. Do you see how he throws the ball? big rainbows….Our Lb’s will keep him in check. I’m not worried. Let’s not over rate this weak ass team. F them!!
He shows a lot of poise but I think at least a few or more of his passes would have been intercepted or batted away by better defensive backs. I know they’re the kind of passes that Grant loves from QB’s but frankly most of his passes are being forced into covered receivers and most likely will get picked or batted down when going against stiffer competition.
Plus he’s a nugget. Eventually defenses will figure out how to force him to throw from the pocket and he’ll struggle to pass over those 6’5″+ lineman.
He can prove me wrong but I’ll wait until he’s won a few games against 4 quarters of starting “good” defenses before I have much higher of an opinion of the kid.
When and if he gets thrown into real competition, we’ll have a better idea. Kc still sucks and I heard they were missing half of their secondary.
We’ve got great DE’s and the best Lb’s in the game, so I’m not worried about him. Plus, he’s small and will take a lot of hits.
As far as the WR’s, not worried either. If Rodgers and Culliver can hang with Megatron and cruz, we’ll be fine.
My question is, Who’s going to stop our running game and who’s going to run against us? That’s where games are won!
Not according to all the haters whi think passing over 300 yards a game is the only way to win in the NFL.
They think it’s fantasy football but the only fantasy is tryin to find them a clue!
games are won in the trenches, PERIOD!!!
Which trenches were the ’99, ’00 and ’01 Rams winning in when they set passing records and dominated teams left and right through the air?
@ Coffee
At the risk of exposing my Swiss cheese memory banks, wasn’t the Rams OL pretty good in those years?I recall Timmerman did a better job on BY than most, and they had a good LT too. Faulk as an outlet and Warner’s quick release helped a lot, but when the OL slipped is when Martz’ system began to show how dangerous it can be to QBs.
That being said, NE last season might be a good example for your arguement; they won a bunch of games and went deep in POs with an OL in decline and a p-poor Defense.
Don’t forget Orlando Pace.
They had to have a great OL to give the receivers enough time to run those ridiculous Martz routes. When I hear the games are won in the trenches I think of the lines on both sides of the ball and a running game primarily which is why I threw out the passing example.
@ Grant
Bruins Homer! Ha! But you’re right, Pace was the LT I was thinking about and was a Pro-Bowler.
You’re thinking of Jonathan Ogden. Pace went to Ohio St.
Right you are, Grant, but you see, I had a lot of fun in the 60s…….and well, I’d do it again.
Bless you.
And on the lighter side of the Fighting blog; Nbc reported about Manning and his thoughts on this last offseason. Blah blah blah. The real story is how in touch good ol NBC is with the 49ers.
With the 49ers preparing to host the Broncos on Sunday in a preseason game: Opening sentence of the post. Way to stay in touch NBC……NO Respect!
Lol yup they are right on top of it.
lol, they’re in Denver…
I’ve got to laugh. Does anybody know how tall this guy Wilson for the Seahwaks actually is? Every time I see his name mentioned he gets shorter: 5-11. Then it’s 5-9. Now someone got him at 5-7. By the time we play him he’ll be about 4’9″ and interviewing with Chelsea Handler for off-season work!
Oh, and btw for the PC Police, I’m a short guy, so I can take that shot! Doug Flutie used to say he knew he was tall enough to play football because his legs were long enough to reach the ground.
Good one tuna lol
I do believe he is 5′ 11″ and yes he is tall enough cuz his legs are also long enough to touch the ground. Very funny Tuna.
By the time the 49ers play him there will be a lot of film, plus remember Chryst’s brother was his OC at Wisconsin.
The 9er D will know his strengths and tendencies and eat him for lunch.
I made a chelsea handler joke to Chewie and he didn’t get it.
DS:
“What are your thoughts on MC being able to catch the high ones (‘I like the
high ones!’) better than the ones that are more “on target”? I think MC does great catching the ball high where he has to reach up above his head (not have to jump) than he does throws between the numbers. Thinking back to last year, AS threw high to MC a lot more than any other WR (he throws low to VD), and I think he does it on purpose because MC is better at catching the high ones.”
@DS
Are you suggesting with this comment that AS throws “high” passes to MC by design? Ahhhhhh – ahhhhhhh – ahhhhhh – hahahahahahaha!
And his “low” passes to VD are accurately planned?
Ohhhhhhh, ohhhhhh, ohhhhaaaaa, hahahahahaha!
I know AS improved on his accuracy last season, but being able to put the ball precisely in the WR’ sweet spot is definitely one for the ages DS (l0l).
Thanks for the morning laugh DS, keep’em comin’ bud!
AES
You don’t know football at all do you?
A QB can purposely place a ball so that it is purposefully not on the numbers for a variety of reasons.
There was one specific play in which VD cut across the middle of the field where S roam, and one of them had a mark on VD. AS threw the ball low so that only VD could catch it. And to make sure that no matter what, that Safety didn’t crush VD sending him on the IR list. Had AS done the “on the numbers pass” he would have exposed VD to a vicious hit. It is called ball placement. And only a fool thinks it has to be on the numbers 100% of the time.
The announcers even mentioned it. Maybe you should pay attention while watching the games every once in awhile.
…..how come no one is talking about this or is it not true…..
“And, having watched Manning play in the pre-season….. The smarts are still there and he’s great an nickel-and-diming defenses. But every time he tries to go more than 15-yards he has to put his whole body into it and he’s getting a lot floaters and wounded ducks, three of which have been picked.
He looks more like some weak-armed QB from Cabbage U than the Peyton Manning of old…”
Undercenter and I discussed it above. Let’s see how long PM plays tomorrow. Something to analyze…
Nothing to discuss. It’s pre-season. PM has to definitely work off some rust, but it’s to early to tell if he will fail or succeed.
We’ll have a better take by the mid-way point of the season.
AES, don’t be a buzz kill. LOL
http://blog.sfgate.com/49ers/2012/08/22/coaches-say-smith-was-always-their-qb/
…but of course all the coahes are lying vato’s……………………
You are so gulible, you really believe that piece of propaganda.. Called saving face.
Yes, we all know that it is very common for NFL head coaches to evaluate HOF QB’s at midnight, with hoodies on to protect their identities. It’s also very common for franchises to allow their QB’s to test the FA waters, like the team did with Smith. The only thing that was a little weird was the fact that Smith said he was happy with the teams contract offer and he looked forward to competing with Peyton, yet he still visited with the Dolphins. The good thing is Harbaugh will have a Pro Bowl QB throwing to a WR with the greatest hands he has ever seen.
Good one Big P, love that last line.
Well said Big P, spoken like a guy lost in the woods!
Didnot realize that Prime gets internet access in his Mommy’s basement. He is moving on up.
Neal I told you Indont speak Dumbinese but Jack said he would teach me.
When’s the supplemental draft smart guy?
Buwhahahahahaha!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Prime trailer trash time, I didnot know they had basements in trailers. What are you hiding down their pervy. ahahahahha
“Do you speak English, I can’t understand the words that are comin out of your mouth Fitzbob”
I told you I don’t speak Dumbinese!
Whatever Fatnich. Do you get AC in the trailer basement?
Fitzperv, call me next week, I should have my Dumbinese dictionary by the. In the meantime try posting more photos on the blog so you can look like supreme pervo! Later clown, Saturday night and no losers allowed!
Fatnich Slime
You talk Smithinese which is a lower Engish level then Dumbines. Enjoy your Saturday night in eating Mac and Cheese in your’s Mommy’s basement.
Stop with the ‘vato’ crap. Seriously, grow up.
….why vato…….
Prime Time says:
August 24, 2012 at 5:07 pm
What an idiot! No clue anymore what he is talkin about!
DS94everXev says:
August 24, 2012 at 5:36 pm
AES
Questioning credibility Points:
1. I thought you said you don’t care about it either way. So why point it out to somebody not having it if you don’t put any stock in it?
2. You being the “All in” guy. Last year, you changed your stance on AS at least once a week. You still don’t defend any player like you have MC. TG’s WR’s skills have been put down here. Why aren’t you telling those people to be “All in”? Because you don’t care. Only here to fight.”
@DS/Prime (the Members Only MC Hate Club) lol.
Still a little hurt over my decrying your brilliant little 49er rah-rah cheer that you and DS so eagerly wave your pom-poms too?
Man-up and get over it Prime, this is football bud (lol). You two “Summer’ Eve” users need to develop tough skin!
And DS, I have concluded that you can explain the meaning of ‘hate’ all you want and still be guilty of a loathing hatred of MC.
And what is it with you and ‘bunch panties’ anyway bud?
You better hope Chris Hensen of Dateline: To Catch a Predator doesn’t read this blog (lol)!
I believe in the 49er Brand. That means that unlike you two Stooges, I don’t believe in just ONE player.
Guess what? Players come and go. Do you stop being fans because the inevitable happens?
So just a word of advise so you two can prepare to embrace a truth:
Alex Smith’ and MC’ careers will end one day. Will you still be fans when that happens?
I will, because the 49er brand will continue without them.
“ALL IN” (with ALL 49er players)!
…AES – you don’t dispute both DS and Prime were fans before Alex and MC?
Duh, they are probably 1 1/2 to 2 timers older. Another fantastic deep thought from our sponsor One Lame.
Actually DS never saw Joe Montana play as he constantly compares the great one to the crappy one.
Let’s just say that their own convo’ around here convicts them.
Comparing AS to JM is a pure sacriledge!
Hating on a 49er player who led the team in receptions is complete idiocy!
I’m not so sure that these two extremist (love AS/hate MC) can call themselves true fans pastg or present.
But that’s just one man’s opinion (lol).
I agree with one man’s opinion, also BS said he would rather have Alex Smith then Aaron Rodgers and Fouts and Marino are not elite QB’s. I think the Smithers other then DS would agree on all of the above.
AES
crab and I were having a pretty cool talk between us. You know the kind we did before you were all in. Then you showed up, and the insults come out.
That to me describes a hater no matter your specifics. Don’t you agree?
oneniner
AES is trying to prove to himself he’s a fan after years of fence sitting.
AES
“Comparing AS to JM is a pure sacrilege!”
1. Just to give you a quick lesson in government. It isn’t in the Constitution. You can compare AS to JM.
2. You sound like a religious nutcase. How about “I disagree with DS comparing JM with AS”. Notice how I keep having to change what you write into something a lot less confrontational, yet still gets the same point across? Haters can’t think in such terms. I’m giving you free lessons here.
And, by the way. Adam in the middle of last year or so, had a nice long post comparing AS 2011 to JM in 1981. You weren’t All in then, so it is ok you didn’t freak out. Tell me, if anybody thought about comparing MC to JR, would that be equally pure sacrilege? Take a chill pill man.
“Hating on a 49er player who led the team in receptions is complete idiocy!”
Yeah. Margin is 5. And the only hating is you hating anybody who has a differing opinion on a guy who hasn’t lived up to his status as the best WR in college football history. AS by the way, was never considered the best QB in college history.
Neal
Why don’t you become a Chargers fan. Or a Dolphin fan. Or a GB fan. You love them so much. You hate our QB so much. Why torture yourself?
Oh…That’s right. You are a hater. Just hating thru life. Gotcha. Please continue your incessant rants of hatred.
DS,
You hate Crabs, I dislike Smith, why am I a hater and you are not? Also the Chargers and Green Bay have better QB’s then Smith, the Dolphins are starting a rookie. So got to give AS that. As Meatlaof said 2 out of 3 aint bad.
I think Y.A. Tittle should start over Charlie Connerly on Sunday, although neither one is as good as Frankie was……..!
I guess this kinda stuff is endless
Hey Brotha,
Was it Steve Spurrier or George Mira who threw a touchdown with their non-throwing arm?
OMG! Not sure. Hadn’t thought about Mira in a while. Mira had a weird little natural bend in his long passes; sometimes they’d look slightly off line until they dropped in. Of course a few dropped into the DBs hands, but oh well.
Brotha,
We had some real gems at QB back in the day. How about names like Earl Morall, Scott Bull, Norm Snead, Bob Waters and of course the not to distant past, Steve DeBerg.
John Brodie had the longest run in a 49er jersey of 17 seasons.
But the legends are #1 Joe Montana, and a distant #2 Steve Young. Jeff Garcia was a fomidable player.
DS94everXev says:
August 25, 2012 at 6:15 pm
AES
“crab and I were having a pretty cool talk between us. You know the kind we did before you were all in. Then you showed up, and the insults come out.
That to me describes a hater no matter your specifics. Don’t you agree?
oneniner
AES is trying to prove to himself he’s a fan after years of fence sitting.”
@DS
Carry on with your cool convo with Crab. I was just humoring ‘oneparolee’ on the question he asked.
But i’d prefer to sit on my comfortable plush sofa watching a 49er game instead of sitting on a fence bud.
You don’t comprehend the difference between being a fan of the 49ers while still being disappointed with the play of certain players do you?
I have never been a fence-sitter or as ‘oneparolee’ calls flipping. I was disappointed in AS when he was having poor performances. How that equates to fence-sitting is baffling, unless you think I should cheer for poor performances simply because it was your golden boy AS?
If you call not cheering poor performances fence-sitting, what do you call someone who hates on the teams leading WR?
Hmmmmmm, just saying DS (lol).
dude you are so flip flopper to the max vato…….beaking hate then turning a different opinion…….your the best
at it vato…….
hey Heat how the hell are you?
AES
“I have never been a fence-sitter or as ‘oneparolee’ calls flipping”
Really? Grant is this really AES? You changed your mind on a weekly basis depending on how AS played in your mind. And you were strangely absent defending AS from the haters last year as well. It is ok. You weren’t “All in” then. You flipped. Now you are “All in”.
Running tab on how long it takes you to no longer be “All In” with every Niner player. If KW fumbles the ball a few times, are you “All in” with him? If MC drops a few passes, are you “All in”? Why of course you are.
That is why people call you flip-flopper.
Or if AS has a bad game which is inevitable, well see how All In, Mr. All In is.
For some reason this guy thinks we just showed and have not read his comments before this year? Fact is he was always skeptical about everything, turning one way and then another depending on his mood that day. There is definite substance to him being called flip flopper, he pretends it never happened. Reminds me of 23welcher bet and Bayareas absolute and can’t be wrong opinion.
Classic haters!
*understand
Latino Heat says:
August 25, 2012 at 7:32 pm
“…its not my fault your a redneck……and just because you live in the US….does not mean everyone else does dip stick…..get some culture besides hotdogs and beer……vato……..”
@vato-pacheco
You are miles apart on the redneck ID bud. Not even close (lol).
But if you believe that you see spiritual images on a burned tortilla, I guess you could believe that I’m a redneck!
A little sensitive ah bud? Maybe you’re not ready to play with the big boys yet.
Stay in DS’ and Prime’ intern program for a while before you try swinging for the fences around here. Oh, and that English 101 will help you as well (lol).
You sound like a 10 yearold girl, why do you keep bringing me up in your posts? I thought we were done? Can’t get enough, bitter much floppy?
Prime
No kidding. AES can’t separate people out. He is full on hating mode Prime. Just hate. Don’t matter who or for what reasons.
I think he is worried about Crabtree’s play this year and looking like one of his other hater jockeys who have been 0 for eternity since being on here.
I really do want Crabtree to have a breakout year, seriously! Will he? I don’t know. That does not mean I hate him or think he can’t. I just haven’t seen enough to make an informed prediction. I would never say he can’t, I’m just skeptical.
If MC has a breakout year and does it at when it matters, I don’t see us not winning the Super Bowl. Anybody who thinks I don’t want that to happen is a moron.
That’s Mr. floppy to you sir (lol).
I’m “ALL IN” for ALL 49er players bud, how can I be bitter?
But it’s noble of you to come to ‘vato-pachuco’ rescue. You guys need to work on your snipping skills here. If you want to talk football I can certainly accomodate you, but if you Stooges would rather call me names well, let-r-rip bud.
The one caveat with you guys is that you can dish it out, but get highly sensitive when someone responds.
So, let’s try football for the sake of keeping it sane ok?
How long do yo think PM will play tomorrow?
I personally think he goes a couple of series before being pulled.
Also, I don’t see the 49ers taking unnecessry hard shots on PM if given a chance. PM will receive some pressure from our D-line but like I said, no hard hits.
I believe AS and RM will hook-up for some big gains as well!
Bu I don’t believe that we keep our Starters in for more then a quarter.
A. Dixon will need to come up huge, or R. Cartwright will need to fumble about three times for AD to make the team. But in Dixon’ case it may be to little too late either way.
I agree with everything you said. The starters will maybe play the first half. I dont think we will see a lot of the new weapons and their role in this new offense.
I think the 1st team oline might play into the third quarter and the 2nd team defense will play mostly the entire game. With some key injuries/guys its too bad we won’t see where we are really at. It seems like this entire preseaon we are guessing as to how ready we are for GB and where we have improved.
Prime
Last year, the starters didn’t play as much as the other teams starters. I have no idea how long JH will leave them in there. I can see him leaving them in for a quarter/half/3 quarters. I can also see him not playing (at least AS) more than a drive or two. Letting CK get in some time with the starters in case we need him this year so that he can get some live reps against a real #1 D with our starters. That would help the team out more than having AS play a lot in my opinion. On the radio, JH seemed more concerned about plays than quarters played.
Nick
I know you appreciate good ST. As do I. Cartwright with the Raiders was awesome on ST. Better than Dixon is I think. I hope they don’t cut either, but Cartwright is a proven great ST player. We have Brandon Jacobs who appears to be the short yardage back. So, it is between Cartwright and AD ST play. And Cartwright is better.
DS,
It could play out that way. But let’s not forget that Dixon also plays FB and is younger. Even if RC gets the edge on special teams, it will be a tough decision regarding which RB to keep.
AES,
I’m a little higher on A. Dixon than you. I see him making the team over Cartwright. He’s more versatile, is younger, and is a different type of RB from Cartwright who is similar to FG in size. Nonetheless, Dixon needs to have a solid showing the next 2 games.
Yeah, but Dixon was on the roster when they signed Cartwright and Jacobs, so I think he’s got an uphill battle. I will say that A.Dix put his mind in just the right place to compete. Remember last year when T. Mays was trying to prove himself? He pouted and sulked.
I like Cartwright because he is a better RB than Boobie.
Stay healthy today, Niners.
True dat. Very sad for young Mr. DeCastro with his injury; bummer for him and doesn’t help Big Ben or his running game.
Interesting column by Inman from the Merc. 14 players will be cut tomorrrow and two of them on the bubble will be Williams and Johnson in his opinion. Who the hell knows what will be really up in Santa Clara tomorrow.
http://blogs.mercurynews.com/49ers/2012/08/26/final-audition-before-14-players-cut-monday-heres-a-position-look-at-the-bubble-boys/
That’s funny Neal. He is usually decent, but that was a piece even you or I could have put together : )
In reading ESPN’s write up of the Seattle/KC game I came across a line (approx quote): T. Owens had a couple of drops before making one 40 yard grab.
We understand that he’s in the twilight of his career now, but those drops have been one of his signatures even throughout an overall productive career.
It’s a WTF? Deal for me. Lack of concentration?
I admit to having a personal bias against his antics, devisveness and narcissism, but if I had a vote I would never give him a first ballot vote for the HoF. Ultimately I don’t think I would keep him out, but attitude does count ( can you say Teamwork?) and there is a difference between him and the likes of J.Rice, Warfield, Ward, Swann, Largent, Belitnikoff, etc. Plus, how many of those guys had as many drops?
Totally disagree with the first ballot comment. Attitudes don’t matter. Numbers do. Although he has been a clown his numbers are second to only mr rice. First ballot All the way Brotha. No doubt
Ok, amigo, I can respect that opinion but I’ll continue to disagree; for me the combo of attitude and drops is the problem. Mr. Moss has had some attitude issues himself, but not the drops. I’d vote for RM 1st ballot regardless of what happens here this year. Again, maybe I just can’t forgive going after your teammate; TO will get votes.
Prime Time says:
August 25, 2012 at 9:31 pm
I think he is worried about Crabtree’s play this year and looking like one of his other hater jockeys who have been 0 for eternity since being on here.
I really do want Crabtree to have a breakout year, seriously! Will he? I don’t know. That does not mean I hate him or think he can’t. I just haven’t seen enough to make an informed prediction. I would never say he can’t, I’m just skeptical.
DS94everXev says:
August 25, 2012 at 9:45 pm
If MC has a breakout year and does it at when it matters, I don’t see us not winning the Super Bowl. Anybody who thinks I don’t want that to happen is a moron.
@DS/Prime
I believe that I’ve said on more than a few occassions that if MC can’t cut-it he shouldn’t be on the field, period. I have no emotinal ties with any player. If they don’t perform they’re out IMO.
The only reason I’ve defended MC is because of his team leading receving stats. But my opinion doesn’t matter in the large scheme of things. But the opinions of his coaches and teammates should. G.Roman called MC courageous for playing last season with a surgically repaired foot. Harbaugh said that MC was one of the hardest workers in the OTA.’
His teammates have never said anything negative of him.
But as soon as MC got hurt on the 1st day of TC, you two swooped down like hungry vultures. And the nit-picking has continued on.
Prime you have gone on record of saying to the so-called AS haters, that they are just waiting for AS to fail so they can all say “I told you so.”
So you often take on the AS defend mode. Hey that’s cool. It’s your right as a concerned fan for your QB. But you have this very thing with MC by bringing up his past and tracking every negative comment about him. Calling MC’ numbers as “meaningless” is inexcusable IMO, but that’s your right. But I will defend MC’ numbers as a fan which is my right.
Also, I personally don’t feel that after AS’ very successful season that he needs defending. His record should speak for itself. But you two get very defensive when anyone says that AS still needs improvement in some areas of his game. He himself has made this comment, so go figure?
But back to MC. I’m not at all worried about his production because I believe that his numbers will be vastly improved from last season. With help coming from established WR’ in the form of RM, MM, and a sprinkling of KW and TGjr, MC will benefit.
Now if you and DS feel you need to follow this up with name-calling then go for it. I can handle anything you throw my way and throw a few curves of my own. But I would hope that we can have some reasonable conversations that center more on football than the juvenile banter.
Tough break for DeCastro, I was looking forward to seeing how he played this year.
I am an avid hater on animal abuse, but today donkeys are going to get abused. Starting with their leader, biiig mistake going for the money. Harbaugh says “sweep the leg” wheeeew! Time to light up the grill.
hahaha ‘sweep the leg’ love the KK reference.
Cobra Kai!
On a side note, thank god we don’t have a clown for an owner like Jim Irsay. In his latest twitter snafoo he’s actually calling out fans to go buy their own team and run it how they would like. First, nice job taunting your own fan base and second and my favorite part; he didn’t even buy the team but inherited it from his father. The guy is a serious pud knocker.
The ‘chickens cut T.O.
Vernon Davis’ brother Vontae got traded to the Colts, too.
That was Irsay’s big trade?
Apparently.
A 2nd rounder sounds awfully high for a player that everyone knew the team didn’t wan’t anymore. I heard at one point that they might even release him.
Vontae’s still just 24 years old.
Good for Vontae. Now both of the Davis brothers will be in the playoffs this year…
How good will Andrew Luck be this year? He already looks like a top-10 QB.
Aldon Smith didnt make the trip. Too bad he needs the work but his health is very important.
I realize his potential but it’s essentially a second round pick for a player that had been demoted to the Nickle back roll for the team. I question whether or not the Dolphins truly had enough leverage to warrant Irsay feeling like he had to give up a #2 for the kid. Most will say clearly they must have since they got it but I’m not convinced.
He is making NFL defenses look like UCLA : )
Seriously though, he is poised to do some great things this year. That defense is still pretty darn good, and don’t sleep on Brown in the run game. I see them winning 10 games.
Andrew Luck is more seasoned as a rookie then AS after 7 seasons, he looks so comfy in the pocket then AS will ever be. Oh yea I know Andrew Luck has only one offensive coordinator so it’s not fair to compare. Comparing Luck to Smith is comparing Lobster to Spam.
AL is the most celebrated 1st round pick since PM in 1998. That year PM passed for 3700 yds on a poor team that had a 3-13 record. AL following the legend of PM is a difficult task, but if anyone can do it, it is AL. Good luck to him.
Neal,
You have something against Spam? Sure it’s average, but if surrounded by the proper condiments it can get the job done.
In paradise spam is a staple. Makes the Hawaiian people very happy with their local grind. LOL
lol at Jack, I just saw your Spam report. I hope to see you soon on the food network.
LaCanfora says “Vontae Davis yet to realize potential, and needed a change of scenery…” He was only drafted 3 years ago and he already needs a change of scenery. Good luck with that kid.
Quick heads up for any other fans who find themselves in Lower California today; the Niners’ game will be shown down here on channel 11 at 1pm. GO NINERS!