SANTA CLARA – The first-team offense and defense mainly faced scout teams (third stringers) at today’s practice, so most of the starters looked unstoppable. With that in mind, here was the best of the best from Tuesday.
At one point in a red-zone seven-on-seven drill, Alex Smith threw four touchdowns over a five-pass span.
Randy Moss caught two of those TD passes. He was being covered by undrafted rookie Deante Purvis both times, and twice Moss beat him to the inside.
Later, Alex Smith threw a beautiful 33-yard touchdown pass to Mario Manningham, who was being trailed by Purvis, deep down the sideline.
Manningham caught a few deep passes, and it seemed like every time he ran a route he was wide open. He’s taken fewer reps than the other receivers have in training camp, but when he’s played he’s looked like the receiver the Niners’ cornerbacks have the most difficulty covering.
Michael Crabtree has been tough for the cornerbacks to cover as well. Today he beat Carlos Rogers and Dashon Goldson in the end zone to catch a touchdown pass from Colin Kaepernick.
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Glad to hear the top three WR’s are all doing well. Havent heard negative comments about any of them yet (knock on wood).
Question for you Grant, does MC look lighter than last year? he seemed a bit smaller at fan fest, and look a bit quicker in and out of his cuts.
Yes, I agree with that.
I thought maybe my eyes were just fooling me. But he was able to create distance consistantly vs Rogers on 1v1. Thanks for answering. DS will appreciate hearing he took JR’s advice.
He might look smaller, but he isn’t.
http://blogs.mercurynews.com/49ers/2012/08/15/crabtree-on-49ers-wr-additions-you-need-that-depth-at-receiver/?utm_source=feedburner&utm_medium=feed&utm_campaign=Feed%3A+49ersHotRead+%2849ers+Hot+Read%29
Yes I love to hear that as well. It seems like Manningham should be starting over Ginn on that last released depth chart. I wonder how the coaches really feel about him.
I feel bad for that Purvis guy, everytime I read a practice summary the guy is getting beat by someone.
I read somewhere he hit on 23 of 25 passes. And the Crabtree catch was suppose to be a really nice catch. Good deal we need both of these guys to produce at a high level this year. Seems like Alex is connecting just fine with Moss, Manningham, and Crabs. If this plays out during the season the Niners will be one tough team to beat. Yes I know its only pre season and I do get a little hyped but thats okay the Niners are a damn good team. One good thing about the WR depth is Jenkins will be brought on slowly something we havnt been able to offer our rookies in the past few years.
From the looks of AJ it doesn’t seem he will see the field too much, assuming no injuries. He will be the 5th WR. He will be able to sit and learn though, but it seems he is at least a year away from being an every down WR.
I think thats a good thing. Its good for rookies to sit and watch and learn.
I think it is a good thing he won’t see much playing time. Like you said, more time to watch and learn from the vets and put on some weight.
Actually he will be the 6th receiver. I know, theres no way in hell we keep 6 recievers. i get it. but MC, RM, TGJ, KW, MM are all going to be on the roster this year. we will try to sneak palmer and Owasu onto the PS but mid season someone will pick him up if we dont!
interesting….AS going through reps of rcvrs wide open….make it second nature so when so when in games and a every so often wide open rcvr occurs it is just a routine throw without the emotion of pressure taking over the moment….
Great news!!!!! Alex will thrive in year two of this offense
Dietrich, while I am hesitant to agree completely, I do think we will see an improvement from Alex this year. If everyone on offense can improve a little, and the defense can continue to play at a high level, this team will be very hard to beat.
http://www.csnbayarea.com/football-san-francisco-niners/niners-talk/Alex-Smith-throwing-with-better-accuracy?blockID=757289&feedID=5936
I am scared straight that Keapernik is being groomed to take over for Alex Smith. This guy is so far from being a starter its unbelievable. I hope Harbaugh doesn’t let Colins draft status mark him a starter. He sucks and always will. You can take that to the bank.
What bank is that? Bank Of Horse Sh!t.
totally respectfully disagree, kap may not be ready yet…but hes no tebow, I believe this guy will be accurate, (and eventually) be a quick decision maker with the football. I still think he is in rookie status and believe that if he gets an oppurtunity, Harbaugh’s playbook will expand and morph into something very dangerous with his cannon of an arm an ability to make things happen on the move…just give the dude some time, hes gonna be alright
CK doesn’t suck. That’s just ignorant.
The guy had Camp Alex last year instead of a full training camp like he might have expected.
He’s raw but he’s got talent.
Are you the same clown on Sando’s blog? That explains this comment.
This clown keeps writing the same crap about CK, get a life already. Harbaugh worked him out, drafted him and is now developing him. Go kick rocks with your redneck rants.
you guys forget who’s writing this, It’s Freddy P soft!! so everything he’s saying is opposite! it’s sarcasm…
Isn’t Fred P Soft supposed to only tell everyone how great they are?
your a moron fred p, ck is a good quarterback you oviously dont know anything about football,it seems like you think you know more about scouting qb than mr harbough. next time you wanna say something ignorant and untrue do us a favorand keep it to yourself hater
Fred – what is with the over the top hate on Kaepernick?? He is a 2nd year player trying to be the backup and in two different stories you are bashing him like he was some super high priced free agent that was brought in to save the team.
AJ top draft pick; Owusu isn’t drafted but looks like a winner. Wasted first round pick if he’s that far away – several receivers have looked better.
when we drafted him, i dont think anyone in the FO expected him to be a solid contributor in the first year of his job. AJ should be following Moss around everywhere and learning all the football can without disrespecting moss!
Wasted 1st Rd pick? Congratulations oldman, you just made Harbaugh’s list! Don’t believe me? Just ask Stan.
What hooey you post.
Why don’t you give the guy a few years first before you blast him. Why don’t you give the benefit of a doubt to TB/JH who together got this boat righted in a lot less time than everybody said it would.
I hope Owusu sticks as well. Don’t know why you feel the need to bash AJ though in defeding him.
I’ll bet while Kaep develops that considerable talent, he’ll be used in spread packages with James, like LSU “Chinese Bandits” of the past. Put K Williams T Ginn D Walker and L Davis in that package and watch def coordinators gag. You just can’t prepare for that potential, and keep focus on power Gore, the three wideouts and V Davis. Harbaugh is in his element
Grant,
Can you share the remainder of the depth chart you received today with us?
There are no changes from last week as far as I can tell.
Anthony Dixon is not listed as a running back any more, he’s only a fullback.
Here’s the running back depth chart: Frank Gore, Kendall Hunter, Brandon Jacobs, LaMichael James, Rock Cartwright
Here’s the quarterback depth chart: Alex Smith, Colin Kaepernick, Josh Johnson, Scott Tolzien
Here’s the tight end depth chart: Vernon Davis, Delanie Walker, Konrad Reuland, Demarcus Dobbs, Garrett Celek, Nate Byham, Kyle Nelson, Gijon Robinson, Joe Sawyer
Thanks Grant. Are the WR’s the same as well?
Wide receivers are the same.
Thanks again. One last question. How do you see the 3rd TE spot playing out? Do you still think they will only carry 2 and Dobbs will come in as the three, or will Reuland make the squad, and Dobbs’ primary responsibility be in the heavy packages?
I don’t ever hear much about Vernon Davis or if they are throwing his direction much. VD is a freak. We all saw what he is capable of in the playoffs. He has the size and speed or more speed than Megatron, and yes I know he plays the tight end position…but with a line-backer on him he should be open and used much more often. I agree that AJ and LJ may not produce much this year. still a little baffled in these two picks. We already had carbon copies of them on the team in K Williams and Kendall Hunter. #firebaalke…just joshin’ my football friends. Go Niners.
Kaep has grown leaps & bounds from last pre-season.Also I remember a QB named Garcia whom looked good against “3rd & 4rth stringers”.Good young QB’s doing well against backups in the pre-season is usually indicative of a successful future.
Garcia never played against 3rd and 4th stringers. He came in as the backup from day 1.
I’ve said it before and I’m sure GB will expose just how behind the curve Rogers is and how Taylor Mays-esk Goldson is. Both of those guys seem to be victimized by all of our receiving core.
Super stoked that the offense is starting to hit on all cylinders.
Uh, Chris, Goldson made the Pro Bowl, Taylor Mays didn’t…..
So true. Goldson is a much bigger hitter and that’s what the fans vote on for safety. He just tends to revert back to taylor mays play of just hitting and not wrapping up. Some real architechs are on the schedule this year. I’m interested to see if he makes the pro bowl this year.
This organization is not afraid to pay their big stars on D. Patrick Willis is a great example. The FO didn’t give Goldson the money he wanted for a reason. They see some flaws he’d better address this year. He’ll be tested early and often. I hope he has some big answers for the critics in the FO.
omg another moron, did you see their games last year,and what curve are dg and cr behind both probowl caliber players. and you have the nerve to compare goldilocks to taylor mays they are not on the same planet when it comes to talent, you sir are ignorant. you should do your homework google some stuff and educate yourself, greenbay is gonna expose them really? we will see how much exposure aaron rodgers gets when one of them picks him off. i went to the fan fest and watched their practice and goldston stood out to me he looked like a wr catching everything. so very politely am sayin, your so behind the cure about knowing what your talikg about
@ Tuna, yes he did make the probowl. I think he had a great year and I’m not talking anything away from last year.
I think as Medic mentioned, big hits contributed to the probowl voting as well as the way the entire defense stood out last year.
@ Medic, I agree the front office didn’t pay the man. I think that speaks volumes for the assessment that he gets “lost” in coverage.
@ Alex, it’s just an opinion. I’m just pointing out things I am watching for. I’m not telling you there is no Santa Claus or that the Easter Bunny is on strike. I am merely saying that he will be tested this year. Greenbay is the first test. Aaron Rodger is great at orchestrating offense through the air. I think the weakest like on defense is our coverage crew. Now, even if they are the weakest link, our defense is still pretty phenominal. As I said though, just pointing out what I am watching for. It’s okay to hang those stalkings, Christmas is right on schedule this year unless the Mayan’s count down has some legitimacy…
Happy to hear that MM is having a good TC. Solidifying the 3rd WR position was a must and MM seems to be dealed-in.
Crabtree and Moss will be our starters with MM garnering the 3.
The battle for 4th may come down to KW and B.Swain.
Interesting battles are really taking shape and I am comfortable and confident with how our depth chart is beginning to look as well.
“ALL IN!”
I don’t see Swain making the team. May roll out like KW, TG and AJ as the 6th and probably inactive on game day. Swain did look good on his td grab the other night.
..MM could be solidifying the number 2 spot……Moss could be used as a strategic weapon …and Crab as a number 1…
……actually it’s possible MM will end up being number 1…..based on the positive results about MM from camp so far….and….the fact that JH will not even have him suit for the preseason game says alot about the confidence the coaching staff has in MM….
Considering Brett Swain was the WR JH played the most last game with the first stringers, and was pretty good, nobody can make very accurate predictions as to who are the starting WR’s.
I think he will rotate whoever the starters out anyway a lot. His press conference strongly hinted that he would. And that the pre-season was a lot about who is good in what plays, and what combination of WR’s are best.
So, sorry MC fanatics. The fact he started in the pre-season game means zilch. Especially since Swain got so many plays and MM and RM were absent. JH is using TC to determine all things WR related. Just as I’ve been stating for months now.
oneniner…your take on Moss being a strategic weapon makes sense given Harbaughs recent comments that he would play 20-25 snaps per game…so does Crabtree being the #1 given him being the only named starting WR…
@ Jack:
Did Harbaugh say Moss would only play 20-25 snaps a game, or was that just speculation from SI’s Trotter?
Claude,
That was poor reading comprehension on my part. I thought I saw that on SF Gate too, but it looks like I was mistaken.
@ Jack:
Don’t worry about it; you have plenty of company. ESPN made a huge deal of it.
Pretty laughable, guess need to mark this page so we can come back and have a good laugh. Seems as tho the one who thinks he knows everything actually doesnt.
undercenter, yep Better bookmark it, that doesn’t happen very often : )
At least I will admit when I am mistaken.
DS,
Swain is not making this team and it’s time to face the fact your Crabtree rants were silly and unrealistic.
I don’t think Moss will be playing starters minutes throughout the season. I think Manningham and Moss will split a lot of time and then both come in on 3 WR formations.
Right on Rocket, Which is most likely the reason they have the WR on the opposite side of Crabtree listed as Moss or Manningham or Ginn on the depth chart.
I wouldn’t get too excited just yet Jack. Manningham is picking it up with Alex and could very well become a starter opposite Moss who we have yet to see play.
I know I know, Harbaugh says, and depth chart says, that’s all smoke til week one.
@Jack
I didnt mention names Jack, yes you do admit when your wrong, which is often, just kidding. If you have been reading my post you will notice that I have been saying good things about CK and I am now convinced he is a #2 QB, I still have my doubts about him in Harbaughs system tho.
Prime,
I think Manningham will have a big role on this team, but it will come at the expense of Moss, not Crabs imo. They aren’t even listed as options on Crabs side, so it’s apparent Moss and Manningham and to a lesser extent Ginn, are competing for playing time opposite Crabtree. As Jack and I mentioned, it’ll probably be some sort of platoon between Moss and Manningham in two WR sets and then both in the 3 WR set. Obviously I’m just throwing out thoughts with nothing to back it up but that’s how I see it playing out.
….I am dissapointed/pissed he is not ready yet……
It’s been since the first days of TO that we’ve been this deep at receiver. I am so excited. This team reminds me of the 93-94 campaign when Carmon Policy signed all those stars to 1 year contracts with Superbowl incentives.
I think there may be some growing pains, but really it is a great outlook for all the fans that the organization has done so much to be competitive again.
@medic
The best part is that we aren’t mortgaging the future in any of these guys at all. Every one of our FA signings were on the cheap. If they stink, we can move forward without crippling our teams future.
That was 94-95 Medic. The 93-94 campaign ended with a thud in Dallas, prompting Eddie D and Policy to make those great moves when FA hit in ’94.
I apologize Sir, you are absolutely right.
@ DS great point! Free Agents this year have been such a bargain.
just so you know jh never said randy moss will only have 20-25 snaps espn made their own comment with absolutely no substance behind it was adam shafer from espn that made an ass out of himself and assumed it, then called it a “confirmed report” espn, what a joke mnf is the only reason i watch them
I think the wr’s will be #1 RM #1a MC #3 MM #4 KW #5 TG #5a AJ with palmer and owusu on the practice squad. i believe the 9ers drafted AJ and are developing owusu and palmer for next year when crabtree is a FA and there is a good chance moss will be one and done. theres a solid chance we will have to replace both our #1 and #2 receivers next year. i think balke was thinking one year ahead when drafting AJ. the same goes for L. James next year very likely he and KH will be the 9ers 2 headed starting RB
Coach,
Crabtree has 2 years remaining on his rookie contract. He is not a FA until 2014.
jack is it an option year?
old coach
2014 is a player option year
http://www.spotrac.com/nfl/san-francisco-49ers/michael-crabtree/
Judging how MC has never said nice things about AS, I don’t think he will want to stick around with him as the QB.
Yes coach. 2014 is an option year for Crabtree, and I agree with you 100% that Jenkins was drafted with an eye toward the future. All of their top 5 WR’s have their contracts coming up after this season or next.
There will be a lot of fluidity to the back end of that group over the next couple years as they set themselves up for 2014.
To the extent year 2014 is “optional,” it is the 49ers’ option. As a result of Crabtree’s ill-advised holdout, the 49ers insisted that he sign a 6 year deal (the norm was for 5) to make up for him missing so much of his rookie year.
It’s a team option meaning if they want him at that number in 2014, he’ll be a Niner. We’ll see how it plays out but it would be great if they have other options to make the decision difficult.
There’s a ton of preseason superstar WR’s around the league this year. I have no doubt Owusu and Palmer will make it through waivers and be put on the PS if the Niners choose to keep them both.
Whoops sorry Claude I obviously missed your post and just repeated what you said.
hopefully your not an actual coach crabtree is here till 2014 and i dont thing frank gore will be released when he just signed not so long ago and will be with us until 2015 and has good backups to keep him fresh, you sir are just plain wrong
Gore is only signed through 2014 as well Alex.
@ds i’m not sure about crabtree’s relationship with smith but i’ve never gotten the vibe that he loves being a 9er so my point stays the same i think the 9ers will be replacing 2 receivers in 2013 and i believe aj and owusu will be ready to step in. i also predict this year might be gores last with the team for health and age reasons
old coach
You don’t often see WR’s who love their QB’s leave the team. Josh Morgan seemed to have a kinship with AS, but he left for personal reasons I believe (not football related) and the contract Washington gave him.
Point being, if MC likes AS a lot, he will try to stay. If he does not (as I strongly suspect), he will leave for the Cowboys I bet. He and Jerry Jones together would make quite the pair. And Romo has no issues “throwing it up there” as MC puts it.
Going by what Ryan (the TV announcer analyst at the last game) said,Owusu is a large WR. Which would fill the role of MC should MC leave.
And I have been saying for awhile now that the Niners need to win the Super Bowl this year, not for AS who I think will be around for a long time. But for FG. I don’t know if he stays around with KH and James on the team and his health issues. It would really suck for the heartbeat of this team and AS’s comrade since the very beginning to go out without a Super Bowl win. Win it for FG.
old coach,
Can you name 1 starter that was under contract that the 49ers have released or traded in the last 2 years? Crabtree will be around in 2013. The option year in 2014 is where we might see him leave, but the team will make the call on that.
Also, regarding your assertion that the 49ers will be replacing 2 WR’s in 2013, that makes complete sense given that Moss and Ginn both have contracts that expire after this year.
so one way or another we will be replacing 2 receivers. i’m still not clear on whose option it is in 2013 for crabtree one person posted it is crabtree’s and you’re saying its a team option. i agree with you that if its the teams they will more than likely keep him [unless aj or owusu have breakout years] but if the option is crabtree’s i think he will leave.
Claude is correct in that it is a team option.
@old coach:
Sorry, I commented too quickly. Crabtree’s contract is for 6 years. It can void to 5 years if he meets certain incentives. As far as I can tell, he hasn’t met those incentives, and if he doesn’t make the Pro Bowl this year, he will not be able to meet them.
old coach, Jack:
Here’s a link to PFT’s breakdown of Crabtree’s contract:
http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2009/10/07/crabtrees-base-deal-six-years-32-million/
Sorry for flubbing the option thing.
So much for your blog cred Claude : )
Thanks for the link.
Guess I was wrong too. I thought it was a team option only, but as it is he’s not going to meet the incentives to void it so he’ll most likely be here two more years.
@rocket:
Technically, you were correct. Except for those contracts with guaranteed salaries, every year of a player’s contract is at the team’s option. Teams can cut the player without having to pay future salaries called for in the contract.
@ Jack:
First you, then me. The Apocalypse is surely upon us.
Here’s a nice selection of photos from yesterday’s practice:
http://www.49ers.com/media-gallery/photo-gallery/Training-Camp-Aug-14/c45fdb16-14a9-4d4a-83f1-2411190a9508
Here is a nice interview with Matt Maiocco from this morning on 95.7 the game. Had nothing but great things to say about Alex, saying he is looking by far the best as he has ever seen him. Connecting accurately on short, intermediate, and deep passes, the things us fans love to hear. Interesting that he believes AS could possibly be a bargaining chip somewhere down the road. He also did have some interesting things to say about MC. He views MC as the niners definite number one, and RM and MM will be “shuffled in” with the offense. Interesting that the reports who actually watch all the practices have nothing but glowing comments about MC yet fans think they know best.
http://www.957thegame.com/topic/play_window.php?audioType=Episode&audioId=5985522
I wonder what he thinks of Brett Swain?
…this is the same MM that kept reporting Alex was not going to be a niner in 2010, 2011 and 2012……
MM jumped the shark long time ago……he is all about trying to get on tv this days……
Go crabtree my only concern is will he stay healthy?
old coach,
Crabtree has missed two regular season games due to injury in his entire career. Preseason is preseason for a reason. Coaches don’t take chances with players health when the games don’t count. When they do, Crabs has been there even with the bad foot he had to start the season last year.
To be determined! I just don’t see Moss comin out of retirement to be a part time player, why? He apparently has not lost a step and is catching everything short, intermediate and deep. Throw in the fact that Manningham, a proven winner and reliable WR who came over in free agency to no doubt be a starter here, all signs point to Crabtree being the guy who comes in on situational downs.
With a heavy emphasis on the 2 TE formation, better to with Moss and MM on the outside than slow mo Carbs in the slot.
The people who actually watch them practice say different. All signs point to Crabtree being the guy who comes in on situational downs? What signs would that be? Your opinions that are made up with no facts to back them up? You spout off nonsense that is never supported by any sort of facts. I say MC is and will be a starter and you know what i do, i post interviews or articles supporting exactly what i say. Thats what you do when you have a valid argument. Its clear you dislike MC, for reasons that are unclear, but he will be a starting WR and lead the team in catches. Write that down
Adam 707 says “All signs point to Crabtree being the guy who comes in on situational downs? What signs would that be?
Because Moss and Manningham are proven and have demonstrated that consistently through their careers in the NFL Adam. Im not going to pull out stats because we dont need to. Moss is an elite receiver, by all accounts he is playing once again at a high level in training camp. So says every beat writer in the bay area.
As far Manningham, same thing, battle tested, big time performer in big time games and as MM and Grant have reported, he is coming on huge as Alex’s go to guy.
You wanna lable me as a hater and get all pissy about it Adam and say I don’t have facts, maybe it’s not numbers, but history and current level of production this camp, show Moss and MM as the 49ers best WR tandem. Deal with it!
I cant wait for the season to start. You and DS will be eating so much crow. It will be so fun to watch.
And you and Jack will be watchin Crabtree on the sidelines either hurt or pouting while Moss and MM tear it up.
Crow can be served both ways Adam, watch and see!
“Moss is an elite receiver, by all accounts he is playing once again at a high level in training camp. So says every beat writer in the bay area.”
You know what every other beat writer in the bay area says? That MC looks like the Niners best receiver and that he will be a starter. SO why do you ignore that but pay attention to everything else. I really dont care what you think because the season will prove you and DS wrong and you two will feel as foolish as 23J.
No Adam707. DS will pull out the “TC determines all” phrase it uses. DS is famous for giving opinions while also giving itself an out when those opinions are ultimately proven wrong.
Prime,
You are heading into DS territory now by dreaming up some unrealistic scenario to suit your opinion.
Moss was signed to a one year, non guaranteed low money contract. He was not signed with the expectation of being a starter. He was signed to see if he had anything left. As of now it appears he does, but he’s 35 and I don’t see them running him out there for starters minutes every week. If they use him situationaly they could get some nice production from Moss. Manningham will get more playing time than Moss as the season goes along imo. The combination of the two will be a nice counterbalance to Crabs, and that brings me to my final point on why your beliefs don’t make sense: Moss and Manningham are listed on the opposite side to Crabs on the depth chart. They aren’t competing with Crabtree for snaps; they are competing to play opposite him. Kyle Williams is Crabs backup right now.
You and DS really need to get over this desire you have to portray Crabs as a guy fighting for a job. Your view is not shared by the Coaching staff. If he’s healthy, he is a starter period.
See what is sad that me and jack are rooting FOR the niners, you are rooting against the niners. We want to see MC succeed, you want to see him fail so you can be right
@adam707: MC has looked good for a portion of raining camp, Moss and MM the entire camp. Remember, Crabs has been hurt and only participated once again for a limited portion this year. And if you don’t care what I think then don’t reply to my comments, it’s that simple!
@rocket:why can’t Moss be a starter, the one year deal, low risk contract was a benefit for everyone. He is showing he is the old Moss, the fast catch everything in sight old Moss, that in itself is worthy of a starting opportutiy. Do you really think he came out of retirement to be a situation player.
As far as you guys using the depth chart to say otherwise, that’s ridiculous. Roman said as much, that chart changes daily he said from the coaches perspective, nothing is set in stone till week one. That chart is to keep the media happy.
Lastly Im not rootin against Crabtree, I just think Moss and MM are a better tandem. Last time I checked those guys wear 49er uniforms too.
Prime, You are starting to sound like Jordan.
“Lastly Im not rootin against Smith I just think Johnson is a better option” as 23j would say sure sounds a lot like your, “Lastly Im not rootin against Crabtree, I just think Moss and MM are a better tandem.”
Prime,
I think Moss will contribute, but not to the extent you do. It looks like he’s doing well in practice and that’s great, but the guy is 35 and spent a year out of football. To expect that he’ll return to the Moss of old is wishful thinking imo. Moss is not going to be a great blocker downfield or want to take hits going over the middle. He’s going to be used to stretch the field and hopefully be a good redzone option.
As to what he expects and why he came out of retirement: I think he missed the game and wanted to play, but I’ve already seen a different Moss than the one who played before. He’s more about trying to contribute to the team success and doesn’t seem to be focused on his own numbers. I think his last season two years ago humbled him and now he’s just trying to write a more palatable closing act to his career.
In this case the depth chart means a great deal because there are different WR positions with different responsibilities and Crabs is not competing with Moss/Manningham for his spot. He is the starter at his position. Moss and Manningham are competing along with Ginn for playing time on the other side.
Jack you lying piece of nothing, if you say like you said you were on this blog for a long time then you know 23welcher has been dogging Alex in the worst way for the last two years, but of course you have not been on the blog long enough otherwise you would know you lying sack!
BTW I am never derogatory towards MC like 23j,all I have ever said is Moss and MM in my opinion are a better tandem. Now go back to telling me how you have been a long time blogger but never commented, blasphemy!
Rocket Roman and JH have said that every WR on the roster has to be able to play each postion.The interchangeable ability will allow the offense to be more versatile. I don’t think anyone is a lock at either the X,Y, or Z.
FDM,
Very true, but that is to cover for injury purposes. Each has a position they are slated to play at and in this case Moss and Manningham are not in competition with Crabs for playing time on his side.
Prime,
You take every opportunity you can to tell everyone how slow Crabs is, how Crabs isn’t a #1 and will never be, Crabs is lazy…..But of course those aren’t derogatory in any way right….Rrriiigghhhttt.
I will give you this though, you haven’t stooped as low as to call him Michelle…yet.
Jack sayin that Crabtree is slow is not deragotory, has he ever ran a 40 time that we know of in the NFL. Can you tell me in the last years what game Crabtree caught the ball and out raced someone?
Has he proven to be a # 1 WR besides the team leading receptions. I have asked you this before, what game has he played in, in the 3 years where he was a difference?
How you get that at every chance I take a shot at Crabtree is just your imagination and role lately of being the blog policeman. All BS!
Until Crabtree proves otherwise I will wait and see what happens week one.
If you can answer my concerns about 15 that would be good too insted of labelling me as the biggest hater ever. Then again your a long time blogger right, just from afar right? Please, your pathetic!
Last time I checked there is only one good way to serve crow, the same way as revenge.
Also I see nothing wrong with Prime’s statements. Though I think he is wrong and it seems that so does everyone else close to the action.
Lastly, I perceive a bit of Harbaughing around in respect to MC, seems he wants to build his confidence a la AS.
You’re right 23Prime, there is nothing derogatory in calling someone slow, lazy, or any of the other labels you have tried to lay on MC lately….you and DS can in your little fantasy worlds for a few more weeks.
@Jack…..why do you keep trying to move the conversation into the gutter……
why not answer his questions…..
oneniner…I have answered Prime’s questions…he doesn’t like the answers…so he keeps asking the same questions expecting something different…
….just think comparing him to Jordan Welcher is derogatory………
…..@Prime and DS – You really don’t think Crab can make the pro-bowl this yr?……. I get you both (including me) don’t like his diva attitude but cmon guys – you can’t argue Crab does not have the tools to be a successful WR in the NFL…
….if the shoe fits….
@Jack……Ask onelame what Smiths weakness is. He NEVER answers questions, but he sits here and points fingers and calls people out. Hey Onelame. Remember when you got booted from MM blog when me and telecat made you lose it? HA HA HAAAA ANSWER THE QUESTION ONELAME!
oneniner
I don’t think MC makes the Pro-Bowl. But I don’t care about that at all anyway.
Big plays in big games in big moments. MC or any Niner WR does that, they are good enough.
rocket
This is a blog. JH hasn’t said who the starter is, unless you think TG is the starter as well. Don’t regulate what I can discuss when it is all Niner talk. Why don’t you tell md to stop being a racist instead? If you want to regulate, regulate his trash.
Why you are so pissed about somebody who says “TC determines all” is a mystery to me. If you are so certain in your opinion, then my statement should not cause any doubt in it. Afterall, if MC is as you say, then “TC determines all” will determine him to be starter material. If not, then you feel the need to defend what you are not certain about. Why are you freaking out about it?
One, I’m not sure on anything Crabtree outside of what we have seen in 3 years. I always determine the true essence of athletes when they have the opportunity to perform in the playoffs. The playoffs separate the average players from the elite. The pressure, the spot light, the mental and physical toughness required to win at all costs in the playoffs is every pro athlete dream to showcase and win the ultimate prize.
Based on our one appearance since 2002? There were players who played at a high level and ones that did not. We all know what happened with #15.
Probowl, stats, individual bests, mean jack. When it’s playoff time, like I said, the real players show up.
DS,
Everyone who pays attention around here knows your “training camp determines all” mantra is your way of covering your weak a$$ so that when Crabtree starts week 1 you can say,”I trust Harbaugh”.
Your dislike of Crabtree is well known, and when an objective commentor like Rocket starts to call you out it shows how far off from reality that you have gone.
DS,
This is a blog. JH hasn’t said who the starter is, unless you think TG is the starter as well. Don’t regulate what I can discuss when it is all Niner talk. Why don’t you tell md to stop being a racist instead? If you want to regulate, regulate his trash.
I’m not trying to regulate anything DS. You have the right to say whatever you like, just as I have the right to tell you you are full of sh*t, which you are in regards to your views on Crabtree. The reason I am being so hard on you on this subject is simple: you have created a scenario that doesn’t exist (Crabtree fighting for a job or possibly being cut so they can go with cheaper options, or whatever other ludicrous statement you ‘ve made on this issue), and it’s based more on your personal feelings toward Crabtree than anything performance based. Your view is severely biased which is why I’m telling you to give it up and move on. Your opinion of Crabtree is tainted by your anger at his holdout 4 years ago and your belief that he threw Alex Smith under the bus. That has led to you formulating ideas about his future that are ridiculous and have no basis in reality. Harbaugh has declared him the starter, you just choose to ignore it and cling to the idea that it isn’t ironclad because Harbaugh hasn’t come out and said it, meanwhile he’s made it quite clear by his actions that Crabtree is indeed the starter.
Is that clear enough for you?
As to the second part of your paragraph above, I didn’t perceive MD as being racist from what I read, and I’m not remotely interested in getting involved in your ongoing drama queen soap opera with other people on this site.
Why you are so pissed about somebody who says “TC determines all” is a mystery to me. If you are so certain in your opinion, then my statement should not cause any doubt in it. Afterall, if MC is as you say, then “TC determines all” will determine him to be starter material. If not, then you feel the need to defend what you are not certain about. Why are you freaking out about it?
I’m not pissed nor am I freaking out about anything. I’m calling you on your opinions of Crabtree that are motivated by personal feelings. You came up with this Training camp decides all stuff when people like me started telling you how misguided you were to think Crabtree was in any kind of danger of losing his starting job nevermind making the team.
As Jack said, you’ve created the Training camp decides all position to cover yourself for the things you’ve said about Crabtree that are completely off base and untrue, when they are ultimately proven to be baseless.
Bottomline is you don’t like Crabtree the person which clouds your judgement on Crabtree the player.
i hope MC meets the incentives . that would mean he had a breakout year.
Grant,
You got name dropped! From rotoworld.com:
The Press Democrat’s Grant Cohn writes that Mario Manningham has “looked like the receiver cornerbacks have the most difficulty covering” in training camp.
Manningham is expected to hold down the third receiver job, but continues to face competition from Ted Ginn and A.J. Jenkins. At best, Manningham projects as Alex Smith’s third option behind Michael Crabtree and Vernon Davis, with Randy Moss also around to steal passing-game targets and looks. Aug 15 – 12:44 PM
Source: The Press Democrat
Prime Time says:
August 15, 2012 at 7:38 pm
“One, I’m not sure on anything Crabtree outside of what we have seen in 3 years. I always determine the true essence of athletes when they have the opportunity to perform in the playoffs.”
@Prime
Sorry for the slight against AS. But if MC was in NO, GB, NE, SD, and even the C-boys, he would probably have all-pro status by now.
You and DS have forever cursed MC for as you say, “throwing AS under the bus” after the championship game for merely saying that he would ‘have liked more opportunities to make plays.’ Or should I say that is reason #3 of 1,000?
You should stop commenting all together because MC play in camp and into the season will play out and we will see who’s on the field performing at a highlevel.
You keep retorting to the past and hypothetical scenarios. Your confident AS will have another break out season, are you so sure about #15? If you are then shut hell up about it and let’s talk week one and beyond about Michael Crabtree!
I’m absolutely confident regarding MC.
Are you?
AES sure sounds like he is slighting AS here. Saying if MC had a different QB, he is all-pro. How is that different from me saying AS is better with LF than MC as his #1? “All in” isn’t.
DS. That’s my opinion. I believe it and stand by it!
Well let’s say that if you can make such a comment and still consider yourself All-in, I can as well bud.
Are you All-In that AS would be a better QB if he had LF?
Get your quotes right. He didn’t say that. He said something along the lines of “I was covered. And wanted AS to throw it up there in hopes I get it, and it isn’t Int.”
He then got himself in trouble less than a week later.