Training camp report: Wednesday, the not-so-good — Harbaugh ejects Kyle Williams for fighting

SANTA CLARA – Kyle Williams dropped two passes in practice today, but that’s not why Jim Harbaugh ejected him.

Toward the end of practice, Williams caught a pass with undrafted cornerback Deante Purvis draped all over him. It seemed like Williams felt Purvis took too long undraping himself, so Williams head butted him. Then Purvis swung a punch back at him. Harbaugh ran in to break it up.

He was angry with Williams, who instigated the scuffle, so he ejected him and let Purvis keep practicing. Harbaugh told Williams to leave the field, but Williams refused. He kneeled next to Dashon Goldson for a few minutes, and then he watched the re st of practice with Michael Crabtree.

After practice Williams sought out Harbaugh on the field and the two talked for about a minute before Harbaugh extended his hand and Williams shook it.

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139 Responses to Training camp report: Wednesday, the not-so-good — Harbaugh ejects Kyle Williams for fighting

  1. Tony says:

    Did Harbaugh give him a pat on the back with the hand shake and kind of shake his hand a little too hard?

  2. Nick Row says:

    Williams is talented, but this kid has a history of making bad decisions. A hot temper and bad judgement are hard to overcome.

    • Kerwin falls says:

      Seriously? Have you ever played football? The kid got into a skirmish in training camp. It happens. Now all of a sudden he’s got a hot temper.

    • Neal says:

      Harbaugh said the only practice he missed was one day when he got lasik surgury, too bad he didnot have it last season when he let the ball hit his knee.

    • Neal says:

      Harbaugh said the only practice he missed was one day when he got lasik surgury, too bad he didnot have it last season when he let the ball hit his knee. The kid lacks the basic knowledge of sound football, the skirmish does not bother me, but the two balls dropped does. He can’t afford that.

    • Nick Row says:

      I’m not so much concerned about his hot temper as I am about his poor judgement – in which he’s a repeat offender.

    • alameda niner says:

      This kid needs to meditate and slowwwww down. Jittery mind and hands will not be good for receivers and punt returners.

  3. ninermd says:

    With concussion problems. He shouldnt be head butting anybody.

    • MidWestNiner says:

      Very true. Something like this could kill what has been a great offseason for him thus far. Or worse his career.

      • MidWestNiner says:

        Seriously Grant, what is up with posting on this blog here of late? My 5:35 A.M. didn’t appear when I first tried to post it, so I posted something else at 5:40 A.M. with no problem. Now I’ve checked back and my previous post is on here. What is going on?

      • Grant Cohn says:

        It got marked as spam for some strange reason, but I un-spammed it.

      • MidWestNiner says:

        Thanks Grant. I can see why I’ve had trouble with my posts appearing. Hopefully everything is smooth sailing from here on.

    • MidWestNiner says:

      I agree. Is he wanting to end his season prematurely, or worse, his career?

      • Chris says:

        I thought it was kind of smart to head butt instead of breaking a hand swinging at another helmet.

      • MidWestNiner says:

        Not when he has a history of concussions Chris.

      • ninermd says:

        One more concussion could end his career. As of right now I think the head is more important than a hand. But you make a good point too. The anger and competitive drive get the best of athletes some times. Like that moron that blasted his neck head butting the wall after a td. Who was that again? Lol

      • dangle says:

        like that seahawks player who cut his forehead open in a pregame ritual of smashing his helmet into his head. Not so bright

  4. drsgrosse says:

    My impression of Williams pre-fumbles was that he has a challenge listening to his coaches and, as a result, he does stupid stuff. He certainly was told not to dive for punts, change the ball from one side to the other in traffic or to hang around punts once they hit the ground.

    He is fast and talented, but his attitude creates risks that may outweigh his skills.

  5. AES* says:

    A head-butt and a few punches is not much of a fight. But I’m glad that it’s not tolerated in camp.

    Some coaches around the league don’t seem to have much of a problem with camp fights. I’m sure Rex Ryan might think a little differently after seeing his prize posession Tim Tebow running towards the pile a couple of days ago during a skermish.

    • ribico says:

      Ryan made the whole team run gassers until they just about passed out due to TC fighting.

      • FDM says:

        The Jets free fall continues, I thought/think Rex should have been turfed last year. Its so out of control over there my friends who are Jets fans are appalled at whats been happening with Rex, Tebow, and the dysfunctual lockeroom.

      • DS94everXev says:

        @FDM

        I have no idea what is happening in Jet land. I’m watching the Olympics. But to think just a few years ago, they looked to be the rising team. Then they got away from the formula that got them to 2 straight AFC title games. They lost their identity, and are a mess (apparently) now.

        There is a lesson to be found in that for the Niners. If this team tries to throw the ball around like so many other playoff teams did last year, we’ll lose our identity.

        I don’t like the expectations of AS to be he has to throw for 4,000 yards. JM never did. And before anybody says”different era”, JM didn’t attempt 50 passes a game either. His average (28.1 attempts) was a lot closer to AS’s attempt average which was…27.8. So for you stats boys, that is a difference of under 1 pass per game. If JH was hiding him, BW hid JM. And JM had the best WR duo in football history at their peaks to throw it to by the way. AS does not.

        JM never saw 4,000 yards in a season. So, if you set your expectations of AS to be he must throw for 4,000 yards, those expectations were not met by the best ever. Hint: Re-think your expectations. JM won games. AS last year won games. That is all that matters.

      • FDM says:

        I agree, run the ball, play good defense, take chances when you need to, and just win games!
        However, the Niners need also to evolve thier passing attack and that means not necessarily down field, but the swing passes to the RB’s, more VD underneath, more Delanie inside and out, and yes, the occassional home run to Moss, Ginn, or whoever that can go deep.

        This is a big year for Greg Roman as much as it is for any player. If he has sights set on being a head coach, he will need to be more creative with the playcalling and the stones to open it up. Im not saying throw it around at will, but at some point, we will have to show a more balanced passing attack.

      • Nick Row says:

        Perhaps Rex should have participated in those wind sprints … would have done him some good.

      • Nick Row says:

        @DS

        huh? How did you transition from the Jets to Joe Montana and comparing him to Alex Smith? It doesn’t make sense and seems out of place.

        Yes, Montana never threw for 4000 yards. But what’s your agenda in comparing AS to a HOF QB?

      • ribico says:

        Well Nick, to be fair:

        “Ryan slims down, weighs less than Tebow”

        http://articles.nydailynews.com/2012-07-19/news/32751320_1_lap-band-surgery-rex-ryan-limit-food-intake

        In any case, the Sanchez-Tebow thing bodes disaster for that team some time during this season.

        To think, some here were clamoring for the Niners to sign Tebow.

      • ninermd says:

        Nick… Forget it man. Bs lost all cred last year when it did the same thing. However Montana did win mvp’s superbowls and Super Bowl mvp’s still waiting on #11 to fix just his 3rd down and redzone issues. But hey just because they wore the same jersey we can match them evenly. So I guess MC is Jerry rice? Bs won’t like that though.

      • DS94everXev says:

        FDM

        Swing passes don’t work with loaded boxes. They work with 7 in the box. And last year, there was no reason to not put 8-9 in the box. MC wasn’t going deep. TG just isn’t a WR. So load up, and those kinds of openings Roger Craig saw when he played just aren’t there. If teams put 8-9 in the box then, they paid dearly for it with JR beating single coverage.

        If we don’t have a WR who can’t beat single coverage, we’ll see more 8-9 boxes again this year and the swing pass won’t work again. Our OL will be out-numbered and have to fight an uphill battle. Which we did win last year. But not if AS throws risky passes. AKA Mark Sanchez last year. Then that elite D won’t be at an advantage.

  6. Neal says:

    Nice column on our number one pick. Jenkins is going to be a stud.Silly to write this guy off.

    http://www.csnbayarea.com/football-san-francisco-niners/niners-talk/Jenkins-gains-confidence-and-speed-as-ca?blockID=753761&feedID=2539

    • Jack Hammer says:

      Patience. That is going to be the key for fans with AJ. As you know I didn’t like the pick , but I see his longterm potential.

      There was a nice piece on SF Gate about him over the weekend, and his college coach, Ron Zook said as much. It reminded me of what Urban Meyers said about Alex Smith when he was coming out, very studious, needs to understand everything, and once he does he will be lights out.

      • Neal says:

        I hope it does not take 7 years.

      • Jack Hammer says:

        Oh boy. How did I know you would say that : )

        I think his path will go like this:

        #5 or 6 in 2012

        #3 or 4 in 2013

        #1 or 2 in 2014

        Look at the WR position. They have MC and Manningham under contract for 2 more years and I believe the other guys are all either on 1 year deals or have 1 year remaining. It makes sense to take it easy with him, get his “playing fast” as they say and let him loose next year.

      • Grant Cohn says:

        Who do you think will have a better NFL career: A.J. Jenkins or Michael Crabtree?

      • claude balls says:

        @Neal:

        It won’t. Neither Nolan nor Singletary will have any influence on his development or have any say in the acquisition of talent on the team.

      • MidWestNiner says:

        Tough question Grant. I’m going to say Jenkins because of his speed and the fact the team doesn’t have to rush him to the field.

      • Jack Hammer says:

        Grant,

        That’s a tough one. To me AJ and Crabtree are almost a mirror image of each other. My guess would be Crabtree. I don’t see Jenkins duplicating Crabtree’s performances from his first 2 seasons, and I think the additional and time in this system are going to help Crabtree continue to improve.

  7. Ed Luva says:

    I like that the kid stayed on the practice field. He wasn’t disruptive, he stayed with the team instead of sulking in the locker room, and he seemed to own up to it like a man. That’s how I’m spinning it in my head at least.

    • Grant Cohn says:

      That’s how I perceived it, too.

    • ninermd says:

      BUT. He defied an order after screwing up. Will he be a problem and have the I’m bigger than the team attitude when told to do something next time? Just another way to think about that scenario.

      • oneniner says:

        ….there we go again…Mr. Negativity……your life is really that sad you can’t pretend to be positive….

      • MidWestNiner says:

        I don’t think so MD. He quickly went and talked with Harbaugh about it. If Williams thought he was bigger than the team, he wouldn’t have humbled himself like that.

  8. Jack Hammer says:

    Roster Move: Curtis Holcomb, CB has been waived.

    2011 draft pick ruptured his achilles last year.

    • claude balls says:

      @Jack:

      I don’t know if you saw my request in the Training camp report, Wednesday, the not-so-good thread, but is there any chance you can provide a summary of yesterday’s Sirius-XM broadcast from the 49ers’ training camp? I missed most of it and would love to hear what Kirwan, Ryan and the players had to say.

      • claude balls says:

        Oops. Sorry for the html screw up.

      • Jack Hammer says:

        Claude,

        I was in and out of the car but did hear them interview Boone, Staley, Alex Smith, and Harbaugh. The interview with Boone showed that the o linemen are the most interesting guys to talk to.

        One thing of note is that once he found out about the move to RG he added about 20lbs. The other was that he is still preparing to be the swing T.

        Not really anything from Staley and Smith. We need to get Grant to give us his tapes of interviews with Smith. A great drinking game would be that you have to take a shot each time AS says “yeah for sure”. Actually we would all probably be under the table after the first interview, well maybe not MSC.

        Harbaugh was his usual self. Very excited about his players and full of interesting sayings. They told him they defend AS from criticism and Harbs said he doesn’t need defending.

        Some dude tried to call in and say that Brooks was overrated and they slapped him to the curb. It was hilarious.

        I think Rocket mentioned this originally. Maybe he has other insights I missed.

      • claude balls says:

        @Jack:

        Thanks for the summary. I appreciate it.

        I heard the replay of the Harbaugh interview and thought he was great. He cracked me up when he said, “I am going to be like Abraham and die leaning on my staff.” He is a character, but in a good way. I do not understand people who don’t like him.

      • Jack Hammer says:

        Claude,

        That was a pretty good one. I find Harbaugh to be a fascinating character. He would be a great guy to sit and just BS with.

        He seems to be much more laid back when talking with reporters who are not part of the local media. It is tough for the local guys because they need to ask questions they know he doesn’t want to or won’t answer, whereas the national guys can keep it at a much higher level and not get into the details.

        They asked one question about how he envisioned utilizing James, and he gave them the same standard answer of, “we don’t talk about schemes.”

      • rocket says:

        Claude,

        I believe you can go to the Sirius website and listen to it on demand but I’ll give a rundown of what I remember hearing yesterday:

        First two players PK and Ryan interviewed were Willis and Bowman and they were talking about how each covers for the other on given plays and during drills. Bowman said he has taken on more of a passrushing role with Willis now covering TE’s when the situation calls for it. Bowman sounds like he has serious admiration for Willis and it’s clear Willis has played a huge role in his development. They were roomates last year in TC and Bowman said he learned as much talking to Willis during that time as he did on the field.

        Alex Smith and Staley were up next and they were talking about how the offense is perceived as a run dominated, pass only when necessary system and you could almost see Smith and Staley smirk through the computer. Smith said something to the effect of “Yeah we hope people feel that way, we’re real good with that.” I’ve never heard Alex Smith as confident as he is now. I think we are going to see some good things from him this season.

        Boone was really much more well spoken than I expected. Shame on me but I haven’t heard him interviewed all that much and my mind was still stuck on him as a hard partying Frat boy. He’s just the opposite, in fact Ryan was giving him crap about his haircut because Boone said it was his wifes idea and he wasn’t going to argue with her. As Jack said, he is playing the RG position but is still going to be the first Tackle to replace a starter which would mean Davis likely would come in and play RG. He said the idea that a guy as tall as he is can’t play G effectively is a myth and that it’s all about getting himself into a good low position. He feels he is getting very comfortable with it now and will have no problem adapting to the change, in fact he says he loves playing there now.

        T Brown and Rogers also stopped by and commented on how well Perrish Cox is doing along with the fact they think the dcfense will be much better (how scary is that) because everybody knows everyone elses assignments which wasn’t always the case last year. There was also a funny moment when Ryan brought up the fact they had to watch out for Goldson’s Friendly Fire due to him knocking Brown out of the game last year. Brown chuckled and said that’s how we play. Everybody is focused on getting to the ball.

        As for how PK and Ryan view the team, they both see them as the cream of the division, but I get the feeling Kirwan still isn’t sold on Smith and he also has a long history with Pete Carroll so he’s a little biased on the Seahawks, while Ryan I think believes they are legitimate Super Bowl contenders.

      • Jack Hammer says:

        Rocket,

        Thanks for filling in the parts i missed. Based on the bits and pieces I heard it was great radio.

      • claude balls says:

        @rocket:

        Thanks for all that detail. It’s great to get that additional insight.

      • rocket says:

        No prob guys. My pleasure.

  9. Penry Pooch says:

    Off topic:

    Grant I’m just saying this to rib you a little but man are you going to be wrong about Kuechly. Everything I’ve read says this kid is the real deal, day one starter.

    Anyway, I’m still waiting for my nickel.

    • Nick Row says:

      Is he going to be the ‘next Brian Urlacher or the ‘next’ Brian Bosworth?

      • Penry Pooch says:

        Are you only suggesting white all pro linebackers because Kuechly is white? Seems a bit racist.

        Maybe he’s the next Navorro Bowman?

      • Nick Row says:

        No, I picked two Brians – one a stud and another a bust. Go figure Pooch.

      • Penry Pooch says:

        Just having some fun with ya. Wish there was a way of showing my smirk when I type half the things I put on here.

      • DS94everXev says:

        Penry

        No racism stuff please.

        And the symbol you are looking for is :P, or just write (sarcasm).

      • Penry Pooch says:

        Thanks for the advice DS but why the hell should I listen to you?

    • claude balls says:

      @Penry:

      Anyway, I’m still waiting for my nickel.

      What did 23 jordan welch on a bet with you too? He owes me $100.

  10. AES* says:

    DS:
    “And JM had the best WR duo in football history at their peaks to throw it to by the way. AS does not.”

    @DS
    Maybe AS should have flew the coop when he had the chance, since we don’t have Jerry Rice and John Taylor (lol).

    For a player who in your estimation is the heart of the team, you sure do a great deal of AS defending.

    Have you noticed that no one here needs to defend P.Willis or Justin Smith. Why do you think they have virtually if any detractors?

    You protect AS like a new born baby. Let’s see what does in year two of the Harbaugh Plan before putting his name in the JM vicinity.

    • Jack Hammer says:

      AES,

      Smith is barely even in the vicinity of Jeff Garcia at this point.

      He had a nice year last year, but these constant comparisons to JM are ridiculous to put it nicely.

    • ninermd says:

      Didn’t Montana win two superbowls before rice got there? I do believe he did. With what recievers? Dwight Clark. Yep. I do think it’s safe to say VD is just about as good as d Clark was. Aes its trying to suck you into the alexcuses hole. Next will be the o-line, coaches, and injury to name a few. Don’t do it man. Let this clown honk it’s horn and drive its silly little car in circles. It’s a never ending battle of moronic per portions. Wheeew! I know why bs and onelame are joined at the hips lips and whatever else. Pshyyyco!

      • claude balls says:

        I think one can simultaneously acknowledge that Joe Montana, the greatest QB ever to play, was a much better QB than Alex Smith has thus far proven to be and recognize that Alex Smith has been surrounded by substandard offensive talent (Gore and Davis excepted) and saddled with inferior coaches for most of his career.

      • oneniner says:

        …no way ninermd has the brain cells to process that…..

      • DS94everXev says:

        For the simpletons of the blog:

        JM is better than AS.
        JM had the best HC/WR in NFL history.
        AS has had possibly one of the worst (MS) HC’s. And a leader for jerk HC (MN) in history. Is AS the first QB in history to have such HC’ing? No. But it speaks volumes that the Niners haven’t found anyone better and AS is here. And in the first year with a real HC he did what he did.
        JM had better WR’s his whole career than AS has ever had. If you think the QB makes the WR, JR would like to see you. As would JM.

      • AES* says:

        Freddie Solomon, Dwight Clark, Mike Wilson.

        Not exactly world-beaters, but the great Joe Montana could make any receiver look good!

  11. Nick Row says:

    Some random thoughts for Thursday.

    There is a 90-minute mock game scheduled for today. I wonder how that will turn out. Hopefully, Grant has his binoculars handy and will gives us the scope later on.

    Maiocco is of the opinion that Dobbs is turning into a legitimate two-way player. I’m really curious to find out how that plays out during the pre-season.

    Also according to Maiocco: Since the beginning of training camp, Randy Moss has not seen a lot of action come his way during practice. I hope RM gets more action during pre-season games and develope some kind of chemistry with AS.

  12. Leo says:

    Didn’t Crabtree practice yesterday? How did he look?

    • Grant Cohn says:

      It was a light practice. He caught a few balls early but stood on the sideline the majority of the time.

      • Prime Time says:

        In other words, Crabtree stood around doing nothin to work on his game, disinterested and being a lazy diva!

      • Grant Cohn says:

        Justin Smith and Ray McDonald didn’t participate at all in team drills. Are they disinterested, lazy divas?

      • FDM says:

        Come on Prime Time, he caught some balls!

      • ribico says:

        Comeon Prime, that’s just inciteful!

      • Prime Time says:

        Cowboy is a proven star, MacDonald pretty close. Crabtree has not done anything in 3 years to say he is. Use all the reasons we have with Smith, but answer this, does Crabtree participate and work as hard or demonstrate that he is participating and working equally as hard as everyone else?
        All we hear at this time of year about Crabtree is that he is hurt, nursing, watching from the sidelines. That would be all well an good if his production reflected that of an elite WR!

      • FDM says:

        Prime, he is injured and the team is taking precautions as it is early into camp. Why force the issue?
        Look, I believe MC has to have a big year to prove the doubters wrong, maybe go as far as saying to his teammates and the league as well. This diva/lazy label gets laughed at if he has a very good season.

      • DS94everXev says:

        FDM

        In other words, lets have JH decide. You’d think that would calm some down. It has the reverse effect.

      • Jack Hammer says:

        Prime, “Praise and defend like any real fan should. Let’s leave the hypercritical analysis to the coaching staff and media. Not from Joe blow who can’t let it go after 3 years and running!”

      • Prime Time says:

        I was right in saying that Jack and so are you, praise and defend, BUT, I haven’t been dogging Crabtree for 3 years like some others have with you know who, if I do, shoot me!
        Also, all I’m looking for is a glimmer of hope with Crabtree, when I do, and I’m easy to please BTW, I’ll stop riding his a$$, until then it’s, don’t tell me, show me!

    • Neal says:

      Crabs will have a good season this will be his year.

      • FDM says:

        Thats means Alex will have to have a great year as well, and you have repeatedley said we will never go anywhere with Smith as our QB. So Neal, care to clarify?

      • oneniner says:

        …neal is a loof…I doubt he believes what he writes on the blog…

      • Neal says:

        FDM,
        I said a good season, not a great season, although Crabs does a good job with AS worm burner throws and high throws, I think AS will be better this year then last, but I won’t bet my 401k on it, although he is not a top 10 QB, but either is Crabs. Smith got to learn to take some risks, not sure if that is in his mojo. The Saints game makes him a 1 hit wonder, and it so disappointing that he sucked the following week.

        One Wiener, don’t give a pimple on a pig’s ass on what you believe.

      • MidWestNiner says:

        Technically, Smith took two risks in the Saints game. Excluding Crabtree and Davis, he really didn’t have any options to cause him to take a risk during his career. Edwards could have helped, but he was injured almost all of last season.

      • Neal says:

        MidWest,

        I said other then the Saints game, he took risks, but taking risks is not in his make up. Also he was pretty bad in the second and third quarter of that game. Too bad our defense is so good in practice, he can’t improve his red zone and third quarter play.

      • MidWestNiner says:

        So was Drew Brees. And I think facing our D in practice will make him a better QB. Also, with how the offense was until Harbaugh came in, how could he take any type of risk? Being in an offense during the Nolan and Singletary eras was risky enough!

      • Neal says:

        Brees had good success against the Niners, but luckily, he did not have great success, Brees is a way more risk taker then Smith will ever be, and that has some to do with his cheating coach

      • MidWestNiner says:

        Which is why I think Smith will soon become one. He has a coach who understands the position.

      • Neal says:

        I hope you are right MW. Harbaugh wants to win championships, and not sure if Smith is the one. He will be fully exposed this year, whether he has it or not.

      • Ninermd says:

        Neal……Smith is going to shock you this season. Top 7 Homie. Watch and see.

  13. Prime Time says:

    I’m just saying everytime there is something said or written about Carbtree it’s showing him in a negative connotation. Everywhere, ESPN, CSN, SI, the majority of press on him is negative. Now does he deserve it, not sure but one thing is forsure, he does not help his cause.

    • AES* says:

      Funny isn’t it Prime, that when the media went after AS early last season you and your crew went into a uproar.

      Now the media goes after Crabtree (as you say), and you’re “ALL IN” with them. Hmmmmmm, nice way to stand up for your team bud…

    • DS94everXev says:

      Prime

      Ignore what the media outlets think for a second. SFGATE has the quotes of MC when asked about missing 8 practices. MC’s answer wasn’t very good. And this is all MC’s doing. Nobody told him to say what he does. I want my leading WR desperate to get back in there. He was far from desperate.

      • AES* says:

        DS94everXev says:
        August 9, 2012 at 4:07 pm
        Prime
        “Ignore what the media outlets think for a second. SFGATE has the quotes of MC when asked about missing 8 practices. MC’s answer wasn’t very good. And this is all MC’s doing. Nobody told him to say what he does. I want my leading WR desperate to get back in there. He was far from desperate.”

        @DS
        Looks like SFGate fed your voracious MC hate appetite (lol)!

        How is it that when Greg Cosell (highly respected among his peers) writes something edgy about AS that you call him a ‘hater?’
        But when someone writes something edgy about MC suddenly you endorse?

        DS, your hypocrisy has been in full display of late.
        Just admit (why hide something that we all know) that you ‘hate’ MC. Stop the inner turmoil and set yourself free bud! (hahaha)

    • Nick Row says:

      AES,
      It’s called hypocracy. Prime Hypocrite – and few others – have a double standard. When you challenge them on it, instead of refuting, they pull off the ad hominem attack.

  14. AES says:

    Doesn’t sound as bad as AS throwing a 5yrd pass when he needed 10!

    You guys spend too much energy on MC when the problems with the redzone have occured without him in the lineup. But if you dig deep enough I’m sure you can find blame on MC (lol).

    • Prime Time says:

      @FDM, let’s see that happen?

      @AES, Crabtree was in the lineup all last year when the redzone woes were terrible then? What’s your point?

    • oneniner says:

      …yeah whatz ur point AES……AS throwing a 5yrd pass means the open receiver ran a 5 yrd route……

      • DS94everXev says:

        So, AS is supposed to throw the ball further than the route now?

        And both AS and MC have played in the redzone the whole time. Together.

      • AES* says:

        Not very good game management in that spot. No pass rush, plenty of time to look to a second (maybe 3rd) WR or option.

        The play was a redzone play (last play of practice) that should have gone into the endzone. If a 5 yrd play in a TD situation with no defensive pressure suits your fancy, well, to each his own.

        If this happens during the season (with the same situation), we got big problems. Hope AS can pull the trigger when the play calls for it.

      • DS94everXev says:

        So

        All in until AS makes 1 mistake. Then you’re back to big toe in, rest out mode. What if an OL misses the block? WR runs bad route/drop the ball? What if the playcall sucks? Are you still All in then?

        Mr. All in has issues to work thru here. You shouldn’t put the product out till you’ve worked out all the bugs.

  15. Adam says:

    Hope Freakin’ Solo!

    Go USA. Damned exciting!

  16. AES says:

    Point: new season.

    • Jack Hammer says:

      AES, It starts in T Minus 28 hours and 22 minutes. LET’S GET IT ON!

      • AES* says:

        Been like a wild animal in a cage Hammer.
        I ready to pounce!

        As far as I’m concerned, the season starts tomorrow night! YES!!!!

  17. Jack Hammer says:

    Harbaugh just announced Crabtree and Ginn as starting WR’s for tomorrow night.

    • MidWestNiner says:

      Curious move. I’m wondering if this is a test to see if Ginn can’t contribute to more than special teams.

      • DS94everXev says:

        If true, and Ginn starts, that pretty much proves that you can’t look into the MC announcement as a starter to mean anything.

        Until JH puts an end to the speculation, I’ll keep on TC determines all.

      • rocket says:

        Ginn is starting because he’s the incumbant player on this team at that position. The depth chart listed Moss, Manningham and Ginn as all possible starters opposite Crabtree. It appears Harbaugh is giving Ginn first crack based on seniority.

      • MidWestNiner says:

        Good point Rocket. I hadn’t thought of that.

    • AES* says:

      Where there that come from? Is something wrong with R.Moss?
      Not surprise with Crabtree, but Ginn?
      What the heck (lol).

      • Hoferfan67 says:

        Interesting hearing TT and RR on KNBR just a few minutes ago discussing the 9ers and specifically the WRs. They both believe this is MC’s year to prove his worth. To paraphrase, they both think he is an underneath guy that doesn’t get much separation and that his best play might be the slant. They also said that having RM (and MM) may help MC with his underneath route production. TT thought MC was a KJohnson type that isn’t at that level yet.

      • DS94everXev says:

        hof

        Then what makes MC so special? From how you put it, sounds like any WR worth their salt can do that. Meaning the Niners don’t have to keep with him if MC doesn’t look as good as the next guy behind him.

      • Hoferfan67 says:

        My take is that MC can be productive in this JH/GR offense. Just a different (or same for some) perspective coming from the radio side. Either way, if MC is productive this year, the whole offense will be better including RZ and 3rd down conversions.

        BTW, I have to differ with my bud AES. The season doesn’t start tomorrow. It doesn’t start until it counts – game 1. I’d just like to see them improve each and every preseason game leading up to game 1 in GB. looking forward to it!

      • Jack Hammer says:

        I agree with that take on MC Hofer. Good thing the slant is a key part of the WCO : )

        Almost time to get this season going!

    • Neal says:

      Damn Had tickets for the game but my kids has football practice till 6pm. Crap !!!

  18. Razoreater says:

    Mr. Williams will be scrutinized during these preseason games to see if the gas is gone from his brain that recently has been farting

  19. AES* says:

    *did that come from?

  20. Neal says:

    Holy Smokes get your Popcorn. Harbaugh we trust said KW might be returning punts. Can you imagine if he fumbles or does something stupid, maybe dive for a punt, or let the ball hit his knee. I thought you can learn from history, ok just a exhibition game.

    http://www.csnbayarea.com/football-san-francisco-niners/niners-talk/Crabtree-will-start-Williams-will-return?blockID=754321&feedID=2539

    • Nick Row says:

      @Neal
      I think JH wants to test KW by putting him in tough situations. Let’s see how he responds. If his judgement isn’t any better, then he simply won’t make the team. That’s my opinion.

      • Neal says:

        @ Nick,

        Just a exhibtion game, but if he fumbles or does something stupid, the crowd will go crazy.You might be on the right track

  21. AES* says:

    DS94everXev says:

    August 9, 2012 at 4:26 pm

    DS:
    hof
    “Then what makes MC so special? From how you put it, sounds like any WR worth their salt can do that. Meaning the Niners don’t have to keep with him if MC doesn’t look as good as the next guy behind him.”

    @DS
    Is Vernon Davis special?
    What say you DS?

    • DS94everXev says:

      VD forces 2 teams. And still shows up big. VD is one of those who will pull LB’s out for your great one to get open.
      How you get VD from this, who know?

      • Jack Hammer says:

        DS, you have the same broken record disease as Jordo. Skip…Skip…Skip…

      • MidWestNiner says:

        Now now Jack, don’t be so harsh. I mean those two have taught us that it is possible to type and post hot air.

      • Neal says:

        Talking football with DS is like asking for financial advise from Bernie Madoff. Talking about distorted and self serving.

  22. AES* says:

    Failed to answer the question DS.

    Is VD special?
    Yes or no?