Here is Jim Harbaugh’s Monday press conference transcript, courtesy of the 49ers.
I did not attend this press conference, which took place in the boardroom of a Youngstown, Ohio Holiday Inn.
I’m not in Youngstown, but I will be in East Rutherford, New Jersey to cover the game next Sunday.
How are you doing?
“Good. Excited to be here in Youngstown. Looking forward to a great week of preparation here. And feel like it gives us a unique opportunity to circle the wagons and get a great week of preparation.”
Do you guys need to circle the wagons after yesterday?
“Always need to circle the wagons. It provides a unique way, to get the preparation, the mindset, right for our next ball game.”
Can you talk about the decision to come back here to Youngstown? What was behind it? And how you’ll use it, as you said, to kind of grow as a team?
“Well, yeah that and quite a few things. To take out the air travel, somewhere in the neighborhood of eight hours of flight time in what would be a five-day period. So, that’s one of the biggest ones. And also the ability to be here as a team in a unique way during the season. The advantages that the town provides, the facilities at Youngstown State University are excellent. So, several reasons.”
What are the positives to being here, though? What are the things you can accomplish as a group off the field in that regard?
“Well, we’re all staying under one roof for every night that we’re here. And eating those meals together, training together, practicing together, meeting together. And learn more about your team. Learn more about the guys, their stories. And talk football, prepare for a game on Sunday.”
By the time that you guys played the Eagles last year, did you feel like you were on East Coast time? And did you feel acclimated to the time zone that you were playing in after that week here?
“I felt like it. And then you can never put yourself in somebody else’s body. But, we felt like it was a good thing, Matt.”
I understand that you had the chance to meet with Hall of Fame RB Jim Brown?
“Yes.”
How was that?
“It was an honor. It was enlightening. Thought I learned some good things talking to Mr. Brown. My family, especially my dad, has always been a big fan of Jim Brown. They’ve met on several occasions, and this was the first opportunity that I met Jim Brown. And I really enjoyed our visit.”
Do you think it was beneficial for the players, too, just the way they were kind of coming up to him and kind of listening in on those conversations?
“I think so. In fact, I’m pretty sure of it. Yeah, just from the interaction. Just good man-to-man talk, football talk, life talk. It was very good.”
What kind of stuff did you learn?
“Well, we covered several topics. Learned more about him, his story, how he saw the game. How he sees the game right now. That he loves football. And that he has a deep abiding respect for it. And he’s someone that wants to see others benefit from what he knows. So, not hoarding that knowledge, but sharing it. And I think he comes at it with a very unique perspective. He’s seen a lot as it relates to football, as it relates to life. Those are things that he’s most interested in passing on to younger players, younger coaches.”
Did you talk at all about RB Frank Gore? I know that you don’t like to compare guys, but he must be an admirer of hard-nosed running backs. Did he bring up Gore’s name at all?
“Yes. They visited together and all the running backs made it a point to shake hands, or take a picture and ask questions.”
Unique opportunity for WR Mario Manningham as well being this is his home town. Can you talk about his role on the team and kind of his growth? I know it hasn’t been very long here. And then also that opportunity for him to be back here kind of back in his backyard.
“Yeah, and several guys. [G/T] Alex Boone, [WR] Ted Ginn [Jr.], [S] Donte Whitner. I think that goes for several of just the East coast guys, Mid-West east coast guys a chance to practice, play in their area of operation. So, their families can come to practice and Alex can check in on his young son. There’s a lot of benefits that way, as it relates to Mario, Ted. Those guys are going to get home and see some family and same with Alex. And that’s a very good thing.”
But in Mario’s role with the team, can you just elaborate on what he needs to do and what you’re looking for from him?
“What he’s been doing, contributing. And he’s a very good football player that plays at a very high level. And that’s what he’s been giving us and he’s a guy you can count on.”
Your second year here, you came here last year, kind of got into it. Is this year easier as far as practicing here because you guys know what to expect and you know what facilities you can use and when, that kind of thing?
“I think some things will be, yes definitely. We’re doing it for the second time. We’re doing it again. Everything we did we’re doing it for the second time as it relates to being in Youngstown.”
What impact do you anticipate CB Darrelle Revis’ injury having on the New York Jets’ defense?
“I don’t know that.”
Well, Jets head coach Rex Ryan said he’s out for the year with an ACL tear.
“Yeah, so what impact that’s going to have on the Jets? I don’t know that for sure.”
We talked to a couple of your receivers and almost sort of counter intuitively they were disappointed that Revis wasn’t going to be playing because they really wanted to play against one of the best cornerbacks in the league. Do you kind of share that as a coach? Do you want to go against the best? Or do you sort of like the advantage of them being without their top cornerback?
“I don’t think any of us in football, whether it’s your own team or an opponent, you don’t want to see that happen to another player. You don’t want to see them be injured. Just like you don’t want that to happen to your own players. But, I think all players feel the same way. I feel pretty confident in saying that.”
Given the unique circumstances of the travel and all that stuff, what’s the message to the team when you address them? What’s your take on that? What do you tell them to get them going here as you move forward this week?
“What we believe in is pretty consistent. You go to work, find something to believe in and then go to work on that. And that’s what we believe in, is preparation. It’s going to put us in the best position possible to be successful. We go to work and we attack it. That’s our message.”
You mentioned yesterday that DT Isaac Sopoaga and LB Patrick Willis would have X-rays, how did those turn out? Negative?
“Yeah, turned out good for both of those guys.”
When you looked at the film of that game, in what areas do you feel need improvement most, after seeing yesterday’s game?
“Without really getting into specifics, we’ll address that with the guys when we come in. We didn’t play our best and we’ll look at the ways to go to work and fix that. Everybody, players, coaches, that’s something that we’re shouldered with doing. That’s our responsibility to get that done. The Vikings did, they played a very good game. It’s not our mindset, but I sensed this from people that live in a mythical, magical, fantasy world of just expecting that game, that we would win. It just doesn’t work that way. Your enemy has a vote on that and they played a very good football game and we got beat. So we’ve got to bounce back, that’s on us, to work and prepare. Yeah, we’ll go in with confidence that we expect to win any game, anywhere, anytime, anyplace. But that confidence comes through preparation and we’re going to do a great job of that again this week. We’ll be going against another very talented, very well-coached football team, another very hostile environment. That’s just a fact of business. That’s just the nature of football in the National Football League.”
Did WR Nathan Palmer, did he come here with you guys?
“Yes.”
And then he got shipped to Indianapolis?
“Yes. He was signed by the Indianpolis Colts.”
You guys brought in three undrafted rookies, and two of them, Owusu and Palmer are on 53-man rosters elsewhere. Does that surprise you at all? What did you see from those guys in training camp?
“Good things. Going back to the very first press conference we had of the year, after the very first rookie minicamp. I noticed on that day, that we had probably the finest group of young wide receivers I’d ever seen at a training camp, or in a rookie camp. So, no, it doesn’t surprise me.”
Now that you’re here a second time and you’re out with the community and you get to see this type of thing, does this start to become a real home away from home the more time you’re here, the more time you spend with the community, out with people and just being here with the team practicing?
“Yes. Made some very good friends. I learned a lot from a lot of the people we’ve met here. And continue to do that. The more time you spend, the better it gets. There was a young guy from over at the hospital named Tyler, who gave me this beautiful necklace with a picture of Woody Hayes on the front and a little bit of biography on coach Hayes on the back. I was admiring Tyler’s necklace last year, and he brought this for me this year. Had it waiting for me when we came over. Means a lot. Also, Tyler’s in remission from Leukemia, it’s wonderful news, wonderful news to get today. And a wonderful gift too, from that youngster.”
Is this a really interesting change of pace, being West coast guys and kind of coming back to the Midwest? I know some people were from here, but from day-to-day life over there, is it kind of a nice change of pace to be in this part of the country for a week?
“It’s very good. I consider myself a Midwesterner and a Californian and all those things. I don’t see that much difference to be honest with you. But yes it is great to be here.”
You currently obviously don’t have a wide receiver on the practice squad, does that present any sort of a challenge in terms of preparation?
“We’ll address that.”
Going back to yesterday’s game, TE Vernon Davis caught a third quarter touchdown pass, he’s been catching touchdown passes in consecutive games here. How reliable has he become as a scoring threat?
“The proof is there. Evidence is there. He’s been doing a very good job. He can do a lot of things really well and that’s what makes him a very fine player.”
He said he didn’t – when he caught the touchdown yesterday he didn’t celebrate because you guys were losing. Is that team policy or is that just every guy understanding the situation?
“You know, I’ve told you before what it is. It’s within the player’s personality. In terms of celebrating. So there’s no policy, no.”
His point was, you guys were losing so he didn’t celebrate, so just wondering.
“You asked if there was a policy, there’s not a policy.”
I know you haven’t been here long yet, but has head coach Eric Wolford reached out to you, the head coach at Youngstown State University? And have you guys had a chance to speak yet, or any interaction in that regard?
“Not yet. But I know he’s doing a heck of a job and has had a couple great early wins. Have a lot of respect for his program.”
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So … I’m taking it that Pat and Soap are good to go this Sunday?
It sounds like it
El Guapo,
They are working through some things. Lol
Jords … do we need to look at the film? haha!!
I have some family and friends in Youngstown. Not a bad area at all
What a bunch of BS questions. There was only one question about Sunday’s game. Can these reporters grow some balls and ask tough questions?
Nick
I agree. Was this a bye week? It would explain our crappy play yesterday if so. Where are the football questions?
I know JH isn’t giving you any. He’s doing his job. Not an excuse for reporters to not do their jobs though.
Harbaugh doesn’t answer tough questions. Why bother asking?
Clem – This is what you ask Harbaugh then.
“Many Niner fans think you’re a coward for dodging any tough questions, what would you say to them coach?” :-)
msc
Because it is your job.
Mind you, that doesn’t equate to being an ass to a guy and then claim it’s your job to be like that. But I came out reading that knowing nothing more than I did before reading it. That lies on the reporters.
DS – You are exactly right.
It sounds like a staged press conference.
Like if Obama had his own political campaign asking him questions about playing basketball, instead of questioning him on the economy.
C15
Or Romney telling us how bad Obama-care is since its model was Romney’s.
Sorry. You set that up too nicely.
DS – You got me, I do lean to the right :-)
All in fun man. My family is split 50/50.
As for Niners, I know we’ll bounce back strong next week. No sacks vs Ponder means heavy duty pass rush vs Sanchez. He will pay the price Sunday.
C15
I’ll yank you to the left then to getcha back into the middle. lol
Wow that was one of the worst press conferences I’ve ever heard. Grant I know you weren’t there but what is up with all the ridiculous soft ball questions for the coach? I realize he rarely gives much insight but how about trying to get some explanations about being outplayed and quite frankly outcoached by a bad football team coming off a 3-13 season. Are these reporters scared?
hindu19 – Really, no tough questions???
Harbaugh’s made it abundantly clear he is, for better or worse, not going to give anything even remotely close to a substantive answer on “football” questions. I don’t even read most of his pressers now, unless I want to hear about inspiring individuals, or manly men.
I hope the 49ers bounce back from last game. I was really displeased with the coaching decisions, notably not slinging the ball when the game was clearly falling out of reach. They needed a change: either let the Kapper give it a go or get it to Moss. By not trying it left just more questions. We still don’t know if Moss has still got it or not. He’s an athlete. You have to give him the shot to do or die then we won’t be questioning things the rest of the season. AJ Jenkins wasn’t even activated. It doesn’t bode well for the playoffs.
How about a simple question of why there wasn’t 1 deep shot down the field the entire game or the entire season for that matter? I’m sure they called a few but I can’t remember 1 pass that has traveled beyond 20 yards in the air all season. Now they didn’t really need it the 1st two weeks but it was clear the Vikings were only concerned about defending within 10 or so yards of the line of scrimmage.
Thehindu,
We all want to know! Maybe the QB doesn’t feel comfortable doing so. Funny, lots of people seem to think that the Niners have been throwing the football downfield. I agree with you. I’ve not seen it very often. Maybe we missed it?
J23,
Do you really think that if GR/JH were calling deep pass patterns that Smith just wouldn’t throw them?
Even you can’t be that silly, can you?
Smith doesn’t like passing deep unless it’s to Vernon Davis. And even then those shots are too far and few between. Alex has admitted he would rather play cautious than sling it around. It is what it is and a reason why the coaching staff was willing to kick him to the curb had they landed Peyton. This is what you get with Alex at QB as frustrating as it can be. All those 5 yard out routes and dumpoffs are too easy for a defense expecting it from Alex….. Need to force the defense to defend the full field.
Joe,
You got it right. How easy is it to see that. Question, what do you do about it?
Sign Peyton Manning! He wouldn’t let his team play bad at all. He’d be 3-0 as the QB of any team. Oh wait…
He’d definitely be 3-0 with the Niners! Everyone on thi blog knows that. He’s a Bronco and they can’t defend. He deserves what he gets. Chose Denver over S.F.
He would have been flattened by Clay Matthews and Jared Allen. And since he can’t run, it would potentially be worse.
Payton can stop Percy Harvin too, Jordan? Can he kick a field goal a yard higher than Akers so it isn’t blocked? The “team” lost.
You sit in the weeds waiting for the Niners to lose so you can criticize AS. All the regulars on here know you don’t like him, but the fact you pin every loss and bad thing that happens offensively on him shows your knowledge. You must have something else to bring to the conversation.
Uh….did you guys even watch the game? Vikes kept throwing safeties over the top once they got the big lead, took away the deep pass. Ha,rbaugh doesn’t call pass plays into the coverage, if you haven’t noticed over the last 20 games.
Shhh!!!! You shouldn’t state the obvious Ang.
That’s a quick release from Rogers! Wow.
Apparently not quick enough. What’s the record for taking sacks in one half?
8, set last night by Rodgers*.
*I don’t really believe the record belongs to Rodgers, but some on this blog feel that sacks are the fault of the QB and I was taking a jab at them.
Clay Mathews is fired up as usual. Good game so far.
Crabs,
At least we know Russell Wilson can throw deep!
23J – You’ve been loving Seattle/Russell for a while now, you’re not going to jump ship I hope. :-)
Give me names of your top 3 favorite Niners (not Seahawks) so I feel better.
Crabs,
I’m not big on Russell. I do like the fact that he didn’t allow his height to hold him back. I like the fact that he’s a rookie and came in there and won that job. he’s still a rookie. He’s got a lot to learn and a lot of football ahead of him. but you have to respect what he’s done so far. The game is not too big for him. I wish we had him, but I wish we had a lot of guys.
Top 3 Niners.
1. Montana
2. Steve Young
3. Colin Kapernick
Hahahaha!!!
23jordan,
Don’t you also wish JJ is still with us ?
I’d rather read a bunch of no comments rather than these questions. Where’s the hard hitting questions from these guys? Give me a mic. I’d ask.
Coach: do you feel your team came out flat Sunday?
Coach: The focus didn’t look to be there. Why?
Coach: why no deep throws at times in the game?
Coach: what’s your problem with the media? Lol
What a freaking disgrace! Those are ridiculously soft questions considering how bad the coaching was and the week effort by the players.
The New York media has balls! They would not let the coach off the hook after that pitiful performance.
Those questions sucked, no tough questions for Harbaugh.Basically who gives a crap questions.
Harbaugh is a classic. Greatest CB in the game is out for the year, and he says it has no effect on the Jets. The guy gives nothing.
Seattle D looks pretty tough. Division games are going to be a dogfight this year. Strap it on, Niners.
Grant,
I understand your getting this out to everyone so they can see it for themselves. Is there anything that you have been working on that gets a little deeper than this?
Russel Wilson is looking very solid.
If Seattles pass rush is really like this, I think we need to start getting Kap some 1st team reps. We are going to need his escapability. This pass rush has Smith shaking in his boots in Youngstown right now.
Looks like after 3 games, the NFC west has the best defenses in the league!
Let’s ask Cam Newton about that. He should have a great insight into that after being pummeled by the Giants. Better yet, let’s ask Aaron Rodgers.
Yup, 110 yards in the air, the vast majority of which on 2 plays, one of which was a joke that should not have been allowed. Very solid. He did get W though, thats all that counts.
ribico
Every non-west coast team goes to Seattle thinking they’ll win because they are Seattle. They tend not too.
Seattle in Seattle is tougher than any team anywhere. That is why last years AS-MC pass last year to setup the win was such a big deal.
NO/GB/Baltimore/Dallas just don’t get it. Respect the West. And be scared to play in Seattle. AR looked freaked to start the 2nd half.
I posted that in the 1st quarter when Russel was indeed looking solid.
You Smithers sure get touchy when anyone praises a QB other than the Precious.
http://www.mercurynews.com/49ers/ci_21621615/49ers-put-loss-perspective-at-ohio-childrens-hospital
Maybe this is why there were no hardball questions.
Respect the NFC West!
Right!
Holy moly! And we whine about the number of sacks our qb takes?
AR is getting a taste of what AS went thru for years. He’s elite, I don’t get how this is happening!
What do you have to say now?
AR through his career has been sacked a ton.
I love how people are blaming Alex Smith for the whole team, from the coaching on down, coming out flat in the Vikings game. Absolutely pitiful It’s only one loss people, not the end of the season.
But no way are you surprised though. You can’t be since you were here after last years horrible season. I mean AS was the sole reason we lost 4 whole games. And not a part of the 14 wins.
This is par for the course Midwest. At least here it is.
To be honest, it’s not “people”, its one person. But with the volume of his Alex postings it seems like the whole board.
ribico
There are a few more.
We relied on the passing game and the QB. Bad idea. Should have stayed with the running game likecwe did against Green Bay and Detroit. Can’t afford to put too much of a load on Smith. He’s only carried the load for the end of one game in his career. JH learned his lesson. He won’t lean on Smith that heavily again.
The question is, ” Now that we know how tough the defenses are in this division, what is our QB gonna do about moving the football through the air? We will see very soon.
Look at GB now. They go to the tuning game to slow down the pass rush. We tried to trust our starting QB for too long. MISTAKE!
Amazing what happens when EVERYBODY on offense does their job.
Rodgers had ample room to run there on 3rd down. Let’s hang him for instead throwing too high.
Midwest,
This isn’t about Rogers. He is not our QB. Though we diehard Niner fans wish he were. We are stuck with Alex. At least until the end of this year. I think he’s out of here this year. I hope Harbaugh has those Mattresses in Youngstown this week. help Smith with anticipating receivers getting open. he ordered them for Smith last year.
I know it isn’t about Rodgers. I’m just pointing he cost his team a touchdown. Every QB has bad games, but it’s no reason to hang them, especially after one game. I hope everybody on the offense does better against the Jets, including Smith.
It isn’t only on Alex Smith 23. Greg Roman needs to call a better game, the receiving corps need to catch better, and the OL needs to do their job. The whole team failed as a unit. Not just one guy only.
No drops yesterday Midwest. How many times did our QB change the play at the line??? We don’t know that, but we do know he has that option. He did stink it up yesterday though. The defense was not as good as they usually are but they gave Smith chances to make plays. he overthrew it an awful lot yesterday and he missed a ton of open receivers as well. No, it wasn’t just his fault. Staley is becoming a problem. He’s getting beat quite a bit these days. Gore fumbled for the 1st time in a ton of games. However24 points is not an insurmountable lead. Smith had his chances, he said himself, he didn’t get it done. Overthrew Moss 3 times, one for 6 for sure. The jets have a better defense than the Vikings. We’ll see what happens this week.
The whole has to do better. I agree Smith stunk, but so did everybody else. 0 sacks?! Two unnecessary roughness calls?! Gore getting only 12 carries?! Moss not being utilized by Roman?! Staley getting owned more often than not?! It is on the whole team to prove that Sunday was a fluke and not a telling sign.
Midwest, you are right bro. You are absolutely right. Very good points.
Jordo, MidWest does call it straight and always has done so. Did you focus on the drops last week as much as the QB play this week? Fair and balanced? Let’s see how they respond against the Jets.
Yeah, it’s unfortunate the WR’s can’t get open long. VD is the only consistent deep threat and he needs to help the OL. We need more MM and KW – speedy quick guys that can get the 9ers some YAC!
Hofer/Griper – I have a challenge for you pal.
No WR/MC bellyaching until the live blog on Sunday.
You in? You can’t do it.
Already making excuses that guys can’t get open long. Wow. Keep the excuses rolling. We have multiple deep threaghts now, the line is giving him time, 2nd year under Harbaugh. You said yourself last year Hof, this year no excuses. Don’t embarrass yourself.
Bay, you know better! I only deal in facts not hyperbole like you and your bud Jordo. If you and Jordo (especially Jordo) would deal mainly in facts you wouldn’t look so bad when you comment. Give me an example where MC has run away from one DB ball in hand or not. I think MC has excellent hands and catches everything thrown his way but he’s not explosive. We’ll see.
hof
He’s (MC) looked explosive in the first 2 games. Turning up-field quickly.
Last year, his play against the Rams. He threw a stiff arm right into that Ram defender, and never lost any velocity on his way to scoring a TD.
That good enough for you?
And stop with the stupid 23J imitation quotes. You don’t look any better doing it than him.
Hofer,
Here are some facts for you.
1. After 8 years, Alex Smith severely lacks field vision.
2.After 8 years, Alex Smith still overthrows wide open receivers 6 yards away from him.
3. After 7 years, Alex Smith knew he needed help on his footwork.
4. After 7 years, Alex Smith still misses wide open receivers downfield.
5. After 7 years, Alex Smith has more support out of sympathy for what he’s been through in his career, than for his accomplishments as a player.
6. I don’t feel sorry for Alex Smith or his lack of playmaking skills.
7. Alex Smith can’t carry the 2012 San Francisco 49ers on his arm for any 1 game.
8. Alex Smith is a game manager.
9. There are several toys on our offense now that Alex talks about using but says he has to make better throws to those toys.
10. It is difficult to get YAC when you don’t have separation or you have to waste time trying to make a catch that is not thrown to you in stride.
11. you can’t be an elite QB if you still are jittery in the pocket and can’t compose yourself to make a solid throw under pressure.
12. Putting 8 in the box and taking daring Alex Smith to beat you deep is a problem for our Niners.
13. The jets will have the same defensive scheme for us next week.
14. The jets defense is better than Minnesota’s.
15. Our offensive coaches have their work cut out, A
Ong with Alex Smith.
DS, at times. I think MC is an outstanding possession guy but he’s not a YAC guy. He’s not going to make anyone miss the tackle and doesn’t have the speed to take it to the house. Not a diss just need to get the speed guys in the game (mismatches) mainly for RM on the other side.
Jordo, it really doesn’t matter. JH and staff like AS and he is following their directions to the letter. If you have problems with that contact them. They make the decisions not us on the blog. So curb your attitude!
AS is the QB. A QB guru HC hasn’t found another one better. Including Johnson who you claimed was the starter in the offseason.
Blah, blah, blah. Tell me. Has AS won any games in 8 years? Blah, blah, blah. Have you cared? Blah, blah, blah. Why are you still here?
DS,
Notice I said DS. Is that you talking smack? I like that DS. However, you didn’t dispute any of the facts. Yes I know, the truth hurts. See, we can disagree without all the name calling. That doesn’t change the 15 facts!
One game 23 doesn’t spell soon for the whole season. The one true fact (and only fact that matters) is the offense as a whole needs to get better and play better. And the defense can’t lay an egg like it did.
hof
In a small sample size this year, I’ve seen MC get seperation from the guy covering him. He isn’t fast enough to out run the guy in front of him like a VD.
But, that is where VD/KW/AJ?/RM (stil gets the cushion) come into play. If those guys can move the secondary back some away from MC when he gets the pass, MC can get something decent. And if he uses his arsenel more (stiff arm, MC is a strong kid) MC will get YAC like Boldin (sp?) Baltimore WR. He isn’t as big, but MC with some speed and his stiff arm will get YAC. Not the same style as KW (did he look good returning or what!), but who cares.
MC can get YAC here. I’ve said all along, this Niners team has a lot of new weapons. Give them time to figure it out. We will. Give it time hof.
the Oline is not giving enough time for deep passess…AS is getting hit on 3 step drops…
Rib,
Well said.
DS,
True, the Seahawks are a better team than people think, something the rest of the league will learn this year, but the only reason the Packers lost, was they were screwed by the refs. And not only on the non-TD catch.
Ex
No. The refs are A reason. The fact they couldn’t score more is the reason. GB could have played better. Had they, the refs are inconsequential to the outcome of winner/loser.
Close games can be determined by 1 play. People make mistakes. If GB comes out saying we did everything we could, they are lying. Seattle had the lead for most of that game. They forced GB to play the game on their terms. That will result in winning a lot of the time. GB never had control of the pace to that game. Their last posession proved it. They had control of the ball on the last pass. That is it.
DS94everXev says:
September 24, 2012 at 7:09 pm
But no way are you surprised though. You can’t be since you were here after last years horrible season. I mean AS was the sole reason we lost 4 whole games. And not a part of the 14 wins.
This is par for the course Midwest. At least here it is.
NO NO NO!!! Alex smith gets all the credit for 14 wins. Remember? Keep digging that hole bs
Interesting. The elite ARodgers has been walking into sacks and holding the ball way too long. Hmm.
Must be something in the water in that 2005 QB draft. But how does Rogers handle adversity?? We will see. We know how the Niner QB handled it yesterday. NOT!
Maybe they will trade for CK since he was sssoooo good during the PRESAEASON! BBBWWAAAHHHAAAA! LOL!
After one game this season 23? As my two-year old niece says, “Are yu kidin me?”
Midwest,
Just calling it like I see it every game. Jets next week. We will see if it was an aberration. I’m warning you though. That was Alex Smith you saw yesterday. We relied on him too much yesterday. Gotta take the ball out of his hands.
I saw a poorly prepared team, not just one poorly prepared guy 23. I was one of the few here that predicted that the Vikings would be harder to beat than most realized. Unfortunately, I didn’t expect a debacle. I’m not focusing on just Smith but the offense as a whole. They need to execute better when they play the Jets next.
Midwest,
Go back and look at my prediction. I predicted that Minnesota would beat us exactly the way they did on defense. I said put 8 in the box and dare Smith to beat us deep. He can’t do it, and he didn’t do it. Nothing deep.
One of the posters one here pointed out that the safeties one the Vikings D played deep, therefore nullifying the deep threat. But I still would have liked to see them test that. That’s not on only Smith, but Roman and Harbaugh as well. Roman needs to call a better game, and Harbaugh needs to insert Moss into the game more.
midwest
Maybe RM hasn’t earned the extra snaps. You earn your playing time on this team. That applies to RM as well.
“I saw a poorly prepared team, not just one poorly prepared guy”
I saw a team that got away from it’s identity offensively, and struggled most of the day to catch up. The last time I remember them having such a pass heavy start to a game was against New York last year in the regular season, and the outcome was pretty much the same, no TD’s.
This offense and in turn, Alex Smith thrives on balance, and they were anything but on Sunday with 4o called passes and 17 called runs. By not establishing the run they took away their best pass option, play action.
A few of these people act as though RM is the player he was 5 years ago. I got news for them…he’s not! He hasn’t used his vertical leap and he catches the ball and immediately dives to the turf. He can still be used as a weapon but to act as though he is more than he is just is living in a dream world. That’s why MM and KW need more touches. How can you see KW split the defenders on the run back and not see a role in this offense?
I know he isn’t Hof, but he needs to be utilized better.
He may have not earned his snaps DS, but he isn’t being used well either. This has got to change.
You just summed up a poorly prepared Niners team Jack.
You’re right MidWest. Putting the emphasis on the pass with Smith at QB is not a good idea. You need to establish the run so you can use play action, which helps him by limiting the number of reads.
Thing is, that isn’t a knock on Smith or the team considering some of the last Super Bowl winners. Each have had to find some sort of balance one offense in order to get to the summit. The Niners just need to do th same thing.
MidWest,
Wasn’t meant as a knock on Smith, just reality.
I know it wasn’t Jack. I was just saying balance one all facets is currently the thing that has won’t championships.
Ribico, if I’m not mistaken, you live in the NY area, correct? Was checking the weather for the game and am wondering if I need to pack an ark? Sounds like it’ll be wet.
Sean, 10% chance of rain in East Rutherford on Sunday is what weather.com is reporting, 40% on Saturday if you are planning on any sightseeing.
Sightseeing in New Jersey? Now that’s a thought.
Once you get out of the turnpike-oil refinery zone, the rest of the state is awesome. No, really. :)
But my sightseeing comment was directed more to NYC. You know, that city near to where the New York teams play.
I betcha AR is happy we wasn’t drafted by the Niners.
8 times going up in Seattle. He’s had fun I bet. See his eyes to start the 2nd half? He’s scared. For good reason.
Chicago/Minn have nothing on Seattle in Seattle.
“I betcha AR is happy we wasn’t drafted by the Niners.” Well duh he has a championship.
Good thing. Because if he got sacked like this with his OL and was behind our OL, he’d need that ring to remind him of his Super Bowl. He’s not going to remember a lot of his career if he came to Seattle every year.
8 sacks! Some guys would hate AS a ton if that happened in 1 half. You know it.
If AS brought a championship to SF, people would forget his sacks, and blame the line
AS will get blamed for every bad play by more than 1 here. 1 or 10 Super Bowls ain’t changing that.
DS
why do you hate Rogers so much?
Nick,
Because Rogers is 10 times the QB Alex smith is.
Myself, I hate every player not playing on my team. Is that a hard concept to understand? I guess it is for those who hate players *on* their team more than those on the opposition.
Nick
Please show me a post where I call AR feminine names as a means to insult or to demean him. Or infer he is racist because he idolized JM a white QB.
That is called hate. Please use the correct terms. It actually does matter.
And ribico has a decent reply. Remember how I was excited about Owusu in pre-season? The moment he left, he wasn’t a favorite. If he returns he will be once more. You won’t believe me, but I cheer for Niner players and not for other teams players because I am a Niner fan.
Jordan,
I think you hit the nail on the head.
DS
Could it have anything to do with a superiority/inferiority complex when it comes to AS vs AR?
Ribico
If AR was playing againts the Niners, I wouldn’t cheer for him that particular week. But why hate a player simply because he’s on a another team? Doesn’t make sense.
No. How about I am tired of reading posts of AR is so great on a Niner blog. If only we had AR…
Besides AS just kicked AR butt. This was the first time AS team was remotely as good as AR’s team, and AS’s team won.
This falls on years of this blog blabbering about AR. You created what you call me hating AR. If this blog didn’t bring up AR so much, I really wouldn’t care at all.
Question for you
Why do you care at all if I like/dislike/love/hate/indifferent to any non-Niner? This is a Niners blog. Not a GB blog. Why do you defend a non-Niner so fiercely? What if AS ends his career with more titles than AR? Will you look back and say that time spent defending a non-Niner QB was so worth it?
I’ll admit it, I like AR because I’m a Cal alum. I still would NOT cheer for him though when he plays the Niners.
There’s no reason to go on ripping another player in an attempt to make AS look good. Get over it. AS was the 1st pick of the 2005 draft and hasn’t lived up to it yet. AR has. End of story.
Nick
No. You need to get over the fact that AR isn’t here. He isn’t a Niner. Don’t expect any love his way. AS is here. That is the end of the story my friend.
>>But why hate a player simply because he’s on a another team? Doesn’t make sense.
Just as I predicted.
>>why do you hate Rogers so much?
And also he’s a big time welcher. Shouldn’t make promises if he’s not going to keep them. Remind you of somebody?
ribico
Why hate a player who is on the team if Nick is wondering why one should hate a player not on the team?
I’ll like Nick to post that question to a few here.
Ribico
You used the word hate. I think that’s too strong of a word and I doubt you really hate somebody simply because of football.
You – along with a few other Alextremist – have this fantasy that those who are objective of Alex Smith’s game and those who call it like it is are hating on him. That’s just moronic. Alex is a standup individual, good teammate, and – from all indications – a solid family man. I’m critical at times because his on field performance may not be up to par. That’s not hating. That’s wanting the team to be better.
I respect Jim Harbaugh for not showing his cards and pointing fingers, however the questions asked during this press conference sucked!!! How about:
Coach, defense was not able to put enough pressure on the Vikings QB, you had 0 sacks, and vikings appeared to be able to move the ball on the defense what was the main reason for the poor defensive performance!!!
Was the block kick due to a missed assignment or just a great play by the vikings?
This team has played with poise in the past year and suddenly you have One INT by Alex and two fumbles, do you think the players under estimated the Vikings?
Chicago – Those are great questions for Harbaugh, too bad the Bay Area (besides Grant & Lowell) have a bunch of wuss reporters. Where’s the braveness?
Would you ask somebody hardball questions like that after they just visited a children’s hospital?
L.A. P.D. had to ask OJ tough questions after he butchered two people.
Bad example there Crab. One is a killer while the other is meeting with kids that are fighting various illnesses and some even for their very lives.
MidWest – Yes it was but NFL football press conferences are a separate topic.
Believe me, I know about children fighting for their lives so don’t even go there with anything about being insensitive.
I’m not even trying to Crab. I’m just saying that a reporter might not be as inclined to grill Harbaugh after that visit. Tomorrow however will most likely be another story. Don’t worry. Harbaugh will be grilled this week.
Crab the questions listed above were just reflecting the outcome of the game. This is the NFL a multi billion dollar industry and the fans should hear the head coaches perspective on why our team looked like a door mat by a team that just lost to the colts! I am moving on to the next game but however there are many niner fans that have a real bad taste in their mouths for the poor performance.
The good news :
-We still have 13 more games to go
-We did not play our best game and still had a chance to win
- This offense will get better
The bad news:
- Arizona is 3-0
- Seattle is 2-1
GO Niners
That’s what pro bowlers do Hofer. They don t make excuses, they make plays. They are playmakers not GAME MANAGERS!
Rodgers still hasn’t thrown a touchdown yet. It’s only been FGs. Ergo, Rodgers must be a game manager.
And just as soon as I post that, the refs give the Packers a gift.
midwest
Well, that is a first. Refs helping AR out. Why, I never woulda thought of such a thing.
From what I’ve seen so far, the refs are doing there best to win the game for Seattle
Their best
*doing their best
Yup and fans support their team. You not so much!
Hofer,
I like you too. See how much harmony we have tonight. We don’t agree very often Hofer, but we respect each other. Let’s keep it that way. We are both fans of the 49ers. Just different types. I’m just not a fan of our starting QB. I know I just revealed a secret to you. Don’t tell anyone! Bwahahahahahahahahah!
Wow, the refs just took a turnover away from GB
The refs are winning the TO battle tonight
No joke.
Now, they just gave Seattle a bogus pass interference. Total BS call.
RGoodell is leaving an outstanding legacy. Sad.
Do you think he received lessons from Al Davis one how to screw up?
I think Goodell is more of a puppet. This is the owners fault. Cheap bastards :)
Seahawks have one last shot.
WTF, THAT WAS NO TD
That’s an INT
WOW!!
That is a pick! Lol
Most definitely. And a little bit of offensive passing interference too.
That’s offensive P.I.
Holy &$@#! What a way for a MNF game to end. WOW!
Mike Silver just got punked by Rodgers
TRAVESTY! NO WAY IS THAT SEATTLE CATCH A TD!!
It wasn’t a catch it was a INT! WTH! This is what the NFL has come down to? RG and the owners should be embarrassed!
Highway robbery, what the?
Final score
Seattle 6
GB 12
Refs 7
The Packers just got robbed, ridiculous. The NFL should be embarassed. Two referees standing right next to each other with two different calls, and it was obviously an interception. Harbaugh would kill somebody if this happened to the Niners.
Ginger Satan strikes again.
wow that was bad!!! I want to see the post game… GB gets jobbed
There you go, the idiot replacement refs just cost a team a game. Hope you are happy Goodell, you douche bag.
No news here…Goodell works in behest of the NFL ownerships. He is nothing but a puppet…
Referees gotta come back this week! This is really bad. The replacement guys are horrible. This has been the worst call so far this season! The regular refs have to come back by this weekend. Wow!
I didn’t think the Broncos-Falcons game could be topped with its horrendous calls. That just goes to show how much I know.
Jennings should have knocked that ball down
How can PCarroll even accept this win? It’s embarrassing!
Pete Carroll. Nuff said.
He’s down there smirking like an ass, I really don’t him.
He’s peacocking around like he did something!
Exactly. The question is, what would Harbaugh do in such a situation? LOL! Go absolutely APE SH$%!!!!
I don’t think any reporter would want to be involved in that press conference. They might not come out of it alive.
Hofe – Pete Carroll is a scumbag *rick!
Pete is celebrating this win the same way he celebrated all those vacated wins at USC.
GB shouldn’t even return to the field. This is atrocious!!!
The fans need to protest all games next week and not go!!! make a statement fans!!!
Here’s the kicker fellas. THE REVIEW REFEREES IN THE BOOTH ARE THE REGULAR REVEIW REFEREES!!! THEY ARE NOT REPLACEMENT REFEREES!!!!
That’s the best part. It makes you wonder if the game was fixed by Vegas :) What was the line?
Makes you want to hurl, doesn’t it?
Wow, I’m speechless
I hope SYoung goes nuts like he did last week. The owners are taking advantage of the popularity of the sport and making it a mockery! Sham!
WTF these refs are crazy how is that a touchdown
SYoung is ready to go vocal!
If these refs are still here come the Super Bowl, there will be heads that roll.
From the Washington Post:
Goodell said he believes the league can continue to use the replacements until a deal is reached with the referees. “We believe we can,” Goodell said. “They did a very credible job and they’re only going to get better.”
Were his lips moving when he said this?
RG is in denial. He doesn’t care about the fans that pay big big dollars. The owners and RG are arrogant as hell!
Ain’t a plus high enough to show how much I agree with you here Hof.
He isn’t in denial, it’s like you said Hof, he just doesn’t care. Pure, unfiltered arrogance.
Doesn’t RG work for the owners?
“Were his lips moving when he said this?”
Yes – But the voice belonged to Jerry Jones.
If viewership and attendance dropped you’d see the regular refs back almost immediately, period end of story.
Don’t go to the game or watch it on TV if you don’t like what the league is doing. It’s one thing to get all lathered up on the internet it’s another to actually stand by your principles and boycott a tainted product.
Get real coffee
The only way anything can force the NFL to do anything about it like NOW is if theplayers put on a strike NOW. That ain’t happening.
But if it did, that would force the NFL to get new players in uniform ready to play in 5 days. And on top of that, a much lower attendance. Fans aren’t going to see theses guys at the prices they will pay for the real players during these hard economic times.
The ratings would take a dive, and the NFL would actually be in trouble. That is the only way to force the NFL to act NOW. But it isn’t in the cards.
Are you still talking? I get that you’re young and all but stop proving your naivety with your ridiculous attempts at sounding like one of the grown ups with your childish retorts.
I get that you take every chance you get to try and discount anything I say but you’re a clown and no one including myself takes you the least bit serious so for the sake of rest of us please just stop trying.
You had decaff today didn’t you? I wasn’t a jerk to you, don’t know what you’re crying about. Maybe you need to relax.
I have never thought “Let’s discount everything coffee says.” Your imagination runs wild if you think I do. I actually remember saying a few nice things about your posts. Stop looking for fights newbie. The post above wasn’t much of an assault.
DS,
I’ve been telling you what the people up here really think about you. Now Coffee finally had the guts to say it as well. You are uninformed about 98% and your posts and football knowledge underscore that. Time to retire yourself on this blog. Not trying to be mean. Just being honest.
Coffee I agree with you. If people stopped watching/going to the games, the owners would be more pressed to negotiate.
That being said, I don’t think the replacement officials are doing that bad of a job. I believe the white hats are doing a particularly poor job of managing their crews.
Last night for example, the back judge got the call right. The line judge 15 yards out got the play wrong. Instead of conversing with the two judges, the referee assumed (in my opinion) that the play could be reviewed and overturned on review.
I believe there are too many nuances in the rule book for any referee to know them all 7 weeks into the season.
The old referees got calls wrong too. Each year we complain about calls. I believe the NFL just needs better referees to manage the judges across the field. Just my opinion though.
Roger Goodell needs to call an emergency meeting with every owner tonight and NOT allow anyone to leave until an agreement has been made to end the referee lock-out!
Total bush league over the last three weeks with the ultimate ‘blackeye’ coming tonight.
At the present rate of the poor officiating, every replacement referee will need to travel with personal bodyguards.
Sad day for the NFL and every owner should be held accountable!
Watching coach McCarthy doing his best to keep his composure during his presser. Class act.
Kudos to coach McCarthy for quickly deflecting the miserable officiating and keeping to convo centered on the play.
Not bad for a coach who just got robbed!
That ref was staring right at Tate when he shoved #37 down. Same ref is the one who signaled touchdown. Horrific!
Goodell will be busy this week. Worst non P.I. call EVER and horrible TD call.
Busy telling the coaches and players to lay off the scan refs. Just the owners’ puppet that he is.
Scab, not scan.
MidWest – My bad on the stupid comment earlier.
Water under the bridge Crab. :-)
Crabs,
Hard not to like Russell bro. He’s a baller.
130 yds on 21 passes. Figures anyone but AS. ppftt!
That doesn’t change the fact that’s not a TD 23. He played good, but he should have lost.
23J – That ref will get be getting death threats.
He will not see the field again, too dangerous.
The Cheesehead blogs must be goin nuts.
How is Wilson a baller?
Big P,
Russell Wilson is a baller because he is a playmaker. He is a rookie and he took the starting job for the Seahawks from a free agent QB that was supposed to be their QB of the future. He’s not playing like a rookie. The moment doesn’t appear to be too big for him. His team could very easily be 3-0, whether they deserve it or not. He’s doing his part. That 25 yard dart he threw to Sidney last night, Alex Smith doesn’t have that throw in his bag. The kid is barely 5-10 and he’s already playing with the poise of a veteran. The kid has excellent pocket presence and you saw him move around in the pocket and scramble for yardage last night.
He is a playmaker. That last play of the game, he moved around in the picket and threw a pass up there to give him team a chance to win the game. Yes, it was a pick but guess what, they won the game and if he doesn’t make a play out of something that’s not supposed to work, Seattle doesn’t win. Yeah Big P, he is a baller.
Just in the last 8 minutes of the game, here are the bad calls by the refs:
1. Refs took away an INT from GB
2. Refs made terrible pass interference calls on GB and Seattle
3. That last play
The toilet bowl next week. The PAckers(1-2) vs The Saints( 0-3) !!
The elite QB bowl.
I can’t get over that ref. He was looking right at Golden Tate when he shoved #37 to the ground. Are you kiddin me?
The NFL has insulted my intelligence.
Young has some very scathing things to say about the refs, but the zinger belongs to Dilfer. Ouch!
MidWest – What did Dilfer say?
The NFL has insulted my intelligence.
He said more, but this caught my attention the most.
Hofer – You never responded to my challenge earlier.
Loosen up bro.
What a disgrace! If I wanted to watch bush league football and officials I could watch canadian football. The Packers got screwed. How is it that the refs are getting worse each week?
Come on NFL, you’re better than this!
WWE referees have more integrity than these scabs.
Well, that is what you call home field advantage.
Seattle has it. No doubt.
There are so many great minds here who have so much more knowledge about the NFL and it’s rules than me, so I’ll ask the question here. I have two actually.
The first is: when the offensive team has a penalty under 1 minute there is a ten second run off. Does that rule apply on a Delay of Game when offensive team is trying to run out the clock as GB was trying to do before they called the timeout and punted?
The second is: Can’t the Player’s Association sue the NFL regarding these replacement referees? The Players Association has profit sharing revenues with the owners. These replacement referees are damaging the image and profitability of the league. So, if they ( The players union) filed a suit against the league on those grounds, could they force the hand of the NFL when it comes to negotiating with the referees?
The answer to your question regarding the NFL and the ten second run off is yes they can take the penalty and there can be a ten second run off. However, the defense can elect to decline the ten second run off and instead take just the yard penalty.
Chris – Less than 1 minute left, if offense has delay of game penalty there should be 5 yard penalty and 10 seconds run off clock.
I have no idea on your other question.
Medic is right, defense can decline.
I believe the NFLPA has done that already Chris. Unfortunately I don’t have the link to it, but I read it on the ESPN website after week one.
Can’t find it, so just ignore my post here.
What was a great MNF game was completely and utterly ruined by the very inept calling by the refs.
Yeah, I have Golden Tate on my fantasy team….so what?
@ MidwestNiner:
Does this make you feel any better?
Who here is naive enough to think that the NFL’s impending announcement will acknowledge that the use of replacement referees has been a disaster and that the league has settled its dispute with the referee’s union?
This isn’t getting resolved in time for week 4. I wouldn’t put much hope in it getting resolved in time for weeks 5 or 6 either.
Looks like I screwed up the html. Sorry.
How about this?
Claude,
I laughed at that, until I realized how close to the truth it is.
If it makes you feel any better, I was going to throw a flag for offsides on GB anyway…SEA would have had another shot from 10 yards closer.
Steve Young : “A revered game that has been built to something great is being reduced and dragged down. The owners need to find a way to settle this even tonight.”
I don’t think that it would be a far-fetched to say that after tonight the owners are jeapardizing the welfare of these referees by allowing them to take the field. We may be on the verge of seeing the type of violence that takes place with international soccer games.
Sadly, this is where the officiating is taking the game and the owners must take responsibility.
Wow, I know the refs handed the seahawks that game with several ridiculous calls, but even excluding the outcome of MNF, the seahawks and the cardinals look like they will be serious competition this year. I underestimated them severely so far. Both have pretty spectacular defenses. The NCF west will Not be a pillow fight this year. They both have really good pass rush which could be problematic for our offense. No reason to panic but its time for our coaching staff to buckle up.
Golden Tate just proved he belongs on Pete Carroll team. What a loser.
Golden Tate is absolute garbage. I hated him in college and I hate him in the NFL. I can’t believe that overrated bum got drafted so high. He is slow, can’t run good routes, can’t catch, and he’s a total douchebag.
No disagreement here LSX.
+1
What did Tate do that makes him a DB? I must have missed something.
Houston,
He tries to play the game like Hines Ward. Helmet-to-helmet shots on defenders away from the play who aren’t even paying him attention. He had some douchey Winslow-esque quotes in college. Hell, just watch how he played last night and listen to his post-game interview.
Above all, he just isn’t good. There isn’t a single receiver on our team he is better than, including the guys we lost off our practice squad.
In defense of the referee, not the official who called the last play of the game a TD, his hands were tied by NFL replay rules.
The referee under replay is not allowed to go back and review the play to see who had possession of the ball. That means the referee under replay can not go back to the last play of the game and determine that GB had indeed intercepted the ball. He could only go under the hood and see if the ball hit the ground or the player stepped out of bounds or any other reason that the receiver was ineligible to be the first to touch the ball. He is only reviewing that the ball crossed the goal line, the ball didn’t hit the ground, the receiver was in bounds during the play, and that the receiver didn’t step out of bounds prior to touching the ball. He can not establish a change of possession in that replay.
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Yes, that’s true on all questionable scores. However, GB could have challenged the call (don’t remember if they had a time out at the time) and that would have forced the booth officials to review the meret of the call on the field.
Doesn’t the capability to challenge a play disappear after the two minute warning Nick?
@MidWestNiner:
You are correct. In addition, the play was reviewed.
Thanks MWN, I forgot about that. But there is s difference – I believe – between a scoring review and challenged call, but I could be wrong.
Nick,
Starting this year all scoring plays are automatically reviewed, and per the regular official ESPN had in the booth last night, if the ruling on the field was simultaneous possession it cannot be overruled by replay.
Thanks Jack,
By the way, your boy Bruce Irvin had a nice game last night.
Not true Medic,
If there had been undiputed evidence that Jennings had mad that pick and the ball was his, the reply referee coulee reversed the call. He didn’t change the call because he didn’t feel lokehe had that evidence.
Actually, after I posted this, I saw two seperate referees who both were retired and had a combined 53 years of experience* say the same thing I wrote. You can not review “possession” on a scoring play. It would have been nice had he been able to, but he wasn’t.
*Source: ESPN and NFL Network. Gerry Austin. Mike Pereira.
Here is the actual quote :… But that doesn’t matter. Once the call was made, it wasn’t subject to replay review, as longtime NFL official Gerry Austin explained to ESPN. Nor could a booth review have nullified the touchdown on the grounds of offensive pass interference, which was also obvious on replay. “All replay can determine is if the score is correct,” said Austin. “They’re both in the end zone, both with the ball, the ball never touches the ground. They cannot, in replay, determine who has possession of the ball.”
I understand that the NFL commissioner issued a 3rd statement saying that all of a sudden the play was reversible, I believe that is a new interpretation of the rule to save the image of the NFL. As of last night, the adobe acrobrat file of the NFL rules showed that the play was a simultaneous catch was not reviewable.
So, it appears the rules are subjective to interpretation and amendable as needed by the commissioner.
@ Medic One:
That’s odd because the NFL said the opposite in its official statement regarding last night’s game:
Replay Official Howard Slavin stopped the game for an instant replay review. The aspects of the play that were reviewable included if the ball hit the ground and who had possession of the ball. In the end zone, a ruling of a simultaneous catch is reviewable. That is not the case in the field of play, only in the end zone.
I am certainly in the realm of imperfection and could have been wrong. I thought I heard their official statement was that the play was not reviewable. There was so much contraversy and commentary last night, I certain could have misquoted.
Rule 8, Section 1, Article 3, Item 5 states:
Simultaneous Catch. If a pass is caught simultaneously by two eligible opponents, and both players retain it, the ball belongs to the passers. It is not a simultaneous catch if a player gains control first and an opponent subsequently gains joint control. If the ball is muffed after simultaneous touching by two such players, all the players of the passing team become eligible to catch the loose ball.
You’ll notice there is no mention of endzone or field of play.
Under rule 15 section 9 (c) 7 it goes into nonreviewable plays. “Note: Non-reviewable plays include but are not limited to:”
Section 15 Section 9 covers instant replay.
Here is the link:http://static.nfl.com/static/content/public/image/rulebook/pdfs/2011_Rule_Book.pdf
Here are the links to 2012.
http://static.nfl.com/static/content/public/image/rulebook/pdfs/18_2012_Officials_Jurisdictions_and_Duties.pdf
I wonder if there is any way we can get the players and fans to boycott the NFL unless these refs get replaced.
MWN,
I want the real refs back as much as anyone, but what chance do you think there is that the players are going to miss game checks and more than a few fans who have ponied up hundreds of dollars for season tickets are going to let them go, unused?
I’ll tell you, no chance.
Refs should never decide a game. Certainly, THESE refs should never decide a game.
I was seriously laughing like crazy at the end of the Seattle game, and I’m sure the REAL refs were sitting at home doing the same. The NFL has made their bed. They need to end this NOW before it becomes an even bigger nightmare. Bring the real refs back ASAP. The replacements have been awful so far, and I feel that this is the icing on the cake.
If I was a Packers fan, I would be so pissed right now. As much as I hate them, I feel sorry for them right now.
LSX
I’ll never feel sad for the Packers unless a person is actually hurt.
Seattle beat the tar out of the Packers. Their last offensive posession was a joke. They had a chance to seal the game regardless of the refs sucking. They failed. If the Pack don’t think they didn’t do what they had to do (offense in particular), they’ll lose more than they’ll win.
That touchdown covered the point spread. Whoever bet GB must be devastated.
GB was 3.5 point favorites, it was 12-7 before that last play.
I heard on Dan Patrick’s radio show (so it must be true… maybe) that 60% of the money in Vegas was on the Packers.
Vegas always wins in the end.
The bottomline is that Seattle is now tied with the 49ers in the Western Division of the NFL, with Arizona currently in 1st place in the division.
This is for ds and others who like to bring up sacks as Alex smiths failures in the past and want to loop in opinions on how Aaron Rodgers would have sucked as bad.
AR 72 starts. Sacked 176 times
AS 73 starts. Sacked 182 times.
Look pretty damn close don’t you think? Now I know we don’t need to get into other stats and Super Bowl wins. I’m just saying know what you’re talking about. Now I know you want to go on about coaching, and talent, and OC’s, and AR had time to sit and learn. “Which is crap IMO” I just want to make the point that AR has been blessed with great offensive lines like smith too. Just sayin!
>>Which is crap IMO
Bill Walsh? pffft. Pete McCulley could have down the same thing with that team. Wow, you really understand nothing about successful franchises do you?
Actually, I know you do, you just couldn’t resist making an assinine statement as a dig to our current QB, could you?
ribico
You read md’s post expecting different? You are a hopeful one.
md really is screwed no matter what. He doesn’t defend AS at all from dorks who think AS sucks. He says AS is top 7. Hates those who think/thought all along AS is a top QB. Agrees with pretty much every statement that AS isn’t good or gives him credit. But thinks he’s top 7. What?
None of any of that makes sense. He’s here hating. Then it makes sense.
I DON’T believe every qb has to sit to succeed. Dan Marino, JM, Cam Newton, Flaco, elway, Manning bros, and so and so on. I’m not saying they will come in and blow up the first year, but these guys didn’t need 5 years to do so. That’s why the sitting and learning crap doesn’t work with me. NOT every qb needs that.
And ds. Defend AS? From what? I’m not his savior, I’m not his family member, I’m not his teammate. Neither are you. Those who want to question his play have every right and SOME cause to do so. I root for smith to do well. That’s all a fan should and have to do. I will never be as pathetic as you and your defense on a certain player. I support the TEAM!!! Defend Alex Smith. Ha ha haaaaa
Md,
His play the last 7 + years is indefensible. He’s simply not very good. Your top 7 prediction wasn’t either. You’re my guy and I admire you for your stance on the top 7 wish. But that’s exactly what it was. A wish. All wishes don’t come true.
There is far too much talent at QB in the NFL to even think Smiyh could be close to top 7. I keep going back to the same thing. If NOBODY wanted Smith in free agency, what does that really say for Smith. It says that Smiths limited success last year was due to JH system and our defense and special teams. Not every coach in the league can change Smiths diaper. Sometimes, whether Smith knows it or not, he does have to go make a play.
Smith said he didn’t like it when coaches would tell him to “Go make a play!” They felt like he could, he was the #1 overall pick. That’s the difference between Smith and the elites. When the original play breaks down, the elites go make a play. Alex feels like he should wait for the next play call. He doesn’t like that pressure of making a play. It’s because he’s failed more times than not. Last week, Smith needed to go make a play. He couldn’t. He can’t and more times than not, he won’t. He needs the perfect call that has VD in single coverage on a defender single covered. That’s it, that’s all. How about Kyle Williams deep, Ginn deep, Crabtree deep, Moss deep, Manningham deep????? NOT!!
@ ninermd: I wouldn’t start worrying about your bet just yet. The current rankings of NFL QBs, using the league’s official passer rating stat:
http://www.nfl.com/stats/categorystats?tabSeq=0&statisticCategory=PASSING
Alex Smith is ranked No. 7, even after his mediocre performance in Minnesota. That ranking is an actual fact. It’s also further proof that, once again, 23welcher doesn’t know what he is talking about. Some things never change, and the welcher’s schtick is one of them.
Claude,
Throwing that crap out there is further proof that you don’t know jack about football. You are just some nerd that misses debating people. You miss ” your game “. So you try to talk football. It’s a joke.
Alex has elite weapons now. Like Hofer said no excuses. Smith now is near the bottom third in yards per pass. Still just playing safe. No chemistry with wide receivers. His ranking is based on high percentage short passes and low turnovers. We need more. Flawed rating system.
J23…. Cool that we don’t agree on my prediction. But I’m sticking with it. He had a bad game, and I’m hoping to see him stretch the field more, that’s a small task from before where he had so much more to improve on. He’ll get there. I’m not trippin. I know you’re not a big fan, and I am not ready to anoint him JM or anything, but the way he improved last season deserves some credit and rooting IMO. I’ll continue to roll with smith and see if he can still improve as a qb. Big strides last season and after this season we will see if he made more or hit his ceiling. But again gotta roll with him this season. He earned that from me.
@ bay:
So you say, but since you’ve continually been wrong about Smith, just like your bff, 23welcher, you have zero credibility on the subject, just like your bff, 23welcher.
Passer rating correlates to winning at a much higher percentage than does gross passing yardage or even passing yards/play. Other than turnover margin, it’s probably the stat most correlative to winning.* The stats you stubbornly care so much about are of lesser importance to the outcome of football games. I’m sorry that you can’t seem to comprehend any of the foregoing, but that’s not my problem.
Nor is it my problem that you obviously don’t understand or appreciate Jim Harbaugh’s football philosophy. Smith is playing the game exactly how Harbaugh wants it played. That you don’t like Harbaugh’s style of football and desperately want lots of shiny passing yards is both irrelevant and pointless. Harbaugh is the head coach, and he’s been successful everywhere he has coached. You, despite all your alleged football knowledge, don’t have a job coaching the 49ers, any NFL team or any football team at any level. As a result, Harbaugh is unlikely to change his philosophy because you prefer a different style of football. For most people, that probably would be enough to make them reconsider their stubborn adherence to a questionable opinion. But not you.
So, call me all the names you want in some vain attempt to marginalize me, but don’t think it changes the fact that you are willfully ignorant.
I’m going to continue enjoying the 49ers’ continued success. You won’t be able to because it will mean you’ll have to admit you are wrong, and you apparently don’t have the stones to do that. What you will do is poke your head out gleefully when the team loses, blame it all on Alex Smith and then disappear back into your hole after the victories. Have fun with that. At least you’ll have 23welcher for company in the hole. I’m sure it will be cozy.
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* I hope that I am not going too deep for you here, but that’s probably why avoiding interceptions results in a higher passer rating.
Claude,
now who’s the one full of it? You JH’s best friend and confidant? How do you know AS is playing it how JH wants it played? Especially when AS so harshly criticized himself and his play?
Last year the Smithers ALL which means collectively settled on their favorite excuse which was that Smith needed weapons. Now with better weapons he is averaging a full yard less per completion.
I still stand by my statement that the 49ers picked up Moss in attempts to lure PM. Moss does not fit Smith’s game. He doesn’t look at the WR vertical route, can’t throw it accurately or confidently. Moss and Alex Smith make zero sense.
And it’s become such a joke that Hofer is now questioning Moss’s leaping ability lol. Right. Hofer should actually let RM attempt to fight for a ball before he throws that excuse out.
All these fancy toys and Smith is still Smith….. The 49ers deserve better. At some point if there isn’t improvement you got to give the kid a chance. The kid that Harbaugh found and drafted.
“Now with better weapons he is averaging a full yard less per completion.”
Bay you are comparing 16 games in 2011 to 3 games in 2012. If you don’t know how to use comparable stats/facts you shouldn’t use them.
I was disappointed in the playcalling against the vikes but I know the 9ers have the best team in the league and you’ll be saying the same thing come playoff time. I agree with MD, I still think AS will be a top 7 QB this year and his yds will increase but not at the cost of losing. Stay tuned and enjoy…
Bay says, “Now with better weapons he is averaging a full yard less per completion.”
No he’s not. He averaged 7.1 for last season and is at 7.0 through 3 games this year.
@ bay:
If you don’t think that Alex Smith is playing QB the way Harbaugh wants him to, then you aren’t paying attention. Then again, that wouldn’t be the first sign that you aren’t paying attention.
Another sign? You keep recycling the same uninformed crap even after other commenters have shown you that it’s complete crap. For example, you keep asserting that Smith can’t throw the deep pass with accuracy or confidence. On more than one occasion, including just yesterday, that assertion has been refuted.
From http://blog.vikings.com/2012/09/20/defense-doesnt-want-to-turn-49ers-deep-passing-game-moss-loose/
A closer look, however, will tell you that San Francisco can move the ball with an explosive passing game when they put their mind to it. The number of completions of 20+ yards will not blow you away, but the 49ers efficiency in doing so does. In 2011, the 49ers were tied for the second fewest passing attempts of 21+ yards, yet they were tied for 9th in completion percentage and averaged 11.72 yards per attempt – more than Atlanta, New England and Philadelphia – on those passes. This year, San Francisco is once again tied for fewest pass attempts of 21+ yards, yet their tied for 3rd in completion percentage (50%) and QB Alex Smith has a 127.1 passer rating on those passing attempts.
By the way, Smith had a 111.4 rating on his 2011 deep pass attempts.
So, to answer your question, I’d say that, without question, you are the one who is full of it.
I wonder is Bay ever gets sick of being smacked around by Claude. Lord knows it’s happened enough times, you think Bay would have learned his lesson by now. Bay is like a dog that refuses to be house broken; he makes a no-no on the rug, and Claude rubs his nose in it.
If I were Bay, I would be too embarrassed to even post again.
@ Jack:
That’s yards/attempt. Bay is actually correct that Smith’s yards/completion average has dropped. The numbers from Sunday dropped his average by almost a yard/completion.
My bad. That’s what happens when you don’t dig deep enough. Moving on…
@ LSX:
Thanks, I think. I’m not sure what it says about me that I continue to try to housebreak a dog that refuses to be housebroken.
As for Bay posting again, he has written that he will stop posting if Smith plays like Smith (low on yards/attempt) in 2012 and the 49ers bring him back for 2013. Regardless of how well the team does this year, Bay said he would lose interest in the team under such a scenario.
Of course, 23welcher said he would stop posting altogether if Alex Smith was on the 49ers’ roster for 2012, and we all have seen how that worked out. The question is whether Bay is more honorable than 23welcher. I tend to think he is, but we won’t know for several more months.
@ Jack:
As you have repeatedly said, it’s still too early to form any lasting conclusions about anything this season. It’s probably also too early to be digging deep about anything.
Moving on sounds like a good idea.
Bay,
If you look at each years passer rating rankings you’ll find the good QB’s at the top of the list and you’ll find the bad QB’s at the bottom of the list.
Just because the list doesn’t fit your “Smith sucks” narrative, doesn’t make it flawed.
@ LSX,
why should I be embarrassed to post? Claude didn’t discredit a thing I said. He provided some data in attempts to do that. I happen to disagree with that data.
Smith is giving us more of the same. It wasn’t good enough last year so why should it be good enough this year? Especially with the defense early on no looking as dominant as last years?
I’m going to get off the subject now because we are only three games in. I’ve given Smith his kudos the first two games. However I did mention that even in winning his inability to look down field towards receivers and his penchant to check down too quickly still exist. This last game I didn’t see leadership ability, I didn’t see accurate throws, I saw once again another wide open touchdown missed, saw checkdowns galore. If you guys want to hang your hats on that, then go ahead. Harbaugh is up to his tricks again. Last year Smith was “elite” lol, this year he is an “expert in our offense”. Ok, if you say so.
@ Exgolfer,
I don’t buy into the QB rating. Flawed system. Last year Smith ranked top ten in that system while being in the bottom 3 in scoring, yards and third down conversions. Sound like top ten to you? If the front office thought they truly had a “top ten” QB, then why did they play hardball with his contract and potentially let him walk? Why did they flirt with Manning? I’ll answer for you. Because what Smith did last year was not good enough. And with all the money they invested in new weapons, more of the same which is what he’s done so far is NOT GOOD ENOUGH.
Bay,
Let’s see if it’s not good enough at the end of the season.
@ Bay:
I happen to disagree with that data.
You “disagree” with the data? What does that mean? Are you saying the numbers were recorded or reported incorrectly? Did you track the same stats and come up with different numbers? If not, you can’t “disagree” with the data. Facts are facts.
Or, do you “disagree” with the data because it is not consistent with your subjective beliefs? When data is inconsistent with your subjective beliefs, it’s pretty much proof that those beliefs are wrong. Which brings us back to where we started.
PS – The 49ers ranked 11th in scoring, which is nowhere near near bottom 3. (See how I disagree with your reporting of that stat? That’s how one disagrees with a cited piece of datum.) Why do you keep getting basic facts wrong?
PPS – Why do you also continually fail to grasp that passing yards simply aren’t important, or at least aren’t as important as passer rating and low interception rate? It’s not very difficult to compare how each stat correlates to winning. I’ve done it for you on multiple occasions. Yet, somehow, you just don’t seem to get it. The only thing flawed around would appear to be your reasoning.
Maybe that’s what LSX meant.
PPPS – You can type in capital letters all you want, but it doesn’t make your incorrect statements any less incorrect.
Claude,
Why are they working on refining an advanced QB rating system? Because the current system is flawed. The advanced QB rating system more so focuses on game changing stats. Not safe short game managing stats. the current system has Two QB’s listed in the top ten that don’t belong. Kolb and our Smith.
So if I choose to ignore a flawed QB rating system how is that different than you ignoring lack of production, historic league low third down conversions, lack of field vision, lack of attempts over 20 yards to WR?
Claude like I said, go sit in your nerd circle and debate with other nerds. I am a football fan. I don’t care about your cherry picked bits of information.
@ Bay:
Why are they working on refining an advanced QB rating system?
Who is “they”? As far as I know, the NFL is not revising the official passer rating formula.
the current system has Two QB’s listed in the top ten that don’t belong. Kolb and our Smith.
Says you. Why are you so sure they don’t belong? Smith had two very good games against GB and Detroit. I haven’t seen Kolb play, so I cannot comment on whether or not he belongs. That said, in 2011, 9 of the top 10 rated passers made the playoffs. The stat simply correlates to winning; it’s not flawed. To the extent it could be improved, I wouldn’t mind seeing the formula adjust for difficulty of schedule. Of course revising the 2011 numbers to account for the quality of defenses faced would only have served to improve Smith’s rating.
Besides, the season is only 3 weeks old. Let’s see who’s in the Top 10 midseason, and how well their teams are doing, before judging how reliable the stat is this year.
how is that different than you ignoring lack of production, historic league low third down conversions, lack of field vision, lack of attempts over 20 yards to WR?
Because those things either don’t correlate so highly to victory (all but field vision) and thus are less important, or are merely something you made up and for which you have no data to support (field vision).
I don’t care about your cherry picked bits of information.
I don’t think you know what “cherry-picked” means. The NFL’s official passer-rating statistic is anything but a cherry-picked stat. First, it incorporates several important aspects of passing efficiency – completion percentage, yards/attempt, TDs/attempt, and interceptions/attempt – so it doesn’t merely focus on a single part of the QB’s performance. Moreover, by it’s very construction, the formula allows for a meaningful comparison of QBs from high volume passing systems, run-based systems and balanced systems – it doesn’t reward or punish a QB based upon the system in which he plays. Second, as I continue to tell you, and you continue to ignore, passer rating correlates highly to team victory. Finally, for some of the reasons just mentioned, it is the statistic that the league itself uses to measure QBs, or at least uses to measure them as passers. As a result, it’s a comprehensive, relevant, reliable and officially-sanctioned statistic for measuring a QB’s worth. That’s pretty much the exact opposite of a “cherry-picked” stat. And of a “flawed” stat for that matter. That you defiantly “don’t care about it” says a lot about you and your understanding of football, none of it good.
go sit in your nerd circle and debate with other nerds. I am a football fan.
No one said you weren’t a football fan. I’m sure you are. Just don’t pretend like you are a knowledgeable one. The fact that you keep getting shown up in these arguments has nothing to do with me being a nerd (way to elevate the debate) and everything to do with your refusal to accept that your football prejudices aren’t based upon sound football judgment.
Bill Walsh was a football genius because he studied the game and came up with an offensive system that worked and won games. Jim Harbaugh also spends a lot of time researching and studying to develop, form and refine his system, and that system thus far is a proven winner. That both of them came up with systems that don’t emphasize your beloved down field passing game and instead feature shorter controlled passes and minimization of risk should tell you all you need to know about the style of football you prefer.
There’s nothing wrong with saying that you prefer a wide open, big yardage, down field passing attack. But just because you prefer that style of football doesn’t mean it’s the best way to win football games or that QBs and coaches who prefer a different style of offense are somehow lesser for it.
Given your preference for down field passing, tell me again how it is that you are a 49ers fan instead of a Raiders fan?
This has gotten old. No matter how much relevant supporting information and data I provide, you stubbornly refuse to even consider that you might be wrong. If the facts don’t agree with your predetermined opinion, then the facts must be wrong. It’s like trying to convince a flat earther that the Earth is round.
Moreover, your ego has made you look foolish and it has kept you from enjoying the 49ers’ success since Harbaugh arrived. I guess the good news is that you seem to be staying away after victories and appearing only after losses. Hopefully, that means we won’t have to put up with you very often this season.
next useful stat is plotting the # of sacks on which downs…probably more of a determining factor on sack effects on the game
jg
That means little unless you look at field position. A 5 yard sack on the opponents 6 on 3rd down is not equal to a 5 yard sack on the opponents 38 or your 2 (resulting in a safety).
Also time left in the half matters a great deal and if you are winning/losing if the sack happens late 2nd/4th quarter.
ok, do a combination of weighted sacks…my point was to establish that a stand alone sack stat is not powerful enough for me without all those other weighted attributes…thnx for fleshing out the argument a bit more
After watching that game last night I have to say Seattle does t scare me. They beat AR up in the first half, but the second half they couldn’t stop GB, and had 1 total first down. Craphawks aren’t fooling anybody. They are who we thought they were.
Why does Prime disappear when his hero fails?
He’s visiting his shrink for therapy
Oh, I’ve seen him. But to answer your invalid question, likely to avoid the vomitous stench coming from the likes of 23J and all others sh*tting on our team.
Why does bay disappear when Smith and the 49ers do well, but magically find the time to post comments when they don’t?
Get over it, GB. If it comes down to one play, the losing team should not complain. They didn’t do enough the rest of the game to win, games are not won or lost in the 4th quarter, comebacks are bogus statistics.
Haven’t we heard that “logic” around here before?
It isn’t just Green Bay that is upset about the play. What’s alarming to me is that the replacement refs have one-upped their ineptness each week. I cringe at the thought of what week four will be like.
I’m in total agreement MWN. My previous posting was sarcasm on some of the arguments that have been fought on this board.
ribico
The 1 play bit I believe in. Had GB managed a first down their last posession, the refs have no opportunity to blow the game. And a lot better punt would have helped as well.
Give Seattle D credit. The game should have ended with AR kneel-down. GB was fortunate that fumble was recovered by GB at the 1.
DS – Who won Grant’s game plan contest? Did he ever announce a winner?
Crabs,
I did! Check my posts.
23 – I read it congrats.
I don’t know what you’re talking about C15.
I did write that I think the only way to beat our D was to do whatever you do best, and Minn more or less stayed true to their identity not passing it 50 times. But I don’t recall a contest this week or prior. Sorry.
Rocket, Jack Hammer, Manny and Daniel Quigley all pretty much nailed it.
Grant – no Niner playoff tickets for those winners?
Grant,
You’re killing me Smalls! Lol
P. Manning 1-2
B. Rothlesberger 1-2
Shady Tom Brady 1-2
C. Newton 1-2
D. Brees 0-3
A. Rodgers 1-2
M. Stafford 1-2
A. Smith 2-1
How many yards? That is how you determine good from bad. You’re too old man
sarcasm
And there are 11 other QB’s at 2-1 (including a sophomore and two rookies) and three QB’s at 3-0.
What’s your point? Are you saying that the team record only indicates how good the QB is?
Shoot, even Mark Sanchez is 2-1, and having just finished watching his first 2 games from this season all I can say is WHEEEEEW!!
That’s exactly what he and ds are saying. I mean Alex smith went 14-4 last season. You’ve seen ds comment on this. All credit to smith for beating Bree’s, Rodgers, and Eli. But when we lose its the teams fault. C’mon 49ergirl. Where have you been?
the point of my post was i have no point. all the statitcal arguements that go on in this blog are equally pointless. the only # that counts is a teams record at the end of the season
Well said MD
Here’s another way to put things in perspective.
What would Alex Smith have done if he were Seattle’s QB on the last play of last night’s game?
Let me frame this, just in case some of you didn’t watch the game. 4th down, 8 seconds left in the game, ball at the Packer 29. Seattle QB takes the snap, gets pressure from the left side, pivot rolls to the left to buy time, launches the ball into the endzone into quadruple coverage. Ref calls TD. Game over.
Alex Smith would have – most likely – rolled right, given that the pressure came from the left side. This would have limited his options as the deep routes were on the opposite side of the field. Check down, game over.
Or AR steps right, takes a sack. Like he did 8 times last night.
Why do you insult the Niners QB?
@ Nick:
Given that the 49ers frequently gave up pressure from the left side during the Green Bay game, I would like to think that the 49ers wouldn’t call a Hail Mary to the left side of the end zone. I also would like to think that, unlike Russell Wilson Smith would have called the correct play in the huddle.
But at the end of the day, you’re right. When it comes to getting the referees to make a horrendously bad call on an end-of-the-game Hail Mary pass, Alex Smith has a terrible track record. In fact, he’s never done it. Not once has he ever gotten the officials to incorrectly rule an obvious interception a TD reception. Not once. Why anyone thinks he can play QB in the NFL is beyond me.
Thanks for the perspective.
Fair enough, Coach – you can’t argue with that!
>>What would Alex Smith have done if he were Seattle’s QB on the last play of last night’s game?
What if?
Before that play Seattle’s QB had passed for 100 yards. Even Alex’s measly output doubles that and we don’t have to settle for a Hail Mary prayer that depends on scab refs to make good.
What if? I mean we are talking hypotheticals, right?
Nick,
The difference between Alex Smith and Russell Wilson is that Alex Smith is a game manager to the T! Going away from the plan is not in his DNA. His college coach told us all that. He can’t deviate from the script. He doesn’t like trying to MAKE a play. He wants the play drawn up for him do he can follow directions. He is a GAME MANAGER! Coach calls a play, Smith runs the play. He’s not a playmaker. Never will be one. You saw that bonehead sack he took the other day when he rolled right and was right next to the sideline and hot hammered!
This guy kills me. And people wonder why I don’t i’m preparing to go out of town next week so perhaps we can talk more or meet when I return.like his play! Because he can’t play. Everything has to be perfect. The play call has to be perfect, The blocking has to be perfect, the receiver had to be 5 yards away from the defender and must be wearing#85.
He can’t and won’t manufacture a play from a broken play. Sometimes you have to do that in the NFL. The Smithers are hypnotized by those baby blue eyes!!! Can’t wait until JH gets tired of babysitting the system misfit game manager.
Last year was last year. We get behind by 10. Warm Kap up. We’re not coming from behind on the arm of the check down king! Alex Smuth would’ve thrown that ball to Frank gore for 7 yards last night. Or he would’ve thrown it just far enough out of bounds so that it doesn’t get caught by our player or intercepted by the opposition. The truth hurts.
Watch out Nick. The welcher’s sending you subliminal messages.
This guy kills me. And people wonder why I don’t i’m preparing to go out of town next week so perhaps we can talk more or meet when I return.like his play!
I didn’t know they worked in text form.
Claude,
What team do you root for next year when Your boyfriend is gone? You do know that Alex Smith is GONE!!! Outta here!! Bwahahahahahahaha!
I thought the hypotheticals thread was in the last blog. It seems to only come up if there is negative thought on AS. Then it seems to be ok.
If it is a positive AS thought, then you don’t know any football and aren’t a fan of the team. Only AS.
That is how it sounds to me.
old coach
But to many people here, stats are facts that prove your case. But only the ones that match your view to start out with. The other ones that lean towards you being wrong are dismissed outright.
So, my whole point is why discuss them at all? You’re right back where you started from, so why?
@23welcher:
You mean “gone” like how you guaranteed that Alex Smith wouldn’t be back this year? How’d that prediction work out for you? Or the Josh-Johnson-will-be-starting-for-the-49ers-by-Week-6 prediction?
I’ll be a fan of the 49ers next year, regardless of who the QB is. Unlike you, it’s not about one player for me.
AS has a 3 year contract. Had the Niners only wanted him for 1, they only sign him for 1.
Is it really that complicated?
Fraud nuts,
You can tell me. What team will you root for. Alex May be unemployed next year so maybe you’ll be off the blogs all together. I’m gonna miss captain cut and paste. Please tell me what team fraud. You seem like a closet Patriot fan.
@23welcher:
I’ll still be a 49ers fan. Unlike you, I keep my word.
By the way, why are you sending subliminal messages to Nick about meeting up when you get back in town?
Fraud Nuts,
So you’re not going to tell me you’re backup team. Alex Smoth played like CRAP. What did you see about his play that was mediocre? Oh that’s right, this clown didn’t even see the game. Let me cut and paste it to you! Closet Brady fan huh? Never would’ve figured that Brady>>>>>>>>>> Alex Smith!!!
claude
I’m asking you because I know 23J won’t, to please stop this. He’s only here to fight. Stop providing him more material please.
Thanks bud.
@ DS:
That’s a fair request. It was getting boring anyway. I wonder why my pointing out his subliminal typo got him so riled up.
Fraud nuts,
Thanks Fraud. Funny, I got a text to a female somehow copied to my message. See, I actually have a life! Not just arguing with you clowns about our game manager of a QB.
Nick, my bad and I’m sure we’re on the same page with regards to the Niners QB.
DS94everXev says:
September 25, 2012 at 2:16 pm
I thought the hypotheticals thread was in the last blog. It seems to only come up if there is negative thought on AS. Then it seems to be ok.
If it is a positive AS thought, then you don’t know any football and aren’t a fan of the team. Only AS.
That is how it sounds to me.
Sucks how your hypocrisy bites you everytime doesn’t it? Lord forbid if you call smiths play bad too.
And now you are telling ribico and Claude how and who to post too? That ego is bigger than your brain. I’ll give you that.
Alex Smith has a 1 year deal. And that might be too long. Fraud nuts said alex have an average game last week. No that is a Smither for you. Average??? NOT!! Bwahahahahahahahaha!
what are the reasons for coming out flat both individually and team wise….
maybe the niners were looking a bit too forward to that manly time in ohio and lost focus on the game thinking it was some kind of man vacation….losing that ‘eye of the tiger’ thing and talking themselves into being comfortable at least more than last year…..
they need to get their edge on
I know i’ve posted this before but the nflpa sure seems complicit in their silence regarding the scab officials. It seems to me they should be screaming about player safety but i have’nt heard word one from them especially in an official capacity. I just wonder wether they have cut some sort of deal with the owners to buy their silence.
The replacement refs are doing all their talking for them with their incompetence.
There’s a lot of screaming on Twitter – the players aren’t being silent. Drew Brees sent this one out – “Ironic that our league puishes those based on conduct detrimental. Whose CONDUCT is DETRIMENTAL now?”
If I remember correctly, Brees is a member of the active players who is also heavly involved with the NFLPA.
@ old coach:
It seems to me they should be screaming about player safety
They have: https://www.nflplayers.com/Articles/Public-News/Letter-from-Executive-Committee-to-Owners-on-Ref-Lockout/
Thanks Claude,
Hadn’t seen that before – its good to see the NFLPA sticking up for the refs and the game itself.
thanks c-balls
@ old coach, 49erGirl:
Here’s another statement from the NFLPA, released today:
http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2012/09/25/nflpa-executive-director-demaurice-smith-statement-on-referee-lockout/
Week #3 Pick’em Rankings
* The league owes these teams a point for that atrocious game ending last night. I seriously considered not counting the Seattle “win,” but in the end Jack,Angus and 49ergirl all got their dirty undeserved point.
Crab15 30*
Jack Hammer 29
Angus in Canada 29
ninermd 29*
pirate49er 28*
rocket 28*
hjt396 27*
Coffee’s for closers 26*
Nick Row 26*
49erGirl 25
D Rogue 25*
msclemmons67 23*
elGuapo 23*
oldcoach 16*
MidWestNiner 15*
DClark 10*
Medicone 10*
exgolfer 8*
23jordan 6*
Chris 5*
Why do I feel like I have to take a shower now?? lol!
Good call 49er Girl.
I went to bed feeling like I lost a good friend
Quit your whining Coffee ; )
derp
derp right back at you Coffee. It was meant as a joke, chill out.
Woah, you’re the one needing a switch decaf. I say derp and then you accuse me of the one not being able to take a joke. /shrug OK.
Double shot espresso this morning. Good stuff, WHEEEW!
Yeah. I want my point. That was the difference between 4 people tied for second and 1z lol
I’m going to win this bad boy :)
Still on top but no room for error now.
♪♪♪You can’t catch me ’cause the rabbit done died.♪♪♪
Never knew what Steven Tyler (Aerosmith) actually meant by that but it sounds good to me.
Thanks for the update Coffee’s for closers!
@ Crab:
Never knew what Steven Tyler (Aerosmith) actually meant by that
Are you serious?
Yes
Some girl became pregnant and named the singer as the father.
Do a Google search on “rabbit test.”
C-Balls – I googled rabbit test:
early pregnancy test developed in 1927 by Bernhard Zondek.
C’mon man, I’m not that old. :-)
@ Crab:
Did you see the reference to “Sweet Emotion” in the In popular culture section of the Wikipedia page?
C’mon man, I’m not that old.
According to Bay, I am because I don’t hate on Alex Smith.
C-Balls – Yes, I saw it……was just messin with ya bro.
I should’ve googled that many years ago.
@Crab:
It’s all good.
We don’t need to go over the “… said my get up and go must’ve got up and went” verse, do we?
“… said my get up and go must’ve got up and went”
Isn’t that what happened to Mora on Saturday against the Beavers?
@ Jack:
I did not see that game either. What happened?
Claude,
UCLA lost to Oregon St. The Bruins couldn’t get up for the Beavers and came out flat.
@ Jack:
The Bruins couldn’t get up for the Beavers
So you were making an impotence joke. Nice.
Hammer – Agree, UCLA was soft for the Beavers Saturday.
@ Crab:
That’s nothing to be ashamed of. I’m sure it happens to a lot of teams.
CB – Are you surprised Niners are 4 point favorites vs Jets?
I doubt Darrelle Revis swayed the oddsmakers, they must know we’ll be ready to play this week.
@ Crab:
I get the impression that, the Buffalo game aside, the Jets have not been playing particularly well this season. I think the 49ers match up well with them, particularly with Revis out.
Then again, I thought the 49ers matched up well with Minnesota.
We would have beaten the Vikes if we punched it in after Williams return, if Gore didn’t fumble and if AS hit a wide open Randy Moss.
Sometimes the defense needs a little help too….
time for the NFL to find a new commissioner
Goodell is no leader…he is a scab like the refs…
the NFC is now tainted, especially the west and north
I actually thought Goodell was a good commissioner until this referree issue. He’s heavy handed but his leadership has been good for the league up to now.
I blame the refs as much as I would blame that poor Raiders long snapper that flubbed all those snaps a week or so ago. They are truly doing their best and at this level their best isn’t good enough but that isn’t their fault, truly. This is no different then trying to ask a registered nurse to perform open heart surgery and then blaming her for killing the patient. (of course it doesn’t help that the hospital in that situation is saying that the patient killing nurse is doing a good job)
I’ve always sided with the owners in negotiations, it’s their business they created it and they get to run it however they want to, no different then any other privately owned company. They had every right to lock out the officials if they didn’t want to meet their demands but the problem is they hoped that the alternative would be good enough to force the NFL refs back to the table and their strategy has backfired. Without any further cards to play and clearly not in a position of leverage at this point they simply must accept that they’re going to have to swallow their pride and do what it takes to get the NFL quality referees back in place.
WOW!!!! I could care less about the packers or the seahawks however last nights game was a disgrace to the NFL owners and disrespect to all the players and coaches that spend their lives to put together a top notch NFL performance for the fans! The outcome of last nights football game may impact so many different teams in the NFC conference and their ability to advance to the playoffs or secure the homefield advantage!!! Green Bay got robbed! With the game on the line, how could you not call the offensive pass interference which was so bluntly obvious, (Tate pushed the defender with two hands on the back!) How could you call the INT a touch down when one of your own referees that was closer to the event call the play a touchback!
Bring back the true NFL RFEREES.
It was also a disgrace to all the fans who put so much money and emotional capital into these games. The NFL is blatantly saying they don’t care about the fans or the players with this charade. I think this entire Referee fiasco is the absolute worst thing I’ve ever seen in professional sports.
That was baaaaaaaddddddd on so many levels last night. Too many bad calls, the wrong team won and throughout the first three weeks there are way too many players getting hurt by cheap shots.
NFL can’t preach about quality product and player safety and then turn around and not do whatever is necessary to get the real refs back where they belong. As Larry the Cable Guy would say “Get er Done”!!!
One nice thing about it though – I hate the Packers and the Seahawks and was rooting for both teams to lose. Thanks to the scabs, both teams did lose.
So much for Goodell preaching ‘protecting the crediblity of the Shield, and defending the game’. Hell, he’s paid by the owners, and as you’ve probably guessed by now, it’s about the money. Yeah, pay scabs $3000.00 +/- per game, and risk losing players to injury because these guys can’t control a game….the replacements are clearly under gunned when it comes to officiating the big boys…
The Packers didn’t help themselves much by playing prevent defense on the last play. Throughout the second half, they dominated Seattle with their base D and it was working for the most part.
Did you push off on that play Golden?
“I don’t know what you’re talking about,”
I wish a reporter would read the NFL’s statement to GT and then ask the same question.
C15
Well, at the very least you can tell that he is a WR.
lol
DS, Coffee – MC would’ve been honest and said “That was some real bull *h*t, I bulldozed that punk defender to the ground.” “How did those mo-fo imposter refs miss that?”
I’m glad you nobody is bellyaching about my attempt at humor yet, I’m just trying to get my mind off the Viking game.
C15
If MC scores a winning TD, he can say anything. Except insult his teammates, and something truly offensive.
But he’d never say that, so anything he says would be cool. I bet Seattle fans are having fun over what he said.
Crab
That’s being very generous to Tate. His response was much more ghetto: don know whatcha talkin’ bout
Nick – I hear ya…Lol, he repeated it with a straight face too.
Jim follows Youngstown State Football? Get a life!
And,who’s Matt and why does Jim address HIM by his name and not Lowell or others? Is he another Palo Alto chum?
Matt Maiocco would be my guess – he’s around them so often it’s almost like he’s employed by the team.
Or Barrows
Both Niners ‘insider’s, unlike Lowell.
commenting on GB/Seattle’s last play…
not taking into consideration of the blatant push off by tate….
simultaneous catch….
see one hand catches often called catches….so i don’t believe having both hands on the ball is an absolute requirement….
the ball was firmly in tate’s hand coming down to the ground ….the defender did not rip the ball away or out of the arms of the rcvr at any point while on the ground and in the end tate was laying on his back holding the ball all alone (albeit 40 seconds after the initial one-handed possession) and the defender gave up possession….
simultaneous possession in my estimation does not require 50-50 possesion…kind of like basketball on jump balls where the person on the ball has an iron grip on the ball while the other player is only required to have contact of the ball with two hands without fouling…
so i pretty much disagree with most everyone and have considered this a TD for seattle…
GB defender who ended up with the jumping height advantage ultimately left it up to the refs to make a call vs flipping the ball out of bounds… all for the sake of an individual stat vs the team advantage….
don’t care if the defender had the ball against his chest or not in the air….tate also had partial possession as the two came back to the ground and rolled around and to me this is simultaneously possession and it becomes the defender’s responsibility to make sure that the rcvr loses control of the ball on the ground as part of the continuation of the catch…he didn’t so it remains a catch in my estimation as well….
Now taking into consideration the blatant push off by G. Tate. offensive pass interference, clock run off and game over G.B. wins
Question: Who is the best commissioner in this pack?
1. Roger Goodell
2. Bud Selig
3. David Stern
4. None of the above.
My vote goes to Coffee. He is doing a tremendous job keeping the Tea Party running smooth ; )
Question: Who is the best commissioner in this pack?
1. Roger Goodell
2. Bud Selig
3. David Stern
4. None of the above.
5. Coffee’s for closers (Alex Smith Tea Party League Commish).
2 votes for Coffee.
Coffee. He doesn’t put up with any cr@p either.
Interesting story on Moss. I wonder. I say activate Jenkins and play him.
http://www.nbcbayarea.com/news/sports/Moss-Second-Half-Disappearance-vs-Vikings-Sparks-Speculation-170990191.html
Hey Grant…
Why hasn’t my recent comment been posted??? Am I blocked for some unknown reason???
Has this blog been loading slower the last 2-3 weeks or is it my computer? Anyone else notice a decrease in speed here? It’s probably my computer.
Crab, it’s the site. They have added more pop up ads and may be tracking useage that has affected performance.
Hofe – Thanks, it’s a little frustrating.