Different schools of thought

As you know, I’ve criticized offensive coordinator Greg Roman for Vernon Davis’ disappearance from the 49ers passing attack three-of-the-last-four games.

Many of you have argued on Roman’s behalf, praising the way he’s used Davis to open up other players on the offense.

I guess I just come from a different school of thought.

In baseball, for example, you can intentionally walk or pitch around a batter, and there is not much the batter can do because there is nothing in the strike zone at which to swing.

However, in football, you can create methods and schemes to get a receiver open. Now, of course, he has to run a good route and the protection has to hold up, etc., but at least you are making a concerted effort to get him involved in the game plan.

Another example – if the 49ers’ opponent played eight or nine defenders in the box whenever possible and played zero coverage (no safety in the post), would the 49ers concede there is no way for Gore to run; therefore, call no runs, or would they adjust their blocking schemes and re-mike the defenses to give their front-five and tight ends a chance to block the most dangerous of the defenders to give Gore a chance to run the ball?

I guess it all boils down to philosophies and game design and creativity.

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85 Responses to Different schools of thought

  1. norm says:

    Vernon Davis and Greg Roman are not the problem. The guy playing quarterback is the problem. Alex Smith is a quarterback who doesn’t see or throw to his wideouts. It doesn’t matter how well the scheme is devised. The quarterback is not a top-flight quarterback. Instead Alex is a very limited quarterback, a back up quarterback.

    • purefxx says:

      I agree here. Grant have you been watching the All 22 or anything like that? Alex has been known to miss a receiver or two looking downfield…

    • Justdareal says:

      Totally agree with you here norm….Grant why don’t you ever acknowledge posts about the sub par play from Alex Smith?

  2. Coffee's for closers says:

    The way I look at it is, there’s more then one way to skin a cat. Some weeks we’ll need to focus VD more and other weeks we wont. If you’re trying to ‘score’ you cant use the same line with different chicks err teams because they don’t all respond to the same thing the same way. If we go out of our way to feature VD teams will find a way to stop him and then you’ll be asking why we don’t use our other receives more.

    I also don’t think Davis is quite as important to get the ball to as you do. Yes he’s very fast and dynamic but he isn’t our best receiver by far. Given the limitations at QB the current corp of receivers are more then good enough to use Davis as a decoy and if it’s working then use him that way for the whole game.

    I still point that the game you most commonly reference in Davis’s so called disappearing act was a win, and I struggle to understand why we would question the strategy when the strategy resulted in a win.

  3. FDM says:

    Do you think Roman is trying to get everyone invloved therefore being too creative and not using his best weopons enough? In both loses, they got away from what they do best. Is that a matter over game planning and not sticking to your bread and butter?

    • Grant Cohn says:

      I think Roman is too intent on establishing Crabtree as No.1 receiver. Davis should be the No.1 receiver. Crabtree should be the No.3 receiver.

      • Coffee's for closers says:

        Who lines up at X, MM?

      • Grant Cohn says:

        Yes, or Davis. I’m saying Davis should lead the team in targets, followed by Manningham.

      • FDM says:

        You realize by saying that AES is gonna have a heart attack right?

      • Coffee's for closers says:

        Maybe an angle to consider is that if you truly aren’t a fan of the team as I’ve read then you are possibly missing an important point of view; we don’t care who catches the ball as long as we win. To me, just hit the open receiver, I dont care what his name is I just want to see the ball in his hands. Last week we won without a pass going to Vernon and I couldn’t have cared less because I was too busy being happy about the win.

        I happen to know for fact that we’ve lost plenty of games where Vernon Davis had plenty of targets and frankly I like how I felt last Thursday night compared to any of VD’s big days that resulted in a loss.

      • Grant Cohn says:

        In other words, you only want to look at your team through a critical lens after losses, or retroactively.

      • MidWestNiner says:

        You took the words right out of my mouth Coffee.

      • Coffee's for closers says:

        First, a question;
        Do you think we lost both of our games because Vernon Davis wasn’t targeted more in the offensive scheme?

        “you only want to look at your team through a critical lens after losses.” I was waiting for this angle. I don’t think my argument suggests that, i think I’m saying don’t try to fix what isn’t broke.

      • Grant Cohn says:

        Roman should maximize the potential of his personnel.

      • MidWestNiner says:

        Stats don’t win a game Grant. They can help, but they guarantee nothing. If one player must be underutilized for a win, then so be it.

      • Coffee's for closers says:

        It seems that you mean to say that Roman should maximize the potential of Vernon Davis. From my perspective Roman is trying to maximize the potential of his entire offense not just ONE player.

      • Grant Cohn says:

        That’s like saying the Thunder are maximizing the potential of their offense by featuring someone other than Kevin Durant.

      • Coffee's for closers says:

        well, not really but Im ok agreeing to disagree.

      • BigP says:

        Grant,
        You said “Roman should maximize the potential of his personnel”, is Smith capable of maximizing the talent that we have? He doesn’t like to throw into tight windows and receivers usually have to be fairly wide open in order for him to throw it. I’m sure Roman calls plays with that in mind. I don’t care about the yards as much as I do about the missed opportunities. Maybe you get what you pay for and they are happy with his production considering his salary.

      • Grant Cohn says:

        Crabtree should not get more targets than VD.

      • Chris says:

        Occasionally KD should have games where he draws a bunch of overzealous double teams though, and uses his abilities as a passer . In this same vein, VD has been very good this year as an in-line blocker. If G-Ro were to only use him for the rest of the season, then I would say he was being misused. But if G-Ro has a couple game plans where he sees a team likely to gang up on VD, so he decides to play into that, and open things up for other players, then great. Lets not force throws into double teams.

    • Nick says:

      If VD is going to get targets, he better be the primary read and open by at least 5 yards. Othrrwise, captain check down will not get him the ball.

      • Nick says:

        Primate welcher,

        Welcome back. Oops I take that back. You never went away in the first place Axel. So how will AS play tonight? How many wide open receivers will he fail to see? How many sacks will he create?

      • Neal says:

        Good one Nick,

        Prime Time, I mean Axel, oh I mean Prime Welcher. Did you get in trouble with your Mommy last night, with all of those profiles? Sounds like you have not been services for a long time, anyway animal control will find you after the game.

      • Nick says:

        Neal
        I heard that Primate was spotted last night at the Giants rally wearing an Alex Smith jersey.

      • rocket says:

        Sure Nick like he was when Smith dropped that beauty right into his hands on the wheel route against Buffalo right? Why do you guys have to exaggerate the guys shortcomings everytime you post? At least play it straight once in awhile.

      • Neal says:

        @Nick,

        I don’t think that was Prime Welcher at the Giants party wearing Precious jersey, he got strict orders, he needed to be home by 8pm, so he and his Mommy can have some alone time.

    • Fansince 77 says:

      I think Grant is right — Roman wants Crabtree to step up. But he hasn’t. Watch Manningham run, he’s a little more electric. Davis is #1, Manningham #2, and I would even put Randy Moss #3. You have to respect his ability to lift the lid on the D. Then Crabs #4.
      If Crabs was on another team, no one would even talk about him. This does not include Crabs’ contribution as a run blocker, and he may be better than Manningham as a blocker…

  4. Justdareal says:

    Grant,

    It seems to me that you (Along with many 49er fans) smell something fishy with our offense and are searching for the source of the smell. In the last week you have questioned Roman’s play calling, VD not being featured in the game plan, and even trading for Dwayne Bowe.

    Now all of this is rightfully so; however, you’ve given no credence any whatsover to the fact that Alex Smith has not really played well this year. I’d only say he’s played well in three games this year (Packers, Lions, and Bills); which is less than the majority as we’ve played seven games now.

    I don’t care if we brought Calvin Johnson here, it wouldn’t change our offense one bit. You can’t truthfully tell yourself otherwise….none of 49er fans can because all know better.

    We have an outstanding wide reciver corps, arguably the best performing O-line right now, and hands down the most athletic pair of TEs in the league.

    So, why aren’t we performing better on offense? It comes down to execution…or lack thereof at the QB position.

    • FDM says:

      Or maybe that we have played some really good teams with some really good defenses as well. Sometimes you have to give credit to the other teams coaches and players. Also, certain teams matchup better against particular teams. I dont think you can make comparisons between how one team faired against another for the simple fact of the game plan, injuries, and location which all add an unknown element to it.

      • Nick says:

        FDM,

        At least against Seattle, VD was open on multiple occasions and AS did not see him. Some of the blame must go to Alex Smith.

      • FDM says:

        Yes Nick its a collective effort on offense when things dont happen effectively.

      • chris archer says:

        Did Minnesota have a good defense? HA! TB blew them out. Josh Freman threw for almost 300 yards. Martin ran for 135 yards. The vikings have lost to the Redskins, the Bucs, and the colts. I wouldn’t call Minnesota’s D good.
        Detroit doesn’t have a good defense. Neither do the NY Jets. The ugly truth here is that Alex Smith has reverted back to the unsure, insecure, undecisive Alex Smith of 2009. He just isn’t good. Unfortunately for SF, the backup isn’t much better.

      • ninermd says:

        FDM for being tired of reading about Alex smith you sure are on almost every post about him. You could always choose to ignore the posts about Smith. But that wouldn’t make you a total Smith fan would it? Tee hee.

      • bayareafanatic says:

        Give it up. The Smithers are going to play devil’s advocate until he’s unseated.
        Claude is the king of them and Hof is the president of the board.
        Even FDM who at one point a year ago was on the fence about Smith and was ready to write him off.
        I’d actually like to see Jacobs play today if he’s available. When he did run in the preseason he was a load. It will give us a different dimension for sure.

      • FDM says:

        Ninermd, did not bring him up once today. In fact the topic was Bowe and you and Bay were the ones to bring it up, not me. Llike I said, Im done arguing on Alex. Its a non issue til the team starts losing. But hey, you seem to love it, so go carzy. I’m not interested any longer talking about something we have talked about for the last 3 years.

        Bay, I will write off Smith when Harbaugh does. Until then, you keep hating, your an expert at it.

      • chris archer says:

        Bay I am only concerned that Jacobs isn’t going to be use to the hits and the attempted strips. I think 10 carries should be his max load. After that number, I expect him to fumble. I’d liek to see SF ease him back into a full time role.

      • claude balls says:

        @ bay:

        Who is playing Devil’s advocate? I am fine with the status quo. If Harbaugh thinks Alex Smith gives the 49ers the best chance of winning, then I’m OK with it. In view of their success in 2011 and thus far this season, both he and Smith have earned that trust. I also am not so full of crap that I think I know more than Harbaugh about QBs and quarterbacking in the NFL.

        On the other hand, haters like you, the welcher, Spitblood, and Nick cannot stop second-guessing Harbaugh and lobbying for a QB change, as if you know better. Despite the team’s success last year (or maybe because of it), you can’t let go of your obsession with Alex Smith. It’s gotten to the point that you guys actively root for Smith to play poorly so that you can claim you were right. It’s more than a little pathetic. And you’ve somehow convinced yourselves that you’re not rooting against the 49ers. Yeah, you’re the REAL fans.

        It’s you guys who turn nearly every article that Grant writes into a debate about Alex Smith. I don’t do that. Hofer doesn’t do that. FDM doesn’t do that.

        So, while you’re busy pointing fingers about responsibility for the endless Alex Smith debate, go ahead and point one at yourself.

        Don’t bother. I’ll give you a finger. In fact, I’m doing it right now.

      • bayareafanatic says:

        If that finger was a thumb, sit on it and spin a couple times Claude.
        And if by the Welcher you mean Prime, yes he is a welcher.

      • claude balls says:

        @ bay:

        And if by the Welcher you mean Prime, yes he is a welcher.

        Ha. No, everyone knows that jordan is the welcher. I can’t imagine anyone else welching big enough to ever change that.

        But, it’s good that you stood up for your bff. I’ll bet he gets real bitcmoody when you don’t.

      • Nick says:

        Claude
        It sounds like you’ve got a thing going for Primate. It’s alright. We don’t mind.

      • claude balls says:

        @ Nick:

        It looks like you only read some of the messages. Or that you don’t understand what you read.

        Neither would surprise me.

    • Neal says:

      + 101 1/2

  5. chris archer says:

    Let me give you some perspective from here in Az. There was a two page article on the game tonight. Az is 1-7 on Monday night. Whisenhunt is 44-43 in his first 70 games as an NFL coach.
    The paper broke down the cardinals and the 49ers. They have AZ advantage on Defense verus SF offense. They say the matchup between Cardinals right end Calais Campbell and SF guard Mike Lupati and tackle Joe Staley should give AZ the edge. Inside linebacker Daryl Washington is expected to blitz up the middle.

    On Cardinal’s offense, they think AZ will have more trouble stopping Ahmad Brooks than D’Anthony Batiste will have blocking Justin Smith. They expect to be able to run the ball with Delays and screen passes. They do give the edge to SF though.

    Special teams, they are getting back Linebacker Reggie Walker and Fillback Anthony Sherman. Also, cornerback Mike Adams is healthy again. They expect Peterson to run 1 kick back for a TD and also expect to cause a turnover on Special teams. Edge Az. -credit Kent Somers

    At the end of the day, the injury report for AZ is almost as long as the article. No one in AZ is worried about A. Smith, Vernon Davis, or any offensive weapon other than Gore. I hope Gore runs heavy today. I don’t like the idea of Jacobs carrying the ball. I think he’ll be a turnover machine. Instead, I’d like to see Hunter and Dixon get extended playing time if Gore doesn’t play.

    Let’s hope our special teams doesn’t kick to Peterson. If we can stop Peterson, I believe our D will shut down AZ. The real question is can SF offense produce points? I predict 17-10 SF win.

    • Nick says:

      Chris,
      Thanks for sharing that info. Kent Somers is a homer, so I won’t put much weight on what he says. This game will be won by the Niners – once again – by playing solid D, special teams, and excellent game planning. If we get C level performance (or above) out of AS, this game will NOT be close.

  6. ninermd says:

    The philosophy I see this year so far. Is spreading the ball around more. They went and got the weapons and I think he is trying to use them as much as possible. One of the good things I see in Alex smith this season is his ability to spread the ball around. He may not see open receivers or get it to them accurately all the time but he is using them. Except Moss :-(. After the Minnesota game GR and AS we’re getting flack for not throwing it against the secondary of Minn when it seamed Minn was giving them that. After that game GR and AS started taking more shots downfield (not tons, so shut it Rocket) but more than usual. And it failed. They continued that until the NY game. Tried again in the first half last Thursday and then decided to go back to the bread and butter. Gore! This is why I think it’s been chaotic the last 3-4 games. It’s obvious (even though rocket can’t see it) that this hasn’t been the same offense as last season. And they had to try a little different of an approach. I see them getting back to last years approach but with spreading the ball around to more than just two players (VD MC ) and besides that isn’t VD having the same slow start he usually has? They must show the nfl that VD isn’t our only threat. And that falls squarely on the shoulders of you know who.

    • rocket says:

      Lol Md, you just have to dig the hole deeper instead of admitting you were wrong. The offense is nearly identical across the board to last year at this time with the exception of the plays Kap has come in. I’ve given you the evidence but I can’t force you to accept it. You believe whatever you want to believe, just don’t try and pass it off as something real because it’s only in your head.

      • claude balls says:

        @ rocket:

        I’ll bet you’re one of them trilateralists, aren’t ya? Happy with the UN “[r]egulating our gun rights, and now our voting?”

      • rocket says:

        Sorry Claude I don’t give out that kind of info without being in the bomb shelter in the back yard. People are listening you know?

      • budasliga says:

        Lol.

      • ninermd says:

        Rocket you could be the type of person that doesn’t listen to someone’s words that come straight out of their own mouth. Copy and paste the last 4 presidents words on that subject Claude. Oh Rhys right that would make you sound stupid. Wanna bet they haven’t pushed for it Claude?????

        Again YPA is up Rocket. That must mean someone is throwing some deeper balls. Continue arguing that fact. You sound so smart. Wheeew!

      • ninermd says:

        Sorry first part was for Claude. We all know he is the copy and paste guy who skips certain parts for his benefit

      • claude balls says:

        @ ninermd:

        And which President said that the “UN is regulating our gun rights and now our voting rights”?

  7. Jack Hammer says:

    Davis has more targets through the first 7 games of 2012 than he did through the first 7 games of 2011.

      • ninermd says:

        Take it easy Prime. He’s just stating facts that have to do with Grants post. Easy big guy. Big game tonight. We should all be stoked to see the 49ers show the football world how its done in “Prime time”

      • Jack Hammer says:

        Nice to have you back Prime. It’s almost as if you never left.

      • rocket says:

        Jack,

        The problem with that is he struggled learning the offense and was underused last year until near the end of the season and the playoffs. Being on a similar pace in attempts as he was last year at this time is not a good thing, and having 4 fewer catches is even worse. This is Smith’s most trusted receiver. He’s the guy he’s most comfortable with and the best big play receiver we have. He should be getting used a lot more than he is.

      • Jack Hammer says:

        Rocket,

        I am sorry, but Davis is not going to get as many targets as the receivers on this team, and the fact that he has more targets so far than last year, despite having 0 last week shows that they are going to him.

        Grant showed last night the big games by Gronkowski and Witten, but Davis is not that type of player, nor does he have that type of QB throwing him the ball. They proved last week that they can beat a very good defense without throwing to him, and it will be interesting to see what happens tonight.

      • ninermd says:

        But Jaaack! Rocket says everything is the exact same as last season. Smiths ypa doesn’t mean anything. And neither does the fact that VD is on the same pace he’s been on almost every year. Rocket knows stats! But doesn’t believe in those stats. Smh!

      • rocket says:

        Jack,

        If you turn out to be right then I’m sorry too, because it’s a mistake. Davis is a matchup nightmare that should be the #1 receiver in the offense. That doesn’t mean I don’t like Crabs or Manningham; I do, but they are not the explosive big play maker that Davis is.

        I’m not sure why you think he couldn’t be like Gronk or Whitten but I disagree and the QB throwing him the ball throws it better to him than anybody else on the team. That’s the point.

      • rocket says:

        MD,

        But Jaaack! Rocket says everything is the exact same as last season. Smiths ypa doesn’t mean anything. And neither does the fact that VD is on the same pace he’s been on almost every year. Rocket knows stats! But doesn’t believe in those stats. Smh!

        Are even reading or putting thought into what you are writing right now MD? In the same paragraph, you chide me for saying the offense is practically the same across the board – which uhh it is – then you point out that Davis is on the same pace as in previous years. What exactly are you saying at this point?

        You don’t seem to be catching on to this whole YPA stat and how it correlates to passes thrown or the distance they travel so I’ll try and simplify it for you.

        Dick throws a ball 5 yards to Spot. Spot catches the ball and runs 10 more yards. Spot is now 15 yards away from Dick.

        Dick has another ball. Dick throws that ball 15 yards to Jane. Jane is 15 yards from Dick.

        Spot and Jane are both 15 yards from Dick but spot caught the ball 5 yards from Dick, while Jane caught the ball 15 yards from Dick. The ball winds up 15 yards away from Dick on both throws.

        So what’s the moral of the story: Dick gets the same YPA on both throws and hopefully gets to bang Jane afterward.

        Now

      • Jack Hammer says:

        Rocket,

        For a guy that always likes to take the big picture/team view when discussing Smith, you sure are dialed in when it comes to this Davis discussion.

        They proved they can win against a very good defense without even targeting him. That is a powerful statement, and bodes well for those times when they are able to get him the ball.

      • ninermd says:

        Funny that you bring up YAC rocket. Because the 49ers are on pace this far into the season to being a couple hundred yards short from last year. They have 534 right now and had close to 1500 last season. And yet Smiths ypa is up. Hmmmm. Look I know you got mad because I pointed out the different look the passing game has had so far. And it hasn’t done well. Because when I put that part in you went bananas and couldn’t handle it. All so you could defend Smith. It’s no coincidence the offense looked different. And now fans want to call out GR. well why would they? Maybe it’s because Smith has been trying to stretch the field a bit more? And they abandoned the running game at times.
        Bottom line is. YPA is up. YAC aren’t and the offense looked different before last weeks second half. Face it dude. You’re arguing the wrong point for Smiths protection. They tried to make him the big weapon and he failed. It is what it is.

        And for the VD factor. That’s for VD. Not the overall passing attack. You were wrong about that also. VD outlook the same. The overall passing game not! VD isn’t the only player besides Alrx on the field Rocket. Dude again. Put the stats away and learn how to see situational things for yourself. That’s what knowledgable fans do. Not look up a bunch of stats and call a Fierro a Ferrari.

      • rocket says:

        Jack,

        I am actually looking at the best interests of the team in my view on this. Not getting the ball into VD’s hands at least 5 times a game makes no sense to me, and this isn’t anything new; I was making the same kind of statements last year.

        So we can win when he’s not a factor. Great, I’m glad they can, but a lot of their wins are very tight and hard fought, moreso when they can’t get a passing game going. The best receiving threat we have is Vernon Davis. If we disagree on that then there is the basis of our differences on this subject, but if you agree with that, then how can you not throw the ball to your best receiving threat even one time in a game? I know you are blaming that more on Smith than Roman, and there may be some truth to that, but Davis has always been Smiths most trusted receiving option and the longest tenured guy he’s played with next to Gore; so are you going to tell me Smith has just decided all of a sudden to not look Davis’ way? I don’t buy it. Davis wasn’t a big part of the offense last year until the end of the season and it’s been the same so far this year and I don’t understand it. It’s got to be schematic imo. There’s no other explanation for it.

      • ninermd says:

        Rocket yes VD is the best threat so far that we know about. But MC led the team in catches last season. The NYG took VD away after his second big catch. The 49ers must spread the ball around and have been doing it pretty well. That makes the passing attack multi dimensional. That’s what they need. He showed you that VD is on the same pace. But I remember some on here whining about not having receivers last season. Well we got them now. Get the ball spread around an hit VD when the time is right and when he isn’t double covered. The passing game hasn’t been struggling because of anyone but Alex smith. It’s his job to get the receivers and TE’s the ball. Not the OC. Smith will rebound and will continue to spread the ball around. That’s the recipe for a dangerous passing attack. Smith rebounds from the bad games… And we win and win big.

      • claude balls says:

        @ ninermd:

        I think the only thing driving rocket “bananas” is that you are in so far above your head that your comments frequently are unreadable nonsense. Your train of thought refuses to stay on track; you seem not to understand simple, straightforward ideas; you argue out of both sides of your mouth – sometimes in the same paragraph; and when someone asks you a question you cannot answer, your response is to turn the question around and ask it back at the questioner, even if doing so makes zero sense.

        Your argument that a .5 yard/attempt increase in Smith’s YPA = evidence that the 49ers tried to make Smith a big weapon, but he failed, is a perfect example. Your theory makes no sense logically, has no support factually and completely ignores how opposing defenses have played the 49ers this year and how the 49ers have responded to those defenses.

      • ninermd says:

        Right Claude…. Because we all know you answer questions straight and forward. If the ypa wasn’t a difference then why bring up YAC?
        Oh and I was depending on you the copy and paste master to bring out those presidents comments on wanting a NWO. I thought for sure you would have my back on that. The hysteria is running wild. And there are some who wouldn’t believe the presidents would come out on TV and push for such a thing. Help a brotha out Claude. Some might think I’m making this stuff up.

      • rocket says:

        MD,

        Seriously after all this you still aren’t getting it? Did you read anything I wrote toward you at all over the past few days? You know the part where his completion percentage has improved across the board…you know how more completions leads to more yards…which leads to a higher YPA…please tell me you understand because I don’t know how else to get this through to you.

        Smith has attempted 15 passes of 20 yards or more and completed 6. Both the attempts and completions are behind the average he had at this time last year. Now how in that head of yours does that equate to more deep passing and a change in philosophy?

        The numbers across the board with the exception of total passing yards are nearly identical to last season. They aren’t throwing more, they aren’t throwing deep more, in fact they aren’t even on the pace they were last year. The only difference in this offense compared to last year is Completion percentage and the Kap plays. That’s it MD. I can’t put it any simpler for you.

      • ninermd says:

        Again rocket… You pulled out the YAC, they aren’t on pace like last season. His YPA is up. You’re the stat guy. And those numbers don’t match your arguement. Something changed with this offense, but I’ll let you believe everything was exactly the same. This is the problem with stat whores. The ones I trust are the camera shots and X’s and O’s guys. And from what I see with my own eyes. And I saw Smith trying to stretch the field a little more often than last season. I’m done with this arguement. Because you can’t argue the YPA up and the YAC not on pace. Argue with yourself about it or maybe invite Claude in to help you out. You’re both stat guys. Have at it!

    • bayareafanatic says:

      Jack,
      prime’s two weeks never expired but that doesn’t matter because he Axel Foley’d his way onto the blog until his time was up. That is until someone game him the bannana in the tail pipe…. : )

  8. Razoreater says:

    Manningham might be a difference maker in this offense this evening.

  9. old coach says:

    its really really really simple the 49ers will win if they run the ball often and well. it does’nt matter wether the passing game is effective or not as long as smith does’nt throw ints and we run the ball we will win. its been a year and a half with the 9ers and 5 at stanford i just wish the discussions about whats wrong with the 9ers passing attack would stop. whats wrong is harbaugh cares about the run game first, second and third his concern over his passing attack comes somewhere after his concern about the quality of the hotdogs at the stick. as long as we keep winning i do’nt care how we do it. i still remember the ericson/nolan/singletary years.

    • rocket says:

      Old Coach,

      Couldn’t agree more, but the anti Smith contingent doesn’t want to hear it. It’s much more interesting to believe Harbaugh has changed his entire philosophy to protect a QB he doesn’t believe in, rather than accepting this is the exact same offense Harbaugh ran at Stanford. I’ve tried repeatedly to make that point but they would rather remain in a state of perpetual ignorance. It’s about the Drama man, the drama!

  10. Razoreater says:

    24 – 6 49ers

  11. MidWestNiner says:

    My predictions for tonight’s game:

    Smith will throw for 220 yards snd a touchdown.
    Gore and Hunter will run for 200 yards together.
    Vernon Davis will catch s touchdown.
    Crabtree will catch six passes for 67 yards.
    Staley will give up two sacks.
    The D will have two interceptions and three sacks.
    Fitzgerald will struggle tonight.
    The D will give up less than 60 yards on the ground.
    The finsl score will be Niners 21 Cardinals 13.

  12. nancydrew says:

    Big game. I don’t want to say anything that will jinx tonite. Cuz….

    • nancydrew says:

      F..it. We are crushing the cards and the world will see the future SB champs with their franchise QB alex smith show why we are the best

      • ninermd says:

        I smeeeeelllllll….. A onelame…… How many names is this now onelame? Now c’mon back with a new one to bluster the nancy name and pay yourself on the back. Obtw….. Banned again. Ha ha ha haaaa. Hurry back. Your sideshow circus clown bs misses you and feels a one man circus won’t cut it for much longer. Buhahahahaaaaa LOSER!!!

  13. Dennis says:

    All I know and maybe someone already pointed this out, but Romo hit his Tight End 18 times for 183 yards. But he also had 4 INT’s and they lost. Hitting your tight end, no matter how good, is not all that it is cracked up to be. Winning is the ultimate statistic.