SANTA CLARA — Here’s how Jim Harbaugh explained the four sacks allowed by the 49ers offense against the Cardinals last night, courtesy of the 49ers.
Four sacks seemed to be the only question mark. Overlooking it together, do you see a trend, it looks like a couple times Alex pulled it down something wasn’t there right away and he had no other choices. What accounts for the four sacks, was there an overall theme that linked them together?
“One for sure was we didn’t give him a very good play call. Another we got covered and glad he didn’t throw the ball to where he was supposed to throw it. And then another one, he looked to the wrong side of the field. The read should have taken him to the right instead of the left and I can’t remember the fourth.”
Right guard Alex Boone was quickly beaten to his left on the fourth sack.
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All those jive turkeys sacked Alex gasp how could they smh lol
Grant
Yes
A sack won’t lose a game in virtually every instance. A TO on the other hand can.
Since JH came, AS has been told repeatedly to protect the ball. Taking sacks is a much safer alternative to trying to throw it to a covered guy or risking a fumble as you get into your windup.
Grant
Alex needs one more pass attemt to get to 20 for the game. Why was his first attempt of the game to Manningham taken away with a pass interference call when no extra yardage was gained?
Aren’t you happy the regular officials are back?
that tripped me out! Why not just accept the play? it was spot of the foul, completed pass, already a first down… I was wondering that too and just concluded that they wanted to make Alex’s stats as bad as possible… :)
Apparently Matt M is reporting that it was an incomplete pass… so that would explain it
can’t that be overturned?
I don’t think so. Not after the next play has been snapped. Which of course it has been.
You can challenge the NFL refs about it being a completion for the future. But the NFL won’t go back and change the stats even if replay shows the original call being wrong. If they were to ever do that, they’d have done it with the Seattle/GB game. They didn’t. Once the game is over, nothing like that can be changed.
Now if it was a lateral or forward pass or toss, that can be changed. But I don’t think a completion can be.
The league office may overturn it according to MSando on his blog.
when it is 6&7 against 5 there is the possibilty of getting sacked..the birds are more interested in sacking the QB than stoping the run or covering the recievers…we WIN.
Alex obviously needs to get rid of the ball instead of holding it until its open season on his body. Throw it away bro.
Yeah, the all the sacks made me shake my head every time. Its just like, dude, stop taking all those hits!
If he does, we’ll hear fans and WR’s grumble he doesn’t give them a chance to get open by throwing it away.
Also keep in mind the hits that immediately follow a pass leave your ribs/body exposed without protection one can do if you protect your body with your arms and body position (take the sack in order to do so).
The most brutal hit I’ve ever seen was Jim Burt on JM. Which happened just after JM threw the ball. SY had chronic injuries to his ribs year after year. That happens not due to sacks, but the hits following a sack are the really injury risking hits rather than sacks.
It’s not so easy as that razor.
My 60 year old mother was asking why is he holding on to the ball and taking those hits!
Speaking of sacks, I just got My #99 red aldon smith jersey today!!
I am so jealous of you right now!!!
It’s pretty sweet and not too many of them around. As a bonus, it’s also my jersey number.
Not a big fan of these new Nike Jerseys. I still wear it, but it looks cheap and not put together as well as the reebok ones.
Got mine in April.
Love it!
Sorry if this is old news, read the NFL power rankings, we are # 4, with the Giants, Houston and Atlanta ahead of us. I know we can kick Atlanta ass.
http://aol.sportingnews.com/nfl/story/2012-10-29/nfl-power-rankings-2012-week-9-falcons-texans-giants-49ers/#
nfl.com has the niners at 5. they put chicago ahead of them too.
Will change Chicago rating soon.
Neal
If we get C-level or higher performance out of AS and the passing game, I think the Niners will be nearly unbeatable – maybe #1 or 2.
Good one Nick,
The problem with AS is that he can play a A game and then the next week it is a F, so you are right that is close to a C-.
Nice not hearing bay and 23wahwah complain about A Smith this week eat that jive turkey sandwich fellas
HA!
You should remember what happened the last 3 times the Smithers got excited:
Alex went out the following week and dropped a Skelton-esque stinkbomb.
I was even excited after the first two games this season, I jumped on the band wagon and said AS was elite QB and I was wrong after he played like crap against the Viking. He is very inconsistent, nothing will surprise me, one week great , the other week all his flaws show.
try keeping your emotions in check and not overreacting every week.
The Smithers should be excited about Mr. Inconsistency. He’s always done things like this. The Dmithers get to wet their pants for a couple of weeks. They know their hero is on a high right now. Me Checkdown did a good job last night. Arizona was garbage. Crabs dogged Peterson. The RAC was the difference last night.
Remember, consistency is everything. Alex feeds his fan base some turkey this week. 2 weeks from now, he’ll be back to chicken! Lol.
Got an issue? Grab a Tissue!
So I guess Peter King is a ‘smither’
The more you watch Alex Smith, the more likeable he gets. The only incompletion he threw Monday night was an easily catchable ball that Delanie Walker dropped on a second-quarter crossing route. A shame. A perfect passing line would have been a great thing for Smith to have, seeing that half the free world still thinks he can’t play.
Well, he can, and his 18-of-19, 232-yard, three-touchdown, no-pick night in the 24-3 win over Arizona just proves one thing: Even if you gameplan to shut down the running game, Smith can beat a good defense. Take away one 17-yard gain by Frank Gore, and the Niners struggled running it all night (3.4 yard per rush excepting the 17-yarder). But Smith hung in against good Arizona pressure and put the ball where he wanted all night. What was so impressive, I thought, was what Smith’s become adept at doing — putting the ball on a spot where his receivers can make plays after the catch. Entering their bye, the Niners got a huge boost from Smith.
Read more: http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/2012/writers/peter_king/10/30/mmqb-mail/index.html#ixzz2Asarsmso
“Take away one 17-yard gain by Frank Gore, and the Niners struggled running it all night (3.4 yard per rush excepting the 17-yarder)”
Alex is on FIIIRREE!!!!
The running game was shut down because the Cardinals were going 8 men in the box, single coverage on the WR’s and a single safety up top. I was astounded that an NFL team would play with that many players up tight with so little help over the top. The WR’s did a great job of getting YAC but they were helped by atrocious tackling in the Cards secondary. I think Smith threw one pass in the game that actually travelled over 10 yards in the air. Smith played well but against a defensive alignment like that I’d like to see him go over the top a little more. When the 9ers were up 17-3 and the Cards could do nothing on offense I wanted them to hit a deep pass or 2 to make future opponents feel like they couldn’t stack the box. In order to achieve the highest level of success, the 49ers offense MUST find a way to loosen up defenses. This can be a dynamic offense if they can get defenses out of such tight alignments.
HOU, rewatched the game last night, there were a couple throws over 1o yards, specifically, 1st half when the Niners faced a 2 and 15 and Smith hit Delanie Walker for 18, no YAC.
“But Smith hung in against good Arizona pressure and put the ball where he wanted all night. What was so impressive, I thought, was what Smith’s become adept at doing — putting the ball on a spot where his receivers can make plays after the catch. ”
Alex could do that because the OL gave him lots of time. AS’s feet I don’t ever had to be reset. He had a good passing lane all night. Things that are getting ignored here because of the 4 sacks. That is why I disagreed with Grants grade of a C for the OL. Forget the sacks. Our QB was given the time to be laser pinpoint accurate and go thru all his reads because of the OL.
If the OL can repeat that performance, you’ll see a lot more passes like the ones we saw Monday night.
Anybody notice a post by a “MichaelHuff” on that link? He’s a Niners fan and he complains that there is too much hating on AS. Then a Seattle fan “9jaimeolander” comes along and guess what? Sounds a lot more understanding and kinder to AS than a lot here are. He also didn’t mention how horrible AS was against his team when he beat them 2 games back.
That is just sad. How another teams fan can have less hate/more understanding of a Niner player than “fans” here can. Just pathetic.
What a surprise, 23welcher was wrong again about Alex Smith. What does that make you jordy, 0-1000? That’s quite a record you have compiled there.
I’ll give you credit. I don’t think I have ever seen anyone be so consistently wrong about a subject as you are about football and quarterbacking, so at least you are the best at something. You are the King of Football Ignorance. Congratulations.
19-5.
He is the President of the 5 Jive Turkey Gobble Gobble Club. Bay is the CFO.
Claude,
The only thing you ever do is come on here and ridicule people you think are wrong. You never actually post an opinion of your own. I’m sure you don’t state your opinions because you don’t want to open yourself up to criticism. That’s pretty cowardly in my book.
HOU when trolls like 23welcher come on here and spew nothing but garbage, whats wrong with calling those people out?
He has made so many predictions and analogies regarding Smith that after each game, he is completely wrong.
Fans support their team and when other fans try and throw water on it, whats wrong with saying they were wrong?
@ Houston:
I don’t think that’s accurate. I have given my opinions on Smith, Harbaugh, Roman, Harbaugh’s interactions with the media, the use of Vernon Davis, the secondary, the offensive line, the team’s gameplans, the team’s play in various games, draft strategy, free agency moves and non-moves, etc.
In addition, when I disagree with the opinion expressed by another, it necessarily means that I don’t share his/her opinion and am expressing a different opinion, one which hopefully I support with relevant data, examples and other factual support.
I also am not afraid of being wrong and admitting it, as I recently had to do with regard to Anthony Davis and the Davis/Boone pairing on the right side of the line. I also don’t remember shying away from your question as to my opinion on the best QBs in the NFL.
What I won’t do, however, is make stuff up and throw out an uninformed and/or baseless opinion just to pontificate on an issue. I also object to others doing so, especially when they do it in an over-the-top, I-know-better-than-you, and/or smug manner. That’s usually what prompts the ridicule to which you refer. Well, that and people who refuse to admit when they are wrong.*
By the way, that “ridicule” opens me up to plenty of criticism. People do not like being called on their b/s. If I were the coward you say I am, why would I write those opinions?
So once again, while you are entitled to your own opinion, you are not entitled to your own facts, and the facts as they are do not support your opinion/accusation.
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* Btw, I find it amusing that you are less troubled by 23jordan’s tiresome and baseless harangues (and his welching) than you are by my responses to them.
Anyone here still listens to Jordo’s jive turkey gobble gobble ?
No.
3 of those sacks shouldn’t have happened. Qb’s are going to take sacks. But smith is taking some that he shouldn’t. This talk about taking a sack is better than a TO. Is true, but there are two things better than taking a sack.
1 throw the damn ball away
2 throwing the ball away and stating healthy. One sack could end up hurting this team if Smith gets hurt. Remember the shoulder injury folks. Didnt look that bad at the time. But weird injuries happen. I don’t think it’s wise to be applauding sacks taken for no TO’s. he has to throw the ball away when he can.
@DS you wrote that taking a sack is a much safer alternative to attempting to throw the ball away. Safe for who, not Alex Smith. If Smith continues to take the horrible pounding that he did monday night i can almost guarantee he wo’nt finish the season. Unless you truely believe that CK is ready to step in Smith needs to get rid of the ball more and not take so many sacks. An int in the 2nd quarter in the opponents end of the field is surely not as bad as our 2nd string QB starting in the playoffs.
Well said. Bs goes by what it hears from the coach. But doesn’t read into it at all. I like Harbaugh but he loves blowing smoke up the players a$$es sometimes. I think Harbaugh meant taking a sack if he had no choice. But Smith has had chances to throw it away on some of those sacks.
Do you know for sure that he blows smoke up the players back-sides, or do you surmise that by the way he handles the media during pressers?
@ 55niner:
Good question, but don’t forget that some commenters have the ability to read minds.
I doubt Harbaugh would have the credibility he apparently has in the locker room if the players thought he was a smoke blower.
Every big FA we had last year signed back here. If they thought the HC was blowing smoke or whatever, they wouldn’t have signed to stay here. And in some cases for less money than they could have gotten elsewhere.
What a pathetic thought that was md. Keep it up.
old coach
What I’m saying is the best QB in NFL history and a 1st Ballot HOF QB both suffered injuries that effected their play dramatically from hits that followed passes. Not sacks. That means something.
“If Smith continues to take the horrible pounding that he did monday night i can almost guarantee he wo’nt finish the season.”
He took a much worse beating all last year, and he remained the starter. He’s taken a worse beating his whole career in fact.
“An int in the 2nd quarter in the opponents end of the field is surely not as bad as our 2nd string QB starting in the playoffs.”
What makes you think that AS won’t get smashed into who knows what following an Int? That is when the QB is just another player on the field. And all the QB protection rules don’t apply then. By throwing an Int, you significantly raise the risk of serious injury to the QB, not lower it compared to taking a sack.
md
Nobody, including myself, cares to listen to the ramblings of a racist wuss boy. Please find some other place to release your hate.
No just not you cowards not willing to answer a simple question. You feel big because you have 4 Smithers backing you. Fact is you’re all cowards that can’t answer the truth. What are you going to do now bs. Talk about my mom over a computer? I’d bet you wouldn’t have the guts to say it to anyone’s face. Just like you can’t answer a simple question that would make your takes sound foolish. I’ll give you this though bs. You’re an honest moron. A little dignity in that fat body of yours.
Still waiting Smithers. Answer the question You gonna let one guy punk you all? Ha ha haaaa.
There is only one truth in all this Ninermd. 19 wins out of 25 starts means everyone is doing a good job.
FDM yes they are. BUT some do a better one than others. That’s football and that’s the way football teams are made except a few. Smith is doing a fine job. But those wins aren’t HIS! That’s all I’m saying.
@ ninermd:
But those wins aren’t HIS! That’s all I’m saying.
Not that I want to get dragged into yet another pointless Alex Smith debate, but who is saying that they are his alone?
Sorry MD, they are his wins cause that’s how QB’s get evaluated and how they keep their starting positions. Wins dude, that’s all that counts for the longevity of a NFL QB. Whether he help or not, they go in the record books as him winning those games.
Prime… I can’t buy that bro. If that was the case Tim Tebow an players like Trent Dilffer would be legends and HOF’s….. Does he share these wins? Of course. I remember and it still go’s on today that when they lost and lose now. It wasn’t Alex smiths loss. It was the teams. What they really look at is stats. And situational stats ect….. Wins play a part in it. But it’s not a pitcher for the major leagues. C’mon. Look at the posts when they lose. Smith fans always say. Don’t put it all on Alex. Which fans shouldn’t just as they shouldn’t give him the wins and loss record like so many are doing these days. It must be the cool the to do. Lol
Claude…. Get real dude. You only read my comments or something? I’m flattered. You know keeps posting these comments.
MD maybe it’s not right but that really is the only true measure in which to evaluate a QB. Now I’m not saying he should get all the credit or all the blame on wins and loses. I’m saying that a winnig QB that has won 19 games out of 25 starts says a lot about that player.
@ ninermd:
Sorry, but Prime didn’t post his comment until after I wrote mine.
By the way, you also wrote “[Smith's] got to improve on last year.” You do realize, don’t you, that with the exception of the interceptions, Smith has improved on last year? TDs, yards/attempt, completion percentage, passer rating, QBR are all improved from 2011. Also, I don’t believe that you can name 4 performances in 2011 that compare to his performances vs the Cardinals, Bills, Packers, and Lions this year.
@ ninermd:
I would also add that Smith didn’t win any Player of the Week awards in 2011.
Why do you think he hasn’t improved from 2011?
DS94everXev says:
October 30, 2012 at 4:25 pm
I bet the best WR playing today (LF) would love to get a chance to play with AS after the past 3 years.
Maybe. But I’d bet he would rather play with PM, EM, DB,AR, MR, MS, JF, BR, CN, and RGlll
So what’s your point? That Smith is better than 12 qb’s in the league. Whoooopy! Not everybody settles for average BS. Remember that dummy!
>>Not everybody settles for average BS. Remember that dummy!
Yeah, too bad our friend bay is gone after Mr. Average returns. So you aren’t “settling” either, md? Will you be following bay out the door as well?
“Not everybody settles for average BS.”
No we don’t. We have you around md. And your buddies who talk tough, then wuss out. You know, your friends.
Average? On this blog, people refuse to settle for above-average, or even good.
And winnning games is not something they are too fond of either unless its a 300+ passing performance.
Wheeeew! The Smithers are out in full force. You should be happy bs that your one clown circus has some mental midgets in it now.
First Rib….I am not a player. LF is. So if you were a player would you pick those qb’s over Smith? I’m backing Smith. But is also like to see some improvement. Smith isn’t the complete qb yet.
Claude… There is some truth to your comment. To bad it’s aimed the wrong way.
Fdm…. The 49ers win games. Not 1 player. Now IMO bad play can help lose a game, and great play can help win a game. It’s funny how all the Smith fans wanted everything in the world for Smith… Great coach, great OC, great O-line, great defense, great receivers, great running game, continuity, and all the stars aligned for him perfectly. Well he’s got that now. And excuses are still flying when he has a bad game, and its NEVER all his fault when he plays bad. BUT he gets credit for all of these wins. Hmmmmm. have an agenda Smithers?
When are ANY of you going to call it straight? Does this team win games without the running game it has and defense? Go on answer that question. #1 running game and #1 defense. Tic toc
And bs…. You talk about a wuss! You’re the wimp who likes to talk about people’s mothers. Knowing that you wouldn’t dare say it in person. How’s that sound bs?
And when the 49ers lose, how come you cannot seems to acknowledge it was not just on AS?
There have been several on here that stated AS played badly in the 2 losses, several on here want to put the losses only on AS, even though the entire team played badly.
This blog really does need to be rename from inside the 49ers to all alex smith forget the rest of the team….
Ninermd, what team wins games without a defense and a running game?
No matter how well Smith plays or how many games he wins, you will always be looking towards the next game to see if he can convince you. Its the neverending story for you cause you will never be content. Superbowl or bust right?
Well then why engage in any of it til that time? You have him under a microscope every game and he +defense+running game keeps winning, what else does he have to do?
A very accurate comment by Ray Ratto on with TTolbert yesterday pretty well sums it up. Para-phrasing :The people that continue to focus on negative things in Alex’s performance like the sacks Monday night are “the people who are invested in Smith’s failure”. Pretty well sums up this blog. Some people just can’t handle any success he has. LOL and it’s starting to become more frequent which scares the he(( out of the haters. Too bad this org. didn’t get Alex the competent coaching from the get go.
txtree
I’ve mad the same recommendation of a name change for the blog.
md
Reading problems mister? Get lost.
Tree…. I’m sorry was that me that called out the pass rush, play calling and ST??? Yep you know why you didn’t see it? It’s because Smith fans won’t say a thing if you’re pointing out flaws in the other parts of the team. ONLY Alex smith.
The difference is Smithers and “haters” are I’ve seen the supposed “haters” call out bad play from different players. I have yet to see the Smithers fault Alex smith for anything. Smithers are homers for Alex Smith. Rose colored glasses worn daily. Realist fans know and call out the weak parts on the team and want better. IMO Smith is just fine. I would like to see him improve on some things, but saying HE wins the games is ridiculous. Especially when his part is ranked 28th in the league.
Fdm…. Green Bay, NE, NO last season), Atl last season, Det, chi can’t stop the pass and can’t run, Den,
To name a few. Now I knew you would bring up other teams. Because that’s what question dodgers do. So would this 49er team win without GREAT defense and running game?????
FDM
md and the others want the Niners to be a crappy team. Bad defense and run game and all the rest. Then have AS win games.
Since that never happened, and the whole team got better at once, they are upset because AS is now on a good team.
If anyone watched the game and heard Jon Gruden speak to the Alex situation, he pretty much summed it up. If you cannot accept the fact he has won 19 out of his last 25 starts, you just dont get it.
Niner61…. Ray ratto also called Alex smith a bust a couple
Of years ago and got hammered by the Smithers for it. He was called every fat mans name in the book.
Yes there are some out there that hate Alex smith as the qb for this team. But there is a difference in the fans that think he’s alright and won’t call him elite or give him wins that are carried heavily by the defense and running game. Get it now?
Fdm… HE Didnt win the games. The team did. So answer the question FDM. Are the 49ers 6-2 or 13-3 last season if their defense and running game wasn’t elite. Simple question dude
Sorry bs, but you don’t speak for me. Thank God! Sorry out defense has been pretty good for awhile. Don’t you remember? They and the running game was the only reason those teams weren’t 2-14. Answer the question Bs. Would they be this successful without the elite D and running game? C’mon just answer the question.
I posted about that as well FDM.
And you’re right. They don’t get it. Look at the replies from md on this thread.
Ninermd, you want to put it all on one position as to whether this team would win or lose without a defense and running game?
That just shows your incompetence because you do not understand how the 49ers drafted and built this team to win.
Its not a matter at looking at other teams and what they have personnel wise or how they win games.
The 49ers have drafted and built this team to win on the laurels of their defense, special teams, and an offense that can grind it out and be balanced both running and passing.
You want to say that those 19 out of 25 wins were “carried heavily by the defense and running game”. Thats ignorant because you are now saying players like Crabtree, Alex, Vernon, Delanie, Morgan, Ginn, Moss and Manningham contributed marginally? Come on man.
Noooo FDM I DON’T want to put it on one part of the team. You do! I’m not saying Smith win those games. I’m saying the team did. That’s my point! I can’t give credit to one player for wins. Like Smithers like to do. It’s his record! And that record doesn’t mean HE won the games. Because last time I checked the 49ers were 6-2. I’m sorry you can’t get the fact that I think Smith helps this team win. Marginally but he helps. He doesn’t throw drive killing td’s anymore. But you’re crazy if you don’t think the defense and running game carry the bulk of success on this team. You bring up wr’s and TE’s. well who do you think gets them the ball? Their success depends on Smith. And we have 1 pro bowler in VD.
So lets keep it real. Smith is an average qb that doesn’t turn the ball over. And this defense and running game are ranked #1 the passing game isn’t. So it’s a fact that these two parts of the team carry the bulk of success. Answer this them since you don’t have the balls to answer the other question. How did Smith do “since he wins games” when the defense and running game wasn’t clicking? We lost those games dude. When has he ever carried this team when those two are struggling? Can you answer that?
Last time MD, and pay attention now. The 49ers have drated and built and coached this team to win on the laurels of their defense, special teams and offense that can be balanced in both the run and the pass and grind out wins being physical and competitve.
Smith does not need to win games on his own, that not how they are built. They are built to win by a concentrated effort on defense, special teams ,and offense. Dont believe me, look at the last 4 drafts, the playcalling, and the games won by a certain formula.
Every team struggles when any component does not click. You want a QB to carry this team when other things are not clicking. Im saying that’s not how we are built.
FDM thanks for making my point. Now everything you said is what I’ve been saying. So how is it you give credit to Alex Smith for wins? And the question still stands. It’s a simple hypothetical question dude. What’s the matter?
You keep putting these words on my mouth. Who said I want a qb to do all the work? I like the team we have. No they aren’t built like the pats, or Packers. Those teams aren’t as strong with their D or running game. Just like we aren’t with the qb position. Stop them and we win. Torch our defense and they win.
Dude try looking outside the box for once. Qb is not our strength therefore Smith didn’t win those games. The team did! And for the record Smith doesn’t lose games either. Be honest. This team can win some games strictly on the defense and running game. If those two aren’t playing elite type of football can we win with smiths arm? Have we? Not with the same record you’re giving all the credit to smith for.
You got me wrong dude. You just don’t like the fact that the strengths of this team doesn’t include smith and the passing game. I can accept that this year if they win it all that way. If not I want a better passing attack that can help more. Sorry you can’t accept that.
MD
Did I say it was you? All I stated is that some on this blog seem to think all of the losses are on AS…
However, you have stated that AS has need to improve or else….or else what? Do you turn into a pumpkin? are you going to stop being a 49er fan? What is the consequence if AS does not meet your expectations?
Lol tree. A pumpkin. No or else he is gone. I’m not getting back into that convo. Contract, ck waiting, Peyton Manning debacle, they gave him all the weapons he could want. Those are the reasons he has to improve this season.
txtree49er says:
October 31, 2012 at 9:44 am
And when the 49ers lose, how come you cannot seems to acknowledge it was not just on AS?
And a actually you did say that I think that.
Now show me where I said we lost because of only Alex Smith.
Logic fail in one posting.
>>So if you were a player would you pick those qb’s over Smith?
>>The 49ers win games. Not 1 player.
If I were a player I’d pick the *team* with the most potential to win games, not the *QB* likely to put up most yards in a losing effort. And if I were a talented player, I’m positive it was my talent that got them over the hump to win the SB.
>>md and the others want the Niners to be a crappy team. Bad defense and run game and all the rest. Then have AS win games.
nah, haters would want the $90 million QB, even if it devastated the rest of the team’s payroll – defense, ST and running game combined.
Why else would Randy Moss or Mario Manningham chosen the 49ers?
ribico says:
October 31, 2012 at 1:40 pm
Logic fail in one posting.
>>So if you were a player would you pick those qb’s over Smith?
>>The 49ers win games. Not 1 player.
If I were a player I’d pick the *team* with the most potential to win games, not the *QB* likely to put up most yards in a losing effort. And if I were a talented player, I’m positive it was my talent that got them over the hump to win the SB.
Really? What’s that got to do with Smith being the so called winner of 19 games? Different subject homie.
And yeah ask Peyton manning about picking the better “team”. I’ll take my answer as a NO that this team wouldn’t be 19-5 without the running game and defense. Since you pansies can’t scrape up enough balls to answer it. Side stepping only shows you’re all weak.
Yeah I’m sure LF would hate playing for GB or NO right now. Maaaaybe he would help them win a Super Bowl. Here he would be another receiver getting overlooked and catching 6 yard passes. He wouldn’t pick this offense over theirs in a million years
It isn’t any team. It is JH’s team. So I’m picking the QB who can run JH’s offense the best. I don’t care if AS can’t run the NO or GB or NE offense as well as those QB’s can. That doesn’t mean a thing to me.
I want the QB who runs this offense (the Niners offense) well. 19-5 and a bunch of stuff proves AS can.
>>Really? What’s that got to do with Smith being the so called winner of 19 games?
Yes, it’s a “team win” in victories. But “QB inconsistency” in loses. Make up your mind md, you are starting to sound like a certain republican presidental candidate. Too bad I can’t see your head spinning wildly in person.
>>And yeah ask Peyton manning about picking the better “team”.
We don’t have to. The decision wasn’t his.
ribico
How are things going for you after the Hurricane?
Thanks, DS. Still without power, probably another 4-5 days until con-ed restores it. With these 100 year storms coming yearly due to global climate change, I ordered this http://suntactics.com/ At least I won’t have to scrounge around for a smartphone charge :)
I was lucky, so many others suffered much much worse. My department managing director lost his house on the Jersey Shore.
@ ribico:
Glad to hear that you are OK.
Be well rib!
+1 Ribico, stay safe.
Glad to hear you’re safe. I’m thinking about you.
Cool to hear nothing of any significance was lost to you rib.
Funny how there was a hurricane during the Republican National Convention, and now just before election day, and the topic of global warming has been absent from the discussion. FRONTLINE had an episode about that.
Thanks guys. I’m glad this is the bye week, plenty of time to get my power back up before the next niner game. See, I have my priorities straight!
@DS the less hits a QB takes the less chance he has of getting hurt its purely numbers. All i have read and watched tell me that most serious QB injuries happen in the pocket. Injuries come two ways on a single play and the accumulation of hits. you’re very right to say smith took a worse beating last year and years earlier so that along with the accumulated punishment he is taking this year make it very likely that he will miss games this year. This is not a criticism of smiths decision making and how it effects the outcome of individual games but his decision making and how it effects his ability to play. IMHO CK is not any where ready to take over this year. Smiths long term health i feel will be less impactful on the teams success but for now he needs to do anything he can to finish this year and the playoffs healthy.
OC
True. But the severity of hits I think is more important than pure numbers. While AS has taken a lot of hits during his sacks, he usually knows how to soften the blow, or take a hit, or whatever you want to call it. If you see a sack, you can get into a shell, ducking, not exposing any of the softer parts of your body leaving only the harder outside parts of your body for the defender to hit. That right there decreases the odds of injury.
But the moment following a pass (say to avoid a sack) you can’t do anything to protect yourself. You’re standing up so any hard hit will just due to physics and gravity hurt you more than if you are lower to the ground since your body isn’t falling as long/far. Also if you duck, the defender usually can’t get his whole weight/body on you as he takes you down to the ground, as opposed to if you are standing, then the defender can also come in standing to take you down. If you duck, the defender loses a lot of power when he ducks down to sack you as a result of you ducking.
I agree with you about the team if he gets hurt. That is why I was on here in a pre-season game making a fuss about him taking hits that weren’t necessary when he was struggling to gain more yards after a run that didn’t have any impact on the next play.
Now, maybe there were times when AS could have lessened the severity of hits during his sacks, I don’t know. And if there were, he needs to find ways to lessen the damage he receives. That certainly falls on him.
Did you see ARodgers numbers against Jacksonville:
22/35 186 and 2 TDs
Jordo needs to go over to the GB blog and let them know their SB, elite QB just crapped the bed with those numbers!! LOL
Hof you’re an alright guy. But the stats that count are td’s and ints.
21-4 for Rodgers. 12-5 for our boy Smith. Not smart bringing up an elite qb to make a point brotha. Because you know he’s going to bring up the Seattle , minn, and both NY games. No bueno Hoff.
MD, it’s exactly the point! Even the great ones don’t always throw for big yardage! They’re the ones all others are measured.
MD- Not quite right dude. The ONLY stat that REALLY counts, is wins. Any NFL player, sans maybe Cam Newton, will tell you that is ALL that mattters.
Ask Rodgers if he would trade Alex 9 TD passes for the 1 more victory that ‘Alex’ has. End of story.
Bray… You silly kid. Since when does a qb win games by themselves? And since the other Smithers won’t answer the question. Maybe you have some balls. Do the 49ers win without the GREAT defense and running game?????
I’d bet that AR would rather have a defense and running game like smith is blessed with. Think of how many blowouts and superbowls this team would have. DYNASTY!!!!! Disagree with that?
MD- Thanks for the kind words, a kid I am not, nor am I a ‘Smither’.
No QB win games by themselves, silly rabbit. We all know that. The ‘tone’ of my comment was in rebuttal to your statement that TD’s and INT’s are what counts. Wins are the #1 stat, period. Other stats aren’t even on the same level, as Herm Edwards once said, “You play to win the game’.
To answer your question, win WITHOUT a great defense and running game, no I don’t think so, but… With a good defense and good running game, it’s very possible to be succesful, if the game planning and execution on crucial plays is also ‘good’.
Now your turn to answer my question. Do you think Rodgers would trade 9 Td passes to be 6-2 instead of 5-3?
Just so you know, I think we are in the genesis of another DYNASTY right now. We’ll know by the second week of FEB.
MD
Would u rather have the Packers roster or the 49ers one?
Bray… You say teams win. So how does a win count for one player? meaning Qb This was personal stat from AR compared to AS… So in the subject of qb’s only. IMO the only ones that really count are td’s and Ints. Smith is doing ok. I personally would like to see the td’s up, and AR is AR…. But as far as the records of course AR would want 1 more win. But if he had a choice between the two. Or better yet if it was you. Would you take 1 more win or our defense and running game?
As far as the Dynasty. It would be nice. That’s why I want Alex smith to destroy defenses and become elite. There are ZERO dynasty’s without a top flight passing attack. Teams like ours and the way it’s built don’t form dynasty’s. the are usually 1 and done. Hopefully we could be the first ever, but that’s a long shot and these defensive guys aren’t getting any younger. It’s do or die for smith this season. He’s got to improve on last year.
BOS9er says:
October 31, 2012 at 11:18 am
MD
Would u rather have the Packers roster or the 49ers one?
Is rather have Aaron Rodgers on this roster. How’s that sound? Like I said I wouldn’t take that roster over ours. But I’d bet AR would. And if he had a roster like this. I would blow GB up! Lol
The media came up with the “This QB is 6-2 in his last 8 games crap”. I don’t ever think one player should ‘get the win’. That’s media sensationalism, not reality.
Of course I would take the great D and great running game, everybody would, that proves nothing.
As far as ZERO dynasty’s with top flight passing games, go check out the Cowboys of the early 90′s or the Steelers of the 70′s. Both relied on great running games, stout D and a opportunistic offense. The passing game for both were right around 200 yards per game. The key is making big plays when you need them, the Niners need to improve in that area, but also are showing that they realize that and have a game plan to accomplish such.
MD
That sounds great. while we r at it can I get the NFL 75th aniversary team and have the all 90′s team back them up. That is sure to get us a few SB
What Im saying is that U cant have it all. No one can. There are only 3-5 (elite) type QBs who can survive a terrible d and still lead their teams to wins. So does that mean that the other 27-29 teams who dont have those Qbs shouldnt compete? No it just means that u have to make up the difference somwhere else.
Id rather have a top 5 D and the 10th best QB than the other way around. P.Manning is all world but he couldn’t beat NE because they had a good D. Greatest show on turf lost to an average QB and a great D. When the Pats D was elite and Brady was not yet great they were 3-3 in SB. Since then(2005 ish) Brady is elite their D is trash and they are 0-2 in SB
>>Is rather have Aaron Rodgers on this roster. How’s that sound?
Impossible. Who would you dump from our roster to make that happen?
http://www.nfl.com/news/story/09000d5d82aaa669/article/aaron-rodgers-will-benefit-from-drew-brees-contract-but-when
BOS9er, well said!
Rib,
That is one thing that the Niners won’t ever have to worry about, no way, no how will AS ever get a 5 year $100 million dollar contract. If AS ever walks because he feels he is underpaid, no other team will ever pay him that much , because AS would take 4 or 5 years to learn a new system
Alex has made all the money he needs from football. For him its obviously about being around a good organization, good coaching and the respect of his teammates now.
Bos9er…… If you couldn’t have it all there would be no such thing as a dynasty. Thank you come again
Both he and EM had similar type stats. Both won. And both interviews sounded an awful lot like AS’s after his wins with similar stats.
3 things right there they have in common.
Where is the Super Bowl ring dummy, they have nothing in common if one does not have a Super Bowl, that is what you think, oh thick one. Your the one that said Marion and Fouts are not elite because they don’t have rings, but your boy toy who has one playoff win , is now considered elite. God you are so freaking football dumb. Eli Manning is a zillion times better than AS. Get it!!
Smacked!!!! Neal great point. It’s so easy when someone thinks the world of an average player. They take that leap once to often and it always comes back to smack them. Bs is living proof. It’s simple. If smith NEVER wins a ring bs and others would be fine with that. Look 7 years later and they still can’t even call him average. It’s pathetic
@ Neal:
What’s going on? Your last few comments read like you’re coming unhinged.
The 49ers won big Monday night. The team has a 2 game lead in the NFC West. Things are looking good. Try to enjoy the ride.
@Wuss family
Where was PM’s ring before he won? Or any other QB’s? Just shut up. You don’t like AS, go cheer for a team that he isn’t on and stop wasting your time here.
@ ninermd:
7 years later and they still can’t even call him average.
Maybe that’s because there’s a growing body of evidence that Smith is better than average.
By the way, you ducked my question. Despite the evidence to the contrary, why do you keep insisting that Smith hasn’t improved on last year?
Lol bs throwing another fit, because its wrong again. Waaaaaa! You don’t like MC YOU go find another team. And find some courage while you’re at it. Coward !!! Wheeeeew.
So if Eli Manning is so much better and you have an elite crush on him, go buy a Giants jersey and move on.
Hof,
No picks bro. Alex had a decent game. You can’t even admit how important the receivers were to that total. He will always be captain doublecheckdown smith. I think you should complete the passes he did. I’m glad JH designed plays that had those receivers so open so smith could hit them. I can’t knock him this week. He got the wolves off of him for a couple of weeks. We know he’ll turn into the pumpkin again in 2 weeks.
You keep sticking to that theory jive turkey gobbler. You wanted a good defense to stack the box and have Alex beat then with his arm, what happened clown? He did just that with perfection.
You can’t knock him this week because your mouth is full of crow!
Now you have two weeks to think of more excuses? BTW, how’s that protest campaign going? Neal oars board yet?
He has made alot of money even with 7 years of stinking the place up, he robbed the Niners for many years.
For those who want to make their case for or against AS, you have this to work with:
“Smith leads the NFL in completion percentage (69.4), ranks fourth in passer rating (102.1), fifth in yards per attempts (7.9) and his 12 touchdowns tie him for 10th with the Giants’ Eli Manning.”
Interesting TD mark. Being tied with EM. Even though Eli throws the ball a bunch more than AS does.
DS I get what your saying with the stats but again, wins are what counts. Now, no one wants to anknowledge that Alex had a major role in any of that and it was on the defense and special teams, so really, this arguement/debate is counterproductive to what is really right in front of us.
We have drafted a particular type of personnel that is coached and utlized to its strength. If people cannot see, understand, and appreciate the 49er way of football, then let them spew their garbage. The wins supersede all.
Opps.
It was supposed to say
“…make their case WITH stats for or against AS….”
And yes I agree FDM.
QB is the defacto leader of the team because they run the O, touch the ball every play, make adjustments, audibles …etc. Alex is performing well statistically, executing the game plan efficiently, and is leading his team to wins, the only real stat. Don’t really see how anyone can make that a negative….but alas some people just hate being wrong so they fight on to protect their ego and misguided opinion. This is the best QB-ing we’ve had in a long time so as a fan I say keep it up and Go Niners.
BS, no need for your BS stats. The truth of the matter is that AS is very inconsistent, he can play great one game and horrible the next, and as tea party Smither, you can’t take any ownership or put blame on your boy toy. If Smith plays bad it is MC fault, Romo fault, or some dude who is puking on a bad hotdog in the stands.
19 wins out of 25 starts seems pretty consistent to me.
Smithers are in denial, if the entire team played like AS, we would be just have a average record, we are winning in spite of a QB who is limited and is extremely inconsistent and has many mechanical flaws.
Wuss boy, take a hike. One where you don’t come back. 19-5 is what matters to all, but people who suck and have some personal issues extending well beyond AS, Niners or football. You’re a great example of one such person. Not such a great example of a fan though.
@Neal:
we are winning in spite of [Smith] …
Now, that’s just plain ignorant.
AS is driving in the giants parade down market street….don’t think it is a ferrari
Its so ignorant that it does not even warrant a reply.
Neal you dumb jive turkey gobbler, why can’t you come up with something different to say? Are you really that clueless or just plain dumb?
You don’t win 19 out of 25 games being inconsistent and have mechanical flaws jerk off!
No Claude, that is a logical comment. Your statement is ignorant and almost comical, You got to be blind and have not watched one game this year. AS has played 4 great games, 3 poor ones and one below average, and if you don’t see that, your in denial.
claude
Ignorance is when you think you have it right when you don’t, and there is no proof you are wrong.
That isn’t the case with wuss boy. There are a lot of evidence proving him wrong. 19-5 should be all wuss boy needs if he was actually ignorant to change his mind. Wuss boy knows this and still says he’s right. So wuss boy is many things. But ignorant isn’t one of them.
Prime Slime, Axel Road, Welcher who ever the hell you are,you are a phoney piece of crap, bottom dweller and having all of your pathetic multiple profiles on here, you are dumb, deaf and blind. BAWABABAWAHHHHH
BS, please take your meds because you have early signs of dementia kicking in, you are the blog moron on here along with your younger Brother Axel Smith, or is it Prime Slime Welcher. Have you read Football for dummies yet?Do you know what sex you are? He she, She he, gay, female, or a male. It does not matter to me, but you need help with your identity, and stop sucking state funds from the local library, get your own computer, get a job, and stop going to the soup kitchen, their are other people who needs these services, more than a loser like you. LMAO You are such a loser. !!!
DS94everXev says:
October 31, 2012 at 11:41 am
claude
Ignorance is when you think you have it right when you don’t, and there is no proof you are wrong.
Lmao talk about comical. This Oz wandering idiot in search of courage. Is the only thing comical on here. Hey bs did the wizard give you courage yet? So then you can talk about someone’s mother to their face. Or back a punk and his comments about his sick wife. Stay classy and brave. Keyboard bs stain!
@ Neal:
Change it to 4-2-2 or maybe 4-1-1-2, and I can agree with your game-by-game assessment, even if I think that judging a QB on a game-by-game basis is foolish. The season is 16 games long and the goal is to get to and win in the playoffs. The team looks like it will get to the playoffs, assuming it isn’t hit with any devastating injuries. Let’s see how they look over the course of the final 8 games, particularly the final 4 before forming an opinion as to how they will do in the playoffs. You’re only setting yourself up for mood swings if you insist on living game-by-game.
My objection was to the “winning in spite of Smith” portion of your comment – you know, the only portion of your comment that I actually quoted. If Smith has played 4 great games, as you acknowledge, it is ignorant to say that the 6-2 49ers are winning “in spite” of him.
Neal you are so predictable and I do own you. You can’t stay away, I say speak, you bark. I say jump, you say how high.
The jive turkey gobbler keeps gobbling. Your pathetic man! Keep following me little pup!
Claude, I appreciate your comments. AS is very inconsistent. One of the poor games, with a curve might be between poor and below average. Time will tell, without our defense, we are looking at a 500 club.
Prime Slime Welcher, you say the same insults over and over, living at the animal shelter can do that for you. By the way without a freaking doubt, people on here , have lost all respect for you, because frankly you are a idiot, even the Smith think you are a moron and I actually control you little twerp, I get so under your fur, you can’t even breathe. What a dummy you have become on here.Axel no life Smith
If you think Im looking for repsect or worried about gettin repsect on this blog you are the supreme moron I think you are.
Your just bitter cause Alex keeps winning games when you say he cannot. Keep trying jive turkey gobbler’s secretary. Ask your president 23 welcher and your CFO Bayarea if you can get some time off to take some courses on how to read and write proper English.
Prime your spelling is off a little to by the way.
Neal is a hater and does not bring anything of value football conversation wise, let him wallow in his bad analogies while the team keeps winning.
Here’s some perspective. Az isn’t a playoff team. They won’t be a .500 team and this team, which is a playoff team, should have destroyed Az as they did. That’s what playoff teams do.
The bigger challenge will be when Chicago takes the field. Chicago is a playoff team. No one else in the NFC West is. So, I am looking to Chicago as a measuring stick for Alex Smith. I hope that’s a game he goes out and lights up.
Anything beyond that, is just opinion. Facts are SF has beaten 1 playoff team. GB. They’ve lost to 1 playoff team. NY. Everything else is just fodder for the fire.
Smith should excel the remaining games on the schedule. When the playoff start, he’s 0-0 and has to prove himself against real defenses. I hope he silences all critics.
@ Matt:
Arizona may not be a playoff team, but their defense is Top 10 and their pass defense if Top 5, so I wouldn’t be so quick to denigrate what the offense did Monday night.
Anybody see the Post game show online or on TV for channel 5?
Jeremy Newberry says that AS has played 6 good games and 2 bad games. You know, an actual ex-NFL player who played for this team and knows its history. Ratto said if you are finding fault with AS in Monday’s game, you aren’t evaluating him properly.
A Seattle fan gave credit to AS on that link txtree had. So, there you have a reporter, ex-player and a fan of a different team say that AS is better than some here claim, maybe the idea that he isn’t so bad or average has some merit.
And the only evidence that matters, is the one Gruden put out. 19-5. Getting ready for 20-5. End of story.
BS get off your little $2.00 throw. You also said bozo that Jerry Rice knows nothing about QB’s because he would take Peyton Manning over your boy toy any day of the week. Jimmy Johnson, the coach who won a couple of Super Bowls said that Kaep should be starting soon. Anyway BS, are you making your witching brew tonight and scaring young children away from the soup kitchen being it Halloween.
BS, that is thrown
@ Neal:
Do you mean “throne”?
Crap Claude I agree my spelling sucks.
That explains it then.
Bulls spit is more valuable than you wuss boy. Come on, make a mans bet.
BS, are you saying that AS is just as good as EM? What the difference, one has 2 Super Bowls and other has one playoff win, they are very similar.. Got to read football for dummies!!!
Wuss boy
I love this BS person. He gets to you like I never could.
Your the one that is bothered by it witchey.
Neal if the entire team played like AS they would have one of the best records over the past 2 years.
Wait for it……..
19-5
Alex Smith is driving Matt Cain’s car in the parade today. First a caddie and now a chauffeur? Dude needs to get a championship so he can move up in the world ; )
and there is harbaugh
That’s pretty ironic if you ask me Claude. Maybe Cain will get his chance to drive Alex’s car in the parade in FEB.
Hopefully Smith will have a chauffeur in feb.
Exactly MD!
AS is a ‘YES SIR’ good Soldier kind of guy. Leave the man alone :)
I’m disappointed in a few things here. First, we had an awesome week and instead of enjoying an awesome win and finally a good game from Smith, all I am reading are insults from DS and Prime. We won and you two on here acting like the season is over and the team needs your capes to save them. Let’s be honest, SF would play just as well if you both died today as they have all year. There’s no need to disgrace yourselves by degrading people for their opinions.
Second, I thought Prime promised to stay gone for 2 weeks on a bet. I think the most important thing you have here is your word. When you give that up, not much else matters. I’m disappointed.
Third, I hope to see SF make a move by the trade deadline. I think they could pick up some early draft picks with a little shifting. Just my opinion though.
@ Matt:
Whom do you propose the 49ers trade for those early draft picks?
Here are list of players I think you could trade with little affect this year on the team:
C. Kaepernick
D. Walker
B. Jacobs
T. Ginn
B. Miller
I know some of those names aren’t popular, but you look long term, those individuals have worth and can start on another team, while they won’t start here.
Matt,
If you trade Miller and Walker who is going to block for Gore and Hunter?
@ Matt:
Other than possibly Kaepernick, I don’t see any of those players gaining the 49ers an early draft pick in a trade, and I don’t see the 49ers shipping out Kaepernick this year. Also, depending upon the formation, either Miller or Walker is a starter, and both have more value to the 49ers’ offense than they would just about any other offense. Finally, trading Miller would require the 49ers to go with Tukuafu (or Sopoaga) as the FB for the rest of 2012. Given the importance of the fullback to this offense, I’m not comfortable with that idea, and I don’t see Harbaugh doing it.
Not Miller, the guy is a stud run blocker. He has a great chance at making All-Pro is he keeps up what he’s doing and sprinkles in a TD or 2.
Matt
YOor first post here was an insult towards me when I’ve never insulted you. And you have provided that great chess comment that the Niners trust Justin Smith. As if I didn’t know.
And somehow, you don’t mention the crap that is thrown at us at all from people who we weren’t at all talking about in threads, until they chose to be as they are and insult us. You can’t read it right, or you are one of them. Either way, I don’t care. I’m not here for you Matt.
Unless the chess match material was wanting us to die, or implying that you don’t care if we die or live. That has been done before to many of bloggers. So, please come up with something new.
Where’s the chess talk Matt? All I hear is a lot of whining.
Matt its pretty clear you have reading comprehension issues cause the only people I am insulting are the ones who dogged Alex all last week. It’s called slapping trolls straight.
If you want to call running your mouth and predicting failure on a player an opinion then your as equally eligible to my crow feeding.
As for me staying off the blog, well when the blog master lies and says your the same poster, you gotta defend yourself.
I understand. That’s just my opinion.
So defend yourself and then honor your word Prime Foley.
I did piggy backer!
All I know is when I bet Grant and lost, I lived up to my bet.
Primetrash is pretty much the low life that we knew he was. He bet on his boyfriend AS and he lost. No big deal because he never intended on living up to his end of the bargain.
Primewelch is on here at Axel Foley giving himself the banana in the tail pipe.
No integrity. Not a man. Pathetic. And he routes for AS. Nice……
routes? What does he play WR, drive his car?
@ bay:
And he routes for AS. Nice……
I thought all 49ers fans rooted for Smith. He is, after all, the team’s starting QB. If he does well, the 49ers do well.
If your point is that Prime’s lack of character somehow taints everyone who shares his opinion of Alex Smith, I’d like to remind you that you share 23jordan’s opinion of Alex Smith.
What 49er fan would not root for Alex Smith?
Speaking of bannana in the tail pipe, how are those pesky baseball sluggettes?