Tuesday is the NFL trading deadline, and according to Peter King, Kansas City Chiefs Pro Bowl wide receiver Dwayne Bowe is available.
Evan Silva tweeted last night it would take at least a third round pick to trade for Bowe. The 49ers happen to have two third round picks next year.
So, I ask you: Should the 49ers trade for Bowe?
He’s big, he’s fast and he’s one of the most talented wide receivers in the NFL. He caught 15 touchdown passes in 2010.
On the other hand, he’s a free agent after this season.
And what would the 49ers do with Bowe if they traded for him anyway? Stockpiling receivers when you don’t throw them ball doesn’t make sense.
The 49ers have Michael Crabtree who they are determined to feature, Randy Moss who is good for maybe two catches a game and falls down when defenders draw near for the tackle, Mario Manningham who doesn’t see enough balls, Ted Ginn Jr. who seldom sees the field on a normal down and distance, Kyle Williams who is featured occasionally but mainly is a returner, and A.J. Jenkins who has yet to see the field.
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YES! Big bodied reciever, fast, explosive and young. I would be willing to give up a 2nd or 3rd round pick for this guy. He is that good. We have so many picks next year, use some and get a legit WR to compliment Manningham. That would be a great starting tandem.
FDM
Careful. ALL IN may show up for supporting a WR not named MC.
I know but even he has to admit that Crabtree has regressed over the past few games. Of course that will beAalex’s fault but at the same time, Crabtree has not helped his cause all that much either. The swing pass on 3rd and 2 where he gets tackled by a SEA defender by the ankle was terrible. Thats lack of speed and physicality, something that a big, fast WR like Bowe possesses ansd can make those plays consistently.
FDM
As I’ve stated for AS, MC has been up against good defenses the past 2 weeks. The concern I have right now with MC is his lack of progress against tough DB’s from last year to this. And our division is full of them…not to mention the Giants.
Tonight is big for MC. Peterson last year got schooled in game 1 last year. In just a few weeks, he allowed half the yards. Most when Peterson wasn’t even on MC. And Peterson got better. MC was silent in AZ last year.
We don’t have a starting QB to throw him the football. The receivers are not the problem.
True we don’t have a QB that can trow the ball to MC MM RM and others, Can we trade for a better qb?
Have Bowe take the place of Moss next year. Kyle Williams should take over for Ginn Jr. That opens a WR spot for AJ and upgrades the WR position with younger, bigger, faster, better – imho.
You’d have Crabtree, Manningham, Williams, AJ and Bowe
No. Has to learn the system, will be useless until he does.
+1
If we can get him for the right ammount of money then sure. I would rather have us pass up on the possibility of his “big” play potential than harm the possibility of us keeping our defense together.
Your second to last paragraph is your own answer. No, it wouldn’t make any sense for the 49ers to trade for Bowe.
Some posters disagree with you. Why don’t you discuss it with them.
Because THEY will turn it into an Alex Smith discussion
+1 on both counts. Although its got a lot of appeal getting a really talented guy like Bowe for a 3rd round pick, he would first have to learn the playbook, then when would he ever see the field? He’d probably end up somewhere around 3 on the depth chart, behind Crabs and Mario, despite probably being better than both of them, and then he’d probably leave at the end of the year to go to a team that will pay him big$$$ and throw to him a lot more. Waste of time and energy.
I think we should go after him. After all Moss is only on a 1 year deal that’s also really easy to get out of. You seen how Jim cut Edwards last year, he’s capable of doing it again. We need Bowe and Alex has nothing to do with it. To be honest Alex has a weak deal also that’s only 3 years. Colin Kap has proved he can throw down field. He had the strongest arm coming out of college. Yes, stronger than Ryan Mallets. I truly believe Jim and Trent will pull the trigger on this. If Alex can’t get them the ball then Jim will make the change after the season.
Ozzie you are right on. Unless Smith actually goes deep into the playoffs again and steps it up.
Smith has to begin gaining the confidence of the coaches IMO.
I’m tired of hearing it’s only 7 games into the season crap. Basically today is the half way point.
Show some life. Fight for a position. When I look at Smith these days he looks like a guy who thinks he comfortably holds the starter position. No urgency whatsoever.
Urgency unfortunately is not a coachable trait, it’s a personality type.
Grant, thanks for the laugh, got to love that quote
“And what would the 49ers do with Bowe if they traded for him anyway? Stockpiling receivers when you don’t throw them ball doesn’t make sense.”
The problem is that Bowe is a big time receiver, and why would he want to resign with a team that has a limited QB, who has poor pocket presence, many flaws, throws the ball most of the time high, is book smart but play dumb, throws a 3 and 23, for 2 yards a couple of weeks ago. He is regressing every week, and this can get ugly fast for Mr. Inconsistent.
Should the 49ers trade for Deangelo Williams who is also reportedly on the trade block?
I mean if you can pose the question about Bowe with our current stable of WR’s then why is it any less crazy to ask if we should trade for another running back?!?
1. The 49ers run game is good and pass game is not.
2. Dwayne Bowe is good and DeAngelo Williams is not.
Is their pass game not good because of the recievers? Is the run game good because of the running backs?
Would any receiver be good on this team and would any running back be bad?
C’mon this is a legitimate point. Are the current receivers the reason we don’t have a better passing game? Will a better receiver really = a better passing game?
Have you ever watched Bowe play?
Yes sir, but I’ve watched our QB play even more.
Bowe caught 15 TDs in 2010 from Matt Cassel. Alex Smith is better than Matt Cassel.
If Davis isn’t being used then what makes you think Bowe will be?
Is Alex Smith a better passer then Cassel? I agree he’s smarter and a better game manager then Cassel but can you say 100% that Smith is a better passer? If Cassel was put into our QB safe offense would he appear much worse then Smith?
Yes.
Here’s where I’m a little confused by the suggestion;
No one including yourself has questioned the receivers as the reason we don’t pass more. You recently pointed out that Vernon Davis is our best receiver and then blasted our OC for not using him more in our offense?
If we don’t already use our best receiver then what sense does it make to go and get another one?
I don’t think it makes sense, but it’s worth a discussion. Bowe is a special player. FDM wants him. There are lots of opinions, and that’s what makes for horse racing.
I asked opposing questions, my fault. Is your YES to Smith being a better passer or YES to Cassel appearing as good as Smith if he was in our offense.
Smith is better. Cassel would be worse than Smith on the 49ers.
The only situation I think then that would make sense is if we lose Crabtree. If Crabs goes down I could see us tossing a conditional 5th rounder that could escalate to a third depending on playing time. Now this is only if we are contenders otherwise it’s totally moot.
If we plays out the year and his amazing then we give him a new contract, if not then we let him go having only given up a 5th or a 4th.
There lies the crux, he’s not worth enough to us for us to get him. Other teams that do pass more need him more then us and will gladly give up a non-conditional pick for him.
How valuable are those third rounders to the 49ers right now? They have the most talented roster in the NFL.
Sorry that first sentence of the second paragraph is a train wreck, let me correct it:
“If he plays out the year and is amazing then we give him a new contract…”
I don’t think the team views the third round picks with any less value simply because of the team currently in place. Things change and players leave pretty quickly in this league and you have to keep the hopper full, giving away a third round pick to lease a player for two months is a bad decision no matter how good of a team you have.
The question is, use those multiple draft picks to move up in the 1st round and get a eventual successor to Justin Smith, or use two of those picks to add a bonafide playmaker like Bowe on offense?
I say do both. We have like 11 picks next year and with an already deep roster, use those multiple picks and get players that make game changing plays.
We need a difference maker at the WR position. Bowe is that kinda guy. Moss is old, Crabtree not explosive enough, Manningham is coming on but we need someone that can catch passes and be a difference maker from in the redzone and big play capability. I think this guy could be the playmaker we need.
I agree with everything you wrote. I just don’t think Roman would get the most out of Bowe. Roman’s having enough trouble getting Vernon Davis the ball.
Why so down on Roman Grant? His game plans, very conservative, very specific and methodical have been effective for the most part.
I think we keep forgetting Roman’s and Harbaugh’s philosophy when it comes to offensive football. Its not the most exciting brand of football but when you can add a guy like Bowe, he gives you versatility over the middle, deep, and is a physical guy, and he is young and probably dying to get out of KC.
They’d have to sign Bowe after the season, and they’re already paying Davis, Crabtree, Manningham and Jenkins. That’s a lot of receivers for a offensive coordinator who is run-game inclined.
Dwayne Bowe in this offense is like a putting a spoiler on a bulldozer. It’s not going to affect the performance one bit because that’s not what we do. If we were a high speed passing machine then Bowe would help but we’re not. We don’t hit the open receivers that we already have one more faster one isn’t going to make a difference.
Its a valid point though, that the addition of mario manningham has improved the passing game, just maybe not as much as we would like. but that does lend some contradictory evidence to your argument. I realize I’m contradicting myself, but increased talent probably would improved the passing game, just not to the magnitude that it would in a different offensive scheme with a more pass-oriented approach. That being said, I still don’t think its worth it.
And I like the bulldozer metaphor :)
BTW, those 15 TD’s appear to be an aberration as they are more then twice his next biggest total of 7.
One big year doesn’t make him an elite must have receiver nor does it mean he’s that much better then the ones we have.
I don’t think you’ve watched him play.
I don’t think how he looks playing is relevant to the discussion.
He’s one of the best wide receivers in the NFL. That’s relevant to the discussion.
To be fair I have watched Bowe play. I’ve never sat and watched him for an entire game and I completely concede that you’ve almost certainly watched him more then me. I’m a fan of the NFL and I do pay attention to other players.
“He’s one of the best wide receivers in the NFL. That’s relevant to the discussion.”
Top 10?
I think so.
Well I think we at least both agree that regardless of his talent he isn’t the correct fit for the 49ers for a multitude of reasons.
Whether he is a lot or only slightly better then our current corp of receivers isn’t really the point, we don’t have the scheme or the QB to take advantage of his abilities and any money or draft pick used to get or keep him would be wasted until one or both of those restrictions is removed.
Thanks for the exchange it was fun.
Agree. Thanks.
Grant,
Who the hell is going to throw Dwayne Bowe the football? Alex Smith can’t get the ball to the receivers we have. I’ll say it again. You could give us Andre Johnson and Larry Fitzgerald and Alex Smith still can’t throw into tight windows. He still can’t throw a fade after 7 1/2 years. We don’t have a QB who can throw Bowe the ball.
First why would you trade for a WR. Grant points out we have Moss who seems to fall down when defenders get near him – I thought I was the only one who noticed that. Makes no sense to trade for Bowie when he becomes a free agent at seasons end. We have some key FAs coming up that need to be signed before we induldged in another WR.
Is it a WR problem, is it a pass protection problem, is it play calling problem, or is it a QB problem why the passing attack is failing. Too me its all of them combined to create a a inconsistant passing attack. I cant see Bowie being able to help us at this point in the season.
Pound the ball – we win.
Crabtree, most likely gone after his contract expires. Moss is done, and Mario Mannigham seems to be the only true threat out there.
Bowe is young, physical and a difference maker. Im sorry if it sounds like I have a hard on for this guy, but he is a special player and a guy that even in this offense, could be an integral part. Its also about the future and planning for those days when Crabtree walks via free agency and Moss retires.
If he comes for 10, not worth it. JH doesn’t throw it enough times to pay a WR that much.
Under
Disagree here. Next season, we may not be as good if we lose some key players. Bowe has issues, so that is the only thing holding me back from a full endorsement. But I’d expect us to draft another WR anyway(using up a pick). RM/TG likely won’t be back. I think MC may be back, but not at his salary. At this point, DG has shown me enough to pay him top dollar if he maintains his level of play. DG is more valuable than MC. Between the two if a choice has to be made DG is the one I’d keep.
who is DG?
Sorry dangle. Dashon Goldson whom we franchised this year. I had my doubts about giving him lots of money, but he hasn’t made any bone-headed mistakes like he did last year. He keeps that up, pay the guy.
He is playing well for sure. Its hard to be optimistic about them signing him long term thought because he hasn’t handled FA that well these past few years.
We’ll be better next year after Alex assumes his rightful position as the backup QB.
I think Bowie is a talented WR and would be good for the Niners but at this point I dont see him helping the team. Remember we have a complicated offense for these guys to learn. How effective can he really be? I stated why I feel the passing game is inconsistant. If it was just a WR problem I would say go after him but I think its more then that.
Pound the ball – we win.
If you playing under Moss’s deal with Alex throwing the ball to him around crowds waiting to light him up, you get down too. If Moss got hurt, he could get cut the next day with no compensation but an injury settlement. His deal has no security. He won’t fall down if his QB could hit him deeper down field, away from several defenders.
Should 49ers trade for Dwayne Bowe?
No.
I honestly don’t see where the money would come from to sign him, we have several key components of our defense that need to be signed next year. I don’t think WR is a position we could upgrade a huge ammount in, I think we have good WR I just don’t think we are utilising them propperly. I honestly would much rather we get another defensive lineman than waste a prospect on a reciever we wont use. We need to think of the future and start training a replacement for Justin Smith, also I’m still not satisfied with what we have as a new center. Those are both bigger needs before we get a WR.
Bingo!!! Justin Smith is not getting younger and it looks to be showing this season. Not saying he’s washed up. But I don’t see the will being imposed so far this season. And I think our wr’s a good enough to cause damage. Another wr isn’t going to do anything for us if not utilized properly. Get a young stud DE to mold for the next 2 years. Keep that side of the DL strong. Good post.
Yes. The Niners are well-stocked in the receiver position for the offense they run. The areas where Niners need to spend money in the near and mid-term future are safety and D line depth.
Especially the D line. Similar to JS, ISop is not getting younger. They’ll need stout run stoppers to anchor that line in the very near future either throught the draft or FA.
The 9ers like to keep within their budget. Trading for DBowe who has a salary of just under $10M, is not the 9ers front office M.O. Personally, I like DBowe because he fights for the ball like a DB and if it’s not catchable, he makes sure the defender doesn’t catch it. He’s only 28 and if they could get him for only a 3rd round pick, it’s very draft pick affordable. Just think back to last year when playing the NYG’s in the Championship game and the 9ers had to resort to using two WRs off of their practice squad. Again, I just think it would be more of a budget issue for them.
For 10 million, screw it. He isn’t 2x as good as MC, and if I’m overpaying, I’m getting the best in LF.
The 10 million was because of the franchise tag was it not? They can structure a deal to make it work at the end of the year if they decide it works mutually. A third round oick is worth it for this kinda player even if its for the remaining part of the yar and possible future.
They have another with Bowman under contract and Goldson can be franchised again.
DS, Bowe is a better WR than Crabtree.
Yes, it was a franchise tag signing dollar amount but he will want a contract that is comparable – 3 yr for $30M+??!
When was the last time we had a legit top 10 WR on this roster? Regardless of scheme and QB, these type of playmakers are essential to any offense. Hof, he is that good. He rivals guys like Roddy White, Julio Jones, and Mike Wallace in big play capability.
At some point the 49ers need to spend some money on some established free agents. We have drafted well and have managed our cap situation admirably, but come on, spend some money for once.
How do you know that we don’t have one now? If the scheme and/or QB are holding back Crabtree how do you know for 100% fact that he isn’t a top 10 WR?
I look at it from a speed perspective and play making ability. I have not seen Crabtree once in all his years in SF catch the ball, elude defenders and run it in for a score. I have also seen him make some amazing catches but more or less in a possession recieving role.
Bowe is a unique player and if I have said this too much, its cause I think he is the real deal. Fast, physical, can go over the middle and over top defenses. He is proven.
Except for the fast part you just described Crabtree.
“I have not seen Crabtree once in all his years in SF catch the ball, elude defenders and run it in for a score.”
Guess you missed the Rams game last year…
“I have not seen Crabtree once in all his years in SF catch the ball, elude defenders and run it in for a score.”
Consistently? As compared to other #1′s? No.
Im not trashing Crabtree but he is not in the same conversation as Jones, Wallace, or White when it comes to big play capability. Crabtree is a possession reciever. Good for short yardage and underneath routes.
We need someone on the outside that stretch the field, play underneath and create big plays all on his own with speed and physicality on the ground and in the air.
Interesting question and he’s a good player, but there is no way this is even on the Niners radar imo. They don’t use the guys we have all that much nevermind bringing in another one.
I don’t think the WR depth chart is a problem. The offense is not focused on the WR’s. We can argue forever on that because I’m sure we’d all like to see some more aggressiveness in the passing game, but we have some pretty good talent there already. Bringing in Bowe would just be adding another piece they wouldn’t get enough use out of imo and I highly doubt he’d resign with the team after the season.
FDM says:
October 29, 2012 at 10:53 am
Im not trashing Crabtree but he is not in the same conversation as Jones, Wallace, or White when it comes to big play capability. Crabtree is a possession reciever. Good for short yardage and underneath routes.
We need someone on the outside that stretch the field, play underneath and create big plays all on his own with speed and physicality on the ground and in the air.
How do you know that? We are a balanced team remember. Obviously you don’t watch the games. MC has shown capability of getting open downfield and doesn’t get the ball. He’s a possession receiver because our qb is a manager. If Smith was a manning type of qb. I’d bet MC would have more td’s and more yards. Meaning he’d be a threat all over the field. So yeah you kinda are trashing MC. His talent is still an unknown.
Ninermd once again your reputation as someone who hates Smith and revolves everything around the 49ers as Smith’s incapabilities is as boring as ever.
If you think Crabtree is as explosive as those players I mentioned that maybe its you that is watching a different game.
Im not arguing anymore when it comes to Smith. His play will determine everything and if you want to argue it daily and bring him up daily and use the same tired arguements like you always do, have at it, Im not interested.
Hate for Smith? Fdm show me a post where I say I hate smith. Instead of calling names why don’t you look at the other side of the table for once. A receiver can’t be great without a good qb that gets him the ball. That’s just fact. Now although Smiths ypa are up so far this season. Doesn’t mean that’s his nitch. That’s my only point. It’s impossible to bring up a receiver without some mention of the qb. And to be honest stretching the field is NOT smiths strength. So how on earth can you fairly tag MC as not a deep threat? Maybe it’s your hate for MC that’s clouding your mind FDM! I am pulling for Smith to play well. How about you with MC?
Ninermd,I never called you any names, and I am not arguing with you in regards to Smith.
As for Crabtree, saying he is not explosive is not hating on him is it? I just think he is a possession reciever and not in the big play capability likeJ. Jones, Wallace, or Roddy White. Thats it, dont turn this into your usual tirades and then start calling out DS and claude for whatever reason like you always do.
Tit for tat FDM… You said my hatred for smith shows. When all I do is being up my concerns about his play. I know some call that hating. But I call it keeping it real. And c’mon man. You can’t talk about a receiver without talking a little about the guy who will be throwing to him.
Nah, Ninermd, the Smith thing is done. Wether that includes talking about WR’s, coaches, every single throw, defending him, Im done with it. The play on the field and win totals at the end of the year will say it all. Its not like we have not talked about it enough already.
True FDM… Talking about it isn’t the problem for me. It’s the fighting about that is. That’s old. Lol
2 names that shuts down the D Bowe talk.
1 Dashon Goldsen
2 N Bowman
Priority’ over any other players in FA. Unless one of the elites become available. Lol
Bowman is signed through next season, and he’s a prime candidate for the franchise tag.
It’s always comes back to budget. NBowman is the key signing this offseason. They need to keep him period.
Grant, yes NB is a free agent after 2013 but in order to keep this defense elite for the next 5 years, they need to lock him up to a longer term deal after the season. He’s a top 5 LB and they don’t come around often.
Right Hof. As someone else stated I’m not into renting players either. And the franchise tag is a lease contract. Signing Bowman after this year guarantee’ him staying and shows him that the 49ers think he is a top priority. That go’s a long way for players. There are certain players that shouldn’t see a franchise tag. An I have to say NB is one. Way to valuable.
They”ve got Bowman for two more years with his contract and the franchise tag if they decide to go that route. I’m not sure the money is available to sign a second ILB to a monstern contract, in fact I’d bet there isn’t. Bowman is a luxury that they probably can’t afford beyond a couple of more seasons. With all the picks they have next season they’ll probably draft with that in mind.
Goldson is either going to sign long term or be let go after this season. The franchise tag is going to be ridiculous in year two and I doubt they’ll stomach paying it. There currently isn’t a viable replacement for him on the roster so it’ll be interesting to see how they go about it.
Rocket, just look what happened to San Diego after letting good players such as DSproles and VJackson get away in FA. They aren’t as easy to replace as the FO thinks. Do we really believe (or the FO) that NBowman can be replaced by a drafted player? Always a risk if they pan out or not. With NBowman, there is no doubt. Sign the man to a long term deal as soon as possible!!
MD,
I told you this was the problem at the start of the season. We don’t have the capability to use a superstar wide receiver in the fashion in which he can be used. We will NEVER know how good Crabtree can be until he get to play with a QB that will throw him the ball 10 times a game. Yeah I know, I’m blaming Smith again. I guess I should be blaming everyone else.
Pointless conversion Grant. If we wanted to take advantage of a big bodied receiver, we would line up VD as a WR and throw slants to him all day.
All we talked about during preseason was that we needed a red zone presence and that Moss was going to get lots of targets. Not being utilized. MM is a vertical threat, not being utilized. VD emerged end of last season as a scoring threat, not being utilized. Why do we keep trying to hand fast race cars to a QB that is content to keep them off the freeway.
We’ve done our process of elimination. Who’s fault is it that this train cannot seem to get on track? It comes down to Roman or Smith. They’ve now taken the ball out of Smith’s hands. And when he has had a shot and the receivers are open, half the time he misses them….
Roman should be lining VD out wide and calling slants for him, you’re right.
EXACTLY!!!
You have Walker, Celek and Dobbs to use as blocking TE’s…utilize Vernon’s size, speed and athleticism catching the ball.
Nice topic Grant, it was a good way to create a little conversation. I think, what do you think is the 49ers biggest draft/trade need going into next year, could have been a fun topic as well.
When teams take the slant away then what?
I’m saying Roman needs to do more with Davis.
I really don’t want to go here and I pray to jebus or whomever that this doesn’t sprial off into the abyss that this topic usually goes but…I really don’t think it’s Roman that isn’t taking advantage of Davis or the other receivers…. wink wink nod nod..say no more.
No. Davis is the best blocking tight end in the NFL. Many of the great runs are assisted by his, an Walkers, blocking. Lining him out wide would adversely effect t he running game.
The reason why we dont line up our TE out wide is cause everyone knows what he is going to do, go deep. Easy to defend. But by having a trio of Bowe, Manningham, and Vernon, those are all physical receievers who will go deep, across the middle and are pretty fast.
Manningham is being utilized and is now Smith’s go to wideout. Vernon has been unfortunatley used as a blocking TE because the game plans have been run focused.Moss is done, sorry, one trick pony that goes deep and when he does catch an intermediate route, he falls down to avoid contact.
Bowe would not do that. He would run over defenders. The better question is, has Roman no faith in his current wideouts?
Roman seems to have plenty of faith in Crabtree. He keeps calling plays for him.
No trades for draft picks. we have alot of picks stock piled and might be able to move up in the draft. great orginizations build through the draft. I believe the 49ers will be drafting DE’s OLB’s and CB’s next year not WR’s. Under Harbaugh the 9ers will pound the rock so WR are under valued. So i’m voting no on Bowe.
I’d trade for Bowe, IF the Chiefs let us negotiate with him first, and sign a contract extension for at least a year or two. Otherwise, it’s not worth it for a few games.
And spread that 10 million out some.
We have 12 draft picks next year. There is NO WAY even 6 or 7 draft picks make our 53 man roster next year. This is great luxury we now have so I think we should start swinging some trades and getting value. One thing we know about Baalke: He will not give up a 2nd/3rd round pick for a half season rental. Bowe would have to agree to an extension now to get a deal done.
Yup…
Not into renting players for a few months…
Would love to have him next year and going forward, especially for “only” a third round pick (next years WR’s Crab, Manningham, Bowe, Jenkins, Williams would be more than solid, imho), but he’s cost prohibitive.
So, no on Bowe. Undeniably good receiver. Too many negatives including, but by no means limited to: current contract length, likely cost to retain his services beyond this year, immediate lack of familiarity with the system, current offensive philosophy.
theres no way paraag marathe and bowes agent could come to terms on a long term deal before the trade deadline. the trade is a non starter
Matt Barrows has an interesting post on teams who have developed defensive game plans that have taken vernon davis out of the game and how the 9ers have won all 3 games against the teams that have tried
I was watching a replay of the Seahawks game and it was interesting how they motioned Davis to the outside thus dragging the safety with him. That allowed Frank Gore to gain several more yards once he got to the second level. Vernon Davis helps the Niners run game in so many ways.
I brought that up last week too Mood. Just another way Roman utilized Davis to open up the offense in the 2nd half.
Bingo. #1 Rule, take what the defence gives you. You consistently break that rule, you will lose.
IMO… Getting a Bowe wouldn’t help this team enough for the price. The 49ers as of right now have enough talent for multiple superbowls in those positions. The problem is the inconsistent play from qb and play calling. How would another wr help Alex smith? The way he has started this year it looks no different than last season. Can’t or won’t find the recievers that are open now.
Grant I hear you bring up GR and how he’s not utilizing VD. Could that be because of poor qb play? Do you think they had higher expectations from smith this season and Smith hasn’t met those expectations? IMO they wanted more from smith than game managing and wanted to stretch the field and make the passing game more than one dimensional. Smiths ypa is up and anyone could see that in the first 6 games Smith was throwing deeper more than before. And it Didnt work so well.
I don’t see DB helping and I don’t see GR being the problem for the passing attack. I think his mistake was putting more pressure on Smith to make more bigger plays and it backfired. I think Smith limited abilities has forced GR hand into going back to the offense we seen last season. Not that it’s a bad thing, but its not a great thing either. GR is getting slack for Smiths inabilities IMO!
*flack*
Recall the draw play where Smith ran for a couple of yards to set up the FG against the Hawks? That’s the kind of play HarbRo ran with Andrew Luck at Stanford in those situations (except against Oregon), and have the Stanford defense do their thing. Maybe Luck gains a couple of yards or even a first down against a college D. HarbRo would call that play with Peyton Manning at QB (one reason why PM wouldn’t want to be in that position). That’s who they are.
MD,
IMO they wanted more from smith than game managing and wanted to stretch the field and make the passing game more than one dimensional. Smiths ypa is up and anyone could see that in the first 6 games Smith was throwing deeper more than before. And it Didnt work so well.
Saying it again a few days later in a different thread doesn’t make it anymore right than it was before. You are incorrect in your assessment. Now you are just running around with your fingers in your ears.
For one day, can we not talk about something other than Alex Smith. Who keeps bringing him up all the time, the Haters or the Smithers? Well the thread does not lie.
Ypa is up. Do the math rocket.
FDM,
You don’t talk about him because you would rather us ignore his bad play of late. Forget about it and get ready for more of it after this game tonight. Its not about to get any better.
If you say so 23welcher. Think and believe what you want. The Alex debate is over as far as Im concerned.
For the record, Primewelcher is the welch in this room.
Lets see Prime. You continue to call the boys on my 13 and under team girls. Grant deletes your comments because you are insulting kids.
I then bet you that your crush Alex can’t throw for 200. Loser stays out of the room for two weeks. You lose the bet, then you make up an alias to stay in the room basically welching on your bet. Once you get busted out, you come back to call the boys on my team names again.
Primetrash is the most suitable name I have for you.
It’s so cute when bay goes into protective mode for 23welcher.
Hey bay, let’s look at the record:
23jordan says:
September 20, 2011 at 8:55 am
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I’ll stop posting here altogether if Alex Smith Is a 49er next year. Write that down and locknot in. He may get benched before the season is over. He will NOT be back here next year.
Funny, Alex Smith is a 49ers this year (actually, he’s the starting QB) and jordan didn’t stop posting here altogether. Moreover, he’s actually proud of being an untrustworthy lowlife welcher.
I am trying to figure out how anyone else could welch enough to wrest the welching crown away from jordan. I suppose anything’s possible, but I just don’t see it.
Claude don’t piggyback that crap onto a more important issue which is Primetrash continuing to call the boys on my team names.
Otherwise you are lumping yourself in with him.
Lets just say it out loud. It has nothing to do with Smith at this point. I don’t like you Claude. But I least I didn’t say I despise you. I save that for Primetrash.
People that are trash don’t know it. Even when an entire room sees them that way they still don’t know it.
I’ll let Karma get primetrash.
Grant,
last weekend we played against a team that had four of the original players from the Petaluma little league world series on it.
We beat them. But afterwards something pretty cool happened. Our boys went over and hung out and talked with them. Those Petaluma boys have “star power”. Good group of kids….
What did your kids think of those kids? Has fame changed them?
Claude, “I am trying to figure out how anyone else could welch enough to wrest the welching crown away from jordan.”
How about losing a bet so you have to stay off the blog for 2 weeks, but they then create a different screen name and continue on, denying it even after being outed by Grant. At least Jordan continued on under his same name.
@bay, Jack:
Point taken. I am not here to support Prime Time or defend his actions. I am just now learning that Grant confirmed him as Axel Foley. Prime made his bed, so he has to lie in it.
But the fact that Prime is a welcher doesn’t change the fact that jordan is the welcher. And not on a measly two week bet, either. And the fact that he is brazenly defiant about it certainly doesn’t give him any moral high ground.
No way should they trade for Bowe. I don’t think he is better than what they currently have starting for them right now.
Jack, Bowe has had two 1100+ yard seasons the last two years and is currently 8 yards away from 500 yards at the midpoint with subpar QB’s throwing him the ball. When is the last time the 49ers had a 1000 yard receiver?
I still don’t think the 49ers will trade for him though for many of the reasons fans have already listed, however.
Bowe would not be a 1000 yard receiver here.
Coffee, that was a response to Jack saying he is no better than any starter currently on the 49er roster. Since Bowe has been putting up those numbers with the likes of Cassel, Palko, Orton, Croyle and Quinn, it could be argued that he is as good as any 49er starter. My post had nothing to do with him as a 49er since I stated it wouldn’t happen.
Spaceborn,
Bowe would be hard pressed to be a 1000 yard receiver in this offense with this QB. It would be a waste.
Jack, I was speaking to individual talent level. There is no doubt that Bowe is a very talented WR that has put up great numbers with bad QB’s. Do you see the QB’s I listed in the response to Coffee? Do you consider any of them as being better than Smith?
You are probably right about not getting 1000 yards on this current offense short-term, but none of us have a crystal ball about how the results would be with a QB change in the future. And I’m not necessarily saying that QB would be Kaepernick or Tolzein. I’m never surprised with the way Baalke and Harbaugh draft and wouldn’t be shocked if they went after a QB next year. If a QB like Tyler Wilson out of Arkansas fell to the 49ers in the late 1st, hmmmm, maybe?
Coffee, the #1 reason Bowe wouldn’t be a 1000 yard receiver here is because we have the best rushing attack in the NFL.
It’s not so much an indictment of the passing game (suggesting he won’t put up big numbers here, or that he “won’t be utilized properly”) but a nod to what we do better than any other team in the league (pound it down your throat) and one of the reasons we’re a league powerhouse. Booya!
Why didn’t teams make a bigger push to trade for him last off season if he’s in fact a top 10 WR?
No for a few reasons:
1. He would have to learn the system before he could play.
2. He’ll be a free agent at the end of this season, a free agent that the
Niners would’nt be able to afford. Drafting a fast big-bodied WR
would make more sense.
3. He checks in and out of games. A prime example of this is when the
Chiefs vs. Steelers game last season. On the Chiefs last drive, Casssel
threw a pass to Bowe that Bowe should have caught. Instead, Bowe
didn’t make an attempt to catch with his hands naturally, but with
his arms’ which would have been fine except it was a jump ball. He
would have caught it if he had made a fulll effort instead of a
half- hearted one. The result of this was the pass being intercepted,
ending the Chiefs’ chances to win the game in the final minutes. If
he did that here, he’d find himself warming the bench because
Harvaugh wants a full effort.
so time for predictions. How many sacks will the 49ers get tonight. i’m saying 5 but if they get less vs. a weak ariz o line i believe fangio needs to take a hard look at his schemes and or his personell groupings
Is it my imagination or are opposing quarterbacks getting the ball out faster? Even if that’s the case, I would expect the DBs to be jumping more routes.
Aldon Smith’s strength seems to be the last 2 steps to the quarterback, rather then initial burst off the line of scrimmage. (Not that I’m saying Aldon’s burst is bad, just not as impressive as his preying mantis like closing speed)
Still, I agree the 49ers should be hitting the QBs more often, with more disruptive force. I think the absence of Parys Haralson is having a subtle effect on Aldon’s 2nd half energy.
@ Brodie:
Is it my imagination or are opposing quarterbacks getting the ball out faster?
I think so. I can’t think of any other explanation for the 49ers giving up 60 fewer yards passing per game than they did last year at the same time they are recording far fewer sacks. QBs have to be getting rid of the ball quicker and consequently throwing shorter passes. The 49ers’ yards/attempt given up also is very low.
I also agree with you about Aldon Smith’s closing burst. I don’t know if it is possible to verify objectively, but it seems like his final step to the QB is exceptionally quick.
That’s a trend league-wide, and has been for several years. It’s tied into the TE seam routes to power forward tight ends. The field is shrinking in harmony with the quickening of the passing game. While pass attempts are up from the 1980′s, for example, the % of those attempts that are long bombs is way, way down.
Parys Haralson’s presence has been missed
I have not seen Bowe play so I can’t say for sure… but I’ve been excited about the extra third rounder as far back as draft weekend. I hope the 49ers keep both.
Remember the extra 3rd rounder was from Carolina, currently 1-6. It should be a pretty high pick…. about 67-78 overall. Combine that with other picks, and you have alot of trade up value.
Given once going on on the East coast I’m reminded of how I’ll gladly take a major earthquake every 20-30 years or so rather then have to deal with floods, tornadoes and hurricanes every damn year. Yes my house cost’s 4 times as much as yours but at least I’m not rebuilding the sucker every 5 years.
Its not that bad out here, but this past year when Irene and Lee hit it did collaspe 32′ of my basement wall.
Just read the trade deadline has been pushed back to Thursday.
Who would we cut to make room for him???
Will Jacobs be active tonight?
You mean, will he get zero plays while dressed, or in civvies?
Grant,
I get that you are trying to kick start a conversation about Bowe. Dead end conversation. He is a possession receiver that would be valuable on a team that had a QB that can get him the ball.
Throw out the Buffalo game which was an anomaly, and go back and tell me the last time Smith connected on a pass of 20 yards or more to a WR……He’s done it like three times in the last 12 games. With Jenkins being an up and comer we don’t need receiving. We need cojones at the QB position.
Cassel got Bowe the ball ’10. Cassel is terrible.
It’s not hard to get the ball to a receiver like Bowe. He’s big and he fights for it in the air.
Can he jump 15 feet in the air to fight for balls?
Dwaye Bowe has caught several TD’s this year, almost all of them in garbage time with KC down about 35 points…..to Buffalo.
It’s a lot easier to put up big passing yards when you’re down by 35 and have no other option but to chuck it up!
Conversation kick started I guess. For Bowe to fight for a ball in the air that means you are throwing it up in traffic.
I throw a question back to you. Will Smith throw a ball up in traffic and let his receiver fight for it?
Usually not, but he has in the past with Davis.
Give me Dez Bryant
Getting a WR like Bowe would do this offense no good. We pass for 200 ypg. Our offense is bulit around running and throwing when we have to. Plus, Alex cant use the weapons he already has, adding more will just confuse the guy.
Would not have been hard to get Moss the ball in the back of the endzone, but we saw how that worked out. I do not believe the 49ers are interested in Mr. Bowes’ services. I think they are interested in an outstanding offensive performance this evening given the time to prepare.
The Alex Smith story coming on Hallmark this winter is coming to a end. Lets try to get Bowe, because most likely Precious won’t be starting for long.
Hi everyone, to everybody that says no to d bowe shame on you. We
Need as many weapons as possible right now not next year.
Our time for super bowl is now and having someone who is young
And in his prime is a better threat than someone who is past there
prime.this guy will be a threat on every series not just twice a game.
Our expectations are now not in 3 yrs. Lets bring in d bowe and have another valuable weapon to push our other guys to be better