Here is what Greg Cosell said on the Murph and Mac Show Thursday morning about Alex Smith’s game against the Arizona Cardinals last week.
COSELL: “I think he was highly efficient. I think that the majority of his yards came from run-after-catch. That’s not something you can count on for your explosive pass plays on a week-to-week basis.
“The interesting thing about this offense – and it will be very interesting to see as they go forward – in this game, Smith did not throw one pass in the air from the line of scrimmage that went more than 20 yards, and only three passes in the entire game that went more than 10 yards in the air from the line of scrimmage. This game, it worked, and he was highly efficient. The question is can you live like that in your pass game week to week?
“I didn’t watch the tape and say, ‘Oh my God, what an amazing passing performance by the 49ers!’ It was a lot of short, quick throws, which, by the way, is good coaching. That’s what Alex Smith is. For the most part, he’s a plant-and-throw quarterback – the throw must be defined pretty quickly and the ball has to come out. I thought he was terrific with that, and then he got a ton of run-after-catch. Like I said, I don’t think you can live like that every single week.”
Do you think Cosell’s assessment fair? Why or why not?
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You can’t rely on passes over 20 yards every week either. You can’t rely on anything to happen every week. Each game is going to be different and you adjust accordingly.
Very good point. You do what you have to do to win the next game on the schedule. The thing that I think is not appreciated by the “national media” is that the 49ers play team football. They do the things that they do on offense because it gives them the best chance to win. The offense complements the defense and the special teams and vice versa.
Great Points!
It’s ALL about Winning & don’t really care how the 49ers do it.
Does Mr Cosell take into consideration that all of those short passes were right where the receiver was…if the receiver was 25 yards out, that’s where the pass would have been placed. I’ve never seen such skepticism on an 18 for 19 performance. Get real
Coming from eyes at the game, there were NO receivers who ran 25 yards out. I agree with Coswell’s view. Alex Smith didn’t miss an open receiver this week which was nice. However, the game plan didn’t call for any receivers to go deep which was also nice because frankly no one in the NFL believes AS is going to make that throw.
Instead, the receivers stayed short to help block and it worked.
I think Washington is running the same game plan with RG3. Sure, SF looks great against bottom feeders. Playoff teams? Those YAC aren’t there.
And that’s why they play the game because all the Symantics like “playing against bottom feeders” goes by waist side when Alex proves otherwise come Playoff Time.
“goes by the way side”. Good grief…have you never seen the phrase in writing before?
English translation: And that’s why they play the game because all the semantics like “playing against bottom feeders” goes by wayside when Alex proves otherwise come playoff time.
Money where your mouth is?
Well, we all know that Cosell has been brutally honest in his assessments of AS over the last two season and that this does not go over very well with the AS supporters.
I caught some of Cosell’ interview and disagreed with his comment that “Alex Smith is a complimentary puzzle piece of the offense.”
AS’ position is vital to the functioning components to this offense, of which there are many.
Cosell needs to understand the Hank Stram theory of “metriculating the ball downfield” methology.
Our style of offense does not revolve around the long pass. The WCO revolves around timing routes with the occassional deep shot.
I do agree with Cosell that this type of offense is not beneficial if the team falls behind in games as we saw against the Vikes and NYG.
Harbaugh/GR will need to devise an offensive exit strategy for those games in which we fall behind. But I’ll reserve that for another topic (lol).
All and all, not a bad piece by Cosell.
Well said
You can’t rely on AS to be efficient every week, and if past history is considered every week will be a new adventure, would love Joe Montana come in and give Mr. Inconsistent a few lessons, on pocket presence and seeing the entire field, but that will never happened.
So why bring it up?? Get over the hero worship, it’s unbecoming in this day and age.
55 Niner,
Their are about 6 cult people on here, that hero worship AS. One of even thinks AS would of won multiple Super Bowls if he had JM teams in the 80′s.
@Neal….
I won’t dispute the fact that Joe Montana is arguably the best QB to have played in the NFL…but, those teams that he played on were damn good teams, so he didn’t do it on his own…..
Neal likes to speak for everyone else and puts labels on who they are. He is a follower of a lesser power. The God of hate is who Neal worships.
He is basically 23jordan 2.0, the newer more unintelligent version.
@Prime..
Hey, he’s entitled to his OPINION just as everyone else on the blog is….I just can’t get behind the name calling….I’m probably considered a ‘Smither’ by some of the regulars here….that’s fine, it’s not that important to me. Football is entertainment for us, and business for them…win or lose, 200 yds. or 300 yds. passing, my life doesn’t change…I try to keep it in context.
Prime time, your sister BS called me a skin head talking about a God of hate.
Well said55 but if the opinion has no football context and it’s all personal opinion and critical, disparaging comments, then I feel the need to call it out for what it is.
It’s unnecessary instigating comments that cause childish feuds between fans. If you really hate Alex Smith why are you on here daily telling people about it over and over again?
55 Niner,
First I don’t see AS playing for a Bill Walsh team, he is a very slow learner, has poor pocket presence, dumps the ball if his primary is covered and does not see the entire field and players like Rice and Taylor would be a waste of talent. Can you imagine in 1000 years that AS could see Dwight Clark in the back of the end zone for The Catch.
Neal shut up for once, your a clown if you cannot figure out the difference between calling someone mentally disabled/down syndrome versus a skin head.
Even if you are 10 yearsold, you would know its not right. You obviously don’t have that type of thinking capacity.
Having a religion that the skinheads hate, I found your sister insults very offensive , but than again, your brain is the size of a pinhead so you don’t get it.
Alex a slow learner? He completed an undergraduate degree in 2 years.
He is book smart but a very slow learner on the field, Two different things
Don’t try and defend it Neal, just admit you should not have said it or shut up about it. Move on, everyone knows your not that smart and expect something stupid to come from your mouth, but comparing a skin head to down syndrome, come on man?
@Neal,
That analogy was utterly STUPID! I don’t see Alex playing for Bill Walsh either, not because of the reasons you noted, but because Bill Walsh has passed on….no need to put your twist on why Alex wouldn’t play for BW, the reasons are obvious.Your comments pretty much validate the reason why you get so much negative and vitriolic feedback from your posts…..
Perhaps you have down syndrome too, because calling me a skin head is the same to me as a Natzi lover, you dumb arse!!! Also calling my kid dumb, and saying you have banged my Mother a zillion times is deplorable. Oh wait are you going to asked me to find those blogs that you claimed you banged my mother and quit this web-site, yea we know how prime welcher works !!
That’s exactly what I’m talking about 55, he has no idea!
Neal
Remind the blog what people are who mention AS in the same post with JM are called as you did in the 12:47 post. Because you did. Then in your 3:02 post you again bring up AS with the dynasty years.
I’m loving this BS person. He controls everything you do here without actually being here. Jedi masters would be impressed.
Haters are inconsistent with everything except hating.
DS, You had said many times AS would of won multiple Super Bowls if he had JM teams. What is your response to that.
BS, I have had this question to you now twice and you refuse now to answer it. It figures.
What is your response to JM never had to play with a poor defense or HC in his career?
And why care if somebody says the current Niner QB could win with JR/RL/RC/JT and more. How does that impact your life, those people involved(AS/JR/etc) or their accomplishments?
If an average QB could win with this defense and playmakers, how is that worse than saying AS could win playing with the best dynasty in football history? You think you are defending the past? You’re insulting them instead. JR made every QB look great. Grback, Bono, some loser from TB whose stats were nothing before coming here, the practice squad guys, EVERYBODY.
Anyone who puts Alex Smith in the same category as Montana or Young obviously started following the 49ers in 2005 when the team made the biggest mistake in franchise history.
That biggest mistake statement came from Jerry Rice, not me.
DS, So you are saying YES, that AS would win multiple Super Bowls with JM team?
I answered your questions before. Answer mine. What year could JM have a poor game, and the Niners D gave up a zillion points preventing any real chance for a comeback?
And if you don’t think JM had some piss poor games for 3 quarters then was good for 1 while the D kept him in the game, you never saw him/Niners play. JM had a top D in his 1st year starting. AS had the worst Niner team in history. Tell me JM didn’t have a huge heads start next to AS that had nothing to do with AS or JM at all. But maybe having a top d and best HC in history helped more than “make a play, and Gotta see the film” HC helped AS.
I don’t know. What do you think?
@MS,
Correction on the biggest mastake in 49er history…
that would have to go to the Mariucci Era for drafting Giovanni Carmazzi instead of Tom Brady….let’s not forget about drafting Jim Druckenmiller either.
DS, Comparing JM to AS, is comparing a Lobster to a PBJ sandwich. AS would not make any 49er team, even Steve Bono and Elvis are better QB’s than AS will ever be. I just could not see Ronnie Lott and AS in the same locker room.
55,
Not really most agree with me, their are 5 or 6 smithers who don’t,some have double and triple profiles
Neal who would agree with you, the four other members of your jive turkey gobble gobble club? The ones you follow around and whatever they say, you nod and agree? That’s great, dumb should stick together.
BTW, just because people shave their heads, does not mean they are Nazi’s. Just admit you should not have used that term.
Well if most agree that the analogy wasn’t stupid, then, they too, need to stop the hero worship. Either that, or you’re so enamored with yourself and your opinions, that you believe most agree with you. Joe Montana and Bill Walsh, those type of guys come along once on a lifetime….. they’ve come and gone.
Yeah, I wish that Eddie D still ran the team, and that there was no salary cap…but it ain’t happening…time to move ahead.
Prime Slime Axel Welcher, I won’t admit that I should not use that term, looks like you must be the real hater of Jews and Blacks because according to you, having your sister call me a skin head is no big deal.
Wow Neal, your living in a life of denial. Just apologies for using that term and it’s all good?
No apolgies coming. You just don’t have a ounce of empathy in your little mind
Come on Neal, you know that comment was out of line, just be a man and say you should not have used it. You don’t have to apologize, just say it was a derogatory term and you should not have used it? What’s the big deal?
Not compared with 3/4 of the crap on here. Calling someone a skinhead, is way more offensive than calling DS, has down syndrome.
It’s very difficult to determine who is more unintelligent between 23 and Neal.
JH said it takes 2 full seasons to be an expert in this offense. JH proclaimed AS accomplished that feat in 1. Sounds like a very slow learner on the field. Do you just make sh!t up or what?
Montana man says
” It very difficult to determine”
It got to be very difficult to be you and you find everyday to be difficult because your are kind very slow putz.
Somebody tell him how to read!
Of course you probably could’ve copy and pasted and still got that wrong!
No Montana I think he really believes everything he reads or what his jive turkey club tells him.
He does not watch the games and if he does, he is not understanding what the 49ers are doing scheme wise offensively. Trying to explain it might be like talking to a donkey.
I’m gathering that!
Prime Slime Welcher,
You are nothing but a spineless phony who has to get your tiny nuts into everything.
MontanaMan, Going to read your blogs when I go to sleep, you are a natural bore.
Neal where are all these people that agree with you? And what do you know about my nuts, did your club tell you or did Cossell write about them and you naturally agreed?
Prime Axel,
Your football knowledge is next to nothing, you have to be loud and obnoxious, because you have to overcompensate for having a small bat and tiny balls, duh that was easy.
@MontanaMan
Pretty easy to see how much Neal pays attention to whats going on….he can’t delve into meaningful dialogue about anything, he has to start dropping the slurs and name calling….wanna stump him? Ask him a question that requires some thought and an intelligent response…..like when pigs fly….not gonna happen.
Neal
Look up who a skinhead is, then you’ll find the term fitting for who I called KKK. Hating women, hating foreigners, md said those things. Those things are said by skinheads. Not good people.
Anybody who calls somebody racist because they like JS/AS, two white guys…skinhead is too kind of a term to describe them.
I think its a, frankly, dumb statement by Cosell. Teams have been having trouble throwing against Arizona all year and the 49ers succeeded because of a good gameplan that took advantage of the Cardinal’s corners apparent inability to tackle. Alex also has the 6th highest Air YPA, and is towards the bottom of the league in % of passing yards that come from YAC. Just because the 49ers took advantage of this matchup this week doesn’t mean they rely on it anymore than they rely on downfield passing as someone would come away believing after the Bills game.
I agree. Dumb comment by Cosell. They don’t rely on the short passing game any more than any other team. In fact, probably less as they run more than most teams. They used it in this game, sure, and why not? They killed zona with it.
good comment
I sometimes question whether anyone on this board is old enough to remember the niners in the 80′s. Lots of Smith defenders say the WCO is all about short passes- but there were a lot of 20-30 yard pass plays. Sure the 49ers bucked the trend of throwing 50 or 60 yard passes- but the 10-30 yard passes were bread and butter.
Montana threw over 300 yards regularly.
Also if anyone remembers- Montana and Young were in QB controversies in 87 and 88- and young played in games regularly. Walsh didn’t care if things got uncomfortable- and there were news articles back in the day about it.
But now everyone gets offended that fans think Kaepernick is better. It is bizarre how little kaepernick is being used- and the worst thing is that Kaepernick is only going to have those legs for a few years (ala mike vick in his early 20′s) The niners are wasting the prime years of the running game that Kaep could bring.
Big Suede please define “regularly. Joe Montana played in 192 regular season games and threw for 300 or more yards 39 times or 20.3% of the time.
And Alex Smith has thrown over 300 twice in his career??
And Montana was playing when defenses actually defended. There is no doubt in my mind that those teams could probably come close to 400 yard games if they had the benefit of todays rules.
Are defenses just pretending to defend nowadays?
OK Prime- i can’t even have a conversation if you dont understand how the game of football has changed in the last 10 years
Big Suede who asked you to have a conversation? You think defenses were better back in the 80′s then today when the players are bigger, faster, stronger and harder to defend? And you also think QB tandems work in today’s NFL? Your right we can’t talk football. Your still stuck in 1980.
The rules have changed to benefit offenses, pretty common knowledge.
If we were 2-6 and not getting any offensive production then bring in Kap. Walsh only played Young if Montana was hurt. When it was Youngs time, Walsh knew it and traded away Joe.
Pretty sure JH knows best of when to insert Kap. Experimenting with Kap was good for one game, after that, well a disaster. Since then, the offense seems to be finding their grove.
It was never a disaster- the problem is that they never gave Kaep a series to get HIM in the rythym.
And there was NO reason that kaep couldnt get time in the last game in the last 8 minutes.
Why didn’t it happen- because JH is worried about media coverage and doesn’t want to lose Alex Smith’s confidence. I really think JH identifies with Smith personally and it fogs up his view of who is better.
Roman likes Kaep better- the playcalling and his interviews have proved it.
Seifert and Policy traded away Montana, not Walsh. And Montana wasn’t injured in that ’87 playoff game against the Vikings when Walsh replaced him with Young in the second half.
Walsh took every opportunity he could to give Montana a game off and start Young in ’87 and ’88.
Jack- you are speaking truth. Montana was inconsistent at times- and sometimes watching him- he didnt see to really focus on playing until the 4th quarter.
Young played around 10 games every season as a backup- and it wasn’t blowouts and injuries.
Kaep should be playing just as much. He should get at least 100 pass attempts during the season. There is no reason for him not to.
Roman likes Kap better? Here we go with the mind reading again. What is it with you guys and claiming to know what the coaches actually are thinking?
Kap was good for one game. When teams like the Giants prepared for him, he was a non factor. This whole notion of hurting Alexs confidence is exactly what JH said it was, jive turkey gobble gobble? Or is Harbaugh meaning something else? Please also tell me my fortune?
We know what we have in Smith,, but it is time to play Kaep on a few series here and there, maybe if we get down by a couple of TD’s, put in Kaep, because that is not AS thang.
Jack is correct – Walsh used Young often during the 88-89 seasons. Both Walsh and Montana have said it was a motivational tactic.
Instead of collapsing into a puddle of interception throwing goo, Montana won two Super Bowls. The tactic seemed to work. Champions thrive when challenged, others need to have constant reassurance.
I am surprised that Josh Johnston has not been picked up, he got to be better than the Arizonia QB’s.
Joshua Johnson (born May 15, 1986) is an American football quarterback who plays for the Sacramento Mountain Lions of the United Football League
Dunno Neal – something must be going on that fans don’t see. Josh’ footwork looked fantastic in pre-season but we never saw much of his decision making or ability to learn the playbook. But yeah – he can’t be worse than Skelton, can he?
The UFL folded a few weeks back so Josh is on the street now.
@msclemons,
I never knew that the UFL folded, their got to be something going on,he surely can be on the practice squad.
Neal of course you didn’t know the UFL folded, no one told you from the jive turkey club so how could you agree? In fact you don’t know shinola!
Neal,
Johnson is not eligible for any team’s practice squad.
Now nod your head Neal and say “yes Daddy Jack”
oh yea that is right because he played last year on Tampa. Ofcourse Prime slime has put his tiny tiny balls into everything,
>>The UFL folded a few weeks back so Josh is on the street now.
Wow. Smith, the coach killler. Johnson, the league killer.
One makes about as much sense as the other.
Ribico, I don’t believe I’ve called Alex a coach killer. In fact, I mistakenly gave him credit for a coach being hired.
Of course, that was Singletary so “credit” may be a poor vocabulary choice.
AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!!!!!
You were born in 1997, weren’t you?
AAAAAAAAAAAAAAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHHA! Joe asked for a trade after the full-blown QB controversy erupted, you moron. For doG’s sake, if you’re going to make a statement, at least make sure you have your facts straight. You’re so far from the truth on this one, you’ve just burned another deficit into your already negative credibility rating. Stop slurping and start thinking. JFC…
Suede,
Pay no attention to Prime. Not only is he an exposed double poster, he will often have his two names converse with each other.
Bitterness is so evident in you Jack.
Suede,
A double posting bet loser hypocrite that can’t keep his word, doesn’t even deserve a place on this blog. Prime is a complete immature idiot and he has 4 screen names. He’s a real loser. Don’t have to worry about me responding to anything he posts. The Man is dense. He still doesn’t know how to use the words your/ you’re.
Bwahahahahahahaha!
Stack the box in 2 weeks 23welcher. Then you can do what you do best, cry, cry cry. Congratulations on being nominated for President of the Jive Turkey Gobble Gobble Club. You earned it!
Buwhahahahahahah!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Bitterness? No. I have nothing but empathy for someone whose life is so meaningless that they have to have to make up a second screen name after losing a bet, and then carry on conversations between their 2 identities.
Jack,
Prime Slime, must have imaginary friends, he got to be very lonely.
Welcome back the blog, Jordo. All cried out now?
Ribico,
Hello little red headed stepchild. I’m great. No crying from me son.
OK, good to hear Jordo. You’ve been quiet this week. The board was wondering:
a. if you might have been too embarrassed to show your face after your latest prediction pratfall.
or
b. if you finally made good on your losing bet and had departed forever.
Cosell continues to show how biased he is. First, he doesn’t take into account that mainly consists of short and intermediate passes. Second, he doesn’t consider that in said offense the WRs usually do account for the extra yards. Third, he isn’t even taking into account what the offensive gameplan is each week. Fourth, he’s obsessed about long passes as if that determines who’s going to win a game or not. Fifth (and this is the biggest one IMO), he doesn’t even mention Smith’s improved decision-making against the Cardinals after two weeks of poor play by him. Steve Young pointed out his improvement here by talking about how Smith went to his third read on the Randy Moss touchdown after seeing his first two reads, Crabtree and Davis, were covered. Until Cosell starts to to consider everything and not his biased opinionated view, I can’t anything positive about his ramblings.
….that the West Coast offense mainly consists….
Sorry MWN, but the 49ers don’t really play a West Coast Offense. They play a power run offense with some WCO terminology. It’s more like the Michigan Coast Offense.
The correct terminology is a West Coast offense that focuses on the run.
You are so correct. I hear Cosell was hired by NFL Films over 30 years ago, watched coaches film of every NFL game so he could develop a sterling reputation which has allowed him to become one of the most respected expert analysts in the NFL just so one day he could maliciously trash Alex Smith with unfounded/bias analysis. The rumor is that after hearing of Alex Smith’s birth in 1984 Cosell helped found the show NFL Matchup so he could one day have a forum for multiple NFL Analysts to bash Smith in an unfair and untrue manner just in hopes of creating fan hatred toward Smith.
Thanks MWN for bringing this bias to light. I had no idea Cosell was so evil.
I’m detecting a hint of sarcasm there Houston.
@ 55,
I have yet called insulted you, but you just don’t know the history of the game, last time I checked every Super Bowl team QB since 2004 has been elite. Do you understand that? You got Eli, Peyton, Brady, Brees, Big Ben, they are all elite and going to the Hall of fame. Yea Tampa won, so I guess Brad Johnson is like our AS, but the odds of a average QB with flaws to win are not as likely as a ELITE QB.
>>The rumor is that after hearing of Alex Smith’s birth in 1984 Cosell helped found the show NFL Matchup so he could one day have a forum for multiple NFL Analysts to bash Smith in an unfair and untrue manner just in hopes of creating fan hatred toward Smith.
Sounds like the theory around here that some of us, who have been 49er fans since before Alex was born, are only fans of him and not the team.
You may be on to something there, Tex.
@Neal
I don’t know the history of the game??? I was going to 49er games before you were a warm spot in your Daddies groin…..think again Neal…
Going 55 and understanding and comprehending are all different things. I made a valid point with elite QB’s and Super Bowl winners, but whatever, I have moved on.
@Neal
The only thing you comprehend about football is what you read that others post here….outside of that your knowledge is nul and void
@55,
Why don’t you and the Mrs go out tomorrow for a early bird special, maybe see a matinee or play some shuffleboard, or perhaps some Bingo, but I know one thing I have not learned a darn thing from you, now Jordan, Jack, MidWest, Big P, those guys have football knowledge.You just take space.
MidWest,
Cosell is not biased toward Smith. He is actually spot on with his analysis. I am still trying to figure out what he said in this interview that has some folks such as yourself calling him out.
Smith going 18-19 shows that they were highly efficient, the majority of Smiths yards did come from run after the catch, Smith did not go downfield with the ball more than 20 yards, and for the most part Smith is a plant and throw quick read quarterback. Everyone wants to point to how he went from one side to the other on the TD to Moss, which he did, but that type of play from Smith is few and far between.
Jack,
The critique is that Cosell is stating that the 49ers can’t rely on the short passing game week in and week out. He’s suggesting that the 49ers do, in fact, rely on that style of offence (because of Smith’s “limitations”).
His comment, as Tkamb and I both pointed out earlier in this post, is “dumb”, because the 49ers don’t rely on the short passing game. Smith’s avg. distance the ball is in the air per pass is towards the top of the league, and their yac as % of passing yards is to the bottom.
The fact that they whupped up on Zona with it doesn’t mean that they rely on it every week…..
Smith had a efficient game, a great game, now other teams defenses won’t give the receivers the cushion they had, Crabs is the real deal and you got to throw the ball to him even if he is covered because he will go after it, although AS does not like to take risks.
Angus,
I too tend to disagree with Cosell on that opinion, but everything else from a critique standpoint is spot on.
This idea that his takes are off because he is biased against Smith is also as you and TKamb said, stupid.
I’m not sure how any person could watch a 9er game and say the 9ers don’t rely on the short passing game. Alex Smith has had one game where he attacked at the intermediate/deep level and that was the Bills game. Every other game Smith has been the check down king. Alex Smith is ranked #33 in the league out of 32 teams in % of passes > 15 yards. Even without that stat, just watching the games should tell any reasonable person that Smith simply doesn’t throw many passes over 10 yards. Cosell’s analysis is spot on.
http://wp.advancednflstats.com/playerstats.php?pos=QB
Here’s an important stat that is getting lost in this Smith talk. 6 wins 2 losses.
It’s about about the TEAM.
One about would have been sufficient.
@Sean…
I don’t know if you’re a SF Giants fan or not, but they were about the TEAM. No 30+ HR hitter, no 20 game winner on the pitching staff and the lowest HR production of any team in the majors, but they won the World Series….alot to be said for team play.
55Niner, I haven’t followed baseball since the Expos moved. It seems like having a good team gets lost in all the stat talk. Ultimately don’t we all want the team to win, regardless of stats?
From Sean: “Here’s an important stat that is getting lost in this Smith talk. 6 wins 2 losses.
It’s about about the TEAM.”
Tebow had a great record last year. I guess that means Tebow is a good quarterback?
The Giants have great pitching and they showed they are clutch, where does AS fit into that, other than he drove a car in the victory parade.
Nope, Tebow isn’t a good qb. They had a decent team though. My point is it’s about winning. Some want the stats, I prefer the team to win. Don’t care how it gets done. Seems to me that a Super Bowl win with Smith as qb would be bitter sweet for some.
Smith has also proven he can play qb in the NFL. Tebow can run that gimmick offense that works til there is film on it but can’t play qb. Just like the Dolphins and their wildcat.
Wins with Smith are great. Can the team win three in a row against playoff caliber teams with Smith? That’s what it takes to win a super bowl. So far the answer is an emphatic “no”.
The team would have better odds of winning with a better QB. The 49ers and Broncos went after Manning for the same reasons.
So are SF Giants fans complaining that certain guys didn’t have the stats they wanted throughout the regular season or are they happy with the championship?
Having a better qb doesn’t always equal a win. The bounties had a better qb than the Niners last year. The Patriots had a better qb than the Giants in the Super Bowl. The Steelers had the better qb than the Broncos. Better team is more important than better qb.
The odds never take into consideration playing really good football late in the season, injuries, and a teams ability to gel at the right moment.
So Denver got Manning, does that mean they have better “odds” to win the superbowl more so than the 49ers? I would argue no.
One key difference Sean – the SF Giants actually won a championship in spite of bad stats.
The 49ers’ offense choked in the championship game and has choked again against playoff level teams this year. It’s okay to have bad stats if you win. If you have bad stats and lose then you will be dissected.
@ Sean,
All of those QB’s you mentioned are all Super Bowl winners, are elite and all are going to the Hall of Fame.
Other than AS ofcourse.
So if you have not been to a superbowl and won it, you never can? How does one bcome an elite QB then?
I guess with that logic, only the Giants, Pats, Steelers, and Green Bay ever have a chance to win it all. Guess every other team should just mail it in after they make enough money from ticket sales.
Clemons, you writing this season off already because of Smith?
And winning a Super Bowl and eventually going to the HOF helped those guys how last year? Montana was arguably the best qb ever yet he didn’t win every game. If having the best qb was the deciding factor the Niners would’ve won every Super Bowl in the 80′s. Having a great qb helps but I think having a great team is more important.
Sam,
It helps as all of those teams are Super Bowl winners since 2004.
@Neal….
Are you that dense??? Alex has nothing to do with it….The point is that huge stats don’t necessarily make you a champion…..You just can’t wrap your brain around the premise of teamwork and team wins, can you?
I’m not writing the season off at all Sean. The Ravens managed to carry Dilfer to a super bowl and the Bears managed to carry Grossman. The 49ers’ D is certainly good enough to do the same.
However, the team has yet to show it can beat 3 playoff level teams in a row. It’s tough to do that with only the D and running game. The passing attack is the weak link on the team and in a passing league that’s not favorable.
Sean the haters will never look past the last 8 years.
In their deluded minds, Alex is done, never, can’t and won’t anything. It’s a conversation in futility. I mean after big wins, they find something to be critical of Smith or say the Niners won because of their defense, coaching or special teams.
It’s all just jive turkey gobble gobble like Coach said.
MSC
Tebow was 7-4 last year. If that qualifies as a great record then Alex smith at 19-5 should be in the Hall of fame by ur logic?
Its not a passing league, its a league that requires offenses to be balanced and have a good defense able to stop people in the playoffs. As we have seen the last few years, the running games of teams and defenses are essentially to winning in the playoffs.
55 Neal does not have a brain to wrap around anything. He just looks at the fantasy football numbers and decides who wins. He is a joke on here!
its obvious lemonhead is jealous of the attention 23welcher receive.
Or maybe its the election fever, and he wants to be president of the alex haters club.
How many alternate log-ins do you have Prime Messi Foley?
Are you that desperate for acceptance that you need imaginary friends to back you up?
Lemons is actually the easiest to debunk, because his comments lack the necessary thoughts or any common sense
for example
he is worried “the team has yet to show it can beat 3 playoff level teams in a row.”
last year the giant only beat one playoff team during the regular season (1-3) before going on a run in the playoffs.
as previously stated as a sympton of the haters…..when in doubt and cannot defend your comment cry out for the double poster fantasy to mask the lack of intelligence in the brain.
Giants have a two time Super Bowl winner QB, who is as clutch as anyone and is also in the top 3 or 4 best QB playing.
Your right MS,
Prime Axel foley Welcher has a new profile. Now messi who has no life.
You guys missed what I was saying, although that is partially my fault for not expounding enough. I’m not saying Cosell is biased towards Smith. What I meant by the biased remark is that he doesn’t take everything into consideration before making his point. He has an idea type of QB in mind and he doesn’t waver from that idea QB. But the problem is the system and situation doesn’t always call for that type of QB or that type of style. Cosell has failed to look past his idea QB and consider reasons why a QB plays the way he does. That’s being biased, to me at least anyways. It doesn’t matter who the QB is. Cosell needs to. a better job of taking everything into consideration. But again, that’s just my opinion.
While AS would of been sacked or he would of dumped it to a back, check this out play.
http://aol.sportingnews.com/ncaa-football/story/2012-11-03/michigan-vs-minnesota-score-result-devin-gardner-denard-robinson-quarterback-rec?icid=maing-grid7%7Cmaing5%7Cdl3%7Csec3_lnk2%26pLid%3D229680
Cosell is very much like some of the Smith haters on this blog. He has a pathalogical need to try and find something negative about Smith in every game regardless of the final score and Smith’s numbers.
It is a total reach to carp about the fact that none of Smith’s passes went over 10 yards in the air. The fact is, they did not need to. From the very first snap, it was obvious that the battle in the trenches was going to be won overwhelmingly by the Niners. With both lines dominating, it was clear that the only way the Niners could lose was by taking unnecessary chances leading to turnovers and keeping Arizona in the game. Last thing we wanted Alex to do was to start flinging low percentage deep balls.
Bottom line: A 6-2 record, stranglehold on the NFC west, and a very good chance to get at least the second seed in the playoffs. Good enough for me.
I doubt Cosell gives a crap one way or the other about Alex Smith. He just reports what he and his team see on film.
Rick,
I would understand your lament if Cosell was a young reporter looking to make some noise by playing the controversial card. But Cosell is a distinquished and respected sports jounalist with over 30 yrs experience and a boatload of awards to back up his assessments.
He has nothing to gain by being brutally honest about AS except the scorn from the AS damage control team.
BTW, there are many who give AS very high marks. So it comes down to who you wish to adhere too.
It would be fine if Cosell did that after taking everything into consideration AES, but he fails to do even that. Distinguished or not, there’s no excuse for not gathering all of the facts.
Midwest,
I wonder what Cosell has against Alex Smith. What is Cosells agenda? Why does he trash Alex Smith in your eyes. If he really had an issue with Smith, why would he ever give Smith any credit when he plays well? You are delusional if you think he has an axe to grind with Smith.
You Smithers are really something.
He is just another nobody trying to be a somebody. The story of your life President 23 jive turkey!
Point to where I said he has an agenda against Smith 23. I said he fails to take everything into consideration and that there’s no excuse for not gathering all of the facts. All you did was post sm unnecessarily dumb retort to my post. Try paying better attention next time 23.
Not that Cosell is wrong, but his agenda obvious. It is to be right. Duh.
It’s human nature. To the extent people would rather be right than to revel in the success of a player they formed an opinion on. Whether that be Alex/Crabtree or Monta or Beltran for Wheeler.
The truth of Alex and for that matter, Crabtree, lies somewhere in between, but people have already put their foot in the ground and people are inherently stubborn and full of themselves and are quick to blame. But I have to admit, the hypocrisy is entertaining.
This is ridiculous to think Cosell has an agenda against Smith to hate him so much.
Why? What does he gain to focus on one above average QB when there are 31 other teams in the league. He gave hims valid opinion and critique of Smith. We can agree or disagree but to say he’s saying negative things against Smith because he hates him is just stupid.
If you’re finding fault with 18/19 3TD’s against the same D that smoked TB in NE, get a grip on reality. He won the offensive player of the week. Please insult all prior players to receive the award along with all future players, or shut up.
You can call it anything you want. I call it a interesting opinion.
MidWestNiner says:
November 3, 2012 at 6:16 pm
It would be fine if Cosell did that after taking everything into consideration AES, but he fails to do even that. Distinguished or not, there’s no excuse for not gathering all of the facts.
Mid,
With all due respect, do you really believe that Cosell would be highly sought after in the sporting world if he did not gather facts?
Can you give a substantial reason why Cosell has an axe to grind against AS?
I for one, will be honest in saying that the INT AS threw near the endzone against Seattle was amaturish at best on many levels.
That doesn’t mean that I dislike AS or want him on the bench. It’s an honest assessment of a bad play on AS’ part.
I’m not the type that will sugercoat and make a positive comment on an obvious bad play. And I think that Cosell is built the same way.
He’s going to call it the way he see’s it, regardless of who agrees or not.
But as I mentioned to Rick, there are many writers and commentators who speak very highly of AS.
Perhaps Grant should seek them out to add a little more balance here.
AES,
I’ll take what SYoung stated on his KNBR show which is more positive and more point on from a guy that played the QB position. I’ll take his position on AS both positive and negative. There is 8 games left in the season. Good times.
AES won’t respond. He keeps whinning cosell is brutally honest but does not give any thing to back up the assesment instead AES is more focused on dismissing any support of Alex
What has S.Young said over the years about AS?
He just recently said on the Monday night pre-game show that F.Gore was the critical part of the offense.
Sometimes it’s what a person does not say that speaks volumes Hofe. Young’s opinion of the 49ers offense pecking order does not place AS on top.
But yes, S.Young has made some positive comments regarding AS as has many other commentators.
But when all is said and done, I have to trust my own eyes more than all the talkingheads (lol).
AES,
I don’t doubt that Cossell calls it as he sees it. Just because someone calls it as they see it, doesn’t make what they see accurate. All it means is that it’s their opinion, and nothing more.
Watching tape is something like two people listening to music. It’s the same music for both listeners, but they might hear something completely different, with both opinions equally true from each listener’s point of view.
Besides, how many times have time tested GM missed on a great player coming out of college? I’m sure every one of those GM’s watched plenty of tape prior to the draft. People, even very smart people, with lots of experience, can be wrong.
I’m not saying Cossell is always wrong, or even wrong in this case. I’m just pointing out that it’s possible.
Where did I say that Cosell had an axe to grind? I said he didn’t gather all of the facts which is true. That’s not good journalism, but unfortunately that kind of journalism is occurring more and more.
Mid,
I never said that you made the this comment . It was a question not an accusation. But if you took it as such, I apologize.
But the question has substance in my opinion. So I’ll word it differently. Why would a man with a decorated career put his distinguished reputation on the line by making errant and unfounded statements about players?
This makes absolutely no sense to me. Cosell is not a one man island who sits and watches every game to merely form an opinion. He has employee’s who work feverishly to obtain honest and balanced information that has been highly sought after by the NFL and fans alike.
Giving misinformed statements would be tantamount to commiting career suicide.
I’m sorry, but I don’t see him doing this.
I understand what you’re saying AES. It just seems to me at times that Cosell’s style of journalism is lacking at times in depth.
I kept reading to see what was the “not so good part.” I never found it so can you possibly clarify?
Unless I’m mistaken, Alex Smith was named Offensive Player of the Week for his performance against the Cards, based partly on record setting passing stats. That trumps anything Cosell or any other writer might say for me. I think you’d really have to strain to see the “not so good part”, Coffee!
by the ‘not-so-good’ he meant the parts about Alex not throwing down field a lot…. yawn. Thanks for that expert opinion cosell.
Also “that the majority of his yards came from run-after-catch.” Which is humorous considering that one of the constant criticisms of alex is that he does not give his receivers the opportunity to get yards after the catch… so its pretty much a lose-lose for Alex (except in the W-L column!)
Cossell is just calling it like he sees it..Why are some so offended by criticism of Alex? Alex is an average Qb with no pocket prescence and doesnt look to go deep..Mondays win was on the strength of the run game,defense and yac from moss and crabtree..you smith supporters are acting like he aired it out with 18-19 passing or somethin.lol.
I refuse to reply to a known double poster.
AES,
As well you shouldn’t. I certainly won’t. Prime axel slime onenimer foley is a big ZERO on this board.
Who you kidding? You are the biggest liar, welcher an unintelligent gobble gobble turkey ever! President of the club!
you said you’d quit this blog is Smith came back as qb this year. You are a dishonest welcher, which wouldn’t be so bad if you had anything of substance to add, but you don’t. Between you and Neal, and Prime (and others, but you 3 take the cake), the blog too often degenerates into juvenile name-calling.
Stop it.
And I refuse to reply to a poster who says one thing then flip flops his position conveniently every so often.
23 posts under lots of names.
Proof ?
You all say and use the exact same terminology.
BSillicious235576,
Your Xbox profile is hilarious. Why don’t you share that with the fellas in the blog? We all know what you are. You’re neither a man not a woman. You’re just pathetic. Faking as if you like football. You are clueless and disgusting!
Looks like DS hit a nerve, sounds like guilt to me 23 or should we say Neal?
Axel, Prime, Slime, Foley, Messa Butterball turkey lips Welcher. I just have one profile unlike your imaginary Smither family. Will all of you spend Thanksgiving together?
BS23
Why don’t you change your name to hater?
Oh, that’s right! You’re name is wuss boy.
Go wuss along someplace else wuss boy.
Funny how certain “Niner” fans forget Rice and JT were one of the main reasons if not THE reason YAC became an official stat, also that Walsh believed the 5 yd completion was just as good as a 5 yd run. One other fun-fact on check down passes… 1986-90, the years Craig and Rathman were in the same Niner backfield, they accounted for 30% of the total team completions during that stretch and I don’t remember them catching many if any 30-40 yd-ers from any Niner QB.
Smith may never become a Montana or Young but so far, in only a year and a half under JH and GR, he’s a whole lot better than just about every QB the ‘haters’ wanted to replace him with. Not too bad for a coach killing bust of a QB, especially since Harbaugh and Roman seem to still be held in fairly high regard by everybody except maybe Carroll and Scwartz . LOL
On the mark ’61….
Some fans chose to ‘yeah,but’ Alex Smith’s game against AZ, because of the YAC by Randy Moss and Michael Crabtree. Yet, some of those same ‘fans’ don’t hesitate to bring Joe Montana into the converstion about QB play.
Short memories on their part I’d say…..the bulk of yardage a QB gets statistical credit for come with the YAC. I guess, if one choses to, you can ‘yeah,but’ any QB with regard to yardage stats….or, you could do the intellligent thing and take the stats for what they are, and quit putting a twist on them to denegrate a players performance.
We all know that the 80′s and 90′s we had special QB’s, but even Jeff Garcia was a hell of a QB too. I always loved his game, and his huge heart to win.
Grant, were there NFL predictions this week? or are you on a bye week too?
The West Coast offense baby, have you young ones forgotten already!! This is how we made our mark!!!
I don’t get this Cosell loveathon. He’s just another blowhard with opinions.
>>I think that the majority of his yards came from run-after-catch.
He *thinks*? Good call there, captain obvious. And this is the film maven?
Why you give this guy 4 columns is beyond me, Grant.
Ribico
We all know that the majority of a QBs yards are RAC yards…the statement by GC is really irrellivant…..it seems to mean more when a QB throws the ball 40 yards in the air, and the RAC is 15 yards than when the throw is 15 yards and the RAC is 40……the Walsh Era 49er’s made a living out of big RAC yards.
55
23 or one of that gobble-goop group said that YAC doesn’t count for the QB. Only the distance the ball is thrown counts.
DS…
I don’t always agree with 23, but I find it hard to believe trhat he would actually think or say that. He does appear to be fairly knowledgable….Neal, on the other hand….. I can understand him blurting out something like that, and believing it to be true as well.
BSillivious342157,
You’re a lying sack of crap. You really are BS. Everyone here knows that you are the least knowledgeable poster on this blog. We understand. You don’t know very much at all about football. You’re just a lonely idiot!
BS23
Why don’t you tell us about how you’d leave the blog. Or how you won’t namecall. Or how you are a Niner fan. Or how you aren’t a racist/sexist pig.
Or was that your other name here? md/bay/Neal? Doesn’t matter because it is true.
Two things are really irritating me today:
1) I could be sleeping in but thanks to the time change I’m wide awake at 7 am.
2) No 49ers this week. Bye weeks can kiss my grits.
Usually the Better Half and I plan a getaway weekend for bye week. Its not much, but it gives her a one sunday break out of 21 in a row. We’re just chillin’ today though, gotta play the hand you’re dealt.
So I’ll just watch whatever and root for someone to get their ass kicked. Cheers!
We can always root for whatever team the Cowboys are playing.
Have a great day Brotha.
Get your batteries recharged for the second half of the season beginning next week bud.
I’m have football withdrawals without my 49ers.
Probably catch the NYG/Steelers game today.
I agree, M. Any Sunday the Niners aren’t playing is a waste of a Sunday! But hey, it’s still a good day to cheer for the Vikings, Packers, and my other favorite team, “Whoever is playing the Raiders”.
Hope our guys enjoy their well-earned bye!
You give this guy way too much credit Grant. Yes he’s extremely knowledgeable and has watched more film then any of us but he’s still just a nerd who’s never played sitting in a room watching TV. He doesn’t know what is going on inside of the coaches minds nor does he appreciate just how hard it is to do what he’s watching because he’s never done it himself. What you should really do is instead of just giving Cossel a pass and always assume he knows what he’s talking about is do a little fact checking. How often is he actually correct. He’s been spitting nothing but negativity towards Alex Smith and all we do is keep winning, maybe what he says needs to be taken with a little grain of salt.
What did he say here that you find negative Coffee?
So you have your own blog but your always on here? No life or just bored?
Neither. I enjoy reading Grant’s stuff and his comments section is much easier to talk/debate football on than mine.
Jack:
“I didn’t watch the tape and say, Oh my God, what an amazing passing performance by the 49ers!’ It was a lot of short, quick throws, which, by the way, is good coaching. That’s what Alex Smith is ”
There is no way to read that statement and not see the backhanded slap that it was intended to be. However it was really more of a comment about taking what this guy and others of his type for what they are, astronomers. They sit from afar and try to figure out what’s going on inside the heads of players that they are observing through a lens.
Sure Jack and don’t forget to add you love the drama
sticking your nose in everyone’s business!
“don’t forget to add you love the drama
sticking your nose in everyone’s business”
Pot, meet kettle.
Coffee,
But for the most part those throws are what Smith excels at. I just don’t see how that is a knock on Smith.
@prime – he is here because nobody takes his blog seriously.
Jack’s blog is a good read. I think it’s great that he has the passion to do something like that. It’s a lot more constructive then some douche bag ripping him for creating a fan blog.
Big P,
Prime Slime Axel Messi, now has at least 4 profiles that I know of, what a scum bag he is going after Jack. Jack knows more about Football in his pinkie than Prime Slime Axel Messi Welcher will ever know.
Sorry to disappoint you clowns but there are other people in the world who think Jack is hopeless and that Neal and the rest of the turkey club are clueless.
I just don’t get the point of ripping somebody for doing something fun, like a fan blog. Are they jealous? It should be fun.
Prime Axel Foley Slime Messi welcher
Your just insecure and jeolous because Jack has a blog that you could never do in a 1000 years, must be tough when you have such a small bat and tiny balls and have to make entire family of fake smither profiles to make you feel good. I actually feel sorry for you man, it is obvious that you are a very lonely sucker, that is why you have to have multiple profiles and imaginary friends.
If you don’t like the open forum find another to comment on Axel Time.
Jack i personally like your blog and i do not believe you ever say anything to disrespect Alex or any of the forty niner players.
I just think this is a very sensitive topic since Alex consistently being judged but thats all part of being a nfl QB! some of the statements about are completely unfair and some are right on! This topic will continue until Alex wins a superbowl or leaves the team.
Jack, I enjoy your blog. Grant (who is a tough grader) has endorsed you as well.
I happen to believe that this equates as the highest compliment because it’s coming from someone who has not made an issue by having you promote on his blog.
Remember that one person who feels that you have committed the ultimate sin by being honest about AS should be ignored at best.
Keep up the good work Jack!
That is the Million dollar question, does AS have a better chance of winning a Super Bowl or a better chance of moving on to a clipboard job.
Big P, Neal, Chicago 49er & AES,
I just wanted to say a quick thanks. One word that BigP mentioned, PASSION, best describes the reason for starting the blog. I have been a passionate 49er fan for as long as I can remember (about 33 years), and that love for football led to me particpating in the game at various levels and eventually coaching.
It is my passion for the game that I try to get to come through with each post on the blog. I try to get the information out through the eyes of a coach. I know that I am no Jim Harbaugh or Greg Roman, but still feel that I have a pretty good handle on what I am seeing while watching the coaches film each week.
I know that not everyone will enjoy or agree with what I have to see, but I won’t let that put a damper on my passion. Again, thanks to all of you who check out the blog, to Grant for his kind word and support, and Hofer and Ribico for helping get it started.
Jack,
Continue to excel at what you’re doing with your blog. Axel prime is jealous like a broken hearted jr high school female. He secretly wishes he could be you but he has too many profiles and screen names here to add another one. All he has is BS. He secretly is BS. A quadruple poster that messages himself daily. One sad dude. I per mantle ignore the clown.
I like your stuff Jack (except for the Precious to Montana comparison). Good insights and you have a writing style that is very descriptive, smooth and easy to read.
I admit to being jealous of your writing ability. I’ll probably steal your beer at some point.
Rams offensive coordinator Brian Schottenheimer and Jeff Fisher must be going caca in their pants trying to prepare for the Niner D.
Sam Bradford has played pretty well (except for Patriots blowout) but the Rams O-line is complete garbage, expect many sacks next Sunday.
Their speed/power running game with Daryl Richardson and Steven Jackson will be shut down and Bradford will be forced to throw 40+ passes.
Aldon is licking his chops!
Sean in Canada says:
November 4, 2012 at 10:37 am
Sean in Canada
So are SF Giants fans complaining that certain guys didn’t have the stats they wanted throughout the regular season or are they happy with the championship?
@Sean
A fact and a hypothetical don’t add up. The SFGiants won the World Series, the 49ers are playing towards a SB win which has yet to happen.
But in all honesty the SFGiants don’t have a player as polarizing as AS.
Can you think of one.
The closest player that received grief was B.Zito about two years ago. But after the huge contract and under performing fans had every right to express their displeasure.
AS is much better than his previous years in the league, but there are still areas (which I’ve already stated) that needs correcting.
Making an honest comment (IMO) is where the AS damage control team take umbrage.
This blog has the known extremist that have an accute dislike for AS and has those that have an accute love for him.
Now getting back to Cosell, I don’t believe he fits in any of these two categories. Cosell will call it like it is, and so will I.
I’m not here to appease the so-called AS haters or the lovers.
I’ll call it like I see it. Stats and numbers don’t mean a heck of a whole lot to me.
I guess I adhere to Justin Smith’ creed in that regard: “stats are for losers.”
@AES I’d say Zito was as polarizing as Smith. Zito shook off 6 years of ineptitude and played like a champ in the playoffs. Maybe Alex can do the same.
I’m certainly pulling for AS to do the same MSC.
True MSC.
But this is where baseball is different than football. Two years ago Zito was left off the post season lineup because he underachieved. The SFGiants could do this because we still had the best pitching staff in the Major Leagues.
At least Zito was once good, winning the Cy young and now he has a nice comeback.
I think his comments were right on. They were truthful and his opinion on going forward with this type of passing in right also IMO. Again. I’m starting to believe this is the most they can get from smith. Whether its good enough to win it all we will have to see. Multiple titles I don’t see. Like I stated before. They came out with a little bit of a different look in the first half. And it wasn’t as effective. I said they would go back to the same style they used last season. The wr aren’t goin to get big yards with the ball in the air. It’s going to have to be YAC. And like cossell said. You can’t count on that every game. This is who Alex smith is. A dink and dunk qb that manages the game. I thought with the speed the signed at wide out would force AS and GR to stretch the field more often than last season. Doesn’t look like it. BUT if Smith can hit 90% of the couple he does throw deep. That could be a huge boost for the offense. Make them count like Eli does.
Holy crap, what a play by Fitzgerald.
I happen to believe that we can win a SB with AS at QB.
Now, I need to add one caveat. AS may not be able to carry the team on his back like he did against the Saints.
Unless AS can show that he is able to carry the team on his back on a more consistent bases (Vikes/NYG), I will say that AS can win a SB if the defense/SPteams plays lights out in the big show. But AS turns out to be the star in the SB, I’ll be happy him. But when all the dust settles, it will evolve into the 49ers winning the SB.
In the larger scheme of things, a Super Bowl win is the ultimate goal, regardless of who comes forward as the star.
But *if AS
>>Cosell: The question is can you live like that in your pass game week to week?
No, because our pass game isn’t like from week to week. Some weeks we’ll have very little YAC. Other games we won’t be playing a top 7 defense and will rack up the yardage through long passes (see Buffalo). Other games we’ll have more rushing yardage. Other games our defense will provide the points. What’s in common in all of that, beside the “game manager” at QB? A .737 winning record through the last two seasons. Yes, we can live with that, smart guy.
Cosell, how about taking your brilliant critiques to teams like Carolina and Philadelphia, they have plenty of passes that travel 20 yards beyond the line of scrimmage – ask them if they can “live with their pass game week to week”. See what their answer will be.
ribico
Those teams will. Their QB’s, no.
Last year we all wanted AS to be like Cam. The “experts” here said Cam is clearly better. How come I don’t hear about him now?
Cause he makes bad decisions and turns it over and costs them games. Remember when everyone (gobble gobble club) was campaigning for Vick, Kolb, Hasselback, Palmer?
Good thing we leave the decision making up to the experts and don’t question their better judgment cause if it was up to them the Niners would have folded 2 years ago.
JH would do wonder with Cam.
Haters love to put up the hypotheticals nearly as much as their dream QBs put up the INTs.
And a spelling and grammar teacher would do wonders for you Fitzbob!
BS,
Ill trade 3 Alex Smiths for 1/2 a Cam Newton. Alex is a system fit on his last legs. INCONSISTENCY!!!!
BS23
You certainly know the taste of BS after all the time you spend on the floor licking up the feces of bulls. You like it.
Whoever BS is, he beats the S out of you. I like him.
“I like him.” Something you won’t hear about yourself BS23.
Perhaps my spelling and grammar not great, Axel, Prime, Slime, Foley, Messa Butterball turkey lips Welcher, however you might want to visit the wizard of Oz and ask for a heart, brain and courage.
Bsillicious236546,
So now you want to be a him? You’re not a he.
>>Ill trade 3 Alex Smiths for 1/2 a Cam Newton.
Jordo, right on schedule to prove my point.
1/2 a Cam Newton is 1 win after 8 games. I’m sure 23 would.
And 3 AS’s is worth 18 wins.
18 vs. 1.
Tough decision there.
Mmm… Fig Newton.
Wait, what?
Where is the jive turkey gobble gobble clown who said Joe Flacco was more than a game manager? Against a really bad Browns team, he did what he needed to do without throwing for 200 yards.
See fools, stats and passing yards mean zilch, it’s about wins!
And Aaron Rodgers, the best QB in the NFL only threw for 218 yards against the Cards. That has to be “game managing” by an elite QB.
Well one thing AR got is a Super Bowl ring and a MVP, we know AS will never get a MVP award, maybe a Super Bowl, if the defense, special teams plays great and the offense is adequate.
But if he wins a superbowl he will be an elite QB based on all your bsing today about all those other QB’s so you just countered your argument dumb a55!
AS will never be a elite QB, he has no chance for the Hall of Fame. Even if their is a miracle and he wins a Super Bowl. It is the team that won it.
You must be 23welcher cause you guys tend to make one arguement, then someone shows you different then you contradict yourself. It’s impossible talking football with you jive turkey clowns cause you never remember what you said and or do a complete 180 from the topic.
Go back to school, get an education and then comeback and talk football!
LMAO Axel, Prime, Slime, Foley, Messa Butterball turkey lips Welcher. Unlike you I just have one profile and if you need so, ask Grant. Looks like you have no point
I’d say Joe Flacco and Alex Smith are a good comparison. Different play styles but equal talents.
Of course, Flacco is only in his 4th year, not his 8th, and he’s been playing well since his 2nd year. He’s not quite the slow learner that Alex is.
Meanwhile, rookie Luck, on a new team, in a new system, on his 2nd coach in the same year just blew the doors off of the league. That’s the expectation of a #1 pick. Not “good enough” in his 8th year.
Because Flacco an Smith had similar upbringings comin into the NFL. But we won’t talk about that cause it’s an excuse and irrelevant right? Meanwhile Sam Bradford in STL is working on his 3rd OC in 3 years but thats a #1 draft pick who we won’t compare AS to either cause again that would be just another excuse and irrelevant comparison right?
How about Cam Newton getting some great offensive coaching? He is doing a great job for a #1 pick is he not?
Also the difference between Joe Flaco and Alex Smith, one is going to get a big contract, the other won’t as AS does not have much value or demand in the league, we saw that in the off-season. Also AS as you had said MSC, is a very slow learner and would take him 12 or 13 years in the same system for him to feel comfortable.
Luck and RG 3 are legitimate first round picks and are ahead of the curve already.
The keyword is going to get? If he was their guy they would have locked him up. Insted they are waiting to see how far he can get them in the playoffs. They had all offseason and this season to hammer out a deal, why has it not happened?
Cause you like your jive turkey club like to make bold predictions, premature dumbjaculation!
Where did I mention Bradford? You made the comparison between Smith and Flacco and I simply agreed.
Bradford is another failed pick like Alex. I’m guessing there are some Rams fans who make daily excuses for Sam. Maybe in his 8th season he’ll be decent.
The jury is still out on Cam – he has the physical talent but he hasn’t developed the mental part of the game. He’s playing far, far better in his second year than the Precious did but he still may end up as a bust if he can’t learn to read defenses better.
If Flaco, does not get a big contract from the Ravens, he will get it from another team. Flaco would be in more demand as a free agent than AS, who has no demand. Also Brees contract was very last minute, signed during the Summer. So don’t know your point Axel, Prime, Slime, Foley, Messa Butterball turkey lips Welcher.
The point is lemons, coaching and continuity play a factor in every single draft pick playing the QB position. If you disagree on that well have another on me.
Did you just Burp? Axel, Prime, Slime, Foley, Messa Butterball turkey lips Welcher
No Neal thats just the smell of your breath!
Throwing in the towel I see. Are you in a confused state, confusing your Smither imaginary friends.Axel, Prime, Slime, Foley, Messa Butterball turkey lips Welcher
God,
I throw up in my mouth a little every time I read Primecraps posts, Axcel and whoever else he is. And any of you that side with him just because you find yourselves on the same side cheering for the same player are PATHETIC.
Prime is trying to down play Aaron Rogers stating that his 218 yards were not elite.
Let me give you a brief overview of Rogers and Smith. Rogers is an elite QB that can have a set back occasionally. Smith is an an average QB that can occasionally have a good game. Probably tasted four great games in 8 years.
This year Rogers is
2383 yards and 25 TD’s
Smith is
1659 yards and 12 TD’s
Cream always rises to the top. Smith has improved but for those of you that want to magnify his accomplishments, go right ahead. Ever ask yourselves why you have to try so hard?
Even Payton Manning without elite weapons is lighting the world on fire again. Weak arm and all. Why? Because he is what he’s always been . a Winner, a champion. Smith while better is still vanilla.
If Smith were a playmaker, if Smith were consistent, exciting, then he would be able to sell jerseys in his own stadium. But he can’t. And he doesn’t. His own people don’t get excited enough about to to buy and sport his jersey. That speaks volumes.
But at least Smith will always have one thing. BS, Oneniner and Primetrash/welcher in his corner fighting the fight for him.
if Smith were consistent, exciting, then he would be able to sell jerseys in his own stadium
And that’s what really matters.
Dont forget the big arm QB that can throw for 300+ yards every Sunday. Don’t worry about wins or loses, its the fantasy football numbers that Bay is interested in.
NO FDM,
it’s being consistently good enough at your job that your coaches don’t take you out and insert the backup to run a wild cat in attempt to help your team score more than a field goal.
The truth is ALWAYS somewhere in the middle. While Ia m not looking for a fantasy football god that throws for 300 every week, I also don’t want the meek and mild that only has 2 three hundred yard games in an eight year career. And that averages about 210.
Which has resulted in a very good win accumalation which when is all said and done, helps him keep his job.
@ FDM:
Apparently, on some planets, NFL wins and losses aren’t determined by points, but by by passing yardage.
*but by passing yardage
Bay, your comment is so dumb.
Rodgers (not Rogers…) plays on a team that can’t run the ball to save its life. Smith plays on a team with a kick-ass dominant running game. Of course Rodgers is going to have better numbers. My 10 year old understands that.
Go cheer for the Raiders if you want to watch a QB throw it 62 times because they can’t run the ball and get scored on at will.
As far as trying hard to magnify Smith’s accomlishments…..what? He played poorly on the worst offence in the league for 6 years. Since then, he’s played very well. End of story. He’s not asked to throw it much, because of their awesome running game and defence, but when he does throw it, he’s right up there with the best of them. (see YPA, comp %, TD:int ratio). Those 3 stats (let alone winning %)give a better indication of how he’s doing than comparing absolute yardage. Again, my 10 year old knows that. Why don’t you?
For those of us that want these asinine conversations to stop we have to be the ones to take control. The fastest way for Alex Smith arguments to end is to simply stop responding to anyone that starts one. When someone spits hate don’t respond and it will END right there.
You just have to remember these are children that are acting out because they aren’t being given what they want, haters are simply throwing tantrums because they want things to change but have no control over it and act out accordingly. By 7 year old does the same thing.
All this angst. In the end, it doesn’t matter one bit what Cossell says or doesn’t say.
Does. Not. Matter.