SANTA CLARA – Here’s what Greg Roman said at his Saturday press conference about Colin Kaepernick.
ME: How would you grade Colin Kaepernick’s performance against the Rams? Are there any plays you’d like to have back, and if so, which ones?
ROMAN: I’m not going to get into which ones. I thought he did a very good job of coming into the game and moving the team. There were definitely some plays in there that he could have played better on – he knows it. And there were some really good plays that he made off the cuff that you can’t coach. He did a good job. I thought he was very poised. He was very prepared mentally and emotionally. I think there were a couple of plays here and there that we could do a little better. But that’s not just Kaep, that’s everybody.
ME: How much more do you need to see from him before you make him your starter?
ROMAN: That’s really not a relevant question. Kaep’s a guy that’s improving all the time. Really like his mindset. He’s always one play away from being the starter, and as far as I was concerned, when he was in the game playing, he was the starter. Now, how that moves forward when Alex comes back – Alex is our starter, and Kaep’s ready to come in at any time.
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Grant, I like the fact you asked him the question regarding when CK starts! Before that question you should have asked, when are you going to attack a defense with your passing scheme the same aggressive way that you do with your weekly run scheme?!!
That was a great question wasn’t it Hofer? Grant is the man!
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That was a dumb question. It implies there was a discussion that ck would be a starter. From everything we have seen its very possible ck will never be a starter on this team.
One clear evidence of this is ck decreased playing time after we lost that game. If ck was being groomed to be the starter then the coaches won’t be worried about alex getting in rythm or even consider playing alex against the bears after a serious concussion.
Yes he is the man of irrelevant questions!
Tinsel
Do you have an agenda or reading comprehension issues? That was a good question and honest reply by Roman. If you don’t agree with the coaching staff, tough luck.
Hofer, as long as Smith is your QB, the answer is NEVER.
Hofer
Roman is on record as saying he tries maximizing his players strengths and minimizing their weaknesses. With AS at QB, I don’t expect an attacking style, because that doesn’t match AS’s strengths.
Nick,
Did you see the piece from Tim Kawakami about Smith/Kaepernick this week? Some interesting details in there.
Jack,
No I didn’t but will check it out. Do you have the link by any chance?
I could nor find the column.
Here you go. Tried to paste it twice, maybe the third time is the charm.
http://blogs.mercurynews.com/kawakami/2012/11/14/49ers-when-caution-over-alex-smiths-health-and-curiosity-to-see-what-kaepernick-can-do-come-together/
CK already has 5 sacks and 3 fumbles in limited play.
Some other running QBs:
RG 3
8tds passing
3 INts
8 fumbles (2 lost)
CN
8tds
10 ints
9 fumbles
3 lost
I won’t even mention MVick or previous running QBs and their turnovers.
TK currently has his doubts and so do I. It was a good objective read.
” How much more do you need to see from him before you make him your starter?”
I know it’s hard to come up with questions but what kind of answer were you expecting to get from that question? Knowing full well he wasn’t going to imply a specific timetable before replacing Alex if one even exists what kind of answer did you hope to get?
Did you think he might suggest he needs to see X amount of time or quarters or snaps? Were you hoping he might say “as soon as possible?” I’m not bashing the question I’m just not understanding how you expected him to answer?
Coffee,
I think that what Grant wanted to know is, what else does he need to see Kaepernick do before he thinks he is ready to start.
That is precisely what I wanted to know. Thanks, Jack.
A hater with his alleged superpowers thinking he can read minds.
Grant your a tool sometimes!
“what else does he need to see Kaepernick do before he thinks he is ready to start.”
Learn to play from the pocket is a good start!
Hof
I’d settle for taking snaps cleanly and not treating the ball like a hot potato. Things I knew in grade-school.
“I think that what Grant wanted to know is, what else does he need to see Kaepernick do before he thinks he is ready to start.”
Thanks Jack but I didn’t explain myself very well. What point were you planning on making about his answer? He essentially said that he believes that Kaepernick is ready now when he said “…as far as I was concerned, when he was in the game playing, he was the starter. Now, how that moves forward when Alex comes back – Alex is our starter, and Kaep’s ready to come in at any time.” So he just said “I think he’s ready to start now.” If you could follow up with another question what would you ask, or what point were you trying to make from asking that question?
“What point were you planning on making about his answer? ”
This wasn’t directed at you Jack, I was starting my point and directing that question at Grant.
Coffee,
So he just said “I think he’s ready to start now.”
Wow, I didn’t interpret it that way at all when reading the answer. Interesting.
…as far as I was concerned, when he was in the game playing, he was the starter. Now, how that moves forward when Alex comes back – Alex is our starter, and Kaep’s ready to come in at any time.
My interpretation: The term starter is relative, like everything else. Kaepernick IS the #2 QB and if/when Alex cant play then purely by default Kaepernick is ready to start because…what other choice is there.
I guess part of that answer is, if they didn’t think he could start someone else would be the #2 QB.
There go Hofer and DS taking shots at CK. Don’t worry much – AS’s days are numbered as the starting Niner QB.
Nick
CK is a backup player for a position where the starter is kicking ass the past 2 years in the thing that matters most: Directing (managing) the game to wins.
If you think you are somehow “fair” please express the same love for Larry Grant, Kilgore, Ian Williams, etc.
As somebody who can care less for the college game and has no loyalty to any college team/player it is simple. You’re a Niner, I like you. But no chance am I hyping you up to replace 19-5 ASAP. You need to prove you’re better. And CK hasn’t done jack (not hammer) to prove he is. Till he does, he gets no more love from me than any other backup player.
DS,
Your comparisons are make no sense but that is no shock, Patrick Willis is a Pro-Bowl player and future Hall of Famer and the top 2 or 3 at his position. Now AS has never been to a pro-bowl and will never be in the Hall of Fame and is not the top 2 or 3 at his position. The only thing AS and Larry Grant have in common, is that no other GM in the NFL wanted them as free agents. No demand.
Nick
Read my post again. I also brought up other backup players. Your point is nill.
And CK went thru the whole first round. So nobody wanted him. See how that works? And CK isn’t getting a lot rumor of trade him to us (another team) for all these picks either.
DS,
Why would they trade C?, JH and GR believes in him and would not have wasted a second round pick. Plus you have a ordinary QB , who has a concussion and may or may not start tomorrow.
CK
I think they would trade Colin K because if the return could lend the team an opportuntity to move up in the top 10 maybe top 5 in the draft and draft a successor to Justin Smith that would be great.
There will be many teams looking for an upgrade at QB. The Chiefs, Jaguars, Bills, Jets, Cardinals, Eagles. All teams that might be in that top 10 of the draft.
Don’t see them trading CK, first thing they have a ton of draft picks next season, they don’t even use their players that they have drafted this year. I do agree that they need to improve their defensive line and Justin Smith is showing his age.
Sam you are new here. According to some Niner fans CK 7 has arrived and is the future. This is all based on exhibition play against 4th stringers, a couple wild cat plays and 3 quarters against a Rams team where he failed to deliver a win with so many opportunities.
Neal
I only brought up the CK trade idea because the AS not getting a lot of bites during FA idea was brought up. And there were rumors of trading him to Miami pre-draft. I didn’t believe them.
And nobody is giving anything for CK that makes him worthwhile for us to part. He’s at best getting a 5th round pick. He’s shown very little so far. He hasn’t displayed any real improvement in the things scouts wondered about pre-draft, and this with the HC who has turned AS into a career winning QB. So, there is no bad coachimg excuse here. The longer he goes withoput displaying WOW factor, the lower his trade value gets.
Trading players in football is exceptionally rare anyway. Regardless of who that player is. And if they do trade, it is almost always a low round pick (Hill, that Safety kid from USC) who were 6, 7th round pick trades. It is rare to get a 1st round pick (Joe Montana) via trade. And that is because JM is the best QB in history. And he only got one 1st. Not 3 or 4.
DS they are not trading CK this year or next year. They will keep both on board in 2013 as well. We’ll know what the situation is in 2014 regarding the QBs. Stay tuned…
DS,
I agree with some of the things you said, but you are very critical of CK, he has had a very limited sample size of playing, and both Roman and Harbaugh are high on him, with their recent comments. It is time that AS needs to be playing more consistent because special teams and the defense has been in decline since last year.
Neal
Ok then. You and every regular know how I like Tolzein. There is only one other regular here who has written posts similar to mine regarding him. I think among all 3 QB’s ST is most like JM. I just get a feeling watching the guy that he gets it more than CK. More than AS even.
But in no way am I interested in getting him in there instead of AS. I’m sticking with the 19-5 guy. If this whole discussion were about ST replacing AS (say ST played the game for just the moment) I am here writing the same thing.
I defended my team thru a decade of losing. I am not interested in replacing the guy who is 19-5 now. Winning is hard. You make changes to something that is hard to acccomplish, you’ll likely not be as good.
Replace CK with ST, I’m writing the same. Remember I don’t care what any player did in college. I’m looking at them all as a neutral observer. I don’t even know nor care which City AS’s college was in. I’m grading him, CK from what I see here. I never saw CK, AS, ST play in college. I’m grading them from how each has played. And if none of the 3 were ever here, I’d not care at all.
If it is CK or Tolzien, it will not matter. Harbaugh will make the change, it might be sooner then later.
Neal do you believe CK can do better than other running QBs such as CN or RG3?
You don’t know that Neal so spare us the wish. Write a letter to Santa asking for that. But for you to say Harbaugh is gonna make a change sooner rather than later, that’s just a lie. Why do you guys always pretend you know what the coaches are gonna do?
Hof,
I can’t tell you 100% for sure that CK is going to be better than Cam Newton or RG3, if CN was playing under Harbaugh, he would be making less mistakes and be a better QB, look what he did with Smith, made him from crappy to efficient although he is very inconsistent and has played 4 bad games, Carolina Panter’s coaching staff is pretty much incompetent. RG3 under Shanahan should be a top 5 QB in the game. Luck will be the best along with AR. CK is not competing against those QB’s, just Alex Smith, which will be easier to compete with.
Also I said “might make a move sooner then later” NOT WILL.
Neal,
You just proved my point. You don’t know that CK will be better than RG3 or CN but you do know he will be better than AS??!!! Correct?
The running starting QBs are leading the league in combined INTs and fumbles (total not lost).
That take is solid Neal.
Hof,
AS was a fumbling machine for the first several years, how many times did he fumble the ball under center, CK with experience can do the same thing.
Thanks Jack, hard to predict the future, AS can start tomorrow and be great or he can suck, and the same with CK.
Neal,
AS rookie year he had 9 fumbles and a couple of years the next highest was 6. ARodgers had 8 fumbles in 2009 and his next highest was 6. AS has an excuse of different OCs every year. For example, MVick has had AReid as his HC for several years.
Neal
AS replaced Tim Rattay. Remember him?
CK would be replacing 19-5. Rattay led the Niners to the worse record in the NFL. AS led the Niners to 19-5. Kinda matters. Expectations are just a tad bit different.
Oh I see if you have 8 offensive coordinators that is a excuse that you can fumble more, kind of lame if you ask me.
Neal,
The best way to put it is that Smith was not very good prior to Harbaugh’s arrival, and look what how well Smith has played under his guidance.
That leads me to believe that when Harbaugh does name Kaepernick the starter, he will be better than both Newton and RGIII.
**at how well**
DS,
For someone who does not like stats you are pouring them down this blog and it makes no sense if you just look at the win and loses, and not evaulate each player, that will destroy the future. If the Niner’s win the Super Bowl, but their Qb fumbled or threw a interception at a crucial time or Carlos Rogers get burned 2 times for a TD, or David Akers misses two field goals but the Niners win because of other circumstances, you say ok let’s keep those players because we won the Super Bowl, it does not work like that.
Neal
Which post? Time?
W-L, and turnovers. That is the only stat I’ve discussed on the blog as meaningful. No difference here.
Jack,
I hope you are right, although Shanahan is a real QB guru, although I realize he had not won a Super Bowl without two Hall of fame QB’s. He could do the same with RG3, although I have only watched him a few times.
Neal,
Shanahan won Super Bowls with QB’s who were already playing at a Pro Bowl level.
How did it work out for him in Denver after Elway retired?
He is not in Harbaugh’s league.
DS,
Forget the stat comment and look at my main point. Anyway going watch some football.
“Carolina Panter’s coaching staff is pretty much incompetent.”
See what you did there Neal?
That is why I had to add the 9ers revolving door OC comment. You are the king of the double standard!!
Again Jack, what you are saying makes sense, Harbaugh got stuck with AS, and he is not going to win multiple Super Bowls with his current QB, like Shanahan did. I just watched the 94 Super Bowl and Shanahan although he had Young and company, his play calling was incredible, off the charts, maybe the best ever.
Hof,
What CN did with the Panters, AS could not do in a million years. Really talking to you Smithers and trying to persuade you and your love of AS, is like trying to convert a Born again Christian to a Jew,not going to happen.
DS94everXev says:
November 17, 2012 at 6:34 pm
Hof
I’d settle for taking snaps cleanly and not treating the ball like a hot potato. Things I knew in grade-school.
Lmao. Like you ever played sports. Let alone football. What’s sad is anybody reading your posts can tell you don’t know s*** about football. Except the scoop on players feelings. Lol yeah right you played sports
Neal,
Shanahan is a great play caller, I completely agree with you. It is the QB guru part that I disagree with.
Ok Jack,
Young and Elway might disagree, but yes he has been very unsuccesful since both have retired.
You’re right Neal. Those two probably would : )
Jack, Al Davis would agree with you, your in good company.
Great questions Grant.
Roman was diplomatic in his answer, which is to be expected.
He is in no position to install CK as a starter even if CK were to play lights out when given the opportunity.
Roman may help load the gun, but Harbaugh pulls the trigger.
CK could sure help make GR look good especially with GR’s deficiencies in the passing game and CK’s one look and run mentality.
Yeah Hof until teams allocate one guy to spy him and them what? He needs an entire offseason to develop. By that I mean the Niners declare him the starter before the first OTA’s so he can master the play book, build repoire with his WR’s and be confident for week one.
But in the meantime the fan base should support Alex until the Niners decide otherwise.
Unfair Hofe. Your remarks regarding CK have been subtlely pessimistic.
Your comments almost paints CK as a villain.
Anybody who reads this blogs knows that you don’t place much value on running type QB’.
But to label CK as a QB who only takes one read and than runs, is unfair and completely unfounded.
CK stood in the pocket against the Rams and ran on plays that were either designed for a run or when the pocket broke down. That should have been enough proof to expell the notion that CK is a run first QB.
In his early games CK was brought in for the sole purpose of running. These plays were not optional or allowed for CK to change the play at the line of scrimmage.
To say that CK has a one look and run mentality should at least be categorized as an opinion at this point.
A small sample size does not a label make.
AES,
I posted analysis from both CCasserly and MLombardi stating the same thing. I’d take their analysis before some that only look at film – selective one screen shot analysis!
AES
If CK wasn’t a Niner, pretty much nobody would care. He’s won the same number of games as you have in the NFL. He went in for a guy who was 19-5 and has just as many TD’s as EM with a LOT fewer attempts.
At this point, CK has displayed nothing I didn’t learn about him 2 seconds after drafting him. Throws deep, runs it, has problems going thru progressions and turns the ball over. Has problems under Center.
AS this whole time is top 3 at worse at 19-5. And after CK barely managed a tie against the team Grant said may not score, he’s seriously considering replacing AS with CK?
And that is ALL IN? YEAH RIGHT!
It’s better than one look and check down or fall down.
Jordo,
Thanks for your feedback. Based on your analysis, when is JJ going to take the #2 spot and then the starting role? I’m still waiting…
Hore the hypocrite. AES, you are exactly right. That is exactly how Kap played. Hofer makes it seem like Kap drops back and instantly takes off. If he hadn’t taken off on any of the times he ran, he would’ve been sacked just like Smith does. Kap played very well in that 2nd hold. He made some very good throws. A couple that Alex Smith can’t make. Like the one to Manningham.
Who’s your next QB flavor after CK 23? You’d die if Smith helps this team win the Super Bowl, which I believe he will this season.
Mid,
Any flavor of the month for 23!
His projections just never come true…how sad.
Midwest you’re begging. We will not win the Super Bowl with Smith. His inability to know how to slide. His ability to know how to accept a massive hit. He won’t even finish the season. He will get concussed again playing the way he does. In addition to that, teams are going after him now. He won’t finish the season.
Another prediction 23? Unlike you, I have faith in my team and all of its players, including Alex Smith. I predicted before the season that the Niners would defeat the Texans in the Super Bowl and there has yet to be anything to persuade me otherwise, especially not you and your biased towards one player.
The “one look and run” seems to be more productive than the “one look and find a place to fall down and take a sack” so far.
Stupidity runs rampamt on this blog and at times from Grant. The questions were uncalled for and if Grant feels that a change should be made he should ask to be on the staff and see what JH has to say about that. The person least qualified to grade a player is the one that writes for a paper or any media. It is conflict and ridicule that gets them noticed. Look at the way his father writes as an example. Where is the honest assesment necessary for any journalist? Why ask an unaswerable question?
+1
Grant
Questions like this don’t easily dismiss the notion that you agree with one side WAY too easily.
Where is the question about replacing PW with Grant then? Are you going to ask Fangio or JH about that? Have you ever played a team sport? Because this question leads me to thinking you haven’t. Or if you had, you really didn’t get the whole team concept I got playing them. 19-5 doesn’t give one thoughts about replacing the hardest position of all sport. Look at the starters from last year to this year, and there isn’t a lot of change. Think there is a reason for that?
Coach, are you still beating your wife? Same stuff…
Everyone is ready to bull rush these questions. Why? Grant asked a couple of questions that could project the up and coming, GR gave the answers required without showing the cards. How is this different from all the other media writers that get shut down by JH? Same difference, only ya’ll love to pounce on Grant, and that continually makes the same usual suspects sound like annoying children. If you don’t have anything relevant to say then shhhh.
Hoferfan67 says:
November 17, 2012 at 6:22 pm
AES,
I posted analysis from both CCasserly and MLombardi stating the same thing. I’d take their analysis before some that only look at film – selective one screen shot analysis!
@Hofe
Well, we all pick and choose whose analysis to accept as gospel around here. We quicky accept any analysis regarding CK, but dismiss any of Cosell’ analysis about AS. It’s safe to say that it is all pretty much a crapshoot when it comes to the talkingheads.
During the week Steve Young, John Madden, and Jeff Garcia weighed in on CK’ performance against the Rams. They all pointed at areas in CK’ game that needs refining, but were positive regarding CK’ future.
I’m simply stating that CK is far from a finished product. To begin to pin labels on him at this juncture of his young career is totally unfair and almost comes over as contempt towards him.
AES, CK has upside but he is a run first QB plain and simple. I’ll take analysis from two SB GM’s before anyone that just watches film.
Yeah, forget the Super Bowl winning QB and coach who gave positive reviews. They know nothing…
CK played very well against the Rams but he is not a pocket QB unless your one screen shot analysis proves otherwise.
How many un-used/seldom used NFL players is it not said that they have much upside? I mean if they don’t why are they there? They aren’t playing now, so…if they lacked an upside, they are there because….
That comment is as useful/telling as a comment describing how many arms and legs the average person has. Basically, nothing of any use.
Alex Smith- One read and fall down or get knocked down. Professional sack taker. Smith goes through his progressions? Yeah right, hilarious.
But not from a Super Bowl winning QB?
Your askewed perception of CK is showing Hofe.
Cool, it is what it is.
I know that this statement shakes the hornets nest, but the overriding majority of those that don’t have faith in CK are the AS supporters.
The one poster who I believe has been honest (brutally lol) concerning CK has been MSC. He’s made his thoughts on AS pretty clear. So for him to say that if CK is not the answer and the Org should look to the draft, comes over as pure and non-agenda honest.
CK is not a threat to AS because he has a long way to go as a pocket passer. But does not mean that he will not become a very successful and productive QB when given the chance.
It’s way to early to close the book on CK. And I would be the first person to say this to the Lombardi’ and Casserly’ of the world.
AES, I don’t understand your issue. CK is what he is right now. Can he be more with his upside? Possibly. I’m not stating anything that isn’t true currently. It doesn’t mean it stays fixed if he learns to play from the pocket.
Charley Casserly, the QB guru who drafted greats like Heath Shuler and David Carr?
Thanks Jack. There’s a screen shot with your unbiased name on it. Move along…
“I’ll take analysis from two SB GM’s before anyone that just watches film.”
But you ignore the 31 NFL GMs who didn’t want Smith? A few of them have won super bowls also.
Michael Lombardi? The guy the 49ers didn’t choose when they hired Trent Baalke?
Jack,
You tried to disparage CCasserly and now MLombardi. Both of them helped win SBs. Yup, you are objective!! LOL
Hey, at least Casserly did bring Brad Johnson to Washington.
Smith is the starter. Get over it already.
Mid,
Somehow they forgot that during the debate! LOL
“Smith is the starter. Get over it already.”
At the beginning of the year last season Chilo Rachel was the starter. I didn’t get over it.
CK will get his chance, it is not like he is going to replace a legend. Just a matter of time, LC has a good column out right now, that AS is on the crossroads.
Smith is playing well Msclemon. Rachal was just horrible. Big difference.
How many times has it been said that Smith is at a crossroads? That statement has no merit anymore.
Mid,
The beat down of AS is getting old. He deserves better.
Hofer,
No he doesn’t. Is that why you root for him? Because you feel sorry for him, or because you’re related to him? He deserves what he earns. Yeah, he’s average. He deserves average treatment. That what he gets on this blog. Some like him, some don’t. That’s average!
Hofe, Lombardi has been fired 5 times in the NFL, and was kicked off the practice field by then raider coach Art Shell because Lombardi had said some rather negative comments about the raiders. BTW, Lombardi was working for the raiders at the time. He also told the raider brass that Randy Moss was finished as a player and the raider traded RM to the Patriots where RM had a great season.
Hofe, if you want to accept Lombardi’ word as gospel that’s your perogative. But in my book he’s far from a reliable source.
AES, nothing is gospel. I’m just stating that I agree with their perspective. They have both added value and have been on SB orgs. What they have stated to date, currently, is not untrue. CK is a running QB that needs to learn how to play from the pocket. We’ll need to see if he can make it to the next level.
Cool Hofe. I’m restating that we can pick and choose whose analysis we embrace.
And Lombardi has to much baggage in his resume for me to take seriously.
I believe that the bottom-line regarding CK is that Harbaugh thought highly enough of him to make him a 49er.
If CK7 is good enough for Harbaugh, tat makes him good enough for me.
AES, it wasn’t just MLombardi and CCasserly. It was GCosell as well! Nobody said that CK isn’t good enough or isn’t good enough for JH. What I said is CK is not a pocket QB currently. He is very athletic and has upside. If he learns to play from the pocket, he will really be special. Lucky for him he has an offensive minded HC and he has the luxury to sit and learn.
*that
MidWestNiner says:
November 17, 2012 at 7:35 pm
Smith is the starter. Get over it already.
@MWN
My comments regarding CK, Casserly, and Lombardi had nothing to do with Alex Smith. I don’t know why you bring AS into a conversation.
Maybe my comment about shaking the hornets nest is coming to fruition.
I just posted that as a general statement to those who blast Smith despite his good play this season, want CK as the starter NOW, or are always choosing a new QB flavor. It was directed towards everybody who meet one of those statement.
All good MWN.
Hofe, you said that CK has a one look and run mentality. I refuted your claim by saying that this was not evident in the Rams game.
CK was discerning when he ran last Sunday. He did not look to have ‘a one look and run mentality’ is this game. In fact, CK held up quite well in the pocket against a somewhat good pass rush in the second half.
I’m sorry, but I did not see the ‘one look and run mentality’ that you allude too.
AES, it was validated by the three analysts I mention above. Why are you so protective? CK still has time to improve, but his game on Sunday wasn’t more than it was.
Not being protective Hofe. Just commenting that your perspective/labelling of CK was unfair.
To each his own.
AES, I respect your take but we disagree.
“One look and run” has to be better than “one look and take a sack”, right?
Evidently not or he would be starting every week. Not a relevant question at this juncture Clem.
So you admit to the “one look and take a sack” game play?
AES,
It’s called typecasting.
Good though Jack! Change your blog nae to “9er Typecasting” since that is your premise with your analysis.
*name*
Typecasting?
Didn’t Kramer (Seinfeld) make a big stink over this in one Seinfeld episode? Loved that one, lol.
Stanford has a chance to win against Oregon.
Stay tuned!
Let’s go Cardinal!!
Great game.
Normally I hate Stanford (I’m a Cal guy) but tonight I’m rooting for the idiot trees.
I despise the Oregon Nikes.
The only thing standing between Stanford and the Rose Bowl is beating UCLA. TWICE!!!
And the Ducks fall. Wow!
The only bad thing is that we might end up with another bad BCS title game because two teams from the SEC will be in it. Ugghh!
Good night all.
AS 217 attempts 24 sacks
CK 26 attempts 5 sacks
Philly
But CK’s sacks are so much more exciting! Like when he fumbles it.
There is a 5:1 ratio of sacks for AS:CK. The ratio of Attempts is closer to 9:1. So, CK takes nearly twice the sacks AS takes. Imagine if CK wasn’t such a great runner and all those sacks he avoided.
This is typical of running QB’s. They end up taking more sacks instead of throwing it away because they think the fat guys in the NFL are slow.
CK has a long way to go to seriously challenge 19-5.
Ridiculous sack ratio comparison weighing a QB that’s played 79 career games against someone who has only played 9.
Since we’re popping out stats here why don’t you look at Smith’s turnover rate for his career (FUMs and INTs)? Funny thing is that unless it is actually lost, fumbles aren’t recorded as a stat. So think about that when looking at Smith’s numbers….how many more did he fumble but didn’t lose?
Cmon’ man, hold your horses until the guy has a week of preparation as the starter and plays a complete game. At that point (Even though it’ll be one game) comparisons will be a little more fair.
Fumbles and fumbles lost are recorded as a stat just so you know.
Ridiculous is the notion you dump 19-5 for a guy who couldn’t take a snap cleanly from Center.
AS 4 fumbles 1 lost 5ints
CK 3 fumbles 1 lost 0 ints
Philly9er,
With all due respect, you are comparing apples and oranges here.
It is unfair to compare to CK’ fumble/loss percentage with AS’ because you are measuring CK’ career numbers to AS’ 2012 numbers.
Philly9er:
November 18, 2012 at 7:49 am
AS 4 fumbles 1 lost 5ints
CK 3 fumbles 1 lost 0 ints
A fair assessment would be to measure CK’ career vs. AS’ career, and AS’ career fumbles are 45 with 19 loss. Career INT’ are 63.
Over the last two seasons AS has been the most ball secure QB in the league, which is what a starting veteran QB should be.
CK is not a starting veteran QB. Measuring these two QB’ at this point is absolutely unfair. Again, apples and oranges.
It should be noted that the 1 lost fumble occurred on a play in which Kaepernick was not the QB.
Jack
There was only 1 lost fumble that whole game by both teams. On ST.
DS,
Kaepernick’s only lost fumble was against Buffalo when they lined him up at WR and handed the ball to him on a Jet Sweep.
His 2 fumbles against STL were recovered by the 49ers.
This is why I am worried about Colin K. Yes those fumbles were recovered, luckily, but if they were not, we lose that game and it is a whole other story on the future qb.
Jack, there you go being “Jack-objective” again!
CK this year has fumbled three times and lost one. He has thrown high and gotten lucky. This has to concern JH who is overly sensitive about turnovers.
All I am saying is that 1 fumble did not come while playing QB.
Ball security should be a point of emphasis with Kaepernick. He has a bad habit of carrying it like a loaf of bread.
That is why I’d like to see CK start. Like most running QBs, they tend to turnover the ball as I’ve stated many times here. CK with his limited play has 5 sacks and 3 fumbles. He has luckily been saved of interceptions even with many off target throws. Why not start him for a full game – the good and the bad.
The Cards are hangin tough against the Falcons. Im watching this game with a keen interest.
The Rams Jets game too.
We don’t discuss the 6 years of abject failure from Alex here. Those years are completely excused.
The only time that matters is after Harbaugh rescued the bust from the trash heap.
We also ignore the fact that Harbaugh immediately tried to replace the Precious after his first season.
Beat that dead horse lemons, beat it to you feel normal again!
msclemons.
Just a matter of time, we will be having a switching of the guard, it is not like CK is going to repace a future Hall of Famer. Tomorrow game will be interesting, if CK plays and plays great, perhaps Harbaugh will play him the following week, if CK plays not so great, that leaves for AS return, if AS returns and plays efficient, and the Niner’s win, then he saved himself for another game and maybe the season.
Boy Neal that is some rocket science engineering you got going on. You should work for NASA with your brilliant thinking!
I apologize Prime. I know that you and your imaginary friends dislike facts. It was rude of me to repeat facts here.
Don’t worry about lemons, I know you have other problems you are more concerned with, or should be concerned with.
The fact that winning and a 19-5 record means little to you and your friends, facts sometimes can get distorted. I feel your pain.
AES
So every veteran should be the most ball securing QB in the NFL? You understand how that makes no sense at all.
And comparing AS career numbers with CK’s is total BS. 8 years vs 2? JH as the HC vs. MN/MS?
You’re ALL IN is suffering big here.
JM took the job 1.5 years into the job. You want to compare, compare how CK looks vs JM after the same time in his system. For that matter AS and CK have been in the same system the same period of time. And AS is a superior QB to CK in every way that matters going off the data given.
except AS has been sharpened by iron that is the actual NFL game (booing hometown fans included) a process that is still going on and needs to end in the fruition of AS being that efficient ball distributor to his playmakers that can make thing happen as a result of their skills and after all that is what a football team is about….and it can’t be denied that this is in evidence and i like it
Steve Young was a running QB as well before he learned to play the game. CK can do the same thing under Harbaugh.
Neal,
SY had the luxury of learning from BW. He had to get the run out of the rabbit before he would start to be productive. SY has stated many times, running QBs need to play from the pocket.
Hof,
I know Harbaugh and Roman are not in the same level as Walsh and Holmgren or Shanahan but perhaps in time Harbaugh can reach that level, doubt Roman can.
JH and GR get credit for ALuck but I believe DShaw is the guy that helped him best with his passing game.
@Neal
Just so there’s no confusing my stance. I’m not advocating for AS to be displaced by CK (I don’t think that you’ve actually said I am).
I’ve only said that to compare an established QB to that of a second year backup is completely unfair.
My contention with Hofe last night was that I felt it unfair to label CK as a ‘one look and run’ QB. If we want to label/typecast QB’ this early in their career, then the word ‘bust’ could have arguably been the proper label for AS early in his career.
Point: It’s too early to judge and label a player with such a small sample to date.
CK is NOT ready as of NOW to take over as a full-time starter. AS still gives us the best chance at winning.
CK has great upside, but Harbaugh will need to chip away at some obvious flaws before we have a finished product.
My honest description of CK would be: “A work in progress.”
There’s no agenda or label/typecasting in phrase.
in *that phrase.
AES,
None of my responses were directed to you, unless your Andrew Luck, is anybody actually ready to be a NFL starter. CK will get better in time, with more games under his belt.
AES
I agree with everything you typed in both post. I believe CK has a lot of potential, but Alex gives the niners the best chance to win this year. The reason I used this year stats is to show that belief not to predict how CK will turn out.
Grant still doing his best to stir up the QB controversy. It looks like your “epic moment in 49ers history” will have to wait.
AS upside lies in how he distributes the ball to his multiple weapons and a couple of them elite….if JH/roman are thinking along those lines then as a fan i want to see that aspect succeed……and if bringing in a cavanugh or kemp to show the way a bit is OK by me…
in it is this way that i can accept either QB starting the next game …. i suspect the AS card gets played over the short term even if CK does the bear game because there is something to be said about being an expert in a offense roman and JH operated successfully….and i lean towards AS in this scenerio
now how is it that stanford just a year and a half removed from JH knock off arguably the #1 team in college…was it a power centric after shock