Jim Harbaugh will hold his Monday press conference at noon. I’m down here in Santa Clara, and I will fill you in on the details shortly.
Interesting. Both ESPN’s QBR and PFF QB ratings had high grades on Kaepernick yesterday:
According to @PFF, the #49ers Colin Kaepernick was the third best QB in the NFL yesterday with a PFF QB rating of 105.33.
There is a skewed aspect to the QBR where the botched pitch and fumble was viewed as an aborted play. They need to revisit the QBR for those types of plays especially when it leads to points for your opponent.
Just like AS high grades in passing completions, but the stats don’t show his lousy play in 4 games this season, his poor pocket presence, along with poor third down and red zone play. Got to love Kaep, even with the mistakes, I see the team is in good shape.
What is out of whack is there were no passing tds (or running for that matter) and the rating is over 100. This was suppose to be a better gauge? pfft.
Only four incompletions (not counting throw-aways and drops) in 32 attempts, nearly 50 percent on third downs, not to mention nearly 100 rushing yards.
6.5 ypa. I thought CK was suppose to fix GR’s play calling? LOL
Roman is the weakest link, besides Akers.
If the 9ers offense keep offering up points to their opponents D, that may not be true.
You criticize Roman when Smith plays, but not when Kaepernick plays. Roman has been lacking with both qbs.
Yes I did. But I never stated that CK would make GR’s offense better. You did.
CK has made Roman better. More points, yards per completion, third down conversions. Roman still has serious shortcomings. The Rams exposed them.
You might want to recheck that claim that the offense is scoring more points.
Never mind; you’re at the press conference. I’ll do it myself.
The 49ers’ offense has scored 60 points (30, 17, 13) in the 3 games Kaepernick has started for an average of 20 points/game.
I am almost certain that that average is lower than what the team averaged prior to Smith’s injury.
Claude – you’re dead on: According to ESPN’s stats, the SF offense is averaging 24.1 points over the 12 games overall. When you do the math, that works out to 25.5 points per game in games Smith started.
three of those games Kaep scored a TD when brought in because Smith can’t score in the Redzone. What say you to that? Take those points away and the average goes down.
I have one edit to your numbers. I believe that the 24.1 figure includes the 2 points scored by the defense in the Chicago game and the 14 points scored by the defense in the New Orleans game. If you factor out those 16 points (am I missing any other points scored by defenses or return team?), then the 49ers’ offense has scored 273 points in 12 games or 22.75 points per game.
If we take subtract the 60 points scored by the offense in the past 3 games and the 24 scored in the first Rams game, the offense scored 189 point in the first 8 games of the season, for an average of 23.63 points per game.
Thus, it looks like the offense is scoring 3.63 fewer points/game than it was prior to Smith’s injury.
Bay – I was going to say good point, until I reread your biased phrasing “because Smith can’t score in the Redzone.” You’d have a few more buying into what you’re saying if you can avoid the clear hate on Smith. Just because they brought in CK doesn’t mean that he “can’t”, in fact any of the other red zone TD’s AS has scored disprove that claim. CK was often brought in as a change of pace option, not because AS “can’t” do something. There are just some things CK does better (like escape pressure), just like there are some things AS does better (like protect the football).
>>three of those games Kaep scored a TD when brought in because Smith can’t score in the Redzone.
Then bring in CK as a running back. Depth at that position solved. But can he pick up the blitz?
I kid. Mostly.
>>The 49ers’ offense has scored 60 points (30, 17, 13) in the 3 games Kaepernick has started.
I’m not liking that tendline.
All arrows…. down?
Still here Huh? Wow.
Good point. Only Cutler and Rodgers had higher PFF QB ratings yesterday.
Kaepernick had 11 incompletions, but four were throw-aways and three were dropped.
If Delanie holds onto that touchdown or Akers makes his kick we are having a different conversation today about how Colin grinded out a tough game against a D hellbent on stopping him. After every “mistake” he bounced back with a big “wow” play. Good sign.
Mike, 4 minutes left in the game, all you have to do is not make a boneheaded play. What does he do? Gifts them 6. Bounce back plays are great but it should never have been close. This is not the time of year to work through growing pains. It’s too late in the season for this. You cannot ask any more from your defense. This is just wrong on so many levels and coach Harbaugh has screwed us!
Let’s agree to disagree then.
There were so many “what ifs?” in this game besides the DW drop and the Akers miss, that we could look at them all and second-guess the results like “What if?” Willis had not allowed the two-point conversion? or “What if?” Kaepernick had seen Moss wide-open in the endzone in the 4th Qtr and hit him for a TD? There was no single reason for this loss.
The play on which you say CK missed an open Moss is one that we have seen Smith run on a number of occasions, and everytime the throw went to the underneath receiver. It is the exact same play on which Delanie Walker scored the winning TD on against Detroit last year.
If you’re applauding Kaepernick being the 3rd best QB this week – for a loss and two egregious errors, why didn’t you ever applaud Smith for being THE top-rated QB in past weeks, his near record-setting 18 for 19 game, being the 5th best QB before losing his job, and the 1st in efficiency before losing his job? Should we start calling the response to this Colin-excuses?
I gave Kaepernick a C-. Not an applause.
Jack, it also looked like the same play we’ve seen with Crabtree. Is this one you’re going to take a look at on the all-22?
It really wasn’t a comparison to Smith, though. On the TV camera you can’t see a lot, just Kaepernick looking like he saw MM being covered by a LB and went that way with it while just getting a glimpse of Moss with nobody taking him into the endzone. It did come out pretty quick and looked like he was getting a little strongside pressure but he never looked Moss’s way. Still, it was a 3rd and 9 and it was a 7 yard pass. Is this on Roman, MM or Kaepernick?
I saw an 81.something for his rating yesterday on the post-game show. I hate to admit it, but I wonder how his QBR looked for yesterday…?
82.4 theres an anomaly and the missed pitch isn’t counted enough against his score.
Even PFF says that their qb rating doesn’t tell the whole story, gotta look at the grades to see how well he played. Also important that PFF actually said that the o-line played well, with only Iupati playing poorly as he gave up 1 hit and 3 hurries but that was almost half of the pressure given up by the o-line meaning Kaepernick had mostly a clean pocket to operate from in the game.
Boneheaded play was greg roman.. U dont call a play like that on ya own 17.
Bad call. Bad execution.
It is really unfair to lay this loss on Kaep- that botched pitch out was DANGEROUS and a poor play call.
That was the ONLY bad play Kaep made all game. I would argue that the safety was one of Kaeps best plays- his quick thinking should have led to a 2nd and 10 on the 17 after Gore did his turnstyle impersonation.
And Akers needs to go- the niners would be 10-2 with a good kicker.
It is unfair to lay the loss on Kaep, however he made several bad plays in addition to the toss play. Uh….for example, the running out of bounds with a minute and a half left (not a killer, but not smart), and the safety play. That was a bad play by Kaep, notwithstanding that the refs blew the call. It was close, close enough for the refs to get the call wrong.
I think I was overly critical with my initial assessment, but more importantly, I think he’ll play better and it’ll be a moot point.
Yup, gotta play better than the refs ref.
Boneheaded play? We could of heard KILL from the QB. Maybe a more “experienced” QB saves us from Roman in that instance.
a young QB in his third start is going to start questioning coaches. Brilliant…..
Then maybe there’s a big drawback in having a young QB in his third start in a SB stretch run.
Especially if the world is going to dump on Roman in hindsight anyway.
Jimmy Dugan is not concerned with outcomes. Rather the style and entertainment value CK brings. He would be happy turfing the season if it meant Smith never played again.
How no one is concerned about CK mistakes and decisions going into the playoff is mind numbing.
But I guess long runs and a big arm could overcome decision making.
Maybe there was no play to kill to. they don’t always do that.
Fortunately, RoboKap is the only QB that is going to play right now. Tell ALex, nice hat!
Harbaugh is showing that everything that comes out of his mouth is complete BS, Just be upfront and honest Jim. We are tired of this. Just say “We are starting Colin because we believe he gives us a best chance to win” even though that statement wouldnt be true. Listening to him speak is annoying.
do you have a link?
Im listening to his press conference on the radio.
Actually, Adam707, if you want Harbaugh to be honest then you want his quote to be: “We are starting Colin because I say so”. That would be honest on his part. It’s Harbaugh’s team and no one questions him.
Jed won’t pull a Harbaugh and bench the coach who’s gone 22 – 7 – 1, would he? Perhaps Jed should and say: “I’m going with Jim Tomsula for the rest of the season because his record is 1 -0; and … I say so.”
I just want to hear something honest come out of his mouth. It seems like he doesnt want to hurt anyone’s feelings, but its the NFL, Shhhhh happens
Typical coach speak, but it’s still annoying. He doesn’t “owe” the media/fans anything, but don’t pee on our leg and tell us it’s raining.
The decision to go CK is all on him and remains to be seen if it was the correct one. Hopefully he made the right choice(for this year).
Alex cant stand the truth. JH knows he’s fragile. ALex hasn’t gone through all the changes because he has bad luck. He’s just not that good. You gotta know that by now.
He doesn’t have to tell you anything. Just look at his actions. He is right, Kap gives us the best chance to win a SUPER BOWL. To hell with beating the Rams. We know that we had the game won on 2 occasions.
What’s with all the Chicken Little’s coming out of the woodwork all of a sudden? I really like Alex, both the man and the QB, but the pendulum swing in fan response over the past 24 hours has been mind-boggling. Where were (most of) these supporters for the last 8 years? The last two?! Many of these same folks couldn’t wait to roast Alex every week (even when he won!) and now they’re making like he’s the second coming or something! Phony fickle fans. It’s incredible.
Support your team, ya hens! The sky is not falling!
Since JH is an ex-QB he needs to help slow things down for Kap. Explain all the options for Kap the way Walsh used to tell Joe. Love watching film of Walsh, he used to break down all the detail which made things calmer, i.e. “The Catch”. Told Montana if you don’t see it throw out of bounds cuz they had enough downs to try again.
Even so this game was Won, except ppl didn’t execute, Walker n Akers lost this 4 us.
Actually, I think he does do that, both with Alex and with Kaep. It’s my understanding he’s going over the reads on the called play right up to when the audio is cut off to the QB’s helmet. Also, a lot of the plays are designed with multiple hi-low reads per side of the field to make decisions faster and easier.
It seems to me that most people lay to0 much emphasis on the quarterback position in wins and losses. Did Kaepernick make some mistakes, yesterday? Sure, but I still feel his upside outweighs the downside of his learning curve. If Walker makes that catch in the endzone, we’d be probably be talking about how he won the game for them even after his earlier miscues. On the whole, I’ve been concerned about this team’s ability to win games against strong teams in the playoffs ever since the debacle against the Giants. I still feel Kaep gives us a better chance against teams like that if the defense is struggling that day.
Akers needs to go- The niners would be 10-2 with a good kicker.
Mr. Harbaugh — why did you bang on CK’s shoulder pads yesterday prior to kickoff? I thought this was JH-AS thing. The bloggers at Inside the 49ers are confused now because many thought it was your attempt to bolster Smith’s confidence. What is next? CK hoofing your bag at the AT&T?
Forgive me if we’ve plowed this ground before.
Lol at the ground plowing reference.
What’s the word on Manninghams shoulder? Can’t afford to have him miss much time
“Yes. I still feel that way,” Harbaugh said. “There was a lot of positives in the game, definitely a tough loss. And specifically with Colin, especially after the fumble-touchdown, the way he responded, the way the team responded, putting ourselves in a position to win after that. And the same can be said for the safety, too. I thought he responded with some big throws and big plays.”
Jack, what’s the topic going to be for your next blog?
What would you like it to be?
Was thinking of going through the plays and players/coaches that led to the loss.
Sounds like the right one, Jack. Looking forward to reading it as I always do.
Do you have capacity to post videos instead of screenshots?
NFL Rewind does not allow it, which is why I have been using multiple pictures to try and give a visual of what I am describing.
This doesn’t have to be your next post Jack but how bout a look at the coverage on some of the plays when CK bails from the pocket.
Thanks for the suggestion. That is on my list of things to chart. There was an awful lot of zone which is why the slants and short hitches were so open.
Thanks Jack. I was thinking while watching the game they should go more to the short passing game. Why do you think there was no adjustment made? It was kinda obvious the Rams were stacking the box, but they just kept slamming Gore into a brick wall.
You should a change to the poll.
ADD : Grant Cohn (for predicting a blowout).
Someone on the sfgate.com blog posted a comment saying that Kaepernick is going through a learning curve and will catch on eventually.
This is NOT the year for a learning curve, it’s the year for a Super Bowl Run. Go back to Alex Smith, he did not lose the job, and he wouldn’t have lost this game by giving up easy points to the opposition.
NGH!! Not Gonna HAPPEN! Its over for Smith. He won’t play again until next year.
Boy oh boy. I am extremly dissapointed in three games this year. I am really happy about two games this year. Now we have two camps on this blog the Smithers and the Kaepers. Both sides of the QB issue i do believe you all have lost it somewhere. Your intense dislike for AS or CK has clouded issues. I myself will not bad mouth either QB, both have issues.
The two games that I am very impressed with is the Cardinal game with AS as QB saw the WCO in its pureist form florish, the Bears game with CK as QB saw the talents of a young QB emerging. Great games for sure.
The three games that we have lost the Vikings, and both Ram games (I know one is a tie, if it isnt a win its a loss) just plain stupid losses on the Niners TEAM. There are several parallels in these three games. Doesnt matter which QB is playing the following holds true in these games
1. O-line sucks in pass protection lots
2. Passes are dropped
3. Bad play calling
4. Bad coaching
5. Defense not doing its job – to include yesterday, they played great till we needed a stop.
6. Sacks even with the elusive CK.
7. Turnovers. Always huge in any game.
8. Missed field goals.
9. Bad QB play.
The above list is an indicator of what our problems are. They are the common theme in these three games that we should of WON. To all you critics on both sides of the QB issue its not the QB for the most part its a TEAM thing. Those are the issues that I see needing immediate attention. Both sides of the QB issue have listed the reasons why we lost, lord and behold they are the same exact reasons no matter who the QB is. Those issues need to be addressed.
To the Smithers (me) baring an injurey or a complete breakdown I do believe we have seen the last of AS as the starting QB and shortly after the season he will be gone. To the Kaepers get real. Our playoff hopes hinge on this guy, right now I am not even thinking Super Bowl I am thinking we need to get into the playoffs. Can we beat the Patriots – I cant come out and say yes, can we beat the Hawks in their house, probably not. Do we make the playoffs man I hope so.
CK had a bad game yesterday, there will be more of these, inexperience has been and always will be a problem with all raw talent. CK made two bone head plays, WTF are you doing in the endzone that developed into a safety, WTF are you running out of bounds at the end of regulation. Just plain stupid. Thats not coaching, what it is, is a player not thinking. QBs have to be thinking and he did not. Now CK had two great drives one for 7 and the other for 3. CK you scored as many points for us as you did for the Rams. CK has regressed a little after the Bears game. I do think CK will be just fine, but right now I am thinking maybe we dont even make the playoffs and if we do it will be by the skin of our teeth.
Do I agree with the QB change? Nope not at all. But it is what it is and I will support CK completly as he is the man in charge of the TEAM that I have supported for many years. For those of you who think CK deserves a break because of inexperience – go take a cold shower.
I expect CK to make those kind of mistakes thats why I think changing QBs was the wrong thing to do at this point in time. With that being said I dont want JH to change QBs, dont want musical QBs this is now CKs team and I dont see going back to AS. This decision of changing QBs could turn into the greatest thing since JM or it could be the worst thing to happen to the Niners in a long time. Scott Tolzien anyone?
Could of AS won yesterday, who knows, but what I will say he doesnt make those two boneheaded plays, and he reads defenses real well, teams dont blitz on AS as he usually makes them pay. Sorry to say AS is gone but thats life in the NFL.. CK, your the man now and I will be on your side cause your a Niner but I reserve the right to be critical.
CK is converting on third downs which should translate into points it didnt do much for the team yesterday. Also CK did not throw an interception yesterday thats a good thing. Like I said the problems the Niners have are not QBs to speak of. Even with CKs bonehead plays we should of won this game going away. We didnt so now we are fighting for our playoff lifes.
@undercenter is your post long enough?
I actually edited some out of it. Sometimes I get carried away, my bad.
lol. Good post though, under. I don’t mind reading the longer ones if they’re cogent.
if Akers makes his kicks we are 1 o-2 With 4 weeks to all we need to do is fine tuning and good health for the playoffs. the coach knows what he is.doing.
Pro football Focus’s Analysis of the game:
Other notes from PFF:
- In a tough defeat nobody graded better for the 49ers than Anthony Davis (+5.4), Alex Boone (+3.6) and Chris Culliver (+3.0).
- There were some mistakes but Colin Kaepernick had an adjusted accuracy percentage of 85.7%. It was helped by him channelling his inner Alex Smith and not attempting a pass over 20 yards in the air.
- With Kyle Williams out there’s still no room for A.J. Jenkins. Michael Crabtree led the team with 33 pass routes, followed by 24 for Mario Manningham, 13 for Randy Moss and nine for Ted Ginn.
I’d give Jenkins Ginn’s routes.
Ginn needs to go watch some HS regional championship games this weekend so he can see what DESIRE and TOUGHNESS looks like.
He’s even afraid to get hit by the ground, FALL ON THE BALL!
he’s a coaches son his fundamentals should be better.
The fact that JH is taking ownership for GR calling an inexcusable pitch option play tells that he’s protecting his handpicked QB from criticism or doubt, same as what he used to do for AS. And the fact that CK took ownership for it tells me he’s doing the 1st thing a true leader would do. The tables have been turned here and just as hard as it was for some to get onboard with AS, it will be just as difficult to do the same with CK.
I’ve always supported the team regardless of QB (even back when it was Joe vs. Steve) & I’m not changing now. And regardless of what anybody thought of CK’s performance and put most of the blame on him (which isn’t true or fair imho) or want to use some irrelevent stats to back up their arguments or, worst of all, pontificate til the birds come home, JH is off the AS train, plain and simple.
The arguments for AS point to his record, passer rating and that he led SF to the NFC title game, etc, etc. Another way of looking at it is that AS rode the back of a strong running game, kicking game and incredible defense to the Saints game which AS certainly won for us. Furthermore passing stats will be high if you throw high percentage passes under 10 yards and accept sacks instead of throwing the ball away or trying to keep the play alive.
But then the Giants game happened last season and this season and JH saw what fans saw and most important, coaches could see. Unless our defense and ST put us in an extremely favorable position (as was the case last year, except in the aforementioned title game) the way to beat us is to stack the box and take away the short passes and we won’t have a chance. When we fell behind to a very good team (Giants this year) AS threw costly interceptions that one could argue were far more damagaing in that game then CK’s mistakes in yesterday’s contest.
Niner fans will exchange barbs w/each other, call names, patronize, etc. but it won’t change the fact that JH knows more about QB’ing than anyone on this blog or anyone else that you know. And he chooses CK. He took a very calculated risk in starting CK but there is NO WAY that JH, with all his football smarts, can account for players not catching td’s when they get hit in the hands and kickers not doing the single most important task akin to their job decription. It’s an entirely differnt narrative if just Akers does his job.
Judging from how NY took a “wildcard” position into the playoffs and beat everyone in sight in ’07 and last year, I believe that we’ll be ok. Yes,we’re losing key players, left and right, but HOU lost one of the best linebackers in the league and DEN lost their star RB and continue to win.
I’m a little concerned but FAR from worried. How do you think the fans accross the Bay would react if they sat in our position? We have a qtr. season left and I maintain, if everyone brings their A-game (coaches included) we can’t be beat. We have the BEST d in the league and that’s going to be huge. Stay positive. Go Niners!
I’m I the only person that had more of a problem with scrambling 17 yards back into your own end zone ( weather the call was good or not, we put it in the refs hands) and the running out of bounds on that last fg drive then the botched pitch? The pitch can be scrapped from the playbook or practiced, but those other two were big time bonehead mistakes.
It certainly wasn’t ideal. The call was blown but you can’t put the refs in position to even make that call (because you know they’ll blow it). I have faith that Kap will learn quickly and not make the same mistake twice.
I know my post above this one is long winded, but I certainly noted both of those as boneheaded plays. I didnt have too much of a problem with the botched pitch.
Delanie has been dropping balls all year. I’m glad he won’t be on the team next year. Harbaugh hasn’t mastered Bill Walsh’s art of getting rid of a player a year early versus a year too late. Willis looks a step or two slower, two years ago he makes the play on Kendricks to breakup the two-point try.
Grant could play as well as Willis has played this year!!!
Who is a better quarterback?