Many of you have asked me for my best guess about what the 49ers will do in free agency and the draft. This is my first best guess. I’ll make subsequent best guesses in the coming weeks.
- The 49ers will cut David Akers and Parys Haralson to create cap space to give the franchise tag to Dashon Goldson. Goldson probably wants a five-year contract worth about $8 million per year. The one-year franchise tag would cost the 49ers about $7.5 million next season, saving them money.
- The 49ers will trade Alex Smith to the Cleveland Browns for a fifth-round pick.
- The 49ers will offer Delanie Walker a three-year, $10 million contract extension. If he signs a more lucrative contract with another team, the 49ers will draft a tight end on Day 3 of the draft.’
- The 49ers will offer Randy Moss a dirt-cheap one-year contract, and he will accept it.
- The 49ers will let the rest of their free agents leave unless they sign similarly dirt-cheap deals. Notable free agents are Isaac Sopoaga, Ricky Jean Francois, Ted Ginn Jr., Tavares Gooden, Darcel McBath and Leonard Davis.
- The 49ers will fill out their roster with their 15 draft picks. In the first three rounds, the 49ers will draft two pass rushers, a slot cornerback and a wide receiver – DE Datone Jones in the first round, DE Margus Hunt in the second, and CB Tyrann Mathieu and WR Stedman Bailey in the third.
- In rounds four through seven, the 49ers will draft a quarterback, a kicker, a nose tackle, a safety and a tight end.
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Grant do you see the 49ers signing any under the radar FA’s from other teams?
Maybe, but they’d have to be extremely cheap. The 49ers have very little cap space. The draft may be the best way to fill depth this year for the 49ers, since they have 14 picks (or 15 or 16 if they trade Smith).
I was thinking the 49ers might go after a wide receiver like Brandon Lloyd or Brandon Gibson, but I think the 49ers will go ultra-cheap and stick with Moss.
Like the Brandon Gibson take.
Grant – I have heard they are in much better Cap shape then people give them credit for and in a recent interview Jed said exactly that. Paarag has been a master of manipulating numbers and fluff (See A. Brooks Salary/Cap number dropping by $1.6M in 2013). I think this team has a lot more wiggle room than you are giving them credit for.
Grant
If you’re going to claim the cap-space BS, then at least spell it out for us dummies who don’t agree. Thanks.
Gone are Akers, Ice, & Alex. Also, take DGs $6.2M off the board. Now you’re at $18-20M less than this year. That’s a lot of $$$ right there. Draft picks cost nothing.
Explain yourself, smart guy.
Mike,
The 49ers are almost currently at the cap with the 45 players they have under contract for 2013, but did gain about 1.5 mil with the de-escalator in Brooks’ contract.
http://www.csnbayarea.com/blog/matt-maiocco/49ers-against-2013-cap
Everything,
Sopoaga and Goldson are already off the books, so there is no savings.
Jack
Good for you, doing Grant’s work for him.
Still though, cut Alex & Akers, factor in Brooks, and you’re about $15M less than last year, sign DG if you must, definitely sign Delanie and RJF, and you have $4-5M left to sign rookies. All that without restructuring guys (Goodwin @ $5M).
Jack – Those are the “public numbers” and it really doesn’t mean anything as the 49ers have a good idea who they are going to keep and let go (Starting with Alex’s $8.5 M). We also know how well Paarag manipulates those numbers where it always seems we are up against the cap yet there is always a ton of wiggle room and we hear about clauses and triggers that lowers the cap number way down after the fact (Example – A. Brooks contract).
Mike,
Those are the numbers as they stand currently, but yes, they could change through restructuring etc.
You can look them up for yourself at spotrac.com if you’re so inclined.
Everything,
Akers and Alex save about $12 mil.
If the 49ers tag Goldson, they’d have to do it a couple of weeks before they could trade Alex Smith.
Jack
I can add, thanks. According to the link that you yourself provided, Alex ($9.8M) + Akers ($3.7M) = $13.5M. Which is it?
Everything,
Smith’s number is reduced by $1mil if he is traded. If they release him that $1mil counts against the cap.
Chiefs just released WR Steve Breaston. He could get a look.
Grant — I don’t see how a SB team would overturn a third of their roster to rookies. They will not use all 14 picks. I’m guess they wheel and deal those picks to move up, get a few more players for depth.
larry grant is also a free agent per nfl.com the 49ers are also 1 million over the cap right now per nfl.com
I believe they will restructure Haralson to a vet minimum 1 yr contract with lots of incentives. he is a far better BU then they can draft and i think coming off an injury he will be willing to sign for 1 yr.
I hope you are right. Haralson’s value was way, way underrated. The 49ers should do what ever they can to keep him in San Francisco.
Cut Donte Whitner and Sign Charles Woodson to the same 2 year deal. Its a no brainer and the missing peice of this defense. If we learned ANYTHING in 2012 its that when the pass rush goes away Whitners horrible coverage skills and short stature get exposed again, and again, and again. We don’t need a one dimential safety that can hit/tackle well when we have three down linebackers in Willis and Bowman. We need tall Safetys with good downfiend coverage and ball skills.
Agreed
Good call MikeinSF!
The pass rucsh was just average the minute JSmith went out. The only challenge to your post is that -Would Woodson sign for that anount? I would hope so BUT…
I think it all depends on whether they can sign Goldson. I doubt they will use the franchise tag again on Goldson. If the latter leaves, Whitner remains. He’s an experienced veteran and a team leader.
But he can not cover. They will keep Goldson and draft a premium safety with toughness, cover ability, and over 6’0 ft.
The 49ers will trade Alex Smith to the Cleveland Browns for a fifth-round pick.
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That’s the best possible solution that either side can expect at this point. Although I’m thinking a conditional pick that can become a third or second is still possible. Cleveland is still Alex’s best landing spot.
I should clarify because I’ve been very negative about the chances of a trade even happening but if one does then I think a conditional pick is possible over a straight 5th.
I still think he goes to the Cheifs. Espectially after Trent Dilfers comments that Andy Read “courted” Alex last offseason. Cleveland: Michael Lombardi has been too negative towards Alex Smith to all of the sudden trade a high pick for him.
I think its a 2014 2nd. We don’t need more picks in this draft and any team wanting Alex would LOVE to not have to part ways with their 2013 picks. That’s Baalke’s deal.
I think Smith is definitely going to K.C. Geno Smith that is. As far as Lombardi goes it all comes down to what he thinks of the other choices. Will he like Weeden better then Alex, or McCoy or does he think one of the draft picks is a better choice? If he doesn’t then regardless of what he’s said in the past he’s going to put the best choice he can get at the position.
What if Lombardi doesn’t like all three? Lombardi used to talk all the time on NFL Network about not getting a QB just because you needed one if the “one” isn’t the right fit.
Of the QB’s available Alex Smith is considered to be the top FA and a lot consider him quite a bit better then most of the kids coming out of this draft class. To give up a conditional 6th round pick for the best QB available is hardly a gamble versus using a high draft pick on a rookie. Lombardi may or may not think Alex is the best available but I’m not going to waste time trying to guess his thoughts when I can just go with what makes sense because that’s what intelligent GMs tend to do.
No team is giving up crap for Alex Smith. If I’m the Niners, I would’nt care where he went. He is not threat to this team. He was a bigger threat to the Niners on it than he’ll be playing for another team. I hope he goes to Arizona.
So you want Fitzgerald to have a decent QB to throw to him 23? And before you even try to retort, remember that Fitz had good seasons despite Matt Linehart as his QB.
I see it was time for 23welcher to leave yet another deposit of ignorant crap.
Midwest,
Alex Smith wouldnt trust Fitzgerald anymore tgan he would or did trust Crabtree. Alex Smith needs wideouts with 4.3 speed to throw them the football. He wont throw into coverage and Fitzgerald is not a burner. Alex Smith is not decent. He was decent under JH. He will be gbelow average without this offense and coach holding his hand. We get nothing for Smith. Cut the cord so he can go where he wants. I cant wait to see him look as bad for someone else for years to come. Look jyst like he did for us before JH got here. Smith is now on his own. He may not get his habd held for his new team.
23 says ” I cant wait to see him look as bad for someone else for years to come”
More and more the pain ad scorn are evident in your personal vendetta towards a guy who simply would not sign an autograph for you. Let it go man!
You can tell 23welcher is personally upset because his hand shakes so much that he hits the wrong keys when he types.
At least I assume that’s why his hand shakes. Maybe it’s personal for him in another way.
The back and forth is more about posters not liking each other. No one in their right mind can truly protect Smith. Put it this way, would you bet money that he could go to the Browns or the Chief and be a top 15 QB?
I would feel very comfortable laying money down that he not only would finish below that, but that by his 2nd year he would be replaced AGAIN.
Smith is who he is average. If some of you don’t like that label then too bad. It’s an opinion just like you have opinions.
I’d rather focus on the fact that we have a real NFL QB now. One that escapes the rush, one that looks down field, one that can make all the throws, and one that can score in bunches. A QB that came within one throw of winning a superbowl and being the MVP. He did all of this with 10 starts under his belt. Kiss that bicep young man……
bayarea says:
“I’d rather focus on the fact that we have a real NFL QB now. One that escapes the rush, one that looks down field, one that can make all the throws, and one that can score in bunches. A QB that came within one throw of winning a superbowl and being the MVP. He did all of this with 10 starts under his belt. Kiss that bicep young man……
But every other comments you talk about Smith, so which is it? Smith who you adore to hate or CK who you blindly tout when he didnt deliever in 4 attempts at winning it all?
FDM,
I didn’t start this thread, I responded to it. And I’ll take CK all day. If you want to paint him in any form of negative light then you are as ignorant as they come. You are free to follow Smith and cheer for him no matter where he lands.
For me Smith as a player is 95% bad memory.
I could care less where Alex Smith ends when he leaves the SF. He won’t be a Niner and will be an easy win for the opponent.
Bay you continue to throw the rock and hide your hand. Like your boy 23 welcher, you cannot go a day without talking about Smith or admitting that CK dropped the ball against the Ravens the last possession of that game.
The future is bright with CK, but your inability to call it straight with CK is laughable considering your years worth of garbage towards Alex.
FDM,
unlike you I DO call it straight. It is you and the Smithers that never called it straight. I called Smith average and he was. I also acknowledge that CK could have done more on the goal line.
It’s you protectors that can’t have it both ways. None of you ever called it straight with Smith.
You called it straight? How many times were you caught citing to incorrect or made up statistics or other factual inaccuracies? How many times did you have change which stats were “important” to avoid categories in which Smith did well.
And stop pretending. You only now throw out the “Smith is average” line in hopes that no one remembers your original position, which was that Smith “sucked,” that the team’s failure to win prior (with Singletary) was solely Smith’s fault, and that the 49ers could never win or beat good teams with Smith at QB.
Clod,
Smith worked his way up to average. He did suck for many years.
Let me help you progress here Clod. Instead of doing what you do over and over again which bores the room, give us an opinion.
Where do you think Smith will end up? Will he successfully learn an offense in the off season and will he achieve top 15 success this year?
Will he make his new team better?
The fact that you only use half-truths for your ‘reasons’ and keep choosing a different QB Flavor of the Month until one is flashy enough for you makes your post full of nothing but pompous arrogance 23. Now start figuring out where on the team that you are going to direct lust filled hate towards starting next season President 23jordan.
1. The Chiefs
2. Yes, but not top 10.
3. Yes.
Once more into the fray!
- Bill Shakespeare
Alex never met a backup he couldn’t give his job to.
- Damon Bruce
Nobody Is trading for Smith because they know that JH made him serviceable and held his hand for almost 2 years. The other teams relize that SMITH WILL STRUGGLE IF YOU DONT BABYSIT HIS FRAGILE GAME! He will be a free agent with a 5 mil dollar a year 2 year deal. Hes not legit and he never will be.
A welcher says what?
Quit giving Prime grief Claude.
@ Jack:
Nice.
No, Prime never welched on me, but jordan did. Twice.
In your pipe Jack!
Wanna bet? LOL
Where’s Niners Chatter? Crash and burned!
It hasn’t gone anywhere, it is still kicking. Business became quite hectic and I chose to go with the money making option.
Yeah okay Jack! Pipe dreams rarely become reality. Seems like some people on here cannot admit when they were wrong. Oh well.
“Pipe dreams rarely become reality. ”
Wanna bet? : )
If you don’t chase your dreams, whether they be reacheable or not, then you can’t get where you want to go.
The back and forth is more about posters not liking each other.
Well, to be fair to us, it is difficult to like overbearing mouth-breathers who
1. demand conformity of thought;
2. condescendingly ridicule and question the fanhood of those who disagree with them
3. don’t know as much as they think they do, but whose egos are so high strung they would rather make up factually inaccurate b/s than acknowledge they were wrong; and
4. would rather cheer against a 49er than admit they might have been wrong about him.
But apparently, you, jordan and Nick think it’s working for you, so the rest of us don’t expect a change any time soon.
Clod,
you are so sweet. Let me be clear, I don’t care for you. Your inability to take a side and form an opinion make your reads unappealing, boring and uninformative.
You are a bottom feeder that waits for road kill, and then you jump in like you are part of the kill. You are nothing Clod.
You found your niche which is to be a wordsmith and criticize people. Bravo Clod. Maybe in 2013 you can actually put yourself out there. Form an opinion about the team. Take a stance on a player. Predict an outcome. It would be a nice change for you instead of trying to be the cerebral opinionated guy in the room that completely gets off just trying to win arguments.
And your fondness for forming and defending uninformed opinions in the face of counterfacts makes you such great company. “I don’t know what I’m talking about, but let me give you my strong opinion. What do you mean you don’t agree with me? There’s something wrong with you; you’re not a real fan. Or you’re related to somebody. I don’t care if the facts undermine my position. Look, I made up some facts to support my position, so we’re even.”
I’m sorry that my insistence on accurate information gets in the way of you freely distributing your uninformed opinions. But, since we’re giving suggestions to each other, here’s one for you: How about you educate yourself on a subject before forming a strong opinion. Gain the knowledge first, then form the opinion.
Otherwise, you’re just inflicting ignorant b/s on the rest of us.
It’s so funny how Bay calls Claude a “boring wordsmith” because he uses words Bay doesn’t understand. Here Bay, let me help: Claude is smarter than you, he makes you look like a fool every time you post, and your replies to him have become incredibly predictable. Instead of refuting his claims (which are obviously correct to anyone with a lick of sense) you just type some pathetic crap about taking stances and winning arguments because you have nothing left to say after receiving your humiliating beat downs.
You don’t like Claude because he is right and you know it. Stop being a tool, and Claude will stop calling you out. Simple as that.
LSX,
when Clod asks for a monkey to speak up for him and I feel like hearing from a monkey, we will call you.
Like I said, this isn’t about football, this is about a segment of posters that don’t like eachother. The “Smith” divide.
Move on, like it or not I was right about Smith. He graduated from Crap to average and was eventually replaced for the third time by the third coach in a row. Only this time it’s permanent.
Don’t like it? Go cry a river with DS or follow Smith to his new team….. Buh bye.
Bay-bay:
Don’t worry, I’ll ask a monkey to speak up for me when I want you to understand the message.
Your feeble “I was right about Smith” made me laugh. You are are like the saddest little kid complaining about his older brother (It’s not fair; it’s not fair; it’s not fair!!!! I was right about Alex Smith. I was too!!!!!)
Disagree Coffee.
The BEST landing spot is KC. They have a good and potentially very good OLine and can then use their 1st rounder on OT Joeckel[sp]and their 2nd on DLine and give us their 3rd. Obviuosly all guess work and I can’t wait for this to be concluded and we move on to the draft.
It’s arguable who has the better line for the sake of comparison I’ll call it a draw. However the Browns have one of the better maybe the best CB tandems in the league and their defense has been steadily getting better versus the Chiefs which had a deplorable defense last year. Both have good run games but Id still pick Richardson over the two injury prone backs in KC.
To me KC is a few steps behind where the Browns are at and Alex could be more successful in less time in Cleveland.
The Browns could have very easily been an 8-8 or 9-7 team last year if they’d had a semi consistent QB. They had a lot of close losses, this is not a team that is getting blown out of the water by the ‘good’ teams in the league, they beat the crap out of the Giants, how did we do against them?
….And if you are folliwng what RJF is saying on twitter then I’m certain he will be resigned.
I suspect Sopoaga will walk after 9 years with the Niners. But will Niners pay RFJ starter money like they paid McDonald ? I doubt.The NT position has been devalued in recent years. We’ll see next month.
…to create cap space to give the franchise tag to Dashon Goldson. Goldson probably wants a five-year contract worth about $8 million per year. The one-year franchise tag would cost the 49ers about $7.5 million next season, saving them money.
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What’s the long term in this scenario? Looking forward, without a long term deal don’t you have to consider a S in the first four picks at least?
You switched your pick at CB already? Mathieu could be an interesting pick that would contribute immediately.
Agreed
I did. The 49ers have to find an answer for the quick slot receivers.
I like the Honeybadger as well. His interview(s) will be very important.
What he does at the Combine will be important as well.
Safety Matt Elam can cover slot receivers. Could very well be the 31st pick, so why go with a 5’9, 187 lb CB with 4.57 speed in the 3rd round?
If Niners think he (Mathieu) is worth the risk, why not take a flier on Titus Young, formerly of Detroit and St. Louis? You know he has speed and a year under his belt. He would be cheaper than some of the other lower level FAs on the market, and maybe the 49er lockerroom and JH can harness his behavior and self-destructive patterns. No cost to do it because he is on the street. At least he does not appear to have the nose candy problem.
Good call, Mike. Young would be worth a training camp invite, at the least.
I don’t think Elam will fall that low in the draft. Space.
He has a huge behaviour problem though. The fact that he was quickly released after the Rams signed him doesn’t bode well. We’ll find out if Mathieu has turned the corner, but it is very obvious that Young has not.
MWN, Elam is on a lot of draft boards going late 1st or early 2nd. I think the 49ers have a very good chance of grabbing him.
I know Space, but I think he will be off the board sooner than that.
Adding Titus Young and Mathieu to the same team? Who do you think these guys are, the Bengals? It was bad enough that they added Perrish Cox last year.
I would LOVE LOVE LOVE it if we drafted Matt Elam. He is the real deal. I’ve seen every one of his games in college and I’m a HUGE fan. If he falls to 31, he would be a huge get.
@ LSX:
One of the knocks against Whitner is that he is too short. Isn’t that also a problem for Elam?
I thought the knock on Whitner was that he gives up a lot of TD’s? Elam is an SS with coverage skills along with being a player that Florida State often used to cover slot receivers. Does that sound like Whitner?
Elam is a Gator, not a Seminole, what’s wrong with me today?
Mathieu will be lucky to be a 3rd day pick at best. Too many off field issues and commitment questions. And he’s already highly undersized. Not worth anything more than a 6th round.
5th rounder.
I think Haralson, Akers, Goodwin, and Manningham will be cut. Smith will be traded to the Chiefs. Rogers and Whitner will have to restructure their contracts. In total they will have $26-$30 million in additional cap to resign Goldson and RFJ as well as our rookies, then go bargain hunting in the FA market.
AGREE big time! I also feel we’ll get a third for Alex, we franchise Goldson and get his eventual replacement in the draft.
Shouldn’t the Niners consider Cutting Manningham and using the cash to go after a deep threat free agent like Wallace?
Isn’t it a big risk to bring him back? What if he comes back a shadow of what he was last season, which was a decline from his career numbers? They are screwed.
Will the Niner Wide Receivers once again be terrible(except Crabtree) and not scare NFL defenses?
Wallace will want too much money that our team could just as well use to resign both Goldson and RFJ AND still have some left over for another bargain FA.
Grant,
Who do you think will return punts? Does CB Tyrann Mathieu and WR Stedman Bailey have those skills. James last year was horrible in the pre-season with punt returns.
Mathieu does Neal.
Mathieu can return punts. He’s also a great gunner.
sounds like a second round pick.
Grant, if you drop the third pick part of your poll question, you might get a more accurate assessment of if us bloggers want Mathieu or not. Some of us do want him but not for a third round pick.
Ok, I’ll do that.
I was thinking the same thing as MWN because I see that first 3rd round pick as a value pick where the 49ers might find a future starter vs a role player. I would be fine with Mathieu as a 4th or 5th round pick.
I hope Walker and his 200 dropped passes hit the road.
Harbaugh was pretty aggressive during free agency last year – moss, manningham, bjacobs. I would think we could expect the same this year.
*Baalke
I think it’s more Baalke but that’s meaningless of who at this point. I agree we’ll look carefully in FA and Baalke is a Bargin Shopper who can find good deals for the team.
A QB in rounds 4-7? What’s that, Tim Rattay?
Can we afford to lose both RJF and Soap?
We let Goldson go then bring in a 4/5 round rookie to call coverages?
I’ll agree there will need to be some reworked deals for Soap, RJF, Harralson.
Cut Manningham for an unproven rookie sprinter? We’ll need MM for third downs; gotta keep those chains moving.
Just guessing……
Or Tom Brady…in round 6.
Grant,
I like that idea of taking a chance on Mathieu. It’s the kind of high risk, high reward play well run teams, with lots of extra draft picks, with good rosters can afford to make.
I’ll leave it to Baalke to decide what round to grab him in, though.
Not so sure how high the reward will be with the guy. He’s being projected to be a nickle back/return man. He’s surprisingly slow, especailly for someone of his size. If youre a 5’9 guy, you should have speed better than 4.6. Tye Hill was 5’9 but had 4.3 speed and a 41″ vert. If Mathieu had that and no off field issues, repeat issues to boot, he’d be a 1st/2nd round guy. But now he’s 5th-UDFA status.
Mathieu has elite quickness and playing speed. He would have been a second or third rounder without the off field issues.
But he does have the off field issues, and any team taking him has to be convinced those issues are behind him. Personally, I wouldn’t take the risk.
We did with Alex Boone and that turned out rather well.
Yeah, as an undrafted FA. If Mathieu can be taken in the 7th or as an undrafted FA, sure, why not.
This is the year that the 49ers will trade up. Perhaps a couple of times. With 11 picks now and maybe 3 more coming as compensation and still a chance to get a pick for Alex. That is 15 draft picks of which 12 would be tradable. Assuming we add a couple of players via free agency the 49ers simply won’t come close to needing/drafting 15 players.
Tyrann Mathieu? No thanks. He has no future in the NFL, even before all his problems at LSU. Sure he made plays in college, but nobody wants a small, slow CB with awful cover skills. He is basically Taylor Mays minus the size/speed.
hello what are you talking about slow? Try watching him return punts or kickoffs . I mean you got a little Mighty Mouse. he’s a dynamic player.
Agreed Big niner.
T.Mathieu, although small in stature, plays “big” the way Bob Sanders played for the Colts.
TM is a fearless and competitive player that will have a good career in the NFL.
My only concern is the obvious off field issues he seems to have a problem walking away from.
I would take him on the third day of the draft beginning from the 4th rd. and out.
Agree with Big Niner. At some point in the draft Mathieu will become a great value.
Not a great value, but instead the biggest steal of the draft.
what if a guy like Ricky Jean Francois puts him under his wings and keepshim under control both being from LSU?
This whole question of Mathieu is predicated on him “passing the tests” during Combine interviews. Barring that he won’t get drafted by the Niners. It still could happen, drafting him. The team took chances on Boone (udfa) and Cox (FA) and T.Brown. He has to convince TB and JH that he’s got his head screwed on straight.
What round? I have no clue. Risk and size/speed questions make me like the idea of 5th Round, but he could well be gone that late.
It seems like we’re fixating on one Sardine in the sea with all this discussion of this one player with the many questions
Mayock has him as a fourth rounder. I hope he falls to the 9ers in the fifth. I’m not in love with him as a corner but he’ll be a core special teamer for sure.
what about that West Virginia running back or receiver that really fast guy?
I’d be happy with 4 ball players from this draft that can contribute for years to come.
Four quality players in any draft is a huge success in my opinion. This is supposedly a deep draft and with a lot of picks we should be able to achieve that. A pass rusher, a corner, a stout and sturdy 3-4 d-lineman and a receiver would fill the bill.
If Mathieu is out there in the 2nd round they need to jump on him he is the best corner in the draft. draft a DE in the 1st and 3rd and get a receiver in the 4th. With Jenkins, Moss (if resigned) and Manningham. Get Walker resigned they will be stacked on both sides. In the later rounds look for another defense lineman, return man/corner or wr and kicker.
Matt on CSN Bay Area posted the article below which to my opinion is right on!
http://www.csnbayarea.com/blog/matt-maiocco/why-49ers-pass-defense-faltered-playoffs
We lost he super bowl due to lack of pressure from the front 4! base on watching the game several time J Smith had his worst game of the season during the super bowl! We can not expect our front 4 to provide constant pressure and stay fresh through out the season without getting a breather! We must put a huge emphasis on the defensive front line and add several high motor players to the roster to keep everyone fresh!
OLBs Haralson, Johnson, Fleming all injured in preseason. Occasional pass rushing DE Dobbs injured mid season. Amazing the 49ers made it within a play of winning the Super Bowl with the pass rushing depth so badly depleted.
I hope the 49ers do what ever they can to retain Haralson.
Brodie, I agree. for the second year we played with a depleted team! last year we lost our WR and this year we lost our depth on the LB and J Smith got injured! Also keep in mind when you play a very physical brand of football towards the end of the season guys are really hurting! Our entire LB team had suffered shoulder injuries! All the focus is on the DBS were the emphasis should be on pass rush and the front seven. If you have a great front seven your are not going to give up a lot of yards period!
Grant, I like Larry Grant. Will he be an FA this spring? If so will the 49ers re-sign him?
Grant, do you see the 49ers front loading some contracts into 2013 to give the team more cap space in 2014-15 for a new Kaepernick contract? If so there might be less cap space then meets the eye.
Giving Goldson the franchise tag is probably what will happen, but I wouldn’t be averse to letting him test the market. At 28 and the way he plays, I wouldn’t be comfortable giving him a big 5 year contract.
I’d keep Haralson. Cut Akers and obviously either trade or release Alex.
I mentioned Brandon Gibson as a player the 49ers should look at previously – he’s definitely worth a look at the right price. Ideally Walker would be re-signed. Same with RJF, or a DT/DE signed that could take his role.
Not a fan of drafting 2 DL in the first 2 rounds that play the same role. If they go for 2 DL, one should be able to play the nose. And I think Kawann Short is a better fit than either Datone Jones or Margus Hunt.
Regardless of what happens with Goldson, a safety should be on the draft menu in the first four rounds. Whitner is in the last year of his contract, and should be allowed to leave after that. If Goldson is franchised, then 2 safeties are needed.
Drafting a CB to play the slot makes sense because Rogers showed he can’t match up against little/ quick slot WRs consistently well. But I wouldn’t take the risk on Mathieu.
Risk versus reward on Mathieu, and if he’s there when its the 49ers turn, you take the risk.
Christine Michael, Texas A&M University Running Back has a rare combination of size and speed that could be a value pick day 3.
Stansly Maponga, Texas Christian University Defensive End is another day 3 guy that could be converted to OLB.
Rex Burkhead, Nebraska RB is a guy if there in round 6 I would steal.
No RBs unless they can be a FB and/or WR hybrid.
Why do you take the risk Razor? When you make any investment you have to assess it against a certain risk weighted return. Mathieu is a massive risk, so either you expect the return to be huge (absolutely no guarantee of that – and it’s not like he has amazing physical attirbutes either) or the investment needs to be small.
I’m taking it you think he will be outstanding. I disagree.
His football instincts are second to none. He is a pure baller. It would be a misdemeanor to whiff on him in round 4.
He plays bigger than his size and is an excellent PR Scooter. If he gets drafted in the round I think he will be, then it won’t be that big of a loss if he fails to make the team. I believe he is worth a sixth round pick.
Yeah, that’s basically my point MidWest – reduce the size of the investment. If the 49ers draft him in the later rounds then I’m fine with that, but I’d be hard pressed to see drafting Mathieu in the early to mid rounds as a sound pick. No doubt some team will though.
I dont understand the love from some for RJF. Every time he gets in for Soap he gets beat . If Williams is not ready and Soap leaves then we better have a better player to start at NT than RJF or our run defense is in huge trouble. As a mediocre backup at DE and NT he could be useful but if he wants to get paid then players like him are a dime a dozen.
As a backup he’s alright. If he wants to move somewhere to have a chance to start (and get paid like it) then let him go.
Actually he played fairly well. In the Seattle game, he was one of the better DL despite his bad play on the Lynch run. And the same thing was once said about DE McDonald and look how well that turned out.
Delanie Walker is a goner. Someone will offer him a lot more money than the niners can offer. Jets/Seahawks etc.
Goldson stays, but only if he is franchised, if his reported asking price is $10mil/year.
I think the niners make a run at and retain RJF.
The Jets and Seahawks may both have to get rid of their TE’s for cap reasons.
The Saints already got rid of their No. 2 TE.
The more TEs that get released, the better.
Agreed Claude. The market is definitely shrinking for Walker. We might be able to keep him on the cheap.
Exactly, supply and demand.
I did not know the Seahawks were in cap trouble. On the contrary I believe they have over 15 mil in cap space
IMG,
I don’t know that Seattle has cap issues, but Miller has a huge cap figure ($11 million) this year. His production doesn’t warrant his salary, which is why John Clayton had mentioned him as a possible candidate for release. The Seahawks would save $10 million by releasing him.
@Big P – Got it, yes why keep a under performing player at a high salary. The answer seems to be obvious, if it is not a big cap hit.
Tyraan Mathieu 3rd round for sure…Guys got the impact to change the momentum at any time
LMAO!
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QJ882QYzr-M
That would have been damn funny if my computer speakers actually worked
I could see the Niners trading Smith (probably to the Chiefs) for swapping positions. For ex, Smith and the Niners’ second for KC’s second. Maybe throw a later round pick in to KC to sweeten the deal.
Hard to believe that Alex isn’t worth that.
At his salary, he’s worth nothing to us. Desperation is the only rwason a team trades for him. Now if he wants to renegotiate that contract, we could trade him. He’s not worth his contract and a pick from another team. He wont make 8.5 million with his new team. If we get a 7th rounder, were lucky.
The QB issue is over in San Francisco lets all just let it go. Its time to stand behind CK and wish AS all the best [except when he plays the 9ers] The only question we have at QB is who is going to be our #2. Go niners, go CK and good luck AS
+1000
If you want to have any chance of drafting Mathieu you better be prepared to get him in the middle of the second at the latest, at the very latest. Teams will be praying that other teams are waiting until the third to get this guy and he’ll be long gone by then. Don’t kid yourself that GM’s and Coahes are worried about his past, all they see is the raw talent and their ego’s convince them they can work with him.
Unless he blows it and does something stupid this kid is gone by pick #50.
You may be right. He just ran a 4.47.
Yarp
At 5’9″ and 175 lbs, he had better run fast. I think the only impact this kid has is as a returner. He is just too small. If he had prototypical size, his past transgressions might make it easier to take a gamble.
Hopefully he wasn’t using T.O.’s stopwatch.
You can beat any receiver if you jam him at the line and Mathieu has the strength to do that. Besides he isnt’ going to be lining up on Calvin or Fitz any time soon. This is the kid you attach to Welker or Amendola and if they do catch it he’s gonna knock their feckin teeth out.
The market for CBs just got a little tighter. Patriots’ CB Alfonzo Dennard was convicted of felony assault on a police officer.
http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2013/02/20/pats-alfonzo-dennard-convicted-of-felony-assault-on-police-officer/
Coffee,
At 175 lbs, this guy isn’t going to be knocking anybody’s teeth out in the NFL.
175 isn’t much if your 6’2″ but at 5’9″ and Im’ guessing he’s probably in the 7% body fat range he’s a freaking fire plug. Would you wanna be tackled by him?
He is the same size as Desean Jackson. I’m not against drafting him, but I wouldn’t touch him in the second round. If he is available in the third or fourth, maybe. NFL receivers aren’t going to be intimidated by a 5’9″ CB that weighs 175 lbs wet and wearing boots. Even if he plays with the tenacity that he displayed at LSU, chances are he will break down against NFL competition.
Last year there were 4 CBs gone by #39 and the fourth as Janoris, if GM’s and Coaches think Mathieu has equal or greater upside to Jenkins he could be gone that soon too.
He’s 5’9″ which to me is not the direction we want to go.
I don’t like short d-backs either but your slot corner doesn’t need height as much as speed. Most slot/flanker WR’s tend to be 6’1″ and under anyway.
I am very interested to see what Mathieu actually measures at the combine.
We defenitly need Haralson back in our defense. He can play the run and put pressure on the QB!
Chicago,
Haralson isn’t a big time play maker, but he is a productive and steady member of the defense. His presence was missed last year and I agree that his return will help the team.
I agree with the person who said we might go for a safety as early as first round. Maybe not first round, but very conceivably before round 4. I know that the pass rush diminished at the end of the year and Culliver struggled late in the year too, but to my mind part of the late season pass defense problems revolved around an increased targeting and victimization of Whitner on key third down plays. He appears too short to cover tall tight ends and is just not that good in coverage generally — was targeted for two tds in Super Bowl. I could see using Whiner in base personnel and bringing in a younger, taller and more athletic safety on passing downs.
Buffalo fans couldn’t wait to get rid of Whitner for this very reason. He has a history of this and the 49ers need to address the issue with a draft pick or free agent.
Grant,
I see Alex going to the Chiefs…he’s needed there, & Andy Reid’s a QB-friendly head coach. Their GM’s already said he’s not impressed with the QB crop in the draft. And, it’ll be for a better than 5th rd pick, too. I think you’re pretty close WRT the FA’s Baalke lets walk. Not so sure about Moss…I know Harbaugh’s said he wants him back, but that could just be a sound-bite. I disagree they’ll keep all their draft picks…what for? Instead, I see Baalke doing some horse-trading…mostly upwards to get some real blue-chippers at DL, secondary, WR and TE positions.
Totally agree. Baalke will further eval guys at the Combine to see where the guys they like will fall and trade-up to get premium needs in the first 3 or 4 rounds. Go 9ers!
I have a feeling they will be active in rounds 2-5 they also need linebackers depending on if they bring back grant or gooden. not sure about the olb’s that were injured last year so there is need for some depth on this team.
Let’s hope this ends any further discussion about him:
“Freeney made clear that, moving forward, he prefers the 4-3.”
http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2013/02/20/colts-made-no-offer-to-freeney/
Anyone still wanna try and make the argument he can play in a 3-4?
I don’t remember anyone making that argument. I remember them saying that if Freeney joined a team solely to be a situational pass rusher, it didn’t matter whether the team played a 3-4 or 4-3 in its base defense.
He should be a situational pass rusher at this stage of his career.
@ Grant:
Probably, in which case he would make sense for the 49ers to consider. I suspect he believes differently, however.
Even if I he didn’t, he’s likely to command a bigger contract/signing bonus by presenting himself as a starter/player of major minutes than he is as a situational pass rusher. That’s likely why he made his most recent comments about the 4-3 – as a starter/player of major minutes, he’s better in a 4-3 base than in a 3-4. I would be surprised if some 4-3 team didn’t overpay him to subsequently overplay him.
Grant, do you think Freeney will see it that way? I can’t imagine the former All Pro just accepting that kind of role until teams force him to accept it. Someone will see him as a starter.
Will a contender see him as a starter? I doubt he’d sign with a bad team at his age just so he can start.
Freeney himself said today that he doesn’t see himself that way.
I’m sure he doesn’t.
Yes, I think quite a few playoff contenders that play a 4-3 will see him as a good fit. Falcons definitely, and I’ve seen Vikings and Giants being touted as possible landing spots. He wouldn’t play 100% of snaps, but he’d see a lot of snaps on these teams. More than he would with the 49ers who still play 3-4 as their base and already have good edge rushers in Aldon and Brooks for when they switch to 4 man fronts.
Grant, what are they trying to run this server on an Amiga 500?
It’s a hot wired Atari 2600.
we’re probably lucky if it’s a TRS-80
You are nuts if you think the 49ers will trade Alex for a 5th round pick! Also, there is no way they will let both Soap and Ricky go – they will sign one or both of them. They will offer Goldson his five-year deal, because he has earned it and saving money is not the ONLY think the team considers when making these decisions. I agree that Randy Moss will stay with the team. I also think Tavares Gooden will be resigned. However, Alex will go to Kansas City and if Baalke is really good, he will get KC’s #1 pick (#1 pick for #1 pick); much more likely, he will get their 2nd rd. pick.
no way we get a #1 pick for alex…..
Grant
Your server is a piece of poop.
Why not ship Alex and a boat load of picks to the jets for revis? If he is available you go get him!! Could be 15 years before a guy like him comes around. If we had him I’m willing to bet guys wouldn’t be laying on their backs catching passes. Just a thought
Here’s someone who went out on a limb and was right. Big time. Nicely done Grant.
http://49ers.pressdemocrat.com/2012/02/inside-the-49ers/in-five-years-who-will-be-the-best-nfl-qbs/
I remember that article. I imagine CK would be #1 or #2 on the list now, maybe just behind Luck.
P I think a full season or another full season by each of these QB’s will give a definitive answer to who will be elite level type QB.
I think teams will definitely know how to game plan better for CK as well as Luck. Can RGIII stay healthy and Newton will need to get his team in the playoffs or very close.
Prime,
Newton isn’t a natural leader, he is a front runner. When things are going bad, he sulks on the bench, away from his teammates, with a towel over his head. RG3 tore the same ACL in his knee for the second time. He is a phenomenal talent, but I just don’t think he will have the same impact on the field after blowing up his knee again. He may heal up 100%, but the Redskins will be hesitant to have him run around, which is what makes him so effective. Jake Locker is not in the same stratosphere as any of those guys, although I understand where Grant was coming from after Locker’s rookie campaign. Luck is a blue chip talent, but CK has shown he is as well. He is also has the best physical attributes of the group. He is stronger, faster and has a better arm than all of them. I think a lot of GM’s would pick CK to start a franchise right now if they could. Luck will be a perennial Pro Bowler for the next decade. Those would be my top two.
Bay, make sure you do a good job washing Grant’s car this weekend. Don’t miss any spots like you did last time.
Speaking of spots, what’s that brown spot on your nose?
Thats just dirt from falling on his face so much with the countless assumptions, predictions, and innuendo’s.
Claude,
It doesn’t take long to wash a Smart Car…
The tale of two takes:
bayareafanatic says:
February 28, 2012 at 3:52 pm
Grant,
I think Ponder will be up there too. As for Kap, he just needs a shot. Put him behind this improved line and he easily does what Alex does now and more. We would immediately see more production. He’s itching for it. Smith fans better hope he never gets injured because he would never get the job back….
Good stuff, except the Ponder thing, Lol.
23jordan says:
February 28, 2012 at 3:56 pm
If Kap is inaccurate as Smith, he may never win this job. If Smith keeps caddying for JH, Kap will never get a chance! Lol
SMH.
Nice BigP….
So after 1000 predictions disparaging Alex, one comes to fruition and Bay looks like he knows what he is talking about? the entire NFL had no idea CK would be as good as he was, but Bay did, ha.
How about the Carson Palmer, Hasselback, Vince Young, Kevin Kolb assumptions saying they would be better than Alex? Laughable….
I just put it up there because I looked at the link again, I thought the comments by Jordan were vintage. Bay has his share of misses, but he was on target with this one. There were many people that shared the sentiment. Bay didn’t foresee CK’s level of play, he just said that he felt CK would play better than Smith under the same circumstances. Settle down there FDM, I don’t need you threatening anybody with physical violence today.
Fair enough Big p and we dont need you playing blog policeman either. Whats the weather like in Danville today?
I heard it was cloudy with a chance of douche scheduled for later in the evening!
FDM,
I’m not the blog police, I thought the comment was hilarious. I don’t really care, it’s not junior high. You weren’t going to slap anybody, let alone me. You are alright.
Prime,
It’s a beautiful day here. We were talking about predictions, not the weather or your choice of feminine wash, stay on topic. Here is your prediction of the year, since you want to be included in the conversation.
Prime Time says:
November 19, 2012 at 8:38 am
“And when Kaepernick comes out and looks like a deer in headlights tonight and coughs up the ball, it will be an epic night cause then finally you haters will realize he is not ready. I can’t wait to see the egg on your faces later this evening.”
It’s not raining where you live Prime, you are getting pissed on.
Sensitive today Big p?
That is so weak P I think it’s hilarious.
@FDM, a little sensitive, I’d say a lot of women sensitivity going on there. Some people cannot take a joke!
FDM,
Not at all. Print doesn’t always convey the tone. My buddies and I talk crap to each other all the time, it’s similar here.
Prime,
It’s the quote that keeps on giving.
If it makes you feel good P, I can sell you the copyright?
Prime,
I’ll just copy and past it free of charge. Lol, good times.
Past away big guy!
FDM! We will never know about those other qb’s on this team. What we do know is these two comments were right. Sucks for you pal!
Big P,
So Bay was “right” about CK, big deal. How any other QBs has he said the same thing about, over the years? CK just happened to be the back up QB of the 49ers at the time of Bay’s “take” (otherwise known as a knee jerk reaction). His batting average on QBs who could potentially start for the 49ers and be better than Smith is probably somewhere around .100. Not very good, not very good at all. A stopped clock is right twice a day, afterall.
Wow,
look at all the old guy Smithers getting ass hurt over my attempt at humor.
Sad bunch of old bastards. Don’t get your depends bunched up in a wad Smithers. Good times are coming. Arrows up. All in.
And by the way, if I am going to take credit for things I said, lets get them all correct in better detail. I said Crabtree was a beast and he just needed a better QB that gave him the time to develop his routes. I was right. And I said CK would get drafted. I was right. And I said CK would be the starter by 2013 and would immediately be better than Smith.
I was right : )
Yeah me!!!!!!!!!!!!
Nice post big P! come on guys! what don’t you just give some of our fellow blogger credit for having faith in a rookie QB that everyone wanted to trade! Where is the BS or DS these days! I honestly believe DS was a family member of Alex Smith or a stalker!
Chicago,
I think BS tried to get ahead of the Mayan calendar after Smith’s demotion, which signaled the end of the world for her. The beginning of the end was Harbaugh hitting CK’s shoulder pads before the Chicago game. She thought that was a special ritual symbolizing Harbaugh’s faith and belief in Smith. She went Chernobyl in December and hasn’t been heard from since, which is a good thing.
Chicago,
You know what you’d call a stock picker who was right one of ten times? Broke.
That’s what Bay was doing regarding who would ultimately replace Smith. Eventually someone was going to replace Smith, so eventually he was going to be right. So what?
Interesting that the QB that did finally replace Smith is so good, after only ten starts no less. That CK is good, on his way to being elite (by next year, IMO), leaves a lot of room for Smith to be much better than average. No shame in being replaced by greatness.
Here’s another way of looking at it:
Elite > Nearly Elite > Very Good > Good > Average > Below Average > Terrible
If CK is nearly elite (IMO, he is, easily), then there’s room for Smith to be very good or good.
Ex,
I am glad you continue to post this garbage. I’ll be sure and put it in your face next year when you continue to be wrong about everything.
You grumpy old guys just don’t learn. You epitomize the saying you can’t teach old dogs new tricks.
Bay,
You’ll put it in my face for being wrong?! That’s a riot. I’m not saying I can’t be wrong, no, but you have raised being wrong to an art form.
That you were “right” about CK replacing AS is only a function of CK being Smith’s back up at the time. If Bozo the clown was Smith’s back up, you would’ve predicted that he would replace Smith, too.
By the way, weren’t you the one who initially said you didn’t like CK taking over for Smith after Smith was injured, and that this was Smith’s year? Let’s all remember that you said this long after your “brilliant” prediction that AS would be replaced by CK if he ever got injured. By any logical measure, your more recent proclamation that 2012 was Smith’s year supersedes your previous guess, er, prediction.
You are a hoot! Thanks for all the laughs!
Datone Jones – reminds me of Roy Barker back in the day. True DE with power…let JS mentor the kid…beautiful.
Margus Hunt – 6-8, 285 lbs. with a 36 inch vertical…this guys will kill it at the combine and the Raiders will take him with their first pick. Too bad, would love him in red & gold.
Stedman Bailey – too small … may as well lineup L. James in the slot … which wouldn’t be a bad idea.
I agree Paul, Datone Jones fits the mould of a Roy Barker, maybe even better potential as a pass rusher than Barker. Barker was a 4-3 DE. I like Jones, but I really do wonder if 3-4 is the best fit for him.
In saying that, I’ve seen quite a few reports suggesting he should easily be able to add 10-20 pounds in his lower body without affecting his power, agility and speed, so he could be ideal.
Sorry Rib,
I think it was Harbaugh that told him. And uhhh he wasn’t lying.
ribico says:
February 8, 2012 at 1:07 pm
Hmmm.
“The quarterback recently told the Reno Gazette-Journal that coach Jim Harbaugh told him he’d have a chance to compete with Alex Smith for the starting spot this offseason.”
“Someone told me coach Harbaugh said it’s an open job,” Kaepernick said, via The San Francisco Chronicle.”
Which is it, CK? Harbaugh told you that? Or someone said that Harbaugh said that? Or maybe a friend of a friend of a friend of Harbaugh’s golf caddy said that?
Wheeew and the laughs keep coming. Thank Gawd this is all coming to an end with smith, but classic asshat comments like these will never get old.
MD, without the context of the WHOLE comment thread, we don’t know all of the details so you can’t take any of this seriously.
Really?
rocket says:
February 29, 2012 at 9:46 am
Sorry Bay but this is one of those opinions passed off as fact you tend to throw out and I have to call you on it. How in the world can you make a statment like this when 5 other QB’s were taken before him and the Niners didn’t trade up to take him until Dalton was picked by the Bengals?
I’m sure Harbaugh likes him and feels he can turn him into a good pro, but to say he chose him over every other QB in the draft is pure nonsense. They took him because they had no QB’s on the roster and he was the last of a group of QB’s that dropped off dramatically once he was gone. That’s why they traded up for him.
Rocket correcting people when he’s wrong again. He should stop correcting in absolutes.
And it appears you still need to get over the fact I posted a number of things you were wrong about Grant. Telling Bay his opinion disguised as fact was off base is not smug, and it wasn’t wrong either. If you can prove to me that Harbaugh picked Kap over every other QB taken in the draft I’d be happy to hear it or in this case read it.
Welcome back, Rocket. I absolutely missed you.
Rocket,
it’s documented that he told his father the day before the draft that he was drafting Kaepernick.
His father asked if CK was the best QB in the draft and Harbaugh responded that he was the best football player in the draft.
Rocket,
Harbaugh did work Kaepernick out in Reno. He also gushed to the media about the other QB’s in the draft including Blaine Gabbert, Cam Newton and Jake Locker. He didn’t do that with CK. He worked him out, kept his thoughts low key and moved up to draft the guy. Trent Baalke said he was trying to get back into the first via trade with the Patriots to select CK, but the Patriots apparently wanted too much in compensation for the pick. I think he got exactly who he wanted, although it wasn’t as clear at the time. Thankfully, it worked out.
Rocket
You are powered by hot air and running on fumes. Perhaps it’s time you consider some alternative energy for your journey through the next season. I recommend a diet high in avian proteins. And stay away from the elevated conversations. You know what happened to Icarus.
Bay,
So you think he wanted Kap more than the guy he described as Plutonium? You think he thought he was the best player in the draft when they waited until a few picks passed in the second round before trading up for him? Seems to me if you think you have a shot at the best QB in the draft you take him with your first pick or you at least trade up into the first to make sure he isn’t there a second time around for others to take ahead of you.
There’s no doubt Harbaugh liked him and thought he could be great and he’s turned out fantastic, but at the time you made that statement it was nothing more than you taking a shot at Alex Smith yet again and saying something as fact that was your opinion.
If you really feel the need to go back and turn up previous posts how about we go to Harbaughs first season. I bet we could find some gems hidden away in there.
BigP,
I agree he got who he wanted. My point is simply it’s easy to say he’s the guy and the best in the draft when you know you have no chance at the other guys. Bay’s comment wasn’t based on any info or film study. It was based on the fact he wanted somebody other than Alex to start.
Rocket,
Jack Harbaugh was qouted (in a variety of media outlets) saying that his son thought Kaep was the best QB and best player in the draft. Here is one such link:
http://www.usatoday.com/story/gameon/2013/02/01/colin-kaepernick-2011-draft-jim-harbaugh-jack-coaches-show/1885181/
Rocket,
“Seems to me if you think you have a shot at the best QB in the draft you take him with your first pick…”
Not if you feel that you can get him later. It is all about percieved value, and while Harbaugh was clearly very high on CK, many others were not so they waited…
JPN001,
I agreed with that when Bay posted it. What I’m saying is they didn’t proceed like they believed that. Harbaugh says a lot of things such as Alex Smith is a Probowler or Crabtree has the best hands he’s ever seen. In this case he told his Dad Kap was the best player in the draft. On draft day, they didn’t act like a team that felt that way is all I’m saying.
I guess there could have been a scenario where he was that focused on Kap but was overruled by Baalke. Either way the comment that Bay referenced from me was not a knock on Kap; it was a response to Bay stating something based on his feelings for the player who was ahead of Kap.
And the know it all is back. Same old routine rocket. Do yourself a favor an do what your hero Claude does. Copy and paste others articles and others posts. At least you’ll look like you know something. This is what happens to folks who let others tell them their right. Problem is those others weren’t. Ouch rocket. Stop while you’re still visible in the rear view buddy!
*theyre right
You guys do realize that the link Bay posted was from last year and the story about Jim tellings his Dad about CK is from earlier this month right?
I do realize that, philly9er.
Of course, I am sure you realize that in a post above from today (February 20, 2013 at 1:45 pm), Rocket wrote, “If you can prove to me that Harbaugh picked Kap over every other QB taken in the draft I’d be happy to hear it or in this case read it.”
The link I provided, while it does not rise to level proof, is probative evidence that addresses Rocket’s instant request for a proffer of proof, and is thus pertinent to the current discussion.
Welcome back, Rocket. I absolutely missed you.
Hey now. I didn’t get a welcome back from you after I came back from being M.I.A. Where’s the love Grant? lol
JPN001,
Bay is taking a trip down memory lane to try and give his ego a boost and I’m not going to be privy to it, simple as that. I’m a pretty stubborn guy, but moreso when somebody trys to portray themselves as having been right about something retroactively.
As to the subject at hand, do I think Harbaugh thought Kap was the best player in draft? Sure, at least before the second round when he talked to his father, but would he have taken Kap over Newton if he had the choice? I doubt it. Harbaugh is an excercise in hyperbole when he talks about players. He liked Kap a lot, but when the team doesn’t trade up into the 1st round or at least to the top of the second, and wait until a 5th QB is taken before making a move, it tells me either he didn’t need to have Kap as much as he said he did or Baalke didn’t. Either way they didn’t act like a team that valued the player as much as the nice story from Pops Harbaugh said they did.
md,
How’s the petition to have Staley removed from the team for smiling after a sack coming?
Rocket,
My second post was in response to philly9er’s query on whether we were aware that your original post that Bay referenced was from 11 months prior. I was just letting him know that I, at least, was aware of that but was responding to your current post.
I also understand your position with respect to the 49ers draft day behavior (and I even share your assessment that Baalke may not have had the same opinion as Harbaugh at that time), but I don’t find your opinion to be more compelling than the hearsay offered by Jack Harbaugh in this instance. I mean no offense, but this is something on which I doubt we will find agreement.
Easy does it Bay. Everyone, well almost everyone, is wrong every now and then. Some make it an art form…
Good for a laugh….
Hoferfan67 says:
March 15, 2012 at 10:31 am
I’ve been saying all along that it is a possibility. JH knows and likes what he has with AS and why not get top value for CK? He wants to start now and he won’t for the 9ers. This FO is smarter than we know.
They are indeed smarter than you know.
This is sad. At first, I thought Bay had linked linked to that blog post merely to brown-nose Grant. But, after BigP reprinted that one comment of Bay’s in which the blind squirrel found an acorn, it became obvious why Bay did it: to build up his own damaged self-esteem.
Well, that’s not entirely true. He is also using it to settle scores against people like rocket and ribico, who have made him look foolish in multiple arguments on this site, and against Hofer, whose only crime was not to agree with Bay. But, it’s clear why he linked to it. My dog isn’t this easy to read.
Bay, did I hurt your feelings? Did those things LSX said about you damage your fragile self-esteem? We’re sorry. We didn’t realize we were going to make you feel so worthless that you had to go find that blog post you bookmarked so that you could show everyone the one comment you made about quarterbacking that was right. See, you are not wrong all the time! Yaaay Bay!!!!
Claude
Man up. The comment above by Bay on Hofer is classic Smither-AntiSmither stuff, and for sh*tsNgiggles it is rightly, ahem, copied and pasted. You need not be affronted by another’s use of your bread and butter move.
@ P_B_L_:
You’re behind. Try to keep up. I have no objection to reminding people of positions they previously took, particularly if they are trying to disavow those positions now. For me, it usually is about exposing hypocrisy and not screaming “I know more than you,” but different strokes for different folks.
This was something different, something sadder. After he got blasted by a couple of commenters on the blog for not knowing what he was talking about, Bay ran out and unearthed an old blog post that just happened, completely coincidentally, to have in it one of the few QB-related debates where Bay wrote something that wasn’t completely wrong. He clearly has it saved as a bookmark in his browser, and he brought it out today to show everybody that he does too know something about football. It was all a big damaged-ego stroke by Bay, and would have been funny if it wasn’t so pathetic.
Claude,
I was actually laughing at the comments by Jordan more than anything. When it comes to Alex Smith on this blog, I’ve learned that predictions are more like throwing crap against the wall and hoping it sticks. Going off of his history, Bay’s comments most likely were fueled by his dislike of Smith more than his belief in CK at the time. No big deal, I’d buy anybody a beer on here. We all love the Niners.
@ BigP:
Bay’s comments most likely were fueled by his dislike of Smith more than his belief in CK at the time.
No doubt. He’s still stuck on Smith. Look at his comments today. Harbaugh didn’t go with Kaepernick because of Kap’s transcendent, all-encompassing skill set. Harbaugh “replaced” Smith because Smith wasn’t measuring up.
CB
Will you do me a favor and find what PBL wrote on this page? I’m working on a deadline and can only access via iPhone, which has no find function. There will be several posts; please find and repost here the one that most accurately conveys his opinion on the matter at hand! Thanks!
http://49ers.pressdemocrat.com/2012/02/inside-the-49ers/in-five-years-who-will-be-the-best-nfl-qbs/
I don’t need to go back. Your best comment was when you said of my comments “I like it when smart people bring facts.”
It’s pretty much been down hill from there.
Thre were zingers aplenty, I’m sure. And f* ck you
Bay,
Good try, but not quite the same significance without the FULL context of the comment thread, especially when I was responding to Grant and the operative word is “possibility”:
Grant Cohn says:
March 15, 2012 at 10:28 am
Someone just asked me this question on twitter: Now that it appears the Browns will draft Tannehill @4, what are the chances the Dolphins trade the No. 8 pick for Kaepernick? You could argue that Kaepernick’s a better QB with higher upside than Tannehill.
Hoferfan67 says:
March 15, 2012 at 10:31 am
I’ve been saying all along that it is a possibility. JH knows and likes what he has with AS and why not get top value for CK? He wants to start now and he won’t for the 9ers. This FO is smarter than we know.
It’s even funnier with the comment from Grant, Hofer. LoL
I’m here for your entertainment. :)
And you rarely disappoint
Jack, so that falls in line with everyone else here. Who is correct all of the time?
God.
Some more than others….
All in good fun guys. I love going back and looking at all the absolutes.
Clod, now you are a not just an old lawyer but also a therapist? Give it a rest dude.
Absolutes like the 9ers get back to the SB and win?
I’d like to see them get a sixth Lombardi Hof, but it is going to be more difficult to do so.
MidWest,
The 9ers will be competitive with JH and CK, but getting back is not easy. Just ask DMarino.
Why do you think it will be more difficult MidWest?
I believe that the NFC West will be tougher to win. The Saints will be back to what they were before Bountygate. The Redskins made it to the playoffs despite being injury plagued, including both their starting DEs. Imagine how they will be when healthy. The Falcons have only a few minor tweaks that need to be made on their roster and will still probably make the playoffs next season. And this just the NFC Jack. In the AFC you always have to worry about the Patriots. The Texans will have a fully recovered Cushing that will make that defense a force to be reckoned with. It was obvious how intergral he was to this unit after he went down. The Ravens have a potential offensive juggernaut that can offset the losses on the defensive side. And finally the fact that DCs will study the pistol and learn how to counter it. I don’t think that it is impossible to win it all next season, but it will be more difficult than it was this season.
Jack, do you think it will be a cakewalk?
Thanks for the quick reponse MidWest. The return of Payton should help the Saints, but they have issues on the defensive side and are going to their 3rd DC in as many years while switching to a 3-4.
The Redskins fortunes will depend on the health of RGIII.
The Falcons have almost no run game, and may or may not have Gonzales back (huge).
As for the NFC West, the 49ers won only 3 divisional games last year so it is going to be a battle, however the Cardinals are in transition, and the Rams will be a perennial .500 team with Fisher, leaving it between Seattle and SF.
Not worried about the Patriots or Ravens. If they play either of them they have made it back to the Super Bowl. The Texans, and Colts, the top 2 AFC teams they will face in the regular season both visit Candlestick.
With the exception of road trips to Seattle, New Orleans, and Washington the schedule sets up nicely for a repeat.
DC’s catching up to the Pistol? Nah. The way the 49ers run it, they can run almost their entire base offense from that formation. It is doing them a disservice to imply the success last year was do to catching opponents off guard. Especially in the playoffs.
Don’t be a goof Hofer. Of course it won’t be a cakewalk, it never is, but that doesn’t mean it will be MORE difficult.
Jack, of course it will be more difficult. For example, just within the division, the Rams handled the 9ers twice in 2012 and they have two (2) first round picks this draft. Seattle will continue to be tough especially given the fact that RWilson was a rookie and will continue to grow as an NFL QB. The 9ers will be lucky to split those 4 games. The 9ers will be competitive, but the window is getting smaller and defenses will catch up to the pistol in 2013.
Funny how when Alex was QB Hofers glass was half full. Now with CK it’s half empty.
The Saints will still have to build a run game and rebuild a porous defense.
Atlanta will have to work on a run game and rebuild a porous defense.
The Rams games should have both been won. We will have a better kicker and an offense with a seasoned QB that will be amongst the most dangerous in the NFL.
I hope we are able to pull a trade for Revis. It will be a move similar to what we did with Dieon Sanders. A one year rental.
We have two shots at getting back to the superbowl and then things will get difficult. We will begin to have to pay our offensive line and QB big money. That is when the problems will truly begin.
Every season is tough, but this is the best team in the Conference, with one of the best young QB’s in the league, arguably the best offensive line in the league, and a top flight defense.
Will they be back in the Super Bowl? I am going to Vegas next month and will be putting $100 on them.
Pundits and fans alike seem to have two major misconceptions with regard to the pistol: one misconception about the pistol offense, and one misconception about how the 49ers have integrated pistol concepts into their offense.
Let’s address the overarching misconception about the pistol offense first. The pistol offense is not inherently a spread offense or a read-option offense. It is, first and foremost, a formation that conceals the running back, limiting the ability of the defense to read the direction of a running play, and places the QB four yards behind center, allowing more time to read the defense while preserving the ability to have a north-south running game (as opposed to the east-west running game used in a traditional shotgun). Form the pistol formation, an offense can run any play, from heavy run packages to quick-strike spread concepts. I would suggest looking for interviews with Coach Ault about the creation and implementation of the pistol at Nevada. He explains all of this much, much better than I can (as an example, see this video interview, starting at the 1:35 mark: http://www.nfl.com/videos/nfl-am/0ap2000000129615/Chris-Ault-on-Kaepernick).
It is also worth noting that not all colleges that run a pistol offense use all the same concepts. The pistol formation is more about creating a strategic advantage then it is about using any specific play or plays. Several colleges running the pistol to do not use, or do not heavily use, read-option concepts in their version of the pistol, but this is the part of the offense most discussed, and most disparaged, by NFL analysts and fans. Yes, having the read-option concepts integrated make the pistol more dangerous, but it is not an offense that relies on those concepts.
Now, let’s look at how the 49ers use the pistol formation. As Jack noted above, the 49ers do not run a pistol offense – in a pistol offense, the majority of the offensive snaps (if not all of them) are run out of the pistol formation. The 49ers do not do this. They incorporate the pistol formation as part of a more traditional offense. This contrasts with Washington, as they, near the end of the season, were running a pistol offense rather than just using the pistol formation. Furthermore, the 49ers run a greater variety of plays from the pistol formation than Washington does.
Like Coach Ault, I do believe that NFL defenses will figure out the pistol offense, and I doubt a team running a pistol offense will find nearly the success next year that they may have found this year. However, I do not think that will mean the end of the pistol formation, especially as the 49ers use it. By mixing the pistol formation with under center and shotgun formations, the 49ers will force teams to prepare for all of those possibilities, including the read-option concepts used form the pistol formation. If Kaep develops better touch on the short passes and more West Coast concepts can be integrated into the offense, the 49ers offense could well be one of the more prolific, if not the most prolific, scoring offenses in the league next year (although I think Seattle will be right up there as well).
JPN001,
That was highly informative and interesting, with no self promotion or disdain for an opposing viewpoint…are you sure you posted it in the right forum?
Which just goes to show they are smarter than we know, besides which they can see behind the veil and we can’t. So much of what we say here is speculation.
Grant, what do you think the chances are of the top rated QBs in this year’s draft lasting to the late 1st round/ early 2nd round? The teams that are QB needy are all picking early in the 1st, and there is plenty of conjecture that this year’s QB class isn’t worthy of picks that high.
If this happens there could be potential for some trade back scenarios if the 49ers are interested. Looks like there will be plenty of good talent in the 2nd and 3rd rounds.
I should qualify that with, if the 49ers made such a move (i.e., dropping back to the early 2nd round), they could probably get an extra 4th rounder, providing ammunition to really move around in the 2nd and 3rd rounds to get the players they want.
I wasn’t big on trying to get Revis but now we have to: http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2013/02/20/darrelle-revis-richard-sherman-runs-his-mouth-like-a-girl/
Would really look forward to those Seattle games.
His act is getting old. NFL seems to have some Sherman related BS on every day now. Still, if the 49ers had drafted him we wouldn’t be discussing trading for Revis.
Exactly.
Razor, do you ever wonder why Baalke/Harbaugh haven’t drafted a Stanford player? Yeah, they’ve brought a few in as UDFA’s, but all of them have been PS players that went to other teams except Thomas – so far. It just seems weird that other teams seem to value them more than the guy that coached them in college.
Yea I don’t understand it. Grant says Harbaugh didn’t like Sherman.
I think Sherman doesn’t like Harbaugh.
Grant, but why do you think there is a reluctance for drafting Stanford players? I think Chase Thomas would be a pretty good mid-round pick for the 49ers, but I have doubts that they’ll draft him. Do you think that is an Baalke or Harbaugh influence?
And do you know why Grant?
I know Baalke likes big, strong players. Those are more prevalent in the SEC and other conferences. Stanford is an elite academic institution, most of those guys would be successful if they were unable to play football. Academics is more important at Stanford, some of these other schools prioritize football to the extreme. You could go to many of the big football factories and find many players that barely do anything academically for four or five years, but they are a stud football player. Their football careers will define their life. Football is what they eat, sleep and breathe. I think many football people want those type of players, especially Harbaugh. He thrives on that.
I too like those type of football players. Sherman seems to me to be one of those players.
I agree, but he also seems like an ass.
@BigP That’s because he’s on the 49ers arch division rival.
Razor,
I thought it was his annoying personality and testing positive for PED’s, my bad. Lol.
I would absolutely love to have him on the Niners CFC, but in order to sign him to a long term deal or an extension the team would have to have over half of the roster restructure their contracts.
PFF Breaks down the Revis vs Sherman argument: https://www.profootballfocus.com/blog/2013/01/25/shutdown-corners-richard-sherman-v-darrelle-revis/
bottom line: Revis is better but Sherman doesn’t suck.
I thought this was pretty interesting though and I thought that even though they mention it they didn’t give it enough weight in their assessment in my opinion: “Sherman plays almost exclusively left cornerback in the Seahawks’ defense, while Revis will track No. 1 receivers across the field and into the slot. Sherman has only done that sparingly this season, and heavily on only one occasion — against, Stevie Johnson, Revis’ biggest test. There is no doubt that Revis is asked to do more, drawing an opponent’s toughest receiver on almost every play, while Sherman has to rely on them being lined up to the open side of the formation or in a two-receiver set to the left slot.”
Targeting Chris Clemson as someone to bring in, certainly to replace Whitner but maybe as Goldsons replacement. He arguably had a better year then Whitner:
Goldson 69 tckl 11 pdef 3 int
Clemson 98 tckl 4pdef 2int.
Clemson is coming off of his rookie contract so he’ll wanna get paid but will expect to get top money?
Edit: “he arguably had a better year then Goldson”
Oops, brain fart. It’s Clemons, not Clemson.
Glover Quin or Kenny Phillips would be worth a look too. Kenny Phillips would be a great pick up if his knee checks out.
I’m interested to see what the market for LaRon Landry is like too.
I picked Clemons because he seems more like a Baalke type. Phillips is a bigger name and will probably be the top S FA if Goldson doesn’t hit the market and maybe will be anyway.
I’m thinking the Pats are going to end up signing him. They can’t afford to lose a decent CB.
I mean Landry for the Pats, they’ll end up signing him.
My friends who are Dolphins fans aren’t afraid of losing Chris Clemons. While he doesn’t get burned very often, they feel like he makes zero plays in the secondary.
claude balls says:
February 21, 2013 at 9:19 am
“While he doesn’t get burned very often, ”
That’s enough, it would have won us the SB. Besides he made more tackles then Goldson and only had one less INT so I’m not sure what they mean by not making a lot of plays.
Goldson 69 tckl 11 pdef 3 int
Clemons 98 tckl 4pdef 2int.
He had 29 more tackles, that’s kind of a lot. Big difference in pass defended but nearly 30 more tackles and one less INT then Goldson tells me that he makes more then enough plays.
“My friends who are Dolphins fans aren’t afraid of losing Chris Clemons.”
I hope the Dolphins feel the same way because I think this kid could be an ideal replacement for either one of our safeties. Hopefully he’s not looking for a home run on this next contract.
Let”s open up a new topic. What position do you guys think the team should address with their pick and why? I think it should be the DT position. Although we need to find Cowboy’s eventual replacement, the decline in Soap’s play and the possibility of losing RFJ in free agency puts this position in a more pressing need to be filled.
Fangio likes guys that can play both the DT and DE position. Both Jenkins from Georgia and Williams from Alabama can do just that.
So you think DT/DE Razor? Why that over say a WR or CB?
I’d like to see them take Jenkins or Hankins from Ohio St if they stay pat at 31. Fills a need at a critical position with a premier player, and there isn’t a WR or CB that supersedes that value in my opinion.
There is a lot of talented DTs or 3-4 DEs in this year’s draft, and the 49ers need some help at the position, so seems like a good year to take one early. Not so big a fan of Jesse Williams, I think he is strictly a 2-down player and NT in the 3-4.
I like the look of Kawann Short – has played NT, DT and DE in a 4-3. He hasn’t played any 5-technique that I am aware of, but I think he can play that position too. He’s strong, solidly built and has a huge wingspan (so can keep OTs off his body). Good pass rusher. Needs to work on his conditioning and consistency, but a good prospect IMO.
So far it is DT 3, the other positions 0.
This is why we will be back to the ship next year. First and foremost, our defensive issues will get fixed. We will add depth and be more experienced. Even if we add nothing on offense and just bring back the players we had, we will be unstoppable. We will have a healthy hunter back. We will have Kaepernick with a full training camp as a starter. We will have a coaching staff with a better understanding of how to use him. My prediction is the Niners will be the number one scoring offense in the league next season. Slightly ahead of the Patriots. The Falcons will be third and the Seahawks will be fourth.
If our Dline can return to putting pressure on NFL QB’s, we will return to the superbowl no doubt.
that high of a scoring offense with the same players? i dont see that happening unless we upgrade the #2 receiver position.
I agree with you about that position, assuming Manningham can’t come back the way he was. Maybe Lockette will be their solution. Not sure about Moss. If Hunter comes back full strength, I think they will try James in the slot. Waste of talent just returning kicks.
Decent article on the integration of the pistol offense….. Love that they mention Don Coryell and Bill Walsh as early innovators in the NFL.
http://sports.yahoo.com/blogs/nfl-shutdown-corner/cosell-evolution-nfl-offense-173927009–nfl.html
I didn’t see the word “early” in the article. You might want to remember that the league was 40 years old when Coryell became HC and almost 60 when Walsh did. There was a lot of innovation before these guys worked their magic.
Here’s a funny one I posted in March…..
bayareafanatic says:
March 21, 2012 at 6:31 pm
Alex Smith hitting free agency reminds me of the movie Hall Pass. Hall Pass is a movie about a group of married guys that get a “hall pass” from their wives and get to go out and for one night “hook up” with women and do whatever they want. Only when they hit the town, no women wanted them hahaha.
Alex upset and feeling jilted when he hit free agency said to himself, ” I’ll show them”. His agent announced he was “available”. You could hear the crickets….
Then Seattle said, hey ummm, forget it we found a backup we like better than you. And then Miami said, ah $hit no one wants to play here. Crap lets call Alex betcha he’ll come. Every other team in the entire NFL took a pass….
Well, he may be garbage, but he’s our garbage and dangit, he’s good enough, he’s smart enough and gosh darnit, Harbaugh likes him……
This stuff just gets better and better lol.
Hoferfan67 says:
March 22, 2012 at 9:48 am
“And please, don’t say Colin Kaepernick is ready and has a stronger arm and is a better dancer in the pocket and could lead the Niners to the Super Bowl.
No. And then again, no.
Kaepernick is a virtual rookie. And it doesn’t matter how many snaps he took in practice or that Jim Harbaugh may or may not love him. Kaerpernick is not ready. He is not the answer. He doesn’t even figure in the question.”
@ Bay:
I look forward to the day when you don’t have to go back 11 months to find something you were right about or something Hofer was wrong about.
Claude,
I wasn’t wrong here and that’s not my writing style. Bay cut and pasted a quote of someone else (he includes the quotations) and left OFF the part I actually wrote below it. smh
@ Hofer:
I am shocked, absolutely shocked, to read that Bay was misleading with his presentation of the facts. That’s NEVER happened before.
Okay, it happens all the time.
Typical Bay, scrambling to make himslef look like he knew all along about CK. The new blog jester without a doubt.
And typical FDM. No different than any other Smither. Wrong, time after time after time.
FDM says:
October 25, 2012 at 8:27 am
Run the same plays? How many drives has CK led? All is he doing is running the option which worked one game, the Jets. He threw one rope to MM during the Giants and after that he has looked like a backup. His time will come, when we trade him for picks next year to move up and get a stud defensive linemen.
Here is FDM telling everyone that we’ve seen the last of the read option. I wonder what we won the Packer playoff game with?
FDM says:
October 25, 2012 at 8:31 am
Its a terrible play. When they ran it against SEA on the 3rd and long, it was evident teams have scoped it out and it does not work anymore. I would be surprised to see anyone, CK or AS run it again.
Well it did nothing against the Ravens so that tells me that teams that had a chance to game plan for it, were successful in scheming for it.
See what happens in sports Bay is that once teams have film on you, you have to adapt and make plays outside of your strengths. CK didnt do that in the SB. He was ineffective in running the ball and made throws that were one read otions primarily.
For you to say he is a franchise QB so quickly makes me wonder if you just started watching the NFL game a year ago. Lets see what he does in a full season against a 1st play schedule and plenty of film for teams to study before we start throwing out franchise QB labels, okay?
FDM,
CK carried this team to the Super Bowl. He is absolutely a franchise QB. The defense was supposed to be elite and the strength of the team. They did not play well in the playoffs. They played much worse in the playoffs than the regular season, while the offense played much better. CK played very well, phenomenally well when you consider that he only started half a season. He is superior to Smith in every way, which is why Harbaugh named him the starter. You rip Bay for having an ego because he is claiming he was right, yet you can’t admit you were wrong. How hypocritical is that? For whatever reason, you were unable to see Smith for what he was, a decent QB that played well with great coaching. You know that Harbaugh talks out of his ass to the media, yet you used his spoken words to the media about Smith as validation for your argument. You ignored the Manning chase and the crappy contract. You ignored the writing on the wall. Now you are trying to slight CK again because of your ego. Just admit you were wrong and move on.
Bay is your ego really this fragile that you have to dig through the archives to try and find a time when you could be perceived to be right about something?
Yes.
The answer to that question Rocket starts with a loud, boisterous laugh and ends in a YES!
The dude looks to stroke himself telling us how much he thinks he knows. It’s great comedy.
Bay,
That was a quote that I referenced that you pulled from my comment. You better check again for the quotations…
good stuff Grant.
my 2 cents worth: there will be enough competition for Alex to warrant a 2nd or 3rd round pick. the draft is weak at QB, and Alex’s 100+ QBR will be worth something.
we resign DW but not Moss, largely because he has no chemistry with Kaep, and Baalke/Harbaugh will want to rebuild the receiving corps around Kaep’s ability/desires.
I think we resign more of our FAs than you list, but only because NFL caliber players dont grow on trees. we have lots of draft picks, but i’m still hoping we can package them to move up.
This is a good post to easily identify the CK believers and non believers.
http://49ers.pressdemocrat.com/2012/11/inside-the-49ers/report-alex-smith-out-vs-bears-kaepernick-to-start-at-qb/
I think you mean it was a good identication of those fans who hated Alex and guessed like the rest of the football world that CK was an unknown going up against at the time a very good Bears defense and were skeptical.
I think its comical that some fans say they knew all along (Bayareafanatic) that CK was the real deal when they had no idea. How could they? He was very green in traning camp and was actually in a battle for the #2 spot. He had a couple running plays in the first 7 games but that was never enough to say he was ready to be a starter.
So congratulations to all those who “GUESSED” on CK. Now go out and buy a lottery superball ticket.
Not quite FDM. There were a few who paid attention and could see it coming.
And he wasn’t in a battle for the #2 spot. That was his, as evidenced by playing as such throughout the preseason. The battle was for #3.
Poor FDM, wrong again….
FDM,
I was advocating for CK before he was a Niner. I crossed my fingers they would draft him. Just admit like the rest of the Smithers you were wrong a lot about the QB situation and move on.
Here’s one with Rib. Rib, how come you and the Smithers don’t come to CK’s defense the way you came to Alex’s? BTW, nice avatar.
ribico says:
November 8, 2012 at 7:44 am
>>The 49er defense didn’t cause Smith to miss Moss or not throw it to an open Crabtree in the endzone in Minnesota.
Jack, are you saying those isolated plays had more of an effect on the outcome of that game than:
A. A 16 play, 82 yard MN TD drive allowed by the defense to open the game.
B. Followed by an 11 play, 80 yard MN TD drive (capped by a 23 yard Ponder TD scramble)
C. A 12 play, 86 yard MN TD drive in the second half.
D. 140-some yards rushing given up.
Our defense is good, even great, on most occasions. That game they were not. It was a total team letdown.
FDM,
just like Jack you talk about a team melt down when Alex lost. When CK loses it’s on him…. SMH.
FDM says:
November 8, 2012 at 8:06 am
Exactly Prime and in the 2 losses this year some have put it on Alex when in reality, both loses were because of an entire team meltdown. Thats how they win, that is how they lose, the value of team.
Love this one. You are right FDM. With Alex as our QB we were not a “passing team”.
FDM says:
November 8, 2012 at 7:33 am
We are not a passing team.
49er fan or Alex fan? You decide.
FDM says:
December 7, 2012 at 10:14 am
M. Sando reported all 3 TD’s passes thrown by CK have come outside the pocket. How can he be classified as improving pocket passer when this is evident and he wants to run first?
49er fan or Alex fan? You decide.
Hoferfan67 says:
December 7, 2012 at 10:16 am
CK’s numbers are very poor when facing 5 pass rushers and AS leads the league. A work in progress I guess?
More of FDM’s coaching wisdom. Didn’t CK throw for 300 yards in the superbowl from the pocket FDM?
FDM says:
December 7, 2012 at 10:20 am
Hofer if Im the Dolphins I want just a 4 man rush to contain the edges and force CK to play inside the pocket. Its clear he wants to escape and make plays off broken plays. Thats fine but not all the time. He is focusing too much on his athleticism and not the ability to sit and read and let plays develop from the pocket.
2012 was not a good year for FDM’s predictions.
FDM says:
December 7, 2012 at 11:04 am
No vertical passes for TD’s. Most productive plays have been runs and plays of 36 to VD and 57 to KW was in the the Bears game and the 40 to MM was all YAC.
We are seeing a decline in the production because teams now have film on him and it seems the pressure is becoming a factor as evidence in his decision making and turnovers.
Once again, I have nothing against CK, it was just a bad time to insert him as a starter and place the expectation of a superbowl on him. Reality not biased Bay.
@Blindsquirrelfanatic:
How were the “Smithers” wrong about the QB situation? Alex Smith obviously can play QB in the NFL and win. You said he couldn’t. He was good enough for the 49ers to beat good defenses. You said he wasn’t. He was good enough for the 49ers to match up against and beat high-octane offenses. You said they couldn’t.
Seems to me that the guy who was consistently wrong about QB stuff was you. Do I have to go through that long list of stuff you were wrong about YET AGAIN? And yet you now want to point fingers because you got one thing right?
Pathetic little man keeps getting more pathetic.
Wrong much?
FDM says:
December 7, 2012 at 11:21 am
Bays says “FDM,
we can argue till the sun goes down but at the end of the day Harbaugh sees more value, upside or whatever you want to call it in CK.”
He may indeed see that Bay, but it does not mean it was the right decision. Just because he ses this, we are not to forget this was the year we needed to get to the Superbowl because every position is ready to compete for one. Is the QB position, TBA?
Hammer says “Not quite FDM. There were a few who paid attention and could see it coming”
Really? Fortune tellers, spirits of the future, NFL scouts, or coaches inside the 49ers lockerroom? Which one of these three are they Jack?
Exactkly, none of the aboove just fans predicting. Kinda like darts, throw and hope for the best outcome.
Clod,
shut your pie hole. When I’d list something that was a bit off you were all over me. Now I am pulling a Clod, pointing out inaccuracies in peoples statements and you are still all over me. Crawl back into your retired legal hole Clod. Figure out a new role in the room. One that provides value clown.
FDM says:
December 7, 2012 at 11:32 am
Bay AL and CK are not in the category. AL has had entire year to develop and work through the growing pains. CK will not have seen or played enough to be fully prepared for playoff football with only 7 starts.
Bayarea says I say
“FDM says:
December 7, 2012 at 10:20 am
Hofer if Im the Dolphins I want just a 4 man rush to contain the edges and force CK to play inside the pocket. Its clear he wants to escape and make plays off broken plays. Thats fine but not all the time. He is focusing too much on his athleticism and not the ability to sit and read and let plays develop from the pocket.
Well genius, how did the 49ers win that game? A busted edge contain by the Dolphins that led to a run by CK. Careful what you quote but once again, facts get in the way with your arguements as you have been told countless times on the board.
@Babyareafanatic:
When you made up statistics or otherwise misrepresented the facts (lies), I called you on it. When you expressed “values” that directly contradicted previously-stated “values” (hypocrisy), I called you on it.
When you told Hofer and other supporters of the team’s starting QB that they didn’t know as much as you about football (misguided and unfounded arrogance), I called you on it by showing you the many ways in which that wasn’t true.
But I never went through your months old comments looking for mistakes so that I could get my kicks pointing out your errors. Until you, no one ever did that. You know why? Because it serves no useful purpose and is a huge waste of time. Seriously, what’s the point? To satisfy some ridiculous juvenile revenge fantasy?
And I thought you couldn’t get more pathetic.
There’s something I was wrong about.
FDM,
give Jack some love. He was right.
FDM says:
November 26, 2012 at 11:07 am
Jack says “Because Kaepernick is a better quarterback and this team won’t reach the Super Bowl this season with Smith”
Absolutely, positively, no doubt about it?
Jack,
this monkey tried to bet you. You should have taken that bet.
Prime Time says:
November 26, 2012 at 11:56 am
@ Tarzan don’t be so sensitive and cry to Grant. You sound like another little cry baby named Bayarea. If you don’t like it, too bad!
@Jack, you wanna bet the Niners don’t win a Super Bowl with CK? Cash?
Ummm Bay, the Niners lost in the SB with CK at QB just in case you forgot.
BTW, name calling just means you have been defeated. The story of your life.
This guy knew what he was talking about…..
bayareafanatic says:
October 4, 2012 at 8:45 am
FDM,
Harbaugh rolled the dice this year and last. No experienced backup. CK is getting close. I think JH knows that he needs to get him some experience instead of just throwing him out there to see if he’ll sink or swim.
I also think that they are willing to live with the limitations in Smith’s game until CK is ready. I also think that they wanted to see if Smith could grow in the areas in which he is deficient.
Agree or disagree doesn’t matter to me. I no longer listen to what Harbaugh says, I look at his actions. The vertical pass to WR has been non existent from Smith, so he brought in CK to chuck one to Moss. The scoring in the redzone has been putrid with Smith at QB, so he brought in CK in the redzone. Speaks volumes no matter what anyone thinks.
Clearly, he didn’t. And he still doesn’t understand what happened.
Prime,
The defense choked throughout the playoffs. You ignore this fact because it makes you feel justified in taking shots at CK. Had Smith been the QB, you would be blaming the defense for giving up 34 points. That is a fact. You Smither’s have said so many negative things about CK that it is ridiculous, yet you still have the nerve to refer to others as haters. You hate the guy so much that when you get booted off of the blog, you come back under different screen names to continue your rants. Now you are ripping Bay for name calling, saying he is defeated. Did you feel defeated after mocking MsClemon’s wife’s cancer? Of course not, because you aren’t even man enough to admit you made the comments. “It wasn’t me.” Yes it was and Grant confirmed it, which is why you got kicked off of the blog. Isn’t that right Prime/Randy/Santa/Axel? The only thing worse than that is the fact that after Grant confirmed that you were posting under the tag Randy, you provided this gem:
Randy says:
December 24, 2012 at 10:21 am
Grant…why don’t you prove to everybody that Prime and I are the same person…YOU CAN’T,BECAUSE WE ARE NOT…no offense Prime,but I don’t want to be associated with you…I have my own problem with Neal to deal with..
Lol, SMH. Sociopathic behavior at it’s finest.
P get a grip man! You have no idea and its pointless conversing with you. Good luck to you!
Prime,
Keep chasing your tail.
Big P, I guess it better than being bitter like some of you haters have been. Whatever you need to feel like you know the game or were right about CK, keep telling yourselves that. everyoe on the board knows who the smart football fans are, and the one that guess and and are fairweather.
Now go to your classic card of how I threatened you physically cry baby.
@ Jack:
You think so? With a couple of exceptions, it mainly reads like a lot of hopeful anxiety. Most people didn’t know what to expect. But, yes Jack, you were one of the earliest true believers.
Is this going to be the new trend? We go back months ago and find posts in which we correctly predicted something and link to those posts to show everyone else how smart we are?
When did this group get so needy?
That seems to be the way things are headed Claude.
There appears to be a lot of underlying resentment built up by the Anti-Smithers and it’s now coming to a head. The war of Smith vs. (insert any number of names here) will continue in infamy.
Jack, nice job propagating such a redeeming subject.
At some point this blog might manage to go 48 hours without you slapdix arguing about who likes who or who liked who first, because all of that truly really matters.
Claude/Coffee,
Relax, felt this was better than “taking out of context”
and was it?
@Cfc:
I know we squabbled the other day, but that won’t stop me from commending you for posting a grown up message on this subject.
Yep
True Jack. That post is where I got most of my juicy stuff from lol. Love that Clod continues to say I posted tons of inaccuracies. Can you refresh my memory Clod?
By the way, look up the definition of Clod….
No one could know if Kaepurnicus had the “it” inside him until he was in live action. Sure he had all the physical tools, but his slow release was a concern. After the Chicago game I was a believer. If Mr. Sparrow knew he was going to be the real deal beforehand, I don’t have a problem patting him on the back.
I’m surprised every time I see a report that the Cardinals are a consideration as a trade partner for Smith. Why would we consciously make a division rival better? Is the team masochistic, do they like making it harder to win the division? When you factor Alex’s knowledge of our offense into it with the full understanding that they will ask and he will tell when it comes time for them to play us it simply not only doesn’t make sense it in fact sounds like a really bad idea.
Now that I think more about it I realize that it’s imperative for the 49ers to trade Alex simply so they can dictate where he goes or specifically where he doesn’t go.
Jim Harbaugh and his coaching staff were able to design an offense for Smith to succeed. They would also have the plan for defending him. If Arizona offers the highest value, I would have no problem trading him there.
It’s not his play that would bite us, it his knowledge of our playbook that could hurt us.
I don’t think the Niners are worried about facing Smith twice a year, I think they would prefer not to have playbook info shared with a division rival. Makes sense.
Meh, the playbook angle I think is overrated, it won’t be the same exact playbook or plays. Besides, it’s a pretty big book, I doubt the Cardinals could learn it and their own at the same time.
It’s very much not. Rich Gannon has professed plenty of times that one of the reasons that the Raiders got blown out of the Super Bowl is that Oakland didn’t make many changes to their offense after Gruden left and that Warren Sapp was essentially calling out their plays before the snap. If Tampa Bay didn’t have the play knowledge that Gruden brought that could have been a totally different game, or if the Raiders had been intelligent enough to switch offenses.
How many times does a team sign an ex-player from the team they are about to play the week before the game only to cut them shortly there after? The Patriots are famous for this. Alex can tell them what plays we run from what formations, our audible calls, our protection schemes the whole enchilada. Their defense would be teeing off on us all day long.
Not so sure about that CFC. Everybody knew student body right or left was coming from Lombardis’ Packers and no one could stop it.
No one could stop it? that’ must be it was the only play they ran and that must be why it’s the only play that is run today by all teams right? because no one can stop it. Nice example, really applicable.
“Quarterback Alex Smith also figures to be playing elsewhere this season, although the 49ers surely don’t want it to be with the Arizona Cardinals.”
NS, gee what a surprise. Anyone else still think it’s a great idea to trade a former starting QB to a division rival?
http://www.nfl.com/news/story/0ap1000000143554/article/nfl-scouting-combine-what-we-learned-from-day-1
Chris Mortensen is reporting that it is “highly, highly, highly unlikely” that the 49ers will release Alex Smith.
Jack,
As opposed to trading him, or does he mean they will keep him as the backup?
My take is that it means they will retain the right to “deal” him versus cutting him loose to negotiate with the team of his choice.
If he knows something then he should just say it otherwise that statement means absolutely nothing. The 49ers at some point could be forced to release him. If they cant trade him and if Alex refuses to restructure is there really that high of a chance the the 49ers will just eat his current contract, I say zero chance. So again at some point the team may very well be forced to release him.
Don’t underestimte the power of the Paraag.
That’s a pretty good draft Grant, Baalke might be getting nervous. Can you get Eddie Lacy to as insurance on Gore/Hunter?
http://www.nfl.com/news/story/0ap1000000143819/article/cleveland-browns-open-to-trading-brandon-weeden
Welcome to your new team Mr. Smith. You can save the time of trying to convince me he’s going to KC, I’ve heard it a hundred times already and I just don’t agree.
Coffee i agree with you i think AS ends up in cleveland and a 4th rd pick from cleve is not a whole lot different than an extra late 3rd rd pick. If we were to just swap 3rds it is a lot like having an extra late 2nd rd pick to.