A few days ago I explained why this Alex Smith trade to the Chiefs made the most sense. I’m glad Andy Reid read my blog.
I don’t think it will be a problem for Alex Smith to pick up Reid’s system. In the previous seven systems Smith has learned in the NFL, there have been elements and philosophies very similar to Reid’s.
Mike McCarthy, Smith’s first NFL offensive coordinator, most likely had terms similar to what Reid, a disciple of Mike Holmgren from the Green Bay days, uses.
Reid’s terminology probably is more of a pure West Coast system than Harbaugh’s.
Reid’s system is more pass-happy than Harbaugh’s, too. Smith will have a good running back in Jamaal Charles, but Reid often forgets that he has a running attack. Hopefully for Smith, Reid has learned and will not get caught calling 12 consecutive passes. That puts Smith and the offensive line in peril.
Reid’s former quarterbacks include Donovan McNabb, Kevin Kolb, Michael Vick, and Nick Foles. Smith’s smarts easily puts him at the top of that list.
Remember, Smith has learned seven different offensive systems in eight years, so at 28 years old, he should be able to adjust very easily.
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When you posted your 5 question marks for the season, I said he was going to the Chiefs, and I believe he will be as successful as Grbac.
KC is a near playoff ready team. With AReid, why wouldn’t AS do as well as he did in 2011, the lockout year and JH’s first year? The 9ers get an excellent draft pick via the trade and AS goes to a good team – a win/win. It seems the loyalty was mutual.
Smith needs some receivers, but if the Chiefs re-sign Bowe, he’s a good start.
The Chiefs will mostly extend or sign Smith to a new contract that will give the Chiefs extra cap space to resign Bowe or another FA WR.
@Hofer
Not to dis you, Bro, but KC is playoff ready? The 1st Pick Overall might lend evidence to the contrary! That said, there definitely are some pieces in place, so their return to respectability shouldn’t take forever.
By the way, I stopped in at Scharfenberger, Roederer, and Handley last week when I was up that way. The bubbles are excellent and the Scharfenberger is very reasonably priced. The Handley PNs are The Bomb!
BT, thanks for the wine tips. Regarding KC, I see them being similar to the Colts last year. Even though they had the number one pick and drafted AL, they had good talent on the team. They also made the playoffs in 2012.
Who do you think makes the playoffs in the AFC next year? Denver, New England, Baltimore, Houston, Indy and KC? What about Cincy and Pittsburgh?
Ok, Hofe, that’s a good example to support your point.
Tuna, that’s why you’re one of my favorite guys here. Class.
KC won’t be a playoff team in 2013. Unlike Indy, their issues run deeper than the QB.
Thanks, Rusty. I hope I resemble that remark! : >)
Jack, can we bank on that as well as “AS will be the 9er backup in 2013″? :-)
@ Grant. Predix before FS & Draft are kinda spitting into the wind but Hous/NE/Balt (re-sign Flacco)/Den/Indy. Then my WAG is Miami and either Pitt or Cinci; not both. KC maybe not in 13, SD prob 2nd in that Div.
Hofer, You can take it to the bank as well as,
Jack Hammer says:
April 27, 2012 at 4:13 pm
The Colts will be in the Playoffs this year…
Spitblood says:
And…
Hoferfan67 says:
April 27, 2012 at 4:38 pm
It’s going to be a lot of losing for about 5 years if not more…
I don’t know if they make the playoffs hof, but you are right in that they are a better team than they showed this year. I think Reid and Smith are a good fit and he’ll do well in KC.
Jack,
I can’t remember if I gave you props for that prediction but if I didn’t, I’m doing it now. Great call.
Also on those predictions: Even if Balt re-signs Flacco, with Ray Lewis retired and if Ed Reed retires, then the Ravens might be vulnerable in their own division.
Thanks Rocket.
Jack, I STILL have 4 years left on that 5! lol
I would take Denver and Baltimore off the playoff list for next year. Add Chiefs and San Diego. I expect Pittsburg to win about 6 games next season and baltimore to eek out 9 wins.
I said this a few days ago. i don’t think KC is a good fit for Alex Smith. Andy Reid is known for his pass-happy ways. In KC under Reid, Alex Smith will not have the protection of a strong running game and a stout D. He’ll also be at a major rick of injury due to a large sack total.
KC has cap room so they can get WRs via FA and the draft. There defense seems to be stout.
*their*
Hofer
Who care? You sound like a KC fan now
Nick,
Cool your jets! I was responding to Grant above and it posted to the wrong spot:
Grant Cohn says:
February 27, 2013 at 10:42 am
Smith needs some receivers, but if the Chiefs re-sign Bowe, he’s a good start.
Fair enough Hofer
This is an absolute steal. Kudos to Baalke.
The 2nd round pick is almost like a late first round pick with it being #34 overall.
AWESOME.
Good luck Alex. I want to see him do well in KC.
Expect when he plays our team. Then I hope we pound him into the ground several times.
Joe Cool sure put it on us in that Monday Night game for KC; no repeats! LOL
Kawakami is reporting the 2014 pick is a conditional 3rd rounder, that could go to a 2nd.
It seems they think of AS as more than a stop gap to their next drafted QB.
At least Alex will be able to start at the new Santa Clara stadium…
@ Jack:
Nice.
dependent on number of wins….not dependent on playoff appearance which is pretty favorable chance the niners could get an upgraded pick next year….
still can’t believe KC isn’t asking for one of the niners 3rd round picks..
Alex is a very bright young man,learning a new offense won’t be a problem.Having a head coach with an offense based bent will benefit him as well. Keeping Bowe ,using Jamal and drafting a big WR will suit them.D is Ok as well -good deal for AS and KC…great job done for our team with a 2nd and a conditional next year!
Now, if Baalke can secure a 2014 first round draft pick in this draft, he will have the ammunition to bring in the Clowney.
“but Reid often forgets that he has a running attack.”
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Reid has had QB’s that have allowed him to forget about his running attack and now he has a QB that relies on it.
I really don’t get this about Reid forgetting about the run game. Didn’t Westbrook and McCoy excel in his system?
@Midwest it was’nt part of his overall philosophy there were a # of important game where he would mysteriously stop running
Successful in the scheme and putting up big numbers are different things. Westbrook only had two seasons over 1k yards although he maintained a very high average per rush. He averaged 153 attempts per season during his career, Gores averages 238.
McCoy is in the same boat. Efficient running but just not a lot of attempts.
Reid not running the ball is another one of those misconceptions that isn’t true. The Eagles were usually no worse than middle of the pack in rushing attpts. Some years they were higher but Reid runs the ball quite a bit, he just passes it more than he runs. unlike the Niners.
Rocket no one is saying the Reid ‘never’ ran the ball but for a WCO he certainly doesn’t run the ball very much and the rushing attempts show that.
Rocket
The facts suggest otherwise
http://www.nbcphiladelphia.com/blogs/birds-nest/Charting-the-Success-of-the-Eagles-Passing-Attack-101562253.html?fullSite=y
Nick,
Where in there does it say the Eagles were not in the top half of the league in rush attempts as I said?
He passes more than he runs, no question about it, but there was this theory that he didn’t run the ball starting to go around and that is incorrect. The rushing attempts were usually in the top half of the league.
Kansas City, Kansas City here I come…
They some crazy little women there and I’ma gonna get me one.
I really have no idea how Alex will do. I had my doubts about whether Reid was burned out in Phil before the trade but i sure hope he plays great. With denver as good as they are if KC plays well also, it could mean the raiders wo’nt win more than 5 games for another 10 years.
If they keep Palmer at QB they will win less than that.
Coach, I wonder if Reid will run the spread with AS as he did with Vick? AS seems to do well in the spread where he can survey the field better and it could be a good fit for him.
@Space i agree before Harbaugh i always thought Alex was at his best when the team was behind and in the no huddle spread O
Reid probably remembers Alex and the 49ers coming back to beat Philly in 2011
Good point! That was an AMAZING game.
Jeez what does that give us something like 12 picks (before the comp picks)? Wheel and Deal Mr Balke !!!!
With the 43 picks we have and the story that we’re not planning on tagging Goldson is there any possibility we could be looking to grab Vaccaro?
Coffee, just saw that report on NFL that the 49ers aren’t going to tag Goldson. I really like Vaccaro, too, but it’s a hard call on who they are looking at if they want to move up in the 1st round. Now they can take a look some legit 1st rounders at other positions and still have good picks in other rounds.
http://www.nfl.com/news/story/0ap1000000145682/article/report-dashon-goldson-wont-be-franchised-by-49ers
With all these draft picks, the 49ers need to trade up and draft Justin Smith’s heir apparent, especially if the Packers’ sign Ricky Jean Francois.
Floyd or Richardson, maybe?
Yes.
Neither one of those players would be a terrible choice.
They talked to Richardson at the Combine.
Claude, 49ers have done well with those former Tigers and I’m sure Justin would love to mentor another one. Plus what Tomsula could do with another high-motor player like Richardson gives me goose-bumps!
I’d be packaging picks to get Sheldon Richardson. I didn’t think they had a realistic shot at him before, but now they do. He’s a talent and will give 100% effort every down.
Grant Cohn says:
February 27, 2013 at 11:48 am
With all these draft picks, the 49ers need to trade up and draft Justin Smith’s heir apparent,
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The moment the season ended I was banging this drum but have backed off a bit. We do have a bunch of defensive lineman that I don’t know if we have any clue as to who they are or how the club feels about them. We don’t know if the team sees any of them as potential JS replacements although at this point that’s kinda hard to believe to be the case.
Great defensive ends/olbs are kind of like great QB’s, they’re really hard to find and both cost a fortune if they’re already proven. What position offers the greatest return for the risk in the first round?
I feel like I’ve seen a lot more “sure thing” pass rushers become busts then I have defensive backs.
I guess I’m saying that Im’ nervous about using another high first round pick on a position that we don’t know is a legit need or not.
If Ricky Jean Francois signs with another team and Justin Smith’s elbow blows up Week 2, the 49ers are screwed.
Given what we know all I can say is probably. You’re privy to more info then we are about the other lineman we already have so I have to just assume since you’re thinking DL that we must not think any of the current guys can step into the position. Which makes me ask, why are we carrying so many guys we see only as depth?
If someone came out and said that the 49ers have zero faith in the guys they currently have then I’d be 100% back on the draft a DL early wagon but Im’ kind of waiting for something that suggests that first.
I mentioned here early on that I thought the 9ers should draft two DL and a TE. Other needs are a DB, a big WR, and a QB. They need to address RZ and late season sack ratio.
I’d love to see them have a shot at Floyd but most of the draft sites have him as a top 5 pick. I don’t think they have enough ammo to move up that far.
Maybe wait until the middle of the 1st and move up for Datone Jones?
“If Ricky Jean Francois signs with another team and Justin Smith’s elbow blows up Week 2, the 49ers are screwed.”
Not really. Dobbs was his backup this year until he was injured.
So Dobbs and Tukuafu would be the backup five-tech and three-techs? That’s playing with fire.
Coffee, how much faith did the 49ers show with the other D-lineman besides RJF and to a degree, Dobbs, until he was injured? To me, it seemed that they were forced to keep their starters on the field because the drop-off in talent wouldn’t allow them to take more than a play or two off instead of a series and it showed at the end of the season and the playoffs. Look at the production in the amount of tackles and zero sacks from Tukuafu, Williams and Jerod-Eddie as well as OLB Haggans which to me is saying the 49ers have some need on the DL and OLB. Though, I do think they may be looking at Williams as a replacement for Sopoaga.
But if you are expecting somebody from the 49er organization to say that, it won’t happen; but if you let actions speak for them, then it can be heard.
They were last year before getting hurt. I’m not saying anything that the coaching staff hasn’t already done.
49ers need DE/DT depth, and potentially a starting NT. Dobbs looked ok as a backup, but I don’t feel confident he is a future starter.
Question is, do the 49ers need to move up to get one of the top 3 DTs (Lotulelei, Floyd, Richardson)? My rapid reaction was yes, and I’d love Richardson or Lotulelei (if his heart checks out), but to be honest they probably don’t need to do this. With Datone Jones, Kawann Short, John Jenkins, Jonathan Hankins and Jesse Williams also worthy of 1st round consideration (in fact, in most years some of these guys would be top 15 considerations themselves) the 49ers can probably stand pat or move up to the mid-20s (would likely only cost our original 3rd rounder) to get a good DT. I’m still favouring Kawann Short as a good fit.
I’d also look to trade back with the Chiefs 2nd rounder (not far, to around the early 40s) and pick up an extra 4th with which to provide more leverage to move around with, and potentially move back into the end of the 3rd if that pick is used to move up in the 1st.
If the 49ers come away with 5-6 picks in the 1st 3 rounds that should add some quality talent.
@Grant
He’s not eligible yet, Clowney is Justins’ replacement.
The 49ers need to revamp their secondary with a Safety and a couple conerbacks. They can get a guy like Geathers in the 4th round and bring in a vet through free agency.
Razor – Are we swithing to a 4-3?
TOMSULA
I think this extra pick from KC becomes the end of the Goldson era.
I’m glad Andy Reid read my blog!
I know you’re kidding but please go back into hiding. Why are you back anyway? The football world was a lot smarter when you were gone! Stop acting like you know what you’re talking about. You’ve been wrong so many times I’ve lost count!
And Hofe
This post here is the famous sour grapes we’ve heard so much about!
Ease off, Deadly, OF COURSE Grant was kidding. If you hate his stuff so much why do you come around?
“Don’t like my peaches? Don’t shake my tree”
Tuna, I was shocked to see him back and had to see if he was still the same old hack. Someone must have taken him behind the wood shed and let him have it. The problem is that he has no talent. He’s just the son of a lousy writer and gets a free pass! By the way, i’m not interested in your peaches. Maybe you should change your name from Brutha to Mutha!
Grant … Question.
MLB has slotted the first round compensation for draft picks. Does the NFL have a similar program? Fans always want movement in the 1st round, but I see them making several moves to go up in the 2nd and 3rd rounds (because of the cap).
Nope. Compensatory picks are on the final day of the draft, not the first day. ;)
If Baalke handles his business through free agency and this draft, the 49ers really could be set up to be the new modern era dynasty.
You have to win a Super Bowl before you can talk about a dynasty
HEAR, HEAR…!
I think we are going to see a lot of trading of picks for ones in 2014. They have way too many this year.
The Clowney plan.
Haha look at Grant, now he’s got the warm and fuzzies for Alex Smith. Awwwww how cute. :D
So Grant does that mean Coach Andy owes you a finder’s fee or royalty check? We can dream right? Can the Chiefs franchise Bowe or have they done that twice or does he have the veteran waiver deal. Thanks for the blog and this foroum! excited about all the ninner picks, hope they go up or deal one of the 2′s for a future #1., maybe to use the chips for Clowney! Not realistic but hey gotta have fun.
If Baalke gets a 2014 first round pick to move down, he’ll have the ammo needed to make a serious offer for Clowney.
What team would trade out of the Clowney pick? No team.
Razor i love clowney but unless you have the first pick of the draft next year there is no way you’re getting clowney. Unless the 9ers totally fold and have an extra 1st rd pick along with the 5th pick of the draft
@ Grant:
The 49ers would have to trade a pick this year for a 2014 1st round pick. If their trading partner finishes with the worst record in 2013, boom, that pick is Clowney.
Even if their trading partner doesn’t finish with the worst record, but ends up in the bottom 5 or bottom 10, the 49ers could put together a package of two 2014 1st round picks, one of which is in the Top 5/Top 10, plus other sweeteners. Depending upon its needs and existing assets, the team with the No. 1 pick might be convinced to trade.
Now, all the 49ers have to do is accurately predict who is going to finish in the bottom 10 next year and work a trade with that team. It should be a team that doesn’t draft very well, so that the extra pick this year doesn’t help it avoid the bottom. It would also help if the team has mismanaged the salary cap so that it can’t help itself much in free agency.
“Hello, New York Jets?”
I may have thought about this for too long.
Exactly, nobody is going to pass up the opportunity to draft this kid. He is a talent that comes around every other generation, at best.
Hello KC chiefs. Claude!
Dreamcrushers.
Clowney is a fantasy, but I am intrigued by the possibility of trading one of the first two picks for a 1st next year. Often there is a team willing to trade up into the bottom of the first for a 1st the following year. I would be all over that unless there is a guy they have rated much higher on their board that is falling for some reason.
@Grant
Have you ever heard the expression “I’ll make him them an offer they can’t refuse”. It’s a longshot…but you never know. It wasn’t that long ago trading Alex Smith for two second round picks was a pipedream.
good for Alex and good for the Niners. 2 picks in the top 34 is great- given what a crap shoot the draft is, and the apparent depth of this draft, increases the odds that we’ll get 2-4 solid additions to this team for the 2013 season.
Goodbye Mr. Smith
In 2005 I’ll be honest, I wanted to draft Braylon Edwards. At the time there was absolutely no consensus as to who should be the #1 and I figured then don’t, take the for sure hit receiver(oy vey) and we’ll grab Leinart in 2006.(double oy vey) The team thankfully has yet to listen to any of my suggestions and instead chose you as their QB. This of course by default meant that you were also now MY QB, because this is they way these things work.
So I did my duty, I signed up. I bought a brand new shiny white #11 and I eagerly anticipated training camp more so then any other season I could remember.
It was clear from TC and the preseason that you weren’t going to be Joe or Steve from day #1 and I was going to be OK with that, although the pundits were already foaming at their mouths. You didn’t get your first start until the Indianapolis Game and I’ll never forget how angry I was at Coach Nolan for starting you against the team that was almost certainly going to be a SB contender that year.(they won it) This was when I still lived close enough to justify being a ticket holder. I took my dad to your first game and although it and your play was ugly it was still a magical day my father and I will never forget.
You threw your first TD pass in the last game of the year and I remember feeling so darn relieved and excited. Your first season ended with a lot of questions but still some hope. The 2006 year was awesome. You and the team were wildly inconsistent but you showed flashes that got myself and a lot of others very very excited. When the 2006 season ended I felt the best about the team that I had in almost a decade. My dad and I were also at the game in 2007 where on the third play you had your shoulder partially removed from your body. I was sooo freaking bummed that my dad and I left early that day with the thought that the season was done and it was.
2008-2010 were hard and ugly years for everyone involved. Nolan turned into an a hole, then was replaced by the most incompetent NFL head coach to ever hold the position. You struggled with injury and horribly inconsistent play which unfortunately started to become your “style.”
2011 I had decided that even though you had been put through the ringer with coaches and coordinators, different schemes and what not you still should have been better and more consistent that what you were showing. I had decided that truly at best you were the best possible back up a team could ask for. Good enough to come in and win 3 out of 4 games when the starter goes down but not consistent enough to deserve to be a starter. And of course as soon as I form a strong opinion the universe once again comes in to prove how wrong I can be by blessing the team with a competent NFL head coach. And suddenly we have the 2007 version of Alex we all expected to see after 2006. You blew away the world against the Saints in the playoffs in what will probably go down as the best game of your career when it’s all said and done. Still inconsistent but not as severe in the swings from bad to good. Still problems lingered. You were still unwilling to pass unless the receiver was basically wide open and you never seemed to develop a decent deep pass.
So here we are. In 2012 you lost your job and your team. I hope after everything we’ve been through you’ll understand when I say that this is the best situation for both sides. Colin is a better QB then you my friend and now he’s MY QB because this is the way these things work. I will always have strong emotional ties to you being on my team and I will fondly follow and cheer the continuance of your career.
Good bless to you and your family Mr. Smith and from the bottom of my heart, thank you.
Bret Osborne
Awesome Post Cofee, Sure reads like a love story gone bad but both parties are on to greener pastures!
Nice post. I agree with it all and wish Alex the best at KC. As long as his best isn’t better than ours.
cfc,
Really nice post. While I am and will always be a Niner fan, I hope he does well in KC. After what he’s gone through the guy deserves some success.
Agreed Rocket.
I wrote my swann song (posts) to Alex Smith during the SB week.
I had a strong sense that he would be gone after the season, so I may have jumped the gun a bit during the SB week, but what the heck.
In any case, I too wish all the best for Alex Smith in his new endeavor.
Great guy, great teammate, and great 49er employee.
Who the hell is Bret Osborne? What an ignorant tool!!!
You’re such an immature little turd, do you have any redeeming qualities?
Nice job making yourself look like a complete pr ick by the way oh and thanks for totally validating my comment earlier about how your’re just an antagonistic little douchebag.
I’ve stepped in dog sh it that had more going for it then you.
Only I can screw up “god bless” /sigh any chance you’ll edit that for me please Grant?
Reid doesn’t run the ball
Smith has one receiver
Smith has NO o-line there they are qb killers.
Defense is OK
New system and receivers for smith.
With the talent we had two years ago that carried this team and Smith there is no way in hell he succeeds there.
Their division is weak which is the ONLY reason they go 7-9.
Smith will get injured or boo’d off of the field in KC. They just don’t have the talent to carry Smith. Plain and simple.
This was a robbery gone bad for KC and good for us.
Oh and if you’re a fantasy player. Better take KC’d fg kicker. That’s pure gold
MD, why do you care? Just think 2nd round pick!
>>MD, why do you care?
@Hofer. Because classless d-bags are just that.
cuz he cares about only one player.
Hoff… Why do I care? Ill answer a question with a question. Why do you care how I see his career in KC unfolding? Is it because it wasn’t great? I think so. Smith is nothing without Harbuagh and a great team around him. That’s been proven. Take it how you want. That’s just my opinion on it. Sorry it hurt your feelings…
Ribico making up his own definitions again. Since when is an opinion on a players success classless? You’re shooting blanks. You have nothing left ribico except a picture for your avatar. Sad! You’re done!
Claude… And a potential 2nd rd next season which will be a great pick also because they’re going to suck. You’re also done!
And one chief lol nevermind you just haven’t mattered since week 9.
And one chief lol nevermind you just haven’t mattered since week 9.
At least he mattered for 9 weeks.
Claude he mattered to you and the other Smithers. He got booted 3 times. So as to what kind of person did he matter too??
Oh and I wished we got Brady, Bree’s, manning, Rodgers and the other elites for a second rd pick. Since that’s the going “rate” for elite qb’s. it would have been nice. But we have our elite now. I know it hurts but you’ll warm up to him.
@ ninermd:
Still, he mattered to someone, and that’s gotta sting.
I warmed up to Kaepernick a long time ago. If you paid attention, you’d know that, but paying attention to the real world isn’t your thing, is it?
MD, your comments are ridiculous. Complaining that AS won’t be successful in KC. Again, who cares. How does that affect the 9ers? They have a 2nd round pick in their pocket and a conditional pick in 2014. BTW, weren’t you the one that stated AS would be a top 7 QB in 2012? SMH
This was a robbery gone bad for KC and good for us.
Yeah, pay no attention to the fact that what KC is purportedly giving up is very much in line with what was given up in other recent QB trades. If the facts don’t line up with your prejudices, then we should just ignore the facts. We want Carr! We want Carr! We want Carr!
With the talent we had two years ago that carried this team and Smith there is no way in hell he succeeds there.
This needs to be remembered.
I’m fairly confident it will be.
Yes it will be. Rise colored glasses keep them on.
@ninermd
must be ill to be you.
you pretty much mapped out of the future plain and simple
Guess you also predicted Alex who is so terrible could get us a 2nd round pick?
Question – Are you pissed Alex got traded for a high pick or more pissed you were always wrong about Alex?
Actually one chief. I was wrong. I told J23 they would get a first rounder for him. My bad. With Harbaugh I thought he would be worth it. But then CK freshened my memory as to what an elite qb looks like.
Oh and again. You haven’t mattered since week 9. Save face and move on to chief land!
Excellent news for Alex! Skip Bayless thinks this trade is bad for SF, bad for KC, and bad for Alex Smith. Since Skip has his head wedged at all times, I’m happy for the success Andy & Alex will likely enjoy. Thanks Skip, it’s a lock now!
+1
I can see this being bad for KC and Alex but what twisted logic does Bayless use to classify it as bad for the 49ers? Two #2s for a backup QB? That’s a steal.
Are you confident Tolzien is a good No.2 QB?
Grant
Nobody can be confident Tolzien is a solid #2, but by now everyone should be confident that Harbaugh’s handling of the QB position should not be doubted. No?
Smith isn’t a back up in KC.
“Are you confident Tolzien is a good No.2 QB?”
Umm.. was anyone confident in Smith before Harbaugh came along? I’m sure Tolzien can manage the occasional 4 yard checkdown on 3rd and 9 if necessary.
Bayless is a joke. This trade worked out as well as it could have. You can’t look at it as a negative with the backup QB, it’s a positive that we have a franchise QB. CK’s ascension is what made this possible. They got good value for him and traded him to a team where he should play well with Reid as HC. It’s a win-win-win, especially when there was talk not long ago that they might release him, and get nothing in return.
I should have known to back off my Smith staying in SF prediction from last week once I saw Bayless and Nick saying the same thing. Doh!
Yeah, Jack. They’re the sports equivalent of those “Trigger Numbers” the Tech Market guys use on Wall Street; react oppositely as fast as possible when you see them! LOL
Hammer – You’re slippin with that prediction :) ….Baalke deserves some praise on your site.
I have a request for a post on your site, how Niners can improve weak link secondary in free agency and draft? Thanks
Not only did you blow that call, the Revis prediction might be your IED as well…I still believe in you Officer Hammer, and so do your fans here in South Bend.
Keep the 2014 FA’s in mind when looking at this year’s draft…
Justin Smith – $8.00 mil
Jonathan Goodwin – $5.01 mil
Mario Manningham – $4.95 mil
Donte Whitner – $4.93 mil
Tarell Brown – $3.90 mil
With the flat cap era upon us these 5 represent $26.79 coming off the books in 2014. Expect there to be more possibility to trade down for 2014 picks.
I look for them to address the secondary first and foremost in this draft, while at the same time trading down for those 2014 picks.
This is very good information, thanks. Assuming they have already drafted successors to Goodwin (Kilgore, Looney) and Manningham (Jenkins), then this is a perfect time to take care of J. Smith’s and Whitner’s. I assume they will negotiate a new contract with Brown.
Exactly Jack. The 49ers don’t have many big holes this year, so it will be about drafting guys to start in 2014. Money is going to get tight and not all the FAs will be retained. 49ers have the luxury of finding their replacements before they are needed.
I think Goodwin’s heir is already on the roster (either Looney or Kilgore), but I’d be very surprised if the 49ers diidn’t draft a DE/DT, WR, S and CB in the 1st 3 rounds.
Scooter,
Don’t disagree with the positions you are projecting, just the notion that they need to trade up.
I believe they would be better served to stand pat or trade down for additional picks.
The only high impact positions for 2013 might be Safety, TE, and WR depending on who they bring back. By trading up, especially for a DL, you are throwing away picks for a guy who may play 10% of the snaps this year. Doesn’t seem wise given the number of spots they will need to fill next offseason.
Yeah, but if you’re talking about a quality DL, then you address the need for both 2013 depth and a 2014 starter in a single pick. And by trading up, you are getting a superior talent so that you will be better in 2014.
Also, one would hope that the 49ers will play their DEs starters < 90% of the plays in 2013 in order to keep them fresh for the playoffs. If you played them 80% of all plays (still a lot), then you could play the rookie DE on 40% of the snaps.
Plenty of value at the position to hold tight at 31.
Jack, in one of the other threads I suggested pretty much the same thing, though potentially moving up to the mid-20s to get a DL they really like. They can use the Chiefs pick to move back and accumulate. IMO the 49ers should look to come away with 5-6 picks in the first 3 rounds – basically do a Patriots.
@ Jack:
Does “plenty of value” = comparable value? I don’t watch enough college football, so I will defer to you and others on the comparative value of the players available at 16 vs. those available at 31. But, if there is a significant difference in talent (great vs. good), I believe it is in the team’s interest to make the move.
DL’s usually take a year or two to get up to speed in the NFL unless they are physical freaks. Drafting a DL this year would ensure the 49ers have someone in place in 2014 while having some depth other than the UDFAs.
msc,
I am not saying they shouldn’t draft a DL or 2, just that they shouldn’t trade up.
There are a lot of potential holes to be filled for 2014 when their number of free agents is much larger than this year.
You’re probably right Jack. I’m just a fan of the big uglies up front. A credible heir to Justin Smith would make me a lot more comfortable going forward.
Jack, are there any particular DL you like the look of that could/ should be available around 31? You mentioned Okafor previously – any others?
Claude,
I’ve heard more than one of the Draftnik experts say this draft is comparable in talent from 5 to 25. Whether that changes after pro days I don’t know but that seems to be the overriding opinion from the Mayock types.
Scooter,
Hankins, Jenkins, and Hunt. One of them will be there at 31.
@ rocket:
If that’s true, doesn’t it suggest that a trade into the top 20-25 is advisable?
*trade into the 20-25 range is advisable?
Claude,
Absolutely if the right guy drops that far. Will cost a lot less than moving up into Shariff Floyd territory that’s for sure.
PFT just reminded us of an interesting reality. What if the Chiefs change their mind? There’s still a lot of time before March 12th. What if the public perception becomes so negative that they get buyers remorse and decide to cancel the deal?
What would be their plan B?
Stanzi
Brotha, that sounds more like plan Y or Z :)
Yup, agree. So, over-pay Alex or go with Stanzi or a rook? The value looks better all of a sudden!
Debbie Downer.
Although, it wouldn’t be surprising if Reid suddenly remembered how badly the teams he fleeced made out.
It would be bad form to go against a handshake deal. Especially one this well publicized.
One thing for sure, teams are more desperate than they used to be. It was 20 years ago that Joe Montana, David Whitmore and 3rd round pick were sent to KC for a 1st round pick (18th overall).
Now, one Alex Smith gets a 2nd (34th overall) and a conditional 2nd or 3rd.
Joe Montana, only 16 draft picks more valuable than Alex Smith? The mind boggles.
@Rib
That was analog back then. Digital is more expensive apparently.
I believe this trade is almost identical to the Shaub trade from the Falcons to the Texans. Multiple 2nd rounds picks or picks + players seems to be the going rate for Kolbs, Shaubs and Smiths.
We’re rich (in choices)! Let’s not be Friday Rich and go out and over spend. I think trading up to the top 10-12 is too expensive. I think Revis is too expensive in both salary and compensation to the Jets to be a good value. It makes me wonder about Harvin too as I read that Minn wants a 2nd & 4th for a guy with injuries. Leave the Maseratti SUV, grab the Jeep and a couple of quads.
Baalke will show his insane genius by trading up to #3 and grabbing Oscar Pistorius.
I’d rather have Oscar Peterson. He doesn’t run too well any more, but he plays piano like MAD!
The blade runner should change his name to Pistolius
S-o-o-o … does anyone think the Cards will go after Barkley with the #6 pick ?.. or …
is Barkley the next Mark Sanchez ?
I’d take Geno Smith over Barkley.
But you’re sentient Grimey. MWN asked about the Cards.
I think the Cards might go after Barkley at #6, but its an intelligence test. If they draft a QB and don’t draft at least two OL with their top 4 picks, then they fail. Again.
Trent Dilfer just said this was stealing for the 49ers.
omg … No way Alex got us a 2nd.
I thought he sucked so much nobody would trade for him…….
I definitely know better than Andy Reid…….
Are you gonna be onechief now?
I am a niner, and always will be an Alex Smith fan.
Hey…. That’s my new name for one chief. Or how about chief onelame! Or chief big irrelevance?
That was fockin funny!
I didn’t mean to start some $h1t. Just jokes y’all. Onechief does have a ring to it though.
So OneChief it is. When does the Alex Smither bandwagon leave for KC?
Onechiefer
Has there been any discussion on this blog about whether they will make a play for Cullen Jenkins and/or Asomugha, if the Eagles let him go?
Also, don’t forget that Woodson is available.
Alex “The Phoenix” Smith is now free.
I wish him all the best, I thank him mostly for never quitting.
While other franchises were changing or giving up on their 1st round QB pick, which in turns disrupts the growth of their team, the 49ers were able to build a talented team because we had a cold blooded QB who never quit despite a lack of ok coaching and playing with young inexperience or too old players most of his niner career.
He is leaving the 49ers has a winning QB, I have no doubt he will remain a winning QB in the future.
The Chiefs got a no. 1 overall pick, seasoned starter for 8 mil and change. Awesome deal.
Reid is a QB coach which is good for Smith, he will make him look good. It was his best trait as the Eagle’s coach.
Montana, Bono, Grbac all made it to the playoffs when the were traded to the chiefs. Alex Smith will make it 4 for 4. The offense fits his style of play and the chiefs have a ton of playmakers on defense.
Had they had a decent QB who does not turn the ball over they might have made a playoff push last season.
Jason Cole reporting that 49ers are pursuing Revis
I’ll always be a Niners fan but today I have a second favorite team to follow on the NFL Sunday Ticket: The Kansas City Chiefs. I don’t have a crystal ball to tell me how Alex will do but I’d bet the Chiefs will win more than 2 games in 2013. I’d like to see Alex lead his new team to the playoffs and if they have a good draft and get their current players’ heads on straight, then they may have a chance as they under performed in 2012.
I wonder how many of Alex’s fans will wander out to the Black Hole this fall to see Alex and the Chiefs compete against the Raiders?
They’d have to show up to see him. The game will be blacked out!
Yahoo says Niners in pursuit of Revis.
Jordy
Link?
Wheeew! Mr everything won’t like this Terrelle Beavis talk. Shhhhh
I was hoping I was wrong about why they did this deal so early. Looks like I wasn’t.
Here’s the Jason Cole/Revis link:
http://sports.yahoo.com/news/nfl—sources–niners-in-pursuit-of-darrelle-revis-211130553.html#more-id
Denver won’t mke the playoffs next year…
Last stand for the Smith fans. They’re going nuts right now. Post your opinion with caution. It better read “smith wins the Superbowl in KC”
Hoff
Claude
Ribico
Rocket
It’s over. You’re bringing rocks to a gun fight. It’s not even fair. Let it go. You were all wrong about Smith. Heck I was too. I thought he’d be a pro bowler and get signed to a multi year contract. Then truth hit and my fogged up glasses were taken off. It’s over so get on with the new era!
Smith is goin to suck royally in KC (no pun intended) and it will only prove harbaughs knowledge again. He’s not a 49er. So I hope he doesn’t do well.
@ ninermd:
You can repeat the same b/s as many times as you like, but it’s still b/s. You’re not taking heat because you didn’t predict success for Kansas City. You’re taking heat because once again you posted uninformed ignorant nonsense and when your ignorance was revealed, you doubled down.
I don’t know what facts ever did to you, but your hatred and disdain for them is remarkable.
MD, what is your point of all of this nonsense?!! Weren’t you the one that said AS would be a top 7 QB in 2012? Are you trying to receive some kind of redemption by posting these silly comments? :-)
Better than bringing no legs to an ass kicking contest which is what your points consist of most of the time md. You never became a fan of Smith; you just changed your tune when he played well because you didn’t want to continue being embarrassed about what you had said previously.
Claude… Again. Where am I wrong? What fact less comments did I make?
O-line stinks
One receiver
Reid never runs the ball.
Have at it Claude. It’s because I said they would suck. And you know it. Why Didnt you call out grant for this post? He’s predicting. Oh that’s because he’s being nicer. Get lost Claude. You lose. You can’t stand the fact that I said if smith Didnt improve on the year before he’d be gone. Just like rocket too. Mm hmm. Rocket how many times does someone have to call you out on being wrong? You’re a joke dude with as much cred as Claude’s copy and paste skills.
Hoff. I’m sorry. But grant predicted his outlook on smiths KC career. Did you ask him why? Nope. It’s just that you don’t like my outlook. Sorry it hurt your feelings but he’s not a 49er anymore. So he can get lost for all I care now. And yes I did day he would be better. My opinion. That you had no problem with. I also said that if he Didnt improve he’d be gone. Something a bunch of you had a problem with. See how this goes now? I wasn’t attacking you and your opinions. Why attack or question mine Hoff?
MD,
I completely understood where you were coming from especially by starting your comment with:
“Last stand for the Smith fans”
AS is a stand-up guy proved out by his actions in 2012. I’ll root for him to do well. Why the hell not?
I also liked the fact the 9ers received a 2nd round pick. You didn’t even acknowledge the value of the pick to the 9ers for the draft! Possibly ammo for a move to get a top DL or a RZ TE guy…
Rocket how many times does someone have to call you out on being wrong?
Well you’re still here md so I must have a ways to go.
@ ninermd:
Since you asked, where weren’t you wrong?
- The Chiefs’ o-line didn’t stink. In fact, it was ranked 12th by Pro Football Focus and played fairly well in 2012 until injuries struck starting in November.
- Reid does run the ball and does so with a frequency that is middle of the pack. I’ll defer to rocket on this issue. Unlike you, he is not allergic to facts and has credibility. That’s why when he was wrong about something, it was notable. When you’re wrong about something, it’s just another day that ends in “Y.”
- The compensation allegedly given up by the Chiefs for Smith is comparable to the compensation given up in recent QB trades. So, the idea that the 49ers “robbed” the Chiefs is based upon a fundamental ignorance of the QB market.
- The fact that some Chiefs’ fans believe it is robbery doesn’t mean that it is robbery. It just means that, like you, those Chiefs fans are ignorant.
Those are some, but not all, of the things you were wrong about. You make this too easy. What was it you said about bringing rocks to a gun fight? The closest you’ve come to having a gun is to point your finger and say “Pow pow pow.”
Finally, Alex Smith isn’t gone because he didn’t improve on 2011. He did, in just about every way possible. He’s gone because he suffered an injury that got Colin Kaepernick onto the field, and Colin Kaepernick proved to be a better QB. Kaepernick arguably was the best QB in the NFL over the last half of the season. That’s why Colin Kaepernick is the starting QB of the 49ers.
But it’s not a zero sum game. The fact that Kaepernick is better doesn’t mean that Smith is not good. There’s no rule that says there can only be one good QB at a time on the 49ers. This isn’t that sophisticated or nuanced a point; you should be able to grasp it. Yet, somehow, you can’t.
That’s OK, I guess, but your continuing to argue a point you don’t understand isn’t. It’s annoying. So, please do everyone a favor and stop arguing with other 49er fans. If you have to fight with someone and tell them to get lost and call them names and pretend to be superior when you aren’t, save it for trolls who invade the site from time to time.
way to go md, classless d-bag reveals more d-baggery.
BTW, I thought you were locked away in a FEMA concentration camp.
It’s bad enough 49er fans have to put up with classeless d-bags like md here, I’m sure these 49ers just love having jack@ss fans like him as well.
“I am happy he is going to get a shot to play somewhere. He is too talented not to. Will miss him on our squad but will still be close wherever he goes. Happy for his new opportunity,” – Joe Staley
“I will miss him dearly and wish him the best as he starts something new. I’m sure everything will work in his favor. He is definitely a great player who I strongly believe had a big impact on my career. Love you Alex!” – Vernon Davis
AUTO REFRESH!!!!
This is a damned WordPress blog. It has a back-end. There are tools that will prevent this, I’m sure. Somebody is cheating the advertisers and creating extra page views – which not cool on several levels.
Anyway, replying to MD:
“Last stand for the Smith fans. They’re going nuts right now.”
I’ve watched the behavior of the haters these last few days and it seems to me they’re the ones going nuts. The second round pick has all the haters in a twitter: “KC got robbed!”
I love it. Smith’s last gift.
What’s wrong with liking a player, anyway. I watched KC with Joe and Grbac and the Raiders with Lott and Rice. Didn’t kill me to tune in once in a while.
Really Adam? I made my prediction on how the chiefs and smith would do. That’s it. Didnt call him any names Didnt bash him. So who’s going nuts? 2-14 last season and Claude wants to bring up his computer stats again. How did that work out for you Claude for your smith and O-line cases in the past? Lol fantasy nerds like you Claude only make me look more knowledgable when it comes to football. Having played and watched for years now. NO computer or stat in the world can cover crap. This reminds me when you all were laughing because I said you could see the receivers smith would miss in person that you couldn’t see on the TV. I’m glad grant confirmed this fact and shut you all up. Not one question to grant after he said what I knew. It’s over Smithers. You can’t win!
MD, you’re missing the point. All 9er fans won, including the so-called “Smithers”! A 2nd round pick to build the arsenal to move up this year and grab a top DL. We all won in 9er land!!
@ ninermd:
You asked me to show you where you were wrong on the facts, so I did. In detail. You’ve had 24 hours to disprove the facts I provided or provide your own counter facts, but the best you could do is declare that stats are for nerds (you may be the most proudly ignorant person I have ever encountered), call names and try to change the subject. That’s just weak.
And the worse you get your ass kicked in these arguments, the louder you declare victory. What is that about? Is it merely ego-saving denial or are you a living embodiment of the Dunning-Kruger effect? The description reads right on you.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dunning%E2%80%93Kruger_effect
Lol Claude….. TWO and 14!!!!! Their QB was getting killed behind the line. They ran the ball. Andy Reid DOESN’T run the ball as much as he throws the ball. ASk any Philly fan if Reid wasn’t a throw first throw more coach.
You’re a troll that looks for fights. You’re bitter because you were wrong about smiths longevity here. Bottom line is I don’t think they will succeed with Alex smith. They need a game changer and a miracle. 2-14 and injured qb’s says all you need to know about the situation he’s getting in too. Period!
@ ninermd:
I don’t remember any argument over Smith’s likely tenure with the team, but I am not surprised that you would try to change the subject away from your numerous factual errors.
Have you read the wikipedia entry I linked for you?
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dunning–Kruger effect
Who am I kidding? Wikipedia is an online encyclopedia. It’s fact-based education. That’s got to be like kryptonite for you.
>>You’re a troll that looks for fights.
Who was the troll who started this stupid thread? Geez, what a stupid @ss you are, md.
All I can say is thank you for the draft picks. We are going to shore up our defense and we are going to be one scary team to play. Top three teams in the NFL next year
Pats
Niners
Seahawks
5 of the first 93 picks. Talk about ammo.
That wily Nolan. It takes a master schemer to turn the #1 overall pick into two 2nd rounders.
That’s some mighty foresight.
I go to one away game every year. This year I dont know if I should go to watch Saints or Giants….. Both should be awesome road games.
@ Bay Meadowlands can be rough late in the season weather wise, but Sept/Oct are fine. Nawlins can be pretty hot & muggy in Sept. but is a great place to throw away your healthy-eating-lifestyle for a couple of days.
Brotha is right in that the time of year can make a big difference in either city.
Otherwise, it depends on how you want to spend your non-football game time. If you are into museums, galleries, theater, etc. and have the $ to afford the city, then go to New York. If you’d rather spend your time listening to a variety of live music, sampling great food at reasonable prices, or simply hanging out and drinking, go to New Orleans. You can eat and drink in New York too, but the prices are outrageous and, frankly, the food is better in New Orleans.
You might also want to consider DC. It’s a great city to visit as a tourist. It’s very walkable, the museums, galleries, monuments, etc. are world class and most are free admission (well, you already paid for them with your taxes), and the food options are plentiful and varied. That said, I hesitate to recommend any option that would put money into the pocket of Dan Snyder, perhaps the vilest man in America.
“Perhaps the vilest man in America.”
Perhaps? I sense an unnecessary adverb.
Vilest man in America? Little Danny?…I would lean toward Alex Jones but I can see strong arguments for both? Hmm that is a tough one.
I was trying to account for the fact that I don’t know every single man in America.
The Redskins should change their name to the Whiteys. Same amount of racism but the alliteration gives it a nice ring.
Some wag referred to them as the “Multiculturalskins” If I could remember who I’d give them credit. Made me chuckle.
I have not been to a game in NYC, New Orleans, or DC, but I will agree with Claude that I would pick DC first if my only consideration was available activities besides football. There is so much to see and do in DC that I have never repeated the same things on any of my visits. Just last month, I went to a play at Ford’s Theatre and sat less than 50 feet from the Presidential Box. On the other hand, lodging cost can be worse than even NYC, depending on the time of year and how close to the major attractions you want to be.
My wife would pick NYC first, but that is because of the shopping. I would pick NYC last. Sure, there are a lot of options, but most of it is just more of the same NYC experience (I believe DC has more variety). If I am there by myself on business, I rarely do anything much these days but visit a few places I like. Of course, if you have not been often, it is a great place to explore. My first few trips there were a blast. If you pick the Giant’s game, I would suggest flying into Newark and staying in Jersey City or Hoboken (near the waterfront either place). You would have easy access to NYC and the Meadowlands through NJ Transit, and either place is less expensive than staying in NYC.
I love visiting New Orleans, and I also agree with Claude that New Orleans food is better than NYC and DC food(although I am partial to Cajun cuisine, so I might not be that objective), but it can be a miserable place before Oct. Even in the fall, it is still muggy (and dirty), although not as hot. Still, if you are okay with humidity, grime, and odd folks (not that far off from downtown San Francisco, really, except the humidity is less (and different) in SF), it is a lot of fun. Also, my experience is that my “bang for the buck” is better in New Orleans than in NYC or DC.
My best friend has MS. He found out roughly six years ago. That is when we decided to have a bucket list. Tops on that list were for my buddy and to follow the Niners and see every stadium in the NFL.
To date we have been to:
Niners
Raiders
Seahawks
Chargers
Cardinals
Jets
We have had fantastic experiences on each trip. Memorable. I was extremely happy that we got the win in NY last year. We had three games in a row that resulted in losses.
Phoenix has a fantastic stadium. The town however is very artificial. Muscle heads, fake blondes and college kids. No culture.
San Diego was a fantastic trip. The people were so friendly. The gas lamp is a load of fun with tons of quality restaurants. Weather was fantastic.
Seattle was a day trip. The weather was miserable. I’ll have to mark it as an incomplete at this point.
NY. Wow. I can’t say enough about this town. Incredible experience especially since it was my first time. Loved the ultra honest style the NYorkers have. Love the culture. Loved the food. Loved everything about this trip. Give yourself at least three days to explore this city.
This year, New Orleans…….
Bay… Have you been up north yet? Renting a couple of big rv this season with my tailgating crew and were heading up to the great north. I want to see what all the hype is about this loud stadium.
How could you pass up the big apple for a couple of streets that you can bar hop at? New York in a landslide. Plus maybe you can meet up with ribico.
He’ll be the guy in the Alex Jersey, right? Heehee jk
I’m not sure why you’d come to the Meadowlands this year, bay. Who are you expecting to see the Giants playing? Eagles? Cowboys?
Or are you talking about the 2014 Superbowl? Pretty sure that’s the only game the Niners are playing at Giants Staduim next season. :)
So, there is another reason NYC/NJ should not be hist first choice. ;)
Yes, I think New Orleans is looking better at this combine :)
Well, that’s embarrassing. I checked the 49ers’ 2013 schedule closely enough to see that the Redskins were on it, but not closely enough to notice that the Giants weren’t. Way to go, ribico, you made the rest of us look bad.
After examining the 2013 schedule closely, I think without question the most attractive road game, from a tourism standpoint, is the game against the Jaguars. It’s not even close.
claude, that’s the first thing I check when an opponents list is released – can I go to a local game?
I am looking at superbowl this year for sure. :)
>>the most attractive road game, from a tourism standpoint, is the game against the Jaguars
Ugh, no way. DC or NO, hands down. Those are world class destinations, especially if you’ve never been.
ribico:
Reread the schedule.
The Jaguars game is in London.
Rib,
you are correct. My travel buddy sent that over to me in an email. New Orleans it is!
Clod, nothing embarrassing about it. What should be embarrassing for you is the fact that you continue your pointless existence on this blog. Since you cannot find anything wrong with the football information I provide, you are now going to jump in and make a stink about my football travel plans?
Dude like I said before, you are a little man. Little nerd sitting in his lazyboy. Cup of tea in one hand, NY Times in the other. You get your rocks off on winning a debate. Any debate. Then you crawl back in your hole. You offer nothing. Be embarrassed about that…..
@ bay:
How do you read what I wrote as me jumping in and making a stink about your football travel plans? You asked the blog for recommendations regarding travel to two cities with which I am more than passingly familiar. Notwithstanding our past disagreements, I tried in good faith to help by giving you my thoughts on each city. While my recommendation of DC was unsolicited, it was nothing more than a helpful hint. It certainly wasn’t intended as a criticism, and I don’t think it fairly can be read that way.
But go ahead, explain to me again how I am the guy who does nothing but look for fights.
Claude,
I did not see your original email. Apologize for the comment. Thought you were taking a shot at me for being incorrect about NY.
I should have just checked the schedule : )
Bay:
Understood.
claude, JPN,
Ha, right you guys are! Now there’s embarrassment all around, definitely sheds a new light on things.
Bay,
Go to the Giants Game. It should be interesting to see how KAEP does against the nemesis. KAEP vs. ELI.
Better yet Fan why don’t I dig through your old posts to show how much you hated on Kaep?
If the 49ers trade their first and second round pick for Revis. Keep him for the year. They would still have plenty of picks to include the high second round pick to draft their Safety, Cornerbacks, DL, ILB, K. I think signing him to a huge contract would be a mistake. Way too much money for one player coming back from a serious injury.
The compensation to the Jets should reflect the viable length of service; if he’s just bringing his one year deal I wouldn’t give the Jets as much. Who knows though? Maybe this is the D.Sanders-one-year-wonder-type-deal that helped S.Young get his ring.
A 1 + 2 seems pricey though; could be a corner and a safety.
The sure as hell better not give a one and a two to the Jets. More like a second and a conditional in ’14… guy has a bum wheel and an attitude.
Hoferfan67 says:
February 27, 2013 at 10:41 am
KC is a near playoff ready team. With AReid, why wouldn’t AS do as well as he did in 2011, the lockout year and JH’s first year? The 9ers get an excellent draft pick via the trade and AS goes to a good team – a win/win. It seems the loyalty was mutual.
Why do you care Hoff? And why is it a win win situation? Why do you care that smith is going to do well for another team? He’s not a 49er.
Because Smith busted his butt for the Niner nation during a most thankless time in the team’s history. That’s why…
MD, your cut and paste comments seem to read better for some reason. :-)
The point is the 9ers valued AS’s attitude last year. They weren’t just going to release him without value in return – not good business. They also didn’t dump him on the neediest team out there. It was a win/win just as I stated. What do you think the 9ers do with the 2nd round pick MD?
But he’s not a 49er anymore. Look Hoff I had my prediction on how smith will fair in KC. And you asked me why I care. Ill tell you what. Since you took it to heart. Lets say he was traded to Minnesota….
1 great running game
2 very good O-line
3 good receiving core
4 stout defense
5 good st
Prediction???? The Vikings with Alex smith will do some damage in their division and conference. Although he doesn’t have Harbaugh… He does have AP to take big time pressure off of him.
How’s that Hoff. That’s an honest assessment if he’d been traded there.
As far as the second pick I usually fade away with the draft because its all a guessing game. However for fun I did say that they would use these picks for a trade…. And that trade rhymes with Terrelle beavis… And mr everything tried to shoot that down. Now it may look like I know how to guess. Lol again Hoff. I was stating my opinion on how he would do in KC. It wasn’t meant as a dig on him. But as you see the smither group (you included) threw a hissy. Oh well. This is why I’m glad he’s leaving. It’s old and played out. Have a blessed day Hoff.
And new guy. You missed the point of this post. And it’s great he busted his tail, was a stand up guy and all of that. Fact is he’s an ex 49er which means he’s an enemy of my team. So I could care less about him now.
MD, right he isn’t a 9er anymore. Look, I didn’t quit following JM when he went to KC or JG when he went to Clev, Det, etc. I wish him the best.
@ninermd Did you root against Jerry Rice When he left Joe Montana R. Lott? I certainly rooted against them if the game they were playing in had any concequence to the 9ers but if it did’nt i rooted for them. I do’nt just root for a uniform i also like certain players. The 9ers always come first though.
MD,
I don’t know what Alex will do in KC. What I do know is that I am more fulfilled as a fan now watching a more exciting team and a more exciting QB. A better brand of football. I am appreciative that we had a coach who recognized the quality that he had sitting on the bench and had the stones to upgrade the QB position even though we were winning.
I am also appreciative that Alex had some form of value and that we got a decent draft pick or two for him. If those picks help shore up our defense, we will be one scary team to play for sure. Give us results close to 2011 defensively with CK behind center and we could challenge Miami’s undefeated season….
will the niners pick up cassell if he is released…or does he go to arizona
Arizona….
I have a funny feeling josh Johnson will be back around.
Please save the j23 jokes. JJ could have made the team says Harbaugh. It was a tough decision to cut him. Take those words for what they’re worth. But I still think its JJ if CK were older then I could see a draft pick.
I predict we still talk about AS years after he’s gone….smh
worst nightmare! I was hoping for a moratorium after say March 20th!
That’s no prediction. That’s just common sense.
200 years later we still talk about the albatross around the ancient mariner’s neck.
Seeing as how we still have #99, I’ll be talking about AS a lot.
That’s a guy we’re gonna have to clear some cap room for soon.
How long will it be before CK is admonished if he doesn’t win a SB? The 9ers are a QB away from the playoffs remember?
KC is the best choice.
Ratto just kills me. I choked at “I’m a Bastard” on his business card: http://www.csnbayarea.com/blog/ray-ratto/alex-smith-will-be-missed
And I don’t remember Joe Reed. I remember Spurrier taking the reigns after Brodie. Maybe I missed a week?
@Adam Joe Reed used to sing the national anthem before games
if this trade goes through i am wondering how KC approaches the draft…
just taking joeckel, or whatever the tackle’s name is, with first overall pick may be a good pick for proteccting the 2nd round investment i just wonder if KC was able to trade back and pick up another 2nd pick if that would be better for jumpstarting their offense since TE gonzales is gone…. could joeckel fall down the board enough for KC to get him anyways or is there another tackle with essentially the same skill set KC can get and get something in the 2nd round….
will have to wait until the draft prognosticators put out more information for me to review…
I do not profess to be as astute as many people writing here but…Just a quick note on one of Smith’s talents that I rarely if ever have seen mentioned. I think he had come into his own in the last year with being able to read a defense, audible into the right running play at the line. Something that takes experience to develop to this degree. And something that he is definitely one of the truly elite QBs at. It should be quite interesting to see how this talent relates to KC personnel. Having said that after watching film on Kapernick while he was still in college I thought he was going to be very special and was ecstatic when the 49ers picked him. This is going to be really fun. And what intrigue with all these draft choices to work with.
How will Alex do with the Chiefs ?
He will make millions of dollars and have a great Family waiting at home for him each day and he will remain a class guy and great team mate.
On the field,maybe not quite so good.
I expect Alex to do well in an environment that is more purely on his side with no lying coach to deal with. He will thrive, he will do well. Never rooted for the Chiefs before, but I will be this year. Very interesting, this story.