Colin Kaepernick 2.0, an assessment of the changes

Here is my Friday column.

SANTA CLARA – Through two weeks of training camp, it’s clear Colin Kaepernick has changed three key aspects of his game. Here’s what’s good and not so good about each change so far.

CHANGE 1: Kaepernick is throwing with more touch.

THE GOOD: Kaepernick used to throw every pass the same way — as hard as he could. Short passes. Long passes. Intermediate passes. They all were four-seam fastballs, and they weren’t easy to catch. This offseason, Kaepernick went to EXOS training facility in Phoenix to learn, among other things, how to throw with touch.

He seems to have taken the training to heart. Kaepernick is obsessed with touch passes this summer.

Before every practice, he makes a ball boy stand in the back-right corner of the end zone, and makes another ball boy stand in front of him with his arms up. Then Kaepernick lofts pass after pass over the ball boy with the outstretched arms and into the hands of the ball boy standing in the corner of the end zone. Kaepernick does this about 50 times a day — a new addition to his routine. He almost always completes the pass.

He continues to throw with touch during the competitive portions of practice — 11-on-11 team drills — and his short touch passes, in particular, have been fantastic. He consistently throws accurate, catchable passes to running backs in the flat.

THE NOT SO GOOD: Kaepernick’s deep passes have been dreadful.

He wants to throw those with touch as well, so he’s practicing high arcing deep passes as opposed to the frozen ropes he threw the first four seasons of his career.

The frozen ropes were a pain to catch, but at least were semi-accurate. The “new and improved” deep passes can’t stay in the field of play.

On Aug. 8, Kaepernick’s attempted four deep passes in a row at the start of team drills. The first three deep passes landed out of bounds and the fourth one landed 10 yards in front of the intended receiver, Torrey Smith.

Through 11 training camp practices, Kaepernick has attempted 17 deep passes and completed only three of them.

CHANGE 2: Kaepernick is going through progressions quicker.

THE GOOD: Kaepernick used to cheerlead from the pocket. He’d stare down his primary receiver (usually Anquan Boldin), wait and plead for him to get open (come on, Anquan, you can do it!), then throw the ball to him and no one else. Everyone in the stadium saw the pass coming.

Kaepernick is cheerleading less this offseason. The past few practices, as he has gotten more comfortable behind the 49ers remade offensive line, you can see him calmly going through progressions in the pocket: One-two-three, boom-boom-boom.

As a result, Kaepernick completed passes to 10 different receivers Wednesday and Thursday.

THE NOT SO GOOD: Kaepernick threw six interceptions the first two weeks of training camp.

Instead of waiting for visual confirmation that his intended receiver is open, Kaepernick is attempting to anticipate the opening and throw the ball a beat early, like every elite quarterback does.

But Kaepernick isn’t elite yet. Every other practice he seems to throw into coverage he doesn’t see — especially when he throws to his left. It’s like he’s throwing blind.

CHANGE 3: Kaepernick is taking charge of practice.

THE GOOD: Kaepernick used to be quiet and lead by example. He’d sprint onto the field, or off the field, or from one drill to another — always trying to be first. Always trying to prove himself.

If he spoke, he almost never raised his voice or ordered someone what to do. It’s like he didn’t think the team belonged to him, and he didn’t want to speak out of turn and offend superstars like Frank Gore, Patrick Willis, Justin Smith or Aldon Smith.

Now those four players are gone, and all of a sudden Kaepernick’s voice is the loudest on the field. He’s man with the most to say.

Offensive players seem to look to Kaepernick for guidance. On Thursday during a red-zone drill, tight end Vernon Davis ran a post route and Kaepernick threw the ball behind Davis’ head.

In the past, Davis’ might have scolded Kaepernick for throwing a bad pass. Not on Wednesday. Davis looked around, shrugged his shoulders and turned his palms up as if to ask, “Was that my fault?” He deferred to Kaepernick’s expertise.

Kaepernick shook his head and raised his hand as if to say, “No, that was my fault.”

THE NOT SO GOOD: Kaepernick yells at players who are younger than him, have less standing.

On Aug. 7, the day the 49ers released Aldon Smith, Kaepernick screamed at third-year wide receiver Quinton Patton during warmups. The receivers were practicing a modified version of a curl route, and Patton was struggling with it. Adam Henry, the wide receivers’ coach, was critiquing Patton in a calm voice — telling him what he was doing wrong and how to correct his mistake.

Patton ran the route one more time and Kaepernick didn’t like the way he ran it, so he flipped out. For about 15 seconds, Kaepernick verbally undressed Patton in front of the whole team. Just embarrassed him. Patton stood there and took the tongue-lashing like a good soldier.

A few minutes later, Kaeprenick screamed at undrafted rookie receiver Mario Hull.

I doubt Kaepernick ever would scream at Boldin, Davis, Gore, Willis, Justin Smith, Torrey Smith, Reggie Bush, Joe Staley, Alex Boone, Glenn Dorsey, Darnell Dockett, Tramaine Brock, Antoine Bethea, Ahmad Brooks or NaVorro Bowman.

Screaming at young players isn’t leadership. It’s just screaming.

Grant Cohn writes sports columns and the “Inside the 49ers” blog for The Press Democrat’s website. You can reach him at

  1. These are the articles or yours I like best Grant. Behind the scenes info that you can relay to people who can’t be there, is the most valuable tool you have imo.

    Well done and I enjoyed reading it.

  2. This all means nothing until the hitting is real…when he see’s a 290lb de closing in on him, all these new techniques and finesse will get the real test, and call me a cynic but I see them all going out the window and him reverting to form. It was the same story with Tebow for years…you can’t teach out 20 years of history in 20 weeks.

    1. MJ I agree, the true test is when he will actual get hit and have to stay in there and read his progressions. But Tebow flat out can’t throw, all the coaching in the world wouldn’t help that dude.

    2. Not to say u won’t be correct, but Tebow has NEVER been good in practice, ever. Routinely in pregame warm-up it was reported that he would complete 2 for 7 pass attempts to wide receivers with no defensive players at all. Same story in Philly this year, very inaccurate in practice.

      1. Well thats just it, every mini camp and training camp we’d here how he made so much progression (or atleast going into the camps we’d here of how he improved) and then never actually saw it materialize when it wasn’t just playing catch with a wr.

        Either way, people revert back to form…Steve Young of 1988 was not Steve Young of 1994, took him a lot of off seasons to make that progress and he had Walsh!

    3. Kaepernick should also be more comfortable this year not having to rush to get every play off, and not being told to stay in the pocket like has been the case the past 2 seasons with the exception of the last 4 games last season and the playoffs of 2013

    4. I get your point about needing real game time to evaluate progress, but using Tebow as a comparison really undermines your point. The severity of issues that plague the two are worlds different. If you were trying to subtly equate the two in terms of quality of qb then your analysis needs serious reevaluation.

  3. I don’t mind the screaming at players. He wouldn’t yell at the older players you mentioned cause they are proven vets that showed they could play. This is make or break for Patton sometimes tough love from a good friend goes a long way. I can remember Brady and manning yelling at players on national TV.

  4. He’s not the first to scream at players in practice or games, and he certainly won’t be the last. Patton is in a dog fight for a roster spot, and I’d submit he may be in need of some urgency….

    1. Razor couldn’t agree more! He and Patton are good friends and I think he wants him to finally step up and make this roster and make an impact

      1. Yea, after I posted, I read yours and realized we were thinking along the same wave length. I think like you, Kaepernick wants his friend Patton along for the ride….

    2. Yeah, as a few people have mentioned, I don’t see the screaming/ getting in the face of players when they make mistakes as a negative. But I’ll throw in a caveat – so long as it is done selectively. Flipping out every time someone makes a mistake leads to people tuning you out. But done selectively it can help make sure everyone stays on point.

      Given the atmosphere of Tomsula’s regime has been described as far more relaxed and laid back, and that Kaep never used to do this in the past, I wouldn’t be surprised if Kaep has actually been instructed in some regards to step up and be more vocal. Basically, Jimmy T telling the leaders of the team they need to take ownership of leading the team, and empowering them to do so.

      1. In the 2012 game against the Patriots, Brady was yelling at his offensive line on national TV telling them “we have to be perfect” to overcome the 28 point deficit to the 49ers. Then they went out and did it. Of course they weren’t perfect once they tied the score.

        1. I think its a bit different yelling at players during a game vs on the practice field – its a bit more understandable for a leader to be exhorting the people around him for extra effort/ precision during a game. But I’m thinking players like Brady and Manning probably don’t sit idly by during practice if they don’t like what they are seeing from the players around them either.

        2. I was at that game. Patriots couldn’t do crap till Cowboy came out injured. After that magically Brady started making things happen and points were quickly being put up. Was one he’ll of a game and loved seeing all the crabby Pats fans after they were touting how they don’t lose at home in December.

  5. Thanks for the insight Grant, a very interesting inside piece on the development of Kaep this offseason.

    You make a good point regarding his longer passes. When he first came in to replace Alex Smith, he was money on those 15 – 25 yard lasers. He’s never been particularly great on the really deep passes, but those intermediate throws were deadly. Hopefully he doesn’t lose that come game time, and what you are seeing in camp is a conscious effort to continually work on throwing with touch.

    I really like to hear he is trying to practice throwing a receiver open. Sure, there are going to be some growing pains, and there will likely be some INTs come the real thing too, but the only way to learn that skill is to force yourself to do it every time you step on the practice field.

    I thought at the beginning of last season we saw a mini-evolution of Kaep’s game, where he was doing a better job in the pocket, going through his progressions and finding the open man. But as the losses started mounting up, and the OL started giving up more and more pressure, he reverted back to old Kaep habits. He needs to make sure that doesn’t happen again this year. Keep pushing through it, even if there are some early growing pains.

    1. Scooter: I have this feeling that Logan will try very hard to prevent that from happening. I was just reading a Barrow’s piece on Gabbert. Logan told him to reduce the velocity on his passes to 85% of his typical velocity and as a result there has been a noticeable improvement in Gabbert’s accuracy. To me, Logan is one of those guys that just seems to inspire confidence. At the same time, I’ve been around long enough to know that there are people like that who can only talk a good game. However, I think Logan is the real deal.

      1. Cubus, I think you are right. It makes you wonder though whether last season if Kaep had coaches around him that were continually encouraging him to do those little things too, or if as the season progressed they stopped making it a point of emphasis.

        1. Scooter

          The entire Harbaugh Reign is worthy of significant study and deep consideration. Upon his mutual parting, York emphasized that the next HC needed to be a “teacher,” which was an odd choice of words, if Harbaugh was, in fact, a QB whisperer.

          Though my views on the matter are in continuous flux, I now believe that Harbaugh was little more than a more eloquent, inspiring version of Singletary, that is, a cheerleader whose main attribute was his ability to lead men. From player accounts (i.e., Boone et. al.), Harbaugh also demanded toughness and ground his players to a pulp over time. He also had an odd allegiance to veterans, despite evidence that young guys could add value (Dial, Carradine, Hyde). Sure, Harbaugh had a slight edge over Singletary in Xs & Os; but it was only slight. What Harbaugh understood, and what made him ultimately successful, and then, ultimately unsuccessful, was that he needed good coaches around him. Fangio was a darn good coach; and until the league figured out his gimmicks, so was Roman. But Roman couldn’t adjust his game planning midgame, and Harbaugh couldn’t overcome his own massive ego enough to order Roman to change, or find his replacement.

          Harbaugh is a blind bully. He can lead from the front, inspiring those who are behind him and can’t see that he is blind. But as soon as an obstacle appears, and he flails to try to surmount or surpass it, those with vision behind him wonder what ails him. So they approach him, they look him in the face, and they realize that they’ve been following a blind man. That’s what happened last year; in failing to adjust his own tactics and habits, Harbaugh revealed his blindness, his players noticed, and his time in SF was finished. He lost half the locker room, and that was it.

          1. I think you’re pretty much correct on this, it’s certainly thought provoking. I will admit that in the aftermath of the Singletary/Raye offensive debacle we heard that Jim Harbaugh was coming and bringing a WCO. Huzzah!
            We got something different, but they were winning, so I was happy. Jim’s intense style required rather complete buy-in. Whatever the reason, last year the team did not play with the focus or intensity of the 3 playoff run years; injuries asside.
            I think it’s a very interesting question as to whether Harbaugh could’ve regained that 110% from his guys if he’d stayed on for 2015 even without the Owner/FO turmoil. To E’s point, once you see the man behind the curtain………….

              1. But as I reread it, my comment doesn’t really give enough credit to Harbs’ staff, especially Fangio, for persevering and keeping things together as the injuries mounted in ’14. That’s the toughness part.

    2. You got it Scooter, repetition will breed continuity. Just gotta ride out the storms until that development starts to shine through. He’s a worker so it’s just a matter of time….

    3. It was my fear that trying to throw long touch passes might be too much of an adjustment to make all in one season. He would be better off sticking to his line drives for a while on those long bombs. Those touch passes are more effected by the wind as well.

      1. But perhaps he is just working out the wrinkles in the preseason. Hopefully he will not lose what he was good at by focusing to predominately on area’s he needed work in.

  6. With so much accurate information to work with why exaggerate?

    “Kaepernick used to throw every pass the same way — as hard as he could. Short passes. Long passes. Intermediate passes. They all were four-seam fastballs,”

    I’ve watched Kaepernick do exactly what you describe, but I’ve also seen him throw a variety of passes with excellent touch. It just that he doesn’t do it often enough or reliably enough.

    Using phrases like “every pass”, “as hard as he could”, and “all were four-seam fastballs” doesn’t make what you write more effective.

    1. It makes me look like “A Cockeyed Optimist” from South Pacific.

      Seahawks — 1
      Cards ——– 10
      Rams ——– 15
      49ers ——— 30

  7. I’m sure that Kap will be getting a sore throat screaming at his O-line if he starts to get hit like he did last year.

    Glad to hear that CK is improving his touch passes. But throwing in real game scenarios vs. two stationary ball boys will be by all accounts a much different animal.

    Got to remind myself that Kap has not really had a go-to deep receiver threat to throw to since Randy “Freaking” Moss, so is a part of his game that may take a little time. CK and Torrey will eventually develop a good functional chemistry with each game.
    If Torrey and Kap can make teams respect the deep pass it will open avenues for Boldin and Vernon underneath. LB’s and Safeties will have to be cognizant of Vernon and Boldin which in turn may give Reggie, Hyde, and Miller some nice open spaces on the flats.
    Ahhh, can’t wait!!!

  8. Great insight article Grant. Those not-so-good areas are a little disconcerting, especially the yelling at the younger WRs. This is a new offense in which the WRs are expected to do more, so it would be better if Kaep allowed the WR coach to address issues with that group.
    Off topic, but I disagree with the ones saying that Patton is a fight for a roster position. He’s currently listed on as the second string WR at the position Boldin plays while (if my memory serves me) Simpson is listed as a backup where Smith plays.

    1. Good point Mid. Patton may be in a fight for his roster spot, but he’s got the inside track. And it is worth keeping in mind that he is usually going against some of the better CBs on the team, while younger guys like White that are impressing are not. Lets see how he goes in preseason games.

  9. Deep passes are low percentage plays. I don’t like them. They kill drives.
    I hope Kaepernick sticks almost entirely with short and intermediate passes, while running whenever he can. Good running and good passing can make him elite.
    Kaepernick should toss the short ones softly, but not the intermediate throws. He should continue to fire the intermediate passes hard and straight. Kaepernick’s accuracy has been good with intermediate throws, so no need to change.
    More short throws will enhance Kaepernick’s completion percentage and also his quarterback rating, as they did Montana’s. Bush and Hyde can help Kaepernick by getting yards after the catch.

    1. Yet if you never throw long passes teams will crowd the box all day. They may be low percentage, but you need to take your shots to open up the short to intermediate stuff, and the running game.

      1. Walsh would dial up a long play early just to stretch the defense. Need the threat of a deep pass to loosen up the short passing lanes.
        Niners should establish the run game, then do play action.

  10. Grant nice article, now how about a synopsis on your opinion on C.K. Is he going to be better overall? If so how much better is he and or how much better can he become?

  11. If Kaep has in fact found touch on his passes then that shows he does indeed have the ability to improve his game. He’s showing that he’s doing what it takes to become better. The fact that his long ball is suffering(still) is disappointing to a degree but one must still consider that maybe it’s just a matter of the long ball will take a bit longer to perfect then the shorter to intermediate passes. I mean after all it is harder to throw more accurately when you are throwing deep so if he has been tweaking and working on his shorter throws to be perfect we can allow the longer ones a little more time to come along.

    1. I doubt it. Very strong QB class coming out. I think we see a Mike Glennon treatment. Although I will say why the hell are the Jets not picking up the phone and calling the Titans for him. I don’t get it. They are throwing there season away by going with Fitzpatrick. Unreal!

    1. Kilgore was expected to prehaps miss the first game of the season the last time I heard. Hopefully it will be sooner than that because the current bunch stink at the position.

      1. Like I discussed with Scooter, the injury was similar to the first sustained by IDub. Recovery time would put Kilgores’ availability late September….

          1. Nothing to be sorry for MWD. I didn’t read it anywhere, but the injury is similar. All I did was look at Williams recovery time, and added that to the date of Kilgores’ injury….

  12. Good Piece GC
    See Grant, when you soso we tell you and when you’re good we tell you too!
    So give us the Grant 2.0!

  13. Grant

    In my opinion, this is the best piece you’ve ever written. Your tone is authoritative, without being patronizing, your explanations are clear and well-reasoned, and your insights into not only the mechanics of practice but also the leadership qualities (or lack thereof) of Kaepernick would be otherwise unavailable to us, and are therefore extremely valuable.

    Great job!!!

  14. Screaming at rooks can serve a purpose, but are the coaches involved on channeling the emotional energy? Maybe Kaep trying to find his leader mojo, but who is his mentor now? He needs one…

  15. Screaming at rooks can serve a purpose, but are the coaches involved on channeling the emotional energy? Maybe Kaep trying to find his leader mojo, but who is his mentor now? He needs one…

  16. Kaep has been fighting to learn and grow…. Even though I’m just a fan, I’m proud to say we have a qb willing to give everything he has to the position and to his craft. Hopefully it turns out for the better!!

  17. Good post. Good insights.
    Alarming info on leadership, but it is only TC, and Kaep in real games will be different.
    I know that leadership has been thrust upon him by the loss of Gore, Willis and Cowboy.
    He will learn, if he stays humble and becomes a quiet leader. Ranting is not a strong leadership skill.
    I will tell a tale of Joe, a person he should study and emulate. Randy Cross said that some QBs yell at their line men if they miss a block. Joe would get creamed, but he never said a word, and as a line man, he would feel worse because he and everyone else knew whose fault it was, but Joe kept quiet and concentrated on the next play. Randy would feel so bad, he would try twice as hard to protect Joe after that. Thats leadership.
    I want Kaep to be cool, calm and collected. I hope he is focused on scoring, and tunes out the distractions. I hope he leads by example and never treats another player with disrespect.
    He should treat fellow players like he would like to be treated, and never play favorites. If he thinks yelling will make them love him, he is in for a disappointment. They will just fear and resent him. A true leader with bring everyone together, not tear them down and apart.

    1. That might work if he were Joe, but he is not Joe. Different people have different personalities and strengths. Lets wait and see how this works out. It has also been stated that Patton is a close friend of Kaeps. When Lockett was here he stated that Kaep used to work with him all the time to make him better so that he could make the roster. Just because he is #2 on this games depth chart does not mean he is a lock for the roster. Remember Elington and Simpson are injured and not playing. Patton is the vet and it has been noted by the staff that the depth chart means very little this early. They just needed to submit one. As Patton’s friend perhaps he knows him better than we or Grant does and feels he needs a kick in the rear. I still don’t trust

      Grant to give an unbiased perspective when it comes to Kaep. He has given up with the interception critique, mostly because of Rodgers explanation that the mean little in training camp. Mariotta had an interception in his first limited game after going with out one in the entire camp. It seems to me that Grant is always looking to include Kaep on the negative list for each of his write ups even if it means nit picking something. He knows we don’t get to watch the camps. We do get to read other writers perspectives on specific plays so he has to be careful about too much of a bias in that respect. But when it comes to something like yelling at players he knows we just have his perspective to go on. I for one notice a striking difference in the articles he writes for BR and the ones he writes here.

      When it comes to this yelling at players thing- using Patton for an example- we don’t really know the circumstances so we should be slow to come to judgement until more information becomes available.

    2. Sebnynah

      Part of Joe’s legacy is defined by Jim Burt. It’s not just the 4-0 record in Super Bowls, or the 11/0 TD/INT ratio. It’s also his toughness, and leadership qualities that make him the best player in NFL history.

    1. From what I saw in the first half before I got on this site, the Raiders are better, and the Rams look vulnerable.
      Now i am back to split screening the Giants game with them winning 7-5.

      1. I saw the same thing, but it is still just preseason. Sometimes bad teams feel they have more to prove so they play preseason with more effort to win than teams that are just looking to evaluate their personal.

    2. I hate to get too excited in the preseason week 1, but I predicted Raiders win their division at +1800. Ponder looked better than Carr. Either way, the over/unders before tonight were 5.5 games. Seems like a very good bet.

  18. I promise myself not to read too much into combine results, yet I jump to conclusions anyway. Same with OTAs, minicamp, training camp and preseason games. Glenn Coffee and Anthony Dixon were preseason studs. I felt great about their future.

    By 9pm tomorrow I’ll have several hard conclusions about players based on a scant few plays in a glorified practice game. Many of them will be totally wrong. I know I shouldn’t, but I will anyway. I can’t help it.

    Football’s almost here. I’m going to see all these guys Grant has talked about running around in helmets and pads, delivering actual football hits. I’m totally jacked! Don’t you just love it?

  19. Grant, could you please put up a post for the fans on this site to make a prediction of the 49ers vs Texans score?
    Just for fun, and to see how optimistic or pessimistic the posters are.

  20. I will agree that Kaep will never be like Joe, since Joe is undefeated in the SB and never threw a pick in it, but I hope Kaep can learn from the best, and he should emulate the GOAT.

    1. undercenter,
      How ya doing bud!
      I’d prefer Bowman not play in any preseason games, especially if he feels that he can’t give 100%.

      We already know what Bow can do when he’s healthy – its a good time to see how Moody and Wilhoite play along with other players vying for a roster spot.
      At the moment, if Bowman can play at 75% – 80% that still makes him our best defensive player. I wouldn’t do anything in preseason to jeopardize that.

      I want to see our WR’s, RB’s, O-line, TE’s, DB’ and Dylan Thompson play this evening.
      Ahhh, the sweet smell of football is upon us.

      1. AES – doing just fine, getting ready for the game and so glad this offseason is coming to an end. Total agreement about Bowman, and yes let the youngsters play. Hoping for no injuries. I actually feel the Niners have enough talent to make the playoffs. See if this coaching staff can put it all together, I think they can.

    2. undercenter,
      How ya doing bud!
      I’d prefer Bowman not play in any preseason games, especially if he feels that he can’t give 100%.

      We already know what Bow can do when he’s healthy – its a good time to see how Moody and Wilhoite play along with other players vying for a roster spot.
      At the moment, if Bowman can play at 75% – 80% that still makes him our best defensive player. I wouldn’t do anything in preseason to jeopardize that.

      I want to see our WR’s, RB’s, O-line, TE’s, DB’ and Dylan Thompson play this evening.
      Ahhh, the sweet smell of football is upon us.

  21. Headline: Michael Sam stepping away from football.
    We know why, but waayyy too much ado was made of him. Now that he was the first openly gay man to try out for the NFL, we hopefully won’t have repeat that process with subsequent gay prospects. Who cares? Compete, win a roster spot, keep getting better to defend that roster spot.

  22. Rotoworld on Kevin White:
    Bears rookie WR Kevin White needs surgery to repair a stress fracture in his shin. He will have a rod inserted into his leg to stabilize his tibia. White will begin the season on the reserve/PUP list, costing him at least the first six games of year. There is a possibility he could miss the entire season. The Bears had been adamant White was not dealing with a stress fracture, but they decided he needed surgery after suffering a setback last week. White cannot be considered anything more than a late flier in the deepest of redraft leagues.

    1. This is why Baalke does not like to draft WRs with the first pick. They tend to get injured. WRs need a year or two to bulk up, learn the playbook and gain experience before they start.

  23. Grant…

    Just a suggestion;…keep Mettinburg and Glennon and Kellen Clemmons’ agents up front in the rolodex…by tomorrow, we’ll know….

  24. I wish to apologize ahead of time for the multiple posts. I know some readers skip my posts just because they have read it before, and i heartily invite them to. However, this post is original.
    One way that Kaep may improve is to work on his accuracy. Logan should put up a dart board and have Kaep play a game of darts every day. He could concentrate on using his wrist to flick the dart, which would aid in the short passing game. I say play a game because it involves strategy and calculations, and could be a social event between team mates. Challenge Hayne, I bet he has tossed a few in a pub.

Leave a Reply

Your email address will not be published. Required fields are marked *