SANTA CLARA — The 49ers lost 27-24 to the Seattle Seahawks in overtime Monday night. Here are the 49ers’ grades.
GAROPPOLO: C-minus. He didn’t have his top two receivers — George Kittle and Emmanuel Sanders. And his remaining receivers dropped seven passes. And his protection wasn’t good. Still, Garoppolo played poorly. Made bad decisions and bad throws. With the game on the line, he certainly was not Jimmy Cool. He was Jimmy Agitated. He threw two passes Seahawks defenders during the final drive of the fourth quarter, two passes that should have been intercepted, but the Seahawks dropped both of them. Garoppolo was lucky the defense got him to overtime. And he completed just three of 18 pass attempts that traveled at least 10 yards downfield. Not his best performance, but it was just the third loss of his career, and the 49ers still have the best record in the NFC.
RUNNING BACKS: C-minus. Tevin Coleman had one 22-yard run. Besides that play, the running backs averaged just 2.8 yards per carry against a Seahawks run defense that has struggled this season.
WIDE RECEIVERS: D-minus. Emmanuel Sanders left the game in the first half and the offense never recovered. Rookie Deebo Samuel played well — eight catches for 112 yards — be also dropped a pass. Kendrick Bourne caught a touchdown pass and converted a two-point attempt, but also tipped a pass to the Seahawks for an interception. Garoppolo threw three passes to Marquise Goodwin and three to Dante Pettis, and all six were incomplete. Garoppolo should stop throwing to them. Enough already.
TIGHT ENDS: C-plus. Ross Dwelley started in place of the injured George Kittle, and made a clutch five-yard catch on third and five during the fourth quarter.
OFFENSIVE LINE: D. Left tackle Joe Staley and right tackle Mike McGlinchey both returned after missing multiple games due to injuries, and both looked like they had missed multiple games due to injuries. Neither looked fresh or ready to play. Both got beat many times. The 49ers might have been better off playing the backups, Justin Skule and Daniel Brunskill. They both played well the past few games.
DEFENSIVE LINE: A-minus. Arik Armstead had 1.5 sacks, D.J. Jones had one and DeForest Buckner scored a touchdown. Buckner also recovered two fumbles. Buckner has been the 49ers’ best defensive player since they drafted him in 2016, although he vacated his gap during overtime and gave up an 18-yard run to Russell Wilson. Rookie Nick Bosa had eight tackles and one quarterback hit. Veteran Dee Ford had just one tackle and hardly played.
LINEBACKERS: A. Fred Warner had an All Pro performance. He recorded 10 tackles, two sacks, one pass breakup and one forced fumble. And his running mate, rookie Dre Greenlaw, who replaced Kwon Alexander, played well too. Greenlaw finished with eight tackles and one interception which would have won the game had the replacement kicker made a 47-yard field goal in overtime.
DEFENSIVE BACKS: A. Nickel back K’Waun Williams was the 49ers’ player of the game. He recorded nine tackles and forced two fumbles. Jaquiski Tartt made the play of the season. He ran down Seahawks rookie wide receiver D.K. Metcalf and stripped the ball from him just before he crossed the goal line. Cornerback Emmanuel Moseley bounced back from a rough game against the Arizona Cardinals and broke up three passes, plus made 10 tackles. Richard Sherman and Jimmie Ward also broke up one pass each.
SPECIAL TEAMS: C. Kicker Robbie Gould missed the game with a quadriceps injury. His replacement, Chase McLaughlin, made three field goals during regulation, but missed a game-winning 47-yard field goal during overtime.
COACHES: C. The 49ers had four more days to prepare than the Seahawks, and still got outcoached. Particularly head coach Kyle Shanahan. Defensive coordinator Robert Saleh’s unit played well for the most part. The offense did not. And Shanahan produced one of his least creative games of the season. He abandoned his running-back screen passes,which have been so effective all season, until late in the fourth quarter. And he mismanaged the clock during overtime during the 14-second drive which gave the ball back to the Seahawks. To be fair, the 49ers needed a game like this. The season had been too easy. Playoff games will be much more difficult — they need to learn from some mistakes before the playoffs begin. Call this game a learning experience for a good team.
Our tackles are rusty both back from injuries in same night. Our coach stinks at game management though. He made the 2 worst decisions by a coach with regards to game management in quite some time.
To me the blunder of the season was with 3:00 left in 2nd quarter -our starring center is down, the offensive line more porous as a result, deep in our own territory, D to that point playing stout…..he calls a drop back pass. Bone head. Pete Carroll knew what to do-and they sacked Jimmy and got a fumble/TD
That changed everything. They run there and hold them 10-0, they go in locker room dejected and shut out-maybe panic a bit. That turn over and TD was the game. That’s all on Shanahan. He does not know when to run when it’s most important (like the Atl loss in SB when he was OC. He gets too cute. Then to not take the tie at end of OT and run it out he called 3 passes giving RW another chance. What an idiot.
i totally agree
Pretty much it, very good.
Accurate grades.
Disappointing loss, but a very fun game to watch. It is wonderful that games in the middle of the season now matter. The last few years the season is over by now. The fun is just starting. We are 8 – 1.
I hope the last game of the season in Seattle does not matter.
Go Niners!!!
Haha..Niners are paper tigers..Never seen a worst 8-1 team
Levi’s sucks..worst home field in the NFL,mosrt memorable moments in Levi’s are Seahawks celebrating all over the stadium
SHANAHAN BUILDS SOFT TEAMS…Every other play every game since Shanny been here another starter down never seen a softer team..Do these guys work out?One play and five guys down with serious injuries it’s s joke
Did I mention Levi’s stadium is basically Seattle’s practice field?Haha another crushing loss in the balding princes joke of a stadium!
Let’s not draft An Brown or DJ Metcalf will draft Pettis and Deebo and roll with Goodwin!haha
Jimmy G looks like Charlie Brown out there …..
Every time the ball is snapped 12 Niners are hurt…12 Niners went on injured reserve after running out of tunnel
Does mommy know you’re up this late, loser troll?
You’re a moron
Speed kills you are a clown! Last I checked the Niners are still first place in the NFC.
Green puke..lucky win and your all that, lol. Now see, this is your typical run of the mill Seahack fan. That’s why you guys are known as trolls and haters, hate to be you.
Your name tells us all we need to know about you…. a meth head whose brain cells are fried! Get a life . Funny that you need to use this forum to make contact with Earth when no one cares if you are alive. The joke is on you, clown.
The better clutch QB won. The defense tried to save the game but when Jimmy G keeps trying to throw interceptions and becomes successful at doing it they are going to lose eventually. You called it, Grant. Don’t even throw to Goodwin and Pettis. It’s a waste of a third down. Deebo has potential but he makes mistakes too. Jimmy G is a game manager except game managers don’t make stupid mistakes to kill themselves. Seattle frustrates you and makes you have to beat them and they just wait for mistakes which the Niners always oblige. Also, the Niners can’t rely only on scat backs. Seattle always finds a beast to pound the ball with. The two vaunted Niner O tackles didn’t play any better than the rookie tackles, perhaps not as well. It’s very frustrating cause I hate seeing Seattle win but I have to give it to their coach. He got the players he needed to beat the Niners. Josh Gordon and Clowney came through big time. Niners need more stud players on offense instead of this pitty patty ball. Their great defense deserves better from offense.
The better clutch quarterback may have one but it was only because he was given multiple chances. Had Robbie Gould been healthy tonight this game would have likely had a different outcome both teams had their chances to Salt this game away both teams kept pissing it away
I have no big objections to the grades, they were brutally honest.
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Guess I want to talk about the players. Joe Staley should have shown more leadership, and conceded that he was hurting the team. He should have sat himself down, and told Skule to play. Maybe his ego would not let him do that, but the game tape will reveal how terribly he played. Both strip fumbles were his fault, because he acted like a turnstile.
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Pettis is a freakin joke, not Grant. This is why I think they should sign veteran WRs, who are battle hardened, and battle tested. Drafting WRs is a hit or miss proposition, and the misses are adding up. Pettis did not attack the ball, and has alligator arms. Putting him out there in overtime, was a sad mistake. Bourne really hurt the team, with his tip to pick, and egregious drops.
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KS did not coach a good game. He did not make honest assessments, and needed adjustments. He still wasted time outs like a drunken sailor, and it cost him. His game management was…. obtuse. His play selection was dull and predictable. He allowed Pete Carroll to shape him. I honestly wonder if he truly understands the concept of putting a man in motion. He may have done it once or twice all game.
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However, even with all the mistakes, inept play and poor coaching, the Niners had a chance to win. They are now 8-1, so they still have a good chance of making it to the playoffs. Yet, if they ignore any constructive criticism, they will continue to lose. The Niners need to use this game as a wake up call, and stop believing their press clippings. There is much room for improvement, in almost every position.
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We saw again the second half of the SB- KS; he seemed to get a brain freeze.
They lost a very close game. Any one of a 100 different situations that had gone differently would have won the game. Your comments reveal that your emotions have over ruled your common sense.
Well, I did also say despite all the mistakes, inept play and poor coaching, the Niners had a chance to win, so there is hope, especially if they learn from their mistakes, and do not repeat them.
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Staley’s man was the one who recovered the fumble, and he let Clowney run by him to scoop up another fumble to score. His poor play will be glaring to watch, because he looked like he had not played football, and was not ready to play, because of his injury. I never saw Skule acting like a turnstile.
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I called Pettis a freakin joke, because that is what he called Grant. However, Pettis was just wasted space on the field. He better develop a thicker skin, because he will get a lot of criticism in the coming days.
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KS should have been able to finish that game, but he squandered his time outs like a drunken sailor. He kept running into the teeth of the defense, and was out coached by Pete Carroll. Kingsbury should have taught him what happens when one unwisely burns time outs, but KS did the exact same thing. If he called a time out to stop a delay of game penalty, the simple solution would be avoid that situation by setting a goal to snap the ball before there are less than 5 seconds on the play clock. That takes better preparations, and better coaching. If you think KS was perfect, and did not make any mistakes in his game management, you must have been watching a different game.
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Shifting a TE from one side to another did not fool that defense. Letting the play clock go down to 2 seconds allowed the defense to anticipate the snap. Where was the no huddle, with quick varied snaps, especially while behind?
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Putting a man in motion can be done to achieve many goals. It would help JG to read the defense’s reaction. It could help the receiver to be at full speed at the snap of the ball. It would prevent the defender from jamming the receiver at the line of scrimmage. It could help overload a side. The TE in motion could pinch in the DE so JG could roll out to that side, away from Clowney. It could start a fly sweep. I just consider those side steps of Juice as elaborate shifts, because he does not gain any speed while doing it.
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I will say that the Niner defense played NINER FOOTBALL. It was the Niner offense that let them down. However, while I liked that Saleh dialed up some safety blitzes, he could have done more. If he had called for a MLB delayed blitz up the middle, Wilson may not have been able to run for 22 yards unscathed up the middle.
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I still think drafting a punter early, wasted an opportunity to get another player at a position of need. Wishnowsky did not cover himself in glory.
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Sure, I am a passionate fan. Losing sucks, especially against a hated division foe that seems to have their number. It is common sense to want them to learn from their mistakes, so they will not repeat them. Yes, there were many opportunities to win this game, but the Niners did not seize the moment.
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The Niners snatched defeat, from the jaws of victory.
This is my catfish. Please don’t pay him any more undue attention.
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Just scroll past.
Amen!. Pettis is a weak -a** receiver and everyone knows that except Shananhan. I don’t understand the affection for him, he’s scary , runs like a ballerina and he reminds me of Robin Williams in the movie “The best of times”. Admit your mistake and move on. OH and send Solly with him. I was crying for Brunskill and Skule, the “Mike and Joe show should’ve been canceled. They were trucked all night. This was not the game to put them back in there when the backups were doing well.
easy to say with hindsight but on the 49ers last offensive drive I thought to myself just run the ball and wind down the clock. At best you run the ball into field goal range and kick the winner. at worst you tie the game.
or was calling three passing plays the right thing to go for the win?
I thought they managed the clock very poorly that drive. Yes, you need to try and win, but you also need to make sure you don’t give Wilson much time if the drive goes poorly. Should have been at least one run in there.
Not just on the final drive.
He had a chance in regulation to call a timeout before the 2 minute warning. Doing so would have saved him about 15 seconds on that final drive… it ended up being moot because they got the field goal but should be learned from.
Just watched the game. Yeah, JG didn’t play well. A few more WTF passes today. Ironically the only INT wasn’t his fault, but he had an INT called back on an awful decision, and Wright dropped a gift that JG threw straight to him. Wagner also had dropped one but that was more a pressure related poor pass rather than a bad decision.
Despite that, JG wasn’t the reason the team lost. The WRs are awful. Once Sanders went down the team was in strife. Deebo showed he has talent and probably will be good, but he still has errors in him. Bourne did Bourne things, a couple of good plays, but just too darn many costly mistakes that keep showing up in his game. Some really big drops that hurt the team today. Pettis and Goodwin made Bourne look good.
This game reminded me a bit of the Steelers game. So many costly errors on offense. Yet somehow the team was still in the game as the D kept making plays of their own. Turns out the Seahawks are better than the Steelers and those errors weren’t able to be overcome, but even so the 49ers were a missed FG from winning it.
8-1… sucks to lose to the Seahawks, sucks that it came on such a poor offensive showing, but grand scheme of things the team was always going to lose some games and is still in a great position. Hopefully Kittle and Sanders are back next week.
You’re forgetting the absolute abysmal play by Joe Staley and almost as bad by McGlinchey. I’m not buying that Clowney suddenly became superman. Yes, he stepped up his play for a big game, but he looked like superman because of the turnstiles at Tackle. Clowney had 12 QB pressures, eight hurries, five QB hits, a sack, a forced fumble, a fumble recovery and a touchdown off another strip-sack.
Yep, they were bad this game. The rust showed. But I can forgive their poor play due to the layoff with injury. The WRs have been abysmal all season.
No argument from me on the WRs. I’ve been saying that since the start of the season.
So what does the team do. Consider signing Garcon who knows the offense or maybe Crabtree. Yes, these seem like desperate moves, but do we really want to count on BGP getting better?
Unfortunately at this point in the season it is pretty hard to find someone that will improve your roster. The 49ers best hope is for Kittle and Sanders to get healthy and Hurd to provide something off IR.
Nobody wants to kick the can on Dez Bryant. If he was sat down, read the law and put on a short leash, why not. Also glad the back up rookie OL got some playing time b/c they might be needed again..fast. Was that just rust?
sucks to lose but if we go against them again we would win
Watched the game again…
The grades are correct…
The inability to draft good WR ( Pettis is just not NFL ready) is hurting this team…
On to the next game.
I can’t disagree with the grades to much.
Jimmy played meh. Good enough to win if his recievers catch the ball, bad enough to lose if the defenders caught the ball.
The oline was bad any way you look at it. In both run and pass pro. With the 2 returning players looking terrible.
WR – half these guys are not worthy of a roster spot. Deebo was the only guy that showed up at all. Now you know why Sanders was traded for and Taylor who can’t get on the field was not let go.
The D was very good accross the board. The NFL MVP was held in check for the most part but took advantage of both offensive and defensive miscues.
It’s a tough loss but SF was the better team… just missing their playmakers. I just hope Sanders and Kittle are not out for long. If they return and there are no more big injuries I think SF beats Seattle handily in Seattle.
Shanahan deserves better than a C. WRs had 7 drops which were responsible for a few turnovers. The 20 second drive in OT is definitely something you can criticize but Samuel had the db beat and Jimmy G underthrew the ball by 3 steps. That’s not on Shanahan. The team played really hard against a good team. Costly mistakes and one unbelievably horrible spot in OT were the difference.
Sign Antonio Brown now. Take away his phone and give him a PR babysitter. 49ers have a chance but this WR crew is not developing the way it needs to develop. Pettis is a major disappointment. Bourne is Bourne. Sanders can’t stay on the field. And Deebo is an inconsistent rookie. Sign AB.
Wow… Nailed the grades and the coaching lessons needed from this game. Well written…
I’m tired of hearing “Niners are the better team”. Nope. They need to beat the Seahawks to earn that. It’s time to remember that this team hasn’t earned a thing, and it needs to keep that mindset otherwise 10-6 or 9-7 is on the horizon. The Cards game is now a must win.
This was Jimmy G’s chance to cement his reputation by driving down the field for a win, instead of a 3 and out. They had a close up of his face on that drive and he looked spooked.
Shanny has got to ditch his love affair for undersized skill players. They have more of chance of getting hurt.
There is no state law against drafting WRs over 6’2 and 210 pounds.
I’m with Houston. Sign AB and roll the dice with the master of disaster.
They may not get this close again for a while. They may even lose Saleh.
Do whatever it takes.
I’m with you with AB on a talent perspective, but I don’t think the NFL will let him play this year. I think they’ll put him on the Commissioner’s List, which will make it pretty pointless. That said, maybe this team needs some diva at WR, because what they have now isn’t getting it done. Jimmy is not Brady. He’ll never be close to Brady. He can’t just pick three nobodies and make them good. He needs all the help the team can give him, and even that might not be enough when it really comes down to it. If Sanders is out long term I don’t want him resigned, this team isn’t a a charity.
There is nothing sensible about your comments. Nobody is going to hire AB . It’s beyond silly
So true with his undersized skill players. He likes SPARQ scores too much and forgets that big players tend to injure smaller players in the real world of the NFL.
And if Lynch ever pulls another Kentavious Street, Mitch Wisnowski, Joe Williams, or CJ Beathard in the draft, that should be his last draft pick ever. (injured, punter too high, head case, total reach). And Pettis… who else thought that much of him coming out of college? The one thing he was supposed to be great at, he doesn’t even get a chance to do at this level, he’s so bad. Is he on the field just to high-five Kittle when he scores?
Lynch is getting way too much praise at this point. He’s made so many damn mistakes and is even worse than Baalke at putting together a team that can stay relatively healthy. The sample size is big enough that it’s not just bad luck. Last year, we replaced the whole fitness/health crew. Now the injuries are on Lynch. Learn to recognize a high-risk-for-injury type player already.
I just want to know who paid the rookie kicker to shank that ball so badly is landed in the tunnel. Really thought we had it won there but just another key injury too tough to overcome… Hopefully Kittle and Sanders are back soon otherwise it’s gonna be tough with these stone hand receivers. With some big games coming up we’ll definitely find out what this team is made of.
Grades are a little generous I thought….I thought the WR core deserves an F just for the drops sorry as well as the Oline….Staley and Glinch are garbage=they both have looked bad all year
Saleh coached well. Saleh deserves an A-……Kyle deserves an F….horrible clock and play management in OT horrible….perhaps Grant you should just grade out the D coach and O coach……Kyle lost this one you have to run the dadgum ball on Seattle they had one of the worst defenses …
Of course it doesn’t help when JimmyP spots the other team 21 points good lord..in all reality should have been 4int’s….
I know the receivers were inconsistent to say the least, but Jimmy is not accurate. His throws are off. They tend to be high or just a few steps beyond, catchable, but barely.
He’s not helping the cause.
Nice seeing Jalen Hurd in the Lux Box with Kittle.
exasperating…we look for a chance to finally throw off the yoke of the Seahawks, and we play ragged and arguably get out-hit.
we have a great D-Line (altho Buckner and Armstead play too high re pad level and so we’re susceptible to the run right up the gut), and we have a great run game planner. After that, we’re pretty/fairly good but thats it. Can we go all the way in a transition year when big name Qbs have been lost to injury? Hey, any given Sunday, but we need some guys to step up.
“Seemingly unblockable, Clowney logged a season-high 12 QB pressures, eight hurries, five QB hits, a sack, a forced fumble, a fumble recovery and a touchdown off another strip-sack.”
“Without the inactive George Kittle and his top target Emmanuel Sanders, who exited Monday’s game in the second quarter with a rib injury, Garoppolo was tasked with leading San Francisco to its ninth win with a handicapped receiving corps.”
It should be clear to KS by now that in every future game, the opponents will take away the run game and force the passing game to score points.
http://www.nfl.com/news/story/0ap3000001076139/article/what-we-learned-from-seahawks-victory-over-49ers
Great game….but the mental toll that this game took, might affect our play in the upcoming games. I mean…..the D Has to be pissed with the Offense and the play-calling. Another short week now against the Cardinals and that OT loss will be a factor.
Don’t see many more wins coming if the WRs , OLine and Jimmy G can’t step up.
Grades are pretty much spot on. Mostert looked really good, but wasn’t given much carries. Very impressed with E-Man and the LBs. Greenlaw and Warner were making plays, even though some tackles were missed.
Hope DJ Jones, Blair, Sanders and Kittle are back next week. All is not lost, the next couple of games will show us how this team deals with adversity.
If the mental toll prevents them from winning, this team will have proven everything the media said about them to be true. They’d be pretenders, who have no business in the playoffs. Good teams bounce back.
Overreaction time, but hear me out. Niners can probably get a first rounder for Jimmy. What if they take him off the books, then with the extra cap space make a play for a big time number 1 receiver and a big time corner, and trade up in the draft for that LSU QB Burrow. Start Mullens in the short term, to transition the team, and then go from there. Is the team better? Is the championship window, if it even exists, open for longer with a potentially better QB on a cheap rookie deal? Not saying it should happen, but more games like this from Jimmy (yes, I know the receivers were bad, as was the o-line, but Jimmy did not play playoff-calibre football either, and to claim he has no fault or that there should be no concern around him is asinine) and I think it has to be a consideration. Jimmy isn’t a top ten qb right now, or certainly not top 6. Is this his ceiling? He has a lot to prove.
I don’t think anyone is dishing out a number one for Jimmy G, especially if it’s a bad team. They want QBs on rookie deals.
That said, there’s a reason why Bill B dealt him.
He’s their guy for now–even if the wheels fall off–it’s Jimmy G or bust.
Totally agree with this. 49ers should get rid of Jimmy Garoppolo. After all, we can’t settle for an 8-1 record. We need to dismantle the roster. With the windfall from the Garoppolo trade the 49ers should sign Michael Thomas, DeAndre Hopkins, and Jalen Ramsey. If Lynch is any good whatsoever he can also work a deal where he can trade up for the #1 and #2 pick in the draft. With #1 they should select QB Joe Burrow and with #2 they should select DE Chase Young. After all Dee Ford is getting old so we need a young player coming off the edge. Rework the roster with Thomas, Hopkins, Ramsey, Burrow, and Young. Yeah, that’s the ticket.
Never said anything about dismantling the roster. What it comes down to is two questions. 1 – do they think Jimmy will progress further than what he is now? And 2 – if the answer to the previous question is “no”, is what Jimmy is now good enough to win a championship? The defence is ready. I’m convinced on that front. It becomes a question of whether to try and extend that window by opening up the salaey cap, and aim for a title in two to three years, and whether or not it’s worth the risk. If Jimmy is an above average QB, there are worse starting in the NFL. Grass isn’t always greener.
I wouldn’t mind losing Dee Ford either, but that’s another conversation. You cite the 8-1 record, but I can think of really only one game where Jimmy was the main reason the team won. I personally want to see it play out with Jimmy, as I still believe he can be elite. But what I don’t want to see is the team waste the window of opportunity with the defence as it is now, waiting for Jimmy to make that next step. If the Niners win 4 of the next 7 or so this is all probably moot anyway, but look at Chicago for instance. Trubitsky won games last year, a lot of them actually, but now it’s looking like his days are numbered there. I think Jimmy is better than Mitch, but right now I think he’s closer to Mitch than he is to Wilson too.
I am all for Mullins…….could have saved a ton of money and got WR’s instead the 166million dollar pornstar….
JimmyP is ok= I mean I like him but he is NO RW or TB AR or insert stud QB name here…he is not and will never ever be so why the big payday…..its like when CK got the huge payday without winning a SB…makes no sense
The passing game will trip this team up…until they fix that it will still be mediocrity
The team was completely without their clutch go to playmaker, and then lost the only sure handed receiver after the 1sr quarter, there were more Seahawks in the backfield than those blocking them, they lost a complete squeeker to arguably the 2nd best team in the conference, if not the league and despite all that should of had it won, still have the best record in the league and you guys are talking about dumping the QB who has a what 15-3 record??? HAVE FING LOST YOUR MINDS??? I’m embarrassed sharing Niners “fandom” with some of you. You deserve perpetual 4-12 teams.
Seattle are not the second best team in the league. Right now that’s the Patriots, then the Ravens, then the Saints, then the Packers, then the Seahawks. Unfortunately, the Niners still have to play three games against the 4 teams better than the Seahawks, plus another game against Seattle, plus a Rams team that will be fighting for playoffs. If Jimmy navigates that stretch with more wins than losses, then sure, you’ll be right. If the team ends up losing most or all of them then I don’t want to see you throwing his win loss record around as if he is the determinator for all those wins.
If you are looking for someone to scapegoat, blame me. I was at the game last night. My previous game attended at Levi’s was Thanksgiving 2014. My previous game attended in SF was Niners-Giants NFCC in 2012. Bar me from any future home big games.
Yes Ribs. They have lost their minds.
Hahahaha this is a perfect response to a completely irrational overreaction.
Beautiful post Houston!
Garoppolo struggled, but took the team down the field to tie it at the end of regulation and had the team in position to win the game in OT.
The drops were killers. On the drive that tied it up at 21 Garoppolo hits Bourne in the hands for a 1st down inside the 15 but he drops it.
I understand that I’m often the “hater” of the blog, but if you’re suggesting they trade Garoppolo based on last night that’s just asinine.
Thank you for a reasonable assessment, Jack. Is there anything that you think the team can do at WR this late in the season? Given that the blueprint for beating the 49ers has now been well established (started with Cardinals and realized by ‘Hags); i.e. stack the box to stop the run and make the 49ers passing game beat you. Can we put Bourne on the PS and sign Crabtree for instance? Seems like desperation, I know, but we have not seen any improvement from the WR group over 8 games now. Is it reasonable to suddenly expect them to get better? Injuries are mounting and we need backup plans in case Sanders and Kittle can’t be on the field.
Although the tackles were bad last night, we at least have capable replacements with Brunskill and Skule. But WR is a disaster…..
Cubus yes….should have kept JMatthews cut KB…..bad business decision
Sanders may be done for the season if a rib is fractured so back to Pettis (hi I am really a girl) Goodwin (please stop dancing like a fool before games) and KB (not another drop) …..
However must state the obvious= JimmyP threw at least 5 picks this game…he throws to the other team NOT GoOD….he did it in training camp its rearing its ugly head again
Jack, I understand reading isn’t exactly your forte, but I encourage you to read the whole post. I am not suggesting, even remotely, that last nights game be the sole determinator for what happens with Jimmy for the future. I’m asking if people think moving Jimmy in the offseason, should the remainder of the games not go well, is a viable option with Burrow coming out into the draft. In regards to Jimmy, he struggled in the biggest game of his career so far. It doesn’t make a trend, but it’s not a forgone conclusion that he’s always some super clutch winner too. He needs to actually prove it. The three best teams he has faced in his Niners career he is 2-3, 3-3 if you count the Panthers.
“The three best teams he has faced in his Niners career he is 2-3, 3-3 if you count the Panthers.”
He’s 17-3 in his career. He had the team in position to win the game twice, one ended with a drop and the other a missed kick.
Yes he wasn’t spot on last night. Pressure from the defense was intense and his receivers couldn’t catch the ball. Yet they should have won
Let talk the missed kick…why and the flock didn’t they go for the first down…the last run play was like “hey lets just run this out and kick” instead of calling a play to get the first down….why leave it up to a rookie kicker at all? Kyle has to take the blame for that business. Remnants from the Falcoons SB visit….chocking when it counts…that’s Kyle there
Kyle answered that question. The “off-the-street” kicker made 3 out of 3 kicks and they were all right down the middle, IIRC.
I don’t blame him for sticking with the kicker. He had no reason not to.
I agree to disagree…they didn’t aggresively try to get the first down it was lame playcalling….Of course KB dropped yet another pass that could have iced it… but that first down was a must…had 2 plays to get 1 yard and failed….
In hindsight you could look at dozens of calls that didn’t work out and blame the coach if that’s what floats your boat.
He also had multiple throws that should have been picked, yet were not. Also, the defence set that field goal attempt up, with the pick and return. Look at his stats for overtime. They were pathetic, which isn’t all on him, but he deserves his share of the blame. From that last drive all through to the end of the game he had a deer in headlights look. You can cite his wins all you like, they don’t deflect all criticism. Now if he wins more than he loses over this stretch, then sure. If the team ends with 8, 9 or 10 wins, then it’s not good enough. You can argue the team should have won all you want, the bottom line is they lost and now answers need to be found. Jimmy needs to be better.
“the defence set that field goal attempt up, with the pick and return.”
Yes the pick and return was huge, but it was only to the 49. The offense them moved it into position for the kick.
“which isn’t all on him, but he deserves his share of the blame”
Of course he deserves his share of the blame, except you’re suggesting they trade him. That’s a little more than giving him some blame for 1 loss.
Try again Jack. That’s not what I said. Again, I know reading is hard for you. Take it real slow, and you’ll see I never once said he should be traded. I wanted to see if it was a valid possibility, if and only if the team and Jimmy played poorly and lost most of the remaining games. You’re inventing my position here entirely. Bad form, Jack.
“Niners can probably get a first rounder for Jimmy. What if they take him off the books, then with the extra cap space make a play for a big time number 1 receiver and a big time corner, and trade up in the draft for that LSU QB Burrow.“
How do they get a 1st round draft pick for Garoppolo without trading him.
And if you aren’t suggesting trading him, how do you suggest they get him off the books as you wrote?
That isn’t me saying “trade him now!” That’s me positing a hypothetical. A hypothetical tied to a scenario which has not yet occurred, that being a struggle through the rest of the season. You are conflating that with me saying because he was trash yesterday he should be moved. Two very different positions.
«That isn’t me saying “trade him now!”»
Of course not. They can’t trade him now anyway.
“You are conflating that with me saying because he was trash yesterday he should be moved.”
He wasn’t even trash yesterday. He did what we always see him do, except yesterday there were far more drops and there was far more pressure from the defense. Neither of those are of his own doing.
I also don’t remember you writing anything about them moving on from Garoppolo previous to this game, maybe you have.
Jack, I’ve actually been mostly praising Jimmy this season. But yesterday was very disappointing – he proved all the media talking jeads right, and the sheer gulf between him and Wilson was embarrassing given they are both paid in the same tier. I was very impressed with Burrow, and because the Niners can pivot from Jimmy pretty easily, I wondered if there was a possibility of making a play for the LSU kid and moving off from Jimmy, if and only if Jimmy continues to struggle. I don’t agree that this was just an ordinary game for him. In the clutch moments, he was frenetic. That’s the first time I saw him like that. If I can’t hang my hat on him being clutch and cool headed when he needs to be, what have I got? He doesn’t produce many points from a pasaing standpoint. He turns the ball over at one of the highest rates in the league, and now I can’t bank on him being clutch when the team needs him to be. After the Arizona game, which I thought was a step forward, it’s very disappointing. If he does not elevate his play over this stretch of then he can’t take this team anywhere. The best QBs, which his salary cap hit requires him to be in the higher tiers, elevate those around them. If he cannot do that, then I wonder if the Niners should potentially waste a championship window waiting for a mid-tier qb to make a jump forward. It’s all fine if he keeps winning, but if he doesn’t then these things need to be looked at. You canot settle for mediocrity.
@Renas;
Pressure was relentless on both QBs. Both had an interception and fumble lost for a TD. If you think we are going to find a QB with Wilson’s experience out on the street well you are as naive as many of your posts seem to be. We’d have to probably give up 3 first round picks to get Burrows. and even then it would be a crapshoot. With all the teams needing QBs, there is no chance.
Your post on trading Jimmy came across to most of us exactly as Jack has been arguing.
If you don’t mind, I’ll give you a suggestion that helped me when I first started posting here. I had some problems as well with the way a few posts came across. Now when I write a post that is going to create controversy, I almost always state “Let me be clear……”. That has always done the trick. Of course if controversy is what you want along with endless embedded threads, then that’s your choice.
“In the clutch moments, he was frenetic.”
Huh?
Down 3 he goes 2-3 for 34 yards to get them into FG range to tie the game. His only incomplete throw on that possession hit Bourne right between the 8 & 4 and it’s dropped. Instead of 1st and 10 inside the 20 they have to kick. But keep blaming Garoppolo.
Cubus, I feel like I was clear enough. I went out of my way to qualify my statement with “if it happens again and again in the close of the season” along with “I personally still believe in Jimmy” and “I wouldn’t do it myself”. It’s not really my fault if people can’t be bothered to read that, and want to make conclusions based on what littke they did read, or worse, invent my positions so they argue against something different to what it was that I actually said. No Cubus, I do not think any QB like Wilson will just be lying around there to get. I also don’t think that Jimmy can be expected to be Wilson level. However, their cap hits are similar, so my point is to say that Jimmy doesn’t get a pass for inexperience, as he is not affecting the cap like a rookie would. The moment he signed that contract, and got paid, he lost the right to have his lack of starts be used as a defence for his play. It might seem harsh, but that’s what he wanted.
Jack, look at how skittish he was during the final drive of regulation. Pretty much all the talk shows are pointing this out.
“look at how skittish he was during the final drive of regulation”
The drive when he took the team down and got them into OT? GTFOH
Yeah, the one were he nearly threw two picks, which really should have been caught to end the game. Deer in headlights. If you had decided to be anti-Jimmy Jack today, this is also what you’d be sticking to, and you know it.
“If you had decided to be anti-Jimmy Jack today, this is also what you’d be sticking to, and you know it.”
Thanks for telling me what I’d be thinking.
Garoppolo last night was pretty much who he always is, and yet he once again had his team in position to win. People losing their minds over it and only pointing it out now haven’t been paying attention.
I understand the emotional need to blame the quarterback but if you watched the game, there were dozens of errors, anyone of which would have changed the game. Jimmy Is still almost a rookie. He is good and will get better.
I invite you, like Jack, to actually read my post. I acknowledge that there is plenty of blame to go around. Jimmy deserves his share. He did not play well yesterday. He is one of the reasons the team lost. Maybe not the biggest, but he’s one of them. The Jimmy is nearly a rookie thing doesn’t work. He isn’t being paid like one, and so his hit against the cap means he has a different set of standards to achieve despite his lack of experience. He doesn’t get to be judged as a rookie when he makes 30 mill a year.
Renas,
How do you think you would play if you had a 6’5 All Pro in your face all night?
Clowney may have had the best game in his NFL career last night and most of that was due to McGlinchey and Staley looking rusty from time off.
No Kittle, lost E. Sanders early in the game, WR’s inconsistent, our regular FG kicker out. And yet, if Mclaughlin makes a 47 yrd FG we win. There’s still a lot of football to play. The goal here is to make the playoffs and win a SB. Nothing has changed that plan imo.
Fickle fans panicking over one close loss must be a new generational thing.
Sheesh!
Good Lord, I HATE this argument. I’m not a paid athlete. I am not earning millions of dollars to play a sport. I’d love to, but I didn’t win the talent lottery nor have I built up the mindset one needs to make it pro. That does not mean I cannot comment on a sport. It does not mean every player ever is infallible to criticism. If I did my job as poorly as some of the Niners did theirs last night, I wouldn’t have fans come defend me, nor would I be given the benefit of the doubt. I’d be fired, and likely not with a good reference. I don’t know what the equivalent of an all pro lineman in my face would be in my line of work, but I wouldn’t expect any NFL player to deal with it well.
I’m not panicking, I’m pointing out that the team has a ways to go. Jimmy is nowhere near where Russel is level wise, and given that they are paid similarly, that isn’t going to get it done.
AES, it amuses me to no end, fans who weren’t even predicting a winning season now have their knickers in a wad that the team is not going to go undefeated in the regular season. What a fan base.
Renas, you declared the defense sucking 15 whole minutes into the first game of the season. That tells us how much we should listen to you. But please go on with your half cocked takes.
Rib, you are full of sh!t. I predicted 10-6. Now answer me this Rib, is ten greater than six?
Then quit complaining when the team is very likely going to best your wildest expectations.
And for gods sake stop with that moronic dump Jimmy nonsense.
Anyone floating playing Mullens after trading JG at anytime is a hot take doofus not worth the respect of responding to.
I wouldn’t say that, Rib. I can easily see another 5 losses, especially if Sanders and Kittle are out long term. Do I trust Jimmy to go into Baltimore, or New Orleans, and find a way to win? A week ago I’d have said yeah, but now hell no. He has to go prove he can do that, by doing it.
I’m not going to respond to the rest of that post, because you’re either trolling or entirely ignorant to my position.
So you think they go 2-6 over the second half? Glad to see that “defense sucks” 15 minutes into the season Renas is back.
Ignorant positions deserve all the ignorance directed at them.
That’s a self-defeating argument. You don’t get to claim my position is ignorant when you are unaware of my position itself. That’s not how it works.
You opened your “position” with trading Jimmy and starting Mullens for the rest of season. I’m sorry, I’m not going to read a single syllable beyond any of that hairbrained bollocks.
Nope, that’s a lie Rib. I never said anything about trading Jimmy now and starting Mullens for the remainder of the season. I neber said anything about benching Jimmy either. That’s not just misinterpretation, that’s flagrantly lying about what I said to mock a position I never took. I also never said I, personally, wanted to see it happen. On the contrary, I said I still think he can be elite. Just last week I wanted him as a dark horse for MVP. I offered a hypothetical, hinged on the scenario where Jimmy continues to struggle like he did and the Niners have a disappointing remainder of the season. Apparently, this concept is alien to you, as you can’t seem to interpret it as what it is. Instead, you assign the conclusions to my own position on the matter, fallaciously, then pretend to be justified in being ignorant of what I said despite inventing it in your own head entirely. It’s like you want to argue against me so bad you just create random arguments I never made to attack. Kinda pathetic, if you ask me. I’m not using complicated words or phrases. You don’t need to fill in extra blanks to determine what I’m saying. You can, and should, just take the words I’m using at face value.
You also keep editing your responses after I’ve already replied. Do I give the benefit of the doubt, and assume it’s just happenstance? Whatever. Do I think the team goes 2-6? No, I do see them going 2-5. Two losses to the Saints and the Ravens. A loss to the Packers. Another loss to Seattle, in Seattle, where the Niners haven’t won in a long time. That leaves Cards, Falcons and Rams. Falcons beat the Saints, though I think the Niners should win that game. Cards were a tough out but Niners should win that too. Can they lose to a Rams team fighting for its playoff life? Absolutely.
Now, because you like to replace words I use, to make it seem like I am arguing things different to what I’m actualy arguing, allow me to be extremely clear for you – I do not think the Niners will only go 2-5 over that stretch. I think the team loses to both Ravens and Saints, and Seattle, and wins the rest. 12-4. But I do not think it’s a huge stretch to imagine a loss to the Packers or the Rams. Plus, the Cards are no easy gimme either. Just because I do not think it will happen, doesn’t mean I think it cannot happen under any feasible scenario. Likewise, the inverse is true. Is that clear enough for you, Rib? Would you like me to use simple words, just so you don’t get confused?
Renas:
Piss off Renas. Funny thing about the internet is that when you try to backtrack about what you said, what you said is still there.
Renas:
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Sigh. Ribby Ribby Ribbiy. You know, I was having a nice time, playing Trails of Cold Steel 3 (fantastic JRPG, btw), and then upon a cursory browse over this thread again I found I missed this gem. And I thought, what do I enjoy more than playing a great game I’ve waited 3 years for? Proving myself right. And even more than that, I enjoy proving idiots like Rib to be, well, idiots. Buckle in, Ribby, we’ll be here a while.
Oh, firstly, apologies for calling you an idiot. Believe me when I say it has taken a great deal of patience on my end to not call you worse, but I had to get one insult in there. I hope it doesn’t hurt your feelings too badly.
Indeed, especially handy when people remove context and miss important words to change the meaning of what I said. Here is that segment in full, and not the selectively quoted bit you displaced to make your point. I don’t know why you bothered, especially when you were making the point of the post being easily referred back to, but I guess I am expecting too much of you when it comes to logical processing abilities.
We agree this is the post in full, yes? Allow me to break out the important bits you’re missing.
Rib lie #1 – “You said Mullens should start the rest of the season after trading Jimmy”
Rib apparently thinks I’m unaware the trade deadline ended last week. Let’s see where the Mullens bit came:
The point here is that Mullens would be starting AFTER the draft. Which of course, means he can’t be playing out “the rest of the season”. He would be the stopgap option while Burrow becomes aclimated to the NFL.
Rib Lie #2 (also, Scooter, et al (aka idiots)): “You said Jimmy should be traded”
I was going to explain how I was phrasing it as a question, and not a definitive statement, and how that backs up my later claim of me presenting a hypothetical to prompt an answer, but then I realised there was a great quote I could use that said it all. After all, who better can explain my own position than myself? I quote:
Emphasis mine. Oh wait, and there’s more. This was a few posts later, also me:
https://49ers.pressdemocrat.com/49ers-24-seahawks-27-grades/#comment-1235675
Oh wow. That’s interesting. It… almost looks like I unequivocally said I did not want to see Jimmy traded. That I mentioned him being traded to move to a rookie QB as a hypothetical to get opinions on the matter. Almost like… that’s what I claimed I was saying all along. You know, I was actually prepared to apologise. I had thought my post was clear, really clear actually, but quite a few people seemed confused about what I was actually saying. Not the average joe, no, very smart people like Ribco, Jack Hammer, Scooter etc. You know, people with a reputation for being very smart, very intelligent posters that enrich your knowledge with their posts. But no. I wont apologise. Because I say it pretty clearly, in no uncertain terms. These very clever men simply opted not to read those parts, and jumped to their own conclusions. Oh, before I forget, here’s a bonus one. See, I referred multiple times to how I qualified my hypothetical with something that has yet to occur, and may not (hopefully not) occur at all. No one really denied that claim, but I figured I’d prove I said it, because why not? As you may be able to tell, I really enjoy proving myself right.
Emphasis mine.
I think that’s comprehensive enough. You know, funny thought just came to mind. It’s kinda neat how the average IQ of some regulars (clue: the ones who willfully ignored crucial elements of my post to change the meaning of what I was saying, and then attack that) actually comes to around 49 points. Keep at it boys. Work on those critical thinking skills, and some day you might reach the big 50. No longer will you be outdone by kids aged 4.9 years old. Rejoice!
Okay, dick comment, I admit, but you’ve all earned it. If there is anything you’d like me to further explain, please, feel free to ask. You’re welcome. Now, back to Trails of Cold Steel 3.
Good point Jack….that drop was huge…..should have kept JMatthews and shopped KB= big mistake….
However I must point out that Jimmy threw at least 4 picks that were dropped……!!!!!! We all saw that -there is no way to excuse that sorry…..this could have easily been a 5 int game….Seattle helped him out there
But as we saw, the WR core is still (after numberous years and draft picks) not very good…In fact pretty bad
I won’t disagree that at times Jimmy has to take the sack instead of throwing it, but this WR corps without Kittle and Sanders is abysmal. He’s forced into taking some chances.
All you have to do is look at Jimmy’s numbers with Sanders on the field and without. Give him some decent receiving options and things will look much better. But Bourne, Pettis and Goodwin…
Forgot about Matthews. He can’t possibly be as bad in a game as the three I mentioned. I thought some other team, Eagles??, picked him up. If not, I’m all for signing him ASAP because he is familiar with the offense.
Pettis (hi I am really a girl) Goodwin (please stop dancing like a fool before games) and KB (not another drop) …..
Exactly……KB should have been dumped for Matthews…bad FO decision again…..
WR core is stinky
Agreed cubus. I have never really understood the fascination with Bourne as he has always had plenty of infuriating mistakes in his game, and he doesn’t have the upside of a guy like Samuel to forgive some of those errors. But I am also pretty much done with Pettis now. Simply can not be relied on to fight for or catch the ball. Doubt he is on the roster next year. Goodwin also has way too many drops and just seems disinterested tbh.
Hopefully Kittle and Sanders are right for next week. And I would be keen to see what Hurd can do. He can’t be worse than Pettis. A real shame Taylor is done for the year as when healthy he reliably gets open and catches the ball.
As you said at the beginning of this comment, overreaction time. There’s already been a lot of responses outlining why this line of thinking is… lets just say “a tad premature”. So I won’t rehash everything, but yeah, first loss of the season comes in week 10, in OT, against one of the top teams in the NFL, in a game they had opportunities to win it, and the reaction is the team needs to get rid of its QB who has a 16-3 record as a starting QB? Tough crowd.
I never said they shouls get rid of him. You’ve clearly read the other responses, so what am I to attribute your lack of understand of what I’m saying to? I think I’ll go with “disingenuously cherry picking for the sake of arguing”. Yawn.
Good lord. Your whole comment was about getting rid of JG.
Good Lord, you seem to be incapable of reading entirely. At this point, there is really no excuse for it. So I guess the only option is you’re either completely illiterate, or trolling to bait by disingenuously arguing what my point was despite having full knowledge it wasn’t what you now claim it is. I’ll let you pick. And no, this isn’t a false dichotomy fallacy I’m using, because we’ve established that you’ve read the other posts, wherein I make it clear that I do NOT think ant decision to move on from Jimmy should be made yet, or even at all. I’m going to give you the benefit of the doubt, and assume that you’re not illiterate. In which case, you’ve earned this response:
Go f#ck yourself, you f#cking dick. I thought you were better than this, but I guess not.
Feel better? Sorry to see you are struggling so mightily with people pointing out that when you suggest the team should consider trading JG at the end of the year, even if couched with the context of if he plays like last night for the rest of the season, it is a bit premature and an overreaction to the loss.
Firstly, I have a nice post for you: https://49ers.pressdemocrat.com/49ers-24-seahawks-27-grades/#comment-1235849
As you can see, Scooter, I didn’t suggest it should happen. I raised it as a possible series of events, one which I explictly said I didn’t want to see actually happen. So when you claim that I suggested it, as if it were my own opinion, then you are, in fact, a liar.
Secondly, you completely neglected to mention the context initially, which is what I took issue with. Your initial statement was, and I quote:
Here, you pretty clearly say that the suggestion is based entirely on one loss, and not, as the hypothetical requires, multiple poor losses coming to the end of the season. We know this, because you claim it’s a very tough standard being held that the team should get rid of their QB, who is 16-3, after a loss to one of the top teams in the league.
This is clearly not what I argued. So I took issue with that, hence my response:
And then, you respond with:
While not strictly untrue, the implication here is clearly that that was my belief. Furthermore, you do not accept that I posited a condition which has not yet occured. You only just made mention to that, which is a crucial componant of the original post in the first place.
I’d say I expect an apology, but I don’t. Not because I don’t feel I deserve one, because I do (to me, when one argues in bad faith having not fairly represented the position of another, one should apologise for their error), but because I know you had read the other posts, posts where it is literally impossible to have read and not come away with the understanding that the original post was not intended to represent my true feelings on the matter. I demonstrate exactly why that is in the above linked comment. So what you did is read all this, then ignore it all, just to repeat the same debunked conclusion with the sole intention of making the discussion as unpleasant as you possibly can. In other words, trolling, for the same of trolling. I find that to be a rather abhorrent trait. I don’t think you deserve the benefit of the doubt either, because like I say, you had read the other posts and still ignored what the actual point was, for no good reason. It wasn’t that you were ignorant, you just chose to pretend to be. We call that being intentionally disingenuous. And that, I do struggle with. What do you get out of it? No, don’t answer that. I’d rather not engage with you any further.
The team lost one game and this bloke has lost his ever loving mind.
Unbelievable.
“As you can see, Scooter, I didn’t suggest it should happen. I raised it as a possible series of events, one which I explictly said I didn’t want to see actually happen.”
If you didn’t think it was a reasonable possibility, why even raise it? Are we that short on things to talk about atm?
“Here, you pretty clearly say that the suggestion is based entirely on one loss, and not, as the hypothetical requires, multiple poor losses coming to the end of the season.”
Which I have acknowledged. But it was a comment that came directly after one loss. You posited that if the events of one game were to continue then such a change should be considered. My comment (which involved no lies, contrary to your own retorts suggesting otherwise) was outlining that taking this line of thought after one loss was premature and an overreaction to the loss.
“While not strictly untrue, the implication here is clearly that that was my belief.”
No, my implication was that there is no reason to even be contemplating a scenario where JG sucks for the rest of the season, as there is no basis to suggest that is a reasonable expectation at this juncture. The team is 8-1 and first seed in the NFC, and JG has been part of the reason the offense has looked pretty good for the most part this year.
For someone that has raged against people claiming they implied something they didn’t mean, you sure don’t mind doing so yourself.
“I’d say I expect an apology, but I don’t. Not because I don’t feel I deserve one, because I do”
Yeah… ok. You are the aggrieved one here.
Because it was a thought that crossed my mind, and I recalled Grant, or someone else, mentioning that the Jimm contract has an out after this year. I wanted to see what people thought about it, whether they thought it was a feasible scenario, etc. Captain Sensible seemed to be smart enough to get it, he answered my question perfectly, by poiting out that the bad teams want their QBs cheap. It was solely for the purpose of discussion, which is my understanding of a blog. You have added your own preconceived notions about my motivation for asking, none of which is present in my post itself. You are assuming context, which is in bad taste.
When it came is irrelevant. You are assuming it comes as a reaction to a loss, and that it wasn’t an off-the-cuff idea that came to mind that I wanted to try exploring further, hence why I phrased it as a question. Apparently, you think you know my reasons better than I do. Hubristic.
The purpose wasn’t really to comtemplate it, rather to see if it was feasible in the event it should happen. Maybe you think these things shouldn’t be thought about, but I like getting opinions on somewhat unconventional scenarios to see what ideas are out there around it. To posit it is not to suggest it is likely to happen, despite what you might claim.
Hah, cute. You’ve done some backtracking on it, but what you said was “Good lord. Your whole comment was about getting rid of JG.” This came in direct response to me having issue with your initial characterisation. Given that the crux of my response preceding that was me taking issue with the claim that it was my own belief, I think it more than fair to conclude that your response in turn is expressing incredulity that I would have the temerity to claim such a thing, as if i’m completely contradicting my initial statement. This is why I said the implication was that I belived Jimmy should be traded next year. I was actually too soft with my language – you didn’t merely imply this, you outright stated it initially with “and the reaction is the team needs to get rid of its QB”. I truly do not know why you are now trying to pretend that this is not what you said, and that you were merely referencing that it shouldn’t be brought up as a discussion topic, but hey, you and engaging dishonestly seem to go hand in hand. I’m sure you’ll try and twist it back to me once again, but you really don’t need to bother. I don’t want to waste any more time replying to you. Really, I should have just left it after the last one, but I’ve learned my lesson. Have the last word if you’d like. I’ll try and avoid making the mistake with engaging with you at all in the future.
“I was actually too soft with my language – you didn’t merely imply this, you outright stated it initially with “and the reaction is the team needs to get rid of its QB”.”
Hyperbole is lost on some.
You have spent every single reply insulting me, and have the temerity to call my integrity into question. Good job.
“I’ll try and avoid making the mistake with engaging with you at all in the future.”
Devastating. I’ll try and avoid not laughing at you tripping over yourself rushing to insult people that don’t gush over your comments.
Oh God, why do I do this.
Where is the hyperbole? You claimed that the suggestion was to get rid of Jimmy. When I pointed out it was not, you wouldn’t accept that. Now you’re claiming that you actually never meant to say that the suggestion was to get rid of Jimmy, you were simply being hyperbolic, and your initial reaction was… well I’m not sure. You’ve lost me, I’m afraid. Let’s agree that it was just hyperbole – how can you blame me for suggesting you are coming at this dishonestly when instead of pointing this out, you doubled down instead?
I spent one reply insulting you, and the rest was calling your motivations into question. But you know what, I shouldn’t have called you names. I will apologise for that, because even though I believe you came into this discussion solely to bait such a reaction, it was an escalation on my part that was not justified. So I’m sorry for calling you a dick scooter. I apologise for my use of profanity, too.
Huh? Who gushes over my comments? I’m going to assume this is more bait, as otherwise you seem to have very different opinions about how much I care about how I’m viewed by the wider community here than I really do, and it hurts my head too much to work out why that is, and then refute it. You are free to believe whatever you so please, Scooter.
It was hyperbole in that I exaggerated your comment from being “maybe they should get rid of JG if he plays poorly the rest of the season” to “they need to get rid of JG, period”, which was done to show how silly it was to be initiating this line of thought after one poor outing.
If you say the timing of your comment had nothing to do with the loss and his performance in this game, fine, but surely you can see how and why this would be the interpretation. Very strange to bring it up while everyone is still discussing the fallout one day after the loss, after a game in which JG didn’t play particularly well.
Thank you for your apology. Not really sure why you decided to insult me in the first place (insults don’t need to be name calling btw – you have insulted me in some way, shape or form in every reply), but seems to be based on an interpretation of what I meant that wasn’t intended. But then I also see you don’t accept that as being the case, and in fact believe I purely replied in the first instance to bait a reaction out of you. Oh well.
YOU GUYS NEED TO GET A LIFE AND GET ….”OVER IT’…..LOL
“Go f#ck yourself, you f#cking dick”
This is hilarious. If you can’t take the heat get out of the kitchen.
Ah, a boring retort Jack. I think I’ve earned frutration when idiots, like yourself, have repeated the same conclusions for hours, all because they were unable to properly read. It wasn’t that it was unclear, it was that you have an inability to comprehend the written word accurately. It explains your obsession with statistics actually. Do you have anything better than well worn cliches? Ah wait, don’t worry. Of course you don’t, that’s all you ever have. I don’t expect much from you Jack, and somehow you still find ways to be disappointing. That’s almost a talent in itself, actually.
You just told someone to f himself and called him a d!€£ because he disagreed with you, yet this is about everyone else?
And for the love of blog, stop with the never ending posts. You’re starting to make Seb look concise.
Jack, I seem to recall you making a similar comment about Houston’s wife and your ‘johnson’.
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I used a little ‘j’ on purpose.
This right here highlights your idiocy, Jack. If it was about disagreeing with me, you would think I’d have called you and Rib a lot worse. The most I’ve gone for either of you is “idiot”, which you’ve both gone out of your way to prove to the rest of the blog anyway. I called Scooter that because, unlike everyone else, his comments were not based on ignorance of what I actually said, or misunderstanding it. Scooter was very much aware of what I said, because he demonstrated so, he just chose to pretend otherwise so he could poison the discussion. I have no desire to be civil towards people who act like a malignant tumour.
Nope, you don’t get to demand that. You, Jack, apparently couldn’t grasp what I was saying when I was concise originally. So, because of your limited comprehension abilities, I’m forced to have to demonstrate what I’m saying in a more verbose manner,to reduce the liklihood of said position being warped or misunderstood. You don’t get to have it both ways. If you want concise posts, then you need to actually read what is being said initially, instead of just the lines of interest and ignoring the rest. Until you (and others) show you can do that, I have to make long, simplified posts to reduce the possibility of being misinterpreted. I really shouldn’t have to write posts like I’m explaining something to a 3 year old, but if that’s the only way you can accurately interpret my posts, then that’s how it’ll have to be.
Nobody’s forcing you to do anything. There were more than me, Rib, and Scooter who took your original post in the same manner. Perhaps your message wasn’t quite so clear as you thought.
Ah Jack, it seems you could do with some light reading: https://49ers.pressdemocrat.com/49ers-24-seahawks-27-grades/#comment-1235849
Come back and tell me it’s my fault that people misinterpreted what I said. I’m not sure what more I can do to make it clearer. Well, actually, I do know. Long, verbose posts that drill the point home repeatedly.
See, here’s the issue. You claim I wasn’t clear enough. Yes as I pointed out, I used pretty simple phrasing that got ignored because it didn’t suit whatever conclusions you people were trying to find. So my conclusion there is that I cannot be concise. Because when I’m concise, regardless of what I actually say, people like yourself will change the argument I’m making because you do not read the post properly, and make your own assumption as to what I’m saying. So to solve that, I have to write long posts. And then you complain that my posts are too long. Do you see how unreasonable you are here? Here, shortform:
Me – *writes post, has a couple words in said post that make it clear it’s not my own belief, post is relatively concise*
Jack & Friends – *completely misinterpret what is said, claim it is my belief and that I should be lynched** for suggesting such a thing*
Me – *Reviews how clear the original post was, concludes it was clear enough in my view, so have to make the post less concise to make the point clearer to prevent the misinterpretation*
Jack – “UMMM WHY DON’T YOU WRITE CONCISE POSTS*
It’s kinda funny, actually. Reminds me of an old forum I used to be on.
**DISCLAIMER: Embellishment on my part.
You’re right. You’ve been forced to uphold your honor on the blog. ?
If Garoppolo plays like he did last night for the rest of the season he will be on the team starting next year and it will be receivers that are replaced for being unable to hold onto the ball.
Hmm? Oh, you’re taking it overly literally. Yeah, that’s about what I expect from you. No no, I don’t mean to imply that I’m compelled to uphold some standard of myself here. It’s not about honour, it’s about effciently discussing topics. As you may understand, the primary purpose of a community on a blog is discussion. To facilitate that, points need to be conveyed in a way that is understood by most partaking in said discussion. If my posts are concise, but misunderstood, regardless of “why” they are misunderstood, then for the sake of efficiency if I wish to continue participating in said discussion I ought to take steps to prevent that from happening. In this context, I have to write long posts, because short posts are not understood, and when they’re not understood, they spawn these comment chains where I’m spending more time defending and illustrating my original post than I would originally have required had I just made a long, verbose post in the first place. So when I say “forced”, I mean in the sense that I need to do so in order to be a part of the community effectively. I do not mean it in the sense that I feel I must. Believe me, if I ever felt that, then I’d know to close the tab and never return, as that sounds joyless.
Eh, I guess that counts as an answer. Congrats Jacky, it only took you about 12 hours. Let’s aim for 10 next time. No but I mean, it’s fair. I too can see the team using other pieces as a scapegoat before moving on from Jimmy.
For the love of God man, no one is misreading your posts. They are seeing through them because it’s obvious you overreacted severely and were disappointed by JG to the point you started throwing out scenarios where he’s traded and the 49ers magically get the #1 pick in the draft to take Joe Burrows. Stop whining about people not reading your post correctly and just admit you were upset and came up with some dumb ideas.
Ah yes, you know my reasons better than I do. I’m secretly lying about them because I have been exposed, and I’m too insecure to admit this so I am thrashing in the wild hopign to deflect from the truth about how my shallow takes were exposed. Because how I’m viewed on this anonymous 49er fan blog is so important to my personal value and self-esteem.
I mean, dude, I’ve seen Burrow exactly once. He looked pretty good. I’m not about to burn the Jimmy bridge to gamble based on one game in the college football regular season. I don’t watch much CFB in general, which is why I don’t make all these draft boards some others make here. It’s no secret I was disappointed with Jimmy, quite a bit actually, but I mean I was literally asking for him to be in the MVP talk with a couple more showings like what he did vs the Cards. But sure, if you want to believe that it’s all based on my frustration with him and that I now cannot admit to that for some reason, well you do you. Hubris.
I mentioned the drops in my first response to you my friend.
The drops killed the offense last night, and Garoppolo had the team in position to win the game twice. Once in regulation and once in OT.
You obviously care what these people think because you’ve committed a lot of time to defending your half cocked scenario on here today. You are either disingenuous or stupid.
@notanexpert
Time investment =/= Emotional investment. Most of these replies have been from my phone, while either watching tv, running over some work, or playing video games. It’s less due to wanting to influence perception and more for self-satisfaction. Like I said to Rib, I like proving myself right. I also haven’t really defended my scenario. I’ve defended that it was indeed a scenario, and not an opinion, but the scenario itself has not been defended. I actually enjoy that kind of back and forth, reminds me of a forum game I used to play called “Mafia”. It wasn’t until Scooter’s intervention that I was actually upset.
“or playing video games.”
That explains a lot.
“I like proving myself right.”
No chit. Everyone could see that was what this has been about.
What do you have against video games, Jack?
This, coming from the guy who has decided who should and should not be on this blog……………..
You’ve lost it, Renas.
I said you don’t belong on this blog, because you’ve made it your mission to poison the sebnynah well to the point where you will frequently imitate him at the cost of any and all discussion just to harrass the guy. What that has to do with arguing in very poor faith I don’t know. Please, enlighten me.
Renas, TYVM.
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You have always been my most ardent supporter. I would take a dart to my nether region for you, my friend.
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Catfish is harmless. Let it be. ;p
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In my humble way I wish to bring nothing but harmony and much love to this blog.
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No roughhousing, just want to be left alone to chronicle my Niners who are 8-1 and positioned to go to the super bowl.
Renas, sorry again for this catfish. He sure sounds like me, but you are right, he is trying to be confusing and divisive.
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While I may disagree with you, I still like you to have a point of view, but you really need to stop hurling personal insults so much.
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Sure, tempers flare after such an emotional loss, but please try to be civil, so everyone can enjoy this blog.
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These catfishes are my cross to bear, but I plan to take steps.
I thought Shanny called a bullsh!t game. He did not seem to make any adjustments whatsoever to account for Clowney. IMO this was the worst offensive performance of the three years only for the fact more was expected. Defense played its heart out the offense sucked. This team was not ready to play and that’s on Shanny.
UC I have to agree on this….piss poor I mean terrible playcalling in OT … shades of the SB
Where were the screen passes? Bubble screens? Running game??? when we did run it was up the gaps instead of side to side…this would have negated the rush…terrible planning on Kyle’s part…Kyle has his hand in this loss as does the Passing game in general
What a tough pill to swallow yesterday’s loss, I am still very proud of the way our team fought back in the 4rth quarter, as well too bad Robbie Gould wasnt around this time to help us kick the winning field goal, besides that we can not be dissapointed with our 8-1 49ers, which is way better then what we all expected
Despite all my complaining, you’re right about how they fought back. I think this will only help going forward.
My issue is that I live in Seattle and was talking some smack. Today, I have to pay the piper.
I feel you bro, it is a very tough pill to swallow, hard to even come to work with this feeling, but hey we are still
8-1
Seattle would be a beautiful town except for all the Seahawk fans. It’s like a city full of grunge rock leftovers and illiterate socialists that think they invented football 8 years ago. I watched the 49ers vs Redskins game at a bar in Boston a few weeks ago. A table full of Seahawk fans were next to us watching their game against the Ravens. They were so obnoxious literally every other table in the bar was rooting loudly for the Ravens. Even Cowboy fans were like, “Jeez, these Seahawk fans are real d-bags.” Seahawk fan is the worst fan in sports.
Forget this game, moving on. I want to know the availability of players for next game- Kittle, Sanders, Gould. Both Coleman and Breida were on the sideline during OT. Anything significant there? How is Richburg?
Sanders getting an MRI on his ribs today.
And Staley might miss more time with a finger. After last night I’ll refrain from commenting on whether that’s good or bad for the team.
He’s a game time decision with some “rib stuff”
“Seahawk fan is the worst fan in sports.”
No argument there. We’ve been forced out of bars a few times because of those obnoxious fans.
Meant as a response to Houston.
Forget about Jimmy G. proving he can be a winner. The discussion should be can Coach Shanahan be trusted to make the right calls in crunch time when we make the playoffs. He cost the Falcons a Super Bowl title when all he had to was almost just kneel down on the ball to kick a field goal and have a 10 point lead with 3 min. to go in the game. Last night with 1:57 to go and Sea with no timeouts, yes you want to win the game, but in that situation, you CAN’T and SHOULDN’T lose that game. You are guaranteed a tie that keeps the Niners with a two game lead in the loss column over Sea and four game lead over the Rams. Yes, you play to win the game but you also don’t make decisions that hands your opponent a win.
Are you serious? Just 3 years ago we were 2-14. Shanahan got us to 8-1. Take a deeeep breath.
How true.
I am still pretty bitter about last nights game.
1. I agree with the grades. Corners played great.
2. Grant , so Petis went from a bust, to non-bust to bust once again all in a 4 week stretch.
3. The reality is WR has been our weakest position group for at least 5 years. Crabtree and Vernon were pretty good combination -I guess. Sanders and Kittle are also but if they are out we are up a creek. We need to do a better job of drafting WR and make a stronger play for WR free agents. In the last few years Amari, Allen Robinson , Odell and Brandon Cooks were available but Niners failed to act. If we dont correct this there will be more nights like last night. As everyone is pointing out the recipe to beat the Niners is – stack the box and watch WR drop passes.
4. Al Sacco: “Some of us have talked all season about issues with the WRs. Tonight, you could argue that group literally cost SF the win . WR Dante Pettis currently ranks 199th out of 202 qualifying players in catch percentage at 45.8%. He’s been targeted 24 times and has 11 catches. Pettis’ 4.5 yards per target ranks 160th out of 164 eligible players (at least 24 targets). He has 101 yards on 24 targets. “
It would be so easy if one had a unlimited purse but unfortunately that’s not the case. I think the progress that has been made to get the team to 8-1 shows that they have used the purse wisely. Pettiis looking like a potential bust but they drafted 2 receivers in the last draft, both who look like they have good potential. Building a team is a continuous long term project.
Yes but the team also squanders resources/salary. In the last few years we have seen some questionable bloated salaries : Ward, Juszczyk , McKinnon, Staley, Garcon . Mckinnon and Garcon in particular are head scratchers. That money could have gone to a top level talent WR.
Robinson would have been a great sign. He catches almost everything. DJ Chark was drafted after Dante. Chark had an amazing Senior Bowl. It was no fluke.
Golden Tate would have been a demon in this offense. He was a FA too.
So was John Brown–a much better version of Goodwin, who is just about useless at this point. Godwin’s Hugh water mark was Brian Hoyer throwing accurate bombs to him.
Robinson was on our draft radar coming out of Penn St. I always liked that guy.
One criticism of Shanahan would be, why didn’t he call a run to the left to get the ball over on that hash for the kick in OT?
Based on where they lined up for the PAT’s it seemed clear that McLaughlin preferred that side because his kicks naturally drift right a touch. The only kick from the right hash was the shank, and I think that’s because he overcorrected to get the ball moving left.
Good point. Kyle, in general, did not seem to adjust to Pete’s defensive game plan. But the Niners were hamstrung by missing the two best pass catchers.
Jack,
Very good observation. Mclaughlin was money on his earlier FG’s as you noted. Ultimately, it was a tough position for a kicker to be in given the circumstances.
This game had many opportunities for the 49ers to win and we just didn’t deliver. Hopefully a lesson learned for this young team going forward.
It was a great game and the important thing to take away is that I believe that the 49ers feel that they can beat Seattle, which bodes well when they play again.
The Niners offense was on the field for 12 drives during regulation. The contrast with and without Sanders are stark. 2 possessions with Sanders and 10 without
With Sanders: FG, TD Jimmy 10/15, 125, 1 TD
Without Sanders: Punt, Punt, Fumble, Punt, Loss of Downs, INT, Fumble, Punt, FG, FG
Jimmy 14/31, 123, 0TD, 1 INT, 2 Fumble
I’d have liked to see how Wilson would have performed without Lockett or Metcalf on the field.
They made their bed with Jimmy G. They’re obviously going to have to surround him with A level talent, because he’s not a guy like Rodgers who can make players like Lazard and Kumerow look like very capable NFL WRs. That said, he’s getting A level money.
I actually prefer Mullens–have since HE BEAT THE SEAHAWKS last season–but it’s the Jimmy G show for now.
Best A level talent left out there is AB.
Sign him.
Jed should hold his nose and beat the hashtag me tooers off with a rusty umbrella. Tell mommy to take some Ambien and just chill.
“HE BEAT THE SEAHAWKS last season”
He sure did, with some help from a Richie James kickoff return for touchdown.
And your point is?
Mullens was 20/29 for 275 and a TD. QB rating of 110.
You can spin it all you want, but he was the winning QB against them that night.
How many Niner QBs have beaten Seattle since Wilson go there?
“How many Niner QBs have beaten Seattle since Wilson go there?”
3. Alex Smith, Colin Kaepernick and Mullens.
CK beat the Hawks in 2013. He was 15 of 29 for 175 for a TD and a pick. QBR of 67. It was five years.
Smith last beat the Seahawks in 2012. His stat line was: 14/23 /140/1/1. QBR of 74.5.
So the Niners beat the Hawks once in 2012 and once in 2013 (regular season) and their QB stats were inferior to Mullens’s.
Based on the infrequency of those wins, his accomplishment should not be diminished.
Right because the 2018 version of Seattle was as good as 2012/2013
Apple meet Orange. I would offer this. I would wager that you would say that CK and Smith are better than Mullens. And that the Seattle D was better then. If that’s true then Mullens would be equal to the version of the 2018 Seattle D. And how many starts had Mullens had at this point? We can cherry pick all day Jack. My point is that no QB on the Niners has beaten Russell Wilson and the Seahawks since 2013 and you can parse and frame and cherry pick but you can’t refute it.
“My point is that no QB on the Niners has beaten Russell Wilson and the Seahawks since 2013”
Isn’t Mullens still a 49er?
Yeah but he’s only been here for like 2 years. I meant any long termed quarterbacks on the Niners.
And not mention a FG in OT to win it. Gee, what was missing last night, Captain?
AB and Sanders would be an interesting synergy since they were both, promising young Steelers at one point.
Picking up Josh Gordon was a heck of a move for the Seahawks. Lockett goes down but no problem in comes Gordon. He only had 2 receptions but they were both big. Would have been nice seeing Gordon coming off the bench for the 49ers last night. I wonder if Shanny and Lynch even thought about him when he was available?
Shanny was in Cleveland when Gordon was there. I have no doubt that he had a front row seat for Gordon’s dilated pupil practices. . . when he showed up.
They should have made a deadline move for Robby Anderson or Devante Parker and Sanders.
I think Jerry Jeudy is the most NFL ready WR I’ve seen in college in many years. His route running is really a beautiful thing to watch. He was turning NFL caliber DB’s around like they were junior high players in the game against LSU this weekend. No way in the world will the 9ers have a shot at him in the draft, but Man what the 49ers could do with a WR like that.
Sign AB.
Co-sign on the AB tip.
Chris Simms: “Joe Staley at left tackle was the weak link on the field last night more than anything.”
Adding on to that, Chris said that Jimmy still needs to show that he can step up in big games, which I agree with. He thinks that 4 or 5 more games like last night might lead the 49ers to consider options during the offseason. Of course, Florio, feels they should do that now.
Simms is tight with Shanny. Shanny might actually listen.
For the money he’s making Jimmy G should be able to play without tackles, do Welker’s job of teaching receivers fundamentals of pass catching (7 catches dropped) — and, oh yes’, kick field goals a la George Blanda.
Now you’re gettin’ it Mood. :)
I should have said I don’t necessarily agree with Simms, but realistically, Jimmy is in an evaluation phase, albeit a long one because of his salary. I could see one possible scenario where Jimmy might leave town, and I’m one of the biggest Jimmy supporters on the blog.
That would be a straight up trade of Jimmy G for Kirk Cousins. Change of scenery for both and it is possible that Cousin’s might mesh better with KS.
To be clear, I don’t think we’re near that point, just speculating out into the future.
Hey, it’s overreaction Tuesday and I wanted to get my 2 cents in for consideration, too!
The thought of trading Jimmy G for Kirk Cousins is such a bad one that I do not want to spend time discussing it. Cousins is not half the QB Jimmy G is on track to be. Based on what we saw with the Redskins, we know the QB that Cousins is without Thielen and Diggs and Cook and Vikings’ fifth-rated O line (Niners are ranked 8th and sliding down after yesterday).
Really was a bad effort on offense all around. Kyle called a poor game. Receivers did not step up. Garoppolo made terrible throws, fumbled like he can’t handle pressure. ESPN had him at a 15 QBR perhaps that was situational but he was not ready at all for prime time. Staley and McGinchey stunk out the stadium. You can call it rust but if you make a guy like Clowney who is not a good edge rusher look like the best in the game you need to come out of the game.. Run game is non existent. Yes they are putting 8 in the box but if you cannot make throws that won’t change period.
Very simple, you give Garoppolo another game or two to beat the 8 box or you sit him and try Mullins. This defense is too good to squander not making a tough QB change decision to give yourself a chance.. They could go 2-5 or 1-6 the last 7 games and squeak into the playoffs without a short leash on Jimmy.. And waste 8-0 with no courage to change..
While I agree with you, they cannot do it. Jimmy makes too much money. Their best out at this point would be to roll the dice with Mr. Big Chest.
You oughta remove sensible from your name pronto.
They lost this game for one reason.
Injuries. This team seems cursed with them.
I’m not down at all from the loss.
You can’t continue to overcome key injuries every game.
That’s how I feel and I’m sticking with it.
Whoever up too said they’re tired of hearing they’re the better team…
look away because they are the better team when healthy.
No way Seattle wins of SF has kittle and or sanders in this game.
Nobody is going to change my mind about that.
Next man up raw raw y’all can get you some wins, not last night.
This teams worst enemy isn’t themselves, it’s injuries.
Period the end!
Time to start a new steak. Just hoping Sanders will be back next week. And kittle.
Gould can take a hike for all I care. He was crappy anyways this year.
Totally agree MD. This was a win for squawks in the final score only, neither team “won” that game. If the squawks or their annoying fan shtbase takeaway is that they own the Niners this year, they are going to sorely disappointed if and when Niners ever come back to anything full strength.
the left and right tackles for the niners looked terrible last night they should have not played or maybe just spot use. Staley need to retire and Mcnugget was sorely used by the seattle defensive ends. Goodwin and Pettis need to be let go go cause Pettis sent back to training camp and learn to take a course in “you might get hit when they thow you the ball ” he’s not been able to hold on to anything for two years now. Goodwin misses games as often as he misses passes.
Jimmy G. needs to act like the leader of this team, he and Kyle Shanahan need to get in the face of these receivers (IE Bourne, Pettis) and let them know under no uncertain terms that their tenure in San Francisco is gonna be over really fast if they don’t do WHAT THEY ARE PAID TO DO! CATCH THE DARN BALL! Jimmy most definitely could have played better and been more accurate, but he was constantly under duress and Pettis didn’t even attempt to catch that pass across the middle the play before the long incompletion to Debo.
Bill Walsh brought in over 30 DB’s when he wanted to solve the problem he had defending the pass. Shanahan should be trying out as many WR’s as possible this week and cut one of these 2 to light a fire under the rest of them. Pettis has proven that he is afraid to go over the middle and cant hang on to the ball when he is hit, or when he is wide open. The experiment should be OVER! Bourne we can probably give 1 more year.
I was thinking about Jimmy as a leader this morning. In the interview before the game he told Steve Young that he liked being just one of the guys and not having this feeling of being at a different level because he is the QB (like Tom Brady for example). But just like most businesses, it’s lonely at the top for leaders. I think Jimmy has to accept that and start calling the WRs out.
He’s a guy that likes to make anticipatory throws. That means that the WR has to be where he is supposed to be – no excuses, short of something which results in a penalty on the defense. Sanders even mentioned that (although with different wording). The young guys either run wrong routes or are too easily pushed off their route. Is it really any surprise why Jimmy has connected so well with Sanders in such an incredibly short time?
Having said that, JG is not at Wilson, Rodgers or Brady’s level where he can make the receivers around him better.
goodwin should be gone also. he is useless
Niners played terrible on offense, and were still in it down to a missed field goal. They will have better games.
As for the grades: the running backs could not and did not block well at all. The “C” is generous.
A poster once said: “The NFL Draft for the 49ers should begin in the 4th Rd.”
I agree. 49er UDFA’s and 7th Rd O-Linemen look better than their #1 picks….
Also they need to cut Gould. Calling in sick 2 days before a division rival shows the hangover he still suffers for being franchised and forcing us to use a rook
What I don’t understand is why KS on the previous possession in OT went conservative in kicking the FG and then decided to run 3 passes in the next possession thinking that all of a sudden our OL will protect, our receivers will catch the damn ball and JG will be accurate???
I am so , so , soooooo SICK AND TIRED of these Seahawks! Hate them now more than the Cowboys which I thought couldn’t be done. And even when we have them right where we want them, here comes the injuries, mistakes, turnovers, etc…right on time for them to take advantage. I just want to scream at the top of my voice. If we win last night the division is ours, and we let it slip away and now Green Bay, Saints, and Seattle are at our throats. It doesn’t matter if you have a GENIUS calling the plays if the receivers have hands of stone!
Agreed bourne cost us the game. The 2 turnovers I think he tipped to them and then the drop. He shouldn’t be in the league
The reality is when you have no kittle and sanders that receiver/TE group is horrid.
Not one guy scares you. Sign Dez!!
Man. Rough break for Blair. Very underrated player. We lose to Wilson and lose a player to him while he’s making a play.
https://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2019/11/12/ronald-blair-heading-for-mri-on-knee/
There are lots of reasons we lost the game. 1. Injuries 2. Tackles couldn’t protect Jimmy. 3. Many dropped passes. 4. Jimmy had 2 fumbles. Their are many more but fix any 1 of those and we win the game. The team is in a great place despite this being only year 3 of the rebuilt. The future looks great.
Jerry, don’t even fix any of those. Rook kicker hits his 4th like he did his first 3, they win despite one of the worst efforts in the Shannie era.
What’s up with the receivers not tucking their jerseys in? Bad look. Now get off my lawn.
The talk about replacing JG with Mullens is silly, and an over reaction. JG did not allow 7 drops, and NM would also have gotten pummeled behind that porous O line.
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However, there should be talk about benching Staley. He just looked horrendous, and was a turnstile. There should also be talk about benching Pettis, who had 2 drops. Goodwin, too. They should have played Richie James more, or put Mostert out wide as a WR.
Not sure anyone is saying that they should replace him with Mullens at this point. It would create a lot of chaos and you don’t pay your starting QB a ton of money to wear a headset.
That said, if he doesn’t take the team to the playoffs, his contract should be re-visited next season, because knowing the Mantis, there are probably some softer outs on it for the Niners and they should use as much scrutiny as possible to see if he’s worth it.
It’s in season and they need to get him some more weapons, higher grade offensive players ie WRs.
AB, maybe Dez.
Also, I’d like to see Jeff Wilson activated, even if it means de-activating Goodwin, who is pretty much useless at this point.
I am ?
This blog has chronicled the varied and multiple reasons for the shtshow that was the Niners performance last night. Yet, despite all that it took a Seahawks team the very last play of OT to eke out the win. With the Niners playing their worst game of the season by a long ways, I submit this game says more about Seahawks, and nothing good, than it does of the Niners.
Seattle have made a living winning like this for years. They’ve demonstrated time and time again that it is incredibly sustainable for them. They’re built to win games exactly like they did. All ot says about them that they’re still an opponent the Niners cannot best, and have demonstrated that they are the third best team in the conference. If the Niners want to change that, they have to go beat them at their place. There are no two ways about this. As of right now, it’s advantage Seattle.
Borrowed time Renas, borrowed time. Seahawks cannot keep winning these games by single scores , or against a severely depleted opponent on a FG as OT time expires and expect long term success. They’ve got just about as tough a second half schedule as Niners do, and have already lost to the teams you are expecting the Niners to lose to. I anticipate them coming back to earth with a big splat.
This argument has been used against them for easily half a decade now. Since their Super Bowl loss actually. Yet they keep winning games like this, in exactly this fashion. You can insist that eventually it will catch up to them and it will all fall apart but it doesn’t look likely. It’s pretty clear they’re a gritty, clutch team that knows how to win games. You have to go out and actually beat them, as if they are close late they will win the game more often than not. Yes, they have lost to Saints and Ravens. But they have the all crucial tie breaker over the Niners. Their schedule is tough, but Eagles and Vikings are easier than Ravens and Saints. Seattle will win at least 11 games, likely 12 before they face the Niners again. If the Niners can keep pace, it’ll come down to beating them in Seattle for the division. I do not think Jimmy can do that. I’d love him to do so, but based on last night, and his overall play this season I don’t fancy his chances. They have full control of this division now, and Niners are going to have to go wrestle it back. I do however think Seattle gets bounced early if they go on the road in the playoffs.
One team has a +21overall point differential. Another has a +130 point differential. Both teams play quality opponents jockeying for playoff seeding down the stretch. Which team has the better likelihood of ending up with the better record the next time the two teams meet? I suppose not the one designated with the crap defense 10 minutes into the first quarter of the first game (or am I twisting your little words there again?)
I like how you continue to reuse one single post made in the heat of the moment after the Niners left plays on the field coming off a year they were historicallly bad at getting turnovers as if that someone disqualifies anything and everything I say after it, especially when I quickly conceded the comment once the team starting making plays, and have been completely up on the defence ever since. No Rib, in that one specific incidence, you are not twisting my words. That does not mean you are not twisting my words elsewhere. As of right now, if both teams win all their games Seattle will be a half game behind when the teams face each other again, and they get the Niners at home to end the season. A place the Niners haven’t won at in a long time. Advantage Seattle. Factor in how the Saints and Ravens are better than any team the Seahawks face even if the difficulty is comparable and as of right now they are in perfect position to win the division. Point diffential isn’t going to come into it unless the Niners go to Seattle and win.
“I like how you continue to reuse one single post made in the heat of the moment”
You do this just about every week one way or the other
Hm? I mean, not really. But again, I don’t mind being wildly wrong in the heat of the moment either. The frustrations and the elevations are part of the ultimate joy of any sport. I’m merely using this as an outlet for that. I think the most controversial thing I’ve said recently was Gould needs to go after this year, and I stand by that. I don’t trust Gould making any kick. Even if I made one horrible take every week, that doesn’t have any bearing on the validity of anything else I say. I don’t recall saying anything wild last night either, for that matter. Oh yeah, I said Jimmy was playing great against Washington once. You didn’t like that, did you Jack. I guess that must be where you got that from. I mean I still felt he played a decent game, fantastic eh maybe not, but he made some plays running it. He was a damn sight better than he was last night given the conditions, that’s for sure.
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Ribico, many could argue that the reason why they played the way they did had a lot to do with the Seahawks and their pressure from Clowney, run blitzes, 8 in the box, etc…The quality of opponent was the highest its been all season last night. Despite that we had several opportunities to win. The offense and it’s lack of pass protection, its lack of play makers, and Jimmy G’s lack of accuracy and ball security were exposed last night. I am hoping that Staley was just rusty because he looked like a rookie last night against Clowney who disrupted practically every single snap he was in on.
Frank, we’ll soon see if it was “exposed” or an aberration. I’m betting the latter. Were Saints exposed by the Falcons, Packers by the Chargers, Pats by the Ravens? All excellent teams, all playoff bound, and all have turned in much worse efforts than last nights Niners.
I agree that we will have to wait and see, but one thing I am sure of is that from now on, we will see 8 in the box and will rely on Jimmy G to have to pass us to victory. Whether our receivers and offensive line can get the Job done is another story. Bill B in New England gave all the formula to beat the Rams and it seems everybody is doing it. As you already know it’s a copycat league.
By the way Ribico, I hope you are right. I don’t want to disagree with you. I love the Niners like you do. I been a huge fan of the Niners since 1970! The Ravens was the first team this year that the Patriots played that could actually fight back with talent and coaching. I believe that the Patriots were exposed, but you need the coaching and talent to make it happen. To my knowledge the Falcons didn’t get a ton of turnovers to beat the Saints at home by the way. Ill take a wait and see on how good the Saints are. I realize it was a division game, but usually with an absence of turnovers the better team should win or at least on a bad day not get blown out like they did. As far as the Chargers and Packers, what are the Packers without Aaron Rodgers? Im not sure that your examples prove your point.
Niners pass defense improved after facing “elite” QB:
https://twitter.com/LombardiHimself/status/1194331781723389953?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw
The Niners second string were beaten by Seattle’s first string. That is basically what happened. Jimmy G, in spite of his game previously, is a second-stringer still. He needs a lot more coaching, and Mullens likely would have helped win where Garapolo could not throw straight except to the defenders apparently. The returning injured played like they came back at least a week too early and were not up to full strength or speed. So, the Niners almost won against an elite first string team with their walking wounded and second string replacements.
This team will go as far as the injuries will take them , nine straight games with an injury just cannot avoid it , But all good things come to an end sooner or later the injuries will stop when is the question
Offense came out of the mini-bye playing like Mini Me, especially the receivers. Bourne always has had an “inconsistent hands” identity. Nothing new about Pettis. As Jimmy G muttered under his breath in an earlier game when he dropped a TD pass: “Every f*&%ing time”.
Feel sorry for the D. Offense has to get much better at dealing with 8-in-box or they will lose more of the 7 remaining games than they will win. Hope this was the version of the 1994 Eagles game for this Niners team.
Good call Mood. That 40-8 drubbing changed our whole season back then. I’m sure our team will respond, but I’ve lost ALL confidence in these receivers outside of Kittle, E Sanders and Dwelley. Hopefully Jimmy doesn’t lose confidence in these guys. And if he does, he needs to say something to Kyle. You can’t have Gomer Pyle in the battle, or you’ve already lost. And that’s what Bourne and Pettis look like,. Gomer Pyle with purple hair and a golden grill. Too bad Bourne and Pettis are more concerned with how they look in a uniform than how they perform in it. What did we have 8… 9?, Drops? Absurd. And look I get that Jimmy can’t be turning it over, but when you lose confidence in your teammates, you get out of rhythm. Hes now got MORE crap to process. We should have won that game. But we certainly deserved to lose it with that performance from our wide outs.
BTW did anyone else notice Bourne just STANDING there on that one that bounced off him and almost got picked? He didn’t even TRY to go back and knock it down. He just stood there and watched, and luckily it got dropped. Pathetic.
Grant, You’re a bandwagon jumping clown and if you were running this franchise you’d still be sniffing Brian Hoyers jock. Go cover the CFL in Winnipeg, because that’s what you are BUSH LEAGUE.
Time to send a WR message: Sign Deontay Burnett off the Practice Squad NOW !
https://www.google.com/search?rlz=1C1GGRV_enUS807US807&biw=1097&bih=554&ei=XxHLXaenHYne-gSTlbnwCg&q=deontay+burnett+highlights&oq=deontay+burnett+highlights&gs_l=psy-ab.3..0j0i22i30.8442.10704..11025…0.0..0.101.1033.9j2……0….1..gws-wiz…….0i67.97GHa8bQeWA&ved=0ahUKEwjn0tyOveXlAhUJr54KHZNKDq4Q4dUDCAs&uact=5
This morning Terrell Owens came on KNBR and said he is ready to join this team anytime.
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I wish to ask Kyle and Lynch to consider all of our options and give Owens a try out.
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Keep would also warrant a try. We are so close to a Super Bowl and we should be doing everything necessary to take advantage.
Wow what are you smoking, let me know which plant it is because it must be real good for you to think like that.
TYVM
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I can share if you’re ever in my neck of the woods.. ;p
You are being fooled by my catfish. When do you think I would ever invite you over?
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TO is over the hill, but JL should take a page out of the Bill Walsh bible, and conduct some WR tryouts.
My catfish would be better served to focus on reading comprehension.
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I never invited anyone over. I simply stated I would be willing to share the goods.
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My catfish should try it sometime.
T. O.?… That’s taking it a little far, but I sure wish we had contested the ‘Hawks signing of Gordon with an offer of our own.
Metcalf, Lockett and Gordon were far more clutch than our WRs…. I do still hold hope for Deebo and Hurd when he comes back. I bet Jimmy force feeds Hurd.
He was on waivers. Basic knowledge- Seattle had an opportunity before us to claim him.
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Research before posting?
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Why am I made to suffer these simpletons?
Dude why are you coming at me? I’ve schooled YOU on rules on many occasions. Don’t eve. Attempt to condescend to me loser
So I made a slip. You do it every time you post and I see right through you Grant’s teachers pet. It is painfully obvious what you do
I find your comment quite offensive as a matter of principle.
Eels, sorry, that was my catfish.
Kaep is holding a practice for teams in Atlanta on Saturday.
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The Niners would be wise to send Lynch and the entire scout team to get him signed as a possible replacement for Jimmy G should he continue to not produce.
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I like Jimmy but my support for him is waning. I am thinking a fraction of that money would bring in a dual threat quarterback with super bowl experience.
More catfish nonsense.
The narratives from this game….just imagine how much they change with that kick being good.
Jack our RECEIVER rotation SUCKED in the clutch. Win lose or tie
The acquisitions of Clowney and Gordon took Seattle from a one man show, to a severe threat to anyone.
Still trying to eject Seb’s last narrative about the 45 year old, Owens, from my mind, while he demeans our 23 yr old NFL Special Teams Player of the Week.
The Press Democrat’s obsequious narcissist continues to lower the bar on this site.
No, I am simply saying that they should have been patient, maybe traded back for more picks, and still selected him in a later round. Even if they missed out on him, there were still some good punters available, even in free agency.
Catfish alert ?
Ha ha! C’mon, man — give us fans a chance to grumble, mope, chafe, despair, sulk and be generally despondent after 9 weeks of exuberance…..
Exactly, Hammer.
My take isn’t much different. I’m not that impressed with Seattle needing a FG as OT runs out to barely squeak by a severely undermanned Niners team.
Shanahan should have run the ball the last 9er possession of OT. The Seahawks weren’t loading the box anymore and they could have broken a long run and it would have slowed down the pass rush. Lastly even if they hadn’t scored a tie was as good as a win for the 9ers they would still be undefeated for playoff seeding with a 2 game lead over the Seahawks.
thank youfor a clear reason to take the tie. i said that last night and was called a f—king idiot by the resident football genius of this blog
Well I only said what everyone else was thinking.
Sorry, this catfish is trying to create fights. Take every post of mine with a grain of salt.
Have you tried using a different email, Sebbie? You can pick a different image and link it to that one, on the same gravitar account.
Renas, thank you. I plan on major changes, but think my computer is infected, since I am getting microsoft account notifications. Hopefully, my son will straighten things out.
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I hope you will continue to post, I value your insights, but as a favor to me, please tone it down a bit. Lord knows, I have been wrong, and have been argumentative at times, but this site needs less strife, and more civility.
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This will be the last engagement with you, and all others on this site, so if you do see the catfish, assume it is him, not me. I plan on assuming a new name, on a new account. Until then, I will continue to post, but with no expectations of feedback or engagement.
Getting a tie may perhaps been a tactical loss / bad optics, but definitely would have been a strategic win from the viewpoint that winning the division is what really matters. I agree that Kyle should have run the ball.
You don’t play for a tie, but your take on a rush attempt makes sense. If not a run, how about a quick outside screen to Samuel? Get the clock moving, pick up some yards and start rolling.
Another learning moment for Jimmy G (and Kyle)
https://twitter.com/JimTrotter_NFL/status/1194298303178932224
So did Geno Smith call head or tails here? Holy Mercury Retrograde.
https://twitter.com/ComplexSports/status/1194286191950155781
You watch enough football, 67 seasons and counting and you come to realize that not all games are masterpieces.
Breath my brothers.
All seasons ebb and flow.
We know this team is good, can it ibe better… you bet it can.
Sit back and let the season unfold… take from me , it is the best way to enjoy ride.
I hear you, Hacksaw46. However, I dont think it was so much the loss itself as who the loss was against – the damn bloody Seachickens again! The frustration at the continued “ownage” among many of The Faithful is palpable. For me, it’s less “they own us” but more of “why do the football Gods love them so much more”.
Not to take away from their talents, but the Seahawks just seem (overall) to be a lucky team. From the “rent-a-ref” touchdown win over the Packers to the way they keep eking out wins in “could have gone either way” games this season. Case in point from last night: the Chickens win the OT coin toss – of course they did. They got to play the Niners sans Kittle and Sanders – of course they did. etc. etc.
Whatever, the Niners are an up and coming team and will get their revenge on that “evil” organization up north. This I feel is inevitable, which is what made last night’s pill so hard to choke down.
Good grades, Grant. Very thoughtful analysis!
49ers / Packers flexed to Sunday Night Football
49ers / Rams flexed to Saturday Night Football
That’s cool.
There are some truly insane fans on here.
“Serenity now, insanity later”?
Fan, short for fanatic.
Possessed by demons. That explains some of the commentary.
As some adept poster posted on media elsewhere:
1st place for now at least..yes…..lets hope it stays that way after this weekend..need to bounce back, AZ had our number last game
Staley has a dislocated finger and a fracture. No idea how long he may be out.
Blair out for season.
Injury Updates from Kyle Shanahan:
Ronald Blair – ACL (will go on IR)
Matt Breida – Aggravated ankle (day to day)
DJ Jones – Groin (expected to miss a week)
Joe Staley – finger fracture (getting second opinion, could require surgery)
Emmanuel Sanders – Rib (day to day)
#49ers
After watching the game I thought to myself. .”hey why don’t they put Pettis at PR duties (which he excelled at in College) and RJames at WR (21.6 yards per catch)………I think its a novel idea”….sometimes this team is baffling= it makes no sense
Wagner saying they knew Jimmy’s checks is another reminder Shanahan is not always the smartest guy in the room. His adjustment and game management going forward should be closely scrutinized. Eager to see how he does.
Yes however without Kittle and Sanders its not hard to figure out…. Jimmy Clooney hates to throw to Pettis, Goodwin is worthless and Bourne has butterfingers…so just flare out on his checks…..Jimmy did have the’ deer in the headlights’ look almost all game though= reminded of of that preseason game….or that practice game where he threw up garbage to the defenders or in this case the other team…….he pretty much spotted the Seahags 21 points on his own this game
Anyone do a welfare check on Razor and PT yet?
I sent Razor an e mail couple of hours ago havn’t heard back.
I am hopeful. Like the Saints, the Niners were believing their press clippings, and thought they were above reproach.
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They should take this loss, and learn from it. KS reverted to the SB KS, and never, ever should consider himself a genius. Yes, he is very smart, even brilliant at times and can cleverly design plays and a game plan, but he froze in the heat of battle. He should say- ‘after this last Seahawk game, I do not want to ever be referred to as a genius, until I win a couple SBs.’
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The O line was a facade, and the Seahawks ripped right through it. The Niner O line coaches have a big task ahead of them.
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Welker may be a SB winning WR, but his coaching was pathetic. He did not adequately prepare his WRs to play fundamental football. Those drops were a lack of preparation, focus and concentration. Like what Whitner just said, the WRs should focus on catching the ball, securing it, and not think about running after the catch, even if it means falling to the ground. Many drops were past the sticks, so they still get a new set of downs, even with no run after the catch. Catching the ball is paramount. Dropping balls hurts the team. Batting the ball into the air for a pick is a double sin, and never should happen. JG delivered the ball, and they let him down. Pettis should be de-activated each game, until he can show he will attack the ball, and make catches in practice. They should let Goodwin do some fly sweeps and reverses, so he gets the ball without having to worry about catching it, and let him utilize his speed.
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I sure hope that KS utilizes the Niner RBs more in the passing game, and the TEs. too. Maybe line up Dwelley as a receiver, since Juice is back. They should study how they utilized Roger Craig in the passing game.
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I am still hopeful, despite the offensive struggles. Why? Because of the defense. It sucks that Blair is out, but that will give Julian Taylor his opportunity to shine. Next man up. Warner played one heck of a game, and Greenlaw played like a grizzled veteran. His pick was huge, and should have won the game for them. With this Niner defense, playing NINER FOOTBALL, they still could have won. No matter what, the Niners have a good chance to win at least 3 more games with their defense, which would put their record at 11-5, and in the playoffs.
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On special teams, the Niners should become more innovative. Relying on a raw green rookie kicker to win the game, proved to be too much pressure. Too bad he choked, but the Niners had a good chance to defeat the Seahawks. Maybe KS should have gone for it on 4th down. If made, they could have gotten closer for an easier try, and it would have burned off time on the clock, since the Seahawks were out of time outs. KS should improve his game and clock management skills. JG seems to be able to get at least a yard on his QB sneaks.
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Here is an idea. Let Nick Mullens handle the holding for the kicks, not Wishnowsky. Then, let Wishnowsky make some field goal tries, especially over 50 yards. He is a rugby player, so he should be well experienced kicking the ball. Let Gould handle the shorter kicks, but if he is injured, Wishnowsky could fill in, and possibly amply justify his 4th round status. The added bonus would be for Mullens to be a threat to keep the ball, and bootleg or pass for the first down.
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I will continue to make constructive criticisms, and I hope the Niners will not dismiss them out of hand, because they need help, and need to improve. Richard Sherman is right, and since he invites criticism, I will respectfully oblige. Maybe next time, the Niners will punch the Seahawks in the mouth, instead of the other way around.
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On another note, this catfish is trying to be so obnoxious, he is being divisive and trying to start fights. Therefore, I will refrain from engaging with the other posters, and just post my missives, with no expectation of feedback or engagement.Take every post with a boulder of salt. I plan on rebooting my computer with the help of my son, and plan on using a new name, on a new account I also plan on writing the PD, so this catfishing can stop.
Sigh. My catfish yet again.
Blah,….blah,….blah,….blah,….etc…..So Jimmy G had a bad night…Joe had some of those too…but if memory serves me right, Joe didn’t have a bunch of pseudo Olinemen in front of him, Joe (Staley) was brought back too soon, as was Mount McGlinchey….Richburg is on the wrong teams payroll….and MAN !…Do we ever need O Guards…. Yeah, we had a whole bucketfull of drops, but Jimmy was off target.. high, behind and in front of his receivers, which I believe was survival-mode…he had no time to set up and throw….How ’bout we all take a deep breath and accept that on that night, we were NOT the better team. Maintain some dignity
The only thing that sucks more than the forty niners losing to the Seahawks, is reading the comments section.
I am almost 66 years old and have been watching football since I was about 7. I have seen it all including every super bowl. The overreaction by some fans to this game is on par with a 13 year old girl having a temper tantrum because her mom would not let her wear some proactive outfit to school.
Get a grip people. The niners could have won this game. There quarterback got them into position to kick a game winning field goal. There defense played exceptional, against a great quarterback. The offense was without their two top receivers. Their other receivers’ dropped 8 balls. Their quarterback took a beating. The head coach got out coached. They should have ended up with a tie a worst. ( which would have been a wash regarding records with Seattle). If the kicker would have made that field goal for the win. Half of these comments would be ludicrous.
Fortunately this blog represents a very small portion of the Faithful but yeah, rather sad to read some of these comments… Best Niners team in years but some will always find something to bitch about.
Paul,
Just as a team takes on the personality of the coach, so does the general blog behavior takes after the blog owner!
Hopefully you will share some of your insights on this blog.
and so is this ludicrous message of yours….there is their ……or is their there????/ a loss to a division Rival (anybody else remember Sherman eating a drumstick at Levi’s???) some fans will pout no doubt…..it was an ugly horribly coached and played game in from of millions of football fans….shameful if you ask me…piss poor more like it….coulda woulda shoulda game that falls on Coach and QB
I like the other opinions some are valid some not…what I don’t like is being attacked personally by said posters and most of these come from the same viotators…the rest is all good….
I have fond memories of momz taking me to Candlestick and rooting for Brodie and Gene Washington Ted Kwalick etc etc
I Rarely post anything, anywhere. However you pointed out the misuse of the world There, instead of Their, in my comment. I did try to correct the spelling but alas, I am an old man that is not the most proficient with computers.
For the record you made a couple of typos in your reply. Let me point them out to you. “viotators” I don’t believe that is in the dictionary. “Momz” not in the dictionary either.
I spent many hours at Candlestick also. It was a good place for a football game, a terrible place for baseball. I still have a couple of “Croix de Candlestick” medals , which were given out for extra inning night games. The Giants new ballpark is outstanding.
Well I will close with this, I notice you post quite a bit, if you reply to me , do not expect a response from me.
More evidence that the officiating was Terminator 3-6 bad.
http://www.knbr.com/2019/11/11/video-appears-to-show-referee-incorrectly-ruled-seahawks-won-overtime-coin-toss/
The link to an article on KNBR.com by Jacob Hutchinson is not wanting to upload on this page, so here is copy and paste of said article.
Kyle Shanahan has now coached 5 games against Seattle as 49ers head coach. The offense has accounted for a total of 75 points in those games. An average of 15 per game.
Interesting that Kyle said he should have gone for the tie.
Not exactly. He said in hindsight, given how it ended up going, he wished he’d have taken three knees for the tie instead. Key there being knowing how it ended – again, something of a tongue-in-cheek comment from him. Shanahan was right to play to win, but in hindsight different plays should have been called to ensure the clock was still ticking.
Yes. I agree. During the heat of the moment he wouldn’t go for the tie, but with hindsight he would. Still, it’s interesting to ponder. Given that a tie would still have given the team a two game lead in the division instead of one and given the poor OL and WR play….. OTOH, his rookie kicker was 3 for 3 with kicks that were pretty much down the middle. But the way he “yanked” that last kick into the tunnel was embarrassing.
I sometimes get the impression that KS does get caught up in the heat of the moment esp. at the end of the half or game. Does he have someone advising him on the sideline during the game? I’m sure it’s very easy to get caught up in the “trees” of the game and sometimes not be able to see the “forest” of the situation.
However, I’m sure it’s never anything that gets discussed before the game; i.e. KS and advisors sit in a room and discuss what they should do if they have a chance to tie the game. While perhaps a good strategic move in this particular situation, it goes against the grain of “football” men.
Yes against a horrible defense this game they looked like world beaters…shameful
I’m rooting for the Niners to lose out to close the season. There must be more scrutiny on Lynch. After 3 drafts, who are the decent picks? Kittle, Bosa, who else?
True not wanting to lose…the thing that is upsetting is the WR core….3 years and they are still terrible…..you pay Jimmy Clooney what 166MILLION and surround his with clowns at WR…..Pettis?? Bourne?? Goodwin?? its been a big fail at WR even Garcon couldn’t do squat…..some weird “vibe” at that position and its a position that Kyle used to play and coach….but yes the drafting has been weirdo….moving up to take CJ and Pettis and who else? Prob is they are not letting the scouts do their jobs
Recently, Sebbie got a lot of flak for suggesting teams bring in players for intel, to learn more about opposing units. I was one of the people giving him flak. This was unfair of me, so I apologise Sebbie.
https://youtu.be/6egZ4OYUm1U
Timestamp: 8:45
DeAngelo Hall states that some coaches, including Mike Shanahan, will bring in players off another teams practice squad for keys and tips. I don’t think it’s as integral as Sebbie claimed it was, but it was treated like it was ludicrous, yet here we have a former NFL pro state that it happens and isn’t particularly uncommon.
Yes and no….teams have had “spies” for years and years nothing new……don’t really need that now because now coaches are afforded “game tape” or as Dingleberry put it “go back and watch da film”….lol….now teams can study up on the team you are playing next by watching the film…the information age….has nothing to do with SlebRaider the PinataBoy…of Hall or whoever just reality .. nothing new
Shannon Sharpe on yesterday’s Undisputed said Jimmy is a “liability” to the Niners and that the team “won’t go far” in the playoffs because of his turnovers. He also said that Jimmy was behind in his development, that he should now be beyond these turnover issues.
This is the disappointing factor here. All season long, I’ve felt that the team was disrespected by exclusion on topics. Every time the best in the NFC has been discussed, it has been the Saints, and the Packers and the Seahawks, with the Niners as an afterthought, if mentioned at all. Now they are getting discussed and it’s almost all negative. I don’t place too much stock in what is said, as we as fans watch more Niner games and understand the core issues better, though some media guys have mentioned the drops and injuries. I hope Jimmy is keepong these clippings, and uses them as motivation not just for the rematch, but the remainder of the season. Not just Jimmy, the whole team, particularly the offence. This is going to be the narrative for now, and frankly I have to say Grant has been right in regards to Jimmy Garoppolo being the variable that will either take the team far or limit it down. If the team takes care of business, the narratives will change.
On the inverse, I’m disappointed to see power rankings still having the Niners number 1. Let’s imagine the roles were revsersed, and the 8-2 Niners went into Seattle and beat the 8-0 Seahawks. We’d have issue with the Niners being ranked below them, right? I think the team does better when they’re not getting all the kudos they deserve, and I don’t want to fall into a sense of complacency assuming everything will just be fine. Going to learn a lot about this team over November.
Unfortunatley Shannon Sharpe is correct……Jimmy Clooney is an unproven commodity and paid what over a MILLION a game to fumble through his reads….this is the correct assesment= he is learning on the job but being paid as a superbowl winner… strange indeed….me= just go with Mullins and with the money saved get some decent WR’s in here…..strange though Mullins never had a problem throwing to Pettis or anybody for that matter…Jimmy has some negative vibe going on with the WR’s…..its putting a hold on the progress
Forget the rankings its for the pundits
“Grant has been right in regards to Jimmy Garoppolo being the variable that will either take the team far or limit it down.”
That’s a Bill Walsh line that Grant keeps repeating. Of course it’s correct. The funny part is the issues we saw with Garoppolo on Monday have been there all along but you kept chirping away about how Grant and others had it wrong. Now, after one loss, in a game that the receivers dropped 7-9 passes and he had the team in position to win the game you all of a sudden believe him? Holy smokes, you weren’t kidding yesterday when you wrote, “Overreaction time”.
“he is learning on the job but being paid as a superbowl winner”
Hmm, remind me again which Super Bowl Carson Wentz, Goff, Ryan, or Cousins have won.
This is a tired way of ripping a player. Garoppolo’s being paid the going rate for a non-rookie at his position.
OK Jack fair enough….NO I normall side with Grant normally he has it right= you got the wrong guy…
Garoppolo is really not that good sorry IMHO..time will tell..and yes the WR core is stinky..I mentioned that on here long long ago nothing new…..in fact the WR has been stinky since Baalke dismantled the good team.
So why does Pettis put up good numbers when Mullins is throwing to him but Jimmy throws a tissy when Pettis is out there??? its weird like a “negative vibe”….just an observation…Mullins throws to anybody and they tend to catch it…watch some of Jimmy’s passes they wobble and are high….
Me I just have a hard time paying someone a million plus a game to stink it up… just my own opinion…its fair to rip a guy after losing a game….that’s why they are paid the big bugs to suck it up…I like Jimmy but is he the holy grail that will send the team into a decade of winning???? I think not…there were what 5 interceptions dropped..5 INterCEPTIONS dropped …let that sink in…the game should have been over if the Seachicks catch one more int….we all saw that Jack….Jimmy throws to the other team HELLO
Monty: Did you read the long excerpt that Mid posted. KS openly questions Pettis and mentions that he is not taking advantage of opportunities. Forget the QB, this is the HC and OC. Pettis is not tough enough to play in the NFL. Yes, he has some abilities, but those are easily taken away by tough defenders. I think the coaching staff is pretty much done with him (relatively speaking, he’s getting less playing time).
If Kittle and Sanders (or probably just either one alone) had played in that game, the 49ers would have won.
Jack is right about salaries. Look at how much Goff is making. Like it or not it’s the going rate for QBs not playing on a rookie contract. Reminds me of real estate in SF.
Cubus great points man…..cannot disagree…..just stating my own humble biased opinion..LOL
Pettis did fine with Mullins throwing the ball though….Jimmy puts negative energy out there and gets it back …..if Jimmy can shame Pettis he gets a free pass on INT’s…its really sad considering the pay scale…..Jimmy sould be paid the same as Mullins till he proves PROVES he won’t make boneheaded plays and be negative towards your teammates…
Except this is not the first time I’ve been critical of Jimmy this season Jack. Remember the Rams game? I also haven’t said Grant was wrong in regards to this turnovers. But as long as the team was winning games, it didn’t matter. Well the team just lost, at home, to a division rival. On 11 days rest. A large part of that was because of Jimmy. Given that this was the first top top team Garoppolo faced this year, I wanted to give Grant some kudos, because he might, stress, might, be on to something. It’s up to Garoppolo to prove otherwise now.
No doubt you’ll read a lot more out of what I said, than what I actually said, but that’s all I care to add to the matter.
“But as long as the team was winning games, it didn’t matter.”
Yeah, this is what I was getting at. Thanks for proving my point.
“Well the team just lost, at home, to a division rival. On 11 days rest. A large part of that was because of Jimmy.”
And if McLaughlin makes the kick, the 49ers win and the entire narrative surrounding Garoppolo in this game changes. He becomes the hero for overcoming the play of his line and receivers. Wilson is then the goat because of his fumble and pick in OT. Taking that one step further, probably one too far, if Bourne holds onto the ball at the 10 late in the 4th they might have scored a TD instead and there is no OT at all.
“I wanted to give Grant some kudos, because he might, stress, might, be on to something.”
Of course Grant is on to something. He quoting Bill Walsh
Jack, Jimmy has been defended largely because of his win loss ratio. You can give me all the reasons why he lost, but the bottom line is he lost, and his play was part of the reason why. Jimmy doesn’t get all these excuses when he loses in my book. I’m merely holding up my own standard.
“but the bottom line is he lost, and his play was part of the reason why”
Yes. And yet he had the 49ers in position to win, and the kick was missed.
It seems as though you’re basing your opinion of Garoppolo’s play only on W’s/L’s.
The things we saw from Garoppolo on Monday we have seen throughout the year. From the dropped interceptions, to the missed receivers, to the “happy feet”, etc.
I agree with most things said…..Jimmy is the 9th highest paid QB in the NFL makes more than BRADY
Brees and Mahomes wtf??? is that???? to throw to the other team and make boneheaded plays….
Just playing the devil’s advocate here= he is not playing up to the pay period…prob never ever will sorry..
Not trying to call anyone out just stating what is obvious here….this team still has a QB and WR mystery. If it were me I would take a closer look at Mullins and with the money saved get some talent around him…..couldn’t hurt= its the future…Mullins broke all of Brett Favre’s records in college no ez feat….
Seattle dropped 5 INT’s and caught one….with any luck they come away with 4 INT’s and the game gets out of hand and its a sloppy loss one to pin on JimmyP….its the only point I am trying to make….nothing more
“makes more than BRADY
Brees and Mahomes”
If Brady and Brees were 27-29 right now they’d be making 30+ million per. Mahomes is on his rookie deal still, that will change soon.
“Seattle dropped 5 INT’s and caught one….”
That’s nothing new, and not something I was disagreeing with.
Yes is Jimmy better than Brady Brees or Mahomes????…no not even close…so why then is he being paid so much to throw to the other team and be mediocre???
This is the question that Lynch and Co need to address….not trying to snipe anyone= its an obvious question though and I think a valid one….
Fixed that for you monty. Hammer addressed already, but you can be sure Mahomes next contract will truly boggle the mind.
“why then is he being paid so much to throw to the other team and be mediocre???”
Because the team chose to make a trade for a QB coming off his rookie deal and to give themselves an early out they basically gave Garoppolo the franchise tag salary.
Brees and Brady have been paid their big money. They’re now at a different stage in their careers. That’s the point i guess i failed to get across by writing that they’d be making much more of they were 27-29.
Here ya go Jimmy fans
https://twitter.com/ParkerLewisJR/status/1194442163603460097
So Kaepernick is having a workout on saturday, I wish him the best, but NO he will never ever come back to SF, 49ermates get over it, it was Kyle Shannahan and John Lynch who made the decision to release him as well, we all know that if Kyle and John would have wanted him , they would have kept him, so my point is, I wish him the best, but he will never come back to SF, Jimmy G is our starter and Nick Mullens our future.
Amen to Nick Mullens…..need to see him start next year,,,,enough of these INT’s or dopped Int’s….guy is a serious baller
All this love for Nick Mullens. Do I think he is a good backup QB for this system. Hell yes; but a backup. But posters love to bring up the fact that “Mullens” beat Seattle last year. Well, actually it was the team that won, but okay.
If we’re going to play that game, then let’s remember that “Mullens” lost to Arizona twice last year – you know, the team that had the worst record in the NFL and the number one pick in the draft.
Beathard was the QB in the first Arizona game last year
Yes, my bad as I posted below. Still doesn’t change my point.
Jack:
Do me a favor and check on who played the second game against Arizona last year. My original source said it was Mullens, but now I’ve got a contrary source that says it was Beathard. If it was in fact, Beathard, then I need to retract my statement regarding Mullens.
That was Beathard as well.
Mullens made his first start the following week against Oakland.
https://www.pro-football-reference.com/boxscores/201810280crd.htm#all_player_offense
@cutbus, Mullens lost to AZ? I dont really think you are a big fan of this team anymore, it was CJ Beathard. Know your facts before speaking.
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Exactly…Mullins was the one bright spot in a bleak year…..JimmyP got hurt doing another boneheaded thing….
The thing that is exasperating about Jimmy is he will have a decent game= or make some really nice throws= then do the boneheaded thing…..like throwing to the other team
I do hope we win and do well but it is obvious the QB needs to play well and earn his top pay and not throw the dadgum ball to the other team period its simple as that…I don’t forsee this changing though its in his dna that’s why BB decided to trade him and go with the senior citizen LOL
You are correct, it was Beathard for both games. I was thinking of the loss Mullens had to the lowly Giants where he threw 2 interceptions and then the following game threw another two interceptions against Tampa Bay. “Mullens” lost to both the Giants and Bucs. Both of those teams finished 5 and 11 in 2018.
Yes, Mullens did look like a rookie playing against the Giants and Bucs, dont know why we still have CJ Beathard though, we should trade him for a 4rth or 5th.
I think CJ is on the team because KS wants QBs who have a decent understanding of his offense. It’s probably too difficult to bring in someone and teach him the offense (esp. the calls) in the middle of the season. OTOH, if it would get to that point, they probably could bring in Speight who should be familiar with the offense. Wikipedia says he is currently not on any roster, but there’s no guarantee that he would be available. But given the good season, you’d probably rather roll the dice with CJ than Speight – the defense could probably still keep us in the games.
Do you know if the team has received those offers for CJB?
Hey guys have a great day!!!! I am out……I will let others argue about things now….take care guys!!!
“Fortunately this blog represents a very small portion of the Faithful but yeah, rather sad to read some of these comments… Best Niners team in years but some will always find something to bitch about.”
It’s not a team that’s arrived, it’s a team that’s evolving and along the way, changes and edits need to occur. It’s like when you’re cooking something, if the taste isn’t right you add ingredients, spices, or you thin it out.
That’s what people do here.
When Shanahan has winning seasons, three years in a row, then there’s cause to be more than just faithful.
I for one, am not going to be too critical of JG. It is hard to perform well with a turnstile O line, and butterfingers WRs.
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Yes, Wagner stated that they read what JG’s tendencies were in the game so they started to jump the routes, but it is incumbent on the coaches to continually morph plays so the offense is more unpredictable.
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In this last game, the Seahawk defense stacked the box, and focused on taking away the short and intermediate passes. The Niner coaching did not respond well. They needed to make quick and timely adjustments. The Niner runs tended to be into the teeth of the defense, with bunched sets.
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Thankfully, Sanders is not too injured, so JG still has a go-to receiver. Otherwise, the Niners should poach a WR from a playoff team’s PS, or conduct a widespread search for a WR with tryouts. AB is an option, but he may not be worth the headache.
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The Niner offense needs to be more balanced. I would like them to take advantage of the opponent’s defensive speed by doing more counters, misdirections and reverses. Saving plays for later sounds smart, but maybe it might have helped them win last game, to have used one of those saved plays. Screens, draws and swing passes were noticeably lacking last game.
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However, catching passes would have won the game. 7 drops were egregious unforced errors, and made JG’s job so much harder. He cannot build timing and trust if the receivers have stone hands. JG is not the problem, the WRs are the weakness of this offense.
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Pettis is benching himself. Grant does not need to call him a bust, his own coaches are shouting that in his ear. Goodwin seems to not have his head in the game. Bourne is hot and cold, but his tipping passes to the defense makes him a liability. Deebo had a good game, but he also dropped a very catchable ball.
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JG was harried and pressured all game. When he did roll out, the receivers did not come back for the ball, and seemingly gave up on wanting to help their QB. The WR coaching needs massive improvement. JG was sacked 5 times, because he had no one to throw to.
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The Niner coaches need to stop advertising the fact that they are going to pass. It just tightens coverage, and pass rushers tee off to rush to a spot. The Niners need to present formations that they can run or pass out of. Making them less predictable, will make their job easier. Having Juice back should help.
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JG cannot carry the team all by himself. Like what Belichick, and the Patriots stress, each player must do their job. JG can orchestrate the offense, but not if a player is out of tune. If they sync up with timing, rhythm and tempo, they can create sweet music, If not, it devolves into a cacophony of dissonance.
Looks like Damontre Moore is back
https://www.ninersnation.com/2019/11/13/20963385/49ers-free-agency-damontre-moore-re-sign-nfl
Blah, Blah Blah. We’re 8-1. Jimmy – sorry – gimme a break.
You missed a huge point. Bot only did Bourne miss the huge tipped pass that went for a terrible INT that turned the game around but he also missed the biggest pass of the game at the 4 yard line that would have given niners first snd goal at the 4 yard line likely resulting in a 4 point lead instead of only 3. A TD there would have likely clinched a ein as Seattle could not score a TD!
Further your grade if a C for coaches was way overly generous as the cosches cost the gsme big time! Going For the long FG in OT with rookie kicker released by Chargers was very low chance and much less than going fir a first down on fourth and half a yard! Plus a first down would have allowed niners to run fown the vlock snd get into much closer FG range or score a decisive game winning TD! Getting a first fiwn was much better odds than the low FG try which also resulted in giving Hawks ball in much better field position.
Even after the niss the defense held and the coaches play calling was horrendous on not being able to st a minimum run out the game clock and guarantee a tie that would have been huge in the standings rather than a loss! Coaches get an F-! Shanahan was asked about going for the first dawn in OT rather than the kick in OT And said he bever considered it! Shame on him! That is unacceptable and a huge unforgiving coaching blunder!!!
Injuries are tearing this team apart. 49ers had a potential Super Bowl line up on paper, but now they will be hard pressed to keep competitive over last 7 games. Unprecedented? Nothing but bad news on additional injuries, relapses, and overly optimistic injury updates by Shanny and Lynch. Sad. Hoped new training and strength regimen would help. Are players roidng up again? Are offensive and defensive techniques/play calling exposing players to more injury risk? Every year same old story on player injuries.