SANTA CLARA — The results on the field say Nick Mullens is a better quarterback than C.J. Beathard. But head coach Kyle Shanahan says they’re “dead even.”
Mullens and Beathard each have started five games in 2018. Mullens’ completion percentage is 63.8; Beathard’s is 60.4. Mullens’ quarterback rating is 93.5; Beathard’s is 81.8. Mullens has committed six turnovers; Beathard has committed 10. Mullens has taken 10 sacks; Beathard has taken 18. Mullens has won two games; Beathard has won zero.
And yet, Shanahan won’t give Mullens the edge over Beathard. Those two must compete to be the backup quarterback during next year’s training camp. Shanahan explained why Wednesday morning.
“It starts with how they were coming out of college, their ceiling and who you think has the most ability,” Shanahan said. “Then, it goes to practice each day. Some of the throws and the plays that people make — that’s where C.J. was ahead of (Mullens) and beat him out. Nick got his opportunity because of injury. He’s been very consistent in games. He’s played very well, and that’s why he hasn’t lost (the starting job).”
In other words, even though Mullens has outplayed Beathard, Shanahan believes Beathard may have more physical ability and long-term potential. That’s what the 49ers believed when they traded up for Beathard in the third round of the 2017 draft, then waited to sign Mullens as an undrafted free agent.
“I’ve been around the league for a while,” Shanahan said. “You study 30 (quarterbacks) every year and usually less than 10 of them get drafted. So, you’ve got a feel on the type of guys that get drafted, the type of guys that don’t. We didn’t think (Mullens) was going to get drafted. When you don’t think someone’s going to get drafted, then you don’t need to draft him.
“You have to have a certain amount of talent to play in the NFL. You have to have the requirement to get into the club. (Mullens) has enough (talent) to be successful, and he’s detailed and deliberate in everything he does.”
But he doesn’t have overwhelming talent. He has just enough, according to Shanahan.
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“The same year, Baker Mayfield won the Heisman Trophy. Mayfield is a quarter-inch shorter than Mullens and averaged just eight more passing yards per game than Mullens during their final two seasons in college.”
“But NFL talent evaluators didn’t downgrade Mayfield because he’s short. Instead, the league invited Mayfield to the combine and the Cleveland Browns took him with the top pick in the 2018 draft.”
Nick Mullens: Conference USA
Baker Mayfield: Big 12
Shanny is defending his poor draft selection(s). Kyle is in error to omit Mullens’ maturity, judgment aND LEADERSHIP. Those things are important on this team which lacks real leadership.
He can’t defend drafting CJ, he just doesn’t want to throw him under the bus in public. FA’s might not sign with us if they know the HC will trash them. Trashing players that are on their way out is a bad look.
Wrt Mullens, Kyle is starting him over CJ. Watch Kyle’s actions and stop believing his coach speak, he knows Mullens is better. Witherspoon got to cocky in the offseason and played poorly earlier this year. Could it be that Kyle doesn’t want Mullens to get complacent?
Mullins has been Stellar
He did something in his first game not done in 40 years.
He put up numbers in Seattle seen only 2 other times the last several years.
He as your stat just said, has put up the most back to back yards since Montana.
And he’s tied with CJ lol
Okay Kyle. Okay
Keep trying to justify that horrible pick.
Keep trying Kyle
This example is a perfect metaphor for how our present society functions. Perception will trump reality.
Good article.
Trump reality?
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Very punny. ;p
Beathard is healthy but still on the bench.
Mullens is the starter.
I’d venture that he is ahead in the competition.
Next year will take care of itself.
1. The Niners want to trade CJ. Kyle is hyping CJ because he wants to get a late round pick for him if possible.
2. KS doesn’t want to destroy CJ’s confidence because CJ will be our #2 QB next year, and they plan on trading Mullens in a year where they’re short on draft picks and long on holes.
3. Grant’s scenario where KS puts his pride ahead of the team.
We are in sync, but they should trade back to get more picks and keep Mullens as the backup, because JG is coming back from an ACL.
The first scenario in my post is what I think will happen and what I would do.
It would take an offer I couldn’t refuse to trade Mullens. I’m all for a modest trade back in the draft if Bosa is gone. I can’t pass on Bosa, well unless Oakland gives us three1st’s.
Why do you guys hate the 49ers so much….after years of struggling to find a QB….we finally have 2 good ones enough to win games with but instead you want to trade one of them for picks you are not even sure will pan out…..
Isn’t this nuts ?…..
Why not keep both and cross out any future need of a QB….
Anyone suggesting trading Mullens is clueless…
I already said what I would do, trade CJ if you can.
Trade?…. I will cut CJB after next season 3rd preseason game …..not everything is about draft picks…….
” I will cut CJB after next season 3rd preseason game …..not everything is about draft picks……”
If you can get a draft pick for a guy you want to cut, you take it. Even if you have to give them your pick from the same round just so you can move up a few spots in that round.
Just cutting players without pursuing a possible trade is bad business.
Dude….wake up….this is not Madden…..no GM would be stupid enough to trade for CJB…..
They do it all the time in NFL real life…..get your nose out the lines and see reality……
Players get cut everyday and get claimed thru waivers.. if I am a GM why would I give up draft picks if I can pick up the player through waivers……
Yes it’s a possibility……..i can recall but please share with us where that scenario did happen….
I know a CJ trade isn’t likely. But you said “I will cut CJB after next season 3rd preseason game …..not everything is about draft picks.”
Meaning you wouldn’t even pursue anything. He’s a Shanahan QB. Contrary to what some people think on here, KS is well respected, that could inflate CJ’s value.
“Yes it’s a possibility……..i can recall but please share with us where that scenario did happen”
https://247sports.com/LongFormArticle/Grading-the-trades-made-so-far-in-the-John-Lynch-era-123662167/
“The Ravens were about to cut Zuttah before the 49ers swooped in and made this trade, allowing the Ravens to move up 12 spots in Round 6 while bringing Zuttah to San Francisco in return. Zuttah didn’t pan out, but it was worth the low exchange price to see if they could make it work.”
C’mon #80….zuttah…..lol….cmon dude……i had a feeling you would bring up one……even lynch would deny making the trade
…good job -never doubted your research skills
……..am not saying it can’t happen but seriously in this NFL reality it’s just hard to see it happening……
But are right it happen…
I didn’t have to do any research. I remembered the Zuttah trade because it involved our team and it was less than two years ago. I only posted the link as proof.
1. Highly doubt CJ even gets late round pick.
2. Mullens is #2 , 9ers trade back 1st rd pick.
3. Seems like this is what’s happening here.
KS will not criticize CJB. He should praise him effusively, and even let him play to showcase his talents. That will boost his trade value.
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By saying the competition is neck and neck, KS wants to get a 4th or 5th round pick for CJB. The Skins, with the Bobby Beathard connection, might be a good option. They will draft a QB, but CJB is way better than the Butt Fumbler.
What. Seb that doesn’t make sense. You say ‘KS wants to___’ like it’s a fact. Why would he take a 5th rounder when he just spent a 3rd rounder on him last year. No way does he give up on him while taking less than his investment, at this point.
Well, many have derided my notion that they could get a 4th or 5th round pick for him, right now. They think he is worth only a 6th or 7th round pick. 3rd round pick for CJB? Not gunna happen.
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Considering he is 1-9, his trade value is not sky high.
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Considering the Niners have only 5 picks, they would jump at the chance to trade away players who are not in their long term plans, and get as many draft picks as possible.
“Well, many have derided my notion that they could get a 4th or 5th round pick for him, right now. They think he is worth only a 6th or 7th round pick.“
Who is many and who are they?
Again, presenting an argument without any facts to support it. Just all hot air from a guy trying to elevate his status.
sebnynah says:
November 28, 2018 at 7:43 pm
Grant, by calling me a legend, elevates my status,
Here we go again.
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So, do you think the Niners can get a 4th round pick for CJB?
No one knows, but you are talking like you are some expert with inside sources around the league….instead of the basement dweller we all know you to be.
I am looking out my window, watching 4 does munch my astroelmerias.
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I only claim to be a die hard faithful Niner fan, opining on a blog site.
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You take my posts like they are backed up by anonymous sources, but I have never claimed that, and I fully attribute statements when posting.
Dude – I blew my cover and double posted
Seems like the controversy surrounds the words Grant puts in Shanahan’s mouth:
“…Shanahan says they are ‘dead even'”–KS
“And yet, Shanahan won’t give Mullens the edge over Beathard.” –Grant Cohn
Why should he take that position right now? What purpose would that serve? Furthermore, the ‘dead even’ quote is given with no context.
“…that’s where C.J. was ahead of (Mullens) and beat him out. Nick got his opportunity because of injury. He’s been very consistent in games. He’s played very well, and that’s why he hasn’t lost (the starting job).”–KS
“In other words, even though Mullens has outplayed Beathard, Shanahan believes Beathard may have more physical ability and long-term potential.”–GC
In the words of Grant. Sounds like spin to me.
“(Mullens) has enough (talent) to be successful, and he’s detailed and deliberate in everything he does.”–KS
“But [Mullens] doesn’t have overwhelming talent. He has just enough, according to Shanahan.”–GC
This does seem to be another disingenuous article, purportedly in praise of a player, that is really just a set up to further an agenda against Shanahan.
I don’t believe Shanahan is above reproach. I believe criticism is an important part of the whole process, but when I am reading what promises to be an interesting article about Mullens, it’s irritating when the focus twists to further this nearly non-stop criticism of Shanahan. And, as I stated in an earlier post, it becomes predictable, valueless, and tiring (boring). At least to me.
You’re spot on dis!
He sure is better than the butt fumbler/butt recoverer, thats for sure. The Redskins decision making has been terrible, to say the least. 49ers may have a worse record, but Im grateful were not dealing with that type of dysfunction.
Idk it’s fair to watch Mullins and wonder, how high is his ceiling? Not every team is gonna leave George Kittle wide open. If I’m playing the Niners, you want to take away the middle of the field, make him throw outside the numbers. My point is the more he plays, teams are going to know his tendecies and his weaknesses.
I think still CJB has a chance in this league, he is tough. Hopefully he learns from Mullins, and works his tail off studying the plays and the progressions. There is no doubt that Mullins extra work is why hes enjoying some success.
Its interesting to wonder what kind of draft pick is Mullins worth? Personally I would keep all 3 QBs over the next season, unless Mullins plays lights out the rest of the way and could get a 2nd or 3rd round pick. Then again I’d probably still keep him, as of now. I feel like I’m waiting for the other shoe to drop with him tho. I’m just not sure how sustainable his success is going to be. Man, I’m rooting for him tho
Like saying R Foster was a legit 1st round pick. He wasn’t because he couldn’t pass protect. Beside his personal problems. Pretty clear Mullen is better. Coaches and front office stinks.
Of course Reuben Foster can’t pass protect. He’s a freakin’ linebacker!
https://www.sacbee.com/sports/nfl/san-francisco-49ers/article223017555.html
“Mullens has made “aggressive” throws on just 8 percent of his pass attempts, according to the NFL’s Next Gen statistics, measuring throws where defenders are within a yard of the intended target. That ranks dead last among 35 quarterbacks with at least 113 pass attempts this season.”
“In other words, Mullens is throwing to open receivers more than any other quarterback.”
“All four of Pettis’ touchdowns over the last three games qualify as non-aggressive throws, including scores against the Tampa Bay Buccaneers and Denver Broncos, which are nods to Pettis’ ability to separate from coverage and Shanahan’s knack for getting him open.”
Some on here have said Mullens is kind of like Jeff Garcia, but the information you provided supports my belief that he is a less mobile version of Alex Smith.
Mullens is way more accurate than AS, and throws the ball past the sticks.
Seb
As bad as our Oline is now… they are head and shoulders above the Oline that Alex Smith had to rely on for protection….until he has put in 13 years in the league, your comparison is invalid….Mullens throws past the sticks because he has better protection, providing his receivers more time to get open…
AS had Staley, Iupati, Goodwin, Davis and Boone. They went to the NFCC Game with them.
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Even with them, AS did not throw past the sticks, which made me grind my teeth.
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Recently, the O line did not hold up well against TB and the Seahawks. yet, Mullens was able to pass for over 400 yards against the Seahawks and converted several third downs by throwing past the sticks.
His interviews and approach to the game remind me very much of Alex Smith.
Mid,
It’s all in the eyes of the beholder: Mullen reminds Grant and some of his acolytes here of the next coming of Jeff Garcia while Mullen reminds me a little more of Shaun Hill…..
A lot of QBs with poise, quicker-than-average release, and short-to-mid-range can succeed as a backup after picking up Kyle’s offense. The problem starts when the DCs starting focusing on their weaknesses, e.g., deeper throws outside the numbers, accuracy under pressure, small-area movement in a collapsing pocket, etc. This is why Kyle has mentioned multiple times in detailed interviews that he insists on watching as much college game tape of QB prospects as possible so the can study as many of their traits as possible under game pressure, He’s griped that it’s difficult to assess QBs lke Mullens who rack huge numbers in spread offenses where some one or more receivers are routinely open…
Of course, nobody can quite anticipate how well a QB will develop after 2-3 seasons in the same system (something Alex Smith never could enjoy). I hope Mullins becomes a capable backup and that one of the two can be traded eventually for a mid-round pick….
Hill is another good comp. Undrafted guy who played well when finally given the chance.
To be honest Mullins is more of a mindset and reader this young quarter back goes to practice on the field alone and do his work out. And do his on book I know what Shannan is trying to do he’s a smart offensive coach he’s a winner when comes 2 offense
It’s mid December, 2018. Oh the drama, the humanity…. Kyle, the charlatan HC, is at the apogee of his disingenuous existence. Really.
How about better addressing this white-hot, cataclysmic issue during the 2019 training camp?
As the Niners World Turns:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=g8DMsvviyeU
I don’t really see what the big deal is. It’s all setting up next year to be a highly competitive training camp, starting with the qb’s, rb’s, and safety positions. All these guys should come into camp physically and mentally more prepared than ever, and it bodes well for the team as a whole….
I hope that Kyle has learned from his mistake of handing out start job security to rookies like Spoon and Colbert. They need intense competition at most (say, 70% or more ) of starting positions, IMO.
Alarming….
The niners are playing for next season at which point they will have 3 qbs but will only carry 2.
This means they will trade C.J. or Nick for the best deal they can get.
If they decide to go with Nick, they will trade C.J.,
And yes they can and would likely trade him for a lesser pick than they used on him if they had to. Not doing so would mean they would need to keep 3 qb’s on the active roster or try to put him on the practice squad and risk losing him for nothing.
Not so certain about that Shoup. Team’s like the Ravens have 3 QBs on their 53-roster – Flacco, RGIII and Jackson.
Shanalynch can take that route as well.
Shanny will only carry 2 true qb’s because he has Juice (Used as Ravens 3rd option his first 4 years) as his 3rd, and Jet as his 4th emergency options….
And I wouldn’t be stunned if the 9ers draft a QB (late round) and/or sign an undrafted free agent.
Too many moving parts from the end of this season through next preseason to say with certainty how the 9er QB situation will settle out by opening day 2019.
Yep, I fully expect a new qb for the practice squad and I’d be surprised if it wasn’t an UDFA.
Yup with only 5 picks, there are bigger needs than a backup QB.
Ya never know Sebbie. Lynch may put his ‘Trader Bill’ hat on (at your behest) and trade down, gathering a few more picks. Then in the late rounds, if the 9ers sense that a QB they like as an undrafted FA might be gone by the time the draft concludes, they get him in the 7th. Ya never know Sebbie….
The DDT approach (Draft, Develop & Trade)?
Or the DVBT way… Draft, Vilify, Blame, and Toss (under the bus)…
Seb
As bad as our Oline is now… they are head and shoulders above the Oline that Alex Smith had to rely on for protection….until he has put in 13 years in the league, your comparison is invalid….Mullens throws past the sticks because he has better protection, providing his receivers more time to get open…
Why not trade JG? Let’s be honest the team has so many olds that an unproven QB is not going to win games alone.
The ROI on the right picks could net more wins than an unproven QB.
If both back ups show a capacity to manage games, then team wins give a greater return.
Just look at Brett Farve after Green Bay. A great QB still needs weapons. A good QB can win super bowls if the supporting cast is championship caliber. I.e Russle Wilson.
There’s a sunk cost of around $39 million (IIRC) that they’ll never get back. It would be pretty hard to face upper management and explain why they gave Jimmy all that money so quickly, if they then dump him after one year and an injury.
Besides I still think Jimmy is the best QB on this team; but I would like to keep Mullens as the backup. Forget the draft pick they could get for Mullens, unless it is something outrageous like a 1st and more. Is getting another draft pick more important than having a capable backup QB who knows the system really well? If Jimmy G goes down again, do we want to just throw up our hands and kiss another season goodbye because there is little to no faith that the backup could at least keep the ship above water?
I’m always amazed that people put a priority on capable backups and depths at every position except QB. Sure it’s probably more expensive and there is the potential lure of compensation from another team, but giving that backup away could lead to a lost season if the starter goes down. Now clever development of multiple backups and a little luck might result in an ideal situation where you have two very capable backups, but that’s a pretty hard feat to accomplish, imo.
Nicely written….you have common sense
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CJ Beathard is a more talented QB than Nick Mullens. IMO thats not really debatable. Thats not to say Beathard is everyone’s all american or the next Tom Brady – he’s not. He will be a career NFL backup. Mullens is clearly a play maker who has a good feel for the game. CJ Beathard has more talent than Nick Mullens and that’s probably been true since they were 12 years old. There’s a reason Beathard ended up at a Power 5 D1 school and Nick Mullens ended up at Southern Miss. There’s a reason Beathard was drafted and Mullens was not drafted. Beathard has more talent than Nick Mullens. Both will be career backups. The great position the 49ers find themselves in is they are developing 2 backups and they both have trade value now. If I were the 9ers I would maximize Mullens value the rest of this season and then get draft picks for him in the offseason.
« The great position the 49ers find themselves in is they are developing 2 backups and they both have trade value now. »
Nobody is going to be trading anything more than a 7th round pick for Beathard. He’s terrible.
« If I were the 9ers I would maximize Mullens value the rest of this season and then get draft picks for him in the offseason. »
That would be a mistake.
CJ Beathard has a higher QBR than Lamar Jackson, Sam Darnold, Josh Allen, Josh McCown, Tyrod Taylor and many other QB’s. I don’t know what the 49ers could get for him but even if it’s a 7th rounder it’s better than cutting him next year and getting nothing.
You’re wrong. Nick Mullens will have more trade value this offseason than he will have at any other time in his career. Mullens will never be an NFL starting caliber QB so trade him when his value is highest.
« I don’t know what the 49ers could get for him but even if it’s a 7th rounder it’s better than cutting him next year and getting nothing. »
I agree that a 7th is better than nothing.
« You’re wrong. Nick Mullens will have more trade value this offseason than he will have at any other time in his career. Mullens will never be an NFL starting caliber QB so trade him when his value is highest. »
I’m not wrong. Mullens gives the 49ers a better chance to win games. With Garoppolo’s injury history it would be a mistake to move him.
You are wrong. Obviously, the 49ers need an insurance policy for an injured starting QB like every football team needs an insurance policy. Nick Mullens will have trade value if he keeps putting up decent numbers. Plus he will have the “Potential Premium” that will cause teams to overpay for a young QB that has done well with the hopes he can develop into a starter. Like I said, Nick Mullens value to NFL teams will never be higher than it is this offseason. He’s a career backup but teams will hope and pay. He’s not a key cog to a successful season. Trade him while teams are willing to overpay. Either keep Beathard as the backup or trade both and sign a veteran backup like Tyrod Taylor, Ryan Fitzpatrick, or RG3.
« Obviously, the 49ers need an insurance policy for an injured starting QB like every football team needs an insurance policy. »
And they’ve felt Beathard is one, but he is not good. Yeah his passer rating might be ok, it’s fair below average, but he also fumbles the ball at a ridiculous rate. Mullens is a lot cheaper than any of those you mention and is someone they should hold onto.
Is Mullens better than Fales? A quarterback you and Grant loved.
Beathard is better than Mullens.
Tastes great! Less filling!
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=74a1d0J-4sE
Maybe I’m way too much of an optimist here, but if Mullens plays lights out for the last 3 games, on top of his numbers for the last five, his value is much more than a 3rd or 4th. And why would KS say anything to diminish that possibility?
Denver needs a QB. The FOs have worked well together in the past from what I understand. If Mullens keeps this up, teams like Denver will be anxious to make a good offer. (And, they have the pass rusher we covet, but I’m not going there…:) )
I also think if Mullens keeps playing next 3 games like he is or greater, 300-400 yards-2 td’s+ less t.o.’s then I think KS/Lynch have to think trading him to the highest bidder. Surely teams will be calling. Then keep CJ as #2 and draft late pick qb/FA qb. I’m not listening to they have to compete next year bs. Or if he’s just avg/good then Mullen’s may be #2 and trade CJ if they can for a 7th. KS knows he made a mistake for trading up for CJ and won’t get equal value, he won’t say it. I think they trade back their 1st rd pick for extra picks.
Forget about what is being said and look at the actions. Mullens has kept the job since he took over. If there was really favoritism toward Beathard or Shanny needing to stroke his ego, he would have put Beathard back in there. He’s playing the best guy right now as he has at every position regardless of draft status. There is no upside to saying one is ahead of the other. He has to keep Beathard invested and the competition open. Mullens has clearly outplayed Beathard this year, but it’s a small sample size which is why you don’t overreact as a Coach and instead leave everything up to how they compete against each other moving forward. I also don’t agree with trying to trade Mullens. Why would they trade a guy who can keep them competitive if the starter is injured? Just hang onto both and let them battle it out in the offseason and TC and then trade the loser of the competition if there is interest. They could even keep all 3. Nothing wrong with that either.
I agree. There is no hurry. Beathard did appear to lose some confidence in himself around the time he got injured and sitting on the bench should help.
Interestingly, some of the folks who were (correctly) pointing to the sample size issue with Jimmy G in tamping down fans’ irrational exuberance last December are taking the opposite position on Mullens.
It’ll be QB Armageddon if the 49ers can win these next few games.
That would be a great problem to have.
The Bosa Elegant Tank would explode…
That’s the best case for winning out. Save the team from the mistake it’ll make by drafting Bosa #1.
You think Allen or someone else is a better bet for edge rusher?
I do. Although I don’t feel like an edge rusher is a must for their first pick.
If they are compelled to take an defensive end then I would take Allen. Otherwise they should draft either Devin White or Quinnen Williams and then promptly trade Solomon. This is under the the assumption they are picking within the first three picks. If they trade down my first choice is DeAndre Baker.
IMO Bosa is more talented than Allen. Both are great players but strictly from a talent perspective I see Bosa as a top 5 pick and Allen as a 6-15 pick. Don’t really know much about Allen on the intangible side but I do not like what I’ve seen from Bosa. I hope the 49ers don’t end up with Bosa. I’m a huge fan of Devin White though. That’s a BAD man with the leadership of a Ronnie Lott. He immediately improves the culture and attitude of the 49er defense. I would be ecstatic if the 49ers drafted White.
“I would be ecstatic if the 49ers drafted White.”
Me too.
It’s not even close between Bosa and Allen.
White is a hell of a player, but that would be a hard one to swallow even with a trade down. Imo the first pick has to be a pass rusher, both because of need and the fact there are multiple options at every level of the first round.
For me it’s Bosa or a trade down for a big haul, if someone likes one of the qb’s.
The only other players worthy of the number 1 pick are DT’s and we don’t need one. Those guys are head and shoulders above the others in the draft.
IMO Q Williams is the best player in the draft, so if they took him I could understand it from BPA perspective. But I would feel a bit sick given its the one position on D they don’t really need.
Bosa and Oliver are the next best players. After those two there is a group of players around the same level, of which Allen is one.
If they miss out on Bosa, and don’t decide to take Williams, a trade down is definitely optimal.
Scooter,
I could see that. I like Bosa better on pure tallent but but Williams is awfully good and has no other question marks. That said if we went DT again I would demand we fire Matt Millen, because I would swear he stole Lynch’s job.
That’s good for us if Williams is the best, because it means we can get Bosa if we’re not picking #1.
But which team is likely to take Williams #1, razor? That’s the question. The teams likely to be picking #1 (49ers, Cards or Raiders) would all probably take Bosa over Williams, based on positional need and value, wouldn’t they?
Razoreater says:
December 13, 2018 at 11:48 am
It’s not even close between Bosa and Allen.
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I agree. Allen is the much stronger prospect.
Scooter:
Every draft for the last several years don’t you and I have a debate about drafting BPA versus drafting for need. You’ve tended to take the position of BPA regardless of need and I’ve been on the side of taking the BPA at a position of need. Are you slowly coming around to the right way of thinking :)
Coffee’s for Closers says:
December 13, 2018 at 1:34 pm
Razoreater says:
December 13, 2018 at 11:48 am
It’s not even close between Bosa and Allen.
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I agree. Allen is the much stronger prospect.
Timing and placement of hand to hand combat
Bosa>Allen
Processing
Bosa>Allen
Play Strength
Bosa>Allen
It’ll take Allen 3 years in the NFL before he’s at Bosa’s level.
Scooter_McG says:
December 13, 2018 at 1:24 pm
But which team is likely to take Williams #1, razor? That’s the question. The teams likely to be picking #1 (49ers, Cards or Raiders) would all probably take Bosa over Williams, based on positional need and value, wouldn’t they?
No team is going to take Williams #1 because whichever team is drafting there is going to take Bosa.
Cubus, I am usually of the belief the team should draft BPA at a position of need. That’s why last year I really wanted Landry. Are you confusing me with someone else?
Razor, exactly. Williams is the best player in the draft (IMO), but I doubt he gets taken ahead of Bosa. Positional need and value are also important factors.
rocket says:
December 13, 2018 at 9:25 am
Forget about what is being said…
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That right there is all the advice that’s needed. I’d be completely fine if they just stopped interviewing coaches all together, you can’t take a single thing they say to heart.
“I understand my limitations,” Nick Mullens said. “I understand what strengths I have, and the strengths that I don’t have. I understand how the process worked. I never expected to be drafted, to be honest. And if I did, it would have been really cool. I’m just glad I got my opportunity.”
A man must know his limitations!
I really like this kid. Hope he can pull it off against the Seahawks…
Guess we can’t blame the 9ers strength/conditioning/trainer staff with this development…
http://www.nfl.com/news/story/0ap3000000999263/article/tests-reveal-qb-carson-wentz-has-fracture-in-back
Sets the scene for B. D. Nick to step in and repeat as SuperBowl champions…..
Seems like they are playing with fire considering allowing him to continue playing. At 6-7 they need to just shut him down and protect their long term investment. Seems foolish to expose a fracture to anymore impacts before being fully healed.
The question now begins to creep up regarding his ability to remain healthy. Hope he’s not another Bradford.
Did any beat writers ask Saleh this week why he went away from playing almost solely man coverage in the first half (and shut down the Broncos) to playing man coverage only about a quarter of the plays in the second half when Keenum successfully found holes in the zone without a decent pass rush?
You see this “talent evaluation” in all sports which is quite puzzling because the numbers speak for themselves. Clearly, Mullens is a good bit better than Bethard but there is no way the coaches will admit to making a mistake on a third round draft pick.
I have seen this in basketball because my son is not the tallest. He played on travel teams for years and was consistently the leader in scoring, assists and steals but would lose playing time to taller kids who couldn’t shoot worth a damn and passed the ball to the other team all the time. Sometimes it was because the father knew the coach and sometimes it was because the other point guard was known better by the coach who would be coaching him later in high school. The numbers always spoke for themselves but my son was always downgraded with playing time.
https://www.49erswebzone.com/commentary/1981-film-room-49ers-young-secondary-players-promise-broncos/
“According to Pro Football Focus, since week 10, quarterbacks have had a passer rating of 48.6 against him. In weeks 1-9, opposing quarterbacks had a 123.2 passer rating. The Broncos targeted Witherspoon six times where he allowed two receptions for 18 yards.”
“His ability to feel his coverage and stay in phase with the receiver while looking back for the ball has improved in recent weeks and this was no exception.”
“He stays in phase and fluid throughout the coverage with little wasted movement that allows him to flip his hips around and stick his arm in at the catch point. Patrick is unable to keep to his feet in bounds the pass falls incomplete.”
“Here, he engages with Baldwin within five yards, gets his head around while hand fighting with the receiver, and sees that quarterback Russell Wilson is looking his way to throw.”
Witherspoon has definitely improved in recent weeks. And gotten some BS PI calls against him too. Even Donte Whitner has tweeted out praise for his recent games. I wonder if Grant will put together a piece outlining his improved play, quoting Whitner?
Most unlikely. Grant has gone radio silent.
Caution…following is an over-the-top remark…
Grant is a slash and burn artist, he’s no Johnny Appleseed.
The young secondary showed promise at the end of last year as well. It certainly would help if they showed promise starting week 1.
Steelematic – Experience is something of which you never have enough until just after you needed it. Youth and experience are not often used in the same sentence.
True. But maybe it’s not just experience, maybe some of them are actually not starter worthy
Witherspoon might be the kind of guy who has to be called out and even embarrassed in order to get him to change and play his best. IIRC during his rookie camp, he was run down by Carlos Hyde confirming all of our fears that he was weak and afraid to make hits. After that embarrassment he did a much better job of tackling and showed more willingness to tackle. Maybe we’re seeing a repeat now based on the negative comments that Whitner made about his secondary skills.
He could’ve been feeling some complacency after purchasing his pop a new car.
Cubus,
I have bad news for you. The writing on the wall seems to be that none of the Niners coaches will be the fall guy and will be fired after the season.
Another mock draft…
https://thebiglead.com/2018/12/13/2019-nfl-mock-draft-justin-herbert-drew-lock-giants-packers-find-qb-successors/
New Year’s Predictions:
Seb will put his new Christmas present (binkie) to work early, snivelling over Kap’s non-hire for the New Year.
Definition of Sniveller: Noun 1. sniveller – a person given to excessive complaints and crying and whining.
grumbler, moaner, squawker, whiner, bellyacher, complainer, crybaby
disagreeable person, unpleasant person – a person who is not pleasant or agreeable
kvetch – (Yiddish) a constant complainer….Via freedictionary.com
Will Seb’s bellyaching over kap ever stop ?
TrollD, glad I am dominating your thoughts.
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Since you brought up Kaep, did you know that Prime admitted that Kaep took the league by storm?
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I am glad that QBs like Peterman, Driskel, McCoy, Johnson and Sanchez are playing, because they make Kaep look like a SB QB that has set playoff rushing records.
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Posters like you amply demonstrate an utter lack of football acumen, by preferring the drek QBs, while Kaep cannot even get a tryout.
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The collusion and blackballing will fail once Kaep wins his lawsuit, and if it voids the CBA, Kaep will become even more of a hero, because the players will be able to stop the owners from having too much power.
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Many teams would rather lose without Kaep, than win with Kaep.
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If Brady goes down due to injury to his 41 year old body, I wonder if BB would sign Kaep, because he wants to win another SB.
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Thanks for bringing up Kaep, I could talk all day about him.
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Please quit sniveling.
Bosa vs. Mahomes should be epic.
https://www.49erswebzone.com/articles/121931-transcript-discusses-ahkello-witherspoon-marcell-kentavius-stopping-seahawks/
On Spoon.
“If he ever thinks he’s got it, he’ll lose it. Don’t take it for granted. Always hone in on your craft. Always study yourself more than you do your opponent and understand what you’re putting on tape. Really evolve your game to the third step in our teaching progression, understand what offenses are trying to do to you, not necessarily what they’re running. What you’re putting on tape, that could expose what you’re doing. He’s got to continue to grow. That’s what makes the great ones great.”
Pretty much confirms that Spoon got too cocky. Our staff shouldn’t have crowned him after last season.
https://www.nbcsports.com/bayarea/49ers/joe-montana-evaluates-49ers-quarterback-nick-mullens-decision-making
Word on the Street is Buckner has given him the nickname, Baby Hulk. Here’s to him breaking the Baalke ACL curse.
The perplexing story here is why would the Niners continue to be complacent and be happy to lose with CJB or Mullens when they could easily win with Kaep?
Sun Tzu says… “A tank in a pit is worth ten points to the opposition.”
And he says: “The general that sends his troops into the dragons teeth will be shamed upon the resolution of the battle!”
Quit trolling.
Watching Mahomes tonight sure puts things in perspective. KC is electric with him, while were debating who’s better between CJ Beathard and Nick Mullens!! Coach/GM Cohn is making a living writing ridiculous articles about whether Kyle likes CJ more than Mullens, or whether Mullens is better than Jimmy G! All three couldn’t hold Patrick’s jock. And the Niners could have had him. SAD! Rivers ain’t so shabby either! ;-)
A lot of teams could have had him, not just the niners.
Impressive……..in Mullens I believe
I believe in Mullen’s too…… making sure he helps us secure the #1 overall pick in the draft. He ain’t sniffing the field next year or we are Fuked! A nice back up QB but he is far from a starter especially here going forward.
What a game! Super Chargers stun the Chiefs without Gordon and Keenan Allen!
Nice game…..Chargers really have fought through some tough seasons…..nice to see the success….
Why do I get the feeling this(chargers) is another obstacle preventing Andy Reid from wining a SB……every year it’s always something