SANTA CLARA — The 49ers had a difficult decision to make with the second pick in the NFL draft: Take Nick Bosa, take Quinnen Williams or trade down.
The 49ers chose Option A. They drafted Bosa, the defensive end from Ohio State.
“Two players really separated themselves from the pack,” general manager John Lynch said Thursday in the 49ers’ auditorium. “They were Bosa and Williams. Ultimately we had those guys ranked extremely evenly. Then, you look at where your team has the biggest need, and while we would have been very happy with Quinnen, we felt Nick was a piece we still could use, another edge guy. We had Dee (Ford) on one end, and now we have that other end, and we can come at people in waves.”
Lynch added: “We had (trade) conversations going into the draft. There were a lot of teams that said, ‘Depending on how (the draft) breaks, we’d like to give you a call (about the No.2 pick).’ I think there was one call that happened, but it wasn’t of interest. Nothing really materialized.”
So, the 49ers kept their pick, and took the best edge rusher in the draft, according to most experts.
Bosa, 21, recorded 17.5 sacks in 29 collegiate games. Last year, just three games into his junior season, he suffered an abdominal injury and, rather than rehabilitate in order to rejoin his team for the end of the season, he left the team, withdrew from Ohio State and started preparing for the draft.
“I guess we’re the beneficiary of him taking the year (off),” Lynch said. “He is healthy and ready to go. We’ll have a minicamp this coming weekend and he’ll be ready to roll.”
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The 49ers coveted Bosa from the beginning. There was no “desire” to trade down with him on the board. It was the easiest choice John Lynch will ever have made….
I bet the plan was if Bosa gone, trade down for team that wants Murray. If Murray gone pick Bosa. That’s pretty much it. I like the pick, would have preferred the former over the latter but I’ll take it. Our front 7 is the best it’s been in a long time. Hopefully we can address the secondary tomorrow. Tomorrow will be interesting, have a feeling Armstead will be dealt.
BTW Avengers was Amazing!
That’s what it sounded like to me.
I would guess the trade offers they had were related to teams wanting to go up for Kyler, and it would seem teams were all over the board in terms of their other qb grades.
It would seem teams are just reluctant to pay what it takes to move up to 2 for positions other than qb.
Still think the trade back option was the best strategy, but this was a weak QB class.
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Guess the Niners are putting all their eggs in one basket, just hope it pans out.
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This was a safe pick for them, so at least they did not make a big error. The chatter on some other sites is pretty salty. NY fans gave Gettleman an F.
Trade back, trade back…. Polly wants a cracker!
Seb, I would have like a trade back but getting appropriate value is important especially when there is a clear tier drop
Would you trade back from pick 2 to pick 6 for say a 3rd or 4th rounder?
I wouldn’t, even if we got both a 3rd and 4th rounder. Those are both so far below chart its not even funny, and there was a clear tier dropoff according to most analysts.
SF, needed at least a high to mid second rounder along with a top 10 pick to make a trade down realistic and I’m not certain those offers were available.
It would have taken three 1st round picks to force Lynch to give up Bosa. 2 this year and another next year.
Warriors lose to Clippers
Nines pick Bosa
Is it going to get any worse?
Time will tell whether this was a good move or not. Can Bosa remain healthy for a full season? Will he quit on his team if hit with injury? I’m not sold. Lynch better redeem himself with a solid day 2.
Lynch just took the best pass rusher in the draft by nearly every draft analyst and pundit, aside from ours truly of course, and you think he has to redeem himself. You think very highly of your opinion.
Yes, let’s draft the best pass rusher based on limited sample size whose often injured and has questionable commitment/dedication. Lynch passed on Williams and Allen. Come year 3, they’ll both likely be better than Bosa. It seems like Lynch drafted for need, not talent.
Like Bruce Arians said “you draft for need, you get fired”.
So yes, Lynch better redeem himself.
Ok bro.
im with leo on this one nick! if we picked QW or JA….I wouldn’t have freaked out!! but we already have a pass rushing line backer and a pass rushing DT! it only makes sense that we get the guy were missing…..the best pass rushing true defensive end! the front 7 is now not only a strength, but its complete!
LMAO “Often injured”? Dude had one injury in college and one in high school. Played 26 games in college, so BS to your whole “small sample size” comment. Jump on the hater bandwagon for no reason, loser.
Williams may end up better than Bosa, but Allen? Dude is a pure speedrush ONLY guy. He has no moves, only beats em with speed. Can find tons of guys that do that.
Easiest draft pick ever.
NickSucks calls Nick a hater. Priceless.
Nick:
Lynch said that QW and NB were essentially graded the same – the best two defensive players in the draft. After that grading, they looked at need and decided they needed a pass rusher more than another lineman. Well reasoned in my opinion, because I don’t believe that virtually any team just picks the BPA without at least some (even if it is a small amount) consideration towards need.
Cubus,
Bingo!
I find it hard to believe that some people do not recognize that the Edge position has been a sore spot since Aldon’ departure.
We drafted the BPA for the top spot available.
That adds up to a win, win in my book.
Nick,
“Lynch passed on Williams and Allen. Come year 3, they’ll both likely be better than Bosa. It seems like Lynch drafted for need, not talent.”
If we’re going to wait 3 years for a player to hit their stride, maybe we shouldn’t be so critical of Solomon Thomas, right?
I think I’m better having a player that can produce right away as opposed to one that takes 3years. I guess what I’m saying is, give me a player who can give me 10-12 sacks per year, starting now.
He can’t quit on his team when he’s got a 5 year deal.
Sure he can. See Antonio Brown and Le’veon Bell.
You just proved my point.
Antonio was traded, but put up numbers last year…1200 yards, 15 Tds.
Bell’s contract expired, they franchised him. He chose not to sign.
Not like either of these guys sat out on signed deals.
I think the trade down option was indeed if Murry was still on the board. With both quality and quantity at the edge still remaining, I doubt there would have been an offer that would have tempted the Niners to trade down.
no one seems to remember……that Bosa was the top ranked college player for 12 out of the last 14 months!!!! the hands down top prospect! and only a perfect storm of breaks resulted in him falling to #2!!
Bosa projected top pick in 2019 as soon as 2018 draft ended in April……..
Dec. 2018- Bosa being mocked to Cards #1……..Cleinin Ferrell being mocked to 49ers at #2
Jan.2019 cards get a new HC and DC. switching from Bosa’s best fir, 4-3 to a 3-4. first whispers of not taking Bosa
JA name comes up as a better fit
KM names comes up as a possibility
.KM wont commit to baseball
Cards new HC gushes about KM, past and present
KM nails combine, measures bigger than expected
cards keep gushing about KM and openly shop Rosen
we end up with the consensus top pick, when there rarely is such a thing, due to the Cards incompetence ( or genius) ……and grant gives it a B- and liberals complain………( sad confused faced palms up shoulders shrugging emoji)
what do liberals have to do with it?
Bosa was the dream pick around here for months and months!!! then, his twitter feed got brought up……and many ppl soured on him quick! due to his political views! pay attention!
open question- DKM???? take in round 2? pass? what other wr? what other position? safety? witch one?never
I was hoping for K’neal…….
I also never expected for DKM to be around at this point…..
Greedy Williams? another guy I thought would be long gone!
Pass on DKM, and he does not expect the Niners to draft him.
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No wonder he fell out of the first round.
On to day two… More often than not several teams seek to move up in the second round to select round 1 talent–not really news is it? Will be interesting to see if the 9ers trade back a few positions and still find a high performer at WR or CB/S. An additional pick (or two) through trade back would be welcome.
Hoping Bosa avoids injury, and yes, that goes for all players.
Cherry picking the 2017, 18, and 19 drafts…
From these three draft classes, it’ll be fun to see which players over the years are recognized by their 9er peers and the 9er organization for their accomplishments and contributions. There are several awards made annually–the Len Eshmont Award (voted on by players), the Unity Award (unsure how this one is selected), and many others. Check the 9er website for a more complete list–include the community service side of the 9er organization.
Len Eshmont — “The Len Eshmont Award is voted on by the players and is given to the 49er who best exemplifies the inspirational and courageous play of Len Eshmont, an original member of the 1946 49ers team.” More recent recipients include:
2004-7 Bryant Young
2008 Isaac Bruce
2009 Vernon Davis
2010 Takeo Spikes
2011-12 Justin Smith
2013 NaVorro Bowman
2014 Frank Gore
2015 Anquan Boldin
2016 Colin Kaepernick
2017 Marquise Goodwin
2018 DeForest Buckner
Other luminaries include: Montana, Young, Rice, and many more. You get the idea. Key is this award is voted on by the players.
Unity Award — “To celebrate the San Francisco 49ers’ history of exemplifying the power of teamwork to accomplish goals, the team will honor an exceptional non-profit agency, youth football coach and a current 49ers player who has demonstrated a commitment to promoting unity and giving back to the local community with the Perry/Yonamine Unity Awards.” Recent player recipients:
2015 Ian Williams
2016 Antoine Bethea
2017 Robbie Gould
2018 Raheem Mostert
And of course, the 9ers nominate a player for consideration in the Walter Payton Man of the Year Award.
So, which 9ers drafted in 2017-19 (if any) will some day be recognized (Len Eshmon, Unity, Walter Payton MOTY nominee)?
I rather had Josh Allen but I can live with it .
Now hopefully he doesn’t have injury concerns.
I’m fine with the pick. My confidence in Saleh getting the most out of this talented front, not so much. Produce or gtfo Saleh….
Nick Bosa, 2019 NFL Defensive Rookie of the Year.
13 Sacks
24 TFL
I’m thinking 6 sacks, 14 TFLs, misses 4 games due to injury. Will be in the running for DROY, but comes up short. On the balance, decent production.
Joey Bosa had 10.5 sacks and 17 TFLs his rookie year. Nick is better.
Potential certainly is there. Just thinking he’ll be dinged up some. Hope he signs quickly.
Yeah, considering the issues with Joey Bosa’s contract I’ve got to think the Bosa Family is going to fire Tom and pull in a war time consigliere to deal with Paraag.
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I always hear that the rookie contracts are pretty much boilerplate and only a few points can be negotiated. It seems like the biggest one is “offset clause”. I can’t remember how the the 49ers typically handle the offset clause issues.
Bosa does have it in his blood…..he deserves a fresh start…….and we need someone to chase down Murray and Wilson…..
CFC… We had a discussion a couple of months back about Greedy and Buddha…. I didn’t expect either of them to last that long, yet alone to the 2nd round. I commend you on the Baker going before Greedy. I still think Greedy is better. Lol. Congrats sir
Grant… I think your assessment of teams building from back to front is taking a hit. I never believed it because for so long teams have always wanted the top d lineman. But building from front to back still seems more likely even in today’s passing society.
that’s a PFF thought process. some of their guys advocated trading down and picking up a CB. although 2 of those guys are still available.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bSITwXJO9E4
Bosa is a bad ass. When you look at him, you can see a little crazy in his eyes. Joey is different. Joey did E and was a bit of a raver in college. Nick is an animal. Every player the Niners get in this draft should have some nasty in him. If it’s a receiver, someone that fights for balls and will knock a head off in a block. If it’s an o-lineman, a mauler with decent feet. If it’s a DB, someone that isn’t a afraid to tackle or get up in press coverage while talking trash. This team is sort of soft. Time to infuse some edge into the operation.
Yeah, get the punter involved too. Any punter acquired should have at least four or five personal fouls on his rap sheet–a targeting ejection would be great. Tats on face gets bonus points.
You’re easy, Hook, line and sinker.
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The fact that NO ONE wanted to trade up for Bosa should tell you something!
Thats some legit specious reasoning.
Just because a trade didn’t happen, doesn’t mean offers weren’t made.
Also…you could say that about any player taken in the top 10…as no trades were made.
Dee,
With the depth of this years draft at DL there was no reason to trade up for a DL or QB for that matter.
OldCoach, with the depth of the draft why did we pick the guy who sat out a season? Why did we pick the guy who’s brother has a dubious, similar history?
Football is a physical sport.
Injuries and recovery are a big gauge to evaluate players.
We’ll see if he’s going to sign quickly, that would be the first tell if we got leech or a league player.
OldCoach, with the depth of the draft why did we pick the guy who sat out a season? Why did we pick the guy who’s brother has a dubious, similar history?
I’m confused with your post Dee. What am I missing here?
Why didn’t it make more sense for Nick Bosa to get himself as healthy as he could possibly be as he enters the NFL for his rookie season, rather than risk complications with his recovery? Also, isn’t his brother Joey already a Pro Bowl DE while playing in a similar system, and didn’t his brother Joey also record his first 20 sacks faster than any player in the history of the NFL?
Maybe they picked a guy who sat out most of the 2018 season because they agreed with the vast majority of the professionals who get paid good money to scout these college players? Nick Bosa played every game in 2017 and, according to the “experts”, he finished the 2017 season as the top rated defensive player in the entire country, and picked up in 2018, right where he left off, prior to his injury.
It tells me that Lynch got his man.
End of story.
If the 9ers can scoop up G. Williams or Lonnie Johnson with their 2nd round pick my grade for rounds 1 and 2 will be an A+
If they draft a WR (Samuels) instead I would drop the overall grade to a B+.
I’m a big Greedy Williams fan. The kid can play. He’s a day 1 starter and he would be a 2nd round steal.
Greedy can’t tackle….
Neither could Deion and he’s in the HOF. Look what Greedy did to DK Metcalf and tell me he’s not a pro bowl caliber CB in the NFL.
Oneniner,
No but he is a blanket in coverage. I’ll take the trade off.
What a fantastic interview with the Bosa Constrictor by Maiocco.
Did he post it on his podcast?
https://www.nbcsports.com/bayarea/49ers/2019-nfl-draft-first-round-grades-how-49ers-fared-nick-bosa-pick
Just a puff piece. The talking I want to see is production on the field.
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Talk is cheap. I expect at least 8 sacks this season, to justify this pick. I am cautiously optimistic, and hope he helps the Niners win games, but if he sprains his toe….
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Glad he owned up to his immaturity, and hope he stays off those white nationalist sites, and concentrates on football.
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Glad you are giddy with delight, but I am at the trust, but verify stage.
My wife said a year or so in the Bay Area will do him good (after she said, 3 games last season? Really?) To which I added, yes, he could even come out as gay.
Lmao
The only Gay guy in the NFL will be the punter from Utah.
Fixed that for you.
No, he will be the only Gay guy, because his name is Gay. Homophobia is still too strong in the NFL, for a gay guy to play openly.
“Bosa was arguably the prospect in this draft with the highest talent floor. That’s nothing to scoff at — he’s league-ready — but at No. 2, you are typically looking for someone with superstar potential, an incredible ceiling.
Bosa doesn’t seem to carry that kind of cache. He lacks the eye-popping burst, strength, and size that so many top picks have.”
Reply: No, But Shanny/Lynch seem to revel in drafting low ceiling players with a top 5 pick—Note—The Solomon Thomas selection….Tom D is just the opposite, Quinnen Williams would have destroyed lines and had the highest ceiling in the draft.
The Niners better take a safety or corner at #2, your corners had zero interceptions last year!!!…Listen to TomD Niners.
https://www.eastbaytimes.com/2019/04/25/san-francisco-49ers-nfl-draft-pick-nick-bosa-day-two-john-lynch-kyle-shanahan-rumors-mock/
I hope they take a WR. Several good ones fell out of the first round, and are available.
Thinking we could go with Greedy and let Tarvarius compete with Ward/Cobert at FS. I’m guessing he’s added some much needed strength/weight in the offseason, he was a FS in college, and he has range.
Seriously can’t believe DK Metcalf didn’t get drafted in the 1st round after all the hype. I saw mocks where he was a top 10 pick. Guess NFL talent evaluators agreed with Grant about him.
I just listened to the presser JL and KS had after the Bosa pick. It was tough to hear exactly what was said at the very end and Kyle was joking around, but I was a bit concerned by what I thought I heard.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hta0jb0tWjE
The reporter asked about whether they would still be working last night and staying put at the facility. Kyle made a joke about the longer they stay down at the presser, that Paraag might have traded the whole team away. I know it was only a joke, but jokes like that are often instigated by something. It sounds like Paraag is active on suggesting trades (perhaps forcefully so) and it sounds like John and Kyle have to reign him in. Personally, I would prefer that Paraag stay in his swim lane and do what he does best – negotiate contracts and provide advice only on quid pro quo for trades.
Meh, I wouldn’t read too much into that comment. I’m sure Paraag is sort of the triage for trade phone calls when Lynch isn’t directly available and then ShanaLynch are the decision makers.
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I totally agree. Take away the phone from Paraag, and make him stick to contracts. My biggest worry is that Bosa will hold out, and Paraag will be too inflexible, so Bosa misses out on training camp, thus setting him back. Family history shows the Bosa’s playing hardball, and Paraag not giving an inch, either.
If they really thought it was an issue they wouldn’t have joked about it.
I think you’ll find it was more a jab at the trade speculation swirling before the draft.
PERFECT SPOT FOR A TRADE DOWN!!!! ANYBODY AWAKE AT NINER HEADQUARTERS???
Round 2
33. Arizona
34. Indianapolis (from N.Y. Jets)
35. Oakland
36. San Francisco
Greedy may be gone
Team Needs, Day 2:
33. Arizona—Biggest offseason needs
Offensive tackle , Wide receiver, Defensive end , Cornerback, Guard/Center, Defensive tackle,
34, Colts—Biggest offseason needs
Wide receiver , Cornerback, Safety, Interior defensive line, Pass rusher, Tight end, Linebacker,
35. Oak—Needs: QB, RB, OL, EDGE, INT DL, LB, DB
Pressing: RB, EDGE, INT DL, LB, DB
He could absolutely be gone. Oak won’t take a QB or RB there. They already took a safety, so CB is a possibility. Arizona is going to need more WRs for their air raid. I’m hoping we walk away with Hakeem Butler and Greedy tonight.
Cards may take Jaylon Ferguson.
Colts may take Dalton Risner.
Oakland may take Greedy Williams.
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Hope the Niners take C Gardner-Johnson, Hakeem Butler, or Juan Thornhill.
Oops, should have included AJ Brown as a Niner target.
I’m not sure the 49ers need another slot receiver, so thumbs down on selecting AJ Brown. I’m not a big fan of Butler either. I love Gardner-Johnson though, I hope the 49ers draft him at #36, or trade back and get him a little later in round 2.
Butler looks like a faster Funchess to me. I’d take that in the 3rd.
Check out Grant’s film analysis of AJ Brown. He shows examples of Brown running all the routes that Pierre Garcon did and running them well.
https://49ers.pressdemocrat.com/examining-ole-miss-wr-a-j-browns-fit-as-a-flanker-for-the-49ers/
Assessing the first round, there were some big head scratchers. Gettleman going for Jones, then Lawrence at a deep position, then panicking and giving up 3 picks to get a DB. Washington did well, patiently waiting for Haskins, then being aggressive and moving up for Sweat. Oakland reached a little with Ferrell, but GB reached for Savage, and the Seahawks reached big for Collier.
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Pats confirmed my assessment of N’keal Harry, but Lindstrom was a big surprise, going 14th, engendering my acknowledgement of Pot’s football acumen.
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Denver did well, moving back and getting Fant. In fact, several teams did manage to trade back, so they are all winners, so far.
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Right now, the Niners are in good position to get a WR, OL, S or CB.
I’m jumping for joy…
Be still my heart.
I covet (a favorite Sebbie term) my fish taco…
Some San Francisco 49ers fans not ecstatic team drafted Nick Bosa due to old pro-Trump, anti-Kaepernick tweets
By Kathleen Joyce | Fox News
Nick Bosa was chosen second overall by the San Francisco 49ers during Thursday night’s NFL draft, but some fans were not happy with the pick due to the player’s controversial social media history.
Bosa, 21, told ESPN earlier this month that he cleansed his Twitter account of political tweets he penned. The athlete regularly tweeted about his support for President Trump and his disdain for former 49ers quarterback-turned-activist Colin Kaepernick.
Fan #1–“Sorry 49ers I’ve been a fan for 30 plus years but have blacked out after the league including you colluded to keep [Colin] Kaepernick out of the league but now I’m done with you drafting [Nick Bosa] character and unity no longer matter to you,” a social media user
Fan #2—“Been a Niners fan since Jerry Rice and Joe Montana days. I was hyped about them drafting him. But it seems like Nick Bosa only deleted them because he knew the #49ers would pick him. I don’t think a lot of San Francisco 49ers fans or players will be okay with it,” a tweet read.
Some of Bosa’s future teammates welcomed him to the squad.
Defensive end Solomon Thomas tweeted, “Excited to have you join the D line!!”
“Welcome to the squad! Let’s get to work!” linebacker Kwon Alexander wrote.
Reply: Thx, Nick, I feel dumber for hearing this….Quinnen Williams has it all over you in the intelligence department…He was my choice for the 49ers first pick, and obviously would never tweet something that totally disrupts team unity like Nick did… As a 49er fan I’ll chalk it up to a learning experience.
https://www.foxnews.com/sports/san-francisco-49ers-nick-bosa-trump-kaepernick-tweets
Boo hoo.
Nick was asked about his social media on KNBR, and from the way he talked about it, it seems like Nick Bosa understands why some people had a problem with some of the things he posted, and by acknowledging some of it might have been out of line, it seems like he is already growing up:
I was a 16-year-old scrolling through my Instagram and I liked a picture of somebody I knew with a girl. There was nothing racist about the picture. Obviously, there were some bad things said in the hashtags, but obviously I didn’t read those, and as a 16-year-old in high school you kind of don’t think something like that will come back and bite you, so that’s that.
He went on to say: I was a little insensitive in some of the things I said, so I’ve learned a lot in the past few months, and I’m just ready to move forward from that, put it in the past, and bring the faithful some wins. Nick went a step further: I’m not really worried about Twitter anymore. I think the people who know me, know who I am, and I’m going to keep my opinions to myself from now on.
Smart!
When asked about the men in charge of the 49ers, specifically Kyle, John, and the rest of the 49ers organization, Nick continued to say all the right things: It just seems like a family. Every coach that I talked to when they were away from Coach Shanahan just talked up how player-friendly he is and how he’s just a regular guy, but when it’s time to go to work, he goes to work. Playing for somebody like that would be really cool. I’d be lucky to get picked by them, Bosa told Gary & Larry from Radio Row on Friday morning. I mean the roster for a team that’s picking No. 2 is a really stacked roster. They had the injury at quarterback that obviously allowed them to get this high in the draft. I think it would be cool definitely to go play for a team that is closer than most people think to being a contender. I couldn’t be put into a better situation, Bosa said. This is a team that shouldn’t be picking this high with all the talent they have. I can’t wait to go to work and win some games.
Dude, if a couple of political tweets disrupt team unity, you didn’t have a team to begin with.
A huddle has Christians, Muslims, Jews, Blacks, Hispanics, Whites, etc.. all working towards one goal, and believe it or not teammates don’t have to like each other outside of the huddle to work towards that goal together.
I will be shocked if we are talking about his tweets in week 2 of the season.
Dude, does it sound like I am holding it against him? I thought I was clear that I liked the way he answered for it. People make mistakes, the important thing is to learn from it.
I was a little insensitive in some of the things I said, so I’ve learned a lot in the past few months, and I’m just ready to move forward from that, put it in the past, I’m going to keep my opinions to myself from now on.
I’m glad that he seems to understand that he’s probably better off keeping these opinions to himself, specifically the things he has acknowledged were insensitive – his words, not mine. To me, that shows some maturity, so I think he’s going to fit in just fine. That’s all I am saying.
If Nick felt the same way you do dude, why would he make such an effort to clear things up? It doesn’t exactly take a genius to understand that politics can be a divisive subject in any environment. I’ve seen it tear close families apart, so yes, it could potentially be disruptive in a team sport. That doesn’t mean he has to agree with his teammates, he’s certainly entitled to his own opinions. But it would seem that Nick understands what I am saying, even if you don’t Shoup, that it is best to concentrate on football, rather than spending a bunch of time posting about politics on twitter, and I am happy about that because to me, that shows maturity.
His agent did that… not him per the press conference.
His advisers told him to say what he said in his presser, but words are cheap. If he really wants to clear things up with Kaep, he should invite Kaep out for a beer, and talk things over, like Obama did with the Cop who harassed a black professor locked out of his house.
That was in response to TomD.
And the tweets were likely deleted more likely due to the fans and as a way kill any future non stories.
Washington nailed their picks with Haskins and Sweat.
Yup.
What do you think Hammer, is Dave Gettleman the front runner for – 2019 NFL Executive Of The Year?
At the moment, it would seem like it could be a two man race between him, and the Raiders’ new GM – Mike Mayock, lol.
What’s your usual handle?
I’m new to this blog, and new to the Bay Area, but my father got me interested in the 49ers when I was a kid. I guess you don’t like my handle, maybe it’s too soon to be calling Bosa the real deal? I think he’s going to be great!
“I guess you don’t like my handle, maybe it’s too soon to be calling Bosa the real deal?”
LOL
Washington could draft Jesus Christ and still mess up the Resurrection.
Ok, now that was funny :D
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Funny…houston
Sweat seems like good value based on pre-draft hype, but I kept hearing yesterday that one of the reasons he fell was that he basically needs to be coddled. Can’t handle a bit of tough coaching. And there remain concerns that he hasn’t stopped taking the wacky tobacky.
I have a feeling he has a pretty reasonable chance at busting out.
I like him working with Tomsula
Won’t help if he can’t hack it. From everything I heard yesterday it sounded like teams had taken him off their board more due to concerns about his head than his heart.
He’s a coddler just like that one guy from North Carolina we drafted in round 1. Didn’t turn out too good.
Grant,
What do you think of Williams in the 2nd round?
And The Hits keep Coming:
Nick Bosa liked Instagram posts featuring racist and homophobic slurs
Reply: Quinnen Williams, anyone??? And what was Nicks wonderlink score again??
https://ftw.usatoday.com/2019/04/nick-bosa-instagram-racist-n-word-posts-twitter-social-media-nfl-draft
As Grant quoted Bosa in his article:
“I was a little insensitive in some of the things I said,” Bosa said. “I’ve learned a lot in the past few months, and I’m just ready to move forward from that, put it in the past.”
It looks like he had some maturity forced upon him. Hey let’s all put it in the past.
In the clip I saw, he actually said “I was insensitive” as opposed to “a little insensitive”. Might seem like a small difference, but to me it means that he accepts his culpability more and will work harder to be better than if he had just said “a little”.
Agreed
Since when in the heck do you need a high IQ to go get the QB….didn’t u see The Waterboy
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You don’t, stupid is as stupid does and stupid can disrupt team unity with racist comments learned from the Donald: “There’s good people on both sides.”
The leader of our country just indoctrinated young Nick, but don’t worry, we’ve fought wars over the racists—looks like we’ll have to do it again.;;;Doctor Harry Edwards, where are you….
P L E A S E ?
Grant had that incredible knack for not knowing what he is talking about.
The Niners interior offensive line is pretty sad. If they want their QBs to survive, they need to deal with that immediately. Better to lose 49-45 than to have yet another year with a second string QB and have a 5-11 record…
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I think Arizona takes Murphy.
Colts take A. J. Brown.
Raiders take Irv Smith.
49ers: If Samuel is their receiver, then I think they could trade down into the 40’s, pick up an extra 4th and still get him.
I definitely feel this a good spot to trade back now – still lots of talent available at positions they are likely looking at 36.
I had them trading back and taking Isabella in my mock. Still think its a good chance.
Video of Samuel
Hakeem Butler has been linked to the 49ers through a couple of Mocks I read: Hakeem Butler, Iowa State
Butler looks the part, for sure. When he made a recent visit to the 49ers’ team complex in Santa Clara, he stood out among the other receivers due to his 6-5, 227-pound frame. He has an inherent advantage in the red zone because of his size, but Shanahan wants receivers who can get open in the middle of the field. That is the only question about Butler.
He caught 60 passes for 1,318 yards and nine touchdowns. He ran a strong 4.48 in the 40. But does he have the change-of-direction skills to get open against NFL defensive backs?
https://www.nbcsports.com/bayarea/49ers/nfl-draft-2019-49ers-enter-second-round-receiver-atop-list-needs
https://710keel.com/why-wasnt-greedy-williams-taken-in-the-1st-round/
After reading this article on Greedy Williams I am doubling down on drafting him in the 2nd round.
Ditto, my thoughts exactly coach!!! I’m even wondering if this elite player would be worth a trade up of one of our few remaining picks, making our defense even more potent.
Tom, great minds…….I wonder what they would have to give up to move up 3 spots in the 2nd round?
AZ ‘s pick is worth 580 pts and SF’s is at 540, so only 40 pts separate them. A 5th rounder at the 49ers spot is worth 33.5 pts, but the 49ers don’t own a 5th rounder this draft. They would have to part with a 4th rounder at 86 pts (picking 2nd that round) which is more than double of what’s required.
*Coach,
Correction. A 5th rounder at the 49ers slot would be worth 35.5 pts
Or a 5th and a 7th next year
Excellent, from the 49ers point of view. The Cards hold the cards. They may insist on a 4th this year and if I’m the 49ers I think about it.
Coach, here’s NFL.com’s projection of the top of RD 2.
Greedy will still be on the board.
33. Cards—Jawaan Taylor – OT
34. Colts— Deebo Samuel – WR
35. Oak—Byron Murphy – CB
36. 49ers—D.K. Metcalf – WR
http://www.nfl.com/news/story/0ap3000001028261/article/2019-nfl-draft-day-2-mock-broncos-snag-qb-in-second-round
I’m hearing the Cards are taking a CB and I think it’s Murphy. I’m also hearing that the Colts pick is the golden ticket as far as trade interest goes.
That means Oaktown gets greedy and drafts greedy. Niners may have to part with a 4th rounder to move up if they get greedy too, otherwise it’s DK Metcalf.
AJ and Greedy will be gone at 36. If there’s a run on OTs maybe not.
While I would like to fill the holes they have in the secondary the best value might be on the offensive line.
I would love more picks in this round as there are multiple players I would have Taylor, Ford, Murphy, Williams, Chauncey-Gardner… honestly I think I would wait on the wr’s based on the available talent.
What is low on sacks for Bosa to not be looked at as a disappointment in year 1?
Jack,
For me it’s 8.
But if the rest of the Dline players have better sack numbers with Bosa in the lineup, I would have trouble calling it disappointing.
Jack,
What’s your number?
14
14 would have been 6th highest in the NFL last year. That’s more than Myles Garrett, Frank Clark, Dee Ford, TJ Watt, etc. Tough ask for a rookie
“Tough ask for a rookie”
It’s the same total that was put up by Aldon Smith in 2011, and he was taken 7th overall.
And the 49ers had one of the best defenses in the NFL that year so Aldon’s supporting cast was much better than what Bosa will walk into. Smith finished 1/2 sack shy of the all time NFL rookie record. I could see you saying that 14 would be an amazing season but you are saying 14 sacks is “the low end to not be looked at as a disappointment in year 1.” The guy gets 13 sacks and you’re going to say he had a disappointing rookie season? Seems like you’re setting the kid up for failure. I think the low end to not be looked at as a disappointment in year has to be around 8ish and if he gets to 14 then he’s an instant superstar.
The 2010 49ers had 1 less sack than the 2018 49ers. Expecting a guy taken at number 2 to match the production of a guy taken number 7 isn’t setting him up for failure.
And if he gets to 13, no I won’t be down on him.
When you’re known to have an animus towards a player, I’d take their opinion with a grain of objectivity.
So then you’re original question doesn’t match your answer.
You: What is low on sacks for Bosa to not be looked at as a disappointment in year 1?
You: [In response to, “Jack, What’s your number?] 14
You: And if he gets to 13, no I won’t be down on him.
Jeez man.
It’s 1 sack. Relax.
Lol Razor. If the guy is good enough to be taken at 2 he should be able to perform to that level. If he can manage only 2.5 or 3.5 sacks more than a journeyman like Marsh or a guy like Blair who was taken at 142, it’s not good value for the pick.
49ers fans are way too ready to settle for mediocrity.
Which was a half sack shy of the rookie record and this is an all-time draft after all. They did take him above the likes Aldon Smith, Javon Kearse, Von Miller and Lawrence Taylor.
Thinking about it, Denver must be very disappointed that they drafted Bradley Chub at 5. I mean, he only got 12 sacks and was drafted 2 whole picks higher than Aldon Smith In fact, I’m sure one of their scouts got fired over that selection.
Ha! Way to jump the shark.
And Smith was 6th that season
Got it.
Seems high, but Aldon did have 19 as a rookie, so I can respect your number. Personally, If Bosa gets 14 sacks in his rookie season I’d be far from disappointed though.
Smith had 14 as a rookie playing just over 50% of the snaps. The 19.5 came in year 2 and then it all started falling apart.
Yup, I stand corrected.
For me… anything below 8.
One of the major selling points of drafting Bosa was that he was the most likely Edge rusher to be an instant impact player. The idea being they would get more bang for their buck on his rookie contract than they would with anyone else save Q.
Allen, Sweat or Burns may be better by year 5, but teams will have to pay big bucks for their productive years.
I’m thinking 5 or fewer. I suspect he’ll be dinged here and there, missing four games in ’19.
So 5 or fewer wouldn’t disappoint you???
Allow me to clarify…five or fewer would be a disappointment. A huge disappointment if he stays injury free and plays a vast number of downs.
Really depends on how many snaps he gets. Five would be fantastic if a played only ten snaps all season.
Aren’t you the one who says that pressures are more important? While I would like to see 8 sacks, if the addition of Bosa means more pressure resulting in poor QB play and/or more sacks by Ford, Buckner, et.al., then I think Bosa’s rookie campaign will have been successful.
“Aren’t you the one who says that pressures are more important?”
Don’t think I’ve ever said that.
9
Tbh its more how he and the DL play overall that matters for me. Uf the unit is highly disruptive and generating sacks and he is setting a hard edge he’s doing his job. In that instance I would be fine with him getting around 6 sacks as a rookie. But I expect it will be closer to between 7 and 10.
I’ve been more anxious to see his affect on the rest of the defensive line, and the ripple effect throughout. I think Bosa has the rare intangible to raise the play of those around him….
“its more how he and the DL play overall”
This is true. Only thing is the organization made a big investment in the group prior to the draft with the signing of Ford. That alone should be enough for the unit to show improvement in 2019.
3 Prong attack.
Six.
That would be terrible
Depends on the context. If its six sacks and he mostly struggles, yeah, that’s bad. If its six sacks but he is a big part of generating pressures and sacks for other guys, and forcing offenses out of their game, that’s fine.
Lol. They have a guy who got 12 sacks last year and added another who got 13. He could do nothing more than Blair or Marsh did a season ago and the team could still end up with an improved pass rush.
The guy who got 13 did it with a very good DT next to him and a very good edge rusher opposite him, on a team whose offense dictated the opponent pass the ball a lot. While Ford will improve the pass rush, he’s just one guy and if they have Blair opposite him then Ford will likely see a lot more double teams than last season. However, if Bosa is a consistent threat opposite him then Ford will get more one on one opportunities which is where he shines and the entire DL will be better for it.
Bosa doesn’t have to put up big sack numbers to have a very positive impact. Though I expect he will anyway.
Correct on all accounts Scooter.
Murphy to me is the better fit over Greedy.
I had Tytus Howard in the 2nd round for my final mock draft of the 49ers, but he surprised me by going in the 20’s. I think Risner would make a lot of sense there.
I think Shanny has Samuel over A. J. Brown due to footwork, route polish and versatility. 36 seems kinda high to me for him, but I wouldn’t question it.
At #67 there’s 3 players I’d target depending on what they do at #36. Deionte Thompson FS/Riley Ridley WR/Joejuan Williams CB.
Oh hell no on Deionte Thompson. That dude is a torch waiting to get lit up. Not a fan at all.
Grant,
How bout a round 2 and 3 mock now that the dust has settled?
Houston, I think Deebo is their guy in round 2. I don’t think they’ll address FS until round 4. Round 3 will be a corner.
Zierlein has his round 2/3 mock draft out. He has Deebo going to the Colts and the 49ers picking Metcalf. Then in Round 3 he has the 49ers picking Taylor Rapp.
Interesting.
Please not Metcalf. AJ Brown!
I’d be extremely surprised if Shanny selected Metcalf considering his limited route tree, and the recent report of not getting along with the 49ers staff.
Raz,
My WR ratings.
1. Deebo
2. A. J.
3. DK
4. Butler
5. Ridley
6. Boykin
7. Jennings
Sure that there are others. Maybe a few diamonds in the rough somewhere that we can find.
Looks good but I’d remove DK from the board as I believe the 49ers did.
I’d have Ridley above Butler.
I think it’s Deebo in round 2, and a corner in round 3. Either Joejuan Williams, or Lonnie Johnson.
AJ Brown, wide receiver
Pre-draft visits don’t get much more memorable than AJ Brown’s to the 49ers earlier this month. The Ole Miss receiver ran The Hills with Jerry Rice during his visit.
http://www.knbr.com/2019/04/26/10-best-remaining-players-for-49ers-to-target-on-day-2-of-nfl-draft/
“I want winners.” —Mike Singletary
AJ Brown showed grit, determination–‘character’–running the hill with Rice this offseason when he didn’t have to.
Brown was also one of Div 1’s most productive WR’s: If he’s available the 49ers should draft him
STATS
2018
2017
2016
REC YDS AVG TD LNG ATT YDS AVG TD LNG FUM LST
85 1,320 15.5 6 84 0 0 0.0 0 0 0 0
75 1,252 16.7 11 77 0 0 0.0 0 0 0 0
29 412 14.2 2 37 0 0 0.0 0 0 0
Walter Football stated Browns best fit is the West Coast Offense.
http://thehuddle.com/2019/04/13/nfl-draft-wr-aj-brown-ole-miss/
aj Brown Highlights
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pjPe3_ihS_0
Best players still on the board for Day 2 of the 2019 NFL Draft
By: Henry McKenna | April 26, 2019 12:23 am
After a hectic first round, there are still plenty of talented prospects available.
Greedy Williams, CB, LSU—Probably the best cornerback in this draft, it’s surprising that Williams lasted into the second round. Williams, a talented cover corner, is there for any team interested in a future No. 1 cornerback.
A.J. Brown, WR, Ole Miss
Brown does well what every receiver should: get open and catch the football. He was consistently productive in his final two college seasons. Because of that track record, he’s a much safer bet than his former teammate, Metcalf. Perhaps teams feared Brown might end up limited to the slot role in the NFL.
Hakeem Butler, WR, Iowa State
Butler had just one productive season in college. In 2018, he had 60 receptions for 1,318 yards and nine receptions. But athletically, he looks like a complete package with good agility and speed to go with excellent size. If someone’s looking for a presence to stretch the field and own the red zone, Butler could be that guy.
https://ftw.usatoday.com/2019/04/2019-nfl-draft-best-available
If the 49ers choose to draft Greedy, there’s quality WR’s later in the draft. I pointed out the Liberty U. WR already.
There’s another unheralded prospect later in the draft:
WR—Jazz Ferguson, 6′-5″, 227 lbs, 4.5 /40 yds, 1,117 yards for St. Francisville—combine was better than Boykin’s from Notre Dame.
Highlights:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pCgX9H0HMkE
Round 2 the 9ers need to go Greedy or go home (even if they have to trade up) it would be an A+ for the 1st 2 rounds.
I pray they go Deebo….
Whoa oneniner don’t get all religious on me.
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Ryan Sakamoto @BEASTwriter_ 27m
Let’s see how this unfolds. I wouldn’t be shocked if #49ers traded down a bit to acquire more draft capital while still landing their targeted players. Don’t want to move down too far from 36 and miss out on top tier WR /DB tho. The intel and mocks need to align
That’s exactly the correct course of action with the amount of talent that got pushed down into round 2. Trade down to 46ish and then take Deebo.
Yeah, razor, we missed out on Harry. At this point Deebo has the best speed/hands/yac combo— then AJ Brown
Ryan Sakamoto @BEASTwriter_ 33m
If #49ers can come out of the first three rounds with the #1 edge rusher, top 3 WR, & top 5 DB that’s an A-grade from me. 1st round (No. 2): DE Nick Bosa 2nd round (No. 36): WR Deebo Samuel (1st choice) OR A.J. Brown (2nd choice) 3rd round (No. 67): Lonnie Johnson Jr/Thornhill
That’s how I’d expect it to play out.
Alot hinges on which is more likely to drop to 67… a starting receiver or starting DB.
I’d take Greedy at 36. But if I thought all my favorite receivers would be gone by 67, I might go AJ or Deebo.
wellllll here we are! 2nd round! so many good players available…..its as if we traded back into the first round!
many Wr’s…..
many Cb’s…..
some S’s
and to my surprise……some good o-linemen!!! Juwan Taylor would be a great pick!!! He could back up both T spots, maybe start at G…and be the long term answer for when Staley retires!!
JoeJaun could be a 3rd round pick as well as Butler at Wr