SANTA CLARA
Kyle Shanahan made a valid point Sunday about his miserable quarterback, C.J. Beathard.
This was just after Beathard committed three turnovers and the 49ers lost by 29 points at home, their fifth loss in a row. Since he replaced the injured Jimmy Garopplo, Beathard has committed 10 turnovers in four weeks and ruined the 49ers’ chances of winning any games.
A reporter asked Shanahan during his postgame press conference why he continues to play Beathard.
“Because C.J. is the best quarterback we have in our building,” Shanahan explained.
Shanahan’s key phrase, brilliant in a way, is “in our building.” Beathard certainly would be the 49ers’ best option if the world were no bigger than the inside of their facility. He would be the greatest quarterback alive. Shanahan would need to look no further.
But, if Shanahan were merely to leave his office, take a short walk down a hallway, open a door and exit Levi’s Stadium, he would find there’s a whole world outside the building. And a free-agent quarterback who’s better than Beathard.
Colin Kaepernick. Yes, Colin Kaepernick.
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Sebber, is that you? Coo coo ca choo!
Was going to say Hi seb. You beat me to it.
Reminds me of a snake oil salesman guaranteeing to cure a wide variety of ailments.
I SWEAR I had nothing to do with this.
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Grant is just trolling me….;p
I hope not Seb because Grant has a brain problem and has finally shown it. He has reached a new low. I think he has finally flipped. Completely. Kyle has really pissed him off.
KS has really ticked me off by Keystone Copping this team to a 1-6 record.
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With competent coaching, this team could easily have been 3-4.
Shanahan doesn’t have the balls to sign Kaepernick
I agree with Grant: Bethard needs to go. The players do not play for him. He is tough as he stands like a statue and gets butchered. He never complains! Bring Kap back. Now. Kyle may need to go after this year anyway. He has been a disaster. Brick by Brick? We don’t have the players or the coaching or ownership for that.
The thing of it is, the fans are mainly impatient and will not trust this coaching staff, these players, or the coaching to build a viable team after 24 years of no SB victory. We look further from that goal than we did several years ago under Harbough. Too many bad coaching hires, too many draft flops, too many poorly performing FA’s, etc.
Kaep might, debatably, give the Niners a couple more wins this season. So what, for this lost season?
Grant, this is completely at odds with your previous posting about the Niners pulling the plug on every single vet to see what they have in the house. You are flailing about even more than you accuse KS of doing. Should the PD fire you at the end of the season?
I addressed your points in the column. Put the donuts down and read it again.
As an anecdote to ennui? Yes.
As a serious FOOTBALL move? NO.
This article is particularly, how shall I say it..? Ah yes, GLENN DICKEY-ESQUE.
Ask your Dad if the reference is too obscure.. :-)
Progressive????? Moral???? oh, you mean like Kap with his Pig Socks! Ooops!! There I go “Hating” again!!!!!!!!!
Does everybody notice how everybody needs to change, to grow……except for Kap?
Should the PD fire you at the end of the season?
The way this blog is going this year that’s not a bad idea!
Put down the avocado toast. There is no need for addressing anything as the whole premise makes zero sense from the outset.
Grant, Your feed has been hacked by Seb! Change your password!!
Click Bait, Click Bait, Click Bait!!!
Grant, this would never happen. I get all your points and they are not without merit. I think Kaep is way better than Tom Savage, but Shanahan has no interest. Has said so recently. Kaep would be an upgrade over CJ, I mean so would Savage, but he has been out of football for 2 years, still has trouble reading coverages, and doesn’t go through progressions well. Instead of taking sacks, he runs out of bounds behind the line of scrimmage. He throws the ball behind the sticks on 3rd downs like no other. He was in an offense completely tailored to him under Chip Kelley and didn’t succeed. I am not so sure they want to be a media circus or any of the distractions that come along with Kaep. If they were taking a fan vote, I would say, sign anyone who could help, including Kaep.
Whatever you want to say about Kaepernick, he’s better than Beathard.
The only difference between the two is that one has lead feet
If you were replying to my post, I said as much…Definite upgrade over Beathard. Just will not happen is all.
I’m better than both guys!
Grant:
Is Kap better than Beathard?
1) He has little to no understanding or experience with KS’ “QB in the pocket” offense.
2) He hasn’t played professional football in two years.
3) Word has it that he is thin as a bean pole (vegan diet), not the muscular specimen in the picture at the top of this column.
Yes, Kaepernick is so much better than Beathard. Not even close.
If you’re going to go this route (washed up QBs), then RGIII makes more sense. He is still in the game trying to keep up his skills and he has experience with KS’ offense.
Neither you nor anyone else has any idea what Kap’s abilities are at this point. He hasn’t played in two years. At least RGIII is on a professional NFL team.
You are correct, but then even Grant doesn’t expect a serious response to his provacation.
I don’t know if it would be the right move to bring in Kaep at this point in time. Kaep would do much better than Beathard. 49er fans have never really appreciated the skills he brought to the table. He can often carry a team on those alone. They judged him for area’s he was not good in but failed to consider that the area’s he was good in compensated for those . He would do much better with this team than any team he had after 2012. The O-line is better. The receivers are certainly better and the schemes that Shanahan runs get the most out of the players he has.
The main problem would be to get Kaep up to speed on the offense and that wouldn’t happen soon enough. Running a limited amount of plays would produce wins but not serve the long term plan of getting the players the experience for next season.
One of Kaeps skills that was unappreciated was his ability to throw hard. That is what kept his interception rate down. He could throw through small windows. Unlike Beathard, he could release late and with the heat he put on the ball it would reach the receiver before the defender could close the space. People complained about him not throwing with touch, but when he worked the off season and attempted to use touch he threw those 3 interceptions in the Arizona game because he was used to the small windows he could get his fast throws through. He just needed to learn when to put touch and when to throw heat.
Still it makes no sense to pick up Kaep right now for a variety of reasons. For one it is too late for him to make an impact this season and Shanahan has made it clear why Kaep didn’t make sense long term.
Still the hate for Kaep by even 49er fans never made sense to me until this season. This season shows that the just seem to look for an excuse to hate on anyone.
Grant,
Sounds like you need fresh meat to gorge on.
Signing Kaep would only allow you to obtain record setting clicks for the PD.
Please let it go.
Two things may work against CK if signs on.
1. He was declining after his last season as evidenced by being benched in favor of Gabbert.
2. His social leanings might be a distraction in the locker room.
Colin is far from being ready to play even if he signs within minutes of this writing.
It’s a no for me.
I can name 100 sports writers better than you….what does that prove. Kaep will NEVER play for the 49ers again. If you cant understand why,, then I question your intellect and sports knowledge.
I Totally agree with you Grant! but who is going to convince KS ?
The fans.
So now the asylum turns the keys over to the inmates? Lol. The WE WANT CARR chant didn’t produce him as the next QB.
The fans wanted a sun roof at Levi’s too.That didn’t happen.
The fans wanted Baalke fired.
You didn’t learn anything from the press conference yesterday?
Shanahan told you they are not interested in a quick fix.
And speaking for the fans, the real 49ers fans, the ones who know that in order for this organization to have sustainable success it has to start with drafting and developing. That’s gonna take another 2-3 years.Then we start adding big name free agents.
Like it or not, this is the plan for the next 2-3 years and speaking as a fan, a paying money fan, I’m ok losing in the short term to get this right.
Brick by brick baby!
You don’t pay money.
I most certainly do. Between attending 2 games a year, NFL Sunday ticket and all the booze just to watch this team every Sunday, I’m invested in this team.
And I’ve been doing this for the last 20 years and will do it till the day I die!
I do, and I agree with you……… I think it is good to develop Beathard, but at this point, would prefer to be entertained, and signing Kaepernick would provide that.
Yes we do. We pay the high prives to see our 49ers not yours. You have a rag paper pay for your admittance.
The fans didn’t get Baalke fired. Baalke got Baalke fired. It was just became obvious to everyone how he had screwed up the franchise. I am sure Jed saw it earlier but he had hitched his horse to that wagon and had to run it till the wheels totally came off. People just didn’t realize just how good a Pr a$$ kisser Baalke was with his superiors. That’s what got him the job and allowed him to hang on to it for so long. And that same ability was what allowed him to BS Jed into keeping him so long.
Jed trusts both Shanahan and Lynch and their rebuilding plan. Most fans do not because they want immediate results. While I understand their perspective, their impatience blinds them to this team best long term interests. Grant, I suspect that you know better but for you this is just about an opportunity to stir up some new sh!t. lol.
Grant
the fans also wanted Erickson fired, Nolan fired, Singletary fired, Tomli fired, Harbaugh fired, ‘Chip’ fired….Hey, we’re out of coaches coach….let it be….
Lots of coaches would want to coach Jimmy Garoppolo.
Belichick? Shanny is safe unless BB is interested.
Or McDaniels.
Hahahahahah McDaniels. The biggest weasel in the NFL.
Man you are on a roll tonight Grant!
Wasn’t he the 49ers’ first choice?
He backed out with the 49ers as well didn’t he for that 2nd interview?
The only way McDaniels becomes a HC is if Billy B retires.
After what he pulled with Indy why would any other team consider him.
He did back out. Now, the 49ers have his quarterback.
Grant
I agree, …but not in San Francisco
Fans can fickle like the media.
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We should take names and see how their tune changes once the rebuild starts to bear fruit. Everyone will jump right back on the band wagon. Just like they did when that losing streak last season became a winning streak at the end.
As I stated often in the past– I believe that sports provides a therapeutic release for bottled up emotions via projection. Thats why fan is short for fanatic. In following sports, normally rational beings become irrational.
Jed York says no.
Btw, I suggested this weeks ago.
Cut me a check bro! Hmph.
You were just parroting me. I take no back seat to my fandom of Kaep. ;p
I agree with you Grant. The 49ers should sign Kap but not because he gives the team a better chance of winning. But to solidify the elegant tank.
“Jim Harbaugh always wanted competition on his team. Made players earn their jobs”
Not Kap. He got the job based on an injury and it pretty much sealed Harbaughs fate in SF.
Kaep was a better option for the team. You guys keep comparing Kaep behind an injury plagued team beginning at midpoint 2012, to the Injury free team of 2011. Once the 2011 team lost a key player – Ginn the wheels came off. Special teams and career games by certain players played a major part. After the Smiths injuries the team defense began to give up 29 points a game the rest of the season. Their once reliable field goal kicker hurt his thigh and became very unreliable. Their record setting turnover ration of 2011, dropped by 19. During the 2011 season everything went in the teams favor, from an easy schedule to lack of injuries, etc.
The ball control team of 2011 no longer existed in 2012 and that became obvious to Harbaugh. That is why he realized the team needed more offensive and Kaep could supply that. This was pretty much beaten to death when Kaep was here. Logic and reason held no sway with people who already had their minds made up based on their own bias and ego agenda’s. I was really glad that Kaep was no longer here so that perhaps this BS negativity would finally end. Well I was mistaken. It was not Kaep but a segment of 49er fans who will always look for something to complain about or someone to hate on.
“49ers can’t assess their wide receivers if Beathard doesn’t get them the ball.”
True, but can we assess them fairly while running a Kap based offense? Uh-oh, Kap threw behind Bourne, Kap one-hopped a ball to Taylor.
“Can’t assess their offensive linemen if Beathard stands in the pocket.”
True, but Kap takes a lot of sacks too.
At least Kaepernick protects the football and is mobile. He would add an element to the offense.
It sure wouldn’t be a consistent forward passing game! And he’s going to learn any part of KS offense?
Grant, his pluses are quickly figured out, and there are elements to the art of QB that he has no interest in learning.
He can bounce a football off a wr’s helmet. Remember thatbone Grant ?
“At least Kaepernick protects the football”
http://www.espn.com/nfl/player/stats/_/id/14001/colin-kaepernick
7 fumbles in 2016. Did his thumb ever get better?
Grant
Yeah,if he was playing #2 TE and he could block….We need a second TE to give support to Kittle, and give CJB a second ‘big’ target who can block…Celek isn’t him…I thought Wick could be, but he dropped ‘a’ pass, got waived, and is now back on the PS…..Brent Jones dropped a few passes also….Kaep is an answer on Jeopardy…
Signing Kap would set the offense back. KS’ offense is complex and the players need experience in this offense to gel. Why change the offense when you will be going back to it next year with JG? That would stunt the entire offense’s development.
‘Signing Kaep would set the offense back’.
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Dude, they are 1-6. The offense is already stunted.
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Grasping at straws.
Was talking about next year and beyond. It took time for the Falcons to become one of the best offenses ever, despite already having talent. They had growing pains along the way, we’re having growing pains too.
And while I think Kap would be better than CJ, I’m not confident in that. He hasn’t played since 2016. He’s never been a film guy. He’s set in his ways WRT mechanics. One read QB (occasionally two reads). Inconsistent accuracy and placement. Had trouble learning Chip’s college offense.
80, I am still all in with JG, and am happy that he is the long term QB.
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Kaep would be a stop gap, for the rest of this season. I hope he would do well, so another team would sign him as their starting QB.
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Oh please, that one read screed is specious. I have seen Kaep go through his progressions many times.The problem with his last couple years, was that he did not have time to progress past his first read before a pass rusher was in his face.
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I have also seen Kaep make jaw dropping throws, and he is accurate on the run. He even displayed good touch, throwing over the LBs and in front of the safeties.
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Had trouble learning the Chip Kelly college offense? Maybe because he was not at Oregon, but in the NFL. Blaming Kaep for that 2-14 season is unfair. The Niner defense doomed that team, by allowing third string RBs gallop for 200 yards.
“Blaming Kaep for that 2-14 season is unfair.”
When did I do that?
Questions for all. Do you not buy KS’ explanation for not signing Kap? Would you rather have Kap for 9 games or Bosa for 10+ seasons?
‘Had trouble learning the Chip Kelly college offense’. Implying he did not lead them to victories.
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Scheme fit? a 1-6 team may need to revamp their scheme.
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KS admits he is not competent enough to take Kaep and win with him. Instead, KS takes Hoyer and CJB and proves he can lose with them.
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There is no guarantee that the Niners will get Bosa.
We both know I put most of the blame on Trent and Chip for 2016. I also blamed the D, the DC, WRs, and OL.
I said Kap should start until I saw no improvement in the preseason. I also said he should start when Gabbert benched himself. Then Kap got benched in Chicago because of a historically bad performance. Kap deserves some of the blame.
“There is no guarantee that the Niners will get Bosa.”
We lost to Az, but sure, no guarantee. It will probably be the loser of the Oak/SF game.
80, Gruden is doing his damnedest to tank.
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The Niner- Raider game will be the Toilet Bowl.
#80– Do not even attempt to talk reason with people who have already made up their minds or have an agenda they wish to push. With Seb it’s Kaep. They do not seem to understand any concept that considers what is in the best interest of the future.
Seb– I was at times the sole or at least strongest defender of Kaep on this site for years. I don’t remember you. Of course I quite posting his last year and a half on the team. I also felt that the fans never gave him a square deal. Still I do not think it is in the best interests of this team to resign him for this season. Why because it does not fit in with the teams long term plans. # 80 articulated it well enough. I am just giving my support to him as a former supporter of Kaep. The point I want to make is that a person can believe it is not in this teams best interests while also not having a negative impression of Kaep as a player.
Stunted?!
How is CK going to fix that? Answer…he won’t.
You think KC would be as prolific w/o PM and KH? Or LA without JG and TG3? BTW, Niners are 20th in offense, pretty good for losing all the pieces they have this year.
This is doomsday scenario, but you don’t blow off the future for it. Jimmy and Jet will be back next season, the draft and f/a will help improve the team elsewhere as well. Signing CK, while it will never happen and only an IDIOT would pose such an idea, wouldn’t help anything for anyone. He can’t throw, he can’t run, he can’t play. He will need an entire off season to get up to any sort of speed. His NFL career is done.
However, I would love to see a team (not SF) sign him and see him flounder and fail. Maybe that would shut up his blackball-apologists who constantly say “they signed X-QB and CK still can’t get a job”. If he truly loved football he’d play in Canada and prove himself up there for a year. Show he has something. But he doesn’t. He’s a tool being used by his GF, she molded him into this social justice figure, he never cared about this until he hooked up with her…before they dated he was all about workout selfies and Miami Dolphins hats. He was all about being a curmudgeon like his coach at the time. Oh and before even that he was just a fun loving guy, fresh faced in the league. See a pattern? He is a chameleon that changes his pattern based on who is strongest in his life (parents…Harbs…GF).
Nothing worse than reading an uneducated opinion on a topic. If you want to actually understand the truth, read this article. I doubt you do though, likely preferring to criticize based on ignorance.
https://www.nytimes.com/2017/09/07/sports/colin-kaepernick-nfl-protests.html
I didn’t need to read that article. I have made my own analysis on his personality long ago. His clearly has identity issues that are based on his lack of perspective in relation to the father that abandoned his mother. He has clear issues with is mother and probable blames her for his father leaving her as he does putting him up for adoptions. Children usually blame the mother for any separation with the father. The fact that he had no relationship with her makes it easier to label her the villain.
Basically he is on a quest for his own identity using the absent and unattainable image of the father he will never know. what he ends up with is not real but a self projected illusion.
This was not helped by the negative hate he was subjected too on sites like this and though the press. It is no wonder he ended up being vulnerable to a strong willed and agenda driven individual. It gave him a sense of purpose and belonging.
While it get more involved than that, including his birth parents becoming the “micro” metaphor for the “macro “racial relationships in America. Even his adoptive parents take a role as the liberal establishment does in that dynamic. All of this is an extremely abbreviated version, but it is a bit to complex to go into on this site. Besides I am too lazy to give it the attention it deserves.
In respect to this article being the truth! I found it rather obvious and rather simplistic exercise in promoting a specific viewpoint. That is rather easy to do. It is rather superficial.
Question is, would Kaep be able to pick up and execute the offense KS runs? Its not the type of offense he had his success in. Its not the type of offense most experts believe he is suited to running. And it is too late to be changing the offense completely to suit a new QB.
“And he would give them a chance to evaluate their roster. The 49ers can’t assess their wide receivers if Beathard doesn’t get them the ball. Can’t assess their offensive linemen if Beathard stands in the pocket”.
That’s a very similar statement to the one I made a few weeks ago about why the 49ers shouldn’t be benching/ trading their vets, including two of their best players in Sherman and Staley. Getting rid of/ benching your better players makes it all the harder for the rest of the team to perform, which makes it all the harder to evaluate the players. You didn’t agree with me.
Kaepernick is a bad fit in this offense. If you want a better fit trade for RGIII.
Kaepernick is better than RGIII. Beathard is better than RGIII.
Better at what?
Playing quarterback.
I agree! RG3 is a shadow of his former self. The skill that made him able to compensate for his shortcomings, he no longer possesses. Kaep still has them.
Jimmy G >>>> Kaep > Beathard > RG3 ???
A couple of extra wins at the expense of the rest of the O learning Kyle’s system will constitute truly “meaningless wins”.
We will continue to be deeply immersed in our elegant tank, and “we will love it”!
Yes! Tank for a top pick. It will pay off in all the rounds. This team is better than the record they will have this season for a number of reasons. Worst thing would be to overachieve just to get some wins. Underachieve for the draft.
Not so sure I agree with that. RGIII at his best is better than Beathard & Kaepernick combined. Since were throwing out outlandish ideas i think it would be fan-EFFING-tastic if Lynch traded Beathard for RGIII and then signed Manziel to be the backup. Total power move by Lynch.
RGIII hasn’t been at his best since he tore his ACL. He’s awful.
I would hv agreed with you a year ago. RGIIII looked great in The preseason and all indications are he keeps getting better. Kaepernick hasn’t played football Since 2016. What indication do you have that he can be signed off the street and be effective? I mean, hell, why don’t we sign Peyton Manning? He won a Super Bowl in his last game.
Griffin played one decent game in the preseason and three bad ones.
Disagree. RGIII played 1 good game and showed flashes in every game he entered – even when playing with guys who were ultimately cut. Ravens took a roster spot to keep RGIII as the 3rd QB. Teams don’t do that unless they think a guy can play.
https://www.usatoday.com/story/sports/nfl/2018/09/03/baltimore-ravens-robert-griffin-iii-rg-3-joe-flacco/1182123002/
There are quite of few guys out there who think RGIII to the 9ers makes sense. You’re the only guy I’ve seen pulling CK’s name out of the trash heap.
https://www.baltimoreravens.com/news/late-for-work-9-26-will-ravens-trade-robert-griffin-iii-to-49ers
Trading a draft pick for RGIII is an awful idea.
You’re the only guy I’ve seen pulling CK’s name out of the trash heap.
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But signing a guy who hasn’t played in the NFL in 2 years that Shanahan didn’t try to resign because he’s a bad fit for the offense is a good idea?
It’s a better idea than giving up a pick for RGIII or continuing to play Beathard.
It’s an idea based on an absurdity for someone who is hungry for hits, and is fishing with clickbait.
It’s a better idea than giving up a pick for RGIII or continuing to play Beathard.
So then you agree that Shanahan, Lynch, and the Scouting Dept are doing a good job of rebuilding the roster and their astute draft picks are too valuable to give up for a stop gap QB?
RGIII is a swell guy and is fairly accurate, but his knee was shredded. Watching him run just proves that he is a shell of his former self.
Kap is far from accurate, has one shredded knee and the other has a steel rod in it.
I don’t think RGIII and the Shanahan’s were on the best of terms by the end of their time in Washington, so that is about as likely as Kap being signed off the street. The best option was trading for Teddy B, but that ship has sailed now.
RG is too fragile and doesn’t know how to protect himself. He would not last very long if he played his game. He also has lost most of his speed since his ACL. He is not the same player. I don’t think they should sign either player. But if having to make a choice Kaep is much better. You guys just let your Kaep hate cloud your perspective even to the point of choosing a shadow of himself RG3 over him.
In 2012 RGIII under Kyle Shanahan (as OC) had a 102.4 QB rating. 65.6% passer rating. 3200 yards passing. 20 TDs. 5 INTs. He also rushed for 815 Yards and 7 TDs.
I’m pretty sure Beathard can’t make any similar or comparable claims.
Kaepernick vs. RGIII? He actually played in a variation of Shanhan’s offense. RGIII has been playing football for the past 4 months (as a back up with the Ravens). Kaepernick at best has been throwing to out of work receivers and college and high school kids.
That was six years and how many knee surgeries ago?
When was the last time Kaepernick was any good? At least RGIII is still in football and has played for Shanahan with some degree of success.
2016. Griffin hasn’t been any good since 2012.
I would not call Kaepernick’s 2016 passing stats significant. At least not significant enough to warrant signing him despite the fact that he hasn’t done anything football related since then. No football…zip, nada…zero…it’d be one thing if Kaepernick were at least dinking the ball around in the CFL but he hasn’t done anything. Again, at least RGIII has been playing football AND has played for Shanahan. Shanahan had his opportunity to work with Kaepernick and I think he was pretty clear about what he thinks of him as a QB. I know he’s no fan of RGIII. But at least he’s had some success with RGIII in the past.
So Kaep will be the Ron Popeil for the NFL? His QB-O-Matic will slice thru the D line and dice up the defensive backfield.
Grant’s two previous postings were not gaining traction and so he strews some plasma in cyberspace…
I’ve been on this blog for 7 years, and this is by far the absolute worst write up I can remember. An overt clickbait sellout. It’s lazy, it’s absurd and it’s a big fat donut filled with crap….
Thanks for your opinion. Enjoy watching C.J. Beathard’s football follies.
That’s what fans do. They follow their team. And if they don’t like it, they can watch other teams or another sport.
But making the suggestions you have made, it’s weak as light beer urine!
Wrong, Grant-and you knew it before you said it i.e. its either Kap or Beathard. Thats it.
No it isn’t. This particular article was indeed click bait-notwithstanding the FACT Kap is in no way whatsoever in football shape. You know this, of course…………………
Between suggesting Shanahan is on the hot seat and now sigining Kap, someone is getting desperate.
Never would I want someone to lose a job, but us long time fans deserve better than this.
Oh Razor….give Grant a break (I know that sounds funny coming from me). But have some sympathy for the poor guy…..he has to cover the 49ers for two more months and it’s all going to be the same thing….how badly they’re playing and if and how they’re going to fix it in the off season. Signing Kaepernick would suddenly make the 49ers a national story again and interesting to write about… and he’s not wrong….Kaepernick is better (to some degree) than Beathard….enough to warrant signing him?…that’s another debate.
I love Grant, but let’s go through it and see where we end up here.
Throwing motion
Beathard>Krap
Footwork
Beathard>Krap
Pocket Mechanics
Beathard>Krap
Touch Passes
Beathard>Krap
Film Study
Beathard>Krap
Toughness
Beathard>Krap
Leadership>Krap
Humility
Beathard>Krap
Pro-style Reads
Beathard>Krap
Football Intelligence
Beathard>Krap
There’s an old saying as well. Every second I grow weaker, while in the jungle they grow strong. Beathard is in the jungle, and Krap has been at the hair salon, and picking up awards for the last 2 years. I could go on, but I don’t want to bore you, because I know your football acumen is among the best in here. Especially when it pertains to defense….
Razoreater,
Stop before you choke on Beathard’s jock
Tufon,
Get off the crack!
Everything Razor listed..No way they sign him……..his head isn’t ready to be face deep in a play book and he never was. He’s a social protest guy. He should of kept that social stuff off the field, in the streets, townhalls, internet, CNN, ect. Like everyone else, knock yourself out but not on the frickin field. He’s 31 next week and hasn’t played in 2 years. I usually agree with Grant but I don’t think he’s better than CJ ‘right now’ or maybe even the other backups. He got replaced by Gabbert. He’s at least really rusty now and will take WEEKS to get him up to par, It would be a terrible desperate PR move for a team that needs a top 10 draft pick.
He’ll also need that time to get the playbook down which he seems like he takes time to do. He doesn’t study good enough, he looks at one WR then runs too much instead of staying in the pocket. He’s inaccurate, he’s hard to watch just like CJ. He wants too much money. He may or may not fit in Shanny’s O. Sure he can run but now maybe not as good or as fast as he used to. The 49ers aren’t in tank mode for the draft ..BUT maybe not in a rush to probably end up 6-10, why. He’s not the future. He lacks NFL football intelligence. He has WAY too much baggage and media attention…and on..and on..and on.
allfor,
It’s not the type of national attention we need.
Kaep would instantly become the face of the 49ers which is absolutely unfair to every player who has been injured and those playing through injuries in the last seven games.
Signing CK smacks of a desperate attempt at a PR move.
I don’t believe that the Org would stoop to such a low level for the purpose of gaining publicity.
What are we trying to win a publicity stunt, or are we developing depth on a team in year 2 of a massive rebuild?
@AES
Signing Kapernick or trading for RGIII would be a sign of desperation. But a desperate football move.
A case can be made that Kaep or RGIII would be an improvement to the offense if implemented correctly.
As for the what is fair and the feelings of the players? Playing better on offense and winning cures most if not all of that.
A 1-6 team is a desperate team.
Allfor,
I respect your view, but my concern re Kaep is this: Which CK would we be getting (hypothetical)?
Would it be the CK that tore-up the league in his first and second seasons or the CK who was running for his life from a non-pressured pocket?
Keap’ play was on the decline and this was happening even after Chip Kelly handed him an offense that fit his strengths.
I just don’t see Keap regaining his early magic especially after a two year absence from football.
The 1-6 record is embarrassing and there is a lot of blame to go around for it, but I still believe in Shanahan’ vision for the team. Vision typically takes time to come to fruition.
Keap would be more of an interference than a remedy imo.
2012 Kaep and 2016 Kaep are mostly the same player. It’s just that defenses decided to make sure he couldn’t easily run away and to defend what appeared to be his primary receiver. That and get pressure on him (which was easy considering the Niner’s O-line at the time).
No you’re not going to get a superstar QB. You’re going to get a limited but athletic QB that doesn’t turn the ball over (which might be the biggest selling point for Kaep over Beathard). If Kyle wants to, he can even design plays to take advantage of that athleticism (he’s done it before).
The team needs a spark. The team needs to win. The vision right now is stifling and suffocating the team. It’s not like they can’t go back to Garapolo and the vision next season. The ultimate goal of the vision should be winning football games and not installing the ideal offensive system. Visions/plans should be adaptable.
Suffocating a young quarterback is precisely what a good defense does, and we just played one of the best in the world….
which is why some changes need to be made. both schematically and maybe in personnel.
Only 7 years…..smh
Now that’s funny. Kap. ?
I actually found it entertaining. “Think outside the building Kyle.” Good stuff Grant.
No it’s never going to happen but it brings up a broader question in regards to QB play and where things are going in the future. Most important point presented by this article imo: They are going to need a better backup QB on this team moving forward in light of the fact Garoppolo has suffered two injuries in 10 career starts.
Thanks, Rocket.
Yes, based on what Beathard has shown us the past two years the backup QB position is one that needs to be improved.
Can guarantee Shanahan will continue to bring in QBs that are (presumably) pocket QBs. He won’t bring in Kaep.
Scooter, true! But is that a mistake to only bring in a certain passer while excluding others? I certainly don’t know at this point. I suppose Shanahan is Ok with it, but I am somewhat troubled that the coach prefers his vision to having a better team.
There is strong logic behind it, in that it means you don’t need to change your offense if your starting QB gets hurt. That is beneficial to everyone on the offense that has gone through the process of learning the system and playbook. Better to just learn one system and playbook than need to learn variants depending on the starting QB.
However, it becomes a problem if you can’t find enough guys capable of running that system.
Patriots have proven they are capable of finding enough guys to run their system. I don’t know why this system would be such that there aren’t enough guys to run it. It’s more likely they need more time to find acquire those guys, and then they need to stay healthy. But, once we establish depth we won’t need to worry as much about injury and that’s what these first few years have always been about….
“Patriots have proven they are capable of finding enough guys to run their system.”
In the last 10 years, including this one, they’ve had a total of 4 games started by a QB not named Brady.
They’ve also spent 9 picks on QB’s since 2000. They’ve invested in the position to build depth there and trade chips. We’ll see what happens here.
The Patriot’s system has evolved considerably over the years during Brady’s time. In fact both offense and defense evolve week to week. It’s Belichick and Brady’s flexibility at implementing custom tailored offensive and defensive schemes and teaching it to the players that has made them so effective every year. The Patriot’s scheme is: “Whatever Works”.
Correct and the only reason they can do this is because they have been there so long. Tom Brady has been in the league for almost two decades and has seen and done it all. Belichick has had the same amount of time to install his systems and bring in the players he wants. It’s a great luxury that no other team really has.
Rocket
You’re not hearing what I’m saying. The Patriots adapt on the fly too. From game to game. Belichick and his coaches teach something different almost every week. It’s not because they’ve been there so long that there systems are in place. It’s that the Patriot’s system is about change…not a static scheme that they’re trying to fit players into. There is not one set way of doing things for them. What I see the Niners doing right now is trying to shoehorn players into their desired schemes….and hoping and praying that next comes around around and they can fix things the way they want them. That’s not good coaching and it’s not going to fly for very long. You have to be adaptable.
Agree with this
How many rookies or 2nd year players have started for the Patriots the last 5 years?
affp,
I hear what you’re saying. What I’m saying is they can do that because they have a lot of the same players who have been around for a long time including the QB. Asking Beathard and other players who have been here for a year and a half to learn new things each week when they haven’t mastered the staples, is asking a lot. The Patriots didn’t do the things they do now early on in Belichick’s time there, in fact the offense was pretty conservative.
I also don’t see a big problem with the offense as a whole as I said in an earlier post. They are moving the ball and the running game has been good for the most part. The biggest problem they have is turnovers and that’s not a scheme issue.
Kaepernick suffers from the same problem that Beathard does. He’s a slow processor for reading coverages on the fly and going through progressions. But Kaepernick compounds that by scrambling….often too early. Now that can lead to some big plays. But for Kyle the Offensive Coordinator it doesn’t work. Kyle the OC wants someone that will TRY to stick the pocket and make plays according to the reads and timing that he has prescribed within the offensive play called.
I don’t know if Kaepernick is any better than Beathard. He might be…it’s not exactly a high bar to overcome. But that’s a big if at this point. The only thing guaranteed is that it would be a circus of a spectacle. Both Kapernick’s tendency for off script play and the circus spectacle his presence would create are not conducive for Kyle the OC who wants to implement HIS system (at all costs…for some reason) and evaluate the remaining players this year for fitting into HIS offense next season.
Shanahan’s concepts and overall scheme aren’t much different than what Kaepernick had success with in the NFL. The difference is how he’s calling the plays and sets them up.
I don’t think he’d have to tinker with the offense for Kaepernick any more than he did for Beathard.
Shanahan’s concepts and overall scheme aren’t much different than what Kaepernick had success with in the NFL.
Yeah just reading defenses and playing in the pocket and fitting the ball in tight windows is what he struggled with. Basically what Shannys entire offense revolves around!
The reality of offense in the NFL is that there’s not a lot that’s too different no matter what the system is. It’s how it’s implemented. But passing concepts are passing concepts most systems use many of the same ones…just dress them up or call them differently.
But Shanahan’s comments are a direct comparison of Kaepernick to RGIII. He doesn’t believe Kaepernick is able or willing to stick in the pocket to make his offense work the way he wants it to. For RGIII he tinkered with it to incorporate more mobile QB types of plays (more zone reads…than he uses now….more bootlegs, roll outs…etc…..stuff he should probably be doing now). But what Shanahan wants is a pocket passer. Someone who will try to make his timing and routes work. Scrambling messes that all up.
“But what Shanahan wants is a pocket passer. “
Understood. Problem there is that if a guy is a good pocket passer he’s a starter somewhere.
He could still run his offense, with a little more of the other things mixed in like you said he should already be doing.
It’s why I initially said “Kyle the OC”. Kyle the Head Coach should go to his OC and tell him to fix things however to make the offense work better. But Kyle the OC is stuck in implementing his offensive system. Much like Saleh seems to be stuck trying to implement his system. IMO I’ve seen far too much static scheme implementation. Things need to be altered for the players they have on hand.
The best way to learn how to swim is to be thrown into the deep end.
It’s been 8 games. What’s the definition of insanity? What happens when someone fails to learn to swim when they’re thrown into the deep end?
Tread water until reinforcements arrive. Receivers weren’t getting open. Runner allowed the ball to be extracted. Plenty of failures to go around. It’s not all on Beathard. I really doubt Jimmy would make much of a difference with this team as it is currently constructed. Keep in mind, this is year 2 of a massive rebuild….
With Jimmy they would have probably won another game or two that they were close in score.
It’s not all on Beathard by any stretch of the imagination. But just look at Beathard’s play….he’s obviously not playing well and Jimmy is by far a better option. For good or bad Jimmy has a quick trigger. He’s generally not going to take those sacks and hits like Beathard.
The team needs to win some games. Installing an offensive system or defensive system should be a secondary concern.
I think you’d risk stunting the development of the entire offensive scheme by bringing in a quarterback that’s skill set is not conducive. Not to mention giving him the keys when he’s unable to earn it. Beathard has earned the respect of his team mates, and every snap he gets bodes well in the event Jimmy ever gets injured again. In fact, one could argue that Beathard cannot be fairly evaluated until the injury bug is fumigated….
Razor, you’re making Kyle’s argument…which I posted.
I’m saying do what works to win right now. It’s not like they can’t go back next year with Jimmy to implement the offensive scheme. As I said earlier, passing concepts are passing concepts…to a significant degree everyone calls the same ones. How much experience are the players getting now? Good coaches are fluid with their X’s and O’s. I’m all for having a scheme that you’re good at and getting players for that scheme But I’m also practical in knowing that once you have your players (or the players you can get) you have to do the best you can to get your scheme to work for them.
“But I’m also practical in knowing that once you have your players (or the players you can get) you have to do the best you can to get your scheme to work for them.”
This is how coaching works
Yeah we’re on the same page.
if we’re just stirring up the hypothetical s@#$%t pot for giggles.
Trading for RGIII would make more sense if Kyle wants to implement a more varied and mobile attack. At least he’s worked with RGIII before and knows what he’s getting and what he could do.
AFFP: Yepper.
Razor
you’re not worried about the offense?
27 sacks Tied for 2nd
7 interceptions Tied for 3rd
Tied for first with 8 Fumbles
Turn Over Ratio -15 LAST IN THE LEAGUE (not being helped by the defense either)
Last thing I’m worried about is the offense. My main concern is the pass rush off the edge, coupled with the secondary….
affp,
The offense as a whole has been about as good as can be expected under the circumstances. They have moved the ball well in most of the games and are in the middle of the pack in total offense. There is nothing wrong with the system and it’s not holding players back from what I see. The problem is the backup QB keeps turning the ball over and there is no system that can fix that.
The last thing I’m worried about is the offense.
Other than the QB anyway.
there are a number of things that can be done.
1. is switch QBs. Grants not wrong (I just have a hard time writing that he’s right). Kapernick does take better care of the ball.
2. If protecting the QB has become an issue (part of protecting the QB is establishing a strong rushing attack which just hasn’t become consistent). Then some alterations need to be made to the offense. Like: moving the pocket around. more 3 step drops. more RPOs. These are things that Kaepernick are good at. But it’s not like Shanahan couldn’t try them with Beathard either.
affp,
They have run a number of 3 step drops though. They moved the pocket twice against the Rams with moderate success and ran 4 screen plays (two bubble screens). For the most part the game plan seems to consist of 3 and 5 step drops with the occasional 7 step and play action. Beathard has done well at times and horrible at others. I’m not sure what you can do offensively that they haven’t done already. At some point you figure out that you don’t have the players who can execute consistently and that is the case with Beathard. Changing the QB is a great idea but who do you go too? Mullins? Guy has been there for two years, they know what he can do and they have no interest in putting him on the field. Savage? My guess is he will be starting at some point in the next 3 weeks if Beathard keeps turning the ball over.
Used to be you could build a second string through the draft and wait till they developed. Hammer may have hit the nail in the head. Maybe there aren’t many good ones out there because college programs go for athletic running QBs and never develop their pocket skills.
Which may be one of the reasons play is down in the league overall as well. The colleges just aren’t developing football players as much as athletes.
the other reason player aren’t developing as quickly or as well is because of the modified (lessened) practice schedule and time available for coaches to meet with players through out the year. succesfull coaches are able to bridge the gap and get some good play out of QBs still developing their Pro passing skills.
Hammer,
When has CK improved on his reading of the defense, quickly releasing his passes or developing pocket presence?
These are essential areas for successful QB play.
My point is that Kaep didn’t have these areas harnessed when he left and I certainly don’t believe that he has them now.
I rather take my lumps with Beathard for now than opening up a can of worms with CK.
Kap believed in his biceps, running ability and rocket arm. He did not believe in the art of quarterbacking, and his play on the field confirmed this as the attributes he depended on began to deteriorate….
Razor
I can see by some of your other posts that you’re a bit biased against Kaepernick for some reason (football related or otherwise).
But let’s be real. “He (Kaepernick) did not believe in the art of quarterbacking”? I would not call that an even remotely accurate assessment. He quarterbacked just fine under certain conditions such as a clean pocket when he could comfortably go through his reads or when his first read was open. Kaepernick’s problem is the same problem that most if not all mobile Quarterbacks have. It’s the same one that Steve Young had and has talked about overcoming. The scrambling QB’s first instinct is to run away from pressure. Scrambling screws up the timing of the passing concepts. Often times throwing mechanics also get out of whack while scrambling which greatly effect accuracy. Few scrambling QBs ever overcome their ingrained scrambling nature. Young talked about how Holmgren had to literally tie his legs in practice to keep him from scrambling. How he had to learn to trust his footwork and timing over his instincts to run. Remember in 2014 when it was talked about how Harbaugh and Roman were going to get Kaepernick to pass from the pocket more? And it looked like Kaepernick was just uncomfortable and ineffective. It was likely because he was so busy fighting his instincts that it froze his ability to quickly read coverages and go through progressions.
But give Kapernick a clean pocket and he would read his coverages and go through his passing progressions. Kaepernick was no dummy. There’s no way Harbaugh would have been cool with a QB that didn’t put in the hardwork. The problem was that the hard work just didn’t translate on to the football field because he was so busy fighting his instincts.
Biased? Kaepernick said as much by stating he wasn’t big on mechanics, and when Coach Ault called him on it, he replied, “I don’t know what he’s talking about”.
Then there was the report that Gabbert studied more film than Kaepernick. Maybe that’s why he beat him out, and that’s when Kaepernick decided he’d become a protestor….
Kaepernick was injured
So’s Rodgers, but did he get beat out by Kizer?
All that film study was because he was the backup and his job was to study. Kaep was game planning, and working with his receivers. Too bad all that study did not translate to competent performance on the field.
The two injuries weren’t the same. One was the shoulder while the other was the collarbone.
Injuries are part of the game, and when you lose your job to a player like Gabbert; it’s time to become a protester….
He wasn’t starting because his shoulder was hurt and he didn’t have strength built back up post surgery.
You’ve mentioned his protests multiple times.
How much of your dislike for Kaepernick is due to his protesting and your support of a man who has used this as a tool to support his agenda?
Why didn’t he protest when he was a starter?
This absurd discussion will go on, and on until Kap plays. I want him to play, and when he fails; the peanut gallery will move on and make more excuses. Well, Kap’s been out of football for a couple years, Kap needs a little more time, blah, blah, blah.
“Why didn’t he protest when he was a starter?”
I can’t answer that because I’m not in his head and don’t know if he planned to do it regardless.
I’d like to see him play too, much for the same reasons. I’d like to see him go out and succeed or fail to put the whole “blackballing” stuff to rest. At this point, having been out of the league for a year and a half I don’t think he’ll succeed.
This brings me back to, how much of your dislike for Kaepernick is due to his protesting and your support of a man who has used this as a tool to support his agenda?
I have nothing personal against Kap other than losing the Super Bowl. As for the protest, I’ve stated many times prior to Trump that I thought it was stupid. Whoever thought of alienating an entire group of people, and expecting their message to not get lost in the ensuing outrage was the epitome of stupidity. Expecting people to be receptive after wearing pig socks, and donning a Castro T-Shirt in Miami is ridiculous….
I don’t disagree with you on the pig socks or Castro shirt. Stupid choices that took away from the message.
As for alienating a group of people, I’d suggest trying to look at how certain groups are alienated in the US or the world on a daily basis.
Yea, I don’t care to get into a discussion of grey area politics of the world. America is the greatest country on the planet, and you only need to look at the mobs of people trying to get here as your first clue….
“America is the greatest country on the planet, and you only need to look at the mobs of people trying to get here as your first clue….”
It is, but that doesn’t mean that it is without its problems. The two aren’t mutually exclusive.
Hammer, I’ve got a shirt that I’d have gladly given to Colin Kaepernick. “Society has gotten to the point where everyone has a right, but not the responsibility”. Much better wardrobe choice.
When you give time and money to a cause I’d say it’s someone exercising their rights and taking responsibility to try and help.
Kaepernick has done both.
Yea, but think about the people he could have won over with that shirt, and the time and money they would have contributed?
Razor,
You are correct on these points. I think the whole idea was to try and do something that would attract people’s attention with a little shock vallue and he did that. The pig socks were a really poor decision and the Castro shirt was misinterpreted but not a good idea anyway. There was no road map to help Kap achieve what he was trying to accomplish and he made mistakes, but his intent was good and he’s lived up to his word.
OH FOR GOODNESS SAKE!
No wonder I don’t check in here much! Yikes!
Ha! Glad to hear from you, Brotha. Hoped all was well with you and the Duchess!
This was a discussion point on here a few weeks ago. It would absolutely make sense, but only if they plan on keeping Kaep around as the backup next year.
Quite frankly this is the move that should have been made prior to 2017 with Beathard as the third guy if they still wanted to draft him.
I’m not even sure that was even possible in 2017. Kaepernick might be a social activist but he’s no financial dummy. Even if the Niners wanted to keep him (which they didn’t) they weren’t going to keep him for his contract (which I think was around $16M?). And I think Kaepernick didn’t wasn’t willing to renegotiate. And also if I recall correctly, Kaeperick was looking to be paid in that $10M-$12M/Y rage of fringe starter to highly valued back up money. I think Denver wanted him to take a $5M or $7M/Y deal and he balked? I could have my facts a bit mixed up on that but that is my recollection….later as time went on I think Kaepernick was willing to play for less and even as a backup…but at that point no one wanted him.
Kaepernick turned down Denver in 2016 to stay in SF and got his full salary instead of only part.
His contract in SF was basically year to year, so if they’d just kept him to compete with Hoyer it wouldn’t have precluded them from dumping him later for a big dead cap number anyway.
You have official bumped your damn head so hard you are literally every Seb in he world.
Take two of these and call me in the morning.
Strict directions from md!
Smh
Oh and btw you called someone else out for stats, and yet here you are putting up meaningless stats from a QB that would make this team look the exact same.
How Cohn of you.
Holy Sh*t, Grant just jumped the shark.
Should we call him, Quint? More write ups like this, and he’s gonna need a smaller blog.
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Grant this laughable, Kaepernick does not want to play aka work. What on earth makes you believe Kaepernick wants to play football? Look at eric reid last week against the eagles bringing that drama to the office? Common man
Defenses have improved to the point that Keap would be ineffective with happy feet and no ability to throw a tight pass in coverage or down field consistently.
What difference would it make between CJ and Keap. The next 3 games would be the easiest to win. CJ has earned the right to start
Hammer hit it on the head, Kaep should have been in camp last year competing with Hoyer.
Let’s be real here for just a second……
They won’t resign him because the possibility of more controversy. Sf makes the most sense of any team, but there’s a large segment of Niner fans(as u can see in above comments) and every single owner that never wants to see kaep on the field despite him easily being a top 20 qb. Some never liked him to begin with…..too brash, too many tattoos, wrong ethnicity….took alexs job, who just so happens to be the opposite of Kaep in most ways imaginable. Was polarizing from day 1, yet mesmerizing in the same breath. So tired of reading weak scouting reports from so called SF that would rather go 1-16 than sign Kaep and provide entertainment for the fans which is ultimately the goal I thought. Who knows, maybe they win a few in a row in get bk into contention…..Sadly we’ll never know because he’s not a fit. 16tds 4int 500 rushn yards on a pathetic roster in his worst year. Cjb, Mullens, Hoyer, Savage….yeah, in Shanny we trust.
Well done Grant, well flipn done. My biggest gripe with you was you hadn’t weighed in on Kaep situation much, today you hit a grand slam. Niners have absolutely nothing to lose, well besides more games.
There it is, the excuse deck with racial jokers. Tell me, what’s the excuse for not being able to beat out Gabbert in an offense supposedly dreamed up for a player of Kaepernick’s skill set?
Note to DReed, almost everyone has tattoos, and the league is full of ethnicity and long hair, etc.
Yes, yes…………I see it all quite clearly. Tattoos, a rich skin color-very important, you know! In SF……..in the yr 2018……….
Even though they wanted to trade him t Denver BEFORE all of the circus hoopla.
Remember Jed and the 49ers .Org came out in support of his kneeling.
And this is the same guy who turned down millions from a super bowl winning team.
But hey. It’s all racial and controversy.
And those stats you throw up. If I recall they didn’t win games and those stats were in garbage time during games.
I don’t know how many times it has to be said. No matter what an NFL player does if their skills are top notch teams will sign them regardless.
There have been players accused of rape, abuse, drugs, alchohol and even Murder that signed long term rich contracts.
Kneeling isn’t that big of an issue.
And IMO anyone who sees race as an excuse in today’s world is a blantent racist themselves. Especially when it’s a league that’s over 80 percent black. Get real.
SMH – Grant….geez. Its going to be a long 10 months.
I wonder how many times during the next 10 months Sebber will cite this article as proof positive of his legendary status?
;p
Those 10 months just got longer.
In all this smoke surrounding the hypothetical question of whether or not
Shanny should ..(or should ,,not)… extend an olive branch to
Kaep… makes me wonder if he would even ..entertain ..
such an offer … (or not) ….
I mean … do we know fer sure … if Colin harbors any animosity for
the current regime ? …. I don’t think so … After all …
he … does… hold a playoff record … which probably won’t
be broken for awhile … and he … DID…. beat Brady in a shootout
in front of the world .. on a rainy Monday Night… so it can be argued..
that he does command .. SOME .. skills ….
so-o …. there’s that …
So do I think he should come back home … ?
A-hh … I dunno … I’m on the fence on this one …
I see many pros … and lotsa cons, as well … too
That was out of left field. Seb must have had to run and change his diaper after reading that. On a serious note Grant, your argument has some merit to me in the fact that I’d take the QB from Cardinal Newman right now over CJ DeBerg. In fact, I’m insulting DeBerg comparing him to Beathard. It’s more like CJ Druckenmiller. If you can answer, what is the actual to date status of CK? Is he staying in football shape, is he throwing balls? Who is he training with and where?
On a more serious note, are you asking if Kaepernick has been working on his quarterback skills these past 2 years?
Ha! Right Juan, right….
Yes, Juan, I am jumping for joy. ;p
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Kaep is in shape. He is totally healthy, and has not been hit for the past season and a half.
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Maybe JL should sincerely apologize to Kaep for the slight when they excluded Kaep photos from those Packer games, by giving Kaep a tryout. Then we would all see if Kaep is in football shape..
dReed,
What exactly is the wrong ethnicity?
I have followed Kaep since his high school time at Pittman High (Turlock) and at Nevada and not once did I ever hear anyone question or make a snide remark about his ethnicity.
I’ve always (continue to this day) been a fan of CK, but I love my 49ers and want the best for them.
Unfortunately, CK doesn’t fit in Shanahan’ vision for the team.
For me, that’s the bottom line.
LOL Razor. I just want Grant to back up his suggestion with some facts. Realistically, in my opinion, the Niners, or any other team for that matter, has about as much chance of signing CK as I do of piloting the next Space Shuttle mission. Oh, wait a minute. The Shuttle Program has been canceled. So has CK’s football career. I’ve said from training camp that they need to sign a veteran QB. They didn’t and now they are paying the price.
Are you saying Jimmy isn’t a veteran?
Plus, maybe Shanny’s been listening to what you’ve been saying because he’s brought in Tom Savage. You know the veteran that Zierlein compared to Beathard in his evaluation of him….
A veteran to back up Jimmy, Raz. I knew CJ was lousy. I made the point many times. What if Jimmy gets hurt? We’re gonna had the rains to CJ Beathard? Really? We need a veteran “backup” QB!!! I yelled from the bell tower! They stuck with CJ, who should have been at best the third string, or even the clip board holder. They didn’t and that’s a big part of the collapse. Sad.
What if Jimmy gets hurt?
That’s precisely why every snap Beathard gets is invaluable. Saying CJ is lousy is premature. Even Jimmy would only get one or two more wins with the team as it currently stands. As this team matures, these growing pains will solidify the depth throughout the roster and when and if the better players go down, we will be better prepared to overcome it….
Quit beating that Dead Horse it’s already stinkin
I beg to differ. That horse has been processed and is currently in my grandson’s Elmer’s glue bottle.
Grant, thank you very much. You just made my day, and the rest of the week. Heck, maybe even the season, since it is turning into a dumpster fire.
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Kaep would definitely would be superior to CJB. Instead of letting CJB get sacked 7 times and hit 11 more times, Kaep, with his mobility, could avoid the pass rush better than CJB.
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Kaep, behind this present line, could actually have time to throw, and the WRs have the speed Kaep likes. Kittle is a huge upgrade from Stone Hands, and Brieda could provide enough run threat to make the Niners unpredictable. This defense is way better than the 2016 defense, with Bellore not only jumping out of run lane, he would at times, block his own players.
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Kaep, despite his detractors, is a SB QB who has set playoff rushing records. He owns an impressive 4-2 road playoff record, and his game against the Packers and Falcons were not only good, they were great. KS should ask his buddy Matt Ryan if he thinks that Kaep is a worthy opponent.
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Of course, maybe KS is not competent enough to take Kaep, and win games with him. Maybe KS would force Kaep to only sit in the pocket. That would be like putting an Abrams tank in a pit. Forcing Kaep to memorize the playbook before starting will delay his impact, and is too intractable and shortsighted.
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I remember Bowman leaving the Niners, signing with the Raiders, and playing the next game with the green dot, calling signals. Kaep could start right away, with the pistol and read option giving him flexibility.
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Kaep,as a free agent, would not cost a draft pick. Considering Amari Cooper got a first round pick, other teams would be asking for the moon for QBs like RGIII and Bridgewater.
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Kaep would not threaten JG. It would be for only one year, but if Kaep played well, he could parlay that into a starting gig on another team the next season. Even now, the Jags are grumbling about Bortles. Buffalo are buffoons for thinking Derek Anderson could win games. Kaep would be a huge upgrade for both of those teams.
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I sure am glad that KS mentioned that he would be doing everything in his power to improve the team. JL should also keep his word, and at least perform due diligence by letting Kaep try out.
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Of course, the collusion and blackballing is making Jed sit on his hands. It would be an act of bravery for Jed to buck irrational negative hate, and let Kaep play……..again.
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Thanks again, Grant. I know you are trolling me, but I do not care. Kaep is superior to CJB, Mullens and Savage. To all who think otherwise, I will just say that your hate has clouded your opinion. Posters who like the present QBs are just fans of tanking.
A storm is coming! Brick by brick!
I hate stupidity and for the record; I’m a fan of developing depth on a team in year 2 of a massive overhaul and not “tanking”. Please do not make it personal just because I disagree with your assessments. Kap isn’t a good quarterback, and he’s too old to depend on his biceps, skinny legs and rocket arm. He’s also been in the hair salon and award ceremonies for the last 2 years, while our players have been on the front lines….
Razor, you are entitled to your opinion, and have you ever seen me take it personal against you?
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We will just have to agree to disagree.
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Kaep is garnering awards, but he will be the first to tell you that he would rather be playing.
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Kaep is sitting on the side lines because of the collusion and blackballing. You have to admit, Kaep is ten times better than Derek Anderson. Kaep is rated better than half the present starters, and almost all the backups.
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Kaep is only 30. He is in the prime of his life. Too old? That sounds desperate.
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Thankfully, Eric Reid is being allowed to play. He is still kneeling, and the sun rises every morning. I see the Nike swoosh on the uniforms, and do not see any players burning their uniform on the field.
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The protests become a big deal when the pushback makes it a big deal. Respecting the right to protest is as American as apple pie.
Not during work, Seb! Do that in my place during work, and I’ll fire you.
Only a whacked out Lib would think that you have a right to pick up a paycheck while doing other things–that your girlfriend ordered you to do………..
Saw, his job is playing football. His protest occurred before the game. He is exercising his first amendment right to peacefully protest. Infringing on that right is unAmerican.
But Kaep wasn’t working for you, was he? His employer had no problem with his actions. Are you saying the government must regulate aspects of employer employee relationships? How “conservative” of you.
But Kaep wasn’t working for you, was he? His employer had no problem with his actions. Are you saying there must be regulations between employer employee relations? How “conservative “ of you?
Rib, you can say that again! ;p
Site was acting wierd. My first post went into ether. It seemed. Maybe it’s not the site that’s wierd, just this particular post of Grants.
Ribs-
I openly admit, with respect to his employers I simply dont have the ability to read minds-clearly, you do. See? Ya got me there!
Govt regulate between ……….who? Now you KNOW your not supposed to put words in other peoples mouths……….
“Conservative”…..? Oh, a little dig at my expense! How clever of you! And yet, by your standards, JFK would be considered very conservative.
But you always have to interject your politics into this sports blogue, dont you? Oh yes, you do…………….always.
I thought you Libs were overflowing with Love and Tolerance? And yet, I don’t sense any of that-any at all-coming from your remarks.
In the very same subthread. Fish, could you please make your hypocrisy just a little less blatant? Kthanks
When you tell me my “hate” has clouded my opinion; that’s making it personal. If you remember way back when I said, “If Kap can’t beat out Gabbert, he should retire”. Hate has nothing to do with it….
Razor, just admit it. You hate Kaep with a passion. You want him to never play again. If this blackballing is not hate, it certainly is not good sportsmanship and tolerance of different opinions.
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Kaep did not beat out Gabbert, because Baalke sat Kaep and would not let him compete. Gabbert won by default. Kaep eventually did beat out Gabbert, and started the rest of the season.
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I did not call you names or hurl insults, but am just stating a reality. Maybe my remark hit too close to home.
Nope, in fact I’d love for a team to allow Kap back on the field. Everyone loves a good train wreck. Let Kap Play!
Hey, Sebber; Are you going to call Celek a hater too?
“If you want to be the guy, then you’ve got to act like the guy,” tight end Garrett Celek said, referencing Kaepernick.
Thank you, Razor. While we may be diametrically opposed on many fronts, I still like you and appreciate your contributions to this site.
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I always wondered if players were affected by Kaep’s protests. Devey and Pears acting like turnstiles. All those dropped passes…..
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‘You’ve got to act like that guy’. Like how Kaep willed his team to victory over the Rams? Kaep going for the 2 point play and making it to win by one point? Kaep acted like ‘that guy’ when he stormed into the SB after only 10 games.
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Celek needs to be ‘that guy’, who does not commit false start penalties and drops the ball.
Sebber, we agree to disagree. No one was a bigger supporter of Kaepernick until Gabbert beat him out. As for our relationship, I’d still love to visit and burn one on your veranda with you….
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Look me up if you are in my neck of the woods. I am in the phone book.
Sebber, if I do get out your way I will visit. First stop will be Brotha to share a bottle of wine, then I will stop by your place, and on my way home, I will visit Undercenter and Little Joe….
Hey Seb/Paul, Ill be in SF for the Raider game. Ill be sure to look you up!
Never. I have no plans to support that mausoleum.
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I miss the ‘Stick.
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There are a lot of SB QB’s who aren’t worthy of carrying Montana’s jock. They were carried by a great defense. Your insanity is that you know all this, but you continue to see what you want to see-and completely disregard the rest. ’68 is not coming back! Your a nut!!!!!!!!!!!
Saw, did you know that Kaep and Joe share a Super Bowl record? They both threw for over 300 yards and ran for over 50 yards in a Super Bowl.
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I see just fine, and my judgement is not clouded with hate, like yours is.
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I just want the Niners to win, and i think Kaep would give them the best chance to win. I also think that CJB is pulling a Gabbert, and is benching himself.
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How long does it take to learn this O?
Did Kap go thru training camp?
How effective was he his last 3 yrs? (Dont blame others on the team!).
His great reluctance to learn QB mechanics-his words? Or did i put words into his mouth?
Kap=Montana? No comment.
You would have me believe he’s in football shape?
That stat you site above??? a snapshot, Seb-not a trend.
Montana made everyone around him better-Kap was too interested in posing for GQ
Just because CJ stinks does not mean that Kap is great. If he pulls a Gabbert, so be it. He was never intended to be anything more than the back-up. If he proves us wrong, so much the better.
This thing about hate with you………..because someone intellectually disagrees………..right off the Berzerkly Campus…………maybe the head shops of Haight-Ashbury…………sounds like Jane Fonda.
Saw, there have been many examples of QBs coming to a team and starting right away.
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I do blame the Niner defense for letting third string RBs gallop for 200 yards. Even Joe could not win with that defense.
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His reluctance to learn QB mechanics? I heard all off season that he was training hard to improve his mechanics, and studied with Warner to become a better QB.
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Kaep took a team to the SB after only 10 games, and was one pass from returning.
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Glad you finally admit that CJB stinks. He is a turnover machine, while Kaep had a 16-4 TD to interception ratio.
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Hate? The only hate I see is against Kaep for having the audacity to protest against racial injustices.
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Your practicing your “selective outrage” again! People aren’t angry with Kap because he’s against racism-which is absolutely a sin against our Creator………..thats not news.
Lets not play games–you remember all the other things he said when he was on his soap-box……….I recall YOU once gently reprimanded him for that on this blog.
Something to think about-a bunch of like-minded people tried to get into Canada, because they were mad about this, that and some other thing in this country. They were basically miserable people and, not looking at their own thoughts and freely chosen behavior, they decided it was the fault of American civilization-they themselves had nothing to do with their lot in life……..
Anyway, Canada said, like your well known actor-friend “HASTA LA VISTA, BABY”.
Instead of cursing the darkness, why wont Kap light a candle——that ALL will be drawn to??????
And, of course, his comments said why…..
Is Dallas in a better position to evaluate Prescott with Cooper being added to Mr. Beasley and Gallop? I think Beathard’s evaluation with a more complete team is worth the trials and tribulations as they build this roster and players get healthy. That’s pretty much what Shanny is talking about when referencing the big picture, and he’s got 4 more years to paint it….
Forget Beathard.
How do you forget a $2 dollar steak?
Drew Brees has yet to throw an INT. Yikes!
Forget Beathard, Savage START Mullens.
^Shanny, if you’re listening.
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Hey Razor how can change my avatar?
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So there is an echo!
If it could help, I would say All In. But it would never work on all levels, including the field of play.
Is this it? the 9ers best option is Kaep?
Thank you G that I do not have the sunk cost of a season ticket on my personal or professional balance sheet. Thank You, Thank you, thank you….
One point I would like to differ with Grant on is that Kaepernick is a better runner than Beathard. Kaepernick is probably a better runner. Kaepernick is now 30 years old and has been out of football for over a year. And while I doubt he’s gotten badly out of shape. I wouldn’t expect him to be in the same shape as he was 5 years ago when he was a scrambling terror and had the league on high alert. Beathard isn’t a statue. In fact he is mobile. Remember in the preaseason in 2016 that Beathard ran for a 60+ yard TD? I’m not saying I’d expect that kind of mobile play from Beathard but I’m saying is that Beathard is mobile.
The primary point I’m going to make about this is that I believe Shanhan has coached Beathard’s lack of mobility into him. As I’ve stated in earlier posts: Shanahan wants pocket passers. Shanahan wants Beathard to stay in the pocket and to take a hit if he has to. Of course he wants him to make quicker decisions and get rid of the ball faster too . But he wants Beathard to stay in the pocket and not run away.
KS forced CJB to be only a pocket passer, and he was sacked 7 times and hit 11 times. Genius.
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Your hatred of KS is palpable. And those who’ve been frequenting this blog for a few yrs know why…………..that being said, the 9ers O-line, in all, is doing pretty good. CJ is learning his trade before our very eyes. He has much to learn, clearly. But he IS on a learning curve………….this season should be looked at with most of these players in that light………..
Why has Foster’s play dropped off? Learning curve? Who knows…………. We’ll know a whole lot more at the end of the season.
If it continues like this next yr, I will certainly let you feed me with crow………..
I’d say we should consider trading for Carr, but if we brought him in right now…… will the O line and run game pick up so he doesn’t get squashed?
I’m starting a movement to bring back Shaun Hill.
Kidding.
I’m intrigued by the PR aspects of bringing back Kap. Progressive Bay Area making a statement, etc. I don’t know if I’m sold on the other aspects of the idea. Is he in football shape? How quickly could he actually pick up the basics of the system? It took Jimmy G. a few weeks. Kap’s final season wasn’t all that spectacular if I remember right, would he actually serve to evaluate the skill positions?
It’s an interesting idea from a sales and marketing perspective for sure.
Grant, your foray into comedy is actually not that bad. Kaepernick? I take it you weren’t on the sideline when he hit the ball boy? Or possibly not watching when he was benched for Blaine Gabbert..??? Or his excellent 1-10 record as a starter his final year?
https://mobile.twitter.com/betterrivals
“I love this new defensive line alignment from Saleh. Play Buckner at 1T and Solomon Thomas at his more natural 3T. Both players defeat their blocks on the outside run.”
“Solomon Thomas played 15 snaps along the interior vs the Rams. That’s BY FAR his highest number of snaps along the interior this year. The result? Oh, just his second highest overall PFF grade of the year (77.3), and 3 stops — easily his highest total on the season.”
“Another play with Solomon Thomas at 3T and DeFo at 1T. Another successful play. 3rd down stop forces a Rams FG”
That’s the write up we should have gotten, instead we get Elmer’s glue.
It’s where Thomas should have been playing from the beginning. He’s not and never has been and Edge player. They have wasted a lot of time and energy trying to make him one due to their lack of options. Hopefully they keep this alignment moving forward.
Kaep would totally destroy his brand by playing again, The sacrifice everything bit has no meaning if he plays again. He’s in the martyr business now, It plays much better on Twitter. Thanks Grant for your effort to liven up a dismal season. I think you might have at least one re-hire Harbaugh piece in you as well.
The Niners aren’t going anywhere this year so what’s the point of replacing a backup with a backup who’s unfamiliar with the scheme and pocket passing… Kaep’s a one read and go QB. Once defenses figured out his weaknesses he never was able to adapt — heck, the ‘great’ Harbaugh was even powerless to help him. That combined with the media circus does not make sense for a team focused on building for the future that Kaep’s not apart of…
Hell, while we’re at it why not bring in Timmy Tebow right Grant?? Lol………
https://49ers.pressdemocrat.com/why-they-49ers-should-get-tebow/
Beathard also is a one-read quarterback. Kaepernick is better.
Better to the extent it’s worth it? I don’t think so. They both have had their time and have to this point proven to be what they are – average/below-average backup QBs who like to turn the ball over. Replacing junk with recycled junk is still junk but hey, some people like junk….
The numbers say Kaepernick is an average starter in the NFL.
Just like your NUmbers Grant say that you lack the intelligence to be a news journalist to come up with fake dribble like this. SHame on you for such a disrespectful article on the kneel down CON ARTIST! I hope the 49ers get the 1st pick. I hope they get a QB! Jimmy G is BACKUP material.
Both had their time? How many live fire snaps has Beathard had? How many has Kaepernick had?
Forget Kaepernick.
How do you forget a one trick pony?
Grant, you sir, are very astute, and very brave to postulate such a controversial topic.
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I agree, Kaep is better than CJB.
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I rooted for CJB to succeed, but he is pulling a Gabbert, and benching himself. He is a turnover machine, and is getting bludgeoned.
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Do not know why the other posters are so afraid of Kaep. They should be thirsting for him to return to play, so Kaep could prove to them that he is what they say he is. They are so afraid that he will return and play well, they support blackballing him. They are so deathly afraid that Kaep would return, and take the league by storm, again, they want to permanently ban him, and never give him a chance.
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I just want the Niners to win, and I think Kaep gives the Niners their best chance to succeed. However, Kaep’s best landing spot may be on the Jags. Some are now thinking that if they had signed Kaep and benched Bortles, they may have won a SB. Now, Bortles is pulling a Gabbert, and benching himself. Kessler is not the answer. Kaep would be their best option if they want to return to the playoffs. Do not even get me started about Buffalo. Derek Anderson. Lmfao.
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KS needs to improve his assessment skills. KS was all in on Hoyer. Hoyer failed miserably. KS is all in on CJB. CJB is giving away games. Now, KS is touting Savage, which to me, is a cruel joke, and an insult to us long suffering Niner fans. I just want the Niners to sign the last Niner QB who has played in a SB. I want the last Niner QB to have beaten the Rams.
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Kaep, with this present O line and Goodwin, Kittle and Breida, should do well. Kaep, with this improved defense, has a good chance to win. With CJB, Mullens and Savage, the Niners are tanking for the first pick.
Shower mate #2 has now entered the building folks!
Prime, a storm is coming…. AGAIN.
Yeah a storm is coming, brick by brick!
Haha!!
Sebs, your the greatest!! If I ever meet you in ‘Pol, I will absolutely shake your hand……. and offer YOU a 7&7! I’m buyin!!!!!!!!!!!
I want the Niners to win as well, but not at the expense of getting this team ready for the future. The success on this team does not rely on how they play this season, but in how they use this season for the next seasons benefit. This does not mean selling out for a few wins. They basically have to stick with a QB who knows the system . Perhaps soon Mullins might learn enough so that they give him a shot. It is too late to bring in an outsider.
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Kap’s worst season under Harbaugh put him middle of the pack in QB numbers. His final season with Harbaugh in a year ruined by injuries and Jed York’s back biting, produced a 60.5 completion percentage, 19-10 TD to int. ratio and an 8-8 record. That would be a major step up from what we are seeing right now. I’m not saying Kap would step in and play like that and there is no way it’s ever going to happen anyway, but the memories of what really happened during Kap’s time here are pretty hazy it seems. He had one terrible year with Tomsula and Geep Chryst in which he got injured and benched. The rest of the time he was the starter he was a middle of the pack or better QB.
NO WAY! You do that, Grant, I guarantee you that YOU WILL DRIVE AWAY ANY REMAINING fans of the stadium. THe 49ers need seats filled and signing Kap is a VERY, VERY bad idea, and your old Man Lowell needs to crack you on the side of your head for writing such fake news garbage. LEt me give you a real story, Grant: Tell JEd York to sell the team. Tell Jed York to get a real coach. Tell Jed York he’s not wanted. Tell Jed’s family they are not wanted. Tell JEd to petition the NFL to give them a real owner. Tell NFL to build something in SAN FRANCISCO for the 49ers, get rid of the eye sore in Santa Clara that people were FLEECED into paying. Grant, 49ers should TANK, I don’t care what Kyle calls 1 and 6, TANK The season, draft a QB! Stop drinking on the job, Grant!
Darren5000— If it drove you away, i am sure most Niner fans would take almost any result as an acceptable trade off. Hey if signing Ryan Leaf, Vince Young or even Jemarcus Russel would get you off this site it would be worth it.
In more relevant news, McKinnon ditches the crutches and is entering the rigorous rehab facility.
If kap wasn’t krap then kap would be back and that’s a fact.
Nope. The collusion and blackballing is very real, and that’s a fact.
Seb you profess to read history? What is Branch Ricky famous for? Why did he do what he did? He wanted to win regardless how the rest of his peers felt about what he was doing. The will to win drives motivation to find whatever it takes to accomplish that feat. If they thought kap could win they would do whatever it took to get him on their team. Unfortunately his political prowess has nothing to do with it. I wish he was blackballed I feel he deserves it but really its a case of kap is krap and that’s all there is to that.
Nice one, Dave!
The blackballing is so strong, they will not even bring him in for a tryout. JL is not performing his due diligence, and is turtling.
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I hope Kaep wins his case, and voids the CBA.
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Many teams would rather lose without Kaep, than win with Kaep. Look at Buffalo.
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WHY WONT YOU TROT OUT KAPS STATS FOR HIS LAST 3 YEARS???????????????????
That way, we can make an educated analysis of his trending play! You want that, dont you?
Yes! Kaep is being blackballed, but not for what he has done, but for what he might intend to do. Teams are justifiable concerned. Who wants that potential distraction sitting on you bench or on the field. His talent does not justify the trade off.
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I have to disagree. It’s pretty obvious he’s been black balled when you consider the past success he had and the QB’s in the league who are not even half as talented. There are numerous places he could be a backup and even competing for a starting role. Nashville comes immediately to mind with the system they have in place for Mariota. As was pointed out above, he’s also played well in a WC oriented offense at times under Harbaugh. He was very good with play action especially.
The only reason he doesn’t have a job is because teams don’t want to deal with the back lash that would ensue if they signed him.
“The only reason he doesn’t have a job is because teams don’t want to deal with the back lash that would ensue if they signed him”
AND the other reason is , teams would have to develop an entire new playbook and scheme to meet his limited skill set.
Everyone wants to talk about how the black balling is real. Well then lets be sure to include the reality that most teams don’t want to start from scratch with Kaepernick because of what he can and cannot do.
There are more than a few teams that are running offenses he would fit into Prime. As has already been stated, most of the passing concepts in the league are the same and Kap ran elements of the WC offense under Harbaugh in regards to progression and play action. I have no idea whether Kap can still play or even wants to, but the player who was in the league from 2011-2016 could be playing for a number of teams right now.
I agree with that but lest not put this out of work thing all on “black balling” alone.
Kaepernick struggled the last couple years in the league with some very fundamental concepts that teams exploited. One of those things were his mechanics. From there, it didn’t help that he publicly came out and said he didn’t feel working on his mechanics was necessary. I think that led to a lot of people questioning his work ethic.
He did struggle big time under Tomsula. The following year he was coming back from the injuries and was really playing his way back into form. It wasn’t a great season by any means but he played well enough that he should have had a job somewhere moving forward.
Rocket– Prime has been biased for a variety of reasons against Kaep from the start. I always thought he got a raw deal from the fans. Yet I think that teams are more worried about what Kaep might do rather than what he has done. They could handle the kneeling. I just don’t think that it will end at that. The people behind him will get him to constantly crank it up.
People use sports as an escape from normal life stress, they do not want it carried into that arena. People are perfectly justified in that attitude.
Rocket he left the Niners of his own free will, granted the Niners were going to release him he should of waited. He had options during time, Broncos and Hawks. He turned them down of his own free will. He wanted top money no one wanted to give him top money and I don’t blame them based solely on his ability. He walked away from three potential jobs, that’s on him. If he had signed with the Broncos he would be starting right now that’s also on him. There is an illusion of black balling but its not there. Walk away from one job and turn down two others I don’t see it.
Just think if he had signed with the Broncos and if he turned is career around he would be reaping big benefits. If he was good he would be starting right now for the Broncos, he choose a different route, its all on him. Personally and based solely on his ability I think he would of been a huge disappointment.
“He had options during time, Broncos and Hawks.”
This is wrong. The Broncos wanted I trade for him prior to the 2016 season. He played for the 49ers that year instead.
The Seahawks didn’t offer him anything, in fact they cancelled a scheduled visit.
You dislike the protests but at least try to get the facts accurate.
Jack the protest is another subject, I have completely left it out. Its based it on what I believed to be true. He had an opportunity to play for the Broncos, did not John Elway say that? It was about money is why he wasn’t? That’s not true? Why was it cancelled in Seattle? was that because CK wanted to have starter money and was not negotiable. If you want me to talk protest I surly can do that, I would rather not. I have the ability to separate and not use personal judgement, not sure that you do. I love it when people think for me, protest, smh…geez
“He had an opportunity to play for the Broncos, did not John Elway say that? It was about money is why he wasn’t?”
Yes the Broncos wanted him to take a pay cut. Instead he stayed with the 49ers, got his entire salary and started 11 games once fully healthy.
After the kneeling started the Broncos never inquired again. That’s the part that Elway conveniently leaves out.
“Why was it cancelled in Seattle?”
Because he wouldn’t agree to not kneel when they inquired. That’s when the workout was cancelled.
Not thinking for you at all. Look up the facts. None of which it seems you have.
Jack when you suggest because of my dislike of the protest is my motive then you are ‘thinking’ for me.
I didn’t hear/read anything about kneeling in Seattle, why would that be? Seattle might be more liberal then California and that’s saying a lot. Did Seattle come out and say this Jack? See below for response to Denver via Rocket :)
https://www.usatoday.com/story/sports/nfl/seahawks/2018/04/12/colin-kaepernick-seattle-seahawks-protest-national-anthem/511389002/
Yeah, go ahead and read rockets response while you’re at it.
He was able to make more money by staying in SF and starting.
If you don’t think the reason he’s not on a roster has more to do with things outside of football you’re not paying attention.
UC,
As Jack pointed out you have some of the facts mixed up. He hasn’t received an offer from anybody since the protests happened.
He didn’t want to go to the Broncos because he would have made half of what he would have with the Niners. That’s not unreasonable and that is what every other player in his position would have done.
“He didn’t want to go to the Broncos because he would have made half of what he would have with the Niners.”
There you go job offer, he was offered what they thought what he was worth, CK felt he was worth more, I get it business decision. Sometimes taking less gets you more, he didn’t have enough faith in his ability to take the gamble, not unreasonable I suppose but he isn’t playing football and I truly believe its because he isn’t talented enough to play. He wants starter money that’s on him, they don’t want to pay starter money that’s on them. Its called business. If he had taken that Bronco job and excelled like some think he can then he would be making bank. I think his days as a starter are gone because of his ability.
“He wants starter money”
There have been multiple reports to the contrary
UC,
He wound up playing for the Niners that year and making more money. How is choosing to go to the Broncos and making half the money a better option in that scenario? He was willing to take a cut to go to Denver, but the offer they made was barely more than backup money. If you are guaranteed to make almost double staying where you are then you do it. That’s not even debateable.
Rocket if he played good ball for the Broncos how much money do you think he would be making now? Currently how much is he making? Kap knew that his tenure with the Niners is over he had a job offer he didn’t take it. I personally think he made the right decision as I see him failing in Denver and out of football anyhow. Kap was a shell of his former self. Kap sucks as a player that’s my opinion of him as a player and what I think of him as a man is irrelevant to the conversation just to keep that clear. I will express this again, if any team thought that Kap could take them to the SB and win he would be playing football right now protest or not. No doubt in my mind about that.
The reason he doesn’t have a job is for a variety of reasons. Different teams have different reasons for no signing him. The Niners have their reasons and it has nothing to do with his protest. Seattle also had their reasons ( did not want to feed team discontent with Wilson ). Some teams I am sure it is because of fear of fan backlash. Some it might be the owner doesn’t approve of Kaeps protest. I do not believe it is a concerted black ball agreement by all the teams. Each team is allowed to have their own reasons. They are just not allowed to orchestrate a black ball.
ridiculous article.this is why i infrequently read this site.The man hasn’t played in at least 2 years and he is going to step in and start?How is the rest of the team going to feel about this? must say though over 2 hundred clicks and counting good clickbait
Maybe the rest of the team wants to win. Kaep played for the Niners, and he was the last Niner QB to lead them to the SB.
so did joe and steve but they are not coming back either
First 49ers QB to lose in a SB, that’s his legacy
It’s a stain on our record that we’ll never be able to get out, no matter how many Tide Pods we use.
At least he got there. That is something no Niner QB has done since SY. Kaep was also one pass from returning. He helped make the Niners relevant again.
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I would much prefer that over tanking for the first pick.
“At least he got there.”
No points for second place!
I do not blame Kaep for losing that game. I blame the refs and the coaches more.
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7 yards away from victory, and Roman calls a play for LMJ, instead of Frank Gore.. JH called a Time Out just before Kaep strolls into the end zone. The refs swallowed their whistles while Miller is bear hugged.
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Kaep came storming back, but fell 5 yards short of glory. I will not fault him for failing. There were many others who failed that game.
Sebber, if you want to take credit for storming, you must also take credit for failing.
My bad,
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I should have said- Kaep is not SOLELY to blame for the loss, like some others do.
Seb— I don’t know if you were posting at that time ( perhaps under a different name) but there was a time period when Kaep was blamed for players coming into training camp out of shape. He was blamed for Grabs not finishing routes. He was being blamed for the poor locker room attitude in 2014 when it turned out it was Baalke , York and Tomsula undercutting and sabotaging Harbaugh. All common sense tended to leave people in respect to their attitude about Kaep.
Sebber, winners take it all and there’s no time for losers.
His team had the lead in Seattle but he undid their hard work by committing 3 turnovers.
He is better than Beathard but not much. And what’s the point if he won’t make the team a contender. He will change the offense and then hand the ball to Jimmy next year? Kaep should be in Jacksonville.
Is Kap more accurate than Bortles?
Maybe, maybe not. He’s not as turnover prone imo and more mobile for certain.
With their defense and offensive style he could be a good fit. The problem is he’s not a political fit for that area or owner from my understanding.
Most of that hard work was done by Kaep. He carried them in that game. The only turnover that was entirely his fault was that short pass that was intercepted. The strip fumble was from his back from the right while he was rolling out to his left. Davis totally whiffed his block. The rusher came in unblocked. No defender should have been able to get behind him under those circumstances.
As to the interception on their last play. It was not really that bad a pass. it could and should have been a six inches higher and it would have been a score. You guys just criticize him for anything less than perfection. If Sherman does not make a good recovery the pass is even good enough as it was thrown. If the Lb is not exactly in the right spot it just becomes a defensed pass. Sherman was not in any position to intercept it. It was just a good play and luck by the lb being in position to get the tip that resulted in the interception. It was not either a bad pass or bad play , it just had a bad outcome.
Your remark about the teams hard work totally discounts that Kaep carried the team offensively during that game.
This is one of the dumbest things I’ve read when it comes to the guy or a few others.
I agree, this article is dumb but it’s putting clicks on the table.
lol. You said it.
The Niners lost because their defense was terrible during that SB run. The only reason they were there was because of the offense and Kap in particular.
And he lost. But it was somebody else’s fault.
I’m gonna go ahead and push in all my chips on the 49ers winning the next 3 games with Beathard.
Hmmm, I will have what you are smokin’. ;p
Sebber, I did my first triple cross. Gorilla Glue x Bruce Banner #3 x Cinderella 99. Harvested on the 21st and still drying. I will call it, 99 Banner’s of Glue on the wall….
Yum. ;p
All three of the next games are winnable. The only one that has the best chance of being a loss is against the Giants. OBJ and Shepard could cause issues for the inconsistent secondary.
Sherman on OBJr has intrigue for me.
Same, but only if Sherman is able to play. It is possible that his calf injury could be a chronic issue going forward.
The good thing is he isn’t in a walking boot anymore. Maybe Grant could actually report on players that are on the team, so we could be better informed on these matters….
I honestly am not sure he will ever suit up for the niners. He’s small and almost assuredly will have lost speed and more importantly lateral mobility.
With the size of his contract they will give him a look in camp, but don’t be surprised if they reach an injury settlement.
Shoup, are you talking about McKinnon or Sherman?
Uh, who are you talking about Shoup?
McKinnon. Sorry for the confusion.
It is very possible that they could win the next three, especially since it will hurt them in the draft. They Niners have not had much luck lately. So anything that turns out well for them might actually end up hurting them later. They should never have built that stadium on that Native American burial ground. Nor should the Jed have insulted that very Ugly woman with the warts who was dressed all in black.
Pretty much no point to this article except as clickbait material.
Agreed.
Good article Grant.
I’m not sure the 49ers would win anymore games with Kap, but I do know I would be more interested in watching. What they are doing right now is unwatchable, even for a hard core fan.
It’s good you speak for yourself.
Why is that? I enjoy seeing Jed York look stupid and Kyle looking stupid…0-9, Jimmy G saves his job, Jimmy G falls on his money, Kyle is 1 and 6, should be 0 and 7 if the BS NFL refs made the call right and Detroit had that opp. to score and win. I keep hoping for every losing season this team gets, for every week they have a 1/2 filled stadium, Jed York is going to SELL THE TEAM> People like Grant COhn need to put the pipe down and say JED YORK, FIRE YOUR COACH< SELL THE TEAM! I enjoy seeing the team look pathetic until Jed York SELLS THE TEAM! It's time for an uprise people. WE want something else!
YORK IS NOT GOING TO SELL THE TEAM, no matter how many clueless idiots all cap about it. It is a cash cow. A finance windfall, $150m + per year. Only the dumbest deplorable does not recognize that.
Don’t do it Rib. This is the lowest of the low and any response is feeding it.
Yea…@rib please don’t feed into it….stay strong?
Rib – listen to Rocket and oneniner
I didn’t know you wrote satire Grant ? auditioning for theonion.com?
THe PRess Democrat needs to fire him and put Lowell COhn back up there. The father is wiser then the son and he knows what he’s saying about the team. While Grant can say with accuracy the team is garbage, his solutions lack: while we agree to fire Kyle, Jed York has no balls to do it for he’s a dipstick. Grant needs to get on Jed and tell him to sell the team flat out. WE need to get a man that knows what he is doing with the football team: Jed, the father, the mother, they know nothing. THey’ve ruined our team. They moved our team. The location is garbage, adds another hour to those that live up north to see the team. THe food is pricey and bad. Sell the team Jed York and get a new beat writer, Press Democrat. Get out of the fake news BS you got going and start reporting accurate journalism!
In other news nationalists and terrorists have alot in common ?
I guess if you can’t lock her (them) up, blow her (them) up instead, right trump rally goers?
Ribs……..
Still not feelin the love and tolerance-think Niagara Falls-oveflowing with love…………
A little surprised, perhaps disappointed, the other side is not rolling over with a kick me sign afixed to their backside, eh Fish?
Aaron Burbridge back in the house -=>
https://ninerswire.usatoday.com/2018/10/23/49ers-practice-squad-aaron-burbridge/
This is simply ignorant comments from the both of you. Should those on the left, environmental terrorists, and the man who shot the Republican Senator all be considered one and the same?
No. The incitement for whatever passes for this (these) mad bomber (s) motivation comes directly from the top. If you don’t agree, you haven’t been paying attention.
So does that mean when a group of Democrats beat up someone for simply wearing a MAGA hat that the Democrats such as Holder are at fault for saying that when they are down, we should kick them in the head?
Sure. If Holder has been saying this same thing time after time, again and again, for months, no, years on end. But he hasn’t has he? And care to tell the board what political figure has? You can only claim “enemy of the people” long enough before some nut job starts taking you seriously.
Mid, you are going to have to seriously raise your whataboutism game.
Always trying to tell people how they must think………………..
Sorry Ribico, but the whataboutism card you thrive at pulling out is nothing more than a copout from you. The fact of the matter is that you and Oneniner grouped a terrorist or terrorists with Trump supporters. That is ignorance at its finest, and both of you know it. Grouping the actions of one person or persons to an entire group is an example of categorization. Such a practice is ridiculous and dangerous because it leads to false claims being placed on the group and enhances biased views of those around said group, such as what has happened with the Muslim populace due to the various terrorist attacks committed by radical Islamic terrorists.
The day it was revealed these bombs were sent, that very night Trump had his crowd of deplorables chanting lock her up. That very night
Grouping together? Maybe, they are making it easy to do.
It would be like after the Scalise shooting, a prominent democrat, Holder your example, led a crowd in chanting “no home runs for Steve!!!”. Or, using your other example there were Muslims cheering from the rooftops after 9/11 like Trump lyingly claims.
that very night Trump had his crowd of deplorables chanting lock her up.
Grouping together? Maybe, they are making it easy to do.
Thank you for showing further evidence of categorization and proving my overall point.
https://blogs.psychcentral.com/psychoanalysis-now/2018/06/the-danger-of-categorizing-people/
https://www.huffingtonpost.com/entry/stereotype_b_4934495
Sounds like the press would like to see him in Jacksonville. I can’t believe Derek Anderson is getting the nod in Buffalo.
Not sure CK is a good fit for Kyle’s offense.
https://bleacherreport.com/articles/2802074-bortles-out-kaepernick-in-jaguars-need-a-real-qb-to-save-once-promising-season
Hmmm. Maybe the Jags are wondering- If they had Kaep last season, could they have won a SB?
Grant, what you are not remembering is that , what you are not remembering is that Colin in his current form is a loser. The only reason he won any games with us was because of Alex Smith coaching him throughout each game and coach Jim Harbaugh and O.C. Greg Roman creating a lot of smoke and mirrors to hide Kaepernick’s many flaws. The league has since caught on. Kaep cannot win.
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