SANTA CLARA — Should the 49ers sign Seattle Seahawks free safety Earl Thomas?
Seems like a no-brainer. The 49ers use Seattle’s defensive scheme, need a free safety and Thomas is a future Hall of Famer who will be a free agent when the NFL’s league year starts on March 13.
Perfect fit, right?
Richard Sherman certainly thinks so. Sherman and Thomas played together on the Seahawks from 2011 to 2017 and were part of Seattle’s “Legion of Boom” — the nickname for the Seahawks’ great defensive backfield. Together, Sherman and Thomas won a Super Bowl in 2014.
“Would I love to play with Earl Thomas?” Sherman asked rhetorically at a Dec. 27 news conference. “I would love to. I would love to have him back in the locker room. But I’m sure he’ll have a plethora of opportunities, and I’m sure we’re going to throw our hat in the ring.”
Meaning the 49ers almost certainly will offer Thomas a contract this offseason, according to Sherman.
Thomas has had an all-time great career. In nine seasons, he has intercepted 28 passes and gone to six Pro Bowls. And when the Seahawks were dominant from 2012 to 2016, many football experts considered Thomas Seattle’s most valuable player on defense, the one who made their scheme work.
Seattle uses a “single-high safety,” meaning one deep safety in the middle of the field, not two. That one deep safety must cover lots of ground, and Thomas always could.
Despite that, doubts intrude themselves. Thomas will be 30 in May, and hasn’t played a full 16-game schedule since 2015. Thomas broke his left leg twice — once in 2016 and again in 2018 — and has missed 19 games combined the past three seasons.
The average NFL career lasts just 3.3 seasons. Once a player’s body starts to break down, his career typically doesn’t last much longer, especially if that player is 30.
Thomas’ body seems to be breaking down. He has major durability issues.
As do the 49ers. Since the new regime of John Lynch and Kyle Shanahan took over the organization in 2017, 41 players have spent time on in the 49ers’ injured reserve list.
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Thomas will be pursued heavily by SF. There are two major players for Earl. 1. Dallas 2. SF. Dallas was the favorite to sign him but they don’t have the cap space to afford him. Lawerence will break the bank. Pro Bowlers Jones at CB and Zeke both looking for contract extensions. Not to mention the owner coming out saying that they won’t be players in free agency. Uh I forgot about Dak getting an extension. ET will end up in SF with his boy Sherman book it.
If SF can get ET, Ziggy and AB for example, Niners are SB contenders. Let alone nailing this draft coming up. Niners barring injury could have a very nice team. Looking forward to this off season.
Agreed ..only problem with this theory is nailing a draft..This team has been a turnstile of high draft busts for a while and it’s caught up with them..We have to sign premier free agents because we can’t draft premier players…We need to start drafting our own Earl Thomas and less Solomans and Armstead…And untill Paraag is gone that’s not gonna happen
Does Paraag have anything to do with player selection in the Draft? That’s news to me.
JL praised Paraag for all the help, and he was designated to work the phones to stir up interest in any trades.
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Paraag was involved in the trade back of Trubisky-Thomas, and trade ups for Foster, CJB, Joe Williams and Pettis.
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Parrag, with his analytics, was definitely involved with the ACL pick Street.
Paraag also got schooled by BB over the trade of Trent Brown to the Patriots.
The player that doesn’t believe in studying tape?
Who is now playing in the SB? He is studying tape all the time. BB makes sure he does that.
“I feel like I don’t need to watch film,” he said. “I play my game and use the techniques my coaches teach me and be able to work on daily. And people have to come play Trent Brown.”
He makes a good point.
Yea, never mind it probably contributed to him allowing four QB hits, 2.5 run stuffs and a holding penalty to the Dolphins, or the fact his 12 hits allowed were the second-most of any tackle.
Context matters…
https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.nbcsports.com/bayarea/49ers/trent-brown-opens-about-why-trade-49ers-helped-me-out-lot%3famp
Context? He stated unequivocally that studying the tape isn’t something Trent Brown needs to do, because you know he’s so much better than the rest of the players that do!
Read the article Razor. He’s praised by his coaches, and the quote is framed in view of how people perceive him and how he prepares.
I don’t get this trashing of former players just so one can build up the current players.
I’m glad that TB found a place to be successful. I’m sorry we traded him and the terms of the deal. But life goes on. Wasn’t happy to see Iupati and others leave either. I appreciate their efforts here as this is a very punishing game.
Scarnecchia is the key. The NE OL as a whole has been great and while Brown has played well, he’s been outperformed by others on the OL. When you have a great OL Coach he can make some pretty average players – NE has a mixture of guys some having been drafted on day 3 – look pretty good. The other key is Brady getting the ball off quickly.
We’ll get a good idea of how much the Pats value Brown after the season.
“While Brown has played well, he’s been outperformed by others on the OL.”
There goes your credibity.
I read the article, but I don’t wax nostalgic on average former players like some on here do.
Rocket is absolutely correct. Scarnecchia is the best OL coach in the game, no matter how much Grant waxes nostalgic on Solari.
Razor, that may have been true, but now, he studies tape because Scarnecchia makes it standard practice.
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Every player has a different way of learning, and sometimes, it does not matter which is better, if you get good results. Last game, Brady was untouched. The run game ran left a lot, and it was very efficient and effective. Brown has helped keep Brady upright, and the end result is that Trent Brown was traded away for swapped picks, and he moved to the blind side, the most important line position. His contributions helped them get into the SB, and according to you, ready to stomp the Rams.
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Sure wish KS did not aid the best team in America to keep winning. That is counter productive, and self defeating. KS could have kept TB, and moved McGlinchey to RG. Or, at least they should have, according to what I remember, and opine with hindsight about the O line.
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Granted, JL, KS and Jed probably felt an obligation to return the favor, for BB dumping JG in their lap. Just a Machievelli move by the master, who has surpassed Walsh with his 9th SB.
Rocket, the fact that Brady gets the ball out so quickly makes Brown’s achievement of giving up 12 hits on him, second-most of any tackle, that much more alarming….
I’d also be concerned about 400 lbs. of joint health over the course of time, and how long they can hold up when contemplating making him one of the highest paid LT’s in the league.
Other than Brady, Brown has been the Patriots MVP this season.
Trent steadily improved as the season went on. He has now become what Von Miller said he could be. Funny what a great coach and organization can accomplish. It’s really the perfect example of the difference between the 49ers and Patriots.
Correct.
Other than Brady, I’d give that award to Gilmore. 91 PFF grade.
Trent Brown? 71
PFF grades are an epidemic. Stop using them.
Yea stop using ’em, because you know Gilmore really isn’t that good, and Trent Brown is fantastic. ?
Gilmore is good. Brown is better. And without Brown, the Patriots would not be in the Super Bowl.
None of us really have any credibility as we are posting opinions on a message board, but I do try to research before saying things and the top players on the NE OL are the Guards.
http://www.espn.com/blog/new-england-patriots/post/_/id/4816613/tom-brady-has-yet-to-get-sacked-this-postseason-calls-ol-coach-greatest-ever
They will likely let Brown go somewhere else because they have somebody waiting to step in and believe in Scarnecchia’s ability to make things work no matter who is on the roster.
Nothing you posted proves your point.
Gilmore is the Patriots eraser. Without him, they don’t get past the Chiefs.
If you say so. It’s more than you posted to prove yours which was nothing.
I’m a professional football analyst who is connected in the NFL and informed.
Trent Brown made Joey Bosa quit two weeks ago. Let’s see how the Patriots guards handle Aaron Donald.
I appreciate the banter with Rocket but I definitely noticed that the other day. He makes arguments using evidence that doesn’t support his argument. And then when you post unequivocal evidence supporting your point he will say, that doesn’t prove your point. It’s like he’s digging a tunnel from London to Paris but he ends up in Rotterdam so he renames Rotterdam as Paris. When people say, but wait this is Rotterdam – see the signs. He responds, no your wrong. Those signs don’t prove anything. Quite an interesting guy.
Lol. Your ego is getting out of control. Nobody is talking about Brown as the best OL on the Pats never mind the MVP behind Brady. I’ll also bet you right now that they let Brown walk after the season.
That’s exactly what I am. You actually think you’re the expert around here. Your ego is out of control.
Yea, because Tom Brady getting the ball out so quickly had absolutely nothing to do with it.??? Stop with the epidemy.
Please. I posted evidence that clearly refuted what you were trying to pass off and you came back with links that said nearly the exact the same thing I did.
Says the guy who believes the NFL is rigging games and has zero evidence to support it. I’ll be happy to keep that debate going if you want to, but you make yourself look a little crazy the more you try to prove it. I will admit I’m wrong when proven so Houston. You gave nothing to remotely prove your point in the game rigging or the St. Louis stadium issue.
I have never claimed to be an expert. I’m just a guy who has played, coached and watched the game for nearly 40 years and like talking about it with like minded people. I don’t go around making statements and supporting them with “because I said so.” Every opinion I have is based on watching games and reading the opinions of others who are smarter than I am. You have become an opinion writer who believes he has all the answers. It’s for others to decide who to ultimately believe.
I’m an NFL analyst, and I make a living based on my expertise. You don’t and never have.
You base your opinions on other writers. I base my opinions on conversations with NFL coaches and players. We are not the same.
@Rocket.
Don’t get me wrong. I actually enjoy the disagreement. If we didn’t disagree then what do we have to talk about, really. Anyway, you should open a moving company and do nothing but haul goalposts around the country. We weren’t arguing about rigging games. We were arguing about whether or not the NFL benefits more if the Rams are in the Superbowl or if the Saints are in the supebowl. The answer is plainly obvious. That’s beside the point. You disagree to disagree. Even when shown definitive proof that you are wrong you still disagree. You are the Rocket Contrarian and God Bless you for it. I think its awesome.
I don’t base my opinions on other writers. I use their expertise and opinions to back up what I see if I’m making a claim on here. As to how you make your living and your expertise, we all know why you got this job Grant. I’ll leave it at that.
You don’t know anything. Bill Pinella offered me the job and my dad advised me not to take it. I went against my dad. He pulled no strings. If I were a nepotism hire, I would have been fired long ago.
Grant, just out of curiosity, what was your pop’s reasoning behind his advice?
He thought the job would pigeon-hole me as a beat writer the rest of my life.
Houston,
The original discussion started based on your belief the refs would favor the Rams – which never happened – and then you began trying to create an argument about the league making more money if the Rams were in the SB to backup that theory which you have still yet to prove. The St. Louis stadium became another side disagreement in which you posted two links that showed why the proposal was flawed and somehow believe it supports your argument. You are trying to paint yourself as having made a reasonable claim when you did nothing of the sort. You are one of those people who says a lot of things and when called on them, try to paint the other person as the one making the false statements. Very Trumpian actually.
Or the fact that, despite being a rookie, Mike McGlinchey better understands the value of watching game film.
Yah, there’s that!
And McGlinchey outplayed Brown by a sizeable margin, according to PFF.
Oh yah, there’s also that!
And there is also the impression that Trent Brown simply isn’t motivated to be the best player he can be. We already knew he has a reputation of being a bit lazy when it comes to nutrition and conditioning. Now it appears he’s got better things to do than study game film.
Ah yes, there is that as well, LMAO!
Brown was way better than McGlinchey in 2018.
Your Dad was the reason anybody knew you. That was your link. You knew little about the game when you started. I give you credit for educating yourself over the years, but don’t pretend you didn’t have a clear path to the job because you did. This is getting way to personal and the discussion should be about football, but you opened yourself up to it by trying to paint yourself as some expert who got his job on merit and is above everybody else because of it. Time to check your ego.
I did get the job based on merit, just as I got my freelance gig with CSN based on merit in 2010. Jen Franklin was not a fan of my dad, but she hired me anyway at CSN. Based on my work there, I got hired at the PD.
The original discussion started based on your belief the refs would favor the Rams – which never happened
Uhhhh… yeah ok.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EIrGoy4CC5Q
Grant, understandable. Kinda like an actor.
Yep.
Grant I’ve said my piece, you’ve said yours. Going any further down this road will be destructive. I’ve always said we shouldn’t take this too serious and stick to football so let’s move on.
Fine, as long as you know the truth about me.
Houston,
It was a blown call. Get over it. They called 3 penalties on the Saints the entire game. There was no leaning to either team because the league doesn’t fix games.
Grant Cohn: “Brown was way better than McGlinchey in 2018”.
According to who? Just because you say so? Is that how it works?
PFF graded Mike McGlinchey’s 2018 season much better than Trent Brown’s. In fact, it wasn’t even close Grant. You can keep trying to discredit PFF all you want, but your losing this argument on grand, nationwide scale. Pro Football Focus may not be the be-all-to-end-all, when it comes to evaluating NFL players, but until you come up with a better formula Grant, one that stands up to public scrutiny and perception, your going to lose this argument 24/7/365!
Look, when it comes to evaluating players, I’m all for detailed analysis Grant. The more detailed the better, as far as I am concerned. By any combination of the 80-plus data points per play, 300-plus man hours per game or the 70,000-plus hours spent watching one season by its team of analysts, PFF’s Signature Statistics provide details on player performance that simply can’t be derived from traditional box-score statistics.
Do us all a favor Grant. Come up with a better system than PFF or Football Outsiders. Lord knows, you’d certainly garner a lot more national exposure and credibility if you did, not to mention the money (and the chicks of course).
I respect your opinion, but until you devise a better way of evaluating players, PFF & FO will always carry more weight when it comes to NFL player evaluation than your humble opinion!
Citing PFF grades is the best way to show people you don’t understand football.
Ok Rocket. You’re right. Careers are defined by winning or not winning a Superbowl. At the end of their careers will we be saying Alvin Kamara and Michael Thomas are the best duo to never reach a Superbowl? Payton and Brees were pretty good but they could only win one Superbowl. They had that chance robbed from them by NFL officials who’s names we will never remember. The officials make the call that everyone on the planet knows was the right call and the Saints are in the Superbowl. But you right. the officials played no part in determining who won that game.
« we all know why you got this job »
This is such a tired bull$h!t angle. At least try to come up with something original instead of regurgitating the same stuff as so many others.
One more thing Grant – If the Patriots fail to pony up the big bucks to re-sign Trent Brown, will that, in any way, alter your opinion of him, and/or the trade?
I suspect it would have to, right?
Holy smokes and you accuse me of moving the goal post? The officials blew a call that clearly affected the outcome of the game. That doesn’t mean the league was trying to influence things to one side over the other. Cleary the officials were not calling it in favor of the Rams before then. It was a major F*ck up and nobody is denying it. What is deniable is the idea that the game was setup to favor the Rams. Nothing supports that theory.
I’m sure Grant appreciates your support Uncle Jack but he’s going to be ok. We’ve moved on.
And you followed it up with another mindless regurgitation directed at me. You’re on fire today. Next you’ll use the Jack-Ass one.
And my comment wasn’t directed solely at you anyway.
Woke up a little sensitive today huh Jack?
Grant Cohn: Citing PFF grades is the best way to show people you don’t understand football.
Seriously Grant?
PFF Team Services | Pro Football Focus –
https://www.profootballfocus.com/team-services
PFF Team Services (Teams, Media, Agents) … PFF now works with all 32 NFL teams and a rapidly growing 43 FBS team
Grant Cohn: Citing PFF grades is the best way to show people you don’t understand football.
Bleacher Report:
https://bleacherreport.com/articles/2686481-br-cfb-150-top-25-offensive-linemen PFF
Grant Cohn: Citing PFF grades is the best way to show people you don’t understand football.
ESPN:
http://www.espn.com/nfl/insider/story/_/id/23835148/ranking-best-worst-rosters-all-32-nfl-teams-2018-pro-football-focus
Grant Cohn: Citing PFF grades is the best way to show people you don’t understand football.
Sports Illustrated:
https://www.si.com/2015/01/25/pro-football-focus-nfl-neil-hornsby-cris-collinsworth-analytics
PFF provides great analytical data, down/distance, personnel groupings, etc. That’s the stuff teams are going after. It helps with speeding up their process and is good for cross referencing.
Player grades isn’t what they’re after.
Grant Cohn: Citing PFF grades is the best way to show people you don’t understand football.
CBS Sports:
https://247sports.com/nfl/cleveland-browns/Board/105323/Contents/PFF-grades-coming-in-CBs-108000947/
So I guess all 32 NFL Teams, 40+ FBS College Football teams, along with ESPN, Bleacher Report, CBS Sports, Sports Illustrated, NFL Network, and every other major sports networks, websites, and magazines, are all doing a really good job of showing people they don’t understand the sport of American football, right Grant?
SMH!
@Rocket,
Never mention where Jack wakes up or you will be accused of having some very politically incorrect thoughts.
Rocket’s motto: Often wrong, always certain.
Yep. What would he do with his life if he didn’t pollute this site all day every day with his basic, uninformed opinions?
Come on Jack (and Grant), just stop already!
Whether you want to agree with them or not, it doesn’t change the fact that Pro Football Focus is a highly respected and highly regarded website and organization which, unlike you, provides customized data to all 32 NFL teams, over 40 NCAA FBS teams, 4 CFL teams, as well as national/regional media (i.e. Washington Post, The Athletic, ESPN) and sports agencies/agents. PFF covers every player on every play of every game at the NFL and major college football level. Such in-depth coverage of the game of football has developed and built the most comprehensive analysis of the sport in terms of player and team performance.
YOU CAN’T WIN THIS ARGUMENT BECAUSE IT DEFIES LOGIC! Bottom line …. you don’t become the leader of the world when it comes to comprehensive analysis of the sport of American Football, in terms of player and team performance, by providing bogus analysis …. PERIOD!
END OF STORY!
When you use all caps and bold face, no one reads.
You do when you’re the only one providing it.
Speaking of getting by with bogus data, have you listened to the POTUS much the last couple years?
Please Hammer, don’t hurt him!! Hahaha.
As I said the last time you used this lame burn: feel free to provide proof of this. I’d love to see it.
I’ve made mistakes, but I’ve never been wrong.?
I’m 49 and semi retired. What’s your excuse?
That’s why your opinions are so basic and uninformed? Good to know.
I’m 31 and this is my job.
Yes, I have listened to POTUS over the last couple years, and this supports my point. Sure, sometimes it takes American’s a little longer than you would think it should to catch on, but eventually people catch up with the facts. When you pedal bogus information like he does, 24/7, eventually you lose all credibility with everyone except your most diehard supporters who are frankly in denial, and refuse to believe what they don’t want to believe.
Unlike our reality-TV-man-child masquerading as POTUS, Pro Football Focus has only gained in credibility, influence, and membership over the years. PFF actually launched in 2007, but remained relatively obscure for a number of years. It wasn’t until the 2011 season in which PFF began to provide it’s ADVANCED STATS and customized data to NFL teams, agents, and the media. Like I said, nowadays PFF provides customized data to all 32 NFL teams, 38 NCAA FBS teams, 4 CFL teams, national/regional media, and sports agencies/agents.
During this time, PFF has also refined their grading system. They combine their unparalleled amount of supporting data, with an astonishing amount of detailed context, making their grading system more detailed than anything else on the market, including Football Outsiders. Of course it goes without saying that, like anything else, when it comes to grading an individual performance, there is always going to be a certain level of subjectivity due to human nature, as well as the unavoidable margin of error. However, that hardly changes the fact that PFF’s grading system holds up very well against anything else out there today, and that’s primarily because of their unmatched amount of resources, as well as their reputation for transparency. In fact, it’s reasonable to assume that their grades, subjective as they may be, almost certainly hold more value than raw statistics, or opinions based on raw data, not supported by their level of context.
I get a kick out of Grant calling out PFF’s credibility when Grant is always using Passer Rating to support his QB analysis, and everyone knows that Passer Rating, which exists without context, is one of the most misleading grading systems in all of professional sports! Grant also uses raw statistics to support his arguments, more than anything else, and anyone with a brain knows that raw data, without context, has very little actual value when it comes to professional scouts.
I skimmed your comment. Scouts place no value in PFF grades.
https://www.yahoo.com/sports/education-trent-brown-scarnecchia-patriots-175544250.html
You seem fixated on how I can be on here all day every day (which isn’t the case but I digress) as you’ve made that comment before so I was letting you know why. My opinions are based on common sense and knowledge of a game I’ve loved for many years. Yours are based on youthful arrogance and smugness. I don’t buy the theory some have floated about you making statements for clicks. I just don’t think you know any better.
Your job is to come in here and argue with people on a message board? I wasn’t aware of that. Good to know.
My opinions are based on conversations with people in the NFL. Your opinions are based on conversations with yourself. Then you pollute the internet with your drivel and spend most of your life on this blog when you’re not sleeping.
Really? You should try and find new people then because the current group is making you look bad based on how wrong you are most of the time.
Lol. Spoken like somebody who’s feelings are hurt. Suck it up Grant.
I’m right most of the time, which is why I get to do this for a living. You’re often wrong but always certain, which is why you have polluted this site daily for more than a decade for no pay.
Grant: I skimmed your comment. Scouts place no value in PFF grades.
That’s a bit of a misleading statement Grant, and here’s why:
NFL scouts have their own systems, and do there own due diligence to add context to each and every play they evaluate. That’s what they get paid to do Grant, whether it’s in person, or scouring through every bit of game film so that they can understand the context in which the data presents itself. While these scouts, by and large, use the same kind of rules when it comes to evaluating players and prospects, each individual scout and evaluator puts their own little spin on the way in which they apply the data, and each teams executives have their own little ways of doing what PFF does.
THAT’S A FAR CRY FROM PRETENDING THAT SCOUTS DON’T USE PFF’s GRADES BECAUSE THEY ARE BOGUS AND HOLD NO VALUE!
In fact, every NFL scout worth their weight will tell you that PFF grades, while they might not be perfect, are far superior than raw data like passing yards per attempt, completion %, yards per game, etc, applied without available context, and they will certainly tell you that PFF’s methods for grading QB’s is far better than the antiquated, outdated Passer Ratings which you seem to hold in esteem.
And I’ve just presented to evidence that every major player in NFL journalism references PFF’s grades nowadays, and they don’t do this because they think PFF’s grades are a joke, or useless information.
Google it yourself Grant.
So arrogance, smugness and now a complete lack of self awareness and delusion. Seek help.
Way to be original. I don’t need to be paid to talk about football. That’s the difference between us. You didn’t have much interest or knowledge until you were given this job. I have loved and lived football most of my life which is why I enjoy being here talking about it.
If I were wrong as often as you are, I would have gotten fired long ago. Literally no one wants to hear your thoughts on football, but you still have inflicted them on this board every day all day for more than a decade. What a sad life.
You are wrong more often than I am and you haven’t been fired because you aren’t paid to be right. You are paid to write and post articles and to get people to respond to them on a message board. Good work.
Not yet 50 and don’t work unless I want to. Such a sad life you’re right. I couldn’t have achieved that writing a blog for the Santa Rosa Press Democrat though, so I guess it’s good I didn’t do this for a living after all.
Rocket, you’re wrong all the time. I’m paid for my expertise. You’re not. You failed at football. Now you’re here condescending to people every day, spending more than a decade fighting for the last word with everyone. What a bitter person.
What’s funny is Grant and Jack used to cite PFF grades back in the day.
Yep. Now nothing else matters if it doesn’t match their views. I have to admit I get a kick out of Grant believing he’s an expert though.
My editors think I’m an expert. That’s why I’m employed. No one thinks you’re an expert. That’s why you impose your nonsense on people and constantly fight for the last word. You’ve been on a 13-year crusade for the last word.
I use a Vpn and you just crossed the line.
Sure. I googled your name and found no record of you coaching. Are we sure you’re not one of Prime Time’s personas?
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What’s funny is Grant and Jack used to cite PFF grades back in the day. »
I sure did, back about 5-6 years ago. Did a little digging and stopped. It’s a flawed process.
“It’s a flawed process.”
As any NFL coach will tell you.
Wow you have totally lost it this time Grant. Looking up IP address’ and then searching for people’s personal info? That can’t be something the PD condones does it? I was enjoying the smack but you took it way too far.
You’re a fraud.
Man I really got in your head this time. What a shame. I was having some fun and thought you were too. Wow.
I had a blast discovering what a fraud you are.
Unreal.
Rocket and 49reasons are clueless and way off. Your doing fine Grant.
Grant,
I do not give a tinkers dam about you and Rockets disagreement but when you wrote that you discovered his real name and Googled him, you crossed a line. It was totally unprofessional and sounded a little like a veiled threat (as in I know where you live) My unsolicited advice to you is take three steps back and breathe. you sounded very much like our esteemed President. imho
I don’t know where he lives and I’m not threatening him. He took personal shots at me while hiding behind his anonymity. So I learned about him and discovered he misrepresents himself. I’ll leave it at that.
Old Coach – I don’t know how old you are (I’m 72) but when I was 49 like Rocket, if you spoke of someone with personal attacks on them like he and others do, they would not only look you up but they would find you and one or the other would end up in the hospital. The personal attacks that spew out of some posters mouths (fingers) are way out of line and it is one of the most disgusting and inappropriate uses of the internet in my opinion. You going to say something about me that is personal, you better be prepared to say it to my face. That’s the terms we lived by. Every aspect of our lives is now polluted by this anonymous machine that only serves to alienate most of us. The 49ers have played horribly. Rocket wants to read up and cite his preferred narrative that makes excuses. He reminds me of what Adlai Stevension liked to say to his opponents: “And these gentlemen are the conclusions on which I base my facts.” He wants me to tell him every time his facts are wrong when it’s his conclusions that are the problem. To that I say, every letter answers itself in two weeks.
@seby
So then you’re saying Paraag has absolutely nothing to do with player evaluation and selection. Good to know.
Paraag, with his ANALytics, was intimately involved in every player assessment. He was the parameters guy, the numbers guy.
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What Paraag is useless for, is the gut instincts, that John Lynch has as a former QB, former safety, former Pro bowler, former SB winner. Future Hall of Famer. John Lynch accepts Paraag’s input, but Parrag should have no say in the final decision. That is John Lynch’s call, and that is what he was hired for. That is part of his job description, and is essential in the task of building for the future.
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JL thanked Paraag for all his help, but that just cemented the knowledge that Paraag was just an underling, helping the boss.
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That did not mean that JL did not listen to other’s input. JL had Joe Williams off his draft board, but let KS convince him that JW was Carlos Hyde’s replacement. I think KS was swayed by Paraag’s numbers which ignored red flags. KS also whiffed on CJB, so maybe he should let JL do his job. I hope KS admits his mistakes and realizes his limitations.
I hope JL focuses better, and channels Bill Walsh, so he can recreate another ’86 Draft.
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I do think Paraag did affect the selection process, by all the trade ups he concocted. In hindsight, they were desperation moves that favored the other party, and did not greatly benefit the Niners. The Niners should have been patient, waited, saved their picks, and still have gotten the player anyways. They never should have risked drafting Foster. Joe Williams was not on many other’s draft boards, so he could have been selected in the 6th round. Pettis may have lasted, because 2 good WRs were picked, just after where Washington picked.
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I really hope they let Martin Mayhew and Adam Peters man the phones, so Paraag does not let the Niners be taken advantage of. Mayhew is a former GM, and Peters is well respected around the league.
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I just WISH Paraag has absolutely nothing to do with player evaluation and selection. I hope Paraag and Jed can take Grant, his fiance, TK and Joan in Accounting to the French Laundry for a nice meal, during the draft. I also hope Jed does not stiff Grant for the bill.
Do you hear yourself talk when you type?
Just my opinion, and am glad others have ripped Paraag.
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Bet Grant would love to have a meal on Jed’s dime. Jed owes TK anyways.
Sebs…….
All this hindsight stuff……………….we can agree that New Orleans is a pretty well run outfit, right? I did not say they were perfect, so pls dont go there………………They had made the decision to draft Foster, until the 9ers swooped in and took him! He was a worthy gamble, and the brain trust of the Saints thought so, too.
You never have and you never will have a bunch of choir boys all over the NFL, so forget about it.
I will go WAY out on a limb, here………..JL knows a bit more than the Mighty Quinn about football talent………..
Paraag Marathe served as team president in 2014 and ’15 before becoming chief strategy officer and executive vice president of football operations. He has managed the team’s major business decisions – football and non-football related.
He is now President of 49ers Enterprises, while also retaining his role as executive vice president of football operations. He’s the 49ers’ chief contract negotiator and manages the organization’s salary cap. In his expanded role, Marathe oversees the 49ers’ outside business ventures, advisory efforts, and major investment opportunities.
Saw, when I advocated that the Niners avoid the red flagged players, I meant players like Foster.
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He disappeared like a puff of smoke, with drugs, guns and DV. He hit the trifecta.
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Do not invoke the Saints, because they are smart enough to not let the DV gf stay at the team hotel. The Saints also pulled a fast one on the Niners. They gave up a 2018 second round pick, for a Niner third round pick, but ended up just moving back 15 spots. They then used that pick to draft Alvin Kamara. He has only run for 1611 yards since being drafted. Kamara has scored 31 touchdowns in 2 years, and has yet to fumble away the ball. To top it off, Kamara has caught 162 balls in 205 targets, for 1535 yards at a 9.5 yard average.
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The Niners should have kept their third round pick and selected Kamara, then they could have avoided trading up to draft Joe Williams. Insead of JW, with the selections the Colts took, the Niners could have drafted Marlon Mack, who last year ran for 908 yards, 4.7 yards per carry, and 9 TDs. They also could have drafted Anthony Walker Jr, who had 105 tackles, with an interception, fumble recovery, and sack.
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So JL may know more about talent than you, but I would have avoided drafting Foster, CJB and Joe Williams.
49, Paraag also convinced Dr York to ignore the advice of Bill Walsh and John McVay, and utilize ANALytics instead.
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The Niners have not won a SB since then.
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Paraag accompanied Jed on his humiliation tour, until JL saved the day, so Paraag is not too lucky, in my estimation.
Yea;No!
I think it will take more than an up and down pass rusher, a diva WR, and a twice injured safety to make this team SB contenders. It isn’t doubtful that they will be able to adequately address all this teams shortcomings.
No more old, injured declining players, please! No more investing in young injured players either. Lynch is continuing that bad tradition that has cost the Niners so much.
ET broke a bone. They put a steel rod in which substantially reduces refracture. He’ll provide the 49ers with time to identify a true single high safety. In the interim, he’ll be a rising tide that lifts our defensive boat….
Nasir Adderley is touted as being an Earl Thomas type player, but he might go in the first round.
Earl Thomas is 30 and may have lost a step due to the second broken leg in 2 years.
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If one could guarantee that ET would play like he did in 2014, then I think he would be a good signing. However, there are no guarantees, and many hurdles to overcome.
who we gonna get instead
Niners have Colbert and Tartt coming back from injury. there is also Tarvarius Moore and Marcell Harris.
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Even Richard Sherman could be an option to move back to safety from CB.
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Better free agents include Landon Collins, Lamarcus Joyner and Adrian Amos.
Earl, is definitely a scary signing.
Best case scenario you get 3 very good years out of him and he helps transition a young Safety into his role. Worst case scenario, he gets injured on opening day and its too late for the team to sign anyone as a replacement.
That contract has to have some big incentives for him and out clauses for SF, luckily Paraag is very good in regards to that.
Not a bad write-up, although I believe you are merely assuming that the 49ers are putting the blame solely on Ferguson and Wright for the injuries. While it may be true that they did fault Ferguson and Wright, it is also true that the team was in touch with the Warriors and other professional organizations about how to fix the issue of injuries.
https://www.nbcsports.com/bayarea/49ers/49ers-consulted-warriors-deciding-restructure-training-staff
In regards to Thomas, I think the 49ers have to take a chance on him because the players they have at the position are simply not working out, and Thomas is, even with his injury history, easily the best option on the market.
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I think it was Matt Barrows who stated that based on what he had heard, the staff didn’t blame them for injuries as they thought it was luck related. However, they were disappointed in the way the team was finishing games… and that they thought the energy level was dropping off too much late in games.
I would hope that the front office moves away from drafting players who have had past injuries , and stay away from OLD injured players.
The NFL is for young men.
As has been explored here, the current front office has picked players on the slight/light size, hence lots of injuries!
Brady plays with 6 or so personal body guards and at least a couple of refs with hair triggers in their flag hands. (Classic call, defender’s arm to the shoulder pads = personal foul on hit to Brady). I’ve made this point before, if Brady played in the Montana era, he would have been in the hospital more and he too would be out of the NFL before 40. Call me Homer if you want, but I believe it.
Whose protecting Larry Fitzgerald? T-Sizzle? Roethlisberger? Jason Peters? Andy Whitworth? Manning? Gates?
Peppers? Brees?
So you don’t think the league has changed with the current rules? Montana retired in 1994 because he was physically unable to continue. You think it was from high living? Come on man.
Oh for sure, but getting back to Hacksaw’s blanket statement about staying away from old injured players and it being a young man’s game; not every body or dna is created equal, not to mention the technology, medical procedures and nutritional science that has contributed to the extension of players careers….
Brady never played against some of the powerhouses that Joe played against. Salary cap prohibits such a team from being constructed.
If he had played during Joe’s time, he would be out of the game by now………..Brady’s great mobility and all.
Earl Thomas is from a small town near Houston. He has family in my area and I’ve met him 1 time very briefly through a friend. I was shocked at Thomas’s size. He’s very small for what you would expect in an NFL Safety, especially one that plays as physical as Thomas plays. I think he’s listed at about 5’10 or 5’11 but he looks closer to 5’8 to me. And he’s definitely fit but I wouldn’t call him bulky in the least. Point being, that Grant is right about injury concerns. Thomas might be worth a mid level contract but I wouldn’t break the bank for him. With his age and size I could see a precipitous dropoff in his play. Safety play has been a major issue for the 49ers. At the very least, Thomas could come in and show Marcel Harris how it’s done but only if it’s the right price. After what happened in Seattle last year the man is looking to maximize his income. With the new tax laws in place San Francisco would have to overpay by a dramatic amount to offset the amount in tax savings a player can realize in non-income tax states. CA teams are at a clear disadvantage when it comes to high priced free agents similar to Thomas.
Corner needs to be Priority 1A ,1B and 1C.The Niners have devalued this position for eons now and have paid the price.
Witherspoon and Moore weren’t even on the Radar screen prior to their workouts ,yea 6’2 with great (timed speed) and the inability to flip their hips and mirror the games best .Its Corner or bust as far as I’m concerned.
Regarding Thomas it would be a risky signing. The team has to decide whether the up side out weighs the down. As to the rest of Grants post, I think it is one of the silliest posts of his that I have read in a long time. A player missing 1 game the previous season is meaningless and players who missed time the previous season and were then uninjured with the 49ers and then cut has nothing to do with health. I keep coming back to the question, does the turf at Levi and or the turf on the 49ers practice facility have anything to do with the injuries. It sure looked like it during the Bama Clemson game.
75 percent of the players the 49ers have signed who had missed a game due to injury the previous season have not worked out. The Niners can’t complain about injuries while continuing to invest in injury-prone players.
Where’s that analytics guy when you need him? Better check out them algorithms.
1 game missed= injury prone…….I think not. Jimmy Ward= injury prone oh hell yeah
Maybe not, but most of those players coming off injury haven’t worked out for this regime. The Niners need to focus on adding players who haven’t missed games recently. Doing the same thing over and over and expecting different results is insanity.
The difference between perseverance and obstinacy is that one comes from a strong will, and the other from a strong won’t.
Agreed,
One game missed is kind of a crazy litmus test. I would argue that if you get 14 games a season out of a non qb you’re getting solid value. Unfortunately that has not been the case for Thomas.
trent brown wasn’t better than mcglinchey. doesn’t fit our scheme. that’s why he didn’t work out
Old Coach I agree. It looked like the long spikes they wore to prevent slippage, had some players catch their spikes in the turf.
One thing I hope the Niners do, is when they search for a weight and strength coach and trainer, that they explore options with martial arts trainers. That way, the players can learn how to deliver blows, but also protect themselves from the harmful effects of blows.
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Martial arts trainers with their rigorous regimens, are superbly qualified to train players to be in tip top shape and be well balanced. I even think some Niner players have utilized martial arts training in their preparations to play football.
Maybe we should start importing NFL players from China. One of the few things we don’t currently import from them.
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It’s already being done…I would be extremely surprised to find that not some, but every player on the roster has or is taking martial arts classes…the improvement in Hand/Eye coordination is amazing….
I watched a training session with a Kung Fu (?) martial artist striking a wooden dummy with arm like pegs attached to it. It was used to toughen up their fore arms. Maybe that could help lessen the number of broken arms.
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I think Judo training could help the line men.
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Yes, I know many football players utilize martial arts training. I was just extending that to the strength and conditioning coaches and the trainers.
If the 49ers want a holistic approach where they teach players how to protect themselves from the harmful effects of blows maybe they should hire Tyreek Hill’s girlfriends as trainers.
So a lot of the same people who ripped Saleh and the defense throughout the year don’t want to add a player who could solve some of the problems? Thomas is not injury prone. He broke the same leg twice within 3 years after not having surgery the first time. I posted some articles here a few weeks ago detailing how this is not something that will hinder him or be a concern in the future. He had surgery to repair the bone and is no more likely to suffer a break than anyone else. He’s turning 30 this year and still has a few years of high caliber football left in him. They should go after him hard both for his playing ability and the affect he will have on the younger players at the position.
If they add Thomas and FA Edge rusher, this defense will look a lot better and even more so if they land one of the top pass rushers in the draft.
I certainly would welcome Thomas but not for an out of this world contract. If it is reasonable given his age and recent history, the team should pull the trigger.
I just don’t think he is the panacea for all our ills, anymore than I thought Sherman was. And I’m not saying you are stating such. I think people get ahead of themselves and over excited about a player or a few players and think this will propel the team to heights it hasn’t achieved yet.
Sour,
You’re right I’m not delusional and don’t expect one signing to propel us to greatness. What it will do is give us a pro bowl caliber talent at the most important position in the secondary in this type of defense. We will still need Edge rushers and more consistency at CB, but this is an opportunity to fill a major hole with a top talent and I see no downside to signing him as his presence alone is valuable to the team.
Then make him a coach and draft a free safety.
They’ll probably draft one regardless and Thomas is the perfect guy to learn from.
Then let him coach. Signing him to play would be a mistake.
I disagree and look forward to seeing how it works out if they sign him.
You like to repeat yourself.
So do you as your previous two posts clearly show.
I only have to repeat myself for you.
It is in my most inexpert analysis that the Niners need to fix one thing and they will make the playoffs. Unfortunately that one thing is an obstacle that has eluded the Niners for quite sometime and it applies to both sides of the ball – red zone. Fix it on both sides of the ball, Niners go to the playoffs.
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You have hit the proverbial nail on the head and part of that equation to success. RZ improvement both offensive and defensive would put this team on the cusp. Fixing TO (cough, cough, Pass Rush and DBs) would most assuredly put them in the playoffs and then anything can happen.
I wonder if in the SB this plays a role given the Rams rank 19th whereas the Patriots rank 12th in RZ TD’s.
so what if they sign him and pay him.we have a ton of cap money that should be spent trying to get better not saving it for a rainy day.
So a lot of the same people who used injuries to excuse everything about a dismal 2018 season want the 49ers to sign more old, injured players. Not surprised.
The amount of injuries sustained this year was an anomaly. Why is a broken bone with a steel rod concern you so much? So if Aaron Rodgers and his broken collar bone with steel plates holding it together all of a sudden were available, you’d be against signing him? It’s one thing to have an entire team of aging injury riddled players. It’s quite another to roll the dice on them with contract caveats as stop gaps until their position is filled by an up and comer….
This is a lazy argument. Just like the “defence not getting turnovers is an anomaly” one, actually.
Even the 49ers don’t agree with that lazy analysis.
Really? That’s not what the 49ers said, because they stated no one was to blame. Sounds to me like they’re adapting the Warriors approach by having a HC of training and molding the two departments together.
They also said it’s an issue they must address. Adding more injured players would make the issue worse.
Injuries happen in football and were the main reason the 9ers had a poor season. That will always be a part of the game. If you use fear of injury to determine who you sign you won’t have many to choose from. As has been pointed out, a number of the players you listed in this article were not injury prone. Sometimes players don’t work out for whatever reason, it doesn’t mean you strike anyone who has had an injury off your list. Thomas is the arguably the best player available on the open market and fills a huge need for this team. His injury has been dealt with and won’t be a long term problem according to people in the medical field who were asked to weigh in on it. That’s good enough for me.
Right, and when he gets hurt again next season, you’ll feign surprise and blame bad luck for the injuries once again.
I can just see it now, if his left leg breaks again:
In fact, that last line should be on the tombstones of every 49er fanatic who thinks that this team has shown enough so far for the regime to be deemed not a failure. “We’ll be good next year”… hue hue hue.
If he breaks the same leg, I’ll be the first to admit that I was wrong.
So what happens if he breaks his right leg? Or his right/left arm? It doesn’t count?
He’s old and small and his body is breaking down. Once the body starts to break down, thr player’s career usually doesn’t last much longer. There are exceptions, but this regime hasn’t found many.
He’s 30 and has no history of injuries other than the broken leg.
30 is old for a small safety. Once the injuries start, they usually pile up. The average NFL career is 3.3 years precisely because of the violence and injuries.
So you’re saying that the acquisition of Dick Charmin was a mistake? If I was you, I’d be much more concerned about a 30 year old corner coming off an achilles injury than a broken bone stabilized by a steel rod, but I’m not a professional football analyst who is connected in the NFL and informed….?
How did Sherman make the 49ers better?
How did he make them worse?
Answer my question.
Ha! You’re a lot of fun Grant. I have no animus against you or anyone on this blog no matter how heated it can get. I just want you and the rest of the fans on here to know that I appreciate the banter back and forth and would miss it if it were to ever cease to exist….
Same, Razor. We’ve gotta savor these moments. They won’t last forever.
While I agree that Grant went overboard on the examples he laid out, there is a question about the 49ers evaluations of injuries. This has been going on for some time (Foster, Willis, Lattimore, Bush, etc.)
What really was alarming to me was that the medical staff signed off on Foster and most of us took their analysis as expert, only to have serious challenges with that shoulder (other teams had misgivings about his health).
I expect that ET will make a full recovery but I’m not a 100% certain that the medical staff’s evaluation will be adequate. And that concerns me a bit.
I am not jumping up and down, insisting they sign former injured players.
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I am just thinking that the risks are out weighed by the possible rewards. Also, those risky players will be available, while many solid healthy FAs will eventually be retained by their teams.
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Ansah may benefit from a fresh start, and Thomas may reunite with Sherman. Thomas would also get the opportunity to play against Seattle twice a year, so he may take a discount to stoke his revenge.
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Some times, a team will benefit from grizzled veteran leadership. It is worth the risk, and way more preferable than saving the cap money for profits.
Free agent wish list:
Trey Flowers-DE
Adrian Amos-SS
Frank Clark-DE
Roger Saffold-G
Bryce Callahan-CB
Tre Boston-S
Pierre Desir-CB
Not saying I want all of them but anyone from this list would be a good pick. These are all plug-in starter upgrades over what is currently at their position. Signing any of these guys doesn’t mean their position wouldn’t still need to be addressed in the draft possibly still even in the first couple rounds. However they would provide insurance and buffer against missing out on a pick in the draft or a rookie needing a season or two to bloom. For example I’d sign Saffold and still daft Lindstrom in the second. Saffold is a great mentor for Lindstrom but is likely going to start missing some games and only play another couple seasons.
I don’t suspect most of the guys on this list are due a mega-contract either. Most will likely get signed during the first week or so but not first few days of free agency.
Other than Frank Clark, good list. I would add Tyrell Williams WR, too.
A mistake on my part. I meant to include him.
Good list. You really think Clark will hit the market?
Grant Cohn says:
January 31, 2019 at 11:32 am
Good list. You really think Clark will hit the market?
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Saffold is too old. Don’t you know the average lifespan of a NFL player is 3.3 years? ?
I would pass on Saffold and draft a guard.
What round and does he need to be able to play center and/or RT down the road?
Second or third.
What about versatility? Does he just need to play guard?
Versatility would be nice.
Grant Cohn says:
January 31, 2019 at 11:35 am
I would pass on Saffold and draft a guard.
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I’d sign Saffold and draft a guard.
If Clark hits the open market he’s going to get a big deal. Of the others you listed Saffold, Flowers and Boston are decent options, but I don’t think any of the CB’s fit the proto type the defense is looking for other than maybe Desir. Good list though.
I hope they sign Thomas, it will create great theatre. If he ends up balling out, great. If he ends up getting hurt again it will be fun to read the excuses.
You won’t get an excuse from me. Do you think the 49ers will sign him with availability clauses in his contract?
I don’t think they should sign the guy, availability clauses or not. If he is brought in and can’t go it causes a ripple affect across the roster and the last thing this organization needs is to take chances on injured guys.
Wasn’t my question. Your position has been made abundantly clear.
If he ends up getting hurt it’s part of football. Who can you sign that you know won’t get hurt? The Niners had a lot of injuries and key players were lost for the season, but that doesn’t mean you don’t sign somebody who has ever had an injury. That isn’t a realistic strategy in a game where players can be lost for the season based on the smallest of margins.
I’ll share what an NFL coach just emailed me:
“Studies show that as a player ages and passes his peak performance years and the body continues to break down as it deteriorates due to wear and tear, the incidence of injury increases.”
I get it and haven’t argued against that. I’m saying Thomas himself is not injury prone and I don’t see 30 as old in this age of players looking after themselves better. He has broken the same leg twice and that is likely due to the fact he didn’t get surgery the first time. There is nothing else to suggest he’s going to be injury prone moving forward. He’s going to be highly sought after for good reason. He is still an elite player at his position.
There is nothing else to suggest he’s going to be injury prone moving forward, other than his age and recent injury history
HA!
So Jack says don’t sign anybody 30 or over who has had an injury in the previous year. Got it.
That’s the exact approach this team should take. I’m with Jack.
« Jack says don’t sign anybody 30 or over who has had an injury in the previous year. »
Maybe you haven’t watched this team over the last couple years
I would expect nothing else.
I have and they’ve lost more guys in their 20’s to injuries than guys in their 30’s. There are more guys in their 20’s on the roster of course, but the fact is anybody can get hurt in this sport and basing who you sign on whether they have had an injury or not is going to cost you the opportunity at a number of good players who can help you.
The Seahawks have close to $41mil in cap space. Why didn’t they sign the guy up for 4 years at his asking price prior to last year?
They went younger when they lost some players to injury the year before with Sherman, Chancellor and Avril among others. Doesn’t really matter to me either way. I remember the same things being said about Sherman last season and that worked out ok.
The Niners have a need, a ton of money to the point any deal he signs won’t hurt their cap situation and he’s a pro bowl caliber player who has no history of injuries other than twice breaking the same leg after not getting surgery the first time he broke it. Every report I’ve read from Dr’s who have weighed in on the subject say he’s at no more risk than anybody else.
The Seahawks have the money and chose not to sign the guy. They have consistently been better than the 49ers and made the playoffs in their « rebuilding » year.
True and they are so much better the Niners beat them with a beat up roster and the 3rd string QB. How do you think Seattle would do without Wilson?
As far as Thomas goes, I’ll agree to disagree. He missed the offseason and TC and was still the best player in their secondary until he got hurt. He’s still on top of his game.
« True and they are so much better the Niners beat them with a beat up roster and the 3rd string QB. »
Yes they did, finally. Mullens isn’t far off from Garoppolo anyway. Never should have been the 3rd string QB.
« How do you think Seattle would do without Wilson? »
They’d probably be around 7-8 wins, maybe more if they’re running the ball as well as they did this year.
« As far as Thomas goes, I’ll agree to disagree. He missed the offseason and TC and was still the best player in their secondary until he got hurt. He’s still on top of his game. »
I’ve never said he wasn’t. Problem is he hasn’t been available for 19 games over the last 3 years.
It’s downright precious.
So under that reasoning we should have a pretty good chance of beating them with Garoppolo wouldn’t you say?
Ha, good one.
Sure and before this season he had missed 7 games in his entire career. We can slant numbers however we like. Bottom line is he played 14 games in 2017 coming off the same injury he suffered this year so there is nothing to suggest he won’t come back strong this time.
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You do realize that they won 7 games in each of Carroll’s first 2 seasons in Seattle before Wilson got there right?
You have your head so far up Shanahan’s rear. It’s quite impressive really.
So? What does that have to do with the team they have now? They won the division with 7 wins their first year. Says more about the state of the competition than the Seahawks in general doesn’t it? They won 9 games last year with a completely healthy team for most of the season. Do you think they win 7-8 if Wilson had gone down? No chance.
And yours is up Grants. I guess that makes us both sh*t heads.
« Do you think they win 7-8 if Wilson had gone down? No chance. »
The evidence states otherwise
Defenses could play the Seahawks a lot differently without Wilson. He has 6 game winning drives over the past two seasons. He is a big time difference maker for them and there would be a huge drop off if he went down.
Carroll has won fewer than 7 games once in his NFL HC career, his rookie season, and won 7 games in 2011 with Tarvaris Jackson. Somehow I think he’d find a way to win.
He’s the exact opposite of Kyle Shanahan.
Pete Carroll is a hell of a coach and I was a big fan when he was coaching at SC, but he’d struggle without Wilson with the way the team is constructed now. He makes everything on offense look a lot better than it is and they don’t have the dominant defense they once had.
Shanahan won 6 in his first year with a team that was arguably worse than the one Carroll took over in Seattle, so they are far from opposite. I know you believe Shanahan was a big reason for the poor season this year but nobody would have had success with what he had to deal with as far as injuries.
Uh huh, Right
So you think they should overpay for him? Whew.
They should pay him what he’s worth on the open market and they have more than enough cap room to handle his deal and not have it affect what they do in the future.
They will have to bid against teams in states that have no income taxes. So, they’ll have to overpay.
That’s going to be the case with any FA.
Right, so better to sign younger players without a recent history of injuries.
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They did that last year with the signing of Garoppolo and McKinnon. No guarantees. Football is a tough game.
Garoppolo separated his shoulder in 2016.
He had no injury the previous year. Are you adjusting your rule to include not signing players in their mid 20’s who have had an injury two years prior?
He had a injury the season before they traded for him, so he’s a poor example.
They signed him long term more than a year after the injury and it is a perfect example of why signing younger players doesn’t guarantee you anything as far as staying healthy. What’s your excuse for McKinnon?
McKinnon was a part time player in Minnesota who broke down as he prepared to carry a bigger work load in SF. Garoppolo has suffered two major injuries in 10 career starts.
McKinnon had barely gotten started when he blew out his knee and the fact he was a part time player should show you that it doesn’t matter how many snaps you’ve played that ultimately determines an injury. It can happen to anyone at anytime. That’s football.
Garoppolo is a young guy who had never had a major knee injury before. Again, anybody anytime. That’s football.
He was ramping up for an increased workload and his body broke down. Also injured his calf.
So what? He wasn’t old, didn’t come in with too much wear and tear and was lost for the season before it even started. Injuries happen to all ages and positions in this league. It’s unfortunate but that’s part of the game.
Yep. And the 49ers have said they need to find ways to reduce injuries, meaning they’re not simply random. Adding more players coming off injuries is asinine.
This was McKinnon’s first and only significant injury of his entire career if I’m not mistaken.
Shanahan said they were random. Finding ways to reduce injuries will be geared toward soft tissue injuries. Not much you can do about ACL’s. What’s asinine is believing you can avoid injuries by not signing players with recent ones.
Then Shanahan said, “But they also affected us huge. So, that’s something that we definitely have to look at from all angles and put a lot of time into.”
Then Lynch said, “There’s an old adage in football — your best ability is availability. We haven’t had a lot of guys available and that’s something we’re looking into hard.”
Thomas’ availability hasn’t been so good the past three seasons, because he’s aging and breaking down. Signing him would fly in the face of everything Lynch has said.
He played 14 games in 2017 coming off the same injury he suffered this season. As I said to Jack there is no reason to believe he won’t come back strong this coming season and he is at no more risk of breaking his leg than anyone else.
And then he broke down again real quick in 2018. The writing is on the wall for Thomas, which is why the Seahawks down want him. They’re a much better organization than the 49ers.
To be fair, the Seahawks have had continuity at the HC/GM level, a little luck, and miracle water.
No he broke the same leg he had previously. The rest of his body was fine and he was playing at a high level as he always has.
No argument they are the better organization but the writing isn’t on the wall for Thomas. He’s going to get a good deal from somebody and most likely help them win some games.
He lasted four games in 2018. Put a fork in him.
@Grant,
And in other news, water is wet.
“Water is wet.”
Rocket would disagree.
You’d know being the expert you are and all.
I can indeed confirm that water is wet.
Me too but I’m no expert like you so I had to make sure.
You got that right.
But, but, what about when it is in Minnesota during this freeze? Then, it is rock hard.
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Sebber, my snot froze before it could hit the ground.
Razor, that is why I will never leave California to live up north.
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Hope you hunkering down and staying warm. I expect plumbers are going to be very busy fixing burst pipes.
Technically, you could argue wetness is a sensation, and thus something cannot “be wet” by itself.
Any player that will help the red zone woes on BOTH sides of the ball, I am all in on. In my inexpert opinion if the Niners fix the red zone on defense and offense the team goes to the playoffs.
Red Zone is obviously important but I think the most important thing to fix is the turnover differential. The teams with the top 5 picks in the NFL Draft ranking on Turnover Differential:
Cards – 29 (-12)
49ers – 32 (-25)
Jets – 27 (-10)
Raiders – 26 (-7)
Bucs – 31 (-18)
Every team picking in the top 10 had more giveaways than takeaways except the Giants and Denver. The Rams and Patriots were ranked #4 and #5 respectively in turnover differential. If the 49ers fix the TO differential they will be well on their way to much better times.
Yep, that’s a big one too. While we’re at it let’s throw in reducing penalties. The 49ers gave up the 7th most yards through penalties this year.
It’s a no for me.
With the spat of drafting or signing FA players with prior or current injuries (rookie Street, LB M.Smith) the Org has to be weary of spending money on a player (even w/HOF credentials) like Thomas.
Thomas’ unrelenting style of play gives me pause. When we drafted Foster, I voiced my concern that because of his violent style he would spend a lot of time in the “tent” or IR. Fortunately for us, that is no longer our problem.
When t comes to Thomas, I would hate to see the Org spend a lot of money on a player that warrants a big payday based on reputation rather than his history of injuries – think we’ve been down this road before.
AES, is that a hard no or a soft no??
Razor,
(Ha) Good ol’ American Steel hard!
pay the man!
theres a handful of moves we need to make to be a major player next year……
give earl Thomas 13mil a year for 3 years…
go after landon Collins if the giants don’t tag him…..13 mil a year for 6 years… he can play SS and move over to FS if ET gets hurt/moves on….
draft Bosa or Allen with the 2nd pick…..solidify the pass rush…
go after cj mosely……if hes tagged……go after Ziggy! never too many pass rushers. we need 2 pass rushers and a starting LB……1 rusher will be drafted at #2…..then we need to sing one other guy (edge, LB) and draft the other…
trade for AB or sing the WR from the chargers! solve our #1 wr problem!
draft some O-line depth
49ers roll over $35 million in cap space for 2019
Big bucks once again. Now we wait and see how they’ll use it.
By David Fucillo@davidfucillo Jan 31, 2019, 12:53pm PST
The NFLPA announced salary cap rollover on Thursday, and the San Francisco 49ers will be rolling the third most money from 2018 into 2019. The 49ers rolled over 100 percent of their $35,031,573 in cap space. Only the Cleveland Browns ($56.5 million) and Indianapolis Colts ($49.1 million) rolled more money into the coming season.
https://www.ninersnation.com/2019/1/31/18205780/2019-nfl-salary-cap-rollover-49ers-cap-space
I understand the reticence in signing Thomas due to his injury history, I really do. But I would still make him a priority signing. Outside of the injuries his level of play hasn’t shown any sign of slipping. And with the rod being inserted in his leg that should help to strengthen it and reduce the likelihood of reinjury. Its the same thing Bryant Young had done, and I don’t recall him having recurrent leg injuries thereafter.
I hear you, but Thomas should go to a contender, not a rebuilding team that has had major injury issues two seasons in a row. Rebuilding teams should not be in the market for old, injured players.
Defensive linemen usually last longer than DBs.
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I am in agreement with both yourself and Grant… let’s develop our own… I feel that we’re getting close enough to where we could make some real ground in one year of drafts and UDFAs. ….This years draft is going to be bonus…
That’s what the Seahawks are doing.
OR,
Unless Earl Thomas changes his aggressive (sometimes high flying) tackling style, he will always be a high risk for another injury.
When we find our Edge that can consistently put pressure on the QB, our secondary will suddenly look better.
Getting to the opposing QB will give us 2-3 wins next year.
Thomas gives us a big question mark.
Oh I completely agree with you that Thomas should go to a contender Grant, though potentially for a different reason. $$ is the only reason Thomas would consider coming to the 49ers. But if I was him I would be taking my services to a team expected to be in contention for the SB next year.
In terms of whether the 49ers should be looking at Thomas as they are rebuilding, my thoughts are that Thomas is still good enough and young enough that he could stick around for 3-4 years if he doesn’t suffer any more serious injuries. Guys like Rod Woodson and Ed Reed showed a top end FS can play into their mid 30s at a high level. The 49ers will be hoping to be a contender in 2 years.
Some think Thomas may want to go to the Chiefs. He may replace Berry.
Bryant Young’s injury was worse than what Thomas had but same idea with the rod.
Exactly what I said, but now if he’s got a fork in him as Grant’s expertise has stated, what difference does it make if he goes to a contender or one trying to be?
I can understand a contender taking a chance. I can’t understand a rebuilding team investing in an old, injured player. That’s not how good organizations rebuild. Good organizations get rid of players like that during a rebuild.
Why not? You can’t fill every position on a rebuilding team, especially one that requires such a unique player. And speaking of forks, didn’t you say Gore’s legs had two forks in them?
I said he had no juice left in his legs, which is correct. He hasn’t been explosive for a long time.
No juice, forks, same thing to me. The team wasn’t rebuilding, yet they jettisoned him for an unproven, healthy back that’s about to wash out of the league before Frank does….
They drafted the wrong back.
You got that right, but if this regime has proven anything, it’s that you don’t need to draft a running back that high. All you need is a coach like Turner and a system like Big Shanny’s….
Until you cross midfield.
So is the system flawed, the coaching or the lack of respect for the quarterback?
Rinky-dink running backs work just fine in this system until you cross midfield. Then, this system needs more talented running backs.
Is McKinnon a rinky-dink running back?
He’s a hybrid receiver-running back. He’s not going to improve the 49ers’ running game in the low red zone.
Well, you’re the expert and I suppose we’ll find out if you’re right at some point this year. You weren’t right about Gore, and you were wrong again on Williams. Do you have another back in this draft that you’re particularly keen on that will solve the issues these backs have in the low red zone?
I like the kid from Pitt, Darrin Hall. He should be available in the late rounds or after the draft. I also like Jeff Wilson Jr.
Hall looked pretty damn good in the Shrine game, and I too have hope that Wilson can be an answer down there if he can learn to hold onto the football….
Agree on both points.
The Niners need to rebuild through the draft. Obtaining FAs is done when the team has a winning record, so decent FAs will want to come to the Niners. Until then, they get the marginal FAs, like Richberg and Person. Mckinnon is a hybrid RB/WR, and has yet to play a snap during the regular season. Goodwin cannot stay healthy. Attaochu was a whiff.
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Signing aged FAs with injury histories is done if a team is desperate, and needs to gamble. The Niners, being 4-12, is desperate. With a ton of cap space, the Niners should extend every keeper like Buckner, then spend every penny so the team can actually have a chance to win. Saving the cap space for profits is self defeating, and obtuse.
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This next draft is critical, and will decide whether the Niners have a winning or losing season. The best strategy is to emulate what the Colts did, and trade back with a QB needy team to stockpile picks. They went from 4-12, to the playoffs , the next season.
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The Niners should stop trading up. They must avoid the red flagged players. They must pass on the ACL players.
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JL needs to have some accountability. KS needs to stop insisting on moving up to draft busts. Paraag should be banished with Jed. JL should delegate responsibility to Mayhew, Adams and his scouts, so they can earn their paychecks. JL should determine their influence on future picks by assessing their past history. They should be running mocks with the apps so they are realistic.
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JL needs to put on his Trader Bill Hat, and channel another ’86 draft.
Would love to see Thomas in a 49ers uniform. Instant improvement. But at what contract price?
Signing older 3rd contract players seems like a win-now move for teams with playoff rosters.
I’m hoping the 49ers sign several solid 2nd contract role players. The more roster holes filled in free agency, the more draft trade or BPA flexibility.
B2W, good points. Are you ready for Valentines day? I imagine it’s your busiest time of the year.
Thanks. I often risk stating the obvious, but sometimes I just gotta. Recent Niner higher ticket free agent acquisitions haven’t really paid off.
Sorry for being slow on the uptake, but why would I be busy on Valentine’s day?
Not been busy at all recently. Just had my 4th right Achilles surgery since November 2017. Inactivity driving me nuts. My Commenting on a tablet from a hospital bed tends to be less detailed, more philosophical. Hoping I get some good draft prospect footage study in before April.
I thought you worked in the flower industry.
Razoreater Good memory!
I worked for a garden rose nursery (owners big 49ers fans). But not the types sold in flower shops. This time of year they sell lots of potted roses.
They also have 100s of rose bushes in their display gardens and perfume varieties. A nice place to take wife or girlfriend in the spring if you’re near Healdsburg.
Thanks! Yea, I visited Keukenhof Gardens in the spring one year in Amsterdam and spent the whole day there. Hope you heal up fast, and I’m looking forward to your mock draft….
All the commentary on this site is just a big waste of time. I just found out Grant is the professional and he has the sports worlds ear. The rest of us, especially if you aren’t doxable are just loud mouth nobodies. Agree with Grant or you’re a fraud. Awesome.
Interesting afternoon around here….. so uh….How much are the Patriots going to win by on Sunday?
At least 21.
Tolbert thinks the Rams will win. I do, too.
How bout you this Valentines day, Sebs?
With me…………..well, chicks dig me cuz I don’t wear any underwear–and when I do they’re brightly colored.
Whats your story?
Hey Girls…..
Way to fill up the comments section with utter nonsense and bickering.
What are friends for?
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I like spirited debate while Grant likes the clicks.
What made me laugh is Grant saying that the patriots wouldn’t have made the Super Bowl without Trent Brown now that’s idiotic to say knowing that this is the Patriots like 8 or 9th Super Bowl appearance. This is Trent Browns first year with the patriots.
Who would be their left tackle if not for Brown?
Patriots always find a way how did they get to the Super Bowl last year??
They had Nate Solder.
And how did that work out for the Giants??
How did it work out for the Pats? They lost the SB last year with Solder. They are back in the SB with Brown.
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There was a reason why BB did not retain Solder. The Giants found out why.
But was that Tom Brady’s fault I recall him throwing for over 500 yards? Nick Foles won the mvp for a reason Belichick made a big mistake benching there best CB. Trent Brown wouldn’t have helped last year either unless he could’ve played CB lol
Graham got that strip sack fumble, and Solder watched it bounce in front of him, right into the hands of Barnett. That play was the difference in the game.
Nope the patriots benching Malcom Butler was the difference that’s why Nick Foles torched there defense, last time I checked Graham didn’t get the mvp Nick Foles did. Tom threw a record 500 plus yards and still lost how is that even possible? It’s not like the patriots win every Super Bowl but they have won FIVE and it’s because of TOM BRADY not Trent Brown lol
Also the 49ers had Trent Brown for 3 years how did that work out for the 49ers?
The first year, Brown , Devey and Pears were an O line in flux. The second year, Baalke had finished dismantling a SB squad, and had Bellore as the MLB, so they allowed a historically bad amounts of rushing yards. The third year showed how having a decent QB will elevate the entire team.
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This year showed what good coaching can do with a much disparaged and maligned player who was finally utilized correctly. Brown shined, because he bought into the system.
He shined because that’s the Patriots way or you will get the boot. Bill Belichick doesn’t put up with much so how many coaches would bench there best CB in the Super Bowl? Teddy Brusci has said many times if you don’t buy into the system you’ll be history no matter who you are or how much you make he’s stated this numerous times on NFL LIVE.
Brown played about the same level that he did in SF.
Brown shined, even though he was moved to the most crucial position on the O line. Credit the good coaching, and the assessment skills of the FO.
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Eric Rowe had 4 tackles and 2 passes defended, so he did well as a replacement. Until the last 2 minutes of the game, the Pats were poised to win the game, even without Butler. Took a strip sack fumble to defeat the Pats.
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You forgot Tom Brady who gets the ball out quicker then any other QB in the nfl which you can’t confuse with slow processing INT throwing Eli Manning who hangs on to the football to long and loves taking sack and is probably on his way out of New York. So they didn’t need Butler the same guy who won the Super Bowl a couple of years ago with his game saving INT in the end zone against Russell Wilson and the Seahawks.
Bad. Brown is much better than Solder.
So if Trent Brown played with the Giants they also would be in the Super Bowl lol
Yikes. Logic isn’t your thing.
And facts ain’t yours you let your Niner hating ways cloud your judgement
So your saying Tom Brady needed Trent Brown to get to his 9th Super Bowl? Don’t make me laugh lol
Correct.
Lol I think this year was the best the Niners O-Line played since Harbaugh was here.
Really? The only team that gave up more QB hits than the 49ers was the Texans.
This really isn’t even close, but the 49ers spent their first round pick on the oline and then there’s PFF so fans aren’t paying attention to their eyes and reality
I love how so-called experts use PFF grades to inform all their opinions.
Yeah thanks to Beathard another Eli clone and I’m actually comparing it to the last 4 years which has been bad and that’s not saying much
All three quarterbacks took a ton of hits. I’m surprised Mullens didn’t get injured.
True but CJ Beathard was terrible and would almost welcome a sack
True.
Does Tom Brady ever take unnecessary sacks? The broadcaster’s are always raving about how fast he gets the ball out.
Brady does get the ball out quick, but Brown wasn’t giving up many sacks when he was blocking for Kaepernick, Gabbert, Hoyer, Beathard or Garoppolo either.
And your point is??
Without Tom Brady the patriots are not in the Super Bowl PERIOD! I understand the hate on Brady especially after surpassing Joe Montana for the GOAT
Trent Brown gave up the 2nd most hits on his quarterback of any OT in the league, and that’s with Brady getting the ball out quick. True story.
How many hits and sacks has he given up in the playoffs? He has raised his game and dominated talented rushers.
« Without Tom Brady the patriots are not in the Super Bowl PERIOD! »
Sweet. I think Brady is the absolute best of this era, no hate directed toward him at all.
Hope he gets #6 on Sunday
Grant, Trent Brown is playing as well as he can. He’s still inconsistent, and will always struggle against small, quick pass rushers, (ask Jerry Hughes). In the run game he’s still a waist bender, losing his balance and leverage making it too easy for defenders to get up underneath him. When asked to make those rhythm blocks he’s often a beat late, and locating moving targets. Once he does find them, he rarely finishes them with the power you’d expect for a guy his size. I seriously doubt Trent Brown cashes in with the Patriots, but maybe a pass happy team puts a bigger premium on him. I’d be extremely surprised if he gets a contract like the Giants gave Solder but we’ll see….
He just destroyed a small, quick pass rusher — Dee Ford. The Patriots run behind Brown successfully all the time.
He got Ford, but again struggled against Ngakoue. I get it that you have no concerns when it comes to Brown, but like I’ve pointed out; he’s not all that and a bag of Chips Ahoy cookies for mine….
*Once he leaves Scarnecchia you might not be so high on him.
Brown in 2018 was the same guy as Brown in 2017. The only difference was that in 2018 he played for a good organization
Ding ding ding!
Grants another Tom Brady hater lol It’s so hilarious seeing you trying to make some point about an ex 49ers player is the reason Tom Brady and the patriots are in the Super Bowl lmfao!!!
Grant are you one of those Raider fans still butt hurt about the tuck rule lol It sure does seem so, look I’m not a fan of the patriots I’m actually rooting for the Saints I mean the Rams to win because I’m tired of seeing the patriots every freaking year in the Super Bowl.
Hahahaha I promise I’m not a Raider fan. I grew up rooting for the Niners.
I don’t believe you hahahaha
I’ve seen you many times making a case that the Raiders are a better franchise then the 49ers the Raiders had Derek Carr all year and still ended up with the same record as the 49ers and Shanahan used 3 different QBs lol. The Raiders are a joke and so is Mark Davis paying Gruden a 100 million.
Newsflash: The 49ers are a joke, too. Jed York has no clue.
Not worse then the Raiders who are fixing to move out of the freaking state lol
https://www.eastbayexpress.com/oakland/raiders-global-brand-is-a-myth/Content?oid=24618453
Mark “Chilibowl Haircut “ Davis could’ve got Harbaugh for half of what he’s paying Gruden lol. Then the idiots trade Khalil Mack and Amari Cooper both pro bowl players what a joke of a franchise and before you bring up the 1st round picks there’s no Mack or Cooper in this years draft not even close lmao!!!
Brown in 2018 was the same guy as Brown in 2017. The only difference was that in 2018 he played for a good organization.
Not exactly. Trent Brown was inactive week 12, week 14 and subsequently placed on IR.
Obviously it was meant for when he was on the field
Obviously the mighty Trent Brown has hit his ceiling.
So Grant…
You’ve called out Jed. When are you planning to interview Denise? Go straight to the top and get the full story. You have the brass. No excuses.
Well he has been in the league for 4 years now, so we know what he is. Would have been the best tackle on the 49ers in 2018
He’s not worth more than $8 million a year, and then you’ve got to wonder how long those joints hold up supporting 400 lbs.
He’s easily worth 4 years, $40 mil with a signing bonus of $12-14 mil.
LOL
All that really needs to be said is that while the running game showed slight improvement this year over last, the pass protection saw a downturn and this netted out as basically a push.
So saying, « I think this year was the best the Niners O-Line played since Harbaugh was here. » is laughable. It wasn’t even better than the season before.
Really? I’m pretty sure I saw Hoyer and Beathard take beatings last season and I know there not good QBs but the o line was not good last season with those 2 QBs they seemed to get better when Garoppolo was in but that’s because he was making quick decisions and had a better pocket awareness then Hoyer/Beathard by miles. There’s a reason Bellichick didn’t want to trade Garoppolo because he saw some of the same traits that Brady has in Garoppolo.
In 2018 the 49ers gave up 48 sacks, compared to 43 the previous season. In 2018 the 49ers attempted 70 fewer passes.
2017 sack rate: 6.6%
2018 sack rate: 8.3%
If Shanahan had called the same number of passes this year as he did in 2017 they would have given up 54 sacks.
As for Garoppolo, yeah he was impressive in 2017, not so much in his 3 starts in 2018. In those 3 starts he was sacked on 12.7% of his dropbacks, and a lot of that was due to him holding onto the ball too long.
Tom Brady doesn’t get sacked much because he gets rid of the ball so quick pass rushers don’t have much time to get to him.
Roger the dodger Goodell, brought Kaep back into the news. He stated that teams would have signed him if they thought he could help their team.
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Meanwhile, Players like McCoy, Savage, Fitzpatrick, Hundley, Peterman, Barkley, Johnson and the Butt Fumbler were given starting jobs over Kaep.
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I will reiterate- Teams would rather lose without Kaep, than win with Kaep.
Sebs-
I cancelled an appointment with my proctologist, thinking I’d rather get a chuckle over your…………….musings.
I made a mistake.
Goodell shed some crocodile tears over the poor officiating. He stated that it was up to the owners to decide whether to expand replay and challenges.
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With technology, replays can be streamlined. Bob Fitzgerald even mentioned having a bank of monitors to aid in making the right and correct call. I wonder where he read of that idea before? ;p
It’s sad what happen to the Saints but bad calls happen all the time. What’s worse is if the Rams win the super bowl it will be tainted forever because of that no call in the NFCCG.
Patriots benefited from winning 3 straight challenges, and a Phantom roughing the passer call that extended the drive.
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Chiefs were robbed, so it is just the Cheater Bowl. With the Tuck rule, Spygate and Deflategate, the Pats are forever tainted, no matter how many SBs they win.
Like I said bad calls happen all the time but Tom Brady didn’t need a calls when he was dissecting that tired chiefs defense in overtime. The Rams would’ve lost if the refs made that PI call that everybody in the whole universe knew was PI and helmet to helmet so actually it was 2 penalties and the nfl confirmed it.
Chiefs had 55 sacks this season, but could not touch Brady. Guess the Pats were fortunate to have the refs in their back pocket. Dee Ford said that usually, a ref will warn if a player is off sides so he can get back on sides, but forgot to do that on that critical play.
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I want the Rams to win because I do not like cheaters.
The chiefs can have a 100 sacks it doesn’t matter in the playoffs it’s a different animal and again as I’ve had said Tom Brady releases the ball so fast he doesn’t give u much of a chance to sack him. I’m not a patriots fan but I’m not going to hate on there greatness . I’m also cheering for the Rams hopefully Donald and Sue can get then there we shall see.
I hope when the Pats O linemen grab the shoulder pads, the Rams D linemen hit them in the solar plexus. After a few of those hits, the Pats O line men will bring in their arms and stop holding. Then Donald and Suh will wreak havoc.
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Other than Brady, I just think the Rams have superior talent. Goff, being a Cal grad, should be able to rise to the challenge. Goff is accurate enough, and McVay is smart enough, to defeat the Patriots, if the refs do not influence the outcome of the game.
Seb I hope your right but it’s hard to go against Tom Brady he loves this moments and as far as calls the Rams benefitted from it otherwise they wouldn’t be in the Super Bowl
Cal grad……………………………..Oppenheimer was a Cal grad.
Unitas never graduated from Cal…..or Harvard. Folks who know what they’re talking about say he was pretty fair……
It was messed up how Grant was attacking rocket acting if he’s never wrong about anything I mean we all have opinions about our favorite teams whether we’re right or wrong but nobody is ever never wrong including you Grant how about your draft crush Joe Williams? How did that work out for the 49ers? Yes you have a good job covering the 49ers even tho you probably rather cover your favorite team the Las Vegas Raiders but that doesn’t make you above everybody else I mean heck if my dad owned the 49ers I probably be the GM/President of the team like Jerry Jones and Stephen Jones. Anybody can analyze a game or a season when it’s over if you have all this knowledge about how to run an nfl team and all these connections with nfl employees then why aren’t you a GM or even a scout at least John middlekauf was a scout that’s why I listen to him more. You and your dad used to criticize Harbaugh all the time when he was here but as soon as he got fired now all of the sudden he was this great coach and now he’s flopping at Michigan and yes I know the last time the Niners made the playoffs was when Harbaugh was here but the last time the Niners had a loaded roster was when Harbaugh was here too. You would think with all that knowledge you have about how to run an nfl team you’d have nfl teams knocking down your door.
Apparently not Grant. As he is the only “professional” with “real” league contacts around here, he doesn’t have opinions, he has truths. Woe to you if you are a fraud nobody challenging those truths.
I am the only professional with real league contacts around here. I’m not always right, but I’m right a lot.
Your usually wrong like your daddy
*You’re usually wrong.
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Couple of things.
– In regards to Earl Thomas, I have no problem with signing him, however the contract language would be critical. It would need to be front loaded and have plenty of outs. At this point the 49ers have worry about how good he will be and how if he can stay healthy. As such the team cannot put themselves in a position where they are dependent upon him down the road.
– Trent Brown is gone and McGlinchey turned out to be a good pick however that trade will be dependant on how good Tarvarius Moore turns out to be. That is what we got in exchange for Brown.
– This team desperately needs to stop overpaying for positions/players of lesser value ( Juice, McKinnon). If they are going to overpay they should do so at positions that have a greater impact on the game. As an OW did Juice really provide a ton of value? Did we really lose that much when McKinnon went down? I would argue the answer to both of those questions is no, and that the team could have had another quality corner or wr on the team had they not thrown their money away on lesser commodities. Their off-season approach has lead to the team having the same holes and questions entering year three as they did in year 1 for the most part.
Who are we talking about here? Grant, one guy does that and you call him a legend. Another does and you attack him as a fraud, going so far as to google him to prove your pathetic point. The former is your toadie, the latter challenges you. How obvious can you get. Better grow a thicker skin if you want to be anything other than what your Pops feared for you, just another backwater beat writer.
Seb is respectful to other posters. Rocket isn’t.
@Rib – to be fair I think Rocket had this coming.
I don’t think he is a fraud but definitely suffers from I-Can-Never-Be-Wrong Syndrome …
So does Grant
I’m wrong plenty often. You’ll never be right if you’re afraid to be wrong.
If loving you is wrong, I don’t wanna be right.?
I know that but do you really know that?
One, if you find someone suffering from that, it just means there are others who suffer from the exact same thing. If you are pissed that someone “gets the last word in” it just means you aren’t getting the last word in.
WRONG!!!!!!!!! He calls people “hatemonger” all day long and twice on Sunday if you disagree with him about his dogma. I happen to love it, get a huge kick out of it. Not everybody does.
Well, it is hate when some one is being unjustly persecuted for his right to silently, non violently protest for social justice. I am patiently waiting for justice to be done, and expect Kaep to win his lawsuit, which may void the CBA and make him even more of a hero.
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The Orange Glow thinks Kaep is an SOB, and is leading the charge to blackball him. Guess you think the Charlottesville rabble are good people, too. I think the KKK are hate mongers.
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Saw, I would not delve into this, but you seem to want to troll me. Maybe you should just stick to football.
You figured me out, Sebs!!!!
Im a grand lizard of many an alphabet group-and while you would not delve into it, I would reckon their are many things each of us would do that the other would not.
The truth of the matter, Sebs, is that I like you (for whatever that may be worth). If I meet you in ‘pol someday, I will shake your hand with a big sh-t-eating grin on my face and offer to buy us a beer.
But, having said that, you are an uber-lib, making John Lennon look like John Wayne. I like to bring the uber-libs out of the twilight zone and watch how they tell me Alice-in-Wonderland was right all along.
I also can’t deny I get a huge smile when you let me have it. Admittedly, its a character flaw. Your funnier than you know.
I’ve had my disagreements with rocket and not found him disrespectful at all. But then I’m not interested in a multi dozen long exchange in order to prove I’m right at the expense of someone else. Perhaps those who continually get in such scraps should look in the mirror.
You’re not respectful to other posters, either.
I’m disrespectful of posters (and blog hosts) who let us know they are the know it alls, when they really aren’t. Or make ludicrous claims that the team is taking their advice from the pages of this blog. How much respect should be given to that?
You and Rocket have a lot in common. Two know it alls who have no clue. The difference is you don’t pretend to have coached in the past.
I don’t post enough to be considered a know it all. Do you even follow your own blog, Grant? What “all” have I professed to know?
You did it again.
Did what? Asking a question on how you come to a conclusion that’s not supported by evidence?
You’re a know it all because when you do grace this blog with your presence, you spend all your time telling others why they’re idiots, just like Rocket, despite knowing nothing. It’s cute.
The one thing I do know is that the team doesn’t take Seb’s, yours or anyone else’s advice from comments on this blog. If you have team or league contacts that refute that, I’m happy to hear and reconsider.
The times this blog ventures into politics I’m more than happy to tell others they are wrong, but otherwise I think I’m pretty amenable.
ETA: I said a Vic Fangio defense has not won a championship. Care to dispute that?
I know for a fact the 49ers read everything every beat writer writes. My suggestions usually are on the money, as someone high in the organization has told me.
I’m glad you think you’re amenable.
When JL put on his Trader Bill Hat, and did 8 out of the 10 things I enumerated. I certainly felt like he did exactly what I wrote. Too bad he listened to others and ignored my advice about avoiding the unforced errors, and avoiding the red flagged players. Bet he wishes he had heeded my advice about those points.
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JL even obtained second and third round picks for the next draft, so I certainly crowed about that, because no other poster on this site, or any other Niner site, advocated for that.
Who’s your high-placed source Grant?
“…as someone high in the organization has told me.”
Grant, I’m supposed to respect that delusion? Whatever, pro.
I didn’t write that comment. Get it together.
Hey Grant…
Since you’ve concluded the 9ers organization reads your material, it may follow that they read your blog’s posts (comments posted by all)–is that so? If so, ask your ‘high-placed’ source who they feel is spot-on, delusional, toadiest, funniest, angriest, etc. Please share with us!
Cassie, I believe Joan in Accounting is my advocate. Whenever she reads something salient, she passes it along. Rest assured, she ignores your snark and all the peanut gallery.
Rib, finish the sentence. ‘Too bad he listened to others and ignored my advice ABOUT AVOIDING THE UNFORCED ERRORS, AND AVOIDING THE RED FLAGGED PLAYERS.’
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Guess you think JL is happy he drafted Foster and Joe Williams and even compounded the mistake by desperately trading up for them.
Someone high in the organization told me that if I entered the draft this year I’m guaranteed to go in the top 10.
Too bad you cannot enter the draft.
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Wait, are you Keelan Doss? I whole heartedly agree you should go in the top 10. I think you are a slam dunk pro bowler and future Hall of Famer, and the Niners will win the SB if they draft you. ;p
Yeah too bad that way Grant can analyze my play after each game and then when I see him I can pour some water on his face lol
It doesn’t matter what advice you think you are giving. They are not taking it from random schlubs like us on the internet.
But you are the one going on about respecting other posters.
Are you so random at Niners pressers also? No wonder the team doesn’t give you gets.
This comment made no sense, just like the rest of your comments.
Grant…
Your interview with Denise.
When?
You have posted 7,000 comments since October of 2015. Nice.
Grant’s checkin’ the odometer. Cool.
So Grant, please share with us the monickers and numbers of the top five posters since October 2015. Just wondering about volume. Word count might be fun too–I’d think Sebbie would be in the top two on word count alone.
Seb is No. 1. Razor is No. 2. Rocket is No. 3.
Grant, I am not a number! I am a free man! HAHAHAHAHA!✌
Some day, you will learn your lesson.
Seb, don’t speak to Grant that way. He may rescind your legend status.
He knows I was talking about you.
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Grant is too smart to try and engage with me. He sees what I do to posters like you, Shoup, rocket, Prim, Houston and others.
They stab it with their steely knives but they just can’t kill the beast.
Yup, that reminds me of the stench of Baalke. Baalke not only liked to stab players and coaches in the back, he twisted the knife.
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I think Lowell is very proud of his son.
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I am a Toadie? I disagree with Grant all the time, and am not afraid to enumerate reasons why I think he is wrong.
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The toadies are the sycophants who think KS walks on water, and will never say a disparaging word about him, then attack me for being MEAN to him. Heavens forbid that a 4-12 coach gets one negative word written about him. ;p
You’re annoying, and fight for the last word just like rocketo.
The difference for me is that you don’t pretend to have a past in football. And no, soccer isn’t football lol. Some similarities though.
Please don’t dominate the rap, Jack
If you got nothing new to say.
If you please, don’t back up the track
This train’s got to run today.
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Now I don’t know, but I been told
It’s hard to run with the weight of gold.
Other hand, I have heard it said
it’s just as hard with the weight of lead.
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You can overlook the lack, Jack
of any other highway to ride.
It’s got no signs or dividing lines
and very few rules to guide.
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Things went down we don’t understand
But I think in time we will.
Now I don’t know but I been told
In the heat of the sun a man died of cold.
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Now I don’t know, but I been told
If the horse don’t pull you got to carry the load.
I don’t know whose back’s that strong
Maybe find out before too long.
Perfect example of my first sentence. Thank you my friend
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Seebb……………..We all know why youve ragged Shanny from the moment he didn’t give you-know-who a 20 yr K.
THATS……….when YOUR animosity started.
I find fault in KS and his assessment skills when he thinks Hoyer was superior to Kaep, and thought CJB was the best QB in the building. The Niners went 1-15 with those 2.
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I also think he should hire an OC, but KS blithely states he does need one. Too bad he went 4-12 without one last season, with all the incompetent play, red zone impotence, poor game management and lack of discipline.
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Guess I just want the Niners to win more than you.
Wrong, Sebs…
On so many levels.
1) A team, by your own admission, was left devoid of talent.
2) A 53 man roster can not be replenished in a couple of years. You know the math.
3)What talent they could procure-far short of the complete overhaul they need-was decimated with
injuries, such that the team far more often than not consisted of 3rd stringers and scrubs.
4)Therefore, the team was a revolving door-no continuity.
Pls dont talk about how injuries are a part of the game-the 9ers were decimated and don’t have quality depth yet. they are starting to, tho.
My question for you, Sebs……………..tell me what would happen to Seattle if they lost Wilson and their primary back, instrumental in their game plan? We wont even go into all of the other injuries…….
Just that one question answered, Sebs??
Saw, even with JG going down, KS himself admits he should have won 3 more games. If he had made the proper adjustment, he could have avoided a losing season.
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If he had just signed Kaep week 4, they might have actually had been in the Wildcard hunt. This team, with a third string QB, beat a playoff team and hated rival.
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If Pete Carroll had lost Wilson and Lynch, he could have signed Kaep, because he wanted to win so much. Then the Seahawks may have taken the league by storm, again.
All this back and forth is stupid. Don’t be a jackass, and don’t misrepresent yourself. This really isn’t hard is it?
After taking time away and coming back and reading the comments with an open mind, nothing has changed.
Grant, Sebnnoying and Jack Hammer are all low life wannabe’s.
Do yourself a favor fellas, don’t support this A hole Cohn. He’s a POS arrogant clown, along with his little minions.
I’ve found way better blogs to read then this garbage. The 49ers faithful deserve better than reading this crap!
And as for you Grant, told you I can and will stay away d bag!
Glad you found other blogs that are to your liking. Feel free to stay on those if you prefer. Don’t let the blog door hit ya where the good lord split ya.
You stayed away for a whole week until you gave into withdrawals.
You are delusional to think people need this POS blog.
Look at all the regulars leaving including myself. You stink and it’s catching up.
I feel great having found something better than this. Later loser!
And to the rest of the blog. Save yourself fellas. Dont support this hater!
Please leave forever.
Poor Prime. Promised to leave until the draft. Could not hold out past the SB.
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Poor, poor lonely loser. I feel sorry for him.
Twenty five or six to four.
I knew you were on all this time.
Couldn’t even make it past to the Super Bowl actually. He’s an addict.
Pivotal off season for Lynch and Shanahan. Outside of trading for Garappolo Lynch’s personal decisions have been poor. Two years loaded with draft picks and one impact player to show for it (Kittle). Unloading a pro bowl caliber LT in T. Brown for a 5th, seriously? Overpaying for free agents. On the coaching side side we have seen brilliant schemes, poor execution and a defense that is below par. If the Rams win the Super Bowl here comes huge pressure to perform! My prediction is less than 8 wins and the dynamic duo is gone, or at least one of them.
wow grant you actually researched a posters isp address to prove a point. isnt that a bit unethical>
no it’s not.
Grant,
Did you hear about your hero Steve Young saying that if he could fight anyone from the media in the octagon he’d choose your dad? It was pretty funny.
Brent Jones also talked about the old murders row of scribes from his day, Ira Miller, Glenn Dickey and your dad. He was pretty complimentary and agrees with your assessment of the current crop being « soft ».
Wow, I missed that. Was this on KNBR?
Yes. It’s the last 5 minutes here.
https://omny.fm/shows/murph-mac-podcast/1-24-brent-jones-nfl
The most epic battles were between Lowell and Walsh.