Kyle Shanahan urges 49ers to stay motivated

Posted By on October 12, 2018

San Francisco 49ers tight end George Kittle (85) runs against the Arizona Cardinals during the second half of an NFL football game in Santa Clara, Calif., Sunday, Oct. 7, 2018. (AP Photo/Tony Avelar)

SANTA CLARA — Friday morning during a team meeting, head coach Kyle Shanahan urged the 49ers to practice harder and not quit on the season despite their 1-4 record.

“We talked about how we need to change the mindset here,” fullback Kyle Juszczyk said. “We need to come to work every day and literally put everything into that day and get better.

“He used some examples of guys who have found that motivation and have been practicing their butts off. Guys like (running back) Raheem Mostert and (cornerback) Ahkello Witherspoon came in and just had a great day Thursday. He used them as motivation for the rest of us to practice like they did.”\

Shanahan has to use any source of motivation he can, because the outlook for the rest of the season is bleak. Monday Night, the 49ers will play on the road against the Green Bay Packers, who are 10-point favorites. The following Sunday, the 49ers will play at home against the undefeated Los Angeles Rams, who will be big favorites, too.

Most football experts expect the 49ers to lose both games, and fall to 1-6.

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  1. Let’s tank so we can use the number one pick on a guy who we’ll be lucky to get 8 games a season out of.

    That whole family is soft. It’s in the genes. After missing on both first rounders in 2017 the team can’t afford to blow a #1 pick. Smartest move in this upcoming draft is to trade down and let someone else set themselves back taking Bosa.

    I’ll try and find some better prospects then the ones I’ve offered up so far. I’ll see if I can’t find a CB that doesn’t have multiple foot injuries already…good grief.

    1. I hope we get the no. 1 pick so that we can draft a QB. Jimmy G the backup plays for 3 years and then we get rid of him and his fat contract. 137 million and he blows his knee out, you’re sure on the ball there Jed no brains York that can’t hire the right coaching either. Kyle should’ve brought his Falcons talent instead of this crap for talent players that do nothing but cost us money and wind up hurt before week 1 of the season.

      1. Darren “cost us money” How much did it cost you? man don’t spend your money on talent players that do nothing.

  2. Good. KS should say that.
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    I will be the first to admit that this team is tight, in a good way. They never gave up during that 9 game losing streak last season, and the JG games gave everyone hope. It sure seems like all the players like each other, and they are all pulling in the same direction. I would call this locker room cohesive, with no dissension. Of course, I am not privy to see what happens in the locker room, but from afar, I like the team esprit de corps.
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    I am proud of the way that the team has held together under these trying circumstances. The injuries are critical, and make winning so much harder.
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    I hope KS will play the hand dealt to him, but if this is draw poker, maybe he needs some new cards.
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    Maybe KS needs to make some hard decisions. Benching Witherspoon may be one hard decision. I think DJ Reed deserves more playing time. Maybe even Tarvarius Moore. Young fast fresh legs may be needed if they want to play tight man to man, because AR wants to get rid of the ball quickly, because he is limited in the pocket with his knee.
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    I am glad Tim Ryan just stated that he hopes the Niners play sharp and with discipline.
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    The Niners have a chance if they can keep the ball out of AR’s hands, and if they can play disciplined, error free football.

    1. The bottom line is that football is entertainment and the Niners have not been entertaining or fully prepared to entertain for years.

  3. Play for your jobs and each other. That’s the only motivation worth anything. It’s their own damn fault they lost their prime time games, not the world’s. Good grief!

  4. There’s only so much a team can do and Kyle has to accept the fact that when you don’t have capable backups, numbers, bad talent all around, it’s on Kyle, it’s on Lynch, it’s on the inept owner that DOESN”T want to sell the team for the sake of the 49ers fans like myself that want to see a legit QB, a legit WR, legit RB, legit defense, legit play calling, and I have not seen that since Steve Young and Jeff Garcia. Alex Smith WOULD HAVE been there if the dumb coaching got him an Oline, got him WRs, got him play calling, and didn’t let Smith play with the hurt shoulder. Kyle, your season is over. 2 and 14 , 4 and 12, maybe another 6 and 10, but i’m not putting your win total higher then 4. In NFC North, you looked bad vs. Vikings, be terrible vs. Packers, horrible vs. Chicago when Khali Mack puts the blindside hit, you should be lucky the refs gave you the Detroit game. KC spanked you easy in the AFC West. You MIGHT, just MIGHT beat the Raiders, but you already lost to SD so you’re 0 and 2 so far. Denver is either way. You won’t win vs. Bucs. Be lucky if you beat NYG. You already look bad vs. Ari so 1 and 5 in the division sounds fair to me. Kyle, you lost those games for you’re 1 and 4, you suck, your QB is garbage, I don’t care he can throw 300 a game, that’s good, but he has garbage around him and those numbers come in garbage time.

    I urge the 49ers to draft a Qb, play out Jimmy G for 3 years, and SEE YA to the backup QB. WIth Jimmy G, you would’ve been 6 and 10.

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  5. I’m glad that the NFL does not view the 49ers as a viable prime time product. And they’re right.

    I remember last season the NBA doing the same thing to the Cleveland Cavs.
    The Cavs looked horrible early in the season and even LeBron said that they did not deserve to be on prime time.

    The NBA’ snub actually worked to galvanize the Cavs and propel them to the finals.
    Of course, it doesn’t hurt to have the best basketball player on the planet to carry the team as well.

    I like hearing Buck and Kit taking the NFL’ move as a personal slight and hopefully the rest of the team follows suit.
    I’m waiting to see how the team reacts on Monday evening.

  6. OT, but JL apologized for the omission of Photos of Kaep highlighting Packer games.
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    JL is a fine upstanding individual, and that shows high character. Sounds like he is changing the culture, in a positive way.
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    Now, maybe he can be even more classy, and prove he is trying to upgrade every position, by bringing in Kaep for a tryout.

      1. Maybe KS should allow his QB to run for 181 yards. With a 4-2 road playoff record, maybe KS should try to utilize his skillsets.
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        Bet Matt Ryan would admit that Kaep is a formidable foe. I even bet Aaron Rodgers would conceded Kaep is so skilled, he set a playoff record against him.
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        KS does not want a record setting SB QB. He would rather stick with a 1-6 turnover machine.

        1. Let me know when you become a head coach that surpasses Shanahan in the NFL Seb. Until then, STFU about this crap. Spewing this pointless garbage about bringing in a QB who does not fit the offense makes you look as idiotic as Darren5000 who is wanting the 49ers to draft a QB in a bad 2019 QB prospect class .

          2. Mid, I am just a fan with an opinion. My opinion is just as valid as yours, and you cannot hurl insults to shout me down, without a response.
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            Obviously, you think KS is incapable of coaching up a record setting SB QB. However, I do think KS is smart enough, but he is lazy and just does not want to do it, because he would rather lose without Kaep, than win with him. Maybe they are going for the elegant tank.
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            Your personal animus is clouding your judgement. Kaep is unfairly being blackballed for kneeling. He is not denigrating the flag, but is using its symbolism to warn America about injustices. He is advocating for social justice in a silent, respectful, peaceful, non violent way, exercising his First Amendment rights. You, and others are hypocrites for reciting the pledge of allegiance, to the flag. You have amnesia about the last few words, or do not care. When you say-‘ liberty and justice for all’, you really must mean- liberty for police to shoot unarmed civilians, and who subsequently escape justice. You think the flag is sacrosanct, then say nothing when it is not lowered to half staff for a true American hero.
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            When JG signed his 137 mil deal, I was not calling for Kaep to join this team. I wished Kaep well, and expected him to take the league by storm on some other team. Personally, I think Bortles will pull a Gabbert, and bench himself. Kaep, with that Jag defense, would be an odds on favorite to win the SB. Denver may see their SB chances slipping away. They have a SB defense, but the QB play has doomed their past seasons, and the outlook does not seem bright with Keenum. I still think Kaep can play, and at 30, he is in the prime of his life. I hope he wins his collusion case, voids the CBA, and is allowed to play. To me, the logical place would be here, since he led the Niners to a SB, especially once JG went down with an ACL.
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            I have been somewhat respectful of their decisions on the quarterbacking. I rooted for Gabbert, and even rooted for Hoyer, when they started for the Niners. I will root for CJB when he takes the field, but if he has another 4 turnover game, I will advocate for an improvement. Kaep, with his experience and accomplishments, is far superior than CJB, but the tired old excuse about scheme fit really is just another red herring.
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            Yes, CJB gives the Niners a chance to win. My opinion is that Kaep would give them a better chance to win. Fault me for rooting for the Niners to win, but that is just illogical, because that just means you do not care if the Niners win.
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            Compare me with D5K? He exults when the Niners lose. I want the Niners to do everything in their power to win another ring. I may have been hard on Jed, but I am not delusional and think they will sell the team.
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            Actually, I do want the Niners to draft or sign a QB. I want them to do that every year. However, I agree with you, and think this QB class is weak, so they should wait until the 6th or 7th round to find a good prospect. Right now, they should sign a veteran QB. Maybe even a record setting SB QB. Going with 7 game CJB and a rookie, in my humble opinion, is not trying hard enough to win.

            1. You sound like a crusty old fart who cannot evolve his thinking to the modern era!

              Kap is done, done done!

              1. No, Prime, the game is evolving, and the classic pocket passer will become as obsolete as the Dodo bird.
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                Nowadays, the future QBs will be accurate, but also mobile, so they can elude the pass rush and threaten with their legs.
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                Kaep, on the right team, could compete in the SB.

              3. Guys like Mahomes, Jimmy G, Darnold, Mayfield are the future. Thye all can play in the pocket. Kap cannot!

              4. Mahomes created plays out of the pocket to eviscerate the Niners. JG rolled out and hit Pettis for a TD. Darnold is playing true to form with a 2-3 record, 7 TDs, 6 interceptions. Mayfield is a mobile QB who is accurate.
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                Prime, thanks for proving my point.

            2. In this draft it’s Bosa, Oliver and then everyone else. That’s why if we want to add an elite edge presence to our team, it’s imperative we are drafting at the top. Otherwise, we will just be adding more good players….

            3. Mid, I am just a fan with an opinion. My opinion is just as valid as yours, and you cannot hurl insults to shout me down, without a response.

              Just stating the truth Seb, whether you choose to accept it or act like a clueless tool. If Kaepernick was a fit, he would most likely be the starting QB. But guess what; he wasn’t the type of QB Shanahan envisioned playing in his offense, thus Kaepernick asked for his release. Whining that the 49ers need to bring Kaepernick in for a tryout or sign him simply ignores that fact and shows you are using your feelings as evidence.
              It does not matter what Kaepernick was able to do in the previous offenses under Harbaugh, Tomsula, and Kelly. What does matter is what Shanahan sees as a fit. We have seen several pieces of the previous offense(s) go elsewhere because they were not a fit, which is another term for what Shanahan envisioned at a position. If you are not willing to accept any part of the truth, then become an NFL head coach that surpasses Shanahan. Until then, follow the advice of Rocket’s previous avatar by having a cup of STFU.

              1. The guys who keep running around here telling others to STFU need to take a look at the mirror or learn how to scroll past.

              2. This coming from someone who freaked out over an innocent joke I made when you were calling Grant a youngster and Grant responded by calling you an oldster.

              3. In Jack’s defense, I was a youngster at the time. Oldster is pretty clever, if I may say so.

              5. Mid, Kaep has a QBR better than half the starting QBs and almost all of the backups.
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                The only reason he is not playing is because he is unfairly being blackballed.
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                Sure, it is KS’s prerogative to declare Kaep does not fit his scheme, but if they keep losing, maybe that scheme is a failure. It certainly did not win a SB.
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                Yes, we have seen players go elsewhere, but they have also been productive. Maybe KS’s assessment skills need upgrading.
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                If KS was 4-1, I would not be critical. I would praise his acumen. without JG, his record is 1-13. KS is not above reproach, and if he keeps losing, I will continue to criticize him. That is part of his job description. Win, get praise. Lose, get criticism.
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                So, where are your bonafides for commenting. Have you been an NFL HC before? You are supporting a 1-4 coach, and thinks he can do no wrong. That does not sound very smart to me. Maybe you should take your own advice until you get smarter.

              7. In Jack’s defense, I was a youngster at the time. Oldster is pretty clever, if I may say so.

                True, but his reaction to my joke was priceless.

            1. Sebbie , or Shane, or Joey?

              Probably not the entity in Sebastopol… No need to confirm!

        3. sebnynah says:
          August 27, 2017 at 6:18 pm
          If Hoyer can play like that, I will not mind if Kaep is blackballed.

        4. “Bet Matt Ryan would admit that Kaep is a formidable foe. I even bet Aaron Rodgers would conceded Kaep is so skilled, he set a playoff record against him.”
          Seb

          The “is” word you referenced should read “was.”

      2. “Kaepernick does not fit the offense that Shanahan runs.”

        I’m not a big fan of Kaepernick the player, but it’s hard to make a true case that he wouldn’t have been a better backup for the team in 2017, and now 2018.

        A few things about the “scheme fit” argument:

        1) He was able to capably back up Smith who’s mobility was similar to Hoyer/Garoppolo.

        2) We’ve seen Shanahan run read option plays the last 2 weeks with Beathard. We’ve seen Shanahan utilize some play action movement plays. Those are a strength of Kaepernick because his feet were much quicker than Beathard and he was at his best on the move.

        3) As AFFP said yesterday, the “scheme fit” stuff could be handcuffing them in terms of personnel. Yes, Kaepernick is not very good at playing in the pocket but somehow Greg Roman and Jim Harbaugh were able to set an offense up mid-season when the starting QB went down that took advantage of his unique skill set. I keep hearing how Shanahan is such an offensive savant. You’re telling me that he isn’t capable to doing something Roman/Harbaugh could manage to do?

        Again, this isn’t an advocation for Kaepernick as a starting QB. It’s that the excuses given don’t hold up, some of them have even previously been made by me.

        The big question is….Had Shanahan/Lynch given Kaepernick the opportunity to battle Hoyer for the starting job before 2017 would he have taken on that challenge?

          1. If you don’t like it here you can check out any time you like, but we all know you can never leave

        2. Didn’t Kap opt out using free will? Could of he stayed and battled or was KS going to release him?

        3. Not capable would suspend belief, more likely unwilling due to stunting the development of the others.

          1. “stunting the development of the others.”

            This is another argument if heard a lot and I disagree with it. We are seeing Shanahan call plays on a weekly basis that match up with Kaepernick’s strengths. Yes he’d have struggled with some of the pocket play, but it’s not like Beathard excels in that area.

            I’d argue that a QB room in 2017 of Hoyer/Kaepernick/Beathard would have been a much stronger overall group. Same with Garoppolo/Kaepernick/Beathard in 2018.

            1. I disagree. Kaepernick is everything that Shanny hates in a quarterback. Shanny’s #1 trait is a pure thrower. C’mon Hammer!

              1. “Shanny’s #1 trait is a pure thrower. C’mon Hammer!”

                I understand. So how does Hoyer make sense then? I get that he was a “scheme fit who knew the system” but he wasn’t any more a “pure thrower” than Kaepernick was and neither is Beathard.

                I wasn’t against them releasing Kaepernick when the move was made. Looking back I question the fact that they just handed the job to Hoyer.

              2. Prolly the same way he does in New England behind Brady. Beathard’s main trait is toughness. He’s like a $2 steak, but I mean he ran a pro offense at Iowa. His footwork/mechanics were some of the best in that class, I thought….

            2. You are an idiot to think Kap could excel in this offense. He could not handle Greg Romans dummied down playbook and now you think Kap could handle Shannys complex wording?
              You and Seb need to retire from football opinions, old age has set it!

              1. “He could not handle Greg Romans dummied down playbook and now you think Kap could handle Shannys complex wording?”

                Yet somehow they were able to go 25-14 with him as the QB, in a conference championship and get to another conference championship game.

                Remind me again, how many conference championship games has Shanahan coached in?

              2. Wah, wah, wah, wah!

                Talk to me when Shanahan has completed the rebuild. Until then keep crying old man!

              3. Jack Hammer says;“I keep hearing how Shanahan is such an offensive savant. You’re telling me that he isn’t capable to doing something Roman/Harbaugh could manage to do?”
                WOW Jack, you are accusing KS of not being flexible/adaptable.
                Are you saying he’s a one trick pony? My way or the highway? Can he only succeed when the players use his strength rather than the other way around? Is he that myopic?
                Maybe…

              4. “Talk to me when Shanahan has completed the rebuild.”

                Right, because Shanahan’s track record of actually winning doesn’t match up with his reputation.

                For all of their warts, Roman and Harbaugh were able to get together an offense that was in the upper 3rd in scoring 3 years in a row. And they did it with a QB who’d previously been considered a bust and a WR group that was Crabtree and not much else.

                I’ll take results over glitz and fancy plays that don’t end up in points.

                Thanks brother.

              7. Dee, i think several of us have seen a certain rigid mentality to Shanahan’s system.

                Is it naïveté, pride, lack of strategic thinking? Not sure. I guess we will see more as time develops but it is worth watching.

              8. Right, because Shanahan’s track record of actually winning doesn’t match up with his reputation.

                Time old man, it takes time to build a winner. You think that approach is old school in the NFL but drafting and developing and supplementing via free aganecy is a tried and true formula for success.
                Turnarounds don’t happen in a year or two for 2 win teams.
                Now it seems you don’t have the time or patience to wait for a rebuild and I think this relates to your current demographic. That’s unfortunate because I’m actually enjoying the way the 49ers are approaching this rebuild.
                Brick by brick!

              9. Was being the operative word. Every second Kaepernicks has gotten weaker, while those in the jungle have grown strong….

            3. Shanahan is obsessed with putting five eligible receivers in the pattern. Kaepernick basically is a one-read QB. He doesn’t really benefit from having five elligibles. I think that’s why Shanahan wouldn’t want Kaepernick. Shanahan would have to pare down his offense and create fewer progressions. Shanahan would rather turn the ball over every play than pare down his offense.

              1. It’s all just a ship being sailed by Captain Obvious unless you’re Seaman Stains…I mean Hammer.

              2. He’s right that Kaepernick is better than Beathard. Kaepernick protected the football. If Shanahan weren’t so rigid, he would want Kaepernick.

              6. Yeah, don’t disagree with any of that. And paring it back would probably really help this team right now anyway.

                I know I’m crazy, but I see Shanahan running play action boot, read options, and other things like we saw Kaepernick be successful with too. If Shanahan was the true offensive “genius” that some make him out to be you’d think he could put together a gameplan that would be successful with Kaepernick.

              7. I agree.

                I discussed this with Jeff Garcia two years ago, right after the 49ers lost to the Falcons. Garcia initially felt Shanahan’s offense would be perfect for Kaepernick, because of the play-action boot-leg passing game. Then, Garcia soured on the idea when he remembered Shanahan runs a progression-based West Coast passing offense. That’s what Shanahan would have to pare down, like Harbaugh did.

              11. “He already did that for RGMe”

                And he had one of his best years as a coordinator when he did it. A shame that Griffin tore his knee up in that playoff game. Never was the same after that.

              13. If Kap wanted to be a runner with some longevity, he should have consumed more crabby patties because I hear they go straight to your thighs. Kap’s thighs were tiny, just like his tibia’s. You know the one with the steel rod?

              14. If Shanahan weren’t so rigid, he would want Kaepernick.

                You could say that about 31 other head coaches who don’t want him.
                It’s not about being rigid as it is he’s not worth the headache or the fact you have to develop a scheme specifically for him. Fact is he is not that good to do that.

              17. “Sooner or later, that’s what happens when you’re a runner first.”

                Didn’t he hurt it when moving in the pocket?

              18. You mean the safest place on the field? Dunno, but it doesn’t have anything to do with my statement, imho.

                Hammer, don’t you agree that when you come into the league without the proper footwork and mechanics, that you’ve already put yourself behind the 8 Ball? Makes it almost impossible to become anything but a flash in the pan…with a talented defense backing you up of course….

              19. “Dunno, but it doesn’t have anything to do with my statement, imho.”

                You’re statement “that’s what happens when you’re a runner first“ implies that his penchant to run is what caused the injury. If he was in the pocket that wouldn’t be the case.

                I seem to remember him hurting it on a scramble, then coming back into the game and having it finished off during a play in the pocket.

                “Hammer, don’t you agree that when you come into the league without the proper footwork and mechanics, that you’ve already put yourself behind the 8 Ball?“

                Yes I agree, but there are some who have great footwork and mechanics that can’t get the job done, while some struggle in those areas but they do succeed.

                “Makes it almost impossible to become anything but a flash in the pan…with a talented defense backing you up of course….”

                Not sure if you are referencing any one player with this. Kaepernick played very well from the time he took over through the middle of 2014. Starting with the Broncos game just past midway that season his play seemingly fell off a cliff. Some can be explained by the injury to Kilgore, and the team going in disarray with the Harbaugh/Baalke/York mess.

                Even with all that said, he was still one of the best 64 QB’s in the league at the start of 2017.

              20. My implication is that running quarterbacks have a penchant for injury. Getting hurt inside the pocket is unfortunate, however it’s the safest place you could possibly be….

        4. I’m not a big fan of Kaepernick the player, but it’s hard to make a true case that he wouldn’t have been a better backup for the team in 2017, and now 2018.

          It is real easy Jack because the fact is that Kaepernick would be the starting QB if he was a fit. However, he is not the starter because he does not match up with what Shanahan envisions his QB to be like, and assigning the role of backup would not change that.

          1. “the fact is that Kaepernick would be the starting QB if he was a fit.”

            Do you mean he’d be the starter now because of injury to the #1 guy?

            “he is not the starter because he does not match up with what Shanahan envisions his QB to be like, and assigning the role of backup would not change that.”

            Don’t disagree on the, “what Shanahan envisions” part. Seems like Shanahan has a ridged “fit” which is causing him to take on less talented players.

            There’s a bit of projecting on my part with this because he wasn’t given an opportunity to show that he couldn’t work in this system. In watching the plays Shanahan runs, I just happen to see a lot of similarities at times to what Kaepernick was doing under Harbaugh/Roman.

          2. Do you mean he’d be the starter now because of injury to the #1 guy?

            No, I mean the 49ers would have done their best to have kept him and that Garoppolo would probably be elsewhere.

            1. Not necessarily. Let’s just say Kaepernick and Hoyer competed for the top job in 2017. Regardless of who won that job Shanahan and Lynch were already looking to go after Cousins in the offseason so they weren’t tied to either of them. None of that would have stopped the trade for Garoppolo.

              1. Maybe, but if Kaepernick was the type of QB that Shanahan wanted, then I doubt the 49srs would have gone after Cousins.

        5. Hammer,
          CK’ last couple of seasons were a far cry from the player we saw in his first two years.

          Even in Harbaugh’ last season with the 49ers we were beginning to hear the “regressed” word re Kaep.

          CK was declining as a QB.
          Maybe his habit of feeling the need to run or throwing inaccurate passes were caused by miserable OL play, but the fact is that CK was not the same QB who was once billed by one football analysis as becoming “one of the greatest QB’ ever.”

          I like CK (known him since his high school days in Turlock), but he sadly regressed even before the political movement, and I don’t see him ever coming back and having any impact.

          1. “CK’ last couple of seasons were a far cry from the player we saw in his first two years.

            Even in Harbaugh’ last season with the 49ers we were beginning to hear the “regressed” word re Kaep.”

            Yeah, I’m not saying that he would be the same guy as 2012 or 2013. I’m saying that even the 2016 guy could compete and fit within Shanahan’s offense as a backup.

            2016 Kaepernick was better than 2017/2018 Beathard.

            1. But Beathard is a backup who is starting while I still believe that Kap sees himself as a starter and wants that kind of compensation.

              2. “Kap sees himself as a starter and wants that kind of compensation.”

                This is something that gets mentioned a lot, and I’m not sure how valid it is. Mike Silver, who knows a lot more about this stuff than most, has often debunked that notion.

              3. Didn’t Dan Graziano report that?

                I don’t think anyone really knows for sure what Kaepernick wants.

              4. That’s why I said “I believe”. I don’t know for sure but I get that feeling that he sees himself as better than many of the players out there and wants to be paid accordingly.

              5. “Didn’t Dan Graziano report that?”

                He might have at some point, I don’t know. Just remember Silver stating that wasn’t the case multiple times on Twitter. ?‍♂️

                “but I get that feeling that he sees himself as better than many of the players out there”

                I’d agree that this is true.

                “and wants to be paid accordingly.”

                Nobody knows exactly what the compensation is that he’s looking for, but from what I’ve heard this is a false narrative. One that was fueled again this year by the John Elway comments.

              6. He’s delusional if that’s the case, because he could not beat out Gabbert in an offense specifically designed for him….

              7. Baalke held Kaep out, so Gabbert won the competition by default.
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                Then, Gabbert pulled a Gabbert, and benched himself, and Kaep took over.

              9. He struggled, because the defense allowed third string RBs to gallop for 200 yards.
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                Porous O line and a dearth of playmakers surrounding him just confirmed that Baalke thoroughly dismantled a SB team.
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                However, I remember that Rams game, when he led a furious come back, and willed his team to victory.

              10. Why is it when things don’t go well, it’s not Kaepernick’s fault and when things go right, Kaepernick is the reason? It’s kinda annoying, don’t you agree?

              12. “he could not beat out Gabbert”

                He was coming off shoulder surgery and wasn’t healthy.

              13. Plus, he’s a runner first and when you’re coming off shoulder surgery and don’t feel good, you’re just not as effective….

                Finished it for ya;>)

              14. “Plus, he’s a runner first and when you’re coming off shoulder surgery and don’t feel good, you’re just not as effective….

                Finished it for ya;>)”

                None of what you just wrote has anything to do with the fact that he was having fatigue in the arm post surgery and wasn’t able to throw for a number of days.

              16. I understand the excuse you’re trying to make, Hammer but I think you miss my point. Not being able to throw was actually a blessing, but he was unable to capitalize on it because his strength was now diminished….

        6. I expect he would be playing better than Beathard right now and likely better than Hoyer last year. But partly because Shanny would have been forced to change his offense.

          Kaep isn’t a fit for what Shanahan wants to do so it makes sense to not sign him. But they need to get better backup QB play than they have been getting so far. Beathard is obviously still young so he might get there.

  7. Yeah, Kaep’s best games were against the Packers. Giving him minimal recognition is wrong, plain and simple.

    Whether he’s liked or hated, you can’t dismiss the impact he had against Green Bay in the playoffs.

      1. Plus Fangio had a great game plan against Rodgers Inc. Grantham might not be a bad idea as DC if the situation presented itself….

  8. He also passed for 400+ yards vs them, and beat them in Green Bay in one of the coldest games ever. Kaep not a fit, interesting to draw that conclusion without giving him a shot. Hoyer, cjb, and mullens are perfect fits tho…..pure comedy.
    A pure cop out…..

    2. How many times does Coach Shanahan have to explain to you Kap dreamers the reason he is not a fit?

    3. Dreed, I agree. The worst thing is that they do not even attempt to hide their animus, by giving Kaep a tryout.
      .
      Personally, I like QBs that can put their foot on the half yard line, then sprint upfield 99.5 yards untouched for a TD.
      .
      Scheme fit? A red herring.

        1. Ah, yes, Prime. I remember when you admitted that Kaep took the league by storm.
          .
          I just think he will do it, AGAIN.

          1. “I just think he will do it, AGAIN”

            Old people tend to repeat things over and over again without realizing they have no clue that they are or the reality of it happening. You seem to be one of those individuals. Id look into that!

              2. LOL Prime.
                Coach Paul Ogasawara has now given us permission to use his real name. He equates himself with Grant, another sign of his senility.
                His self-congratulatory dribble is all over the web….

    4. @dreed209

      To understand the decision making; you have to understand WHY Kaep was successful in Green Bay and WHY Hoyer, Beathard and Mullens are fits for the scheme.

      Shanahan wants a QB that stands in the pocket and makes well timed and accurate throws. Now Kapernick can sit in a pocket and go through progressions. The problem with Kapernick is that when he senses a little bit of pressure his natural instinct is to rabbit out of the pocket. Once that happens the timing of the routes are all off and his mechanics and accuracy go too. Hoyer, Beathard, Mullens and Garappolo are the kind of pocket passers that will take a hit (Beathard to a fault) to get a pass off to a receiver.

      Kaep was successful passing the ball in Green Bay because it was essentially a one read passing game. By play design the primary receiver was usually open. Often times this was done by exploiting the spy that Capers used to try to keep Kaepernick’s running contained. A spy can’t effectively cover a receiver going across a zone if he’s primarily worried about the QB running out of the pocket. So because the primary receiver was often available, Kaepernik could set his feet and throw a well timed and accurate pass.

      But that kind of passing isn’t sustainable as defenses quickly figured out how to cover primary receivers, confuse Kaepernick’s reads and flush him out of the pocket (which screws up the timing of the passing concepts) and into tacklers prepared to contain him.

      Hoyer, CJB and possibly Mullens and even Garappolo to a certain degree may all be slow readers and not where Shanahan wants them to be. But they’re doing what he wants by staying in the pocket and trying get the ball off in timed synchronization with the receivers. They’re slow to do it and most of them weren’t/aren’t that successful but they’re at least trying to do what Shanahan wants them to do….the only hope is that CJ speeds up his reading and decision making process.

      2. One huge factor was the O line play. Kaep had Devey and Pears, the human turnstiles. Baalke let go Iupati, who is still playing well. Kaep could not get to his fifth step before having a pass rusher in his face. Another factor was drop-a-lot Crabtree and Vance- Stone Hands. AJ Jenkins could not even get on the field.
        .
        Forcing Kaep to be only a pocket passer was like putting an Abrams tank in a pit. When allowed to roll out, Kaep was a threat to score every play. They did not play to his strengths, or accentuate his skillsets.

      3. AFFP,

        I pretty much agree with your breakdown on Kaepernick’s strengths and weaknesses. Not sure I agree that Beathard and Mullens are better fits because they’ll stay in the pocket and get the ball off because we’ve seen Beathard not get the ball off a number of times, in part because he doesn’t move very well. His feet look like he’s wearing ankle weights.

        1. Hoyer was a ‘fit’ because he threw the ball like the DB was the intended receiver?
          .
          KS needs to upgrade his definition of ‘fit’.

          1. “Hoyer was a ‘fit’ because he threw the ball like the DB was the intended receiver?”

            Silly comment

        2. @Jack

          Beathard and Mullens are better fits not because they get the ball of in the pocket They’re better fits because they TRY to get the ball off in the pocket. They’re slow to read and make decisions so things often go wrong. But it’s their intent to stay in the pocket that makes them a better fit. Also in CJ’s case, he was initially a fit because he had experience dropping back from under center. That dropping back means CJ had experience to a certain degree with coordinating footwork with timed routes.; something many shotgun college QBs lack and need to develop in the NFL. Now once he hits that last step in the drop he’s slow to read and anticipate throws it looks like he freezes up giving him the appearance of being frozen with ankle weights. I guess being frozen in the pocket is more correctable than rabbiting out of the pocket too early?

          1. “But it’s their intent to stay in the pocket that makes them a better fit.”

            I get you, but at what point do you take into account the player actually being able to play within the framework of the offense and get it done?

          2. The pocket is the safest place on the field. Might be why Shanny likes his quarterback there.

    2. The “Pistol” isn’t an offense. It’s just a formation. Just like the shotgun. The pistol is still used to varying degrees across the league.

      The originally, Chris Ault ran a power run scheme out of the Pistol formation.

    1. When you’re not in the jungle, they get stronger while you get weaker. I said it before and I stand by it. Kaepernick will never play another down on the football field. When you cannot beat out Gabbert, it’s time to be a protestor….

      1. Kaep just won the W.E.B. Dubois award from Harvard, but he can still play in the league.
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        Kaep still wants to play, but the blackballing is still keeping him off the field.
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        With QB attrition, there will be more opportunities for Kaep. By week 12, there will be some teams with a glaring need at QB.

        2. “Kaep just won the W.E.B. Dubois award from Harvard, but he can still play in the league.”
          Seb

          Good for him. But he didn’t win that award for his QB play.

          CK wanting to play football (I believe) has more to do with showing the NFL he can still play and proving that for himself as well.

          Kaep is a competitor and no competitor will say that they could no longer play.
          My thing is that CK was faltering when he left the 49ers and he hasn’t played since.

          At the moment, no team is going to change their scheme in order to accommodate him.
          Kinda hurts me to say this, but Kaep is not important enough for a team to modify their offensive game plan.

          1. If Kap was 23 years old, a team might be inclined to modify their offensive plan until he’s run aground.

            1. Are we seriously still discussing Kaepernick?
              This is getting as bad as the Alex Smith days.

  12. I, Seb, Apologize to those who’ve enjoyed my posts over the years, however I must bid you adieu. A pigeon threatened me and I am forced to leave this site. I took liberty and filmed the rascal. If you cross him, beware.

    sebnynah says:
    September 23, 2018 at 7:30 pm
    Sometimes I choke on my verbal diarrhea.
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    Not a pretty sight I tell you.
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    Life is hard when you’re over 60 and have the mental capacity of a pigeon–peck, peck, peck, type, type, type.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lSdlavyMszE

    1. TrollD the catfish that made up an account so he could attribute something I did not write, to me.
      .
      TrollD, the tool that fantasizes about breaking into gun safes and creating nightmares.
      .
      I hope he is getting proper mental health care, to cure his sick mind.

      1. Thanks for admitting why you really left the site, Seb. I noticed your posts had bore signs of mental distress lately, what, with the repetitive Kaep reunifications.

        Personally, if you see him at the shopping mall, steer clear. He’s reported you once, so we’re all hoping your recent stint at Napa’s Mental Health Ward was beneficial.

      2. Listen… Sebbie ..

        First… let me say that I enjoyed Kaep while he was here… and his
        kneeling never offended me … but that said … imo .. the only way
        he sees a football field again .. might be only if he joins Johnny Manzeil up
        in Canada … (Prime could keep an eye on him for ya) …
        There … he will crash n burn… or prove to be a hot commodity …
        If the latter happens … just maybe .. an NFL team might
        give him another chance ….

        (At least he probably won’t be protesting .. the Canadian National Anthem .. :-}

        1. FYI, Seb. You posted all last year you were forced to leave this site and you did. This directly affects your credibility as an astute NFL observer during the 4th Qtr. of action for those of us who do not ‘wilt’ under pressure, take our ball and go home…..Boo-hoo, Boo-hoo, snivel.

          1. TrollD-‘ You posted all last year you were forced to leave this site.’
            .
            Wrong. I posted once, and elected to leave. I was not banned. I also chose to return. Here I am.
            .
            TrollD, please quit crying and sniveling. It is unseemly.

            1. Wrong. I posted once, and elected to leave. I was not banned. I also chose to return. Here I am.

              Why is God punishing us long time vets of this blog with this kind of crazy? Why Lord, why??????

              2. Like I need another hole in the head. Between him babbling and your crying, I have a headache!

        2. MW, you may be right.
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          However, I am heartened by Eric Reid being able to play.
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          Maybe KS should listen to what Ron Rivera said. He did not care if a player exercises his First Amendment rights, because that is off the field. What he wanted to do was try to get the right players to win on the field.
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          I fully expect a team will endure more QB attrition in the league, and will want to win so much, they will take Kaep, because he is the best option.

          1. Seb, you were always about the window dressing—you’re flea-flicker, receiver falls down play was an example.
            But when the Tom Rathman’s, or Bill Walsh’s Johnny Davis, Goal line- big-backs formation are forced to play vs. the Cowboys, 1981, Seb turns off the TV—not his kind of football….Seb, Walsh would take one look at you and give you a right cross (from his Pro boxing career), and dismiss you for the quitter you are.

            Johnny Davis, Walsh’s “Big-Backs (smash-mouth ) football package:
            scroll to the 1:30 min mark.

            1981 NFC Championship, 49ers vs. Dallas

            https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pcflzu8bKc0

            1. TrollD, you seem to be clueless, posting in the wrong spots.
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              You also are delusional. I did not turn off the TV. I was sitting in section 10, reveling in the beat down the Niners gave the Cowgirls.

              1. You are all about the growing plutocracy, Seb. Just Keep your head in the sand, all’s well, Paul Seb Kavanaugh.

  13. Adam Schefter thinks the 49ers’ rebuild is, “absolutely on track”
    The ESPN insider provides the voice of reason.

    If anyone can give an unbiased opinion of everything, it’s Schefter. The 49ers were rebuilding no matter how this season goes and as far as improving on the win total from last year, the team has just hit a fountain of bad luck.
    https://www.ninersnation.com/2018/10/13/17972348/adam-schefter-knbr-interview-49ers-roster-rebuild-john-lynch-kyle-shanahan

  14. Jim Taylor passed today. Packers might be an emotional team Monday night.

    Jim Taylor and Paul Horning – yup

    1. My condolences to the Taylor family. Death sucks, and this $hit about “golden years” comes straight from the bull.

    3. UC
      One of my early football heroes. Loved Taylor’s blasting style of running.
      In today’s game he would be flagged for consistently running over we-be tacklers.
      RIP, Jim Taylor

  17. Wow, I did not intend for this to become a Kaep argument. Still, improving the QB position is germane to the discussion if they want to do everything in their power to win.
    .
    I would rather talk about ways how the Niners can defeat the Packers.
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    First of all, the Niners should feign weakness. They do not have to try very hard to accomplish that goal. Maybe that will lull the Packers into a state of complacency, and the Niners can take them by surprise.
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    The Niners need to become better prepared, so they can play sharp, focused and with good discipline.
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    The best way to defeat the Packers is by not defeating themselves.

    2. Why make it difficult… ?

      The best way for the Niners to win is … ( wait for it ) …
      to score more points than the Packers ! …. yup !

      2. The 2nd best way for the Niners to win is…(wait for it, but not as long)…to not allow the Packers to score more than the 49ers!

        1. Ya kno… Razor ….
          there’s a certain amount of pure logic in what you say … !
          I like it …

    1. TY. ;p
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      I posted about it, and it started the whole Kaep thread, but thanks again.
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      Glad JL is showing class and changing the culture. He is humble enough to admit to a mistake and rectified it.

    1. Like I said earlier, MWD. There’s two elite players in this draft and the rest are just guys. Bosa and Oliver. There are no Leo’s in F/A that are elite. We need an elite specimen at the position. If there’s anyway to secure Bosa, we have to do it. But if not, Oliver wouldn’t make me mad even though it would mean we probably never get another shot at an elite edge player….

      1. Oliver and Bosa are clearly the top 2 guys, but I certainly wouldn’t say the rest are just guys.

        1. Don’t get me wrong, there’s some good players, and some with pro bowl potential under the right circumstances and coaching. We’ve got a bunch of those types of players. From what I’m hearing, scouts don’t like the depth or strength of this class….

    2. A big groan from me. The DTs aren’t the 49ers problem, especially the 3T. Oliver would just make the best player on the 49ers D redundant.

      2. True, but adding him would help Buckner out whilst adding a pass rushing presence. I’m not saying that this is the way they should go, but if they decide to sign someone like Ray during free agency, it could free them up to draft Oliver in the first round and another edge rusher on Day Two.

        1. If Oliver can play 1T in base and be the other 3T in nickel then I might be ok with it. He plays nose a lot now so he might be able to. But if he is competing for the 3T spot with Buckner then I can’t see it as anything other than a waste. And either way, they would definitely be giving up on Thomas ever being more than a base edge defender.

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