The good and not so good from 49ers training camp: Day 12

San Francisco 49ers quarterback Jimmy Garoppolo, left, smiles on the bench next to quarterback Nick Mullens during the second half of the team’s NFL preseason football game against the Dallas Cowboys in Santa Clara, Calif., Saturday, Aug. 10, 2019. (AP Photo/John Hefti)

SANTA CLARA – Here’s what stood out Tuesday at practice.

THE GOOD

  1. WR Dante Pettis. Returned to the starting lineup after playing with the backups during the preseason opener, and beat Richard Sherman with a double move to make a 30-yard catch. Pettis created at least five yards of space between him and Sherman, who looked lost on that play. This is the kind of play we saw Pettis make during his rookie season.
  2. WR Jalen Hurd. Caught two of three passes from Nick Mullens, and caught a touchdown pass from Wilton Speight in the red zone. Also lined up at running back and ran routes from the backfield a few times. Still has not received any targets from Jimmy Garoppolo during 11-on-11 team drills in camp. They need to start building chemistry.
  3. WR Richie James Jr. Caught a 22-yard pass from Mullens after running a deep comeback route and stopping on a dime.
  4. TE Ross Dwelley. Started in place of George Kittle and caught two passes from Garoppolo – one for 15 yards and one for 10 yards. Dwelley legitimately has become one of the best pass-catchers on the team. No exaggeration.
  5. LB Fred Warner. Ripped the ball out of Matt Breida’s hands during a run up the middle. Warner seems to make one impressive play per practice.
  6. CB Emmanuel Mosley. Intercepted a pass intended for Dante Pettis during one-on-one drills. Mosley is a playmaker who deserves to make the final roster.
  7. QB Jimmy Garoppolo. Completed 9 of 13 pass attempts. He threw seven passes to running backs, three passes to tight ends and three to wide receivers. Garoppolo loves throwing to running backs.
  8. QB Nick Mullens. Completed 6 of 9 pass attempts, and led a touchdown drive during simulated game with no tackling. Garoppolo failed to lead a touchdown drive even though he had two attempts.

THE NOT SO GOOD

  1. WR Dante Pettis. Ran a half-hearted slant route and watched as Mosley stepped in front of him and intercepted Garoppolo’s pass. After the play, Garoppolo said something to Mullens, and Shanahan walked straight to Pettis and gave him coaching points.
  2. TE George Kittle. Missed practice with a calf injury.
  3. WR Deebo Samuel. Missed practice due to personal reasons.
  4. QB C.J. Beathard. Missed practice with a right thumb injury.
  5. CB Richard Sherman. Gave up that 30-yard catch to Pettis. Sherman is the only corner on the 49ers who has really struggled against Pettis in camp. It will be interesting to see if teams target Sherman more frequently this season.
  6. WR Jordan Matthews. Started in the slot, but received no targets from Garoppolo and dropped the only target he received from Mullens.
  7. C Ben Garland. Has struggled to snap the ball when the quarterback is in the shotgun all offseasonn. Garland’s snaps consistently land below the quarterback’s knees. The 49ers need Weston Richburg healthy as soon as possible.

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  1. “WR Jalen Hurd. Caught two of three passes from Nick Mullens, and caught a touchdown pass from Wilton Speight in the red zone. Also lined up at running back and ran routes from the backfield a few times. Still has not received any targets from Jimmy Garoppolo during 11-on-11 team drills in camp. They need to start building chemistry.”

    REPLY: C’mon JG, lets hook up with the Rookies MAN!??? They’ve proven their redzone worth, Game 1, it’s on YOU NOW Jimmy!

    1. TomD – If KS does not orchestrate opportunities for Hurd and Samuel to work with JG and be the primary targets and recipients of targets as the primary receivers then KS is at fault for not taking the proper steps to develop and to encourage a relationship between them!

      KS has to take charge and make sure the relationship develops because he is the OC and it all is on him!

  2. Hurd seems to be the yang to Pettis’ yin. Hurd is running routes from the backfield? Be still my heart. Holey Mosley! When Kittle goes down, the Dwelley breaks out. Jimmy would have loved the ’84 Niners then. If Garland is that bad, they must either feel like Weston is on schedule or they have a trade partner on speedial….

      1. He got hurt prior to my juju, and so I’m not responsible. Kittle can go down the field, and Dwelley can break outside underneath. I think we’ll see more 22 formations, and I’d like to see Hurd sprinkled in that formation behind Juice in the power I. Especially in the red zone….

    1. That’s interesting, because Víc used to coach our defence of the past. And I’m wondering if he has made any changes over the years for todays football.

  3. That’s pretty troubling about Ben Garland. It feels like the 9ers o-line could be a major source of frustration throughout the year. We’re all hoping Richburg gets back quickly but honestly the guy hasn’t had a better than average year in 3 years. You could argue he was worse than average the past 3 years. PFF isn’t the End All/Be All in talent evaluation but their system does have some merit if taken with the appropriate caution. They had Richburg as the 30th rated Center last year. The interior O-Line is Person, Richburg/Garland, Tomlinson? That does not inspire confidence. The 49er offseason strategy seems to have been, well they have another year of experience – maybe they will get better. Not a big fan of that strategy on the o-line or at Safety.

    1. I never understood Shanahan’s crush on Richburg. Go back and watch the games with the 9ers. He gets pushed around from the get-go, a weak center.

    2. O line and Defensive Backfield are concerns for the upcoming seasons. These will likely be the elements that hold the team back.

        1. Yeah, especially the stacked d-line, the 3-4 headed monster coming out of the backfield, the young wr group that is turning heads, and a special teams due (pk and punter) that could end up being the best in the league. Yeah, clearly every position group sucks.

  4. Didn’t notice any snide remarks coming from Cohn today,with the exception of the slight on Jimmy G regarding his perceived propensity for checking the ball down to Half backs. Probably not a bad idea when you have Breida and Coleman on the receiving end of those dump offs.

    1. David Grant – Obviously, you missed the gist of the comment – name one team in NFL history which has won a Super Bowl with a running back, catching passes out of the backfield, as its leading receiver?

      FYI, it was KS’s dad, when as Raiders head coach, years ago, who mentioned that Marcus Allen easily could catch 100 passes or more out of the backfield, and Al politely told him, meaning Mike, that there is no way you are going to win a SB with a RB being your leading receiver out of the backfield.

      Kyle obviously has not learned from the failures of his father!!!!!!!!!!!!!

  5. I can’t wait to see Bird and Jimmy start building that necessary chemistry like they need to. As usual freaking injury bug is trying to do us in again.

  6. Did Pettis get any other targets in team work other than the busted coverage? I am definitely getting worried the QBs are losing confidence that when they throw the ball to him he will fight for it. Not every throw can be to a huge window – if Pettis won’t fight for the ball that’s a lot of risky throws that QBs will start to avoid throwing. And if the QB stops throwing the ball his way unless he is wide open then it won’t matter how talented Pettis is, he’d become a detriment to the team.

      1. You mentioned Hurd has been getting some reps at flanker in addition to slot and some backfield work. Where abouts is he in the rotation at flanker? I assume Pettis and Bourne ahead of him – anyone else?

          1. Makes sense. I don’t really see Hurd getting many snaps in games split out as a flanker. I think he will be making his money from the slot and backfield.

            Interesting that Matthews got the start in the slot today. Seemed like James got the start there against the Cowboys, though I think he was splitting time between split end and slot with Pettis also getting some snaps from the slot.

  7. I can think of four receivers I would like on the field before Pettis. Goodwin, Samuel, Hurd, Taylor. Wouldn’t mind at all if Bourne and Mathews rounded out the WR group.

  8. So it sounds like the CJ thumb will make Mullens the #2? And now if Hurd can step up and beat out Pettis things will look a little better me thinks….Thanks Grant

    1. It might force Shanahan to make Mullins the #2. I am beginning to suspect that he holds a bias in respect to Beathard. The question will always be as to “who does number 2 work for.”

  9. Jacuzzi Tartt, “The past two years, I’ve been injured,” Tartt said. “For them to still believe in me is a great thing. For the rest of the secondary, we’re young, but at the same time, we can play ball, and that’s what we plan on doing this year — showing everybody we can actually play.

    1. Nice recap. It really is like a periscope. Pettis is an interesting cat. He can move his lower body counter to his COG. It can give kick coverage and CBs fits, even good ones like Sherm., fits. Grant and Shanahan, and Weller and others correctly call out Dante for lacking aggression at the point of catch. It’s real. I would caution he is not much used to being contested because so few can stay with him. This, however, is the NFL. Everybody is fast and agile and strong. He will be contested and he’ll learn, painfully I suspect. In the meantime I would concentrate on getting him the ball in space and let him YAC it up. If he can sting defenders by going around them they’ll stop trying to through him. Simple math. Let him do what he does best not force him to being an Anquan Boldin clones

    2. Nice recap. It really is like a periscope. Pettis is an interesting cat. He can move his lower body counter to his COG. It can give kick coverage and CBs fits, even good ones like Sherm. Grant and Shanahan, and Weller and others correctly call out Dante for lacking aggression at the point of catch. It’s real. I would caution he is not much used to being contested because so few can stay with him. This, however, is the NFL. Everybody is fast and agile and strong. He will be contested and he’ll learn, painfully I suspect. In the meantime I would concentrate on getting him the ball in space and let him YAC it up. If he can sting defenders by going around them they’ll stop trying to through him. Simple math. Let him do what he does best not force him to be an Anquan Boldin clone

  10. Two years ago…

    sebnynah says:
    August 21, 2017 at 9:26 pm

    The most valuable player on the Niners is Joe Staley. The Niners should trade him to the Broncos for a second round pick.

      1. If one could lay all of Sebbie’s ‘bundle trade’ words generated since February 2016 end to end–using 10pt Arial font–they would reach from Earth to Alpha Centauri and back twice.

    1. I advocated that since the Niners were a 2 win team at that time. I wanted to reward Staley for his stellar service, and trade him to a team that went to the SB not too long before. It would have allowed Staley to compete for a ring, not dwelling in the cellar.
      .
      Getting another second round pick would have helped with the rebuild. At number 40 in the second round, the Broncos chose Courtland Sutton WR. Harold Landry DE, Mike Gesecki TE, Kerryon Johnson RB, Dante Pettis WR, Josh Jackson CB, Breeland Speaks DE, Christian Kirk WR, Uchenna Nwosu LB, Dallas Goedert TE, Anthony Miller WR and Kemoko Turay DE were the next 11 players chosen. If the Niners had picked Sutton, they could have passed on Pettis, and selected Josh Jackson, who lost to Goodwin by one hundredth of a second in their 40 yard dash competition.

        1. Obtuse? Where have I heard of that word being used here before?
          .
          GEEPers, imitation is the sincerest form of flattery.

      1. You aren’t rewarding a guy by sending him to the Broncos 5-11.

        The Niners were not a 2 win team either.

        2017 they finished very hot, once they got Jimmy. Sadly that didn’t carry over to 2018 because of injuries.

        But no, you wanted to trade him away before the start of the rebuild.

  11. You forgot the most important not so good grant… The GLARING host of 1st teamers etc not playing / practicing:

    Nick Bosa (ankle), Ronald Blair III (groin), Dee Ford (knee), Joshua Garnett (finger) D.J. Jones (knee), Elijah Lee (thumb), Jerick McKinnon (knee), Raheem Mostert (head), Trent Taylor (foot), K’Waun Williams (knee) and Jason Verrett (ankle).

  12. Cris Long says if Tom Brady were to ever leave the Patriots, it’d be for the San Francisco 49ers. I think that tells you all you need to know about Shanny, and doubt he’d feel the same way if Harbaugh were the HC….

    1. Tom Brady is a Patriot for life. I don’t see him finishing his career with another team unless the Pat’s do something to piss him off.

      1. He is selling his house. He said not to read too much into it, but this is his last year on the contract. I don’t know if he is really that committed to the Pats. He pretty much did all he can with that franchise. Perhaps he wants to do something elsewhere to prove a point?

  13. It does appear that the O-LINE will be a major problem again especially the G and C spots. Its good to bring back the same O-LINE to build chemistry but they should of upgraded at least one of the G spots. I see lots of dink passes to the RB this season. Not sure why they gave all that money to the Center almost $50 million when they could of gotten Mike Pouncey for less. So far Jerick McKinnon, Weston Richburg, and Malcolm Smith are all very bad contracts that the 49ers have given out. @ of those players may not even make the team or play this year.

    Positions that could struggle this year G,C,WR, both Safety spots and RB. WR may not but looks like the best WR are the two rookies so far. Breida gets hurt alot and so does the FB.

      1. QB to WR….appears to run afoul of 2:19 in the Book of Sebbie: No player shalt be played out of position.

        1. I wanted the Niners to draft Driskel for his 4.56 forty speed. I liked his speed and mobility. Too bad they cut him, and the Bengals claimed him.
          .
          Even though he started their last 5 games, and passed for 764 yards, 5 TDs and 2 picks, he is not talented enough to supplant Dalton. Maybe his best position is WR, and not QB. It also sounds like the Bengals are a little thin at the WR position.

    1. Thanks Cassie Freakin’ Baalke,

      In the 80’s we won back to back SuperBowls in ’88-’89 with the strongest player in the NFL (Kevin Fagan) playing DE.

      Lets hope Kentabvius gives a repeat performance!

    1. Sleb:
      * ” They should move Person to center.”
      * Right Sleb, They should Play Person out of position and replace him at RG with who…..Josh Garnet?

  14. 49er writer agreeing with TomD LB on Azeez Al-Shaair, who I tipped my helmet to yesterday:

    49ers Question of the day: Which long-shot player are you pulling for this preseason?
    By Kyle Posey@KP_Show Aug 14, 2019, 8:01am PDT

    “Every training camp around the NFL some players go out and make a name for themselves during practice and the preseason. They know the odds are against them in regards to making the roster, so they are giving 100%…”

    https://www.ninersnation.com/2019/8/14/20804224/49ers-nfl-preseason-long-shot-depth-chart-final-roster-spots

    “For me, it’s easy. LB Azeez Al-Shaair…”

  15. The Niners and KS like the 21 personnel. They should try the 12 personnel, with 2 TEs. Dwelley can block, but he is a way better pass catcher than Juice.

    1. And the Hits Keep Coming:

      sebnynah says:
      August 12, 2019 at 11:19 pm

      I will agree with Grant
      I will agree with Grant
      I will agree with Grant
      I will agree with Grant
      I will agree with Grant

      montyderhak says:
      August 12, 2019 at 1:34 pm
      Seb=homer
      Someone who shows blind loyalty to a team or organization, typically ignoring any shortcomings or faults they have.
      “That guy is a total Frisco homer, they haven’t done anything good all season!”

      ribico says:
      August 14, 2019 at 7:03 am
      The guy asks for 750 words or less, Seb replies with a 4000 word dissertation. Dude, your dad, the professor whose love you are still pining for, is not grading you here.

      57 Niner says:
      August 13, 2019 at 11:25 am
      Seb,

      SHUT UP!!!!!!!!!!!

      Ribico says:
      August 13, 2019 at 10:52 am
      it sounds like

      That’s your problem right there. Positing hearsay as fact. Another defining trait of the narcissistic sociopath.

      Keep it up Seb.

      1. Tom, I actually take issue with montyderhak. If seb were actually a homer it would be one of the few redeeming qualities he brings to this board. I take that back, it would be the only redeeming quality he brings to this board.

  16. The Niners lined up Hurd at FB? What, do they WANT him to quit? Thankfully, he ran pass routes, but Hurd quit on the Volunteers because he did not want to play RB anymore.
    .
    They should line up Hurd as the split end, so he can go one on one with the CB. Both Hurd and Pettis should play the X- split end position so they do not have to run over the middle in traffic. I disagree with Grant, and think that Hurd will play longer and avoid injury if he does not play in the flanker or slot position.
    .
    Some posters think it s OK for a player to tell a coach he does not want to play in a position they assigned him. Wonder if the Niner coaches know about this.

    1. Signs your dealing with (Seb) a Narcissist:

      ✦ A sense of superiority places them above others . ✦ Must be the center of
      ✦attention, constantly seeking approval, acknowledgment, kudos, accolades, praise
      ✦ Dominate conversations because they believe they have the only worthwhile things to say
      ✦ Envious of other people’s accomplishments and will steal, lie, or sabotage others to get attention back to them
      ✦ See criticism as baseless attacks or betrayal and countered with cold-shoulder anger or rage or chilly stares or verbal attack.
      ✦ They are: blowhards, braggarts, blusterers, brow-beaters, bullies, big-headed, and ultimately bogus.
      ✦ Will steal an idea, quote, lesson plan, piece of wisdom — call it their own
      http://thinklikeablackbelt.com/blog/signs-and-traits-of-emotional-predators/

      1. How rich. Trying to diagnose another poster, while having his own fantasies and nightmares.
        .
        Physician, heal thyself.

        1. Selb:
          * Just curious, were you born an obtuse cretin, or do you have to WORK AT IT?
          * It was nice NOT reading your obnoxious drivel yesterday….keep up the good work!

    2. George says:
      February 9, 2016 at 8:25 am

      Seb, nobody cares.

      Reply
      sebnynah says:
      February 9, 2016 at 9:27 am

      Be a man.

      Reply
      George says:
      February 9, 2016 at 9:36 am

      You are a fool and an idiot.

      1. Baalke really must be mad at me, since he has sicced you on me so fiercely.
        .
        Dig away in those archives. I could do the same for you, but do not want to waste my time.
        .
        Keep trying, harder.

  17. Nice article today in the PDYNT by Cam Inman. Precise, professional, and more importantly, not peppered with the juvenile negative “schtick” that accompanies most of Coach/GM GC’s articles. The difference between these two writers is galactic. I don’t know much about Cam’s sports background, but I’ll bet it’s more than JV Soccer and track! Thanks Cam. Very refreshing.

        1. ‘ Adrian Colbert, who drew praise from Saleh for Saturday’s 7 snap cameo that ultimately ended in an ejection’.
          .
          He got praise for being thrown out of a game?

          1. Sleb
            * “He got praise for being thrown out of a game?”
            * Don’t get you silk panties in a bunch Sleb, have a snickers. Let it melt in your mouth.

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  19. OMG! I had 2 Pitt tickets to Iron Maiden’s Legacy Of The Beast tour, and was just informed by Eddie that I’ve won First To The Barrier for myself and my wife! Rocket, if you’re out there, Run To The Hills!

      1. Hope so. A couple posts under another name sounded like him. I quite enjoyed the banter back and forth with him.

        Here’s hoping MWN and BrothaTuna are doing well, and return too. Miss those guys.

        1. How come no one missed Sebbie when he left; after posting his personal info online, then proceeding to blame his wife?

  20. Matt Barrows
    @mattbarrows

    49ers’ d-line slowly getting back to health. Ronald Blair back at practice, Nick Bosa going through very light rehab work.

    Other ore-practice items:
    CJ Beathard in uniform, no George Kittle or Levine Toilolo, Dre Greenlaw in a blue, no-contact jersey. Does not appear serious.

    1. Chris Biderman @ChrisBiderman 20m
      #49ers had their last practice of training camp in Santa Clara. Jimmy Garoppolo at one point threw interceptions on five straight attempts. Five straight. In order: Jaquiski Tartt, Tavarius Moore, Richard Sherman, Ahkello Witherspoon, and Moore again.

      Reply: Once more, for Moore!

          1. Yup, two things seem to be shaping up here: 1. Garoppolo is a failure
            2. Hurd is a quitter
            Time to write this season’s epitaph.
            Will the wonders ever cease!

          2. Or…..bundle together 5 on-the-bubble players and a partridge in a pear tree to the Vegas Vagabonds (aka Raiders) for Nathan Peterman.

  21. Looks like Garopollo threw 5 INTs in practice today. Is the secondary stepping up or is Garopollo just having a bad day?

    1. Improving secondary and LBs, lack of effort by receivers, poor route running, tipped passes, Jimmy going bad, OL failing, DL improving… I’m confident Grant will pinpoint the reasons for the debacle perfectly.

  22. Safe to assume Sam Young–the 9ers new swing tackle–was on the practice field? Wonder how he did. Maybe he was on rollerskates…

  23. Matt Barrows
    @mattbarrows

    Garoppolo rallied at the end with a two-minute drive. His last throw at the goal line was nearly picked by Tartt but squirted through and into Jordan Matthews’ hands.

  24. Hey Grant….

    In today’s good/not so good write-up, use emojis to indicate the pluses and minuses. Many to choose from…

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