The good and not so good from 49ers training camp: Day 2

Posted By on July 28, 2019

San Francisco 49ers quarterback Jimmy Garoppolo, right, drops back to pass at the team’s NFL football training camp in Santa Clara, Calif., Saturday, July 27, 2019. (AP Photo/Jeff Chiu)

SANTA CLARA – Here’s what stood out during Day 2 of 49ers training camp. Keep in mind, the players wore helmets but no pads, and I didn’t watch seven-on-seven drills because I watched two-on-two pass-rush drills instead. Wouldn’t you?

THE GOOD

  1. The defense. Dominated the offense for the second practice in a row. Shut down the run game and the pass game, and gave up only one long play – a 15-yard run by Tevin Coleman. The defense also forced a fumble, recovered the fumble and intercepted Jimmy Garoppolo
  2. CB Ahkello Witherspoon. He’s the one who intercepted Garoppolo. This happened during seven-on-sevens (I know, I said I wasn’t watching. I caught the replay). Witherspoon was covering Dante Pettis, who ran a slant. Witherspoon jumped the route, intercepted the pass and returned it for a touchdown. Later during 11 on 11s, Witherspoon broke up another short pass for Pettis who ran a curl route. Yesterday, I prematurely wrote off Witherspoon. Today, he was the best cornerback on the field. Sorry, Ahkello. My bad.
  3. CB Jason Verrett. Played right cornerback for the second-team defense and didn’t tear his Achilles or ACL. Also didn’t get targeted by the offense.
  4. LT Joe Staley. Faced Nick Bosa twice during two-on-two pass-rush drills and stonewalled him easily both times. The day before, Bosa beat Staley three times. Good competition so far.
  5. DE Dee Ford & DT DeForest Buckner. Faced Mike McGlinchey and Mike Person during two-on-two pass-rush drills and destroyed them twice. During the second rep, Ford ran around McGlinchey, and McGlinchey fell over.
  6. DE Nick Bosa. Struggled during the pass-rush drills, but stopped running back Matt Breida for a three-yard loss during an inside-zone play. Bosa already seems like one of the 49ers’ best run defenders along the defensive line.
  7. LB Fred Warner. Stripped the ball from Tevin Coleman during a run play, and Malcolm Smith recovered the fumble. Warner has a chance to be special. He is the quarterback and leader of the 49ers’ defense.
  8. QB Nick Mullens. Took all of the second-string reps for the second day in a row, and completed six of eight pass attempts during team drills. Mullens has been the 49ers’ most consistent quarterback through the first two days of camp.

THE NOT SO GOOD

  1. QB Jimmy Garoppolo. Played well Saturday but not today. Completed only 5 of 12 pass attempts during 11 on 11s and consistently missed Deebo Samuel over the middle when Samuel ran a dig route. Garoppolo’s passes sailed high and away from his receivers when he missed. He still has lots of throwing talent, but today he played like a 27-year-old rookie.
  2. The offense. Failed to generate any rhythm in the run game or pass game for the second practice in a row. The wide receivers didn’t consistently beat press coverage or man-to-man coverage, the running backs didn’t have much room to run, George Kittle didn’t get many targets and the starting quarterback seemed rusty coming off a torn ACL. Otherwise, the offense was brilliant.
  3. The discipline. The defense committed six offside penalties, the offense committed two turnovers and rookie wide receiver Jalen Hurd started two fights. Still, Kyle Shanahan said nothing on the field and disciplined no one. More on Hurd below.
  4. WR Jalen Hurd. Started a fight with Dontae Johnson by aggressively blocking him downfield during a run play, then started a fight with Antone Exum Jr. by doing the same thing a few plays later. Hurd’s effort would be commendable in a preseason game or a fully-padded live-action practice, but the players weren’t wearing pads. The goal of a non-padded practice is to protect your teammates. Hurd could have injured somebody – that’s why the defense surrounded him and chased him off the field. Solomon Thomas seemed particularly irate with Hurd, who has caught two passes and started two fights since training camp started. Hurd should learn how to play receiver before he throws any more punches at his teammates.
  5. WR Dante Pettis. Beat Richard Sherman with an out route during 11 on 11s, but couldn’t beat Ahkello Witherspoon. And when Witherspoon jumped Pettis’ slant route and intercepted Garoppolo during 7 on 7s, Pettis didn’t fight for the ball – he gave up on it. Garoppolo scolded him after the play.
  6. WR Deebo Samuel. Caught zero passes during 11 on 11s and struggled beating bump-and-run coverage. He and Garoppolo don’t have chemistry yet, probably because Samuel missed most of OTAs and all of minicamp.
  7. CB Richard Sherman. Broke up a pass intended for Joran Matthews, who was running a deep crossing route. Impressive play by Sherman. But, Pettis spun him around before making a 12-yard catch near the sideline – Sherman has trouble covering Pettis because he’s so shifty. And Sherman gave up three or four yards of separation to Marquise Goodwin, who was running a deep curl route, but Goodwin dropped the pass. It will be interesting to see if quarterbacks target Sherman more frequently next season. He seemed vulnerable today.
  8. LB Kwon Alexander. Participated in 11 on 11s for the first time with the 49ers, and started at weak-side linebacker. But, he bit on a play-action fake and gave up a 15-yard catch to Goodwin. Alexander obviously is rusty after coming off a torn ACL.
  9. RT Mike McGlinchey. Fell down trying to block Dee Ford during two-on-two pass-rush drills. McGlinchey had trouble blocking Cassius Marsh last year during training camp, so it makes sense he would struggle blocking Ford. McGlinchey still has lots of room to improve in pass protection.
  10. RG Mike Person. Jullian Taylor “pancaked” him, meaning Taylor knocked Person onto his back and flattened him into a pancake. Person has not played well the first two days of camp. Unfortunately, his backup is injured.
  11. G Joshua Garnett. Dislocated his thumb. Garnett hasn’t been healthy for two years. Last season, he dislocated his toe.
  12. RB Tevin Coleman. Produced the offense’s biggest gain of the morning, but also produced the offense’s only turnover of 11 on 11s. Coleman has struggled to find running room during practices this offseason. To be fair, so have all the running backs.

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  1. G Joshua Garnett. Dislocated his thumb. Garnett hasn’t been healthy for two years. Last season, he dislocated his toe
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    This guy would have been cut by most teams by now. Two words are keeping Garnett on the 49ers. Alma mater.

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    2. The only thing it has to do with his alma mater is the fact that he was named consensus All-American at Stanford, and more importantly, was also the Outland Trophy winner in 2015 (given to the best college football interior lineman [on offense or defense] in the United States as adjudged by the Football Writers Association of America).

      Noteworthy Outland Trophy recipients: Aaron Donald, Ed Oliver, Quinnen Williams, Ndamukong Suh, Orlando Pace & Jonathan Ogden. In fact, Garnett is the first OG to win the trophy since 1997, so he has talent, but I think it’s fair to question his heart at this point. His conditioning has been below average, as as his intensity, and that has contributed to his poor fit for this Kyle’s blocking scheme. Freddie P. Soft!

        1. A little confusing to see Coleman on the bad list, after reading numerous reports that he had a stand out practice today, including this tidbit from team reporter – Keiana Martin: “Tevin Coleman made several explosive runs during Sunday’s session.”

          I’m also a little surprised D.J Reed failed to make the good list despite a stand out day lining up on the outside for a change, and showed well, with some very sticky coverage.

        2. Sorry, but even though he was a Baalke pick, and seems to be injured a lot, I have not given up on him.
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          Maybe they should experiment, and put him at his best position to succeed. Of course, that is once he becomes healthy, although I have seen O linemen wear casts and the injured member is taped up. It all depends on how injured he is.
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          So far, the O line struggles are hampering the offense. They need to move players around until they find adequate players, like a center who is not driven back on roller skates.
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          I very easily could say they should purge another Baalke pick, but I do think he has talent, and could help the team.

          1. Hello Mr. Seb: I hope I am stilly our favorite Bryn Mawr College student! I agree regarding Garnett. I so liked him coming out of Stanford. Perhaps his heart has never been with it. He is well educated and has many career paths. I also fear we are very vulnerable at the center. Wesburg disappointed and was overpaid last year. Now he is out until the regular season. We need to obtain a credible back up if not a starter!

            1. Allie, nice to see your post. Hope to see you post more. I am getting excited about this season, but agree, the interior O line needs help.

  2. I know it’s only Day 2 of Camp but Garnett dislocates his thumb with no pads? I would trade him and if they cannot find a partner cut him.. Enough is enough..

    1. Joshua Garnett – one of the last useless remnant’s of the Trent Baalke era (his 2012 & 2013 drafts were absolutely brutal, and 2014 wasn’t a whole lot better).

      I’m sure they’d love to find someone to take Josh off of their hands. At this point, I wouldn’t be surprised if they let him go for a future 7th round pick, but even that is unfortunately easier said than done. It would almost certainly have to be a team that runs downhill, power concepts. I’m curious to see if they attempt to “showcase” Garnett early in the postseason, but he’ll need to be healthy enough get onto the football field, which has been an major issue during his relatively brief career. When it comes to the final 53, Garnett started training camp on the outside looking in, and he’s looking more and more like a full on bust. Thanks Trent!

      1. They will never be able to trade him, if he does not play well. The other teams will just wait until the 53 cuts.
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        If he does play well, he will show his worth to the team. Do not blame him for Baalke. Baalke is ancient history. One could also focus on Armstead and Buckner, if a total purge is undertaken.

  3. So which safeties are practicing on the first-team defense? You’ve been notably silent on that position group.

  4. CB Jason Verrett. Played right cornerback for the second-team defense and didn’t tear his Achilles or ACL. Also didn’t get targeted by the offense.
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    Yet.

  6. Thanks for the report Grant. Out of curiosity, who was lining up where along the DL today in base and nickel? Also, in base, how wide have the DE’s been lining up?

            1. vaguely remember….de on the right is wider than the te…on 3rd and long its that look the wide nine…..solly is second string rotating in on the second string … he explained how Buck plays nose on some downs and Arms and Day nose on other downs along with other personel change,. then they get kicked out on other plays…such as 3rd downs when Bosa and Ford go out wide.

    2. Base: Ford, Buckner, Day, Armstead.
      Nickel: Ford, Buckner, Armstead, Bosa.

      The second-string DL also got some reps with the rest of the starters today.

      In base, the strong side DE has been consistently been playing Wide 9 (outside shade of TE), and the weakside DE has been playing 5-tech (outside shade of offensive tackle).

      Today against the two-back sets, the Wide 9 jumped inside to the C gap after the snap and spilled the play outside to the OLB/SS rather than playing D-gap contain.

      2. Thanks Grant. I find it interesting they have moved Buckner from RDT to LDT, though it also makes sense. The wide-9 typically uses more of an over front so the LDT will be the 3T. Also gets him next to the 49ers best edge rusher.

        I was expecting Jones to get the nod at RDT in base. Surprised to see Day has mostly been with the 1s.

        Has Solly been playing edge in base with the 2s, or DT? I know he has been playing DT with the 2s in nickel but don’t recall reading anywhere how they have been using him in base, outside of one of the writers saying he has still been getting moved around a bit much like Armstead.

        1. Thomas has been playing DE in base and DT in Nickel. I also find it interesting the 49ers are going with Day at NT. He, Ford and Alexander probably will hurt the 49ers base run defense but improve the base pass defense.

      3. Today against the two-back sets, the Wide 9 jumped inside to the C gap after the snap and spilled the play outside to the OLB/SS rather than playing D-gap contain.

        Sounds what Tartt outlined in his OTA presser.

      4. good observations

        because the 49ers play a single high coverage, they can get away with playing the weak side end tighter and with less or no containment responsibilities because Saleh/Wood’s coverage spins a safety down to the weak side edge to act as containment (or back up containment) on the weakside.

        I thought you said a few weeks ago that the Niners were using Wide 9 Under fronts against the 2 back sets. Was the Wide 9 a backer in the Under Front or was it an Over/Stacked front? Having the End play spill with a scraping linebacker/safety as an overhang is typically how a wide 9 defends option reads. He will have the gap and the QB while the outside edge flowing backer/safety will have the pitchman. The single high coverage provides the front more versatility in how it will defend option plays because of the extra man in the box.

  7. Overall a decent breakdown of the second practice session.

    The good:

    – detailed stats of the individual results from 7-7 and 11-11.
    – appears to know who all of the players are

    The bad:
    – a couple of grammatical and spelling errors
    – jumps to conclusions too quickly after two days of camp.

  8. Sounds like the same crappo…weak Oline and WR core not good. Glad we have Mullens we all know JimmyG won’t last…

    1. I think, depending on the NFL officiating, this will be a low scoring close game in the 4th quarter type of team.

      Unless the refs throw a million flags like they did at the beginning of last aeason.

    1. We have high standards on this site. Posters who do not know the English language, and do not demonstrate their acuity and precise diction, should not be throwing snark.
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      However, I have just corrected posters, without any judgement, and they seem to acknowledge their mistake, and everyone moves on. No big deal.
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      If they can only point out imprecise grammar, That just shows that they have little else to talk about.

  10. If Witherspoon can keep Verrett on the bench, it’ll go down as a win for Lynch because it validates not only his draft pick but also lends credence to his belief that the secondary wasn’t as bad as advertised….

  11. If Exum and D Johnson , I don’t even know why they brought him back , don’t like to be blocked , I think it’s time they moved on to a new career

  12. “Jullian Taylor “pancaked” him, meaning Taylor knocked Person onto his back and flattened him into a pancake.”

    Are there flattening options other than pancake? Flattened him into a [__fill in the blank__]….

  14. Grant, how does Bosa compare to former 49er Andre Carter? Also any signs of him developing chemistry with any other D lineman or linebackers in the new wide 9 defense?

  15. I LOVE what Hurd did.
    Give me a break on the non padded BS.
    Soloman Thomas took issue lol.
    Exum, Johnson and Thomas need to get their noses to the grind stone and stop whining.
    I LOVE that Hurd is playing this aggressive.
    If what Shanahan says is right-then shame on them indeed. This is FOOTBALL.
    In the age of toxic masculinity this rules. I’m going to go eat a steak and buy a Hurd jersey.

    1. Exum, Johnson and Thomas should just grow Hipster beards, rock some man buns and move to Portland. They sound like a bunch of whiney hippies.
      I think Lynch and Thomas have some kind of Man Crush thing from College. Like literal. They should of traded him and drafted Williams but Lynch likes keeping him close by.
      They probably schtoop each other at the Santa Clara Marriott every Tuesday.

  16. OL problem especially at guard position Lynch better start figuring who he can bring in other wise it’s going to a wasted season. Got to protect them qb

  18. Hurd got into 2 fights? Way to build cohesion and team camaraderie.
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    Maybe he does not realize this, but he is attacking a team mate, not the opposition. If he does this in non padded practices, imagine what he will do in a game.
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    He needs to play smarter, and grow up. Getting into fights is macho, but is not smart. KS needs to sit him down, and explain how things work. If KS does not say anything, and it continues, he is not acting like a head coach should. Fights in practices are a disruption, and leads to bad blood. It is a good way to destroy locker room dynamics and does not enhance the culture.
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    No wonder he had red flags, and was ranked 413.

    1. according to Barrows, Hurd was aggressively blocking Exum and it was Exum that threw the first punch.

      1. Exum had good reason to throw that punch. Hurd is not the victim, especially after the second time.

        1. why did Exum have good reason to throw a punch?

          Here’s Barrow’s Account:

          The first involved Hurd and cornerback Dontae Johnson. A few plays after that, Hurd was persistently blocking safety Antone Exum when Exum started shoving him in return. The confrontation devolved into blows from both players and they had to be held back by teammates.

          Did Hurd go too far? He didn’t appear to be doing anything shady prior to the scuffle with Exum, at least. He was just blocking vigorously well down the field and doing so right up until the end of the play, perhaps a little beyond it. That also was the case on Saturday when he and Exum again came close to a tussle.

          1. ‘Perhaps a little beyond it’. That sounds like he crossed the line, and the defense’s reaction was understandable.

            1. shoving and punching for being aggressively blocked just a little after the whistle…does not sound like crossing the line. Maybe it coming from a rookie pssed off Exum and Johnson…but I haven’t heard anything that warrants starting a fight over.

              2. The guy who thinks receivers should just fall down after the catch and didn’t see either play but pretends he knows…..
                Talks too much about everything and says nothing.

              3. GEEP, of course, it is just my opinion, but you seem to want to justify fighting in practices. That is pretty brain dead.
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                Chuckie, falling to the ground to prevent getting his clock cleaned, after making enough yardage for a first down, is just a strategy to prevent injury while protecting the ball so it is not fumbled. I see it done all the time. The Giants receivers did that to defeat the Niners in the 2011 NFCC Game. Guess you do not care if the safety blows up the receiver and separates him from the ball.
                Guess you think players should struggle to stay upright, get gang tackled and stripped of the ball. I do not.

        2. I’m with AFFP,
          If it happened as described by Barrows it’s Exum that needs to learn to hold his temper. Players are taught to block to or slightly past the whistle. If he can’t handle this in practice, then he will cost the team big in games. (Imagine 3&15 Seahawks run the ball for a 4 or 5 yard gain… then the flag… personal foul first down Seahawks).

          1. I’m fine with football tussles.
            The competition level is high and players will (and should) do the extra things to boost their value.

            I certainly don’t condone fighting against teammates, but I do like that a tussle here and there can add some spark to practice and put players on notice that they should bring their best to every practice.

            Also, I doubt that any veteran player(s) takes kindly to being showed up by a rookie.
            Sounds to me like Hurd is playing at a more aggressive level – that’s a good way to create a more aggressive culture, which hopefully carries over in real games.

            This team has been getting “punk’d” since the departure of Harbaugh. It’s time to get a little “dog” back in the ranks.

          2. making enough yardage=non football guy talk, or nerd
            gaining enough yardage= man who understands football

            I mean……the guy did admit hes on her to correct grammar…….the exact opposite behavior of a football guy……maybe that’s why his football grammar is atrocious

      2. That’s what I read as well… Hurds was working hard but didn’t initiate any after the whistle aggression.

        It seems a bit odd though… defenders should be damn near unblockable without pads on. So I have to wonder what the spirit of the drill was?
        I hated it when our second string would play Captain America when we were working on technique. We would go 3/4 speed just trying to get our positioning and hand placement right, they knew the play that was coming and would fire off directly into the play gap full tilt.
        Today being a padless practice, I would expect it to be more technique oriented… and thus the reason the D was so pissed.

        1. I want to hear what Exum and Johnson say. If they are at fault, I will take back my statements.

          1. you’re not going to get to hear what they have to say….I don’t think we’ve heard what Hurd has to say about it. All we have is the accounts from the beat writers that saw it happen.

            1. You may be correct, but if Exum and Johnson admit they were at fault, I will retract my statements, because they will be asked about it, unless KS snips this in its bud. I want to hear Hurd explain his actions, too. It is part of their job description, to be asked questions.
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              I just think fights are counter productive, in general, no matter who started it.

          2. Sleb:
            * “GEEP, of course, it is just my opinion,” .Yes it is Sleb, but at least you got something right!
            * “but you seem to want to justify fighting in practices. That is pretty brain dead.”
            “But you SEEM TO WANT”. As you said, it’s just your opinion and your still not sure!
            * You have a habit of commenting on things you’re NOT SURE about…….. * FYI: What I want Sleb, is good hard hitting football like grown men play. Something you never learned playing women soccer at UCD!

    2. There is a fine line between playing really aggressively, and playing dirty. Hurd crossed the line.
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      One fight can be excused as an aberration.. 2 fights is way beyond stupid. It goes to the character of the player.
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      Hurd cannot explain to the team how having fights will help them win. It destroys team unity, and is a huge waste of precious practice time.
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      Hurd must apologize to the whole team, admit his immaturity, and promise to clean up his act. I am even more disappointed in him, and think they should have spent that pick on a Guard. Michael Deiter, Nate Davis and Connor McGovern were selected in the third round. Also, Tackles Trey Pipkins, Chuma Edoga, Bobby Evans and Yodney Cajuste were selected in the third round.

      1. Now, teams will be goading Hurd, trying to get him to fight. They might do it to all the WRs. How is that helpful to the team? It just sounds like Hurd made it harder to win.

        1. Seb

          As Jack Lambert is quoted…” maybe we could put dresses on them…? ” Cheers Jalen Hurd ! This guy is a rookie trying out for a ‘Professional’ football team…As much as Kyle says it, He was probably laughing up his sleeve while lamenting the play….What would be said if Exum had been John Lynch in his playing days ? Football is a rough and tumble game played by rough and tumble men… In that it happened twice, tells me that HE WAS ONLY CLAIMING HIS GROUND. … ! Dollars to donuts says that Hurd got kudos from all of the receivers in the room. Exum and Johnson are in the same situation….fighting for a job…Remember Russ Francis, and Monte Stickles, and Q…We loved them, but their opponent only did begrudgingly…Let’s keep the dresses on “the Gold Rush”….

          1. Great way to build team cohesion and establish player camaraderie. :(
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            Hurd got no kudos, because ALL of the receivers will pay for his transgressions. The Offense is struggling, and Hurd just ticked off the Defense? John Lynch would want to hit Hurd as hard as he can, and put that tackle on the highlight reel.
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            Hurd just painted a big target on his back. Maybe Hurd should wear a dress because players are not supposed to hit women. ;p

            1. Seb

              What can I say…?…I certainly expected your post…I had been wondering if you were going to change your allegiance to the badminton championships…now I can say IMHO…it would be a wise move. TEAM COHESION my butt…every established player on the team wants to know that ALL the players have got his back, and blocking downfield is something that has been missing for years….John Taylor, Freddie Solomon, and Jerry Rice were some of the very best at it…bring it back…

              Incidentally, your closing statement was purely stupid….IMHO…

              1. OR,
                How’s it going my friend.
                I’m with you on this. Sure, team cohesiveness is great and sometimes takes working together in the trenches to develop as opposed to the first few days of practice.

                I remember the Chicago Bears having a few issues between the offense and defense.
                Buddy Ryan had his defense going hard after the offense in practice while Ditka had his offense doing the same against the D.

                That Bears team was tough as nails coming out of TC and took it out on opposing teams during the season on their way to a Super Bowl victory.
                Point: I like to see a little fire between players in TC.

              2. Ore, you kinda led with your chin, mentioning dresses. IMHO.
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                I certainly hope you expected my post, because you addressed me.
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                Fights are counter productive, and do nothing to build team unity and camaraderie. Case in point, Witherspoon intercepted a ball that was intended for Hurd, and he tossed it back to Hurd, as a stinging rebuke. I bet Hurd heard the message, loud and clear. Guess Hurd united the whole defense against him, but did nothing for the offense.
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                Incidentally, I hoped to get on your good side by touting Tyree Robinson, the Duck, as a backup Free Safety. I included him on the 53, out competing Colbert.

            3. “Hurd just painted a big target on his back. Maybe Hurd should wear a dress because players are not supposed to hit women. ;p”.
              ~ Seb

              Where did that come from? Have to admit that I missed the logic on that one, Seb.

      2. While I will withhold judgement on Hurd being at fault (I would probably lean towards him being overagressive as well) I second your opinion in regards to McGovern over Hurd. I believe having guard could have helped the Oline greatly.
        From my experience it would have allowed the center and poorer guard to help each other more, thus shoring up the interior of the line. This in turn would help Jimmy who might be a bit skittish setting his feet when he first returns to action, not to mention possible give them more push in goal line scenarios.

        1. I did not witness the altercations, but TWICE? Hurd made rookie mistakes, so he should not be ostracized or cut, but he should make amends.
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          Wonder what Grant will write further about this. He was not happy Hurd got into 2 fights.

          1. Per Barrows.

            Did Hurd go too far? He didn’t appear to be doing anything shady prior to the scuffle with Exum, at least. He was just blocking vigorously well down the field and doing so right up until the end of the play, perhaps a little beyond it. That also was the case on Saturday when he and Exum again came close to a tussle. In that instance, they separated on their own and Hurd walked back to the veteran safety and shook hands as if to say, all is well.

            If anything it would seem he goaded the defender into starting the fight.

            1. I gotta be honest, I don’t hate this.
              I like that Hurd is playing aggressively and stirring things up.
              He’ll be told to reign it in by coach and the vets, and will likely do so accordingly.
              All this story tells me is that he’s putting in max effort and has some feistiness to his game. This team needs that.
              I don’t see this being a problem going forward.

              1. Yes, I do not see this as the end of the world. Fights do happen. Players are competing hard for a roster spot.
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                KS should just turn this into a teachable moment, and move on.
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                However, Hurd is not the victim. He was chased off the field by the defense, so they must have thought Hurd was playing dirty. Aggressive fair blocking does not usually cause fights. Going for the knees will get any player upset.

            2. Eric Crocker also stated he thought Hurd was just blocking hard and didn’t seem to be playing dirty.

              He also stated he thinks thats just how Hurd is wired… he goes allout every time. Which is something that some vets don’t like as they are just trying to get through camp.

              *Of Note* Crocker also stated Deebo didn’t appear to be getting much separation overall and was kind of dogging it. However, he withhold judgement for now as the sample size is small, but it bears watching.

              1. I suspect a lot of it has to do with the fact that it was a non-padded practice. Guys worry about getting hurt because there livelihood depends on being able to play (look what happened to Jimmy Ward – okay, not the best example). It’ll be interesting to see if this gets taken any further.

                I listened to part of Crocker’s periscope yesterday and checked him out. Apparently, defensive back Crocker wasn’t good enough to stick with any NFL teams beyond a few months. Still, I was disappointed to hear him say that he thought Tim Harris did not belong in the NFL. I had (and still do through training camp) high hopes for Harris.

              2. Apparently, defensive back Crocker wasn’t good enough to stick with any NFL teams beyond a few months.

                Those who can’t do, teach. However even making it to the nfl makes him light years ahead of the other reporters in terms of positional knowledge.

      3. LOL
        No he didn’t
        This is so asinine
        Hurd blocking aggressive is fantastic
        Pads or not
        If in fact Exum or Johnston threw the first punch-THAT is no excuse
        F the finesse BS
        This is football. What a joke to have Hurd take anything but praise.
        Matt even said he was just blocking hard. This has inspired me to buy a Hurd jersey-and I guarantee it-Johnston and Exum won’t make the final 53-Hurd will
        BANK IT

        1. No wonder he was ranked 413, and had red flags.
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          You would be the first to whine about all the injuries, dooming the season. I want them to play smart, and avoid injuries.
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          If Hurd is overly aggressive, and gets a concussion, he may disappear like a puff of smoke.

          1. football guys want tough players with heart, that block to the whistle……
            seb wants smart guys that give up! its smarter to back down than fight!!!! you cant make this shi up!!!!!!!!!LMAO!!!!!!!! seb thinks hes gods gift to this blog!!!! what a joke! effen clown!!

            1. It is smarter to avoid fights by playing hard, but fair, up to the whistle. Once the opposition knows the Niners will fight at any slight, they will be purposefully goading them into losing their cool, for PF flags and ejections. The smart move would be to be imperturbable, insouciant, unflappable and stoic. They should remain cool, calm collected, and focus on defeating their opponent.
              .
              If the Niners allow themselves to be negatively affected, they will lose focus and discipline, which leads to making unforced errors.
              .
              Of course, those concepts are totally foreign to you. You like to fly off the handle, and start hurling insults, which really reflects badly on your character.

      4. Sleb
        * “Hurd must apologize to the whole team, admit his immaturity, and promise to clean up his act. ”
        * How about YOU apologize to the who blog, admit your a bloviating buffoon and clean up your act?
        * A two – three week vacation would be a good start!

  19. Sebbie….

    Check this. Training camp fights widespread… OMG!
    https://www.nbcsports.com/philadelphia/philadelphia-eagles/nfl-notes-fights-break-out-several-training-camps

    From your lofty perch as the league’s foremost moral authority, please demand that the NFL stand down this week to discuss training camp scuffles. Insist that all players and coaches share in multiple group readings–you know, the usual material.

    Before you unleash your sanctimonious posturing on me, consider moving on from the Hurd matter. He’ll get the word from his coaches, as will the entire team. It’s training camp. Admit it, you kinda like the NFL’s violent nature–not over-the-top criminal mayhem, but good old stick-in-the-eye, ‘I’m better than you’ physicality. Your posts over the last few years reveal that.

    1. Grant said it best. Fights may result in injuries, the last thing the Niners want.
      .
      Fights are violent. They are distractions, They are counter productive.
      .
      Boys will be boys? That is what they said to justify things before the Me Too movement.
      .
      I love the strategy, teamwork, fantastic skillsets, amazing plays. Rooting for a team I love. Yes, I acknowledge it is a violent sport, but I do not glorify it, and am glad they are trying to make it safer.
      .
      I hate the fights, dirty plays, DV, horrid officiating, CTE, GMs like Baalke and the life long injuries.

      1. Hahaha, what a wussie! Seb should follow badminton or quilting. Tell us how that makes you feel Princess. Does someone need a hug? Maybe an Emotional Support bunny?

        1. Oh, big macho man. They should do padded practices twice a day with full contact? Great way to create more injuries.
          .
          Injuries doomed last season. Guess you do not want them to learn from their mistakes.
          .
          Guess you are a fan of fighting, and love players like Foster, Alldone Smith, Greg Clark, Ray Rice and Greg Hardy. They like fighting against women.

          1. If you had ever signed up for PeeWee or middle school football you wouldn’t have made it through your first practice without quitting and filing a harassment complaint against the tackling dummy.

            1. I had played soccer since JR high, high school, UCD and club soccer until I was 40, and my ankle forced me to retire.
              .
              Being the water boy does not make you a football player.

              1. Well, I’d suggest you not watch video of today’s practice. It’s full pads. Way too violent for your sensibilities. Don’t watch the scrimmages, just play cribbage.

              2. Water Boy, I am relying on Grant, to be my eyes and ears. I also peruse the various other Niner blogs, to get a fuller viewpoint.
                .
                In cribbage, I learned from the best. My father was a master at pegging. With you, I would insist on playing cut throat, so I could take all the points you missed while counting your hand.

              3. All fathers were masters at pegging, Seb. How else do you propose we got here?

                Never rely on just Grant’s eyes. He could need lasik and he might not realize it. Better to get more eyes so you can get a more precise perspective with which to formulate an opinion….

        2. Chuck E:
          * I was thinking more like tiddlywinks, except Sleb could break a fingernail and be rushed to ER
          * Sleb, remind us, do you have to fall down to keep from getting hurt in tiddlywinks?

            1. Sleb
              * “Geepers, tell me your Bona fides.”
              * Give me one good reason you need to know Sleb, aside from your need to psychological project?
              * When are you going to tell us if your father was an adjunct or tenured professor, and provide the blog with some of his work?
              * Admit it Sleb, he’s just another delusional manifestation of your narcissistic need to compensate for your inferiority complex…….

              1. Geepers, you demanded to know my bona fides. I told you, but now, you refuse to establish your own bona fides, which means you have none.
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                Inferiority complex? You refuse to answer a simple question, but consider yourself superior?
                .
                No, that is a hallmark of a coward, ashamed of his past.

  20. Vernon Hurd got in a fight? LOL……if only Dingleberry were around for this..prob drop his trousers…LOL “can’t win with him , can’t do it”.

  21. Wow. Two days of practice and Hurd is a bad influence? He’ll get penalized every play for blocking downfield? Sounds to me like both these fights were started by the defensive players.

    Which is a good thing. Right? Our opponents would get the PF call.

    So, THIS is where you’ve been, AFFP. Long time . . .

    1. Unca Chuck? wow! that’s a blast from the past! I’m here sometimes and on ninersnation to talk 49ers. all the other blogs have moved around and changed. lynch isn’t at sfgate, barrows isn’t at the bee….this used to be maiocco’s blog years ago. good to see you man….always good to have another dedicated niner fan around commenting.

    2. It appears very few on this blog are interesting in discovering the role the DBs played in Hurd’s egregious, shameful outburst. So easy to call out that over-drafted thug Hurd. Poor DBs…they was ambushed. Oh the humanity….

      1. Evidently the two plays were both run plays so no need for excessive blocking hitting downfield…Hurd I have heard (pun intented) is a trash talker big time. So prob just some smack talk and it got outta hand is all…but yes twice is not good…and yes as CFB points out how do we know Hurd didn’t get a cheap shot somewhere and was just playing off it?….And of course Shanny never laid out how the team should practice of course so there ya go. Shanny never intervened or yelled at Hurd on the spot he let it happen= so Shanny has some blame as well but he is a third year coach and learning as he goes.

        1. Bill Belichick has a rule that states if a player gets into a fight, he gets sent off the field.
          .
          He thinks that if a player fights in practice, it should be like a fight in a game. The player gets ejected.
          .
          He also told them that he has no time to waste, and fights are a waste of precious practice time.
          .
          Belichick is pro active. KS does nothing. Guess which HC do I agree with.

          1. weather or not the head coach intervenes probably depends on how significant the fight is.

            guys get into shoving matches all the time. maybe throwing a punch or taking someone down in practice crosses a line? At some point in training camp, teams bring in ex-officials to watch the team for penalties. maybe if those guys notice it (which in a game would be a penalty) then disciplinary action would need to be required?

            1. Throwing punches and rolling on the ground fighting, is not a tussle or shoving match.
              .
              KS allows fighting, and players diving on the ground? Maybe he should coach smarter, so there are less injuries.
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              KS should order Hurd to stop trash talking, because it motivates the opposition.

              1. Throwing punches and rolling on the ground fighting, is not a tussle or shoving match

                I never said that. I said that throwing punches an rolling on the ground may be a way of setting a defining bar on rough extra-curricular behavior that warrants discipline.

                I do not believe we’ve determined that Shanahan allows fighting or diving on the ground. To my knowledge there have been no injuries associated with fighting…so I do not know how it can be associated with the team’s injury problems.

                Trash talking is part of sports. If anything, goading idiot players into a fight works to your advantage.

              2. KS did not say a word to Hurd,
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                Trash talking is OK, if you can back it up. Hurd is a raw rookie, learning a new position.
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                Trash talking on a 4-12 team is hubris.

          3. Still hatin on KS because of Kap………………………let it go, Sebs-just let it go……

        2. how do we know Hurd didn’t get a cheap shot somewhere and was just playing off it?

          We have accounts of what happened from both Barrows and Eric Crocker. Both said it looked like Exum and Johnson started the fights. If those guys are going to start fights over trash talk?….that’s on them and it’s really stupid.

          I do not understand the desire by some to paint Hurd as such a bad guy with all this unsubstantiated speculation.

          1. Let us hear from Exum and Johnson, why Hurd made them so upset. Players do not fight over a clean block. They fight after a player goes for the knees, or past the whistle.
            .
            Hurd is a trash talker, after being accused of quitting on his team? He is an unproven rookie dissing veterans? Hurd is dumber than I thought.

            1. So Hurd got into the heads of ‘veteran’ NFL DBs? Cool. What does that say about Exum and Johnson? Are they that easy to trigger?

              Sebbie… Any 9ers from the glory years talk trash? Hmmm? Romanowski? Haley? Harris?

              1. If they can back up their talk with rings, they can talk all they want. Hurd is an unproven rookie who has ticked off the entire defense.
                .
                In Hurd’s case, his trash talking is counter productive, and not warranted, until he accomplishes something.

              2. Well Sebbie, looks like opponents will be licking their chops, ready to goad the 9ers defensive backfield.

                You should thank Hurd for uncovering this flaw–9er DBs are vulnerable to verbal abuse.

              3. Last season, the Niner DBs had to take the trash talking, because they could not stop a cold.

            2. Wait I thought Sebs post draft take was Hurd was a wasted pick, would never be physical because of his concussion history? Now he’s complaining he’s too physical? Congrats dude, you win this weeks “Grant Cohn They Can’t Do Anything Right” award.

              1. Donald, maybe he took too many blows to the head, and is confused. Maybe Hurd should realize if he starts fights by being overly aggressive, he should expect overly aggressive hitting against him. To me, that is counter productive, and may lead to more concussions.
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                I said they should confine his play to being the X- WR, and not send him over the middle. I certainly would not tell him to block so aggressively, he will start fights. I certainly would not utilize him as a TE or FB, because he would have to block a lot more.
                .
                You should just stick to politics, because your football knowledge is lacking. Try not to psychoanalyze too much and just tell your shrink about it, the next session. He will listen to you.

              2. Seb, If any of us had real football knowledge, we wouldn’t be internet nobodies, displaying our lack of football knowledge, 1000 characters at a time. I can admit it, does your narcissism allow you to?

          2. Bingo.

            Exum and Johnson–I’m quite sure because I know everything–are squeaky clean on this episode. They were just being pro DBs, and along comes an over-drafted (nod to Sebbie) crazed rookie, intent on whacking ’em.

            Next up, Wishnowski vs. the long snapper.

          3. I do not understand the desire by some to paint Hurd as such a bad guy with all this unsubstantiated speculation.

            Byproduct of the environment we live in. All you have to do is paint someone you don’t like or disagree with in a negative light, and the national media is complicit, which in turn influences social media….

            1. I do not make my assessment in a vacuum. Hurd had red flags and was ranked 413 for a reason.

              1. What were Exum and Johnson ranked? C’mon Sebbie. For some reason, ranking is important to you. So, do you due diligence. What were Johnson and Exum ranked?

              3. by what measure was Hurd ranked 413th?

                I said at draft time that too many people use the general draft analysis guides as gospel.

                Could Shanahan have gotten Hurd after the 3rd? Probably….maybe even as late as the 5th or 6th round. Was it an egregious reach? Probably not….there were other scouting services that had him rated as a 4th to 5th round prospect. Much of that was dependent on if whomever picked him was going to be able use him properly and take advantage of any potential mismatches Hurd might create.

                I do not understand the hate on Hurd.

              4. Draftek had him ranked 413. Maybe your beef is with them.
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                I do not hate him, but he quit on a former team, had knee surgery, had concussion issues, was a reach draft pick and now has been the instigator in 2 fights, and has not caught a TD pass, while trash talking as an unproven rookie.
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                Maybe there were superior alternatives available. I bet the scouts did not like all his red flags.
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                I hope Hurd grows up, gets smarter, and becomes a better team mate, so I can root for his success.

              5. The reports by Barrows and Crocker suggested Hurd did not instigate the fight, and so you’re now perpetuating a false notion to shape your narrative about a player you don’t like.

              6. Again Sebbie…. What Draftek rankings did Exum and Johnson have when they were first drafted?

                Hello, Sebbie? Rankings for Johnson and Exum?

              7. Hmmm, Exum and Johnson just randomly chose Hurd to fight? No, Hurd’s aggressive blocking made them mad. That instigated the fights.
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                Usually, fair blocking does not instigate fights, but going for the knees does every time.

              8. Seb,

                My “beef” isn’t with Draftek….they can rank Hurd however they want…and there’s probably plenty of data by them to support their assessment. My point to you is that it’s just one subjective opinion. It’s not gospel….so repeating…”Hurd was ranked 413th” when that is a singular and incomplete view of a player seems to be a very negatively biased view.

                To further illustrate your bias…you continue to mention the two fights that other sources have said he did not start. why are you continuing with this idea.

                As for Hurd in college. He got badly injured from a concussion that took a while to heal. He decided he wanted to play WR. Tenessee did not want him to play WR. So he transferred to a school where he could play WR. Explain to me why that is such an egregious insult to his team?

                From his NFL.com draft profile:

                He approached his coaches about a position change due to the head injury, and when they declined to move him, Hurd decided to transfer.

              9. Cassie, quit trolling. If you want to produce their draft rankings, go ahead.
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                All I know is that they are veterans who have played for years, and they never, ever, quit on a team.
                .
                Hurd has yet to play a snap in an NFL game. With his concussion issues, Hurd may disappear like a puff of smoke.

              10. AFFP, Hurd was asked to play in a game, and refused. If that is not quitting on a team, I do not know what is.
                .
                Sounds like his concussion issues were extremely serious, which is a red flag.
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                Draftek ranked him at 413. I did not assign Hurd that ranking. You have every right to produce another draft big board and show me where they ranked him.
                .
                Hurd did instigate those 2 fights, with his aggressive blocking. No one disputes the fact that Hurd was aggressively blocking. The main dispute was whether it was dirty, or past the whistle. The defense chased Hurd off the field for a reason.

              11. Sebbie…

                YOU _chose to introduce Draftek ranking into the Hurd scuffle. You called out Hurd’s rank, yet didn’t address those of Exum and Johnson.

                Tell us why it’s vital to note Hurd’s rank, and not that of the involved DBs…

              12. Cassie, because 413 reinforces my argument. According to them, Hurd should have been an UDFA, since the draft only went to 256. Feel free to produce your own stats to bolster your argument.
                .
                You seem to think that draft rankings of the DBs matter. I do not. Exum and Johnson are veterans, so they have proven they can play in the league. Hurd is an unproven rookie who thinks his trash talking makes him smart.

          4. Allfor……….

            To understand Sebs, you have to BE Sebs…………….9ers did not draft whom Seb wanted them to-it didn’t line up with Sebs 10 point plan-and right now, Hurd is the hate-monger.

            It would be Bosa, but he’s kickin arse, so Sebs got nothing substantial on him-yet. Just wait until Bosa gets some kind of injury, any kind–there will be a weeping and gnashing of teeth unlike any other. Its coming…………..

  22. In the way too early to compare but I’m going to do it anyway dept:

    Jalen Hurd has started as many fights as he’s had catches and united the entire 49ers defense in their hatred for him.

    Compated to the guy the 49ers should have drated: Hakeem Butler

    “During one-on-one red-zone work, [Hakeem Butler] made three straight fantastic contested touchdown receptions. One he went up to snare with one hand, the other he made while being hit going inside, and the final one (pictured) he high-pointed the ball. You can see Butler’s tools.”

    https://www.azcardinals.com/news/after-practice-kyler-murray-taking-chances-hakeem-butler-shines

    1. I wanted them to trade back to get another pick, and select AJ Brown, but I also liked Hakeem Butler. He would stiff arm the DB, on his way to the end zone.

      1. Ha! Sebs, you never quit with your grey cloud. First with Bosa but you can’t rag on him for the moment, whupping on Staley as he did. So, now its Hurd…………….except KS liked what he saw after viewing the film. Skirmishes in a football camp?? Proof their filled with hate!

        1. One practice does not determine a player’s fate. Let us see him perform in a regular season game.
          .
          Fights are now called skirmishes? Why not a tussle?
          .
          Fights usually take some animus against the opponent. Proof *THEY ARE filled with hate? It certainly is not love.

    2. Many had Butler as an early 2nd round pick, but he slid to round 4 due to specific reasons:

      Short area burst-Nil
      Separation skill-Nil
      Route running-Poor
      Route tree-Poor
      Route precision-Poor
      Hands-Poor
      Body catches-Yes

      1. Hakeem Butler.
        Size and strength creates matchup problems.
        Long stride with impressive build up speed.
        Climbs quickly on top of safeties from the slot.
        Uses frame to create space at the top of his routes.
        Size length and leaping swing 50/50 balls in his favor.
        Adequate body control in the air.
        Extremely physical with the ball in his hands.
        Rag dolls DBs after the catch.
        8 TDs of over 40 yards over the past 2 years.
        Sudden toe tap near boundaries.
        Frame and strength to stick to blocks to spring his RBs.

        1. Zierlein: Lacks short-area quickness to beat press
          Gets wired to corners in early stages of the route
          Route running is extremely telegraphed on levels 1 and 2
          Rolls into breaks with excessive gather steps
          Labored and heavy getting out of breaks
          Drops on drops on drops
          Body catcher suffers from concentration lapses
          Catch radius doesn’t guarantee he’ll bring it in.

          Zierlein on Hurd’s Pro’s:

          Driven to prove people wrong after move from running back to receiver
          Elite size and length with plus athleticism
          Has physical attributes to drastically improve as a route-runner
          Sways defenders with aggressive head and shoulder fakes at route turn
          Understands route leverage
          Future jump-ball winner in red zone
          Uses size to squeeze out additional yards after contact as receiver
          Has length and frame to bully-finesse cornerbacks
          Long arms stab throws both high and wide of his frame
          Courageous to catch and secure in traffic in the face of inevitable punishment
          Used as running back at times and could offer unique roster flexibility
          Can batter defenses on short yardage once he gets momentum downhill.

          Now compare the two’s pro’s and you’ll see Hurd’s ceiling is higher.

          1. I respect Zierlen’s opinion so I usually read his player profiles for the players the 49ers draft. Zierlein definitely makes it sound like Hurd has higher upside than Butler but you conveniently left out that Zierlein projected Butler to go in Round 2 with a Prospect Grade of 5.74 and Hurd to go in Round 3 with a Prospect Grade of 5.69. According to that analysis, Zierlein rates Butler as a better player than Hurd.
            In other analysis I’ve read from Zierlein he notes that Butler is adept at making tough contested catches and turning them into TDs which helps him overcome some of his weakness in speed and route running. Sounds like the perfect Red Zone target Shanny has been missing.

          2. Butler does not have all the red flags, though. Gotta look at the player in his totality. The good, bad and ugly.
            .
            I did not list the Butler weaknesses, because You dwelled on them.
            .
            Hurd’s weaknesses-
            Will need to expand route tree and learn to play outside the numbers.
            Leggy with below average sort area quickness.
            Could struggle to defeat press coverage early in career.
            Has not learned to var route speeds yet.
            Hits his turns at high speed, and drift up the embankment.
            Not a natural pass catcher.
            Needs to be catch ready sooner to prevent passes from eating him up.
            Lacks experience tracking and stacking down field.
            Disappointing effort as blocker (especially if it gets him into fights).
            .
            Also, quit on team, dissed HC, concussion prone, knee surgery, learning new position, trash talker who gets in fights and ranked 413 on the Draftek Big board.

            1. I didn’t dwell on Butler’s red flags. I used them to explain why he went from a round 2 prospect to a round 4 draft pick. His ceiling is limited compared to Hurd’s. You highlighted Butler’s qualities, yet they weren’t enough to get him drafted on day 2.

              1. Rag dolling DBs is a good trait. I notice Hurd does not possess that skill.
                .
                I think Butler had too many drops, which lowered him on many draft boards, despite his other skills.

              3. By, Seb I think you’ve got it. Bad hands for a possession receiver is a recipe for disaster.

              4. Jerry Rice was criticized for all his drops, early in his career. Thankfully, he made adjustments, and became a HOFer.
                .
                The Niners play the Cards twice this season, so we can compare receivers.

              6. I know, I compared the drops. Jerry Rice dropped the ball a lot during his rookie year, but eventually learned to hang onto the ball. Butler can do the same thing, but I will not predict he will play for 20 years, or have 2 HOF QBs throwing to him.

        2. Coulda woulda shoulda…..the draft picks have been iffy with this new regime thus far..its evidently clear..

          1. Most draft classes are iffy for the most part until you’ve had time to see them play for more than a year or two. The 2017 draft featured a big mistake with Foster, but it also provided multiple players who have been starters and/or provided depth behind the starters. Still don’t know what we have with Thomas, but if he shows any thing near what they saw when they draft him, this will turn out to be an excellent draft class considering what they’ve gotten from Kittle and Brieda and potentially from Witherspoon, Taylor and Colbert. Two soon to determine what we have in the 18-19 classes but they will be starting the first 3 picks of that draft who showed some good and bad last year and others further down the list (Reed, Harris, Street, Taylor) who also have some serious upside.

            It gets tiring reading the constant negativity on this blog which is why I don’t come here much, but I still don’t get why some of you can’t relax and be patient with some of these kids. There is some serious talent here that is going to be the foundation of this team for years to come.

    3. Houston, I think it’s too early to say anything like that. A big part to Hurd’s game is his toughness and team-man-ship, if that’s a word. Yes, some on this blog criticize him for leaving UT, but there’s another side to it. I believe Hurd was trying to show the coaches how determined to win he is without the ball. This may turn off some players but that’s a small risk to this team. The guys who live to play football will understand.

      1. You might be right George. Probably nothing to these fights. Just a young man that needs to grow up. Alternatively, these fights might be indicative of a bigger problem with Hurd. He might be a kid that just doesn’t understand how to be a good teammate. A guy who can’t see the line between being a strong competitor in practice and a guy who injures teammates in his effort to make himself look better. Hurd has a history of abandoning teammates in the middle of the year so there are red flags with him that are undeniable. Bill Walsh used to say, Players don’t play for Coaches. Players play hard because they love their teammate and don’t want to let them down. Hurd may not understand that lesson yet. We shall see.

        1. Houston, it’s possible I’m reading into this because I like the kid and am projecting what he can add to the team. Wouldn’t be the first time I was wrong. So, yes, we’ll see. But I’d like to post a couple of reasons I actually admire him for leavi:
          1. He had a good chance of becoming a highly drafted RB and signing a big guaranteed contract.
          2. He had just one remaining season to demonstrate to NFL scouts that he could play at a high level in college at a new position. Now that’s really rolling the dice.
          It took a ton of dedication, and he succeeded, and I wonder if it’s ever been done before. This kid is an amazing athlete with a ton of drive and a load of self-confidence.

  23. It is such a waste, to be distracted by the fighting, while ignoring how well the Defense is doing.
    .
    The O line seems to be the weak link, and their struggles may hamper the running and passing game.
    .
    The Richberg PUP designation came out of the blue, and has affected the interior O line.
    .
    I hope KS will pit the first string Offense against the third string Defense, to get the Offense going.

      1. Geepers, you seem to embrace that quote, except brilliance is the last thing I think of, when reading your screeds.

        1. Sleb
          * “except brilliance is the last thing I think of” Sleb + think = oxymoron….heavy on MORON
          * THINK 2 WEEK VACATION…..MORON!

            1. Sleb:
              * “Hi, Prime.” * You already used that one Sleb, then said I wasn’t….Remember? * Guess who’s intelligence you just insulted DOTAR? HINT: Uses his daddy to prove his intelligence….except his daddy disowned him!

              1. I knew you could not refrain from calling me a moron. You are as transparent as glass.
                .
                With the Primo Lame-o poster gone, this site was actually civil. GEEPers re-started up the attacks, so I knew it was you all along. Just another hate filled burner account.
                .
                I said it was not you, when you agreed with me, but I was just being facetious.

    2. Seb, the O-line is always behind the D-line early in camp. It catches up in a few weeks or so…………..

      You know this.

  24. Fights, did anyone say fights. Fights in training camp never heard of such a thing, geez…

    1. Agree.

      If Hurd had sprinted across the practice field, helmet in-hand, and started whacking Exum with it from behind–yeah, that might be cause for strong discipline.

  25. Chuck E says:
    July 29, 2019 at 7:23 am
    The guy (Seb) who thinks receivers should just fall down after the catch and didn’t see either play but pretends he knows…..
    Talks too much about everything and says nothing.

    sebnynah says:
    July 29, 2019 at 7:37 am
    GEEP, of course, it is just my opinion, but you seem to want to justify fighting in practices. That is pretty brain dead.

    REPLY: Guess Seb thinks rookie WR’s should “FALL DOWN” to prevent injury and never practice their blocking assignments. That way when the ‘real bullets’ start flying they are out of position, or on the opposite side of the field, having never practiced the play.

    I say let the repetition continue until those assisnments are second nature with the rookies come gametime, SEBRAIDAH!!!***

    1. Just look at the heat Pettis takes for ‘being timid’… Didn’t a few become incensed that Pettis didn’t try to wrestle a ball away from a defender? Wonder what Hurd would have done.

      1. If more Niners players start displaying a Hurd mentality, won’t the herd be disrupted?

  26. Chuck E says:
    July 29, 2019 at 7:23 am
    The guy (Seb) who thinks receivers should just fall down after the catch and didn’t see either play but pretends he knows…..
    Talks too much about everything and says nothing.

    sebnynah says:
    July 29, 2019 at 7:37 am
    GEEP, of course, it is just my opinion, but you seem to want to justify fighting in practices. That is pretty brain dead.

    REPLY: Guess Seb thinks rookie WR’s should “FALL DOWN” to prevent injury and never practice their blocking assignments. That way when the ‘real bullets’ start flying they are out of position, or on the opposite side of the field, having never practiced the play.

    I say let the repetition continue until those assisnments are second nature with the rookies come gametime, SEBRAIDAH!!!***

        1. TrollD, yes you are a sorry excuse for a Raider fan.
          .
          Please learn to spell before writing screeds. Double posting just shows how desperate you are to diss me.

          1. Sleb: July 28, 2019 at 11:12 pm
            * “However, I have just corrected posters, without any judgement” Anyone believe Sleb’s BS?
            “and they seem to acknowledge their mistake, and everyone moves on. No big deal.” ROFLMAO!
            * “If they can only point out imprecise grammar, That just shows that they have little else to talk about.”
            Mirror mirror on the wall, who the biggest hypocrite of all?

            1. Geepers, you seem fixated. Try posting about football, although it will expose your total lack of football knowledge.

              1. Sleb:
                * Geepers, you seem fixated. Try posting about football, although it will expose your total lack of football knowledge.”
                * So tell us again Sleb, how many years you played football? ZERO, ZILCH, NADA?
                But you’re an expert because you’re daddy’s a professor at UCD (so you say), and you played second string on the women’s soccer team……but was placed on IR for a broken finger nail…..

              2. Geepers, there must be a reason why you are not touting your bona fides.
                .
                Ah, I get it. You are a woman, with a lot of time on your hands.
                .
                Ma’am, it is alright. You can keep posting all you want. Your posts must make you feel better about yourself, since your life sucks so much.

  27. Grant,
    Could you keep your eye on Ronald Blair for me. He rushed the passer very well in a part time role last year. I could see him having a breakout year rushing the passer this year in a backup role.

    1. Sleb:
      * “Geepers, there must be a reason why you are not touting your bona fides.”
      * Yes there is Sleb. Unlike you, I don’t feel a need to prove myself! I know who I am and I’m comfortable in my
      own skin……
      * Sleb: “Ah, I get it. You are a woman, with a lot of time on your hands.”……Is that the best you can do sleb? 
      * Seeing is believing Sleb, let’s get together and have a beer? I’ve got $100 that says I’ll change your mind in 30 seconds, or less! You down Sleb, or just a keyboard warrior?
      * Sleb: “Ma’am, it is alright. You can keep posting all you want. Your posts must make you feel better about yourself, since your life sucks so much.” Really Sleb, Reduced to psychological projection? Try again, I win!

      1. You are so rattled, you posted as a reply to Old Coach. Thousand apologies OC, I hoped to leave you alone, and not have him impose his snark upon your post.
        .
        Geepers, when you declare victory while losing, it is a sure sign of delusion.
        .
        Guess you have embraced the title of coward. Establishing your bona fides is not hard to do, but it is impossible, if you have none.

  30. so far the front 7 is looking good but im worried about the safety spot. if they can’t pressure or sack the QB, then who ever is playing safety will get exposed big time

    1. I think safety is everyone’s chief concern.
      I’d like to hear how T. Moore and M. Harris have looked so far. Haven’t heard a thing about the safeties yet.
      Is Tartt healthy?
      Grant?

  31. To all the Butler fans:

    Shanny knows receivers.
    4th round evaluation by all 32 teams.
    Kelvin Benjamin’s ceiling.
    Zierlein player comparison, Danario Alexander. Who? Exactly.
    Zierlein player comparison for Hurd, Terrelle Pryor.

    Butler is limited. Hurd, not so much.

  32. Matt Barrows
    ‏@mattbarrows

    Jason Verrett, who had been wearing No. 34, is now wearing No. 2. No. 34, Joe Perry’s number, long has been retired. No. 2 previously belonged to K Jon Brown. Obviously, Verrett will find another number after cut-down day.

  33. we should of drafted Derwin James, Mike is a good RT but James would of been the play maker needed in the secondary. Cause then we would have every level on the defense set-up nicely. The weakest link right now is the safety spot unless they sign somebody

    1. Moore has FS written all over him, and I expect he’ll start at some point t his season when Ward goes down again.

  34. Cam Inman
    @CamInman

    • Garoppolo beauty 70-yard TD to James on 1st pass of 11s
    • First session in pads, hardest hits: MSmith, Kittle, Harris
    • McGlinchey d. Ford in 1v1; Ford dominate 11s
    • Staley vet day
    • RB Wilson (calf)
    • Goodwin didn’t test Sherm deep
    • Moseley INT CJ to end

    1. Good update!

      Perhaps Hurd’s 413 Draftek ranking means squat on 29 July 2019…

      1. At least we know that this scuffle was started by the DBs……So hurd must be doing something right!

        1. No, it was started by Hurd’s overly aggressive blocking. Everyone admits that.
          .
          Exum and Johnson did not decide to fight over nothing.

    2. Faith, you mean the dozens and dozens of speculative posts above, player character assassination, wailing over who the Niners should have taken is just a bunch of ill informed nonsense? From this group? Say it ain’t so.

      1. Yup, KS may have been ‘proud’ of Hurd, but Belichick would have kicked him off the field.
        .
        Guess which HC has 6 rings?
        .
        Hurd is so liked by his team mates, Witherspoon intercepted a ball meant for Hurd, then threw the ball and hit Hurd in the chest. That action spoke louder than words.
        .
        What a great way to build team camaraderie. Hurd certainly has inspired the defense.

        1. Guess which HC has 6 rings?

          Guess which HC has been a HC for nearly 20 years and which one going into his third.

          If your early onset senility hasn’t turned you into a blubbering mass of protoplasm by then, let’s check in about 20 years from now and see how KS has fared. Deal?

    3. Faith+9er:
      B, b, but Sleb parroting Grant’s post #4: “WR Jalen Hurd. Started a fight with Dontae Johnson by aggressively blocking him downfield during a run play, then started a fight with Antone Exum Jr. by doing the same thing a few plays later.”
      * Sleb: “Hurd got into 2 fights? Way to build cohesion and team camaraderie.” “There is a fine line between playing really aggressively, and playing dirty. Hurd crossed the line.” He did NOT fall down….Right Sleb?
      * Sleb: He (Hurd), “needs to play smarter, and grow up. Getting into fights is macho, but is not smart. KS needs to sit him down, and explain how things work.” The Genius knows how ALL THINGS WORK!
      * Sleb: “Hurd must apologize to the whole team, admit his immaturity, and promise to clean up his act. I am even more disappointed in him, and think they should have spent that pick on_________(fill in the blank)….blah, blah, blah…
      * O-for. Not too bad Sleb…….TRY AGAIN!
      .

      1. KS used the fights as teachable moments? Hmmm, he must read these posts. Glad he took my advice. ;p

          1. Haha!!!!!!! Sebs, your STILL furious that KS and Lynch didn’t draft the way you wanted them to! Still seething……….

              1. Sebby–have you noticed that everybody on this blog, according to you, needs to “do this, or do that” or something of some kind—except you?

                I see this blog as comedic relief, have no intention of growing up………..in fact, I cancelled an appt with my proctologist so I can be with you! (I believe I used that gag an you before……..I got a million of ’em)!

  36. Grant…

    YouTube video issue with your WR vs CB clip.

    Video unavailable
    This video contains content from SME, who has blocked it in your country on copyright grounds.

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