Top 5 offensive coaches in the NFL

Wednesday, I ranked the top-five defensive coaches in the NFL right now. Today, I rank the top-five offensive coaches.

1. Sean Payton – He’s been the Saints’ head coach for seven seasons. Before that, he was the Giants’ offensive coordinator three seasons. Except for his first year in New York, Payton’s offense has ranked top-ten in yards every season he has coached. The one season his offense didn’t rank top-ten, it ranked 13th. When it comes to scoring, his Saints’ offense ranked first in 2008 and 2009, and second in 2011.

2. Andy Reid – Nine-of-his-15 seasons as a head coach in the NFL, his offense has ranked top-ten in scoring. Last season, which was Reid’s first in Kansas City, the Chiefs’ offense ranked 6th in scoring. It ranked dead last in scoring the season before Reid arrived.

3. Marc Trestman – Four-of-his-nine seasons as either a head coach or an offensive coordinator in the NFL, his offense has ranked top-three in scoring. When he was the 49ers’ offensive coordinator, his offense ranked first in 1995 and third 1996. When he was the Raiders’ offensive coordinator, his offense ranked second 2002. Last season, which was his first as a head coach in the NFL, his Bears’ offense ranked second.

4. Chip Kelly – His first season as a head coach in the NFL, his Eagles’ offense ranked fourth in scoring, second in yards, first in rushing yards per attempt and second in rushing touchdowns. Kelly also turned Nick Foles into a Pro Bowl quarterback. Foles led the NFL in touchdown percentage, yards per pass attempt and passer rating last season.

5. Bruce Arians – He can turn any offense into a good offense immediately. In 2007, his first season as the Steelers’ offensive coordinator, he improved Ben Roethlisberger’s passer rating from 75.4 to 104.1. In 2012, Arians’ first season as the Colts’ offensive coordinator, he coached rookie quarterback Andrew Luck to a Pro Bowl season, and Indianapolis’ offense ranked 10th in yards after ranking 30th the season before. In 2013, Arians’ first season as the Cardinals’ head coach, Arizona’s offense ranked 12th in yards after ranking 31st the season before.

Who do you think are the top-five offensive coaches in the NFL?

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  1. That is a pretty good list. I would put Greg Roman in the bottom five. He could have Joe Montana, Jim Brown and Jerry Rice, Tony Gonzales at their peak, the best offensive line in football, and we would still ranked 29th in the league.

            1. I like our power running game (in the top 5 in NFL)and now we’re set up with the best group of receivers in the Harbaugh era, can’t wait to see what Kaep and Roman can do with this group. If they can stay away from a repeat of not making the last 5 yards in the super bowl then I’m backing Roman 1000%.

      1. Greg Roman will never be a head coach in the NFL and he is not looked very highly, if he was he would be a coach already. Let’s settle because he is better then Jimmy Raye woo hoo

    1. Hey Neal,

      You may want to start looking at other stats other than just passing yards….maybe like points scored or something like that.

      Atlanta ranked 7th in passing but 20th in scoring…I would say that’s bad. But using your standard that would make them the 7th best offense.

      1. Leo,

        I am just looking at the bad playing calling in clutch times, the last two years that sent us packing. We have the guns but they seem to be blank when it counts.

        1. That’s fine and dandy but this ranking isn’t about who comes through in the clutch its about the most productive and efficient offenses and though we are not in the top 5, IMO, we are up there.

          But I understand where you’re coming from….it sucks

    1. Oh my gosh LOL, no credibility with jshaw. I hope my opinion does not affect my credit score and hurt me in the job market if I decide to look at future opportunities.

  2. I remember the crowd chanting “No More Sweeps” when Marc Trestman was the 49ers OC. It’s nice to see how he grew and developed through his career.

    1. I couldn’t stand Trestman when he was Niners OC in 1995/96. He never attacked the deep middle of the field.

    1. Rombaugh has finished 11th in points scored all three seasons. The one season in which the wide receiver corps stayed relatively healthy, 2012, they finished 3rd in the league in yards per play.

      1. The 49ers have been top 5 in points scored per drive in all 3 seasons under Rombaugh.

        1. No, that’s point differential. The 49ers tied for 11th in points per drive last season. The Bears were second behind the Broncos.

          1. Thanks for the correction. I was looking at it on my phone while on the move.

        2. This is a surprise. Are you sure you’re not imbibing, Jack? Seriously, though, imagine what they could do if their offense became less boring.

          1. The 49ers offense is boring if you’re not a big fan of that type of football. I’m a fan of the ground and pound style so it doesn’t bother me. It’s efficient and produces winning football.

            1. I’d be foolish to knock their success, especially given the fact that last year they almost had home field advantage with Crabtree out a good part of the season. But don’t you think that, against the better defenses, they lack creativity on third and short and in the red zone, or do you think the reads are there and it’s simply Kaepernick not making them? I think that if they could improve in those two areas, they’d win a string of Super Bowls. As it stands now, their margin versus Seattle, with its 12th Man, is too thin. I think they helped themselves in the last two drafts and am excited about their prospects, but would like to see them less conservative.

    2. Hard to rank Jimmy high, when the offense was ranked in the bottom the last couple of years.

  3. Don’t have a problem with this list, the exception would be of Arians?

    McCarthy would be my #5

    1. McCarthy’s offenses were middle of the road until he had an All Pro QB in Rodgers though.

  4. Clearly Jim Harbaugh and Greg Roman deserve to be #1 on this list. Any coach who can get to the NFCCG with Alex Smith as the starter is a freaking genius.

    1. True, but that is while Peyton is on the field. We will see how he can do from the sideline at some point in the future hopefully.

  5. Very strong list Grant. Mike McCarthy and Norv Turner are tough to leave out but I really can’t knock the ones you’ve put in there.

    1. Thanks, Rocket. I’m not a big McCarthy fan, but I respect Turner very much.

          1. I give McCarthy credit for tweaking Aaron Rodgers’ mechanics. But I don’t think the Packers’ offense would miss a beat if someone else ran it.

              1. He should get even bigger credit for making Matt Flynn look like an NFL QB.

              2. Very good point Jack. McCarthy system works. He almost made Tolzien look half way decent a couple of times….almost

            1. But I don’t think the Packers’ offense would miss a beat if someone else ran it.

              The same thing was once said about Payton before his yearlong suspension.

  6. What, no love for Jimmy Raye?!

    Good list. Jim Harbaugh is up there as an offensive coach too, he’d be close to top 5.

  7. Bowman restructures, and so it begins. Not like the 49ers to mortgage the future, but then again, Kaepurnicus is the future……

    1. It’s not mortgaging the future if the player in question is young (check) and expected to be on the team for the remainder of his contract (i.e., the restructuring is unlikely to result in dead money). I take this move as a sign that the 49ers expect Bowman to return to form and earn his contract. That’s good news in my opinion.

      1. To me, it’s an obvious move planned with Rogers Pacific Coast Savings Day to sign Kaepernick to a big deal……

  8. I don’t care much for this ranking stuff but I’d definitely put Harbaugh-Roman in the top 5 ahead of Kelly. They have effectively utilized their offensive resources to implement their vision of physical, ball-control offense. Stats don’t matter much, wins do.

  9. 1 – Darrell Bevell
    2 – Mike McCarthy
    3 – Sean Payton
    4 – Mike McCoy
    5 – Chip Kelly

    Rombaugh somewhere in top 10.

  10. Ranking of Team Offenses by Points per Play:

    Season: 2011
    1. GB: 0.547 points per play
    2. NO: 0.488
    3. NEP: 0.479
    7. SF: 0.387

    Season: 2012
    1. NEP: 0.457 points per play
    2. NYG: 0.443
    3. DEN: 0.438
    6. SF: 0.429

    Season: 2013
    1. DEN: 0.506 points per play
    2. DAL: 0.459
    3. CHI: 0.439
    7. SF: 0.410

    1. Is there a clue in there as to the team’s plans regarding Bethea? Ward’s 5th year option salary will be either at a safety or CB level, to be determined based on which position he plays most in his 3rd year. What chance Bethea is gone after two years to have Ward play safety in year 3, assuming Ward proves he’s up to it?

      1. He’ll be gone. Ward is a beast!!! Charles Woodson at safety. I’m calling it here first.

      2. I think that it will largely depend on how good of a CB Ward can become Scooter. I remember when you and I were chatting about him before Bethea that I said that he looked more like a CB than a SS. If that holds true, then I would think that the team tries to find Bethea’s eventual replacement in one of the next two drafts.

      3. thats a good question scooter. watching ward’s bio after they drafted him…i began asking the same Q. What i like about him: he seems to have great ball skills ( able to find it in air, unlike culliver) and be able to finish …get the int. ( unlike rodgers) and he stick his nose in there! his not afraid to tackle rb’s near the line of scrimmage. Those are the traits i want in my safety’s! Gimme ball hawks that can break it up or pick it off! Not guys that lead the league in personal fouls!

        But at his current weight of 195… i cant see him playing SS…..unless he gains 20 lbs. over the next 3 years. And i bet he just might.
        In the meantime, i see him adding an element if he ends up as the slot cb. In addition to man or zone coverage, i see him being the 3rd safety in a 3 deep zone. This 3 deep seems to be the rave of the league. But its not easy to find 3 good S and if you do, you kinda tip your hand if you have that 3rd S as opposed to a 3rd cb. Ward, able to do both, wont tip our hand.
        If he’s playing slot cb for the nest 2 yrs though, maybe he develops into a helluva cb! A sure tackler, ball hawk with good hands!!! He seems to be the perfect height/weight combo for cb under this FO/ Coaching staff. A brock/brown clone.

        This kids gonna be fun to watch. How his game and body develop are gonna determine his fate. IMHO i think he could be a pro bowler at all 4 positions in the secondary.

      4. I think the plan is obvious. The SS job is Ward’s as soon as he bulks up and earns it.

        1. The plan will change if Ward develops into a difference maker as a CB.

        2. Oh I definitely agree that is the eventual plan. I thought they might try and get 3 years out of Bethea with Ward as the starting nickel, and they may well do that, but it is interesting that his 5th year option will depend on which position he plays in year 3. Makes me think Bethea’s deal may be seen by the 49ers as a 2-year deal in reality.

        3. I think another relevant question is – do the 49ers consider the nickel to be a CB? I know they see it as a very different role to the outside CB position (which it is). And a few teams are now using safeties in that nickel role – it isn’t exclusively for CBs these days.

          If Ward plays nickel in year 3, does that qualify him as a CB for his 5th year option?

          1. It depends on how they use him Scooter. It’s true that Rogers was used in the slot, but he had the skill set that allowed him to play at any CB position, and I think that is what the team envisions with Ward’s versatility and is the main reason why they invested a first round pick on him.

            1. I don’t think they have plans to use Ward on the outside. I think Ward is going to be playing strictly inside as the nickel, giving the 49ers their own version of the “Big Nickel” – even though Ward isn’t particularly big.

              1. Ward may start there, but he has the versatility to play at any of the CB positions ala Rogers, and it may be that way come game day what with Donatell being his coach.

        4. I think the plan is to shift Eric Reid to SS and allow Ward time to grow into the FS role. Reid is taller and bigger, which makes him an upgrade over Whitner in seam (TE) coverage, while Ward is faster, has better range and ball skills, and can cover wide receivers. Plus, Ward likened himself to …

          Ed Reed, the best pure FS I’ve ever seen in the NFL (and at 5’11”, the same height as Ward). It’s almost too perfect.

          1. Without wanting to rehash old comments too much, but I seriously hope they don’t move Reid from FS to SS. He’s a much better player playing a deeper role where he has everything in front of him, and he’s got good range in coverage to play the deeper role. He can play closer to the LOS, but its not what he’s best doing.

            Ward on the other hand is fine playing closer to the LOS and turning with a receiver. He’ll likely need to bulk up a bit to play SS full time, but I don’t think he needs to bulk up too much. He can probably play the SS role at around 200 – 205 lbs because he has an excellent tackling technique.

      5. It seems like a lot of people around here are dismissing Bethea as a retread before he’s played a single snap as a 49er. He’s a pretty darn good safety that just hasn’t been on many highlight reels for laying on big Whitner type hits. He also didn’t have many 15 yard penalty flags that gave the other team another set of downs, and I think that makes him a great replacement for Donte. I’m hoping his best years are still to come here in SF. Let’s not forget Justin Smith, Anquan Boldin, Carlos Rodgers, Glenn Dorsey, just to name a few players in recent years that came over from other teams where they were maybe considered expendable, but then turned in career performances once they donned the red and gold. I’m very excited to have Jimmie Ward here, but also looking forward to great things from Bethea. Maybe a couple pro bowls and a lot of fans at Levi wearing Bethea and Ward jerseys?

        1. Bethea is huge for the 49ers. He had no penalties last year, but what’s really cool, is he can play FS too. An interchangeable piece that will keep enemies guessing what type of coverage. This versatility will make that pre-snap look a little harder…….

        2. bar none, i like Bethea. Its just that he is already in his 30’s no? i think hell be a great player for a 2-3 year window. What i love about Baalke…..he dosent wait around for “needs” to develop. He’s loading the roster up so that in functions like a sharks mouth! When one tooth falls out….a bigger stronger one takes its place!!

        3. I agree there have been some people dismissing Bethea, Bar None. I’m definitely not one of them – I was one of the most excited people on here when we signed him and I think he’s an upgrade over Whitner. I really like Bethea’s game, and I think he’s a good fit for the 49ers.

          My comment regarding Ward’s contract and the implications for Bethea are simply that by having his 5th year salary determined by which position he plays in his 3rd year may be an indication of the 49ers expectations/ hopes that Ward will take the SS spot by his 3rd year (given the 49ers would realise a cap saving if he plays under a safety value rather than a CB value).

          Of course it could also just be they don’t know right now which position he’ll end up in, and for the sake of fairness they will pay Ward based on where he ends up.

  11. Greg Roman sucks!!!! It’ll be more obvious this year with the addition of talent yet his horrible play calling especially in the red zone.
    Kap can make all the throws. He can even read the defense. This will be his second full year as a starter and should be better. Let’s see if Roman can keep up.

    1. Grant

      Has anyone ever determined just who it was who made the ‘final’ calls in the ‘Red Zone….was it Roman…Or over-ruled by Harbaugh?

        1. Rocket I agree and disagree. Sometimes there is no time to change a play depending on game situation. So you have to trust your people and their calls. But I think it speaks volumes that Harbaugh took some of the passing play duties away from Roman this last year….

  12. This blog needs more links posted in the comments section to other sites.

        1. Bruce Dickinson still is one of the greatest singers/performers of all time….Been his number one fan since 1981……

          1. Love me some Maiden…post Dianno that is.

            Not too many frontmen who fly the band around the world either.

            1. Bruce not only brought his opera style vocals and energy to Maiden, but he also contributed with his intelligence. Just a perfect pairing at the perfect time…..

  13. Ahh that never gets old.

    “I got a fever and the only prescription is more Cowbell!”

  14. There are things about the 49er offense that drives me crazy… but I’m not sure about the sources. Roman? Harbaugh? Cumbersome system getting calls onto the field? Always calling two plays per huddle. Lengthy “word” terminology for naming plays?

    For those in the know, do the 49ers have a more complicated system of relaying plays to the QB? Here is what I heard (may not be accurate)…
    – Roman calls two plays
    – The plays are relayed to Harbaugh
    – Harbaugh approves the plays
    – Kaepernick (finally) gets the plays from Harbaugh
    – Kaepernick repeats the two plays in the huddle
    – The offense breaks the huddle
    – The 49ers do their obligatory shifting as a relaxed defense stands there yawning, knowing the 49ers rarely run a play from the original formation
    – As the play clock runs down toward zero, a hurried Kaepernick quickly scans the field, calls out another formation shift (if necessary).
    – The ball is snapped just as the clock hits zero.

    The 49ers seem to put pressure onto themselves, rather then putting pressure onto defenses.

    It looks like Roman has very little time to decide which two plays to call. He might do better in a less cumbersome system.

    1. Brodie,

      Nobody knows for sure because Harbaugh and Roman have never come out publicly and stated what they do. What we do know is that there appears to be two calls and the QB either says let it roll to keep the first play called in the huddle, or kill to go to the second one. We also know there is a problem with getting plays in on time and Harbaugh and Roman admitted they needed to do something about it in the first month of last season. They didn’t clarify what they needed to do, but reasonable minds can speculate that the verbiage needed to be trimmed down or a number system needed to be implemented.

      Roman has as much time as any other OC does to make the play call. Where they run into trouble is when Harbaugh either changes the plays or doesn’t relay them quickly enough to Kap.

      I would hope that doesn’t continue to be an issue, but it’s persisted for the entire time Harbaugh has been the HC so who knows if it will ever be rectified. At least they didn’t take as many delay of game penalties down the stretch as they had previously.

      1. Rocket, thanks for the info.

        I’m surprised Roman has the same amount of time as other OCs. I would think Harbaugh QCing calls would subtract seconds for both Roman and Kaepernick.

        I remember the “let it roll” and “kill, kill, kill” when Alex Smith was the QB. I think he still does it at KC.

    2. The biggest puzzle is never running the play from the original formation (except for two minute drills).

      Don’t get me wrong… I liked the shifting going back to Harbaugh’s days at Stanford. When done right, its true artistry. It creates favorable match-ups for the offense and can confuse a defense.

      But… if a team almost never runs a play from the original formation, the defense stays rested and relaxed (knowing the ball won’t be snapped) while 49er linemen are stuck in their stances.

      Rarely running plays out of the original formation means the second formation is the true original. This adds up to alot of wasted seconds.

      Now… if the 49ers ran plays from the original formation a few more times a game, I think it would keep defenses honest and make the rest of the plays more effective.

  15. Your list is ok, but not great. See I have a theory. Most of the top offenses have bad defenses, therefore they are forced to push the ball more. I believe the top 5 offensive coaches should be the ones that are most balanced.

    Sean Payton is legit. Regardless of how his defense is playing, he attacks. I love that mentality. However he passes too much. So to me his offense is really good, but not great for that reason.

    Andy Reid barely legit. While he is balanced, the only reason his team ranked 6th in scoring is because the defense handed the offense the ball so much. At record pace. Same as the 2011 Niners in fact. And no one was calling Roman an offensive genius that year.

    Trestman is ok. Top five? What are you nuts? Look Trestman is decent, but top five no way. His offenses have had to open it up because their defenses were so bad. He hasn’t won jack.

    Chip Kelly? Really? While his team did play very well down the stretch, there was no book on his QB or his offense. Lets give them a second year before we begin drooling all over Chip Kelly.

    Bruce Arians is legit. He came in and made that group better. He should have been near the top. He runs a balanced offense and he did it even though his defense was very good.

    Harbaugh is close but should not be on this list because his passing game is a notch below NFL caliber. His offense ignores vertical routes on the outside, his offense ignores the flats and ignores the screen game.

    One guy not on this list that should be is Josh McDaniels. One of the most balanced and creative football offensive minds in the game. Balanced, attacks all areas of the field. And runs the offense based on the personnel that it has. If it has Moss, it attacks deep. No WR’s? No problem, they switch to a TE centric offense. They will run the ball effectively inside outside, run draws and screens. Last year was the first time their offense was ever challenged. No weapons to speak of. No veteran receivers and both TE’s gone. Yet somehow they still made the playoffs. ( see Brady )

    1. You made a great argument Bay and then blew it up with the last sentence. Brady is the equalizer and the main reason the Patriots can make due with a dogs breakfast at receiver. McDaniels stunk without Brady in Denver. So how do you give credit to McDaniels instead of Brady?

      1. I didn’t. I took into account the Brady thing. You can’t tell one way or another without inserting another QB into that system.

        Now did McDaniels stink in Denver or did the team stink? I think he’s a bright offensive mind…..

        1. McDaniels completely destroyed Denver in his short time there. I don’t disagree he’s a bright offensive mind, but there are many bright offensive minds in the league. What sets these guys apart in the top 5 is that the system is so innovative and sound that you can run it with any competent QB. McDaniel showed in Denver that he needed Brady more than Brady needed him.

          Say what you will about Trestman, but he took a guy who was Coaching HS ball and made him into a starting caliber QB who got a new contract with Tampa based on his play in Trestman’s system.

          Kelly made a 3rd round pick who was on nobody’s list of top young players, into a top ten QB.

          Reid was installing his offense slowly over the course of the season. In the second half of the season the defense got progressively worse and the offense progressively better. The offense was the only reason they wound up getting into the playoffs and almost pulling off a win in Indy.

          These guys are innovative and figure out a way to make it work no matter who they have. McDaniels hasn’t shown that ability yet.

          1. Rocket,
            McDaniels burried himself politically in Denver. As an OC he is brilliant. He had Marshall who was a head case and he lost the team because he secretly tried to trade Orton. He had no control of his team. So I would say that as a head coach he blew it, but as an offensive mind, I’d rank him top five in a second.

            As far as Reid, yes his defense went flat with injuries in the second half. They needed the offense and the offense didn’t pick up the slack. That is why they finished their last six games 2-4. Although I will agree that the offense and Smith looked unstoppable versus Indy in the playoffs.

            1. KC’s offense in 3 of the 4 losses during the stretch you mentioned put up, 350, 395 and 452 yards of offense and scored 28 and 38 points in two of the losses. The offense started rolling and by the end of the season was really playing well. The problem was the defense fell apart and gave up ridiculous amounts of points.

              McDaniels is a pretty good offensive mind, I agree with you. I just don’t see him as a member of the group mentioned above. He’s shown he can be a great play caller with Tom Brady. A number of others including Charlie Weiss can the say the same.

            2. Am i missing something here……didnt josh Mcdaniels win play off games in denver with tim Tebow!!!??????

              To me, that indicates he’s a very good Offensive mind. Guy wins a division with a Qb that is really a tight end!!

            3. “As an OC he is brilliant.”

              McDaniels was sure brilliant in 2011 as the Rams OC. He’s completely a product of Tom Brady.

          2. THat high school coach QB was the same QB Harbaugh and Baalke brought in a couple of years ago to training camp.

  16. Hey Grant,

    Here are a few items im sure the rest of the fans would be intested in learning in the rare instances that you are able to observe the 49ers practice.

    A comparison between Hyde and Lattimore in regards to how they look running the ball.

    Also I would like to know which reievers gain the most seperation in pracice.


  17. Just a little something I was thinking about before I take off for the holiday weekend. Remember all the media and fans saying the Niners wouldn’t be able to keep more than a few draft picks on the roster and that is why they would trade up? Well looking at the rookies they did select, I see 1, maybe 2 that may not make the final roster.

    Ward, Hyde, Martin, Borland and Ellington are locks. Thomas, Reaser and Millard will be on PUP. So that leaves Johnson, Lynch, Acker and Ramsey fighting for roster spots. Johnson is a good bet to make it unless he completely sucks in TC. Lynch will make it if he shows some glimpses of the talent he has. So that essentially leaves two late round picks as likely PS candidates. That also doesn’t include Skov as an UDFA who has a shot to make the final roster as well.

    Not too bad for a team who supposedly has no room on the roster.

    1. Oh I love this comment, rocket. I too found that line of argument frustrating leading up to the draft (and the same in the lead up to the 2013 draft). I must admit I thought they’d end up with less than 12 picks, but the idea of giving up heaps of picks to move up and only end up with 5-6 guys didn’t sit well with me.

      There is always room to add young talent to the back-end of the roster, with the aim for these guys to be starters down the road. Especially for teams where you know you will be hitting cap trouble in the near future and will need to replace some starters with cheaper guys. The 49ers may have a talented starting roster, and even pretty good backups, but that doesn’t mean those vet backups are guys you’d entrust to be starters down the road. There is room for most of these young guys to make the roster, if they show something in camp.

      1. Right, because replacing the vet backups with Day 3 rookies definitely will put the 49ers over the top.

        How many draft picks end up getting cut?

        1. Do the 49ers really need both Eric Wright and Perrish Cox as backups? Is DeMarcus Dobbs going to turn into a good DL this year? There are veterans on this team that aren’t going to be key backups this year – they’ll basically be the backups of backups. They can be replaced.

          Last year when the 49ers kept 5 vet CBs and let a rookie go was a mistake. They didn’t need 5 vet CBs, and they realised their error a few weeks later and cut Asomugha. Now I’m not saying Cooper was a must keep or that he’s going to turn into a starting calibre CB, but he could easily have been kept last year and I really don’t think it would have hurt the team.

          A team can get by quite comfortably with 33 – 38 vet players, + 15 – 20 young, talented, 1st and 2nd year guys.

          I’m not suggesting all 12 rookies will make the roster – I very much doubt they all will. Nor am I saying they should be kept on the roster over other players if they don’t show they are up to it.

          But as rocket points out there is a very real chance around 10 could/ should make the roster (with 3 on PUP), and Acker may have a chance too as returner. Ramsey will have an uphill battle, but if he’s good enough he can win a spot as the 6th or 7th DL because the guys they have in those spots are not exactly about to light up the NFL. They are just ok backups. If Ramsey shows he can be an ok backup too, why not give him a shot?

  18. Rocket, Bay, and Brodie

    Thanks for the input to my question….what I really wanted to know was Does Greg Roman fall on his spear for JH, rather than defend himself from the abuse he gets too regularly on here….again, thanks

      1. sixty

        The Niners have been VERY popular in Oregon since they were the HOME team back when they and the Rams were the only Pro teams west of Missouri. Some of us have been niner Faithful since the ’40’s, and continue to be today.

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