Eddie DeBartolo Jr. did not get voted into the NFL Hall of Fame last weekend.
Here’s why:
There are many more deserving former players who need to be inducted first. Like Tim Brown and Cris Carter. And Charles Haley, who won five Super Bowls. None of those players were inducted this season. If they didn’t get in, DeBartolo had no chance.
Bill Parcells – a former Super Bowl winning coach who is also on the Hall of Fame bubble – should also get in before DeBartolo.
The Hall of Fame should honor players first, coaches second, owners last. That’s what’s fair. Debartolo never blocked or tackled or game planned or called plays or scouted players or made trades. No, he hired Bill Walsh and got out of the way.
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the football hall of fame will never catch up with all the players who deserve to be in. there are just too many players on a team and they didnt have a mass induction their first year so the first decade was all about oldtimers
Yup.
Also I’d like to know who was so deserving in this Class over that of Haley, Parcells, DeBartolo and A LOT of other players sitting on the outside.
Doleman? I like the guy and will always appreciate what he did for us but over HALEY? Get real people, this year was the bargain bin year to right a few of the wrongs over the last 10 years. Craig should be in. In fact he probably should have gone in with Faulk because he WAS Marshall Faulk before Faulk even strapped on a helmet in the NFL. You can’t name great Backs of the Eighties without mentioning his name.
Jim Plunkett? Parcells is up and only won two Championships? Plunkett did that. Has more than Marino and he’s got the statistics that should have had him in long ago.
The Hall of Fame is turning into a popularity contest. That’s not what it was intended to be. It was intended to be a living testimony to the game. This is not voted on by the Fans, it’s voted on by the guys that are SUPPOSED to be knowledgeable of the game and what the game represents and the players, coaches and owners who best represent the game on the field. And that field stretches out to the owners box.
John Taylor is out but Lynn Swann is in. How bush league is that? Swann was a great player yes, but his knock before getting in was that Stalworth was THE guy. Taylor suffers from the same stubborn reasoning. Taylor was no less instrumental in the success of the 49ers than Rice, Clark or Solomon were. It’s not like anyone is suggesting that Renaldo Nehemiah deserves to go into Canton. This is John Taylor, the guy that set a Receiving record against the Rams, caught a Winning touchdown in the Super Bowl against the Bengals, and would have been a WR1 on any team in the league over the span of time that he played. I know there are things I’m forgetting to add, but Taylor is the Lynn Swann of West Coast Football. None better imho.
100% agree with JT.
JM had the best years of both the best player of all time and the best #2 WR of all time.
JT needs to get in one day.
Plunkett threw more pics than touchdowns and had mediocre regualar season record. No way is he a hall of famer.
Eddie D needs to get voted in at some point. The way he treated the players and coaches was one of the big reasons they wanted to come to SF. He took care of everyone like they were family and did whatever he could to ensure the franchise could succeed.
I agree that there are players who should come first, but they’re going to have to get him in there eventually. There are very few owners that deserve it more than Mr. D.
The bias against Eddie D. east of the Rockies is pretty severe.
Eddie D also betrayed us all by hiring Dwight Clark as GM and running off to consort with crooks to make more $$$, leaving us with Carmen Policy.
Yes, and Pete Rose gambled on baseball. Does not take away from what he did as a player, just as Eddie’s crimes did not take away from what he did as an owner.
If Ty Cobb is in the HOF, there is no reason Pete or Eddie shouldn’t be voted in.
They never vote in a Full class. I don’t understand the mindset that DeBartolo is less deserving than any player. That makes no sense because under DeBartolo’s watch, Bill Walsh installed quite a few of the programs that are currently in use around the league. The minority Coaching program is just one of those currently in use. It’s much better than the “Rooney Rule” and without DeBartolo it may never have happened. No other owner had as much success either.
So while DeBartolo didn’t strap on the Pads or call the plays, he was just as instrumental in shaping the history of the NFL as anyone else that is up for consideration. The 9ers would not have been the first team to hold 5 Super Bowls without him. You’d do well to remember this young Mr. Cohn. ;)
I see your point.
But I would prefer a separate HOF electing method for owners/GM’s. Do they do that already? I don’t think so, but maybe they do.
Players/coaches would still have the skill to play without owners (even if they don’t have a paid job without the owners). Owners don’t have anything at all without the players and coaches. So, I think Grants point is a valid one in this instance.
Yeah actually they allow for one Coach/GM, up to two Senior Candidates and I think they allow up to 7 candidates which would be 10 total. I may be wrong on the last part though.
There are quite a few people who could have filled the induction roster out. Brodie should be one of the senior candidates. Can’t believe he’s still sitting this party out.
Just shows how biased this voting process is imho.
Assuming that then, I see no reason why Eddie wouldn’t make it.
Curious as to why he hasn’t. The voting thing is dismissed by me though if Parcells (east coast, NY guy) is not in yet. He was the defensive version of BW, and fielded some of the best teams to challenge the Niners.
I am shocked he is not in.
“No, he hired Bill Walsh and got out of the way.”
Actually Grant, I would say Eddie did not get out of the way nearly enough.
I believe a big reason for BW’s retirement was because Eddie was so pissed at Bill for losing in 1987, that he wanted to fire Bill. BW could not handle all the pressure Eddie was applying to him, and retired following the Super Bowl victory over Cincinnati.
If Eddie had backed off more, BW would have still coached for awhile longer. He clearly still had the coaching bug in him when he went back to Stanford.
Going into the players locker room and throwing chairs… is not getting out of the way. lol
Yup yup.
And besides isn’t that what owners are SUPPOSED to do? Hire the Footbal guys and get out of the way?
Still as I pointed out without DeBartolo to give the official okee dokee, there are quite a few programs that are in use in the NFL today that would never have happened. Walsh started these programs because of how he was treated by none other than Paul Brown. DeBartolo doesn’t hire Walsh who was BLACK LISTED by Brown, those programs DON’T exist. Without Walsh; Bellicheat, Billick, Green, Marriucci, Gruden and a whole Tree of coaches doesn’t grow and the NFL as a whole doesn’t either.
DeBartolo is more deserving than some people can possibly imagine. But I guess you hadda be there or were watching intently for all those years to grasp the full concept of what DeBartolo achieved as an owner. :\
I think he went back to Stanford because he enjoyed the teaching aspect of the game enough to draw him back to the game. Can’t say that there is no pressure as a College Coach.
DeBartolo though kept Walsh from walking at the end of the ’82 season though. So for all the pressure he put on Walsh, he also guided the man too. Bill Walsh was a perfectionist and ’82 was anything but perfection. A 3-6 record even in a Strike shortened year was not Walsh’s idea of turning in good work.
Policy related this not too long ago before the vote. Walsh wasn’t going to back down, but Eddie D talked him in off the ledge of full on resignation.
I always wondered if BW would have been hired by Al Davis.
Those 2 were quite close. I wonder if he would have hired him one day. After all, Al loved getting guys who were blacklisted and prove those guys should not have been, and win with them.
I know there would be plenty of issues with personnel and philosophy. But Al did hire Gruden, so maybe.
Yeah, having some experience with working for a “friend”, I don’t think that would have worked out anywhere near as well as it did with Walsh working for Eddie D. You think Eddie D was demanding?
Holy Hell, Al Davis is the very Definition of Demanding. His picture is next to “Demand(‘ing, ‘ed) in Merriam Webster’s Collegiate Edition. ;)
It would be fantasy league material I’m sure.
The sad truth is that often owners get voted in posthumously. Players and coaches deserve to go in first, unless the owner is also a coach or GM similar to Al Davis.
True and sad. But as I pointed out the ballot allows for 1 Owner/GM. And BOTH candidates were rejected. So it’s not like someone more deserving got in. Nobody did. :/
Hey Grant, here is an idea…
ask Billick what he thinks on this matter of whether Eddie D is deserving or not. ;)
Oh yeah, Cris Carter has the whole drug thing(Philly) going against him, though he should get in, people still remember it.
And the Raiders that are deserving are the least likely to get in because even though Al Davis is a HoF Owner/GM, he cheezed off the League with the lawsuits. That guy would’ve sued his own mother if it would’ve benefitted the team and his bank account. ;)
@Ceadderman
You’ve clearly been waiting for this blog subject. You’ve got a lot of material on hand for it lol
Did you by any chance recommend it to Grant in a personal email to him?
Hey Grant, I think I have your disappearing name (with link) problem figured out on here. Isolated a little bit of code ran some tests, worked. E-mail me and I’ll pass it on.
Ugh: San Francisco 49ers’ Ray McDonald arrested on outstanding warrant
@Adam
Do you have a link for this news?
It’s a 6 month old misdemeanor warrant stemming from his DUI last year. Apparently he missed a probation meeting or some such.
Misdemeanor warrants generally sit around until they show up on a traffic stop or the like – the police rarely go looking for the person involved.
Misdemeanor or not, it is a second DUI related offense which could result in a suspension. Doubtful, but possible.
Boy are you full of crap on this one, Grant.
I’m with Ceadderman (above) …
The fact that Eddie D wasn’t voted in, doesn’t surprise me in the least !
I mean… how long have they been snubbing Roger Craig ..
and John Taylor ? … and like the C-man pointed out …
Brodie shoulda been in a long time ago !
(For those too young to remember him … look him up … his first name is John)
At least the good guys are being recognized by the Bay Area HOF
committee !!
I am trying to figure out what he goes in for. He was an owner had to give up his rights to the team because he got in major trouble. He was an owner who brought about the salary cap because he spent his dad’s money like it was going out of style. He did and awful lot for the Bay Area, but the NFL – I don’t see it? Maybe if he still owned the team I would think differently.
He goes in for being the Owner of a 5 time Super Bowl winner, name me any other owner who can claim that distinction. He set the standard of how organizations are run and how players are treated. And he gets the invite for being the cause of a salary cap haha.
JH said there will be open competition at QB next year. Great news.
http://blog.sfgate.com/49ers/2012/02/07/kaepernick-ready-to-compete-for-starting-spot/
But is CK part of that “competition”? He seems to thinks so. Harbaugh? Not so much.
“Evidently Harbaugh didn’t tell Kaepernick what he relayed to the media in response to a question the day after the NFC Championship Game: That the 2011 second-round pick would have the chance to wrest the starting job from Alex Smith, a free agent who will almost certainly return to San Francisco.”
@ribico
The starting QB job is open just like the starting DL positions are open and LB’s and OL.
If the Niners get somebody better in any one of those or other positions, they will start. JH is just maintaining the same level playing field here. All positions are earned. Even the leader of the team’s position is to be earned. That is how JH appears to be organizing the attitude of the team. If the Niners did get AR somehow, he would have to earn the job as well. Or if we got LF somehow, he would be competing for a job with KW, MC, TG, JM as well.
Of course, I would not expect to see PW, JS, Joe Staley not starting next season. But, there is always that small 1 in a billion chance that they wouldn’t start (and not due to injury) because they found somebody better.
Alex Smith will be SF’s starting QB in 2012.
Genius. Where do you get your source of great knowledge. Round of applause for dr everyone. He’s late to the party but he’s still here. Wheew
Maybe the league should designate a special hall of fame vote for coaches and owners every 4 years or so…they would add 5 extra votes that year along with the players. This way every year all of the traditional spots are designated for players only, but on these special years the owners, coaches, and scouts would get special attention! This would allow the league to somewhat “catch up” on players, or at the very least front office people.
Check out the pictures at the following link of JH and AS golfing together.
http://blog.sfgate.com/sportsevents/2012/02/08/49ers-giants-go-head-to-head-in-charity-golf-shoot-out/
I swear, they both look like they do during a game (JH especially). I think that guy has the same face trying to get in line ahead of somebody targeting the same cashier at a the grocery store.
First video on top, JH says
“Alex is our guy”. when asked about the QB position.
Sorry haters.
DS, you can respond to a negative comment but when you post a read like that, you are asking for trouble. Why can’t you understand that it’s not about posting the obvious just to prove your point. Be subtle.
I agree with Hof…… Why do you want to continue to stir up problems? You need to stop hanging around that idiot Oneniner. Bad influence! =-)
Sorry Hoff…….. Just got your question about What Smith contract number should be. IMO 3 year about 5-6 mill a year. With some bonuses. If he becomes “elite” Years and money should climb. Also IMO there is to much of a “what if” factor given his history here to throw 10 mill a year at him. I think its fair he is still in the earn it category. If he earns big money… Pay his A$$. lol
They come no matter what hof. I got cussed out for explaining why I brought up FG in a conversation with AES a few days ago. I didn’t bring up anybody’s name or anything like it.
Look at the last blog. Virtually every ninergirl post is in response to me, or brings me up when I did not mention her initially at all. So, if they come no matter what…the rules change.
She may have only 2 or 3 actual football posts the past few days. Everyhing else is about/to me.
Why don’t you spend some time telling her and BigP to stop instead of always coming my way all the time? If you want to play moderator, you need to spend time telling them the same. Being fair is harder than it appears.
I actually write a lot of football posts. They don’t. They call me stupid, etc. You want me to take your advice, you need to tell them to stop bothering those who don’t want to deal with you, and this blog will get better in a hurry.
And you rarely step in when they go off on me, but you allmost always step in when you feel I go at them. And this is nothing next to what they fling my way.
I have no issue with you hof, but don’t think I have not seen this pattern with you. Of coming my way, but not their direction.
DS, I’m trying to give you my take on getting along here. If you wish to question me on who I step in for you or them, then we are done. Too much drama… All suggestions and advise will stop. Good luck…
Harbaugh seems to be hitching his wagon to Alex Smith, no doubt.
Hope it works out better for him (and us) than for the last two coaches.
If Harbaugh can help Tavita Pritchard beat USC, it is fair to say he can make Alex Smith serviceable until CK is ready to take over.
Nobody goes after you DS. You run your mouth and people respond. When they respond you play victim. You are liar and a manipulator. You constantly bring up 49ergirl because you are jealous of her, plain and simple. You are still upset about the “49er girl, where are you?” post for whatever sick reason. I could care less what you say about me because I feel sorry for you. You lack any semblance of balance in your life and you are obviously very unhappy. Because of this, you get some rise out of trying to tweak people. It’s negative energy. I know I’m not the first person to tell you that.
DS..will you ever figure it out?
First off, in case you haven’t noticed…there is no football right now. I’ve given my two cents on each of the blog topics and responded to those who made interesting points. There isn’t a lot to talk about that hasn’t already been said.
Your posts are particularly amusing because you are constantly contradicting yourself, and your actions don’t match your words. I’m having some fun this off-season by stalking you and giving you a ration of $hit. Like I said yesterday – get used to it. This is my new hobby.
Please keep talking about me in all your posts too – its pretty obvious you read everything I write and it’s starting to get under your skin. Besides, you know what they say about attention seekers like me – there’s no such thing as bad publicity. ;p
DS,
Your not a Niner fan, you love your man crush, AS and will defend him until you die. You don’t care about the Niner’s your mission in life is to defend your LOVE for AS, pretty sad.
Goodnight Faithful. Have a blessed night and quit the bickering… lol =-)
I hope you enjoy the night with your wife md!
….eeeww…..someone actually married “ninermd” the social moron…….
Oneniner… I’d bet my life that my tailgate clan alone has more people than your pathetic friends list. If I knew you in person I’d of knocked your teeth out by now. I can’t imagine anyone wanting to be near you for more than 5 minutes. Man I’d trade my life for a Alex smith stalking, friendless, lonely life. Wheeew. Keep up the good work one niner. I’m jealous. Wheew!
Players first, coaches second, owners third.
HONESTLY- I THINK THEY SHOULD HAVE 2 SEPERATE HOF INDUCTIONS. PLAYERS/COACHES AND OWNERS. BECAUSE ITS JUST TOTAL OPPOSITES. . LIKE A SOLDIER, AND A POLITICIAN.. HA. . REALLY THO. . SO MANY DESERVING -PLAYERS- AND SOMEWHAT OWNERS AND MORE COACHES. . A RICH MAN PAYING THE HIRED HANDS. LIKE ROOFING. I WAS A FOREMAN, WORKED MY BALLS OFF FOR 400 A WEEK, HE TOOK HOME 8GS A WEEK. I WAS THE SHOE! HA. . . IT IS WHAT I WOULD DO THO. . IT SEEMS JOURNALISM IS MORE ABOUT OPINIONS THESE DAYS INSTEAD OF REPORTING, OBSERVING AND QUOTING. BUT THATS JUST MY OPINION. HA. . . . http://www.facebook.com/THORN4MEMORY check us out if u like rock! Go Niners! .
Rick, Why are you screaming at us?
Eddie the great!
DS, I’ve personally never had an issue with you until you jumped on ‘oneniners’ bandwagon with the flip-flop label. Of course it should have been more prudent of me not to respond in kind. When you ‘keep it football’ you actually do a decent job.
I actually enjoyed how you stood up for the TEAM when some Saints fans crashed this blog. But then you turn around and agree with everything and every label ‘oneniner’ offers. That throws a wet blanket on your credibility.
Our recent debates have been civil and even challenging because it causes me to do my due diligence.
But in the final analysis, I agree with Hofe, cut ‘oneniner’ loose and try taking a little break. Too much exposure can be harmful (with all due respect).
@AES
I have 2 rules which I have followed as well as anybody has followed their own rules on this blog.
1. Don’t put me down
2. Don’t put down my team
When the Saints fans came here, they attacked my team. They broke Rule 2, so I let them have it. Oddly enough I actually kinda ended up respecting who dat more than some here. Why? Because he never crossed the line. We argued a lot (nobody would be here if they didn’t like too), but who dat never said anything remotely like what some here have said to me, often times without any provocation. Even though all of us here have one thing in common supposedly. We love the Niners. He was not the only non-Niner fan who I’ve enjoyed discussions with. I think a lot of times other teams fans have a better view of the overall picture being so far away from the epicenter that many here (I include myself here) have.
As for oneniner, he has never broken any of the two rules I have while I deal with him to me. Quite likely because I never insulted him, and don’t treat him like the “unspoken family member” as many here do. If one treats others like that, it is likely that they will insult you in return.
I won’t toss him under the bus to be more popular. I’ve never done that in my real life, and I won’t start in my fake blog life either. I once had a friend do that to me (throw me under the bus to be more popular). And many years later, he came to me out of the blue and apologized to me for how he tossed me aside to be one of the popular kids, who by the way, totally ripped him apart.
That’s not to say that I agree with how oneniner has always interacted with others here. And I have on several occasion told him to basically “back off” about some comments he’s made of somebody here who has never once bothered to back off of me and who sees to it that if she had only 1 post a day, it would be directed at me in some insulting manner.
Oneniner is at least consistent unlike many of the other “keep it real guys”. They can insult you time and time again. Yet if you insult them in the slightest even once, they cross the line so far that one would need the Hubble Telescope to find the line. Another little rule of mine: If you can’t take it, don’t dish it. Oneniner is one of the very few that does take what he dishes out.
So, if you can’t deal with me because of how I actually respect much of what oneniner thinks, and because he is intensely loyal (a trait I admire greatly), then sorry. I will miss our conversations. I hope you reconsider as I would miss them too.
P.S. Just a few days ago, I wrote to oneniner that we need an all world WR like LF to really take this offense to new heights. He disagreed saying we don’t need somebody quite that good. So, we don’t agree on everything. And for the record there is not a single person here who I have ever agreed with 100% of the time. I come up with my own conclusions and decisions, and am not told what to think by anybody.
Now, I hope that is out of the way now.
Let’s get back to some football talk on a football blog…can we?
: – )
Finally you are leaving us?
Where is my red solo cup, it’s time to party!
Hey guys, and 49erGirl too, DS is finally leaving and we can talk football!!!
@DS…….i wish they would get it after reading your post…..but they just don’t get it………
…”Hate is a lack of imagination.” ……….
Nice quote.
And they always say something to the effect of “DS get a life.”
Well, when 49erGirl writes/talks about/directs posts at me when she knows I don’t read them, and they claim that I don’t have a life…that is some serious hypocrisy there. So, she spends virtually all of her time writing about somebody who she says does not have a life, etc. instead of the topic at hand which is football. What does that make her and and BigP then if I don’t have a life? Life-less of life? Science does not have a genus-species to describe such entities.
So sad…people who need to comment all the time on somebody else, and never discusses football (49ergirl mostly) on a football site.
I’m sorry, but what part of your last few comments were about football???
@ DS Do you see your own hypocrisy? You call people out for talking about you instead of football, yet it seems you can hardly post something without bringing up 23J, or 49ergirl, or bay. You claim to ignore their posts, yet you seem to be privy to everytime your name appears within them. This blog took a sharp turn for the worse when you became a regular poster. Your victim mentality is tired and repugnant.
Now this one I just couldn’t pass up…
Usually I have to look at a post or two before I find where you’ve contradicted yourself, DS, but when you put it all in the same sentence it makes things so much easier for me.
“…when 49erGirl writes/talks about/directs posts at me when she knows I don’t read them, and they claim that I don’t have a life…”
If you don’t read the posts…..how do you know what we’re claiming?
Look at the top of the thread 9erlifer. hof was the one who brought up the whole thing.
And then go look at the last blog post. And count the number and % 49erGirl posts about or to me.
And, I don’t much care if I have your approval.
@9erlifer
You make some valid points. As soon as DS/OneNiner/PrimeTime (they’re all the same person by the way) started became regulars, this blog went down the toilet.
I have not said anything until now, but there are 2 reasons I rarely waste my time reading or responding to any of the comments on this blog anymore. 1. is DS and his incessant whining about other posters, and 2. how every friggin’ thread becomes an un-winnable debate about Alex Smith. Both sides have their minds made up. The only one who can change opinions is Alex Smith. I used to enjoy reading other 9er fans thoughts on my beloved team. Now it seems like a bunch of children whining.
Now who is crying and complaining?
You baby. There is a nice blog right now on playing GM.
You want to talk football, go on over there and do it. And, so far AS has not been mentioned.
If you are just having a bad day, have it someplace else.
The percentage of my responses to you is high…and will increase over the next few months.
9erlifer made some very valid points about every blog turning into a debate about AS and expressed his frustration without calling you names. Nothing whiny about his statements.
You’re the only one here whining, crying, name calling….and telling people what to do, how to behave, etc. etc. etc.
Whoa…hey…why do you have to start name calling? Be careful, I am very sensitive. I never put you down like you did me. Those are your rules right?
of course *I* should have been
Charles Haley may have to wait a few years before he gets into the Hall. His on-field accomplishments merit induction but off the field he was a vile, disgusting man. And he played for the Cowboys which makes him even more vile.
Ira Miller and Nancy Gay were 49ers beat writers during Haley’s tenure with the team and they’re both members of the HoF selection committee. I wonder if either is championing Haley’s cause during debates. Especially Gay who was on the beat when Haley flopped his wang out on a female reporter’s notebook. My memory is hazy but I seem to recall a formal sexual harassment claim filed by the Chronicle against the 49ers.
I’d imagine Lowell has some interesting Haley stories.
Don’t forget the time when he took a whiz on a reporters car in the parking lot.
That was actually Tim Harris’ (teammate) car unless there was another incident. Which wouldn’t surprise me.
MSC,
it was Tim Harris’s car. They used to say that when Haley went nuts, Lott was the only one that could calm him down.
@Bay, one of the most notorious Haley blow ups was after a loss to the Raiders down in LA when he wanted to kill SY.
They had to get Lott out of the Raiders locker room to come calm him down…
I stand corrected. Any way you slice it, that is pretty dang funny.
How about the time he was in the locker room jerking off and said to Joe, “You want some of this don’t you?”, “Don’t you!?” The guy is with out a shadow of a doubt a Hall Of Famer, but one strange dude. It killed me when the 49ers let him go to the Cowboys.
One of the worst moves the organization made during the ’90′s. Not a coincidence that his trade coincided with the Dallas dynasty that ended up going to 3 Super Bowls in 4 years.
One of my favorite CH moments was when the 49ers brought him back out of retirement for the ’98 playoffs. Even though he hadn’t played all year he was constantly in Favre’s face during the Catch II game, then the next week in Atlanta he tips a pass resulting in a turnover. The guy was a beast. Better than Bruce Smith in my opinion.
Hope his off field anticts don’t keep him out of the hall too long.
Just goes to show you , when you have a stud pass rusher, They are Gold, Fred Dean made all the difference for us, Ironic that we did the same dumb thing when Haley was traded to the Cowboys. You get successful believing it will last and all your moves will be golden. I hope Aldon Smith’s drinking does not become a big issue as that is one piece of the puzzle that is in my oppinion ireplaceable at this point.
Oh, and Cris Carter. No way. He was only the leading receiver on his own team 3 times. He spent most of his career playing second fiddle to Anthony Carter (who?) and Jake Reed (really, who?) before ending his career playing second fiddle to Randy Moss (ok, I know who that guy is).
He did make some highlight catches and his long career allowed him to rack up some volume stats but it is the Hall of Fame, not the Hall of Very Good. A ton of wide receivers re-wrote the record books in the 90′s after the NFL made it illegal for DBs to breathe the same air as a WR. That’s why there is a logjam at the position.
If there are a bunch of guys at the same position, in the same era with very similar accomplishments is any of them really elite? Jerry Rice is really the only receiver from the 90′s who was clearly better than everyone else. Brown, Carter, Reed, Irvin, Moore were all pretty much the same (very good) guy except Irvin and Reed had super bowl appearances.
Grant still embarrassing himself. And why exactly is R. Wilson in? I’ll tell you why, Eddie is not in, young jedy, two words – Gambling scandal!
As years go by wide receivers get less and less respect. With the open rules they put up staggering numbers but the problem is too many do it. Charles Haley, the Super Bowls came to halt when he was lost. He was one of those great players that caused total chaos for opposing offenses. Aldon Smith seems to be in the same mold.
I agree 100 percent Andrew!
No, he hired Bill Walsh and got out of the way.
Actually he hired BW but did not get out of the way. Grant, you think you know but you don’t and you never will :)
Were you even born when BW coached the 9ers??
Hmmmmm The way I remember it, Eddie came in and hired Joe Thomas as GM, causing HC Monte Clark to quit and sending a team that could marginally make a playoff run (woulda if we’d had a competent kicker) into a disastrous death spiral. The Thomas/McCulley/O’Connor era teams were some of the worst I’ve ever seen; all Time.
Later he hired BW.
I’d still like to see Eddie make it, but let’s remember our history correctly.
and davis provided eddie with the BW ….. how did that davis and debartolo rift begin
49ers who belong in the hall of fame..charlie kruger..len rhode ..kieth fahnhorst..randy cross..hacksaw reynolds..matt millen [the line backer not the gm]..roger craig..charles haley.. they wont get in because either they played on primarily losing teams or “the bill walsh effect” the system was more important than the players
think haley will get in….he was dominate and shifted the power from SF to dallas and only player to have 5 rings to which he was a major contributing factor to……
the others maybe not…even though i think i agree with the other poster….craig was faulk before faulk being the 1000/1000 guy which allowed montana to be who he was by providing that outlet whether it was designed or safety valve…didn’t craig have one other note of accomplishment like number of 1000 yard seasons in a row (not sure what it was)…maybe the fumble keeps him out
@old coach
I was just going over a list of those old 49er linemen from the ’70s. Charlie Kruger should get in if for nothing more than his ability to dive between the center’s legs and nail the QB by the ankle before the play even got started. Charlie never gave up an inch without a fight. Len Rhode, Cas Banaszak, and Randy Biesler each gave up about 20 lbs. to their defensive counterparts, but still gave Brodie and Spurrier adequate protection. Fahnhorst was the ‘kid’ in that era, but what a mauler. Good thoughts coach…I hope they get there too.
grant just misplaced the word “didn’t”….should have gone after the word “why”… this being a blog and all
A couple of players..I never heard of them. Obscure lineman who played for east coast teams. Plunkett I know. Stabler,I know. Ray Guy I know. Its sickening how the EC bias ruins the HOF. At least Jeremy Lin will benefit!
not for long…..jeremy was just a knicks desperate grab at a straw that has provided a bit of winning…. IMO
Jeremy Lin seems like a classy guy, Hopefully he can keep this up!
Eddie D never blocked or tackled anyone….. He just hired Bill Walsh and got out of the way.
I’d say that was a pretty good move for a little guy, wouldn’t you?
@Grant
“No, he hired Bill Walsh and got out of the way.”
At the very least, this little ending sentence of yours has gotten an awful lot of attention on this blog.
Funny how one sentence gets so much attention compared to the rest. Of course it is your last sentence, and I am sure you were well aware of that when you wrote it.
Well done.
There are 44 writers who vote players/owners into the hall, that number is far to few, it should be increased to a hundred +, and many of the bias would be eliminated or reduced. I think a good place to add voters is by allowing general managers who have at least 10 years with a team become a voting member, NFL team radio announces who have at least 10 years with a team be included, and other avenues that voters can be taken from. With only 44 voters it has becomes to bias in the selection process. They horse trade with each other, you vote for my guy and I will vote your guy next year, etc etc, with a larger group of voters it would provide the opportunity to balance out the process of selection. There are years, like this year that no one should of been selected, (except Haley) and it shows by football demanding “you have to select a certain number inductees”, that dilutes the quality of players in the hall. NFL has to improve the process, but they will not…
@Jamie
“They horse trade with each other, you vote for my guy and I will vote your guy next year, etc etc,…”
I don’t know if that happens. But I agree with your general premise. There should be more voters, and more people getting in than there are now.
The fact that Roger Craig is still not in is all the proof I need about how the process needs to be improved. RC helped out JM and JR a ton, and never gets the credit he deserves for having done so. Both JM and JR have talked about Roger and how he made their lives easier, and how he should be in the HOF.
For those of you Smithers that keep trying to defend the 1-13 on 3rd down in the championship game by asking for the pass to run ratio, the call breakdown is as follows, 12 passes to 1 rush.
12 times they put the ball in Smith’s hands to get them the first down, and he only came through once. I can’t wait to see how you all defend that one.
…..lol…..your “green” must be way better than mine……easy on the pipe dude!!!…….
>> I can’t wait to see how you all defend that one.
Not sure what sport you are watching, but last I heard it is touchdowns, not first downs, that win football games.
Alex led (or if you prefer, limited) the team to 17 points against the Giants defense. As I recall, the same number that a certain 3 time SB winner did in the SuperBowl. Also as I recall, a certain poster here said that team had a much better offense than ours.
So if the Giants held a great offense to 17 and our crappy Alex-led offense managed that same 17, it says two things. The Giants defense was playing pretty good, much better than their season stats indicate. And that our crappy offense, 3rd down stats aside, was right up there with the big boys.
More pressure on Brady because his team couldn’t run. Alex was supported by a good running game. Not all Alex’s fault though since Roman inexplicably gave up on the run in the 2nd half.
Since you asked in two areas…
Jack, I hear you but here’s a quick synopsis of the 3rd down plays:
1 -3rd and 4 – pass to FG defended
2 -3rd and 14 – pass to KW defended (reverse play fumble put them in long situation)
3-3rd and 5 – AS rush for 4 yds
4- 3rd and 9 – AS rush for 3 yds
5-3rd and 19 – AS rush for 5 yds (Staley false start put them in long situation)
6-3rd and 6 – pass to DW defended
7-3rd and 6 – pass to FG for 4 yds
8-3rd and 1 – run A Dixon short
9-3rd and 5 – pass to MC 3 yds
10-3rd and 7 – AS sacked
11- 3rd and 10 – pass to DW incomplete
12-3rd and 8 – DW catch 28 yds
13-3rd and 12 – pass to VD for 11 yds
Yes AS has to get better but some of the issues on 3rd down were due to bad play calls (reverse fumble put them in long situation) and penalties (false start by JS). Additionally, it is unknown if the catches by FG, MC, and VD were 1st options, broken off routes short of the 1st downs, or great plays by the defense. Also, AS took off running on several 3rd down plays and it has been mentioned by TK (Merc) and a neighbor of mine who was at the game, that the 9er WR’s weren’t consistently getting open – debatable but it was mentioned by many of the beat writers as well.
The net/net, is that AS and the offense needs to play better. AS said that he needs to improve and will strive to do so. But this was a team issue and not all on the QB. All arrows up!
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….nice breakdown Hof……“Facts are many, but the truth is one.”……..
I like this 2012 hoferfan67…….
Just keeping it real…
An owner hires the right people and sets the tone for the entire organization. Paul Brown was a brilliant innovator and knew talent but he bypassed Bill Walsh for Tiger Johnson. Supposedly Brown tried to blackball Bill Walsh, but that’s another story I don’t know much about. Without Eddie D’s drive would the 49ers have reached such heights?
Sure he payed for players, how many of the other owners did likewise? The owner that comes to mind is George Steinbrenner. Most owners sit back and watch their franchises multiply in value. The NFL is set up where it does not make too much difference if you lose. The network money, luxury boxes, ten dollar beers, and twenty dollar parking costs guarantee profits.
How many individual owners have 5 Super Bowls. Sure, you have families that have multiple championships but not one man. He belongs in.
@jack i think we were discussing the HOF not AS
Good luck with that old coach. (Seriously not sarcasm.)
Sorry Old Coach. I will move it over to another topic on the blog. My apologies for disrupting your conversation.
Why is there no mention of George Seifert for the HOF? Grant, could you please print his record compared to other coaches ALREADY IN THE HOF? Please don’t mention he won a Super Bowl with Walsh’s players. He won another Super Bowl with his players. There are many coaches who follow legends, very few have done it with the success Seifert had. He deserves, at least, consideration based on HIS record, not who he followed.
+1 Wild bill
Seifert gets no respect. Definitely worthy of HOF. I’d put him in before Eddie.
Siefert was a coach or head coach for FIVE SB winning teams. Thats sounds HOF enough for me.
Interesting notion Stan.
The Niners then have not won a Super Bowl without the significant aid/instruction of one George Seifert. They won 2 Super Bowls without Bill Walsh and 1 Super Bowl without Joe.
Seifert lost his last 15 games as a Head Coach. Once he got away from Walsh’s organization, he did not measure up.
seifert belongs in at least as much as tom flores
Two Super Bowls..neither Flores or Plunkett are in. The only two to not be in with dos victorys. With them, its EC bias and racism…
siefert also has 2
To me it is simple whether or not someone belongs in the HOF. At the time one leaves the game, can you make a strong argument they are one of the 10 best at their position to ever play? If so, they are in. If not, tough luck. Like most HOF’s they start out to honor the very best, and end up watered down with the very, very good. As much as I love guys like Craig and Taylor, (they are two of my top 10 favorite players) I don’t think they are in the top 10 at their position. As for Eddie D, he is one of the 10 best owners of all time.
…I lost interest in the HOF when I saw the list of HOF voters……
top 10 ever wow thats tough. using that criteria i dont think you would put in more than 2 a yr and there might be 4 or 5 yrs in a row when no one would go in
It is tough, but I feel like being inducted to the Hall of Fame is the highest honor an individual can recieve. It should be reserved for the absolute best.