SAN FRANCISCO – Scott Tolzien was on the side of the field at Candlestick Park signing autographs today when Donte Whitner officially dubbed him “Baby Drew Brees.” A few writers walked over to Tolzien afterward and he was happy to talk. He had a big smile on his face and he answered each question with earnest humbleness. Here’s what he said.
Q: How do you think you did against the Vikings on Friday night?
TOLZIEN: The bottom line is it’s still early. It was the first (preseason) game of four. It’s a good start, but at the same time it’s not everything. In this league, you’re only as good as your last play. You have to get better every day.
Q: Donte Whitner just talked to us about your leadership skills. Do you feel more comfortable this year taking that role?
TOLZIEN: Absolutely. A year under your belt makes all the difference in the world. You have confidence in what you know in the playbook, so if someone is off you can help them out and ultimately get everyone on the same page.
Q: Whitner said his nickname for you is “Baby Drew Brees” (Tolzien laughs and says “Wow.”)
ME: Have you heard him call you that?
TOLZIEN: No, I have not.
ME: How does that make you feel?
TOLZIEN: It’s a humbling thing. Brees is someone I look up to and admire like a lot of the quarterbacks in the league do. I’m happy for it, but I’ve got a long ways to go before I’m Drew Brees.
Q: You said that you’re only as good as your last throw. Your last throw was an interception. Does that help you keep grinding?
TOLZIEN: What I took from that is yeah, I was hit when I threw it, but bottom line we’re in field goal range. You go under center with no one in (the backfield), you’re in field goal range – you’ve got to take care of the football at all costs.
ME: You said you’re not Drew Brees yet. When will you be Drew Brees?
TOLZIEN: Man, I’ve got a ways to go, but you try to make the most of each day. I’m not big into setting real specific goals. I think really if you just focus on every day – and I know that’s the oldest cliché in the book, but it really is true – Day 1 of camp means just as much as Day 17 of camp. If you really try to focus on each and every one of those days, longterm…
ME: You’ll be Drew Brees.
TOLZIEN: No, I’m not going to say that. I’m nowhere near Drew Brees.
Before he left he grinned and shook my hand and said, “Hey, nice safari hat.”
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Love the kid. Hope he isn’t one of cuts.
He’s our future starting QB, very near future . Harbaugh ain’t no fool. When your teammates have nicknames like that for you, that says how much they believe in a late round draft under radar kid.
Tolzien is a keeper. He may be the #2 QB when the season starts. I have somewhat of an affinity with CK after watching a few of his High School games and following him at a distance when he played in college, but he may not be able to hold off Tolzien for long.
The one thing that concerns me about Tolz is his stature. He may come in at about 6′ 2″ if that. But the skill level is evident. The kid is winning me over with his pocket presence and precision passing.
But having said that, AS is still “D Man.”
Grant,
Hypothetically speaking, IF Josh Johnson is going to get cut is there any possibility that Harbaugh does it sooner rather then later to give the kid a chance to sign on with someone else?
Thanks for the response GC, I guess you’re too busy looking for that picture of your ‘awesome’ safari hat. You’re the best.
Take it easy CFC. Grant doesn’t always get to answer everybody’s questions. That said, let me take a whack at it. It’s only been one preseason game, so there isn’t enough to go on. Also, if he is cut, he might not be able to find a new team until after the conclusion of the preseason.
Johnson’s playing well, and Harbaugh said Johnson might play before Tolzien does against the Texans. I highly doubt the Niners are about to cut Johnson.
Based on what you have seen to date, and sorry for putting you on the spot, what do the Niners do with all 4 QB’s. Who are you keeping and who’s leaving?
I guess Johnson’s the leading candidate to get cut, but all four quarterbacks are playing well and at about the same level. We’ll have to see who stands out in the next three games.
I agree Grant.
I think the Niners make a decision after the Texans game as a courtesy to let Johnson find another team before training camp ends. No need to keep all four QBs til the end of camp, better to let the guy have some time in finding a new place well before the season starts. Like JH said, it will depend on who’s practicing the best this week and that will determine who plays 2nd, 3rd and 4th. comin up against HOU.
Prime, This is what Harbs said when asked about the rotation changing, “It could,” Harbaugh said. “Possibly this next week. Josh (Johnson) could go in third and Scott (Tolzien) fourth. But we’ll see. We’ll see how it plays out this week in practice.”
He makes no mention of the #2 spot changing.
I don’t think there will be a decision until at least after the third preseason game Prime.
Prime
I don’t think JJ getting cut earlier helps him more. Other teams are still evaluating their own QB’s. So, they will want to see them before adding JJ. If anything, JH does JJ a favor by keeping him. Giving him more film to give GM’s more to pick him up.
By the start of week 3, Harbaugh will have a good idea who his 2nd and 3rd QB will be. As a courtesy to the player they will either begin to seek a trade or have his agent explore opportunties on their own. I don’t see them flat out releasing him but rather begin the process of trying to find him another opportunity.
DS, teams have had an entire offseason to evaluate their talent. If JJ can provide an upgrade as a #2 or #3, teams will gladly give up a 7th rounder for him. Remember Shaun Hill? If not, then by the end of preseaon if they are no takers, they will have to release him and swallow the signing bonus.
Im pretty sure the Vikings could use Johnson as their #3 over Bethel Thompson? At least JJ will get to dress on game days.
Prime
I’m sure you’re right about JH knowing. I doubt most teams will know though. That final pre-season game determines that for most HC’s/3rd stringers. In addition, I doubt JJ can learn a new offense that quickly. And what HC would dump a player who knows his system for a player who doesn’t, and has the rep of not learning quickly?
That last game would give JJ one more game to look good on film. If he’s cut, he hasn’t the film to show.
And I don’t know legally if JJ’s agent can do that. It might be tampering.
This is all conjecture on our part though. Maybe all 4 impress so much, we keep all 4. I’ve said it before and I’ll say it now and again later:
In JH I trust.
FDM
Hill had a winning record. JJ has played much worse in real games than Hill had. Even so, we only got a #7 draft pick for him.
Teams had the chance before FA to trade for JJ. None did. Teams had the option of snagging JJ up the moment he was released (Like we did to ST), none did. Keep in mind teams could have gone after Grant, and not a 1 tried. And Grant has proven to be starter caliber LB, and all they would give up is a 6 or 7 pick.
If Grant had no interest after how he played last year (well) no way will teams trade to get JJ who in limited time, looked horrible.
If anybody is interested in JJ, they will get their shot at him without giving up any picks. Assuming we keep only 3 QB’s and none get injured.
DS,
The coaches already have a solid idea who will make the roster. Only a handful of positions remain up for grabs. According to Kevin Lynch, ‘Vic Fangio recently said that the 49ers coaches know about 40 of the 45 guys who will make the final roster’.
http://blog.sfgate.com/49ers/2012/08/02/konrad-reuland-can-rap-on-and-off-the-field/
Your right DS, I personally would wait till the Niners have to release him but Im sure the Niners are trying to explore getting something, anything in return.
I think prime is right in that as a courtesy, JH will try and get JJ to a team sooner rather than later so he is not waiting on a job when the season is about to start.
I agree Nick. But often, the 3rd QB is determined by their performance in pre-season games. The last one being most critical since it gives those players the most gametime due to the starters resting.
@Nick:
That’s the game day roster. What about the other 8 guys?
This might explain why the 49ers traded up to get Colin Kaepernick last year.
http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2012/08/13/rex-ryan-was-is-interested-in-colin-kaerp/
Thanks for sharing that link Jack. If Tolzien continues to improve, the Niners could trade CK. The Jets certainly sound interested in CK.
No way the Jets are giving up on Sanchez just yet. They just signed him to a mega deal and the guy is young. Rex goes before Sanchez cause if he does not right the ship this year, him and Tannebaum are gone and they go out and find an offensive minded head coach ala the 49ers did with Harbauugh.
I see more and more teams moving away from hiring defensive minded head coaches as the game has changed quite a bit in the past few years as its more chess than checkers.
FDM says, ” I see more and more teams moving away from hiring defensive minded head coaches….”
Guess someone forget to give that memo to St Louis, KC, Indy, and Oakland. 4 of the 7 new HC’s in 2012 come from a defensive background.
Fisher proven, Romeo Crennel proven, Oakland, well see. For the most part my point was more teams will be looking for offensive minded coaches because of the way the game is moving towards a more scoring type of league and the whole clock/time of possession factors.
FDM,
Crennell was horrible in Cleveland, Fisher was mediocre at best toward the end in Tennessee. On top of that they are both defensive guys, thus debunking the that more teams are looking for offensive coaches.
They are looking for good coaches, regardless of which side of the ball they are from.
Crennell did a pretty good job last year in KC considering. Fisher turned around a franchise that was a joke into a team that was pretty good for a long time.
I think the trend in the NFL now is teams are looking to hire an offensive minded coach because of the game planning and strategy that goes into managing a game. Both Crennel and Fisher were hired because of their expereince, outside of that, teams are looking to hire more offensive minded coaches. Recent hires in the NFL as of late demnostrate this:
Chan Gailey-BUF
Joe Philbin-MIA
Pat Shurmur-CLE
Mike Mularkey-JAG
Mike Munchak -TEN
Jason Garrett-DAL
if that report is true about Jets, they got what they wanted in Tebow . CK does throw better and is more accurate . Scott is just commanding out there. Watch the way he directs WR’s and the whole offense when he’s out there.
Glad the veterans are rallying around the right guy.
Sled…the report is absolutely true..I saw the Rex Ryan interview on ESPN NFL Live…during a press conference, Ryan said a couple of times that the Jets were very interested in drafting the QB from Nevada, Kaepernick , but were beaten to the punch by the Forty-Niners…
Hoping Johnson gets the axe as of now, unless he shows me the awesomeness in the next games. Then again he’s a 4 year pro, he’s probably got a much lower ceiling than Tolzien.
No question Tolzien showed alot of promise on Friday Night. He had great command of the offense & was very accurate. The 49ers will want to keep this young talent no question. That being said I believe Jimbo will still give K-Gun the first crack after Alex thru Pre-Season simply because they have alot invested in him.
I don’t see the 49ers keeping 4 QB’s so JJ will be cut sorry to say.
Grant can we get a pic of the Safari hat?? I knew that not having the right goal setting focus was the only thing standing between me and a Montana-like QB career. No more. Day 1 Focus: be Awesomer.
I’ll post a pic during practice this afternoon.
And just focus on getting 1 percent awesomer every day.
@ Grant:
Every day, you’re either getting awesomer or getting less awesome. You never stay the same.
Awesome sharpens awesome.
Who’s more awesome than us?
NOOOOBODY!
Awesome is as awesome does.
You guys are nuts…in a awesome way.
Here it is: http://twitpic.com/aj2hq5
That is an AWESOME hat Grant.
Could you look any more awesome Grant?
That hat commands serious respect.
“That’s not a knife, THAT’S a knife.”
A bit off topic but now that Miami cut Chad (Florida seems to have problems with chads),how long until the Seahawks sign him?
@Brotha T:
The 49ers would have to sign and release him first.
@Claude
Once again you have your finger on the trigger…good observation
All of the love for Tolzien is nice, but when asked about the QB rotation going into Houston Harbaugh mentioned only that JJ could go in 3rd and ST 4th. Sorry to burst your bubbles but CK will be the backup QB.
“Sorry to burst your bubbles but CK will be the backup QB.”
If JH sees it that way, then we roll with it emphatically. Isn’t it great having QBs on the team that are getting better each and every week! It makes a monumental difference having coaches that instruct and share their knowledge. Good times.
It is awseome Hofer! I just think Harbaugh’s words were telling of where the actual competition is taking place at the QB position.
I also think Ryan’s comments give us some insight as to how CK is viewed around the league. He showed Saturday that he can get it done off play action and has room for growth in straight drop backs.
Part of the reason he is successful off play action is that it simplifies the read and progression. With the straight drop the reads and progression is more sophisticated, hence being late on the curl to Jenkins.
Fortunately the balance of the offense lends itself to Play action, and as you mentioned Harbaugh is bringing him along. When it is time for CK to step in I believe he will be ready.
Tolzien won quite a bit of support this week for sure. I’d like to see him have the same type of game back to back. And I’d like to see first hand what his deep ball looks like.
I’d also like to see Kaep with Moss and VD in the line up against the ones….
I see Kaep as a triple threat QB in the mold of Vince Young and Randal Cunningham. I just think we need to see more composure and fluidity from him in the pocket.
Bay, good points and I would also like to see CK more with the ones. As you mentioned over the weekend, the 9ers would need to tweak their offense for CK to utilize his run first talents. I don’t see them doing that just like I didn’t see them changing their whole offense and plan to sign PM. CK, like SY, will need to rein in his running and look to pass first. His speed and athleticism is clearly an added weapon on offense and is most beneficial only if his passing becomes consistent.
Your not getting a run and shoot QB/offense out of Harbaugh. The deep ball, high scoring passing attack is not and will never be a staple in Jim Harbaughs offense.
It wont matter who is behind centre, Harbaugh’s philosphy is run the ball, grind it out and throw in the occassional play action.We will never see a prolific aerial assualt in SF as long as Jim H is calling the shots.
People expecting to see the passing game open up this year even with all the new additions will be disappointed. Its not because of Alex, Crabtree or Roman, its Harbaugh’s way when he was at SDSU, Stanford and now SF.
I don’t believe it was mentioned here, but Tolzein underthrew a deep pass intended for Moss that was picked off by Rogers yesterday. And if there has been anything that’s been negative about him, it’s been the few underthrown balls during mini-camps, OTA’s and camp. I would like to see some deep outs during the preseason, too.
I’d like to see them bring Kap in for a few plays during the season. Great way to get him used to regular season game speed and possibly use his athleticism to make a play. He still needs work on throwing from the pocket, but get him on the perimeter and this kid is trouble for a defense.
I agree that CK presents the X-factor, but he will need to improve on his throwing mechanics to be in the R.Cunningham’ level.
But Harbaugh has shown that he likes players who can provide certain skills in different areas.
CK will cause defenses to load the box thus allowing for better passing lanes to our WR.’ But passing is where CK must elevate his game. We all know he can run!
I think your right Jack CK, will be the backup to AS. I would like to see CK, ST, and JJ play with the ones. Would like to see ST go long in next pre season game. We will have a good test next week against the Texans who made Cam Newton look bad.
undercenter, I would like to see CK, JJ and ST play with and against the ones as well. The thing I would like to see the most that we won’t see in preseason is them playing a defense that has game-planned against them. I mean, how well can you judge their ability to read defenses otherwise? The vanilla defenses they’re seeing in preseason are nothing like they would see when the games count and teams are disguising coverages, blitzing and stunting and using multi sub-packages that they never saw in PS games. Of course, JJ has faced that as a veteran, it’s really CK and ST that haven’t. I still included CK because though he had some regular season snaps, it was very limited with no starts.
@Space
Very true that JJ has some NFL experience, but not in the Niners system. Unfortunatly the vanilla defenses and offenses are what the pre season is about. But the eye test still can be usefull. ST passed my eyetest but would sure like to see him throw deep. Even tho the WCO doesnt predicate itself to the long bomb, sometimes it is needed to keep defenses from playing in tight.
undercenter, I think there are plenty of us wanting to see Tolzein throw some deep balls. As you said, you don’t want defenses to tighten up against a short passing game; but also, if you are behind a couple of TD’s late in a game without a lot of time on the clock, you need your QB to be able throw the deep outs to either sideline to stop the clock and get yardage in fairly big chunks. That’s why such a big deal is made of a QB’s ability to throw the deep out. If he can’t, his odds of making a comeback go way down.
Ive been hoping that ST would get a chance to show off his skills ever since he sliced our d up in san diego last year…i think he will be our QB of the future..especially with our great coaching staff…hes what our offense really needs..accurate,decisive,pocket presence, (doesn’t look for check down play right away ie Alex S..) and hes jus starting AS has 8 years already and still doesnt show half of these traits
.Lets GO SCOTT…ur fan base is increasing by the day
i think ck is still about a yr away. he runs well there is no question about that. he passes well out of the pocket. i think he needs improvement in the pocket. its important to realize that tall qb’s either need to get the ball out of their hands quickly [play selection] or need superior inside o line blocking. because of their long legs it is harder for them to step up in the pocket.
oldcoach
I’d think the long legs effecting the slower stepping up process is cancelled out by the advantage they have in seeing the WR’s. Shorter QB’s (Drew Brees) may not see the WR’s because he is short. Somehow he still gets it to them though.
The quarterback is the most important offensive player. His role is to move the chains, either by handing off or passing. Ideally, he should not run unless it is to extend a drive. Otherwise, he puts himself — and the offense — in severe jeopardy. Sure, it’s nice to have a quarterback who can scramble. That’s an extra threat the opposing defense has to worry about. But name the elite quarterbacks today, and they are not scramblers. That’s why as a fan I am concerned about The Kaepper and think this is his last training camp with us. If this is Alex’ do-or-die year — and it is, I believe — it is also Colin’s. A quarterback can be one-dimensional, so long as that dimension is not scrambling.
I totally disagree, your QB has to be multifaceted and versatile. If a QB has the athleticism in which to scramble and pick up first downs, then that means defenses are game planning for this and or keeping someone inside the box which will open things up in the flats/sidelines or deep part of the field. Its a part of an offensive scheme that is diffiuclt to game plan against and a weopon that every team would love to have. Its like another RB back there that can throw. Now you have to have someone account for him at all times.
People know Peyton Manning is not going to take off so they play coverage a little different. Against a Vick, you have to play coverage and worry about him escaping the pocket and getting out into open field. Causes defensive coordnators nightmares.
George, I hear what you’re saying about scrambling QB’s because of the risk of injuries. Just take a look at Vick’s career as an example. Still, he won a lot of games because of his legs. Randall Cunningham was also pretty successful. But though you say today’s elite QB’s aren’t scramblers, you are still seeing teams draft those types of players in Tebow, Newton, Griffin, Wilson and of course Kaepernick. And when they draft those players, the talk is always that there is the need for them to develop their pocket passing abilities. Kaepernick isn’t there yet, obviously, but I don’t see that equating to this being his last camp as a 49er. The staff knew what they were getting so I don’t think this is a make or break season for him.
9ers to cut JJ ? hmmm
JH needs to consult with 23Jordan ..lol
I like all of our QB’s -sad that one will not be here in the final cut.I must confess I have a fondness for Tolzien’s game.He works hard ,has good mastery of his position for a young player,respects his team and coaches.I want to see more of his work.
I think iIt is in josh johnson best interest to do well in preseason. he will be auditioning for other teams in doing so just like scott did it is last preseason game
josh johnson should do well in preseason he will be auditioning for other teams in doing so just like scott did last preseason
@ds think about it a while then list the QB’s in nfl history who were 6″5″ and over and were successful. every coach i’ve worked who were qb gurus rolled out their taller qb’s because they had a difficult time stepping up in the pocket
Old Coach
Your comment is addressed to DS, but appears under the wrong thread. Anyway, is there much of a difference between a QB being 6-4 or 6-5? There are numerous successful QBs who are 6-4 or taller: the Manning brothers, T. Brady, Philip Rivers, B. Roethlisberger, Matt Ryan, etc.
oldcoach
Why 6’5″? Is CK that tall? I haven’t a clue which QB’s in history are 6’5″ and good vs those who are 6’5″ and bad.
What I do hear (and I am tired of hearing it by the way) is the proto-typical QB is tall, strong arm, pocket-passer. Considering the best ever (JM) is none of that and Drew Brees is the best QB now (only has a strong arm) the ideal QB measurables means little to me. But I do hear it a lot. That is all I’m saying.
“Drew Brees is the best QB now” With the exception of Tom Brady and Aaron Rodgers yes he is.
Adam707
At the end of the year,DB was the hottest QB ever. Against the Lions he threw for a gazillion yards and a ton of TD’s. Against us, he damn near beart the best D by coming back on the road.
AR to compare sucked big time at home against the Giants. And he has as many Lombardis as DB.
TB played horribly against both Baltimore and Giants. He only played well against Denver. Add to that he lost the last 2 Super Bowls he’s played, and I’m sorry. DB is better.
@nick in an earlier post i said that taller QB’s can succed but they either need outstanding interior line play IE no collapsing pockets or need to play in systems that get the ball out of their hands quickly the QB’s you listed for the most part fill that bill. i also saw r. jaworski at a clinic explain how each inch in heigth relates to longer stride and makes it difficult for qb’s to step in the pocket and follow through on their throws [that was his opinion] but i have heard any # of coaches repeat the theory
As far as Tolzein, my eyeball test would be to see him get flushed weakside and throw the deep-out on the run to the far sideline with enough zip to not get picked. If he can show that much arm strength, I could see him moving up the depth chart.
Gee, you don’t ask for much, do you rock? But I agree, that’s an all arm throw, one that needs to be made by a QB if he wants to be considered capable of making all the throws.
That would be a stupid decision by any QB. The ball would be in the air too long. I don’t care whose arm it is.
ST’s #1 strength is his smarts. He would lose that strength if he attempts to do what you ask on a routine basis. Even if he completes the pass.
Agree DS, but you have to show the deep ball, to keep defenses loose and to play from behind. Steady diet of the long pass from Tolzien would not be his forte.
It’s not about doing it on a routine basis. It’s about being able to scramble and still get the ball downfield.
undercenter
The way I’m reading it, ninersrock isn’t talkig about a deep ball. He’s saying that ST is forced out of the pocket and runs in one direction. Then thows across the field laterally (not vertical like a go route) for a deep out pass (normally like 18-20 yards).
From the pocket (middle of the field), that is like a 40 yard pass on a rope. But from the far side of the field, that adds like another 22 yards or so (field is 52 yards wide or so right?). So, the pass would have to be 62 yards on a rope.
Maybe Elway can do that, but certainly not every good QB. And JM never tries it. I don’t think ST’s is stronger than JM’s.
Well, DS, you had it pretty close that it wasn’t that vertical in yardage, but yardage as far as the QB is throwing. I didn’t say which hash the ball was on, but lets say right hash. But a deep out is 10 or more yards up and to the sideline. And I think you are adding up to the out and not taking geometry into account. You had the answer pretty much right at first at about a 40 yard rope back to the strongside. No, it’s not a throw a coach calls, but is one that a pro QB should be able to make when needed.
@space
I don’t think 10 yards is deep. I was saying more like 20. 10 is like a normal out pattern. And the WR is generally 1-3 yards from the sideline. So, if the QB is nearing the sideline on the opposite end, that alone is almost 50 yards in a field which is 52 yards wide. So a pass that didn’t gain a yard would have to be thrown about 50 yards. Add the route upfield to that, and the fact the QB isn’t really throwing the ball at the LOS but likely 5-10 yards behind it (making the real distance from the location of the throw to the WR position 25-30 yards upfield if the pattern is 20 yards), and 62 yards or so may be undercutting the actual distance the QB has to throw the ball.
PS It doesn’t matter which hash mark the ball is hiked. Deep outs are near the sideline, and if the QB is on the other side of the field, that is the distance that you measure.
@minersrock:
Perhaps I misunderstand the play you describe, but it reads like you want to see Tolzien flushed to his left (weakside) and, while running to the left, throw a deep out to the far (right) sideline.
Correct me if I am wrong, but that’s pretty much an impossible play for a right-handed QB.
Claude, you caught on. I put Tolzein in a scenario impossible unless after he was flushed he rolled right and could put some mustard on it. Still a tough pass, but not impossible. Thanks for noticing instead of trying to dissect it too much.
DS, take a look at deep out depth.
http://www.top-wide-receiver-training.com/deep-out-route.html
Since I never said where the release point was or where the WR was actually targeted, how can anybody come up with numbers? I can work it to be 40 if I create the right scenario. But this was just havng some fun with the recent Tolzeinmania that is going on. Just as you have been trying to fill in the blanks based on the scant information I provided, the same is being done with Tolzein after this preaseason game. Sorry if you didn’t realize this was done a little tongue-in-cheek.
ninersrock
I figured something was wrong.
But you can get the numbers by knowing the dimension of the field, and estimate how far the ball must travel. You figure the QB isn’t running only a few yards because you say he is flushed out. Implying a defender is near the QB. Unlike a roll out which just moves the pocket. So, the QB needs to create the space from the defender to throw the ball across his body. In ST case, he isn’t the quickest accelerator, so he needs to run further to create the same space from a defender than a player who accelerates faster does. So, he’s running pretty far toward the sideline and releases the ball closer to the sideline than to the middle of the field. Plus you said throw across the field. Also implying that the QB was near the sideline rather than in the middle of the field where if he was located you’d just say throw right or left. And the out route is near the sideline (at least when the announcers say it is an out route). So you just pick and choose where each player is on the field, and measure the distance.
Besides this exercise was more fun than the constant back and forth here. Thanks.
:- )
You guys don`t know half of the upside to Scott .He is the most compasionate 20 something person I know. He will be a starter some day in the NFL.He is sooo smart and will be whatever he wants to be in life. I only wish he was our backup in Green Bay.If SF is smart he will be #2 real soon.
@dababe
What gives you the impression that Scott is compasionate? Not doubting you. Just wondering.
Passionate, maybe dababe means?
What’s that smell? Either Chevron is on fire again or the Raiders are playing.
Same difference I suppose.
And it took a grand total of 2 minutes for Carson to throw an interception. I love the Raiders.
Palmer sucks. Their last QB would have gotten them to the playoffs if not for his injury. Now that they got rid of him, any hopes of sniffing the playoffs are in the toilet.
Is it actually on TV? Sucks for them either way.
To be fair DS: it’s been 20 minutes without a Darren McFadden injury. That’s gotta be a record.
Raiders cant catch the ball either, how many penalities do they have already, I just started watching.
I said Tolzien could start for the Raiders and caught all kinds of flack here from people saying Carson Palmer was so much better. I just don’t see it…Maybe he is color blind and thinks the Cowboys Defenders run better routes than his receivers so he wants to hit them while their open.
MSC .. you’re on a roll. Funny stuff. Keep them coming.
Gruden is raving about Matt Leinart teaching the offense to Carson Palmer. This is the best entertainment I’ve had all week.
“On Split Wide Right 80 you take a bong hit”
Hold breath, when falling – exhale. Next play.
Janikowski slid in to 2nd base and missed a gimme kick. Did I mention I love the Raiders?
Move back to LA you traitorous bastards.
And the Raider tradition of putting together a putrid offense continues.
Going way off topic, but it’s like a slow day, so don’t hate for it.
MM posted a nice article on Chris Owusu. I’m hoping he gets more playing time at both WR and special teams – especially at KR. He was solid as a kick returner for Stanford and is the fastest guy on the team. Give him a shot JH.
http://www.csnbayarea.com/football-san-francisco-niners/niners-talk/Owusus-successful-return-does-not-includ?blockID=756077&feedID=5936
LOL Preach on lemons…… I hate them both. The seagulls wont even show up for this Crapbowl. UH OH Matt L is in. LMAO!!!
What an offensive explosion. You know its bad when they send the 1st unit back on the field in week 1 of pre season. And they still go 3 and out. Ha ha haaaa ML has outplayed everyone else. Both teams suck. HA HA HAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA
Watching the Raiders and Cowboys suck at the same time is like Christmas in August.
It does give me a warm feeling inside.
Nothing like watching two teams you hate stink up the place. Especially for me, since I’m in Cowboy country.
We can all bond over that!
True that ribico.
SI’s Jim Trotter gives his impressions after visiting 49ers training camp:
http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/2012/writers/jim_trotter/08/10/49ers-training-camp-postcard/index.html?xid=sbnation
Weird that Trotter mentions JJ as a challenger to CK7 but makes no mention of Tolzien.
Trotter is usually more observant than that.
MSC,
I’m telling you, we have to temper our enthusiam for Tolzien. Undrafted and cut by the Chargers. He might be a system fit for this offense but that’s not going to win us a super bowl. My position to reserve judgement until camp is over. We’ve seen 1 preseason game against the Vikings, and remember our running game 260 yards set up everything we did friday night.
Translation. Tolzien is going to beat out JJ for the 3rd QB, adding yet again to my unbroken string of silly proclamations.
MSC,
Trotter didn’t overlook it, he knows that there’s a process.
Ribico,
Try leading instead of following. Time will tell. I’m willing to bet, are you? We can forward the funds to Grant?
Save your money 23welcher, mental illness medication can be very expensive
CrabtrePrime,
BS said you were getting cut? HAHAHA
Have you written Alex to marry him yet, or you sicking with the alien BS!?
Trotter’s piece is a great example of how the national guys just regurgitate information. There is nothing in there that we hadn’t heard from the local writers.
As for Johnson, he is battling with Tolzien just to make the team. I would not be surprised to see Johnson and Tolzien switch in their rotation this week.
Will you EVER get some new material 23?
whats up neal/23 jordan?
Midwest,
Next year, when we get a new QB. Yes, I will be here all year
I’ll take that as a no from you 23. According to you, we’re still a QB away from a playoff win.
Midwest,
Take that as a no.
I did 23. Now please, continue your parrot imitation.
vato 23, last year, this year, next year, smith gone, trolling is not your thing holmes……..your lousy chico…….
@msclemons, Jack:
Trotter’s piece is also based upon his visit to training camp on a single day, August 7 (last Tuesday), so whatever happened that day likely will be overemphasized.
Yes, let’s temper our enthusiasm for Tolzien until we see how he performs against legitimate NFL competition.
But let’s simultaneously declare Josh Johnson the best QB on the team and the future starter based upon his actual production in games against legitimate NFL competition:
96 for 177 (54.2%) for 1042 yards (5.9 y/a)
5 TDs, 10 interceptions; passer rating of 57.5
He’s 0-5 as a starter.
claude, does it ever get tiresome throwing logic out there?
@ribico:
No, what’s tiresome is jordan’s repetitive nonsense.
Hey Latino Loco,
Pinche Cabron…que onda wey puta ?
Claude Balls,
What were the Josh-excuses that led to those poor stats?
Eco
How many contracts has JJ signed/re-negotiated with with Tampa? Because AS signed 3 times/negotiated 1 time. That means the Niners wanted him more than they didn’t. And they could have dumped him with no salary cap hit 2 times. And could have dumped him with reasonable loss if they didn’t re-negotiate
If JJ only signed 1 contract, seems like those excuses were legit reasons. Not excuses.
Ouch, the truth hurts.
I also am surprised the coaches aren’t more excited outwardly about Tolzien. It looks like the kid has had a lot of poise in the two games I’ve seen him play. He certainly isn’t flying under the radar with his performances, so I don’t understand the tempered mood about him.
I am one of his biggest fans, but I’m second guessing myself wondering if he’s really just another Corey Sheets.
Are you seeing a different ST in practice than we see in the games Grant?
That’s exactly what he is Chris. You’re bias. But it’s understandable. You like the guy. Bottom line. He needs action against the 1′s fom a quality opponent. That’s the real test. He’s never played a snap in a regular season game. Guys up here seem to be forgetting that.
I do like his poise, but it needs to bedisplayed under some real fire. Hopefully Harbaugh gives everyone a chance against Opponents #1′s.
thats earned in practice and theres a thing called a depth chart where it goes best to worst, right now it looks like this….
1.AS
2.CK/ST
3.?
4.JJ
Latino,
You don’ know enough about football to be spewing that informatin. You’re still a little green. Keep piggybacking BS, I mean DS and you’ll never havea voice here. For refence, look above at my following. You are not eligible yet.
You don’ know enough about football to be spewing that informatin.
This coming from someone who only talks about the QB position because he has nothing else to offer.
On SFGATE
The QB depth chart as we saw in the Viking game was the unofficial QB depth chart the team has set according to JJ.
Guess another “inside knowledge” tip 23J got after the Niners signed him wasn’t so correct as he thought.
To think. 23J wrong. WOW!
http://blog.sfgate.com/49ers/2012/08/13/hes-no-4-johnson-not-surprised-by-preseason-pecking-order/
Everyone is ready to give JJ the axe already huh? after 8:00 mins in one preseason game? Guys got talent just needs a shot. Tolzien is good against 3rd strings we all know this. I think JJ knows how to start in this league, and we want Tolzien to start a playoff game with no experience? Or kaep for that matter we ould have no chance.
JJ was 0-5. Threw 2x more Int’s than TD’s (AS had over a 3:1 ratio TD:INT) and had a QB rating 40 points or so lower than AS. JJ played against the least experienced players on a horrible Vikings team, and with his real game experience advantage, was not better than CK/ST. He threw 2 incompletions. One in the ground on a very short pass, the other a drop from a RB with little receiving experience which was slightly off target and thrown without any touch and was rifled in again on a short pass. If JJ can’t throw short pases, he has no future as a WCO QB. Our “leading WR” drops that pass. So a backup RB has no chance to make that catch.
If JJ is better, he didn’t show it last year or in the Viking game.
4life,
They don’t get it. Undrafted fre agent phenom! They dont get it. But they will.
That statement would hold water if it came from somebody besides you 23. You’re on a roll, and nowhere near in a good way.
4Life,
If you debate with the dumbest poster on this blog, you’ll be worse for it. BS, I mean DSis a racist . It hates black players. It actually believes that Josh Johnson played poorly on friday. Need I say more. DS is BS. DS is BS. DS is BS DS is BS DS is BS!
And still no new material. Sheesh.
Midwest,
You’re gonna have to piggyback someone elses messages. I’m going to bed sir.
Good night 23. Please have something to talk about besides the QB position soon. Thanks.
MidWestNiner