Crabtree v. Maxwell

Michael Crabtree: 6-1, 214 pounds

v.

Byron Maxwell: 6-1, 207 pounds

Both of Crabtree’s catches last week came when the defender was playing off of Crabtree. Crabtree struggled on his releases against press coverage because he doesn’t yet have the quickness needed to beat tight coverage.

He should be better against the Seahawks than he was against the Rams with another week of practice under his belt, plus the confidence he gained by being able to play last Sunday.

On the other hand, Byron Maxwell looked excellent against the Saints, breaking up two passes and only allowing one catch. He has the size to jam Crabtree, and you know Pete Carroll will make Maxwell jam Crabtree most of the time.

I don’t think Crabtree is healthy enough to consistently beat Maxwell’s jam. Remember, Crabtree struggled against press coverage in the 2011 NFC Championship Game – 1 catch for 3 yards, and he was much healthier back then.

Advantage: Seahawks

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  1. The 2011 Crabtree is probably an unfair comparison. He was a completely different player, whether his productivity at the position is by virtue of his own growth or the change at QB, I don’t think we can use that as supporting data.

    1. The 2013 Crabtree is probably an unfair comparison. He was a completely different player, whether his productivity at the position is by virtue of his own growth or the injury, I don’t think we can use that as supporting data.

  2. I agree with most of what you say. BUT, Cratree always has issues with press coverage. He only beats Patrick Peterson in press consistantly.and even then it was a perfect throw.

    Crabs had issues with press in the Super Bowl too. Crabs does not fair well with Sherman. I know most people do not, but we need to be honest in Crabs ability when 100% let alone now. It will be interesting to see how this plays out. I don’t think we have enough to beat th Seahawks man up. We need to scheme and coach our way to a successful passing game.

    If I were the hawks I would put Sherman on WR #2 and double WR #1.

    If I were the Niners I would run bunch sets and exploit the defense with MM. I think Mario will be the key to open things up. Two first downs by MM and eh defense will be on their heals.

      1. 23J, Rib – He actually didn’t say he was leaving the blog but this is one of the few posts that I ever agreed with Suede on. The call on Brooks was B.S.

        Big Suede says:

        November 17, 2013 at 4:32 pm

        I give up on watching football. This is not the game i grew up watching. Like this game is meaningless. I am turning it off now. I dont care if the niners win or lose. If you cant hit brees when he is holding the ball there is no point- there is just no point.

  3. Terrible attempt. First off Crabs does not struggle against the press. In Seattle he struggled because the entire offense cannot get off to a verbal snap count. They watch the ball just like the defense.
    Give me an example where Crabs has struggled versus the press with Kaep at QB other than up in Seattle where all offenses struggle. You can’t. Pointless article. They will have to switch off coverages in this game. Even 70% of Crabtree is too much for this kid Maxwell.

    1. My guess is this is all based on the fact that crab isn’t 100%. Because if he were he’d eat Maxwell alive. Maxwell did play well last week vs kenny stills and Robert meachum, some real all star talent.

    2. Baydouche says “Give me an example where Crabs has struggled versus the press with Kaep at QB other than up in Seattle where all offenses struggle. You can’t”

      Well dummy, how about last year on Monday night against the Bears cover 2 where he got pressed at the line all game and ended with 3 catches for 31 yards. Peanuts!

      Then how bout the game right after against NO where they pressed Crabs at the line and he ended up with 3 for 26.

      I’ll be at the game Sunday, where you sitting, I’ll come by and say hello?

      1. Trying to get to MD’s spot around 11:45. Leave your family at the gate. Would hate to see them have to witness what you have coming….

      2. Bay and prime let me know where you two are going to meet, maybe i can bring some of my students to teach them how real men solve their problems.

      3. My mistake Prime but i thought you were directed to leave your family behind…..I guess they might be serving adult beverages

      4. Way to many seahak fans that need an a$$whoppin. Rather than fighting each other, but if you must ill film. Lol

        On a serious note. Pole m there is a catwalk by the catwalk is a recycling area. One row towards the park is where we will be at. Look for some beer pong, loud music, two TV’s and two grills. Might even bring out Big Joe! My blowup Niner guy. Come through have a beer, a shot, and a plate. Wheeeeeew!

      5. Thanks MD, fighting was never on my mind but whatever floats his boat. We want to do some tailgating so we will try and stop by. Should be a great game! It will be my first 49ers game after being a fan for over 30 years, picked a good one I hope!

      6. >> It will be my first 49ers game after being a fan for over 30 years,

        A ‘Stick virgin! You just missed the cutoff, PT. Enjoy your first game! Arrive *very* early.

    3. Crabtree’s yards per catch against Seattle the last 2 years has been slightly higher than his overall average during that span.

  4. I don’t expect to see any “Advantage Niners” from you this week. But I do find it comical that Maxwell, a #4 corner, gets the “advantage” over Crabtree. And it’s even more comical you use a game from 2 years ago to help your case. Arizona’s Peterson presses, as well as the Seahawks last season. Last game vs Seahawks, crab 4 catches for 65 yards. Not a bad day and a WAY more accurate measuring stick to this weeks game.
    Out of curiosity if Crab was 100% would you still give Maxwell, a bench warmer, the advantage?

      1. Id say he’s about 70-75%. Enough to get the better of Maxwell. Hopefully. But I’m not expecting much from crab. 4-5 catches 40-60 yards is a win in my books.

  5. Another point to be made. Crab will also play an abundance of snaps vs Sherman. Sherman is strictly a LCB and the niners WRs don’t play specific sides. Crab and boldin will face Sherman and maxwell.

    1. “Sherman is strictly a LCB”

      In week 2 he followed Boldin all over the place so that’s not 100% true.

      This is one of the interesting things to watch on Sunday. How will the Seahawks try to match up?

      I think we will see a fair amount of 12 personnel, especially if McDonald is good to go. This puts their 3 best receivers on the field while still being able to run it effectively.

      1. I don’t believe he did. I’m almost 100% that Sherman only covered boldin when he lined up on his side. Could be wrong of course. I would like to see more three wr sets. They use their 5th CB now. Have to exploit that

      2. Jack:

        I think we will see a fair amount of 12 personnel, especially if McDonald is good to go. This puts their 3 best receivers on the field while still being able to run it effectively.

        I don’t follow you. Doesn’t the 21 grouping do the same thing? What does the 12 grouping give them that the 21 grouping doesn’t, other than it is a (slightly) different look?

      3. the 12 vs. 21 group is basically McDonald vs. Bruce Miller.

        More and more this year the Niners have been expanding Miller from the traditional Fullback role. He’s been moved around from the backfield and up on to the line and as a receiving option. Miller has become as much of a Fullback as he is a short yardage H-back and safety valve.

        I think he’s saying the 21 group is favored because so far Miller has been the more reliable receiver and is the better blocker. I think the only thing you give up is that McDonald can get downfield better.

  6. one thing I found interesting about the deployment of Crabtree and Boldin were that it appeared that the strong and weak side of the formations would swap at times which would make Boldin the Split End and Crabtree the Flanker. This worked well against the Rams because Boldin was absolutely abusing the Corner covering him. He was so strong he ran right through the guy’s press coverage on him as the split end (I don’t think this would work as well against Seattle’s DBs). I mention this because this little formation wrinkle moves Crabtree to Flanker where would be off of the line of scrimmage and creates a little bit of space between him and any Corner trying to press him. It gives Crabs a little bit more space to work to release off of the line.

  7. This is a game in which we should see more of K.Hunter, B.Miller, working the sidelines with swing passes and Vance McDonald on some wheel routes.

    I also, believe that we’ll see CK run on some designed plays just to keep their front 7 from getting to comfortable in the box.
    That being said, we will need to score 21-27 points.

    But this game may rest on our defense keeping the c-hawks below 17-20 points.
    Although we could conceivably still make the playoffs with a loss on Sunday, the psychological ramifications of losing another game to the c-hawks could extend well beyond this season which does not bode well for me. But hopefully we don’t have to cross that bridge.

    24-17 49ers

    1. disagree, those are tactics to use against slow LBs, but Seattle’s LBs are among the fastest in the league. This is the game to run Gore or play-action on first & second down, aiming for 3rd and short or chunk plays. Seattle, like the niners, absolutely kill teams that try to throw short and wide b/c of their LB speed along with bid DBs who all tackle well.

  8. Crabtree lined up against Maxwell, even not at 100%, should be a good matchup for the 49ers. It will be interesting to see what the Seahawks do with Sherman – whether they have him shadow Boldin again all game. If they do then Crabs will be targeted often.

    1. I disagree. Crabtree did not have the quickness to beat the press or separate during the route last week. He’ll be better this week but not much better. Any CB who can press will give him trouble right now. Go back and look at the trouble he had with little Janoris Jenkins’ jams.

      1. Crabtree did not have the quickness to beat the press or separate during the route last week.

        That really hasn’t ever been his strength(s) Grant. Crabtree’s strengths lie in the fact that he can catch passes no matter what the the coverage may be and can gain more yards after the catch due to his physicality.

      2. MidWest, one of his main strengths is his ability to create some separation through his quick feet and ability to get the DB flat-footed. Grant is correct he won’t be at 100% in this regard yet. But he shook some rust off last week. Playing him off the LOS will help him to beat the jam also. He should pose problems for Maxwell.

      3. MidWest, one of his main strengths is his ability to create some separation through his quick feet and ability to get the DB flat-footed.

        True, but he can still make the catch without those two strengths as evidehttp://sports.yahoo.com/news/mnf-did-crabtree-beat-peterson-040615697–nfl.htmlnced here:

    2. I agree Midwest, Crabtree rarely has separation, but he is a strong hand receiver with great hands. Kaep is not afraid to throw the ball to him, under those circumstances.

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