Secretly, Jim Harbaugh and Greg Roman have already watched Peyton Manning work out and have given him a physical, according to Adam Schefter, who calls the 49ers the mystery suitor for the Hall of Fame quarterback.
Apparently, Harbaugh and Roman flew to Durham, North Carolina on Tuesday to meet Manning and watch him work out Tuesday night.
In my previous post I guessed the Niners and Alex Smith were waiting for Peyton Manning to sign. That was wrong. The Niners weren’t waiting for anything. They were beating everyone to the punch to Manning.
Here’s my question: When Harbaugh and Roman secretly flew across the country for Manning, were they lockstep with Alex Smith then?
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Well, at least we can say the 49ers will leave no stone unturned with this look at Manning. Now it becomes whether the 49ers are serious contenders for him now that we are in the race for him.
It’s just too logical a move for us… except will PM cost $20M/yr? Oh well, he’s probably worth it for 2-3 years.
Pick up Early Doucet/Schillenz in FA, an OG to compete with Kilgore, and hopefully draft Fleener. Dang, I’m pumped!
i think this is where i say “told you so”
i know, no one likes to hear it, or anyone who says it, but this perfectly fits the model of Baalke as a sharp, rational poker player. hall of fame qb becoming avail? well, if i want to win a SB, better take a look at him.
ok, i expect lots of hate for saying this, so fire away. wont matter, cause i love the Niners. either way, i hope Alex does well. go Niners
Alex is trash. Now if alex leaves to be somebodies water boy all his pathetic male groupie followers that are alex fans not niner fans, can leave our fan base and we will stop being ridiculed for not knowing football cause the alex pansies that reflect poorly niner wans will be gone. Come to SF Peyton and lets win a ring. Alex dont let the door hit your bust butt on the way out.
DanBunz, you sound like an idiot.. You’re a sorry individual, you should add alittle bit more dosage in your medication…Your a fool numb nuts..hahaha
Totally agree says
Bunz is D-Bag to the Highest degree. I’ve been supporting Alex since Day 1 but if you’re asking me who I would want as the 49er QB?
C’mon PM would be the Man. But nothing has happened & most likely it won’t happen so if PM goes to Denver I’m good with it.
Numb nuts, good one you stupid little goober. Go follow your boyfriend alex 3 and out smith to another team punk!
You show your maturity when you make posts like these Dan.
What’s wrong with you @DanBunz? You call yourself a fan? Football is a team effort. The weight doesn’t just fall on Alex’s shoulders. It’s not his fault no one has believed in him. You don’t like it? Fine, no one is forcing you to be a niner fan. Niners empire doesn’t need this bs from you. Smh.
You don’t put a defense like theirs together for no reason. They would be the Super Bowl favorites in my opinion should they sign Manning! JH ego will not be a problem when dealing with Manning and his the two will probably work very well together as Payton has never had a head coach who could tell him no before, something he probably needs.
…and they went out there on Tuesday night. That was first day of FA. INTERESTING!!!
It was Thursday and not Tuesday. Another question I ponder, if they were in NC Thursday, then who worked out Manningham in Santa Clara on Thursday? Coach and OC were not there??? No wonder why he took off, they probably said were trying to get manning and manningham probably said when you do, sign me up!!!
It was Tuesday night: http://espn.go.com/new-york/nfl/story/_/id/7696945/san-francisco-49ers-worked-peyton-manning-week-sources-say
Oops, that changes everything I just said
Harbaugh know as a GREAT recruiter…… let’s find out how good!
Wow, thats huge news so why cant they get him signed, I mean the Niners are the best team out there compared to DEN, AZ, and TEN?
If we get Peyton can we still sign Mike Wallace?
Wouldn’t Manning eat up all the cap space?
They were planning to sign A smith for $8-11mil, reports are den and tenn would be offering manning 60 mil over 5 yrs or 12mill per year. So $$$ is budgeted for a starting QB already
Yes, and they can structure it so that his cap figure is smaller this season.
If we get manning, we won’t need Wallace. We draft 2 WR and we are good.
23jordan, the genius..lol
That’s an awesome question. I think the motivation to get Wallace is lower w/out signing Manning, but if you could some how some way work cap magic to make it happen, I would think getting Wallace would be a huge priority if they were to get Manning.
I don’t know how it would be possible. One number I saw was that the Niners have about $19k in cap space remaining for next year. The math just doesn’t work out. Even if Manning were to sign for bargain basement normal QB money at a cap hit of $12mil, then there would only be $7mil left to sign Wallace and next year’s draft class.
I can’t see it working.
Grant…?
If they sign Manning, forget Wallace.
@Grant
But our weakness last year would not really be addressed.
RM may be great, or he may stink it up. The Niners contract for him pretty much spells it out.
DS, maybe the coaches and front office think that signing Manning WILL address the biggest weakness from last year. Just saying.
If so jack, then the Niners had better win NOW.
And WR remains the biggest weakness on the team. Like you keep telling me we only have KW and MC and Hastings and Swain. That isn’t going to scare anybody.
DS, The possibility of losing your precious Alex has shaken you up. We have Crabtree, Moss, KW, and sure, throw in Hastings.
They will also add 2 more receivers through the draft or Free Agency. The good part about Peyton is that he lifts the play of the receivers, not the other way around. Shoot, he lifts the play of the entire team around him. Look at the fall off in Indy last year for the proof of that.
@jack
He is your precious AS as well.
Yes. They have those players. I said that. And those same players played poorly in the playoffs. Don’t see how PM will change that. PM himself plays poorly in the playoffs. How is he (a poor playoff QB) going to raise the level of players around him who played poorly in the playoffs?
And how do you know the rookies will?
And you think that the Niners have a big window of time to win if they have PM? I don’t. This is pretty much a one year deal. Remember what happened to Favre? He played well until the NFC Title game. Then stank it up. The following year, his play fell off dramatically. Same thing for Issac Bruce. Year 1 here, he was a force. In year 2, he just vanished.
You get these old “great” players and you can count on only one thing. They are not going to stay great for long.
DS, AS is not my precious in any way, shape or form. He is at least 1 peg below P Manning, no doubt about it.
Manning has made receivers like Stokely, Collie, and Gonzalez very effective receivers due to his ability to get the ball out quick, on time and accurately.
I don’t care about Manning having a big window. I want him to come in and take this team that last step for the next 2-3 years, and then for CK to take over the reigns.
Walsh set up the transition from Montana to Young by giving Young spot starts throughout the year to keep Joe healthy, and I can see a similar situation playing out here.
Remember, Harbaugh wants to build on Walsh’s legacy, and this would be the next step in that progression.
Doesn’t everyone get it, Manning makes the receivers. Our tight end production will go up 50%. There will be a 1000 yard receiver on the team even if we don’t know who he is yet. Is the ground moving in SF yet?
This would be epic :D , and because it happened so quiet we have a good chance
If the Niners sign Peyton Manning they instantly become Super Bowl contenders. What’s that you say? They already are Super Bowl contenders. Oh… Then tell me, Why would they want Peyton Manning? Oh…… I see…
I think we are already contenders. This would make us the favorites. This is pretty exciting. I didn’t think it a reality. My favorite qb playing for my favorite team. Hell of a concept!
Do be SB favorites instead of contenders :)
This is a crazy turn of events…does this mean #18 signs with us? Maybe, maybe not, but to be in this position? Who would have thought? Going to be an interesting few days.
Looks like Harbaugh used a body double to eat those bagles. I knew they had something up their sleeve.
It was the Noah’s-not even boiled!
Even if they land Manning they still need a few more quality bodies (that doesn’t sound right but i’ll write it anyway) at wide receiver.
Now this is a ‘revelation!’
But on the other hand, it could just be a well formulated scheme by Condon to light a fire under 49ers/Alex to settle.
The other angle could be that perhaps Payton Manning could really be interested in the 49ers. With the signing of R.Moss and the idea of throwing to VD, this team is ‘gift-wrapped’ for a Superbowl run.
At 35, and coming off a serious neck injury, Manning is definitly on the ‘fast-track’ to acheive another Superbowl victory and 49ers give him the best opportunity.
Quite the conundrum indeed!
I guess Harbaugh isn’t married to Smith afterall, lol. The niners gotta make this happen. Then A Smith can assume his rightful position as back up QB…
I would love to sign manning then resign smith as the #2 at 25% of what he would have received as a starter (because nobody else is going to sign him for more than that)… GENIUS TB/JH
And why would smith do that….he would have no choice but to take it or go be the #3 in Jax
Hey idiot, A. Smith will be a Starter for teams like the Seahawks, Cardinals, Titan, Dolphins even with the Broncos…lol
And your the guy who hides behind no name. But I didn’t call you an idiot because I’m not an idiot! Its a blog, everyone can have their own opinion.
Well said Jallen. Just opinions here.
Jallen,
The guy is just a butt hurt Alex Dmith lover who sees his idol somewhere suffering. Sorry alex, it’s a business!!
just FYI guys, if someone’s name doesn’t appear, you can highlight the space where the name should be and it will appear.
23Jordan, Post your genius remarks after this season. when the 49ers records is 6-10 at the end of the season with CK on the helm…Alex Smith won’t be resigning with the niners even if Manning doesn’t signed with the 49ers…goodluck fools..hahahahahahaha
I’d like to see Alex Smith signed with Seattle Seahawks so he can play the niners twice a year! I doubt Arizona they’re commited with K. Kolb now..
Hey idiot nobody wants alex smith which is why he hasnt signed anywhere else. NFL Network has reported “no interest” in alex smith. Awww your boyfriend isnt any good nobody wants him. Alex better go get an insurance license. You no name little tard.
@DanBunz, Are you really retarted? What makes you think the reason why A. Smith hasn’t signed with another team? Theres a reason why, because everything evolving on what P. Manning is going to do..
If your so intelligent, you won’t be making all this idiotic comments..Take your medication maybe it will give your mind a relief so you can think right..
Just because you say you’re “lock step” doesn’t means things don’t change. and they do. You leave all possible opportunities open even when you have someone like Smith. What if it doesn’t pan out with Manning? Then, you still have Smith. I believe that every single person out there, 49er fan or not, would say that Manning, when healthy, is much better than Smith. I really was hoping for a chance for Smith, but this is too good of an opportunity to pass up. In Baalke I trust!!!
like a lock-stepped marching platoon …. performing a little razzle dazzle…..for investigative purposes
Sneaky-never hint to Moss that Manning might come onboard..or else Moss wants a fortune. And like Grant said to my “If we lose Smith,will it be a huge impact” ..and he said-the 49ers wouldnt think so. Perfect.
..and of course signing Moss is like bread to Mannings main butter. Get’s Manning to think..
I never thought Jed would splurge..but that SOB might have had lightning hit AGAIN..low ball Manning(Like he did HARBAUGH)…but Manning see’s a Super Bowl in SF.
Maybe that’s why Moss signed so fast.
Another take. Who called whom?
http://blog.sfgate.com/49ers/2012/03/16/report-49ers-enter-pursuit-of-peyton-manning/
so AS did have a heads up
Wow! I was just watching replays of Saints loss at The Stick, switch back to the zone and ‘WHAM’… Well, we don’t have him, yet. Still, leave it to Baalke to keep everyone guessing.
Got to smh at the headline. Where does it say they want him? If that were so wouldnt they have offered him a contract? At best they are kicking the tires.
They flew across the country for him and showed up Alex Smith in the process.
Like Larry Baer unleashing the KNBR dogs on Cain..Murphy laughing at Cains education? Your dad knows what that means..
GC, exactly. That’s why I think AS has multiple options! TC may be playing the 9ers – PM gets a gig with Titans or Denv – AS gets a big long term contract with another QB hungry team, and the 9ers get CK. Hmm!
seems like a salty comment directed at AS…..showing him up….maybe AS knew what was going on the whole time since the agent is the same
Caddying for Harbaugh is looking worse than ever.
GC, not necessarily. TC may get the last laugh. Hmmm..
After this year there will be a list of Alexisms. First and foremost, caddying for your coach is a kiss of death….
or at least one of late night shows top 10 reasons blah blah blah
friendship is friendship, grant….so he caddied for the guy…..
let see …. obama was at a cocktail party with a known domestic terrorist promoter or gave a racist a hug during a campus forum….before he was president…. how will this really affect his push for a second term…..i thought about deleting this part but naah….it is all about teflon
Things are going to happen very fast.
I wouldn’t say “at best” they are kicking the tires.
At best they are actively recruiting the guy.
But… I think where you’re going is what they’re talking about now on ESPN radio, our guys would be derelict in their duties not to check out Manning and every other FA that’s at that level.
There’s no harm, no foul. Smith is a UFA. In that context, no one is forced out if Manning is signed. Yeah, it looks a bit slimy with the caddy thing and all the lovey-dovey comments but remember, they’ve said all along, they will always look to improve and upgrade every position. The QB position is not immune to that.
If Manning is healthy and can play and it doesn’t break the bank, then hell… go for it. It doesn’t guarantee a Superbowl but let’s be honest, it fulfills the promise of looking to upgrade EVERY position.
Now, if they determine he’s not 100% or if there are too many conditions attached like changing the offense all around, veto power over who gets brought in here, etc.? Meh… I don’t know, probably not worth it.
Could all be a ruse. These guys are sneaky.
Who knows, but it’s damned interesting.
Great points.
Tico, I would say than Peyton at 60% of his former self is better than Alex.
Dude nobody are arguing about Manning better than A. Smith. A. Smith can carry the load as a starter for any team…And he probably be in the top 10 QBs in the NFL comes next season..
Oneniner,
Pipe down and start packing your shi-. You are headed out of town on a rail, along with Alex Smith. You are officially the minority right now. See you later, bye now!
As long as he can play..
Come to think of it ,if Smith had been only 10% better then himself vs NY..the 49ers would have been in the SB.
Stan, Honestly ..was it A. Smith fault that K. William made those critical 2 miscues, that cost the 49ers the trip to teh SB? Seems not along time ago , we where in a position to do so.. You’re a fool.. 10%???? lol
Did you hear what TGinn said about that a couple of days ago? Check it out! Something about being healthy and playing in the championship game….
Actually it was Alex Smith’s fault that the K Williams had the two critical miscues. All year long the team had to learn to change its mentality of “not losing the game” as in the Dallas game, to actually “playing to win the game” as in the Philly game.
had Alex Smith simply scored by making better presnap reads, protection plans, and by making better throws, you don’t give the Giants a chance to exploit your weakness.
Medicone, Please share what your smoking ! lol
I still wonder if they will really make a financial commitment that suits Manning. The Niners made a play for many a top free agent last year and this, but wouldn’t write the big paycheck, rightfully so.
Therefore, unless Manning is really interested in what Harbuagh and the Niners offer in terms of chance to win a SB, he’ll likely sign with one of the other “desperate” teams.
Just the opposite-he’s wealthy beyond now already..Just a small fortune out of SF is what they can afford and Manning has Moss,VD, and a terrific D-fense.
If I was Manning…Little cable cars..that climb to the Super Bowl..c’mon sing along!
BINGO
I would have to think that the overriding concern with Eli is getting to the SB. His deadline is not in 2 or 3 years, it’s now. The 49ers are there I don’t know the Titans or Broncos anywhere near as well the 49ers, but I think it’s safe to say those team are middle to lower in the SB chase. You don’t think that after watching his kid brother get #2 that Peyton can’t wait for his 2nd.
Andrew, hear what you are saying but there is life after football. If he retires at 40, he has at least another 40 years where a nice bank account makes life easier. He is already a HOF so money is also high on the list.
Hells yeah!!!
What’s the worse thing that can happen? He goes down, we got with CK. There’s no guarantee that AS gets us to the SB!
No guarantee Manning or Kaepernick do either. No QB in the league is a guaranteed super bowl appearance.
Exactly ! Got a good point there buddy..
And if you look at Manning’s post season record, you’ll see that fact includes him, and in spades! GREAT QB in the regular season. Post season, not so much.
but the guarantee is if manning goes down….there is a significantly more of a cap hit earlier rather than later
JG,
Manning has said that if he signs with a team, him getting hurt again would factor into his contract so that his new team doesn’t get killed financially.
Alex will go to Miami or Arizona. No way we give up on Kaepernick who will learn under the best, Manning.
arizona has to pay kolb his 7mill roster bonus tomorrow if he is still on the roster so i think you can cross Ariz off the AS list….
AS doesn’t seem to have many chairs to chose from…..but what is intersting is that condon must have a plan B that is ok with AS or there would be a bit more helter skelter stuff going on as far as leaks i suspect….
AS has said he is ok with 3 yr contract …. i think he understands the missouri sayin….it is a show me contract…..
You guys are bunch of fools. Arizona is paying K. Kolb 7 mil.. Alex Smith will go to the Seahawks and beat the niner haters twice a year.. Pete Carrol will make A. Smith a respectable QB in Seattle, he will groom this guy tobe respectable in NFL.
Pete Carol? Like he molded Matt Leinart? Or you must of meant like he molded John David Booty. Oh wait, you meant Mark Sanchez? Or is it Matt Barkley?
I don’t think you are seeing the words that are coming out of your mouth.
Medic one, don’t count your eggs, its not sure yet. And you’ll end up without a starting QB comes next season. Do honestly think now that A. Smith would still come back and take this mental abuse from the haters and management? CK is your QB.. Goodluck ! hahaha
SF quarterbacks have two requirements:
1. don’t throw a pick down the field
2. complete the 3-7 yard pass
I think they could implant just about anyone under center and be a contender.
I wish Alex Smith success and if that is in Seattle, than so be it. I do not think that Carol is the QB coach Harbaugh is. I don’t think QBs perform well at an NFL level under Carol or after Carol. That is why I listed his last 3 and a 1/2 qbs for reference. I also don’t think Seattle is interested in Alex Smith.
Ricky, are you a 49er fan?
Bay, are you? Will you support any QB JH signs this year?
Bay, Yes I have been a 49er fan since the days of John Brodie and Gene washingtons era’s.. Niners awesome defense..
In 1970 49er defense with Tommy Hart, Charlie Krueger, Dave Wilcox, Frank Nunley, Jimmy Johnson and Skip Vandurbant, Mel philipps..
First off the spelling, Carroll. Pete Carroll can coach on the big stage. He must have top people around him and he usually does. He knows how to win.
So if he took a physical and worked out, why no deal? Health still an issue or the money?
Manning doesn’t make snap decisions. He’s methodical and he’ll weigh all the options before he decides…patience my friend. ‘-)
He only makes quick decisions on the football field :)
Or Archie CEO of Team Manning will decide…lol
It’s the mon-ay! Peyton wants the same contract that he had with the Colts. He needs the cash to buy his own franchise. He may be one nasty blindside sack away from it. Think about the blindside hit Alex Smith took in the pre season game against the Saints. Peyton taking that hit will cause a ten minute game delay as we watch in disgust, thinking of all that salary cap hell we will face for want of a big splashy risky decision.
peyton has strong ties to tennesee as does his wife……
i have been gone for a few hours so i wonder if anyone has done a team comparison of what they can offer peyton..
we know the niners don’t really offer peyton any WR per se……but could pick some up in the draft easily enough….niners do offer a defense that remains intact from last year…..and good special teams kicker and punter along with a great special teams coach…..
what does denver offer….they have a pretty good defense and running game ….. pretty good rcvrs i suppose
what does tennesee offer…. probably a better D than denver will have to research that better….
manning does not throw deep (+40) very much any more if at all….his numbers go down in outdoor arenas vs indoors ….
i don’t have all the particulars at my finger tips so do need to look at the total picture both from peyton’s perspective as well as each of the teams…
but i tell u this has been a great diversion today…..minus all the caustic remarks by a few….
If this happened I would be absolutely stunned. It would seem to go against everything we know about Harbaalke, who haven’t indulged in any other big-name signings and have placed a premium on straight talk and team chemistry. It would also pin the future to one, 36-year-old, out-of-football-for-a-year, immobile, non-WCO, one-hit-away-from-oblivion guy who would singlehandedly explode our salary structure. And no, we couldn’t get Wallace. We’re $18m under now – say Manning comes at the bargain price of a $15m hit to this year’s cap (remember, he was due a $28m bonus from the Colts; I don’t know if that counted his 2012 base salary; and while we may be the best of the contenders, he still has to get paid) – the remaining $3m has to go to draft picks and finding a RG to replace Snyder. Rotsa ruck with that.
But signing PM would give us a trifecta – a WR, CB and QB who all missed 2011! My bet is this falls under the category of due diligence, nothing more.
I’ll bet my ’85 Superbowl sweatshirt this doesn’t happen. *not that anyone would want the thing; it has been lovingly worn to death*
It would be more like a quad-fecta (if there could be such a thing), since RG Leonard Davis didn’t play last year either…technically. He was on the roster of the Lions, but didn’t play a game.
I tend to agree w/you, but hey…anything’s possible…and please keep the sweat shirt, you may need it to wave around like a mad man and Manning lead games! (miracles do happen)
They have said in the past that they’ll do what it takes to upgrade and max out the talent at the QB position.
This would just be too awesome. So awesome in fact it won’t happen.
Though I hope it does. Reports everywhere are that Manning has been impressive physically. Plus he is agreeing to a security clause in the contract for what ever team signs him
Mannign has the keys to do waht he wants cuz he has suitors enough thats why he takes his time but the moment he wants to see our facility we are a major player than ;)
Interesting – I thought it was pretty vetted that Manning wouldn’t fit in for the style of offense the 49ers have: West Coast, power-running and closely controlled by Harbaugh and Roman.
Who would change – Manning or the 49ers?
They’d probably meet in the middle.
Did anyone think about Manning wanting a run first offense to reduce the risk of hits and toll on his older fragile body??? Perhaps its a match made in heaven. Manning has already proven he is one of the best ever, now he just wants to help mastermind a SB winning team for the next 2-3 seasons. Thats what I think.
Manning is a football guy. He knows a running game and defense are a QB’s best friends.
And he had neither in Indy all those years…he should be salivating over SF right now!!!
think late career John Elway, with hopefully the same results! – although I’m still sceptical it happens…
Manning will be whatever it takes to win.
Manning needs a power run game to keep the rush off him and open the passing lanes up. Moss will force the safeties out of the box, & Gore would have a field day. JH is always talking about balance and we would definitely have that with PM.
Here’s an interesting thought. Based on today’s news relevation, AS is gone. Either they sign PM or they will start CK this year. AS now has options with AZ, Sea, Mia, Clev, Jags. So Jordo, you may get your wish. TBD!
Have any of them called Alex yet? I think Flynn and David Garrard will get more action than Smith will.
AZ commited to paying Kolb his $7 million bonus today. Seattle is going hard after Flynn. Miami is looking to excite the fanbase. Cleveland commited to Colt McCoy for another year. The Jaguars just drafted Blain Gabbert last year. The Titans drafted Jake Locker last year. Great options there.
Hofer, Az is going to bay the 7 million bonus and for kolb and Miami is going after Flynn so that leaves Seattle, Cleveland and Jag. I do not believe Cleveland would be interested either.
Also, how do you know that PM would select our team over Ten or Den!!!
Hof, respectfully disagree. If the Niners and Peyton don’t work out a deal and he goes to Denver or Tenn, then I believe the Niners and Alex will hash out their agreement. I highly doubt they lose out on both guys.
Don’t give out hope yet Hofer. It ain’t over till it’s over.
Hofer,
Alex Smith is now homeless. He has nowhere to go. He will be a backup in the NFL this year. I told you to pack your bags last week Hofer. Your boy Alex is out. At least we both agree in that.
Its not homeless, You can say his moving on to the next chapter another direction best for him.. He’ll make more money with another organization..And be appreciated for his efforts and respected for his achievements..
More important: Are they making an offer?
I have to say that I don’t like this, and have serious concerns about Payton’s medical condition. Is he one of the best QB’s to play the game, or at least in our generation? Yes, I think so. In his prime is he better than Alex could ever be? I think so, although not as mobile.
My concerns are will he be healthy enough to play? Is his arm back to full strength? We finally got back to our west coast offense roots, and now we throw it all away with Manning, who is not a west coast offense guy.
Alex is improving and allows the Niners to continue with their plan. Is he a top 5 QB? No, but I think he is going to be better this year than he was last year, and I think we can win with him.
I’m not an Alex cheerleader, but I like him, like his signs of improvement, and think he’s only going to get better. This new news is a kick in his nads for Alex and if we don’t get Manning I think this will not turn out well.
Just my $0.02.
i get it … but the psychology of these turn of events could be weighing on AS none the less……but JH is his friend and if AS remains a 9r he will get over it…he has had tougher life experiences to get through in life….like the suicide of his friend….
You’re right, if manning doesn’t signed with the 49ers and if he signed with the niners and it doesn’t work out and manning gets injured or hurt..Whats next Ck?
We all know right now, Alex Smith regardless what happen will sign with the seahawks. Pete Carrol has alot to offer to him in the table in a heart beat. 1. Alex will get paid what hes worth 2. He will be respected as a person in seattle and 3. He will be an elite QB ..
49er fans be prepared to have CK as your starter next year. I don’t blame A. Smith if he decide not to resigned with the niners. $9ers will be 6-10 next season gurantee..
Ricky = oneniner. Greatest Smith lover of them all! Bye bye Ricky.
If Manning signs? I vote Harbaugh a Pulitzer. That COX signing..I hate that. A stain on an otherwise a scorching red hot coaching start.
I meant Nobel…the excitement of signing Manning..
Yes, Grant would get the Pulitzer for predicting this would happen, lol!
Where’s DSL? Did it scram?
No, think her head just exploded….
BS has been packing it’s spaceship
Up to move to denver, where Smith will be a backup behind Tebow!!! BS , don’t forget your memory pills!
Bwahahahaha!
you three all need to get with one another. Hate central
The 9ers may end up without PM or AS. TC is no fool. He is a savvy agent that may end up making major agent dollars with two teams not with the letter head SF 9ers! TBD!
Not sounding like a 49er fan now Hofer. True colors?
Bay, all speculation at this point. Once the dust has settled, I’m all in. BTW, with all of the anti QB rants over the years YOU SOUNDED LIKE A 9ER FAN? Get off my *SS!
Sounding bitter my old friend. Remember, we are 49er fans first. Above and beyond any one player….. And if there is a glaring weakness on our team, we address it, we don’t try to strengthen the team around that one player……
Not bitter just don’t see them messing with the fans when they can’t or won’t pay PM the money. Ultimately, they may not get PM and AS may get the contract you don’t think he is worth in AZ or SEA. SM is in the FO in SEA and they would love to grab AS with the JH and PC rivalry. Hmm, stay tuned!
I’ve wondered about this, too.
ESPN guys (and Linda Cohn) are saying Manning will be a $60 mil sign.
Where does that come from?
Denv is sitting on $50M under the cap. But the 9ers are still $20M under the cap so it is interesting…
Adam, are you a Cohn?
No.
Linda Cohn at ESPN was on the radio a bit ago talking about: it’s all about the money. Anyone who thinks it isn’t is a crack smoker.
In my opinion, if you’re Manning and you’re truly healthy and feel you can give a few more years and you’re a fan of sticking up for your fellow QBs under contract, you go to the 49ers.
If you’re serious about getting a piece of hardware for the finger, you do what Randy Moss just did and sign with the Niners. There’s no question about the better of the three teams or which one has the better shot at the playoffs.
If you’re looking for the massive payday? I don’t know if you get it with the Niners, although it’s only $12 mil a year. They look to be freeing some things up like cutting Spencer, etc.
I would almost wonder this: if they do this, is there a reason not to trade CK for some draft picks? I’ve got a good feeling about Tolzien but even if he’s not the guy, maybe he’s #2 this year and you stock up on picks from trading CK.
I have no problem with Alex coming back in 2012. I like the guy, as you know. 13-3 deserves a contract but if it’s not there for whatever reason and you have a shot at Manning for a year or two and maybe there’s someone coming up the draft ladder? Eh… I’d pull the trigger on it and take a chance.
Adam, I agree with Linda Cohn. PM knows how hard it is to win a SB. If a key player goes down on defense, it throws a wrench into the works. Of course it is all about dollars. Anyone that thinks a SB helps him in retirement is in la la land.
I’m sure Peyton asked Eli about the 49ers, after Eli removed the ice packs.
It seems to me, that if there really was “an offer on the table” for Smith, he could just sign it before anything happens with Manning. So, maybe it’s a low ball offer – or maybe it doesn’t have any guaranteed money in it. It makes me wonder.
still need to get that OL in shape
Harbaugh and Roman were very impressed with Peyton try out. Things can interesting, this might make Randy Moss become the fountain of youth. Please Peyton sign the contract, we want you, we want you, hey Smithers what is up with that. hahah
i have been a AS supporter and have seen clear improvements and could see him making great improvements this coming year….
but like i said 7 years ago on that dark rainy night in Austria when AS was on the late night show……i had my concerns about his leadership abilities….
sure the AS agenda people may get the last laugh but it will remain a pretty caustic laugh never the less
but i don’t care….if manning is healthy let’s do it……
what a great job by the front office getting the cap space in order to actually make this run….and clearly they were keeping manning in the loop….and that agent condon what a tight lipped SOB he is
this is clearly a sports stomach twister for this fan…..
heart rate jumps over a 110 every once in a while…..burning those calories
grant maybe your dad doesn’t need to go to the gym today…..check his heart rate if it is 135 he is burning plenty of calories
Would love to have Manning, my only concern is we need a Right guard to protect that neck. Will we get a serious discount? because he is a 20 million/yr guy and we have other needs. Maybe we can get Anthony Gonzales who already know Peyton’s offense.
The BFavre PROJECT worked well for the NYJ and Vikes. Let’s hope they have a plan? Can you say CK? There are no absolutes!!!
Very True!!! If they sign Peyton, they have to sign a new #2 whether it be alex smith, kolb, someone—too bad orton and henne both signed #2 deals already. I still think AS is the #2 even if PM signs, I doubt he gets a starting job…Sea/AZ=No Way In Hell. Jax maybe to compete with henne/gabbert. Cle=Id be shocked–>there gonna grab tannenhill or weeden. Mia=who knows, maybe. I just dont think there is a market for AS outside of SF. He signs for 2-3M to be PM backup. CK #3 and still developing for 1-2 more yrs…he needs it.
Or SF drafts weeden or coussins (not likely)
lots of possibilities for SF….but not for AS
Not so sure…
Was just thinking the same. This is speculation but… CK is, ostensibly, Baalke’s QB (Smith was drafted before his promotion). Is he using CK’s future success as a factor in weighing whether to roll with Smith or Manning. Manning’s salary would most certainly limit 49er cap space for the forseeable future. With a roster 2-3 years older, would Baalke be able to have pieces in place when CK takes the reigns?
JAllen,
I can’t see any conceivable scenario with both AS and PM on the 49ers roster. If CK was good enough for 2nd team behind AS as a rookie, he’d definitely be good enough one year later as 2nd team behind PM.
Perhaps, but Grant wrote a good blurp on this a week ago or so. That if PM did go down for the year, can CK take the team to the SB and the answer was no whereas AS could. One thing that wasnt mentioned was that without PM assuming smith was the starter and AS got hurt were still in the same boat. I think CK needs 1-2 more years to develop, just my 2cents, no factual evidence. Is PM more likely to go down that AS, not by much but slightly. AS missed games every year I think but last.
Anyhow, I think a better #2 is needed. I do not think the niners knew how good they were last year or expected to be SB contenders out the gate, with no training camp…now they know where they stand with way better coaching/mgmt and now they need to think SB and a better #2 is required for that (at least for this season)
$60 million for 5 years?
http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2012/03/16/peyton-parameters-in-range-of-60-million-over-five-years/
and now that number is 90mill for 5yrs….rumor
Well, the start the backup guy crowd may get their wish after all if:
a. Alex was po’d enough at TB’s lowball offer and skips town.
b. Manning decides to take his talents to south instead of north beach or he doesn’t impress enough in the workout to warrant using the rest of our cap.
leaving the choice between Tampa’s and our backup.
Whatever. I’m down with whomever they put in the backfield next year. “In JH we trust”…. Right, fellas?
Right. Alex, like all other QBs not in the top three, should understand kicking the tires on Peyton. If not, then so be it.
It will all work out. JH and TB have a plan!
Until PM walks through 4949 it is fodder. He’s had hours of face to face with Denv and Tenn. Pipe dream?!!
Sando has published another report. Raises some interesting points:
http://espn.go.com/blog/nfcwest/post/_/id/61101/manningwatch-five-thoughts-on-49ers
Thanks Claude, interesting points.
Some here seem to believe that Condon is playing the 49ers for better leverage manuvering for Alex. I sincerely think that our Org won’t be duped into any such smokescreen.
There’s no other team that gives Payton a chance to win a Superbowl and keep his reputation as a great QB intact.
No doubt Payton knows what happened to great QB’ like J.Unitas, J.Namath after going to teams with little chance to win. Their stars were somewhat ‘tainted’ because of poor play on bad teams.
Payton will not need to go that sad route if he comes here.
After reading 10 stories I think the thing to look for will be if/when Manning visits the 49ers facilities. If he does that, you can write it down, he’s going to the 49ers.
Makes sense! Right now we DON’T have a starting QB. For winning super bowls, this is Manning’s best choice. However, I think Alex Smith signs with (and starts) for the 49ers in 2012. I’d be shocked if Manning signed with us. At the very least JH & GR are covering their A$$es. For any reason, they need to be able to say “we signed Alex Smith because he was our best option at QB”, or if they sign Manning they can say “Alex didn’t commit and we took our best option to ensure stability in the Fall”. We’ll have to wait and see. Either way things are getting pretty exciting in Ninerland!
Because of our very strong Superbowl potential, Manning may be willing to compremise and settle at a reasonable price.
We give him the best chance at a SB, and he gives us the best chance to win. That sounds like a winning combination.
C’mon Baalke/Harbaugh/Jed, ‘get-r-done!’
As for Alex, this news will cause him to never trust what a coach says again. But on the other hand, a coach has to use every possible angle to motivate his team to play at optimum level. Harbaugh knew that this was the best approach for Alex and it worked. Whether Alex comes back or not, there will now be a ‘wall’ between him and coach Harbaugh.
One thing is for certain, the Org has issued a strong statement to Alex; Either sign our offer or look elsewhere!
“Either sign our offer or look elsewhere!”
It’s a business and Baas left last year and won a SB. JMorg left this year. Anything is possible but again there are no absolutes! AS passing to Fitz would being interesting?!!
Also Manning indicated that he didn’t want to play in cold weather. Denver COLD, Tennessee COLD. San Francisco? Not so cold baby…..
Tenn offers legacy with 3 players on staff (coaches and FO) that played with AManning. That is his likely spot given the offer of a % of the team.
@AES:
This puts up a wall only if it caught Smith by surprise. I can almost guarantee that Harbaugh Smith know what was happening. First, Harbaugh strikes me as a fairly straight shooter. Second, he’s not stupid. He knew that Condon would tell Smith what was going on.
It’s also hard to see this as a mere negotiating ploy. What are the 49ers going to do, stop pursuing Manning if Smith says, “OK, I’ll sign”? No, assuming the pursuit is legitimate, this is an opportunity to pursue an upgrade at QB, not an attempt to gain leverage over your FA QB. Moreover, if the 49ers were only feigning interest in Manning to scare Smith into signing the contract, Condon would sniff that out in a heartbeat. This has nothing to with Alex Smith, and everything to do with Peyton Manning.
*that Harbaugh let Smith know what was happening
If the interest was “all in” why wait on the sidelines while other teams are offering as much as a percentage of their team? It was JYork that said, “it’s in AS court”?!! Hmm, the mystery of it all…
Agreed Claude, which gives me cause to believe that the Payton interest is absolutely legit. This team IMO fits PM’ criteria. It is already currently primed for a deep playoff run and I believe that after meeting with Harbaugh and Baalke that his interest has piqued. The 49ers are on the ‘fast-track’ to the Superbowl even without Manning. Signing Payton is actually doing a favor for him IMO.
I agree with Claude. This is all about the chance to add a HOF QB and little to do with how they feel about Smith. There is no doubt that Smith knew about this. Same agent and very close to Harbaugh. It’s a business and everybody knows that.
i agree with this line of thought…AS knew and accepted the ramifications….
but what is interesting is the niners could have done a sign and trade but the agent probably nixed that idea….
at least with a sign and trade maybe niners could have got a 2nd round or something…..now it will be nothing
of course the initial contract would have to be a low ball starters contract…
Per Matt Barrows twitter:
“Alex Smith’s quotes in the last week appear to indicate that he knew about the Manning interest and is waiting it out the process.”
Great point! Same agent helps knowing the happenings.
If I was A. Smith, If harbaugh and baalke are trying to disrespect him by trying to acquire manning. I would move on, and forget about the loyalty to the 49er organization.. He can make more money than with the niners.. For you fools thinking nobody is going to signed A. Smith your mistaken…lol
i still don’t think it is about disrespect….it is about business
He must look at this team and think, boy if I was playing for them in 2011 there is no way we would not have won it all… Wondering how high Vegas bookies would push the 9ers going rate to win the SB in 2013?
They may be the odds on favorites if they sign PM.
I think they would make the 49ers one of the favorites, but I still have some worry about Manning’s playoff performances throughout his career. His stats say he is elite in the regular season, but not as good when he reaches the postseason. Doesn’t mean we shouldn’t go after Manning, but I would hold back on people thinking we are major favorites. While his Indy defenses have not been as good overall as our 49ers defense, his offenses have been top 5 for the most of his career compared to our offenses.
What I noticed was that Peyton struggled when the team got way behind, or when he was trying to do to much towards the end of a huge game and the score was very close or he was trying to make a comeback. If the Colts were ahead by more than one score he was lights out.
There were a couple season when Indy had a decent D – but most of the time it was all on Manning and the offense to keep scoring in order to win games (because the defnese couldn’t stop the other team from scoring….). That’s a lot of pressure on a QB.
With the 9ers defense there’s no way they get behind very often. With Manning as the QB they could completely dominate games …making it much easier for him to succeed in this system – possibly more so than anywhere else.
When the Niners had their run in the late 80′s their defense was almost as dominating as their offense. It’s why they went back-to-back and were a fumble away from being the only team in history to 3-peat.
It’s a rare combination that doesn’t happen often, and Manning would give us the opportunity to have that again. That is what makes this so exciting!!
@49erGirl Well, when I look back at the stats for his Super Bowl run, it seems that year in 2006 was when his defense was at its best and coincidentally, that was the year they won even though Manning didn’t play up to what a great QB should do in the playoffs if he were a reason why they won the Super Bowl. So I guess that bolds well for us if he signs with the 49ers, but that always tells me we just need our QB to be efficient and not make mistakes to help us win.
New England beat the Colts in freezing January. The NE defense was far superior to anything the Colts put on the field. The 49ers made sure the D was intact for 2012. Peyton does not have to carry the team. He’ll be a deadly QB with a lead. This reminds me of when the 49ers traded one Yelberton Abraham Tittle to a NY Giant team with a great defense. He brought them to three Championship games and was 36 when he got there.
Okay, he got beat in those games, first one to the Packers 37-0, one of the all-time great teams. In 1962, Packers 16-7. Wind gusts during the game made it impossible to pass. Packers fumble 5 times recover all of them. Giants fumble twice lose both. And finally 1963, Bears 14-10. Y.A. gets hit low by Larry Morris before the half and is unable to plant his foot in the second half. Frank Gifford drops a sure touchdown.
so are all three teams in the stadium for the work out….tenn denver sf
and will they have video tapes and face readers there deciphering the other teams expressions
am glad to see the tires get kicked
and still may end up with AS…..
ok they are separate workouts
Wow, not sure to what to make of this. Being a Niner fan I will support all players on the team. Of course the Niners are the closest of all the suitors to go to the super bowl and that may be lucrative enough to attract PM. On the other hand why in the world would PM want to play two of his final 3 or 4 years at the Stick. We dont have much of a receiver corp as of yet. As D Rogue said we just got the WCO back and that was one of the promises Harbaugh made when he came to the Niners. Well whatever happens, happens, if our QB is Smith, CK, Tolzien, Josh Johnson, Manning, or even myself (and I suck), I will be 100 percent supportive. This is a head scratcher for sure.
About the receivers: Manning made Pierre Garcon, Anthony Gonzalez, and Austin Collie look like great receivers.
Didn’t win a SB with any of them.
true, note I did say – as of yet.
@ hof and that is also true.
That whole colts team was pretty crappy. Hence 2-14 without Peyton.
Well this is interesting because if we did work him out Tuesday night, and Harbaugh/Baalke wanted him why haven’t we made him an offer? Because I sincerely doubt if we did make an offer that he would spurn the offer of a team that just went to the NFC Championship for the Broncos or Titans.
probably has to do with OL protection and quality of rcvrs on each of the teams and finally how much do JH/roman meet peyton in the middle of how the offense gets run….
also the running game is not at its peak…..but the backfield does have some good rcving options
Still doesn’t make sense. Vernon Davis is the best receiving option out of any of the teams in contention(Britt is coming off knee surgery and I still wouldnt put him above Vernon). Tennessee and the Broncos have a better o-line but we have the best defense in the NFL and won 13 games last year. There is no reason he would turn down an offer from us so I don’t think we made an offer.
Then PM should make a Niner friendly cap deal so we can bring in a couple of WR’s he likes and a solid RG. Everything else is in place.
If push comes to shove Bud Adams may make Peyton an offer he can’t refuse.
Manning will wake up with Elway’s head in his bed?
lemons……….Thats F N funny.
Brilliant. 49er 2012 tickets have sold out. See what a marquis name like Manning does for an organization. No offense but a name like Smith brings no value to a team like that.
I tried telling some of the Smithers during the season that Smith doesn’t sell jerseys, he doesn’t put butts in the seats. I also told the Smithers that the ownership cares about the fans in the stadium the most. WHY? BECAUSE WE ARE THE ONES THAT SPEND THE MONEY? You guys just got a lesson in economics. Oh and one last thing. If the contract gets signed, ONENINER YOU CAN EAT CROW ALL YEAR. I’LL BBQ IT AND FED EX IT TO WHEREVER YOU LIVE.
so did u just attribute the sold out condition to peyton….
@ Bay your not making sense there. The seats sold out when most thought Smith was coming back.
Club level not sold out. Those are the expensive seats. I GUARANTEE YOU IF MANNING IS SIGNED THOSE WILL SELL OUT. GUARANTEE.
So, have they or have they not sold out? I think you’re hyperventilating with Manning-induced excitement. I don’t blame you, although personally, I think it’s bit risky, and my hunch is it doesn’t happen.
JH is why that sold out. Fans know what he did in one year without an offseason. Jeez Bay, get a grip. Quit wetting all over yourself.
@bay:
Weren’t the tickets already sold out?
Officially no. I checked on Monday and there will still tix. I don’t know when they officially listed on their website that they were sold out. But I checked an hour ago and it is listed on the website now.
@ bay – you say there not all sold out and yet it was well reported that they were. It just goes to show you what we read or hear isnt the gossipal truth.
Well reported? I’m at all the games moron. I’ve been watching because of interest in PSL’s and their cost.
Who’s your source craigslist?
Be gone…..
Bay, knock it off! You’re not the only fan on here. You mentioned you gave up your tickets and were buying piecemeal that last couple of years.
Did I say I had season tix? No. And I also didn’t say I buy piecemeal. My best friend has season tix and I buy half.
I am going to jump back in and have been looking at PSL prices.
You are awfully grumpy since the PM story broke Hof…
@ bay – I have never lowered myself down to your standards with the name calling. Good thing you hide behind a computer you certainly wouldnt do that to my face. It was announced yesterday the tickets were sold out and then you came out and said they werent. I happened to believe you and my point was that because it is reported in the press that something happened doesnt mean it to be correct and according to you they werent. I belived you. You profess to be a business man, with an attitude that you seem to have these days I am surprised of your success. You dont seem to have the qualities of a succesful business man of late.
SEASON ticket’s are sold out. Open tickets are not sold out. That simple.
>>I also told the Smithers that the ownership cares about the fans in the stadium the most. WHY? BECAUSE WE ARE THE ONES THAT SPEND THE MONEY? You guys just got a lesson in economics.
From a guy who obviously knows NOTHING about NFL economics…. lol
The money comes from TV contracts and licensing. I forget now where ticket sales fall in to the mix but it’s not hard to look up and it’s certainly not first by a country mile.
@ Bay Season tickets were sold out before the Manning news came out. I heard that news yesterday.
But based on Bay’s earlier comment, maybe all those that purchased in the last couple of hours will want a refund. BBBUUUAAAHHAAAHHHAAAHHHAAA!
Hofer,
didn’t you accuse Jordan of acting like a child yesterday for bursts of laughter like that?
Rejoice old man, what happened today was good news.
You prefer a healthy PM or AS don’t you?
Your childlike post deserves a childlike response. Or more accurately, your Jordo-like post deserves a Jordo-like response.
Yes that was done for your bud Jordo to show how silly it comes across. Did you learn anything?
Sorry Rib,
didn’t recognize you without all your <<<<<>>>>>>
Sigh, lets leave the childish name-calling and stuff alone. Whether we get Manning or Smith, the 49ers will be in good shape either way. Lets enjoy that we are contenders for next year and the rest of our division looks to still be behind us.
maybe grant can create a vote button on where the bloggers think peyton will land
that would be great!
It’s about time.
All we know is that they took a look at him.. This doesn’t mean that we are offering him anything. I still believe this is just being released to get Alex’s camp to make a move. Why else would this take several days to find the press?
Maybe Manning’s camp leaked it?
Maybe… Also this has to force Az. to pay Kolb. They have to be out of it.. Now does this force Alex to get a deal done soon or take a trip to Miami, Seattle and Az?
Could have been 49ers to possibly affect the Flynn to Seattle possibilities. I would not put 49ers above maneuvering just to keep NFC West teams a little weaker if an opportunity presented itself by just revealing your intentions.
Cardinals are paying Kevin Kolb’s $7 million roster bonus
Because they know it is most likely a done deal with the Titans.
Grant, LOL!
Look, even the biggest Alex lovers will admit that Peyton Manning at 85% or more is still better than Alex Smith, because Peyton Manning is just that good as long as he is even close to healthy. Hell, even Alex Smith knows that, in fact, its one of his best qualities, that he know’s who he is and what he can do. This is totally in lock step with Alex Smith. Why do you think AS hasn’t actually met with another team yet? Unless the 49ers sign PM, AS will be a 49er. It’s that simple.
What about Peyton on IR, or worse, in intensive care?
hahaha !
Alex should have signed when through offer was on the table , he opened the door Peyton
Who cares about the offer on the table ! Now it doesn’t matter to Alex..The niners, harbaugh and baalke lid up the bridge, its to late the bridge has burned with Alex Smith..
A. smith will not resigned with the niners its over..Don’t blame Alex, they started the fire…A person could only take as much as they can..hes been abuse mentally by the organization and the fan base.. All you fools will get what you wish for, and the 49er organization and the fan base will suffer for their mistakes..lol
It’s business. Look at KKolb – his tail between his legs and $7M in his pocket – short memories.
@rickysmiler:
We have no idea what is going on behind the scenes. We don’t know when or how this was presented to Smith. If the 49ers do not sign Smith, he may end up getting more money from the team.
*If the 49ers do not sign Manning, Smith may end up getting more money from the team.
Sorry, that was a significant error.
Having heart palpitations, sign manning yesterday!!!! Perfect for CK to learn from. Quick release, reading= instant offense. Gore has to be Swallowing Viagra pills right about now because this signing might add more bullets to his career.
lol
So they saw him on Tuesday. Here it is Friday. Has there been an offer made? – or as Jed would say, is the ball in PM’s court?
Yeah, wake me up when he is seen in the building over at 4949. lol
Hofe, I know that the players are under a ‘hush-rule’ not to make any comments about these revelations and procedings, but if they were allowed to give their opinions without the threat of consequence, I would venture to say that they (WR’s) would give the Org resounding 100% approval rate of signing Payton.
And not only the WR’s but players like Justin Smith, P.Willis, C.Rodgers who have towed the line during their careers would be ‘all in’ as well.
AES there are 20+ other teams that their WRs would say the same thing. There are only 8-10 QBs in a league of their own. Not unique to the 9ers. But it still doesn’t guarantee a SB. Look at the dollars the Eagles spent last year.
Thats the thing. The only news is that The 9ers took a look at him. This doesn’t mean that they want him or offered him anything. All they did was check him out.
Money is now up to 5 years, 90 million. Ouch.
http://www.denverpost.com/broncos/ci_20188486/broncos-peyton-manning-90-million-5-years
Yeah, holy crap. Or holy cap.
“Another NFL source indicated that all involved teams are comfortable working off Manning’s previous contract with the Indianapolis Colts, which was five years for $90 million, or an average of $18 million per year.
Additionally, Manning was to receive $61.8 million through the first two years.
Both the Broncos and Tennessee Titans are working off the contract.”
Keep saying to myself… “in TB we trust”
Payton would be willing to ‘adjust’ those numbers for a chance at a Superbowl. Payton doesn’t need to worry about money, what he is looking for is a Superbowl. No other team offers him the best chance at a SB than the 49ers.
If Payton signs; That will be his REASON… Superbowl!
@AES
What source are you getting that information from?
Why hasn’t it been discussed more if that were true?
Holy Cr@p!!!! Try to concentrate on work for a while and the biggest story of the week breaks!!!
OMG, I’m so excited to see what happens I can hardly contain myself!!!
I know right : )
Meanwhile, on suicide watch,
Oneniner, BS, I mean DS, Hofer, Claude, Ribico, Exgolfer, Prime Crabtree Time and other unnamed Smithers.
Bye Bye Alex!
Jordo, you’re back! It took you 4 hours to create that comment? Impressive! Last I heard, PM hasn’t stepped foot into 4949. But when he does, we’ll all know. BTW, you didn’t answer my question from earlier today. Whoever JH chooses to be his QB this year, I’m all in. how about you??! Can you answer that question Jordo?
I just saw Alex Smith waiting on line at a McDonald’s in Las Gatos, he finally order’s and he just blanked out, he took forever to order his meal, just like throwing the Football, he hesitates and then decided throw a meaning less 4 yard dump to a back. That was funny !!.
Hofer,
You’re all in NOW??? What a surprise. Happy that you decided to join us. Alex Smith’s going away party will be monday night from 5-9. He’s got a plane to catch to cleveland after that. He has to caddy for Mike Holmgren next weekend, so the needs to get a few practice rounds in with him. When are you leaving to Cleveland.
Jordo, Bay answered my question how about you? You *still* didn’t answer…will you support any QB JH and the FO sign to run the offense?? Have some guts Jordo. Your rhetoric is old! Have some guts and back any QB JH signs for 2012.
The PM manning development has left me speechless with joy. All I have to say is “hallelujah”!
If anything the Smithers have been beaten down, all they said is that Harbaugh believes in AS, not really and they are AS fans first and niners second ” Hallelujah”
Neal, you try too hard. LOL Nothing has been finalized and as usual you are jumping the gun. Most AS supporters were more aligned with him than the bashers that didn’t put any blame on the HCs or ownership for hiring inexperience HCs. If he leaves, there will be no tears, just less comments from you.
Then Hoffer you are a Smither light, compared to the rest of them. Try too hard not really,
I like the fact that 49ers had the guts to tell Manning we need to see u work out, and all the other teams didnt feel it was an option cause they were afraid of offending Manning. Now the Broncos are going to fly out to see him work out, Cardinals and Dolphins out of the running!
Working out PM is a far cry from negotiating with PM, which is exactly where Denv and Tenn currently stand. Does JY want to give up a percentage of the team?
@Hoferfan67:
Notwithstanding Bud Adams’ ramblings, that will not and cannot be part of any contract.
Hof, I have always been an AS supporter, but if some how the 49ers sign PM, I think even us as 49ers fans will let our imagination run wild, but if AS is back I still see a better year for him than last year.
Bay, relax ur always on here calling people morons and other names but ur like a nat that wont go away, respect so u can get respect.
Hofer,
Maybe they have negotiated. It’s not like anybody knew about the workout until today. It all comes down to does he want to have the best opportunity to win a SB? His best chance is in SF.
Hof,
I’m guessing the Niners will try to sell Manning on the clear advantage he will have in getting to a SB here over Denver and Tennessee. I see no way they equal that contract the Broncos are reportedly offering, but if they can get in the ball park, you never know.
Maybe someone has already brought up the possibility that the 49ers may want Manning, but that by timing their interest to this week could be slowing Manning’s decision just enough to make Arizona quarterback situation worse with the 1:00 PM PST bonus deadline for Kevin Kolb. It almost guarantees that Arizona is out of the Manning race.
I did. Reports say Kolb Got his bonus today.
I’m a little late with my Kolb statigy but if that was a secondary motive it seems to have worked. And if Manning does want a big contract, the 49ers just back out an go with Smith. No Manning in the West if not with the 40ers.
At ProFootball Talk
“Peyton Manning wants his new contract to match his old contract”
“Cardinals are paying Kevin Kolb’s $7 million roster bonus”
See also:
http://espn.go.com/blog/nfcwest/post/_/id/61101/manningwatch-five-thoughts-on-49ers
The 49ers have a direct interest in keeping Manning away from the NFC West. Their emergence as a possible destination delays the process. That is bad for the Cardinals, who must decide by 4 p.m. ET Friday whether to keep incumbent quarterback Kevin Kolb with a $7 million bonus. Whether or not the 49ers are serious candidates for Manning, their involvement later in the process works against the one NFC West team to defeat the 49ers last season, Arizona.
Makes sense to me. Now, back to “The Plan”.
Chess match.
@claude
I don’t think the Niners really care about having to play PM or not.
Last time they did, he got beat up pretty bad. They were a lot better than we were then. That was with Coach Sing at the helm. Who always found a way to coach us out of a close win into a loss.
I don’t think it’s that big of an issue. Harbaugh and the organization is once again bringing back the attitude that if you want it, you have to go through us.
This has to be the most piss poor sport analysis I have ever read, coupled with your snide and condascending “caddie” remark, your an embarrasement to sports journalism. Manning is not coming to SF get that through your head, the only people that will be under center will be Alex Smith or Colin K. Harbaugh and Roman went to go watch Manning because hes available thats it. No mystery, no secrets they want to see what he has in the tank, he doesnt fit the long term of the organization with 4 neck procedures and 5 on the way, stick to facts instead of rants if your representing Santa Rosa Sports writing
Thank you for your cogent analysis.
FTG, cool you jets. Yes the caddying remarks are a bit low since VFangio caddied for him as well, but no big deal. I agree there are some weird twists here that will make some sense when the dust clears.
Fangio isn’t a free agent.
Yeah, really low as it was plain that Harbaugh ASKED Alex to do it.
It’s funny, actually. Smith was drunk on the Harbaugh Kool-Aid.
I think just the opposite. I like the homeless comments and the caddie remarks. It’s refreshing to see a sense of humor. As for representing Santa Rosa Sports writing, I think he is doing a great job.
I am sorry you are miserable, but this site and this blog are fun and light hearted.
A rant telling Grant not to rant. Classic.
ftgambit, you are an ass! Are you a journalism grad? I think not. Your poor syntax and grammar tell the tale.
Osprey it’s great to know your an expert in spotting ass’s, as far as syntax, never really had a problem there. Grant is supposed to offer objective sports analysis, instead he’s turning into a wannabee Jim Rome.
Osprey, ftg didn’t say anything out of line. He supports the QB from last year and is stating his opinion like everyone else here. Disagree, but the jury is still out. TBD.
FT Gambit is an alex smith stalker. Go follow him to the canadian football league you negative little troll. The league thinks your idol alex smith and his 150 yards a game is garbage. Alex Smith is the only player on any level of football I’ve seen check down on a flea flicker. He’s such a deer in headlights.
ftgambit,
I’m guessing you are against this Manning thing then?
Say Hi to Alex for us Mrs. Smith.
The term “Homeless” is being bantered around. Come to India and you’ll get the true definition.
@Andrew
I saw a piece on NEWSHOUR about India where they were trying to vaccinate the population, and they were doing quite well.
So, there is some nice progress being made. Even though I imagine it can seem that the problems don’t go away.
@DS94,
There are so many ways to die in this country. Corpses are put on top of cars and brought to the crematorium. I’ve contracted several illnesses here that Western medicine doesn’t have on the grid. There are many more natural remedies. I have this Ayurveda doctor in Kerala that is 8th generation. India is a mystical place.
@Andrew
A dear friend of mine when I was a kid was from India. Wonderful people on the whole.
Here is the story I was telling you about in my last post
http://www.pbs.org/newshour/bb/globalhealth/jan-june12/polio_02-20.html
About eradicating Polio. Very interesting take since it reveals some clashing between the vaccine route vs the older herb route of curing disease.
I can believe you when you say western medicine has not seen some of the illnesses you have dealt with. Were you in the more secluded areas (deep forest for example) or in the slums when you contracted it?
@DS
When a Westerner takes up long term residence in a foreign land their immune systems are confronted with alien viruses and parasites not found in their own countries. It takes time for the body to build up immunity. There are insect, snake, scorpion situations all the time where I live. The monkeys and dogs are rabid so there is zero contact no matter how cute. With cow dung prevalent all over airborne disease is always around. In the hills Tuberculosis is quite common and is a killer if not treated, again another airborne disease. The best medicine is strict hygiene. There is actually a leper colony about 10 miles from my house. My wife feeds and clothes them during the year.
“Mike Klis of the Denver Post has now updated his report and said that what Manning is actually seeking is a contract like the one he signed last year with the Colts, which was for five years and $90 million, with a whopping $61.8 million in the first two years.”
Welcome back Alex.
All of this makes the “ball in Alex’s Smith’s court” statement seem disingenuous.
Are you saying there was no contract offered?
I think York is channeling his inner Billy Batts and telling Smith to “Go get his shine box.”
That didn’t end well for Billy Batts.
No it didn’t, but it didn’t end well for Tommy Devito either.
Yeah but Tommy lasted longer than Billy. Maybe Alex is Henry looking up at the sky with paranoia for Helicopters ready to take him out of the Bay.
That wasn’t just paranoia.
Nope it wasn’t. Hopefully Alex doesn’t have a side business going.
Hey Billie, didn’t anybody tell you I don’t shine shoes anymore.
Disagree Grant. I think it was a genuine offer and Smith took too long to sign it. Period. He over valued himself.
Well, you seem to be an expert on a person overvaluing himself.
I agree Grant. York didn’t have to say the Ball was in his court when he knew they were looking at Manning. Honesty is a diry word in the NFL.
Breaking news: Alex Smith just found out his agent has been screwing him over in favor of PM. Just wait he told Smith, just wait until I undercut you and put PM in your starting QB spot.
There’s no way an agent would be that slimy and underhanded. (sarcasm because you can’t type voice inflection)
why do you think alex hasn’t signed the contract that everyone in the FO said was “on the table,” and “in alex’s court.” He was aware of the situation the whole time… and he is not going to sign if Peyton comes to SF, plus the niners wouldn’t need him. but they know that getting peyton is a long shot, so they made the offer to smith as a precaution. But they knew that smith knew because they have all had these conversations about what was happening.
A common agent, and Alex Smith’s upbeat contract attitude – I envision a block-buster Niner press conference signing both. It could happen.
No it couldn’t! Lol!
Unfortunately Phil, I respectfully disagree here. I believe in a perfect world perhaps, but with overhead, commission, the threat of injury, and a genuine love for money, I believe the Agent has just increased both his clients values by taking the choice out of Alex Smith’s pure hearted hands.
The agent knows another team will pay Smith more in guaranteed money and more years. Best way to do that is to leak out the Peyton assessment.
Maiocco just posted an informative article on the situation
Read that Maiocco article and it supports Grants theory from earlier this week of Alex’s return at 40%. I was skeptical of this but it seems like he was right on. Nice call Grant.
Thanks, i’ll check it out…
Ain’t gonna’ happen….this is the most obvious ‘distraction’ in NFL history…but who are we trying to get to take their eye off the ball….??
It made AZ commit $7mil to keeping Kolb. That’s a win, so far ;)
good point
“this is the most obvious ‘distraction’ in NFL history”
No the BFavre watch owns that bit of history! lol
@OREGONINER:
If you are looking at this as possible gamesmanship, then you have to consider that feigning interest in Manning does Condon a favor because it will drive up the price for Manning. But, what can Condon do to return the favor that doesn’t violate his duty to his clients?
@Claude
‘Not sure that there is an answer …yet. Perhaps it’s a player who’s not in the conversation at this time. ‘Many ways to skin a cat, and I think we’re just scratching the surface so far. I do have a sneaking hunch that KC might be in the mix ahead…I’d add Tolzien too except he has no value YET as an UDFA. I am disappointed in the lack of loyalty in 9er FO if this plays out as it looks.
Sometimes the simplest explanation makes the most sense.
Isn’t it possible that the 49ers are genuinely interested in Manning because they feel he is better than Alex and will increase their chance to win (if he’s healthy).
So much posturing by all in the negotiations process. PM’s camp (TC ?) lets it known PM had a workout with the 9ers several days ago to possibly get more interest from QB hungry teams for AS and to let Denv and Tenn know there is another suitor for PM. Hmm. Meanwhile, PM is laser focused on Denv or Tenn. Oh that PM camp. What a brilliant group they are!!
Tenn. may give him a piece. Bud Adams is 89, Ralph Wilson 93, it may be their last ride on the merry-go-round to get the brass ring.
I was at the Charity golf shootout and Alex actually played – he never caddied.
What does any of that have to do with anything anyways. Peyton Manning, Peyton Manning – he could actually be our QB next year! Don’t know how anybody could be anything but excited. Even for just the fact that they actually showed interest. That’s a great sign. I was worried the coaches actually thought that Alex Smith was the man, no questions asked.
LETS REVIEW: 49ers less than two weeks ago say “They have no interest in Payton Manning”…”Alex Smith is our guy and will sign a 3 year contract within days.”
Alex Smith does NOT sign. 49er honchos in secret fly to Podunk to try out Manning.
Monta goes to the Bucks..no wait,that’s another review….
Conclusion? The org’s love for Smith ended with those four straight three and outs in the NFC finals.
Result?…We will see.
I still wish Ekpe wasn’t gone.
hahaha.. Stan, you are ‘the man!’
Nope, it’s all to make AZ sign Kolb. Just like when the drove the price for Kurt Warner up. Alex Smith and Peyton have the same agent too. Hmmm.
Business as usual, anybody who expects truth from the mouth of anybody running a multi-million dollar company, will be waiting a long time. Stan, of all people you should know this. I agree, we’ll have to see though.
What do you do as an Agent in the NFL when you have a client who actually wants to play for a genuine love of the game, fans, and coach? You leak out that the team your client is enamoured by is actually courting someone else…Brilliant
Tom Condon is actually a lizard in a human costume.
I agree.
Maiocco article.
http://www.csnbayarea.com/blog/niners-talk/post/Smith-no-longer-controls-own-fate-with-4?blockID=671262&feedID=5884
Harsh quote,
One NFL executive who is closely monitoring the situation told CSNBayArea.com, “Alex Smith has no place to go.”
Read more: Smith no longer controls own fate with 49ers
Tune to SportsNet Central at 6, 10:30 and midnight on Comcast SportsNet Bay Area for more on this story
Bay, nice try at recovery but AS will still be a millionaire when this is over. No need for you to worry about him. lol
The Manning possibility is enticing, but we are still a Superbowl contender even if he doesn’t sign on. Frankly, we would be doing Manning a huge favor by signing him. The one caveat is that Manning has the wherewithall to return the favor!
Contender without him. Favorite with him.
If he wants his best shot for a Super Bowl signing with the 49ers is the way. I think Tenn. is at the forefront, they can offer something after his playing days. My guess, he wants more rings.
@Andrew
In terms of talent, yes.
But look at like this.
The NFC is taking over. The better teams are in the NFC now. In addition, the NFC West in particular is set to become the premier division in the NFL. At the mid way point, the other team had like 1-2 wins a piece. By the end, all the teams but the Rams were near 500. That means they won virtually all their games the last half of the season. That means they started getting really good.
All the NFC West teams have good to bordering on becoming great defenses.
Compere that to the AFC West. The Raiders – suck. The Chiefs – suck. The Chargers – can’t win the big games. The Broncos – won the division and have a decent defense of their own.
Compare that to the Titans. They play the Colts (you know he is chomping at the bit to get revenge) the Texans (a decent team but will have some big weaknesses this coming year) and the Jags are pathetic. It won’t take much for PM to win that division.
Then you enter the playoffs. The AFC playoff teams are relatively old (Ravens, Pats, possibly the Steelers) and are on their last legs.
It has been stated that PM wants to stay in the AFC. That is no shock. The AFC is not the dominant conference anymore.
PM will have an easier time in Denver or Tenn to make the playoffs and take a lot less punishment than he would if he came here to play in our tough division defenses who know how to hit hard.
The Niners may be better than the Titans or Denver. But they have a lot harder road to the Super Bowl than the Broncos and Titans (weak division in weak conference). Add in the amount of punishment PM is likely going to get if he is here, rather than Denver (weak division)or Titans (one of if not best pass protecting OL’s) and the chances of PM winning a Super Bowl here is not that much greater.
After the release of Spencer, the 49ers are currently 18M under cap. They could make more room restructuring contracts or cutting players like Chilo.
The other contenders are likely offering more $ to Manning, but the Niners are the most likely Superbowl contender.
PM on the Niners is a possibility.
Chilo is already a FA.
Now the RM signing makes sense. It didn’t with Alex at QB. AT ALL. But with PM at QB, they had to put someone out there that would help entice him to sign.
And he came cheap which left plenty of money to sign Manning….
What do you think Grant?
Agree.
You guys really think RM was attractive to PM? He’s 35, didn’t play last year, and two years ago he played for three teams and was eventually invited to go home. Hmmm, that doesn’t really sound like a WR that wold lure PM to a team, but maybe I’m wrong.
I’m not saying that RM wasn’t a good signing, I’m just not sure how much of a draw he is for PM.
except for the plenty of money thing….seems tight to me…..and little left for draft….
where is the other shoe drop
Can someone please check on ‘oneniner’ and DS. This revelation may have too devastating for them (lol).
C’mon guys, don’t pull a Thelma & Louise on us. Alex hasn’t gone anywhere yet.
*been*
Not a big fan of Steve Wyche but here’s what he wrote on NFL.com
http://www.nfl.com/news/story/09000d5d827a67d3/article/peyton-manning-would-turn-49ers-into-super-bowl-favorite
“As scary as the 49ers were, Manning would make them downright frightening”
My favorite quote of the article!!
Yeah, and Vince Young called the Eagles “The Dream Team”. Being a favorite only means every opponent wants to not only beat but kill you. Sounds like a great position to be in after mortgaging your future on a rickety necked QB.
“openminded” Your not living up to your name Bra. The 49ers already have that target on their backs. The NFL knows theyre good now. Not going to sneek up on anyone this year. If Harbaugh and Baalke thinks he good to go, why dont you? It was good when Harbaugh was speaking so highly about Smith, now he doesnt know what he’s doing? Get real dude.
Ninermd, sorry to disagree with you on Peyton. I believe you are confusing “open-mindedness” with “cult follower”. While I am open to new ideas, I do consider the facts, in this case, age 36, $90M – $30M guaranteed, four neck surgeries. That’s where I depart from my open-minded starting point to arrive at throwing my red challenge flag. Agreeing with JH, or any other leader, on everything is what leads people to dress up in purple robes, pop a pill and wait for the UFO to take them to paradise. Maybe you would drink the Kool-Aid and die in the hot jungles of Guyana with 800 other followers and your leader. That’s not me.
For transparency sake I will first admit that I am an Alex Smith supporter. Removing Smith from this post however here are my concerns about signing Manning.
Any team that signs Manning has a 2yr window, max, to make it to, and win a Super Bowl. It is folly to think Manning guarantees the Niners (or any team) a Super Bowl birth. And I present the following examples of the cruel nature of the football gods.
1) Anyone remember the Eagles last year, weren’t they a lock to represent the NFC last year?
2) The special teams play in the NFC Championship game?
3) Damn I hate bringing this up. Montana (future HOF’er) never won or even smelled a Super Bowl with the Chefs and if memory serves their defense wasn’t to bad back then?
Manning is a great QB, no question, but he’s only made it to 2 Super Bowls in 14 yrs and is 9-9 in the playoffs. Some will say this about his playoff record “well the Colts defense sucked, etc…”. To that I say see point #2 above. The QB does not control every aspect of a game. I would point out that he also threw the pick that sealed the Super Bowl for the Saints. I think he would play great during the regular season, but I am not sold on him in the playoffs.
I get the fact that it is a “win now” league…but. What is the plan if we don’t win the Super Bowl with Manning in the next 2 yrs? Do we start rebuilding(again) with Kaepernick. Everyone seems to think Kaepernick is the “man” in waiting, I am not sold didn’t he run a gimmicky run & shoot type of college offense. To date the NFL has not been kind to these types of QB’s and I would imagine he has the same learning curve to go through and holding a clipboard is only going to get him so far.
The defense isn’t going to stay this good forever and Manning won’t stay healthy/capable forever. My question is, are Niner fans ready for another 4-5 yrs of rebuilding should the Manning gamble not end up in our 6th Lombardi Trophy?
Too much reasoned logic there, Grudge. Get out of here!
Yeah.
Can’t have too many posts like that. Grant can’t get the hits he needs.
and when peyton is gone in two years bring in brady
As much as I like Alex, he is like all QBs, one hit away from IR. I don’t believe the 49ers would be in a rebuilding mode with CK at QB this year if Manning got injured. The rest of the team is strong enough to keep the 49ers in a great position to be successful even with CK. Harbaugh would develop the offense to CKs strengths just like he did with Alex.
My only worry with Manning is that the contract could make the 49ers “free agent poor”. Meaning they could not go after free agents nor keep their own players from leaving in a year or two. Drafting would need to be at a premium.
Getting Manning would be huge for the 49ers. It wouldn’t guarantee a SB, but it would strengthen an above average position on the team. I would be for the gamble if the money doesn’t break the bank.
Building the team through the draft has been the plan for the niners so far and will continue to be. When in the last two years have free agents seemed important to them? We’re only talking about adding a HOF QB to the mix. Besides the cap will make a huge increase in size in the next couple of years, up to 60%.
These are my thoughts about going after Manning. If the medical staff ok Manning to play, Harbaugh concludes Manning’s arm strength is good enough, and the salary isn’t too high, then we should go after Manning. He will definitely make our offense more efficient and make other players better with his knowledge/experience.
Still, while the 49ers with Manning would be one of the favorites, I don’t think his playoff performance means we are big favorites at all. I am not saying Peyton isn’t a HOF QB, because he is. However, I am saying having watched him in the playoffs for many years and also looking over his overall performance in the postseason, I feel there are 2 different Peytons. 1 Regular season and 1 postseason. I actually hope Harbaugh is able to have some control of the offense instead of giving Peyton too much control. Even the year he won the Super Bowl, he only had 3 TDs and 8 ints through 4 games. We aren’t a lock to the Super Bowl as every thinks, just stronger contenders.
Joe, great as he was for the us good guys, just wasn’t the same as a Chief.
“those dusty old memories fans have of Ageless Joe playing elite football at the end are not matched by reality.
The injury-riddled Montana appeared in just 25 of 32 regular-season games with the Chiefs, and his production was simply not what it had been as a younger player. He threw 29 TDs against 16 INTs over those two seasons, and even his famous run to the AFC title game in the 1993 season was something less amazing than many remember.
The Chiefs beat the 9-7 Steelers at home in overtime in the wild card round (Dave Krieg actually threw Kansas City’s first TD that day). A narrow home win against a borderline .500 team is hardly the stuff of legend. A week later Montana was picked off twice by the Oilers in the divisional round, but managed to outduel Warren Moon, who was also 37, 28-20.
Montana’s Chiefs were then manhandled 30-13 by the Bills in the 1993 AFC title game, and the quarterback was knocked from the game in the third quarter after completing just 9 of 23 passes for 125 yards and one interception.
Montana returned for the 1994 season, but threw just 16 TDs in 14 games.
Here’s how Montana performed before 36 and in his three seasons at 36 and older.
Sure, the Chiefs landed a future Hall of Fame quarterback. But they also landed a guy battered by age and injury. His passer rating of 85.9 made him not elite, but barely above average. His average per attempt before 36 was nearly an entire yard better than his average per attempt at the end. Montana was less accurate, less effective, less likely to get the ball in the end zone once he reached 36.”
http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/vault/article/web/COM1195778/2/index.htm
(yeah Jordo, cut and paste – bite me! ;)
If the best QB in the history of the game couldn’t get it done at 36, why are we so sure a 36 YO with a broken neck is going to?
@rib
@ribico
I hope the Niners keep that in mind.
“yeah Jordo, cut and paste – bite me!”
That is a disgusting thought. He would give you rabies. And soon, your posts would focus on nothing but hate. Hating a blogger. Hating a player. Just hating.
Rib,
you don’t know what the hell you are talking about. Montana had no elite weapons at all in KC. He had an aging Marcus Allen and Kimble Anders. And he still went to the AFC championship game.
The tides turned in that game when Montana @ the Bills 5 yard line just before half threw a sure TD to Anders who bobbled it and turned it over.
Dude go hang with DS, you know nothing. Was Montana older? Yes. Did he have weapons? NO. Keith Cash for god’s sakes was his number one tight end.
Yet he still made it one game away from the superbowl and beat an awesome Niners team when they faced off.
Rib, agreed. That’s why I’d prefer CK if he is ready. PM didn’t play last year and who really knows how well his arm/neck/nerve has healed. Paying a huge sum of money doesn’t jive with the 9ers plan/program of building through the draft and resigning their key players on offense and defense. TBD.
bay
nice to know you still think of me.
Bay, I’ll match your aging Marcus Allen, Kimble Anders and Keith Cash with an aging Randy Moss, a not what he once was Frank Gore and a never was Michael Crabtree. In other words an offensive wash. And I’d still take a 36 yo Montana over a 36 yo Manning.
Our defense and Vernon Davis is going to carry the team once again, no matter who the QB is.
@ribico
At this point in time, that is the only safe bet. VD is the only known weapon. RM may be good again, or may not. MC never really has been.
That all changes if we go after Wallace. It wont’ change if we go after PM. We need better weapons.
Why is Ribico still talking about the 49ers? Dude your irrelevant now. Dont trust Harbaugh now? Funny how that works! See you on this sight IF Smith ever faces us. Get out of the Faithfuls forum!
Grudge, I agree with the first two but politely disagree with you on, ” Montana (future HOF’er) never won or even smelled a Super Bowl with the Chiefs and if memory serves their defense wasn’t to bad back then?”
Montana led KC to the AFC Championship game his first year back after not playing more than 1 half the previous 2 years, and his second season was also a playoff year.
They didn’t trade up for Kaepernick to let him rot away on the bench. If they are concerned they could possibly also bring in another QB to compete with both CK and Tolzien to give them the best possible players at that position.
My gut tells me that it won’t happen, but it would sure bring a huge buzz for this year.
Fair enough about Joe & the Chefs Hammer I didn’t have my facts straight. Joe & the Chefs still did not play in a Super Bowl (unfortunately for Joe) though.
Grudge, Montana never played for the “Chefs” ; ).
Look at THIS defense and THIS special teams and THIS offense instead of what manning had in Indy. There is no comparison. Your argument holds no weight because of that.
Sorry, you admiration for Smith won’t allow you to be objective. We dont lose a close game with an Elite QB. Thanks anywAy.
Jordo, you didn’t answer my earlier question directed at you. I’m all in with JH’s QB decision, are you??!!
Grudge,
Very well reasoned post. Well done. However the difference I see with him coming here is that this team exceeded expectations last year. No one could have predicted the 49ers to make it as far as they did last season, and one of the biggest reason why is because of how young the team was across the board. This team is really just starting to become what they can be. Adding Manning will just make the jump all that much quicker.
There are no guarantees they win the SB with Manning, but it still shouldn’t stop them from trying.
“If I were Manning, I’d say my chances of winning Super Bowls with the Niners were much, much greater than my chances with the Broncos or the Titans.”
GC, after Denv signs PM, with the cap Denv has left, they can go after MW and pay the tender. Their defense is stout and they made the playoffs last year with TT. Hmm. PM to MW would be interesting…
They are not a championship caliber team, with or without Manning.
I guess we’ll find out shortly. They are offering PM a contract…
Hofer,
Denver wouldn’t beat new England in a million years. They got blew out with Tebow last year and Brady would beat them this year. Denver does not have the defense to beat Ne England. What’s wrong with you man?? In professional football, it’s all about matchups!
Did someone hit you over the head with a bat or something. You have completely lost it withvthis Alex Smith contract stuff. Just breathe slowly Hofer, breathe slowly!
Oh Jordo, obviously you’re not experienced with contract negotiations. Stay tuned…
All three teams are Hofer. Stop crying man, Alex is gone, get over it.
Whoever JH chooses I’m all in! How about you?
Is the niners willling to pay Manning report say Denver is offering Manning $90 million 5 years…Goodluck ! lol
The only advantage denver has is the possibility of a Manning v. Manning SB.
ALEX SMITH SIGNS WITH BROWNS! IT’S TRUE!!
http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2012/03/15/browns-announce-signings-of-cousins-smith-schaefering/
That trick has already been hatched…
rats, well at least I amused myself…
Seeing all over the place on ESPN this update on Peyton Manning.
They spent about 20 seconds talking about the Niners, and 4 minutes talking about the Broncos and Titans as the leading teams.
They went on to say that the Titans would be an attractive team because of their OL. How they only have up 20 sacks all year. The Niners OL gave up more than double that I believe.
You guys get your panties in a bunch thinking that PM is coming here. Go on ahead. Just remember how silly you look putting your hand between your butt cheeks to pull it back out in public.
And the Niners would have to pay pretty much everything they have left to get him. So no draft picks get signed. No true WR will come here and PM will be behind one of the worst pass protecting OL’s in the league.
And before you get all “But PM will make our OL look good” garb, please ask yourself why the experts keep bringing up the Titans OL being so good. You can’t reason it it because:
1). You’re not reasonable people to begin with.
2) If you did think about it, you would know that at the end of the day, PM is not coming here.
We are a sleeper team for Manning right now according to the sources. I think the telling sign is if he visits the 49ers facilities. 49ers might have interest, but again, its more about whether Manning has real interest with the 49ers. If he visits, then we will know if this is real or not. Either way, if we get Manning or Smith, I think the 49ers are looking good for next season, because our division isn’t looking that much better.
Or did his “camp” throw this out for a reason based on timing….let me see he’s throwing today right?
He worked out for the Niners before any other team.
Go back to your shanty.
Hey BigP
How is that English-Writing class coming along? The one where you learn how to properly quote others?
Move along now. Adults are present.
Considering my taxes pay for your goverment cheese, you should be more respectful. I guess you finally got lubed up enough to join the conversation.
Nobody has said Peyton Manning to the Titans/Donkeys is scary. That’s what’s said about Manning to the Niners. Scary.
Nobody but this blog here is really focusing on PM to Niners.
I just watched Sports Center. They are talking about the Broncos and Titans. I’m just relaying what I see. I doubt PM signs for less than $8 million for any team. If they signed PM, we would have no chance at Wallace. And Wallace is the missing piece to the Super Bowl puzzle. Not PM. AS did great in the playoffs. Much better than PM has.
We don’t need a regular season QB. We need a QB to take us to the Super Bowl. AS was a great regular season QB. He got us to 13-3. AS scored 6TD and committed 0 TO in the playoffs. Find a QB on the market who has done both of those things last year AS is the best chance for this team.
Go here. pictured are Smith, Manning, and Harbaugh.
http://espn.go.com/nfl/
or go here
http://www.nfl.com/
If PM does come here, will you go away?
49ergirl,
Lmao, wishful thinking. It wouldn’t be missed that’s for sure.
actually i didn’t mind getting my panty’s in a bunch on the rumor of a manning insurrection in the bay area
As I have consistently said,Alex is mediocre on the field and a great person off the field. So if Alex were to o to Seattle I would be happy for him that he found one of the few places where he might be thought of as a starter in the nfl and would be happy that we get to face a mediocre team with a mediocre talent at QB ,twice a year,until they upgrade too.
But that is all huge speculation. I still believe PM will stay in the AFC and Alex will be OUR starting Qb for another year or so. Some things are just too god to be true and changing Alex for PM seems to me to be in that catagory.
Tim at one time I called you a politician, I do regret that I said that. My aplologies. Your post of late are somewhat redundent but one thing I will say about you I dont recall ever seeing you calling people names and for that my hat is off to you. We very seldom agree but thats okay.
@undercenter
+1
Tim, If all this hoopla is true, believe me A. Smith himself will not resigned with the niners. Loyalty is not the issue here , the respect and truthfullness to an individual is very important at work place or with family members and friends.
Hey , you might get your wish CK is going tobe your starting QB for 2012 season…Goodluck…I believe the niners record after this 2012 season record will be 6-10..And the fan base will have another young QB to run under the bus..lol
i tend to think the truthfulness and trust were fully disclosed between AS/baalke/JH/condon for sometime now…..
At 35, and the window of opp shrinking, why would Manning want to play at Mile High in November and December. Believe me, older bones and cold weather don’t make for a good marriage.
AES, Denv has the cap dollars to fill the voids including enough to sign MW and pay the 1st round tender to get him. Plenty of money….
I don’t believe money will be the deciding factor Hofe.
Like I mentioned earlier, if Payton signs, he will specifically say that he did so because the 49ers give him the best opportunity at winning a Superbowl, period!
AES, take a look at Sando. He and MM have the more realistic take on this unfolding story.
AES great point. I had PM’s injury. Cold is the worst thing for it. That is why he will not play in Denver. Even Tennessee is out of the question. He will choose SF if the money is close…
I wonder if we will offer anything close to what Denver or the Titans are willing too. Denver has a bunch of cap space, willing to go 5 yrs, 90 mil, pretty much the same deal he had when he was healthy in Indy. I don’t know if the 49ers are willing to give that much considering his age and health as of now. If that is the deal and Manning is worth that deal to the 49ers, then it means you are probably going to lose a few good players in future years, like Bowman or other important starters. I hope they figure all that stuff out.
Michael, in addition to PM, they could also attain MWallace services with the cap room they have to use currently.
Ahhhhhh, DS. Welcome back. Had me worried for a moment.
Let’s see where do I start?
Ok just one for now…. “Payton to Moss…. touchdown!”
It’s interesting DS and Jordo showed up a few minutes apart. Hmm.
“Keep your friends close, but your enemies closer” (lol)!
Lol. That would be like finding out that Sean Young is Ray Finkle.
Lol so are you implying DS and Jordan are the same person, just comments opposing opinions to get arguments going?
“your gun is digging into my hip”
@AES
Peyton to Moss TD!!!
Peyton lying on the ground. Will stay there the rest of the season.
The Titans have a way better OL. Plus the added bonus of the revenge factor to get back at Indy. Don’t think that won’t play a role. I’ll be it a small one.
If he goes to the Bronocs, the AFC West sucks big time. All those defenses stink. Little chance of getting hurt in a division game.
If he comes here (or Seattle) he has to play 3 very tough defenses which are smart enough not to fall for PM’s little tricks. They will come and come hard and lay a whooping on the boy he has not never seen before.
P.S. I can just as easily see AS to RM TD!!
Plus AS can buy RM time to get open. PM can’t.
And thanks for your concern. lol
@hof
You’re disgusting.
LOL Hofer
PM doesnt need to buy RM time to get open.. Unlike AS, PM can throw somebody open like good QBs do..
JM needed WR’s to get open.
Are you saying that JM was not a great QB?
What are you talking about? Do you always just throw random arguments out there to prove your points? I never made any comment on JM. Talking to you is like talking to my 10 year old..
You don’t know what you write do you?
“…PM can throw somebody open like good QBs do..”
When I saw JM play, the WR’s were open. Don’t know about you. BW told JM that there are 3 possibilities when you pass, and two of them are bad. You want to win games, you best do your job and avoid the worst of those options.
Youre right, I said “PM”. Never mentioned JM once. Good Walsh quote though..
JM was THE WCO QB.
PM is not. If he comes here, he will need to do things that the WCO demands from him. Things that he has not done.
And if we change our offense just for him, then the whole offense is once again in the same boat as it has been since AS was drafted.
Good point but once again, stay on topic. All I said is that good QBs throw WRs open. Your current statement has nothing to do with what I was talking about. That being said;
Im not worried about that. I fully trust JH and TB know what they’re doing. I guess you dont.
The topic is PM and if he will/should come here.
That is the topic. That is what I am talking about. The blog subject. I don’t have to be constrained to what you say. I can bring in my own thoughts. As can you.
In that discussion, I see nothing wrong with bringing up the best QB ever who also played the type of offense we have, and asking about PM’s ability to play that style.
Adam:
Why would they consider trading away their future(Kaep) ? If they get Manning(I doubt they do) then when he is done they need a young gun that is ready to step right in and by then Kaep should be more than ready,chomping at the bit ready,to strp right in and be the Franchise guy for the next 10 years. No sense in trading him now imho.
Tim, I understand your concerns regarding CK7, but I honestly feel that Tolzien can be more of a Payton type than CK. While CK is much more athletic, Tolzien looks very comfortable in the pocket and is very accurate. Tolzien may turn out to be hier-appearent rather than CK a few year down the road.
Point: I want to win a Superbowl NOW! If some players need to go in order to bring in Manning, so be it. I hope the Org feels the same why I do.
AES, good point regarding ST. That is why a trade of CK to Mia as thrown out hypothetically yesterday by GC, would add high end talent to an already talented 9er team.
What evidence do you have that Tolzien is a pocket passing heir-apparent to Manning? Are you using the SD game as your primary highlight reel?
the CK angle is intriguing to me as well….but of course i just don’t know the breadth of CK’s attributes to know if getting a high first round pick this year or next is worth the chance of missing out on a future franchise QB already in hand
@Tim
Yesterday Grant said something about Cleveland wanting CK, or that CK is a better QB than what Cleveland could get at their slot. So, the idea came of trading CK to Cleveland’s 1st round pick.
I said that would be stupid, but if Cleveland wants to be stupid, let them. Do the trade.
Miami
I don’t know if they consider it, I’m just throwing it out there. I didn’t realize Grant also mentioned this yesterday. I’m a bit behind and trying to get caught up with all the opinions.
I think there might be a good case to be made (if they sign Manning.) CK would have value now (and won’t the farther we go along.) If Manning is a five-year deal, maybe he lasts all five years, maybe he only goes three. How long can CK sit around before he wants a chance to start somewhere?
From what I’ve seen of Tolzien’s college tape, he’s a good QB, he may only ever be a #2 but he’s definitely a worthy #2.
I don’t know.
Denver is offering five years @ $90 mil. Can the Niners match that?
@Adam:
Do they have to?
I don’t know. Someone is reporting out there that the Niners will match whatever Denver offers. I’m not sure how they can do that but hey… if they can do it… go for it.
Who are these guys named “someone”, “source”, “person with knowledge of the situation”? A source has it that a person with knowledge of the situation heard a source say that I will be starting for the Niners in 2012. Man, am I excited! Oh, and “they” also said I took a fysical(sic). This story, by the way, was corroborated by that guy named Yahoo! Who is this guy named Yahoo! anyway?
Adam,
That was talked about yesterday and my take on it was, Kap really has no more value now than he did last season. In other words unless someone is going to hand you a 1st which I doubt, you keep him around and let him learn from one of the greats. Yes he may never play before his contract is over, but then again he might learn enough to take over early.
You think Tannehill is better than Kaepernick?
I don’t see how you’d get a 1st out of him unless it was late round but I could see something reasonable being done there.
I’m not a Tannehill fan at all Grant but he’s being viewed as a better prospect than Kap was last year. I’d rather have Kap, but I doubt you’ll find a team that feels strong enough about him to part with their first round pick.
I would love to see Peyton Manning in a 49er uniform. So long as it is a good deal for both sides and doesn’t keep the 49ers from keeping their good young players. Have to start thinking about players like Navarro Bowman, whose deal is up in what? 2 years?
Miami and Arizona have both said they are officially out of the PM sweepstakes .
finally someone with a good update
DS:
PM gets rid of the ball on time and on target,so unless there is a “bounty” on him he should stay as healty as any othe 35 year old QB with 4 neck surgeries , behind our very capable and maturing O line.
Then why does PM talk about the Titans OL?
Heck. If he is so fast, just have the Center, and an extra 4 WR’s out there.
Nobody can do anything good Tim if there is nobody open. Don’t fool yourself. PM does not make WR get open. When we played the Colts last time, he found out what a good defense can do.
You lose all credibility when you make statements like, “PM does not make WR get open.” You are serious?
You lose all credibility thinking that WR’s don’t matter in the passing game.
WR’s have a job. QB’s have a job. OL have a job. To make it work, all 3 need to do their job.
By the way. Anybody who is worried about something so retarded as their “cred” on a football blog takes this thing way too seriously.
Once again DS, dont put words in my mouth. Never said WR’s dont matter. Stay on target
And yet he’s a sure “HALL OF FAMER” DS. That makes all the difference in the world. If he’s healthy (Harbuagh and Baalke believe he is), he is a top 3 QB. And he will throw our WR’ open! That’s what HOF’ do.
A center and an extra four wide receivers is illegal formation.
@grimey
I’m sure the NFL will change the rule. They did for TB when he got hurt.
Just a phone call from PM,and the NFL will do whatever PM wants.
A HOF QB himself said that WR’s were not getting open in the Title game. A HOF WR himself said that MC can’t get open.
Add the two things together.
No AES. HOF QB’s don’t do that. They find a way to win. And they find multiple different ways to win. They win on the road. They win when they play poorly. They win with the odds against them. I consider those things far more valuable than what you think.
Gunslingers throw the ball all around the place. Most gunslingers don’t win many games. Especially come playoff time.
Also, our WR’s dropped, tipped a lot of balls. If they do so with PM throwing into a tight window, the pass could easily be intercepted. The WR needs to be good and hold onto it. The QB can’t make that happen.
… and DSL crosses the line and uses the word “retarded.”
It’s time you get off your high horse and recognize that you are the worst among us, throwing out a word like that. Shame on you! Shame shame shame! People who are challenged were born that way and never had a chance at a life where idiots like you might mock them!
Contrast this with yourself, DSL, and it is no wonder you are such a bitter, pompous arse. Some are made that way by nature, while others, such as you, DSL, were dropped, kicked in the head, and molested by their uncles, and whatever chance you had was similarly taken. I pity you, for though you are not technically retarded, you are deficient as a human.
@pork
Way to keep your act up. I don’t know what to say.
PM does not make WR get open!!! LOL, he can not run the route for the WR but he sure can throw the ball to a wide out in any size of a window. PM is a hall of fame QB that changed the game of football in INDI.
DS:
PM is perhaps the best reg season qb in history,so we should easily get to the playoffs with him. PM has had his problems in the playoffs,that is true BUT he has never had a defense and st’s like he would have here. He would be great in the playoffs and would have easily beaten the Giants in that Championship game,easily imho. SB 6 is not in the case because we didnt have a qb like him to go along with the st’s and defense to overcome the Williams mistakes But all just talk now since I doubt he comes here.
Tim if PM signs with our team our offense will become the top 5 to 10 offenses in the league in production with the same WRs and TE. I still believe Alex should take the contract and sign up as well since PM is not going to play just for a few years and one hit can end his career.
@Tim
We made the playoffs with AS last year. So, in no way is PM any better in that regard.
And please tell me how PM or any QB for that matter having a good defense or ST impacts their own poor play? If the defense sucks, that does not give you the right to suck. If anything, PM is overly aggressive and puts his defense in poor situations come playoff time.
By the way. PM was perhaps the worst QB in the playoff year he won the Super Bowl in history. His defense bailed him out. He didn’t bail them out. Look at his stat/game performances for that one year. They were not very good (playoffs now. He was great in the regular season).
AS bailed out the Niners D late in the NO game. Has PM ever done so in a playoff game? And PM has played in what, 18 of them? AS did it in his first. You think he would have easily beaten the Giants? He never would have beaten the Saints to get into that game. First you have to get to the title game Tim. PM would not have. Nothing in his history suggests that he can do it.
His last Super Bowl, he lost it throwing that Int. He is not JM. Not even close. At least I can say with some certainty AS would not have thrown that ball and still give his team another shot on the next play.
What????
Crazy talk!!!
You guys did actually watch the game right?
PM threw an Int as the Colts were driving to win the game, and ended up sealing it for the Saints.
Look up the stats yourself.
DS when PM signs will u please leave.
I just lost some brain cells reading that post.
Too bad nick
You have so few brain cells.
All you have are insults. Please look at PM in the Super Bowl games, and come back then.
BS23dr3467ers,
Please, just say no to drugs! You have completely lost your mind. I get it now. You post the dumbest shi- on the blog for attention. You are pathetic.
I am begging Grant to ban you for your own sanity and for the sanity of others on this blog. You are a danger to yourself. Please resign from the blog, effective immediately. Good night Now!!
Jordan, Can you get me a pair of those whistle tips?
Um, Yippe-kai-yay
Looks like Manning want the same deal he got with the Colts, 90 million contract, and the Bronco’s will pay that,not for a 35 year old, but how can Alex come back to the Niners after all of this. This relationship looks quite ruined and damaged. If any team wanted Alex he would of already signed. This could be the end of the Smith era, and that will be good news. Also he must feel betrayed by his agent. I wish Alex was a poor man Peyton Manning but more of a poor man Neil McDonald.
Alex can come back to 49ers very easily since every team in the league has expressed interest in PM and he is a hall of fame QB! Alex can not get caught up in all this, its just NFL! If he goes to the seahawks, jags or browns he will destroy his career.
Neal, Alex will land on his feet no matter what happens. I wish the best for Alex if the team goes a different direction. But Superbowls don’t come easy. And it’s been over 20 years since we last won a SB, if Manning gives us a better chance at a ring the Org has to pull the trigger.
AES, well said. Eagles were loaded with talent last year and fell flat. It will be interesting…
It’s business Neal and after all that Smith has been through, I’m guessing he’s not sweating this anymore than the other ones.
I think under most circumstances, they would have resigned Alex right away and been happy with that, This however is a completely different animal.
When a player like this becomes available, you are doing yourself a dis-service if you don’t explore the possibility of acquiring him. I’m sure Alex Smith being the intelligent Economics Graduate he is, understands that.
If they don’t get Manning, I’m pretty sure the relationship with Smith will be just fine and he’ll be back as the QB.
maybe your right but the Kumbaya relationship between Smith and Harbaugh is over.
Here, here…
@Neal
Who is Neil McDonald?
NickRow,
He played QB mostly the Steelers and went to a Super Bowl but the Steelers lost that year back in the 90′s
Someone asked RM if he had gotten to know AS yet. His response was, I’m excited to meet all my teammates. Look back I’m wondering if RM dodged the question because he was lured with the prospect of bringing in PM.
Ehh, I kinda of doubt that Bay. Seems more like a simple answer and wanted to meet all his new teammates. I think you’re reading too much into nothing on that there.
Just heard from a friend in the Bay Area that the Niners have or had Steve Young working on Manning?
Any truth to this?
Check in at 3p with the Razor and Mr T. They have SY knowledge and maybe they get him on the phone?
Good call. I got it on.
8 minutes ago on Twitter:
AdamSchefter Adam Schefter
Steve Young on ESPN on his former 49ers team: “They know they’re the best answer for Peyton Manning…that’s why they’ll probably land him.”
Thanks for the ‘heads-up’ Hofe.
You know what, Koz is absolutely right.
So what happens if you miss on Manning and you piss Smith off and he signs with Seattle?
Then we’d have some interesting times ahead :P
DS:
Who said WR,s dont matter ???
lol thank you, Tim. The only person that said that was: DS
You think that PM will make our WR’s get open. WRONG! WR’s will get open.
And if we get PM, what great WR will he have to throw it too? All while behind our sieve of an OL?
We can still make a play for Wallace if we keep AS. We can’t if we get PM.
I want to say that I am all for the Niners winning sooner than later. If we sign Manning, then lets roll!! I’ll agree there is very good chance for him to play in a Super Bowl with us (probably better than any other team he is talking with). I just don’t want us pulling some dopey move thinking its a guaranteed
lock to win a championship. This is still a team sport!
Ironically Indy may disagree with that statement after last year, but that is why all of the personnel men in Indy were fired!
KNBR just announced that the Niners are willing to match the Broncos offer. Hofer more to come…..
TBD. I’m all in on the JH QB choice as I was last year. How about you Bay?
Me too Hofer, lets leave it to JIM H
It would be hard to argue against his decisions concerning the QB position given the turn around Smith had. The mere fact that his system turned around Smith(at least for a a year) should basically make the rest of us shut the hell up about this!!
With that I completely renounce my previous rant about signing Manning and will now just sit back and see what happens and enjoy.
The future is bright now, unlike the Mike Years!
Chicago, FYI I’ve asked Jordo and Bay the same question and they just can’t answer.
Hofer,
stop with the double talk. You are not all in with JH. If you were you would have said at least one positive thing about his interest in PM.
You haven’t because you are an AS fan first. The whole room knows it. Be a man and own that at least…
Lol, waffles for lunch?
Bay, answer the question. Are you all in with the QB that the 9ers sign!??
Yes Hofer I am all in with whomever the 49ers pick at QB. Happy? I am confident they know their areas of weakness and will upgrade them.
Here is Branches article.
http://blog.sfgate.com/49ers/2012/03/16/peyton-manning-thoughts-can-the-49ers-offer-90-million/
So am I so we agree.
In money or years? Im ok with the money but 5 years is caraaaazy!!!
They’ll have opt out language in the contract for years 3,4, 5.
So, PM worked out for the Niners first out of all the teams( tues). Then had a physical from the Niners doctors on Wed.
He is working out for Denver today and is supposed to work out for Tenn also,if he doesnt sign elsewhere first.
Yes.
And the whole time Denver was getting the attention. Maybe because Denver can actually get the guy.
Twitter
AdamSchefter:
Steve Young on ESPN on his former 49ers team: “They know they’re the best answer for Peyton Manning…that’s why they’ll probably land him.” [via Twitter]
http://twitter.com/#!/adamschefter
IF 9ers sign Manning, Alex is out of the equation, except as a backup. Alex could certainly learn a thing or 2 as well from Manning, but that won’t matter any more. Meanwhile, CK learns under Manning and takes over in 2-3 years tops. 9ers have this figured out!
If they somehow get Manning, Smith is long gone. bye bye!
Win-win.
Somehow i have a feeling PM will sign with TEN! but i guess anything is possible!!!
DanBunz:
If all you want to do is come here and attack other fans who only want to talk football and give their own point of view on football topics,then take a hike please,you are not wanted and since you are breaking every rule of the site with every post you make you should be banned if you dont settle down. Talk football please, no petsonal attacks allowed !!!!!!
@Tim
That is all that danbunz does.
DS:
I dont know about Jordan but I believe Bay has stated several times that whoever is the qb of the team that Bay will cheer for him because he is a TEAM first fan. So whoever JH and TB have left over after their first choice PM is gone(if he doesnt sign here,as I doubt he will) I know aBay and I and all true fans of the team will cheer and hope for the best for that qb.
@Tim
Sorry. I can believe you. But no way do I believe bay. How he says things and interacts with others is disgusting. The two worst things I ever saw on this blog, he wrote.
*can’t*
So Grant:
Do you agree with Steve Young that PM will choose the Niners?
nfl net commentators now believe it is even money between Tenn,Denver and our Niners.
Yes, I believe Manning will choose the Niners.
@Grant:
And do you think the 49ers can offer less money and still land him? If so, how much less?
I’m not sure, but I think Paraag will figure out a way to pay him what he wants. I expect the Niners to make the big splash here – cash in on last season and the upcoming stadium revenue and the potential Manning revenue.
@Grant:
Thanks for responding. I think the 49ers can get him for less by pushing the message that this is his best chance at winning the Super Bowl. And, as Tim Kawakami writes, Harbaugh is in the best position to frame that particular selling point:
But it also fits: If Harbaugh can sell Manning on coming to the team that is definitely best set up to win with him immediately–and take less money, perhaps–then that’s the essence of the spirit of this team these days.
Interestingly, just last January, Harbaugh had the chance to take more money from Miami and turned it down (as Manning apparently has done, too), and Harbaugh also drew interest from Denver.
And Harbaugh took the 49ers’ job, for very good but not overpowering money, and he did it because he believed it was his best chance to set things up properly.
He has done that. I think that will be a strong pitch to Manning.
http://blogs.mercurynews.com/kawakami/2012/03/16/yikes-the-49ers-surprise-strike-theyre-going-after-peyton-manning/
Very interesting. They could pull it off. We shall see.
I wonder if KC fans were this excited back in ’93 when they picked up a future Hall of Famer in a similar situation. Exciting stuff.
…”Yes, I believe Manning will choose the Niners”………what if he does not?
In that case, the Niners will probably re-sign Smith.
Me too, and for less money than Denver or Tenn offer. He wants at least 1 more SB, and no chance he gets that with Denver or Tenn before the end of his career in 3 yrs.
Meanwhile CK develops behind PM and takes over then. Sweeeeeet
Grant, No disrespect to your comments. Ididn’t you’re a fortune teller..lol
I tell you what my friend, He signs with either Tenn or Denver.. As much as you hate A. Smith , don’t worry he himself will decide not to sign with the niners..After all they the niners organization put alex in this position..I think this time around Alex Smith will move on with another team and organization and a fan base that will treat him with respect..
….I mean’t about your judgement on matters like this…….you do know it is all speculations……
Of all the days to be tied up with meetings.
How in the world did the Niners keep this quiet for this long is what I want to know? That is impressive.
I think where Manning goes will depend on whether he values a real chance at a SB, or he wants to fatten his wallet with one last big contract. I don’t see anyway the Niners give him the contract the Broncos are reportedly ready to hand him – 5 years 90 mill – but I could see them guaranteeing him something in the ball park of 30 mill over 3 years with the chance to make more if he stays healthy and productive.
If he truly wants to win a Championship, the Niners are the clear choice.
Barrows says he sees trouble on the horizon with Maning and Moss being together……because who will wear # 18 lol.
Manning…Moss will wear #84, most likely.
Getting to the reality of the situation, can you imagine how many times the 49ers will be on prime time with Manning. When the Giants play the 49ers in Candlestick you’d be looking at the highest regular season tv ratings in history.
Dang Andrew, I hadn’t thought of that.
Just think if the Manning bros met in the playoffs at Candlestick. Collinsworth would explode.
seriously…money talks….peyton pays moss some
Manning would be a huge signing but for 90 million. If this was 2006 sure but the dude is 36 and had 4 neck surgeries, this potential move is all on Baalke and the size of his stones.
He won’t see 90 million. If they win a SB, I could see him going out on top.
BigP, if that’s the case why talk to Denv and Tenn? Just sign with the 9ers based on last year’s results? A SB doesn’t take care of his bank account the rest of his life. Yes he’d like another SB, but he also wants to retrieve some of the money ($28M) that Indy wasn’t required to pay when they released him.
Big P, here’s the scenario.
PM signs with 49ers.
PM shocks the NFL for signing at a ‘bargin price.’
PM wins a second SB ring and boasts the same bragging rights as his brother Eli.
PM wins a his 3rd SB ring and one up’s his brother.
PM gives his 3rd SB ring to his dad Archie Manning.
PM rides off into the SF sunset alongside legends J.Montana and S.Young!
7 SB rings and one better than the Steelers for football immortality.
Yeah, I could live with that!
…i just don’t get the thinking here from TB….Alex and Manning both have the same agent!!!!!………
You are correct Bay ,although kc had a good defense they had a weak ofense ans Joe carried them . PM would be great here but I still doubt it hapens.
And withPM our receivers suddenly get much better.
DS94everXev says:
March 16, 2012 at 3:09 pm
@grimey
“I’m sure the NFL will change the rule. They did for TB when he got hurt.
Just a phone call from PM,and the NFL will do whatever PM wants.
A HOF QB himself said that WR’s were not getting open in the Title game. A HOF WR himself said that MC can’t get open.”
DS, time to move on from the championship game loss. As I said earlier, PM is a HOF QB. I would venture to say that the same HOF QB you are refering to would love the idea of Payton Manning on the 49ers. I know the other one (S.Young) sure would!
I bet Crabtree would.
Its evident that DS just cant stand PM. You’d have to be crazy to turn down a healthy PM. and if the niners somehow get him, he will be healthy
Relax on all of the acronyms. Now go work on those TPS reports.
lol.. good one, MG
“Didn’t you get the memo?”
I didn’t get the memo because I didn’t want to ‘jump to conclusions’
MG,
Lol, good stuff.
http://cdn1.hark.com/images/000/503/332/503332/original.jpg
@AES
If PM is so great, why hasn’t he won more Super Bowls? If he elevates the players around him, why has not failed so much so frequently in the playoffs?
He has things he does well. And things he does poorly. The things we need from any QB are the things that PM has done poorly.
And, I never want the team to move past the title game if it means we lose our edge. We need to take that into next season. That hurt needs to drive the Niner players to be better. Especially MC.
“And, I never want the team to move past the title game if it means we lose our edge. We need to take that into next season. That hurt needs to drive the Niner players to be better. Especially MC.”
Spoken like a true fan, of Alex that is. Ridiculous.
Find something better to do with your time Big P.
Don’t quote me. You suck at it.
Just keep making stupid comments like that, it’s pure entertainment! Don’t lose your edge! Lmao!
Stay away. Stalker
Lol, you wish somebody was stalking you. It would be the closest thing you get to attention. Don’t lose your edge! Lmao.
Stalker
Only stalkers keep track of every place, everything a person does. You do that BigP.
You are a stalker. Go give that hot wife of yours some attention instead. I hope that you both enjoy it more than you enjoy this.
Like I said, you would be flattered to have somebody stalking you. Nobody is, and you are angry about it. It’s okay, stop medicating yourself and live life! Just don’t lose your edge! Lol.
Stalker
You’re doing it right now. I don’t much care for you BigP. I don’t read your posts. I don’t need too. I know what you say. And I don’t like it.
DS, sorry, but your comments about Payton Manning are not worthy of a response….
BS,
You say the same thing every time. You have nothing else to do but write on this blog, let’s be real. You steal your neighbors bandwith while munching on the government cheese that my federal taxes pay for. You are the “steaming divot.”
Stalker
Only in your fantasies.
@AES
Why don’t you just follow PM and become a fan of whatever team he is on then?
PM is not God. He is a QB who needs to face scrutiny like any other. If he consistently has failed to do something (win in the playoffs) then he should be scrutinized for doing so.
If you don’t think he is scrutinizing himself, you are very wrong.
Steve Young, on ESPN, stated that he thinks the Niners will get PM. Stay tuned folks.
Why do I feel like this is me watching that white Bronco carrying OJ Simpson down the highway in 1991 all over again?
Who’s driving – Alex or Peyton? :-)
Actually, Patrick Willis was driving with the Cowboy sitting shotgun and Alex was in the back seat holding on for dear life.
OK, I’ll play along. Condon is driving. Peyton is in the back (giggling). Harbaugh, Baalke, Elway, Bud Adams are in the chasing police cars. Alex and Hasselback are watching on TV, just like us, asking: “WTF?” Tim Tebow is in church praying for a peaceful resolution. Kevin Kolb is too busy counting the $7M the Cardinals just gave him (in one dollar bills). “Someone”, “Source”, “person with knowledge of the situation” and “a friend of one of the involved parties” is leaking another rumor to Adam Schefter to keep this reality show going. Ratings are up. Blog hits are sky rocketing.
I’m sitting here saying, “c’mon already, choose a team!” It’s not like it will matter one way or the other to Peyton. However this falls he will have some owner funding his quest to own his own future NFL franchise. Brilliant!
Good times.
perfect
But Rocket;
Last year they went after Hasselbeck over Alex and even after Alex had best year for him they sre doing it again,trying for an upgrade over Alex. Sooner or late r it will sink in to Alex and you all that they dont really believe in Alex, unless he is all they can get.
Tim,
I have no doubt that Harbaugh was honest with his assessment of Alex. I think this is a clear case of having a chance at a player they probably didn’t consider as being possible until the past month or so.
I’m guessing the plan was to continue with Alex until it became apparent that Manning was healing faster than expected, and was only being pursued by teams that had money but no reasonable expectation of a Championship. At that point if you’re Harbaugh and Baalke you have to at least try to see if it’s a possibility, and they did.
Maybe Alex will be upset about this and will feel like the spurned lover again, but when it comes down to making a decision on his future, there’s little doubt he’ll come back if they want him.
Guapo…if you’re out there, just wanted to give you props for your gut feeling that the Niners were going after Manning the other day. You were right!!!
Does your gut say we’ll sign him too?
I’m starting to get the same feeling I had last year when Jed/Trent were in hot pursuit of Harbaugh – there was no doubt in my mind they’d get their guy!!!
Good call on the Guapo ‘cred’ 49erGirl.
AES, who is that in your Avatar? Can’t see it clearly.
The Rams are close to to a contract agreement with Mario Manningham.
Who is PM going to throw to the practice squad WRs? I say they miss on PM and go after MW and pay the tender.
Are you afraid that MC might look much better with Manning throwing him the ball?
Hofe, your frustration is showing!
No matter what (who) the QB is hof. We need a better WR. The Niners should focus on that as priority.
@Hofer
Are you related to Alex Smith by any chance?
Go have some wine H0fer, your getting to worked up.
No, just a gut feeling. I’m not saying AS is even here. If Tenn signs PM, MH could be next years QB.
Just a guess Hof, but I think they’d go sign a vet like Lloyd, see what Dallas Clark is up to, and draft some WR’s. Keep in mind that Other than Reggie Wayne, Manning had some pretty average WR’s he played with at times and made them look pretty good. I think we can surround him with better WR’s than Austin Collie and Anthony Gonzalez.
Rocket, could be. My gut tells me they don’t get PM and they take the cap money and chase MW. TBD.
Hofer,
PLEASE!! You are embarrasing yourself, seriously. Give it a rest. Alex is ……… GONE.
…so you are sure now 49ers will get PM
If Tannehill is a top-5 pick, Kaepernick should be worth a top-10 pick.
Tannehill is this years Blaine Gabbert.
No kidding BigP. Talk about overrating a prospect.
It won’t surprise me if Tannehill drops to the 2nd round.
Mel Kiper Jr. and Peter King are calling him a top-five pick.
He’s only top 5 if the Browns think he’s better than Colt McCoy.
Somebody will overdraft him, I just don’t think he’s a top five talent.
The only team in the top 5 that needs him is possibly Cleveland and they need Richardson or Blackmon more.
Tannehill is a second round prospect that may get pushed up into top-10 consideration because of high demand for QBs and some team reaching for him (possibly Miami if they miss out on PM and Flynn).
@Grant
You’re the one who got to watch Kaepernick, what do YOU think? Many other reporters stated unequivocally that Kaep’s ball was scary powerful! His mobility size strength and speed are superior to every prospect on the board, so what gives? Harbaugh chose HIM, & he’s been with the guru now for a full season… your take?
Steve Wyche of NFL Network wrote this about recent Manning developments:
The rest of the NFL had to get a chill when it was learned Friday that Harbaugh and offensive coordinator Greg Roman worked out Manning early in the week and are in the hunt to make him San Francisco’s quarterback. As scary as the 49ers were, Manning would make them downright frightening.
No disrespect to Alex, but it’s time to upgrade the QB position and strike fear in the hearts of Niner opponents.
http://www.nfl.com/news/story/09000d5d827a67d3/article/peyton-manning-would-turn-49ers-into-super-bowl-favorite?module=HP11_content_stream
Wyche is on a role in this article. Here’s another quote. Just love it
Manning to San Francisco would be a major game-changer. The 49ers already looked to be a force but Manning would amplify the threat 10-fold.
MD, where are you?
What’s your take on all this?
lol. Hard day at work AES…..I cant help but think of onelame balled up in a corner in the basement weeping uncontrollably clutching his Smith doll telling it….”Your still my coldblooded assassin” lmao! Poor kid
But Im glad they at least kicked the tires if he doesnt sign. I think it comes down to Money, or comfort and Rings….. If he really wants to end his career a winner he has to pick us.Otherwise he will fail. I cant get excited until he signs a deal.I was very disappointed when Warner took us for a ride. Fingers crossed and a pat on the head for Onelame. Poor Poor kid! Buahahahahahaaa
Warner is continuing to try to screw us. He’s telling Manning to go back the AFC now that the Cardinals are out of the race for him.
OregonNiner:
What do you mean lack of loyalty to Alex by the FO ??????They have been overly loyal with keeping him around for 7 years and in paying him tens of millions of dollars for little production on the field !
The FO is being very very loyal to their fans and the rest of the players by going after Manning so the team has the best chance to win that the FO can provide.
Totally agree with you here, TIM.
The Moss/Manning scenario is no accident. After only 15 min workout, the Niners were swift to sign Moss and had Manning lined up to throw for them the next day. Hmmm?
I bet when Harbaugh was finished throwing passes to Randy Moss he told him “I’m no Peyton Manning” (while winking).
Like………F that +1 crap. lol
Boy DS , do you know how silly you sound when you keep saying PM is a bad playoff QB ? With this Niners defense he will be a much better playoff QB than when he was with the Colts. The main proof is that even with a mediocre QB we almost got to and probably would have won the SB.Do even you doubt that with PM we would have easily gone to the SB ?Come on now in your heart you know it is true. But its all speculation and water cooler talk, sincr I still doubt he comes here,simply because it is too good to be really true. But it is exciting !
What is his record Tim?
What makes you so sure that PM will be better with our defense? He plays on offense Tim. How will he better on our offense than he was before with his offense scoring in the playoffs? PM throws Int’s in the playoffs. How does that help our defense? Why would PM suddenly be able to stop turning the ball over in the playoffs by magically coming here?
I seriously doubt PM can be a good WCO QB. What good WCO QB looks/plays like PM? None. They are all basically in the mold of JM. Agile. PM is not agile. Never was. Won’t be now after his surgery. What similarities do JM and PM have? Not many. The ones they do share are ones the real general type things. Like will to win and such. But will to win does not make a good WCO QB.
So, we would have to change our whole offense again.
Can you honestly tell me that PM can take us to the Super Bowl next year being a WCO QB? Can you tell me that PM will lead us to the Super Bowl if the whole offense has to learn his offense next year?
If not,then the rest of this discussion means nothing.
@ Tim
Manning is a premier playoff QB. Eli Manning, that is. Peyton Onetime gets AS pocket happy feet in the playoffs. All ya gotta do is watch a little footage. 9-9 & 1-1 are the only numbers you need, if footage ain’t your thing. That’s average. (of course, to have 9 losses in the playoffs means…)
Hoferfan67 says:
March 16, 2012 at 4:31 pm
“AES, who is that in your Avatar? Can’t see it clearly.”
Ahhhh, Hofe, I don’t want to upset you more then PM revelation today, but it’s CRABTREE going up high for a reception (lol).
OK just checking.
AES, wake me up when PM is in the building. lol
(lol) Hofe. No problem waking you up. But i’m sure you’ll hear the 49ers Faithful exuberant roar coming through your walls!
That pass must be from Smith.
Was that the one at the end of the Seattle game? It was an aggressive pass by Alex.
AES – Tremendous avatar! Great Crabtree catch! He probably dropped the pass after that. :-)
haha, Crab15, haha…
I’m late to the game but I don’t think CK is going to be traded for a first round pick. If we have to give PM 60M guaranteed for two years then NO! NO NO
CK is not going anywhere, not sure why there is still banter on trading him. Heres a Maiocco’s qoute:
“There’s been an offer on the table to Smith for some time. It’s a deal, sources have said, that leaves the door open for Colin Kaepernick to take over as the starter in the future.”
I don’t think a team would be that stupid to give up a top 10 pick for a 2nd round experiment anyway.
AES:
And if PM does sign here that will be mostly an end to Crabs needing to jump way high like that to catch passes. What a difference to areceiver when he can look forward to getting the ball on time and on target instead of over his head or in the dirt at his feet !
Out of all the teams courting Manning dont the Niners make the most sense from winning it all perspective? If it was about winning he would have signed with the 49 ers Tuesday. I think this is more about money for Manning and getting that 90 million he was suppose to get from the Colts. Dont think Dr. York will approve of signing a 36 yearold at that price. Insted he’s saying, we signed a coach for 5 million a year, he’s a QB guru, let him earn his cake.
Although if Manning is healthy, they are favorites to win a superbowl, so the question is, what does ownership want more?
Jed wants to continue uncle Eddie’s tradition of winning superbowls.
The 49ers are the best choice. I say no to a big guaranteed contract.
So does Peyton.
Not sure where my post from earlier today ended up but whatever, I’ll recap(like anyone was waiting). What happens if the Niners get the Manning who threw 11 picks in a 3 game stretch the last season he played?
I’m behind whatever the Niners feel is best but try and keep an even keel. The anti-Smith crowd and many others are acting like this is a guaranteed super bowl win. It’s like thunderdome in here.
Sean, PM is an upgrade if healthy to any of the teams investigating his services. I’m not one that gets too excited until he is in the building. Remember Mia flying out at the 11th hour to court JH last year and who got him? The team that was courting him the longest. TBD.
Hofer, I definitely agree if the Niners got THE Peyton Manning he’s an upgrade. He’d be an upgrade on most teams. I’m just a little leery of his age, health, the offensive system differances, but like you, I’m cheering for them no matter who is taking the snaps.
Sean, I have my reservations because bringing in a 35+ QB and winning a SB has never been done, but this is PM. If JH thinks its a plan, I’m all in.
Manning in Tenn. has no buzz, manning in Denver uh-uh. Manning in SF is the story of the year.
@Andrew
Sorry.
But Manning in Tenn is a huge story.
He would play the Colts and AL twice a year! The team that dumps him he plays every year. That is quite a story.
You just sprayed humping dogs with a garden hose. The reality is “any given sunday”, but it’s fun to dream.
Heat:
Jed and his Father hired the people he wants to make those decisions for him. Its now up to TB and Paarag and JH to make their decision. (and of course PM to make his).
Tim, one person signs the cheques and that person makes the final decision, Dr. John York. Lets not kid ourselves, he is the owner, his son is doing a good job, but ultimately, big John signs off any deal.
I think Manning could be far more cost then a Jed would normaly do..due to INCENTIVES. Games,Wins,..Championships. Manning might feel with this team,incentives are good for him..not out of reach. Other teams? hell no..no chance he would lean on them.
Like I said-especially if they sign Manning- the Yorks are ONE HARBAUGH from a second decade of non stop losing.
And I wondered why they didnt go after one of the top WR to make our qb complete. The whole time they were trying to get the qb to make our wr’ complete. Not gonna jinx it, but I still think he’s going to Denver.
@md
No matter what (who the QB is), we need a threat at WR. RM may be that guy. But if he isn’t, we are screwed. We need a younger great talent.
Going after PM would prevent that from happening. If the Niners fail to win a Super Bowl next year, it will have been a failure. We will have lost out on getting Wallace for years to come and PM would be one year older and much less likely to get us there.
Too big a risk.
Your crazy. Manning if healthy and the 9ers think he is……would win with our TE’s alone. Crabtree will be an elite reciever. Oh and his “old buddy from Indy” hasnt signed anywhere yet. wonder why. Whoever signs him is getting MH.
DS, give it up and admit PM is an upgrade to 20+ NFL teams. Done.
BTW, MD that’s a little far fetched thinking MC will be elite. There is no way he is CJ, AJ, BM, VJ. Now they are elite. But he may be next level.
@hof
Who cares about 20+ teams?
I am not a fan of any other team. If he is an upgrade for 20 other teams, let them take him.
I am a Niner fan hof. I don’t care about the other teams.
I don’t know how you define elite receivers MD, but I only think there are 3 elite receivers in the league, and maybe 4 in a couple years. Andre Johnson, Larry Fitzgerald, and Calvin Johnson, with AJ Green possibly the 4th one on the way to become one.
I hope you were talking referring to Reggie Wayne MD, because Marvin Harrison is not playing anymore. Wayne re-signed with Indy already, so he isn’t an option anymore.
Elite in my opinion on recievers is 1000 yards plus and a trip to the pro bowl with Td catches all year. MC could very well be that with Manning.
I agree Manning will improve Crabtree’s numbers, but I don’t see anything that says elite to me. Just my take on his play. He is a really good #2 receiver, but I don’t think he is a #1 type go to receiver. I save elite status for the truly top of the league players who are All Pro, HOF players. Pro Bowl to me means you are a good/very good player at least.
MD, agree but “the WRs complete”? The WRs consist on RM (risk), KW, and MC. Not so much…
Crabs would be a pro bowler, Moss would be the comeback player of the year. VD might break the record for Te’s and Walker would be dangerous. If they sign Manning and stay healthy. Start your Superbowl party plans now. Manning makes recievers look great. These guys would go above and beyond for Manning. Thats what greats bring out in players. Thats what I believe and thats what so many greats have stated about their QB’s. It would be nice to see if Im right or wrong though. =-)
DS:
In this case you simply are grasping at straws and if you really believe PM wouldnt be better with a defense and st’s and coaching staff that dragged even our QB to near a SB , then there is no reasoning with you on this subject period. I guess you think that all of a sudden P M gets bad in the playoffs ??? In reality he just plays against better teams in the playoffs and his defenses have not been up to the task and he needed to try to force things to keep up.
That sounds like a Manningexcuse.
Very good Sean!
Wish I had thought of it.
Yes Jack. I am a master debater. Lawyers debate because they want money. I debate because that is who I am. I will take my time to carefully form my opinion (like your PM does ) then debate the point.
DS, At least you admit to being a master debater. Be careful tough, you might eventually go blind.
@Jack
What makes you think I am not blind,and am not using a software program to allow me to be on this blog?
This is a blog Jack. The only thing you will really know about me is that I am Niner fan.
DS says, “What makes you think I am not blind,and am not using a software program to allow me to be on this blog?”
That would actually explain a lot DS.
That was mean Jack.
Are you saying blind people can’t have opinions on things? You’d best ask Grant to delete that last post.
DS says “Are you saying blind people can’t have opinions on things?”
Nope, just that it would explain a lot about yours.
One of my best friends is blind, and even he can see that Manning would be an upgrade.
“Master debater” LMFAO!!!!!!! Instant Classic. You gotta admit that was funny DS…… Reminds me of the movie The Toy…..Master Bates! Ha ha ha
@md
I didn’t think it was really funny, but that was not got me a little mad.
It was the blind part. Nothing to do with the master debater thing. If you don’t think the GM/scouts/coaches never debate, you don’t have a football team. You have the Al Davis run Raiders.
Tim, DS will debate you until you give up. He is a master debater.
Your points about them getting beat by better teams is very true. He has carried the Colts, and masked their weaknesses for years. Just look at what happened to them this year when he finally wasn’t there to save them.
Ha you said master debater! Their super bowl team was pretty good but the others were PM and duct tape.
Again Tim.
What is PMs record in the playoffs?
How does having a good defense prevent any QB from throwing Int’s in the playoffs?
You are ignoring my questions. Pretending that the issues and points are lies and not a reality.
“In reality he just plays against better teams in the playoffs and his defenses have not been up to the task and he needed to try to force things to keep up.”
No. Tim. If PM was really good, he would still be able to score lots of points in those games. PM in fact does not score that many points in the playoffs anyway. Just because his defense gave up a lot of points does not have any impact on him not scoring any himself. He was able to score them in the regular season with the same defense. Why not in the playoffs?
You are right though in one point. In the regular season, he played a lot of weak teams. His division has always been pretty weak. He often loses to the better teams in the regular season. Didn’t Brady beat him like 4-5 times in a row at one point? And in the playoffs, you play the good teams. And, PM’s tricks don’t work against good teams.
Thanks for making my point Tim. : – )
Hofe – If you’re Peyton Manning and your younger brother has 2 rings to your 1 ring, wouldn’t you want to go where you had the best chance to win a Super Bowl now?
Peyton doesn’t even have bragging rights in his own family! Let that marinate in your brain a little while Hofe. :-)
Crab, agree he wants another SB but that doesn’t ultimately buy you groceries or take care of your family long term. Although the endorsements would continue. lol
Hofe – I know you’re a very experienced negotiator. If you’re PM, what do you ask Harbaugh/Baalke for (not salary related) as far as offensive scheme, your offense or current style Niner offense? Peyton is as smart as any NFL coach ya know.
What would get you in the building to sign with Niners if you were PM?
With a level playing field, the money. Denv was in the playoffs in a very weak division. I would say AFC West is much weaker than NFC West. JH has a plan and I don’t see him changing his offense to run PM’s offense. Two egos, so who wins out. If they win the SB, JH doesn’t get the credit and it is all about PM. So yes, I’d say the money. Lots of money.
Crab, sorry I noticed you said *not* salary related. That is why I don’t see PM signing here. May be wrong, but that is my gut. Do you see JH changing his offense? The face of the team becomes PM and no longer JH. JH becomes secondary on the team which he was primary. Not sure that is a good thing. TBD.
Hofe -Peyton said in his press conference “it’s not about the money.” I believe him.
Great point you made about who would get the credit if they won the Super Bowl.
X Factor? Harbaugh played four years with Colts! :-)
He didn’t play for Broncos or Titans.
PM is at the end of career not the beginning so it’s between Bronco’s & Niners. His interest in Titans is just a courtesy to his local Tennesee Vols fans.
Hofe – To answer your question, I would only change my offense for one of these QB’s (Manning, Brady, Brees & Rodgers).
Crab, we’ll need to see if JH is flexible. If they sign and win the SB with PM, it will be all about PM and his offense. That’s ok if you are JFox or MMunchak, but JH? That is why he was hired, to run his offense. What will he be know for? Signing PM!!?
Hofer says, “That is why he was hired, to run his offense.”
No Hofer, he was hired to win football games. I don’t think he cares if he has to run the wishbone to do it.
I’m feeling this is posturing. Smith and Manning have the same agent. Plus, remember the Niners and Warner situation.
So…Grant. With all the PM talk does this mean we’re not going to continue getting the “What’s Alex Eating Now?!” updates?
Unconfirmed reports say he’s lost his appetite.
Kick a guy when he’s down. lol
Lol.
sources around the league say no restaurants will give him a reservation.
i’m in scottsdale for giants spring training, and if you want to know what depression and pain is, it is the sensation going thru every cardinal fan and local broadcaster as they think about the combination of:
- not getting Manning to come to the Cards
- paying a 7mm roster bonus to kolb
- the prospect that PM might go to the niners
broadcasters down here have tails between legs
however this turns out, i tip my cap again to Baalke and Harbaugh. this aint about coddling anyone, its about winning championships. if we get PM, great, and if we dont, the job of starting QB on the San Francisco 49ers is available to be grasped and won in a competitive fight by Alez, Kaep, or whoever else has the talent and drive to grab it. anyone who wants to Qb a team with a Super Bowl-quality defense, step right up.
Coach always said he’s going to throw the ball’s out there and whoever does the best will start. If CK throws better and looks better do you really think he will start over PM. Jim H is just like all the other coaches out there he will do what it takes to win and that’s it. Plus he does not control personnel
i would bet heavily that Baalke does not make this move without not only consulting with Harbaugh, but Harbaugh’s strong support. see also Niners attempt to bring Matt Hasselback in on CSN website.
like any other situation in the nfl, Alex is our guy unless/until someone significantly better becomes available.
hell, we had joe montana and they brought in steve young…you want the job Joe? beat out Steve.
Wish we could’ve got Kaep in the game a little more last year to see his skills and where he’s at.
Me to. I’m rooting for him because he is a niner and i want to see that arm people talk about.
Alex is eating dinner with the Seahacks and he is eating crow. As better not go to a division rival. I will be pissed.
Why would Alex want to face Aldon Smith, Justin Smith and company twice next year?
He does not but he will play where he gets signed.
DS:
Once again grasping at straws to keep Alex and reject PM. Of course we will draft one or two young wr’s in the draft. Stop panicingI still think Alex will be our starter. But am glad the team knows he is not adequate.
And another post without any answers Tim to my questions.
Know what that means? You don’t have any. And if you do, you don’t want to admit you are wrong. If you did, you would answer my questions.
If you are so certain, why can’t you answer the simple question?
All this off-season I have heard that WR’s take a few years to develop. Now they suddenly won’t? Give me a break.
bingo. means we have mgmt and coaching that can see the nfl landscape accurately, which fans have trouble doing with the natural emotion involved in fandom
note: maioccos website has a who-do-you-want playing qb for the niners next year: 72 pct voting for peyton manning.
will defer to any true statisticians, but with a gap that wide you dont need a big sample size for that to be statistically significant.
otherwise, niner mgmt has played maiocco like a violin. if they told him they thought shantaenspencer was the answer at WR, he would print it
that is not a fun game ….. i would rather have a guessing game like where will peyton land voting button
and would like that votingto have the blogger’s avatar name under the team they think peyton goes to….
Dinner on the table ,catch up with you all later! Have fun talking Niners !Be nice .
I still want an answer from you Tim sometime to my questions.
Enjoy your evening!
If Alex Smith is not signed by the 49ers, Alex should contemplate sueing Tom Condon for screwing him royally…
I think all he can get for that is a kiss.
I agree.
I agree about Alex getting the shaft from his agent.
“I agree about Alex getting the shaft from his agent.”
And as suggested by MB, possibly by JH. His words won’t be worth much to those left standing.
not about the kiss? :)
Hofer, How do you know Harbaugh hasn’t been up front all along with Smith?
Even so why would that be any different than when a player says they want to come back, then sign with someone else for a better situation?
Jack, agree. Just saying what we’ve heard at pressers and interviews. Don’t know what was discussed behind closed doors or on the drive to the AT&T Pro Am.
I guess Harbaugh was pulling Alex chain that he is a elite QB, Smith has no options on the outside according to a NFL executive, that is bull crap about his agent, getting a Peyton Manning does not happen very often and quite frankly Alex Smith is a dime a dozen. My gut is that Manning is going to the Bronco’s and as I have always said that Alex is the last ugly girl at the dance and someone will pick her. Alex might end up as a second string QB somewhere and that is what he would do best, carrying a clipboard is the job he should have.
There would need to be a conflict of interest. Again, PM isn’t in the building and last I heard, Denv is offering a contract and Tenn is having him throw tomorrow.
Steve Young thinks PM would be a good fit because of our D and division.
I saw Steve on ESPN and he seemed absolutely positive that the Niners would land Peyton. Hope Steve isn’t disappointed.
Water, Just because Young is a Hall of Fame QB does not qualify him to make that statement. : )-
From what I’ve seen in these parts when Steve Young is pro-Alex he is the ultimate football genius.
When Steve hints that Alex may not be the bestest, most precious quarterback in the history of ever then Steve is a concussed moron who knows nothing about football.
It’s an ebb and flow sort of thing. Yin and yang.
MSC, poor analogy. Comparing AS to one of the best QBs ever. PM would trump SY.
Lol Hofer, All year the attitude on this blog towards Steve Young has ebbed and flowed based on how nice he is to Alex.
If he critiqued Alex he was a know nothing who should shut up.
I he praised Alex he was a football genius.
Now that Young is on the Manning bandwagon (and apparently helping the 49ers land him) he’ll go back to being a dummy who doesn’t know anything.
Until he says something nice about Alex. Then he’ll be a genius again.
MSC, very much like us, SY is opinionated. Did you see him on ESPN during the draft and how he treated TJackson a few years ago. I had a huge argument years ago with a good friend regarding JM and SY starting. Guess who I chose? Anyway, SY isn’t JElway running that show. JH and TB have a plan and this doesn’t play into what they are trying to do. Part of me feels that they had to kick the tires after JR mentioned that PM would be a great upgrade from last year. Who knows? If he is ready, I’d rather see CK than PM. No absolutes.
@msc
I loved SY the QB. But SY the analyst has not impressed me nearly as much.
I have not gone back and forth on anything. I think Dilfer is actually a better TV analyst than SY. TD couldn’t hold a candle next to SY on the field, but that means nothing now. I find Dilfer to give more thoughtful analysis of things than SY more consistently.
That does not mean I think TD is right all the time. Just that he makes me think more than SY’s comments.
Steve Young has insights into the game and he shares them on the Razor and Mr. T during the season. What impresses me is that he gets into the energies and dynamics on the playing field and in the locker room. You can disagree with him but he was brought up under Bill Walsh to be great. He knows what it takes to reach that status. Very few even get a whisper of that.
My comment was in jest, hence the smiley face. Steve Young does a great job on ESPN, andl unlike most of the talking heads, I think he tells it like he sees it without trying too hard.
@DS I like Young as an analyst but I’d agree that Dilfer is better. Dilfer does a great job.
@Jack – I knew you were kidding :-)
@msc
I like Dilfer but he is too nice. But that’s, OK because there aren’t may nice guys out there. Also, if memory serves me correct wasn’t he Alex’s best man?
Andrew
No. AS best man was Shaun Hill.
Some Niner fans hate AS a lot because AS did not act like JM when SY was waiting in the wings.
JM never would have had SY be his best man. No chance. But, the fact that AS seemed to like his main competition at the time (SH) to the point of being best friends really irked those who want heated and hated competition.
@msc
To me it is one of those deals where the guy who was really great at something is rarely an equally great teacher/etc.
Often times people who were the best have a hard time communicating what they want. They often think that others should “just get it” and get easily frustrated if they don’t. Whereas somebody who was never that great does not get so frustrated at their pupil and consequently can communicate better with them.
Just a quick example. Bill Walsh. How great of a player was Bill Walsh? How great of a coach was Bill Walsh? How great of a player was Bart Starr? How great of a coach was Bart Starr?
@DS
Thanks I knew it was some backup.
Sooooo If we DONT sign PM. Where does that leave us with Alex? Would he really want to come back again after a third time of being second fiddle? I would tell the 49ers to kiss my a$$ if they tried to contact me after this. But then again he doesnt have any other winning team to start for. I wonder…..hmmmm
MD, if the Titans sign PM, the 9ers can sign the other 36 yr old QB, MH. Stay tuned…
No thank you. Last year I might have said yes. This year I’m putting it out there no to Matt.
Im with water on this one, maybe j23 was right all along. J Johnson???
JJ would make more sense – in line with budget and there wouldn’t be an ego battle.
Does PM if signed = Deon in 94? That over the top player.
Deion is my least favorite 9er ever! bleh!
Couldnt stand him before or after, but I loved him that year
Great question MD. Only time will tell. First order of business is signing him. This offseason has a very 1994 vibe to it.
lol. Hard day at work AES…..I cant help but think of onelame balled up in a corner in the basement weeping uncontrollably clutching his Smith doll telling it….”Your still my coldblooded assassin” lmao! Poor kid
But Im glad they at least kicked the tires if he doesnt sign. I think it comes down to Money, or comfort and Rings….. If he really wants to end his career a winner he has to pick us.Otherwise he will fail. I cant get excited until he signs a deal.I was very disappointed when Warner took us for a ride. Fingers crossed and a pat on the head for Onelame. Poor Poor kid!
I’m loosing it trying to fill the void with arena football DOES NOT WORK!!!
lol NFL Network??? Im watching the same thing. And I hear you.
oneniner says:
March 16, 2012 at 3:15 am
…its obvious Alex has the upper hand in the situation…..if the 49ers think they can do without him, they would have looked for a QB in FA……..even if CK is their choice going forward they would still look for a vet QB in FA……
…bottomline is 49ers know they are not making the playoffs with a new starting QB…..its just common sense……
POST OF THE DAY HA HA HAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA. WHEEEEW! What a Moron. 5 bucks says He’s still balled up in that corner crying.
This news is awesome. Simply because I know onelame ordered a truck load of Crow and its spoiled now. God I feel good. =-)
MD, keep yourself in check, not a done deal YET.
Take it easy. Im just happy that Onelame isnt. In my earlier post I said I think he is going to Denver. I would love to be wrong though.
Yep NFL net.lol
yep and sad. changing channel
WAIT!!! Darth Vader is in the building. WOW! Thats something you dont see in the NFL.
DS:
What questions have you ever asked me that I did not answer ? (answer…non if I saw them.).
I don’t have time right now, but basically whenever I had a question mark in my posts, that was a question for you to answer Tim. I wasn’t trying to hide my questions.
I hope you enjoyed your dinner and your wife/family if you have them at the dinner table.
Can you believe PM is asking for 90M? Same contract? As the last? Where the Colts paid him 20 something m for a year of sideline TV shots and drama? Sorry that’s crazy. No to 20-30m guaranteed for two years.
Sorry he wants 20-30m each year the first two years all front loaded he knows how long he has.
@waterman
I heard that as well. Of course I also heard PM does not care about money. So, maybe he plays for the vet minimum if he plays here. And we can still make a play for Wallace.
Look. Players always say “It’s not the money.” But in over 80% of the cases, the player goes to where the most money was offered. In both cases, Denver and the Titans can offer more than the Niners.
SUPERBOWLS ARE PRICELESS!!!!!
Hey I like PM I don’t like the Patriots. Kinda goes together. I just don’t know. Oder QB. Farve or Warner who knows.
Yeah MD, and in all of those elite years, PM *only* has one. Now he is 36 with a bad nerve in his neck. Not in his prime by any standards, but hey kick the tires right?
Hof…… Manning never had a team like this one. Whats the matter? You dont trust Harbaugh and Baalke’ decision making? If they think he’s good to go, why question that?
Every comment from Hof has been negative. He’s Alex first 49ers second. He says trust Harbaugh but he’s been negative all day….
@Bay
I strongly disagree. I feel Hofer is a 49er fan through and through even though we disagree about Smith. I think Smith is an albatross, Hofer thinks Smith has potential; we’re miles apart but we’re both 49ers fans.
There is a lot of risk in signing Manning. It’s a risk I’m willing to take but I can also see why other 49ers’ fans would not want to risk upsetting a 14-4 team.
Heat:
Obviously you dont keep up with the teams FO. Jed has stated over and over that he does not make these decisions and neither does his Father(not even his Mother,who owns the team and has all the $.). The only time I remember the ownership stepping in was for PR purposes whe the dog killer was available and the Yorks said NO !Other yhan that Jed said over and over again that he or his parents stay out of personnel decisions and just sign the checks their football experts put in front of them. They lay down perameters of what the budget is and then let their football people fit what they want into that budget. Obviously TB and Paarag and Jh have gone after apM under that budget because they think there is enough room
LOL. PMurth doesn’t have a pencil sharp enough!
Tim obviously you don’t comprehend simple english. Even if the entire organization believes Manning is the guy, the one guy who might have to shell out 90 million dollars/probably 40-50 million guaranteed, you dont think he is gonna have final say? If you had to sign over a cheque for 50 million, your telling me your not gonna ask questions and have final say?
Dont be ridiculous Tim, the owner always has final say.
Add a new member to DS’ hate list.
#1. M.Crabtree
#2. Anyone who critiques Alex.
#3. Payton (the “Alexcutioner”) Manning.
#4. For good measure you have my permission to add me to your list (lol).
AES, you and the others feed the fire. Look in the mirror.
Whatever goes around comes around, Hofe. We’ve all taken and given a few shots on this blog.
Not helping anybody or anything right there AES.
My hate list includes 23J, Bay, 49ergirl, BigP, Pork and a few more.
And it has nothing to do with football.
I thought we had respect for one anther? Or am I wrong?
@AES
I have taken more than my fair share of shots. A lot more than people who actually hate and want the team to lose have.
“to the last I grapple with thee; from hell’s heart I stab at thee; for hate’s sake I spit my last breath at thee.”
@msc
Yes.
Khan was great. Ricardo Montalban was buff. When he picked up Chekov, that was no trick. His arm was not even shaking.
Best death scene ever.
I was actually thinking Captain Ahab. I had forgotten about Khan using that quote.
@msc
Khan is way cooler, smarter, stronger and loyal to his followers and his wife than Captain Ahab. Other than trying to rule the world and taking over the Enterprise and trying to kill Kirk, and killing Spock, he was a pretty decent guy.
Quite a few “others” there, I’ll admit.
“Alexecutioner”
That made me chuckle. Good one.
Grant – have you ever considered having a poll question on the blog occasionally?
I’m curious what percentage of the bloggers would actually prefer Alex Smith over Peyton Manning?
Crab, no need. 99.9% PM with one going the other way. But again, they would be voting for the Indy PM. Who knows what he will be now after 4 surgeries and a year off. No absolutes.
If the Niners picked up Manning then i believe he would fully utilize Crab, Moss, Williams, Davis, Walker and then they use their first pick and maybe trade up and draft Hill. That is plenty of offensive weapons for Manning to work with. I’m not hating on Alex, I’m just stating the fact that Peyton is better than Alex is, and he would bring out the best of all our players. Alex is good but he doesn’t fully utilize the offense a QB like Manning, Brady, Brees, Rodgers do. (This statement is based off the the fact Manning is healthy enough to play.)
Didnt mean to post this here. Reposted on bottom
What would you have paid to get PM in trade from the Colts before his injury?And if he comes here there are no draft picks to give up !!! And besides its not our money and if Paarag can fit it under the cap then no problem.
Smart move to head off this poll Hofe!
AES, if there were a poll asking which team wins the PM sweepstakes, I’d be the realistic one voting for Denv.
John Fox or Jim Harbaugh?
JFox is a player coach and well liked. Plus he doesn’t interfere with the offense.
That wasn’t Crab15′ question Hofe. Read it again. OABTW, and it’s a good thing this poll won’t reach the 49er players (lol).
Manning to Moss. TD. PM to Davis. TD. Crabs over the middle boom breaks a 15 yard catch into a 55 yard TD. Sounds good right?
Waterman – Sounds good bro!
If the Niners picked up Manning then i believe he would fully utilize Crab, Moss, Williams, Davis, Walker and then they use their first pick and maybe trade up and draft Hill. That is plenty of offensive weapons for Manning to work with. I’m not hating on Alex, I’m just stating the fact that Peyton is better than Alex is, and he would bring out the best of all our players. Alex is good but he doesn’t fully utilize the offense a QB like Manning, Brady, Brees, Rodgers do. (This statement is based off the the fact Manning is healthy enough to play.)
Again my 49er intincts were spot on. I knew Mr. Baalke/Harbaugh were up to something good. Mr. Manning will don the scarlett and gold of champions and live up to the standard set forth by General Joe. Let us prey and give thanks to the football gods. Can I get an amen brothers and sisters?
Heat
Obviously you have some sort of desire to argue,since you dont want to understand the facts I have conveyed to you to enlighten you.Jed said the Family will not make football decisions.The Yorks make a budget and tell their football people to stay in the budget and do what you want.. If uou dont believe the words from the horses mouth then that is your perogative. I understand your point of view and simply believe you are mistaken . You can now agree to disagree with me and Jed though.
“Per league sources, Peyton Manning has informed clubs that he plans on making decision on his future on Monday or Tuesday,” according to Albert Breer’s twitter.
Interesting. Watch the airports and see if PM shows up at 4949. I think not, but we can wish!
AAAARRRRRGGG good night blog. See you all tomorrow when we will find out Alex Smith signed with the seachickens. JK
This needs to be a one hour special on ESPN.
1) I’m taking my talents to the backwoods
2) I’m taking my talents to North Beach
3) I’m taking my talents to the Mile High Club
If Harbaugh wants Manning I say we do it. The man knows quarterbacks. I trust his judgment.
Got that right. If we had to trust his master plan with Smith. Better trust his decision with a Legend.
Could this be Jim H’s way of kinda in your face to the Colts if he can win with PM? After he was dumped in favor of PM? Ha ha how many ways can we twist this.
If he signs with the 49ers it will be for less than the 5 @ 90 Denver is offering. SF can offer more than $ they offer a winner. If PM really wants to win, there is no other team to go to…if he just wants $, then he will sign elsewhere. My guess is 3 @ 50, with a mutual 2 year extention worth another 40 that will never be extended. That way he can say he got 5 @ 90 to save face.
Usually true but not the case when pw went out, Grant filled in without missing a beat. Niners d is deep..
9999. Can you see where it says desktop at the bottom of your screen? Hit that then you can reply on a comment. Im fishing for who your replying to. lol
He’s got all kinds of money. He needs at least one more ring and the 49ers are the one team that gives him the best odds of attaining that need.
Yep….Vince Lombardi couldn’t have said it better…
What’s the theory on this whole thing being so hush? Obviously there’s a reason right
@Hofer I hate to be sacrilegious but I have switched to Scotch for the night.
Luguvalin, 16 year cask. It tastes like I am suckling at the teat of a Scottish goddess.
Lmao, how long have you been suckling big dog? You sound pretty greased. Enjoy the scotch man, that comment had me rolling!
Hey now, I’m only half-way through the bottle! I’m not greased yet.
Good times brotha. Enjoy.
DS94everXev says:
March 16, 2012 at 8:23 pm
“Not helping anybody or anything right there AES.
My hate list includes 23J, Bay, 49ergirl, BigP, Pork and a few more.
And it has nothing to do with football.
I thought we had respect for one anther? Or am I wrong?”
Sorry DS, I couldn’t resist. Didn’t mean anything bad.
As far as respecting each other I’ll echo the words of the great Ronald Reagan: “Trust, but Verify.”
Ok AES
Just don’t write a post like that again.
It was a hater type post. Not one who is reasonable.
P.S. Pick a different politician. Not a big fan of Reagan. As CA governor, he released a lot of mental patients to try to save money. Saying they could take care of themselves. They couldn’t.
CA has had a huge homeless problem since and won’t ever solve it because of that decision.
Besides he had the initial symptoms of Alzheimer’s I believe as president. He really didn’t know what was going on at times. And his cabinet and lobbyists were running the show.
Oh DS……You just watch what you say about our last great president. He’s the Joe Montana of Presidents for Gods sake. Reagan was Awesome, brilliant, and a TRUE American.
When he remembered who/where he was, he may have been. Thought I disagree extremely.
It is all true md. The people behind the scenes were directing things a lot more than they would have if the president did not have Alzheimer’s. If you need me to, I am sure I can find reliable sources for you to look at proving my statements.
Dude, now you’ve gone and done it. Ronnie “Bomb ‘em” Reagen was our last true Great President. If only we had one right focking now we might have a chance to a Live After Death like after Carter. I gotta say Ronnie is my second favorite president after Mr. Lincoln.
Have we all read Bill Walsh’ book? I’m sure we have.
When Walsh was irritated with Lowell Cohn about something Lowell had written he would change the subject instead of butting heads. Walsh would talk about boxing with Cohn – something both men were enthusiastic about.
It applies here as well. Some folks are certain that Alex will be a great QB (DS). Some folks are equally certain that Alex has been a chain around the 49ers’ necks (me). The debate is fun to a point but when it gets personal it’s time to change the subject to something both parties agree upon.
Such as, Justin Smith is a football god.
Or, when I’m talking to Hofer, wine.
Find something you have in common and you’ll find that your differences can be debated in a civil manner. Except for ASmithisABeast. He can die in a fire.
Thus concludes Clem’s Dr. Phil segment.
@msc
“Justin Smith is a football god”
I know. He is my favorite player on the team bar none.
That near sack against the Saints was unbelievable.
“I will kill your guard and your QB at the same time”
It’s just that nobody every cares to talk about him (Justin Smtih).
That’s because there is no debate about Justin. He is beyond a shadow of a doubt a fantastic D lineman. Perhaps the best 3-4 DE in the league.
Other positions have debatable players – WR, RB , QB – so that’s where the discussion will be. Remembering the common ground keeps the debate civil.
@msc
You can’t keep debates civil when people call others by different names msc. If you have scanned thru any of 23J’s posts directed at me, you’ll know what I am talking about. If that is how you begin a debate, guess how it will turn out? That is where I would like to see Grant step in more. Does no good stepping in when the posts get really bad. The bloggers involved still carry the resentment from interacting with the other even after the posts are deleted.
And what does that say about us fans? We would prefer to fight one another (AS focus) rather than discuss things that we could all share and agree on (JS focus), and then have that lead into something more thought provoking, debatable (the kind you find in a college not the kind you hear about as a cause for a shooting on the evening news which many debates here resemble more so than the college debate atmosphere).
When we have the AS thing lead into something more….well you know what happens.
@DS I’ve been called a hater, a moron and a “fantasy football nerd”. I’ve had my sexually identity questioned as well as my preference for gerbils.
I ignore it and move on to topics that I’m interested in. Clinging to insults on the internet is fruitless.
Be yourself. The people who matter won’t mind and the people who mind don’t matter.
Exactly. Don’t worry what Jordan says, DS. Do you.
@Grant
No. I don’t remotely care for 23j at all.
But his comments do nothing for you Grant. I wouldn’t let 23J get away with the things he says if I was in control of the blog. He comes on here and just starts throwing insults at people. How does that make for a pleasant experience? And if you want a nice blog Grant, you can’t have people making it a bad experience for others.
All, I’m saying is that there is no reason why he should just come on and do what he likes.
Its starting to look like the lockout season WAS the only reason Smith came back. After the mastermind that is Harbaugh sweet talked a little confidence into Smith he is now looking elsewhere. This is the 3rd time they have tried to get a new QB. So to all of you that said Smith was Harbughs guy. Do you still feel that way. Smith was a short offseason Bandaid. Truth is coming to light. If he was everything Harbaugh said he was or was going to be it doesnt look like that now. So why dont we trust our coach and his genius mind to see the grand scheme of things?, except that Smith isnt in it and get ready for a Superbowl win IF he signs. IN HARBAUGH WE TRUST!!!!! REMEMBER???
DSL likes to throw around the word “retarded”
Nuff said.
If it was used to describe you, it would be mean. But not inaccurate.
No, little guy, you directed it earlier at another one of the scores of people on this blog who cringe when you open your stinky, vile, moronic trap. Keep that word out of your mouth and keep pork out of your mouth, ya dig? You are an unabashed fool. Your opinions have no basis in reality. You keep bringing me up in your posts to people. It’s obvious you suffer from OCD, but this is not the place to cheat on your treatment plan. Take some meds or else get yourself back into the asylum Reagan ejected you from.
@pork
No. I did not. Do a word search. I didn’t direct the word at anybody at all. I was referring to people caring about cred is retarded. Maybe you should actually read the post.
But, I know. I get it. You don’t know what “mentor” means. You complain all the time about other people using the wrong word, spelling, but your own English comprehension is weak.
If you were a decent person, you would apologize for your misinterpretation of what I wrote. But, you are not. So, I don’t expect it.
By the way, you have used the word “retarded” 3 times on this blog. I only used it once until my quote of the word in this post. Counting is another issue you have difficulty with.
WHAT????? Thats not cool!
@Grant
You’re the one who got to watch Kaepernick, what do YOU think? Many other reporters stated unequivocally that Kaep’s ball was scary powerful! His mobility size strength and speed are superior to every prospect on the board, so what gives? Harbaugh chose HIM, & he’s been with the guru now for a full season… your take?
The “Take” is the kid could use another year under what some have referred to as an “all time great” QB. Take him mentally and technically where Alex could not. I believe out of the 3 Teams that are left as reported by sources deeply embedded within the Manning camp, Titans/Broncos/49ers, that Mr. Manning will choose the 49ers and it will be announced via press conference Monday afternoon.
Don’t be surprised if the presser has some “guests”. Such as Joe Montana, Jerry Rice and Ronnie Lott.
Yep….Exactly Gandhi couldn’t have said it better…
I might agree with your position regarding the release of many mental patients, but we are at extreme opposites (not surprised) regarding the homeless issue.
The homeless issue is a national problem not relegated to CA. only. Washington bureaucrats (Dem & Rep) didn’t help by pushing and passing NAFTA as well.
Reagan: Last Great President, period!
AES – Reagan was a mans man! Agree, last great Prez.
You both are nuts. Reagan was a clueless fool. And the mental/homeless problem was all his, first in Cali, then across the rest of the states… Clinton was a man’s man!
“A rising tide lifts all boats”
And those poor bastards without boats drown.
And a woman’s as well…
@AES
I was talking about CA’s homeless problem, not the nations.
And, by they way, many states also followed suit. One of the things that gets cut in states budget are mental health institutions. So, I suspect many states released people to “save” money at one point or another. Only to have those same people show up in the homeless shelters, commit violent crimes and be sent to prison costing the states a lot more money than they originally cost in the mental hospitals to begin with. Where they then received treatment for their mental issues in prison. So, you figure it out. Was it worth “saving” money or would it have been better off for everybody (police, communities, the patients themselves, their victims, schools, etc) to just have kept them where medical science said they should be?
Clinton was a man’s man”
Hillary does have that “my balls need adjustment ” walk.
Three’s a crowd lol…
http://espn.go.com/nfl/
Anybody else see a headline saying the 49ers are out of the Manning sweepstakes? On Espn
Nope. It only says that about the Dolphins.
My Boy is either blind or he’s Fu***ng with me. He’s a Vikings fan and that = Hater
Your boy is DS? : /
No MD, where did you see this?
I was looking at Adam Shafter’ breaking news this morning about the 49ers entering the PM sweepstakes.
The one thing he said regarding PM possibly staying in the AFC made sense. Shafter said that PM is familiar with all AFC defenses and would be more comfortable staying there. If that is the case, then Denver would likely be Payton’ Place. I still have a sense that Payton is not sold on the Mile High weather from Nov – Dec.
Indianapolis is no Miami either AES
Nope.
Guarantee you Harbaugh won’t have to pound Payton’s shoulder pads before every game lol.
Hofer, I have to chuckle at least a little bit. Two weeks ago you said Payton couldn’t and wouldn’t even be able to throw and that Alex was the guy and the “long term Qb” for the 49ers hehehehe. And Pat Devlin is a 4th round pick and CK doesn’t fit the west coast system….
(lol) Bay. Payton would pound him right back!
A HOF QB does not need to be motivated by a 2nd year coach, and Harbuagh would be the first to say this.
Cowboys all around the world are sh!tting themselves that the 49ers will begin the separation process and return to the Golden Greatness and rightful possession of the 6th Lombardi trophy and on to its Second NFL Football DYNASTY!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
DS – What’s going on with you? We talked a while back and I thought you were going to try and not be so argumentative and overly sensitive.
You really need to take a break from this blog. Simply step away for a few days and regroup. I know you are a true Niner fan and enjoy this blog but you really need a blog vacation.
He can’t Crab. He is the great master debater.
She can’t handle the fact that Harbaugh’s words regarding A. Smith might have been an elaborate ruse.
BigP – What’s up bro? You think Manning will do the right thing?
@BigP
Stalker
Crab,
I think Manning ends up a 49er either way. I was surprised as anybody by this news, but something seemed off with the delay in Smith’s signing. Kind of a weird situation, especially when you kind of connect the dots from the last week or so.
BigP is always stalking me. He needs comfort. Even from those who dislike him.
DS,
You are a weird chick that tries to act like a man. Nobody is stalking you, please holster your fantasies for the good of the blog.
Stalkers keep coming when the person has made it very clear that they don’t want to interact with them. That is you BigP.
And, you really suck at guessing things. I hope you don’t work in any jobs as a financial consultant guessing on futures of particular items.
You don’t want to be called a stalker, then stop stalking me. Ignore me.
Stop commenting, stop responding. You were victimized at some point in your life so you keep playing that card. You are still hurt. Get over it! You are a truly sick individual that needs help. That’s not an insult, that’s the truth. You have made references to my genitals, my wife and my children on multiple occasions. Why? Because you wish you had all three. You are a very empty person who spends your entire day glued to your computer and medicating yourself because you have nothing else. If you weren’t such a creep, I would feel sorry for you.
Stop stalking me BigP
Wow Duke lost to Lehigh! Dickie V. must be pullin his hair out. What a choke job!
I am currently wiping my arse with my bracket.
Ok lets see the argument is Alex Smith…he is coming on after 8yrs or Peyton Manning…WHO THE HELL IS PEYTON MANNING…are you kidding me! IT’S GOT TO BE A.SMITH!! The guy has done almost everything and continues to do so! While Manning has done just enough to be a first ballot HOFer…I go with A.Smith it seems like the Democratic way of doing things. 99%..errrr…or something….
Tree – Classic post! Hilarious!
I am just reverse scrolling on posts…this should be fun….It actually should be a drinking game…OOOOOH>>>OOOOOOH – Sam Kinison
So Peyton what if we give you a better O line a better than last year D and lots of offensive weapons and go win 3 rings in a row?…and you take 8 mill a year…plus you know…”incentives” we will buy your house…your cars…child care…..you know…..pay your California taxes
Got all excited today. Was told the Niners were going after Manning.
“Eli?”
No, his older brother.
Oh.
Nice one. Made me laugh.
Well DS, I believe we’ve had a few presidents since Reagan. They have all certainly had their chance to make changes. Haven’t seen too many. BTW, my family and I were homeless during the 70′ oil embargo for a little bit, I guess I can blame that on Reagan ad well, right?
Hey that’s make last take on politics, I’ll go back to football.
Solving a problem is a lot harder than preventing a problem. Reagan could have prevented the release. He choose not to.
Haven’t you heard the old saying?
An ounce of prevention is worth a pound of a cure?
Its not my problem Bums dont want to work. This country gives plenty of opportunitys to get ahead in life. And Reagan created tons of opportunitys for jobs. America has become lazy and with a socialist throwing money around and enabling these lazy bums, why would they work. I came up with nothing into gangs and could be dead or in prison right now. I wised up and made a good life for myself now. So I dont want to hear about the struggle. Ive lived it. I dont owe anybody $hit. Its not my problem. Send these homeless people to Africa or Mexico. Then they would see how well they have it here. Homeless Vets? Different story but not all of them are legit either. I work hard for my money and shouldnt be told I have to pay for unemployment abusers. Thats all Im going to say about my political views. This is a 49er blog. THE END! Dont try. I will not respond.
NOT the end!!!
Crazy people need places to get treatment that are safe for them and for us… so your daughter doesnt get mugged and raped on her way home from school. It’s reality. They’re among us, and after Reagan, amongst the general population more than ever. Bad for them, bad for us. Next one could be you, your kid, or anybody. Crazy. Not defective. Not even, technically crazy, just sick, in need of treatment, yet neglected.
There are two “third rails” on the internet. Politics and religion. Nothing good ever happens when those subjects are discussed on the internet.
I think you can add a third.
If your time here has taught you anything, football (or AS) certainly qualifies as another rail msc.
Reagan brought the United States back to greatest and respect as the world champions just as Baalke/Harbaugh will do with the 49ers.
“5. I thought Simms and Nantz were fine. I like them. But Manning’s pass was so horrendous at such a huge moment that NOT calling him out for it just seemed strange. He had a chance to be immortal if the Colts won that game; instead, troublemakers like me get to make Manning Face jokes and point out that Manning lost seven career playoff games that were up for grabs in the fourth quarter. In fact:
Montana, playoffs: 16-7
Brady, playoffs: 14-4
Elway, playoffs: 14-8
Favre, playoffs: 13-11
Warner, playoffs: 9-4
Manning, playoffs: 9-9
Roethlisberger, playoffs: 8-2″
- Simmons
The fact that Montana is on top of that list makes me happy.
Elway being 3rd reminds me of Montana wiping the floor with Horseface* in the super bowl.
*Elway is the male version of Sarah Jessica Parker
Give me Montana, Warner, & Eli … in that order
One vital statistic of the mighty General Joe Montana. ZERO INTS in the 4 Super Bowl Victories. That stat alone separates him from every other in Super Bowls.
While everyone seems to think that Manning will come to the 49ers because of our defense, I have one small worry about that defense.
“Such as, Justin Smith is a football god.”
I agree. He truly makes everybody on the defense better. If Justin Smith should go down, I wonder how we could replace him if we are in a tight cap situation for the next four of five years. In fact, can Justin Smith play at his amazingly intense lever for the next four or five years given his current age.
If we get Manning, we better also get record breaking draft classes every one of those four or five years. That’s two to three with Manning, and two to three without Manning — if he stays healthy.
Even if we don’t get Manning, I worry about not having anyone to take Justin Smith’s place. He is a true MVP.