I’m waiting to hear from the Niners about media availability this week, but as a prelude to that here’s something for you to think about.
We don’t know if the offense will be better this year, but let’s assume it is indeed better. How will it be better?
Here are five ways.
1. The Niners got fast receivers who can beat single coverage – Randy Moss and Mario Manningham. At the end of last season if a team double covered Vernon Davis it shut down the Niners pass game. Michael Crabtree, the split end, couldn’t consistently beat the press coverage, so most defenses could shut him down with just one defensive back. Most defenses can’t shut down Moss or Manningham with just one DB. The Giants won the Super Bowl largely because the Patriots left Manningham single covered in the fourth quarter and he burned them. The Niners offense can only benefit from having a proven playmaker like Manningham. If Moss can stay healthy, he should have a similar impact for the offense.
2. They have a running back who can catch passes – LaMichael James. Last season Frank Gore caught 17 passes and Kendall Hunter caught 16, and both dropped their fair share. Alex Smith, a man who’s partial to the checkdown, could not check down. Now, he can. On third and seven he can throw the swing pass to James in the flat – not a bad option.
3. They have a big running back – Brandon Jacobs. The Niners should finally be able to run the ball into the end zone from the goal line. Even though Jacobs tends to go down on first contact, he’s still a humungous guy (265 lbs.) who’s scored 16 TDs the last two seasons.
4. They have better quarterbacks – notably, Josh Johnson. He gives the offense a spirited three-way competition for the backup job between him, Colin Kaepernick and Scott Tolzien. Last season, Kaepernick and Tolzien, a couple of rookies, probably weren’t ready to win games late in the season if Alex Smith got hurt. Now, the Niners have better insurance at the most important position.
5. The starting quarterback should improve – Alex Smith. We’ve heard he’s cleaned up his throwing motion and his footwork by training with Tom House, the QB Guru who first helped Drew Brees. We expect Smith to improve this offseason because of this, and because he’s got another year to master Greg Roman’s offense. In the best of all worlds, he will hit the medium and long passes and convert third downs. Can he? That’s the question. If he can’t, it’s the next guy up, as they say.
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Grant
Regarding Point 5:
http://blog.sfgate.com/49ers/2012/05/13/pitching-coach-house-helps-49ers-alex-smith-rearm/
Several quotes from the article
“He (AS) did really well,” said House, a volunteer pitching coach at USC. “If he was a pitcher, which is my expertise, I would have given him an ‘A’ for not only his attention, but his capacity to learn.”
“The purpose of Smith’s visit was to clean up his throwing mechanics and improve the strength of his right shoulder. Smith had surgeries on his throwing shoulder in 2007 and ’08, and House said the procedures and Smith’s flawed mechanics were related.
Smith had subtly altered his motion after his surgeries, most notably shifting his head to the left as he threw. Smith was using his head as a type of lever to compensate for a lack of strength in his throwing shoulder. House said Smith had manipulated his motion in an effort to find a proper release point.”
DS-Claude,
Good job of cutting and pasting
Weren’t you one of those who said they got tired of the atmosphere the past couple of days?
Why did you write that Nick?
@NickRow:
Why did you address your comment to me?
He has resorted to that pathetic deal again. That is why.
@DS:
I am sure I will regret asking this, but what “pathetic deal”?
That we are the same person.
By the way, there are a lot more of “you” as well. I usually just ignore these stupid comments, but since Nick had written how bad the blog had gotten earlier, I want to know why he goes back to “poor taste” posts to others if he was really tiring of it.
I am sure what he really meant, was “it is ok free game to knock on those who quote, but not me.”
@DS:
Thanks for the explanation.
Nick’s not very bright, is he?
Claude
I won’t say that. But, I will say that he does cry an awful lot about how long my posts can be. Then when I ask him to edit it, while keeping my examples and points, he has never followed thru. So, take that how you might. Either he can’t edit it because he can’t come up with a shorter way of saying it, or he just wants to pick a fight.
And, have you ever seen a post of his where it looks like it was not tweeted? Nothing of any detail or thought from him. The only long posts I can recall from him are ones, where, guess what? He copied/pasted. Nothing of any real depth in his own words.
Claude, DS, He doesn’t believe you two are the same. Any time a small mind runs across multiple examples of logic that goes against his grain, he has to try to minimize it. Saying it comes from one person is just a way of doing it. It’s a typical and ancient internet posting tactic.
@ribico
I used to think that. But when Grant confirmed in a post that I am my own person and not a double poster, and Nick keeps at it…I can’t reason that one out. Especially since earlier today, claude and I disagreed on a matter.
@DS:
Especially since earlier today, claude and I disagreed on a matter.
That was just a tactic that you/I/we used to try to fool NickRow. It shows how far you/I/we will go to maintain the deception. Unfortunately for you/me/us, NickRow is too clever to fall for such a ploy.
@other me
I/we forgot the multiple times where one of us posts one after/while the other is still typing. Thankfully we can multi-task.
Even though experiments have shown people are not as good as they think they are at multi-tasking. (We really suck in fact).
Wow, I must have struck a nerve. First of all, Ribico always comes out of the woodwork in defense of a Smither. Secondly, he mentioned the phrase ‘small mind’ which aptly applies to DS and Claude. The reason I lumped you too together is that Claude is known for his ‘cutting and pasting’ ways. DS was channelling his/her/whater inner Claude by doing the same. It was actually a complement to him/her/it, as we don’t have to read her super long mostly meaningless drivels. Just cut and paste somebody else. Way to go.
Sooooo….you were basically arguing with youself? lol
@montana
I waited till the end to let the truth come out.
Nickrow is…..me
He’ll always revert back to the same guy we’ve know for 7 years on gameday. The new footwork will allow him to roll left faster and still throw it into the dirt. Ho see the footwork guru after 7 years. What happened after year 1? Maybe Smith is ready to pitch for the Colorado Rockies next year!
Yawn….Did you say anything new???
Textree,
NO, just adressing the teams weakest link. Thanks for asking.
23jordan says:
September 20, 2011 at 8:55 am
I’ll stop posting here altogether if Alex Smith Is a 49er next year. Write that down and locknot in. He may get benched before the season is over. He will NOT be back here next year.
Welcher.
@claude
If it were but only a few select posters, I would tell you to start laying off of it.
But, that isn’t the case.
Keep it up my friend.
@DS:
Hey, if 23welcher is going to keep posting the same nonsense, I don’t see why I can’t keep posting the same response to that nonsense.
I find it interesting that you and the other people who have been consistently wrong about everything QB, and virtually everything roster-related, still actually post.
Have you no sense of shame? I’d move Greenland and change my name to Eric Glodsson or some such if I had one-tenth the total stupidity on the Internet as you or Tim or a few others…
Haha – offseason battles!
People don’t seem to realize or point out that Lamicheal James is a legitimate goal line threat, sure Jacobs is your typical goal-line bruiser, but dont let lamicheals stature fool you, the dude is real smooth through tight spaces and defenses often lose sight of him behind the line
James is going to be a TD Maker from anywhere on the field so Good Point Willy.
Jacobs is soft and has one of the worst inside-the-ten TD to carry ratios in the NFL (and sadly tied with Gore). This ‘powerback’ thing worked in the 1950s. When Jim Brown was 235lbs and a DT was 250lbs. Now a powerback is 245lbs and a linebacker is 255lbs with DTs pushing 320+… And it’s not just Jacobs. It’s all the ‘big back’ ‘power-back’ guys. They all underpeform.
Which makes sense. If you’re not a full LOS threat, they can just pinch down and clog the lanes. It becomes a matter of numbers and with the QB handing off and the back carrying, they’re already +2 advantage defense.
To function in the redzone, in the modern NFL, you need speed. You need to be an entire-line-of-scrimmage threat with pass catching ability.
Better to have a Darren Sproles than a Gore or Jacobs back there. Defenses just can’t pinch down. Linebackers just can’t sell-0ut to the inside run or abandon play-action threats. And, boom, your offense works because there is too much for the defenders to defend to instead of too little to defend.
“Most defenses can’t shut down Moss or Manningham with just one DB. The Giants won the Super Bowl largely because the Patriots left Manningham single covered in the fourth quarter and he burned them.”
I knew that about Moss, but Manningham? I am not so sure that the Giants would have let him go if that were true. The Niners didn’t give Manningham anywhere near top WR money to say the least, so you have to think that the Giants didn’t offer much more, if any.
Also, the Pats D sucks. Big time. You could get open Grant. Manningham will find that the NFC West has a lot tougher defenses than the Pats put up.
Don’t get me wrong. I hope that you are right about Manningham. And I am in complete agreement with you about how easy it was to shut down the Niners passsing attack last year (take out VD, and AS has no real threat).
Regarding Point (2), I thought I heard that James didn’t catch that many passes out of the backfield, and that he will need to learn how to do that. Maybe my memory is playing tricks on me, but I thought I heard that about him. Of course, it was from another “expert” which is of course not “expert” if it wasn’t in the field of sports. So, I may have heard it properly, but the guy has no idea what he was talking about.
Regarding Point 3, I think this is a safe pickup. If he stinks, so what? If he makes an impact, we have a weapon we didn’t have before. And before we nearly made the Super Bowl.
Regarding Point 4, we will be in fine shape if AS needs to rest some towards the end of the season after we have subdued the whole NFL into submission. Don’t need to risk losing our starting QB to a bunch of wanna-be teams.
Drivel much?
To me
We need some long posts to balance out the short twitter size ones. Plus, I addressed everything Grant discussed. Twitter can’t handle all those points. I know.
another filler article…
It is an improvement is it not?
@matt 11111
No.
This is all football. No insulting of anybody. Unless of course you want to ruin this blog as well.
Please man! Give Grant the credit today for coming to work and not continuing on about… well, you know.
You give gold stars to kids who excel, not to kids to didnt suck today…
And funny how he mentions the big offseason additions like Moss, Manningham, and LMJ but leaves a certain individual out. Oh I forgot… he’s already been declared a bust.
@5280high
Who?
From Grant’s post:
“Michael Crabtree, the split end, couldn’t consistently beat the press coverage, so most defenses could shut him down with just one defensive back.”
Hint: Drafted in the first round of the 2012 draft and led to one of the watershed moments that contributed to the downfall of this blog. If he’s gonna bag on Crabtree and state that Manningham can’t be covered by one CB he might as throw in the faster, smarter, rookie version of MM with better hands. But that would mean calling back into question his 1st round tirade.
@5280high
Splitting hairs.
Grant has talked about him. And I just dismiss the whole idea of Jenkins being a bust thing. That was ridiculous to say the least. But, there is one former DC here who sure took to defending that blog. You can’t have a bust without him ever taking the field (- some freaky event).
I never said Jenkins was a bust – that would be silly. I just don’t think he was a good first round draft pick. We’ll see.
You’re right, the term ‘bust’ was not used. Saying the niners blew it and giving them an F, before the kid has played a down in the NFL, is completely different.
I agree, it would have been very silly to call him a bust that early… kind of like making up fictitious quotes from Niners management to convey an opinion, at the expense and comdemnation of another player.
DS,
I never said Jenkins was a bust either, just that they could have done better. And as Grant pointed out on Saturday, once he had to go live vs man coverage at the rookie camp he began to struggle just as it shows on all of his games vs good competition while at Illinois.
@5280high:
Would you care to elaborate on this statement?
… kind of like making up fictitious quotes from Niners management to convey an opinion …
Delusional?
We’re getting all kinds today.
I don’t deal with delusions, or homoerotic fanboi-dom like some. For how staunchly some of you defend GC, you’d think you would remember more of his posts…
Just one of many examples…
“We’re the best team in the NFL even if we’re the worst on third down. We were the best team last year, too. If it weren’t for Kyle Williams fumbles, we’d be champions. Now that we’ve replaced him, the Super Bowl is ours.””
Yeah OK, whatever.
Back to: “kind of like making up fictitious quotes from Niners management to convey an opinion, at the expense and comdemnation of another player.”
You got something to back that up, or…?
@5280high:
That’s it? I don’t think anyone who read that blog entry (the A.J. Jenkins rant) believed for a minute that Grant was actually quoting anyone from the 49ers. Grant did nothing to suggest that he was quoting anyone from the 49ers. In fact, he expressly labeled the “quoted” language as the message the 49ers were sending with their selection of Jenkins.
Your comment insinuated that Grant fabricated quotes to mislead readers. The example you provided demonstrated no such thing. In my opinion, your comment is much more misleading than anything Grant wrote.
Whoa fellas, keep your Cohners in your pants.
“” <— Those are quotes. If the words inside them are not true or ever actually spoken, it's called fiction. If included in a derogatory article about Jenkins while subsequently berating Williams miscues and insinuating he will not have a chance to make the team… well, in Latin thats called being a "Dik." Remember the famous words of Socrates, "Suck a dik once, coqsucker for life."
That sounds more like Freud than Socrates.
I have no idea what you’re talking about. You speak English? Related to Spitblood?
Is 5280high different than 420high? A different choice of intoxicant maybe?
@5280high:
“” <— Those are quotes. If the words inside them are not true or ever actually spoken, it's called fiction.
Those are quotation marks, which have uses in addition to enclosing a direct quotation. Grant used them to define the message that he believed the 49ers were sending with their selection of A.J. Jenkins. I doubt anyone who read Grant’s entry (and was paying attention) believed that anyone in the 49ers organization said the words within the quotation marks.
@Adam…..
Think about it….5280High….5280 ft. in a mile..the guy’s either a Bronco’s fan trying to raqise hackles on this blog, or, a ’9ers fan in Denver…just a guess..
Give the kid a break. Their are a lot of other places to go if you don’t like it here. Yesterday was no so hot but this column was productive.
Grant:
I notice that you gave no reason to believe that the offensive line will be better in 2012. It was below average in both pass protection and run blocking last year. Without improvement from the line, it will be difficult to take advantage of the skill position upgrades.
Good point.
1 Better weapons outside in the WR position. Can’t stack the boxes no more, so fewer bodies in the box.
2. Better play calling.
3. AS another year in a system where he was pretty darn good.
All 3 of your Points will be Contributing Factors as to why the 49er Offense WILL be better.
Agree with DS here. More experience under Miller and Davis’ belts will help the run too. Grant, more observations on the OL and blocking drills would be great.
@Ed
Good point about Miller! I almost forgot about him in with all the new guys around now. I hope Roman does not forget about him, but the defenses do.
Good point indeed but there are ways around this. Like it was displayed in the Steelers game quick passes to the outside and to the slot receivers can kill blitzes, but what you need is Wr’s that can catch and hang on to the wall. And frankly our WR’s last year were not up to par as a unit. MC did ok but did not play near the level he seems capable of, with the competition that is around now though I expect him to make a drastic improvement if he wants to keep a starting spot.
NO because we also want to run the ball down their throats and kill the clock.
@DS: I hope you are correct. I just would prefer confidence to hope.
Wow, I am depressing myself here. I will show myself out.
Claude
Our OL did well when they weren’t up against the whole freaking army of defenders in all but the Ravens game when they just stood there a few times as the Ravens rushed 4 and didn’t bother asking the defenders for a license.
A big reason why our OL sucks for so long is because I can devise a way to stop the Niners offense. Stack the box. If VD and FG stay in, the defenders responsible for covering them (if it were to be a pass) just rush the QB (AS). So, if you have your standard 4 rushers and FG/VD stay in to block, then it will be 6 (maybe 7 if 2 defenders were supposed to cover VD) on 5 advantage numbers to the defense.
No need to be concerned about the WR’s getting into those open windows you vacated. If the WR does catch it, he won’t get very far since they can’t make seperation, and that is assuming they catch it in the first place if the pass is on target. A very safe gamble. No need to worry about anybody on the outside at all. They can’t run by you (MC) and if they can, they can’t locate or catch the ball (Ginn).
So, if the Niners run, you don’t have to do anything. You are already stacking the odds against that working. And, who cares if they pass. If they do, just double VD and your average CB can more than handle the WR’s long enough to give the pass rush time to get there since AS has nobody open.
But if Alex Smith is as lights out against the blitz as you state wouldn’t we want teams to load the box and come after him?
@ Jack NO because we also want to run the ball down their throats and kill the clock.
@ Tuto, they were the 8th best rushing team in the league last year so they obviously were able to run. It was the passing game that stymied this offense last year and helped Akers set a new record for field goals.
If your QB can beat the blitz there won’t be teams packing the box. Smith may have had a high percentage of completions but for the most part they didn’t burn the D to the point where they felt the need to back off.
@Jack:
Yes, the 49ers ran the ball a lot, but I don’t know that they were particularly good at it.
http://www.footballoutsiders.com/stats/ol
@Jack:
Another measurement from FO suggesting that the 49ers’ run game was not a strength last year.
http://www.footballoutsiders.com/stats/teamoff
@Claude
The Niners stank at running the ball. For much of the reasons I brought up about the OL. How often did we run it, and the other team knew we were going to run it, yet we still got what we wanted? As MS said “Impose our will.”
Not often at all. And KH didn’t run the ball that often, and FG was hit and miss a lot last year.
Claude,
Thank you for the links. I think you missed my point which was, if Alex Smith is as good against the blitz as some have tried to portray, shouldn’t we want them to load the box and come after him?
I understand wanting to kill the clock, but use the pass to beat the blitz and then once you have them backed off you pound them into submission with the run. That was the Bill Walsh approach.
@Jack:
Sorry, I posted those links in response to this other point that you made:
… they were the 8th best rushing team in the league last year so they obviously were able to run. It was the passing game that stymied this offense last year …
My opinion is that the offensive line was subpar at both run blocking and pass protection. As a result, the 49ers were not effective running or passing in 2012.
As for Alex Smith’s success/lack thereof against the blitz, I’d prefer to avoid that debate until I have seen some meaningful full-season numbers. That said, I don’t remember him making many, if any, panicky mistakes when blitzed.
Claude,
The o line had its moments, both good and bad. It may be a case of addition by subtraction this year with Rachal and Snyder moving on. This is overall a very young group that will continue to grow together and should benefit more than the skill positions from having the advantage of a full offseason. Their jobs are much more difficult than for the other offensive players.
@claude
Announcers/rating/my own POV are what I am referencing about AS against the blitz. He did take sacks, but not throw the Int. When he threw it, it was often complete. Now that we have some guys who may break tackles/out run defenders, maybe those 3 yard plays turn into 7 yard plays.
@Jack:
This is overall a very young group that will continue to grow together and should benefit more than the skill positions from having the advantage of a full offseason.
That’s a good point. I am disappointed that I overlooked it. Thanks for lightening my mood.
We’ll find out if Goodwin and Davis’ problems were in part due to having to cover for Rachal/Snyder at right guard. Goodwin did well in NOLA but definitely struggled last year.
Hopefully Boone/Kilgore know the line adjustments really well because Davis absolutely collapsed when he didn’t have the veteran on his inside shoulder.
@clemons Ya, I think my biggest fear going into this year is a bust tag for Anthony Davis. Not that he’s terrible per se, but we traded up to draft him 11th overall. Iupati, drafted 17th has been a more consistent starter from day 1. This is the magic 3rd season for both guys – let’s hope for the best.
Good post. I specially agree with your last point. While I think that AS did a good job last season he needs to get better if we want to win the SB this year. He seems to be addressing the areas of concern that is the mechanis of his throwing and his footwork. Many will say things that are just not true like that he does not have the arm to make the deep throw but reality says other wise what he needs is to get the mechanics of his throws down pat so that his passes are spot on. He needs to improve and i’m sure he would be the first to say so, because if your not getting better you are getting worse.
The receiving core will be a legitimate core this year not like last. This team needed them and now there here so this on its own makes our team that much better.
I also expect James to have a big impact right away. I suspect that he will be our number two guy by week 6 and by the end of the season he will be our RB of the future.
Is there are a way, they ban you from the niners?
Hey, he dropped the stupidity so how bout you/we stop yours/ours?
Yeah, give Grant some credit here. Back to basics with this article, nothing wrong with that.
I didn’t mean that in a stupid way. Just a simple question.
Simply stupid.
Adam, go to your mother clown.
My God! I never knew. I have a Mother Clown!
Sweet. Thanks for letting me know. Now, if I can just find those balloon animals…
yeah, just find those balloon animals.
K, Z-Roc. Will do.
The key to this offense improving is the play of Alex Smith. They have upgraded every other skill position, and also possibly the o line by moving away from Rachal and Snyder. If Smith does not show improvement it will be a huge disappointment.
Umm… to my knowledge, one of Frank Gore’s strength is his pass catching ability. Even receivers drop balls. I don’t think Gore dropped a whole lot of balls. He is an above average, good-verygood pass catching back IMO… just sayin
That’s a good list. As DS pointed out, I think the 49ers will benefit from the better WRs in a couple of ways – not just in terms of being able to get open and make more plays downfield but also what this means in terms of how defenses play the 49ers. Less stacked boxes, so Gore et al may finally find some more room to run. It may also make it easier on the OL.
The addition of James and Jacobs should also mean Gore can get more spells, keeping our RBs fresher and more potent.
I also think play calling will be an improvement. With an extra year in the offense and better players in skill positions, I’m definitely hoping Harbaugh and Roman are a little more aggressive on offense this year (though I still expect it to be a run-first team).
I fully expect the O to improve due to a full camp and 2nd year in the same system where JH is expanding & perfecting the playbook, not just getting guys used to the terminology & playbook basics. The O line was playing better at the end of the year so that progress should continue. Secondly, we have more weapons, speed & skill on O. JH always wanted balance to keep the D honest. You are spot on with your take there. We now have guys that are a threat to score from anywhere on the field. I expect less grinding it out and more big plays even if they are safe throws or runs. Moss, Jenkins, Crabtree, Manningham, VD, Walker, Gore, Hunter, LMJ, Jacobs…lots of talented fresh bodies that will be a major headache to cover and open the run up. Bringing the safeties up is going to leave someone getting Moss’ed.
@Scooter
I think that we’re going to be a balanced attack….if the defense gives us the run game, we’ll run…. but I think that we’re all going to see a real uptick in the passing game. Just like the pitcher and the fastball…”.I’m going to throw it until you show me you can hit it” “We’re going to throw it until they show us they can stop it”. I see a lot of defenses spread all over the field trying to stop us…but they won’t be able to….
Great article Grant.
Total cut and paste with absolutely no new thinking…
ZZZZZZZZZ…..
Are you seriously not going to address the last two pieces of rubbish you wrote?
Stuff like this is what this blog is about–the Niners. Not some petty, personal grievance you have with one of the players. Neither you nor Davis look good in this, but you took it up another level when you started writing about it here, and not on a personal blog.
GOOD writers acknowledge when they messed up. And you might not want to hear it, but you have.
He was never a good writer in the first place. He might become one day but half of his assumptions are 8 year old style…
I’m not surprised some of players don’t like him. He can learn more professionalism from people like Kawakami and etc. but I’m afraid he gets a bad example from his father and that will get him nowhere. At least he’s better than him, that’s for sure.
He should acknowledge it but for now I’m just glad to move on.
The 9ers O will be better if their Oline is better. it is that simple. gore and hunter did’nt catch too many balls because they had to stay in to help with pass blocking. VD did’nt catch to many balls in the early season because he had to stay in to block.receivers will get open more if they have the time to run their routes. smith or any QB will be better if they get more time. in harbaughs offense its all about run the ball run the ball and run the ball and it wo’nt work untill there is a serious upgrade in the O line play and it is just that simple.
Yes.
@old coach
Nobody is going to get any better if they are outnumbered all the time. Need to even up the odds a bit more. Then we can see if they improve or not.
Right now it is like sending The Ultimate Warrrior vs. Andre The Giant, or you vs. Andre The Giant, and evaluating how well each did from the result. The result is that you both lose. You may suck,and The Ultimate Warrior does not, but if you face insurmountable odds, you will lose.
For this whole period, it has been like facing Andre the Giant for our OL. No way can they win. Even if they are good. Even up those odds some, and things will get better. If not, then the Niners really screwed up drafting their OL.
name says it all
The senior is worse.
#StopOpposingTeamsDefense
and yet, here you are
Funny how that works, Tuna. They must be pretty miserable people to get their thrills by coming here and contributing that crap.
Joy.
it may seem to the untrained eye that football is won by the skill players and no one is saying their not importan but football is won up front i’ve seen truely mediocre QB’s [and i did'nt consider AS truely mediocre last yr] win with outstanding lines.
@old coach
If this was in response to my comment, I am not disagreeing at all about how important the OL is. But if there is no reason to not stay away from the LOS, any OL is in trouble. Every once in awhile they can find a way to open up something, but you can’t bet on that happening play after play.
And can you please tell me what reason beyond VD (who still drops too many balls) why a defense should not stack the box as the norm when playing the Niners? That has nothing to do with the skill of the OL. That has to do with the lack of skill elsewhere.
ds i was responding to grants article it did’nt mention O line play and that should always come first in a discussion of offense
Its really simple. The O-Line could not perform in co-hension when giving exotic looks upfront. There were issues with protection calls and on site adjustments from both Alex and the O-Line. It wasnt even that teams sent more than 4 rushers. Look at the Ravens game again. Alot of the time Pangio sent only 4….but its was figuring out which four and from where is where we struggled. It started very early, in pre-season versus the Saints. The lockout didnt afford as the time to address everything and that was one of those things guys had to pretty much “learn on the fly”. I dont think ppl realize just how truly difficult it is installing a NFL offense and defense with only a month long TC. Honestly, if it wasnt for Camp Alex getting the ball rolling, offensively we would have struggled even more. Its remarkable we did as well as we did, considering the full playbook had not be installed last season. People need to be reminded of these things. Our offense stepped up against teams whose QBs having been running the same offense for years now. Vick, Romo, Brees, Eli….those games would have been blowouts under the previois regime. But we played tough and hung with all those teams, only losing to Romo early and Eli in the NFCCG, which the offense played just well enough to win in regulation if not for one costly KW fumble that led to a MM touchdown catch.
IMHO, it was combination of alot of things. O-Line I would put at 50% of the problem. Just picking up simple stunts seem to be a problem last year. Alex was 25%. Too often he failed to use his eyes and adjust protection or just get the ball out quickly, even if for just a minmal gain. The other 25% was play-calling. Did we need to be in shotgun every 3rd down play longer than 5 yards? Not enough rollouts to move the pocket. We didnt utlize Crabtree in the slot enough to help him out against press coverage. And overall I wasnt impressed with our answer to 3rd and Long. I understand our personel had alot to do with it and not having the playbook fully installed probably hurt creativity, especially in the red-zone so I wont beat a dead horse.
Good comment Bee.
It’s an entire offensive unit thing. Defenses will continue to stack the box until the 49ers prove they can beat opponents through the air when the box is stacked. This comes down to the OL needing to hold up better against the pass rush, receivers being able to get open and make big plays against limited coverage, and the quarterback being able to put the ball on the money under pressure. 49ers haven’t been able to prove to opponents they can beat them through the air for a while, and this needs to change for the offense to improve significantly.
@scooter
Thus we use our #1 pick on a WR, and our 2 biggest FA (non-Niners last year) pickups were WR’s. To speak nothing of the undrafted guys. Potentially 4 new WR’s this year.
Exactly. If the 49ers front office thought the OL was the main issue then they would have gone out of their way to improve it. The OL play needs to improve, but I believe one of the main reasons they didn’t look great last year was to do with the lack of weapons for opposing defenses to worry about.
Scooter,
The OL group is also very young and the group was impacted more than any other by the lockout. With a full offseason of coaching and working together this unit should be much improved in 2012.
I agree Jack. I think the issues with the OL last year weren’t a talent level issue but more inexperience and not enough practice time together leading up to the season. As you point out many of the pieces are young and improving.
6. The offensive line should drastically improve even though RG will be up for competition between Alex Boone, the rookie and Daniel Kilgore. Pretty good competition if you ask me.
Alex will have his dream season. This is our SB year. We should have our sixth ring but for a couple of mistakes. Getting ready to enjoy the ride!
Since when is Mario Manningham a proven commodity that requires multiple defensive backs to cover? He is an above average receiver and absolutely nothing more. This was the consensus when he came out of Michigan and he has proven it to be true, a 3rd round pick with some speed and decent hands, not a burner and not overly physical.
Also, Frank Gore (until this season) caught over 40 passes ever year of his career and led the team in receptions multiple times. The fact that you think L James provides an instant upgrade over Gore in this category is an absolute joke. James was hardly used in the passing game in college.
They brought in James to be the guy who catches the ball out of the back field. Gore is only getting older and his snap count is gonna go down, he’s just not the RB you want in all 3 downs anymore. James and Hunter will both be better than gore at receiving because they are players that are young with the ability to score from wherever they touch the ball. James wasn’t a receiver in college because of the type of offense Oregan ran. Sproles only had 609 total receiving yards in his 4 year college career (only 21 more yards than James in 1 more year) and he’s become one of the best if not the best receiving RB in the NFL.
Nicely written Grant. Every offense position should only get better. With the acquision of Moss, Manningham, Jenkins we should be able to run the ball with a better YPC. Assuming Alex utilizes all of the new weapons we should no longer se 8-9 man boxes and start seeing the more traditional 7 which only opens up the running lanes. Its gonna be a fun year
I agree Adam707
Brilliant. Yes, the swing pass to the flat is definitely going to get us to the next level. I am sure Roman and Harbaugh are salivating at this possibility.
Grant, really? why are my posts not coming up, I just wanted to Thank you for a good article today and for putting effort into this one
You made a homophobic remark, as you did yesterday. That’s unnacceptable. Raise your level of discourse.
About Pretzel yes I did because no matter what he comes to your defense. If it offended you I apologize. I a not trying to be mean or rude Grant, I just want you to do your best so we do not have to criticize you. But I won’t make any homophobe comments anymore ok.
You can’t even take a positive comment and say thank you. It’s ok though Grant, we just want your best from you. Once again I think you for the good article and effort today. I am not going to bash you if you put this kind of effort into your work.
You have raised yours so I will raise mine, Is that a fair assessment?
Sure. Thank you.
Homophobic comments aren’t only offensive to Grant. We should all be above that $h1t. I appreciate your willingness to clean it up, Jon. Good man!
Go Niners!
Not a problem Grant…..your welcome. I do not like to bash you or anyone. I appreciate you replying to me as well. Grear article and keep up the good work.
Thanks a lot, Jon. Have a good day.
We all know your potential and we just want the best from you and our 49ers. I am glad we can be civilized again Grant.
Good post, Grant. The addition of Moss, Manningham, Jenkins & James will definitely add much-needed speed to our offense. So, the defense stacked the box and poor FG was stymied, except for a few long runs which made his stats lo0k somewhat respectable. Ginn is expendable now that we have James & Cox to bolster the return game. I expect Alex Smith to improve considerably now that he apparently corrected his flaws & with the new weapons. Grant, your “squealed like a child” comment on AD was unfortunate, even though it wasn’t meant to be malicious. There are some, altho not the majority, who will ridicule your posts simply because you’re LC’s boy. Personally, I enjoy reading your articles. I may not agree with everything you write but they’re refreshing & few writers have more posts than you because they’re controversial. Aloha.
Grant were you at the workouts today or were they closed to press?
Closed.
Grant I would like to apologize about me being rude the last few articles, do you have any insight on the players we inked from the tryouts position? You have a wonderful day as well.
To the people claiming Filer just be glad you something to read. Im from Erie Pa and been a fan for many years. When news about the 49ers was two days late. I really enjoy reading anything i can about the 49ers Love the Team. Beast Juice on 3
So if they ban you Grant, will your boss keep you or sack you? When obviously you can’t do what your were hired for?
Give it a rest already.
I don’t care but it will be interesting to see. I bet he doesn’t get hired anywhere else.
As I said before, hope you are here for a long time Grant.
Delta, what are you doing on here anyway?
You want to come on here and do what exactly? What’s interesting to see?
You want the guy to get fired or what? You have a job?
How about talking some football.
Hey Grant!
Sorry I haven’t been around much – saying life is crazy right now would not even do my situation justice. Hope to be back more regularly in a month or so.
Just wanted to throw in my two cents of support for you and say that AD is behaving like an immature punk over absolutely nothing…I think your description was pretty darn accurate – he’s still squealing like a little kid with his juvenile Twitter stuff.
Ummm, 49ergirl… we are all trying to get past that, even (I’m betting) Grant.
Don’t encourage future repeats of that type of “journalism”.
Just trying to show my support Rib, not trying to rehash or encourage anything.
49ergirl, its not ok for a 22 year old to get excited on the practice field, whats wrong with that? I am sure you have your momments where you act chilish as well, we all do…so just quit trying to bring anthony davis down because he got excited at practice….Since when has it not ok to be excited like he was? Why bash anthony davis for being excited. So if you get excited about something 49ergirl I will remember to call you childish and bash you as much as you have anthony davis….its ok for you who is probably in there mid to late 20′s if not older to get excited about something but its not ok for a 22 year old player in the NFL, you sound like a hypocrite to me.
Although how would you know it was accurate? Were you there?
Rather what makes you think it was accurate?
No, but he certainly hasn’t stopped acting childish since he read Grant’s description of the scene. That was my point.
He may have disagreed with what Grant wrote, but it is totally wrong to try and ruin the guy’s career over it. They’re both guilty of some immaturity in this situation, but AD has stooped pretty low with his Twitter campaign….it’s apalling.
You’re wrong 49ergirl and you’re dising Anthony one sided and undeserving. First of all, after Grant went out to him to see what’s the deal, he told him this ““It sounded like a squeal to me. And what’s so bad about squealing?” I asked. “Squealing signifies pure joy.” So he tried to be a man with him, when he simply could’ve said “sorry, bad choice of words, didn’t mean to say it” But no, he tried to be a man. I absolutely doubt, he’ll tell him that in a street, when there’s only the two of them. No doubt he was brave, because of the circumstances and his father, whatever protection he can give him, it’s not much anyway and I mean in the paper. Having his back. His father is the same turd like him anyway. And that’s the “bad” and “amateurish” journalism we’re talking about.
Keep going Ninerz and you’ll bury yourself.
MidWestNiner, bury myself where? you confused child.
You ask where and say I’m confused? Ok. I’m not even going to try to comprehend that.
you can’t even if you want.
No. I can, but I can’t take an aspirin every time I read a post that hurts my head.
but by doing it and not taking aspirin, eventually you’ll die. or you can’t understand that too? i’m not surprised.
Get over yourself already and try talking about something positive, like how many times Justin Smith will pummel the opposing QBs this season.
the problem is that grant is not a man enough to engage in a manly, fair dialog, even if it’s a critique one. He’s a clown like his father and sets the light from one side. as previous posters said, he can dish it but can’t take the heat. thin skinned and scared. not surprised. check the pics AD posted on his twitter. he’s right. grant is a clown and not the “etiquette” person he aspires to be. just a wanna be…
Davis needs to flat out move on. Dwelling on it is showing what type of person he really is, an immature baby.
By the way, I SAID TALK ABOUT SOMETHING POSITIVE like, I don’t know, how great it is for the team to actually be relevant again.
Davis is not an immature baby. he defends his side of the story and he’s right to want this amateur wanna be off the niners. thing is, you have to have more sense to present bulky players, playing a vicious sport in a way not embarrassing them to the audience. if i was AD, i’ll want the same thing. why maiocco and the other professionals don’t do it? simple. because they have more senses and brain.
Anthony Davis needs to do the following:
1. Shut the #$@! up about feeling hurt over two stupid and meaningless words
2. Get his @#$ on the field and work on becoming a much better RT. If he’s angry, then channel that anger towards his play.
3. When he has helped his offense demolish every opposing defense that gets in their way, then he needs to rip off his helmet and let out a huge guttural roar and proclaim, ” I’m not squealing like a child, huh Grant Cohn?! I’m crying out like a true CHAMPION!”
you’re not very mature.
“So he tried to be a man with him…”
“the problem is that grant is not a man enough…”
Make up your mind.
Why are you here, anyway? What’s the point?
MWN,
Number 3 is pretty good : )
Thanks Jack.
Ninerz, please don’t even try to talk about maturity. You and that concept don’t mesh at all. I’m done with you idiotic, hate-filled posts. You can’t put anything positive here on this blog anyways, so why should I even bother? I’ll leave you to your hate posts.
yeah, don’t even bother. i wasn’t talking about my maturity you muppet, i was talking about yours. but it’s lost cause trying to explain that to you. just say to yourself, how great of a season we had and move on.
Are you looking in a mirror when you say that Ninerz? Sorry, but this is my last post towards you. I don’t chat with those who spew nothing but negativity and can’t even back it up.
I am sure that if it was said that AD” whooped it up like a kid” that none of this would have happened. I am happy he “whooped it up like a kid”.
Jon…at what point did I ever post that AD shouldn’t squeal and be excited on the field? I think you are reading into something that isn’t actually there.
Grant,
Any chance, you can profile Kilgore during OTA’s? RG seems like the biggest question mark on the team. You’ve said before that the 49ers like him…but I’m sure they “like” every player they pay. You’ve been around him and and unlike the know-it-all-bloggers you’ve seen him practice. Tell us about Kilgore and the other options!
Nice post Grant dont have time to say much till later. Good job!!
http://www.csnbayarea.com/football-san-francisco-niners/niners-talk/Rookie-reaction-after-minicamp-?blockID=707768&feedID=5936
Another reason that the offense will be better is because they will have a more firm grasp of the playbook as opposed to last year when the lockout shortened their time to fully digest all of the schemes in it.
And another reason: The coaches should improve. Haven’t heard or read anyone talking about that, but hey, nobody’s perfect, and I can imagine more creative play calling, a better handle on what each player’s skill set is and what they do best, and all that. Hard to imagine the coaches engendering any more excitement than they did last year, but I think, as Harbaugh’s said, the improvement from the first year to the second will be the most significant. Looks good to me!
Can’t wait.
grant, your time as a pretended journalist is wearing down. Never approach the 49ers
I’ve never heard of a pretended journalist.
countdown already has begun. cant wait.
So you’ve heard of a pretended journalist too?
Probably something in pretended landed, where-ed they-ed originally-ed comed fromed.
Whew… that’s tough! :P
No kidding. :-)
Nice post. Although I thought I read somewhere that James wasn’t a very good pass catcher…. probably on draft day or soon after. Maybe they were strictly talking about coming out of the backfield, so the swing pass could be a great option, but I don’t quite remember.
@adam,
Go outside, run 5280 feet… Congratulations you’ve just run a mile. Now run that distance vertically, and you’re the same elevation as Denver.
The more you know….
You’re a Bronco fan?
You’re definitely high, I’ll give ya that.
still this moron is writing something about Niners. what is the PD doing?
Laughing at comments like yours.
Grant,
Keep doing your thing, I (along with most others) wish you continued success.
Most others moron? The entire thread yesterday was people calling out Grant cause he is terrible? Blinded once again by your small agenda hey little P?
No Prime. There were a good number of supporters too. Now move on already.
HAHAHAHA “good number of supporters” lololol
you think we don’t know how you gathered here, huh?
Excuse me, but I need to take an aspirin for the headache I got from reading your post Han.
Unlike some of you, I don’t sit around with my Grant Cohn voodoo doll and actively wish harm on the guy or his career.
Han,
Your avatar looks like it’s still frozen in carbonite.
Exactly BigP.
“The entire thread yesterday was people calling out Grant…”
Entire thread full of names no one has ever seen before. So what, they just show up to bash? Don’t ever post anything else? Ever?
Sorry Prime, it looks like manufactured outrage to me. Drive by.
Smells.
@adam…..more people read the blog compared to those that comment on it……if you have been here long enough you will know this….
Yeah, so… they wait until they can jump on the reporter before they’re heard from?
Still looks like AD’s manufactured outrage to me. Got a bunch of mindless sycophants to do his dirty work.
Whatever. Who cares? Maybe AD mans up and cleans up his piss-poor thug act in public and then on the field.
The 49ers O-line is one of the worst in the league in pass protection (still in the 20s). Let’s see if they can concentrate on keeping their QB upright.
Adam
Nobody looked good from this. Nobody “showed up” or “put him in place” or anything else.
*put him in his place*
From my observations it was about 60/40 in favor of criticisms. Just sayin.
@DS
Not a Broncos fan…Just live here cause its awesome. I have a T shirt that just says “55-10″ that I wear to the bars and at my friends Sunday BBQs.
Where have I seen this article before? Oh yeah, about 10 different times months ago… Zzzz…
To all you fans especially 49ergirl, its not ok for a 22 year old to get excited on the practice field, whats wrong with that? I am sure you have your momments where you act chilish as well, we all do…so just quit trying to bring anthony davis down because he got excited at practice….Since when has it not ok to be excited like he was? Why bash anthony davis for being excited. So if you get excited about something 49ergirl I will remember to call you childish and bash you as much as you have anthony davis….its ok for you who is probably in there mid to late 20′s if not older to get excited about something but its not ok for a 22 year old player in the NFL, you sound like a hypocrite to me.
Jon’s,
You do realize that no one is calling Anthony Davis for being childish on the practice field don’t you? It is his behavior after Grant’s posting that some found childish.
Now that we have yesterday’s news straightened out maybe you could join us in today.
hey jack you do realize I was not talking to you so go away…….It was yesterdays news and she was not here and she is bringing it up. So if someone makes fun of her for being immature and childish, like we all do its fine and dandy but if a 49er player does it, it’s not ok? are you a hypocrite as well. We all act a little childish and immature at times, so why take punch’s at some one for doing it when we all do it? Hypocrites?
Jon’s,
If that’s how she feels, so be it. The fact that Davis is still Tweeting about it shows that he can’t let it go.
His behavior is just plain embarrassing. Instead of focusing on two stupid words, why doesn’t Davis focus only on helping get his franchise a sixth Super Bowl title?
Jon, look up the Huffington Post from last year. The Niners had to shut Davis down on Twitter.
This isn’t the first time this dude’s had some Twitter related issues. I’m frankly surprised that his F-word laced posts right now aren’t knocked down by the Niners’ PR guys – not exactly family entertainment. Not exactly the image the Niners want out there of the “gold helmet” character guys. Or at least Davis doesn’t give off that image.
This whole thing is blown way out of proportion. The description was of a guy enjoying a good play. He was obviously excited, giddy, happy, as if childlike. What’s wrong with that?
Big FLIPPIN’ deal.
He could have chided Grant, joked around about not being childlike, etc. A million things. But that’s not what he did. He decides it’s cool to try to end a guy’s career. As a football player, you’d think he’d be sensitive to something like that.
Well said Adam!
It’s an interesting read and it highlights a guy that tends to get in his own way.
He needs to concentrate on helping his team get the O-line off the bottom of the stats pile and not worry about how other people describe his exuberance.
49ergirl, so your a hypocrite….I know you act childish and immature at times and I have seen through some of your post in the past….I bet your even older than AD. Whats wrong with a player being excited on the practice field? So if you get excited about something that means your acting childish and being immature right? YOU ARE A HYPOCRITE.
You are an idiot, Jon. I loved that Davis was excited on the field. I’m absolutely disgusted that he is trying to ruin Grants career because he didn’t like the description. Perhaps you should be asking AD why it is so offensive – he’s the one who took issue with the statement, not me.
+1
+2
So your telling me you have never misunderstood someone and what they were saying? HYPOCRITE
You posted your angry name-calling sentiments multiple times and I called you on it. Now that you realized you made a mistake you continue with the name calling when a simple “Sorry, I misunderstood” would have sufficed.
At least now I understand where you get your ideas on what consititutes maturity.
Anthony Davis found Grant’s words to be offensive to him and becae defensive about them, so what is wrong with that, So the man is not allowed to defend his self now, what hypocrites jack and 49ergirl are.
CAN WE NOT TAKE THIS BACK TO THE PREVIOUS BLOG AND LET THIS ONE STAY CLEAN OF ALL THAT?
Thank you.
Don’t get your panties in a bunch DS. When did you get appointed the assistant site blogger?
I am just proving a point, if you don’t like what someone says about you, you will defend your self and thats exactly what AD did……..so be it if it was childish, inappropriate, or immature…..We all have done it at one point or another, so why bash AD for it? If you bashed him for it that means you are a hypocrite. I will leave it alone now.
Thank you
Jack,
You have to admit that the blog bum is up here more than Grant so he might be classified as the site moderator. He’s here all the time. DISGUSTING!!!
…Jordan Welcher….wz up!!!!!
Grant any insight to the players we inked and cut over the weekend?
Who has the better chance of being on th roster come game day Grant: Owusu or Palmer?
Ithink owusu and palmer both make the roster……I think LMJ will take ginns place at kr….Ginn will be out, hatings already cut…..I believe our wrs will look like this….moss, craptree, manningham, jenkins, owusu, and palmer and williams……I feel like i am leaving someone out….I dont see swain making the team….but who knows and we will see
We are not going to carry 7 WRs even 6 is pushing it.
After what happened to the WR corps last year, I wouldn’t be surprised with six WRs we’re on the roster.
Were, not we’re. Stupid Android.
Jons,
They are not going to carry 7 WR’s. Most likely 2 or 3 of those players you listed will not be on the 53 when camp breaks.
Have you ever heard of the practice squad
I almost Guarantee if LMJ can handle the return duties that Ginn will be cut…….all ginn does is return and offers nothing more…no point to keep him just to return kicks and punts…Jh already said he has considered keeping 6 WRs this year, but he will let it play out and see where it goes. If Moss is only going to be a situation player, not sure but thats what I think then we could easily carry 6 WRs.
If the amount of signing bonus means anything, the Niners are rating Palmer hogher ($10k vs $3k).
Higher
Palmer sounds like someone the Niners shouldn’t try to stash away on the practice squad. I mean the kid wants to join Jenkins and Rice on their friendly little outing when it happens.
@MWN
I have been hearing good reports on Palmer, and yes I also saw that he wants to join the Goat and Jenkins on the hill runs. Would like to see Owusu join them.
Me too. I hope we don’t lose either of those guys.
Nice article on Aldon Smith click on the U tube link and there is Aldon playing the drums.
http://www.49ers.com/news-and-events/article-2/Aldon-Smith-Continues-to-Progress/cdb63860-a41b-43c3-8fb0-ca18e686eb2e
Yeah Aldon should stick to football, not the drums….that was some amateur drumming but with practice he could get better.
It would improve the whole team if Anthony Davis would stop squealing…
The 49ers would be a lot better with fans that stood up for the guy…..he felt that he was attacked so he defended him self.
I’ve never understood this “fans must support every player” idea. I root for the red and gold, not individual players. I appreciate the players who play well and I dislike the players who suck.
I definitely don’t root for sub-par tackles who have 3 day hissy fits squealing on twitter.
This is year 3 for Davis. That’s the make or break year for most draft picks. This is the year he shows whether he was worth the #11 pick or he’s just another bust.
HERE, HERE!! MSC!!!
Dislike should not include feminizing their names msc. Not saying you did that. But others have. And that is not remotely cool.
I’ll stick up for the guys if I feel it’s the right thing to do.
There are some players that are D-Bags that deserve nothing.
The Niners are not immune to having a few idiots, slime bags, thugs, dirty players, etc., on the team from time to time.
This dude might get a little slack from me if he were some all-star veteran that did an outstanding job on every down.
He’s not that guy. He’s the opposite of that guy a lot of times and now he’s a child who has a public fit over nothing and is trying to trash a guy’s career.
Grant probably could have dropped the whole thing before the back-and-forth stuff started but whatever. It’s done.
Davis needs to hang out with Patrick Willis and learn how to MAN UP. He needs to learn how to react to things a bit differently; what was described about him was not insulting and anyone who read it that way needs to have their head examined for emotional issues.
Looks like jons niner 49 is the reincarnation of ‘oneAlex’ who has come back under a new alias because he probably got himself banned again after generating all his ‘hate’ over the weekend.
But I digress (lol).
In any case I agree with Grant’ assessments. With so many weapons the offense will undoubtably open-up a tad more than last year. Perhaps taking 4-5 shots down field to keep the defense from collapsing. The swing pass to our RB’ should gain chunks as well especially when the defense plays back to respect the deep ball. And with the fresh look of our new WR’ let’s not forget that we still arguably have the best TE in the league.
I expect Alex to meet every challenge by steering this new ferrari without a hitch. Huge expectation in 2012!
Yeah, I’m stoked about the improvements and can’t wait for the season to start. I’m hoping Smith’s offseason work pays dividends, he has to be excited about the talent they brought in. I get the feeling Moss is going to pay off big time.
I did get banned, it was discrimination, so keep running your mouth like your 10 years old. you are a moron, I can say the same things you say and get banned for it…….me and Grant talked and settled our differences so keep running your mouth about something you have no idea about, you 10 year old little boy. Your one of those kids that get picked on everyday and go home crying to your mommy.
the above is for AES not you Big P
AES just proved he is a hypocrite
..there you go again AES…I am really in your head……dude….didn’t think you had the liver anyways, especially since you flip flop alot……
AES says – “I expect Alex to meet every challenge by steering this new ferrari without a hitch. Huge expectation in 2012!”
3 months ago
AES said – I doubt Alex can’t meet every challenge lets sign Manning……
Flip flop much!!!!
..can
‘oneAlex’ glad to see you made it back from your therapy session. Yeah, I don’t deny I wanted Manning. Heck, I would still go after him if given another opportunity. And yes, just admit it ‘oneAlex’ you would go into hidding again.
Things ‘have changed’ around here in three months in case you haven’t looked beyond your Alex obsession. Alex has been given enough toy’s to play with and I do believe he can meet the challenges that lay ahead.
But please stop trying to stroke your ego son. During Manning’ possible signing you did what you do best; you ran and hid! (aside from taking your routine cheap shots). Yeah, the mark of a true 49er fan. Hahaha!
Another cowardly act of yours was at it’s ugly best this past weekend. Did you really expect any of us to believe that you were sincerely interested and concerned that Grant made a statement regarding A.Davis’ voice? Hahaha! Nice try clown.
Your incessent mindless incoherent ramblings in grandstanding to have Grant fired was one of the biggest jokes in all the years of this blog. Leave it to you to come up with numerous alias’ on Sunday to build your case. What were all the names you used again? Hahaha, the jokes never stop with you.
You are “The village Clown!”
AES,
Jeez what has happened to you!?? Did you take a Jordo 101 class at your local JC? Your not the dude I remember talking football with over the last several years. Cool you jets and focus on the 9ers. With One, it’s not about AS, it’s about “the fight/debate” – there are no winners when it’s a close minded session.
Move on…
AES, never mind…I get it! LOL
Jons Niners 49, the word hypocrite does not mean what you think it means.
However, the phrase “jock sniffer” does mean what I think it means. Keep it up, you might get a retweet from the 49ers backup right guard. I’m sure you’ll squeal like a child when it happens.
You guys are more dramatic then my news feed on Facebook
We try.
HAHA! Fact of the matter is, I really doubt Antwan [sic] Davis was really, truly upset over Grants words. I mean c’mon?! If he can’t handle “squeeling like a child”, imagine the tirades he goes into in the locker room after a game?! I’m sure his opponents on the field call him far worse names. Like caca-doodie head and scuzz bucket.
I think what it is, if you ask me, is that if Anthony was upset with Grant over what he wrote, then that must mean Anthony reads this blog. And If Anthony reads this blog, he must read the comments. And if Anthony reads the comments, he must read my/your comments. And if Anthony reads my comments, I’m sure as hell gonna impress him by bashing Grant, well because he (Anthony) was. That way he (Anthony) will think I’m soooooo cool like a cucumber. (damn I have too much time on my hands)
Is it wrong of me to finally forgive Kyle Williams for costing us a Super Bowl or at least an appreance. I think I just forgave him………
You gotta turn the page at some point, I forgave him after the playoffs. He manned up and took responsibility for his mistakes, you can’t ask for anything else from him. Things happen for a reason.
**sighhs** True dat!! Gotta live and let live!! I’m truly done with it.
I’m still P.O.’d
I’ll try the forgivey thing again next month.
Forgive the man – it’s a good thing.
It’s not entirely his fault the team lost – he’s just the easy one to blame.
He’s a nice kid. Can’t pin the whole thing on him. The offense was pretty flat and beat up to put the thing away. Too thin at receiver, Smith wasn’t looking too sharp, etc. So it was a little bit him, a little bit this and that.
Would have been nice to get to the dance but stuff happens. He will learn from it and get better.
No biggie, time to move on to this year!
Looks like some media was allowed in today…
http://www.mercurynews.com/49ers/ci_20622415/video-san-francisco-49ers-may-14-workout
Ahh you can feel the fresh air all ready. Too many drive by judgemental aholes the past couple of days, but the number is much lower today.
Good points above Grant, and I would add the playcalling needs to be more aggressive. How many times did we see Roman trying to force the run when it wasn’t there? I’m hoping that the added speed and talent also leads to more confidence and a go for the throat attitude. I want to see them try and put teams away early this year instead of trying to hold on to the 3 point win.
Playcalling has everything to do with the QB as well rocket. I don’t think the OC wanted to take the chance on Smith turning it over and us not getting any points from the kicking game. What other reason could it be?
They played it too conservative in too many situations Jordan. I doubt it was always about not having confidence in Smith. Some of the time maybe, but they also relied on their defenses an awful lot believing if they just kept the clock moving they’d win. Most of the time it worked, but it is walking a tight rope.
Rocket,
That’s true as well.
I am just looking forward to the season and am not interested in ripping players or PD employees, no matter how much their actions deserve a good kick in the butt.
Let’s stick to football .
GO NINERS !!!
…I do feel the fresh air, thanks for turning the page….
…O-line is a major reason why i doubt the improvement on offense…….we might end up running the same offense last yr if thesex guys cant protect Alex….
Lol using the oldest excuse already. Pathetic!
….was hoping Iupati’s brother would make the team……
….I bet Alex will outplay Peyton this season…..
@oneniner
Why do you think PM didn’t sign here?
The blog has only focused on the Niners going after PM. Not at all about why PM did not chose the most complete team with the best D/ST/good RB’s …but horrible WR’s.
I don’t think money was such a big deal if it is true that he came back to win the Super Bowl.
..I do think it was about the $$$…..he is coming from a career ending injury, he just lost a huge pay from the colts…..he already has a SB ring (and knowing how selfish and self centered he his, I doubt his goal was to help the 49ers to reach the SB)……..
….I believe he was looking for a nice salary to end his career……
…….and for those that keep using the “Manning chase” to say niners didn’t think Alex was the man”……i say that is b.s…, cuz Alex’s offer was always on the table…..
…so lets say the 49ers were hoping and communicated to Manning that they would have both QB’s on the roster……you could conclude Manning was never a fan of competition from his history, and he probably was worried he might not play the full season and an opportunity for Alex his competition on the team to play in 2012 could hamper the remainder of his contract in 2013…..
People always get on me for being so “bash Smith centric. Not bringing it up, but I am responding. Manning did not come here ultimately because Harbaugh was not going to rewrite the offense for Manning IMO. Denver is letter Manning rewrite the entire offense. It was a desperate move on Denver’s part IMO.
As for Onelames assertion that Alex always had an offer on the table. Yes he did. What you fail to mention is that it was a low ball offer with yearly escape clauses. It was for this reason that Smith took so long to sign the thing. The front office spoke.
Look, the Niners have PAID the true players. The super stars. If guys like DS, Oneniner and Hofer, Midwest, Primetree and all the other Alex first crowd were correct, then the Niners would have PAID Smith a big reward for taking them one game away from the promise land. That pay day did not come. Why? Because they knew it was the defense that was responsible. Not league low passing production in every category imaginable. And you forget that when he shopped himself, the entire NFL showed no interest, instead, disinterest.
I am also tired of hearing about how terrible our WR’s are. Smith is the #1 pick in the entire draft. If he were even half way decent, he would have figured out how to trip and at least fall into one 300 yard game no matter who he had out there. Instead he struggled just to reach 200 per game. A number his season average fell below.
While some of you Alex first 49ers second fans continue to fight for this guy, I sit and laugh at the fact that in his 8th and hopefully final year he is meeting with QB guru’s in attempts to fix his mechanics…… An obvious admission that parts of his game are broken, although you clowns will never admit it at least he has and so has the front office.
OneAlex,
Alex Smith claimed he looked forward to competing with Peyton Manning had he signed with the Niners. Hahahaha. Smith wasnt getting that contract if Manning has signed here. Smiths deal would have been reduced drastically if not taken off of the table all together.
Sith is no a threat to any real QBs job one Alex. Starting next season, he’ll finish his career as a backup. That career should start at some point this year. The defense and special teams won’t be able to save Smuth this year.
Manning didn’t sign here because he’s a control fanatic and he couldn’t control this offense. Harbaugh wasn’t going to allow that.
I think there are two key reasons why the Niners did not give Smith a big contract extension:
1) They want to see it for more than one season. Whether you like or dislike Smith, there is a small body of work to go by on how to forcast his future. Harbaugh was happy with him last year, but he also wants to see some major improvements with Smith’s game. I’m guessing that is why Smith was working with the pitching coach.
2) They used a high 2nd round pick on Kap. If they had signed Smith to a big long term contract that would have put an end to Kaps shot here before it started. Not good business to end a 2nd year guys opportunity before it begins. They want to see what Kap can do and I agree with that 100%.
Last season Smith played it safe. He didn’t try to force balls into tight windows very often and took sacks instead of risking TO’s. I think it was partially on him, and also by design due to the team realizing the defense was going to give them short fields.
This year they aren’t going to surprise anyone. They are now the hunted instead of the hunters and the attitude and play on offense needs to become more aggressive and play a bigger role in winning games than it did last year. I’m hoping being in the offense a second year with an offseason leads to the improvement we need, but if not, they’ll make a change at QB. I have no doubt about that. Harbaugh isn’t here to make friends, he’s here to win, and will play whoever gives him the best chance of doing that.
i tend to agree rocket
You two a funny characters. Smith will play a lot better, but will not play better than manning. At least you grew some balls and became the same old onelame. Except your o-line excuse takes this stupid prediction off the board. You get more pathetic daily. Keep it Rollin dummy.
You didn’t answer the question md.
Manning didn’t sign here because of harbaugh and the way he runs his show. He wasn’t going to get to take over the offense like he did in Indy and den. It had nothing to do with the money or recievers. If he said he didn’t want to face his brother and stay in the afc then I’ll take his word for it.
Smith wasn’t first choice. You two need to learn to
Live with that fact. He’s a one year contract qb, elite qb’s get multi year contracts with money if they get cut, you two can sit here and make up all the reasons you want, but fact is manning was wanted here first and smith had to buckle do to NO interest from other teams. He said it was about the structure NOT the money when he resigned. He wasn’t happy but he had to come break and comeback with what they offered.
md
Please show me the link that details what the Niners were offering PM. What if they offered PM about the same contract they offered AS? What would you think then?
Also, I don’t believe the Broncos gave that much up for PM of guaranteed money either.
http://www.spotrac.com/nfl/denver-broncos/peyton-manning/
PM is only guaranteed 2012 salary, with a lot of injury clauses.
Hey BS,
all you have to do is google this quote and it comes up in several articles.
“A third NFL source indicated that all involved teams are comfortable working off Manning’s previous contract with the Indianapolis Colts, which was five years for $90 million, or an average of $18 million per year. Additionally, Manning was to receive $61.8 million through the first two years of his contract with the Colts.”
bay bay go away, please come back no other day
And the name is DS. Haters can’t read or write.
I don’t argue “what ifs” ds. You know damn well if it was between two teams at the end. There was big money involved. Please. Save your cred and stop now.
We’ll never know the true reason he didn’t come to SF guys so it makes little sense to draw a line in the sand and defend the point to the death.
My guess is he felt comfortable with Elway and they offered to give him more of a role in planning the offense than the 9ers did. There was also a rumor floating around that he didn’t like the fact that anything less than a SB in SF this season would be a disappointment.
There is also the chance that maybe he didn’t want to come to a team that was on the verge of winning a SB without him and instead wanted to be the force behind taking a team further away to the Championship.
Could be any number of reasons, but he isn’t here so no point in arguing why.
@md
“I don’t argue “what ifs” ds.”
Then the whole issue of PM….you shouldn’t be replying to about at all then, right? Let the “what if” people to do their thing. That includes oneniner.
And, every article I find, and my memory from the time tells me that there were 3 teams. The Titans were the other finalist.
Onelame never stated “what if” smith outplayed manning. Keep stretching ds, keep defending this clown because you two feel pick on, put down, left out, …. Wait this sounds like a familiar line in a movie… Go figure. You two are two peas in a pod. Helping one another in your lonely world. Good for you ds. It takes a big person to adopt a special kid. Kudos!!!
md
Please point out where I defended oneniner’s position on this thread.
If anything, we disagree. He thinks it is more money, I think it is something else.
Me: “I don’t think money was such a big deal if it is true that he came back to win the Super Bowl.” (last sentence)
Oneniner: “I do think it was about the $$$” (first sentence)
Your obsession with oneniner is bordering AES. Good God, what happens if he is banned? Do you two exist?
Bet what? I’m game. Call the bet and let’s send the funds to Grant. Name the bet and the price!
Bet what? I’m game.
Of course you’re game. You have no intention of paying if you lose.
…cmon Jordan Welcher even you won’t bet with yourself……..why would I?
Lol like onelame has room to talk. This clown loves to disappear when he opens his trap and smith fails him. Poooof. He gone!
…dude…honestly I wish i could respond, like I have been crushing your sorry self for years…..but i don’t get you anymore…….you have been wrong for years about (S. Hill, V. Davis, Alex, Singletary, York, MM and others I can’t think of right now)……your stuff is stale like a 90 yr old woman’s punane….
…you were once a person i could (on purpose) argue or pick a fight with, but recently your game is just pure stupid……I am above this nursery school stuff….if you are going to try and piss me off or try to diss me – you gonna have to step up your game….
…you have been repeating the same thing for years now…..cmon dude…..help me out and give me something to work with…..
…you need new material badly just like Jordan Welcher needs a bet he can’t welch on……
lol.
Lol riiiight onelame… Whatever makes you feel good son. Ha ha haaaaaa. Year 8 on smith. and you have been wrong every single year. Just this year you said the 49ers would come crawling back to smith, yet they went for manning. Then you said he will get his big payday and stick it to the niners… He’s making chump change compared to the elites. Your predictions are so bad Mush on ABronx tail would pick opposite. Onelame the fact remains the same. Your a smith fan, not a 49er fan . What kind of 49er fan would want one player to stick it to their team?? As far as me being wrong… Lol hill did take his job, sing did suck, so did raye, T Smith was a good change of pace from the same guy throwing ints every game… Those were my words. Make everything you can up onelame. But we know the truth. Hey whens this “next trip back tithe stick” happening?
And it looks like ribico is throwing a quarter into the special kid jar too. Trying to get that kid a trip to Disneyland ah ribico?
Yeah, the special kid is Jordo. I was lol-ing at his offer to take up the bet.
Betting and Jordy = non-stop drama for months.
Anyone have any football news?
at least JH picked him up from the airport after the miami trip….maybe that makes them even on the caddy front….
just to weigh in…..i like the action AS is taking to work his game towards whatever excellence he attains….i have much higher confidence in his positive contributions than i did 5 years ago….
the offense this coming season will be a bit twisted because it should evolve into something a bit different….there will be hiccups…and some of those hiccups will probably be AS induced….i will of course groan but will not throw AS under the bus the first third of the season….
although it has been said the niners have really upgraded with potential homerun hitters in moss, manningham (whom i do not consider a homerun hitter) and jenkins/james…..i again believe it is about the 1st and 2nd down the field play calling that will be the determining factor on the success of this offense (be they medium or deep strikes or just a couple of yards improvement per down)….although having moss and crabtree , jenkins, and moss should force third down events to not be the apparent easy reads to opposing defenses as they had been in the past….the offense will be able to wrestle some of that dictating back from the opposing defenses
@jg
Here is a link to an interview that just took place on KNBR:
http://knbr.com/Podcasts/tabid/1065/Default.aspx
Go to the Murph and Mack Podcast 5/15 Tom House
Talks about what steps AS has taken about improving his mechanics. Starts around 11:20 of the interview.
You are right Bay, these are the areas that many of us have been mentioning we would like to see Smith improve on. Between this work and the additional weapons the team brought in for him, Smith should really elevate his play in 2012.
no direct mention of the bent front knee per se ….but dragging of the back foot until the ball is released ….. seems to be the key mechanical change… and the one that is easier to execute focus-wise on the fly (while paying attention to every other aspect of the play being executed) as opposed to bent front knee which i believe would defocus the rest of the throwing event….kind of like squashing the bug allows the hips to follow through explosively in a baseball swing….
guess i will be following whether or not AS integrates the igor drag into his mechanics
Did someone delete one of Bay’s comments?
@Jack…….”You are right Bay, these are the areas that many of us have been mentioning we would like to see Smith improve on.”
……. Tom Brady was working on the similar mechanics with the same baseball coach Alex met with, should Tom Brady-elite improve also?????…also
its obvious the conversations on the blog is too matured for you……
From the earlier smackdown from Claude and you agreeing with Bay – Hater……you might want to take a break from conversing with the vets and hang with the rookies for a while…..
@oneniner
Every player, even the best ever, Jerry Rice, kept working on things. Anybody who tries to imply that since AS has stuff to work on and is thus not “elite”or good or average or whatever is full of themselves.
Then again, we already knew that of the person who made the comment, so nothing new.
….also…… drew brees was working on the same mechanics with the same coach…….guess “many” of u have been mentioning u would like to see Drew to improve in that area also……
I believe it was Drew Brees who told Alex about the guy. I think it was in the sfgate article.
@oneniner:
1. Good point with regard to the fact that Tom Brady, Matt Cassel and Carson Palmer also met with House to work on their throwing mechanics. According to Bay, the mere fact that Alex worked with House constitutes an “obvious admission that parts of his game are broken.” I wonder what parts of Brady’s game are broken?
2. I don’t think I smacked Jack down at any time today and would prefer it if you did not bring me into whatever dispute you have with him. There are already enough commenters I don’t get along with. I don’t want to add to the list. Thanks.
That was one flaw in his game it is good to see him working on it. It is great that Alex has chosen the same coach to work with as Brady and Brees, maybe this year he will play like them too and we won’t see Akers break his own field goal record.
No worries Claude, and the only point I was making regarding Alex was that it is good to see him taking steps to improve areas that myself, and many others have noted as flaws in his performance.
Hopefully this extra work will help both Alex and the team get back to Super Sunday.
Bay,
Good God, you’re the master of hyperbole. Broken, really? Broken implies Smith can’t make any throws, and that’s simply not the case. How about, needs improvement?
Did you read where House believes that it was Smith’s body compensating for his shoulder injuries that got his mechanics out of whack?
Perhaps Smith didn’t seek someone like House out earlier to fix his problems is because he wasn’t aware of them. Isn’t letting players know areas of their game that require improvement a coach’s job? I see Smith not having sought out someone like House sooner as an indictment of Nolan/Singletary, as much as anything else.
Exgolfer,
I coach a team of 12U boys as well as a travel 12U team. When I am unable to fix a players mechanics, I don’t hesitate to bring in a resource. I pay for that resource. I’ve brought in high school coaches, college coaches and even ex college players and pro players to work with my boys.
What I am getting at is this, if I go to that extent to help my boys, don’t you think the 49ers have done that repeatedly with their starting QB that makes millions of dollars?
Trust me, they’ve had the best working with him. He just continues to have bad habits. IMO those bad habits have to do with the speed of the game, his vision and his decision making. House can’t help with that, only Harbaugh and maybe god can.
@Bay:
I commend you for what I assume is your volunteer work with kids. You are providing a valuable service.
Thanks Claude,
outside of my family, it’s the most rewarding thing I’ve ever done.
What sport are you coaching Bay?
Baseball. I was a 4 year football player. Three years varsity. Having said that, I won’t let my kid play football.
Bay I echo Claudes sentiments. I think it’s great that you Coach kids and try to help them.
Having said that, I’m not sure you can equate that to the Niners. I really don’t think he’s had anyone working with him on Mechanics. He’s said himself that this offseason was the first time he’s had a chance to focus on that because he isn’t learning a new offense.
Honesly with the myriad of OC’s he’s had, I highly doubt anyone has ever taken the time to work on throwing motion with him as usually all the time is spent on running plays.
That’s awesome Bay. Keep up the good work.
Ok Grant,
new questions for you to ask the next time you are in front of the QB’s. ( That is if AD lets you talk to them) Kidding.
Ask them what type of video training tools are utilized in their training.
Ask them if they use the split screen video trainers that slow the frames down to tenths of a second to study their motion and mechanics.
Those tools are meant to split screens, synchronize players with similar mechanics and freeze frames to show where players are “off”.
Love it. You got it.
Tom House just said on TV that the video technology he used for Smith’s throwing motion broke it down to 1,000 frames a second.
..I read Jack’s comment first, then Rocket and Claude’s comment……….I was curious to know what Bay had written……
After reading the 1st , I was impressed with the positive energy then he just destroyed it by going “loco” again…..
Bay says – “Trust me, they’ve had the best working with him”………
..Trust you?…..that the 49ers have had the best Offensive coaches to coach Alex????
…dude you did go loco….
….Good for you if are volunteering……
@ Grant,
I’m not surprised. All major colleges are utilizing this type of tool as are all professional sports teams.
This type of tool was first utilized in the golf world believe it or not.
My guess is that Smith and all of their QB’s have used this type of tool every year since college. It would be interesting to know…
Bay,
U12 boys football? If so, I hope it’s not tackle football.
There are a bunch of issues: did the Nolan/Singletary know, or care, enough about the QB position to really oversee what was happening [I doubt it]; were the people they left minding the store capable of identifying flaws in Smith’s [or anyone else's] throwing motion [I doubt it]; if they could identify flaws, did they have the knowledge of how to fix those flaws [I doubt it]; if they could identify flaws, but knew they couldn’t fix them, could they determine the best specialty coach to hire [I doubt it]?
Keep in mind, it’s one thing to spot a flaw in an athlete’s motion. It’s entirely another to know how to fix it. Practice doesn’t make perfect, it makes permanent. If an athlete isn’t getting the right instruction, practicing the wrong things can make you worse, or at best, harder to fix when the you finally do get good coaching.
The 49ers certainly have had someone working with Smith up to this point on his mechanics, the question is, who? Based on Nolan’s and Singletary’s complete incompetence in dealing with QB’s [along with most other things], there is absolutely no reason to assume that, since his shoulder injuries, Smith has had any help with his mechanics close to that from Harbaugh and House.
Bay,
I just read farther down the thread, and saw it’s baseball you’re coaching. Good for you.
Bay,
I never doubted the 49ers having, and “using”, the type of video equipment you describe. If you don’t have a great coach intrepeting the footage, what good is it?
Cetainly, you’re not saying that there are NFL caliber QB coaches on every street corner, are you? Remember, it was Bill Walsh who believed that there are very few people who really understand the QB postition, and fewer still who can adeqately coach it.
@oneAlex
Want to put money on it? Or better yet, when your prediction fails, just disappear from this blog.
@oneniner:
Yeah, just like jordan did when his prediction failed.
No, claude.
Remember, I am Nickrow.
@oneAlex
Want to put money on it? Or better yet, when your prediction fails, just disappear from this blog.
Nick… That’s not a bet. He will disappear if smith fails anyways. He always does. Poof he gone!
With the way Jordo infamously redefined his Vernon Davis bet to welch out of paying Claude, I see a lot of weasel room here.
So what are the parameters of this “outplaying”? The official QB rating? ESPN’s Total QBR? Net yards per attempt? W/L record? Who’s going to Disneyland and who’s not? Is this week by week? Do both QBs have to play the entire season? What?
That’s the problem ribico, what constitutes playing better?
It’s not yards because it’s been proven that stat is meaningless in terms of wins and losses.
Is it QB rating? ESPN’s QBR rating? TD passes? Lack of Int’s?
Not sure you can bet on the quality of one guys performance in a team sport like Football.
@Rocket
That sounds like a lot of Alexcuses. Here are – IMHO – important stats in determining QB performance: yards/attempt, completion %, QB rating, 3rd efficiency, # of sacks, and average YAC.
@NickRow:
I think you have to be careful with sacks and YAC because those stats are dependent upon the performance of other players. Sacks in particular can be, and in the 49ers’ case are, heavily dependent upon the play of the offensive line.
I also notice that you conveniently left out turnovers. I wonder why?
@Claude,
I included sacks because they serve two roles:
1. If the OL is playing poorly, then QB performance will suffer.
2. If QB is holding on the tool ball too long, then sack totals go up.
Average YAC can give an indication of QB accuracy. I’ve explained that in the past.
@NickRow:
Yes, but how do you use those stats to evaluate/compare two QBs’ respective performances? Do you distinguish between sacks that are the line’s fault and sacks that resulted from the QB holding the ball too long? If so, how?
How do you distinguish good/poor YAC due to the receivers’ good/poor YAC abilities and good/poor YAC due to the QB’s good/poor accuracy?
And what about turnovers? Do you not think they are important?
Nick,
The problem is most of what you listed relies on others doing their jobs as well. That’s my point here: how do you grade the QB when his performance relies on others doing their jobs at a high level?
I’m not trying to say Alex is better than Manning, and I sure as hell don’t make Alexcuses. I just feel that to rate a QB’s performance is tough to do when taking all the outside factors into account.
You have to figure out what areas of the QB’s play most directly correlate with victories. I think that’s what the guys at ESPN were trying to do with the QBR formula, but they admitted after the season the formula needs more tinkering.
I typically don’t post on these things, but a comment such as the Niners “have a running back that can catch passes” listed as an improvement strikes me as a bit strange. Are there more than 2 or 3 backs in the league that averaged over 50 catches per year over the last 5 years such as Frank Gore did before Harbaugh arrived? I think it is the usage and not the fact that Frank isn’t a pass catching back. I believe he led the Niners in receptions a few of those years….
Absolutely correct nh49er. Gore was got his share of receptions before the Harbaugh regime. But those numbers were somewhat skewed by the fact that many passes came from check down throws.
Also, FG seems to have a step as witnessed last season although he did have respectable numbers. And the fact the defenses were stacking the box because the lack of a WR deep threat may have also contributed to a low number of passes to him out of the backfield.
I believe this will be one area of clear improvement this season. With R.Moss and MM spreading the defense for us, there should be nice lanes for receiving out of the backfield for guys like K.Hunt, LMJ and even F.Gore.
C’mon September!
*delete GOT*
Sorry, to early in the morning. *Delete WAS*
Grant, how did trenton robinson look this last weekend?
I’m mostly in agreement with these points Grant made. Like others here, I look for improvement on the OL. The FO made it clear they see a need too, as by letting two veterans get away they’re embarking on a re-make of the OL, and with full OTAs & MiniCamps and familiarity between coaches and players there’s a chance for improvement.
I think we have to acknowledge that failure of RZ short yardage running plays has to be partially blamed on the OL. It may be more about timing & cohesion than a lack of talent that needs the upgrade.
Frank has been a good receiver over his career with the Niners, but I recall a number of drops in 2011; a distressing number. I have faith he’ll be better in 2012; no doubt in my mind.
The QBs will all be better in 2012. I noted that when Alex was at that camp working on his throwing mechanics, Brady was there too. Nobody can rest on their past in the NFL.
One of the reasons that teams with revolving doors at the top fail is that it takes a minimum of 3 years to put together an offense that performs as envisioned, but a defense can gel in 1 year. I believe we just witnessed a typical football evolution here last year and now we get to watch the offense evolve. The FO seems intent on a quick evolution and did so with an eye on the future (witness the draft maneuvering). Its been a while since this franchise has had an idea of what it wanted to do.
@ottospellczech
“I believe we just witnessed a typical football evolution here last year and now we get to watch the offense evolve.”
I don’t think it is that typical for a team to go from 6-10 and really not a “go to” team to 13-3 NFC Title game and most complete team in the NFL in just one year. Our Defense lost just as many games as the offense did in 2010.
Ottospellczech,
You are spot on with your comment. Defenses are always quicker to improve than offense, and without them stepping up to the level they did and carrying the offense, last year would have been another mediocre year.
The nice part is that they finally have a strong offensive staff and when they catch up to the D this team will be unstoppable. Things are looking good again in 49erland.
The implication was not that it is typical to go from 6-10 to 13-3, but that it is typical for the defense to be a faster evolution than the offense
I have high hopes for this years offense, but I am also of the mind set to think that the year the offense becomes a monster is the following year. BTW no, I am not trying to make AS excuses before the season starts. I have followed this enough to know that any statement can get 2nd guessed and I guess that is why this can be fun up to the point of insults, which aren’t.
@ Otto
Yeah. You could make a comment about a solar eclipse and it could still go viral on this blog as a point of argument; usually about the QB!
I am laughing
Well Brotha, a few passes last year were high enough to blot out the sun…
:-)
@msc
Not at home. There is no sun in SF.
lol
@ Clemons & Otto
See? I KNEW IT! Lol
Is Goldson holding out?..or wants a trade? or?
i think goldson like all nfl players does’nt want to play the season under the franchise tag. it gives the player no insurance of future earnings in case of injury. all most all players who have been “tagged” hold out during training camp getting injured during training camp is way to risky. i imagine he and the 9ers are trying to work out a contract that includes a signing bonus which is usually the only guaranteed money a player receives
I hate to be pedantic but Goldson isn’t holding out. He is not under contract and not employed by the 49ers at this time.
It’s just semantics but “hold out” tends to irritate fans.
@ 49erGirl
Welcome back, Sista.
You didn’t get much of a pass from your absence, what with being called a hypocrite within minutes of posting your comment! Oh well, same old dysfunctional ‘family’ here. :>)
JH has his troops trying to improve 1% every day. The commenters here are pretty much staying the one-trick-pony that most of us are. Me too, I guess; relentlessly old school; sigh. :>)
Thanks! I can already tell that I didn’t miss much, lol!
I’m anxious for July – getting back to camp and then starting the preseason in August…it’s not that far away!
And for those of you that quickly jump to conclusions and want to slam Grant for the AD “squealed” remark, maybe you should dig a little deeper. Did you stop to think that maybe AD IS childish?
What if I told you that AD has been reprimanded by the 49ers in the past for childish Tweets? Forced to delete childish tweets? I am sure they would give him some leeway if he were a star player, BUT HE’S NOT. AD has to prove himself this camp or he is going to lose his position. At this point all he is, is king of false starts. When Singletary was here, AD lost games for us. Had he played reasonably well, we would have won the division and gone to the playoffs in his first year. He repeatedly killed drives. He was a legitimate Alexcuse actually.
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2011/10/19/anthony-davis-twitter_n_1020531.html
Read for yourself.
Two reports of rooks lining up at positions raised my interest: I read (MM, I think) that Nelms lined up at Safety and Netter at LT. That may have been to fill out positions in the Rookies-only camp; or not, we’ll have to see. I’d expected Nelms to compete at CB and Netter at OG.
Nelms was on practice squad last year, but I think he’s technically
a rookie. Other dude was a udfa signee this year, and is a local kid I’d love to see make the team or at least the PS. Gotta earn it though; we’re going to be cutting some guys who can play.
Grant,
Evan Silva tweeted that Mikel Leshoure is one of the 2011 Draft picks already on the bubble. This should be a little concerning to 49er fans since he was their big play guy in 2010, and like Jenkins was taken by a team with a need.
???
I think you’re really reaching here, Jack.
Leshoure and Jenkins play different positions. Leshoure suffered a serious injury before he ever played a down in the NFL; Jenkins is healthy. Leshoure has been arrested twice in the past year on marijuana charges while Jenkins has not been connected to drugs in any way (that I know of). In what way does Leshoure serve as a cautionary tale regarding the 49ers’ selection of Jenkins? Because they both played for Illinois? That doesn’t make sense.
We get it. You don’t like the Jenkins pick. But you are going to have to let it go. He’s on the team.
Thank you for giving me more background on the personal differences between the two Claude. I was merely going off of their performance on the field and appreciate the additional information.
@Jack:
I don’t see how one is relevant to the other. It just seems like you are holding a grudge.
But that is, of course, your right.
Claude,
As I said, thank you for providing the background on the two. I was unaware of those problems with Leshoure, so maybe there is no relevance other than their alma mater.
Oh, I thought you were being sarcastic.
My bad.
I think Anthony Davis will continue to improve. He was drafted very young and had to play next to “can’t get out of his stance” Chilo. AD may never play up to his super-high draft status, but he will be solid for years to come.
I like the O-line, but I do have concerns. Staley has a history of missing games due to injuries, and all this talk about moving Boone to Left Guard makes me think the line less stable then it looks. Now if Kilgore really is developing nicely as Baalke hints, it will all work out.
…..It’s interesting how the blog is full of opinionated people (except AES the flip flopper) ready to take a stand on any issue but nobody is talking about Goldson……
…I hear nobody bashing him for not signing a decent contract (not sure but i think it was 5mil a yr contract)………I hear nobody saying the Org should overpay him…….and Nobody wants him gone, at least for next season…..
….maybe most (like me) thinks he plays out this last yr and we draft a 1st or 2nd round safety next draft…….
….looks like we are still looking for that Ronnie Lott (A safety we value just as we value P. Willis)………Goldson might get his money but never fit as he was on the 49ers on any other team out there …….
Agreed. Ronnie Lott was better than Goldson.
Lott was what? The second or third pick overall in the draft that year? A rare talent, and universally recognized as such coming out of college. Hard to get.
This year there wasn’t anybody in the draft that is or is likely to be a better FS than Goldson. Baron will be a SS, and a good one.
Goldson will sign his tender sheet and report.
@oneniner
I talked a lot about DG shortly after the Title game and is contract status and replacing him and such. I am hoping that Spillman can become our new safety. He is way faster than DG and can tackle guys in the open field much better. He may be our best open field tackler.
If he can manage all the nuances of the position, he has skills that you can’t teach (speed, speed and more speed).
Most aren’t talking about Goldson because it is pretty much assumed that he will be here eventually. This will become a bigger issue if he starts to miss mandatory workouts.
He was a Pro Bowl player last year, and will be paid as such, average of the top 5 players at his position. As was pointed out yesterday when the subject was brought up, signing the tender offer weakens his ability to negotiate the longer term deal.
@oneniner:
There’s not enough bandwidth for commenters to debate Alex Smith, Michael Crabtree and another player.
Actually, during his brief tenure, Spitblood tried to make the case that Goldson is the best safety in the league and that the 49ers should pay him whatever it takes to sign him. Of those commenters who bothered to respond, most disagreed.
Then, there’s this: http://www.profootballfocus.com/blog/2012/03/02/playing-tag-dashon-goldson/
Claude
Didn’t Williams play a lot, or even start to begin the year? Then he just stood there as the ball was on the ground in the Dallas game, then he vanished.
Claude,
Thanks for the link. I find it interesting that their analysis ranks him very low, yet those that actually know the game, players/coaches/etc thought he played at the level of a top safety in the league.
It will be interesting to see how this all plays out.
….I agree with their “Persistent Inconsistency” analysis……..
I tend to agree with the pro football focus analysis, although I think it is a bit too harsh on him. Goldson makes the big play, which is important and should see him rank higher than 69th, but he isn’t a great player and isn’t pro bowl calibre. He makes too many errors to be considered pro bowl calibre, and he’s lucky he plays on such a strong defense that can help cover up some of his deficiencies and allow him to play aggressively on the ball.
He’s worth keeping around this season purely because the 49ers have no better options as yet (though I’m hoping either Spillman or Robinson show something in camp). But I hope the 49ers don’t cave and give him a big long term contract. FS is definitely a position the 49ers can upgrade, and may be worthy of an early round investment in next years draft.
Here’s the rub with Goldson: The Niners defense absolutely needs him to play his best all season. They don’t have a good backup for him on the roster, and their pass coverage struggles without him.
DG had a big-play year after he went thru FA, and nobody, and I mean nobody wanted him to come in for them. Then, he had to slouch his way back in here after his ego got destroyed.
I’m perfectly fine with the franchise tag deal. I don’t think he will get what he thinks he is worth if he does not take what the Niners offer him. He made a lot of big plays, but I can find just as many big plays he gave up to lose games as well. Most importantly the Title game hits on his own players to prevent the Int.
Brown was the best CB that day. He was shutting down anybody. The only time I really freaked out during that game was when Brown didn’t get up.
Scooter,
If Goldson isn’t a Pro Bowl caliber player why was he in the Pro Bowl this year?
Here is another piece on the Goldson situation.
http://www.csnbayarea.com/football-san-francisco-niners/niners-talk/Goldson-will-sign-with-49ers-but-timing-?blockID=708184&feedID=5936
Jack, fair play. Instead of saying “not pro bowl calibre” I should have said he is not one of the top 10 safety’s in the NFL, and in my opinion his play last season as a whole was not worthy of being invited to the pro bowl. He is a highly aggressive FS and his aggressiveness leads to a lot of big plays, both good and bad.
Splash plays and stats are all most people care about when it comes to pro bowl voting, and Goldson put up some impressive numbers in key stats. The fact that he is inconsistent and gives up more than his fair share of plays does not show up as noticeably in the stats, so this gets overlooked.
All that aside, Goldson played much better last season than the 69th ranking that pro football focus assigned him.
I’m guessing not much has been said about Goldson because he isn’t Alex Smith. J/K, no the reason is there isn’t much to discuss. Goldson is like most FA’s who get the tag: unhappy. He wants the long term deal, the team isn’t giving him what he wants, and he’ll stay away until TC at which time he’ll sign his deal and all will be forgotten until next year.
when you start talking about safeties do’nt forget trenton robinson he does’nt have great size but he hits like a ton of bricks and has above avg ball skills
The Cohns are idiots. Get a real job. Your writing is worthless and tired.
Yet you waste your time and ours posting here. Don’t you have a bus to be under?
What bus driver would want to dirty their bus?
What’s the word on Dashon Goldson? Has he reported yet?
Ha. Funny. Didn’t see the post above. Brutal.
Next. :P
Justin Blackmon, who couldn’t possibly be the next Michael Crabtree, already has a sore left foot: http://jacksonville.com/opinion/blog/429812/tania-ganguli/2012-05-15/justin-blackmons-sore-foot-solved-better-footwear
…Blackmon sore foot was last week May 6 news…….he was expected to be ready to practice again when organized team activities began May 15………guess it makes a story now…..
Who do you think will have a more productive season – Crabtree or Blackmon?
Jacksonville’s offense isn’t scaring anybody. In fact they kinda suck as a team.
Wouldn’t be hard for anybody to better Blackmon this coming season. Even if MC comes off the bench as the #3 WR or lower.
I think it is more interesting to think how Blackmon will be in year 3 (presumably the Jags get better) next to MC’s year 3. MC is on a flat out better team this year. That will help anybody.
……Crabtree….
…was thinking Blackmon cuz he is Jags #1 wr and could be targeted more……but he is no speed guy who could gain lots of long yards per catch…….and Crabtree has a lot to prove, also he has the upper hand on chemistry with his NFL QB……..
I agree, I think Crabtree will have a better season than Blackmon.
Crabtree, because if he doesn’t that means I lose our bet and I don’t like to lose.
Crabtree in a canter.
Crabtree because he finally has help in the WR corps.
…..Wz up with the NFL offseason program ???……
“…..The CBA states, “No live contact is permitted. No one-on-one offense vs. defense drills are permitted (i.e., no offensive linemen vs. defensive linemen pass rush or pass protection drills, no wide receivers vs. defensive backs bump-and-run drills, and no one-on-one special teams drills involving both offense and defense are permitted). Special teams drills (e.g., kicking team vs. return team) are permitted, provided no live contact occurs.”…”
…..this is weak!!!!
You still suck at writing.
HA!..I hadn’t even noticed you deleted the AD brouhaha. But BASG posted their removal.
Don’t worry kid I put a few words in defense for you. I don’t know why-you never did send the $50 you promised last time!…KIDDING peeps. Stan cannot be bought for $50…$75? put a ribbon on me..
What is BASG?
@Adam:
This: http://www.bayareasportsguy.com/
Bad news: Niners recent draft pick Darius Fleming tore his ACL. http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2012/05/15/49ers-fifth-round-pick-darius-fleming-suffers-torn-acl/
This means he probably won’t play this season, and veteran OLB Parys Haralson will.
That sucks. At least he signed his contract, so he should get something if he never does play again. I hope he recovers from it fine, but you never know.
Good thing we didn’t jump the gun though and just dump Parys though.
Tough break for Fleming. Makes the decision to sign over the weekend more understandable. Good thing they picked up Johnson too.
..sucks…I am a ND fan….was hoping to see him grow….
Wow, tough break for Fleming. No contact, 1st practice, and the guy tears his ACL. I wonder if conditioning had anything to do with it. This opens the door for Cam Johnson to show case his skills.
To be honest I was thinking if one of the lower round rooks gets hurt in training camp the 49ers might try and stash them on IR this season even if it isn’t a true season ending injury. Fleming may now end up there unfortunately with a potentially very serious injury. Hopefully it isn’t as bad as it sounds, and the recovery goes well.
With Fleming going down, Kyle Williams’ chances of making the roster certainly improve.
Do you say that based on the thinking that originally both Fleming and Johnson would make the team?
@Grant:
I think it means Cam Johnson’s chances improve. Or did you think the 49ers were going to keep 5 OLBs on the 53 man roster at the expense of the WR No. 6?
To the extent the 5th OLB was going to make the roster because of his ability to play special teams, then perhaps Colin Jones’ chances improved.
*at the expense of WR No. 6
You’re probably right. I jumped the gun on that Williams angle. He’s still a long shot for a roster spot.
Williams was the #5 receiver last year, and only moved up due to injuries. With the acquisitions at WR, the only way he makes the team is if they decide not to keep Ginn, which I don’t see happening.
With apologies to Grant for advertising the competition, but it may be of interest to many/some here:
ESPN running a show at 4:30pm on E:60 today on Patrick Willis & the challenges he’s faced in life.
They initially ran that piece back during the playoff run. If you missed it, you should definitely set your DVR or VCR to record it. Some very poignant stuff.
It’s a good piece. I caught it online.
Willis is good man.
a*
Willis is *a* good man.
Another sign that the 49ers front office is now top notch. Read today that 9 teams have yet to sign any of their draft picks, while all but 1 has signed here.
grant how did trenton robinson look this last weekend?
http://sports.yahoo.com/news/san-francisco-49ers-alex-smith-continuity-offseason-pay-170500823–nfl.html
I’m looking forward to another banner year for the 9ers. The positives have been impressive this offseason:
1. JH and staff addressing weaknesses in the offense by adding playmakers through FA and the draft.
2. Ensuring all of the eleven starters on defense remain intact.
3. Adding competition to all positions especially OL and QB.
4. AS working on his mechanics with a coach that elite NFL QB’s have worked with *not just once* but continue to work with honing their skills.
5. JH and staff focusing on the offense knowing that they did what they could last year without an offseason to utilize special packages and schemes focusing on specific mismatches.
We are blessed that within one year of a new staff, after all of the years of negativity and losing, the 9ers are back on top!
Well done ownership, FO, and especially JH/Staff!!!
Go 9ers!!!
@Hofer
Well said. I can’t wait to see how things progress from here on. On paper, the team should be stronger. At the same time, they’re facing a tougher schedule and teams will be targeting them. It should be a fun year. We’ll hopefully get some pleasant surprises along the way – like JJ replacing AS :)
Nicely put, Hof!!!
Totally agree Hofe. To borrow your adage; All arrows up!
Expecting a great season (which around here now equates to Superbowl).
Great comment Hofer! How much longer until August?
It’s astonishing what an org can accomplish when they have a plan, system, and program. The time will fly and August is just around the corner…
“We are blessed that within one year of a new staff, after all of the years of negativity and losing, the 9ers are back on top!”
Right on, Brother! :)
That mechanics guy is interesting. Helps some guys for sure. Hey if it can work for Zito right?? I’m all in! :)
I like that Smith took the initiative to do this. Wants to be in the Brees, Brady conversation. Good for him! Hope it helps. Never too early or too late to work on fundamentals.
Hey Adam,
What was impressive what the technology as much as THouse’s approach using psychology, motion analysis, and repeatability.
QB mechanics is an ongoing process. To see guys that have hit the elite status level still working on there mechanics tells you it is always a work in progress.
Yes, very impressive and positive!!!
*wasn’t the technology*
*their*
Mangled but you get the point. lol
Adam,
More like, would like to have a career after this year. After year 7, why not want to fix the flaw a few years ago. Let me guess, Nolan didn’t know about the flaw to suggest he get it fixed. Same old Smith.
Smith was in the continuous cycle of learning yet another new offense a few years ago 23. It’s kinda hard to tinker with mechanics while doing that.
officially my new name.
What was your previous name?
He previous name was obviously Super Genius.
“Pretty Boy from SF”
Better start thinking of your next one.
Haha. No kidding.
Another genius heard from.
Hey guys. Just here to support my hero, my everything, Stan. Have you heard that the Dubs promoted Lacob’s son to assistant GM? That smells like nepotism doesn’t it? My crystal ball says this won’t end well. And how about them Raiduhs! I think Palmer’s gonna have an All-Pro year.
Uh,ok.
♥
Super Stan, You are such a GENIUS that you now have multiplied!!
Yep,I’m practically a separate species.
Are you part Gremlin?
Nah,no gremlin…more like the Outer Limits episode with David McCallum where he’s advanced 1,000,000 million years into the future. Gee Hammer,I thought you were the one to see that…wink…
Stan:
How did it turn out for David McCallum (One of the men from U.N.C.L.E. )in that Outer Limits episode,after his head starting getting soooo big ? ;)
So what happened to the Anthony Davis contest posts, Grant? PD made you remove them, or did you finally back down?
http://www.bayareasportsguy.com/grant-cohn-removes-2-blog-posts-all-tweets-about-anthony-davis/
My fellow Stans and I have been vigorously defending Grant! Here’s an article discussing the topic.
If anyone had any doubt over whether Grant’s previous posts and flame war with AD were compatible with a professional journalist, the fact that they’ve been taken down is all the proof you need to know that they didn’t.
I would like to hear some kind of statement from Grant about the whole saga. I obviously have my own opinions (which I expressed in the now downed posts), but I’m genuinely curious for his perspective on the entire event.
For all of his pontificating, pouting and squealing, BASG still doesn’t have a press credential.
You can tell it kills him. He’s just another blogger amongst thousands. I wonder when he’ll turn on the new kid at the Examiner?
Seeing as how those posts were absolutely worthless, I’m not surprised they were removed. Honestly I’m somewhat shocked that Grant still has a job here. Nothing against him, I just assumed he would get the boot after the poor way he handled everything.
I am just looking forward to the season and am not interested in ripping players or PD employees, no matter how much their actions deserve a good kick in the butt.
Let’s stick to football .
GO NINERS !!!
LSX,
Goes to show how much you know. What a loser. Get a life instead of hoping someone elses is ruined.
TIM,
Well said! I agree.
23jordan,
LOL! Grasping at straws, are we? I never said I wanted Grant to lose his job. Clearly you’re still butthurt that I once again made you look like a fool (not that it takes any effort) and now you’re trying your hardest to attack anything I say. Good luck next time sonny boy, you’ll have to try a lot harder than that to get under my skin. And next time you come on here to leave a comment, check your vagina at the door. Anyone with an IQ higher than spoiled milk is sick of your whining.
Grant backs down from no man…
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LKqO0FeaCFQ
Nice one Jack
As I’ve said this whole time, those blogs made all involved look bad. Not shockingly they were removed. It was only a matter of time.
Nostradamus has nothing on you DS
It is really good to see the veteran WR’s sharing so much of their knowledge with the rookies.
http://www.49ers.com/news-and-events/article-2/AJ-Jenkins-Learns-on-the-Fly/5be78353-6e79-4769-89d9-e9332d3a7da1
With the coming of the new season, and a new stadium on the horizon, I am feeling for the first time in years a lot of hope with the Niners organization. There are a lot of positives to point out.
1. we have a head coach that understands football and can teach football.
2. we have a offensive system for two years in a row.
3. our QBs doesnt have to learn a new system from scratch.
4. we had a good draft.
5. we added depth and some quality at the WRs position
6. we have a bad ass defense
7. we have a locker room where the players actually like each other
8. we have players that are putting the extra time in to be succesful
9. we are going to have players cut that are going to be picked up by other teams. (its called depth)
10. we have a FO that seems to know what they are doing.
11. we have a lot of returning starting players.
12. we have Justin Smith, Aldon Smith, Navaro Bowman, Patrick Willis, Joe Staley, Iupita, Frank Gore, Moss, Manninghan, as good solid core players.
With all the positives things, and I know there are more I just have a brain cramp at the moment, how can we not be the best!!!
I also am going to go out on a limb: Alex Smith will be MVP in the Super Bowl victory.
I’ve got no problem with that whatsoever ‘Undercenter.’ Love to see Alex win the SB MVP. May the Alex Smith renaissance continue all the way to the SB podium.
You may not believe me but it is the truth ,that I would love to see Alex holding that Lombardi trophy and have him be the SB MVP ! As a matter of fact,I have said MANY times on these forums that I wish Alex could be in the Pro Bowl and win the MVP of the SB every year for the next 10 years in a row !
But wishing ,unfortunantly,doesn’t make it true ,or we would already have several more SB trophys,because I have wished it very hard every year since 2005.
Maybe this is THE year that he starts that streak ! If he does play even close to that we will be unbeatable !
AES make up your mind you either like Alex or you hate him, which is it?
Tim you have never said that, you have done nothing but bash Alex, In fact I remember arguing with you before last season and the season before that about Alex’s ability and potential. You were one that was asking for his head on a gold platter, so please get your story straight.
It is amazing ‘Undercenter’ when you consider that only two years ago this Org was in shambles. Our once proud team was languishing in mediocrity.
Now, just two short years later, we are seriously looking at the prospect of going to our 6th Superbowl.
The ‘hated’ c-boys have a handful of Superbowls. The (always competitive) Steelers have one more then us.
But I want us to be the only team (which the others can’t claim) to say that we are 6-0 in the Superbowl!
The season can’t begin soon enough. We are already better than last year which I agree is a huge testament to our FO. Every position has been solidified and our second string unit has been shored up to hold down the fort if anyone faulters or get’s injured.
This team bears so many resemblences to the 81 championship team that it’s almost scary. Superbowl here we come!
Go 49ers!!!
Been years since I have had this much anticpation, I am with you AES I can hardly wait for the next season. Its going to be remarkable.
Do you remeber the year before 81, you could see what the team was getting so much better. I totally agree there are some parallels with the 81 team. Yuppers go Niners
Under:
Coach of the year and executive of the year and a play or two away from a probable SB victory #6 ,all in their first year together !
Not bad for a first year HC and GM and a great owner (Jed) who has only been head man for a couple years now and already has us back on top and a new stadium on the way in 2014 and a SB sure to come to Santa Clara !
As I have said for years now,the future looks very bright !
Hopefully WE can be one of the teams in that SC SB !!!
Tim – Would like us to be in the 50th annvi. at SC
UnderCenter
Here are a few more to add to your list:
1. David Akers
2. Andy Lee
3. Tedd Ginn (as a return man)
You bet, the brain cramp was stronger then I thought.
I heard from a very reliable source that Josh Johnson is our #2 QB already.
#2 or #1 or #3,it doesn’t matter to me,as long as one of the 4 turn out to be a star !
Tim,
Are you trying to be a poet, or having flashbacks to your cheerleading days?
JH:
What do you mean”flashbacks” .I am STILL cheerleading for my team ! :)
How about this…2-4-6-8, seven years is too long to wait ;)
Tim,
That was pretty funny dude! At least you have a good sense of humor : )
Already?!? Oh man! At this rate he’ll be #1 by training camp!
Tell your “very reliable source” (lol) that it’s only May. I know that Josh Johnson is the star quarterback in your wet dreams, but maybe it’s time to get a grip.
BUT LSX,he said it was from a VERY reliable source,not just a reliable source.
Since you are not a journalist Jordan,you can name your source ,right ?
MY sources are not really very reliable at all,so I would love to hear more ! ;)
Tim, the bay areas 49er blog joke. The biggest flip flopper in the bay area. You sound like an idiot with your backhanded Alex Smith compliments. One day you’re on his jock and 30 minutes later, you’re posting articles from bleacher report and supporting them. You’re a laughing joke on all 5 blogs you post the same repetitive crap on daily. Make up your mind before you decide to be critical of anyone else clown.
LSX,
How about a wager? Name the price and let’s send the funds to Grant. how about $500? I’m waiting……….
I’m waiting……….
To welch again?
By the way, that’s a nice Judge Smails impression you do there.
No Jordo! You didn’t say that AGAIN did you? A wager? Hahahahahahaha
Look, Einstein, if you borrow money and don’t pay it back, you get bad credit and can’t get another loan.
If you make a bet (esp one you dreamed up and challenged the World with) and then welch on it, ……(wait for it……..)
Then nobody will ever bet with you again and bringing it up makes you look like you do.
Have any opinion you want about any player you want, but jeez, this ‘wager’ sh## coming from you is embarrassing.
23jordan: whos that reliable source?
Lowell,
If I gave that up, I wouldnt be given any more nuggets. The source is very close to the QB situation.
@Lowell:
It’s obvious that jordan’s source is a Josh Johnson plush doll. That doll tells him everything. It’s the source of all his football knowledge.
Claude,
Would you like to make a wager cut n paste? Didn’t think so coward.
@jordan:
Would you like to make a wager cut n paste?
About you having a Josh Johnson doll? Not really. Do you actually believe anyone is going to agree to a wager with you?
I don’t understand the “coward” comment, particularly when it comes from the guy who isn’t man enough to honor his commitments.
“The source is very close to the QB situation.”
Wow. Just wow. Now I know you’ve turned the corner.
But you’re still amusing I guess ;)
I heard from a very reliable source that 23jordan is already reneging on his vow to stop posting here. That reliable source? Jordo himself.
i heard from a reliable source that Ribico has no original opinions of his own
I have plenty, 4. But when a poster makes a inronclad vow, you have have to hold them to it. What is your (original) opinion on that?
To my hero, Alex Smith, my one and only desire to watch football, let me wish you a great year and the following Alexcuses:
1. Unstable situation at O-line
2. Unproven or over the hill WR’s
3. Tough schedule
4. Niners coaching staff holding you back
classic
Classic rubbish.
WOW,somebody doesn’t think Alex is very good …I hope he is wrong.
http://bleacherreport.com/articles/1184899-san-francisco-49ers-why-jim-harbaughs-san-francisco-49ers-will-regress-in-2012
TIM, if you think this blog has turned into useless drivel….well, the Bleacher Report is even worse. I think most agree it’s one of the worst sports blogs in existence.
It’s the perception the NFL has of Smith. No matter what the Excuses crowd in this room says. The only one that can change that perseption is Smith himself.
You know Bay, thank you for clarifying that the excuses/reasons are from the fans as AS doesnt use them, and you are very correct its up to Alex to shut down the noise. Perception sometimes becomes reality.
The Bleacher Report is a joke, but the guy does make some legit points in the article. Smith will be the reason that this team does or doesn’t win the Super Bowl. There is plenty of talent around him. He is surrounded by a great coaching staff and it’s the teams second year in the system. The flip side of that coin is that is will be almost impossible to have the same turnover differential and teams will attack Smith differently. The team will almost assuredly not have the same success without a big jump in offensive production, which is why they went after Manning and upgraded the WR corps. That being said, I like the direction they are headed in and I look forward to Smith showing substantial improvement this year. If he doesn’t, they have an out clause in his contract that will make it easy to move on. I don’t see a prolific season from him, but I don’t see him regressing. It’s Super Bowl or bust in 2012, and I’m all in.
Alex Smith will play a big part in the teams fortunes, but as is so often the case with BR, the writing is garbage and the content nothing but unsubstantiated opinions. The writer from what I gathered in the comments section, is a Raven fan and the entire story seems like it was written by a 12 year old.
Bleacher Report is a fan site where anyone can write an article about any team. It has no credibility whatsoever.
Tim your one of those who don’t think Alex is very good either, WOW what one season did to change your mind.
Tim,
The Bleacher report is correct but late. I said that Smith would have issues getting the ball to our new weapons accurately. He always has and he always will. Footwork won’t make a bit of a difference for Smith. He’s juat not very good. For the 1,000th time. He’s just not very good.
@jordan:
I said that Smith …
You have said a lot of things about Alex Smith, and you have been proven wrong about almost every one of them. For example,
23jordan says:
September 20, 2011 at 8:55 am
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I’ll stop posting here altogether if Alex Smith Is a 49er next year. Write that down and locknot in. He may get benched before the season is over. He will NOT be back here next year.
Don’t you ever get tired of being wrong?
Claude,
I pray the cut and paste feature on your computer is never broken. you’ll be rendered useless on this blog. Bwahahahaha!
jordan:
You just don’t like it when your own words come back to haunt you.
Still want to know what “locknot” is. Maybe it’s a legal loophole since he’s still here. :P
Bay, is it excuses or fact? Why do you confuse the two when debating AS? I guess it’s better to spew hyperbole since you and Jordo have more credibility than JH?!!! Why not just let things play out? MD, who has been very critical of AS previous to 2011, has taken that stance. He even stated in comments that he believes AS will be a top 7 QB this year. Why not focus on the positive?
IWhat Bayarea says is very true imho, that the perception around the League by players and GM’s and writers and fans is ALMOST universally the same about Alex. And it is also true that it is up to Alex to change minds,if he can.
As 49ers fans we should all hope that Alex can and does ! I will be watching his on the field production and play this season in anticipation of a very big change…I hope I am not disappointed ! (again ).
And I have no idea who that guy was who wrote that article and I don’t really care…probably just a wannabe. But his views on Alex is exactly what alex is up against. IMHO Alex didn’t play very well last year,although he did improve. This year he will need to improve a bunch more to change minds. I am pulling for him.
…And I agree Hof,we need to just let things play out and see what actually happens on the field of play. We will not settle anything on a blog,but Alex will settle it on the field. I am content to wait to see how he does before eliminating the possibility from my mind that he might just be triumphant in the end .And I bet Alex is also content with him proving or disproving the perception on the field of play ! What more could Alex ask for,it’s up to him now !
“true imho, that the perception around the League by players and GM’s and writers and fans is ALMOST universally the same about Alex”.
Tim, do you know the difference between fact, your opinion, and hyperbole? There is no fact to back your (or Bay’s) opinion. How do we know what *everyone* in the league thinks universally regarding anything especially AS?!! To state something that outlandish as your opinion turns it into hyperbole. The comment is a broad generalization.
Sorry Hof,I didn’t want to get into all that again. It’s my fault for posting that article.
As far as the “perception” about Alex goes,I don’t think it is debatable that almost every commentator I read or hear who is supposed to know something about football have a low opinion of Alex’s abilities. If you want to debate that then it will be a one sided debate because I don’t feel the need to back up that opinion,since I think it is almost unoiversally accepted by almost everyone.
The about the GM’s…no GM made any offer to Alex when he was a free agent,none. The owner of the Dolphins said Alex wanted to play there but the owner said that Alex wanted too much money for a player who he didn’t even know could win the starting job on his team.
And as far as the players (etc). There are 13 QB’s that were chosen to be in the top 100 players of 2012(NFL Net). Alex was not chosen as one of the top QB’s,so it seems that he is not thought of highly for his play (although I don’t know anyone who doesn’t think highly of him as a man).
That is about as far as I will go to back up what I thought was a pretty universal opinion about Alex’s talents ,so far in the NFL. You don’t agree,so we will agree to disagree on wheather or not it is quite so universal as I think it is. I don’t want to argue with you and I respect your opinion.
We both hope Alex shuts up all the nay sayers ! (me included !). So we can agree on that and move on,I hope.
Good Night Hof ! GO NINERS (ALL THE NINERS !).
“almost every commentator I read or hear who is supposed to know something about football have a low opinion of Alex’s abilities”.
That’s not true. Most reporters or commentators understand his ordeal being drafted as a 20 year old QB savior of the franchise to a talentless 9er team with an inexperienced 1st year HC that didn’t have QB mentorhship skills. They also knew that he had a new OC every year which has led to changes in the NFL regarding how rookie QB’s are now assimilated into their respective team’s organization and system (see CNewton).
Hofer,
Many just don’t think he is very good. The trials and tribulations of Smith’s career are well documented, but after eight seasons many scouts, analysts and football people just don’t think he will ever be a good QB. I’m excited about the upcoming season and I want to see how Smith progresses, but your analysis is not accurate.
The national perception of Alex doesn’t really matter. This year all of the pieces are in place for him to shine. He has everything a quarterback needs to be the real deal.
No more excuses. Get it done or be a full time caddy.
@Hofer:
1. That’s what TIM does. Instead of providing actual support for his positions, he says that all the experts/commentators share his opinion, so it must be right. When asked to provide support for that assertion, he refuses.
2. Here’s a little information on Gordie Gold, the author if the Bleacher Report piece:
I am a sophomore at the University of Michigan and I am from Maryland. I am a huge of the Ravens and I also love the Capitals, Orioles, Wizards, University of Michigan sports and Maryland Terps basketball. I am a fantasy football nut and I have been playing for more than 10 years.
Why does anyone take seriously any “analysis” written on Bleacher Report? Have you ever read anything on that site that was insightful or particularly thoughtful?
3. msclemons is right. Outside perceptions don’t matter. What matters is what happens on the field.
Claude,
National perception will matter next yeae when your idol is looking for a backup QB job! Bwahahahaha!
>>No more excuses. Get it done or be a full time caddy.
Get “what” done? Is your bar Superbowl or nothing? Another trip to the NFC Championshop not good enough? QB rating? Where does he have to be? Top 10? Top 5? Pro Bowl? What in your estimation saves him from your caddie purgatory?
“…that the perception around the League by players and GM’s and writers and fans is ALMOST universally the same about Alex.”
Don’t buy that for a second. There’s no such thing as almost universally the same with anything in life. there’s also zero evidence anywhere for this assumption.
If you’re referring to Smith’s tryout with the Dolphins as a last resort, it was clearly reported that he was late to the party, there were no jobs anywhere – no seats at the table is how one report put it. If you’re referring to a couple of loudmouth bloggers… that’s a fringe group and you know it. Vocal minority. I heard plenty of fans in the stands (those fans that are more important than any other according to some of our more pretentious friends here) cheering last season.
Rubbish.
@Adam
Not quite. DNA/some basic processes are universal in life.
Tim,
The about the GM’s…no GM made any offer to Alex when he was a free agent,none. The owner of the Dolphins said Alex wanted to play there but the owner said that Alex wanted too much money for a player who he didn’t even know could win the starting job on his team
Ok Tim, I want you to provide a link to this story or admit you are full of crap. You continue to state things that you pull out of your butt and pass off as majority opinion, and it’s time you provide proof of your assertions.
If you want to say there are football people out there that don’t think he’s a good QB, that’s fine, but stop with the majority this, or almost all of that stuff. You don’t know what anybody thinks because most either haven’t stated it, or the ones that do are equalled by those who support him in the fact he’s had a rough road to travel and has become a much better player the past 2-3 seasons.
It never ceases to amaze me just how close minded you and some others are about this. It’s like you saw him play with a bad shoulder in year 3, heard the comments of Ron Jaworski, decided he was a lost cause and have ignored anything positive the guy has done for the past 3 years.
He’s not Aaron Rodgers, probably never will be. They aren’t going to get a Cam Newton type of presence from Alex Smith. Get over it and understand that you can win with QB’s like Alex Smith. QB’s who have a strong work ethic and understanding of the game; who put the team before personal glory and have thick skin. Whatever happened to redemption or pullling for the underdog? This guys story is about as big a long shot as there has been in the NFL at his position, but so many fans just want to see him fail. It baffles me.
All I want is for the best players to play. If Kap or Johnson beats him out, I’m fine with that, but if he is the best option, which the Coaching staff believes he is, then why continue to dump on the guy? He was good enough for this team to reach the NFC Championship game after a 6-10 season the year before. It wasn’t all defense no matter how much you want to pretend it was.
You don’t have to love him, but cut the guy a break, at least until somebody beats him out. Is that too much to ask?
@rocket:
What I love is that there are Miami fans who are dead certain that the Dolphins tried to sign Smith, but he rejected them. They speak of it as established fact. No one outside of the Dolphins and Smith know the details of their meeting, but those fans (who already believed that Miami’s ownership/front office was so inept that no one wants to play for the Dolphins) interpreted the few available facts in a way that reinforced their pre-existing belief.
Kind of like the way TIM and others have interpreted the same facts in a contrary way to reinforce their pre-existing beliefs.
Claude,
No doubt. This is the one thing that really annoys me more than anything else. I hate opinions that are passed off as fact. Nothing wrong with stating an opinion; that’s what this forum is for, but don’t try to pretend that you’ve scoured the internet, taken a poll, and deduced that your opinion is somehow more relevant than others and shared by pretty much everybody.
Tim’s been doing this for years and it’s no less annoying now than it was when he started.
rocket, as annoying as it is to have to deal with posters who put forth what they declare as God’s truth, it’s best to treat *everything* written on these pages as “opinion”.
Alex Smith is a curse on the team. He sucks, he’s a loser, a bust, and as long as he’s gone when the regular season starts, I don’t care how it happens.
You sound like all of your childhood dreams came true.
Bitter, Spot?
Cat . > /dev/null
Why is it AES and Adam think they rule the 49ers and think they know everything? I do not understand it. Then AES can not decide if he hates Alex or likes him, that’s hilarious. AES do you have multiple personality disorder? If not what is wrong with you? This guy makes me laugh every time he post something. How long have you been bashing Alex for AES and now you like him. Flip flop as one person called you and a hypocrite. This blog is filled with hypocrites. I do not get this guy, but I do love laughing at him. Thanks for comedy relief AES.
Tim since when were you a Alex supporter, I remember before last season and the season before that, all you did was rip they guy. Now you support him to, funny how quickly people change there mind about someone. I can honestly say I have always supported Alex and saw his talent from year one. But most on here are known for bashing the guy and now they love him. I find that hilarious. So many Alex haters quit turning there back on him because they now see the potential he has, I saw that potential when Norv Turner was in SF. Its funny no one ever bashes Craptree on how much he sucks, I mean the guy doesn’t run the right routes, does not get separation, he can’t beat the press, and he only plays hard 1 out of 20 plays he is on the field. But yet Tim, AES, and Adam have all called him a bust in the past because he had no weapons. Now he has some they want to support him, what changed your mind guys? I guess it was last season right, after bashing him for what 4-6 years. If there is any bust on the 49ers it is Craptree and if he doesnt produce better than he did last year he will not be around much longer and I can not wait to see him go kinda of sorta until he proves he could be a true 1 or 2 receiver, but at best he is just a slot receiver. You guys never bashed him though, but you were quick to jump the gun on Alex and call him a bust. The true busts are Tim, AES, and Adam.
Tim since when were you a Alex supporter, I remember before last season and the season before that, all you did was rip they guy. Now you support him to, funny how quickly people change there mind about someone. I can honestly say I have always supported Alex and saw his talent from year one. But most on here are known for bashing the guy and now they love him. I find that hilarious. So many Alex haters quit turning there back on him because they now see the potential he has, I saw that potential when Norv Turner was in SF. Its funny no one ever bashes Craptree on how much he sucks, I mean the guy doesn’t run the right routes, does not get separation, he can’t beat the press, and he only plays hard 1 out of 20 plays he is on the field. But yet Tim, AES, and Adam have all called *Alex* a bust in the past because he had no weapons. Now he has some they want to support him, what changed your mind guys? I guess it was last season right, after bashing him for what 4-6 years. If there is any bust on the 49ers it is Craptree and if he doesnt produce better than he did last year he will not be around much longer and I can not wait to see him go kinda of sorta until he proves he could be a true 1 or 2 receiver, but at best he is just a slot receiver. You guys never bashed him though, but you were quick to jump the gun on Alex and call him a bust. The true busts are Tim, AES, and Adam.
Don’t forget that if Craptree is open and the ball is thrown to him, he just drops it anyway.
I guess Ti has the inside scoop to the top 100 players, considering there releasing the 60 or 61-70 tomorrow. But Tim knows it all just like Adam and AES.
SO MANY ALEX HATERS TURNED INTO ALEX LOVERS
FACT….The first year the show sports science came out, they did a thing on all the qbs in the NFL. They took every pass that the qbs threw and analyzed it from game tapes. They found that Alex was the most accurate qb in the NFL. Thats even with the ints he threw, the drop balls by his receivers….but if the ball wouldnt have been int or dropped it would have been right on target to his WR. That’s right ore accurate than any other qb in the NFL…including Brees, the Mannings, Brady, Rodgers, Rivers, Palmer and anyone else you can think of.
Dude… Take 10. Please.
Jons Niners,
Bwahahahahahaha!
@Jons Niners 49:
If you are going to make claims like that, you have to support them. Otherwise, you lose all credibility. If you can provide a link, you should do so.
I guess your to lazy to look it up yourself right, just goes to show how lame you are but i will try to find it for you.
@Jons Niners 49:
Why should I do your work for you? It’s your credibility that’s at stake.
The absolute absurdity of the Smithers drove me away from this blog for quite some time. The final straw was some guy using stats from Football Outsiders to attempt to prove Smith was more accurate than Tom Brady – if you factor in drops, poor o-line play, lack of receivers getting open, or basically any excuse one might need to make so Alex looks good. So I left for awhile and the very first post I read when I came back right before the draft was that Smith is a better QB than Peyton Manning and Aaron Rodgers. Obviously, I took another break and this is the first story I’ve read in awhile. Now this guy is claiming Sports Science proved Alex Smith is the most accurate QB in the NFL. Where do you people come from? Is there some asylum where Nurse Cratchit is feeding people hallucinagenic Alex Smith pills.
Just so you know – Alex Smith is an average to below average QB. As a free agent, he got ABSOLUTELY ZERO attention from other NFL teams. He was available to sign with the Dolphins but they’d rather have Matt Moore than Alex Smith. That must have been a bitter pill to swallow for the most accurate QB in the NFL.
Wasn’t football outsiders. It was Stats. And it was a comparison of drops and poor throws as a percentage of incompletions. Highlight percentage.
Facts are facts.
@Adam
How about these facts: red-zone and 3rd down efficiency and being below the Mendoza line in yardage? Let’s not cherry pick stats to make AS look good. The fact is that AS is – at best – average.
@Nickrow:
Let’s not cherry pick stats to make AS look good.
Right, we can only cherry pick stats to make him look bad.
By the way ZERO means nothing.
AS went to Miami. Perhaps it was to help teach Le Brown James to pass it. But, I somehow think he met with the Dolphins.
Just guessing.
And to show your pure ignorance, every non AS hater, objective reporter said the same thing about AS’s interest in FA. Every team knew he would resign with the Niners, and didn’t want to be used as leverage to get the Niners to pay him more. Plus, you have to be stupid as I’ll get out to think AS didn’t want to come back here. So, he isn’t shopping his services around when he wants to stay.
Had he done so, he would have gotten a lot more than Matt Flynn.
Houston 9er, if we can put up with the likes of Jordo and his ilk, you can put up with just about anything. One poster (or point of view) does not make a blog.
BTW, sounds like your point of view is pretty one sided as well.
No cherry picking anything, Nick. Those stats are attributable to the QB not the entire offense. It is what it is. You all don’t like the stats, write the stats keepers.
I’ve never tried to argue that Smith is Hall of Famer. Those are the nuts on the other side of the fence.
Just keeping it real. I don’t understand the delusional hatred of the guy (delusional as defined by people making assumptions and generalizations in to facts.)
Facts are facts.
Adam we are still trying to get all the haters to come up with the list of Smithers who have ever said that Alex Smith is a hall of famer, better or equal to Brees, Manning, and Brady, most accurate and overall best QB ever to play.
Apparently the haters believe that some bloggers have said all these things but have yet to identify who they are so if you know who these other people on the other side of the fence are, please share?
So Adam if facts are facts why don’t you ever bring up Alex’s terrible stats on 3rd down? Or his passing yardage numbers which rank him in the bottom of the league. Those are just stats after all.
I wouldn’t say my opinion is one-sided. I would say I’m objective. Alex is the best QB on the roster. Alex is an average QB at best. The problem is the dopes who come on these sites and make outrageous claims that Alex is the most accurate passer in the NFL, or Alex is more accurate than Tom Brady, or Alex is better than Manning and Rodgers. The people who make those claims have to twist stats or outright lie to prove their points. Just watch the man play. He’s average. Only average. Nothing less. Nothing More. Them’s the facts as I see them.
We can certainly discuss TEAM woes on third down. My original discussion had to do with comparing incompletions (one QB to another – because it was interesting).
http://hosted.stats.com/fb/playerstats.asp?id=7177&team=25
@houston
“Them’s the facts as I see them.”
Facts are not opinions. “As I see them” is an opinion. Nothing to do with facts.
@Houston:
But somehow, the commenters who make absurd claims about how Smith sucks, how the 49ers cannot win games with him as QB, etc. don’t bother you. The commenters who twisted stats or outright lied to prove their point that Smith is no good didn’t drive you to leave. Somehow, only those who think that Smith is better than you do are unbearable.
It sure seems like you just don’t like it when people disagree with you.
By the way, out of curiosity, who wrote that “Alex is the most accurate passer in the NFL,” “Alex is more accurate than Tom Brady,” and “Alex is better than Manning and Rodgers”? I assume that if they were enough to make you leave the blog, you’ll remember the comments well enough to remember who made them.
Just watch the man play.
I did, and I thought he played better in 2011 than I’d ever seen him play before. Did you not see the same thing? And that was just in the first year with Harbaugh without the benefit of any OTAs. I also saw plenty of reasons to be optimistic about 2012.
It’s interesting everyone throws out the accolades and supports JH unless it is regarding his starting QB. AS finally has the combination of coaching and talent in his favor in 2012. Let it play out.
BTW, redzone and 3rd down efficiency results are a collective and collaborative effort of three main things – playcalling, running, and throwing. AS has his responsibilities as does the OL, RB’s, TE’s and WR’s. They’ll be a top 10 offense this year.
Hofer,
Going from 29th to top 10 is quite a leap. If our defense and special teams keep playing like they did in 2011, a jump into the top 20 should be enough to get them into the Super Bowl. That jump seems a bit more realistic.
@DS
“Le Brown James”? That’s not right. I’m not sure if you meant it, but it sounds racist.
Jack,
I hear you. But clearly with JMorg out and VD’s blocking talents to help supplement the OL, you had TG, MC, and KW at WR. FG and KH did a superb job at RB but more speed out of the backfield was needed. The OL has been beefed up and should be stronger with DK, AB, and JLoo. Now there is RM, MM, MC, AJ Jenkins, VD, DW, FG, KH, BJac, and LJ. I can see specific packages for these talented guys a la BW. The team will be required to be more explosive and the play calling will be better. Yes I can see moving up 19 spots with a full offseason to work and talented players to execute. Absolutely.
I hope you are right. That type of improvement would almost guarantee a Super Bowl.
Houston,
There are outrageous claims made from both sides of the Alex Smith debate. For every “I think he’s better than Manning” there is a “Josh Johnson was brought in to be the starter.”
It goes both ways. As for the stat comparisons, both sides can also cherry pick the stats they like to back up their argument. The truth is, stats never tell the whole story because they are subjective. If a QB is behind in games, that team will be passing more to catch up leading to more 300-400 yard games. How many times were the Niners way behind in a game last season where they had to go balls out in the passing game to catch up?
Passing yards are meaningless in comparing the effectiveness of a QB. 3rd down production is a much better indicator of an offenses effectiveness but you can’t put it all on the QB. How do you account for the times they ran on 3rd down and didn’t pick it up? Or when a receiver drops a ball? How about when the pass protection breaks down and he is under siege the minute he takes the last step of his dropback?
Alex Smith was to blame for some of the 3rd down problems for sure, but you can’t single him out and use it as a basis for a contention that he is not very good.
All I’d like to see is for both sides to understand that there is truth in both views, but it’s not black and white. Whether some choose to believe it or not, Alex Smith is not the sole indicator of offensive success, he just gets all the blame.
Typo Nick. I assure you.
Here’s what prompted my original post…
“Thats even with the ints he threw, the drop balls by his receivers….but if the ball wouldnt have been int or dropped it would have been right on target to his WR. That’s right ore accurate than any other qb in the NFL…including Brees, the Mannings, Brady, Rodgers, Rivers, Palmer and anyone else you can think of.”
Kind of absurd in the extreme don’t you think. I don’t hear the Smith bashers make such absurd claims.
Oh, and why wouldn’t I get mad when people disagree with me. I am always right after all.
“For every “I think he’s better than Manning” there is a “Josh Johnson was brought in to be the starter.””
Exactly right. Some silly extremes on each side of the old bell curve. :P
Houston, you’ve been here a long time and should know there are extremes on both sides of the AS debate that use hyperbole (and not facts) as their argument. I know it’s very easy to get caught up in a debate with the extremists but sometimes it’s better to walk away knowing M.O. and the party line.
I’ve supported AS day one for one reason and that is he was thrown to the wolves and the majority of the poor play blame was put on him. It should have been the lions share of the blame of ownership for hiring HC’s with very little experience and not knowing how to best tutor a very young rookie QB. The ownership who assumed the role, also moved away from their blueprint for success – an offensive minded HC in the mold of BW. All they had to do was go into the archives and blow the dust off of the BW blueprint for winning. They eventually did that as we know.
Now with JH in tow and his starting QB getting to re-start his career, all arrows are up!
Houston,
Glad you keep coming back – it is hard to read some of posts on here without blowing up a keyboard or two. :-)
Hahaha! Hey ‘oneAlex’ looks like you decided to keep one of your weekend personalities (jons niners 49). The hits just keep coming with you don’t they?
Don’t worry, i’m not going to interfere with your demented ‘fatal attraction’ of Alex Smith no matter how many alias’ you use son.
You can turn “Cybil” on us all you want, we know who you are bud.
It’s nice to see your ‘twin’ DS, the self promoting blog moral monitor step up and be fair in his/her critique of you for not keeping it about football. Good looking out DS, “you da (oh well, you insert).”
OBTW, I love Alex Smith! (lol)
Time to go make some money, c-ya!
Nice 500th comment. I see you’ve taken my suggestion seriously.
Seems evident that you can’t take your own suggestions either DS.
While on one hand you want us to stop and not bring the blog down, on the other hand you make it a point to reference me (a cheap shot) in your convo yesterday with MD.
C’mon DS, you’ve sunk to low to ever be the moral compass around here. If you are really honest about stopping all this, then STOP!
If you can’t, hey, i’m always good for a few laughs with the likes of ‘oneAlex’ and his team of many personalities (lol).
@AES
“If you are really honest about stopping all this, then STOP! ”
Stop what? You are not a slave owner. I am not your slave.
Then STOP bringing me into your personal issues with others. Truly sad how you’ve mutated these past few months. Thinking that you 0wn me and can tell me who I can/can’t interact with. Then you say I defend his every post. You don’t even read them! I agree with the ones I agree with and disagree with the ones I disagree with. Just like I do with everybody else I read.
For crying out loud. Get over yourself for a day. You used to be relatively moderate. Now, you are just like 23J. Just see any post of oneniner and you bring me into it and sling material not so unlike what you say one slings at you. Onenienr was once clearly the one throwing such insults around more than you. Now….you are about even. And you are lower than that because you bring me into it. Where did I write anything to Jons Niners 49 in the past 6 hours which tells you I support his stance? Yet, my name appears once again.
WHY DON’T YOU STOP BRINGING ME INTO YOUR TEMPER TANTRUMS? I told you I stay out of the fights you have with oneniner. But you can’t keep me out of the fights you have with him. One isn’t bringing me into issues he has with you. You though have sunk so low, that you do.
@ds
So take Adams advice and stop responding, just stick to football, how hard is that?
@txtree
See my post below at 9:08 am.
Bs, I mean DS. You asked AES to stop doing something that youve been doing since your 1st disagreement with Bay on this blog. You create example of something begative and then you start naming individuals you disagree with. I’d wake up out of my sleep and read your posts with my name in them. So you are the pot calling the kettle black. Dishing it out and not being able to take it.
Poor kid.
Drama.
@Adam
I am tired of AES bringing me up in every single post about oneniner. He does so, even when I disagree with oneniner. Only this time, it wasn’t even oneniner. AES is so diluted and so full of hate of one, that it is really sad.
If AES has issues with oneniner, he sure wusses his way into it by bringing me up all the time. Don’t bring me up as some sort of ammo against oneniner or me. That is truly pathetic.
It is very tiresome. AES needs to grow up and keep individual bloggers separate from one another.
So? Don’t respond to him. The other ones that bully you, don’t respond to them either. What are they gonna do about it? Zip.
Who cares?
Or… maybe you all can exchange personal e-mail addresses (maybe Grant would help you out – he has access to those) and you all can carry on your quarrels in private?
There’s more drama here than there is with a bunch of teen-age girls texting each other on the eve of the homecoming dance.
It’s icky. I feel dirty and need a shower.
Talk football.
@Adam
If they (others) don’t bring up my name, I don’t reply. I simply ask that AES keeps his issues with oneniner to oneniner only. Not that difficult a request. Why can’t AES follow this simple request?
If there was an ignore button, I’d use it on AES now.
I will do my best though to follow your suggestion. But, please realize that AES keeps stirring the pot. I have my own issues with other bloggers here. I don’t need to be brought into ones that I have no beef with. People who are doing that are not helping to make this blog a better place. If you have “issues” with somebody, don’t involve others who don’t.
Now that is over with. Let’s talk football.
Adam,
you are trying to tell someone that is a bit “off” to take the high road. None of your business if I am male/female/alien.
Tells people what to write, how to think.
Uses school ground dirt lot childhood games as referenced experience.
Volume posts EVERY DAY.
Has told the blog writer on many occasions what is proper for him to write and what isn’t.
The final straw for me is, “it” contacted Grant to have my post removed because I referenced “it’s” publicly displayed Xbox live name.
My favorite though is the agreement “it” enters into. It started with one blogger and has grown into several bloggers now that have this agreement. The, “you ignore my posts and I won’t read your posts” agreement. Love that one.
Now as far as the AS thing is concerned. Most of the football world I believe accurately classifies AS as decent. Not good, not great. He’s a C+. This year they surrounded him with weapons to eliminate every excuse possible. EVERY ONE. IMO if he doesn’t take a huge step forward, it’s truly his last chance. At least I hope so.
“He’s a C+”
I’d probably go C+ / B- somewhere in there. I think that’s fair. I’d say he’s high fair, low good. Something like that.
I think he showed some things last season. Enough to take another look. He made some nice plays.
If it’s good it’s good. If not, we’ll all move along.
No worries :)
bay, bay, go away
Literally.
Don’t talk about me. Stop thinking about me. Ignore me.
That X box stuff, was not obtained legally bay. I never gave anybody any rights to post my stuff. Public does not equal legal.
@ds
Sane advice about bay. He is what he is….
Just let it go, and keep it on football.
@txtree
That Xbox stuff is personal information. Not something I ever gave permission to be in public. Microsoft does not share that information. Neither do I.
“He’s a C+”
That is a pretty fair grade Bay. He is slightly above average, and with the additional weapons they have surrounded him with hopefully he can step up to the B range this year.
@ds
and you keep bringing it up, which just lets bay know he is getting to you. If it was found via the public domain, you may not have much you can do about it. If he obtained it illegally, then you have recourse.
@txtree
It has zilch to do with “getting to me”. It has 100% to do with the fact that some loser stalker who has no life went on the internet and found my Xbox stuff on the internet which was never legally obtained and continues to reference/discuss it. XBox has nothing to do with football or the Niners either txtree.
That is what it has to do with. I don’t look for anybody here outside of here. That is what stalkers do. And if somebody tells you not to link such informtion/discuss it,and you continue to do so, you are not “getting at them”. You’re just a first class jerk.
DS,
You calling others a first class jerk is hilarious. You have talked about my wife, children and screen name many times on this blog. You can dish it out, but you can’t take it. The fact that you have to cry to Grant about your Xbox live account is hilarious. I don’t even remember who originally posted the Xbox profile, but it is precious. As far as being obtained illegally, you should read your Xbox Live service agreement. There is an opt-out. You will be able to hide Princess Xev-il-icous from public view. You didn’t have a problem deleting the other profile that said you were male.
Big P,
it is hilarious. It is also “legal” public information. But here is the kicker, I didn’t search it. Someone else posted it on this site. That is how I heard of the name.
I just like to see the know it all squirm…..
I don’t understand why it is you all can’t just ignore each other.
There should be a nice easy way to say: “I disagree with your football analysis.” Yes? And just leave it at that? This can’t be that hard.
Anyway… How about some football talk? Anyone, anyone, Buehler?
Yes Adam? There is a lot of football talk on this blog, if you don’t slow down you might just miss it. Which subject would you care to discuss first?
@Adam
2 simple requests
1. Don’t go looking for any personal information of anybody else on this blog.
2. Direct your anger towards the person who got you angry, and not the person who has actually disagreed with said person recently.
Those are 2 very simple requests. A Pre-K squealing child could follow them. If those 2 things are followed, things get better. And I do ignore a lot. If others did as well (does not work unless the other side ignores it as well Adam) then things get very easy going and no drama.
DS94everXev says:
May 16, 2012 at 9:24 am
That X box stuff, was not obtained legally bay. I never gave anybody any rights to post my stuff. Public does not equal legal.
Lmao!!! You’re kidding right? It’s ok ds, I play Xbox too. I wouldn’t give a crap if someone posted it up… Then again I’m not stuck between being a man, woman, or alien. Just sayin..
+1
I am reading through this whole string and cannot stop laughing!!!
Great another person to add get adding gas to the flames…..
Glad to have you and your sense of humor back 49erGirl.
@txtree
No concern. Like you said about bay. They are who they are. Don’t bring up personal data, I’m fine.
9ergirl,
This is the reason I took your approach for about a week plus and took a break from this blog and felt much better for it. I enjoy this group/blog but the drama has killed it. There should be a limited number of comments per user/blog article.
Now back to football…
It’s funny stuff Txtree…funny, funny stuff.
(you can’t hear it but I’m doing an impersonation of Dana Carvey impersonating Johnny Carson :-)
“That waaass shum weird and wacky, wild shtuff.”
Thanks Jack :-)
Hof, the blog didn’t drive me away – I’ve just got so much going on at home and work that I can hardly see straight.
But, I whole heartedly agree that there should be a limit to the number of posts per day…..maybe even a limit on the number of characters per post :-).
The approach of being busy kept me away also – not a bad thing! LOL
Big P, at least man-up and say you posted the info about DS first. At least that’s how I remember it. I remember because I thought it was seriously over the line.
The bullies are at it again on Grant’s blog. But I will admit, the commentors are the reason 95% of the people visit the site. It’s the Housewives of Sonoma with some 49er info sprinkled in.
I didn’t post anything first. I don’t remember who shared the link, but it was hilarious. I have posted the link after insults from DS, I have no problem admitting it. Many others have as well. Did you find it over the line when she made comments about my wife, children, genitals and sexual performance? You should probably know the whole story before making comments.
Big P, there is so much over the line on this blog…. it’s a train wreck. The fact that you think a middle school prank is hilarious – well we just have a different sense of humor.
I’ve read the stuff he has posted about your screen name, but to be honest, I don’t remember a specific comment about the other things you mention or it just blurred in with all the other stuff on the blog. It would not surprise me if he did. Nothing surprises me on this blog. And how the PD lets some of these comments remain on this blog is amazing. And yet, here I am. Like the car crash you can’t turn away from.
Like I said, you would have to know the history of the comments to understand them. The profile link was funny because DS claimed to be a dude and referenced her own ability to dive for catches in elementary school as justification to rip Crabtree.
And I said Luke Kuechly wouldn’t be a top-10 pick because I can beat him in a race. People make mistakes. Let the xbox live thing go. You can rib him in other ways if that’s what you want to do.
Big P,
I enjoy reading your 49er related comments. You bring a neutral, unbiased opinion to the blog that is appreciated. Take care.
its funny most disagreements will eventually be settled on the field but regardless of how well or how poorly AS plays this yr for many of you on this blog it wo’nt settle anything. the AS haters will tell you that although we won the super bowl it had nothing to do with AS and he actually made us a worse team and without him not only would we have won the SB but we would have won the world series. the blind alex supporters will tell us if we finish out of the playoffs that it was in no way alex’s responsibilty it was the O line it was the WR it was the play calling and with any help at all we would have broken the dolphins undefeated record and the mindless screaming will continue. god help us all and go 9ers
@coach
Lol; I feel your pain, but at least we’re not debating whether Cody Pickett should be starting over Ken Dorsey! Its getting better.
cody pickett was a hell of a rodeo cowboy and probably a better OG than chilo
Amen, Brotha.
I like the trio of Smith, Johnson, and Kaepernick. I hope Alex shows progress this year – with the improved WR core, a full off-season with a QB coach, and a second year with a real OC I’m hoping for the best.
But, if he gets hurt or regresses I’m loving the fact that there are two young, eager QB’s who are ready to step in at any moment.
Have some high hopes for this upcoming season!!!
Well said 9ergirl!!
Old Coach,
on a scale of 1-10 where do you rate these QB’s
Rex Grossman
Jim McMahon
Trent Dilfer
Brad Johnson
See, to me these guys are all crap. They are all guys that rode on the coat tails of great defenses to reach the SB.
There are some especially in this room that were ready to crown Smith elite bases on how far our defense took the team this year. Along those lines, if you are going to judge a QB’s success in terms of making it to the super bowl, then these QB’s are successful QB’s. And their franchises should have been loyal to them, given them long term contracts and not attempted to upgrade their QB spots.
BTW here is how I rank them on a scale of 1-10
Rex Grossman 5
Jim McMahon 6
Trent Dilfer 5
Brad Johnson 6.5
my point was’nt that if smith got us to the super bowl that would make him an outstanding QB by it self. its that regardless of how well he does there are many on this blog who would still criticize him because if they did’nt they would have to admit they were wrong and those words do’nt seem to come from many of those on this blog and converesly it works the same for the blind alex defenders also.
OC,
Bay knew what you were saying he is just twisting into more negativity. AS NFL career started January of 2011 when a well qualified HC took the reins of your SF 49ers. I’m not looking at any stats prior to 2011 for any player especially MC and AS. Now their careers start!
Hofer,
If AS’s career started Jan 2011, how do you explain his production being at the same level as it was in 2009-10? His interceptions went down, but everything else is almost identical.
Jack,
Not disagreeing. I’m checking AS progression now with a legit HC with a plan/program/system and see how AS grows as a QB. If he had JH in 2005, this blog may be as dead as a doornail without the obligatory AS articles.
If JH was the coach in 2005 we would have picked Aaron Rogers….
Old Coach hit the nail on the head:
its that regardless of how well he does there are many on this blog who would still criticize him because if they did’nt they would have to admit they were wrong
I completely agree with this point. Some have gone so far down the Alex sucks road they feel they can’t come back the other way, and it’s too bad because I think it takes away a lot of the enjoyment every 9er fan should be experiencing with the resurgence of this team.
@Bay:
If JH was the coach in 2005 we would have picked Aaron Rogers….
I hope that was an attempt at humor. You have no way of knowing that. None.
Bay, more likely they would have traded for PManning. LMAO!
Bay,
If JH was the coach in 2005 we would have picked Aaron Rogers….
Possibly, but not likely. Roders dropped for a reason. He didn’t interview that well because of his attitude being cocky, and he had the stigma of being a Jeff Tedford Coached QB, who didn’t have many successes in the NFL
Revisionist history doesn’t change the fact Smith was viewed as the better prospect coming out of College. Hasn’t turned out that way, but that’s the NFL.
“they did’nt they would have to admit they were wrong”
There’s an old adage that has been reused and repeated in business for many years now…”I’d rather be right than rich” – those that are knowers versus learners – think about it!
@ Rocket,
there is one huge difference between the two sides. The side that doesn’t care for Smith has never seen him succeed as a QB. They have never seen him take a huge step forward professionally. Just basing my judgement on performance I’ve never seen any consistent sustained growth from Smith. Definitely nothing that warrants long term loyalty from me as a fan.
The other side fights for him not based on what he’s done, but their perceived potential for him to do more. They have no proof, only faith that Smith can do more. They also regularly list 7 years of detailed excuses as to why success has not been achieved which BTW is an admission of lacking success.
I guess based on that notion Bayarea clown is that both sides have no clue as to who or what Alex is capable of. Hence my point, its much more exciting and entertaining to cheer and be an optimistic fan and believe in the direction the 49ers are headed in, which includes Smith and the other player surrounding him, as opposed to being negative, critical and foreshadowing everything about Alex as can’t, won’t and never will. Enjoy your negative world pal!
Bay,
I guess it’s in the eye of the beholder, but personally, I’ve seen big time improvement from Smith since he took over in the Houston game 3 years ago. Not to say he’s been a probowler or anything, but he came back from two shoulder surgeries and has consistently improved each season since that time.
As for succeeding, I’d say a 14 win season isn’t too shabby. This is part of what I’m talking about in looking at this objectively. It’s fine if you aren’t impressed with his consistency, because up to this point he hasn’t been, but he’s played well enough for this team to win some ball games and I think that gets overlooked in favor of stats sometimes.
As to the loyalty issue, doesn’t every fan just want to see the team win? I mean at it’s core, isn’t that what all of us want? If so, we finally got that taste back last season and I don’t care who the QB is, I just want it to continue. Right now, the team views Smith as the best option at QB for that to continue. I’m loyal to winning and if Smith is the guy they think can deliver that, I’m on board with it.
@Bay:
The side that doesn’t care for Smith has never seen him succeed as a QB.
… and that’s where your credibility takes a big hit. If you cannot admit that Smith succeeded last year, then you are just being stubborn. Forget about 13-3, re-watch the Philly game, re-watch the regular season game against the Giants, re-watch the Saints game, etc. The man enjoyed meaningful success last year.
@Bay
Why not just say the “The offense rides the coattails” instead of “Alex rides coattails” ?
I am in the wait and see crowd, AS never have a better situation to prove himself. But no one here, including GC, has provided any stats that show the running game is all the great in 3rd downs and RZ.
“Just basing my judgement on performance I’ve never seen any consistent sustained growth from Smith. Definitely nothing that warrants long term loyalty from me as a fan.
The other side fights for him not based on what he’s done, but their perceived potential for him to do more.”
Bay, let me ask a simple question, what does JH and staff (their judgment) see in AS?
“…perceived potential…”
This is where this whole arguments lives.
Nobody (on any side of this argument) knows what will happen next and perception is not reality.
We ALL have opinions. Sometimes we’re right, sometimes we’re wrong (unless you’re Jordy, he’s wrong all the time – j/k, Bud :P). The thing I try not to do is live in the land of absolutes.
I freely admit, Smith may be great this season, he may be the same, or he may fall on his face and I DON’T have a crystal ball to tell which it is. It’s all part of the human drama on the field and part of the reason we all watch. If we knew what was going to happen, there’d be no need to watch any of it! :P
Do I hope he plays great and we win a Superbowl? Of course. But I like redemption stories and positive thinking. So with that, I also hope Crabs and Kyle Williams are able to get some payback for last year and have better seasons.
Adam, exactly! It’s not what your, Bay’s, or my perceived value/judgement is of AS – it is JH and staff – what do they see in him(?). Yes I’m an AS supporter but I’m more a fan of JH and he’s sticking with the same starting QB as last year.
@Albert S
This link gets you pretty close to what you are looking for
http://www.ninersnation.com/2012/2/10/2789959/niners-3rd-downs-it-aint-pretty-any-way-you-slice-it
@DS9
I saw it, that and serveral other more balanced writeups on the topic. More insight than the “Alex rides coattails”, “Alex doesn’t deserve cookies” crowd would wanted.
Bay,
Interesting, but which NFL QB would be a zero on your ten point scale?
Preach on Bay… It’s kind of funny but I do recall chants from the smither side for new coaches and other players in the past who weren’t up to par… This year it’s recievers. I wonder why smith gets the golden pass for all these years and none of the stated above did… Hmmmmm I guess we can label them “haters” for wanting more in a position.
MD, your the one that said AS would be a top 7 QB!! Are you playing both sides or just responding to an extremist? LOL
No drama, Adam. That’s my quota for the day (lol).
And that their opinion is fact and everyone else is not a fan.
good article on jason slowey on sfgate
Thanks OC.
Here’s a link to a Greg Roman interview:
http://www.49ers.com/media-gallery/audio/Greg-Roman-on-KNBR/c6d3eb4e-6149-4071-89ee-b3338ba64411
Midwest, thanks for posting the link!
Nice. Thanks! :)
No problem guys. I just found a good article on Alex Smith. Seems like somebody else noticed a difference in how Smith throws.
http://www.csnbayarea.com/football-san-francisco-niners/niners-talk/Alex-Smith-then-and-now-?blockID=708888&feedID=5936
Injuries often change basic mechanics. It is interesting that once DBrees and TBrady reached elite status that they are still working with THouse ongoing to improve their mechanics. Not a one time fix. Very much like JR – continue to get better.
I’m interested to hear what House has to say tonight.
@9ergirl i also really like out trio of qb’s . i feel better about the position then i have in yrs and i would’nt totally count out tolzien like AS and CK tolzien could make a quantum leap with a full yr with harbaugh
Sorry things were so controversial.
Heere’s another great article, well written and informative. some guy name Branch. this kid out of Oregon could be a real find…
http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/article.cgi?f=/c/a/2012/05/15/SP261OI9UM.DTL
@bay let me preface my comments with this statement. i am no alex smith lover i was ready to get rid of him after the 2010 season and i thought harbaugh was making a huge mistake tieing his wagon to smith but when you say smith did’nt improve last yr i just ca’nt figure out what you are watching. smith was terrible, his decision making, key fumbles and key interception repeatedly killed us in the past. if he had played the same way last yr as his previous yrs he would have cost us 5 or 6 wins not only would we have not made the playoffs we would have been 500 or under. his 4th quarter play was greatly improved. now saying all that i think he needs to continue improving this yr to keep his job at the end of the yr. i think he needs to throw for at least 500 more yards this yr. i think he needs to throw 5 to 10 more td’s this yr. without increasing his ints by more than 5 or 6. he needs to be more efficent in the redzone and on 3rd downs. i believe if he does’nt improve most of those areas we might be seeing JJ or CK at the start of the 2013 season
Agreed on all fronts Coach.
Coach,
I agree with you. The issue isn’t with me. Try getting Oneniner, Prime, Hofer or DS to agree to that?
And by the way, you didn’t just list one area of improvement, you listed several. How many QB’s have you seen after year 7 improve across the board significantly? The odds are stacked against the kid.
Bay, I’ll agree with anything JH does on offense this year. How about you?
As long as anything doesn’t mean Peyton Manning.
BigP, as you know that is past news – this is about the winning future. If JH prefers the play of JJ or CK so be it. They are younger and can grow with a young talented team. Go 9ers!
I said after last season that I expected Smith to improve with a second year in the system and more talent around him. I also said that I believed that Harbaugh would upgrade the position if the opportunity presented itself, which I didn’t think it would. You agreed with me at the time. When Harbaugh went after Manning, you didn’t want any part of it. You said you would rather go with Kaepernick then Manning. That is why it’s hard to take you serious when you say you are in agreement with anything JH does on offense this year.
I for one hope that Smith is the starting QB the entire 2012 season, because that would mean the team is winning and that is the bottom line.
I agree.
“When Harbaugh went after Manning, you didn’t want any part of it. You said you would rather go with Kaepernick then Manning.
I haven’t deviated from that thought. I said at the time (many times for those with Armadillo thick skulls) that I would prefer a young QB that grows in alignment with the youthful young talent. That is how franchises are created (see N.E, N.O., Pitt, SF). Plus there is not one successful QB at 36 that has moved on and been successful with another team if success is equated as a SB.
Time to again focus on who is here…
A few of my 49er friends didn’t want the 49ers to sign Manning due to the risk of injury. I was full behind it as I thought it was a risk worth taking. Time will tell how Manning holds up in Denver.
I’m ok with Smith starting at QB and concur with JackHammer that if Alex is the starter all year, the 49ers are winning which is the bottom line.
“I for one hope that Smith is the starting QB the entire 2012 season, because that would mean the team is winning and that is the bottom line.
Jack, I couldn’t agree more and that is why I don’t get this negativity from Bay and company.
Harbaugh thought it was best for the team. You didn’t, so when you say you will agree with anything Harbaugh does on offense this year, you are contradicting yourself.
BigP, JH also said perception isn’t reality. Move on…
Hof,
That was right before free agency, I believe.
Hofer,
With Bay there are some good and some bad points when it comes to Smith. This morning he gave him a C+ grade which is far from that which a so-called hater would give.
When a thread starts to go crazy with Smith it is often much better to move along. Harbaugh has named him as the starter so not supporting him means not supporting the team, but I don’t understand how pointing areas that someone can improve on makes you a hater, but I digress.
Jack, I don’t understand your comment(??). I’ve never used the word hater with any of the extremists such as Bay or Jordo.
My take is that Bay can’t understand WHY JH continues to see AS as the future and it befuddles Bay. He asks for our assessment and often questions our positive replies, but it is not up to us. JH is a sharp QB evaluator by all accounts. He sees more positives than negatives and has named AS the starting QB for 2012. If Bay doesn’t agree with JH’s assessment and decision, there is nothing anyone on this blog can do about it regardless of Bay’s frustration.
I understand it is time yet again to move off the AS subject. But looking at the comments, you can only guess who re-started the conversation all over again.
Hofer,
I know, there are others on here that throw that at anyone who shares a critical comment about AS, which is what I was referring to.
@Hofer
Old Coach made some very good points regarding the current QB situation and areas where AS should improve this year. You, my friend, did a good job of diverting the argument to “I believe JH, do you”? Are you a politician by any chance?
OC, difficult to disagree with your assessment. I’ll follow the man that has the expertise and calls the shots – JH will make any changes necessary to keep this team winning.
hofer i agree jh knows what he’s doing just about everytime i disagree with him he proves me wrong
Agree and I enjoy reading your comments!!
I fully agree OC and Hof ! JH will do whatever he can do to put the best team on the field. I think for the first time in a long time we can rest in the fact that JH will play the players that at that moment will give the team the best chance to win games. In the past Sing and Nolan would not play some of the younger players,even if they were ready to contribute and even when the vet in front of them was doing poorly or just doing ok.
JH may not have the options he wants at every position right now,but if they become available he will TRY to go get them if he can or if they are already on the roster and just learning and maturing,he will get them in when they clearly overtake the vet.
Baalke and JH seem like fans best friends. And where the options are not quite what they hope for long term JH will coach them up and have them playing their best football,until their replacement is ready.
” The Niners got fast receivers who can beat single coverage. At the end of last season if a team double covered Vernon Davis it shut down the Niners pass game. Michael Crabtree, the split end, couldn’t consistently beat the press coverage, so most defenses could shut him down with just one defensive back. ”
AS has only had 2 fast receivers to throw to who could beat single coverage, Antonio Bryant who was his primary receiver during Alex’s sophomore season under Norv Turner and VD who has become his primary receiver, but he had to stay on the line and block during his first 2-3 seasons because the O-line was horrible!
Maybe that’s why: Alex Smith is a QB who’s partial to the checkdown!
This year, those Alexcuses will be gone, so we’ll find out what kind of QB Alex Smith really is.
AAAAAAAAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA! Another who thinks Alice has hit her ceiling.
imo i am expecting the #18 comment will pertain to AS
Looks like you hit your ceiling too, there Period.
That dude is a “fantasy” analyst. Enough said.
Poor Adam, extreme Smither. You’ll see.