Carlos Rogers spoke on KNBR Thursday evening. Tom Tolbert asked Rogers if he felt sorry for Alex Smith. Here’s what Rogers said.
Q: Knowing what Alex Smith has gone through here in San Francisco, and seeing what he’s done, and seeing what he had to go through to get to the NFC Championship game and then being the fifth rated passer this year in the NFL, do you sit back and think I know how he feels, and I can sympathize with a guy like that, who had to go through what he had to go through and then got relegated to second string because he got hurt?
ROGERS: “I sat around and thought about that. I looked at it many different ways, just on how Alex feels.
“No.1, this is a business. We can’t never mistake that this is a business. Coaches, owners, players – you’re going to do what’s best for yourself, what’s best for the team, what’s best for your family. One thing I was always taught when I first got in the game is you’re going to love the game – you love playing football, you’ve been doing it since, I mean, I was eight – but the game don’t love you back like you think it do. It’s nothing against nobody – that’s just how it is. It’s a business.
“I felt bad for Alex and what he’s been going through in San Fran in his years, but you can look at it different ways:
“Alex has been going through a lot.
“Alex has had a lot of chances that some other players, some other coaches, some other quarterbacks would never get.
“Just being in Washington where they talked about how bad Alex was – and I don’t know, I was on the outside looking in – he’s still here. They still stuck with Alex. A lot of people never would have got them chances. They talking about how bad you are, how bad you been playing or how bad the team is – being that he was a top pick – they usually get rid of those players. They usually get rid of those quarterbacks. And this organization, this team has stuck with Alex throughout thick and thin.
“And now, it’s just a decision that Coach made. He was a quarterback. He played for years. He knows quarterbacks and he’s with those guys. That was his decision. I’m glad that he’s in that situation where he can make that call so he can answer all the questions and take all the pressure. That’s something that us players can’t do. We can only rally around whatever player is out there playing, and go forth and try to make the best of it.”
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I truly respect and like Alex Smith and wish him the best. However I am a NINER fan and trust JH and his decision. JH was a pro QB and now a coach so if he thinks we need to go in a different direction to win then so be it.
I like Rogers comments! His statements are so right on. GO NINERS lets beat the rams
I agree Chi. I really respect the man that Alex is. But this is about football. Kaepernick is a better cheaper option, and he was hand picked by the current staff. Hopefully Alex gets a Superbowl ring as a parting gift this year. He will get a fat contract somewhere else in the offseason. His legacy will be one of the more interesting ones among 49er quarterbacks.
Translation: Alex, none of us really think you are very good. Stop acting entitled. You’ve been stinking up this joint for the majority of your 8 years here. Coach found someone better. It’s not like the league thinks you are very good Alex. Deal with it. You had a ton of chances and now it’s over.
Love it.
@ray
Try and speak for yourself please!
Only a d-bag revels in another’s misfortune.
Way to go, you qualify. 5%-er.
Just lke me Ray, it’s not what you say, it’s only the delivery. You told it true. It’s just hard for so,e people to handle. You are right though and so is Carlos Rogers.
Really??you sound like a true 49er fan…..”love it”
“but the game don’t love you back like you think it do.” Syntax aside, this says it very well. Its business. More than that, its Big Business because there are big dollars at stake. In most every endeavor, the more money the more serious it gets. A high stakes poker game is serious business. The oil (energy) business is serious. Competition for a multi million dollar contract to play QB is serious. Trying to make the ballclub as a ST guy is serious too, you need to feed the baby and/or pay off that Bentley; you don’t want that other guy to take food off your table.
Steve said it; Bill W. was ruthless. How about BB in NE or Parcells?
Bluntly put, Carlos do what Carlos do no matter who the mofo next to him is.
Team, schmeem, he came here despite the bad reputation he heard Alex had because the Niners offered him the most cash. It’s a business.
That makes me think I’m a guy who loves a business and is willing to pay over $200 for the experience of watching that business being run against another business on a certain Sunday. OK.
Putting it that bluntly kinda redefines things for me. Why the heck do I care so much about Carlos’ business? Why don’t I get this worked up over the Coke versus Pepsi business?
Either Carlos is right or 70,000 fans per stadium care too much about the Yorks’ business. Interesting. There has got to be more to it than just a business or I am crazy to care about this.
Its none of your business
Way to go. Open minded my a$$, you racist pig
??? Nick where do u see racism? Cuz he said mofo? Im confused.
CR is telling it like it is. Next year when CR’s play wont justify his contract and we release him to make room for Cully he wont get upset because its a buisness. Just like we were not mad in free agency when Josh Morgan took the money and ran.
Open
Its a buisnss for them its entertainment for us. Just like you could choose to fork over $10.50 for a movie or $50 for a concert we choose to be invested in our football team knowing that they dont owe us anything
Racist, eh?! You’re the classic moron that marginalizes the issue of racism by offering it up as a substitute for truly critical thought. Nice work, mouth breather.
What????
A lot of chances, I mean a lot. Dude shoulda been kicked to the curb years ago.
CK already going under the microscope. Tattoos, thats a personal decision and should not reflect on CKs ability to play football. Me I dont like tats, but thats just me others love thats just them. Oh by the way Mommy and Daddy need to stay out of it – your child is being paid good money to play in a high profile position – it comes with the territory, ask AS.
http://aol.sportingnews.com/nfl/story/2012-11-28/colin-kaepernick-tattoos-49ers-qb-start-alex-smith-stats-contract-draft
I was cracking up over this when I read it in USA Today.
Sleeve tats are low class, the bible verses are… meh… kinda lame but whatever. He had his white trash moment, many go through that, I guess. Kinda funny that they’re bible verses, many believe tats are the mark of the beast. :P
He seems like a nice kid, he was probably trying to fit in with some lame-o thugs wannabes somewhere.
It’s weird because I know a lot of older Niner fans agree with that dude’s article: QB is a pedestal position, especially here, he shouldn’t have those, etc., he’s under a big time spotlight.
I don’t really care that much and it’s not like we’re talking about a wannabe thug like Allen Iverson here or some fashion-challenged Cholo with neck tattoos. I overlook the tattoos because I like this kid.
Yeah, mom and dad coming to the rescue was touching. :P
Johnny and Mary suburbia or the puritanical nutbar element may not be into tattoos, but then again, they’re generally too worried about conforming to dare express any individualism.
Tattoo culture is embraced by all walks of life, and my experience is that people with cool tattoos are generally very interesting and fun people (I explicitly exclude such trashy garbage as the barbed wire on the arm, the dolphin on the ankle, or anything of that ilk – that just screams lame).
I thought that article was just stupid.
As Brian in Oakland posted below, here’s a good analysis of that stupid article, that puts it in better words than I could:
deadspin.com/5964564/who-is-this-david-whitley-the-racist-dicktroll-who-cant-stand-colin-kaepernicks-tattoos?
So right Angus That article was plain ignorant. The good news is people that have the same attitude as the author are old and will not be populating earth much longer.
“…they’re generally too worried about conforming to dare express any individualism.”
Seems to me if you want to be different and original, you DON’T do the tats. But I’m over 40, what do I know? :P
I’m just a wee tad under 40 and I couldn’t give two squirts about what a guy does to his own body (with the exception maybe of Quinton Coples’-esqe fascination with scarring – have you seen his arms? hideous /shiver). All I care about is whether the guy playing can win games for my team. Ink, hair, piercings, outfits don’t conform to your ideal? Get over your sense of self-importance. You’re opinion is antiquated and based on stereotypes born of ignorance.
Judgmental BS articles like the one this hack wrote and the crusty, dusty fossils that write them are throwbacks to an era that doesn’t exist anymore (if it ever really did outside of the minds of revisionist, upper-class white people from the bible belt… like my fore-bearers, for instance). The world will be better off when this kind of thinking, equating body-self-expression to specific character defects or worse -race-, gets old, rolls up and dies somewhere in a barren field with only the wind to mourn their passing.
I read that article last night. Unfortunately this antiquated ignorance is all to common among a certain sector of this country. The author of that article denigrated Kaepernick for wearing his faith on his sleeves. In doing so he has worn nescience on his own.
I get a kick out of those who are criticising Alex for expressing his opinion about how he lost his job. Give the guy a break for god sakes, he is a competitor. If he just blandly went along i would question his comitment to the game. losing your starting spot hurts and it really hurts when you lose it after an injury at a point in time where you are playing very well. I want alex pissed off and motivated just in case we need him again this year. i would criticise him strongly if he hung his head and quit or if he continues to speak about his demotion after this week. GO Kap/Go Niners/Go Alex
I would have lost respect for him if he wasn’t pissed. He has every right to feel that way, this has got to be utterly painful for him on many, many levels.
hasn’t shaved
got bags under his eyes
wears the cap way down on his face
all of it screams pain
it’s awful for him. what a terrible place to be.
it’s great for the team. what a great direction to go in.
Doesn’t need to be painful. As ESPN pointed out all day yesterday: Alex Smith will be the most sought after free agent at the end of the season.
He’s in a good position, it just doesn’t look like it right now because he’s been betrayed. He should be used to that from this organization by now.
That’s corporate America in a nutshell – it’s not personal until it happens to you.
@ Adam Alex smith the most sought afther free agent by who? kc, az, oak they deserve each other.
There will be several teams looking for a QB. Not much in free agency and the ’13 draft is weak.
@Adam, Alex Smith is not going to be a ” free agent ” at the end of the season. He is under contract.
I also don’t see much interest in a guy who is documented to need a complete understanding of the playbook before he can be productive for 7 million a year.
There are plenty of prospects in the draft. With the new rookie caps, teams can afford to risk money on a ticket seller. Matt Barkely, Geno Smith, Colin Klein, EJ Manuel, Tyler Wilson, all are prospects for a rebuilding team. Alex Smith simply isn’t a ticket seller.
If they do not pay him his roster bonus, he will most certainly be a free agent.
All the ‘experts’ agree the draft is weak for QBs. Smith will have interest.
If the Niners are smart they’ll do a ‘sign and trade’.
The team paid Johnson 300k to cut him four games later. The team will probably follow suit with Smith. The team is going to get more than 1 million in trade value. I think the team will come out ahead if they keep him as a back up or if they trade him. For 1 million, by a team that has already paid 300k to a guy who isn’t even playing in the NFL, I think it’s a high probability Smith gets that roster bonus.
After the 2011 FA QB signings, many making multi millions off of one game performances, AS should get some major interest (6-8 teams). JH deserves part of the credit as does AS for working so hard. I believe also that AS has learned a good lesson here – both business and football related – let’s see how he grows from this experience.
Adam you or your sources are very misinformed, he was a free agent this past off season coming off a 13-3 season and not one nfl team offered him a contract. I will bet anything that alex smith will never ever start in the league again, he will have no teams after him and if one does go after him he will be a backup. He will actually have to compete instead of being handed the job like he always has.
Haters gonna hate. Ignorant haters gonna hate ignorantly.
Seems the shoe is on the other foot now Claude. Instead of attacking folks, why don’t you share thoughts on where Smith is potentially going to go.
Think the Niners free him up to shop on his own? Or do you think they will want compensation for it?
Fair question considering last year after going to the NFC championship game there was just about zero interest in Smith. Seeing that his production numbers haven’t changed, what makes you think interest in him has?
@ bay:
I am not sure what you are talking about. Chris posted his usual ignorant nonsense, and I called him on it.
Chris,
Where exactly was there an opening last offseason by the time it surfaced that the Niners were looking at Manning? The seats were full. There were no starting jobs with the exception of possibly Miami. This idea that nobody wants him is irrational and moronic. If you honestly believe nobody wants a QB with a 70% for completions and 20 wins in 2 seasons under his belt, you need to take a course in understanding the game.
Use some common sense when posting. You do realize Brady Quinn is starting in KC right? Chad Henne in Jax? Ryan Lindley in Arizona? These are just the low hanging fruit. In truth there will be a number of teams rethinking their QB position and looking for a solid starter which Smith is. He’s also a bargain for a starting QB at the 7.5 he’ll be due this year.
“Adam you or your sources are very misinformed…”
Not just my opinion. If you read sports news or listen to sports radio, that seems to be the consensus. Smith will be one of the hotter prospects in the off-season.
Smith had a $24 mil, 3-year deal. The first year is $5 + $3 (+ $1 for 2013 guaranteed).
The second year is the $7.5 mil. but he must be on the roster April 1st.
Clearly, if CK plays as well as Smith, they’d like to deal Smith (which would be better for both parties I would think) or they’ll just cut him before the deadline, at which point he’s a free agent and will still sign somewhere.
It would be cheaper to pull in a guy like Matt Moore in free agency to battle it out with Tolzien than it would be to keep Smith as a backup (which he won’t want to do in any case.)
Smith will have action. He’s better than Matt Cassell and should come in right around the same money. Better than Sanchez and would come in under that (if all remained the same – which it wouldn’t.) He’s cheaper and more productive than Kolb.
Several of the analysts I’ve heard say that Carson Palmer isn’t the answer in Oakland and that someone like Smith with a ground-pound game would be a good fit there.
Maybe he’ll follow Norv Turner somewhere although I’m now hearing things like “Norv is a QB killer” so maybe it’s not a good idea.
+1
http://www.sfgate.com/49ers/article/For-49ers-Smith-season-took-cruel-turn-4078940.php
I just don’t see AS the most sought after free agent, some teams will be interested but as a stopgap for the next QB of the future. Can’t see him starting for the next 5 years.
I agree. I see oakland having to make a statement with their limited 2013 draft picks. Geno Smith is probably their best option, because they don’t have a second round pick.
The chiefs have all their picks in 2013 and can afford to wait until the 3rd-5th round to pick up a value pick in Tyler Wilson or Tyler Bray if he comes out.
AZ doesn’t have a QB problem. They have a protection problem. They probably won’t draft a QB. I think Smith has great value as a back up to SF. The team paid Josh Johnson 300k and then cut him. I expect the same move with Smith. They’ll pay him and shop a trade.
Alex will never start again, he was average on a superbowl team loaded with weapons, he would be a blooper reel on a bad team he just doesnt have the skills. Why is this such a big deal. Qbs like alex have always lost their job in this league this is nothing unique.
idiot
I can’t say that I disagree with Rogers with anything he said! And the first 5 years he shoulda been gone. There was nobody in this organization that had a clue what they were doing!
That said, it was JH that met with AS when Alex had his sights set on leaving. JH met with him and his parents. It wasn’t the niners giving him another chance cuz in Alex’s mind, he was outta here. Since that moment of that meeting, Alex has done nothing but improve. And until he got that concussion, it’s not like, well, we’ve given you a ton of chances and you just blew it! He got hurt! That injury doesn’t happen, we ain’t talking about this.
Now, lets look at the bigger picture! What message did JH just send to all the players in the nfl? I was just thinking about this this morning and for some reason, I was thinking about Rogers as an example. Who now would be in there right mind (no pun intended) to report their concussion? Would Alex do it again? If you’re someone like Rogers, making good money and you know their is a young guy on the bench with great potential making less, he’s gonna suck it up and not tell anyone for fear he won’t get his job back. And this is league wide! In Harbaugh I trust, but I don’t think he sent the right message here. The future health of these players when they are done with football may have just changed. I believe strongly in what the league is trying to do on these concussions. I think the nfl has walked two steps forward in the last couple years and Harbaugh just brought it one step back. IMHO!
MoMa16
If players don’t want to report concussions because they are afraid of losing their jobs, that will be their prerogative. It’s called balancing priorities. It has absolutely nothing to do with the league, and the league should leave it up to the players. If it’s obvious that a player has suffered a concussion, then team doctors will be there, and that IS the league’s business, but if, like Alex, nobody knows about it, what POSSIBLY can the league do about it? Seriously, this is a non-issue. Or else, what? The league hands down a decree that “He who suffers concussion will not lose his job to a superior player!” That’s ridiculous for many reasons, the most obvious being that any coach in the league could just start a returning player for one game and then make a decision “based on other factors.”
Not an issue, let’s not make it one.
Too late. Already been hearing about it!
The league, through it’s actions, or through the actions of its agents (ie. coaches and managers employed by owners) puts obvious pressure on players to avoid disclosing potential brain injury, for fear of losing their jobs.
That’s a major, major ethical and legal issue. I don’t have an answer, because there isn’t an easy one, but it’s a real problem that the league and the players are facing.
MontanaMan,
it’s a business. There is no loyalty unless you are an outright stud.
If Manning had signed and he sustained a concussion, the job would be given right back to him period.
The Niners told Smith twice this year that he was a stop gap. Once when they shopped for Manning, and the second time when they gave him a series of one year contracts.
If he believed anything more, that was his fault. What’s the book called, “he’s just not that into you”.
The lack of scoring and production was an issue. He didn’t resolve it this year. Think we went to the wildcat by accident?’
The players that will have to “hide” their concussion symptoms will be the ones that are on the bubble. The studs have nothing to worry about.
Angus
No, I think you’re missing the point on this one. The agents don’t work for the league, they work against it. They don’t really work for the best interests of their players, they work for themselves. For that matter, in terms of health, the players don’t work for their own bests interests, except for guys like Alex Smith, who self-reported.
It is absurd to put this on the league. When the league knows about the injury of its own accord, it can act. When it doesn’t, it is powerless to do anything. This is all about players prioritizing.
Alex wasn’t good enough to keep his job after his replacement got a game to show off what he could do. That’s the bottom line.
Now, will players take a lesson from this? Yes, don’t self-report if you value your job and your backup is more talented than you are. That’s not an issue the league can manage. That’s entirely a personal decision, and probably one that guys will have to make entirely on their own, without consulting with other players, with family, with anyone. It’s a tough spot to be in, no doubt.
Matrix,
By ‘agents’, I meant those acting on behalf of the league, such as coaches and GM’s. I didn’t mean player agents, like Rosenhaus.
And the league certainly bears a degree of the responsibility when it condones and tacitly endorses its “agents” putting such obvious incentives and pressures on players not to report their brain injury symptoms.
That’s why we’ve seen lawsuits, and we will continue to see more, against the NFL itself for player brain injuries.
Just to be clear here – if Alex missed a game due to a twisted ankle everyone would be totally fine with CK7 proving to be a better player. Am I correct?
It’s only because the injury was a concussion that there is any angst over the superior player taking the job. Right?
Bull feces. The usual suspects would be whining just as loudly if it were a sprained ankle. “In Harbaugh we trust! All arrows up!” Yeah, right. As long as the Precious is starting.
Sounds like yet another in a long, long eight year line of excuses. The better player (in Harbaugh’s opinion) is now the starting QB. That’s how it should be. The best guy plays.
It’s time to leave the precious comments behind and focus on Kap getting us #6.
MSC,
You need new material dude. I like you but your getting old like yesterday. Knock it off!!!!
Ok we can stop talking about the precious now that Harbaugh has thrown it back into the fires of Mt. Doom.
As you can tell Grimey, some fans got their wish for a new QB but cannot let the old one go just yet. I don’t get that!
I had the same conversation with my spouse. No way am I telling JH anything if I want to keep playing.
AS last full game he was 18/19, 3 TD’s (all on 3rd down) and NFC Offensive player of the week. And we were leading our division. If that doesn’t protect you, nothing will.
Very bad precedent being set . The NFLPU should take this matter up. If concussions are as serious an injury as everybody says, this can’t be good.
What makes this bad is that you have D-Bags like Romanowski out there saying that if you report your concussion, you’re not in the game for the right reason. Not a good thing to get planted in players’ minds.
From Ann Killion:
“One of the most heinous things came from Bill Romanowski. Speaking on 95.7 The Game, Romanowski blamed Smith for reporting his injury and implied that because Smith had made so much money he wasn’t passionate enough to play injured.”
Read more: http://www.sfgate.com/49ers/article/For-49ers-Smith-season-took-cruel-turn-4078940.php#ixzz2DjB2pTXp
I remember that Adam. Romo…a true hater.
So you want the NFLPU to get involved and tell Harbaugh to give Smith the starting job back to enable other players to feel comfortable reporting their concussions?
How about be a better player than your back-up and then you don’t have to worry about it.
Smith didn’t get benched because he was hurt, he got benched because Harbaugh feels Kaepernick is better and gives the team more opportunities offensively.
Harbaugh has always stated every position is an open competition week to week and that he will go with the best player. He’s sticking to that, even when the decision to make the move is difficult.
Funny how you’re now calling him a liar and insinuating that FA’s will be leary to join the team. What happened to “In Harbaugh I trust” as you so frequently spouted when if fit your needs?
DS, this was only Alex Smith, if it was the other Smith’s, like Justin or Aldon, they would be back in the lineup because those two don’t have someone on the bench taking their place. CK is no David Carr. Stop being a hater, in JH I trust
blah blah blah … AS’s days were numbered. The concussion only speeded up his benching decision. If you take away emotion, you’ll realize that CK is the better QB and the better option going forward.
Let it go DS, let it go… You’re missing the point. Its not about a concussion its about performance.
DS please follow alex to whatever team he goes to. You dont like 49ers or football you just think alex is cute. He’s done forever, embrace having a young talented qb like Colin or kick rocks.
Romonowski is a whack job and always has been. Nobody gives a rip what he says and with the info out there about the long term effects of concussions, I doubt players will hide them anymore than they would before.
The bottomline is Smith got replaced because the other guy is better in the eyes of the Coaching staff. That’s all we need to focus on. There doesn’t need to be tears or threats or hating on the team. It’s still the Niners, and it’s still a SB contender. Let it play out and support the team.
There is a concussion protocol. U cant fake your baseline. If ur so banged up that u dont know what day it is or who the president is there is no way that u can fake it. 5 days later if ur still not making sense they wont let u play. Its not like a leg or arm injury where they ask u “does this hurt” and u can suck it up and say no. If ur pupils dont dialate properly ur out of luck.
What did people think was the plan when JH moved up in the draft to take CK? This was inevitable. Unless CK sucked he was gonna chalenge for the starting spot eventually. Now making the switch in week 10 with a winning team is risky no doubt but that should speak even louder of how JH feels about CK. If he had any reservations he would play out this year with AS and have a full fledged QB comp in camp next year.
JH didnt do that. He must have thought that the future is now. and felt strongly enough to hang his coaching reputation on it
Don’t mind BS. His act is getting pathetic now that his trusty head coach is seeing the same thing the so-called Haters have been seeing all along.
So what he’s saying is that Alex’s 9 lives are up??
Get the feeling he is excited about the change – especially the “JH was a QB and knows these guys” part of the interview. Seems like he’s trying to send a message stating “Jim knows the best QB when he sees him and made the right decision, so back the f— off.”
I think he could have left out the part where he told everyone that the entire Redskins team thought Smith sucked.
+1
“Carlos, you’re done. I know you don’t think you’re done, but you’re done.”
Yup, he might be hearing that this offseason, especially if there’s an encore performance of his defensive effort vs. Victor Cruz or Amendola.
Dont rip Carlos cause he told the truth about your pathetic mancrush in alex smith. Dont let your love blind you.
Chris, you’re not from around here are you? To think OM is a Smither – man, you should probably read more and respond less until you get a better lay of the land.
OM, I’ve been quietly hoping for a high CB draft pick for the last couple seasons. Even after they brought Rogers in last year and he played well. Crossing my fingers Culliver can be good-to-great and that T Brown stays consistent or improves, but this defense (or any defense, obviously) could be even deadlier with a true #1, on-an-island type CB on the roster. ‘Writing’s on the wall for Carlos, imo.
Mr. A
That’s Culliver. He’s a true #1. They’ll get him coached up, he just needs another offseason. The true shutdown corners take a couple seasons to adjust to the multiplicity of the league’s offenses. Deion, Woodson, & Revis are all freaks.
I’ll bet Culliver is looked back on as the best CB taken in 2011, over Peterson and Amukumara. He’s just as fast as Peterson, but was not as high profile because of his small school and the fact he played a lot of safety.
I have great confidence in him.
@ O/M:
When did South Carolina (member of the SEC) become a small school?
Claude
Smaller
You’re a belligerent fellow, aren’t you?
@ O/M:
How was that belligerent? Irreverent perhaps, smart-assed, even, but belligerent?
CB
Nicely put. My bad.
Carlos has some good points, but e better step his own game up, because Carlos of 2012 has been looking a lot like the Carlos that played for the skins
Carlos that played for the Skins could keep up with every receiver in the league but had skillets for mitts. Carlos ’11/’12 combined decent mitts with tight coverage. Carlos ’12/’13 gots no mitts gots no speed.
See comment above…
+1 to both comments.
Hoping for a high round DB in One-Three.
7 or because of these surpassingly great revelations. Therefore, in order to keep me from becoming conceited, I was given a thorn in my flesh, a messenger of Satan, to torment me. 8 Three times I pleaded with the Lord to take it away from me. 9 But he said to me, “My grace is sufficient for you, for my power is made perfect in weakness.” Therefore I will boast all the more gladly about my weaknesses, so that Christ’s power may rest on me. 10 That is why, for Christ’s sake, I delight in weaknesses, in insults, in hardships, in persecutions, in difficulties. For when I am weak, then I am strong.
Zealot. Go hang with the Baldwin weirdo or Kirk Cameron. Nobody needs you spewing your mindless drivel around here.
Hmm. I am with you on Baldwin don’t know about Cameron. I was merely reading the bible this morning and thot wow this passage is so relevant. So angry! way to start “Your day”!
Thanks, David! It means so much to me to be condescended to by a good Christian. I think I shall go bathe in holy water and wash away all my sins. You have given me the hope I never had before this very moment. Bless you, David.
OM: Your bigotry is quite remarkable!
Thank you DRS. When it comes to Crusaders, I pride myself on being a hard-sell!
“I delight in weaknesses, in insults, in hardships, in persecutions, in difficulties. For when I am weak, then I am strong.”
Is this post not trying to insult the rest of us? Try reading a passage or two on hypocrisy.
It is…. really? I have to esplain this? I felt it was Smith and what we have All watched him go through The passage is from Paul he was asking God for help.
Who cares?
Exactly!
@Openminded there is a line in the book\movie north dallas forty, where the WR says everytime i call it a game ownership reminds me it a business if i call it a business they tell me to love the game. Players have been hardened to the reality that ownership considers them a commodity. I believe they do care and feed of of the fans rogers quote is pointed twoard management
@Adam i do’nt think Smith will be a free agent. I believe the niners will give his agent the right to find a team that wants him and the niners will work a trade. If nothing can be worked out by the end of March the niners will release him but if he is as sought after as espn is reporting i think he will be tradeable. i predict we will get a low 3rd or high 4th rd pick in this yrs draft
Supply and demand. The demand for a guy playing at Smith’s high level should be pretty good compared to what will be out there and basically nothing in the draft.
Yes, if they’re smart they’ll do a ‘sign and trade’. I figure Smith is probably worth a mid- to low-second round based on draft economics (albeit last year’s). They’ll trade him for whatever they sign him at – that $7 mil plus whatever.
The only thing I don’t know is how the new rookie wage scale effects trades, if at all. If they use the decreased wage as part of this equation then I don’t understand it.
Geep Chryst will know, he’s the QB coach after all and the developer of the draft trade value chart that all teams use now. I’m sure he has something figured out for a situation like this.
Agree with all of it except trade value. I don’t think Smith will get more than a low high 3rd round.
It’s unfortunate that once again he will be the best of what is available. Once again placing high expectations. Sort of reminds me of when he was drafted number one overall in a year where there were no clear cut 1st rounders.
It will be higher than compared to any other position because football position acquisition for a QB is based on one simple metric: If the player grades out as a top-15 talent you have to take him. In free agency that almost never happens or it doesn’t happen until a player is quite a bit older – like the Montana deal. The Niners should be able to get some value for Smith.
KC may still draft Geno Smith and Arizona or Oakland could take Matt Barkley but I think any of the three (plus one or two others) will bid.
Sorry Coach, I worded that incorrectly.
Didn’t mean to imply he was a free agent to be signed by the Niners and traded. Sign and trade is the old NBA term which maybe isn’t quite appropriate here.
I agree with you, they will deal him when they can do that after the season ends and the 2013 trade window opens up.
I can’t see a scenario where they’d keep him past the April deadline other than CK hits a wall. Possible, as we don’t have enough on him yet to see for sure that he’s the “guy” but my gut tells me he’s the goods.
Wow. All of a sudden there are a lot of Carlos haters. Go figure.
I love me some Colin and have no sympathy for Alex’s plight.
But Carlos has been the biggest/only weakness on the Niners D this year. It’s a shame he got such a long contract. They’ll be drafting CBs this off-season.
That may be so, but it doesn’t change what he said about Alex.
Nick
Unrelated issue. I know you don’t like Alex. I’m not a fan either. Not sure what you’re getting at.
That quote from Young yesterday about going in for what a player might think would be a good meeting with Walsh, then leaving with a bloody gut … you remember … I thought that quote would apply to Carlos Rogers this year, based on his significant drop-off in production. That’s all.
So can we call you Neandarthal Offensive Matrix (NOM for short?)
Nom, nom, nom. Chips and beer :P
Yes, this.
And Dline and an OLB if all my wishes come true.
Adam
Shift from Alex to Colin
Shift from Neanderthal Offense to Offensive Matrix
Nom de guerre
Well at least you worked “nom” in there somewhere. :P
Nom de plume? Or really a war name?
Major “Ouch!” Raw, but brutally true.
DS,
seriously? You are now asking bloggers when is the last time they had an orgasm? When did the amount of sex that people have become your business?
Stick to football. I mean aren’t you the one with the name Dennis with an alter ego on another site called X-ilicious with a female avatar?
Bottom line, Rogers said it and he said it out loud. The perception in Washington is that Smith was not very good.
I voiced this sentiment several times. The perception of Smith around the league. Since then he has greatly improved.
I don’t know if Rogers sentiment is unique onto himself, or if it’s universally felt. But for this reason alone, Harbaugh cannot do the back and forth.
Stick to football and not sexual analogies.
@Bay i’m sorry but there are no DS posts showing on my screen am i missing something
It was deleted.
Alex was not betrayed. He was out played by Kape, Just a simple fact,
Just to break up the monotony of the war of attrition between the Smithers and the Ck7 Schadenfreuders on this site, here’s a funny and horrifying article dealing with Ck7′s ascendancy, tatoos, and Racism. “Come on buddy… Come ONNNNN buddy!”.
deadspin.com/5964564/who-is-this-david-whitley-the-racist-dicktroll-who-cant-stand-colin-kaepernicks-tattoos?
I knew it. He LOVES it… just like the encyclopedia said.
ROFL
They guy that wrote the article isn’t racist. He has two Aftican American daughters.
Just prejudiced.
I don’t comment much on this blog but I read it almost everyday. I’ve decided that I don’t really care about winning the super bowl as much as I do care about watching exciting, entertaining football games. If all I cared about was the W, I could just Google the winner after the game. In the end I like to have a nice green lawn too, but I don’t need to sit around and watch it grow. And that’s what watching Smith has been like (with few exceptions) for me. Boring as hell.
Wins and Losses are cool, but in the end I really want entertainment — I mean at a certain point Call-a-Dookie, Lockup, or the Food Channel seem more interesting than check-down football. Yes, yes, that New Orleans game last year was something else, but watching CK7 has made the 9ers offense good TV again. Thank God. Love live CK7, the Cohns, and Jim Harbaugh.
Very well put – many of us feel the same way! (That said, I still want the wins, even if it means there’s a boring game here and there!)
Welcome to the blog :-)
I think CK7 will win mostly and be a big shining star.
Wow! Players on other NFL teams “talked about how bad Alex was.” They didn’t blame the coaches or the blocking or the receivers. They held Alex accountable for his poor play. What a novel concept.
Of course, given the Redskins record while Rogers was there, one might wonder how qualified those players were to comment. And given Mr. Rogers record catching balls thrown his way…
I think Carlos Rogers is spot on. It sucks. Its painful. You’ve pouted, cried and are in complete denial. Time to put your big boy pants on, stay on edge to go into the game at anytime. Exude positive attitude and be as helpful to Kaepernick as you can. And by all means, be aware of your body language on the sideline and demeanor….it is important. Afterall, you are being paid very well to do just that.
To say Alex Smith lost his job is not accurate. He didn’t lose his job, he’s still pulling a pay check. It’s disrespectfull to working individuals who’ve actually gone through the pains of losing your job.
Nick – He has just changed departments…….If you lose your job, the only exit route is through the front door while carrying a cardboard box. :-)
I’ve been there…….It Sucks!
Just for the record, I’ll bet that Pete Carroll would love to have a QB of Alex’ stature to help groom ole’ watsisname Wilson for a year or two. Especially in the fact that Alex has been trained in 5 different offensive schemes under 5 different coaches for over 6 different years. It wouldn’t surprise me to find that calls might already have been made between him and his old buddy JH….”What’s your deal?”
Just for the record, Russel Wilson is already better than Smith. Remember the seachickens already signed Matt Flynn and Wilson took his job in preseason. Baller!
Oregon – I’ll take that bet.
Carlos is 100% correct. Tim Couch didn’t get as many chances … nor did that fat guy Oakland selected. And the list of 1st round QB’s who didn’t get 7 years to be average would fill the grand canyon. How many mediocre starts did Jim Druckenmiller get for SF.
There’s a lot of QB’s in this league that can complete 70% of their passes, when the lionshare are less than 10 yards. You Alex Smith supporters need to put your stats away.
Never feel bad for a guy with 20 million in the bank. I’m sure the Jets or Arizona will run him out there next season.
Alex did’nt get chances because he is a nice guy. he got chances because as bad as he played early in his career he was still the best QB on the roster. Then Harbaugh gave him a chance because he felt the team could win with him untill he could draft and develop his own QB. Alex even when he was playing poorly earned all his chances
I agree Old Coach. It also shouldn’t be surprising to read that players around the league thought Alex sucked. He was ripped unmercilously when Nolan questioned his manhood while he was dealing with a shoulder problem, and when Sing referred to him as Meek. It’s no different than the opinions formed by many 9er fans who blamed him for all that was wrong with the franchise. It’s the mob mentality and piling on that permeates society now. Somebody forms a flawed opinion, but it doesn’t matter; others chime in because it’s good amusement and all of a sudden you have a viewpoint that has no basis in reality, but is widely accepted as being true.
I’ve posted Smith’s numbers many times before going back to when Jimmy Raye was here and the fact of the matter is, this guy has improved every year he’s been on the field. Since he came back from the second shoulder surgery he’s put together a pretty good resume of numbers and wins. The problem is nobody looks at it because it’s believed and accepted that he is a lousy player who is a #1 overall bust. Now it’s changed to he’s a system QB and only playing well because of Harbaugh and throwing 5 yard checkdowns, and it’s lazy unsubstantiated research that leads to these opinions.
I guarantee Smith will have some options as a starter in this league next year. GM’s don’t make decisions based on hearsay and innuendo. They’ll research his history and find a pretty strong willed individual who is all about team, and who you can win with if you give him the pieces to do so.
I’m not a Smith lover, but how he handled this recent event in his career, I am a Smith Fan. He can write a book and make millions about facing adversity with honor.
Part of his problem is he is a team first player, a guy willing to learn and be led by his coach. He was never consistent, that was the main flaw in the his game, not whether he could make all the throws.
He brought the team back on numerous occassions, and people forget that. People forget the other teams get paid to beat you too. He made some great seam throws against Houston a few years back.
So maybe he isn’t the best QB on the planet.
People like to say, well he sucked against the Giants in the NFC game and this year. Take a look at what Aaron Rodgers has done against the Defense. Same. If not worse.
This year started out pretty good when he out played Rodgers and Stafford. Look at how Brees did against the Falcons? No one says he sucks.
I’m happy with CK at QB. He’s going to have to earn that elite status that eludes Alex. It doesn’t make complete sense but I have a feeling this is going to take another surprise turn. Jim has not revealed his hand on what he’s really doing. Alex, for sure, is done next year. Time will tell if there’s something we don’t know about.
Fan,
Problem with Smith is this. He’s really not a good enough QB to throw a fit. If he showed his arse to JH, he’d probably get cut. Alex was a piece, not an asset. There is a difference.
i liked this this line of opinions….
but in the very near future it might be about the running game
New poll question please.
Grant – Will you be attending the game tonight?
Unfortunately, no. Will you?
I wish Grant, I’ll be at a high school championship game in So-Cal. DVR is set though. Stanford favored by 7.5 points. Go Bruins!
Who are you going to watch play Crab?
The weather will be a major factor for tonights game. I think it will be an exciting, close game, but Stanford will win with a late score.
Jack – Going to see Vista Murrieta (ranked #5 in nation by Maxpreps) vs Centennial (Corona, CA ranked #24 in nation). They’ve played in this same game 3 years in a row and split the 2 games. Should be exciting. The wife works at Vista Murrieta and A.D. is a friend so I get field pass. :-) Game is on FSW ch. 692 on directv 7pm. Do you live in Bay area Jack?
Crab,
That should be a sweet matchup. Centennial from what I remember ran a Oregon type offense last time I watched them.
Yeah, I am in the Bay Area. We have Bellarmine-St Ignatius on TV in the big division championship game tonight for the CCS.
Have fun at the game. Maybe I will have to buy the full DTV sports package and catch that game tonight too.
Jack – Right on bro! Centennial runs a hurry-up no-huddle offense and they hand signal the plays in.
Have a good night Jack. Go Niners!!
Can’t wait til Sunday 10:00A.M.!!!
Man I know we live in the sensitive liberal bay area, but this is football, not an emotional support group for a grown mans feelings. He’s had 8 years of chances he has been very very lucky. Guys far better than alex have lost their job in the nfl, this is nothing new. Wow for a tough guy sport like football there are sure alot of nancy boy fans in the media. This isnt a pop warner player its a grown man, suck it up and move on, we got a real qb now.
Alex you got no one to blame but yourself you opened the door for ck7 by not sliding properly
COHNZOHN IS DOWN!…I NEED MY COHNZOHN DAMMIT!!
Super Stan you genius you. Where have you been?
Thanks. With all this 49er winning…not much to chesmez over.
And the zone is back!
How about we take a look at the game coming up on Sunday?
http://ninerchatter.blogspot.com/2012/11/3-defensive-keys-for-49ers-against-st.html
@ Jack:
The Rams ran the ball 36 times in the first matchup. It is incumbent upon the 49ers defense to not let that happen again this week.
I wonder if Fangio has communicated that thought to the front 7 this week?
Claude,
The key to the game is Amendola. He makes that offense go. If they can contain him, due to injury or Rogers playing good, this could be a blowout.
@ Jack:
I would like to see the defense correct both problems.
My, how the chickens do come home to roost. I’ve been posting on this blog for years how bad a quarterback Alex Smith was. Good guy, bad quarterback. He’s never shown much but heart the entire time he’s been here. The front office couldn’t give up on him because they felt like they invested too much in him and wouldn’t admit that they were wrong about him. The same problems Alex Smith had years ago, still exist now. He has improved slightly under JH but not enough to make him a bonafide starter in this league.
1. Pocket presence??? Takes more sacks than anybody in the league.
2. Accuracy???? Vastly improved by JH but still can’t throw it well past 13 yards.
3. Arm strength???? Not strong enough.
4. Mobility??? He has some when he decides to use it.
5 . Smarts as a QB- we have to question that considering how he got hurt and the hits we’ve seen him take the past 2 years under JH.
6. Performance in big games- he played the best game of his life against N.O. Last year. We may never see him play like that again.
7. Inconsistency- Alex is and hs been the optometrist of inconsistency for years. Including this year. Yes, I know about the 25-27. But watch the film,look at the throws. Then compare them to the throws that Kap has been attempting and making.
I’ve been saying it for months. It’s not about the throws that Smith makes, it’s the throws he doesn’t make. Remember the arguments about players running free or not being open in the NFCCG? You have to pull the trigger. This is the NFL. Carlos told the truth. We heard all the rumors. Roddy White told us what the NFL thought about Alex Smith last year.
Jordan do’nt get me wrong i am in love with Kap as our starter and have been since college but i have to differ strongly on your opinion of smith.
First of all other than Mike Nolan you are the one and only person who has watched Smith play that i have ever heard question his heart.
As to him being a “bad’ QB i hope you will admit how wrong you are if as ESPN is reporting he is courted by as many as 4 or 5 teams in the off season to be their starter.
He has never been an outstanding QB and i believe he never will be but i believe he is top 16 and if you are in the top half you are not “bad” by any stretch of the imagination….IMHO
Yes old coach. I said he had never shown much BUT heart since he’s been here.
Old coach,
You misunderstood me. I said he had heart. That’s how he got the concussion. Trying to prove his toughness in my opinion. I know he has heart. I thought I said that.
I think Rodgers better look at his game this year then make such comments to the public about a teammate. That was in poor taste whether it be true or not. The difference between me and you young whipersnapers is its all about being a man/woman in this world. I have lost lots of respect for Rodgers as a man. Oh yes he has the right to say what he wants, I fought for that right, but Rodgers as far as I am concerned you are an a@@. You now are in the same league as TO as far as I am concerned, and no matter what you do from here on out you suck and I dont care if you are balling. Dont want you, dont need you, next MAN up. This is the first Niner since TO I find revolting. Now its time for the bloggers to attack – have at it.
The truth hurts but it’s a double edged sword. Rogers has regressed back to playing with boxing gloves on.
Umm, no. Rogers dropped interceptions in Washington because of his vision, not because of his hands. That’s why he had so many interceptions last year after having lasik (sp?) surgery. His problems this year are related to coverage deficiencies in the slot, not to his hands.
Posted by Barrows a few days ago:
“He is a guy that, however, until he understands it, he is non-functional,” Meyer said of Smith. ” He is a guy that, I keep hearing how Brett Favre kind of makes something out of nothing and is a person that runs around to make a play. Alex Smith is not that kind of player. ”
This has “game manager” written all over it, not “franchise quarterback.” If you were drafting a quarterback, why would you draft a player like this in the early rounds, much less make him the first pick in the draft? In hindsight, it was dumb. I think Harbaugh knew that when he took over the team but also believed that, through coaching and by installing a type of system, he could maximize Alex’s performance until he could find someone better. In the meantime, he went about drafting and preparing Alex’s replacement. The Bears Game happened, Colin shined, and it was Harbaugh’s duty as the coach to make the transition. He had no other choice.
DeMarcus!!!
That’s my boy!
Both pot and DUI! He’s out for Sunday’s game. Plays on all special teams. Not good for him of the Niners.
@mood who got busted for pot and a dui?
@ old coach:
From O/M’s message, I would say DeMarcus Dobbs. This is disappointing news.
Perhaps it explains why Wilhoite was elevated from the practice squad.
Yep. Team left him in Santa Clara.
Special teams unit(s) aren’t looking so good now… and against this coach and punter? Ugh.
Since pot is legal in some states and not performance enhancing, I don’t see why players get in trouble for it.
For the same reason QBs aren’t supposed to have tatoos; Corporate America.
it may be time to cease and desist with the tears/concerns about Alex.
the man had 8 years to snatch and keep this job – to play so well that the mere idea of subbing for him would be laughable. but he didn’t. some folks can choose to blame that on others – that seems to be the trend in society, after all – but Alex just got benched by the hottest coach in the league, the most competitive guy we’ve ever seen, and the coach who raised him to his highest level. if Alex comes back from this and leads anyone – the Niners or another team – to more victories, then more power to him. but in the meantime, its Go Niners, not Go Alex or Go QB.
i’m not an Alex guy but that post was just plain mean….
yup
I thought it was mean and I’ve never been a fan of Alex. Lol.
Take it up with DSL. I think It would tell you the message was meant to be uplifting, filled with flattery!
I didn’t write one word of it!
You people are nuts! Can’t figure out if you like the QB or not, if you like the alien or not!
Suddenly everyone’s up in arms over THIS?!!!
Dobbs just got popped for weed possession and DUI. He did not fly to St. Louis today. Michael Wilhoite might actually play on special teams… or maybe Jenkins, Jacobs and James will all see action Sunday.
Haven’t we discussed Alex Smith enough?
Yes we have DRS, but remember, we have Smithers in this blog.
And yet, it’s haters like you who keep bringing him up.
Weird isn’t it. It’s a dementia thing, I think. Kinda like the whole revisionist history thing.
This blog would be an awesome sociology experiment.
@ Adam:
You say “dementia,” I say “being an a-hole.”
Tuh-mey-toh, tuh-mah-toh.
Time to turn the page.
http://m.youtube.com/#/watch?v=Fe7yOccqdxI&desktop_uri=%2Fwatch%3Fv%3DFe7yOccqdxI
Completely unecessary Pork Bun.
i certainly hope we play better D this Sun. After the last 2 games you would think we would shut St L out this week but every 3rd or 4th game this year the D has come out flat and I hope AJ Jenkins gets some time this week I really think he is going to develop into some body special and i hope Kap has a great game this Sun. so everyone on both sides of the QB situation will just SHUT THE HELL UP!!!!!!
I agree, Coach. I think the D will be ready and fired up this Sunday. Definitely no “trap” game here.
My concern now is for special teams. Banged up Teddy Ginn… Williams out… Akers slumping… and now Dobbs not even making the trip out to St. Louis… not good.
Too far. Too far.
Now we know why you were previously banned.
Not cool dude.
Oh boo hoo
I was listening to Damon Bruce today. And he made a comment that I thought was right on. He said. ” you know when someone that doesn’t know what they’re talking about in backing smith is when they bring up the mirage of his comp % and qbr” that couldn’t be more true. Smith love bringing up his comp% and qbr. It is a HUGE mirage. That’s why he isn’t starting. Bruce was right on. Hell I’ve even read bs say “smith led the team to a 600 yard day” I didn’t know he ran for 300 yards. Lol and how come ck couldn’t do the same against a defense in NO just as bad as buffaloes. That comment alone shows that bs knows nothing about this game. All of you Smith fans!!!! Just stop it. It’s over. Now sit there and root against CK and enjoy your Sunday doing so.
you are dumb
I put a heads-up in here about Dobbs – -wrote his name a few times to alert people and it got dinged??? sheesh…
People are taking the tattoo article way too seriously. It comes across to me more as self reflection than a judgemental hateful rant. We all need to loosen up a little… old uptight white guys and young tattoo lovers alike. Tolerance, people. You don’t always have to be offended at the first sign of someone expressing an opinion different from your own. Everyone’s righteous indignation aside, it’s kind of a funny Boomer/Gen X/Gen Y conversation.