This is the live blog for the San Francisco 49ers’ Week 5 road game against the New York Giants. I’ll update this frequently with information and analysis from my living room.
4:00 The 49ers’ inactives are:
Vernon Davis
Ahmad Brooks
Gerald Hodges
Mike Davis
DeAndrew White
Ian Silberman
Mike Purcell
4:02 The Giants’ inactives are:
Devon Kennard
Jonathan Casillas
Bobby Hart
Victor Cruz
Jerome Cunningham
Robert Ayers
George Selvie
4:05 The Niners just announced Vance McDonald will start for Vernon Davis at tight end, and Corey Lemonier will start for Ahmad Brooks at outside linebacker.
4:06 The Niners apparently did not make any changes to their starting offensive line.
4:44 If the Niners win, they will have the same record as the Seahawks and Rams.
4:48 Crazy to think the Seahawks should be 1-4.
5:10 The Giants have the worst pass defense in the NFL. If Colin Kaepernick struggles tonight, the Niners have to bench him at halftime. No choice.
5:28 The Niners win the toss and defer, clearly trying to avoid another early deficit.
5:31 Touchback.
5:38 Chryst’s adjustment seems to be throwing to Bruce Ellington. Kaepernick completed two passes on the opening drive, both to Ellington, both on screen passes. The first one gained 31 yards, and the second one gained nine.
5:44 Tramaine Brock bites on a play-action fake and gives up a 49-yard catch to Odell Beckham. Three plays later on third-and-goal from the 3, Ian Williams stops running back Andre Williams for no gain. The field goal is good, and the score is tied at 3.
5:54 On third-and-7 from the 22, Kaepernick scrambles and picks up nine. On third-and-8 from the 33, Kaepernick scrambles and gets sacked.
5:56 Carlos Hyde has 18 rushing yards on six carried through the first two drives.
6:01 The 49ers are flagged for having 12 men on the field before the end of the first quarter. New York faces third-and-six from their 48 when the second quarter begins.
6:03 On the previous third down, the Giants went after NaVorro Bowman, and Manning completed a five-yard pass to tight end Larry Donnel to move the chains.
6:07 On third-and-goal from the one, Manning throws a touchdown pass to Shane Vereen, who beats Bowman on an out route. 10-3 Giants.
6:08 On that drive, Odell Beckham made four catches, including a 31-yard catch over the middle. Jaquiski Tartt was the closest defender.
6:10 Giants linebacker Jon Beason is out with a concussion. Carlos Hyde hit him in the side of the helmet.
6:16 On third-and-14 from the Niners’ 27, Geep Chryst calls a screen pass for Garrett Celek. Ugh! Niners punt.
6:19 Kaepernick hasn’t thrown a pass more than eight yards downfield.
6:25 Dwayne Harris beats Jimmie Ward with a slant route on third-and-4 from the Niners’ 23, but Harris drops the ball. Josh Brown makes a 41-yard field goal, and the score is 13-3 Giants.
6:26 New York’s offense is 5-for-7 on third down.
6:27 Manning’s passer rating is 113.4. The Niners’ outside cornerbacks can’t cover the Giants’ outside receivers man to man.
6:30 The Niners’ running game won’t work if Geep Chryst never calls a shot downfield.
6:40 On third-and-1 from the Giants’ 5, Kaepernick rolls right and overthrows Boldin in the end zone. Phil Dawson makes the field goal, and the score is 13-6 Giants. Chryst called zero runs on that drive.
6:47 Jimmie Ward gives up an 18-yard catch to Dwayne Harris on first-and-10 from the Niners’ 32. Giants face first-and-10 from the 14 with 11 seconds left in the half after a 49ers timeout.
6:48 Tramaine Brock picks off a pass intended for Beckham in the end zone.
6:49 The Niners are still in this game. Can they score a touchdown?
7:08 Manning throws a grounder on third-and-3 from the Niners’ 47. Hayne makes a fair catch at his 12-yard line.
7:11 Chance for the Niners to tie the game.
7:18 Kaepernick throws a touchdown pass to Boldin on second-and-goal from the three. An 88-yard drive. Score is 13-13.
7:25 Right tackle Marshall Newhouse is flagged for holding on first down, and the Giants go three-and-out. The Niners have all the momentum. Time for them to take the lead.
7:31 The Niners go three-and-out after back-to-back incomplete passes to Carlos Hyde, who seems injured.
7:31 On first-and-10 from the Niners’ 17, Manning throws a short pass to Beckham, who jukes Kenneth Acker and beats Michael Wilhoite in a race to the end zone. 20-13 Giants.
7:42 Colin Kaepernick wastes a timeout right before the end of the third quarter.
7:43 Kaepernick completes a seven-yard pass over the middle to Boldin on third-and-four, and the third quarter ends.
7:51 On third-and-goal from the 5, Kaepernick throws a touchdown pass over the middle to Garrett Celek. Great throw. Game tied at 20.
7:55 Giants start from their 21-yard line with 11:44 left.
7:57 Beckham has a hamstring injury and is questionable.
8:05 The Giants kick a field goal on fourth-and-1 from the 5. 23-20 Giants, 4:29 left in the fourth quarter.
8:17 Landon Collins drops an interception on first-and-goal, and Carlos Hyde bursts into the end zone on second-and-goal. 27-23 with 1:45 left.
8:18 Chryst and Mangini have been fantastic tonight.
8:22 Manning completes a 16-yard pass over the middle to Vereen, and the Giants call their second timeout. First-and-10 at the Niners’ 44 with 50 seconds left.
8:24 Brock intercepts Manning for the second time, but the ball appears to have hit the ground. The officials are reviewing the play.
8:26 They change their ruling to incomplete pass.
8:27 Beckham is back.
8:28 On third-and-10, Manning completes a screen pass to Vereen who runs for 25 yards.
8:30 Manning completes a 12-yard touchdown pass to tight end Larry Donnell, who caught the ball over Bowman. 30-27 Giants with 21 seconds left.
8:32 Vereen: 8 catches for 86 yards and 1 touchdown.
8:34 Kaepernick throws the ball away on first down. 11 seconds left.
8:35 Kaepernick runs out of bounds for a two-yard loss on second down. Four seconds left.
8:35 Kaepernick completes a seven-yard pass to Boldin with the game on the line. Giants win. Stay tuned for grades.
Go Michigan!
Harbaugh (5-1) vs. Tomsula (1-4)
Onward to 4-12
– Vance McDonald will start for Vernon Davis
– Corey Lemonier will start for Ahmad Brooks
– The Niners did not make any changes to their starting offensive line
Is there such a thing as “un-music to my ears?”
Yep!!!
All I can hope is that they will rotate in O line players until they find a competent cohesive group.
Lots of rumors about changes on the O-line for this game. Anyone know the sources?
One O-Line changes I’ve been expecting has little to do with which lineman’s starting. I keep thinking they will surprise defenses by running more gap scheme to the left with Miller in the game. Not replacing zone, just folding in more gap runs then they do now to change things up.
Maybe the like the qb being punished. This oline is a joke. All 5 guys
Hmm, I wonder why White is deactivated. Could Hayne be returning kick offs?
Ellington, I would think.
I don’t think so. I think Ellington. But hey Thomas is active. Maybe he finally gets it
There is goes again. My comment is once again moderated.
I guess we’re on probation.
You I can understand, but me; I’m a good guy :)
LOL Touche´.
I’m amazed Devey is still starting ??also very surprised Purcell hasn’t been active yet ?
Way off topic, but found this interesting:
http://www.newsday.com/sports/media/cris-collinsworth-liked-using-pro-football-focus-so-he-bought-it-1.10940909
I didn’t think that was too far off topic. But this is:
http://grantland.com/the-triangle/nfl-nbc-sunday-night-football-cris-collinsworth-al-michaels-roger-goodell/
The Lions attempted 70 passes today, 2 for TDs. The Cardinals attempted 18, 3 for TDs.
Grant its not hard to believe. Lynch isint there. Wilson is having to carry more of the load. In my opinion, he’s not built that way. Yes he can make plays.. But when he’s the focus of the offense, those plays he makes isint enough sometimes. He needs Lynch
True.
That O line is worse than the 49ers’, and their defense is not the same as it was in previous years.
[shudders]
Chris Biderman @ChrisBiderman
Really important O-line news: RG Jordan Devey is snapping the ball in warm ups, indicating he’d back up Marcus Martin at center.
The Lions have given Tomsula no other option if Kaepernick struggles today. If he doesn’t pull him he’ll have to answer a hundred questions about why Stafford can be pulled but not Kaepernick.
Whatever, that’s just a hundred more answers for him to mumble and stumble through.
I can understand trying Devey and Pears on the offensive line. O.K. you tired it and it did not work, time to move on. So try the rookies, see what Thomas and Brown can do. It is not as if they could be worse. It has been a pattern with the niners that they have a plan, put it into motion, and then stick with it even when it doesn’t work. There is not much flexibility in this organization. Organizations, football and non-football, can be flexible and adaptable when there is no blame casting and persons at the top of the organization are personally secure. I do not think that is the case with the niners, unfortunately. I wonder how much autonomy the coaches have to make personnel changes. I suspect everything has to go through Baalke. I saw a photo this week of Baalke observing the offensive line practice, he was not in the stands watching from a GM perspective, rather he appeared to be very close to the action in a position of a coach. I find this very concerning. Who tells him when he is wrong, who stands up to him when his personnel decisions blow-up. I don’t think it is Tomsula, I don’t think it is anybody. Organizational health starts at the top and I think our niners are an unhealthy organization.
I continue to root for my team. But I am fearful for the future. One of my fears is that we will win a few games and think everything is fixed. It ain’t.
Go Niners!
This is going be interesting Personally, I hope the “major” offensive alternations benefit QB7. The defense should be okay. Good Luck team.
If we control odb, we win
The wr screen looks nice!
WHO IS THAT FLASH?!!!!!! GO LIGHTNING!
I am smarter than all the 49ers coaches. How fkn hard was it to figure out that Bruce Ellington needed early and often touches?
same pass play…must have seen something on tape?
Nobody runs harder in the league than Hyde!
A good qb would love him
THESE COACHES ARE HORRIBLE!!!!!
The pass to Ellington wasn’t working? Kaep couldn’t pass for 3 yards? Why do I keep having this nightmare?!!!
Not sure what to say but talk about bogging down
No roll outs…..smh on 3rd and short. …..
Nice start. Just hated to see the usual get close and fail to push it in.
Stupid calls on 3rd down again.
Same stuff different coordinator
I guess they didn’t want CK to throw an interception in the redzone. OK, baby steps.
Not only was the play call horrific but to run bush up the middle behind Devey is unspeakable!
Man in motion? That is the major change to the offense. Well, they are trying. Roman relied heavily on motion. Remember those days? All those players presnap running around leaving one second on the clock. Tom Landry was the Master of Motion (MOM).
wow, this team as no faith in Kaep.
Brock’s our best CB, huh?
Would be nice if someone would tackle.
Defense
I think that was Wilhoite that made that stop. Maybe somebody lit a fire under his butt.
Good job not to break defense
As a Gator fan I have to say I can’t stomach Chris Collinsworth,how this guy has a job is beyond me
Niners no more field goals, tired of it, TD or nothing.
this team cannot be afraid to throw the ball downfield. this is the NFL – play like you’re part of the league and you have a chance
The offense play calling is really sad
23 Jordan: It is high school stuff. The Yorks deserve this and more…
ok, now how about throwing on first down, instead of waiting til 3rd down
Got lucky on a no call there
Did someone get to Kaep?
You mean to tell me he learned how to throw the ball away in practice this week? Well looking at that last play, I guess it’s still a work in progress!
Bow looks fluid early. Hope he doesn’t get bound up as the game gets long.
Grant, didn’t you repeatedly say that Brock is the Niners’ best CB? Still think so? What about Dontae?
We went from having the best LB corp in the league to what is arguably the worst.
Absolutely right!!!
You could say the same for the coaching staff.
Another thing our coaches and Lbs have in common: They’re gonna get exploited all year.
Coffee: We went from having the best coaching staff in the league to this band of clowns..
E,
They are all bad if you ask me. tHey are young, hopefully they improve.
Defense appears to be ever so bendable.
Good thing Baalke took Ward and a couple of other scrubs instead of trading up to get ODB!
#FireTrentBaalke
Yeah, he really took the Giants to another level. Great playoff run last year.
Do u actually think ODB would do anything on this team?
God Bowman is a mere shadow of himself. Mentally and physically.
Really sad.
Hopefully he keeps getting better and nest year get to 100%
There goes Vereen, abusing Bow like Grant said.
Bowman’s been abused by just about every back and TE on NY.
Every time Manning wants to move the sticks, he just throws to a man guarded by an MLB.
Can’t get Hodges up to speed fast enough.
Yup.
Amen
Death by a thousand cuts….slowly.
This is painful to watch at all levels.
Manning: 11 for 13 (125 passing yards)
one TD… no sacks and no interceptions.
Is Kaep paying attention to this…??
He is gonna get schooled tonight, hmm?
early Christmas present for the boy:
a laser so he can clean up his dermis. Yup.
OK, down by just 7. Let’s answer, quick passes. No runs on third down.
Well, Fellas, I think we need to accept that we’ve already won this game!
We got some points in the first quarter, so that’s a win. Now we can just hand it off another 35-50 times and gain another 100-150 yards and watch the Giants put up 35 points.
35-3, Giants.
But at least Kaep showed he can pass the ball to Ellington. We can employ that game plan next season.
I see Tiller is in the game.
Kap seems to be getting some decent pass protection, or am I wrong.
It seems the pocket is fine but he looks scared, going backwards.
Oh look. Spread on 1st Down gets 8 yards.
Let’s make one thing clear. Hyde is not one of the best running backs in the NFC and it has nothing to do with the offensive line.
What games have you been watching? He gets hit in the backfield EVERY play.. No one can block. It’s embarrassing. Hyde is Elite but his team is awful.
The same ones you are but without the rose tinted glasses. He has poor vision and gives up and tries to change direction too soon. He has no patience no timing.
He has no where to go! Impossible to run with a line this bad.. He breaks tackle after tackle. His a beast.
I wonder why the 49ers don’t have DDY patches on their uniforms like the Giants have ATM on theirs.
There nowhere to run. People are in the backfield before Hyde has the ball
2nd and 17 and they call for a 2 yard pass. 4th down now…another punt.
Thats beyond sad.
Kap finishes his drop and keep going backwards until throwing from his back foot. And he doesnt even look beyond 5 yards.
Has Chryst ever heard of a tendency breaker?
Yup. A few 2nd and shorts, and not one play action pass?
If we cannot get positive yards from the running plays, we have zero chance in this game.
Thats the best run defense so far in the NFL. Forget running. We could not do that against worse defenses.
I don’t understand how we can continue to pretend we have a right side of an o- line
This is Arizona all over again.
They might not punt all night
I think we would be better served to play without a right guard than to play with Devey. Did you see him wiff then get picked up and thrown aside by the defensive end?
Chryst says he wont have Kaep throw downfield on 3rd and 13? what is this, Pop Warner?
Al Michaels with the Jai-Alai reference
I like the 49ers DBs. They are young, physical and tough. Mangini should let them play more man coverage.
The DB’s are terrible, they are constantly chasing the receivers, out of position an being beat
We might as well play nickel the whole night with Tartt in there. Our ILB is getting abused.
Yep, makes sense.
That’s what we need to do in base defense. I’ve been saying that for a few weeks now.
Dime Baby! Tartt and Ward.
Wards alright. You think people will ever get off his back?
He’s going to keep getting better. If/when he becomes a ballhawk people will understand. But that can only happen if/when they(the whole defensive unit) really get the hang of Mangini’s defense.
Bosa or Nkemdiche could really help this team.
Looking for the zone blitz. They know we blitz so why not drop a lineman and fool Eli.
There’s a need for some serious talent on this offense but the play calling is horrible. Absolutely horrible. Half of the drives stall because of bad calling. They had 2nd and short on the first drive in the Giants side of the field and ran both times.
Tiller is in the game, but I can’t see where he has been lining up. Is he replacing Devey?
Yep, he has replaced Devey.
Lucky to be down by only 10. offense must do something right now. Thie Giants are not a great defense.
They’re great at one thing: stopping the run.
Ruh-Roh!
Offensively, this game’s magical work around is leading to he same result. My boss told me consistency is a virtue…
somebody tell Colin:
four minutes should be plenty of time
to put up seven. Not three, not zero…
SEVEN POINTS. Get us back in the game.
Did Ellington get traded after that first drive?
OMG
How long do you need to throw the ball
There was a decisive throw.
bout time
Has Hyde wide open on the dump off, hesitates. Has the middle of the field wide open to scramble, hesitates. End result, throws the ball out of bounds. Draft can’t come soon enough.
Tiller looks really good!
Looks like Tiller is doing a nice job on pass protection. I think the whole line is doing a pretty good job.
Yeah upgrade so far.
I read QB7’s lips: “Mississippi one, Mississippi two…”
Wow. Vance caught a pass! This might be our night. Tiller looks good, but anybody looks better than what wasout there.
Someone is going to killed out there. My wife is laughing. The Mad Stork is reborn.
Dodged a bullet.
Another field goal?????
YEP
FG? Tomsula is coaching scared.
Pears or the TE got beat badly on that play. Man that was off the finger tips of Boldin too. Tiny bit better throw and that’s a TD
That was the TE.
Celek, I think.
Tills looking better than Devey so far? Again no creativity in the red zone. Bunch formation anyone?
My dog has a bigger pair and it’s a she. Go for it try to win a game
Pick six would
Be nice
Will that work?
Unless we can get to Manning, he’ll just continue to pick us apart.
Colin..!!!
We talked about this…!!!
Another first half with no
touchdowns…???!!!!!
The Niner fans are “restive”.
Hint to #7… that means unhappy, okay?
Live by the blitz, die by the blitz.
Pretty much we just die by the blitz.
Maybe they should play a little more conservative on defense until everyone gets on the same page.
Manning sees right thru Mangini’s blitzes and knows exactly where to throw the ball.
This coaching is SO bad! You blitz everyone when there trying to get in FG range? What kind of an idiot is this guy. We have a third 1 and we are getting better push with Tiller and we don’t give it to Hyde????
Wow. Are we really going to let them score again before the half time?
Yes. Thanks Eli!
INT keeps us in the game… but Manigini has to find a solution for all those short passes over the middle where MLBs usually are.
Hahahaha!
There’s that Manning-face.
Finally someone makes a big play. Hasn’t happen for awhile.
I’m gonna stay positive. We’re still in the game. I think Kap has regained some confidence and who knows, maybe Eli will gift us the game.
Kaep is doing fine so far but he needs better contribution from the running game.
I know it is not fair but everytime they show Tomsula on the sideline he looks confused or bewildered.
JH was way more fun to watch. At least he knew what he was doing.
Spittle is entertaining.
The ranting and facial tics were my favorite
And super awkward pressers.
I am looking forward to half time adjustments. Kaep’s lack of skills makes game planning difficult. The offense is improved, but not difficult to achieve eight first downs is the team gold standard.
Lol Dan Patrick-“this catch is nuts.”
On the bright side, Chase Utley was suspended for games 3 and 4.
This staff doesn’t adjust well, we’re down by 7. Nothing will change in the second half but the lead for NY.
Sorry I’m seeing the same qb, the same non existent running game, the same hobbled Bowman, the same scrub in wilhoite, the same picked up blitzes with lb in coverage, the same fast receiver torching the secondary, the same holes on the o-line.
Seriously what will it hurt to put Gabbert in. In fact it juuuust might give a spark to the offense AND defense. We ran more complex offensive plays in my high school days.
Let’s go Blue Jays!
Now we’re talking.
Aaahhhhhh. Takes me back…
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TSGdfv13lwQ
Only needed them to win the east because I hate the Yankees. I hate the Rangers too, but I’m seriously pulling for those lovable losers from the north side. Maybe a chi vs Toronto WS. I wouldn’t mind that
They are loveable in a freaky kinda way!
Lol longtime losers. You can’t hate them.
The defense can get off the field at all.
And the offense still look inept.
On the bright side, Tiller is looking much better than Devey, and he and Pears might be ok enough to start.
Problem is Martin still really bad.
If Kilgore can come back and be effective than the Oline might be serviceable for the second half of the season.
But, baby steps…
If the 49rs win the turnover battle and knock in a few more threes anything is possible. A lot like 2014.
Good stop. Let’s see if the offense can do something.
Even a field goal in this posession will do wonders.
Are they shrinking QB7’s head?
Nice touch.
Go aftet Dahl!
Collinsworth is right. VMac needed to lay out for that TD catch.
Yep or a shorter throw
Thought the pass was money,he slowed up and than had alligator arms
He is following Davis’ footsteps unfortunately. :(
He’s a 4.6 guy not a 4.35 guy.
I meant on not laying out.
Al Michaels just had a senior moment.
Why is Devey back in there??
Great question
Halleluiah!!
Well I will be damned! Finally
Finally
The offense looks like an NFL team. RED ZONE! Kaep chunk pays! OMG!
Remember it’s the worst pass d in the NFL
“plays”
That’s about as good of a drive as you can have, maybe the best of the year considering the circumstances. The problem is consistency.
There more consistent this game than any other. The pass game is opening some running lanes
Wilhoite must smear butter on his hands or something.
Alright. Another stop. Let’s see if the offense can keep it up.
Almost afraid to hope.
I don’t know who makes returns up the sideline better than Hayne. You wouldn’t think he could make 18 yards out of that.
Yeah, he really is good at that.
Truth
For Chryst sake keep throwing the ball. Its loosening up the D and the runs are now working. Do not go into a shell.
Where’s our friend fan77?
Did Reggie Bush get hurt again?
Re injured calf
And we never seem to throw him the ball
What’s Hunter’s status? He was cut right? Can’t we bring him back and release Bush.
Sounds like a plan
There it is. The offense finally gets a rhythm down and dropped passes, penalty, and a missed block! Boldin I don’t want to hear any complaints for tonight’s game.
Beckham looks like a man among boys.
He is. Bad angles and giving him the middle all night.
That is a punch to the gut. Can the 49ers answer the call?
Ha. Grat cant get anything right.
When he criticizes the offense, they score.
When he says its time to take the lead, they sink.
That’s some powerful jinx.
Belldozer sighting.
WTF?
Kap is lost.
And the bonehead moves continue.
Our qb is the biggest idiot in football
Only when he doesn’t throw for a first down
mental error
That is our Monday Morning quarterback.
SMH, at least we got the 1st down.
Why cant they keep using Ellington?
Mind boggling
Good question. Think he’s hurt?
The fog of war.
What happened to “Tempo”?
That’s it
Good play
Now we’re starting to use some of T. Smith’s value. Penalties.
Uncatchable but I’ll take it
Torrey’s super power is drawing flags
Like to see Hayne get a TD
Will Celek work?
Yes,Hayne for the game winner
Did you see that!
Kap has never completed a fade in his life. He throws the ball,to hard and too far every time.
Yep, Collinsworth called it. He said that ball needs to be thrown earlier and not wait for Boldin to establish that he can get behind the defender.
He’s still tentative, but better. At least they’re scoring points.
Beckman questionable on return
Beckham
I think we’re all in shock that the offense actually showed up for this game.
What ever adjustments they made are working. No one’s called for Gabbert in a whole quarter
Kaep under center more is one adjustment and they’ve taken some shots tonight, which is nice.
Lol..
I think it was Scooter that says that CK plays better aftet a back to back bad games.
Keep it up Kaep! Nice job
Yeah, I was gonna look up his QBR to this point, but I don’t want to jinx it.
Then I won’t tell you.
Torrey Smith doing Torrey Smith things.
Giants pass defense is truly horrible.
I think we are not that far behind. :)
Ours might be worse
The crowd seems listless or maybe they went home. I believe evening games on the east coast suit the 49ers.
5pm start for them.
@GrantCohn, Kaep did actually throw a pass longer than 8yrs…he had the 37 pass to Anquan Boldin (against Craig Dahl none-the-less)
Check the time of my comment.
I remember when the 49ers LBs made tackles for no gain.
I can’t stand watching wilhoite anymore. He can’t even stand a wr up. He’s a bum!
I agree. Not physical enough and can’t cover!
Need a stop here
He’s just pickin’ us apart.
Soft middle zone
Is Corey Lemon even playing?
Harold must be better at rushing
Damn
Acker could have made the play of the game.
This setting up to be a gut check for QB7. Possibly OT.
Good play by Acker, needed a great one.
At least it’s not 7
The Giants are giving the 49ers a chance to steal this.
At the very least they should beat the spread.
About to find out if Kaepernick can do it,looks different when he has protection and rolls out
Yes, against the worst pass defense in league he is all world. We need him like this every week. That he has yet to prove he is capable of doing. Even when we had a D and Oline, he suffered with consistency. We will see where he is next week. That will be more telling than one bounce back game.
Not saying elite but looks different when he isn’t running for his life
True, but so does any qb. You have to be able to make plays under duress. Eli has been harassed by Lynch all night and has still made plays. He has two sb trophies because of it. We need kaep to operate under pressure too.
So my assessment is a) we have played well enough to hang around b) Giants played poor enough early to let us c) Giants aren’t very good.
Kaepernick rebounded as he eventually does. That’s what keeps you on the hook…and leads leads to the consistency issues again later. Next game He is lost again. In fact, he and Stafford are starting to look quite similar.
It’s like my golf game. Just when I’m ready to throw my clubs in the lake, I make a great shot.
I got pissed one day golfing,took my driver on a par 3 178 yard hole swung as hard as I could f..king around and didn’t hit clean but go a hole in one
That’s what I’m talking about.
Giants aren’t very good. But you have to beat even bad teams….
http://e.lvme.me/lm3jhj5.jpg
Nice touch pass by Kap
It was. Two of the best, maybe only touch throws kaep has ever made, in this game.
Tremendous effort by team. I will give them that. No quit. This season will serve them well later.
Wow, came back from the store and the Niners have turned this around. They might just win this. 20-23 at the 2:00 mark…
I gotta say Grant, predicting Reggie Bush would last long enough to out gain Hyde is pretty effing bold.
Haha
They have to pound it out on the ground.
That’s what she said.
Torrey Smith has drawn 3 penalties tonight.
Woohoo, Torrey Smith!
Torrey’s super power again
Didn’t someone say Kap has never had a game winning/go ahead TD drive?
They’ll keep saying it till he throws a TD. Great drive. Too much time left.
Okay let’s run Kaepernick in,that was to close
Yes yes yes
Eat it TomD
Thats what…nevermind.
Now the defense has to step it up.
They left Eli a lot of time.
Yeah
Beckham’s out, Randle’s out. C’mon Mangini.
C’mon Eli, you are way under your INT quota this season, give us one. .
Eli is going to take what the defense gives him.
Vereen is tough coverage for anybody.
LOL NFL refs.
INT!
T Brock
Trapped it. Eli dodged a bullet.
Lynch is getting a hand on Eli nearly every play and disrupting his throws
Damn, I thought we had it.
It’s going back to the Giants
You can’t say you’re still not bitter when bringing up two super bowl loses to a franchise decades ago. Shut your face collinsworth we know you hate us!
Forget the INT, give us a fumble.
Holding on the oline
Not Kap’s fault on that one
And the 49ers get screwed on the grounding no-call, the hold VS pass interference, and then the ball was moving when the receiver was going down. Just wow.
Not why we’ll lose
A grounding call around mid-field sure would have been huge. This drive gifted to the NYG courtesy of a few timely calls.
Don’t be that fan who cries about the refs. We should have run time out during our TD drive or caught that floating pass from Eli. Or not let Vereen run free. Any of those things would have won the game. Depending on the refs is not how it’s done.
Just frustrating to see them this close for the win. Yes, this is on the 49ers. Played the old prevent defense and Eli chewed them up. Lousy team. I should be happy they lost. It means another nail in the coffin for the current coaching regime which is not ready for prime time, and keeps pressure on the Yorks to make changes.
It wasn’t grounding and the pass interference amounted to 8 yards. The D just could not stop them from driving down the field without their starting wideouts. That’s inexcusable.
I cannot remember giving up a TD in a minute under fangio.
Betha got boxed.
F this defense!!!!!!!!
Bowman is nowhere near the same player he used to be. Went from being a strength to a weakness.
He was in good position on that throw
He was in good position on that throw but was being torched by the RBs in pass coverage all night.
Yeah everyone was being torched by the RB’s. Tartt, Wilhoite as well.
Need to get Torrey in the seam.
Why did Bethea not dive on Donnell to knock the ball out. He’s just standing and reaching.
The 49ers played like they’re capable of playing. Nice near victory Coach Tomsula. Good Night everyone.
Unblocked?
That is a heartbreaker.
Defense lost this game, not the offense.
Sure and next week it will be the offense. The fact is, we are not good enough in all areas of the game. You have to be consistent and we are not. The Giants are not very good.
I agree.
That’s one loss closer to a playmaker. It’s better to be bad than mediocre.
That’s got to be the worst play I have ever witnessed to end a game. Go for hail mary or something that was just giving up.
I’ve seen less movement on the ball on our receivers called a no catch
I know, right? I was yelling at my TV that the ball was moving…a hometown call if I’ve ever seen one!!!
Yeah but there’s no way they make that call.
Almost the entire Giant offense was throwing the ball over the short middle over and over again… you would think Mangini could make an adjustment.
Also stupid game management for Chryst (or CK) throwing the ball away down on the goal line. If he can instead, that would eat more clock.
Stupid coaching and a huge problem with ILBs trying to cover.
Yes our linebackers are not good in coverage. Other teams know that.
Well it sucks to say this but play better and lose might be a best bet at this point. Nice job Kaep! O line played better and he looked better. Go figure. Our Defense sucks!!!!!! Missed INTS to seal the game twice and we fell to capitalize. This is on Bowman and company tonight. Just an awful performance… Letting vereen catch pass after pass!!!! Terrible
Really, the blame alternates every week. We play the Hawks in two weeks, anyone really want to bet whether leap plays well. Doubt it.
Kaep
Wait until you all see the replay on the td,they held right in front of the official and he never called it.
You think they’ve got the stones to call that? It’s new York. …
Seems like we gave up
Looks like they were happy with losing by 3 points…no heart no passion no fight
We need heart
Someone should ask York if it bothers him sharing ownership of the 49ers with every other team in the NFL.
Giants had 525 yards of offense with 441 yards of passing. Niners had 380 yards of offense.
And most of them came from short passes to the middle over and over again. :(
Heartbreaking, but not embarrassing. I guess that will have to do for now.
How long will Tomsula be able to keep the locker room? Will they continue to play hard?
Tough way to lose but it was good to see Kap have a solid game, something he can build on. From where he was a week ago, this has to be a boost.
Good News. The Ravens have almost as bad a pass defense as the Giants.
Some guy named Gary Barnidge tore the Ravens up.
Correct, Kaep will look great another week and then play Hawks and wheels will come off.
cant tackle cant cover awful defense
I don’t mind the losing as much when they put up some points.
At least we were competitive. I much prefer losing that way than getting blown out.
I just wanna be entertained.
Mangini is doing a pretty lame job so far.
The defense is not playing well any games (aside from the opener), especially the roadies.
The middle of the field passes are always open.
Our MLBs are playing poorly. And Tartt and Reaser weren’t much better in nickel and/or dime.
The DBs are in their first season, so maybe they improve along the year.
But we desperately need better play from MLBs and some pass rush other than Lynch.
Hope that hat Hodges guy is better than Wilhoite/Bowman (this year’s version), but I have no hopes for a better pass rush this year.
All in all it was a game that was an upgrade over what they were doing.
But we have to keep in mind that the Giants pass defense is atrocious.
Prior to the start of the season I thought that the only games we had a shot winning before the bye were MIN, NYG and BAL.
We got the first and almost got this one. But since we came up short, next week is a must win for this CS.
It’s the scheme I think and not the players. Really soft coverage in the middle.
The scheme is definitely flawed (or the players are executing it badly – probably a combination of both).
But the MLBs plays has been terrible.
I focused on them tonight and did not like what I saw.
I think there’s lots of reasons for their play. I am not ready to throw them out yet. Could be the d line protected them for years, could be like our OLB’s in Mangini’s scheme are out of position before tonight, could be decline in their ability. Hodges is a good ILB. There’s so much space in the middle of the field. I don’t get why they’re letting WR’s, TE’s and RB’s nearly run free.
262 total yards passing by Kaep
two sacks and two touchdowns…
JUST NOT GOOD ENOUGH..!!
Eli Manning spanked you, fella.
Alex Smith (also 1 and 4 ) sez:
Yes, I feel your pain.
Giants are worst 3-2 team in league. Horrible defense. Made a QB with zero confidence look otherworldly. Seriously, if I were a giant fan I wouldn’t get too excited. Not going far this year with that D.
I’m absolutely flabbergasted at our Defensive Coordinator, if you want to call him that. Mangini has to go. It’s been a long time since I have seen a defensive scheme that is this soft. And honestly, I don’t believe I have ever seen a DC be so inept, that his defense cannot even take away a single player when most of the opposing teams best players are hobbled, or barely capable.
I have never seen a defense that is this confused about their assignments this far into the season. I honestly do not think Mangini is a capable DC. I am not using exaggerations. I never do. eric Mangini is not an NFL caliber defensive coordinator. Yes, the 49ers have a weakness at linebacker. I get that. But Mangini’s scheme only magnifies the weakness. A decent coordinator would try to mask the weakness.
I am angry for the first time this season. I am angry because the 49ers brass wasn’t smart enough to realize mangini is a charlotin. He is a farce. A fake. A fraud. Mangini is a phony. He is playing dress-up as a pretend DC. He is make-believe. And he is a sham!
Shame on the 49ers for hiring this guy. He is not worthy of being an equipmkent manager let alone defensive coordinator.
And if the team doesn’t replace Mangini tomorrow, I am boycotting until they do!
Good night!
Yeah he’s bad, but it two weeks from now it will be our offense. The reality. None of it is good. It’s a b movie, with b actors and b directors. That’s the truth. If we win 3 games it will be a miracle…and frankly I would rather not win three games. Meaningless.
AAAMEN….yep dude is a bigtime PHONY! 1000% AGREE
Great post & unfortunately for us RIGHT ON
Man our lb crew went from being the best into this…..how sad!!!!
I don’t see the point in winning the rest of the year. We need high picks!
Couldn’t agree more. Winning two or three games does nothing for us.
Think Brooks was missed tonight?
I do
God point.
Totally forgot about him.
Should have included him on my upgrades expected for next weeks.
VD could be one too, but I don’t know if we can count on him being healthy anymore.
We sure can’t count on Bush.
Good
Really, when was the last time VD was an upgrade? Three years ago?
He still would be an upgrade over McDonald in the passing game if healthy.
You know your offensive line is horrible when they can’t even give your QB enough time to throw a Hail Mary with 20 second left in the game.
I don’t know about that 23. They had pretty good pass protection through most of the game. But I agree in that I’d like to know why Kap didn’t have more time at the end. Looking forward to some film review on that.
Guys were unblocked on both plays. Wrong protection was called or they weren’t prepared for the blitz
Defense lost this game
Yep
Agree!
Mangini bye bye?
The scheme is not dumb down enough for our 8 new staters on defense Eric! Hello?
Who’s his replacement? Sparano?
Jason Tarver
If they didn’t kick Chryst to the curb they’ll stick with Mangini for a while. I did like the safeties jumping routes, leaving the OLB’s in to rush, the run d mostly, and some of the coverages. I didn’t like the coverages on the middle of the field, TE’s and RB’s. They killed us. I didn’t like them leaving Acker on Beckham. It also didn’t seem like they were double covering Odell.
What was that on the 2nd down when a defender came in unblocked? WTF!!!
Yeah and they were only rushing 3
My fish must be a 49ers fan,just opened the lid to feed it and it jumped out of the tank onto the floor
When I was a kid we had a kissing fish like that. I can’t tell you how many times we came home and found that fish stiff as a board on the floor. Just tossed it back into the tank and with 5 minutes it was swimming around again. Unbelievable.
Funny
Kaep had a nice game tonight. The seam pass to Boldin was his best past this year.
There are no moral victories. Defense looked great last week but they had problems slowing down Shane Vareen? Come on now.
Yeah we couldn’t find anyone to stop Vereen? Tough loss.
This team just couldn’t play good in all phases at the same time. Last week, the D played good and the offense didn’t show up. Tonight, it was the reverse. Maybe, next week the whole team will show up.
That’s coaching
They did not look so great to me.
GB was on a short week and long flight.
We needed a missed FG to keep things close in the first half.
And after they got to 17-3 they pretty much controlled the clock and let their defense finish the game. If they needed more points, I have no faith we could have stopped them.
Mangini’s defense is playing really bad and atrocious on the road.
They need to make some major changes on that side of the ball.
Fan77,
I will take the liberty to apologize to you on behalf of Kaep. I mean, how dare he not give you anything to belly-ache about! (lol).
Just one posts in the over 400 hundred on this thread? C’mon Fan, where’s your resolve, bud?
Btw, to add to your disappointment, Kap will be starting the next game.
Grant: “5:10 The Giants have the worst pass defense in the NFL. If Colin Kaepernick struggles tonight, the Niners have to bench him at halftime. No choice.”
He didn’t get benched. Hardly CK’s fault, the offensive play-calling was downright offensive: the plan was to run the ball and run the ball on the worst pass D in the league. I am puzzled.
The Niners defense allowed over 500 yards to a team with a single offensive weapon: no Cruz, no Fells, no real threat at RB, and lost Odell at the halfway mark. I am puzzled as to why the plan didn’t include constant pressure from all sides on Manning.
I’m looking for upgrades in the form of Tiller (really liked him tonight), Simpson and Hodges (don’t know him, but hopeful that he’s an upgrade from what we’ve got).
If we can get Kilgore back and effective that would be huge. But for now I think it’s doubtful for this season.
With those upgrades, some seasoning from the first year players, and the team getting used to the offensive and defensive system, my hopes for the near future are:
– A win againt BAL
– 4 wins after the bye against DET, at CHI, STL and at CLE
That would leave us with a 6-10 record that, all things considered, would be not embarassing and something we could build upon.
If we are looking for best case scenarios, maybe we can sneak a game up from ATL or CIN at home.
7-9 looks to me as our ceiling, and would not surprise me at all to finish the year 5-11 or 4-12.
262 total yards passing, two sacks & two TDs
NOT GOOD ENOUGH, Colin.
Eli Manning spanked you.
(and set a new record with 54 attempts).
You knew, when you saw that last Giant TD,
that it was ‘ova’….. Yes, you still had a minute
and some change. But you knew it was OVA.!!!
Next week: the Ravens (also 1 and 4).
They will hand you another home loss, fella.
Make sense okay,Eli did nothing to Kaepernick,why is every loss on his shoulders a**hole. The D lost this game
Some people shouldn’t be allowed to watch the game since don’t realize Colin doesn’t play defense.
Top 15 senior draft picks for 2016: http://www.nfl.com/news/story/0ap3000000508231/article/top-15-senior-prospects-for-2016-nfl-draft
When do you think we will draft? I’m thinking 3 to 5.
3-5 sounds about right. IMO the underclassmen are better prospects. Bosa, Nkemdiche, Treadwell, etc. I think Treadwell is my draft crush.
Likely, most of top 10 will be underclass men. Usually are. Next, I see us picking top 3. I don’t see more than two wins on our schedule. Goff will be pick at 1 regardless of Kaepernick. You have got to have an option B with someone as inconsistent as he is. Next, Weill take either top WR, DE, or OL. If Davis comes back, we won’t take top OL. We won’t draft G or C that high.
This loss and the PIT loss: Big Ben and Eli, two veteran QBs schooled Mangini.
I think the offense played well, but I’m gonna review that last scoring drive. There was simply too much time left on the clock for the Giants. I want to see if some smarter things could have been done to take more time off the clock. OTOH, it’s not like we have Brady or Rodgers as our QB. I should probably just be happy that we scored.
Yes @ too much time left on the clock. But, you have to look at where Kap was before the game. I realize there are no moral victories but one has to start somewhere.
In general, I agree with you. Tough loss but at least they made a game of it. I mostly blame the defense.
Frustrating loss. The Niners had the lead with less than 2 minutes to play. Gotta blame Mangini for this loss. Over 400 yards passing? Did not make adjustments that he was talking about before the game. He should not have blitzed so much and he should not have played deep zone. Mangini should have instructed his pass rushers to get a hand up to distract Eli and make it harder to throw over. Many times Eli threw over their head , but the defender had his head down, and did not see the ball.
At least this will put to rest the Gabbert starting talk. Kaep was much improved and did not throw an interception. Niners still need to address the clock management issues. The last second changes let the play clock bleed to 1 or 2 seconds left. Niners should have just lined up and run the play, and stop reading the defense and what their shifts are, because many many times, they would shift with 5 seconds left, so Kaep would change with too little time left.
Coach Tomsula should have dialed up an explosion play when he had second and short. He should learn that settling for field goals when it is 4th and short is a good way to lose games. Wasting time outs is still not a good practice.
Coach Tomsula was presented with a first and goal from the 2. He should have run the ball straight ahead, but tell his players not to score too early, so they have to burn time outs.
I am happy, because they did bubble SCREENS, slants and swing passes. Kaep got the ball out of his hands quickly to his playmakers. Hayne made another player miss on his 16 yard return. They scored 27 points. They had the lead.
But most important of all, I am happy because they rotated O linemen in.