SANTA CLARA – Carlos Hyde was interviewed by Bay Area reporters in the 49ers’ press trailer Thursday afternoon. Here is a transcript.
Q: Is the offensive philosophy the same at the 49ers as it was at Ohio State?
HYDE: I think it’s actually a little different here. They run the ball a lot more here. Being a running back here is awesome. I think it’s going to be a little different, but then again it’s going to be kind of the same because we have a running quarterback here, also. There will be plays where you have to run block for the quarterback.
Q: You described your running style as violent. What do you mean by that?
HYDE: I run with anger. I don’t shy away from contact. I’m a relentless runner, a guy who’s always scratching and clawing for those extra yards.
Q: You don’t seem like an angry guy right now. What’s your transformation like on game days?
HYDE: I’m only angry on the field. That’s when guys are trying to hit me. Off the field I’m a nice guy.
Q: Are you glad you played for Urban Meyer?
HYDE: I actually got recruited by Coach Meyer when he was the head coach at Florida and I decided not to go there because I had seen the spread offense. I didn’t really see any big running backs back there running the ball for them. The only big guy back there was Tim Tebow, and I don’t think I’m playing quarterback. So, I didn’t go there. I went to Ohio State because it was a traditional offense. Big backs, they flourish in that offense. It’s crazy how it worked out – Coach Meyer ended up there. I saw him in the locker room one time, and he said, “Isn’t it crazy that I’m here now and we’re together?” We laughed. In that offense, we actually ran a lot of power and a lot of spread – it’s just out of the gun. It wasn’t too different from being in the I formation or being behind the center.
Q: What do you think of the 49ers’ running game?
HYDE: I think their running game is great. It’s a huge success in their offense. I really pay attention to Frank Gore. That was a guy that before I got drafted I was comparing myself to him and Marshawn Lynch. Those guys are relentless with the ball and they run tough. Being able to watch Frank Gore and to have an opportunity to learn from him is awesome. Not too many people get to learn from a guy who probably is going into the Hall of Fame. I’m going to really pay attention to him and take notes.
Q: Have you had a chance to talk to Gore?
HYDE: No, I haven’t had a chance to talk to him yet. He’s in here early in the morning getting a workout. When I get here, he’s leaving. So, I haven’t had a chance to talk to him yet.
Q: How can you take your game to the next level?
HYDE: Learning from Frank. Becoming a better run. Seeing what he does right. Just learning from other guys’ mistakes so I don’t do that. Taking my weaknesses and turning them to strengths.
Q: How much pass protection did you do at Ohio State?
HYDE: A lot. That was a huge thing at Ohio State. If you can’t pass protect, there is a good chance you won’t play there. You have to learn it. I’ve done it a lot.
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Can’t wait to see him execute that down block out of the read option for Kaepernick…..
I’m liking this guy. I don’t put alot of stock into highlights, but you know a guy is good when he has such a high volume of good plays you start getting a little bored towards the end.
He’s kind of like a fast truck, isn’t he? His speed is deceptive. Also is a good lateral runner. Can’t wait to watch him play.
He runs upright.
Are you suggesting that as a drawback? Not sure from your comments. If you are, I don’t see that as an issue. Three examples: Jim Brown, Eric Dickerson, Arian Foster.
George – Nice job, three very good examples.
How do you think Hyde will do in the NFL?
A backup with no set role. He’s not a good short yardage back.
If that turns out to be the case, its a horrible pick at 57 in a “deep”draft, with the 2015 draft supposed to be deep at running back.
I like Hyde. He shows unusual agility for a guy his size and seems a natural catching the ball.
Grant couldn’t be more inaccurate in his evaluations. But everyone on this board already knows that. The real added value of Hyde is his ability to pass block and his soft hands out of the backfield. To me, Hyde’s a more versatile version of the Steelers’ Barry Foster, who was relentless and productive in his prime.
Name the three best running backs that have come from the Big Ten the last 20 years. The list of busts goes on and on. Remember T.J. Duckett? Ladell Betts? Joe Montgomery?
First off, Hyde is not the constant “upright” runner that guys like Eddie George, Erik Dickerson and Jim Brown were. Sometimes Hyde gets too high, but if you watch his film, he often runs with a low pad level in traffic.
Second, probably Eddie George is the Big Ten RB who comes to mind when thinking about which one has succeeded most in the NFL. But Grant’s right about that, the truth is there have been plenty of busts coming out of the Big Ten at RB.
Top three Big Ten RBs past 20 years are George, Larry Johnson and Tyrone Wheatley. I kid you not.
Montee Ball looked alright last season.
But its a good point about Big 10 RBs. Dayne, Curtis Enis, TJ Duckett, Chris Perry – all bigger backs from the Big 10 taken in round 1 that have failed to live up to the hype.
In Hyde’s favour, he displays much better footwork than those guys did. They just tried to run over you. Funnily enough that didn’t work out so well for them. I see a bit of Jerome Bettis in Hyde.
I don’t remember those guys being able to get to the edge like Hyde though.
You’re right Jack. Hyde has better quickness and shiftiness to him, like Bettis did.
I’ll never understand how a guy the size of Bettis was able to make himself so skinny through the hole…
Must have been all of those reps while running from the wishbone for Holtz at ND. ; )
Yup… Hyde reminds me of Jerome Bettis. Good call.
Hyde’s extremely low number of negative-yardage plays is ideal for the 49ers. Its the exact formula for beating Seattle, and the 49ers passing game relies on play action, and seems to fall apart in obvious passing situations (more then most teams do).
Bettis was the tenth pick of the 1993 draft.
“Bettis was taken 10th in 1993” and that would translate to about the 57th pick today. With the way the RB position is devalued that sounds about right. Bettis was the 2nd RB drafted Hyde was the 3rd. Bettis is in the hall of fame. If we get even half the production from Hyde that Bettis put up id say its a good pick
Past performance is usually a reliable indicator, but Grant went to UCLA, yet is almost always wrong about all things Niners related.
When was the last accomplished sportswriter out of UCLA? Art Spander?
Eric Branch, Brian Murphy, Phil Barber, Ann Killion to name a few.
“Extremely powerful short yardage/goaline runner” – Mike Mayock
Who am I to believe? An ex-player and one of the foremost draft experts – or you Grant? You know the answer. Hint – It’s not the latter.
nomaldedo, did you get tired of Flying V’s Epiphone and decide to join a real football blog?
“Extremely powerful short yardage/goal line runner” – Mike Mayock
Who am I to believe? An ex-player and one of the Draft’s best analysts, or you Grant?
I thought I read that the scouts said he was a good short yardage back. I figured that was a big reason he was drafted, to take Dixon’s place. Looking at his film though, he looks like he could soon become the featured back.
When he makes contact with the defender or the defender makes contact with him, Is he straight up?
most of his highlights show him straight up running fast and strong with nobody coming to tackle him head on. I have not seen him run straight into a defender……
which makes all this talk about running upright nonsense!!!
The more I think about the pick, the more I like…….Great pick…….
We beat the seafcks everytime we kill them with the run……….
He just signed, along with Dontae Johnson….
Here is where the upright running style kills you..
but hey at least we got the other guy :)
Grant. You are truly a committed troglodyte.
‘He runs upright.’
I don’t don’t think Baalke would agree with you on that point, Iggy.
‘”Baalke also highlighted Hyde’s vision, feet and an ability to “run with pads low.”‘
Kinda tough to keep your pads low while running upright.
I’m no NFL scout, but wow, this kid could be something special.
Thanx Brodie. Looks like we have a running back. Wow!
Buffalo tried to trade up for El Guapo http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2014/05/14/bills-tried-to-trade-up-for-carlos-hyde/
So Buffalo lost both Stevie Johnson and Carlos Hyde to Niners.
You got BAALKEd Buffalo!!
Nice one Crab and thanks for sharing that link. I enjoyed reading that article. They sure did get Baalked!
Nick – If Kap can elevate his game this year just a bit, we’ll get #6.
Like Hoferfan used to say…..All arrows up.
Where is hof???? Did he go to kansas city’s fan base? Or is he that harbaw superbowl monkey idiot??? Its either himor d.s
STEEL – Hof was a legend in here, he never announced why he was bailing on us….Maybe DS/Hardaway monkey pushed him to the breaking point. What a shame, he was an awesome contributor in here many years.
DS/Hardaway not Hardaway….My new phone has a mind of its own.
Harbaw….I hate this phone….disgraceful
Good ol’ elGuapo here approves of Hyde’s nickname. We can share. wow. I haven’t posted here in a VERY long while!!
Grant – That’s hilarious! “Don’t do that to “El Guapo”
EL Guapo – Good to see you back in here……I think you should change avatar to a Carlos Hyde photo….Go to gravatar.com
Kojak bang bang ….Old “Foul Play” movie…Lol…….I will change settings in this new phone. It changes letters man. Too high-tech for me.
Blocking and pass catching plus a fit as a runner. This guy is loaded with promise.
No one is projecting Hyde to be a feature back. Especially as a rookie. Hyde doesn’t shy away from contact, he’s physical. But watch his feet, watch his tape, he runs out of the pistol and bounces a lot of runs outside and has the speed to do it. I can’t wait to see him bounce one outside in Sherman’s direction. Make that boy tackle.
I joked when Stevie first got signed that Grant should interview him now before Stevie finds out that Grant disparages all of the Niners players. Too late. The inks not even dry on their contracts and Grant’s already painted Hyde and Stevie in a negative light…. Way to endear yourself to Niners players hahaha. Although I guess it doesn’t matter, your job doesn’t rely on interviewing these guys, just writing negatively about them in hope of frustrating Niner fans in this blog room ultimately generating more blog hits….
You must think professional athletes are extremely sensitive. I have a terrific working relationship with the 49ers coaches and players, especially Jim Harbaugh and Trent Baalke.
Grant I think you are embellishing a bit. You are a required task to them…… The best conversation you had with Harbaugh was about hot dogs and the toppings he puts on them…. What you don’t realize is that he guided the conversation in that direction in attempts to do the jedi mind trick on you.
I never asked Harbaugh about hot dogs. I ask him about football and he gives me good answers.
Ah busted you in a lie. Jim give NO ONE good answers hahaha.
I ask him direct questions and he gives me direct answers. Same with Baalke. There’s a mutual respect. They love competition.
Grant you are joking right? Professional athletes are VERY sensitive. Selfish, young, rich ego driven individuals. Some young second generation blogger comes in and disparages them regularly they are not going to have a “terrific” working relationship with that guy. ( YOU )
I guarantee you the second you talk to Harbaugh, and I doubt it’s often, the second that conversation begins, Jim’s internal stopwatch starts limiting how long that conversation will last…..38 seconds my guess….
You have no idea what you’re talking about. Too bad you can’t watch me do my job.
Sure we can. Harbaugh has several pressers live during the season.
There you go, Bay.
Grant, the guy serves no purpose on here because all he wants to hear is what’s inside his head. I’ve said from day one, Bayareafanatic has small mans syndrome and all he does is pollute the blog.
you do know that you are about as popular as a Jehovas Witness door knocking on a Saturday morning right?
You bring nothing handsome. No insight. 90% negativity.
Is there any way you and your fellow jourmalists can ask the Niners org to point a microphone toward you guys during pressers so that we can hear the questions you’re asking them?
Often times fans have to guess what the questions are based on the answers given and that kinda sucks.
Bay, Im not the one getting banned pal and the last thing Grant needs is a low life like you telling him how to do his job. His doing just fine. Stick to baseball kid.
As a one of Jehovah’s Witness I find this extremely…….hilarious.
See you tomorrow morning Bay.
Grant, those guys hate you and you know it. they cant slap you around because goodell would suspend them
The only person who seems to hate me is you.
dont be delusional grant! what planet are you from where you can talk crap about people, let alone print it, and not be despised by those people!?
Wait a minute: you actually think your a “liked” man in the 49 clubhouse dont you! You think those guys ” give you a pass” cause it’s” your job” dont you? Sorry i had to be the one to give you a reality check grant! Hope it dosent ruin your day.
and if you think bay and i are the only ones that hate you grant……you must not read all the post you sacrifice your integrity for!!! Go read the comments posted after you gave your ” draft grade” !
Constipation can clearly cause anger
Bay, that does seem to be Grant’s strategy. No one has to bite, though, right?
Dude I LOVE the Telly Savalas picture…. It’s money.
Grant something i’ve been wondering about for quite awhile. If you could choose would you rather be a daily columnist like your Pops or a beat writer like say Ira Miller and if the answer is beat writer which sport would you choose?
I want to do everything. I want to be an all-around journalist and cover all the major sports. I think the days of specialization in the sports section are ending.
Well you better go out and do it in Dallas. You haven’t pissed anyone off there yet…
Only one who’s upset is you.
thats not true! Im very upset too! It makes me upset that a 49er hating troll runs the 49 blog! The only people worse than grant are his bosses that think this crap is funny! true die hard fans like me are disgusted by this debacle. I seek news and instead get tormented with someones pessimistic opinion !! I can never log on here and get an honest unbiased opinion!!!!!!!! its always some garbage designed to piss people of and raise blog hits! Have some integrity press democrat! are you a tabloid or a NEWS OUTLET?????
You’ve got me all wrong. I’m not upset. I enjoy your pieces and our daily interactions….
You whine way too much
Grant, since you keep comparing Hyde to other running backs at Ohio State, I thought I’d rank them for you:
2) Eddie George
3) Keith Byars
4) Tim Spencer
5) Carlos Hyde
et al) Robert Smith, Beanie Wells, Maurice Clarett, Carlos Snow, Raymont Harris, Jeff Logan. Smith was a rare talent, but he wasn’t worth the trouble or arrogance. Wells was an incredible combination of size and speed… but seemingly made of glass. Clarett is a coulda, shoulda, woulda guy and MIGHT have ended up top 3… had he played more than one season. Harris, next to Tim Spencer, is the most undervalued/overlooked back on this list. Logan, his career was a loooong time ago, but man he could fly. Plus, he was the back who followed Archie Griffin and was First Team All-Big Ten to boot… in an era where tailbacks ruled football.
Robert Smith was a pretty good back.
Yeah he was.
Now he’s a guy that ran upright.
If he wasn’t so injury prone he could have had a stellar NFL career.
In short yardage situations, Hyde was less successful than Jeremy Hill, Tre Mason, Bishop Sankey, Ka’Deem Carey, Devonta Freeman and Storm Johnson.
Against Michigan State in the Big Ten Championship game, Urban Meyer called a run for Braxton Miller, not Carlos Hyde, on fourth-and-goal from the 2 with 7:36 left and Ohio State down three. Hyde pleaded for the ball on the sideline, but Meyer still went with Miller. Meyer wouldn’t have called Miller’s number in that situation if Meyer had confidence in Hyde to convert a crucial short-yardage situation.
That’s partly a result of Meyer’s offense. He likes to run with the QB. Using that single back to block gives him a numbers advantage.
Hyde averaged 2.71 yards per carry in short-yardage situations. Jeremy Hill averaged 3.53. Tre Mason averaged 3.06.
Yeah, I was more addressing why Meyer went with Miller instead of Hyde.
Its a shame in those stats that he doesn’t give the number (or %) of attempts for the 1st group of RBs against different defenses like he did for the 2nd group. Also a shame he doesn’t give a run down of how many short yardage attempts each RB had, and what defenses they were against.
I was just thinking the same thing. He mentioned Mason had a “non-significant amount of attempts” in short-yardage situations.
Yeah, there’s some good info he presents, but it could be even more informative if he provided the sample size or combined some of the break downs he does.
Hyde ran for a first down in 12 of 16 short-yardage opportunities last season. Illinois stopped him twice on third-and-short, once for no gain and once for a loss of two.
Only 1 SEC defense in the top 10 of rushing defense, compared to 3 in the Big 10.
Funny thing isn’t it. You take out that one series against Illinois and all off a sudden you’re 12 of 14 on short yardage situations and sitting at around 85%. And to think he actually had his highest average yards per carry for the season in that game too – very odd.
He was stopped for negative yards only 3 times all season. That’s pretty impressive.
He ran behind a great offensive line against Big Ten defenses, and his yards per carry average in short-yardage situations is significantly lower than Jeremy Hill’s who faced SEC defenses.
“one game”, not “one series”.
“his yards per carry average in short-yardage situations is significantly lower than Jeremy Hill’s”.
Yes, but that is what a stop for no gain and a 2 yard loss in one game will do to your average when you are only talking about 16 attempts. Take out the two Illinois runs and his average is above 3 yards a carry in short yardage situations, which is very respectable. And looking further up at Peshek’s data shows that Hill never ran against defenses that had 2 extra defenders than blockers, while Hyde did. I can’t confirm this, but I’m guessing those plays for Hyde coincided with short yardage situations.
The first time, he gets stopped for no gain on an outside sweep.
The second time, he gets stopped for a loss on a run up the middle. The numbers were even.
Yea, one of the first stats to catch my eye. 3 rushes for loss totaling 6 yards all season. That’s a stat that NFL teams should hold in higher regard…..
I agree razor – that’s highly impressive for a RB on a team that ran the ball significantly more often than it passed.
Grant, the 59 second mark of your video is a play that I expect to see executed by Mr. Hyde on more than one occasion this season…..
Someone named Zane Petty whiffed.
Yep, you’re right, numbers were even on those two stops. The first one he should have just lowered his shoulders rather than try the spin move, but that is what can happen when the play has you moving laterally.
The second one was a great job by the LB to avoid a block (the centre whiffed on his block badly) and fill the hole. An example of where Hyde didn’t get low enough to make sure he fell forward, but he also wasn’t afforded much time before getting hit – the LB was already 1-2 yards into the backfield and had time to set himself before contact was made. A poor job of blocking nixed that play.
According to ESPN stats Carlos Hyde had 31 short yardage rushing attempts last season (2 yards or less to go) and ran for 232 yards on these carries in total, 8 of which were for TDs. That’s a little less than 8 yards per carry. I’d say his short yardage capabilities are ok.
I think that’s a safe assessment Scooter…..
Also worth noting that on 17 goal to go runs he scored 10 TDs. That’s a pretty decent conversion rate.
Smith was a rare talent, but he wasn’t worth the trouble or arrogance.
Smh. What some label as arrogance, others call intelligence. Or a healthy set of priorities, depending upon which incident you are referring to.
Is it just me or has it been more heated than usual in here?
grant’s been on a scorched-earth trip for a while now…
We’re in the dead period in which we can debate ad nauseam about player x vs player y without any way of actually reaching a conclusion.
It leads to some heated debates. Especially when neither side is willing to make a concession.
Jack, maybe we should discuss our favorite jersey numbers by position instead. Just kidding, lol. Though I do like #32 for RB’s the most.
I’ve always thought 25 looks good, and my numbers back in the day were 11 and 12 so those obviously look the best ; )
Jack, #12 is a great QB number! Around these parts #16 is probably a favorite, #11 — well, hard call on that one, lol.
#52 and #56 are my favorite LB numbers.
I always see #33 when I think of RBs.
#12 is classic QB bar none.
I can’t stand when WRs have low numbers…seems pretentious to me.
Sorry…just wanted to chime in.
I’m a big fan of the #32 (Jim Brown) as well. Also like #40, (my favorite RB Gale Sayers) our own Ken Willard wear the number proudly.
Right now I’m a big #3 fan: California Chrome, let’s go!
Go get that Triple Crown baby!
I like it, though. People make a lot of predictions. During the season it’s fun keeping score of who got what right.
Yes it is.
So, will the Cowboys be winning the Super Bowl again this year? :)
Ha! Probably not.
Like this one:
Carlos Hyde will definitely be better than OJ Simpson………………………from his 49ers days.
How do you put a picture up of yourself next to your post?
Just because he went to a Big 10 school doesn’t mean he’s THOSE PEOPLE. What a ridiculous thing for a BEAT WRITER to say. Is the Press Democrat hiring?
Seems like something’s missing…
Did I lose time like Edward Norton in Primal Fear?
Carlos Hyde will be the next Steven Jackson. Or better. Both 6″ft 230 lbs but Hyde is faster. I just hope he doesn’t waste his time on the bench this year because of an aging out of his prime Gore taking all the carries.
Grant, I’m new here and the the first blog I read was your evaluation of the draft in which one reason you thought Hyde was a poor choice was because Ohio State and the Big Ten has a poor record of producing successful running backs. I thought, he’s kidding, right?
Then you repeat it here, so you must actually believe it.
WOW!!! I don’t know what to say, but I’ll try.
The SEC requires mutual funds to tell investors that a fund’s past performance does not guarantee future results. That logic applies to football drafts – the performance of past players at a school or conference do not guarantee the results for current players.
For your logic to work, there must be a direct cause and effect whereby past players records directly effect how well current players will do. Could you explain exactly how this cause and effect works? Is there something in the water of Big Ten states that causes this?
Have you considered it is just a statistical anomaly? That you could find other positions in other conferences with the same pattern?
Statistical experts say if you flip a coin 10 times and it always comes up heads, the chances of heads on the 11th toss is still 50%. That’s because each toss is an independent event, not influenced by previous tosses. In the same way each current player is an independent event, not influenced by past players.
Your theory lacks logic and common sense. If you wonder why you don’t have more credibility on your blog, it’s because of such obviously wrong positions.
I’m just trying to help you Grant, a little constructive criticism. There is still time for you admit to your readers that this is one you got wrong. It takes a big man to do that.
Are you that big man?
Let me be the first to welcome you JSANiner to the Insiders Club. Presiding President of Statistics is Jack Hammer. Vice President Statistical Analysis Claude Balls. The rest of us are just fans except for the bloke from down under. Scooter is our Director of Scouting. Look forward to more eloquent posts……
Grant, I think you owe me the courtesy of a reply to this post. If i didn’t know better I’d think you are the type of person who runs when confronted with uncomfortable truths.
I’d like to see you prove me wrong.
Carlos Hyde rushes 7 times for 27 yards and 0 TDs, catches 1 pass for 2 yards against UCF in 2012:
Aunt Grantie, did you Fale to report the fact he injured his knee in the 2nd quarter by design or are you just ignorant?
*Full Disclosure* Mr. Hyde was carted off from the sideline with said ice pack in tow………
Hyde rushes 22 times for 55 yards and 1 TD against Penn State in 2012.
Why are we going back to the 2012 tape when it is commonly accepted Hyde was playing at too high a weight that season? I believe he was around 245 – 250lbs. He lacked the speed and explosiveness of a feature back in 2012.
Then in 2013, Hyde rushed 16 times for 147 yards and 2 TD’s. Grant, you really crack me up sometimes when you won’t let things go. It’s gone beyond redundant and is reminicant of what internet trolls do on blogs. You really need to give your readership a break on this one.
That’s because Penn State didn’t have the mighty Michael Mauti in 2013. Mauti, a 7th-round pick in 2013, had a game-high 13 tackles against Ohio State in 2012.
Hyde averaged 6.53 yards per carry against Big-Ten opponents (401 attempts for 2619 yards and 32 TDs) and 4.75 yards per carry against non-Big-Ten opponents (122 attempts for 579 yards and 5 TDs) during four seasons at Ohio State.
The non-Big-Ten opponents he faced were Marshall, Eastern Michigan, Akron, Toledo, Miami (FL), Colorado, Florida, Miami (OH), Central Florida, Florida A&M and Clemson.
Yea, Urban rode the back of Mr. Hyde against Northwestern, who spared his team the agony of defeat trailing 10 points on the road, to a thrilling victory……..
I’m not sure I follow your point on this one.
Anyway, how many of those non Big-10 teams did he face in 2013? Two, and one was his first game back from suspension (Florida A&M) where he only saw 5 carries.
Hyde is a guy that the 49ers staff will have to monitor to make sure he doesn’t let his weight become an issue.
Scooter, I don’t feel as though that will even be an issue with Mr. Hyde. He’ll swoon over Tom and Frank, willing to run through a brick wall for them……
Hyde’s yards-per-carry average against Clemson was about the same as his yards-per-carry average against the other non-Big-Ten schools he faced.
Are you suggesting a stat line of 25/113/4.5/1 isn’t good? Against the #8 ranked team in college football with a D that averaged 3.73 yards allowed per carry through the season?
It’s decent. Todd Gurley put up a 12/154/12.8/2 line against Clemson last season.
Gurley is three years younger than Hyde.
Yeah, Gurley’s just a wee bit special. Most consider him the best college RB in the country heading into 2014. Heck, many considered him the best RB in college heading into 2013.
I would be one of the most…..
So you’re saying Hyde isn’t special.
Correct Grant, I don’t think he is special. I think he’ll be a solid player that will fit this offense well. In my draft grades I said I see him being a similar player (and doing a similar role) to Brandon Jacobs at the Giants, and potentially a bit more.
I said earlier I see a little bit of Bettis in him, and I do, but I don’t think he’ll be as good as Bettis (he may be, but I doubt it). Bettis was special, like Gurley.
Why take a running back who isn’t special in Round 2? Running backs who aren’t special are a dime a dozen. There were players available in Round 2 who have the potential to be special in the NFL.
I think Hyde has the potential to be special in this offense, behind this offensive line and Kaepernick running that read option.
A little late to the party aren’t you Jack?
“Why take a running back who isn’t special in Round 2?”
Because we’re the San Francisco 49ers, and we can do whatever we want!
Sorry, the lead in was too good to pass up such a great quote by Harbaugh. :-)
Lol good one. But, seriously…
To answer your question though, the 49ers are a running-based team, and the opportunity to get a good, solid RB that fits the system well shouldn’t be overlooked.
I may not think he’s a special talent, but he’s a guy that I think can be a consistent and good producer for this team, and could play the big back role as part of an excellent backfield in the future.
Fair enough. I feel it’s not hard to find a solid RB that fits the system, and it’s not wise to take one in Round 2 over other players who have the potential to be special. But we’ll see.
The party don’t start until I walk in…
I think he has a better than 50% shot at being the number one tailback for this team in 2015…..
Buffalo must have just wanted a solid running back as well. Is this a new trend starting in the NFL that I’m not aware of?
Comparing the moves of your organization to those of the Bills isn’t saying much….
“I feel it’s not hard to find a solid RB that fits the system”.
You and over half the NFL atm. But because of that belief a guy like Hyde, who 5 years ago would have been a borderline first rounder, fell to the bottom of the 2nd round. Just like Lacy last year.
As more and more teams put a premium on pass catchers and defensive players dedicated to stopping the pass, the better value a team gets at RB. For a team that is run first that’s gold.
Btw, I disagree that it is “easy” to find a good, solid RB later on. Yes, they occur, but there are far more misses than hits later on. Hyde in the 2nd round is good value, so for a team in need of a big back that likes to run the ball why wouldn’t they take him?
Because every Big Ten running back drafted in the first two rounds the past 10 years has not lived up to the draft position. Lacy did it in the SEC. Hyde had one elite season and it came against the Big Ten when he was a red-shirt senior.
The Buffalo Bills are a professional franchise in the National Football League. Their evaluations are better than anyone on this blog…….
“Because every Big Ten running back drafted in the first two rounds the past 10 years has not lived up to the draft position.”
How many of them have had the same level of production as Hyde last year?
Laurence Maroney: 281/ 1,464/ 5.2/ 10
Mike Alstott: 243/ 1,436/ 5.9/ 11
Robert Holcombe: 294/ 1,253/ 4.3/ 4
Tyrone Wheatley: 210/ 1,144/ 5.4/ 12
Anthony Thomas: 287/ 1,551/ 5.4/ 16
Eddie George: 328/ 1,927/ 5.9/ 24
Ron Dayne: 337/ 2,034/ 6.0/ 20
Carlos Hyde: 208/ 1,521/ 7.3/ 16
Only 3 guys ran for more yards, and all 3 required significantly more carries to do so. Only 2 guys had more TDs and 1 the same number. Again, all three required significantly more carries.
Fact is, there aren’t many RBs in college history that averaged 7.3 yards per carry their final season.
How many of those players played in the Big Ten as red-shirt seniors? Mikel Leshoure averaged 6.8 yards per carry in the Big Ten as a true sophomore at Illinois. Who knows what he would have averaged as a red-shirt senior at Ohio State with Braxton Miller.
Leshoure stinks in the NFL.
Whoops, and now the list since 2000:
Larry Johnson: 271/ 2,087/ 7.7/ 20
Chris “Beanie” Wells: 207/ 1,197/ 5.8/ 8
Chris Perry: 338/ 1,674/ 5.0/ 18
Rashard Mendenhall: 262/ 1,681/ 6.4/ 17
Shonn Greene: 307/ 1,850/ 6.0/ 20
Montee Ball: 356/ 1,830/ 5.1/ 22
Only one guy averaged above 7 yards per carry, and he turned out to be very good.
Leshoure averaged 6.8 ypc in part time duty as a sophomore. He averaged 6 ypc in 2010 as a full time starter. Hyde averaged 7.3 ypc as a full time starter. Big difference.
Also, as Jack points out, he’s dealt with injuries in the NFL. Tore his achilles in 2011 which wiped his rookie year. He was the starting RB in 2012 with limited success. Still, he averaged 3.7 ypc despite having a season long of just 16 yards.
You keep avoiding the red-shirt-senior issue.
How exactly is that an issue?
Are you saying he was so much better as a full time starter than most of the other Big 10 RBs to come out because he was a year older and more developed? Are you saying a guy like Leshoure was just one season away from averaging 7.3 ypc in college? Seems unlikely.
Btw, you keep referring to him as a “redshirt” senior… I can’t seem to find any confirmation of this. He’s just listed as a senior.
Yes, LeShoure probably could have averaged 7.3 yards per carry as a senior at Ohio State with Braxton Miller in the backfield. Shonn Greene probably could have, too.
Lofty praise for Leshoure and Greene. I think you give too little credit to Hyde being able to average 7.3 ypc. Even with a good running QB it is not an easy feat.
Tevin Coleman did it. Lache Seastrunk did it. LaMichael James did it. Ki-Jana Carter did it.
He says he’s Dr. Jekyll off the field, but is Mr. Hyde on it……
So you are comparing Hyde to two scat backs that played in wide open offenses, a sophomore that shared the load and who’s stats were greatly inflated by a some big runs, and a guy who’s NFL career was devastated by injury.
No, I’m comparing Hyde to Shonn Greene. A lot of running backs could put up 7.3 yards per carry as a senior on a Big Ten powerhouse with a dual threat like Braxton Miller in the backfield running the zone read. That is not a special accomplishment.
I disagree. I’d sing a different tune if Hyde’s numbers were inflated by a few really long runs. But that isn’t the case – he was a consistent yards gainer that got 5 yards or more on 57% of his carries. And he averaged 3.1 yards after contact, a full yard above the average.
I’d imagine there have been plenty of running backs who have put up similar yards-after-contact numbers in the Big Ten the past 20 years.
If Hyde averaged 3.1 yards after contact, that means he averaged 4.2 yards before contact. Any running back would thrive under those conditions. That’s what you get when you play running back at Ohio State with Braxton Miller and Urban Meyer.
Right, so his 3.1 yards after contact are meaningless because he played in the Big 10 where the run D’s are so terrible (2 in top 5 in the nation, but hey, what does that matter?).
Yes, he averaged 4.2 ypc before contact. Of course that helped his overall average. But that has nothing to do with how he averaged a full yard more than the average after contact.
Big Ten teams primarily play other Big Ten teams, so those rankings need to be taken with a big grain of salt.
Mr. Hyde can bore you when you watch his film, with the consistent 5 yard gashes…..
Not hard to gain five yards when you aren’t touched for the first 4.2.
Does that mean you also think Big 10 defenders are way overrated?
No. J.J. Watt and NaVorro Bowman come to mind. But typically there isn’t a lot of NFL talent on Big Ten defenses.
Grant says, “Not hard to gain five yards when you aren’t touched for the first 4.2”. Whereupon Mr. Hyde insists on dragging the touching offender 3 more yards…….
“But there typically isn’t a lot of NFL talent on Big Ten defenses.”
Isn’t the Big 10 the second highest provider of NFL players, behind only the SEC? And aren’t the majority of those players on defense?
There were five defensive players from the Big Ten drafted in the first two rounds this year.
Two went to Ohio State — Ryan Shazier and Bradley Roby.
Two more played cornerback — Darqueze Dennard and Stanley Jean Baptiste.
The one Big-Ten box defender who got drafted in the first two rounds and didn’t go to Ohio State was Ra’Shede Hageman. Minnesota ranked 90th in run defense last season.
In 2013, same thing — just one Big-Ten box defender who didn’t go to Ohio State got picked in the first two rounds — Kawann Short. Purdue ranked 93rd in run defense.
The Big 10 had the 4th most this drafted this season.
Who Matthews handled in the most recent camp report….
Carlos Hyde vs AP ranked teams: 61/371/6.1/3 (rushes/ yards/ average/ TDs)
Jeremy Hill vs AP ranked teams: 67/325/4.9/2
Hill went two picks before Hyde.
Those AP ranked teams were in the Big Ten. Hill primarily faced the SEC. Hyde never faced the SEC, but he struggled against Toledo.
Yes, Hyde faced two of the top 5 rushing defenses in 2013. Hill faced one in the top 10.
When did he play against Toledo? 2011? Relevance?
Ha! Too funny!
Leshoure has averaged 3.7 yards per carry in an offense not built to run the ball. Hasn’t he been dealing with injuries quite a bit?
Reggie Bush averaged 4.5 yards per carry in that offense.
True, he’s a better fit. More of a wide open style back.
“Stinks” was probably over the top.
Grant – Look into your crystal ball. Who gets more carries this year, Hyde or Latt? I think Latt becomes the primary back next year/2015 and gets 60%. Hyde gets 30% in 2015.
Lattimore will get more carries if he’s 100 percent healthy, but I doubt he is 100 percent healthy. I’ll get a better impression when I see him practice for the first time.
Sounds good, thanks Grant.
When I read this stuff from Grant, I feel like I’m watching one of those comedies where a brat dressed in a cowboy outfit is going to each adult in a room shooting them with his pop-gun just to annoy them.
Where is Uncle Buck when you need him, lol.
Lions fans were so excited about this guy. Read the comments. Best RB in the draft!
Unless Hyde tears his Achilles in training camp the Leshoure comparison is bunk.
If you say so. Shonn Greene is a good comparison.
Greene was very good in 2009 (5 ypc) especially the postseason (5.6 ypc).
On 108 attempts his rookie season. As soon as his attempts went up, his average plummeted. Now, he stinks no matter how many carries he gets.
If Hyde can match the production of Greene’s rookie season 49ers fans would be ecstatic.
Yeah, but if Hyde’s career mirrored Greene’s, Hyde would be a massive disappointment.
I’m not too worried about his entire career. The way I see it the 49ers window has 2-3 years for a SB.
Greene stunk after Year 1.
He averaged over 4 yards a carry in 2010 and was a big part of the Jets reaching back to back championship games.
But again, I don’t care about the long haul. If the 49ers don’t win a ring in the next 2-3 years they won’t at all.
I agree about the Niners, but I didn’t realize you had such a high opinion of Shonn Greene and Blaine Gabbert.
Nice straw man there Grant. My argument had more to do with disputing the “gun shy” QB theory than supporting Gabbert.
As for Greene, I can’t help the fact that you picked a guy that had good numbers early in his career to compare Hyde to.
First it was Roby to Culliver and now Hyde to Greene.
So your argument is Gabbert isn’t gun shy, he’s just bad? Or he was in a bad situation and isn’t bad? If you think Harbaugh can turn his career around, you like the trade. And you said you didn’t like it.
When it comes to Hyde, you’re saying a Shonn-Greene-like career is an acceptable outcome for the 49ers?
How can you not care about the long haul Jack? If Hyde has only one or two decent/ good seasons then does nothing for the rest of his career then he’ll be a disappointment.
And if the 49ers only have 2-3 years left to win a SB then Baalke hasn’t done his job replenishing talent.
Having a mindset that the next 2-3 years are all that matter will inevitably lead to a downfall in 2-3 years. I for one believe this team should be setting itself up to be competing for the SB each year.
As long as Kaepernick continues to develop, like the Patriots, this team should be in the thick of the playoffs every year……
My argument is that the “mental toughness” angle isn’t valid. I didn’t like the Gabbert move, I think they should have drafted someone instead.
If Hyde can come in this season and have the type of season Greene had his first year the 49ers will be Super Bowl champions, and any downfall after that will be moot.
Scooter, this isn’t a new position for me. I have been saying all offseason that the 49ers window of opportunity for a championship will start closing the moment they sign Kaepernick to a big contract.
It’s possible that we are already seeing some of that with the way they approached free agency and the draft.
49ers plus rookie Shonn Greene equals Super Bowl. If you say so. Pro Football Focus gave Greene a -5.1 grade his rookie season.
Check out what Jeff Garcia said about Gabbert in the interview I recently did with Garcia:
“Normally when quarterbacks get broken down, like Blaine Gabbert has in Jacksonville, it’s very rare that they’re ever able to turn it around and find success. That’s the hardest thing for some quarterbacks, when they go to a place and it’s thrust upon them to lead right from the get-go, and they’re not quite ready mentally or physically to adjust to the speed of the game and they don’t have the team around them, it creates a bad mental situation and it’s very difficult to bounce back from that.”
Like Jeff, but everyone can be wrong once in a while. Maybe part of the problem is Gabbert was not very good to start with.
I know its not a new position for you Jack, just felt like throwing my position back in the mix. :-)
I disagree about the moves this offseason showing they see a limited window though. If that was the case they’d have gone harder at guys like Revis, Thurmond, DJax, etc. And in the draft they’d have had no compunction giving up whatever it took to get the guys they wanted rather than sit back and let the draft come to them.
As for Hyde needing to replicate Greene’s rookie season, being able to move the ball on the ground is a big key to defeating Seattle. As you’ve pointed out a number of times, Gore struggles mightily up there. If Greene can give them that threat they stand a much greater chance of winning.
Hyde averaged 4.5 yards per carry against non-Big-Ten opponents. It will be interesting to see how he does against the Seahawks.
Kaepernick’s impending deal is forcing them to save money, hence no Revis, no DJax, no Thurmond.
Instead of making the big move up they sit tight and grab multiple guys because they won’t be bringing some established players back. Those salaries instead go to Kaepernick.
They can afford Stevie Johnson but not Thurmond?
Is that a trick question? I would much rather have Stevie Johnson then Thurmond, and it’s not even close bra…….
No different than any franchise quarterback…..
Of course, but unlike you and some others I have serious doubts about Kaepernick as a “franchise QB.”
This year should provide us with the answers we seek…..
Frank Gore averaged 0.3 yards before contact in Seattle last season.
Last seaon, Carlos Hyde broke tackles less frequently than Jeremy Hill, Lache Seastrunk and Storm Johnson.
I’m not saying Hyde definitely will bust. No one can predict anything like that with certainty. I just think there’s a low chance Hyde will live up to his draft position for a lot of reasons. If he does, God love him and the 49ers. I’ll happily eat my words. I’m not rooting against him so I’ll be proved right. I’ve been proven wrong too many times for that kind of thing to matter.
Hyde may not have broken as many tackles, but he churned out extra yards after contact. If he does that in the NFL he’ll likely have a successful career.
As a big back, aside from short yardage situations his job will be to consistently provide between 2 and 5 yards a carry, averaging around 3.5-4 ypc on runs less than 20 yards, + the occasional bigger run. If he does that I’ll be happy.
If instead he ends up being a hit and miss runner that can’t consistently pick up 2-5 yards then he won’t be doing his job.
Obviously if Hyde averages more than 3 yards after contact in the NFL he’ll have a successful career. But doing it in the Big Ten is not an indicator that he’ll come anywhere near that average in the NFL. The Big Ten did not have an abundance of top NFL defensive talent in the box last season.
I doubt he’ll average 3.1 yards after contact in the NFL too – my bad, I simply meant to say so long as he translates his ability to churn out an above average amount of yards after contact in the NFL.
Maybe he will, maybe he won’t, but I think he’s a better prospect than you believe he is. The biggest question mark I have is how long a career can he have as a power back? Not many power backs stay at their peak beyond 4 or 5 years due to the beating they take. Its one of the reasons Jerome Bettis was so special.
Hyde can run through Big Ten defenders, especially when he’s already 4 yards past the line of scrimmage. Can he run through NFL defenders at the line of scrimmage? Can he make NFL defenders miss at an above average rate? I doubt it, but we’ll see.
Good point about longevity. It only took a few seasons for the Chiefs to run Larry Johnson into the ground, and Larry Johnson was much better than Hyde IMO.
I don’t really see it as being about making NFL defenders miss so much as it is about him being able to get that extra 1 – 2 yards after contact, pushing the pile, falling forward. That’s what good big backs do, and that’s what I’m hoping to see from him.
Larry Johnson was an excellent RB… then a decent RB… than an injury prone RB by the time he was 28. By the time he was 30 he was a liability. Longevity for power backs is hard to come by.
Yes I think he can. He’s 230 LB’s and runs balanced as well as strong. He’s got excellent short area quickness and is hard to bring down.
Btw, in an earlier comment you said Hyde’s numbers are what you get when you put a RB with Braxton Miller and Urban Meyer. Worth noting that Hyde is in fact the first RB to ever run for 1,000 yards in a season under Meyer.
I should have written what I meant. Playing in a zone read offense at Ohio State with Braxton Miller is the main reason Hyde averaged 4.2 yards before contact as a senior.
“Playing in a zone read offense at Ohio State with Braxton Miller is the main reason Hyde averaged 4.2 yards before contact as a senior.”
Should we take that as you not thinking playing in a zone read offense in SF with Colin Kaepernick will provide Hyde a similar advantage?
Yes, if the 49ers play the Big Ten.
I know it was a bit convoluted, but you don’t think Hyde will have a similar advantage with Kaepernick in the zone read?
The 49ers’ read-option run game didn’t seem effective last season. Defenses were all over it and often hit the RB in the backfield. As opposed to 2012 when the 49ers’ RBs routinely got far past the line of scrimmage before contact on read-option runs.
Your damn right it will. You don’t think it’s a coincidence Mr. Hyde is well versed in this offense?
Yeah, NFL defenses are better than Big 10 defenses. Then again, Kaepernick and the 49ers’ o-line are better than Miller and the Ohio State offensive line. I think there is as much basis for confidence as there is for doubt.
“The 49ers’ read-option run game didn’t seem effective last season. Defenses were all over it and often hit the RB in the backfield.”
Don’t you think some of that could have been due to Gore? He doesn’t seem to have the ability to run the inside read. With Gore in the backfield from the gun you knew he was going inside. With Hunter or James back there you knew they were going outside. Hyde shows the ability to do both effectively on film.
…against the Big Ten. We’ll see if that translates to the NFL. It hasn’t in a long time.
Defenses knew the same things about Gore and Hunter and James in 2012, and yet the 49ers’ read-option run game was much more effective in 2012 than 2013. Some of that is on the running backs, some of that is on the offensive line, some of that is on opposing defenses familiarizing themselves with the 49ers’ read-option run game, some of that is on Kaepernick not keeping it on the read-option more than about once per game in the regular season, etc.
It’s obvious Gore is not comfortable in that style offense, whereas Mr. Hyde is one of the few power backs that has thrived in it…..
Gore is not comfortable in the read option offense because he never got to run in it against Big 10 defenses. That’s the only possible explanation.
“some of that is on Kaepernick not keeping it on the read-option more than about once per game in the regular season”
Or Kaepernick keeping when he should give.
There were a number of drives killed on third an short when Kaepernick was dropped for losses on keeps.
I agree that some of it has to do with the defenses being better prepared. To counter that the 49ers need to be better prepared to go inside and outside with their backs. Enter Lattimore and Hyde. Guys well versed in the read system that have the ability to do that, while Gore is limited by his speed.
The beauty of the read, is that once the defense shows you how they are playing it the adjustments should come easy. Not having the proper personnel hampers the ability to adjust.
Sounds good in theory. We’ll see if Lattimore and/or Hyde can deliver.
Plus, Hunter was hampered by the achilles early on, and James, well…
Interesting…. I figured we ditched the whole read-option offense of 2012, but you guys make some points that we could be seeing a come-back this year…though it would likely play a minimal roll in our offense IMO.
“Sounds good in theory. We’ll see if Lattimore and/or Hyde can deliver.”
Very true. We can draw plays up or discuss it all day long and show why they will or won’t work. The reality will be in full view soon enough.
If the 49ers are going to go to more read-option then the value of James on the team increases a bit too. He may be a better option than Hunter as the quick back in a heavy read-option offense.
Not if he can’t run effectively between the tackles, and so far he hasn’t shown that.
For what it’s worth, Le’Veon Bell ran a 4.56 at the Combine and averaged just 2.69 yards per carry outside the tackles last season. No guarantee Hyde will be able to get the edge against NFL defenses.
I’m skeptical that James is on this team when the rubber hits the road, let alone ever seeing the backfield again…..
Mr. Hyde has displayed the jets required to get to the edge, something Frank cannot do. I’m looking forward to the bigger receiving threat he will bring to the backfield as well…..
It’s not worth much. Bell is a different type of back, more in the Tyler Gaffney mold. At MSU they lined him up in the backfield and he primarily ran between the tackles, with the odd toss sweep thrown in.
You like to point out Hyde’s numbers against Clemson, but he didn’t have much trouble turning the corner on them.
Hasn’t shown he can run between the tackles? The guy only had 12 carries the entire season and one called up the middle. He averaged 4.9 yards a carry last season. He should have been given more of a chance and wasn’t which is why he’s frustrated.
I’m obviously alone in my opinion on LMJ, but he’s being grossly underused and his ability as a returner is being underrated. If he actually was given a chance to play then maybe we could make some educated assessments on what he can or can’t do, but that hasn’t happened.
I’d release Hunter before I’d release LMJ. Hunter is pretty much the same type of RB as the guys in front of him and offers no return ability.
Against Clemson they gave him the ball on runs designed to go outside 6 times and he gained 5, 9, 8, 2, 3, and 9 yards. Not too bad.
No, not too bad. I’d be impressed if he had beaten Vic Beasley around the edge once or twice.
He’s able to get to the outside because he has surprisingly good burst despite not having very good long speed.
“The guy only had 12 carries the entire season and one called up the middle”
That’s not true. He had 13 carries last season, 5 of them between the tackles. Those 5 runs netted a total of 7 yards, while his 8 runs outside the tackles netted 52.
Looking at the splits on ESPN there was 1 called run up the middle, 1 to the right side, 5 to the left side, 4 to the left sideline and 1 to the right sideline.
5 carries is also not evidence of not being able to do anything. Judging a player off of so few attempts is ridiculous. He’s the most explosive RB on the roster yet they don’t give him any carries. Not sure what the guy has to do to get a shot.
Jack, you don’t think a combo backfield of (one of) Gore/ Hyde/ Lattimore + James out of the read-option would provide some good matchups? James could be used similar to how Ohio State used Dontre Wilson, and I think he’d be better in that role than Hunter with his better quickness and speed.
James has carried the ball 51 times in his career and 37 of those have been outside the tackles. That’s 72%. The coaching staff is clearly telling everyone what they think.
I see where you are going with that, and we saw the 49ers do a little bit of it last season with James. If they keep him for his return ability they could build on the fly sweep game a bit, but I think the key would then be for James to get a role in the receiving game as well, or else it becomes telegraphed.
Overall, a guy like Hyde who can take it inside or outside is a much better fit for the offense.
I would go as far to say, tailor made….
James had 24 yards on 3 called runs up the middle last year Jack. Just because the team doesn’t give him the opportunity to do it very often doesn’t mean he can’t do it. They didn’t give Ginn much of a chance either and look what happened when he left.
I’m telling you guys, you are selling this kid short, and if they cut him it’ll be a huge mistake. Gore needs to be used less frequently this season and packages put in for the others.
True Jack – to be honest they would probably be better off just getting Ellington to play that role anyway.
If Lattimore is recovered enough to be a factor this year, and assuming Hyde is indeed good enough to earn some carries, then Hunter may well be superfluous. He does provide some KR ability, but to be honest they would be better off going with a guy like James that can provide more STs value. Hunter may find himself traded before the start of the season.
Like this one, where Beasley isn’t a factor?
I was thinking of one where Beasley is a factor and doesn’t get blocked out of the play. Oh well. It’s too bad Hyde didn’t get to face more first and second-round draft prospects on defense last season.
Gotta love the way Hyde finishes that run.
“James had 24 yards on 3 called runs up the middle last year Jack.”
A minute ago you’re telling everyone he had 1, now you’re saying he had 3. Get it together Rocket.
Based on the numbers provided by ProFootballFocus, James carried the ball between the tackles 5 times, twice in week 4 vs St Louis for 1 yard and 0 yards, one time against Carolina in week 10 for -1 yard, and twice against New Orleans for 0 yards, and 7 yards. That adds up to 5 carries for 7 yards.
I’d say a defensive lineman has a better chance of being traded, before Hunter.
“I was thinking of one where Beasley is a factor and doesn’t get blocked out of the play.”
You mean like this one, where Beasley blows it up in the backfield yet Hyde still picks up 8 yards?
Beasley forced Hyde back inside and he broke No.99’s tackle at the line of scrimmage.
Razor, if Lattimore and Hyde surpass Hunter on the depth chart (no guarantee that will happen of course, especially of Lattimore’s knee isn’t right) I think it is a reasonable chance they look to trade him. That 4th RB spot needs to provide some STs value. Hunter’s only value on STs is as a KR, and there are other guys on the roster can do that role.
“Beasley forced him back inside and Hyde broke No.99′s tackle at the line of scrimmage.”
Wait, I thought Hyde was only breaking tackles 4.2 yards down field.
Anyway, I’m sure you’ll enjoy this run too.
Nice run. Breeland whiffed. Hyde didn’t beat anyone to the outside.
I didn’t say Hyde only was breaking tackles 4.2 yards down field. Obviously that is not how an average works. Good to know Hyde can break Bashaud Breeland’s tackle.
Correction: Robert Smith whiffed.
A minute ago you’re telling everyone he had 1, now you’re saying he had 3. Get it together Rocket.
The 3 carries was 2012 Jack. Try to keep up. I also am using regular season stats. He had one carry in the playoffs this year, but was a big part of the running game in the 2012 playoff run which makes it even more baffling as to why they ignored him in the running game this year.
The splits I gave you came from ESPN and take into account middle, left side and right side as opposed to a between the tackles designation.
No matter how anyone wants to spin it, you cannot make the conclusion you did based on that amount of carries, especially when he showed an ability to do it in about the same amount or more carries the year before.
Scooter, I’m not expecting anything from Lattimore. If he can do it, then I can see your scenario playing out…..
“The 3 carries was 2012 Jack. Try to keep up.”
You’ll have to excuse my ignorance. When you typed “James had 24 yards on 3 called runs up the middle last year Jack” I thought you were referring to 2013 since that was in fact last year.
In 2012 James had 11 carries between the tackles out of 38 total.
“I didn’t say Hyde only was breaking tackles 4.2 yards down field.”
I guess I must have misinterpreted last night when responded to Razor with, “Not hard to gain five yards when you aren’t touched for the first 4.2.”
Yup. That sentence doesn’t mean I think he got hit exactly 4.2 yards down field every carry.
My apologies Jack. I will try to be more clear on which season I am referring too in the future.
What was James ypc on the 11 runs between the tackles?
“Breeland whiffed. Hyde didn’t beat anyone to the outside”
No he didn’t. Breeland was on the other side of the play and doesn’t come into the screen until Hyde is down.
Whoops. That’s No.27, not 17. No.27 of course is Robert Smith, the future undrafted free agent strong safety.
Mr. Hyde has phenomenal feet……
“What was James ypc on the 11 runs between the tackles?”
He did pretty well in 2012. Against Miami he had runs of 6 and 13 yards. Against Arizona he had runs of 12 and 10 yards. Against Green Bay he had runs of 1 yard and 14 yards, and against Baltimore he had runs of 2 and 11 yards. All told he averaged 7.55.
Hyde’s performance in the Orange Bowl reminds me a little of Gore in the game against Seattle down here last year, pound inside, pound inside, pound inside, bust it up the middle on 4th and short for a big gain.
Yeah, except Gore made the best free safety in the NFL miss and Hyde made someone named Robert Smith miss.
Thanks for the info Jack. So based on that, your belief that he hasn’t shown he can run between the tackles doesn’t hold up wouldn’t you agree? If anything what he is capable of is still unknown due to the fact the Coaching staff hasn’t given him many opportunities.
I think that when you give it to the guy 72% of the time to go outside it shows that the coaching staff doesn’t believe he can.
Perhaps this is something that should be asked of the coaches by someone with access to the coaching staff.
Rocket may be the only person in the world who believes LMJ can be an effective inside runner in the NFL.
“Yeah, except Gore made the best free safety in the NFL miss and Hyde made someone named Robert Smith miss.”
Yeah yeah. But wait, Bob Smith doesn’t play defense in the Big 10, he plays in the ACC. He must be better than those schmucks.
Not necessarily. Nebraska’s SS Corey Cooper might be a Day 3 pick next year.
The $40 million dollar man whiffs……
That must be why Hyde did so well in the Big 10 last year. He didn’t have to play Nebraska and face Corey Cooper.
He was effective on most of the opportunities he had in 2012 as Jack’s numbers clearly show.
I’m certainly not saying he’s the next Frank Gore and will make his living pounding the ball up the middle. What he can do however is make plays inside or out if given more than a carry or two every 3 or 4 games. He’s also unique to this roster with his skill set which is why I don’t see them cutting him.
Grant, you’re churning out a lot of stats to prove that Hyde is a bust.
When you do want to prove that someone is good in your eyes, you pull out stats about their supporting cast.
Can you do the same for Hyde?
Is the OL making holes for him? Who was blocking for him? Did he carry more than anyone else?
Make your case but make it complete.
Twitter@grantcohn, “Carlos Hyde remind me of Jim Brown, except Hyde has quicker feet and better hands”. Pretty high praise coming from the same guy who’s devoted at least two days worth of effort in an attempt to diminish his accomplishments, talent and NFL potential…….
It was sarcasm. He put the same thing on here in the comments.
Lendale White ballin! https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AfvopCJtGnE
Gotta love the way he finishes those runs. And he can catch!
Bright future ahead of that young man.
It’s LenDale. Come on bro! Dude took it to the crib 15 times in 2008. Why you be trippin?!?
L Dub baby!
You know! Why you hatin on the L Train dawg?
Haha he WAS the L Train. And Anthony Thomas was the A Train. Will Carlos Hyde be the C Train?
H Train, H for Hamburger……
The G train for Guapo.
Lendale White, the kid that needed a bra at the combine….Ha!
You mean “LenWhale”. White was actually pretty decent as the big back complement to Chris Johnson. A failed drug test and a torn achilles ended his career.
Watching all this Carlos Hyde film made me realize that Braxton Miller is the NCAA version of Colin Kaepernick.
Vai Taua averaged 7.8 yards per carry at Nevada in 2009 thanks to Colin Kaepernick and the read-option.
Exactly why you should be excited about Mr. Hyde working alongside Kaepernick…..
So what you’re really saying is Braxton Miller is the next Colin Kaepernick.
No, you said that. Kaepernick is the professional version of the read option, and Mr. Hyde knows how to read…..
I was responding to Grant. Not you.
Excuuuuuuuuuse Me! Maybe you two should get a room…….
Did someone get his feewings hurt? Poor wittle fella.
They’re both special runners for their position.
Miller is a special athlete, but his throws deep sail on him, especially when he goes left. Colin Kaepernick was raw, but he was also a good bit ahead of him as a thrower at this point in time.
It’s odd how similar their college numbers are right now as throwers. Both have an average yards/attempt of 7.9, adjusted yards/attempt of 8.4 and their completion percentage is only .9% different, except Millers completion percentage through 3 years is ahead of where Kaepernick’s was.
I think he chose wisely staying in school, something Bortles should have done……
Miller is more than 600 pass attempts behind Kaepernick’s total at Nevada. But yeah, those averages are oddly similar.
Ha! You are cute….
Todd Gurley eviscerates the Clemson defense http://draftbreakdown.com/video/todd-gurley-vs-clemson-2013/
That 75 yard run where absolutely no one touched him and all he had to do was beat Bob Smith, a future undrafted safety, was sweet.
Bob Smith appearance!
Robert Godhigh eviscerates the Clemson defense https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=y1EOKChlsiE
Look out for the H-Train!
So much awesome!!!
Oh wait….but….he’s from the Big 10 :(
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