Colin Kaepernick and Eric Reid have agreed to a settlement in their collusion case against the NFL. The terms of the settlement are confidential.
Both Kaepernick and Reid sued the NFL for colluding to keep them out of the league. Reid currently plays for the Carolina Panthers, but Kaepernick hasn’t played for an NFL team since 2016.
Here’s a joint statement from the NFL and Mark Geragos, the attorney for Kaepernick and Reid: “For the past several months, counsel for Mr. Kaepernick and Mr. Reid have engaged in an ongoing dialogue with representatives of the NFL. As a result of those discussions, the parties have decided to resolve the pending grievances. The resolution of this matter is subject to a confidentiality agreement so there will be no further comment by any party.”
Here also is a statement from the NFL Player’s Association: “Today, we were informed by the NFL of the settlement of the Colin Kaepernick and Eric Reid collusion cases. We are not privy to the details of the settlement, but support the decision by the players and their counsel. We continuously supported Colin and Eric from the start of their protests, participated with their lawyers throughout their legal proceedings and were prepared to participate in the upcoming trial in pursuit of both truth and justice for what we believe the NFL and its clubs did to them. We are glad that Eric has earned a job and a new contract, and we continue to hope that Colin gets his opportunity as well.”
Bleacher Report’s Mike Freeman hears the settlement could pay Kaepernick between $60 million and $80 million.
Number NFL team officials are speculating to me is the NFL paid Kaepernick in the $60 to $80 million range.
— mike freeman (@mikefreemanNFL) February 15, 2019
Here are my thoughts:
1. If Kaepernick felt his case was strong and he would have won the trial, I doubt he would have accepted this settlement.
2. The settlement sounds like a huge payout for the NFL, but it’s not. The league makes roughly $10 billion in profit every year. The league may see this settlement as a “small” price to pay to make Colin Kaepernick go away, and to get the eyes of the fans back on football and not litigation. Because if the case went to trial and the NFL won, the details still could have made the league look bad.
3. As a member of the 49ers, Kaepernick earned $43 million in six seasons. Since he has been out of the NFL, he has signed an endorsement deal with Nike which is worth “millions,” and now has agreed to a settlement that could be worth up to $80 million. So, it’s possible he has made double the money not playing football the past two years compared to what he made as a player. Not too shabby.
4. I would be shocked if part of the settlement didn’t involve the NFL paying Kaepernick never to seek employment in the NFL in the future. Otherwise, he could sue them for collusion again.
Do you think Kaepernick will play football again? Is this the last we hear from him? Why or why not?
Justice Prevails!
He’s not playing anymore, Sebs–ever. Just as everyone predicted.
What he’s been given is “shut-up get out of our face” money.
In the mean time, a man sees what he wants to see, hears what he wants to hear–and disregards the rest.
No details yet justice prevails??
60 to 80 mil.
Greed and avarice.
Catfish,
How do you know Kaepernick will not continue to work on his cause with the money he’s just earned? Some people’s hatred and ignorance are baffling.
Yes, Nick
You have found me out and the reasoning you present is that simple-simon. I disagree with you, so I am filled with hate. Sound logic.
Saw, he can read. ;p
In short, he sold out. If this amount is true, at least his price for whoring and abandoning his ‘fight this to the bitter end because of ‘muh principles’ was high. Except, of course, nobody knows how much Kaepernick got and it is, literally, speculation.
But at least we solved one issue — it was for money, not principle.
Wrong. the NFL sold out.
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Sure, we do not know the details, but I have not seen one word saying that Kaep would still be blackballed.
Every normal person in america ( not millionaire athletes ) wishes they could sue a company that they applied for who did not hire them. For everyday people we take the decision and move on. I have even been fired for being a distraction to other employees. Everyone please fight for me and make a good company hire me! What a joke.smh
Hey Seb… they settled and Reid has a job.
Collusion???
kind of like the Russian collusion huh? Ha ha haaaaaaa! Tables are turning on the real crooks now.
A lot of crooks in the upper FBI gonna get it now.
Cnn got you **cked up Homeboy. ??
Lock him up. Lock him up. Lock him up.
https://youtu.be/LSbS6dX5At8
The walls are closing in…….
Lol the “wall” is going UP. ??
Have a great weekend Seb.
FREEKIN SEB!!!!!!!!!!!!!
thats all……….
Good riddance . Now take your unearned millions and get lost
1. “If Kaepernick felt his case was strong and he would have won the trial, I doubt he would have accepted this settlement.”
Wrong.
Kaepernick’s grievance was never about bringing down the NFL, or making more money than he would have if he were still in the league. The law doesn’t work that way. It is about “making him whole” again. It was about how much money would he likely have made if he were still in the league. And if it’s reasonable to assume that he simply wasn’t good enough to play, or worth the headache to sign, then that amount would be closer to $0, than $80 million, right? In reality, Kaepernick won this case when an arbitrator denied the league’s request to throw out the quarterback’s conspiracy claims, in late August. This in itself would suggest there was at least some evidence of collusion.
And, as renowned Lawyer and sports agent, Leigh Steinberg, put it: “The NFL isn’t in the business of settling!” Make no mistake, the NFL isn’t in the business of settling cases they could have dragged out and eventually won. That’s simply not how they roll. And legal experts have said collusion cases are notoriously difficult to prove, which makes it highly unusual for the league to settle a case like this. It is possible Mr. Kaepernick’s lawyers had gathered enough persuasive evidence and testimony from owners, league officials and football experts that Mr. Kaepernick stood a reasonable chance of persuading the arbitrator hearing the case to rule in his favor. In any case, there is no doubt that the discovery process was going to be embarrassing for the NFL, whether or not there was evidence of collusion, who knows what kind of dirty laundry might have been aired out?
As for who won?
Well, if Kaepernick is as lousy as some people suggest, another $80 Million (and I suspect it was closer to $100 Million), in addition to the 10’s of millions he’s already made as a QB (and who knows how many million he made from NIKE), should be considered an absolute windfall for Kap, and he ought to think about sending a thank you card to a certain person in the oval office.
The league could have settled for $35-$40 Million if Kaepernick’s probable salary for two seasons out of the game was used as a gauge. The going rate for an average starting NFL quarterback is about $20 million a season.The fact they settled for perhaps twice that (or more), probably implies there was some evidence of collusion, IMO.
Kap will never rule via his girlfriend. He is simply her catspaw. And he better continue if he knows whats good for him.
Well said 49reasons. It sure sounds like there was evidence of collusion and, hence, why the NFL settled.
I said years ago if Kaepernick got beat out by Gabby, he should retire and that he would never play football again. It happened, he took my advice with a twist. Nessa formulated a plan to deviate from how bad a quarterback he’d become, and turn it into a civil rights issue that would dominate the news. Creating such division and distraction within the NFL that it was overshadowing the league, not to mention hurting attendance/viewership. Now that they’ve succeeded in their “collusion” settlement, I doubt we’ll hear anymore from the wealthy harpy in trousers and the nincompoop….
Kaep had all the cards, and the NFL knew they were going to lose. The NFL did not want to void the CBA 2 years early, so the players would gain more power.
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Kaep had every incentive to highlight the proof of the collusion. NFL are cutting their losses, and want to bury the truth.
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Wonder if this will bring down Goodell. He may have been leading the blackballing.
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Kaep also wants to play, so this defeat by the NFL probably came with a promise not to blackball him any more.
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It is interesting to note that Chris Carter mentioned that the Patriots may be interested in signing Kaep as the heir apparent to Brady. Guess they want to win more Super Bowls.
Instead of calling it blackballing, why don’t we call it what it is…black-mailing.
Haha! How do you figure, Sebs? He’s never won a SB in the first place! Bellachick and Kap?????
Your a very funny fellow!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
He will never play in the NFL again.
Ever.
Saw, I get to crow, because Kaep prevailed. The NFL settled because they knew they were going to lose. The Arbitrator deemed his suit has merit. The NFL folded like a house of cards, and the haters just got kicked in the teeth.
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Kaep wants to play, so this settlement probably included a promise not to blackball him any more.
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Jax may be a logical landing spot, but the Patriots are an intriguing possibility. Kaep is light years better than Hoyer.
How long before you expect a team to sign him for $20 million, Sebber?
Start of Free Agency.
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Now that he won around 70 mil, he can afford to take less to go to a team like the Pats.
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He maybe would even promise to let Brady sit, until the playoffs.Then he would voluntarily sit, and let Brady win another SB, so he could finally get a ring. It would save the wear and tear on Brady.
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How much less?
How much for a lesser team?
Like Brady, he would take less, so Belichick can pay enough to assemble another SB team.
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I think Trent Brown will also take less to stay. The lure of a ring is enticing.
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Kaep will not want to struggle on a cellar dweller. He had enough of that on the Niners.
So Kaepernick will play for the Patriots at discounted rate of $15 million, and the Great Trent Brown will play for $8 million a year? Gotcha, Sebbers. Hold on a sec, I’m gonna get me a beer….
Puff, puff….. ;p
Pipedream he plays again, lol….Then you say if he was on the Pat’s, no chance, he maybe would let Brady sit all the way to the SB, which wouldn’t happen with him at QB,….then let Brady in to win another SB so he can get a ring,….whaaaaat, hahaha……..you are drunk!!!!!
Belichick might see that as the best way to preserve Brady’s health. There is a lot of wear and tear on a player playing all season.
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I did not surmise that the Patriots might sign him, Chris Carter did.
Someone….what’s the definition of delusion?
Put Seb together with md and we can turn them over to Websters for a joint entry.
You don’t settle out of court if you think you have a strong case.
That is why the NFL folded like a house of cards.
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The NFL saw that the lawsuit would void the CBA, so they are cutting their losses.
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Kaep was fighting to be allowed to play again, so I fully expect him to be on the field this season.
If the NFL was going to lose, why would Kap and Reid BOTH accept a payout instead of taking the NFL to court?
They’d get more money… since the nfl was going to lose, right?
The logic is strong with this one.
There is no guarantee that they would have gotten that amount. Now, Kaep is guaranteed to get around 70 mil. That is also why I think they promised Kaep that they would stop blackballing him, and given him the opportunity to play.
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Reid is happy that he got his contract, and it was probably set up in conjunction with the settlement. Reid went from getting 1.7 mil to 22 mil.
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70 mil is triple what Kaep could have earned, and the NFL stood to lose possibly billions if the CBA is voided. However, a trial would possibly cost millions in lawyer fees, and even if he wins, they could appeal.
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That is why they settle. Both sides get something. Kaep gets the opportunity to play, and the NFL buys silence. 70 mil is not chump change, except to the NFL.
I don’t think you understand what “settlement” means.
It means they accepted a lower payout than they would have sued for.
Logic…
Considering the cost of a trial, the settlement guarantees Kaep gets millions. With the whole NFL fighting the lawsuit, it might drag on for years. Lawyer fees could entail tens of millions of dollars. If Kaep lost, he might have to pay the NFL lawyer fees.
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Also, Kaep would not settle for anything less than a ‘Lucrative Sum’, but there was no guarantee that the payment would be more than 80 mil.
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The NFL greatly benefits, because they do not have to let them air their dirty laundry.
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Finally, even with this drama with the presidency, there are many saying that collusion would be hard to prove. This way, the lawsuit goes away, and Kaep can possibly try out for teams. If the lawsuit was continuing, Kaep would still be blackballed. If Kaep wants the opportunity to play next season, this is the best way for him to be able to do it.
John,
The NFL doesn’t like to settle. The fact that they settled means they were vulnerable.
He prevailed as the money grubber we all knew him to be.
If he donates all that money he grubbed to a worthy cause-all of it-then I’ll admit right on this blog you might have something with your worship of his flesh…….otherwise, he’s a grubber.
If Kaep is a money grubber, what are the owners? Even worse.
Your right, Sebs……….in the upside-down world, two wrongs make a right and justify a behavior.
Sebby’s been smoking it since The Jefferson Airplane played in Golden Gate Park.
Neil Young says it ruined his ability for song-writing, said craven politicians will legalize every self-indulgent drug they can if it will help them get re-elected.
Awesome!!! But I really do not care.
Grant,
I’m pretty sure court settlements are non taxable so he is walking away with quite a bit more money than he would have if he continued playing.
Good call.
It is taxable if it isn’t for a physical injury.
Nope. It depends on the nature of the compensation. Always has. Always will. Within legal settlements happen are two groups — (a )personal injury and (b)non-injury claims. The claims in these categories typically fall into three sub-categories:
Actual damages resulting from the (a) physical or(b )non-physical injury.
Emotional distress damages arising from the (a) actual physical or (b non-physical injury
Punitive damages
1. Punitive is virtually always taxable (there is one exception that does not apply).
2. Compensation to ‘make one whole’ e.g. pain, suffering, medical costs, loss of limb, sexual function, etc. are not. 3. Emotional distress is taxable UNLESS it’s part of a physical injury claim.
100% of this settlement is non-injury related so is taxable. By the time New York gets done with it, he’ll about 45% of what he gets as he has ZERO non-taxable gain and all of this will taxable as ordinary income.
So what? Kaep will be laughing all the way to the bank. He went from being blackballed and unemployed, to winning 70 mil and having a chance to play.
Seb – No doubt you’re good at landscaping, but you need to bone up on how the legal system works. The famous French writer and philosopher long ago said: “I’ve been ruined twice: Once when I lost a lawsuit and once when I won”. First, off the top come all of his lawyers’ costs and expenses (which in a case like this is a huge sum) and than comes a very hefty percentage for their services. Kaep will get a fraction of the settlement and then pay a good share to Uncle Sam and whatever state he lives in. Not sure if Sun Tzu talked about Pyrrhic victories but you can look it up. BTW – as far as collusion is concerned in the real world – I believe I just read that Eric Reid signed a three year contract with the Panthers. At the end of the day, we have a disagreement among reasonable people as to whether or not Colin (“I’m not really all that much into fundamentals”) Kaepernick was more interested in matters other than becoming a first class NFL quarter back. If his goal really was to become a top rate NFL QB, he had his chance and he blew it.
WC, I have an aversion to lawyers, after getting stiffed by one. I know that Geragos made out like a bandit, but just imagine his fees if the lawsuit went to trial. I hope Kaep pays his fair share of taxes, because I pay my taxes.
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I know all about Pyrrhic ‘victories’, and Sun Tzu emphasized the need to avoid costly sieges, and avoid attacking the strengths of the opposition, in order to preserve his army.
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I know Eric Reid just signed a 3 year, 22 mil deal, and think it was done in conjunction with the settlement.
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Yes, Kaep may not play again, but I sure hope he does. Since I and everyone else are not privy to the details, we can only speculate. I just cannot believe he would settle, with no guarantee that he would not still be blackballed.
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Yes, Kaep has made mistakes. I hope he publicly burns his pig socks and Castro shirt, and apologize for offending anyone. He could atone by donating toward a police widows (and widowers) organization, and help strengthen ties between Cuba and the exiles. He should advocate for more democracy in Cuba. I hope he registers to vote, and votes in the next election. He should recognize that he can protest without angering certain people, and that his protest was counter productive. He should declare that he did affect change, and started a dialogue, so he does not need to kneel anymore, because a police officer was finally found guilty of police brutality. He should help all people by working to reduce gun violence, with a well regulated Second Amendment.
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Kaep is human, and has made mistakes, but he has also been unfairly persecuted. He deserves an opportunity to play, and if he fails, at least he had a chance.
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Personally, if he does get another chance, I think he will take the league by storm, again.
Sun freakin zoo………………………he’s a grubber. How noble………….speaking out of both sides of his mouth.
Seb-
hes not going to burn anything. If he dares do it, he will be castro-ated by his current valentine-the real power behind his throne.
If it helped him get an opportunity to play, I would light them on fire myself.
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She may be responsible for preventing him from signing with the Ravens, with her Django tweet, so I hope she helps him light them on fire, to atone for her actions.
there it is-greed and avarice. “Laughing all the way to the bank…….”.
Your sentiments, no one else’s, Seb.
I sure wish I had 70 mil…….
I remember sitting in the stands at Levi’s during the Packers-Niners game, watching Kap throw the ball to the Niners’ defensive backfield (sitting on the sideline bench), over the heads of his intended receivers. After watching Kap throw a ball into the stands (that I can only hope was a throwaway, unlike his other passes), I remember thinking, “Ah, this quarterback is definitely worth $20 million.”
Rumors are NFL insiders believe the money to be between $60-80 million. Given his skills (and as someone who didn’t care if he took a knee or not, though not something I would do), that is about $40-60 million more than he would have been worth as a QB the last few years.
Do you think Kaepernick will play football again? – Not NFL football.
Is this the last we hear from him? – No
Why or why not? – Colin’s political, or at least associated with things political. The country as a whole is likely to be very politically intensive (“turbulent?”) in the next few years. It would be hard work for him to disappear.
Some lawyers are very happy today!
Kap gets a decent payday but I’m sure the lawyers on both sides make out.
Since Kaep has been silent throughout the last 2 years, I expect him to stay silent, so to not void the settlement.
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However, the NFL is already leaking that the settlement number is around 70 mil. There will be a lot more leaks, and everything will be exposed. Kaep had concrete proof of the collusion and blackballing, and I hope it takes down Goodell.
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Kaep was fighting for the right to play. He will play again, bank on it.
sebnynah says:
August 27, 2017 at 6:18 pm
If Hoyer can play like that, I will not mind if Kaep is blackballed.
Shame on you Sebbie…
Thankfully, Kaep will no longer be blackballed…..
Lol
If his case was so strong he would have taken it to court. Based on your posts you seem to be dumb.
No, the NFL did not want their dirty laundry aired, and voiding the CBA was going to cost them possibly billions.
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Kaep had a slam dunk case with written proof. NFL was willing to give him 70 mil based on a weak case? Wrong, they are cutting their losses.
NFL took in $13 billion last year. Will take in more this year. That’s 1/2 of 1% and only twice what Goodell makes in a year. And they don’t have worry about his BS any longer.
No, Kaep sued to stop the blackballing. He wants to play.
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Goodell may lose his job over this, if he led the blackballing.
All assumptions, Seb.
Perfect example of a man hearing what he wants to hear, and disregarding everything else.
You don’t know the nitty-gritty of this case………….
He’ll never play in the NFL again. Hope his valentine is satisfied.
Neither do you, but I know he is working out hard almost every day, and is in tip top football shape.
But Im not the one making all the assertions, explaining the case so that it fits what i want it to…………you are doing that. Haha! your old “bait and switch” tactics! Havent seen that in a while!
Besides, Sebs–he ALWAYS worked his body out hard! That was never the issue……………..
Saw, just heard Geragos state that Kaep has no limitations on playing. Sounds like he will play again.
Yeah Seb. The NFL forced this “great activist” to take the money.
If he was this real SJW he would have denied the settlement and took it to trial.
You can sit here and beat your chest like it’s a fact he was blackballed, truth is we will never know because he sold out, and Batman’s, Robin is playing football.
You are so typical my Dude!
You live through ESPN and CNN news and think you know what’s going on.
Again Typical, simple and uninformed.
No, the NFL was desperate. They are cutting their losses, because they stand to lose billions if the CBA is voided.
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I am sure Kaep is happy with the settlement, because they probably promised to stop the blackballing. If they continue to blackball him, Kaep might win treble the damages. Then, all the dirty laundry will be aired, and the NFL owners will lose power because they cannot exploit the players anymore.
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Posters who think Kaep will never play again are the delusional ones.
Seb…. it’s impossible to prove collusion unless they had inside spies in these so called collusion meetings. And they are not the government who has that kind of pull.
A claim was put in that owners had a meeting behind closed doors to talk about never picking up on those team.
Behind closed doors is where the problem would have been. And again unless they had intel like the cia would there is no way to prove this happened. That’s why his case was weak in the first place.
I’ll keep it real. With the racial divide in this country that’s been politicized greatly for the last 10 years the NFL did not want to face backlash on this. Like Grant stayed they gave him chump change (to them) to make this problem go away. Kap cashed in on this ridiculous notion simply because he is half black and knows the anger this can promote.
This is a sensitive country now thanks to everyone being offended by anything.
This case was a joke from the get go, any owner can have any reason besides racism or sexism to not want a player on their team.
Him taking a knee is technically a reason an owner can skip over him and not want him on the team.
Kaps lawyers knew this. So they point to collusion knowing it would be impossible to prove, but also knew they had the power of this ridiculous race card that’s been overplayed for years. And in today’s society calling anyone a racist wins the case to half of the public eye.
Those who truly know the statistics of police murder,and black on black murders aren’t buying this collusion garbage. You can say it was because he was taking a knee only. But we all know he and his lawyers are taking the racial discrimination route.
And again they knew it would win them the settlement.
So basically anyone can claim this case even though 80 percent of sports are filled with talented black men, and they will generate a big enough following to have a great chance to win.
He should be thanking people like you Seb who continue to support and help keeping this country divided with this political garbage.
It’s nothing more than feelings over facts. Today’s SJW America.
And it’s pathetic! Only true racists point fingers, I’m gone facts and see color only! And with Kaps language over the past 3 years he’s nothing but a race baiter gaining from this.
The end!
Md, nice screed.
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How touching, accusing me of dividing this country. I am not the guy who called Mexicans rapists, or accusing 3 year olds of being gang members. I did not call black players SOBs or that the Charlottesville marchers -‘are very fine people’. I do not take Putin’s word over our Intelligence community, and name call every person he dislikes. I do not call a black person – low IQ. I am not calling to build a wall only on the southern border, ignoring the entire northern border. They actually caught a terrorist trying to come over the Northern border, but that fact is conveniently ignored.
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Believe it or not, I am for equality. I am for liberty, and justice for all. I want to perfect this union, this grand experiment on democracy, and not toady up to dictators. I want accountability, and be responsible for my actions. I want checks and balances, obey all laws, and not consider myself above the law. I want to restore the honor and dignity of this republic, and keep alliances strong. I hope the United States can become a leader again, and be respected around the world instead of being a pariah.
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Thankfully, the day of reckoning will soon be here, unless they can suppress the truth. Ronald Reagan is rolling over in his grave. I may have been diametrically opposite from him in many ways, but at least I knew he loved this country. He considered Russia to be the evil empire, and wanted to tear down walls. He signed nuclear pacts, he did not rip them up.
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It is a typical right wing tactic to project their own faults on others. They did that with the Jews, and now some are accusing the victims of racism to be racists. Trump accused Hillary of stealing the election, while he accepted foreign aide to steal it himself. He pounds his chest and whines about being a victim from all the leaks, when he used leaks to attack Clinton. He accuses poor victimized immigrants to be murderers and rapists, when they are fleeing from being murdered and raped. He claimed to want to drain the swamp, while presiding over the most corrupt administration in the modern era.
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Thankfully, I believe in the goodness and kindness of America. I believe in the vast majority of Americans who have morals and reject the hate. Sure, Racism is still alive and well, and it will take generations to change from the slaveholder mentality, but racial divides are crumbling. Sports are leading the way. Hard for racists to cheer for their football team when 80% are minorities.
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I will calmly say that almost all the hate against Kaep is motivated by racism. All he wants is social justice. He is not dividing this country, unless you are the small part that likes white cops shooting the poor and minorities, then getting away with murder. The claim that he is not good enough is just a red herring.
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Pointing out racism does not make one a racist. It makes one an American. Accuse me of keeping this country divided? Bring it on. I consider myself a patriot, and Kaep, too. I am glad many Military personnel are supporting him, too. They revere the Constitution, not the flag. The flag does not deserve respect if it is used to hate, vilify others, and cover up injustices. Every racist is a hypocrite when he pledges allegiance to the flag, because the last words are- WITH LIBERTY AND JUSTICE FOR ALL.
It’s been my experience that those that play the race card initially are often the racist.
When a white cop empties his gun into the back of a young unarmed black man, I assume the victim is not a racist.
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When his mother cries for justice, I do not call her a racist, either.
Oooohh Noooooo…………
However, if he IS filled with LooOOOve and tolerance and donates all that money, I will gladly eat crow.
Ali made a big sacrifice, a real sacrifice–and had instant credibility his entire life.
When Kap speaks, we know its somebody else.
Ali was vilified and called worse things for years. Please learn some history before inserting your foot in your mouth.
Specifically………..what history are you alluding to that I was incorrect about?
Forget the rude remarks, Sebs–I luv ya too much but to get nothing but a chuckle from them.
Again, based on exactly what I said………where have I “inserted my foot in my mouth”?
‘He had instant credibility his entire life.’- Insert foot.
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By refusing to serve due to being a conscientious objector, Ali was called a coward and worse. He was stripped of his titles and did not fight for 4 years, while he was in his prime, just like Kaep was deprived of playing for these last 2 years. Those 4 years were hell for him, with white persecution at its extreme. Frazier even made it personal.
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You may take your foot out of your mouth, now.
Oh, brother…………
OK, Sebs–after he went to prison, which is clearly what I meant.
Your school-marm tactics do you no credit. Even Sun Zoo would agree, you should refrain from cheap, petty arguments. Stick to the jist of the issue and you’ll reach more people.
Actually, he did not serve any time.
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Education is a blessing….;p
Haha!! Splitting hairs, then splitting them again! Purposely ignoring the Forest and focusing on a tree! More school-marm tactics….certainly not worthy of Sun Zoo. You have learned nothing, grasshopper, and you will never leave the temple!
You would do better to start drinking hair of the dog than that peace pipe of yours!
This is too easy… Buck up and give me some food for thought!
Was Kaepernick’s agenda here to prove he’d been wronged or just to get paid?
Claiming victory for him on this just seems like something we hear from an orange dude all the time.
Kaep wants to play. Nothing in the settlement has mentioned that Kaep will still be blackballed.
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Eric Reid just got a 3 year contract worth 22 mil, so he is going to be allowed to play.
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That orange dude just got kicked in the teeth because the guy he called an SOB just got 70 mil.
He’s a grubber.
Jack Hammer, I equate President Trump to, Al Czervik. The character in Caddyshack played by Rodney Dangerfield. He gets into the exclusive country club, does whatever he pleases, says whatever’s on his mind, and doesn’t worry about offending anybody….
We all should be lucky enough to find someone who looks at us the same way that Sebbie looks at Kaepernick.
Don’t dominate the rap, Jack………;p
Sadly, Sebbie looked at Kaep under a condition…recall Sebbie’s quote, gushed in August of ’17.
If Sebbie ‘has your back’, be very cautious.
Jack’s take is stronger than your take. Deal with it.
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I am jumping for joy, now that Kaep essentially won, and will be allowed to play again. No more blackballing.
Blackmailing, fixed it for ya.
Like the NE with Bezos?
sebnynah says:
August 27, 2017 at 6:18 pm
If Hoyer can play like that, I will not mind if Kaep is blackballed.
Own it Sebbie… It’s your take. You posted it, not me.
It is all moot, because Kaep will not be blackballed anymore. Deal with it.
Just pointing out how two-faced you can be. Shame on you Sebbie.
The stench of Baalke seems to envelope you.
As Nelson would say… “Ha! Ha!”
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rX7wtNOkuHo
Even the stench of Baalke cannot rain on my parade.
Welcome to the world of Alice in Wonderland.
Hows the Mad Hatter doing these days, Sebs?
Eat the one that does nothing at all, it is safer.
Will Nessa let him play? C’mon Sebbie, you’re on record that Nessa controls Kaep. So, What’s next?
Nessa has nothing to do with this. Maybe her unwavering support helped Kaep.
Nessa is a harpy in trousers, while Kaepernick is a nincompoop.
But Sebbie… That’s NOT what you claimed on several occasions past. You labeled her ‘Delilah”. Seduced Colin and kept him from his real love–football. You DO remember that, don’t you? Must we pull that from the archives too?
Circumstances change. Sending that Django post did not help him, but now, that is all moot.
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Kaep will no longer be blackballed, so his gf has nothing to do about his playing.
Slippery as always Sebbie…
You still have bad breath.
Haha!!
What “circumstances” would those be? Those that you have to keep shifting to support your zealotry?
Now thats the truth! Hell, my own wife doesn’t look at me the way Sebs looks at Kap!
Can’t say I blame her.
Kap and Reid I did not like either of them. Too bad a below average Q/B and activist receives this large on a payout.
It is your right to feel that way, but I am glad that justice prevailed. I like both of them and hope they play for years.
What justice, Seb? He lawyered up, worked the system and extracted money–for himself. A grubber.
Lets see if he gives it all away. And NOT to the socialist or communist party……….
Considering all the blackballing and persecution, he earned every penny.
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Considering he has already given away millions, you sound churlish.
He can afford it quite easily………….If he didn’t say such stupid uneducated things about Castro, the little tiny bit of money we spend on education in this country-which is false- and how all cops are pigs-juvenile to the extreme-nobody would have blasted him. He should have stuck with the bad cops, and he would have really done some good……….
But that was not his valentine’s agenda.
Actually, while I concede that Castro was a Communist and fought just as dirty as his adversaries, he did some good things like extend education, and a decent health care system. Cuba was an exporter, and the Cuban people were not starving like Venezuela seems to slipping towards.
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Castro was a baseball player, and a Baseball fan, so he did have redeeming qualities. I think he wanted peace, but the Bay of Pigs and the Cuban Missile Crisis could never be forgotten, or forgiven by some Americans. In the end, they finally stopped trying to kill him, and he had a long life, well beloved by his people. Hopefully with his passing, Cuba can normalize relations with the US and become more democratic. Sure, the Cuban Exile Community hates his guts, but that kind of hate we need less of. Castro eliminated the scourge of organized crime and a Banana Republic in Cuba, so reconciliation is only a future dream.
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Do not get me started on education. We spend way too little on education in America. Charter schools, oversized classrooms, over worked and under appreciated teachers.
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No, Kaep was only against the rogue cops, He has stated his appreciation for cops in general, and mainly focuses on the rogue cops who abuse authority while evading justice. Maybe you take one instance and label him, but maybe you should read more about what he says. He even states that he does not denigrate the military, but his protest is for social justice, against hate.
Rogue Cops was NOT the only thing he was talking about! Just speak the truth, Seb, and stop being so politically correct. We all know the things he said about this country and its people–and it was not just about rogue cops. That was his girlfriend speaking thru him.
I do not believe there is a single person on this blog who thinks rogue cops should not be dealt with severely. Who is that person?
Cap got himself into trouble by doing his girlfriends REAL bidding……….didn’t she call that ex-ball player a slave to the owners? She scores real points, she does. And Kap became her catspaw.
After messing with a team mates women…..more nobility. Great for team morale! The QB of the team set a real noble example!
He’s nothing more than flesh and blood, Seb. You are deluding yourself, and I believe Zoo would scold you for this.
Saw, Grant has bestowed a Kaep posting on me, and I plan to use it to my heart’s content.
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Really you are getting desperate. Stealing gf? She broke up with All Done. He wasted a 90 mil contract on a woman who did not want him. If only he had stayed sober, and signed that contract, he would have had his pick of women, they would have inundated him.
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So Sebbie…
Which teams will rush forward and get into a bidding war for his services? Well, that’s if Nessa (Delilah in your eyes) lets him. Which teams?
Do you believe this development will turn the ’19 draft inside out?
Do you still believe ‘if Shanahan really wants to win’ he’ll bring Kaep back?
Chris Carter just speculated that the Pats might make Kaep Brady’s heir apparent.
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Guess they want to win more Super bowls.
Do you believe Chris Carter speaks for the Patriots?
You seem to want to troll, why don’t you speculate about it.
I think Chris Carter should check into a substance abuse clinic.
Except for his Nike commercial Kaep has relatively stayed out of the media limelight.
He never went around expousing his beliefs.
I hope that there was no stipulation in the settlement that closes any chance of Kaepernick playing in the NFL again.
If Kaep believes that he can still play, he at the very least should be given the opportunity to prove it.
This way there will be no loose ends on whether he can still play or not.
Thank you for your very fair post.
Since the 2016 season I’ve always felt Kaep had enough ‘stuff’ to play QB in the NFL–either as a backup, or starter for a team without one, and a system fit. Yes Sebbie, check the archives.
Going into the 2019 season, I’m not as convinced–having been away for two complete seasons and turning 32 this November. If there’s nothing as of today to prevent him from signing with a team (and he decides he wants to), it will come down to his willingness to put in the work and commit. Would he be willing to sign with any team, or two or three? I wouldn’t be surprised if he steps back into the pool, or focuses only on solidifying is status as a social activist away from day-to-day pro football. Either way.
Would be interesting to learn what’s in the stipulation.
Congrats to kap……on “winning” his case…….the NFL is really clueless most times….all they had to do was give him a back up job or at least a try out……
Was he really that bad for biz?
I agree….
Hopefully this ends the kap football story…..let him focus on helping the communities with the injustice cause….
Nope. Kaep sued for the chance to play. He felt he was being unfairly blackballed. He would have gone to court if they had added that stipulation, and still won.
He didn’t win though, he settled. Not the same thing. Are you saying the NFL won because they settled too? No, right?
Both sided compromised because both had something to gain and lose. The NFL wanted this to go away and it was already costing them money (companies settle all the time even when they are not in the wrong — cost of doing business). It is cheap to settle than to drag case out and look bad in the process (and the NFL is very image conscious). Kap and his team were in for a protracted and difficult battle. They were likely to embarrass the NFL along the way, which helped drive both to the table.
NF did win because the get to conceal their perfidy. They also did not get the CBA voided, which means they keep their power over the players.
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Like many said, 70 mil is chump change to them.
You can’t make somebody hire you if they don’t think your good enough.
Bring out the stats for Kaps last 3 yrs……………..his 4 yard game………………….his precision like throws……………never taking a multitude of foolish sacks because he has the throwing motion of a pitcher……………..and his famous study habits…………..
Quit the silly insults , Seb-bring out the stats and prove me wrong.
Saw, you should regurgitate them yourself, since you think they are so important. I remember those times. The backstabbing, leaks and smears. The stench of Baalke. The coaching incompetence. Putting profits over winning. Not even trying. Historically bad defense. Turnstile O line. Lack of weapons. Mangenius and O’Neil as DCs.
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I remember that last game of Kaep. They were playing the Rams and were down 2 touchdowns. Kaep lead, in a stirring comeback. They scored in the last seconds, and Kaep went for 2 to win. He was stopped but could not be denied. He willed his team to victory. He won that last game, and it cost the Niners the first pick in the draft. Baalke was livid. I think Kaep won because it is in his DNA to win. He also won just to tick off Baalke, but I am glad they won, no matter the outcome in the draft. In fact, I hope the Niners pick last every year.
Those stats you are afraid of are a huge barometer of where he’s trending. Thats why your frightened of them. If it was in your interest, they would have been pulled up and shown…………
Look thru history, Sebs……Civilizations and/or people start doing very poorly when they worship the flesh. And Sun Zoo said this in the 3rd chapter of his book.
No one will sign Kap. In fact, rumors are that he had to agree to not seek a job in the NFL to get this deal. He doesn’t love football, if he did he’d have played in the CFL or AAF. It was always about the money.
Kaep sued to stop the blackballing. NFL was desperate to keep the evidence secret.
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Kaep wants to win a SB. He wants to play. He never would have settled if they were going to continue blackballing him. He was not interested in the money. He has millions, and earns millions more.
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The NFL folded like a house of cards, but some will claim they won.
Look everyone! The chicken man is here!!
1. Collusion is hard to prove. I mean a bunch of mostly conservative business owners individually wanting to protect their NFL asset from social scrutiny by signing Kaepernick isn’t that hard to believe. I mean it’s just as easy to believe they got together to blackball him. But you have to prove the later statement.
2. The payout isn’t huge in terms of the NFL’s financial big picture. But it is huge as a single payout. Kaerpenick himself really hasn’t been part of the NFL or anything outwardly political except for his Nike endorsement deal. It’s not like he’s making the rounds on the all the popular and political talk shows. So I have to believe that the NFL knows there’s something at least that could be perceived semi-believable in the case that could go against them. I don’t think they were going to lose but I don’t think they want their dirty laundry aired out in public either.
3. I will be interested to see if he donates any more money to any more social activist causes. On the other hand Kaepernick probably felt he was owed money by the NFL because : 1. he signed a team friendly contract (yes he made $48M but at the time he could have demanded more money and said he left money on the table to sign other players). 2. He probably feels that the NFL really did collude against him and prevent him from making more money.
4. I don’t know if he’s prevented from getting back into the NFL. But he’s most likely prohibited from suing the NFL for colluding against him again….which effectively locks him out of the NFL anyway.
1. Kaep had collusion and blackballing, proven in writing and emails.
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2. The NFL had billions to lose if they voided the CBA, so they were desperate.
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3. We do not know if he is donating right now, before the settlement. Personally, I think he has.
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4. I am sure that Kaep did not lie down and let the NFL walk all over him. He probably has assurances that they will no longer blackball him, so he can play again. We will find out once the Free Agency period starts. If they continue to blackball him, Kaep would probably say they violated the settlement, and get treble damages.
Do you have inside info or just your gut feeling?
Do you?
Reminds me of the Russell’s Teapot conundrum….
Geragos stated that he had uncovered copious evidence during discovery, months ago.
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There was a very real possibility that the CBA could have been voided if the NFL lost, hence the settlement.
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Kaep gave a million dollars to seek social justice. Why would he stop, now that he won 70 mil?
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All I know is that Kaep wanted to play in the NFL, and turned down offers to play in the CFL and AAF. Since Kaep is a SB QB who came within 5 yards of winning it all, it is just logical to assume he wants to achieve his dream. I also know that he was being blackballed, because teams signed players like Peterman, Barkley, Johnson and the Butt Fumbler, instead of Kaep. Anyone who think those QBs are superior to Kaep, have no football acumen.
“Garagos stated……….”. The word of a freekin lawyer………….maybe the single biggest liars on the face of the planet. More real honesty, however brutal, is spoken in our federal prisons……………
@seb
1. I do not know if those writings and emails were ever considered conclusive evidence of league wide blackballing. Again LEAGUE WIDE. He’s suing the NFL not just a few teams. If such evidence existed it would have been worth it for Kaepernick to continue his case.
2. I do not believe the NFL was in danger of losing. But I do think the process would have been painful for them.
3. Yeah he probably has donated more money.
4. He can’t have assurances that the NFL won’t blackball him anymore. If he did he’d have evidence that they were blackballing him. His NFL career is done. He was talented but also limited. About the only two teams I could see signing him are the Seahawks and the Ravens. And I don’t see either one doing that. We haven’t heard a peep out of Kaepernick about his desire to play at any time recently. Previously he said he’d play in the NFL even as a back up. But that never came to be. He doesn’t appear to want to play in the minor leagues. If he really wanted to play, (and now that he’s settled his case) he’d take any job he can playing QB to prove he can still play. So it will be interesting to see if he really still wants to play.
The evidence was rock solid, and it was a slam dunk that he would have won, hence the settlement.
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The blackballing was proven by teams signing and playing drek QBs, who had never sniffed the playoffs. It was doubly proven by the fact that teams would not even give him a tryout.
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Kaep is a SB QB who was 5 yards from winning one, and one pass from returning. He has set playoff rushing records and has a 4-2 road playoff record. His last year, he had a 16-4 TD to interception ratio, with a 90.7 QBR. Even with that 2-14 record due to a putrid defense, his rushing helped the Niners be 6th in the league in rushing.
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The whole reason he was suing the league, was his desire to play. Posters who are dissing him for not playing in the AAF, are clueless. Why risk injury playing with scrubs, if an injury might destroy his lawsuit? Now that he has settled, I hope no one will think that it would be a smart move for him to play in the AAF.
1. How was the evidence “Rock Solid”?
2. Anyone watching Kapernick play over the course of his career saw that he was a limited QB. He did not read coverages quickly and make quick decisions. He did not have pocket presence. He’s a good QB when he has time and no pressure. He was an efficient and almost a check down passer (ironically becoming Alex Smith) in his later years due to his receivers not being WIDE open downfield. By the time he was benched he was a shell of his former self in terms of mental readiness for the game….not seeing open receivers….or in one extreme case a completely uncovered receiver. To what degree his shrinking transformation was his fault or the poor offensive plays and players around him are debatable. He was at best an efficient back up QB or borderline starter (for certain teams) when he left the 49ers.
The law suit was not about his actual desire to play. Agree or disagree with his stance; the lawsuit was a socio-political statement against injustice. One of the main reasons he didn’t play was because initially he didn’t want to be a back up QB. His asking price was too high for a back up QB or borderline starter (I think it was Denver that offered him $7M and he wanted something like $12M).
He’s probably done in the NFL (unless Seattle or Baltimore want to have him try out). If he really wants to play and rehab his on field football image; he’ll play for a minor league to show the NFL that he he’s a good QB. Because right now …strictly speaking about football….he’s 3 years removed from being an efficient borderline starter and/or back up with limited football awareness.
I do not know how rock solid, but I heard that Jerry Jones was imploring his fellow owners to fire any kneelers. Discovery was done over months, and they deposed many people. Geragos was confident he had plenty of evidence, and could probably have used the Orange glow’s statement about firing SOBs.
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You and I will never agree, but I am supremely confident that, with a decent supporting cast, Kaep could take the league by storm, again. He was the first college QB to pass for 10,000 yards and run for 4,000 yards, so he has shown that he can be very productive. 181 yards rushing in the playoffs is excelling on the brightest stage. He put his foot on the half yard line, then sprinted upfield untouched for a TD. Kaep has a cannon arm, yet has thrown with touch. He has the mobility to avoid pass rushers, and the strength to shrug off arm tackles. He is a threat to score every time he touches the ball. It only took him 10 games to make it to the SB, and has a 4-2 road playoff record.
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Kaep wants to play, and his lawsuit was all about the blackballing, which prevented him from playing. He did accept being benched, but regained his starting job when Gabbert pulled a Gabbert, and benched himself. Maybe he should have accepted the Bronco deal, but Elway was trying to lowball him. Elway blew it, and should have offered a fair deal, because the QBs he subsequently selected were marginal at best.
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Kaep will get his chance. All he needs is a fair opportunity to compete against other QBs. He would beat out Bortles after one practice, and several teams would greatly benefit from having Kaep and his skillsets. Washington and Miami have no QB. Jax, Giants Bengals, Jets, Cards, Bills, Lions and TB, all have QBs that Kaep could out compete. If given a fair tryout, Kaep could prove his worth.
Kap could not beat anyone with just and only his arm. Not good enough. ‘Ol windup was exposed. I would put in a dime defense and all he’d have is a running game–and it better be Frank Gore caliber.
AFFP: Not league wide. Kap only needed to show that two out of 32 teams colluded in order to win his case. My guess is that there were E-mails between McNair and Jones calling for a blackballing that would have come out in discovery.
I think Kap will play again. The sorry spectacle of Nathan Peterman and Mark Sanchez playing QB last year alone tells me some team will sign him.
Haha!
We know what you think “personally”, but there is no documentation anywhere that he ever walked on water!
Here’s something that’s going to really give you a pisser, Sebs………..I think he’s just a human being! There-I said it!
Hows that for bursting your bubble!
Saw, I have stated that Kaep is human, and has made mistakes.
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I am glad that you finally said one nice thing about him.
Check this…
http://www.nfl.com/news/story/0ap3000001018077/article/cardinals-should-deal-josh-rosen-pick-kyler-murray-in-nfl-draft
WTH has that to do with Seb or Kaep? Focus!
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No, no, let her present other topics. Then, at least she is not haunting my posts. I have had enough stench of Baalke for today.
Yes Kap was 5 yards away from a Super Bowl but he stared down Crabtree three times from the 5 yard line because he can only read half the field. That loss is on him as much as the defense.
I disagree. It was poor play calling. I mean schematically it’s the right call…..back shoulder fade routes against press coverage using inside leverage. But it’s not a high percentage play. They should have ran it and used play action as well to get the receivers open.
Ok bro he had 3 times to change the play at the LOS…At least roll out. Kaep choked, deer in headlights look and everything. I remember being stunned after the third fade, yelling wtf are you doing? Blame the coach. That’s cool. Clearly you have never played QB so why think u know? I’ll never understand ppl like you
He’s a defensive guru. You hand the ball to Frank Gore down there, and if for some reason he’s unable to score, you run a rollout with a RPO….
JH called a time out, just before Kaep strolled into the end zone, so he may take some blame. Crab was the one wheedling that he was open every time.
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Kaep should have just given the ball to Frank Gore.
Or bootlegged it. Do a misdirection and have Kap sprint the other way. That D was gassed and would not keep up with Kaps speed.
Free-kin Roman………………….
If you remember, Harbaugh wasted the first down by sending James on a useless dive play into the line instead of taking a timeout after Gore’s long run to the five. Then he called for a run by Kap which would have been a touchdown except it took too long to get the play in to Kap and Harbaugh had to call a timeout to avoid a delay penalty. After that they called all those fades to Crabtree.
Not the finest play calling of Harbaugh’s career.
Thats somebody else’s fault.
Some of yall need to take your meds. Seriously.
It’s pure speculation how much the NFL is paying them. 80 million is not a fact. And Reid has his hand out too, after bashing Boldin and them for taking the NFLs money. This whole thing has just been a mess. Personally I’m glad it’s over. I am surprised that Kaepernick ended up just taking the money. It really was all about the money. And like many GMs see, Kaep is not about the team. He is about himself.
Your a fool if you think Kaepernick will play in the NFL again. Belichick wants Kaep? I bet that’s the last player he wants on his team. Shows your ‘football acumen’. And by the way, Chris Carter still smokes crack.
We will see, I expect to see reports about Kaep trying out for teams, and Free Agency will tell the tale. I think the league will bend over backwards to prove they are not blackballing Kaep still.
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If you think Hoyer is better than Kaep, I will question your football acumen. Chris Carter has league connections, so he did not throw out that rumor cavalierly. If any coach can utilize a player properly, Belichick is the man. He would see Kaep as a player with a cannon arm that can run like a gazelle. Brady needs an heir, and Hoyer is not the guy.
First off, good on Kaep for getting paid a reportedly large sum for not playing football. That may sound like sarcasm, but its not. Good for him. He parlayed a couple of promising years into a lot of money to spend his time either playing average at best football, ride the pine, or do nothing at all.
I very much doubt Kaep will ever be involved in the NFL again. Tbh, I don’t believe he is interested in being part of the NFL, let alone the NFL wanting him back. I think his reported contract demands over the past couple of years suggest this is a guy that wasn’t interested in risking his health unless he got very well paid for it.
Let’s talk March 14th.
Why wait? He’s already a FA and free to sign with a team any time.
I think things will start moving once Foles is tagged, then traded. Bridgewater, too.
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Geragos just stated that Kaep has no limitations on playing. He predicted Carolina may be a potential target, with Newton’s surgery.
Geragos also said Kraft, so Chris Carter was prescient.
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He then mentioned former Niner coaches.Maybe Fangio or Roman wants him.
If there really was collusion and Kaep settled with a confidential agreement then he SOLD out his fellow football players/union, which would not be surprising at all. He is chump and always will be a chump.
Kaep went up against the league, and got a settlement. He empowered and inspired the players to stand up for their rights, but even the players saw how powerless they are against the owners. The players themselves were cowed by the league, and probably expected Kaep to lose. The fact that Kaep got a settlement, was probably encouraging to them.
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Did they kneel in support with Kaep? No. Kaep owes them nothing and he did not sell out anyone.
He is a crusader of bringing attention to the wrongs of society. Collusion is a very serious charge and if he had the opportunity to right a wrong why didn’t he? What kind of crusader is he, was he bought off with money? To your own admission he could of helped the union tremendously, that was your biggest thing. Either there was no collusion or he was bought off, either way he is a chump.
The NFL are cutting their losses, and Kaep is being realistic. He is not selling out for not wanting the daunting task to prove collusion. He made the best of a bad situation, and he had no guarantee of success. If it did go to trial, all his money may have gotten eaten up by the lawyers, This was a best case scenario, and posters who diss him for not fighting, probably think there was no collusion.
Of course he settled because collusion is a very hard thing to prove but one thing Kaepernick looks bad at is that it was about the money not proving the owners wrong. If it was about right or wrong he would fight it to the end no matter what the owners offered but now everybody knows it was about the money and the owners know that that’s why they threw money at him.
As Grant pointed out the nfl(owners) make 10 billion a year so 80 million is chump change to them and now they got Kaepernick out of there hair and out of the nfl.
I will read between the lines, and assume that Geragos urged Kaep to settle, because it would have been a long protracted fight, and Kaep would get the best deal if they did settle. A trial would have been costly, with no guarantee of success.
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I still firmly believe that Kaep will get an opportunity to sign and play, even though some one calls him an SOB who should be fired.
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Kaep sued because he wants to play. If they blackball him again, he can sue again.
Just watched Sportcenter and they said some former players like Larry Johnson are calling Kaepernick a sell out for taking the money. He even stated that Malcom X, Muhammad Ali, and MLK would’ve never settled.
Kaep will always have his detractors. Bet they never kneeled in their lives.
Actually they died for what they believed in MLK and Malcom X were murdered.
Kneeling? This men paid the price with there lives! Not only did they have detractors but also people trying to assassinate them which tragically succeeded in doing so.
Sorry, I was talking about the players.
Yeah I get you I was just making a point no biggy. He kneeled to get attention for the cause which I totally understand just saying that he let the owners shut him down which is what Grant was trying to say YES he won money But the owners also won by painting Kaepernick as a sellout through other black athletes.
How do you know they were cowed by the league? Would you say that to their faces? Cuz I surely wouldn’t-nor do I believe it.
Unless he give’s it all away to better other people’s lives……hes a grubber.
Social justice does not equal collusion
How has he sold out ….he got paid because the NFL colluded not to hire him…..not because he gave up his social justice platform
Honestly I’m glad Kaepernick and Reid are gone but Kaepernick won this case the guy gets almost 80 million for not doing nothing there’s hundreds of hard working athletes that would never see 80 mill in there sports career.
Yes Grant the owners make billions of dollars a year but no way they can be happy about paying a guy 80 million that was a pain in there butts for the last few years and even had Trump calling them out at times. Obviously the owners just wanted it to end.
There’s a major point here that’s overlooked in this . If Kap was a good QB he would have been signed a long time ago … coaches know it , GMs know it , fans know it , Kaepernick knows it
Agree but that wasn’t my point he’s getting almost 80 million regardless what coaches , GMs, and fans think for doing nothing.
Kaep was being blackballed vilified and denied the opportunity to make a living, but you think that was nothing?
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He has earned every penny of his settlement, and the NFL is escaping justice. Their malfeasance should have voided the CBA, but money talks, so the owners get to continue to exploit the players.
You do know the 49ers released him and went with Brian Hoyer? Why do you have this love affair with Kaepernick?
And how did that turn out? Hoyer pulled a Gabbert, and benched himself.
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I will defend Kaep because I think he was the best QB to lead the Niners to the SB. Now, I am happy with JG, but wish Kaep well, and admire his stance on social justice.
And the previous year of Kaepernicks last year with the 49ers they were 2-14 so how did that work out for him and the Niners?
And I’m a 49ers fan I root for those presently on the team like Jimmy G the past is the past Kaepernick is gone and ain’t coming back so just deal with it end of story.
Solely blaming Kaep for a 2-14 season is specious, especially after assessing the defense.
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Even Joe Montana could not have won with that defense, which let third string RBs gallop for 200 yards.
Excuses? Oh okay but you could also make a case for Brian Hoyer having an awful defense and less supporting cast?
Actually, Hoyer lost 5 games by 13 points, so the games were close. Hoyer just was not up to the task. With better QB play, the Niners could have won those games.
Ah Baloney, Sebs…………
I’ve pointed out to you many times where you could have bled for humanity, but you are exceedingly selective on that issue……………
And don’t feign outrage, either-it won’t sell.
Kaps shortcomings as a QB are somebody else’s fault.
Saw, I always want Kaep to be better. With better support, better results.
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Hopefully, he will finally be allowed to compete, then we will see.
Kaep was being blackballed, so not contract was forthcoming. Get real.
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Teams would rather lose without Kaep, than win with him.
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Peterman, Osweiler, Hundley, Johnson, Barkley, McCoy, the Butt Fumbler and others were inferior to Kaep, but were allowed to fail.
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Kaep knows he was superior to them, but the unreasoned hatred was too strong.
I agree that he’s better then those QBs for sure and your misunderstanding me I’m not denying that there was no wrong doing by the nfl but he wasn’t as good as you think he was he was an average QB at best and he could run for sure but he was pretty bad his last few years in the league.
Thank you, Grant, for throwing me a cookie, although it was big news today. ;p
Babies do love their cookies.
And grown up 62 year olds.
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My daughter just made me some cookies. YUM.
Settlements do not mean your case is weak, it means both sides have determined a range for the value of the case, the cost of further litigation and the downside risks of trial.
It appears Kap did well if he is receiving between $60-&80M to compensate him for his loss income . The NFL would not pay this amount if they did not see a substantial risk of doing worse in Trial.
By the way, except for punitive damages the NFL’s income is irrelevant, it was Kap’s damages which primarily matter. It also demonstrates there was some market for his services, otherwise he could not establish his damages.
Anybody who thinks the NFL comes out looking good from this settlement is delusional.
The settlement is an indication that the NFL colluded to keep a decent and deserving man who protested and was willing put his career on the line for those who could not defend themselves.
All the naysayers have managed to prove is that racism is alive and well in the US.
My hat is off to Kap and I hope he gets another chance to show his skills
So kapfan………………don’t be a racist!
What are you going to say….that God made a mistake, and you know whats right?
With the money perhaps Kaep can buy directions to his polling location.
Kaep can social protest all he wants, he gets no respect from me in trashing the most fundamental avenue of bringing about social change and dancing on the graves of real activists who gave up much much more than playing a kids game to secure that right.
Agreed 1000 percent.
But your statement is going to give Sebs a real pisser!
This kind of end to the dispute could have been predicted at day one. The reason I say this is that the legal issues do not give rise to a claim for which attorney fees could be awarded to the winning party. That means that no matter what the final outcome was, since it is based solely on a cash payment, the winning party would only receive the net amount of the settlement minus attorney fees and out out of pocket costs. When cases like this are brought, the objective is to do only enough work to get the two sides to focus on this sad fact: You may win but like my quote from Voltaire, you will actually lose. The only winners in cases where the parties bear their own legal expenss, except in extremely rare circumstances, are the lawyers, and others who will collect. This case settled when Mark Geragos and his crew were offered just enough money for their services so that the offer could not be refused. The NFL made a similar calculation to stem the bleeding and move on. Collusion is in the news today because of Trump. But collusion is not a crime. Geragos would have to prove that the NFL colluded in some form of actionable activity that justifies the payment of damages which is much more difficult. Had the case gone to trial, the result would be extremely unpredictable because, at the end of the day, the issue would have been was he denied employment because of his legal protest activities or because of he sucks as a quarterback. To paraphrase an old saying: All the fans in the world laid end to end could not reach a conclusion on that issue.
Wc, yes over the last 2 plus years we’ve been treated to the statement that collusion is not a crime, which is correct. Conspiracy to commit criminal acts however is a crime. Thanks to Kaepernick’s money grab we may never know if the owners meet that bar.
We will find out. Maybe not from Kaep, but the NFL leaks like a sieve.
Getting $60-$80 million for throwing a tantrum about getting benched then playing the masses by claiming it was about injustice. The NFL comes out looking like a bunch of candy*sses for caving in.
What a joke.
This might be the most incredulous story and outcome in the history of professional sports. First, Kaep hits the seen when Alex Smith goes down and by some divine harmonic convergence, supported by a great defense and running game, runs and throws his way into the Super Bowl. Reality hits the following season with teams focusing on stopping the Niner run, put a spy on Kaep and force him to beat them with his arm. It all culminates in the NFC Championship game when Kaep throws a pass with seconds remaining to win the game to Michael Crabtree and Richard Sherman breaks it up creating Malcolm Smith’s pick…
From that point forward Kaep’s career goes downhill, culminating on a November 2015 Sunday in St Louis.. With the Niners on their own three, Torrey Smith is split left completely uncovered, jumping up and down, waving his hands at Kaep.. Kaep under center, stares straight ahead, never looking either way takes the snap and hands the ball off, negating the easiest 97 yard touchdown pass of the 2015 NFL season… Kaep is benched two days later..
Fast forward to 2016.. Kaep with the assistance/influence of his radical girlfriend, Nessa, morphs into the second coming of Huey Newton, takes a knee igniting a political war between America’s right and the Left that still resonates today.. He becomes a Free Agent post 2016 with no takers. He parlays NFL ostracism into a “Collusion” case, settles with the NFL and cashes in for millions. We will never see a fairy tail like this again.. This is an Oliver Stone movie waiting to be made..
To me, Kaep is even more of a hero. He took on a whole league, and forced them to settle. The NFL had a lot to hide, and voiding the CBA would make them lose power sooner.
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I fully expect Kaep to be trying out, because if they continue to blackball him, the NFL will be guilty of violating the conditions of the settlement.
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Kaep wants to play. I think he never would have settled without assurances he gets a fair chance to try out for teams.
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Sure it will be made into a movie, with Kaep as the hero, and the league as the villains.
Hey, Rod Serling–you dont know the specifics of the settlement!
Holy Cow, Sebs–say hello to the Mad Hatter!
Saw, feel the burn?
I’m betting he donates a lot of it to charity. Kap is a great person.
The NFL looks like a bunch of clowns. The settlement is a pretty effective resolution for the protestors, maybe not perfect, but effective all the same.
How so? Only his girlfriend and kap get the money.
Kap never should have been blackballed, but he turned down his option to play for free agency, turned down back up roles, and generally played horrible football for over two seasons.
He sucked in fact.
I hope he plays somewhere and continues to play lousy. The only thing he has got going for him is opposing players will probably take it easy on him.
The other quality that Kap did not possess was that of being a leader on the field or the locker room.
His teammates generally, and for good reason, did not like him.
If not for Harbaugh as his coach, this guy was toast.
Once the league figured out his limitations he was done. He could not pass the football in his last two years. He was horrible.
Good luck Kap! Like you need it.
Kaep was not a leader? He won the Len Eshmont Award. It is a prestigious award, voted on by the players- That ‘best exemplifies the inspirational and courageous play of Len Eshmont.’
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‘Players will take it easy on him’? Huh? Some players will take every opportunity to hit him as hard as possible.
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‘He sucked’. No, the GM sucked, the coaches sucked and the team sucked. Kaep had a QBR of 90.7, even with the dysfunction around him.
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‘Good luck Kaep! Like you need it.’ No, he does not need luck, he needs a chance. Thankfully, he will get it.
Way to often we see these cases in labor law going to settlement. While this case has a high profile – it is relevant to Kaepernick’s rights as an employee. Today, attorneys seem to push hard for their client(s) to settle out of court with no trial… I guess law schools don’t produce as many trial attorneys as in the past. The point being – attorneys don’t risk losing at trial when they convince their clients that the case is not a “slam dunk” victory with a jury and settle instead.
Kaepernick’s attorney Mark Geragos has won and lost big trial cases – he even has one former client on California Death Row for a criminal case they lost. No doubt, Geragos knows we’ll, the risks of going to trial or late stage arbitration. Kaepernick appears to have been shown the pros & cons.
Mark G, in my opinion, is the only real winner here. He got a Black American Express card in the 90’s and again 30 years later.
If Kaep gets to play, he is the big winner.
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However, since this was a CBA dispute, the NFL won big because the CBA was not voided.
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I think it was a win/win situation.
Despite all your Kaepoeira (pun intended) you still don’t see why Colin takes a settlement.
~ He has become synonymous with protest, his name will be forever associated with racial profiling and injustice. He doesn’t have to kneel anymore, just showing up now will do!
~ He has proven that he was blackballed, for protesting in silence, when worse QB are picked up by teams.
~ He made them pay for it. $60-80M is a nice sum for staying at home!
~ His Nike ad proves that he’s still marketable AND profitable.
~ A long drawn out court case is not worth anybody’s time.
It looks like Kaep won the last round by TKO!
A quick thought on the issue of agreeing to a settlement:
Whether to settle a case is a complex decision based on a variety of factors, such as likelihood of prevailing on the merits, cost of moving forward, opportunity costs forestalled by moving forward, time expenditure in moving forward, certainty, etc. Particularly, certainty has a value that is often discounted by those who are not parties to a matter.
Attributing monocausal rationales to the parties in this settlement (i.e. Kap’s case would have failed at ‘trial (or rather, at an informal administrative hearing, as this would not have been a trial) and the NFL paid enough to get the issue to go away) is likely either naive or disingenuous (or perhaps a troubling and disheartening amalgamation thereof).
Great to hear from you, JPN001. Do you believe Kaepernick will play football again?
Hi Razor,
I am not sure if an agreement that prevents him seeking employment in the NFL would be enforceable under the CBA or law. And as I would have to do a fair amount of research to obtain even a modicum of clarity, I will be looking for others to analyze that issue. I am more confident in saying that any agreement not to pursue future collusion grievances would likely not be permissible under the CBA (individuals can not opt out of the protections provided in the CBA). So, if I were the NFL, I would try to obtain and enforce an agreement not to seek future employment since a settlement on this alleged instance of collusion would not prohibit grievances on future instances of alleged collusion under the CBA.
If there is no agreement to refrain from seeking future employment–or such agreement is not enforceable if it exists–as a practical matter, I suspect it is improbable that he plays in the NFL again. On the other hand, I would not be shocked if he did, just surprised.
Same, JPN001. Thanks for your valuable input, and hope you get more time to educate us in the future. Appreciate ya!
I am not sure if this has been posted on here elsewhere, but Sports Illustrated contributor and New Hampshire School of Law professor Michael McCann has an excellent piece on this on SI.com:
https://www.si.com/nfl/2019/02/15/colin-kaepernick-nfl-collusion-grievance-settlement-eric-reid
‘Clear preponderance of evidence.’ -That was proved when Burbank refused to throw out the case, and it continued due to merit.
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‘Kaep will be seen as a hero.’ – Yup, and all the awards prove that, even though some disagree. The Nike contract showed courage and leadership, which pushed the NFL towards a settlement.
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Kaep wins because he ends the dispute and will be allowed to play this upcoming season. Time will tell where he lands.
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‘NFL wins because they get to hide evidence.’- Yup, it was also true with the Concussion controversy. Geragos deposed many owners, and probably had rock solid proof, in writing and testimony.
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The NFL tried another dirty trick, leaking that Kaep would only play for 20 mil. They wanted to establish some idea that Kaep was not interested in playing anymore, or that Kaep was begging to join the scrub league. The AAF was meant for marginal young players, not 31 year old SB QBs who have set playoff rushing records.
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I am glad McCann reiterated what I have been saying.
Just listened to Tom Lund on KNBR, and he thinks Kaep could only accept a back up job, accept 3 mil but be too much of a distraction, so he will never play again. He thinks the NFL bought him off so he would go away.
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He is way off. Kaep told the AAF he wanted 20 mil, because he wants to start. He does not want to be backup. They have deprived him from playing for 2 years. He does not want to sit, and continue not playing. The whole reason he settled was to get this past him, so the blackballing would end. If it continues, then the NFL could be accused of violating the settlement, and certainly void the CBA. The NFL was faced with the biggest threat of voiding the CBA. It would not necessarily end with a work stoppage. That would be like cooking the golden goose. Since the CBA is extremely team friendly, the last thing they want is its termination. Then, the players could get more power, and extended health benefits. Goodell would lose the most.
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if Kaep had kept fighting, he would still be blackballed. He wants to play. He wants to start, and Lund’s assessment of a playoff record setting SB QB is deficient, and colored with unwarranted emotions.
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Kaep will play again, and there are many teams who could benefit from having a QB with such impressive skillsets. Lund thinks Kaep is not a system fit, and Kaep cannot possibly play after being off for 2 years. But Washington took Josh Johnson off the street who had not thrown a ball in 4 years, and won a game. If Josh Johnson can do it, certainly Kaep can do the same thing. Matt Barkley also was off for years, and came back and won a game.
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Teams like Washington and Miami have no QB. AS’s leg and Tannehill’s knee are broken down. Teams like the Jags, Denver, Cincy, NYG, Raiders, TB and Detroit may want to move on from their starter. Teams like Arizona, Buffalo, and Jets have rookie QBs who might not be in the future. Brady, Brees, Rivers and Ben R may want to move towards retirement. Half the league may see change at QB within 1 or 2 years.
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Finally. Lund says something I can agree with. He says that if a QB is good enough, he will play. Kaep has not been hit for 2 years, so he is fresh and raring to go. Kaep, even with the dysfunction surrounding him, still had a 16-4 TD to pick ratio, with a 90.7 QBR and helped the team rush for 6th in the league. Tom Lund thinks Kaep is no good, but I think he will be in for a unpleasant surprise.
Not to restart the Kap conversation, because God…enough…but, this article is interesting as to saying why the settlement was most likely much less than the speculation. https://www.yahoo.com/sports/kaepernick-settlement-may-not-significant-105508097.html
Sigh, his detractors have speculated as little as 10 mil, too.
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Yes, we will know exactly how much after the Packers divulge their financials.
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However, Kaep, before the settlement, stated that the settlement number would have to be lucrative, for him to agree to it. I will believe Kaep, over his detractors.
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I am moving on, and will be interested to see where he lands. Then I will comment more.
“I am moving on, and will be interested to see where he lands.”
We all hope that is a promise.
I am curious, does someone have to sign him? What if nobody really wants him? Will the league force someone to sign him? If so, will the league also set his salary?
Since you asked, I expect he would not have signed a settlement if he knew they were going to continue to blackball him still. I fully expect he will be doing some workouts for teams.
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I commend Kraft for showing leadership by promising to sign him if he did not find a starting job elsewhere in the league. His buddy cannot object too much if that happens.
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Being the heir apparent to Brady may not be ideal, but it might be a good way to earn a ring.
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I am going to wildly speculate that Kaep does not end up in Carolina, because of Newton, so he will sign with the Broncos, since Elway almost signed him. Fangio is very familiar with him, and had to practice against him, so he knows Kaep’s skillsets. Both Flacco and Keenum are inferior to Kaep, so they will trade away Keenum and keep Flacco as a backup. Or they could trade both Keenum and Flacco, and draft Lock as the backup with a future.
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I think it is the league’s best interest to sign him, so the collusion goes away, and Kaep all along, just wants to play. He put out 20 mil, which is the median income of a starter in the league. I fully expect Kaep to sign a prove-it contract, with a promise to renegotiate when he proves his worth. A team and Kaep with his agents, will determine his salary.
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Maybe if you want to stop the conversation on Kaep, you will refrain from asking questions about him. I was perfectly happy speculating about Players, the Combine and mocks. Like a moth to a flame, you cannot help yourself.
The league forcing a team sign a particular player is impermissible under the CBA, as such constitutes collusion. The CBA sets forth the following framework for collusion (Article 17, Section 1( see https://nfllabor.files.wordpress.com/2010/01/collective-bargaining-agreement-2011-2020.pdf p. 119)):
Any agreement between the league and a single team to sign or to not sign a particular player (or class of players) is collusion under Article 17, Section 1 of the CBA. And under Article 17, Section 5, any player or players that can show by clear preponderance of the evidence the existence of the collusion and that such player or players were economically damaged by the collusion could recover such damages:
In the instance of the league colluding with a team or teams to sign a particular player or players, the class of players that might be able to show economic damages is possibly quite large. Such a class would consist of any player cut from a roster to make room for a player signed under such circumstances, other free agents at the same position as the player signed, other free agents who had actively negotiated with the team but were not signed, and possibly all active free agents at the time the collusive transaction was completed. Now not all of members of this class would be successful in the grievance process, of course, given that the presence and scope of lost opportunity damages would be difficult to determine in such a situation, even in the face of unambiguous collusion, but some might be successful (such as a player cut to open up the roster spot or other free agent players at the same position). Further, the sheer volume of possible grievances, even if most would not be successful, would constitute a significant economic cost for the league as all would have to be adjudicated, including some that would likely end up being appealed to the court system. The league’s potential legal fees under such a scenario are staggering even if none of the players won a grievance.
Additionally, such a willful violation of the CBA might invalidate the CBA (or at least Article 17) and allow a class action lawsuit outside the CBA’s grievance process. This would be disastrous for the league and the teams, both with respect to the lawsuit and with respect to the league’s/teams’ relationship with labor. In such a lawsuit, collusion would only need to be shown by a preponderance of the evidence, and any damages that result would likely flow from the very act of collusion itself, not specific damages for individual players. In such a class action, all active NFL players (whether signed or not) at the time of the collusive transaction would likely be members of the class. Further, if the CBA were invalidated, the league and teams could face a possible costly work stoppage, and the strength of the NFLPA’s bargaining position for the next CBA would be significantly enhanced.
So, the short answer is no, the NFL likley will not force a team to sign Kaepernick as the potential consequences would by far outweigh any consequences of Kaepernick filing future collusion grievances. Of course, that presumes that league and team leaders will act rationally, which might be an erroneous presumption on my part.
?Thanks for putting in the time to clarify the legalities of the situation as it is currently constructed.
‘Any agreement between the league and a team to sign, OR NOT TO SIGN a particular player is collusion…’ .
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However, a team owner can ‘privately and voluntarily’ promise to sign a player without any league or presidential interference or participation. It would just be a private, man on man agreement, which happens all the time. The league would not need to be involved at all. This might be what happened in the case of Kaep, so he would accept a settlement agreement.
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The fact that the league paid Kaep 70 mil, shows explicitly that there were financial damages involved.
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The bottom line is- the league cannot continue to blackball Kaep, or they will be guilty of collusion, which may void the CBA.
The other cheek is – Kaepernick cannot continue to blackmail the NFL.
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Sebnynah wrote:
“‘Any agreement between the league and a team to sign, OR NOT TO SIGN a particular player is collusion…’ .”
The comma you added is incorrect. The coordinating conjunction or here joins two phrases (in this case, periphrastic infinitives), so there is no need to insert a comma before the conjunction (as one would if the conjunction were joining two independent clauses). Now, some writers might prefer to set off “or to not sign” with commas before and after to indicate the phrase contains additional information rather than necessary information in context, but I did not do so as I do not believe the “or to not sign” is non-necessary information as presented.
As for the split infinitive issue, I do not subscribe to Bishop Robert Lowth’s 18th Century prohibition against splitting infinitives, as such was an imposition of Latin morphology (Latin infinitives can not be split as they are comprised of the verb root pus the infinitive suffix) onto English grammar (English infinitives are periphrastic). As with many of Lowth’s other Latin-based and formal logic-based English grammar prescriptions, the split infinitive ‘rule’ is neither historically nor linguistically motivated.
Oh, your substantive points are poorly reasoned nonsense as well, but I thought the readers of the blog would need no help in recognizing that.
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Sebbers, I think you just got out verbosed.
Maybe not, Razor. “can not” above in “Latin infinitives can not be split…” should be “cannot”. I best be prepared for another correction, and one to which I have no defense. ;)
Maybe I put in the comma, because I capped the next phrase, to draw emphasis to it. You could say that I did not copy exactly your writing, but was highlighting salient areas.
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However, to stand before your correction if fine with me. I will take your linguistic slings and arrows, grin, and come back for more, because Kaep settled, and your other legal scholar said it was Kinda (sic) a big deal, and Kaep will some how, be able to play, again.
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We both do not know the exact terms of the deal, so it is just speculation on both of our parts. I may be wrong, but I hope I am right.
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I find myself really enjoying this exchange.
I appreciate the opportunity to learn more about the CBA, not to mention the grammatical rules that remind me how much I’ve forgotten over the years (or perhaps never really learned properly at all)
My only regret is not having any popcorn at the moment…
hoping my comma was properly placed.
‘…….would need no help…’
10,000 reps already
I stand corrected, but defend my premise.
You go ahead and stand with pride young man, and defend your premise!?
Burned like the hack you are. No one ever said he got that much and he didn’t.
FAKE NEWS
This is a good comment.
The idea that they settled because they “knew they were going to lose” is not necessarily correct. When large companies settle, it is often even when they expect they would win with relative ease. However, the mere act of going through a public trial, where many accusations are leveled against your brand, ESPECIALLY when the claim is based on perceived racial bias, or racial issues, does harm to the brand and the perception of that brand, even when they would end up winning.
So the NFL likely, correctly, calculated that the 80 million or whatever they paid, would be a pittance in order to spare the brand from such a media spectacle. The NFL knows that most of the left-leaning media, is going to be heavily in favor of Kaepernick, and will thus, cover it in a way that harms the NFL to the maximum amount.
To me this just looks like a prudent move. 80m really is nothing to the NFL, and saves them a ton of grief. It does not, however, say that Kaepernick was necessarily correct.